Conspiracy! The Show 346: Banned Media Report: The Spook Who Sat By the Door

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I.
Hey everybody, welcome to

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Conspiracy the Show.
I’m your host Adam Todd Brown

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joining me as guest Co host this
week.

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John Lewis is here.
How’s it going, man?

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About as good as it can in
America.

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But what up though?
Everybody from Detroit.

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Yeah, it’s interesting time to
be alive, that’s for sure.

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New York kind of gave us a
little bit of hope, I see.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that.
I mean, depending on what side

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of the aisle you’re on, there
are also so many posts out there

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where people are like New York
went through 911 and now we just

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voted for a terrorist.
It’s like Jesus Christ.

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They’re not even trying to be
subtle with the fucking racism.

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No black people.
They try and use dog whistles.

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They like that brown.
Some bitch is going to get

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Sharia law and shit.
Like what?

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Jesus man, they went back to
2002 racism.

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Just immediately He’s not even
elected yet.

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God damn, calm down.
Hey, racism makes a good segue

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into what we’re talking about
this week.

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We are talking about a movie
slash book called The Spook Who

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Sat by the Door.
Highly inflammatory title right

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off the bat because a lot of
meanings to the word spook

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racial slur, but also a word
used to describe spies all the

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time.
As far as the nickname is

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actually sound Rachel slur side,
that sounds pretty pretty bad

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ass.
Like hey man, come on, the

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Spooks are looking.
The Spooks are looking for us.

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We got to keep it quick.
I like that, sounds a lot better

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than Gumshoe.
Yeah, or pig.

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Also, yeah, pig pig cool, but I
don’t know the spook, just it

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just got some like a nice ring
to it.

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Yeah, and apparently it’s
because spies, like, move like

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ghosts.
You don’t.

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See them?
That’s what the spy version.

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I don’t know where the racial
slur came from.

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I don’t know, I was thinking, I
was just thinking about this,

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but man, white people that was
really on that shit like 70

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years ago.
It was so many good ones coming

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out.
They haven’t made any good

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racial slurs in like 50 years.
Yeah, we got to get back on

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that.
I mean, there aren’t enough good

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ones for white people.
There’s none that hurt like

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cracker.
I don’t give a shit, Honky, I

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don’t care.
Like I know there was a rap

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group in the 90s called X Clan
that called white people cave

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dwellers and I’ve always liked
that.

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That’s just too many syllables
though.

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That shit don’t roll off the
tongue.

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That’s true.
That’s a good point.

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We’ll figure it out by the end
of this pod.

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We’ll have a new racial slur for
white people.

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Don’t worry.
Well, I don’t know, just I feel

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like they just kind of stopped
with everyone.

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Like, oh man, I don’t even know
if it’s related, but I was, I

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can only do jokes like this on
Twitter because all my Latino

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friends know we joke around all
the time.

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So it was this picture from like
probably 1950s.

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It was some Jim Crow era.
And the sign, I made the joke

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that the sign just kind of got
longer with how much people she

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was fed up with.
So the first, the sign starts

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off with no *** no Mexican, no
Puerto Ricans and no dogs.

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So I was like, it’s, I mean, to
be so racist.

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I was surprised that she
distinguished between Mexicans

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and Puerto Ricans back then.
Yeah, that’s a tricky

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distinction to make just on
site, too.

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Exactly.
Also, there’s so many other

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countries in South America and
Central America.

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All those people are fine.
It’s just Mexicans and Puerto

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Ricans.
What if a Venezuelan rolls up?

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You’re going to be like, oh,
you’re clearly from Venezuela,

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Sir, please.
In the 50s, I guess, yeah, I

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guess he was either a Mexican or
a Puerto Rican.

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Also apparently, in my mind,
apparently a Puerto Rican with a

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dog got in that restaurant and
fucked it up for everybody

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because they were added at the
last at the end.

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But.
Yeah, yeah, adding dogs to the

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list too.
God damn.

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So a Brazilian man with a cat
can come to your establishment

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with no problem.
All right, That makes sense.

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So yeah, this is a 1973 movie.
We’ll link to the movie, the DVD

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commentary and a audio book
that’s on YouTube.

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You can also read the book.
I read the book and watch the

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movie.
Turned out that was kind of

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unnecessary.
The book is.

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Well, I don’t know.
I think actually the the book

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makes the movie make more sense
because they do gloss up.

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Like, there’s a lot of montages
of like, training scenes and

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things, and the book goes into
more detail there and it makes

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what’s happening there make a
little bit more sense.

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Which is this guy?
It is a CIA agent who ends up

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using his CIA training against
America.

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And I just checked, it’s still a
we did a live watch along a few

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months ago on my YouTube
channel.

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So the link is still up.
I can send you the link if you

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want to put that too.
But yeah, the movie is really

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good.
So I’ll also, I’ll send you the

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link if you want to put it in
the show notes.

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So I actually bought this book
because I thought it was going

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to be about more modern movies.
I mentioned it a few times here.

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It’s called Revolution at 35mm.
So The thing is that the movie

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is interesting, but it’s a
movie.

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Like people say this all the
time, but the movie isn’t like

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any genre we have.
It’s an actual political, it’s

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revolutionary political movie,
which is why it has the history

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it does.
And we talked about this, if

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some of y’all know my different
comrades on YouTube like FT

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Signifier, Little Bill, it’s
like a movie, like the Black

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Panther movie.
It has revolutionary themes, but

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at the end of the day, it’s also
a fucking Disney movie that has

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to be profitable.
So as much as we love that

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movie, one of the criticisms it
gets from black people is at the

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end, it kind of gives the point
they’re like working with the

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CIA is good and you know, the
message and gets kind of wonky,

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even though I love the film, but
you know what I’m saying, the

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messaging, it still has to push
that propaganda.

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And at the end of the day, it’s
a it’s a tool of capitalism.

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This is a movie that’s pure
revolutionary political art.

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And that’s why the way it ends
and everything it does.

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Yeah, this movie very famously
was in theaters for, I think,

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less than a week.
Yeah, depending on who you ask,

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anywhere from like two days to
maybe a week or 9 days.

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And it literally, it’s still
unofficial who pulled it, but

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the speculation is it was pulled
by the federal government.

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That would not surprise me at
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They were definitely getting
into censorship around this

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time.
This is also right around the

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same time the government for the
first time ever took a author to

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court to try and censor a book
that was coming out.

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It was.
We did a couple episodes about

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it was called The CIA in the
Cult of Intelligence, and a

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former CIA agent just turned
whistleblower and wrote this

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book, and the government
actually got a lot of it

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censored, but not all of it.
And it’s a pretty interesting

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read.
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I can’t imagine who else would
have pulled this movie from

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theaters if not the government.
And like I said, so if y’all

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read the chapter on this book,
it’s only about maybe 9 pages.

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It’s about a whole bunch of
different political books.

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But so the interesting thing is
when the timeline of this book,

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of this movie coming out, it’s
it happens during what’s called

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the New Hollywood movement,
where Hollywood is like, yeah, I

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mean, well, America is like, so,
yeah.

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I mean, it is kind of good to
suppress free speech, but also

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capitalism is good.
So they start letting these

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hippies and stuff make movies
and that’s where we start to get

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joints like Jaws.
This comes out a year after The

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Godfather, which you hear it
came out in 1972.

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You like that’s a long time ago.
But also it came out a year

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after The Godfather, arguably
one of the greatest movies of

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all time and what kicked off the
New Hollywood movement.

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And also it’s considered
blaxploitation.

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But that whole thing I go into,
I go into it more in my video

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that I did on this book.
So the idea of black

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exploitation, it’s interesting.
Before I read the book, it was a

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it was an idea I had.
So like with black art in

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America, it’s always this thing
where our stuff has to have a

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label.
So like when you think back to

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the N.W.A, when NW came out,
nobody N.W.A said we’re making

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gangster rap.
They said we’re making rap music

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about our life, and gangster rap
is what the industry put on it.

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And it’s similar to
Blaxploitation.

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When black people were making
movies like Shaft or like Foxy

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Brown and stuff like that, they
weren’t saying we’re making

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blaxploitation, they were saying
like we’re making black films.

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So that label actually came, but
that label was created in 1972,

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ironically, by the N double ACP.
But the Beverly Hills branch,

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which I already hear it is,
yeah, it’s N double ACP, but

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it’s the fucking Beverly Hills
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How are they tapped in with
what’s going on in black

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culture?
So the off the person that wrote

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that chapter, he’s like, yeah,
we heard it, but nobody in the

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community was using it.
We didn’t start using that term

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blaxploitation until years
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We just called them movies.
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And that was something I was
curious about because in reading

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more about this movie, I did see
it called Blaxploitation a lot.

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And it feels like it doesn’t fit
with that genre to me.

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Like I associate that with a
very specific type of black film

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and a very specific time period,
which to me is like even later

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than 7273.
You see it now, it’s it.

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Like I said, it’s a thing with
black art.

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It’s kind of like how Shibuzzi,
they trying the hardest to

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consider Shibuzzi and Beyoncé
country albums hip hop even

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though they clearly aren’t.
But because it’s black people

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with a, you know, a specific
type of beat, they’re like, that

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ain’t country, that’s hip hop.
That was going on with

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Blaxploitation.
Yeah, I think you kind of saw it

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in the 90s too, where at one
point everything that had black

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people in it got called a hood
movie.

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Yeah.
And it’s like, no, those were

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also very specific types of
movies that weren’t every

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fucking black movie.
Yeah, like more than three black

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folks.
It was a hood movie.

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Yeah.
The making of this movie could

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be a series of its own.
So it was rumors.

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The last update was like it’s
2022.

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That Lee Daniels, I think the
guy that made he made Green

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Booker, he made a bunch of shit
where with the white savior

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trope in it, which it would have
been the worst idea.

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He was supposed to reboot this,
which I highly disagree with.

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But the only way I could see
this properly getting remade

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into a modern thing is have you
seen the movie Dolomite is My

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Name Eddie Murphy?
That was amazing.

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The only way I could see them
properly doing this and telling

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it.
Because if you try to remake

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this as a movie, especially in
modern days, fucking Secret

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Service is going to kick your
door down as y’all will see once

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we get into it.
But if they could do it

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something like Dolomite is My
name and go into detail about

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how hard it was to make this
movie it’ll be an amazing story.

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Because they pretty much tricked
a bunch of funders into thinking

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that they were making another
Blattro Station movie and they

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just kind of showed them
different scenes with shootouts

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and stuff.
By the time they seen the real

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movie, they like, holy fuck, you
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war.
So it’s, it’s really

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interesting, like the story of
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It was like, it’s arguably as
interesting as the actual movie.

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Yeah, I also read that even
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in Chicago, they weren’t allowed
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because Mayor Richard Daley,
then Mayor Richard Daley would

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not allow for the permits
because of the racial themes in

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the movie.
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A lot of the stuff you see that
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filmmaking, where if you see an
L train going this way, they

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were on the other one going the
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So yeah, you’re right, that
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about the making of this movie
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And before we get into it, some
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about So.
What inspired the movie is the

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original writer I got to look
into.

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I should have wrote his name
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Sam Greenlee.
He was in the military on leave

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in 1965 back in Chicago.
So this is 6 months after

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Malcolm X died.
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after Malcolm X died, the Watts
riots kicked off and he’s seen

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it on TV and that’s what
inspired him to start writing

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this book.
And he’s like, man, that shit is

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crazy.
They’re killing all of the black

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revolutionary leaders.
Like what if we did something

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and got organized?
So that’s what starts him to

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write this book and just to get
the even book published.

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He had nobody in America was
trying to touch it ’cause this

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is only like a couple decades
after the was it called the Red

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Scare where they were basically
like, call it, they were like

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making a list of people that
wrote anything that was

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considered communist.
Yeah, this was not long after

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that.
Yeah, so he has to go to Europe.

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Some white guy in Europe helps
him publish it.

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And then I think that one of the
later publishers is an American

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book.
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much it.
This book is really interesting.

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And people that have seen the
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it.
It’s similar things.

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It’s been called kind of a RIP
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more past than what Uptight did.
Yeah, I don’t know if I’ve seen

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that.
All right, and now with the

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preamble, we could probably get
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Yeah.
One more thing, though, that

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this book and movie touches on.
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it deals with something that
became a big issue in the 90s

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and 2000s, which is CIA
blowback, which is that thing

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where the CIA would train people
to do revolution type shit.

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And then later on the people
they train would be like, all

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right, well, thank you for
showing us how to do that.

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We’re going to use it against
you now.

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That’s pretty much what happened
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positive way as opposed because
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supporting Afghanistan in the
80s war with the Soviet Union.

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But this is a similar thing.
And for a long time this was

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only available on bootleg
videos.

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Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah, in 2004, an actor named

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Tim Reed found a negative of the
film stored in a vault under a

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different name and released it
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And yes, people my age or older,
that is the same Tim Reed who

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played Venus Flytrap on WKRP in
Cincinnati in the 70s, which is

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wow, such a good TV show.
Fucking classic.

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And also, this movie was added
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the Library Congress in 2012.
So important stuff.

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All right, let’s talk about the
movie before we like get into

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the plot in the details.
Do you think this is a good

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movie, Like an entertaining
movie?

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I actually did find it highly
watchable.

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Yeah, I found entertaining just
because I like watching older

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movies.
I just enjoy the pacing of them.

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Like the pacing of them is it’s
like something you don’t see

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nowadays.
Like scenes and stuff are just

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allowed to breathe in a way that
they aren’t, you know, there are

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scenes of dialogue and things
going slow and it feels more

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real in a way.
If this was made modern, it

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would have a lot more sound and
cuts and stuff.

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Just it’s almost in the
minimalistic, almost like an

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artsy way.
It kind of might maybe remind

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you of like if they made a 24
movies decades ago.

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Yeah, and it, I don’t remember
the name, the name of the

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editor, but the person who
edited this film went on to do

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like a bunch of fucking classic.
Oh, yeah, yeah, See, it’s all in

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the book.
I wrote child in my notes after

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work.
But yeah, he he basically he

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pretty much did it for free.
It was another black editor.

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It was like so many people that
donated to this movie, like he

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had to get, he got money
donations from just random black

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real estate ages and stuff like
this.

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Because when they read the book,
they like this shit needs to get

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made.
They’re like even though it’s

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fiction.
So he kind of, it was kind of a

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thing that was put together by
the community, even though they

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had to hustle up what they could
by tricking the studios.

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But probably maybe about 1/3 of
it came from just like him,

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crowdfunding from independent
black people.

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Also, Herbie Hancock does the
music in this movie.

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He and Sam Greenlee grew up in
the same neighborhood in

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Chicago.
So it seems like Herbie Hancock

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did this kind of as a, you know,
favor.

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But so the music in this fucking
rips.

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Not only that, he went to
elementary school with the

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author Van Peoples, and he went
to high school with the guy who

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wrote A Raisin in the Sun.
Damn.

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Yeah, that is not accomplished.
Goddamn high school.

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So the movie starts with there’s
a politician meeting with some

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of his advisors, and they’re
talking about this upcoming

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election.
And he finds out he’s not doing

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that well with black voters.
And so they’re like, well, how

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can we get more votes from the
black community?

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And somehow this guy’s wife
immediately lands on the idea

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of, Oh, well, the CIA doesn’t
have any black agents, we can

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just shame them for that and get
them to hire black agents, and

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that will win you the black
vote.

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Which, interesting plan, but
they go for it.

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And so then we cut to a montage
of presumably the CIA training

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or going through recruits.
It’s just a bunch of black dudes

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in their underwear getting
weighed.

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And that I think we’re meant to
take as okay, well now the CIA

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is trying to find black agents
and they end up narrowing it

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down to a group of 10, which
that’s all exactly as it happens

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in the book.
I like all of the old timey spy

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shit we see in this movie.
Like there’s a scene early on

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where the 10 recruits they end
up picking are all talking after

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the CIA agents have left the
room.

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And then we just see those other
agents watching them talking on

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this like old timey 70s TVI feel
like they didn’t actually have

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that back then.
Maybe they did, but.

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I don’t know.
And also small detail that might

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have went unnoticed.
So the guy that actually does

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when it he’s one of the only not
the only one of the only one.

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He is the only one that doesn’t
come from like prestigious

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background.
All of these other black guys,

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they’re like connected.
They went to Ivy League.

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Half of them like know each
other from I think it’s like

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Harvard.
I forget what schools, so that’s

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also putting there just to show
that he isn’t like them.

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He’s like actually from the city
and tapped in with the

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community.
Yeah, I feel like that part came

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across better in the book, but I
feel like I just sort of knew

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that from reading the book.
But they do touch on it a little

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bit in the movie.
But he’s.

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Yeah, he’s kind of the outcast
in the group.

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There’s a scene early on where
they all want to go out and

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party, and he’s like, now I’m
going to go fuck a sex worker at

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this bar down the street.
He is supportive of the sex

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worker community.
And he being Dan Freeman, he is

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the central character in this.
He ends up being the only CIA

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agent who actually comes out of
this group of 10, because

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they’re clearly not trying to
have black CIA agents.

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They’re trying to have a
figurehead that they can point

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to and go see, we’re diverse.
Well, I believe the original

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plan they said was to not have
anyone so they could be like,

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we’ll see.
We tried and nobody passed.

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Yeah, there’s one scene in
particular when he’s about to

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quit the CIA where he has a
conversation with his boss at

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the CIA, this guy they just
called the general.

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And that conversation, at one
point, he’s like calling him a

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credit to his race and saying
all this shit that you can tell

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he thinks is like a compliment,
but it’s not.

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And in the, you don’t see it as
much in the movie, but in the

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book, Dan Freeman is fucking
irate during that conversation

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because this guy’s like, well,
you’ll admit there’s like a

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cultural gap that black people
just haven’t caught up to white

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people.
And Dan Freeman just has to sit

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there and kind of take it.
And be like, I’m going to burn

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this fucking city down someday.
And so there’s a montage of

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everyone learning spy shit,
blowing shit up, jumping out of

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planes.
I do appreciate that this movie

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doesn’t do what a lot of movies
from its era do where there’s

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this like 20 to 30 minute intro
before it feels like the movie

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actually starts.
This movie gets into what it’s

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about right away.
I don’t know if you’ve ever seen

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Marathon Man, but I swear the
1st 20 minutes of that movie are

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just Dustin Hoffman jogging
through a park.

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No, I never even heard of it.
I mean, but also they kind of

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had to get to the point they
were working.

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They barely got this shit made.
Finished.

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Yeah, budget they had.
So we see Dan.

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He goes and meets with.
It’s kind of confusing.

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There’s two different women he’s
meeting with constantly.

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One of them is a woman named Joy
who ends up marrying someone

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else, but they keep their
relationship going.

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And then there’s the sex worker
he meets with early on.

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And I bring that up mostly just
to point out that in every 70s

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movie where there’s a motel
room, there’s also a flashing

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light outside.
Every fucking one.

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Every motel room there is a red
light flashing.

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Just a 70s trope.
You see it here too.

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I like the judo scene with his
he.

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Letting the guy win at first.
Yeah, that scene plays out

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almost exactly like it does in
the book, like even down to the

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dialogue from the instructor.
His instructor’s name is

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Calhoun.
And he tells him he doesn’t like

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him, he doesn’t think his kind
belongs, and that they’re going

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to fight until Freeman agrees to
quit.

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And then that fight is just very
funny to watch because they’re

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doing judo.
So it’s just him getting thrown

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to the fucking grass.
Is that all Judo is I?

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Don’t think so.
I don’t.

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I don’t think that shit’s real.
I feel like you can only do judo

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with another person that’s ready
to do judo.

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Yeah, it seems like it doesn’t
have a ton of practical

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applications.
Have you seen, I don’t know if

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you’ve seen Once Upon a Time in
Hollywood, but there’s a scene

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that Bruce Lee’s family really
fucking hated where Bruce Lee is

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fighting this stunt, this
Hollywood stuntman, and he’s

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doing all his like, karate shit.
And then he charges at this guy

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and the guy just grabs him and
throws him into a fucking

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Cadillac, like into the side of
a Cadillac.

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And it’s like this guy’s not
doing karate.

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He’s not playing by your rules.
He’s just throwing you into a

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car.
No, I need to watch that movie

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though I heard it was good.
Yeah, it’s a good movie.

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The ending is very satisfying.
And that scene is fucking great

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because, yeah, like when you’re
fighting it.

432
00:23:00,520 –> 00:23:05,840
And that is something that they
he talks about in the book where

433
00:23:05,920 –> 00:23:09,120
he’s like, all right, so we’re
just fighting by judo rules

434
00:23:09,360 –> 00:23:11,680
because like, I’m like a former
fucking athlete.

435
00:23:11,680 –> 00:23:15,880
You’re an old ass white man.
Like maybe if you were going to

436
00:23:15,880 –> 00:23:18,560
beat me in the leg with a baton
or something, you could win

437
00:23:18,560 –> 00:23:21,080
this.
But I’m going to try my best to

438
00:23:21,080 –> 00:23:27,000
not kill you in this moment.
And he ends up just choking his

439
00:23:27,000 –> 00:23:30,440
instructor out on the ground.
It’s a very satisfying scene.

440
00:23:30,480 –> 00:23:33,440
And so he becomes the first
black CIA agent.

441
00:23:33,520 –> 00:23:37,720
And they put him in a highly
prestigious role in the

442
00:23:37,720 –> 00:23:40,160
reproduction center.
As a tour guide.

443
00:23:41,040 –> 00:23:45,240
Yeah, he is making copies and
giving tours of the CIA

444
00:23:45,440 –> 00:23:50,000
facilities in the book, that
white secretary who asks if he’s

445
00:23:50,000 –> 00:23:53,960
up for giving that tour, she is
trying to not so much in the

446
00:23:53,960 –> 00:23:55,440
movie.
And then they just sort of,

447
00:23:55,520 –> 00:24:00,200
they’re sort of a hard cut where
it’s five years later and he’s

448
00:24:00,200 –> 00:24:03,160
still working at the CIA and
still working in the

449
00:24:03,160 –> 00:24:06,840
reproduction center, which
reproduction center is exactly

450
00:24:06,840 –> 00:24:10,240
what it sounds like.
He’s just making copies of other

451
00:24:10,240 –> 00:24:13,440
people’s reports and shit.
Which is most likely how this

452
00:24:13,440 –> 00:24:15,040
would have played out in real
life also.

453
00:24:15,280 –> 00:24:20,280
Oh, 100%.
And that is also in part where

454
00:24:20,280 –> 00:24:25,560
the movie gets its title because
he gives this tour and the whole

455
00:24:25,560 –> 00:24:29,120
point, he’s given this tour for
these senators so they can see,

456
00:24:29,120 –> 00:24:31,320
oh, well, you’ve hired a black
CIA agent.

457
00:24:31,400 –> 00:24:34,800
I guess you’re more diverse and
desegregated now.

458
00:24:34,920 –> 00:24:38,520
And one of them mentioned
something about him being part

459
00:24:38,520 –> 00:24:41,960
of this general guy’s personal
staff.

460
00:24:42,040 –> 00:24:43,920
And the guy’s like, yeah, that
is a good idea.

461
00:24:44,120 –> 00:24:48,760
We’ll make him part of my own
staff, and then his aide is

462
00:24:48,760 –> 00:24:50,720
like, oh, yeah.
And we’ll put them right by the

463
00:24:50,720 –> 00:24:53,760
front door.
So when people come in, they’ll

464
00:24:53,760 –> 00:24:56,920
see right away, oh, Yep, there’s
a black CIA agent.

465
00:24:57,000 –> 00:24:59,320
So we are very racially diverse
here.

466
00:24:59,400 –> 00:25:04,600
That was apparently a thing in
the early days of affirmative

467
00:25:04,600 –> 00:25:08,360
action, where a company would
just hire their first black

468
00:25:08,360 –> 00:25:10,080
person and put them right up
front.

469
00:25:10,680 –> 00:25:12,880
So we got one.
Yep, people can walk in and go

470
00:25:12,880 –> 00:25:15,560
oh shit this place is
progressive.

471
00:25:15,680 –> 00:25:19,680
Wow, so got to five years later,
he’s still working at the CIA.

472
00:25:20,000 –> 00:25:23,960
He goes to the general, his
boss, and this is where they

473
00:25:23,960 –> 00:25:27,320
have one of the most racist
chats of all time.

474
00:25:27,320 –> 00:25:29,480
But the general doesn’t think
he’s being racist.

475
00:25:29,480 –> 00:25:34,200
He thinks he’s just talking
science and everyday life, but

476
00:25:34,240 –> 00:25:38,920
he’s being super fucking racist.
And Freeman quits to go work for

477
00:25:38,920 –> 00:25:42,880
a social organization in Chicago
where he’s from.

478
00:25:42,960 –> 00:25:46,240
And again, you don’t.
In the book, they play it up

479
00:25:46,240 –> 00:25:51,000
more the like how he’s feeling
about this conversation he’s

480
00:25:51,000 –> 00:25:54,080
having in a way that I don’t
know that you could really in a

481
00:25:54,080 –> 00:25:56,080
movie.
Like, you just sort of have to

482
00:25:56,080 –> 00:26:00,920
assume he’s mad about this shit.
And so he moves back to Chicago

483
00:26:01,400 –> 00:26:04,720
and he goes to this pool hall to
meet with the Cobras.

484
00:26:04,840 –> 00:26:07,640
Well, when he leaves, they’re
like the governor’s life.

485
00:26:07,640 –> 00:26:10,000
Put some, put a tail on him.
We need to see what that colored

486
00:26:10,000 –> 00:26:12,280
guy’s up to.
Yeah, yeah, if he’s going

487
00:26:12,280 –> 00:26:14,800
because he’s like, yeah, I’m
going to go back to Chicago and

488
00:26:14,800 –> 00:26:17,240
help my people.
And, you know, the CIA was like,

489
00:26:17,600 –> 00:26:20,240
what?
No, don’t, don’t do that.

490
00:26:20,320 –> 00:26:23,000
That is the opposite of what we
hired you for.

491
00:26:23,080 –> 00:26:26,280
But yeah, he goes back and
they’re tailing him.

492
00:26:26,280 –> 00:26:31,080
They also, there’s a scene where
they question this sex worker he

493
00:26:31,080 –> 00:26:35,960
met up with at the hotel and
they’re trying to get all sorts

494
00:26:35,960 –> 00:26:39,000
of information out of her.
Now that I think about it, the

495
00:26:39,000 –> 00:26:41,760
white people look a lot better
in this movie than they do in

496
00:26:41,760 –> 00:26:45,920
the book because in the book
that agent who’s interrogating

497
00:26:45,920 –> 00:26:49,800
her also pays her for sex.
And I don’t think that happens

498
00:26:50,080 –> 00:26:51,600
in the movie.
Yeah, I don’t recall that

499
00:26:51,600 –> 00:26:56,800
happening in the movie.
And so his plan is basically to

500
00:26:56,920 –> 00:27:01,200
take the street gang called the
Cobras and train them to be

501
00:27:01,600 –> 00:27:04,360
militants.
The way he keeps describing it

502
00:27:04,360 –> 00:27:09,200
is just messing with Whitey.
That’s really all the plan is.

503
00:27:09,200 –> 00:27:11,600
There’s no.
And then here’s what happens at

504
00:27:11,600 –> 00:27:13,960
the end.
It’s just let’s fuck things up,

505
00:27:14,120 –> 00:27:17,080
spread the police too thin to
where they’re either going to

506
00:27:17,080 –> 00:27:20,880
have to keep policing the world
or keep policing us the way they

507
00:27:20,880 –> 00:27:23,360
do, and something we’ll have to
give.

508
00:27:23,520 –> 00:27:26,480
Yeah, because in the movie they
asked some like, what’s his

509
00:27:26,480 –> 00:27:27,000
goal?
His.

510
00:27:27,480 –> 00:27:30,760
I think he basically just says
like freedom for black people or

511
00:27:30,760 –> 00:27:33,320
something like that.
So kind of the goal is we’ll

512
00:27:33,320 –> 00:27:36,000
just fuck shit up until they
have to give us equality.

513
00:27:36,320 –> 00:27:40,000
Because like it’s a scene in the
movie where I think they may be

514
00:27:40,000 –> 00:27:42,480
doing a general strike or
something with the garbage

515
00:27:42,480 –> 00:27:44,040
collectors.
And that basically shuts the

516
00:27:44,040 –> 00:27:48,640
whole city now because you can
only function so far so long as

517
00:27:48,640 –> 00:27:50,720
a city without the garbage man
collected.

518
00:27:50,720 –> 00:27:53,920
And you know, it’s back in the
70s, so the jobs like that, they

519
00:27:53,920 –> 00:27:57,600
were only jobs like that were
hiring was mostly black people

520
00:27:57,600 –> 00:28:00,040
to collect garbage and shit and
things like that.

521
00:28:00,040 –> 00:28:02,440
They start to see that they can
choke the city out.

522
00:28:02,560 –> 00:28:06,120
And also it’s a powerful scene
in the movie where they start

523
00:28:06,120 –> 00:28:09,000
like just stealing shit and
sabotaging shit.

524
00:28:09,000 –> 00:28:13,480
And he’s like a black man, a
quiet black man with a mop in

525
00:28:13,480 –> 00:28:16,400
the bucket can get pretty much
anywhere in America because

526
00:28:16,400 –> 00:28:18,040
like, they just walk.
They just straight up walking in

527
00:28:18,040 –> 00:28:20,440
the offices because white people
are just so used to black people

528
00:28:20,440 –> 00:28:23,040
having mops and buckets.
They’re like straight up walking

529
00:28:23,040 –> 00:28:24,880
in the mayor’s office and
stealing shit.

530
00:28:25,200 –> 00:28:27,640
Yeah, that’s the thing.
This movie is also a little bit

531
00:28:27,640 –> 00:28:31,640
of a comedy in some spots.
Yeah, it has some funny things.

532
00:28:31,960 –> 00:28:34,920
Yeah, it’s definitely talking
about serious stuff, but they’re

533
00:28:35,000 –> 00:28:38,640
like, that scene is great when
because the there is literally a

534
00:28:38,640 –> 00:28:41,760
dude sitting at his desk and
because this guy’s carrying a

535
00:28:41,760 –> 00:28:45,080
mop and bucket, he’s paying no
attention, so he’s just stealing

536
00:28:45,080 –> 00:28:47,800
shit right off his desk.
Very fun.

537
00:28:47,880 –> 00:28:54,120
And so, yeah, the goal is to
just kind of fuck shit up and to

538
00:28:54,120 –> 00:28:58,240
do it using like basically
taking these gangs that already

539
00:28:58,240 –> 00:29:01,680
have an organizational structure
in place.

540
00:29:01,680 –> 00:29:04,160
Because this, I don’t know if
they touch it on in the movie,

541
00:29:04,160 –> 00:29:09,040
but in the book he talks about
how hard it is to just build

542
00:29:09,040 –> 00:29:12,400
that structure before you’re
even like doing anything with

543
00:29:12,400 –> 00:29:14,160
it.
That part takes years.

544
00:29:14,240 –> 00:29:18,560
So starting with gangs that have
already built that kind of

545
00:29:18,560 –> 00:29:21,560
hierarchy and structure makes
sense because then you just

546
00:29:21,600 –> 00:29:23,760
you’re just training them to do
extra shit.

547
00:29:23,800 –> 00:29:30,040
And by doing that he’s able to
export it to other cities and

548
00:29:30,040 –> 00:29:33,520
send people to.
The plan is basically to go to

549
00:29:33,520 –> 00:29:37,080
the 10 biggest cities in America
and do the same thing.

550
00:29:37,080 –> 00:29:42,960
Just train these already
existing groups to be militant

551
00:29:43,040 –> 00:29:48,400
and to cause fucking chaos and
spoiler it works.

552
00:29:48,600 –> 00:29:51,960
And it’s like the thing you seen
on like that was going around

553
00:29:51,960 –> 00:29:55,280
during the LA protests, like
it’s easier to shut down the

554
00:29:55,280 –> 00:29:58,840
protest with 100,000 people than
it is to shut down 100 protests

555
00:29:58,840 –> 00:30:00,680
with 1000 people.
And that’s pretty much their

556
00:30:00,680 –> 00:30:02,400
plan.
Just have a bunch of small

557
00:30:02,400 –> 00:30:06,200
organizations in these different
cities and the way they do it is

558
00:30:06,200 –> 00:30:09,320
like they like, So when we send
you out, you’re going by

559
00:30:09,320 –> 00:30:10,760
yourself.
You might have a couple of

560
00:30:10,760 –> 00:30:13,600
dollars.
You want to have like empty

561
00:30:13,600 –> 00:30:16,920
heroin vials and we might put
tracks on you.

562
00:30:16,920 –> 00:30:20,120
So if police looking at you, you
look like a junkie, they’re not

563
00:30:20,120 –> 00:30:22,200
gonna mind you.
So, you know, just kind of also

564
00:30:22,200 –> 00:30:25,480
planning to the racism of either
not paying attention to black

565
00:30:25,480 –> 00:30:28,560
junkies or black dudes with mop
buckets and shit like that.

566
00:30:28,760 –> 00:30:31,400
So like I said, it’s the reason
this book, this movie got

567
00:30:31,400 –> 00:30:32,760
banned.
It’s like this shit would

568
00:30:32,760 –> 00:30:34,800
actually have worked.
Yeah, kind of.

569
00:30:34,960 –> 00:30:38,960
This almost reminds me.
I’ve never read it, but this

570
00:30:38,960 –> 00:30:41,800
feels like the Turner Diaries
for black people.

571
00:30:41,920 –> 00:30:43,720
Yeah, some somebody mentioned
that in the chat.

572
00:30:43,960 –> 00:30:46,120
We was watching it too.
They said something about that

573
00:30:46,120 –> 00:30:47,800
movie.
Is it a movie or a book?

574
00:30:48,280 –> 00:30:51,520
The Turner Diaries is a book.
It’s also a novel like this.

575
00:30:51,520 –> 00:30:55,640
It’s not based in fact or
anything, but it’s like this for

576
00:30:55,640 –> 00:31:00,120
white supremacists.
It’s that a fictional novel

577
00:31:00,120 –> 00:31:03,640
about all the step, like there’s
actually I think a series of

578
00:31:03,760 –> 00:31:08,280
laid out steps that white people
are supposed to follow to ’cause

579
00:31:08,280 –> 00:31:12,400
this like race war essentially
that of this book assumes white

580
00:31:12,400 –> 00:31:15,160
people will win.
And yeah, The Turner Diaries,

581
00:31:15,160 –> 00:31:17,080
there’s never going to be a
movie about the Turner Diaries

582
00:31:17,080 –> 00:31:19,000
because it’s some highly racist
shit.

583
00:31:19,320 –> 00:31:22,400
So it’s not this book isn’t
similar in that way.

584
00:31:22,840 –> 00:31:27,360
This book we did episode about
the murder of Fred Hampton a

585
00:31:27,360 –> 00:31:31,440
couple weeks ago.
And a lot of what one of the

586
00:31:31,440 –> 00:31:35,480
things he talked about comes up
in this that it’s not, you know,

587
00:31:35,480 –> 00:31:38,400
white people versus black people
versus brown people.

588
00:31:38,440 –> 00:31:42,600
It’s all of those people versus
the people oppressing us.

589
00:31:42,720 –> 00:31:47,560
And they sort of get into that
in this movie also, where

590
00:31:47,640 –> 00:31:51,440
someone’s talking about like the
thing that motivates him is just

591
00:31:51,480 –> 00:31:53,400
hate.
He just hates white people.

592
00:31:53,840 –> 00:31:56,400
Freeman is like that.
That can’t be your motivation.

593
00:31:56,520 –> 00:31:58,840
Pure motivation is just hate.
It’s not going to work.

594
00:31:59,000 –> 00:32:00,760
There has to be something else
to it.

595
00:32:00,760 –> 00:32:02,960
And also, white people aren’t
the problem.

596
00:32:02,960 –> 00:32:06,760
It’s the people oppressing
everyone that is the problem.

597
00:32:06,840 –> 00:32:10,200
And government hates hearing
shit like that for sure.

598
00:32:10,280 –> 00:32:13,760
Yeah, and that scene where the
guy, it’s a white, it’s a white

599
00:32:13,760 –> 00:32:17,320
passing guy who’s who was
telling them, I forget what

600
00:32:17,320 –> 00:32:20,640
starts the argument, but it’s a
guy who was in the crew.

601
00:32:20,920 –> 00:32:24,680
He in real life, he actually was
like he was either by he was

602
00:32:24,680 –> 00:32:26,640
like biracial, he was like he
was part black.

603
00:32:26,640 –> 00:32:29,680
He was like white passing.
He’s telling them like, yeah,

604
00:32:29,680 –> 00:32:32,920
I’m black and I’ll probably get
killed by a cop once they

605
00:32:32,920 –> 00:32:35,360
realize it just cuz I kind of
look white.

606
00:32:35,360 –> 00:32:38,600
But that is sampled by a dead
president on the track called We

607
00:32:38,600 –> 00:32:40,600
Want Freedom.
And I know that because I got a

608
00:32:40,600 –> 00:32:44,360
copyright claim.
YouTube does this thing like

609
00:32:44,960 –> 00:32:47,120
I’ve never fight it just cuz
it’s easy.

610
00:32:47,360 –> 00:32:49,000
I think I may have thought it.
I don’t know.

611
00:32:49,360 –> 00:32:53,360
But so sometimes what happens is
if a scene from a movie or TV

612
00:32:53,360 –> 00:32:56,520
show is used in a song, you’ll
get a copyright claim.

613
00:32:56,640 –> 00:32:59,160
And I don’t know how that works.
I don’t know if the people that

614
00:32:59,160 –> 00:33:01,840
made the song have to clear it
because it happened with me with

615
00:33:01,840 –> 00:33:05,640
a Kendrick.
I use this part of the Martin

616
00:33:05,640 –> 00:33:09,080
clip and Kendrick Lamar sample
that Martin clip off of one of

617
00:33:09,080 –> 00:33:11,240
his mixtapes.
Overly dedicated, I think.

618
00:33:11,480 –> 00:33:14,120
But yeah, that Dead President
song, they be it.

619
00:33:14,120 –> 00:33:18,240
That actually was it’s the guy
that in that role he identified

620
00:33:18,240 –> 00:33:19,480
as black.
He was just mixed.

621
00:33:19,520 –> 00:33:24,040
But so he used they used really
light skinned dudes to rob banks

622
00:33:24,400 –> 00:33:26,920
so that they could fund it with
beers and stuff so that they

623
00:33:26,920 –> 00:33:29,840
won’t be on to so that they’re
also not on to black people

624
00:33:29,840 –> 00:33:32,280
doing it, which is this is
awesome shit that will really

625
00:33:32,280 –> 00:33:34,200
work.
Which is why stuff like This is

626
00:33:34,200 –> 00:33:35,840
why I have Fred Hampton got
killed.

627
00:33:36,280 –> 00:33:38,600
Because like, you can’t have no
fucking rainbow coalition of

628
00:33:38,600 –> 00:33:41,440
people working together.
Yeah, I always tell people, I

629
00:33:41,440 –> 00:33:45,600
don’t know if it’s even still on
Amazon, but for the longest time

630
00:33:45,600 –> 00:33:49,560
on Amazon Prime, there was this
prison interview with Tupac from

631
00:33:49,560 –> 00:33:53,080
right before Suge Knight got him
out and definitely had nothing

632
00:33:53,080 –> 00:33:56,360
to do with having him killed,
where Tupac is talking the exact

633
00:33:56,360 –> 00:34:01,800
same kind of stuff, like we need
to get the street gangs together

634
00:34:01,920 –> 00:34:06,080
and organize and do positive
shit.

635
00:34:06,080 –> 00:34:10,199
And watching that interview, I
remember just being like, Oh

636
00:34:10,199 –> 00:34:12,840
yeah, I think the government
killed Tupac, probably like

637
00:34:12,840 –> 00:34:14,280
that.
I don’t know, I feel like

638
00:34:14,480 –> 00:34:17,400
honest, honestly, what happened
with Tupac, we’ve seen it happen

639
00:34:17,400 –> 00:34:19,600
with other guys in like real
life and celebrities.

640
00:34:19,719 –> 00:34:23,159
I feel like what happened to
Tupac after he got robbed by he

641
00:34:23,159 –> 00:34:25,760
got robbed in New York.
He was so young.

642
00:34:25,800 –> 00:34:30,679
And also the rape case where if
you read into it, it does sound

643
00:34:30,679 –> 00:34:34,199
like he only got he got the
charge because those people knew

644
00:34:34,199 –> 00:34:35,280
him.
I don’t think he did it, but

645
00:34:35,280 –> 00:34:38,080
like somehow his friends.
So stuff like that.

646
00:34:38,199 –> 00:34:40,880
And then Suge Knight comes into
his life.

647
00:34:40,880 –> 00:34:44,679
He was like so paranoid that he
just kind of they put that

648
00:34:44,679 –> 00:34:48,440
influence on him and charge him
up and that caused his decline.

649
00:34:48,440 –> 00:34:51,960
It’s like he was kind of like
John Moran if the NBA didn’t tap

650
00:34:51,960 –> 00:34:52,760
his pockets.
Yeah.

651
00:34:54,040 –> 00:34:56,960
A little bit.
Once he started feeling that

652
00:34:57,160 –> 00:34:59,200
association with the I think was
it.

653
00:34:59,400 –> 00:35:02,800
I think Chuck was Pyro.
I can’t remember what specific

654
00:35:02,800 –> 00:35:05,600
set he was part of, but yeah, I
think that’s what fucked with

655
00:35:05,600 –> 00:35:09,240
him.
Yeah, the character who is very

656
00:35:09,240 –> 00:35:11,360
light skinned in this his name
Sweet Willie.

657
00:35:11,400 –> 00:35:16,320
And I’m glad I watched the movie
and also read the book because

658
00:35:16,320 –> 00:35:20,920
in the book I could not picture
what Sweet Willie actually

659
00:35:20,920 –> 00:35:24,120
looked like.
And in the book, he’s even

660
00:35:24,160 –> 00:35:28,040
angrier about the suggestion
that, oh, well, you leave this

661
00:35:28,040 –> 00:35:32,360
bank robbery because you look
white and they’ll just assume a

662
00:35:32,360 –> 00:35:36,160
bunch of white people did it.
In the book, he’s furious at

663
00:35:36,160 –> 00:35:40,160
that because this thing where
people call him white and he’s

664
00:35:40,160 –> 00:35:44,360
like, I’m not.
It’s played up a lot more in the

665
00:35:44,360 –> 00:35:48,120
book and I just for the life of
me, I couldn’t picture like,

666
00:35:48,120 –> 00:35:51,960
well, what the fuck does he look
like that people are not like

667
00:35:51,960 –> 00:35:53,680
even registering that he’s
black.

668
00:35:53,880 –> 00:35:55,560
Check out Sweet Willie in this
movie.

669
00:35:55,600 –> 00:35:58,360
You’ll get it to make it easier.
Basically, he looks like that

670
00:35:58,360 –> 00:36:01,600
rapper Logic.
Oh sure, sure is logic not Is

671
00:36:01,600 –> 00:36:04,400
that not a white dude?
No, he claims to be half black

672
00:36:04,680 –> 00:36:06,080
when it’s convenient.
Oh wow.

673
00:36:06,080 –> 00:36:07,200
Yeah, I thought everybody knew
that.

674
00:36:07,200 –> 00:36:08,720
Yeah.
When he want to sell some

675
00:36:08,760 –> 00:36:11,600
records he talks about I think
he he got a record.

676
00:36:11,920 –> 00:36:13,400
I didn’t.
I don’t listen to no fucking

677
00:36:13,400 –> 00:36:15,560
logic.
I just know that every nobody

678
00:36:15,560 –> 00:36:17,880
takes him serious because he
only claims his black side when

679
00:36:17,880 –> 00:36:20,120
it’s convenient.
But yeah, logic biracial.

680
00:36:20,120 –> 00:36:21,240
I don’t know.
He got some.

681
00:36:21,320 –> 00:36:22,600
He claims to have some black in
them.

682
00:36:22,800 –> 00:36:25,640
Either way this works.
The fucking plan works.

683
00:36:25,760 –> 00:36:29,520
Like it’s pretty brilliant They
hold off this bank robbery.

684
00:36:29,720 –> 00:36:35,200
Sweet Willie dresses like a
1930s fucking mobster.

685
00:36:35,240 –> 00:36:38,160
When he robs this bank, he goes
all out.

686
00:36:38,160 –> 00:36:41,080
He’s got the fucking fedora on
and everything.

687
00:36:41,160 –> 00:36:44,680
And as they’re driving away
someone, they hear on a police

688
00:36:44,680 –> 00:36:48,800
scanner that for Caucasian
individuals just robbed the

689
00:36:48,800 –> 00:36:50,880
bank.
So that shit worked.

690
00:36:50,960 –> 00:36:55,040
They also, you mentioned it a
little bit, but one of the other

691
00:36:55,040 –> 00:37:00,960
tactics they use is they start
putting the idea out that the

692
00:37:00,960 –> 00:37:06,320
Cobras are all using heroin now.
And so the police will assume,

693
00:37:06,440 –> 00:37:08,360
oh, you mean that group of
junkies?

694
00:37:08,520 –> 00:37:11,440
They obviously didn’t pull off a
fucking bank heist.

695
00:37:11,440 –> 00:37:15,120
They obviously didn’t rob an
Armory, which that’s coming up

696
00:37:15,600 –> 00:37:18,760
to, which that’s smart.
That’s really fucking smart.

697
00:37:19,280 –> 00:37:21,960
I mean, it’s propaganda is what
they’re doing.

698
00:37:22,080 –> 00:37:26,960
And that was sweet Willie’s role
also, he was the propagandist in

699
00:37:26,960 –> 00:37:30,320
this.
And so they have to rob a bank

700
00:37:30,600 –> 00:37:32,400
because they need a ton of
money.

701
00:37:32,560 –> 00:37:36,800
At one point in the book, Dan
Freeman is like, how much money

702
00:37:36,800 –> 00:37:40,840
do we have for all this?
And the guy’s like $8700.

703
00:37:41,320 –> 00:37:44,600
He’s like, that is not going to
be enough at all.

704
00:37:44,640 –> 00:37:46,760
We.
Even the 70s books that ain’t

705
00:37:46,800 –> 00:37:50,040
you.
Yeah, yeah, because I as I was

706
00:37:50,040 –> 00:37:52,120
reading and I was like, oh, is
that going to be enough money?

707
00:37:52,120 –> 00:37:54,000
It’s 1973.
I have no idea.

708
00:37:55,320 –> 00:37:59,120
No, we need a lot more money.
So they pull off this bank

709
00:37:59,120 –> 00:38:02,640
robbery to get money.
We should mention Dawson.

710
00:38:02,840 –> 00:38:08,440
He’s a big figure in this.
He is a friend of Peter’s from

711
00:38:08,440 –> 00:38:13,120
childhood who grew up to be a
cop, and Freeman wants to

712
00:38:13,120 –> 00:38:18,960
recruit Dawson into this cause
and Dawson is highly skeptical.

713
00:38:19,040 –> 00:38:23,280
And so after the bank robbery,
they pull off an even more

714
00:38:23,280 –> 00:38:28,640
ambitious iced and steal a bunch
of guns and ammunition from a

715
00:38:28,640 –> 00:38:33,680
local Armory using a stolen bus.
It is such a fun scene in this

716
00:38:33,680 –> 00:38:36,360
movie when they pull off this
heist, it’s great.

717
00:38:36,440 –> 00:38:37,880
Like I said, the movie is really
interesting.

718
00:38:37,880 –> 00:38:41,440
It is political.
It’s a political revolutionary

719
00:38:41,440 –> 00:38:43,800
movie.
So like it’s really, I was on my

720
00:38:43,800 –> 00:38:45,600
live stream, I was trying to
think of something to compare it

721
00:38:45,600 –> 00:38:48,120
to and it’s really nothing.
No other movie you can compare

722
00:38:48,120 –> 00:38:49,920
it to just because of the
writing and the pacing.

723
00:38:50,280 –> 00:38:54,160
But it does have some fun scenes
like that scene with him and the

724
00:38:54,160 –> 00:38:56,320
logic looking dude.
It ends with them starting to

725
00:38:56,320 –> 00:39:00,720
joke around about he starts
doing his impression of 70s

726
00:39:00,720 –> 00:39:03,440
white people and stuff like
that, that and I think the same

727
00:39:03,440 –> 00:39:06,360
after the Armory, that’s where
they go to the radio station,

728
00:39:06,360 –> 00:39:07,360
right?
Yes.

729
00:39:07,520 –> 00:39:12,960
They basically break into a
radio station, tie up the DJ and

730
00:39:13,280 –> 00:39:17,920
whoever else is there, and then
get on the radio and start,

731
00:39:17,960 –> 00:39:22,160
well, in the movie they get on
the radio and do this.

732
00:39:22,520 –> 00:39:25,480
I mean, they say who they are
with their messages and then

733
00:39:25,480 –> 00:39:28,960
they do this countdown and the
guys like at the end of this

734
00:39:28,960 –> 00:39:31,440
countdown, the mayor’s office is
going to explode.

735
00:39:31,520 –> 00:39:34,320
That’s two different scenes in
the book.

736
00:39:34,440 –> 00:39:38,120
They get on the radio in the
book and just like generally

737
00:39:38,120 –> 00:39:41,360
spread their message.
But also in the book, Dan

738
00:39:41,360 –> 00:39:46,640
Freeman, every time this group
does something, at first, Dan

739
00:39:46,640 –> 00:39:51,200
Freeman calls a local journalist
and tells him and the countdown

740
00:39:51,200 –> 00:39:54,120
scene to where the mayor’s
office explodes.

741
00:39:54,120 –> 00:39:56,960
He’s actually on the phone with
the guy and hears it through

742
00:39:56,960 –> 00:39:59,520
that guy’s phone.
But I mean, making the movie,

743
00:39:59,520 –> 00:40:01,920
they obviously had to combine
some shit.

744
00:40:01,920 –> 00:40:05,840
But yeah, that part, that scene
is really fun in the movie and

745
00:40:05,840 –> 00:40:08,280
they.
Take over the radio station.

746
00:40:08,400 –> 00:40:10,280
I’m trying to remember, isn’t it
a scene?

747
00:40:10,560 –> 00:40:12,440
Because I was a few months ago
when I seen it.

748
00:40:12,720 –> 00:40:15,160
Or they’re like, there’s going
to be some things that they

749
00:40:15,160 –> 00:40:18,400
blame on us and they’re like
that we’re not taking credit for

750
00:40:18,400 –> 00:40:19,360
it.
I can’t remember.

751
00:40:19,360 –> 00:40:21,520
It wasn’t that in the movie.
It was saying they were saying

752
00:40:21,520 –> 00:40:23,320
something like that the
government is going to blank or

753
00:40:23,320 –> 00:40:24,680
the state is going to blame on
us.

754
00:40:25,200 –> 00:40:26,840
I can’t remember.
Maybe I’m thinking of something

755
00:40:26,840 –> 00:40:28,880
else?
Yeah, I don’t remember that.

756
00:40:28,880 –> 00:40:32,080
I remember them.
It’s after the Armory robbery

757
00:40:32,080 –> 00:40:35,520
where he explains that that’s
why they made the OR spread the

758
00:40:35,520 –> 00:40:39,640
rumors about the Cobras being
drug addicts, because no one

759
00:40:39,760 –> 00:40:42,880
would associate a heist of that
nature that took all that

760
00:40:42,880 –> 00:40:45,880
planning with a bunch of fucking
drug addicts.

761
00:40:46,120 –> 00:40:48,840
But yeah, I don’t remember that
part exactly.

762
00:40:49,040 –> 00:40:51,240
Right.
And so the original plan is

763
00:40:51,240 –> 00:40:54,400
they’re all supposed to when
they kind of start the chaos and

764
00:40:54,400 –> 00:40:57,400
start to spread it, then they’re
all they’re supposed to start it

765
00:40:57,400 –> 00:41:00,880
all at the same time across the
country and things start to go

766
00:41:00,880 –> 00:41:02,400
awry.
Because this, this young

767
00:41:02,400 –> 00:41:06,240
character, I think Freeman knew
him from back in the day, this

768
00:41:06,240 –> 00:41:08,560
young kid that he was selling
the heroin.

769
00:41:08,560 –> 00:41:11,000
He was a heroin or I think he
was a pimp or something like

770
00:41:11,000 –> 00:41:13,640
that.
And he gets, hopefully I’m not

771
00:41:13,640 –> 00:41:16,920
jumping too far ahead, he gets
killed by the cops and that’s

772
00:41:16,920 –> 00:41:19,880
what starts to and that’s what
kind of throws everything off.

773
00:41:20,000 –> 00:41:23,760
Yeah, that whole sequence I
found really entertaining.

774
00:41:24,000 –> 00:41:25,520
I like this movie just in
general.

775
00:41:25,520 –> 00:41:28,880
It’s a legitimately good movie.
But yeah, once it gets to that

776
00:41:28,880 –> 00:41:32,520
police shooting, the movie
itself, like, really takes off.

777
00:41:33,240 –> 00:41:37,000
There’s a scene where there’s
this police shooting, and Dan

778
00:41:37,000 –> 00:41:40,320
Freeman has all these plans, you
know, this plot that is supposed

779
00:41:40,320 –> 00:41:44,480
to happen all at the same time.
So he’s in this position where

780
00:41:44,800 –> 00:41:48,640
he kind of wants this chaos in
the streets, but not yet.

781
00:41:48,720 –> 00:41:52,000
So he’s got to go down and try
to stop this riot.

782
00:41:52,000 –> 00:41:56,080
And it happens in the book, in
the movie, in pretty much the

783
00:41:56,080 –> 00:41:59,840
exact same way.
They have everyone mostly calmed

784
00:41:59,840 –> 00:42:01,920
down.
And then for some reason, the

785
00:42:01,920 –> 00:42:06,400
police go in with dogs and that
sets the neighborhood off.

786
00:42:06,400 –> 00:42:10,920
Because this was 73.
It wasn’t that far removed from

787
00:42:11,040 –> 00:42:14,320
all of the shit that happened in
the South with the civil rights

788
00:42:14,320 –> 00:42:18,040
movement and dogs.
And those protests in the South

789
00:42:18,040 –> 00:42:21,320
were a big fucking deal.
So the people in this

790
00:42:21,320 –> 00:42:24,560
neighborhood, once they bring
out the dogs, they’re like you

791
00:42:24,560 –> 00:42:28,160
mother fuckers and that’s when
they start throwing bricks and

792
00:42:28,160 –> 00:42:30,320
shit.
If you watch a special features

793
00:42:30,320 –> 00:42:33,360
bait, a real riot basically
almost broke out while they were

794
00:42:33,360 –> 00:42:35,600
shooting this.
Yeah, because they’re filming it

795
00:42:35,640 –> 00:42:39,920
at a time when this was shit
people were concerned about and

796
00:42:39,920 –> 00:42:42,760
talking about.
So yeah, the riot turned into

797
00:42:42,960 –> 00:42:45,680
like a real riot.
They actually flipped a car over

798
00:42:45,680 –> 00:42:48,560
and shit.
And so there’s lots of scenes of

799
00:42:48,880 –> 00:42:52,720
police beating people with
batons, things of the like crowd

800
00:42:52,720 –> 00:42:56,280
responding escalates to the
point that the National Guard is

801
00:42:56,280 –> 00:42:58,280
called in.
And the National Guard is

802
00:42:58,280 –> 00:43:03,360
actually good for the plan here
because what they’re aiming for

803
00:43:03,440 –> 00:43:07,440
is people in the community.
And I think this is more

804
00:43:07,480 –> 00:43:11,920
mentioned in the book, but the
goal is for the people in the

805
00:43:11,920 –> 00:43:16,320
communities where they’re going
to do this, to be so fed up with

806
00:43:16,320 –> 00:43:20,480
the National Guard being in
their community that they will

807
00:43:20,480 –> 00:43:24,160
side with the people who are
attacking the National Guard to

808
00:43:24,160 –> 00:43:27,080
try and get them out.
It’s not like you could just

809
00:43:27,080 –> 00:43:31,880
say, all right, no blacks after
after 5:00, the National Guard

810
00:43:31,880 –> 00:43:33,680
has to suppress everybody in the
community.

811
00:43:33,760 –> 00:43:34,880
And that’s, you know what I’m
saying?

812
00:43:34,880 –> 00:43:37,640
That’s that’s how you kind of
unite people.

813
00:43:37,960 –> 00:43:40,760
Because the thing, like I said,
the thing that got Fred Hampton

814
00:43:40,760 –> 00:43:43,920
killed, he wasn’t you not trying
to just unite black people.

815
00:43:43,920 –> 00:43:45,840
He was trying to unite a class
of people.

816
00:43:45,920 –> 00:43:48,160
And that’s what the Rainbow
Coalition was.

817
00:43:48,160 –> 00:43:52,200
It was hillbillies, but you
know, different groups of back

818
00:43:52,200 –> 00:43:56,440
in the 70s when Italians were
still had a lot of prejudice

819
00:43:56,440 –> 00:43:59,400
against some different groups of
white people that were, you

820
00:43:59,400 –> 00:44:01,800
know, the underclass.
And he was uniting those type of

821
00:44:01,800 –> 00:44:03,560
people.
And that’s what the that’s what

822
00:44:03,560 –> 00:44:06,160
the point was.
You unite a class people instead

823
00:44:06,160 –> 00:44:08,160
of a race.
And that’s how you know, you

824
00:44:08,160 –> 00:44:11,000
know, build these coalitions.
Yeah, that’s absolutely what got

825
00:44:11,000 –> 00:44:13,720
him killed.
I love the scene where they

826
00:44:13,720 –> 00:44:19,120
kidnapped the commander of the
National Guard unit and they put

827
00:44:19,120 –> 00:44:22,200
him in blackface and then force
him to take acid.

828
00:44:22,520 –> 00:44:25,680
Oh yeah, yes, that move, that
scene was hilarious.

829
00:44:26,560 –> 00:44:27,840
They just let them go, don’t
they?

830
00:44:28,000 –> 00:44:32,760
Well, they in the book, they
just let him go, which that by

831
00:44:32,760 –> 00:44:35,440
itself is very funny.
They let him go when it turns

832
00:44:35,440 –> 00:44:39,080
into this thing where he gets
fired and like the National

833
00:44:39,080 –> 00:44:42,200
Guard kind of lies about why
he’s gone.

834
00:44:42,280 –> 00:44:46,880
And in the movie, they let him
go and he’s riding a bike and

835
00:44:46,880 –> 00:44:50,240
like high out of his mind and
these two National Guard

836
00:44:50,560 –> 00:44:54,520
soldiers walk up to intervene.
And then they just shoot him in

837
00:44:54,520 –> 00:44:58,800
the chest from a rooftop nearby.
Like you could have just shot

838
00:44:58,800 –> 00:45:02,520
him in the 1st place if you were
going to do that.

839
00:45:02,720 –> 00:45:06,480
But they drug him, put him on a
bike, put him in blackface and

840
00:45:06,480 –> 00:45:10,080
then shoot him, which I didn’t
see that coming.

841
00:45:10,200 –> 00:45:13,120
I thought it was very funny.
And it’s like, so the way they

842
00:45:13,120 –> 00:45:15,880
shoot him, it’s just like they
shoot him and then like giggle

843
00:45:15,880 –> 00:45:19,160
to each other and run off like
kids who just did something fun.

844
00:45:19,680 –> 00:45:24,040
A great scene.
One of the things that is really

845
00:45:24,040 –> 00:45:28,200
clear in this, it was really
clear when we talked about Fred

846
00:45:28,200 –> 00:45:31,920
Hampton last week, which there’s
a documentary out there called

847
00:45:31,920 –> 00:45:36,280
The Murder of Fred Hampton that
came out I think the same year

848
00:45:36,400 –> 00:45:39,680
this did.
And one of the things you see in

849
00:45:39,680 –> 00:45:43,400
that is there’s so many moments
where it’s like, oh, it’s 50

850
00:45:43,400 –> 00:45:46,720
years later and we’re still,
this is still a concern or this

851
00:45:46,720 –> 00:45:49,760
is still a thing you’re hearing
from the fucking police.

852
00:45:49,880 –> 00:45:55,480
And in this, sure enough, at one
point, the CIA, the FBI, they’re

853
00:45:55,480 –> 00:45:58,200
like, you know, who we need to
find is the communists in the

854
00:45:58,200 –> 00:46:01,960
agitators who are organizing and
causing all of this.

855
00:46:01,960 –> 00:46:05,640
Because clearly these fucking
dim witted black people cannot

856
00:46:05,800 –> 00:46:11,200
be the ones behind all this.
It has to be someone smarter and

857
00:46:11,200 –> 00:46:15,080
better in their view.
And you still hear that today.

858
00:46:15,280 –> 00:46:19,080
Anytime there’s a fucking just a
it, you cannot call what

859
00:46:19,080 –> 00:46:23,320
happened in LA recently a riot.
You absolutely cannot.

860
00:46:23,480 –> 00:46:26,880
There was some destruction of
property.

861
00:46:26,880 –> 00:46:30,120
There was some spray painting.
Absolutely not a fucking riot.

862
00:46:30,120 –> 00:46:35,480
But what violence or anything
that broke out, even fucking

863
00:46:35,480 –> 00:46:38,320
local news, who knows better
would be like, oh, it’s

864
00:46:38,360 –> 00:46:41,760
agitators who are called.
Everyone else here is just

865
00:46:41,840 –> 00:46:44,160
peaceful.
And then those are agitators and

866
00:46:44,320 –> 00:46:47,360
outside agitators.
And it’s like, show me one,

867
00:46:47,440 –> 00:46:51,280
arrest one, and show me that
motherfucker’s ID that says they

868
00:46:51,280 –> 00:46:54,600
are from George Soros, Oregon or
some shit.

869
00:46:54,680 –> 00:46:59,200
It’s just a way to minimize the
importance of what people are

870
00:46:59,200 –> 00:47:02,200
protesting about.
If you can sell people on the

871
00:47:02,200 –> 00:47:04,280
idea, well, people aren’t that
mad.

872
00:47:04,360 –> 00:47:06,960
They’re just sort of mad.
And then these outside

873
00:47:06,960 –> 00:47:09,560
influencers are coming in to
really stir shit up.

874
00:47:09,840 –> 00:47:12,840
It’s like, no, people are mad
enough to stir shit up is what’s

875
00:47:12,840 –> 00:47:16,400
actually happening.
And that becomes a big plot

876
00:47:16,400 –> 00:47:19,880
point near the end of the movie
is this idea that, oh, we got to

877
00:47:19,880 –> 00:47:22,760
find the communists who are
behind all this.

878
00:47:22,760 –> 00:47:27,000
And it turns into a big argument
with Freeman and Dawson

879
00:47:27,200 –> 00:47:30,080
eventually also.
And yeah, you still see that

880
00:47:30,080 –> 00:47:32,680
shit today.
It’s Communists are doing

881
00:47:32,840 –> 00:47:35,840
everything in this country.
Yeah, and also she doesn’t play

882
00:47:35,840 –> 00:47:38,160
as big of a role, but the sex
worker he was working with,

883
00:47:38,160 –> 00:47:41,200
she’s kind of in.
She’s kind of down with the

884
00:47:41,200 –> 00:47:45,840
cause too, as opposed to the
other chick he was messing with.

885
00:47:45,920 –> 00:47:47,960
She marries like a doctor or
something like that.

886
00:47:48,040 –> 00:47:51,400
And that was kind of put in to
show that the class solidarity,

887
00:47:51,440 –> 00:47:54,720
even with black people, even
back then during different civil

888
00:47:54,720 –> 00:47:58,200
right movements and uprisings,
it’s a type of it’s a tier of

889
00:47:58,200 –> 00:48:01,120
class solidarity.
Like a old boy that was a cop in

890
00:48:01,120 –> 00:48:02,720
his mind.
He’s like, I mean, I made it.

891
00:48:03,000 –> 00:48:05,840
I’m not giving this up to fight
with the revolution.

892
00:48:05,840 –> 00:48:08,160
And that’s kind of where thing,
you know, that’s where his anger

893
00:48:08,160 –> 00:48:12,000
comes at, that this guy who’s
also black and he would benefit

894
00:48:12,000 –> 00:48:15,240
from class.
Well, race solidarity or class

895
00:48:15,240 –> 00:48:16,880
solidarity.
He doesn’t want to give that up

896
00:48:16,880 –> 00:48:21,440
cuz he’s a cop already.
Yeah, and those two women become

897
00:48:21,440 –> 00:48:26,480
really central to the plot at
the end because the sex worker

898
00:48:26,560 –> 00:48:31,160
shows back up and it’s like,
hey, I’ve been boning a guy.

899
00:48:31,160 –> 00:48:35,120
I think you know the general.
He was apparently your boss back

900
00:48:35,120 –> 00:48:38,560
at the CIA.
And just so you know, they are

901
00:48:38,560 –> 00:48:42,560
planning to come to town and
fucking and destroy you.

902
00:48:42,680 –> 00:48:45,680
They are trying to infiltrate
your group.

903
00:48:45,720 –> 00:48:48,000
And then they are going to end
your shit.

904
00:48:48,080 –> 00:48:51,040
And he’s like, if you’re dating
this guy, why are you telling

905
00:48:51,040 –> 00:48:53,360
me?
And she’s like, I’m still black.

906
00:48:54,440 –> 00:48:58,520
And then there’s the other
woman, Joy, who is, she’s the

907
00:48:58,520 –> 00:49:01,120
one who like, she’s got a really
good job.

908
00:49:01,480 –> 00:49:05,200
She shows up and starts arguing
with him about how what’s

909
00:49:05,200 –> 00:49:09,600
happening in these cities is
causing people to lose their

910
00:49:09,640 –> 00:49:12,040
integrated jobs.
I don’t know if she says that in

911
00:49:12,040 –> 00:49:15,360
the movie, but it’s in the book.
And what she means is black

912
00:49:15,360 –> 00:49:17,240
people are just getting fired
from their jobs.

913
00:49:17,240 –> 00:49:21,000
Because, you know, the United
States, once we’re at war with

914
00:49:21,040 –> 00:49:25,200
anyone or have any sort of
conflict with anyone, everyone

915
00:49:25,240 –> 00:49:28,520
who is part of that group in
this country is all of a sudden

916
00:49:28,880 –> 00:49:31,120
a problem.
Like the New York City mayor

917
00:49:31,120 –> 00:49:34,480
thing we just talked about.
Now every Muslim is a terrorist

918
00:49:34,480 –> 00:49:39,680
in New York because they almost
might elect a Muslim mayor.

919
00:49:39,760 –> 00:49:42,200
And so she’s really pissed about
that.

920
00:49:42,520 –> 00:49:46,480
And this argument breaks out and
she starts to suspect that he

921
00:49:46,480 –> 00:49:50,440
might be the one leading all of
this because they end up giving.

922
00:49:50,520 –> 00:49:53,720
Well, the when they break into
the radio station, he calls

923
00:49:53,720 –> 00:49:57,320
himself Uncle Tom.
And so now all the feds, all the

924
00:49:57,320 –> 00:50:02,520
police, they’re looking for
Uncle Tom and she suspects that

925
00:50:02,520 –> 00:50:07,920
Freeman might be Uncle Tom.
So she goes to Dawson the cop

926
00:50:07,960 –> 00:50:11,560
and fucking tells on him, which
don’t do that, don’t tell the

927
00:50:11,560 –> 00:50:15,000
police things.
So then that’s when the conflict

928
00:50:15,000 –> 00:50:19,480
with Dawson and Freeman happens.
Dawson basically shows up to

929
00:50:19,640 –> 00:50:22,800
arrest him and it turns into a
big thing.

930
00:50:22,880 –> 00:50:26,400
Freeman gets shot, Dawson gets
stabbed, Dawson dies.

931
00:50:26,600 –> 00:50:28,920
Spoiler alert.
Well, yeah, before the fight,

932
00:50:28,920 –> 00:50:32,160
it’s kind of a kind of a
discussion, like if you join the

933
00:50:32,160 –> 00:50:34,440
’cause you would be more
valuable to us because we would

934
00:50:34,440 –> 00:50:38,240
have somebody on the inside.
And of course, like we seen The

935
00:50:38,240 –> 00:50:42,280
thing is for the civil rights
era, it’s like I said, it’s so

936
00:50:42,280 –> 00:50:44,520
re.
You have to read so many books

937
00:50:44,520 –> 00:50:47,280
to understand how much really
went to it, into it.

938
00:50:47,600 –> 00:50:50,120
Because like, for one, a lot of
black people, especially

939
00:50:50,120 –> 00:50:54,680
Christians, weren’t down with it
during the second wave of civil

940
00:50:54,680 –> 00:50:56,280
rights, which starts Martin
Luther King.

941
00:50:56,280 –> 00:50:58,720
A lot of people think that’s
when it began, but the first

942
00:50:58,720 –> 00:51:01,720
wave started with his father and
things just moved a lot slower.

943
00:51:02,080 –> 00:51:06,000
So I started reading this book
and then I hit my threshold for

944
00:51:06,000 –> 00:51:08,600
the year, or at least for half
of the year for black

945
00:51:08,600 –> 00:51:10,560
depression.
So I’ll probably finish it

946
00:51:10,560 –> 00:51:12,720
later.
Called did not this nonviolent

947
00:51:12,720 –> 00:51:15,840
stuff to get you killed.
And Roy Woods Junior has a

948
00:51:15,840 –> 00:51:17,640
perfect joke about it.
I think I talked about it

949
00:51:17,640 –> 00:51:19,600
before.
He says one of those jokes.

950
00:51:19,600 –> 00:51:22,480
He’s like, black people should
only be allowed to watch 3 civil

951
00:51:22,480 –> 00:51:25,280
rights movies a year because
that’s too much to handle.

952
00:51:25,720 –> 00:51:27,200
But yeah, that literally
happened to me.

953
00:51:27,520 –> 00:51:29,640
Like I’m reading maybe 1/4 of
this book.

954
00:51:29,640 –> 00:51:31,480
I’m like, I can’t handle this
shit anymore because I

955
00:51:31,720 –> 00:51:33,760
especially with the type of
content I do, it’s just

956
00:51:33,760 –> 00:51:35,960
depressing.
But it is interesting.

957
00:51:35,960 –> 00:51:39,280
It shows the real history of
civil rights, like a lot of

958
00:51:39,280 –> 00:51:41,800
people don’t know Martin Luther
King carried a gun for

959
00:51:41,800 –> 00:51:44,240
protection.
That just wasn’t it wasn’t out

960
00:51:44,240 –> 00:51:46,720
there.
But the idea of civil rights

961
00:51:46,720 –> 00:51:51,120
that it was understood that we
have to take up arms and that’s

962
00:51:51,120 –> 00:51:52,680
why certain discussions are
hurt.

963
00:51:52,720 –> 00:51:57,080
People have on the have had on
this network like gun control.

964
00:51:57,400 –> 00:51:59,760
Well, with black people, we look
at gun control different because

965
00:51:59,760 –> 00:52:02,280
those laws aren’t going to be
enforced the same.

966
00:52:02,520 –> 00:52:06,160
They’re going to be enforced in
the city or just random black

967
00:52:06,160 –> 00:52:07,920
people.
It’s not like Jim Bobbing them.

968
00:52:08,360 –> 00:52:10,640
It’s going to be like, hey, what
you got on you, You know what

969
00:52:10,640 –> 00:52:12,080
I’m saying?
So yeah, it’s a it’s an

970
00:52:12,080 –> 00:52:13,920
interesting book.
It’s nonviolent stuff to get you

971
00:52:13,920 –> 00:52:15,480
killed.
But yeah, it’s it’s the whole

972
00:52:15,480 –> 00:52:18,840
thing like the it’s so much that
goes into it that you would need

973
00:52:18,840 –> 00:52:22,120
to do research on under the
fully understand this movie.

974
00:52:22,120 –> 00:52:25,200
But a lot of it is put into it
that you can understand it

975
00:52:25,200 –> 00:52:27,000
without doing a lot of the
research.

976
00:52:27,000 –> 00:52:31,400
It’s a really good movie.
Yeah, the gun control thing,

977
00:52:31,880 –> 00:52:34,800
that’s something I always
mention when people are like,

978
00:52:34,800 –> 00:52:38,680
why don’t we just ban all guns
and go just confiscate all guns?

979
00:52:38,760 –> 00:52:42,400
It’s because you’re picturing,
oh, the government’s going to go

980
00:52:42,400 –> 00:52:46,640
out to all these fucking racist
hillbillies in middle America

981
00:52:46,640 –> 00:52:48,760
and finally take their AR
fifteens.

982
00:52:48,880 –> 00:52:53,000
It’s like, sure, that, but also
it’s going to be sending heavily

983
00:52:53,000 –> 00:52:57,440
militarized police forces into
communities that have been

984
00:52:57,440 –> 00:53:01,880
getting terrorized by heavily
militarized police forces for

985
00:53:01,880 –> 00:53:05,960
years and years and years so
they can be terrorized again and

986
00:53:05,960 –> 00:53:08,760
have their guns taken.
It’s like you don’t really want

987
00:53:08,760 –> 00:53:12,080
to sign off on that do.
You and also just on the gun

988
00:53:12,080 –> 00:53:15,080
thing from as far as when it
comes to black people holding

989
00:53:15,080 –> 00:53:18,000
arms, like what do you think of
like pretty much the three most

990
00:53:18,000 –> 00:53:21,840
famous police departments that
are known for just doing fucked

991
00:53:21,840 –> 00:53:24,120
up shit, especially towards
black people and people of

992
00:53:24,120 –> 00:53:27,080
color?
You got LAPDNYPD and I would

993
00:53:27,080 –> 00:53:30,360
probably say Chicago police, and
those are also the three of the

994
00:53:30,360 –> 00:53:33,560
toughest states to legally own
the gun, and that’s not a

995
00:53:33,560 –> 00:53:35,360
coincidence.
Yeah, definitely not.

996
00:53:35,840 –> 00:53:39,560
Yeah, so just the idea, just
idea of maybe this person that

997
00:53:39,560 –> 00:53:43,040
I’m fucking with might own the
gun and they might, you know

998
00:53:43,040 –> 00:53:44,600
what I’m saying?
They might stand a chance in

999
00:53:44,600 –> 00:53:46,400
court or they might not think
twice about it.

1000
00:53:46,680 –> 00:53:48,800
Stuff like that is what it’s a
problem.

1001
00:53:48,800 –> 00:53:50,720
We talk about white liberals.
They don’t think about

1002
00:53:50,720 –> 00:53:52,680
discussions like that because
they don’t, they’re not really a

1003
00:53:52,680 –> 00:53:55,000
community with black people.
But like all of these things,

1004
00:53:55,000 –> 00:53:57,560
these aren’t noodles.
These have been conversations

1005
00:53:57,560 –> 00:53:59,880
we’ve been having since pre
civil rights.

1006
00:53:59,880 –> 00:54:03,160
It goes back to before, like the
only reason we have certain gun

1007
00:54:03,160 –> 00:54:06,560
laws is because too many black
people were fighting against the

1008
00:54:06,560 –> 00:54:09,040
Klan and shit like that back in
like the 1800s.

1009
00:54:09,920 –> 00:54:13,320
This is a good movie.
I think people should watch it.

1010
00:54:13,320 –> 00:54:15,480
The end.
I mean, we’ve kind of already

1011
00:54:15,480 –> 00:54:18,960
talked about the end, but the
very, very end.

1012
00:54:19,040 –> 00:54:23,520
Some of the cobras show up at
Freeman’s apartment and realize

1013
00:54:23,520 –> 00:54:26,640
he’s killed Dawson.
And they’re like, man, Dawson

1014
00:54:26,640 –> 00:54:28,680
was your friend.
I can’t believe, like, why would

1015
00:54:28,680 –> 00:54:31,840
you kill your friend?
And I’m paraphrasing, but he’s

1016
00:54:31,840 –> 00:54:35,360
like, hey, man, anyone who gets
between US and freedom can

1017
00:54:35,400 –> 00:54:40,160
fucking get it.
And that combined with he hears

1018
00:54:40,160 –> 00:54:43,760
on the radio that a national
state of emergency has been put

1019
00:54:43,760 –> 00:54:46,400
in place and he just holds his
drink up.

1020
00:54:46,480 –> 00:54:49,960
And like, cheers to that.
I love the way this movie ends.

1021
00:54:50,000 –> 00:54:51,800
Yeah.
And it just ends, like I said,

1022
00:54:51,880 –> 00:54:54,320
this is that’s another reason
this movie can never be made

1023
00:54:54,360 –> 00:54:57,600
remade because like it would
have, it doesn’t really have a

1024
00:54:57,600 –> 00:54:59,560
real ending.
They would give it they want,

1025
00:54:59,560 –> 00:55:01,920
they would want to give it a
Hollywood ending with like

1026
00:55:01,960 –> 00:55:04,480
explosions and a big speech or
something like that.

1027
00:55:04,480 –> 00:55:08,240
It just ends kind of
ambiguously, like the revolution

1028
00:55:08,240 –> 00:55:11,160
has begun.
Yeah, If anything, this movie, I

1029
00:55:11,160 –> 00:55:14,800
would have taken a sequel for
this movie, but that’s not Are

1030
00:55:14,800 –> 00:55:18,000
we going to happen?
Yes, but yeah, like it’s it

1031
00:55:18,000 –> 00:55:21,520
makes sense why the movie was
banned because if you follow

1032
00:55:21,520 –> 00:55:23,920
these steps, especially back
then, you can get some shit done

1033
00:55:24,120 –> 00:55:27,200
like organizing.
Yeah, I mean, you can get shit

1034
00:55:27,200 –> 00:55:30,920
done now, some of this stuff.
But yeah, and that’s the thing

1035
00:55:30,920 –> 00:55:34,680
when you talk about
revolutionaries or resistance

1036
00:55:34,680 –> 00:55:38,720
and stuff like that, all of that
stuff is has to be taken in into

1037
00:55:38,720 –> 00:55:40,840
account, like what you’re really
asking for.

1038
00:55:41,240 –> 00:55:44,320
It’s a reason why within black
community, when it talks about

1039
00:55:44,320 –> 00:55:46,480
gun, we’re talking about
education.

1040
00:55:46,800 –> 00:55:51,160
And yeah, if any law should be
passed, it should be about the

1041
00:55:51,160 –> 00:55:54,640
mental capacity of someone.
And also, all of this shit goes

1042
00:55:54,640 –> 00:55:57,760
back to Ronald Reagan.
Like we didn’t start seeing mass

1043
00:55:57,760 –> 00:55:59,240
shootings.
It started with people going

1044
00:55:59,240 –> 00:56:01,680
postal.
And so he fucking defunded

1045
00:56:01,920 –> 00:56:05,200
mental health facilities.
Like people don’t want to hear

1046
00:56:05,200 –> 00:56:07,040
that.
But if anything that’s really

1047
00:56:07,040 –> 00:56:10,000
where it needs to start because
First off if a criminal wants a

1048
00:56:10,000 –> 00:56:13,200
gun, prohibition doesn’t work.
If you want to get high you

1049
00:56:13,200 –> 00:56:15,640
going to buy drugs.
If you want sex you’re going to

1050
00:56:15,640 –> 00:56:18,000
go to a sex worker.
That’s the thing prohibition

1051
00:56:18,000 –> 00:56:20,280
doesn’t work.
So if anything it starts within

1052
00:56:20,280 –> 00:56:23,760
community instead of trying to
police the people or like

1053
00:56:23,760 –> 00:56:28,320
certain states just make it more
expensive to legally get ACPL

1054
00:56:28,320 –> 00:56:32,000
which it’s been shown that only
effects people of a lower income

1055
00:56:32,000 –> 00:56:34,480
status.
So now you got a single mother

1056
00:56:34,480 –> 00:56:38,560
who’s trying to fucking defend
herself from her ex-boyfriend or

1057
00:56:38,560 –> 00:56:39,800
ex-husband or something like
that.

1058
00:56:39,800 –> 00:56:42,200
You’re just making it.
You’re just making it more

1059
00:56:42,200 –> 00:56:45,720
difficult for her to have to pay
because the middle class white

1060
00:56:45,720 –> 00:56:49,120
dudes who got 100 guns or shit
like that, that’s not a burden

1061
00:56:49,120 –> 00:56:50,880
on him.
Yeah, these are just lot.

1062
00:56:50,880 –> 00:56:52,400
We’re not addressing a real
issue.

1063
00:56:52,440 –> 00:56:56,400
Yeah, and Chicago’s a great
example of how much gun

1064
00:56:56,480 –> 00:56:59,720
prohibition does not work
because you mentioned already

1065
00:56:59,760 –> 00:57:02,720
Chicago has some of the
strictest gun laws.

1066
00:57:02,800 –> 00:57:04,560
Well, Illinois.
Illinois is as a state.

1067
00:57:05,000 –> 00:57:09,080
Yeah, but also Indiana doesn’t
in Indiana is right next door.

1068
00:57:09,080 –> 00:57:12,680
So there’s this thing called the
Iron Pipeline, which is the

1069
00:57:12,680 –> 00:57:17,200
route people take from Indiana
to traffic guns into Chicago.

1070
00:57:17,320 –> 00:57:21,080
It was actually sort of a two
way St. for a while.

1071
00:57:21,080 –> 00:57:24,480
I think Illinois might have
raised their taxes enough that

1072
00:57:24,480 –> 00:57:27,640
it’s not the same now, but for
the longest time also people

1073
00:57:27,640 –> 00:57:31,160
were trafficking cigarettes into
Indiana because cigarettes were

1074
00:57:31,160 –> 00:57:35,000
just significantly cheaper in
Illinois.

1075
00:57:35,120 –> 00:57:39,520
So Indiana was sending Chicago
guns, Chicago was sending

1076
00:57:39,520 –> 00:57:43,080
Indiana cigarettes, and
everyone’s just dying in their

1077
00:57:43,080 –> 00:57:49,560
own preferred little way.
Mexico is another example of a

1078
00:57:49,560 –> 00:57:54,160
place where the gun laws are
insanely strict.

1079
00:57:54,440 –> 00:57:58,120
In Mexico, there’s I think one
place you can buy a gun.

1080
00:57:58,200 –> 00:58:02,000
There’s one gun store in the
country and you have the option

1081
00:58:02,000 –> 00:58:05,640
of a rifle or like a small
handgun.

1082
00:58:05,640 –> 00:58:07,320
There’s only two tyes of guns
you can buy.

1083
00:58:07,440 –> 00:58:10,680
You have to go through this
crazy process to actually be

1084
00:58:10,680 –> 00:58:13,320
able to buy a gun.
Meanwhile, Mexico just gets all

1085
00:58:13,320 –> 00:58:18,360
their guns either trafficked in
from the US, like across the

1086
00:58:18,360 –> 00:58:22,280
southern border, or they just
get stolen from the military.

1087
00:58:22,360 –> 00:58:26,560
So Mexico is filthy with guns.
You just can’t buy one if you’re

1088
00:58:26,680 –> 00:58:29,280
a regular person.
And yeah, you’re right.

1089
00:58:29,280 –> 00:58:32,840
So it’s a thing where they need
to address the reason people

1090
00:58:32,840 –> 00:58:38,200
want guns and need guns and use
guns as opposed to just banning

1091
00:58:38,320 –> 00:58:40,320
guns.
That’s not going to work.

1092
00:58:40,600 –> 00:58:43,040
Not here.
Anyway, And then to do that we

1093
00:58:43,040 –> 00:58:45,880
would have to address systemic
issues like poverty.

1094
00:58:45,880 –> 00:58:48,600
And at the end of the day, it
all goes back to fucking

1095
00:58:48,600 –> 00:58:51,360
capitalism, which is why we have
all of these issues.

1096
00:58:52,040 –> 00:58:55,560
Yeah, even like mass shootings
and school shootings, it’s like,

1097
00:58:55,640 –> 00:58:59,320
yeah, we definitely need to cut
back on that for sure,

1098
00:58:59,320 –> 00:59:01,840
obviously.
But that is a drop in the bucket

1099
00:59:01,840 –> 00:59:04,680
when it comes to the gun
violence in this country.

1100
00:59:04,720 –> 00:59:09,080
And there could be no more
school shootings ever, and guns

1101
00:59:09,080 –> 00:59:12,840
would still be a gigantic,
massive problem in this country.

1102
00:59:12,960 –> 00:59:16,040
And not even that.
The number one cause of gun

1103
00:59:16,040 –> 00:59:21,200
death in America is suicide, and
it’s specifically white males.

1104
00:59:21,320 –> 00:59:23,200
Yeah, I talk about the book a
few times.

1105
00:59:23,200 –> 00:59:26,680
I hear Dying of Whiteness and
just because like the way they

1106
00:59:26,680 –> 00:59:29,920
fucking lobby, we don’t, they
don’t even allow like specific

1107
00:59:29,920 –> 00:59:33,480
research, like we don’t, we have
limited information just because

1108
00:59:33,520 –> 00:59:35,280
I think it’s a lobbyist or some
shit like that.

1109
00:59:35,600 –> 00:59:38,760
It’s all corrupted that we don’t
even have proper information on

1110
00:59:38,760 –> 00:59:42,320
what that like, what that looks
like because the gun lobbyists

1111
00:59:42,640 –> 00:59:46,200
are so powerful.
It’s just it’s like it’s at the

1112
00:59:46,200 –> 00:59:49,680
end of the day, it’s really not.
It’s not the guns because like

1113
00:59:50,000 –> 00:59:52,680
gun culture, I know a lot of
people that own guns that

1114
00:59:52,760 –> 00:59:55,560
they’re going to the gun range
is fucking fun.

1115
00:59:55,560 –> 00:59:58,360
Or I’ve never been hunting, but
going to the gun range is fun or

1116
00:59:59,400 –> 01:00:01,280
cans and stuff.
All of that stuff is fun.

1117
01:00:01,560 –> 01:00:05,400
The issue is that we live in a
fucking society that if.

1118
01:00:05,880 –> 01:00:07,880
Capitalism doesn’t see you as
valuable.

1119
01:00:07,880 –> 01:00:11,160
You end up homeless or you lose
everything and then you got

1120
01:00:11,160 –> 01:00:14,240
people that just fucking snap.
Yeah, yeah, 100% yeah.

1121
01:00:14,240 –> 01:00:17,280
Going to the gun range is fun.
Damn, I’ve only been a couple

1122
01:00:17,280 –> 01:00:19,080
times but.
I might go this weekend, I

1123
01:00:19,080 –> 01:00:21,800
haven’t been in the minute.
Fucking ammo got expensive

1124
01:00:21,800 –> 01:00:23,800
during Covic and never really
went down.

1125
01:00:23,800 –> 01:00:26,480
It went down some, but not like
it used to be.

1126
01:00:26,640 –> 01:00:29,080
Oh, like the old Chris Rock bit.
Right.

1127
01:00:29,360 –> 01:00:32,480
Oh boy, this Chris Rock has some
problematic takes when you go

1128
01:00:32,480 –> 01:00:34,360
back and look at his shit from a
black perspective.

1129
01:00:34,480 –> 01:00:37,160
Jesus Christ, some of this stuff
aged pretty bad.

1130
01:00:38,400 –> 01:00:42,080
That does not surprise me.
So yeah, I think that’s our

1131
01:00:42,080 –> 01:00:43,640
episode.
I think people should watch this

1132
01:00:43,640 –> 01:00:44,720
movie.
We’ll link to it.

1133
01:00:45,160 –> 01:00:47,880
It’s free on YouTube.
Yeah, I’ll link to the free one

1134
01:00:47,880 –> 01:00:50,600
on YouTube.
I’ll link to John’s video about

1135
01:00:50,600 –> 01:00:52,640
it and.
One of mines.

1136
01:00:52,760 –> 01:00:55,080
I mean, mines is like maybe the
third video that comes up

1137
01:00:55,080 –> 01:00:57,360
Anyway, if you search this book
that’s set by the door because

1138
01:00:57,360 –> 01:00:59,320
for one, nobody really talks
about this movie.

1139
01:00:59,360 –> 01:01:02,240
So I did the live stream and
then I made a video.

1140
01:01:02,240 –> 01:01:03,600
It’s like it’s a whole
generation of us.

1141
01:01:03,640 –> 01:01:06,480
I only know about it because
that Nipsey Hussle record and

1142
01:01:06,480 –> 01:01:08,760
blue laces too.
He said the spook just set by

1143
01:01:08,760 –> 01:01:11,040
the door just to infiltration.
Oh, yeah.

1144
01:01:11,040 –> 01:01:12,520
So that’s a whole generation of
us.

1145
01:01:12,520 –> 01:01:14,040
I’m like, what is that book he
talked about?

1146
01:01:14,040 –> 01:01:17,760
Oh, before we close, I did want
to talk mention because in the

1147
01:01:17,760 –> 01:01:21,000
video essay I did, I kind of use
different parallels like Nipsey

1148
01:01:21,000 –> 01:01:23,440
Hussle, Atlanta and Kendrick
Lamar.

1149
01:01:23,440 –> 01:01:25,600
So like, the interesting thing
we talked about censorship,

1150
01:01:25,680 –> 01:01:29,000
typically the only things that
actually do face real censorship

1151
01:01:29,000 –> 01:01:31,320
from the government is stuff
like this.

1152
01:01:31,320 –> 01:01:35,280
And also interesting enough that
as big as Kendrick Lamar is,

1153
01:01:35,280 –> 01:01:37,880
after doing the fucking Super
Bowl last year, do you know that

1154
01:01:37,880 –> 01:01:41,520
his 2016 performance at the
Grammys is scrubbed from

1155
01:01:41,520 –> 01:01:43,120
YouTube?
Like you can’t watch it.

1156
01:01:43,520 –> 01:01:45,800
I did not.
Why can you not watch that?

1157
01:01:45,920 –> 01:01:49,400
Well, the reason why is he ends
his 2016 performance.

1158
01:01:49,400 –> 01:01:52,600
This is a couple years after
Trayvon Martin dies and he

1159
01:01:52,600 –> 01:01:55,240
performed pretty sure the song
he performs is the black or the

1160
01:01:55,240 –> 01:01:57,120
Berry.
And then he kind of does the

1161
01:01:57,120 –> 01:02:01,680
improv like a freestyle about
how Trayvon Martin should be,

1162
01:02:01,720 –> 01:02:03,440
should still be alive and all of
this shit.

1163
01:02:03,440 –> 01:02:06,360
And clearly someone at CBS
didn’t like that.

1164
01:02:06,360 –> 01:02:09,120
And you cannot find it if you
search Kendrick 2016

1165
01:02:09,120 –> 01:02:11,760
performance.
It cannot be found if you search

1166
01:02:11,880 –> 01:02:15,360
Kendrick 2016.
Like it’s not up on the official

1167
01:02:15,360 –> 01:02:19,000
Grammys website.
Like you can find it, but it’s

1168
01:02:19,000 –> 01:02:21,520
like still images.
But yeah, it’s the it’s the

1169
01:02:21,520 –> 01:02:24,440
performance where he comes out
in prison outfit.

1170
01:02:24,840 –> 01:02:27,640
He’s performing the whole time
in shackles and chains.

1171
01:02:27,920 –> 01:02:30,480
And he ends it with that poem
about Trayvon Martin should

1172
01:02:30,480 –> 01:02:33,360
still be alive and George
Zimmerman walks free and all of

1173
01:02:33,360 –> 01:02:35,040
this shit.
And it’s clearly the powers to

1174
01:02:35,040 –> 01:02:37,760
be was like, well, fuck that.
Which you would think after he

1175
01:02:37,760 –> 01:02:40,200
did that Grammy, I mean, after
he did the Super Bowl, they

1176
01:02:40,200 –> 01:02:42,200
would be like, oh, well, this
will bring us views.

1177
01:02:42,440 –> 01:02:44,280
Nope, they did not put it back
on YouTube.

1178
01:02:44,360 –> 01:02:48,120
Yeah, that’s fucking wild.
And it’s always these right

1179
01:02:48,120 –> 01:02:50,400
wings big.
It’s too fucking run media

1180
01:02:50,400 –> 01:02:53,040
anyway that are claimed that are
crying about censorship.

1181
01:02:53,200 –> 01:02:55,720
Dude Joe Rogan is the fucking
biggest podcast in the world.

1182
01:02:55,720 –> 01:02:57,040
What?
What censorship are y’all

1183
01:02:57,040 –> 01:02:59,640
talking about?
Or when people are like, oh, the

1184
01:03:00,080 –> 01:03:03,680
news media is very left-leaning.
It’s like, OK, but what about

1185
01:03:03,680 –> 01:03:06,680
the most watched news network in
the nation?

1186
01:03:06,880 –> 01:03:07,560
Fox.
News.

1187
01:03:08,080 –> 01:03:10,800
Exactly.
Like you don’t need a bunch of

1188
01:03:10,800 –> 01:03:14,120
right leaning networks if you
have the one biggest.

1189
01:03:14,200 –> 01:03:17,720
Exactly.
Yeah, that shit is frustrating.

1190
01:03:17,760 –> 01:03:20,200
Yeah, that’s crazy about that
Kendrick Lamar performance.

1191
01:03:20,640 –> 01:03:23,200
Yeah, you can find it on Reddit,
but it’s a low quality.

1192
01:03:23,200 –> 01:03:25,960
But yeah, it’s it’s insane.
Like when you think about it,

1193
01:03:26,200 –> 01:03:28,280
and that’s what we talk about
with black art.

1194
01:03:28,280 –> 01:03:31,080
Like these are the type of
things that actually get

1195
01:03:31,080 –> 01:03:35,200
scrubbed away and taken down.
Like it’s crazy that people are

1196
01:03:35,200 –> 01:03:38,960
always claiming that.
Oh, so I can’t say the Esler and

1197
01:03:38,960 –> 01:03:41,200
call people the R word.
I mean, you could do it.

1198
01:03:41,200 –> 01:03:42,560
You just got to face
consequences.

1199
01:03:42,560 –> 01:03:46,720
But one of the one of the best
selling platinum rappers who got

1200
01:03:46,720 –> 01:03:50,120
a the Nobel Prize, his
performance is taken down

1201
01:03:50,120 –> 01:03:53,080
because somebody in high power
didn’t like what he said at the

1202
01:03:53,080 –> 01:03:56,920
end of the performance.
Yeah, that is fucking wild.

1203
01:03:57,040 –> 01:03:58,960
What’s funny, I remember
watching that shit live.

1204
01:03:58,960 –> 01:04:01,560
I remember I was at work.
I had work third shift.

1205
01:04:01,560 –> 01:04:04,360
I was like, Oh yeah, they I was
like, they ain’t go like this.

1206
01:04:04,640 –> 01:04:07,640
I’m like, holy shit.
That’s how it was an amazing

1207
01:04:07,640 –> 01:04:09,440
performance.
If you all have never seen it I

1208
01:04:09,440 –> 01:04:13,040
would say search on Reddit
Kendrick 2016 Grammy performance

1209
01:04:13,040 –> 01:04:15,280
you could find it.
It’s not super high quality but

1210
01:04:15,560 –> 01:04:17,600
like I don’t agree.
Like I under like thinking of

1211
01:04:17,600 –> 01:04:19,400
the racist.
I understand why they took it

1212
01:04:19,400 –> 01:04:23,160
down, but it’s just crazy to me
that they did not want that shit

1213
01:04:23,160 –> 01:04:25,640
out.
So yeah, this movie, I don’t

1214
01:04:25,640 –> 01:04:27,120
know.
Download it, keep it on your

1215
01:04:27,120 –> 01:04:29,680
hard drive in case it disappears
from the Internet.

1216
01:04:29,680 –> 01:04:31,800
We might have to upload it again
someday.

1217
01:04:31,840 –> 01:04:35,080
Yeah, I have three in a
possible, I would say maybe 4

1218
01:04:35,400 –> 01:04:38,080
black movies that I say that
especially for any black

1219
01:04:38,080 –> 01:04:41,440
creatives, just to make sure
that you aren’t doing no house

1220
01:04:41,440 –> 01:04:44,720
*** shit.
But like the first one is I

1221
01:04:44,720 –> 01:04:46,120
guess I’ll do it in
chronological order.

1222
01:04:46,120 –> 01:04:50,240
So the spook to sit by the door
1985 is Robert Townsend

1223
01:04:50,320 –> 01:04:56,240
Bamboozle, 2001’s Spike Lee, I’m
Sorry 1985 Hollywood Shuffle,

1224
01:04:56,680 –> 01:05:01,200
2000 Spike Lee Bamboozled, and
then the last one would be Sorry

1225
01:05:01,200 –> 01:05:03,720
to Bother you.
All of them kind of touch on

1226
01:05:03,720 –> 01:05:06,040
different, the same point, but
different ways.

1227
01:05:06,160 –> 01:05:09,480
But it’s all that I tell,
especially young black creators

1228
01:05:09,480 –> 01:05:12,360
that when you’re making art,
those are the type of movies you

1229
01:05:12,360 –> 01:05:15,400
need to watch so that you’re not
just doing the shit.

1230
01:05:15,400 –> 01:05:18,360
Like because we see like guys
like King Bach, people that were

1231
01:05:18,360 –> 01:05:21,880
on Vine, they know who that it’s
easy to get on doing digital

1232
01:05:21,880 –> 01:05:25,360
minstrel sheet, digital minstrel
shit like just making a fool of

1233
01:05:25,360 –> 01:05:27,400
yourself.
But when you’re making art, you

1234
01:05:27,400 –> 01:05:29,400
need to look at what are you
doing?

1235
01:05:29,560 –> 01:05:31,600
Are you popping because you’re
saying something?

1236
01:05:31,600 –> 01:05:33,360
Are you popping because you’re a
clown?

1237
01:05:33,360 –> 01:05:37,120
Like that one dude that eats
watermelon and dance and a tight

1238
01:05:37,120 –> 01:05:39,280
shorts and stuff like that.
The grooving gorilla people know

1239
01:05:39,280 –> 01:05:40,720
what I’m talking about.
Yeah.

1240
01:05:40,720 –> 01:05:42,760
Like it’s certain shit, like you
need to watch.

1241
01:05:42,880 –> 01:05:45,840
I would tell everybody, but
especially young Black Aspire.

1242
01:05:45,840 –> 01:05:48,440
And creators like those are
really important movies like

1243
01:05:48,440 –> 01:05:52,160
Bamboozle and Hollywood Shuffle.
To me, they’re like, I call them

1244
01:05:52,360 –> 01:05:54,760
sister and brother movies.
They’re so related.

1245
01:05:54,760 –> 01:05:57,080
They’re telling the same story,
just 15 years apart.

1246
01:05:57,120 –> 01:06:03,520
Yeah, I actually have a signed
DVD copy of Bamboozled, which a

1247
01:06:03,520 –> 01:06:07,640
friend sent it to me because we
did a podcast about Spike Lee

1248
01:06:07,640 –> 01:06:10,000
movies.
Yeah, for a while.

1249
01:06:10,040 –> 01:06:14,600
And yeah, he sent me a copy, a
signed copy of Bamboozled that

1250
01:06:14,600 –> 01:06:17,240
he bought from Spike Lee’s
website.

1251
01:06:17,320 –> 01:06:20,000
And it’s like, thank you for
that gift that I can never

1252
01:06:20,000 –> 01:06:23,840
display anywhere in my home
where people will see it because

1253
01:06:23,880 –> 01:06:25,840
I don’t.
I don’t want people to be like,

1254
01:06:25,840 –> 01:06:28,240
oh, that’s your favorite Spike
Lee movie?

1255
01:06:28,440 –> 01:06:31,000
Interesting choice.
It’s not, but it’s a very good

1256
01:06:31,000 –> 01:06:32,640
movie.
Yeah, it’s probably his most

1257
01:06:32,640 –> 01:06:34,520
underrated movie.
Yeah, yeah.

1258
01:06:34,600 –> 01:06:37,720
Also all the movies I just named
like the average person don’t.

1259
01:06:37,880 –> 01:06:41,400
I would say Hollywood Shuffle
might be the most famous because

1260
01:06:41,680 –> 01:06:45,280
Robert Townsend, but those are 4
movies people don’t really talk

1261
01:06:45,280 –> 01:06:47,560
about.
Like, nobody really talks about

1262
01:06:47,560 –> 01:06:49,640
Bamboozle when they talk about
Spike Lee movies.

1263
01:06:50,080 –> 01:06:51,960
Sorry to bother you.
It’s kind of become a cult

1264
01:06:51,960 –> 01:06:56,800
classic, but it’s kind of in
that hipster cult classic way.

1265
01:06:56,800 –> 01:07:00,000
This movie, most people never
even heard of it or seen it.

1266
01:07:00,040 –> 01:07:02,400
And then you got a, you know,
Holly and then you got

1267
01:07:02,400 –> 01:07:03,560
bamboozled.
So.

1268
01:07:03,560 –> 01:07:05,040
But yeah, they’re all really
good movies.

1269
01:07:05,160 –> 01:07:08,560
Yeah, yeah.
Watch all that and I think

1270
01:07:08,560 –> 01:07:10,240
that’s our episode, right?
Yeah.

1271
01:07:10,800 –> 01:07:13,960
John, thank you so much for
doing the pod as always, I

1272
01:07:13,960 –> 01:07:15,560
appreciate it.
Oh, no problem.

1273
01:07:15,640 –> 01:07:18,200
What do we have to plug before
we get out of here?

1274
01:07:18,200 –> 01:07:20,960
Just follow me on Blue Sky, Adam
Todd, Brown dot B, Sky dot

1275
01:07:20,960 –> 01:07:24,000
Social and there will be stuff
happening with the network soon.

1276
01:07:24,000 –> 01:07:26,400
I’ll talk about it later.
John, what do you want to plug?

1277
01:07:26,760 –> 01:07:30,400
My channel, as usual, spelled
the same way as it is on here.

1278
01:07:30,720 –> 01:07:33,280
And if you would like talking
about sports, I guess I’m still

1279
01:07:33,280 –> 01:07:36,120
on Twitter because we built that
shit brick by brick and I ain’t

1280
01:07:36,120 –> 01:07:38,920
leaving yet.
Also blue sky is fucking

1281
01:07:38,920 –> 01:07:40,600
depressing.
I’m sorry man, those people

1282
01:07:40,600 –> 01:07:44,320
could ruin the party.
Yeah, I don’t have Blue Sky on

1283
01:07:44,320 –> 01:07:46,760
my phone, and I don’t have any
social media on my phone

1284
01:07:46,760 –> 01:07:50,080
anymore, but even Blue Sky.
The only thing I appreciate

1285
01:07:50,080 –> 01:07:52,800
about Blue Sky is that they’ll
still let you use it without

1286
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having the app on your phone.
Instagram won’t, Twitter won’t,

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but Blue Sky, I can just log in
on Chrome on my phone and still

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use it.
So still use it sometimes, but

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fuck all that shit.
Look and hey, I think that’s it.

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Let’s get the fuck out of here.
John, say goodbye.

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All right.
Peace, everybody.

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Goodbye everybody, we love you.