Conspiracy! The Show 343: COINTELPRO Pt. 1: The Usual Suspects

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I.
Hey everybody, welcome to

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Conspiracy the Show.
I’m your host Adam Top Brown,

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joining me as Co host this week.
Honors here.

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How’s it going, man?
It’s a me a Connor Mcspadden.

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Also joining us, John Lewis is
here.

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What up though?
It’s the conspiracy, boys.

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With AZ and we are talking about
some shit this week.

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We’re talking about Co and his
friend Telpro.

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That’s how dumb I was.
I, I did think for a period of

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time that this was Co and
TELPRO.

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Like people and people like
conspiracy guys would bring this

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out to me.
Like, well, if you look at

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Operation Mockingbird on Co and
TELPRO, like, Oh yeah, all three

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of those things are really bad.
We’re talking about Co and

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TELPRO, which just means
counterintelligence program.

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One of my favorite things about
this is how long it took for

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people to figure that part out.
But they did eventually.

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And now we get to act like we
would have thought of it first

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the whole time.
Yeah, exactly.

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I would have put that acronym
together.

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We’re going to do a couple more
COINTELPRO episodes that will,

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like, drill down on some of the
things we’re going to talk about

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today.
But this will be more of a broad

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overview of COINTELPRO and all
of the different groups they

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spied on, assassinated in some
cases.

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You know, government shit.
Some of their favorite targets.

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Yeah, it was a massive domestic
spying program carried out by J

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Edgar Hoover’s FBI.
Officially ran from 1956 to

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1971.
Definitely ended in 1971.

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Don’t worry.
That on March 9th it had ceased

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to exist completely.
Yeah.

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And it was but an unpleasant
memory for a noble institution.

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Yeah, the FBI went back to being
pretty cool after this.

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They actually changed the
acronym to be the Federal Bureau

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of.
I don’t even care man.

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Whatever dude.
You want to traffic that shit,

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do it.
That just reminded me we should

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do a bonus episode on a spook
that sat by the door.

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Movie is fucking amazing.
I did a video on it on my main

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channel.
It’s it’s amazing and I’m not

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saying it’s right but I fucking
understand why the government

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pulled that shit.
It’s literally a step by step by

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hand.
If you were to throw, if you

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were to get some shit started.
That’s all I’m going to say.

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If you’ve never seen the movie
like extremely detailed that the

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story behind it is amazing.
So the movie itself is super

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detailed.
The entire movie it’s based on

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the book.
I ended up just buying this

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entire book just because I
thought they had way more about

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it.
But it goes into detail.

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Revolution the book, it’s
Revolution the 35mm it talks

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about the making of it.
It’s some dope shit out.

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Maybe I’ll, it might be better
if I send y’all the video I did

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on it to catch it up.
But it’s just, it’s interesting

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just how much the government was
stepping on shit because it it’s

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it’s a crazy story and the movie
is really good.

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The movie is really good.
It’s kind of become a cult

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classic at this point because
for years you couldn’t find it.

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It got pulled in most cities
after like 3 to 5 days and then

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it just disappeared for years.
Yeah, we should cover that.

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It’s too bad I can’t.
I’m not allowed to say the

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title.
No.

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Well, it’s a play on words.
Back then a spook was another

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word for a spy.
So.

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I always want to use it like
that because I think that’s a

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great term for these people
though.

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Like their job is to go scare
the shit out of you and be dead

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poltergeist like assholes.
Wait, what do you mean these

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people?
Yeah, so the 32nd rundown is

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basically the FBI was like, hey,
it is what I think the mayor or

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something.
He’s like, hey, you’re not

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polling with the blacks.
Good.

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So why don’t we get a black dude
and the FBI and we’ll say we got

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a black spoke and they the whole
goal was to get him in just so

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they could say they do it and
not really give him any real

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responsibility.
But it’s a really interesting

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movie.
It’s on YouTube.

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Y’all should be able to search
YouTube for free.

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So the first thing I want to
talk about when it comes to

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COINTELPRO, and this is a thing
we probably will do a longer

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episode about, but the way
COINTELPRO was found out is

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fascinating.
It happened because of an

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activist group called the
Citizens Commission to

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investigate the FBI.
There was a very famous fight

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March 8th, 1971 fight of the
century, Ali versus Frazier.

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Muhammad Ali, famously A leftist
figure, opposed the Vietnam War.

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I didn’t realize Joe Frazier was
like a conservative basically

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and supported the war, but
apparently that was the case.

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The Citizens Commission to
investigate the FBI used this

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fight as cover to break into an
FBI office in Media, PA.

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Why is there an FBI office in
Media, PA?

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Oh.
Sorry, you’d store media.

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I guess, yeah.
What an ironic name for a remote

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location.
It’s.

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Like, yeah, it’s in stuff to do
Wyoming.

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I googled it and the first thing
that comes up is a picture of an

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Arboretum.
I mean, I guess if you’re going

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to put the FBI, it is, it’s kind
of good to put it somewhere

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boring because if it ever gets
raided, you’re going to notice a

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bunch of random trucks coming.
I’ve also heard that they kind

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of put shit in out of the way
places so it’s like, well we can

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restart the government in Omaha
after the nuclear bombs fall

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because they’ll forget to get
Omaha because who the fuck

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remembers Omaha like.
I personally love Maha.

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Apparently Media PA is just a
suburb of Philadelphia so I

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guess that makes more sense.
I was.

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I hear that name and I’m
picturing them just driving out

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to farmland and there’s like a
stand alone FBI office there.

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It’s like a country strawberry
farm, like a little wooden

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shack.
It’s a.

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Corn silo.
He’s got in a black suit and a

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straw hat.
And they were hoping the

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building manager and anyone else
who was present would just be

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too preoccupied with updates
about the fight to notice any

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break in.
And they were right.

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Apparently this fight wasn’t
even broadcast on television or

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radio.
They could only do a summary of

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each round after the round
happened.

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But there was no TV coverage and
no radio.

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That’s surprising because Sonny
Liston one and two were those

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were closed circuits because I
did a video about Muhammad Ali.

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Well, just this book boxing in a
mob and how crazy that shit was.

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And that happened before this
fight and they started doing

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closed circuit fights before
that.

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So that’s weird that this fight
wasn’t at least closed circuit

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TV.
Yeah, I wonder, isn’t this the

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one that was in Manila?
I wonder if it was because of

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the local.
Oh, maybe, maybe.

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That’s probably why I think it
was the Rumble in the Jungle.

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Thrill in Manila.
Are those two different fights?

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I thought they were the same.
I think, but they might.

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I don’t know.
It’s not even.

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Who the fuck do I know?
I don’t know, maybe I only I

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have no idea where Manila is
actually.

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That it’s in the Philippines.
In the envelope capital of the

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Philippines.
Oh no, if it’s in the

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Philippines that’s two different
fights then, because the Rumble

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in the jungle is where the Alibo
Mayet chant came from.

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Fight of the Century was at
Madison Square Garden.

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Yeah.
Why the hell was it not on TV?

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That’s what this episode’s
about.

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Now we got to figure out why.
Yeah.

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It’s just like when you want to
watch the Laker game, but then

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you can’t watch it because you
live in LA for some reason.

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Oh OK it was on.
OK the source I read it was

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confusing.
The way they put it, it was

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broadcast on closed circuit.
That’s what I was about to say

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because.
It wasn’t on like regular TV or

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the radio.
Yeah, closed circuit because the

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Loki, the Mafia invented that
shit.

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Yeah, that doesn’t surprise me.
So yeah, they were hoping

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everyone would be too distracted
with that fight to notice this

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break in.
And they were right.

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It took some doing.
They almost gave up at one point

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because the lock pick they
brought, he picked a lock and

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then just in real movie fashion
type of shit picks this lock,

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opens the door, and there’s just
another lock that he wasn’t able

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to pick on a different door
inside that.

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But then they managed to get in
a different way.

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They take all these files and in
those files they discover the

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existence of a series of FBI
efforts to spy on American

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citizens sent the files to the
New York Times, LA Times,

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Washington Post, New York Times.
And LA Times refused to publish

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them.
Washington Post, only one that

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agreed to do it initially, but
other outlets followed suit

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after they did.
The entire trove of stolen files

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were eventually published as the
March 1972 issue of Win

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magazine, a journal associated
with the War Resistors League.

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You can still read it.
We’ll link to it in the show

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notes.
But it’s government files, so

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it’s not easy reading.
That’s for God damn sure.

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That sounds like a really old
magazine.

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Like I’d brush past that for to
get to an issue of Life or

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something.
You know, like, yeah, win and

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buy War Bonds while you’re at
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And the cover of the magazine is
great because it looks so

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festive.
It’s got like really fun font.

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But also the title is just FBI
Cointel profiles or whatever the

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fuck.
It was an NBC reporter named

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Carl Stern who noted the
repeated use of the word

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COINTELPRO in the files.
And at the time, no one knew

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what it meant.
No one was willing to tell him.

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So NBC sued the FBI, and that’s
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meant.
They were like her cool little

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older brother.
They wouldn’t tell us before

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that.
Yeah, like you wouldn’t even get

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it if I did tell you.
Yeah, it’s like, who are you?

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Shohei Otani.
Like, he had that photo shoot

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with his dog.
And then everyone’s like, what’s

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your dog’s name?
He’s like, I’m not going to tell

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you.
We’ll find out later.

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And it did take weeks before
people figured out that dog’s

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name.
I respect the commitment to your

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dog’s privacy.
But you’re also putting a

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baseball card out with your
dog’s face on it.

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Pick a lane.
Oh, tawny.

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So let’s talk about J Edgar
Hoover.

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COINTELPRO was basically his pet
project.

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It was his doing.
In October of 38, he approached

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FDR to ask for expanded powers
to spy on Americans.

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At that time, it was fascists we
were worried about.

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There were all these fascist
regimes popping up in Europe and

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we were worried they were going
to take hold here and replace

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the fascist regime we’ve been
building for all these years

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that.
‘D be kind of fucked up if we

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did all this work and then
someone just swooped in and used

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our fascist infrastructure that
we created to dominate and

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control our civilians.
Exactly.

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How about a little continuity of
fascism, please?

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There was a bill in 1939 called
the Smith Act that has been

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called one of the toughest
restrictions on free speech in

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history.
It outlawed any talk about

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overthrowing the government,
outlawed joining any group that

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advocated for the overthrow of
the government.

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And when people were like, well,
what exactly do you mean by

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overthrow the government?
The government was like, you

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know, whatever.
Like they never really defined

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what do you mean like completely
topple the government?

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Or do you mean the government is
shitty to black people and women

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and you want to change that?
Because it seems like it was

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that it seems like overthrow
meant more challenged the status

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quo than actually toppled
government.

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Well, they did something smart,
which was they left themselves a

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lot of room for oppressing.
You know, sometimes you go

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around depressing people, but
you really zero in on one group.

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And then once you fucking
haunted them to extinction, you

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sit around with your Dick in
your hand.

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Not fucking good.
J Edgar Hoover, This guy knew

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how to do it.
It’s kind of like how communist

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never really had a definition.
It was just some *** over there

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making sandwiches for poor kids.
Communist, it’s just, it’s just

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whatever the government felt.
It’s like anything that’s trying

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to affect the government
whatsoever in any way.

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You could be going around
marching for free school lunches

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and you could be you’re trying
to affect a sub decision of the

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government I mean.
Yeah, and that seems like is

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exactly how they applied it.
Also, the FBI, especially under

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J Edgar Hoover, I feel like
forever, but especially under

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Hoover.
Their main goal really was just

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upholding the status quo.
If you were part of a group that

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was challenging the way America
works in any way, you were a

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problem.
Fucking environmental groups,

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civil rights groups, the KKK,
which we’ll get to that.

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That part was pretty funny.
And the status quo this time was

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black people are 3/5, women have
no rights and certain parts of

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European aren’t really white.
Yeah, pretty much.

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Yeah, I was.
I’m technically Mexican under

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the system.
I mean you, well you that last

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name they used to beat y’all so
much they came up with the

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nickname of Patty Wagon is throw
in Irish people.

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That’s actually where that’s arm
comes from.

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They used to beat up so many
Irish people and just toss them

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in the Paddy wagon.
Like Italians, Irish, Polish

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weren’t they were white.
They were like second class

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white back then.
And they’ll fuck you up for

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trying to get some rights.
So when FDR gave Hoover this, he

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basically gives him the sign off
to spy on people and he told

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Hoover keep it to like
foreigners and you just.

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Don’t look into, just don’t look
into what’s under this blanket

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on my lap, Yeah.
He told him to limit it to just

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like foreigners and use wiretaps
in a limited capacity and Hoover

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was like fuck you, I’m going to
do pretty much whatever I want.

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So eventually FDR dies in office
and Hoover has this secret

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agreement in place.
And now Harry Truman’s

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president, he sends a memo to
Truman and is like, by the way,

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I had this agreement in place
with FDR, mentions nothing about

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the only spying on foreigners
using limited wiretaps.

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He’s like, I had this agreement
in place.

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Can we extend that?
And Harry Truman not only says

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yes, but he specifically tells
him, don’t tell me if you’re

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doing anything illegal, which
that’s the president who dropped

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a nuclear weapon in wartime for
you.

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God damn.
Yeah.

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When I read that, I was like,
God, what does he mean?

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You’re not supposed to do that.
You’re the president.

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Yeah, yeah, it’s terrifying.
I mean, he was a judge, if I

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recall correctly.
So it is, it is kind of smart.

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Yeah, Keep me out of it.
So there were a few years

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between Hoover getting FDR and
Truman’s blessing to spy on

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Americans and that becoming an
official program.

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COINTELPRO officially launched
in August 1956, and the first

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target was the Communist Party.
But also at the time you were

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just a communist.
If you weren’t doing what the

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government wanted you to do,
like they would just call you a

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communist.
You’ve only got 1 kid.

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What are you a gay communist?
Buy another .7 cars, be an

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American.
That’s kind of how Hoover

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thought, though.
He was obsessed with communism

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and everyone he spied on, he
would somehow twist it to be

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whether influenced by
communists.

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He thought Martin Luther King
was a communist.

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Martin Luther King, who very
famously wrote a long essay

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about how communism and
Christianity were not

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compatible.
But Hoover was convinced MLK was

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a communist I.
Mean probably by the end of his

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life, he was the shit that got
him killed when he started those

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later speeches where he talks
about I fear how the what’s he

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the exact quote?
I fear I forget.

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I don’t want to mess with the
exact quote, but he basically he

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was becoming more radical during
the last the later years of his

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life.
He had his like own Tupac

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Machiavelli period where he was
like going all Hail Mary and

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aggressive.
Yeah.

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So I mean, first, depending what
you what you consider a

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communist, he probably was.
I don’t know.

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That’s the thing.
They never really say what a

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communist is.
Well, Tupac never really went

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around calling himself a
communist, but he talked a lot

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about like community organizing
through gangs and shit that

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like, I don’t know, some people
have interpreted as communist

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ideas.
Certain certainly was like a

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leftist, anti, you know, anti
government figure both of them

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on some level.
Yeah, pretty much anything left

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it could be considered communist
in America.

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Hoover was also obsessed with
the idea that homosexuals were

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communists because they both
like, live secret lives and

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don’t tell people what they’re
really up to.

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So he was like, gay people are
communists.

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If I ban all the gay guys then
there will be no gay guy but me

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and then no one can prove
anything really cured.

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It’s all of this stuff is like
all this, the projection and

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hate and fear and loathing it
just, it all reeks of I’d need a

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hug.
Have you ever seen like a photo

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of J Edgar Hoover?
There’s just misery in every

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line in his haggard face.
Isn’t that him that used to walk

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around in women’s stockings and
shit like that?

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Yeah, there’s all kinds of
rumors and shit.

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I don’t know much about it, but
I know there’s a lot of that

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going on.
These people claim there is.

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Yeah, I’ve heard the rumors
about him, you know, wearing

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women’s clothes and stuff.
It’s Here’s the thing.

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Which that’s the only cool thing
he ever did.

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And it’s almost funnier if he
didn’t.

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But history has just painted him
that way because that’s what the

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FBI was doing in the 70s.
They were like this guy, fucking

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communist.
And he wasn’t.

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They just wanted him fired from
his job.

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Maybe the FBI put this out there
so that no one would ever take

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his his pet creation seriously.
They’re like, yeah, it’s a bunch

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of pantyhose wearing fruits over
there in the Bureau.

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So there was early on in
COINTELPRO, there was this

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incident that happened where 2
British diplomats were found to

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be Russian spies and they were
also gay.

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So Hoover was like fuck, I’m
right, all gay people are

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communists.
And he launched this initiative

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called the Sex Deviants Program.
It was a program designed to

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find and fire any gay people
working in government.

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This fucking program carried on
for 25 five years and by the

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time it ended the FBI had
300,000 pages of files on known

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or suspected homosexuals.
That is nuts.

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And here we see Adam Todd Brown
shopping for a vase and really

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taking his time.
Right.

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Like imagine being a straight
guy that got fired just because

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you too fucking stylish.
Like you wore your third pair of

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shoes to work that month.
This mother fucking guy.

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How many?
Pairs of shoes and that’s.

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What kind of shit it was though,
It was just if you were doing

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anything that like conservative
white dudes didn’t do, you’re

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probably a communist.
Cream in your coffee.

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All right, buddy, You know,
like.

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We’ve seen that before.
He also launched something

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called the Responsibilities
Program, which was literally

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just the government canceling
people.

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If the feds found out you were
part of a socialist group or a

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communist group or just didn’t
love America enough, they would

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literally call your boss at work
and be like, listen, it’s kind

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of your responsibility to fire
this person because they’re a

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communist and you don’t want
communist working for you, do

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you?
They had a whole program that

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was just that, just firing
people for their political

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belief.
I was, I’m just thinking of

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every boss I’ve ever had at
every TV show I’ve ever written

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for, and every single one of
them would have fired me in 2

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seconds if they got a call from
someone that sounded like they

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were from the government.
They’re saying little Connor’s

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been going to too many Leftover
Crack concerts.

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Yeah, people have a thing with
authority, that’s how.

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Remember that case where the guy
was like calling fast food

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restaurants?
Yeah, having people stripped

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down and stuff.
Yeah, that’s just people

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thinking, Oh well, this is an
authority figure, I have to do

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whatever the fuck they say.
I mean, it’s, you know, it’s

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scary.
It’s the, what is the

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government, if not the old, the
big bad mom and daddy behind

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your tax return?
You know, like, yeah, if they

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ever came fucking with me, I’d
probably bitch out.

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I probably wouldn’t publish the
papers and give the interview.

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I don’t know.
I mean, I don’t know, maybe I

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would.
It’s a lot to fight.

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Government is fucking huge.
I don’t want to have to eat

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prison food, you know what I
mean?

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Yeah, that, that’s for sure.
Yeah.

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I mean, I’d probably just go on
the run that would like, that’d

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be like being on The Amazing
Race a little bit.

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It would be fun to see.
And there’s no better obituary

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than gunned down in his prime by
the FBI.

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Yeah, exactly.
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco

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and Firearms, they’re
immortalized.

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I used to read some of these
articles a few years ago I would

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do I was making videos on them
and I told the story before.

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I’m still like 90% sure that my
house was bugged I swear to God.

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So like in 2020, I was with a
group in Detroit.

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We were doing like actual like
activism work on the ground.

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This was right.
This was I figured what year

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George, what month George Floyd
happened.

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But this was like before every
day got crazy.

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We were just doing books on the
ground stuff.

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And at the same time I was
starting my YouTube channel.

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So I was reading different FBI
files and I swear to God for

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like 4 months, this is after I
left the group, I would walk up

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the stairs, my ex would text me
like you have to come up, ain’t

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you?
The entire Wi-Fi which is shut

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down every single day for four
months.

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I don’t know what the fuck
happened.

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I never had any explanation and
I was like, you know what the

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fuck that I’m about to start
making videos about movies.

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So I kind of left that alone.
The weirdest thing, I’ve never

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had anything experience like
that in my life, and it was

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around the same time I started
reading FBI files, making videos

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about them.
So COINTELPRO ran into a big

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problem early on in that it’s
whole existence was justified by

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communists running rampant in
the United States.

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In 1956 when it was started,
they believed there were around

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20,000 communists in the
country.

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By the next year, that number
was adjusted to 3000.

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So now they’re like, well,
that’s not even enough

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communists to fucking hunt down,
so we got to find something else

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to target.
And good thing for them the

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civil rights movement was
underway by that point because

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the Rosa Parks arrest happened
in 1955, which was a year before

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the official launch of
COINTELPRO.

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And then in 1957, a year after
the launch of COINTELPRO, Martin

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Luther King Junior and friends
founded the Southern Christian

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Leadership Conference.
And this should be mentioned,

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this is a second wave of civil
rights.

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I dropped it mentioned, but
before white flight.

437
00:22:36,080 –> 00:22:39,560
It’s about how pretty much
suburbs were created starting

438
00:22:39,560 –> 00:22:42,240
with Atlanta.
The first wave was with Martin

439
00:22:42,240 –> 00:22:46,000
Luther King Senior and they were
just moving too slow.

440
00:22:46,000 –> 00:22:48,400
It was like performative and
stuff like that.

441
00:22:48,680 –> 00:22:51,120
And shout out to my OG doctor
Jared Ball.

442
00:22:51,120 –> 00:22:52,560
I had him on my channel a few
times.

443
00:22:52,560 –> 00:22:56,240
One of his sayings is Martin
Luther King is the most known

444
00:22:56,240 –> 00:22:58,960
and least understood person in
human history.

445
00:22:59,240 –> 00:23:02,160
It’s a reason they were calling
him a radical back then, because

446
00:23:02,240 –> 00:23:05,480
the shit they were doing was
radical compared to what the

447
00:23:05,480 –> 00:23:07,640
first wave of civil rights was
doing.

448
00:23:07,840 –> 00:23:09,800
They were doing like
performative stuff, like, yeah,

449
00:23:09,800 –> 00:23:12,720
riding on the bus, but it was
all scripted out and stuff.

450
00:23:12,720 –> 00:23:15,480
And then when MLK and his folks
came through, they like, Nah,

451
00:23:15,480 –> 00:23:17,520
fuck this.
We’re doing sit insurance at the

452
00:23:17,520 –> 00:23:22,160
lunch counter and we’re we’re
going to put Rosa Parks in the

453
00:23:22,160 –> 00:23:24,520
whites only section and that
stuff like that.

454
00:23:24,720 –> 00:23:28,280
They, it’s reason that stuff had
an effect because it was

455
00:23:28,320 –> 00:23:32,120
organized within itself, but it
was so far from what people had

456
00:23:32,120 –> 00:23:34,160
expected.
They were like, y’all moving too

457
00:23:34,160 –> 00:23:36,080
slow.
We’re in our early 20s.

458
00:23:36,080 –> 00:23:37,200
We’re about to get shit
cracking.

459
00:23:37,400 –> 00:23:40,880
Yeah, Hoover was especially
obsessed with MLKI.

460
00:23:41,160 –> 00:23:43,160
Mean right, right.
I mean, I don’t agree with him,

461
00:23:43,160 –> 00:23:45,560
but rightfully so.
He he was very charismatic.

462
00:23:45,560 –> 00:23:48,160
They was getting shit done.
I mean, if you were villain, you

463
00:23:48,160 –> 00:23:50,560
want to be like, man, this guy,
you got it going on.

464
00:23:51,080 –> 00:23:55,040
Yeah, and if you’re working for
an outfit that is hell bent on

465
00:23:55,040 –> 00:23:58,400
upholding the way things are in
the United States.

466
00:23:58,600 –> 00:24:00,920
Like he will.
You can’t have anybody doing

467
00:24:01,040 –> 00:24:04,080
what I would like to think of as
like, Jesus shit where you get a

468
00:24:04,080 –> 00:24:07,480
guy with some good ideas
bringing together the poor and

469
00:24:07,480 –> 00:24:10,240
the tired.
No, no, no, that, no, that’s too

470
00:24:10,240 –> 00:24:13,120
Jesusy.
That is way better than whatever

471
00:24:13,120 –> 00:24:15,440
fucking regime mom and dad
government could cook up.

472
00:24:15,440 –> 00:24:18,000
You know, much more appealing.
I think you’re totally right.

473
00:24:18,000 –> 00:24:20,840
It’s a great target if you’re,
you know, trying to maintain

474
00:24:20,840 –> 00:24:23,440
continuity of tyranny in the
United States.

475
00:24:23,680 –> 00:24:27,480
And wasn’t it Hoover who said
that they were trying to prevent

476
00:24:27,840 –> 00:24:30,360
a black Messiah?
Yeah, I think so pretty.

477
00:24:30,400 –> 00:24:33,560
Sure, that was J Edgar Hoover.
Wow, that sounds like a really

478
00:24:33,560 –> 00:24:37,480
fucking great intro to like a
Nos album like Kedgar Hoover.

479
00:24:37,480 –> 00:24:40,200
Like we need to stop the rise of
the Black Messiah, right?

480
00:24:40,600 –> 00:24:43,480
Yeah, if people don’t want to do
any further reading, but you

481
00:24:43,480 –> 00:24:45,120
want to watch a good movie about
this shit?

482
00:24:45,600 –> 00:24:47,000
Judas and the Black Messiah?
Oh.

483
00:24:47,240 –> 00:24:49,320
Yes, really good movie.
Really good.

484
00:24:49,320 –> 00:24:51,520
Amazing.
Assassination of Fred Hampton.

485
00:24:51,760 –> 00:24:56,720
So yeah, he thought MLK was just
a threat to the American way of

486
00:24:56,720 –> 00:24:58,680
life.
He also thought he was using his

487
00:24:58,680 –> 00:25:03,040
popularity to push communism.
Of course I read one of the

488
00:25:03,440 –> 00:25:07,160
sources I used for this was a
really short like timeline

489
00:25:07,160 –> 00:25:10,160
overview kind of book about Go
and Tell Pro.

490
00:25:10,160 –> 00:25:11,600
I’ll link to it in the show
notes.

491
00:25:11,920 –> 00:25:15,920
The only reason I mentioned that
is because of this quote from

492
00:25:15,920 –> 00:25:18,000
that book, which is absolutely
adorable.

493
00:25:18,160 –> 00:25:20,400
Here goes.
Many historians have also

494
00:25:20,400 –> 00:25:24,040
suggested that Hoover was a
racist and that he was opposed

495
00:25:24,040 –> 00:25:27,600
to the Civil rights movement and
King’s growing role and fame.

496
00:25:27,720 –> 00:25:30,480
End Quote.
No, I don’t talk about J Edgar

497
00:25:30,480 –> 00:25:32,560
Hoover that way.
Racist.

498
00:25:32,920 –> 00:25:38,160
They suggested.
History has suggested he might

499
00:25:38,160 –> 00:25:40,360
have been racist.
You know why his last name’s

500
00:25:40,360 –> 00:25:41,360
Hoover.
Why?

501
00:25:41,600 –> 00:25:48,040
Because he sucks.
Oh, like the vacuum?

502
00:25:48,760 –> 00:25:50,280
I thought that was going
somewhere else.

503
00:25:50,280 –> 00:25:52,720
I didn’t know where, but yeah, I
just.

504
00:25:53,160 –> 00:25:55,080
‘Cause he’s a damn.
Fool.

505
00:25:56,320 –> 00:26:00,680
Maybe he wasn’t racist by 1956
standards, I guess.

506
00:26:00,720 –> 00:26:02,520
I don’t know.
Yeah, that’s the thing.

507
00:26:02,520 –> 00:26:06,560
You everyone was a little racist
if you were white in the 90s.

508
00:26:08,160 –> 00:26:09,680
It would.
It would be weird if you

509
00:26:09,680 –> 00:26:14,200
weren’t.
Yeah, like even the progressives

510
00:26:14,200 –> 00:26:17,640
were probably pretty fucking
racist at the end of the day.

511
00:26:17,840 –> 00:26:19,920
Like if you went in there
talking about like the plight of

512
00:26:19,920 –> 00:26:22,160
African Americans would be like
African or what now?

513
00:26:22,840 –> 00:26:25,640
Yeah.
And yeah, I also won’t hear any

514
00:26:25,640 –> 00:26:31,160
suggestion that racism was
involved in J Edgar Hoover’s

515
00:26:31,160 –> 00:26:35,800
decision to start around the
clock surveillance on MLK in

516
00:26:35,800 –> 00:26:40,120
1962.
There’s a pretty famous memo out

517
00:26:40,120 –> 00:26:44,000
there that it’s real, It’s
BeenVerified, We’ll link to it.

518
00:26:44,160 –> 00:26:47,880
But this FBI agent, basically,
he goes to Hoover and is like,

519
00:26:48,040 –> 00:26:51,760
yeah, I, I actually don’t think
MLK is a communist.

520
00:26:51,960 –> 00:26:54,680
And I don’t think he’s like,
doing anything to promote

521
00:26:54,680 –> 00:26:57,160
communism.
And Hoover was like, yeah, you

522
00:26:57,160 –> 00:26:59,360
do.
You actually do think that.

523
00:26:59,480 –> 00:27:02,280
And maybe you should, you know,
come back with a different memo.

524
00:27:02,480 –> 00:27:05,360
And sure enough, that guy came
back and was like, yeah, Martin

525
00:27:05,360 –> 00:27:07,920
Luther King is the biggest
threat to the United States as

526
00:27:07,920 –> 00:27:10,120
it relates to communism going
forward.

527
00:27:10,280 –> 00:27:14,000
So Hoover was a racist.
There was no fucking ifs, ands

528
00:27:14,000 –> 00:27:16,200
or buts about it.
J Edgar Hoover was fucking

529
00:27:16,200 –> 00:27:19,080
racist, but apparently history’s
still on the fence.

530
00:27:19,240 –> 00:27:22,680
I don’t think I knew RFK signed
the warrant authorizing the

531
00:27:22,680 –> 00:27:26,120
wiretapping of MLK.
You know, it’s funny that it

532
00:27:26,120 –> 00:27:28,200
came up in the show.
I just saw that I was reading

533
00:27:28,200 –> 00:27:31,080
his Wikipedia or something like
a few weeks ago or a month ago

534
00:27:31,080 –> 00:27:33,640
and I saw that and I was like,
no, there’s a rare demerit for

535
00:27:33,640 –> 00:27:37,520
our old Bobby Kennedy.
I think he I I can sort of maybe

536
00:27:37,520 –> 00:27:40,520
buy the I think there’s so many
reasonings that he’s like, I

537
00:27:40,520 –> 00:27:43,440
wanted to show that there was
nothing to like fear there and

538
00:27:43,440 –> 00:27:46,520
nothing anti American there or
whatever, which, you know, I’m

539
00:27:46,520 –> 00:27:50,560
sure I wouldn’t say the MLK was
anti American, at least not the,

540
00:27:50,640 –> 00:27:53,600
you know, ideals of America.
I’d, you know, prefer it embody.

541
00:27:53,600 –> 00:27:55,480
But Jager Hoover felt
differently.

542
00:27:56,120 –> 00:27:58,200
Yeah.
So maybe by maybe at best he’s

543
00:27:58,200 –> 00:27:59,920
naive, I would say You know what
I mean.

544
00:28:00,080 –> 00:28:03,080
I mean, just cause knowing what
I know about black radical

545
00:28:03,080 –> 00:28:06,680
thought, I will say he probably
would he was anti American, but

546
00:28:06,680 –> 00:28:09,840
for all the right reasons.
Because being pro American is

547
00:28:09,840 –> 00:28:14,480
saying, yeah, I’m fine with
segregation, segregated parks,

548
00:28:14,520 –> 00:28:16,600
blacks getting less voting
right.

549
00:28:16,600 –> 00:28:20,920
So if the argument is he’s anti
American because he’s not with

550
00:28:20,920 –> 00:28:23,640
that shit yet.
But so you know, it depends

551
00:28:23,640 –> 00:28:25,000
what’s the question you’re
asking?

552
00:28:25,200 –> 00:28:27,640
I would say most people in the
civil rights era were anti

553
00:28:27,640 –> 00:28:30,000
American because of what America
stood for at the time.

554
00:28:30,120 –> 00:28:34,680
This is a quote from RFK Junior
about his dad wiretapping MLK.

555
00:28:34,840 –> 00:28:37,600
They were betting not only the
Civil Rights movement but their

556
00:28:37,600 –> 00:28:41,200
own careers, and they knew that
Hoover was out to ruin King.

557
00:28:41,480 –> 00:28:44,440
There was good reason for them
doing that at the time, because

558
00:28:44,440 –> 00:28:47,080
J Edgar Hoover was out to
destroy Martin Luther King in

559
00:28:47,080 –> 00:28:49,800
the Civil Rights movement, and
Hoover said to them that Martin

560
00:28:49,800 –> 00:28:52,360
Luther King’s chief was a
communist.

561
00:28:52,800 –> 00:28:55,560
My father gave permission to
Hoover to wiretap them so he

562
00:28:55,560 –> 00:28:59,280
could prove that his suspicions
about King were either right or

563
00:28:59,280 –> 00:29:01,160
wrong.
And it’s like, Oh well, when you

564
00:29:01,160 –> 00:29:04,040
put it that way, I still have no
fucking idea what you’re talking

565
00:29:04,040 –> 00:29:05,960
about.
I got to stop you there, Adam.

566
00:29:05,960 –> 00:29:08,840
You said that was RFK junior.
Yeah, you might need to redo

567
00:29:08,840 –> 00:29:10,880
that quote with the voice.
I was going to try.

568
00:29:12,200 –> 00:29:15,440
Throw your fucking throat out.
Yeah, and not only.

569
00:29:16,760 –> 00:29:18,240
No, I can’t.
That’s too much.

570
00:29:18,600 –> 00:29:21,400
I’ve been frequently told by
conspiracy the show listeners

571
00:29:21,400 –> 00:29:25,160
that I remind them of Otto, the
bus driver from The Simpsons

572
00:29:26,720 –> 00:29:31,800
with the way my voice sounds.
Years of smoking and even my

573
00:29:31,800 –> 00:29:34,800
voice is not fucked up enough to
do a really compelling RFK.

574
00:29:35,360 –> 00:29:38,400
Yeah, you got to have the brain
worm doesn’t work otherwise.

575
00:29:38,560 –> 00:29:43,080
And yeah, that explanation from
him it, they did it to prove

576
00:29:43,080 –> 00:29:45,480
that his suspicions were either
right or wrong.

577
00:29:45,680 –> 00:29:49,640
Well, yeah, yeah, that’s of
course that’s what you’re trying

578
00:29:49,640 –> 00:29:51,680
to prove, is that you’re right
or wrong.

579
00:29:51,840 –> 00:29:54,800
That’s not a justification.
Also, did they not know what a

580
00:29:54,800 –> 00:29:57,880
socialist was back then?
I can probably not.

581
00:29:57,880 –> 00:30:00,440
Most nobody.
Has ever known what a socialist

582
00:30:00,440 –> 00:30:03,120
is?
Unfortunately, at least not in

583
00:30:03,120 –> 00:30:04,880
America.
We don’t understand the fine

584
00:30:04,880 –> 00:30:06,880
points between these terms at
all.

585
00:30:07,120 –> 00:30:09,280
Right, that’s what I’m saying,
especially when you’re talking

586
00:30:09,280 –> 00:30:11,880
about right wing, these these
words mean nothing.

587
00:30:11,880 –> 00:30:15,840
You just it’s just a good way of
it’s like it’s just dog whizz

588
00:30:15,840 –> 00:30:17,560
was at the end of the day, the
terms don’t really mean

589
00:30:17,680 –> 00:30:19,240
anything.
They just feel like it’s just a

590
00:30:19,240 –> 00:30:21,280
good way of saying investigate
them. *** over there.

591
00:30:21,560 –> 00:30:22,760
It doesn’t mean what they were
calling.

592
00:30:22,760 –> 00:30:25,040
That’s what they were doing it
like oh, the Black Panthers,

593
00:30:25,520 –> 00:30:29,600
Martin Luther King, Kwame Torre,
go investigate them.

594
00:30:29,600 –> 00:30:31,280
This black people trying to get
progress.

595
00:30:31,280 –> 00:30:34,440
Oh the women, they trying to get
rights, go investigate them.

596
00:30:34,440 –> 00:30:37,600
The gays go investigate them.
It’s all the dark whistle.

597
00:30:37,600 –> 00:30:40,160
It’s like now.
We might call them terrorists or

598
00:30:40,160 –> 00:30:42,000
something.
Now, if the socialist was all

599
00:30:42,000 –> 00:30:44,280
played out, if we couldn’t find
an angle that you know, it’s

600
00:30:44,280 –> 00:30:47,400
whatever the term that has
purchases of the day.

601
00:30:47,600 –> 00:30:50,640
Yeah, it’s how we went from woke
to DEI to have they come up with

602
00:30:50,640 –> 00:30:52,400
a new one yet.
Is are they still on DEI?

603
00:30:52,400 –> 00:30:53,680
Did they come up with a new one
yet?

604
00:30:53,960 –> 00:30:57,360
I think DEI is a hot one, but
they ran woken to the ground.

605
00:30:58,400 –> 00:31:02,040
Before that it was affirmative
action had a not hot little run.

606
00:31:02,240 –> 00:31:06,360
Yeah, kind of a like a Bush era,
you know, early Obama.

607
00:31:06,520 –> 00:31:09,200
The thing once we got in the mid
to late Obama, we started

608
00:31:09,200 –> 00:31:11,720
hearing about woke.
Yeah, well, that’s when we fixed

609
00:31:11,720 –> 00:31:14,840
racism, I mean.
The three of us.

610
00:31:15,120 –> 00:31:18,960
Yeah, yes, we personal.
I don’t know if I shared it,

611
00:31:19,120 –> 00:31:22,520
it’s not really a theory.
Is Loki kind of improvable that

612
00:31:22,760 –> 00:31:25,720
Donald Glover is the reason why
people discovered Woke because

613
00:31:25,720 –> 00:31:28,040
of his song Redbone?
Good fucking song.

614
00:31:28,240 –> 00:31:31,000
Yeah, it’s a good song, but woke
had been a term among black

615
00:31:31,000 –> 00:31:35,080
folks for years, I think dating
back to at least the 1950s.

616
00:31:35,080 –> 00:31:40,560
But because of that bar so stay
woke *** creeping Ever since

617
00:31:40,560 –> 00:31:42,040
then white folks start running
out.

618
00:31:42,040 –> 00:31:45,680
I’m woke I’m woke and within 3-4
years Republicans Co opted.

619
00:31:45,680 –> 00:31:46,760
Then we stopped saying that
shit.

620
00:31:46,760 –> 00:31:48,480
It turned into bling bling.
Yeah.

621
00:31:48,600 –> 00:31:53,360
Yeah, we have this like termite,
like ability to really just ruin

622
00:31:53,720 –> 00:31:56,440
words and culture as soon as we
get access to it.

623
00:31:56,520 –> 00:32:00,240
Because I remember, I remember
before the term woke was ruined,

624
00:32:00,520 –> 00:32:03,400
It was a good way to say, well,
actually, there’s a lot of

625
00:32:03,400 –> 00:32:06,160
fucking chemicals in your
deodorant, you know, or

626
00:32:06,160 –> 00:32:09,120
whatever, whatever, like
actually true relevant thing

627
00:32:09,120 –> 00:32:11,360
that probably, you know, was
making you unhealthy or what

628
00:32:11,360 –> 00:32:13,840
have you, what have you.
And then it just became this

629
00:32:13,840 –> 00:32:17,680
like exhausting cultural
touchpoint of the myths.

630
00:32:18,320 –> 00:32:21,760
I don’t even let’s stop talking
about it as soon as possible.

631
00:32:22,480 –> 00:32:26,200
Yeah, it’s just a dog whistle
for any anything Republicans

632
00:32:26,200 –> 00:32:28,000
hate, pretty much.
But I used to be able to say

633
00:32:28,000 –> 00:32:30,760
shit like snowman eater is like
a man eater bug with 1900

634
00:32:30,760 –> 00:32:32,600
defence.
Stay woke, you know?

635
00:32:32,600 –> 00:32:33,960
And it was fun.
What?

636
00:32:34,120 –> 00:32:35,880
What?
Yu-gi-oh talk?

637
00:32:35,880 –> 00:32:36,440
Don’t worry.
About it.

638
00:32:36,440 –> 00:32:39,040
Snowman Eater.
Powerful card.

639
00:32:39,120 –> 00:32:41,400
That’s a real card, snowman
eater.

640
00:32:41,400 –> 00:32:43,880
When you flip him face up he
destroys 1 monster on the field.

641
00:32:44,000 –> 00:32:45,960
Not too bad.
What the fuck is that to do with

642
00:32:45,960 –> 00:32:48,280
woke?
Well, he’s like Man Eater Bug

643
00:32:48,280 –> 00:32:49,440
but better.
You got to stay woke.

644
00:32:49,560 –> 00:32:51,920
Man Eater Bug, you got to
activate the flip effect.

645
00:32:52,320 –> 00:32:54,200
Snowman Eater just needs to be
flipped face up.

646
00:32:54,520 –> 00:32:56,440
This is how the word died.
Yeah, I.

647
00:32:56,560 –> 00:32:58,520
Was about to say, because that’s
definitely not how you use the

648
00:32:58,520 –> 00:33:01,160
word.
It was not.

649
00:33:01,160 –> 00:33:03,320
It was not a great example, I’m
willing to admit that.

650
00:33:03,800 –> 00:33:05,640
So let’s talk about the suicide
letter.

651
00:33:05,680 –> 00:33:08,160
That’s a famous moment in
American history.

652
00:33:08,320 –> 00:33:13,560
When the FBI won, they
wiretapped every fucking room

653
00:33:13,560 –> 00:33:18,160
MLK was in, including motel
rooms, hotel rooms, everything.

654
00:33:18,240 –> 00:33:21,880
Holiday Inn.
Yep, his neck.

655
00:33:21,880 –> 00:33:24,080
His back.
His pussy and his righteous

656
00:33:24,080 –> 00:33:27,960
crack.
So they had recordings of him

657
00:33:28,120 –> 00:33:29,840
cheating on his wife.
Allegedly.

658
00:33:29,840 –> 00:33:32,200
I still don’t believe that
that’s coming from the FBI.

659
00:33:32,200 –> 00:33:33,280
Yeah.
That’s the thing.

660
00:33:33,520 –> 00:33:37,160
The joke that we had Jerry Miner
play MLK on this show I wrote on

661
00:33:37,160 –> 00:33:39,360
called Historical Roast and when
that came up he goes.

662
00:33:39,600 –> 00:33:41,320
So you heard about my other
dream?

663
00:33:43,360 –> 00:33:49,080
And so they sent this recording
to his wife along with a letter.

664
00:33:49,240 –> 00:33:53,400
And the FBI has since claimed
they were just trying to get him

665
00:33:53,400 –> 00:33:57,600
to step down as leader of the
Southern Christian Leadership

666
00:33:57,600 –> 00:33:59,760
Conference.
But most people think they were

667
00:33:59,760 –> 00:34:02,000
actually trying to get him to
commit suicide.

668
00:34:02,200 –> 00:34:06,240
There’s a line in there that
says, King, there’s only one

669
00:34:06,240 –> 00:34:09,320
thing left for you to do.
You know what it is?

670
00:34:09,480 –> 00:34:11,760
What if he read that and was
like, you’re right, I got to

671
00:34:11,760 –> 00:34:14,840
commit a matter last shooting.
Fucking I got to go shoot

672
00:34:14,840 –> 00:34:16,840
hundreds and hundreds of people.
God damn.

673
00:34:16,840 –> 00:34:20,600
Violence is the answer.
Yeah, but spoiler he didn’t kill

674
00:34:20,600 –> 00:34:22,800
himself so the government had to
do it.

675
00:34:23,679 –> 00:34:25,719
Shortly thereafter.
They also.

676
00:34:25,840 –> 00:34:28,280
I thought this was neat.
They also sent a bunch of

677
00:34:28,280 –> 00:34:32,639
compromising info about MLK to
the media and the media ignored

678
00:34:32,639 –> 00:34:36,440
it and did not publish it.
There were like some people

679
00:34:36,440 –> 00:34:38,920
who’d worked it into speeches
and shit, but there were no

680
00:34:38,920 –> 00:34:42,560
media outlets that either
covered it or even acknowledged

681
00:34:42,560 –> 00:34:44,040
that they got it.
That’s so.

682
00:34:44,120 –> 00:34:46,040
That sounds so strange to me
today.

683
00:34:46,199 –> 00:34:48,360
Yep.
And the operating theory is that

684
00:34:48,360 –> 00:34:50,440
this is because of journalistic
scruples.

685
00:34:50,440 –> 00:34:51,480
That’s crazy.
That’s all.

686
00:34:51,480 –> 00:34:55,639
I mean it’s so cool, but wow,
the past was a long time ago.

687
00:34:55,800 –> 00:34:59,280
Yeah, it was a very different
time for sure, especially in

688
00:34:59,280 –> 00:35:02,760
terms of reporting like we’re
never going to have another

689
00:35:02,760 –> 00:35:07,360
Watergate because there’s no
such thing as a scandal for

690
00:35:07,440 –> 00:35:09,520
politicians now.
There’s just things we’re mad

691
00:35:09,520 –> 00:35:12,440
about and not mad about.
I mean, the president is there.

692
00:35:12,960 –> 00:35:16,360
We’re like 60% sure he’s a kid
fucker and nobody cares.

693
00:35:16,360 –> 00:35:18,600
It’s you can’t.
There’s nothing you could do.

694
00:35:18,760 –> 00:35:21,920
And he took a fucking airplane
from the Saudis.

695
00:35:22,120 –> 00:35:23,920
Took an airplane from the
Saudis.

696
00:35:24,400 –> 00:35:28,600
And not in a party airplane, a
party licious fun time.

697
00:35:29,240 –> 00:35:32,080
If there was a fucking
Bachelorette party of airplanes

698
00:35:32,080 –> 00:35:34,600
it would be this stupid ass
giant airplane.

699
00:35:34,680 –> 00:35:38,560
Yeah, I think like Watergate
could happen now for also it

700
00:35:38,560 –> 00:35:40,680
doesn’t get talked about I think
enough.

701
00:35:40,760 –> 00:35:45,320
But in the pantheon of American
government scandals, Watergate

702
00:35:45,320 –> 00:35:48,600
is pretty fucking tame.
Oh geez, yeah, it’s a shame it

703
00:35:48,600 –> 00:35:51,280
gets all the ink, honestly.
And I kind of feel like that’s

704
00:35:51,280 –> 00:35:54,480
sort of the point because we
just talk about Watergate.

705
00:35:54,480 –> 00:35:57,520
We don’t talk about MK Ultra, we
don’t talk about COINTELPRO.

706
00:35:57,680 –> 00:36:00,440
There’s so many things that were
happening then that were so much

707
00:36:00,440 –> 00:36:01,160
worse.
How?

708
00:36:01,600 –> 00:36:04,480
How were Brandon, baby?
That’s how Oreo beat Hydrox.

709
00:36:05,840 –> 00:36:07,760
Yeah, Hydrox doesn’t sound like
a good cookie.

710
00:36:07,760 –> 00:36:10,280
Somebody’s mouth gets watering
for a fucking hydrox.

711
00:36:10,920 –> 00:36:15,080
Why did they call them hydrox?
I don’t get it some.

712
00:36:15,680 –> 00:36:19,160
Weird 1920s shit I think.
That’s nuts.

713
00:36:19,560 –> 00:36:21,640
Well, you know, You know when
you’re getting the shit kicked

714
00:36:21,640 –> 00:36:24,440
out of you by the fucking
creative team over at Trader

715
00:36:24,440 –> 00:36:28,880
Joe’s with the Jojo’s?
This is their entry into the

716
00:36:28,880 –> 00:36:31,640
into the arena.
Those are like Jojo’s sound

717
00:36:31,640 –> 00:36:34,720
delicious.
They are, they are, and every

718
00:36:34,720 –> 00:36:38,960
Christmas they have a ice cream
that is a chocolate peppermint

719
00:36:38,960 –> 00:36:41,480
ice cream that has the
peppermint Jojo’s in it.

720
00:36:42,280 –> 00:36:43,800
Yeah, it’s pretty fucked.
It’s pretty hard.

721
00:36:44,000 –> 00:36:45,640
Yeah, yeah, it’s a fucking
winner.

722
00:36:45,760 –> 00:36:48,840
Look, let’s not say capitalism
never did anything for us.

723
00:36:50,120 –> 00:36:55,680
So MLK was very opposed to the
Vietnam War, and that just added

724
00:36:55,680 –> 00:37:01,080
fuel to Hoover’s fire when it
came to the idea that MLK was a

725
00:37:01,080 –> 00:37:04,160
communist.
And so they launched a whole

726
00:37:04,160 –> 00:37:08,640
other COINTELPRO operation aimed
at black nationalist hate

727
00:37:08,640 –> 00:37:12,360
groups, but it was pretty much
just King and the SCLC.

728
00:37:12,520 –> 00:37:18,360
But then, very conveniently, a
random whack job with no

729
00:37:18,360 –> 00:37:21,200
political leanings or ties to
the government at all

730
00:37:21,360 –> 00:37:24,600
assassinated Martin Luther King
Junior so the government didn’t

731
00:37:24,600 –> 00:37:26,840
have to worry about it anymore.
The glitch worked itself out.

732
00:37:26,960 –> 00:37:30,560
What a lucky break for the US
government was not involved in

733
00:37:30,560 –> 00:37:32,680
that at all.
Kind of an unrelated thought,

734
00:37:32,680 –> 00:37:36,240
but the Southern Christian
Leadership Center sounds like is

735
00:37:36,240 –> 00:37:39,280
the most racist sounding pro
black group I’ve ever heard.

736
00:37:39,960 –> 00:37:41,760
Right.
That sounds like it should be

737
00:37:41,760 –> 00:37:45,440
the most bigoted group of the
Southern Christian Leadership

738
00:37:45,440 –> 00:37:47,280
Center.
Get off our lawn.

739
00:37:48,560 –> 00:37:51,480
But it’s like literally the
embodiment of racial progress.

740
00:37:52,000 –> 00:37:55,120
Yep, the old convenient crazy
guy glitch.

741
00:37:55,120 –> 00:37:58,000
It seems to work out in the
government’s favor all the time.

742
00:37:58,160 –> 00:38:02,320
When you for Rooster History.
So often in the 60s government

743
00:38:02,320 –> 00:38:05,920
just really lucked out that all
these random crazy people killed

744
00:38:06,120 –> 00:38:09,840
the entire high level leadership
of the civil rights movement,

745
00:38:10,480 –> 00:38:12,960
including presidents and
presidential candidates.

746
00:38:13,120 –> 00:38:15,200
And so this hasn’t happened so
much since then.

747
00:38:15,200 –> 00:38:17,640
So they must have really
invested in mental health care

748
00:38:17,640 –> 00:38:20,720
in America afterwards to make
sure that something like that

749
00:38:20,720 –> 00:38:23,680
would never happen to any new
and inspiring leaders ever

750
00:38:23,680 –> 00:38:24,800
again.
Oh, what?

751
00:38:24,800 –> 00:38:27,400
They closed hospitals?
OK Yeah.

752
00:38:27,480 –> 00:38:30,800
That’s the great Bukowski line.
It’s like the prisons are full

753
00:38:30,800 –> 00:38:35,800
and the madhouse is closed.
Born like this anyway.

754
00:38:36,040 –> 00:38:40,000
I just want to remind people
that ML KS family did sue the

755
00:38:40,000 –> 00:38:41,480
government.
So crazy.

756
00:38:41,600 –> 00:38:44,560
Alleging that they were part of
a conspiracy with a man named

757
00:38:44,560 –> 00:38:48,240
Lloyd Jowers to assassinate
Martin Luther King Junior and

758
00:38:48,240 –> 00:38:51,080
they won that lawsuit.
Snopes is the fucking

759
00:38:51,080 –> 00:38:53,360
government.
Don’t let them tell you that

760
00:38:53,640 –> 00:38:56,240
because it was a civil trial, it
doesn’t matter.

761
00:38:56,360 –> 00:38:59,200
The fucking government would
have preferred to have not been

762
00:38:59,200 –> 00:39:02,040
found liable for killing Martin
Luther King Junior.

763
00:39:02,040 –> 00:39:05,600
I fucking promise you that.
We’ve done a decade of exposing

764
00:39:05,600 –> 00:39:10,200
these like racist old fat
cracker Spooks on this program

765
00:39:10,520 –> 00:39:15,720
and a guy named Lloyd Jowers is
just on name alone and

766
00:39:15,960 –> 00:39:19,320
absolutely involved in anti
racial progress conspiracy

767
00:39:19,320 –> 00:39:21,560
theories.
No question about Lloyd Jowers.

768
00:39:21,560 –> 00:39:24,320
That’s like what Richard Nixon’s
real name was before he changed

769
00:39:24,320 –> 00:39:27,880
it for show business.
That name is insane.

770
00:39:28,200 –> 00:39:29,880
Yeah, that is a racist sounded
name.

771
00:39:29,880 –> 00:39:33,040
This is the OJ civil suits of
assassinations.

772
00:39:33,040 –> 00:39:34,480
It really, that really is
incredible.

773
00:39:34,600 –> 00:39:36,760
They beat the government.
Yeah, it’s nuts.

774
00:39:36,760 –> 00:39:41,800
Me and John did a episode about
HBO also did a like.

775
00:39:41,800 –> 00:39:47,360
They did a mock trial of James
Earl Ray and found him like he

776
00:39:47,360 –> 00:39:50,040
was found not guilty.
Now I think about it, HBO is

777
00:39:50,040 –> 00:39:52,760
Loki, like probably the most
progressive American network.

778
00:39:52,960 –> 00:39:56,920
They’re the reason the average
American knows about the Tulsa

779
00:39:56,920 –> 00:39:59,080
race riots.
Because of Watchmen, Yeah.

780
00:39:59,600 –> 00:40:01,800
Yeah, that’s a good point.
Did they do roots?

781
00:40:01,840 –> 00:40:04,360
That was the network, wasn’t it?
I think that was PBS.

782
00:40:04,560 –> 00:40:06,000
Yeah.
I don’t think everyone would

783
00:40:06,000 –> 00:40:07,760
have seen it if it was on HBO
because I remember it was

784
00:40:07,760 –> 00:40:09,360
pretty.
I know it was ubiquitous when it

785
00:40:09,360 –> 00:40:09,800
came out.
Did.

786
00:40:10,000 –> 00:40:12,440
HBO even exist by then.
I knew I was going to feel

787
00:40:12,440 –> 00:40:13,760
stupid once I asked that
question.

788
00:40:14,240 –> 00:40:17,320
Pretty sure Rose was the 80s
because it had Reading and

789
00:40:17,320 –> 00:40:19,280
Rainbow.
Early 70s.

790
00:40:19,600 –> 00:40:20,880
Oh, was that early?
Wow.

791
00:40:21,360 –> 00:40:25,080
We came out on ABC 77.
Oh, 77?

792
00:40:25,280 –> 00:40:26,400
Oh yeah.
I remember watching it.

793
00:40:26,400 –> 00:40:27,560
I was born by then.
I don’t.

794
00:40:27,760 –> 00:40:29,960
I met Levar Burton once.
Very nice guy.

795
00:40:30,200 –> 00:40:31,600
Oh yeah, I bet he would be.
Yeah.

796
00:40:31,680 –> 00:40:34,680
Fucking love Jordy.
Yeah, we talked about Trump, so

797
00:40:34,840 –> 00:40:37,000
I do like that.
There was a brief turn with

798
00:40:37,000 –> 00:40:41,320
COINTELPRO where Lyndon Johnson
took office and Hoover was like,

799
00:40:41,320 –> 00:40:45,240
hell yeah, this racist is going
to let me do whatever I want.

800
00:40:45,400 –> 00:40:48,360
And Lyndon Johnson was like, go
spy on the KKK.

801
00:40:48,560 –> 00:40:52,720
And Hoover was like, do I have
to come on?

802
00:40:52,720 –> 00:40:55,440
They’re doing the good stuff.
I know they’re like an

803
00:40:55,440 –> 00:40:59,600
unofficial, like a fan branch
that does guerrilla warfare on

804
00:40:59,600 –> 00:41:01,560
their behalf.
Yeah but they did.

805
00:41:02,120 –> 00:41:05,920
The COINTELPRO absolutely
fucking targeted the KKK in

806
00:41:06,120 –> 00:41:10,920
under Lyndon Johnson and fucking
the way they it is described is

807
00:41:10,920 –> 00:41:14,520
the KKK in Mississippi collapsed
in on itself and it was mostly

808
00:41:14,520 –> 00:41:16,440
just them.
Like spreading rumors about

809
00:41:16,480 –> 00:41:20,080
other KKK people being involved
with the FBI and shit.

810
00:41:20,160 –> 00:41:21,800
They said your robes look like
shit.

811
00:41:21,960 –> 00:41:26,680
They’re all wrinkled.
No respect for the Grand Dragon

812
00:41:26,680 –> 00:41:28,600
I.
Heard Carl was 18.

813
00:41:28,600 –> 00:41:31,960
Italian.
I heard that they couldn’t get

814
00:41:31,960 –> 00:41:35,280
the other arm of the cross lit
and it burned like super

815
00:41:35,280 –> 00:41:37,480
unevenly.
It was like, so ratchet.

816
00:41:37,480 –> 00:41:41,920
It’s like God.
That’s a good 60s racist.

817
00:41:42,160 –> 00:41:44,920
Oh my, the the voice I’m doing.
Yeah, Thank you.

818
00:41:45,840 –> 00:41:49,640
So the Black Panther Party, they
were obviously a big target of

819
00:41:49,640 –> 00:41:55,080
COINTELPRO.
They launched in 1966, so right

820
00:41:55,080 –> 00:41:59,440
around the time MLK was about to
get assassinated a couple years

821
00:41:59,440 –> 00:42:01,000
before.
But if you can believe it,

822
00:42:01,240 –> 00:42:04,360
Hoover viewed the Black Panther
Party as, quote, the greatest

823
00:42:04,360 –> 00:42:07,120
threat to the internal security
of the country.

824
00:42:07,280 –> 00:42:11,360
And, quote, another famous memo
here where an FBI agent fires

825
00:42:11,360 –> 00:42:14,080
memo off the Hoover and is like,
seems like the Black Panthers

826
00:42:14,080 –> 00:42:17,280
are just giving school kids
breakfast in the morning.

827
00:42:17,480 –> 00:42:20,640
And that is kind of the extent
of their activities.

828
00:42:20,800 –> 00:42:25,440
And Hoover twisted that into the
Black Panther Party is trying

829
00:42:25,440 –> 00:42:28,920
to, quote, fill adolescent
children with insidious poison.

830
00:42:29,240 –> 00:42:31,240
End Quote.
But we’re still up in the air on

831
00:42:31,240 –> 00:42:34,040
whether this guy was racist.
They referred to grits as

832
00:42:34,040 –> 00:42:35,520
insidious poison.
That’s just.

833
00:42:36,760 –> 00:42:41,000
Fucked up.
It’s, it’s, it’s hilarious how,

834
00:42:41,000 –> 00:42:43,480
I don’t know, I was just
laughing because it’s like, it

835
00:42:43,480 –> 00:42:47,880
couldn’t be anything more
magnanimous and gentle and kind

836
00:42:47,880 –> 00:42:51,320
than feeding, giving lunch to
underprivileged children.

837
00:42:51,520 –> 00:42:54,400
They might as well be wiping oil
off of the, you know, seals

838
00:42:54,400 –> 00:42:57,120
after the BP spill.
It’s just, it couldn’t be

839
00:42:57,120 –> 00:42:59,960
sweeter.
Just, I don’t know, it’s just so

840
00:42:59,960 –> 00:43:03,440
awful.
I mean it’s also what we hate

841
00:43:03,520 –> 00:43:08,000
about Venezuela or what we
initially hated about Venezuela.

842
00:43:08,200 –> 00:43:10,440
They elected their first non
white president.

843
00:43:10,680 –> 00:43:14,720
He started literally feeding
poor people and we were like Oh

844
00:43:14,760 –> 00:43:19,200
no, not on our half of the globe
buddy, not on our watch.

845
00:43:19,200 –> 00:43:21,640
And we’ve been fucking Venezuela
up ever since.

846
00:43:21,640 –> 00:43:25,640
This shit is a pyramid, OK?
Not a fucking not a skyscraper,

847
00:43:25,680 –> 00:43:28,720
a pyramid.
It gets smaller towards the top.

848
00:43:28,720 –> 00:43:30,760
Motherfucker, you want to be on
the top, you better come with

849
00:43:30,760 –> 00:43:33,360
us.
So Fred Hampton, let’s talk

850
00:43:33,360 –> 00:43:35,160
about it.
He comes up as part of

851
00:43:35,160 –> 00:43:42,080
COINTELPRO all the time because
it is known that the FBI ordered

852
00:43:42,080 –> 00:43:46,320
the raid that the Chicago PD
carried out where Fred Hampton

853
00:43:46,320 –> 00:43:49,400
was assassinated.
And I feel like it has come to

854
00:43:49,400 –> 00:43:52,720
be considered an assassination
by history.

855
00:43:52,840 –> 00:43:57,240
The only thing that has never
been confirmed is if the FBI

856
00:43:57,240 –> 00:44:00,000
wanted him to be killed during
that raid.

857
00:44:00,160 –> 00:44:05,200
But like, why have the informant
drug him if you didn’t want him

858
00:44:05,200 –> 00:44:07,400
to be killed?
Because we know that happened.

859
00:44:07,400 –> 00:44:11,440
There was an informant named
William O’Neill who managed to

860
00:44:11,440 –> 00:44:15,160
get a job as Fred Hampton’s
personal bodyguard.

861
00:44:15,280 –> 00:44:20,400
And on the night of this Chicago
PD raid, he drugged Fred Hampton

862
00:44:20,520 –> 00:44:23,920
so Fred Hampton would not wake
up when this happened.

863
00:44:24,080 –> 00:44:26,760
What other purpose could there
be?

864
00:44:26,880 –> 00:44:30,000
Then what, we’re going to kill
him and we don’t want him to

865
00:44:30,000 –> 00:44:33,240
fucking get up and get away
because he was shot kind of

866
00:44:33,240 –> 00:44:36,000
close, like it was very close
range.

867
00:44:36,160 –> 00:44:39,240
He was shot in the head.
So like if he’s just laying

868
00:44:39,240 –> 00:44:42,000
there in bed and you shoot him
in the head, that’s an

869
00:44:42,000 –> 00:44:44,480
assassination.
That’s not, oh, he pointed a gun

870
00:44:44,480 –> 00:44:48,000
at us and we had to fire back.
I don’t think the Chicago PD

871
00:44:48,000 –> 00:44:51,240
would just do that if they
weren’t at least sort of

872
00:44:51,240 –> 00:44:54,320
confident that someone above
them kind of signed off on it.

873
00:44:54,360 –> 00:44:56,600
I mean, maybe I don’t want to
give the Chicago PD any fucking

874
00:44:56,600 –> 00:44:58,920
credit, they’re a bunch of
goddamn maniacs.

875
00:44:58,920 –> 00:45:02,600
But there’s no way the FBI
didn’t just want Fred Hampton

876
00:45:02,720 –> 00:45:05,480
dead.
But also it’s 1969, if you were

877
00:45:05,480 –> 00:45:08,400
cop you could really pretty much
just kill any black guy and get

878
00:45:08,400 –> 00:45:10,560
off with it.
They weren’t exactly prosecuting

879
00:45:10,560 –> 00:45:13,480
police officers for doing that.
We barely do it now.

880
00:45:13,720 –> 00:45:15,040
Yeah.
Rare now.

881
00:45:15,280 –> 00:45:18,640
I was gonna say, this is like
the least sporting assassination

882
00:45:18,640 –> 00:45:20,560
of all time.
At least when you get, like,

883
00:45:20,560 –> 00:45:23,120
RFK, it’s like, well, look, you
earned it, OK?

884
00:45:23,160 –> 00:45:25,200
You’ve brainwashed the
Palestinian guy.

885
00:45:25,880 –> 00:45:27,240
You got a girl with a polka dot
dress.

886
00:45:27,240 –> 00:45:29,000
You did the whole thing.
All right?

887
00:45:29,160 –> 00:45:32,640
You got him.
This is just like, let’s be lazy

888
00:45:32,640 –> 00:45:35,720
and just use our existing levers
of control.

889
00:45:35,920 –> 00:45:38,280
You know, Fred Hampton deserved
better.

890
00:45:38,520 –> 00:45:40,400
Oh. 100%.
He’s a great leader.

891
00:45:40,560 –> 00:45:44,880
Yeah, and I didn’t put anything
about it in the notes, but

892
00:45:45,040 –> 00:45:47,880
there’s also in it.
We’ve talked about it so much on

893
00:45:47,880 –> 00:45:52,400
this podcast, but the
assassination Malcolm X is

894
00:45:52,680 –> 00:45:56,280
pretty fucking sketchy as it
relates to the FBI also.

895
00:45:56,760 –> 00:45:58,520
It leaves you asking Malcolm why
the.

896
00:46:00,560 –> 00:46:05,560
Detail that always stands out to
me is there were I think 10 FBI

897
00:46:05,560 –> 00:46:09,440
agents or informants in the room
when Malcolm X was shot.

898
00:46:09,560 –> 00:46:13,280
But we’re supposed to believe
the FBI just again, just

899
00:46:13,280 –> 00:46:16,640
happened randomly, some random
wacko.

900
00:46:16,640 –> 00:46:20,680
We don’t exactly know who
because one guy got caught with

901
00:46:20,680 –> 00:46:23,280
the gun in his hand and the
crowd beat the shit out of him.

902
00:46:23,280 –> 00:46:26,520
We know that guy was one of the
shooters, but almost

903
00:46:26,520 –> 00:46:28,880
immediately, he was like those
other two.

904
00:46:28,880 –> 00:46:31,520
They were not shooters.
They were not part of this at

905
00:46:31,520 –> 00:46:33,600
all.
And so we immediately let them

906
00:46:33,600 –> 00:46:38,240
out of prison. 40 years later,
but we still don’t know exactly

907
00:46:38,240 –> 00:46:41,120
who shot Malcolm X except for
the one guy.

908
00:46:41,280 –> 00:46:44,760
But there were three people who
did it and there was a lot of

909
00:46:44,760 –> 00:46:47,960
FBI in the room.
The current season of Godfather

910
00:46:47,960 –> 00:46:50,480
of Harlem is covering the
fallout of it.

911
00:46:50,880 –> 00:46:53,320
So the previous season ended
with Malcolm X getting killed.

912
00:46:53,520 –> 00:46:56,840
The current season is about one
of the guys that got framed, but

913
00:46:57,160 –> 00:46:59,080
I just stopped watching.
They’re trying to do way too

914
00:46:59,080 –> 00:47:00,640
much.
It should have ended this season

915
00:47:00,640 –> 00:47:04,080
when Malcolm X died.
But yeah, I mean, if you like

916
00:47:04,080 –> 00:47:05,560
it, they’re doing too much for
me.

917
00:47:05,560 –> 00:47:07,720
But yeah, they are covering that
storyline right now.

918
00:47:08,240 –> 00:47:10,720
Malcolm XS daughter is trying to
tell.

919
00:47:10,800 –> 00:47:13,320
Well, no.
Bumpy Johnson’s daughter is

920
00:47:13,320 –> 00:47:15,600
trying to tell her dad.
Yeah, this guy didn’t do it.

921
00:47:15,720 –> 00:47:17,200
It’s it’s a whole thing.
But yeah.

922
00:47:17,400 –> 00:47:20,520
There’s a really good Netflix
documentary also.

923
00:47:20,680 –> 00:47:23,240
About it was really good.
I’m surprised.

924
00:47:23,280 –> 00:47:24,840
Have you not done the episode on
that?

925
00:47:25,120 –> 00:47:26,920
Yeah, I covered it with a TIFF
like.

926
00:47:26,920 –> 00:47:29,240
OK, I thought so.
Back when it came out, yeah.

927
00:47:29,240 –> 00:47:33,200
But yeah, the assassination of
Malcolm X, every fucking detail

928
00:47:33,200 –> 00:47:36,720
about it is just speaks to it
being a setup.

929
00:47:36,880 –> 00:47:40,880
The other thing that blows my
mind and makes it obviously a

930
00:47:40,880 –> 00:47:46,560
government thing to me is the
place that happened was a spot

931
00:47:46,560 –> 00:47:50,920
where black civil rights types
would gather all the time and

932
00:47:50,920 –> 00:47:53,920
have like speeches, rallies,
whatever the fuck.

933
00:47:54,040 –> 00:47:58,920
So of course it was filthy with
cops rolling outside on that day

934
00:47:58,920 –> 00:48:02,800
when Malcolm X was killed, they
had two cops, like on the roof

935
00:48:03,000 –> 00:48:04,600
and that’s it.
There was no one at the door

936
00:48:04,600 –> 00:48:08,160
checking people for guns.
They just mysteriously had very

937
00:48:08,160 –> 00:48:11,880
little police presence around
that place on that day.

938
00:48:11,880 –> 00:48:13,920
Hold the goalie.
I do remember learning that.

939
00:48:13,920 –> 00:48:16,120
Malcolm.
X As far as the being checked,

940
00:48:16,120 –> 00:48:19,600
he didn’t want people feeling, I
forget what his reason was, but

941
00:48:19,600 –> 00:48:21,360
he didn’t want people patted
down.

942
00:48:21,680 –> 00:48:24,440
But also I’m you would think
that they would let the police

943
00:48:24,440 –> 00:48:27,160
will have some plainclothes
officers in there along with the

944
00:48:27,160 –> 00:48:28,960
FBI.
Yeah, I’m sure they did.

945
00:48:28,960 –> 00:48:31,720
I just don’t think they were.
Here to protect anyone, right?

946
00:48:31,920 –> 00:48:33,720
They were probably just there to
watch.

947
00:48:33,920 –> 00:48:37,440
So like I said, we’re going to
do a couple more COINTELPRO

948
00:48:37,800 –> 00:48:41,560
episodes on the next one, we’re
going to get into the other

949
00:48:41,560 –> 00:48:45,760
groups that they spied on,
including one I was a part of.

950
00:48:45,880 –> 00:48:47,400
Is it?
Now the American Indian

951
00:48:47,400 –> 00:48:48,480
movement.
I know.

952
00:48:48,560 –> 00:48:51,120
Yes, it was now I was in the
National Organization for Women

953
00:48:51,120 –> 00:48:55,680
when in 2007 and 2008, because I
was very woke when I was a kid.

954
00:48:57,080 –> 00:48:59,000
Yeah, the.
There are two groups in

955
00:48:59,000 –> 00:49:02,520
particular, the American Indian
Movement and the National

956
00:49:02,520 –> 00:49:06,200
Organization for Women that
COINTELPRO both spied on.

957
00:49:06,400 –> 00:49:10,000
And then this is so fucking
America.

958
00:49:10,120 –> 00:49:15,000
When all the revelations about
COINTELPRO came out, the Church

959
00:49:15,000 –> 00:49:17,680
Committee did like a kind of
detailed list of everyone they

960
00:49:17,680 –> 00:49:22,840
spied on and just left AIM and
now out of it just did not

961
00:49:22,840 –> 00:49:25,440
mention.
Like they knew that COINTELPRO

962
00:49:25,440 –> 00:49:28,840
spied on the American Indian
Movement and on the National

963
00:49:28,840 –> 00:49:32,560
Organization for Women and just
did not mention that part

964
00:49:32,640 –> 00:49:36,240
because we really want people to
think Native Americans don’t

965
00:49:36,240 –> 00:49:38,640
exist anymore.
Like they’re a myth, but pretty

966
00:49:38,640 –> 00:49:40,880
wild.
So we’ll talk about all that.

967
00:49:40,920 –> 00:49:45,200
We’ll talk about how this came
to be revealed to the public.

968
00:49:45,320 –> 00:49:49,600
Some of the regular ass people
that COINTELPRO Wento after they

969
00:49:49,600 –> 00:49:53,120
got a fucking Boy Scout leader
fired because he used to be

970
00:49:53,120 –> 00:49:55,600
married to a socialist and they
were like he’s going to make

971
00:49:55,600 –> 00:49:58,800
those kids socialists.
They just called up his boss and

972
00:49:58,800 –> 00:50:01,600
was like, you got to fire him
and so isn’t the boy.

973
00:50:01,600 –> 00:50:03,880
Scouts basically socialist,
aren’t there?

974
00:50:03,920 –> 00:50:06,040
Isn’t there a whole thing like
doing shit for people?

975
00:50:06,360 –> 00:50:07,960
Yeah.
And also I would submit.

976
00:50:07,960 –> 00:50:10,840
That it was his ex-wife.
I would bet you he probably

977
00:50:10,840 –> 00:50:12,880
hates socialism.
He’s like that bitch was always

978
00:50:12,880 –> 00:50:14,640
fucking ranting and railing
about sharing.

979
00:50:14,640 –> 00:50:17,600
How about you fucking I’ll give
you something to share woman.

980
00:50:18,680 –> 00:50:20,520
Like why not just bring?
Down the whole boy.

981
00:50:20,520 –> 00:50:23,640
Scout, they whole thing is like
making sandwiches and helping

982
00:50:23,800 –> 00:50:25,720
old people and shit and build
and stuff.

983
00:50:26,000 –> 00:50:27,920
What kind of organization do
they think I think that is?

984
00:50:28,240 –> 00:50:31,920
Yeah, exactly so.
Yeah, we’ll get into all that on

985
00:50:31,920 –> 00:50:35,440
the next episode.
Until then, Connor, John, thank

986
00:50:35,440 –> 00:50:39,240
you both for doing the pod.
What do we have to plug before

987
00:50:39,240 –> 00:50:41,760
we get out of here?
Just follow me on Blue sky Adams

988
00:50:41,760 –> 00:50:45,080
dot brown dot B sky dot Social.
There’s other stuff to announce

989
00:50:45,080 –> 00:50:48,560
soon, but I don’t feel like it.
John, what do you want to plug?

990
00:50:48,720 –> 00:50:50,440
Search my YouTube channel,
you’ll find.

991
00:50:50,440 –> 00:50:52,040
Me spelled the same way as on
here.

992
00:50:52,040 –> 00:50:54,080
John Lewis.
I’m always dropping something.

993
00:50:54,360 –> 00:50:55,720
Connor, what do you want to
plug?

994
00:50:56,120 –> 00:50:57,600
I can go here my YouTube channel
and.

995
00:50:57,600 –> 00:51:01,080
Watch my racist comedy special
after I’ve you’ve heard all my

996
00:51:01,520 –> 00:51:04,400
smart opinions and I think
that’s it.

997
00:51:04,400 –> 00:51:05,640
Let’s get.
The fuck out of here.

998
00:51:05,640 –> 00:51:06,880
John.
Say goodbye.

999
00:51:07,040 –> 00:51:09,080
See y’all later, Connor say.
Goodbye.

1000
00:51:09,280 –> 00:51:11,960
Goodbye, goodbye.
Everybody, we love you.