Conspiracy! The Show 338: The Death of Virginia Giuffre

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Every time.
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Every single time.
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it’s crazy.
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Yeah, even though we have not
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long time, people find.
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to request me be on the podcast.
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the show Los Angeles, CA and the
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what you sent me.
It’s an intimidation tactic if

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nothing else.
Truly.

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Yeah.
So Speaking of that, we are

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talking about the very recent
and untimely death of Virginia

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Chiafri, who is arguably the
most vocal of the Jeffrey

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Epstein victims.
Or was she died at the end of

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April, allegedly by suicide?
April 25th, 2025, Allegedly.

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Allegedly.
Allegedly.

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Yeah, on the one hand, yeah,
it’s weird that this would make

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her.
I think the third suicide tied

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to this with the other being
Jeffrey Epstein, of course,

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definitely committed suicide.
And then Jean Luc Brunel, who

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was like the European recruiter
or the Jeffrey Epstein scheme,

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he was the first to commit
suicide, and then Jeffrey

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Epstein and now Virginia
Jeffrey.

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And on the one hand, I guess
that’s kind of suspicious, but

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also this is the kind of case
where I would expect people to

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be committing suicide.
Yeah, it’s all suspicious.

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I mean, we don’t even
necessarily believe that Epstein

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killed himself, right?
Like that’s always the big meme

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of it all.
Yeah.

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And I think people are right to
question that.

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I mean, there’s just so many
people who both would want to

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kill him and would benefit from
him being dead, so the

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likelihood of suicide seems like
a little silly just with that on

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paper.
I would be more surprised if he

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committed suicide.
I would too because I feel like

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he thinks he would have the
money to get himself out of

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situations.
Not just that, but anytime you

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have a inmate that high profile,
they’re supposed to be watched

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and you’re supposed to take
steps to make sure they don’t

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kill themselves.
And that facility had protocols

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in place for that sort of thing.
So something other than suicide

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happened.
I think it’s just my own

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personal belief I guess.
Yeah, well, when there’s really

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bad things, there’s always
infinite secrets.

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So there’s infinite secrets in
every aspect of this one.

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Yeah, the only thing that would
make me lean toward Virginia

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Jeffrey being an actual suicide
and not having been knocked off

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by the government or something
is why would they do it now?

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That’s what I also think about
her committing suicide, though.

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Yeah, like that’s true.
Older and gone through a lot at

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a very young age.
I was born at a very young age

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and I mean, I guess there is
like a threshold of how much can

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you possibly take.
But at also like the worst of it

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felt long ago that like if she
was the kind of person who would

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kill herself, maybe she would
have already done it.

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She seems like more of a fighter
than that, especially with how

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outspoken she was.
Yeah, that’s the thing also.

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And it seemed like she did
genuinely love her kids and

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wanted to be able to see them
again.

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We’ll talk a little later about
one of the motivations she might

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have had that involved her kids.
That was, I guess, I mean, a

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possibility.
But she alleged that she was

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trafficked by Epstein and his
partner Jolene Maxwell when she

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was 17, said she was trafficked
to Prince Andrew by those two

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also when she was 17.
Family released a statement

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calling her, quote, a fierce
warrior in the fight against

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sexual abuse.
And that, quote, the toll of

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abuse became unbearable.
She lost her life to suicide

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after being a lifelong victim of
sexual abuse and sex

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trafficking.
She lived in WA, died on a farm

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in WA.
She owned a farm.

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Was she Australian?
Was she American?

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She was American because she was
working at Mar a Lago when they

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recruited her.
So I think it was her husband

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who was Australian.
And so they just moved to

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Australia after they got
married, which I think it was

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like 2002, something like that.
Got it.

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But police in Australia right
away said the death was being

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investigated by major crime
detectives.

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But that early indication is
that it’s not suspicious.

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Sure.
Yeah.

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I mean, we gotta trust the
police, you know?

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We can’t trust the police.
Who can we trust?

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Sad.
So we did an episode a few years

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ago when a new batch of Epstein
files were released, and in

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those files was the manuscript
of a book written by Virginia

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Jeffrey that went into a lot of
details about what she alleged

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happened with her and Prince
Andrew.

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You can go listen to that
episode if you want a deeper

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dive into those allegations with
more gory details.

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Also if you don’t want to Google
anything, like if you’ve seen

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any coverage of any of the
Epstein victims talking like it

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is the lady that you’re
imagining.

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Like once I clicked the link I
was like oh her.

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Like I have seen her talk about
this a lot.

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Like she’s very much the most
front facing victim in my mind.

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She’s one of the only victims I
can just name off the top of my

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head.
I know there were several, but

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she’s definitely the most
public.

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And she was also, we mentioned
on the earlier episode we did

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about her manuscript, she is
also the first one to bring up

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celebrities in relation to
Jeffrey Epstein.

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Before her.
All of the allegations were just

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against Epstein himself.
But she was the one who was

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like, no, no, no, no, no.
A bunch of famous people

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involved also.
So that’s interesting.

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But we’ll do just kind of a
broad overview for people.

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She had a rough upbringing.
She was abused at a young age,

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living on the streets by 14.
She met Jelaine Maxwell in 2000

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when she was trying to rebuild
her life.

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She was working at Mar a Lago at
the time as a locker room

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attendant.
Perfectly normal 17 year old

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behavior.
And that is when Jelaine Maxwell

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approached her about maybe
training as a massage therapist.

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I don’t know how these Q Anon
types that are so enamoured with

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Trump are just never bothered by
the fact that Jeffrey Epstein

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was literally recruiting girls
at Mar a Lago.

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Yeah, I don’t understand that
either.

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It’s such a obvious plot point.
And of all the names associated

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with Jeffrey Epstein, how many
of them do we also have?

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Video of those two standing
together at a party, literally

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pointing at young girls.
It’s crazy.

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There’s so much of it.
Yeah, there’s the Howard Stern

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thing where Trump was on Howard
Stern and he mentioned something

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about Jeffrey Epstein and he
goes, he said something along

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the lines of and I heard he
likes them a little young, just

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like I do.
Not seen that clip.

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Oh, I do.
Yeah, it’s very bad times.

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Oh.
God that like made me feel

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physically I’ll just like I do.
Could have just skipped that

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part.
Shut up.

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Yeah, yeah.
And that he said that before he

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got elected the first time, so.
I hate it here.

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I fucking hate it here.
We’re in hell.

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So wild.
It’s so fucked and like I that I

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had to sing a song.
That’s how disassociated I am

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from every situation at this
point.

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Yeah, it’s, it’s a lot.
It’s a lot to fucking keep up

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with.
So she met Julane Maxwell at Mar

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a Lago when she was 17.
She goes to a job interview with

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Jeffrey Epstein and the rest is
history.

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That is where the abuse started.
She said she was passed around

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to various Epstein associates,
with one of them being Prince

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Andrew, when she was still only
17.

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Not the phrase passed around.
That’s horrible.

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Yeah, she actually says passed
around like a fruit plate was.

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Holy shit fuck.
Her quote?

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So that’s gross, but the only
celebrity she’s ever actually

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named is Prince Andrew.
There’s a very famous photo that

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is said to be from the night
they met.

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She claims Prince Andrew
sexually abused her on three

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different occasions in three
different parts of the world.

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He’s always denied it, but he
did also settle a lawsuit with

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her in 2022 for a sum that is
rumoured to be in the range of

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12 to 16.3 million.
Which 16.3.

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That feels like not a rumor.
That feels like that might be

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the actual number if you got the
.3.

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That’s a really big settlement
for and I didn’t do that that.

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Yeah, yeah, it sure is.
That’s.

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A pretty big shut the fuck up
money.

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Yeah I feel like normally these
settlements are like a few

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100,000 but also why didn’t you
just do the settlement in the

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1st place?
Dumb, dumb.

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Yeah, why not just be like, babe
here, like I’m a bad guy, take

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the money.
This is capitalism.

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Goodbye.
Yeah, but he did not.

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And now look what happened to
him.

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Nothing.
He agreed to a settlement, but I

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mean, that’s a lot of money.
I don’t know what kind of cash

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Prince Andrew has.
He’s a member of the royal

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family.
So.

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Yeah, like England, England, old
core money.

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Yeah.
Wait, so the settlement happened

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so she got that money?
Well, that’s the thing, I did

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find a source, but it is auk
tabloid that we’ll talk about at

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the end that claims that
settlement was in jeopardy in

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some way and that maybe that is
what she was so distressed about

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and maybe that’s what prompted
her to kill herself.

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So they were like, we’ll settle.
Just kidding.

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Suffer.
Yeah, I mean, she was being sued

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for defamation also by an artist
named Nina O, who she accused of

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being Jeffrey Epstein’s
girlfriend and one of his

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recruiters.
And that woman sued Virginia

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Jeffrey, and that suit was, I
guess, still ongoing, but she

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was looking for like $8 million.
Not a girl’s girl.

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So maybe that is where the thing
about the settlement being in

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jeopardy comes from because they
don’t really say otherwise.

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Like was she not going to get?
It Oh, well, maybe yeah, she

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wasn’t.
Maybe she wasn’t going to get it

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because of the defamation
lawsuit, is what you’re saying?

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Yeah, maybe.
Because it was like, interfering

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or whatever the fuck.
That sucks.

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And also Nina.
Oh, OK, girl.

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Yeah, like your art’s really
good.

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Yeah, it’s, I mean, it better be
with a name like that.

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It better be if you’re gonna sue
for defamation after being a

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fucking sex trafficking
recruiter you fuck.

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I mean, she claims she wasn’t,
so she claims she was a victim.

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And that should be enough.
What, Sue?

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That should be enough.
If you didn’t do it.

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Like what?
Like this bitch defamed you and

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OK, OK girl.
Yeah, I mean, I don’t know if I

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got accused of being a recruiter
for Jeffrey Epstein and I really

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wasn’t, then yeah, I might.
I might be upset.

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I might file a lawsuit.
Yeah, yeah, I guess.

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Let’s try it.
Let’s accuse someone of being a

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recruiter for Jeffrey Epstein
and see if they I’m.

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Full up on accusations.
Let’s accuse someone of

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something by the end of this.
I don’t recommend it.

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You want to be shunned by random
people that you don’t know?

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Why for years accuse someone of
something?

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It’s a good point.
Especially if they did it maybe.

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Yeah.
Anyways.

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Anyway.
Not to make it about me.

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So one of the weirdest parts of
this story happened a few weeks

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before Virginia Jeffrey died.
At the end of March, she posted

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on social media saying she had
suffered renal failure failure

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after being hit by a school bus
and that doctors told her she

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had four days to live.
What is renal failure?

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What’s a renal?
Kidney failure.

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Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Why not just say kidney failure?

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Well, this was her actual quote.
I’ve gone into kidney renal

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failure jail.
I just didn’t know what renal

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was.
They’ve given me four days to

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live, transferring me to a
specialist hospital in urology.

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I’m ready to go, just not until
I see my babies one last time.

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But you know what they say about
wishes.

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End Quote.
Do doctors do that?

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Are they like you got four days
to live?

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I feel like only in movies.
Yeah.

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And even then that would be,
it’s like you’re not going to do

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anything.
You can’t.

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It’s.
Like such a trophy thing.

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It’s like, it’s like throwing up
and that means you’re pregnant.

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It’s like the same.
And apparently after all of

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this, her family clarified and
said that doctors told her if

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she left the hospital then she
would only have four days left

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to live, which so maybe they
were just trying to scare her

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into staying in the hospital.
Seems like that part worked

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because she was discharged after
six days.

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But very weird.
Very weird.

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She the picture she posted was
horrifying.

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Her face was really, really
fucked up.

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And this is another quote from
her post about it.

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I think it’s important to note
that when a school bus driver

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comes at you driving 100
kilometers as we were slowing

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for a turn, that no matter what
your car is made of, it might as

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well be a tin can.
End Quote.

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That’s very strange because also
just her face was bruised up.

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Why is that important to note
like?

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Duh.
Yeah, that was definitely an odd

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tag.
Like take this down, this is a

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clue.
And it gets even weirder because

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a few days after that post, the
driver of the school bus in

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question came forward and said
that this accident was being

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blown way out of proportion.
Bus drivers named Ross Muns and

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he claimed he was travelling at
around 46 mph when he tried to

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pass a slow moving vehicle and
as he began passing the driver

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turned into his path causing the
bus to clip the vehicle,

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damaging the tail light.
Which makes no sense for face

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fucked up.
Nope.

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And the driver was an elderly
woman and they got out and

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exchanged information and went
on their separate ways.

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He said he didn’t even realize
there was a passenger in the

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car.
And then he called the elderly

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driver the next day and she was
like, Oh yeah, by the way, my

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passenger has a black eye.
So I don’t know what the fuck

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was going on with this bus
accident.

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The bus driver, I didn’t put it
in the notes, but the bus

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driver, and we’ll link to the
article where he says this, was

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kind of suspicious of the
accident and felt like maybe

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they did it on purpose.
Also, it sounds like it’s not

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her car and she’s like, no
matter what your car is made out

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of, like this isn’t even your
fucking car.

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What are you talking about?
Yeah, who’s this old lady

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driver?
Yeah, who is the old woman that

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was driving?
Why do we not know anything

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about her?
It’s weird that she’s not

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identified in this.
Who is she?

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Who is she?
Where were they going?

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So many questions.
This is a quote from the bus

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driver.
I didn’t see her in the car.

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The driver basically pulled out
in front of me.

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I made sure she was all right.
It wasn’t a major crash and

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quote.
There is also a police report

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that scribes the incident as a
minor collision.

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A police spokesperson said the
collision was reported by the

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bus driver the following day.
The car sustained approximately

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$2000 worth of damage.
There were no reported injuries

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as a result of the crash.
End Quote.

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This sounds like just a random
crash that happened that she was

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not even in the car of.
Like, because when you get in a

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car accident, everybody gets out
of the car unless you’re like,

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severely injured.
Yeah, severely injured.

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Then there’s an ambulance and
people get taken away in the

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ambulance.
But the bus driver would have

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certainly seen her.
Yeah.

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Was she trying to fake her death
or something?

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She might have like tried to
fake her death and failed,

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bitched out.
Yeah, maybe.

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Yeah.
I would love to know who that

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woman driving the car was.
Yeah, that part is so confusing.

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Because you would think if it
was just like her mom or

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something, they would say that.
Or if it was just an Uber

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driver, they’d be like, it’s
just a Uber driver.

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Yeah, but no, we don’t have any
of those details.

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She was also supposed to appear
in court on April 9th for

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violating a family violence
restraining order obtained by

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her husband, but her attorney
got that rescheduled to June.

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What does that mean?
That part is really weird too

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because it’s also mentioned as
being maybe one of her

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motivations if she did take her
own life.

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But the way the family tells it
is her husband beat her on a

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recent family vacation and then
came home and filed for this

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restraining order and got it and
that’s why she hasn’t been able

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to see her kids.
So someone’s lying because if he

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is the the one that did the
beaten, I don’t know why the

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judge would give him the
restraining order.

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So it could just be that he’s
lying, but.

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That’s so confusing.
It does seem rare that a judge

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would side with the dude in a
case like that.

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Felt like oh you hit her so you
should have a restraining order

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from her so you don’t have the
urge to hit her.

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Like what?
Yeah, and I wonder if she

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actually did the hitting and her
family is just taking her side.

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Also, I have heard of people who
like get restraining orders from

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people and then because the
other party doesn’t know what to

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do and that was their last
reaction and they’re crazy that

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they just try to also get a
restraining order to be like,

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well, if you can, so can I.
Yeah, yeah, I could see that.

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And that I guess happens a lot
because like they just don’t

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know what else communication
like that’s like their fix is

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like abusing that person.
So once these training order

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happens, they’re like, well, I
was abused too.

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I should have a restraining
order also.

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Yeah, I can see that.
It’s just weird that it worked

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so well and that she lost her
kids over it.

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Yeah, I don’t know, She’s
probably got so much PTSD and

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fucked up shit like.
Oh, I’m sure.

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Yeah.
So as one would expect, folks

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are a little skeptical about
this actually being a suicide.

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One of those skeptics is her
father, Sky Roberts.

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That’s a WNBAS name right there.
It really is.

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How is that not a lesbian?
He was interviewed by Piers

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Morgan’s bitch ass and said
this.

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First of all, I couldn’t even
believe it.

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I mean, I started crying right
away.

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I’m still crying.
I can’t believe that this is

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happening.
It’s impossible.

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And then for them to say that
she committed suicide.

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There’s no way that she did.
Somebody got to her.

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End Quote.
But also, it seems like that’s

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just a hunch that he’s got.
This dad has also got to feel

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guilty forever because what a
bad dad that you ended up having

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your kid work for Epstein and
she was on the streets at 14.

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And her dad worked at Mar a Lago
at the time also.

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Yeah.
And she like when she got

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offered the job she came and
told him and he was like fuck

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yeah go be a massage therapist
for a rich old man.

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Yeah, absolutely.
Very strange.

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So yeah, there’s not much else
to his story.

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He just thinks there’s something
up.

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There are headlines out there
that say a lawyer who has

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represented Epstein victims has,
quote, called for an

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investigation into Jeffrey’s
death.

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And I think those headlines are
playing a little fast and loose

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with what he actually said
because they make it seem like

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this lawyer immediately thinks
some sort of shenanigans are

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afoot.
But it seems like he’s actually

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a little more on the fence about
it, if anything.

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Lawyer’s name is Spencer Kuvin.
And firstly, he mentions that

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victims of sexual assault are
quote sometimes a three times

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higher rate to commit suicide
than an ordinary individual in

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society.
Sometimes.

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I also hate how he worded that.
What does sometimes a three

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times higher?
Rate like a non statement.

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Yeah, an ordinary individual
bat.

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Don’t say it that way.
Yeah, like what?

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What the fuck does that mean?
It’s.

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Weirdos that got abused when
they were young.

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What the shit victim blaming ass
statement?

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Like how do you manage to be
victim blaming and still say

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almost nothing?
Sometimes victims want to die

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more than other people.
Than regularly.

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OK.
Than normal people.

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Yeah, because you’re a freak for
getting abused.

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But he also added this kind of
long quote.

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Sorry.
She tweeted out many years ago

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that she was never going to
contemplate suicide.

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So if she died, you know, it
wasn’t by her own hand.

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But circumstances change in
people’s lives.

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The Australian government needs
to release that information to

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let the world know what
happened.

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She had so many powerful people
angry at her that I think in

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order for everyone, the world or
family, to truly close the book

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on this story, they should fully
investigate that suicide and

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make it public so that people
don’t have these questions in

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their mind like we had after the
death of Jeffrey Epstein

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himself.
I agree with that.

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Yeah, I mean, aren’t they?
Yeah, I mean, they’re, I feel

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like they’re probably looking
into it.

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I hope.
And maybe they’ll release the

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information, but people are,
it’s cute that he thinks any

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investigation on the part of any
government authority.

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Factual.
Well, not just that that anyone

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who is suspicious is going to
take that as factual.

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They’ll just be like, well, the
government is investigating

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themselves.
Show the calls coming from

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inside the house.
So yeah, people are going to

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have those questions no matter
what the Australian government

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releases.
Her own lawyer, though, seems to

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be less suspicious.
That would be Carrie Loudon, who

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was Virginia Geoffrey’s lawyer
at the time of her death.

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At first there was this quote
attributed to her.

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We’ve got big question marks
over it.

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There’s suicide and then there’s
misadventure and quote.

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What?
Misadventure.

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Coming to the stage
misadventure.

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She also said that Geoffrey was
quote in a lot of pain, but she

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was looking forward to things in
the future so that would make it

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seem like she was saying no.
It it it, this probably was not

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a suicide.
Very sketchy.

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But she followed that statement
up and I can’t tell if she

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really doesn’t believe that
there’s foul play or if someone

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just got to her and was like,
how about you fucking take that

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statement back, lady?
Here is her follow up.

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I am not willing to speculate on
her cause of death as to whether

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it was suicide or misadventure.
Parentheses Death from unnatural

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causes, including when the
deceased person willingly took a

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risk.
End parentheses.

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I do not believe it was
suspicious in any way.

442
00:25:37,240 –> 00:25:40,800
The coroner will determine in
due course the cause of death

443
00:25:40,840 –> 00:25:43,880
and that will be established
based on the evidence.

444
00:25:43,880 –> 00:25:45,960
Your fucking statement is
suspicious bitch.

445
00:25:45,960 –> 00:25:48,720
What are you talking about?
Yeah, misadventure.

446
00:25:48,720 –> 00:25:52,200
Is she saying like being a
Jeffrey Epstein whistleblower

447
00:25:52,600 –> 00:25:56,960
was the risk she willingly took?
I think it’s like saying like if

448
00:25:56,960 –> 00:25:59,920
say she like stabbed herself to
death, it’s like she tripped and

449
00:25:59,920 –> 00:26:02,880
fell on the knife 10 times.
Yeah, yeah.

450
00:26:03,000 –> 00:26:07,920
Was she like, found whoa
underneath like a tightrope or

451
00:26:07,920 –> 00:26:10,560
something?
I hate when I misadventure.

452
00:26:10,640 –> 00:26:12,480
Yeah, I’ve never heard it said
that way.

453
00:26:12,480 –> 00:26:16,600
I’ve never heard it said period.
What is it used?

454
00:26:16,720 –> 00:26:19,040
Isn’t that also just death by
adventure?

455
00:26:19,120 –> 00:26:22,920
Yeah, if you’re adventuring,
you’re taking a chance, right?

456
00:26:23,040 –> 00:26:26,400
You know this, there’s there’s
no risk, no reward situation

457
00:26:26,400 –> 00:26:27,760
with adventure.
What?

458
00:26:28,040 –> 00:26:30,680
You get bit by a snake when
you’re out hiking and die.

459
00:26:30,680 –> 00:26:34,040
It’s adventure.
Yeah, that is Death by

460
00:26:34,040 –> 00:26:36,760
adventure.
And like, that’s a way cooler

461
00:26:36,760 –> 00:26:40,560
ruling than suicide.
Yeah, yeah, misadventure.

462
00:26:40,560 –> 00:26:41,400
That sounds fun.
Do.

463
00:26:41,400 –> 00:26:43,960
You know the artist, Sophie.
I don’t think so.

464
00:26:44,080 –> 00:26:47,760
OK well she died and the way
that she died is really sad and

465
00:26:47,760 –> 00:26:50,760
fucked up, but I would classify
it as misadventure.

466
00:26:51,040 –> 00:26:54,520
Oh, let’s hear it.
She was climbing a roof to look

467
00:26:54,520 –> 00:26:57,040
at the stars and moon and fell
and died.

468
00:26:57,360 –> 00:26:59,480
Oh shit.
That’s misadventure.

469
00:26:59,840 –> 00:27:03,280
That is misadventure.
Yeah, yeah, when it’s like very

470
00:27:03,280 –> 00:27:05,320
sad.
And I usually like, I usually

471
00:27:05,320 –> 00:27:08,360
don’t even talk about it because
it makes me so sad because she

472
00:27:08,360 –> 00:27:10,600
was so.
Yeah, that sucks.

473
00:27:10,880 –> 00:27:13,120
It sucks so much.
Yeah.

474
00:27:13,160 –> 00:27:17,320
So she also added that she was,
quote, not critical of the

475
00:27:17,320 –> 00:27:21,600
police nor am I demanding any
investigation, End Quote, and

476
00:27:21,600 –> 00:27:24,640
then also added some stuff about
how the police are already

477
00:27:24,640 –> 00:27:27,800
investigating and that she sure,
they’ll do a great job.

478
00:27:28,000 –> 00:27:29,080
Sure.
Sure they will.

479
00:27:29,080 –> 00:27:33,680
I’m sure Misadventure.
So, yeah, it seems like people

480
00:27:33,680 –> 00:27:38,360
are on the fence as to whether
if this was suicide or not.

481
00:27:38,440 –> 00:27:42,000
It’s mentioned in a People
magazine article that Geoffrey

482
00:27:42,000 –> 00:27:45,120
was experiencing, quote,
emotional and physical pain.

483
00:27:45,240 –> 00:27:47,280
End Quote.
In her last few months,

484
00:27:47,280 –> 00:27:51,600
according to family, she and her
husband of 22 years, the father

485
00:27:51,600 –> 00:27:54,680
of her three kids, were
estranged at the time of her

486
00:27:54,680 –> 00:27:59,040
death and had separated in 2023.
And this is the article that

487
00:27:59,040 –> 00:28:03,040
mentions that he allegedly beat
her during a family trip, but

488
00:28:03,040 –> 00:28:06,320
that after that trip he filed a
violence restriction training

489
00:28:06,320 –> 00:28:09,640
order against her and that it
was granted so.

490
00:28:10,320 –> 00:28:14,760
Suspicious.
Very, very confusing.

491
00:28:14,880 –> 00:28:18,200
Whole thing is suspicious also
with like such a high profile

492
00:28:18,200 –> 00:28:22,400
situation like this where
there’s like so much like just

493
00:28:22,640 –> 00:28:26,360
room for manipulation with the
husband, stuff like you never

494
00:28:26,360 –> 00:28:28,080
know what really was going on
there.

495
00:28:28,080 –> 00:28:29,840
Who knows who got in his ear,
you know?

496
00:28:29,920 –> 00:28:33,320
Yeah, it could go any number of
ways.

497
00:28:33,360 –> 00:28:36,800
It is weird that there’s all
these suicides around this.

498
00:28:37,040 –> 00:28:39,080
The JFK assassination is
weirder.

499
00:28:39,280 –> 00:28:43,760
There’s a lot of strange deaths
of witnesses in that, but this

500
00:28:43,760 –> 00:28:45,880
is close.
One of the JFK witnesses died

501
00:28:45,880 –> 00:28:48,480
from a karate chop to the neck
of that.

502
00:28:48,640 –> 00:28:52,800
One of my favorite details of.
All really intense.

503
00:28:53,120 –> 00:28:55,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because you would think that’s

504
00:28:55,320 –> 00:28:57,000
not a way you could die, but
apparently.

505
00:28:57,000 –> 00:28:58,720
No.
And that’s also like, very

506
00:28:59,120 –> 00:29:00,680
slapstick.
Yeah.

507
00:29:01,720 –> 00:29:05,000
Yeah, you like that thing that
happens in Austin Powers?

508
00:29:05,360 –> 00:29:08,720
Like if that’s a way to kill
someone, why doesn’t everyone

509
00:29:08,720 –> 00:29:10,560
who wants to kill someone just
do it that way?

510
00:29:10,640 –> 00:29:12,760
That’s.
Like it that that seems so

511
00:29:12,760 –> 00:29:15,720
efficient.
Yeah, just you’re not leaving

512
00:29:15,720 –> 00:29:17,400
any.
I mean, I don’t know what kind

513
00:29:17,400 –> 00:29:19,480
of trace it leaves.
It must leave something if

514
00:29:19,480 –> 00:29:22,240
police can look at it and go oh
shit that was a karate chop.

515
00:29:25,680 –> 00:29:28,160
Another karate chop to the neck,
boys.

516
00:29:29,480 –> 00:29:33,720
It’s all the rage these days.
So yeah, this is kind of a

517
00:29:33,720 –> 00:29:36,720
developing story, so there’s not
much else to it.

518
00:29:36,800 –> 00:29:41,560
So far it’s just been ruled
suicide and people have their

519
00:29:41,560 –> 00:29:45,600
suspicions but nothing else has
come out about it.

520
00:29:45,800 –> 00:29:48,040
Very sad story either way, no
matter.

521
00:29:48,480 –> 00:29:52,200
What but another another tale of
misadventure?

522
00:29:52,640 –> 00:29:55,760
Yeah, exactly.
The continuing misadventures of

523
00:29:55,760 –> 00:29:56,880
Jeffrey Epstein.
Oh.

524
00:29:57,440 –> 00:30:01,840
God.
So yeah, I think that is our

525
00:30:01,840 –> 00:30:06,200
shorter than usual episode.
If there are any updates, you

526
00:30:06,200 –> 00:30:08,880
know we will follow up.
We’re on it.

527
00:30:09,320 –> 00:30:13,560
And let you know.
But that’s all we got for now.

528
00:30:13,640 –> 00:30:15,880
Jen, thank you so much for doing
the pod.

529
00:30:16,040 –> 00:30:20,120
For having me of.
Course, what do we have to plug

530
00:30:20,120 –> 00:30:22,400
before we get out of here?
Just follow me on Blue sky.

531
00:30:22,400 –> 00:30:24,400
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Social.

532
00:30:24,840 –> 00:30:26,520
It’s Todd with.
That’s all I got.

533
00:30:26,520 –> 00:30:29,920
What do you want to plug?
I have a Patreon with the clown

534
00:30:29,920 –> 00:30:33,640
boss, Chad Damiani.
It is Patreon slash clown boss.

535
00:30:33,640 –> 00:30:38,080
We do a weekly podcast where we
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536
00:30:38,080 –> 00:30:41,720
whatever else we feel like.
And so subscribe to that.

537
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You get the podcast weekly for
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538
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bunch of backlogs now, so you’re
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539
00:30:48,680 –> 00:30:51,000
which I would have waited to do
too.

540
00:30:52,360 –> 00:30:56,880
So follow that.
And then my our show chat is

541
00:30:56,880 –> 00:31:00,720
coming back at the Elysian
Theatre sometime soon and I will

542
00:31:00,720 –> 00:31:04,720
be posting on my social media
dates for that when I have them.

543
00:31:04,720 –> 00:31:07,680
And follow me everywhere at Meet
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544
00:31:07,680 –> 00:31:12,200
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updates on everything else.

545
00:31:12,360 –> 00:31:14,280
And I think that’s it.
Let’s get the fuck out of here,

546
00:31:14,280 –> 00:31:15,360
Jen.
Say goodbye.

547
00:31:15,640 –> 00:31:18,400
Goodbye.
Goodbye everybody, we love you.