Conspiracy! The Show 326: My Favorite Conspiracy: Bigfoot

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I.
Hey everybody, welcome to

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Conspiracy the Show.
I’m your host, Adam Todd Brown

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joining me as Co host this week.
Oh, my favorite Co host of all.

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No Co host, but I do have a
couple of guests.

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Case in point, Zach Johnston’s
here.

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How’s it going, man?
Going as well can be expected.

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I, I’m just excited to talk
about Bigfoot, man.

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Yeah, I mean, who’s not doing
great?

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I don’t even know why.
I asked how people are doing

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anything.
We’re all doing wonderful.

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Also joining us, Hannah Michaels
is here.

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Hi, I’m doing very same.
I was very glad to be having

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strong feelings about Bigfoot
last night instead of anything

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else in the world.
Did something happen last night

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that we should have strong
feelings about?

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Oh, I don’t know, probably.
And here’s the thing, this could

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go out any day and the answer
would be yes, something happened

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last night that we should have
strong feelings about.

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So we’re doing a My favorite
conspiracy episode.

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If the people at home have never
heard one of these, it just

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means one of the guests brought
a conspiracy that they don’t

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necessarily believe, but maybe.
And I you can guess who it is,

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it’s Zach, who may or may not be
of the belief that Bigfoot is

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real.
And I’m excited to do this

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because on a different podcast,
I believe it was pretty scary,

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but it might have been
conspiracy.

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The show.
Me and Hannah have done an

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episode about Bigfoot and Hannah
is not a believer.

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I would.
I think that’s safe to say.

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Physical being a Bigfoot, no.
These are interesting.

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Pretty interesting.
It’s I, I, I think it, I, it

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would be cocky of me to say that
something doesn’t exist

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spiritually if it’s not a
culture that I come from or it’s

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not an experience I have.
I think that’s not necessarily

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for me to argue, but I would say
in terms of like a physical

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flesh and blood creature, I just
don’t think we have enough

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evidence that is concrete and
consistent.

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Consistent is the main thing.
I’m here to change your mind.

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Great.
I would love to be wrong on

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this.
For the record, I’m Fox Mulder.

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I want to believe actually, I’m
probably going to be the Scully

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of this episode, but.
I want Bigfoot to be real for

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sure.
Oh yeah.

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Absolutely.
It’s just cool.

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Yeah, I think it’s it’s a fun
thing as well.

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Like I want to preface this by
saying I’m going to come at it

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taking out all the
extraterrestrial teleportation,

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time travelling sort of like
crazy shit that’s been put on

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Bigfoot in The History Channel
era and focus more on the actual

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myths that predate colonialism.
And also sort of the idea of,

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you know, things live in the
forest that we don’t know about

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till to this day.
And one of them maybe, I believe

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maybe a Bigfoot, I guess sort of
for me, coming from an

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indigenous culture and growing
up in the Pacific Northwest,

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Sasquatch was a massive part of
our culture.

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I don’t know how much time you
guys have spent up in like the

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Seattle, Vancouver, Portland
area, but you know, things are

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named after Bigfoot, like, you
know, convenience stores and

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beer brands and, and you see
carvings of Bigfoot everywhere.

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You see it all over Indigenous
Salish arts.

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And you know, there’s of course
myths and stories and blah,

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blah, blah, but it’s beyond that
because that existed before, you

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know, the modern era.
The idea of a Bigfoot or a

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forest man or being forest
entity goes back, you know,

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deep, deep into mythology.
And for me, when you look at it

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and you sort of look at the
Pacific Rim cultures, you know,

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from Australia to Japan to
Siberia to, you know, Alaska,

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Himalayas, blah, blah, blah,
they all have a similar mythos

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around a Bigfoot or forest man
or woman that is either sort of

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like an ape like creature or
like a mythical sort of like

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trickster.
They’re going to fuck you up if

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you go near them sort of thing,
you know?

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Yeah, we in Australia, Yeti and
MLA as you know, the Sasquatch

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obviously in the Pacific
Northwest, the Wendingo,

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etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
I’m not going to pretend I know

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the mythos of all of them.
I’m going to focus mostly on the

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Pacific Northwest.
That’s where I’m from and grew

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up with, and I know it’s sort
of, it’s an interesting thing in

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that I do coming from an oral
tradition background, coming

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from shamanism in the Pacific
Northwest, in the Tawana people,

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which are based on what’s now
the hookah now in the Olympic

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Peninsula in Western Washington.
Oral traditions for us are PS

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part myth.
As an example, there’s this

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wonderful book called Tawana
Narratives by William Elmadorf,

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which talks a lot about our
shamanic and oral traditions and

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also our regular cultural
traditions.

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It’s a very dry read unless
you’re an anthropologist.

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But part of the sort of beauty
of the book is like a shaman

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would go out when when they’re
healing somebody, they would go

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out and they diagnose them and
be like, oh, I need to go talk

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to the Beaver to figure out how
to heal this person from

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whatever ailment they had.
And it’s very clear, like

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they’re not going out and
talking to a Beaver.

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They’re channeling the energy
and the sort of mythology of

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that species of that animal.
Oh, to find the path to the

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ailment like.
Well, that’s disappointing.

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But you know, you know, it’s,
it’s, you know, it’s allegorical

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text, right?
Like in, in all things, I guess,

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whether it’s the Bible or
whether it’s shamanism in Tibet,

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you know, it’s usually
allegorical.

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And I find that even in that
when there’s a universal sort of

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myth, there’s some basis in
truth somewhere in that

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universal myth.
You know, the flood myths that

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everybody has that you can
always sort of sort of find an

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archaeological moment where a
flood did happen and so on and

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so forth.
And I feel through our oral

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traditions that all these myths
wouldn’t be so prevalent and so

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cornerstone to our cultures if
there wasn’t a a shred of truth

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to them.
So that’s my opening salvo and I

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will sit down and take you.
I completely agree.

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Yeah, I would say one of the
reasons I agree is history is

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littered with things that have
gone extinct that are way Wilder

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than any Bigfoot.
We used to just be filthy with

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car sized birds.
Oh yes, out.

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Can you imagine going to a
baseball game?

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Today, a war against emus.
Like, yeah, right, right.

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Like I just went to the La Brea
tar pits not too long ago.

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The things they pulled out of
those tar pits.

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Fucking wild.
Yeah, it’s for me, it’s more

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about just how many of these
stories hit the same points and

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how many of them could have been
carried over from different

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parts of Asia to the Americas
and could be a more distant

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memory versus could be something
in the Pacific Northwest right

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now.
I think it’s both your points

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are valid in that I kind of feel
like that’s part of this

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overarching story or the
overarching.

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I don’t want to say history
because history feels too like

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actually like oh, history has to
be this that and the other.

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Just like I don’t know enough
about zoology to talk at depth

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about what ape like humanoid.
This could be because I simply

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don’t have that knowledge base.
But I do believe like if, if I’m

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looking at it from the oral
histories of my part of the

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world, one very important thing
is the translation of the words

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that we use.
When we talk about a Bigfoot,

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for instance, we use the word
skokum, which was sort of a word

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that meant monster or strong
back in the day, depending on

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context.
Of course, we still use skokum.

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It’s a shouldn’t have sort of
jargon word as an adjective.

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Strong with like other words.
So like skookumchuck means

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strong water.
But if you use skokum, as in you

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saw something weird and
monstrous in the woods that was

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chasing you, it would have meant
a monster or a strong man.

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So likewise with Sasquatch and
Skywall Stick Indians, it’s

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always like a forest person, a
forest woman, a forest man.

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And I think that’s important to
delineate for my wider point,

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which I’ll get to in a in a
moment.

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But the whole ape aspect kind of
comes in later.

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I would say more in the when the
Americans show up in the 1850s,

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eighteen 40s and you know, bring
in a lot of let’s just we’re

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not.
Going to talk about Patterson

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and Gimlin.
No, you know, I mean.

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That’s that’s who I really,
that’s what I really have raged

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for, to be completely honest.
Yeah, I want to completely like

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delete that because there’s a
lot of Barman and Bailey

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Ripley’s Believe It or Not
bullshit where they’re making

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shit up just to, you know, sell
at the train station to sell

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postcards or whatever.
But when you look at these

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myths, even if you look at the
way it’s talked about, like the

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Yawi’s talked about or the Yetis
talked about, it’s not always

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necessary.
Or Wendigo especially, it’s not

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always necessarily an ape.
It’s more of a human that’s

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feral or a group of people that
are sort of feral.

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So like the stick Indian idea,
which is a very sort of stylish

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thing.
They’re tricksters.

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And it’s the sort of thing where
it is a form of Sasquatch, a

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form of Bigfoot, but they live
in the forest.

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They want to be left alone.
They’re actually smaller, not

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bigger in size.
And if you’re a good person,

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they can tell that and they’ll
help you if you get lost or you

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know you’re starving or
something like that.

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But if you’re a bad person,
they’re going to fuck you up and

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they’re going to get violent on
your ass and they’re going to

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lead you deeper into the forest
until you do start to death or

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die.
Which is one of those things

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where I kind of dig because it’s
like it’s on you of how the

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encounter happens.
Which that’s not unlike

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encountering any animal in the
forest.

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It in a lot of way, unless you
get like, yeah.

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Or a human.
Yeah.

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But like, unless you get like a
Mountain Lion that’s just

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determined to attack somebody,
like how you handle coming into

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contact with pretty much any
animal is going to go a long way

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toward whether that animal
slices your jugular vein open

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and not.
Great.

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Yeah.
And there’s still like, if, you

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know, I’m not really, I’m not
trying to talk for everybody in

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my nation.
I’m from Skokomish Indian

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Reservation, but we tend to
still 100% believe in stick

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Indians.
And so when you go in the woods

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and you fuck around and I’ve
spent an inordinate amount of

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time in those woods in the
Olympic Mountains.

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And it’s it’s weird up there
because there’s no roads through

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the Olympic National Park.
There’s no real, It’s all

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really, really dense, dense
forest and Alpine meadows and

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blah, blah, blah.
And it’s weird sometimes,

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sometimes you kind of you get a
weird energy, you get a weird

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feeling that’s like, you know
what, I’m going to turn around

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and go the other way.
And in our sort of half joking

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sense, we’ll say, hey, there
must be a stick in, you know,

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over there.
Let’s take another route to this

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day.
And so this is so I guess to my

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first point is this is something
that’s still very present in our

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tradition that, you know, not
that we think that it is a

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visible ape in the forest that’s
going to attack us if we’re have

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an evil soul, but more and just
like, hey, let’s not fuck around

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in a place that feels weird.
The ocean needs one of these.

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There needs to be an ocean
creature that tells us, hey,

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stay out.
I mean, I think there are plenty

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of those.
I mean, sharks, sure.

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No, I was.
I was gonna go dolphins.

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Sharks aren’t that bad.
I was gonna say colossal squids.

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Yes, yeah, yes.
Also Humboldt squids.

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I was gonna say micro plastics.
Yeah, yeah.

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I do like Zach in the notes
about stick Indians.

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I’m just noticing this.
There’s a word that we’re

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absolutely not going to say
because it says Adam.

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If you use this word, you’ll
have to bleep it out as it is

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believed that saying their name
invokes their wrath.

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Sorry people at home, you’re
never going to know that word.

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Try Googling it.
I’m not going to say it.

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It is a very, very deep belief
to the point where like your

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grandma would slap the food out
of your mouth if you said it

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sort of thing.
OK, sorry Hon, I cut you off.

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Go ahead.
Oh, I, I, I don’t know, I, I

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might have just talked about
dolphins being, you know,

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predators.
Well, now I cut Zach off.

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I don’t know.
Let’s just say the word we

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deserve it.
We’ll we’ll just bring down the

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wrath of the sticky means.
It’s OK.

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I think that this is the
beginning of a really good

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horror movie.
Guys, I think we should take a

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take a moment, bust out a
treatment, maybe do the first,

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you know, like 10-15 pages and
then come back and see, see

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where we are.
Also, Zach, there’s something

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behind you.
Yeah.

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So I guess get us back on track.
It’s sort of like, you know, the

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idea of like the Sasquatch, the
stick Indian, there’s the

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skokum, it’s, you know, all
these different things.

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And there’s what I think is also
left out, which is sort of

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annoying.
It’s like this is like it’s

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always fucking presented in
Western sort of colonial

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American culture as a Sasquatch
who’s this big bulking male

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coded sort of thing.
And if you look at a lot of the

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old pre colonial artwork,
whether it’s on totem poles or

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long houses, it’s more obviously
familial.

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But there’s also women.
So there’s a nuke walk, which is

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a Salish word for the wild women
of the forest.

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A lot of times when you make a
totem pole, it would be if

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you’re pissed off at somebody
else or if you wanted to curse

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somebody else or if like
somebody else sided you or

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something like that.
So you make a totem pole, you

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put all these sort of curses and
evil things on it, and you point

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that totem pole at that person’s
house.

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And so there are examples of the
wild women of the forest on

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totem poles at the top, because
basically that would call the

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wild women of the forest out to
go and eat that person or fuck

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that person’s life up.
Nice.

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Yeah.
And obviously, again, you know,

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we’re I hate to use a very
Instagrammy term, but we’re

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talking vibes here more or less
because the vibes is hey, you

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fucked me over.
I put up a totem pole that shows

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you fucked me over.
So why you come and apologize

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and give me my due and we’ll be
OK and I’ll take the totem pole

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down and we’ll have and
everything will be fine, right?

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Does that ever turn into like a
totem pole negotiation where the

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other person builds their own
and it’s like, no, actually

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this, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, if you go up to

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Vancouver Island, there are
still some left where you can

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see decades long arguments
between people.

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That’s rad.
Between families between just

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like and like, like I again, I’m
you’re going to have to take a

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very this is very blank because
I haven’t been there in a long

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time and only vaguely remember
bullet points.

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But it’s like over the pettiest
shit too.

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Like you didn’t pay enough for
the daughter’s dowry during her

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wedding party.
So fuck you, you cheapskate.

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It’s like I paid enough.
Fuck you you you over demanding

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prick like shit like that.
Which in totem form I.

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Like that?
Awesome.

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I think in obviously totems were
used for other things as well.

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I’m not trying to, like I said,
I’m not trying to put a blanket,

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you know, description over these
things, but Sasquatch to Zunqua,

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like Skokum, stick it, they all
show up in this artwork.

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So it’s something that’s been
around for a long time.

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It’s something that’s been maybe
used as a threat more than

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something that’s real.
I tend to think that there’s a

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reality there just in the fact
that, you know, when you look at

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indigenous cultures, especially
in the Americas, after what

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happened in the 15 and 1600s
with the population crash of up

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to 95% of these cultures were
just completely wiped out in 100

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years through disease.
So people losing their whole

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families and histories and
everything.

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Everything but also their
infrastructure, right?

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Like, you know, the whole idea
of like the Great Plains, you

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know, Indian on the horse,
hunter gatherer.

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That’s because it was Mad Max
times when the Americans showed

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up in the 1800s for those people
like their cultures had been

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wiped out through disease.
You know, you Madam, you may

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have actually been to this place
in Illinois, Cahoka, which is

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down by Saint Louis, which was
this big city of like 20,000

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people that was at the time
bigger than London and Paris.

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And you know of the like
different bounds.

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It’s a S Illinois section of
like just cities that existed.

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Sounds familiar.
It sounds field trippy.

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Like that’s, that’s something I
would have gone on a school

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field trip to.
Yeah, and it’s the sort of thing

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where like that’s the the
continent was covered in cities

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with intricate trade systems and
routes and blah blah blah.

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For instance, from the Pacific
Northwest, there’s this thing

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called the Grease Trail because
we took Oolong, which is across

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that small oily fish, not
spelled, maybe spelled, but we

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would make basically fish sauce
and fish oil out of it and trade

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it across all of North and South
America.

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And so there are these grease
trails coming from the Pacific

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Northwest out into the Americas.
And so there is all.

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And that all collapsed, right?
And so when a culture collapsed

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like that, people tend to
disperse.

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And if you’re near in a place as
wilderness dense as say, the

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Olympic Mountains of the Cascade
Mountains, the Rocky Mountains,

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you know, going up into the
boreal forests of Canada and

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Alaska 102 hundred years later,
there’s going to be some weird

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fucking people living in the
woods, man.

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And that’s where my sort of
Bigfoot is real comes in because

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I’m coming at it from, well,
you’re mistranslating it to an

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ape when it’s all of these are
men and women.

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Like it’s there in the name if
you translate it correctly.

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And we know feral people in
feral communities have existed

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through time across the world.
Like that’s, I don’t think

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questionable.
And I would argue there were

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probably a lot more feral
people, especially coming out of

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indigenous cultures after that
collapse, by the time Americans

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show up in the 1800s into the
1900s, that were probably still

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pretty detached from anything
surviving in the woods for

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generations.
Along those lines, I just this

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is a thing that just happened.
I had to Google it to make sure.

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It was February 13th, 2025.
A man from an uncontacted

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indigenous tribe just like came
out of the forest and like

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interacted with people and they
think he was asking for fire.

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They like, tried to show him how
to use a lighter in it.

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Like he couldn’t figure it out.
And then he just like went back.

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But it’s like a thing where it
was somewhere along the Amazon

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River.
It was in.

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Brazil, yeah, a lot of a lot of
groups exist around there.

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Yeah.
And they just, the government

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just like leaves them alone if
they like come in.

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Some of them want to be left
alone.

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Yeah, like if they ask for help,
they’ll help.

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Yeah.
And let’s let’s face it, if you

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want to be left alone, you can
probably be left alone in the

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forest, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

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I feel like my entire day of
research has been destroyed

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because it was about the Western
concept of an ape man and all of

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the different hoaxes and I feel
like I.

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Could.
Easily believe this version and

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this version makes a lot of
sense to me.

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I’m going to help you out here
because I’m not gonna spoil the

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end, but I’m gonna get there.
OK?

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I think it’s worth pointing out
because I I mean, I think Adam,

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and I think why I thought of
this because I think you and I

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were talking about this once and
how people often dismiss this

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idea because as humans, we know
everything and seen everything,

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and there’s no way there’s
anything hiding from us.

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Yeah.
And it’s like, have you seen the

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woods?
Not to always bring it back to

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the Olympic National Park, but
that’s where I grew up and I

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know it the best.
It does not have a road through

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it.
It’s one of the only national

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parks on the planet that doesn’t
have a road through it and the

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only one in the United States
that does not have a road

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through it.
Even the ones in Alaska have

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roads through them, which is
kind of crazy because that means

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you have to hike in.
And that means there’s a limited

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number of trails, which also
that means massively less people

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are going into that park because
you can’t just drive through it.

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And so according to the National
Park website, 95% of Olympic

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National Park is basically
untouched wilderness.

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Only 5% of the park is really
interacted with humans.

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That’s a lot of woods and it’s
thick temperate rainforest and

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Alpine and, you know, regular
forest and coastline and you

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know so much just thick old
forest that, you know, you’re

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talking about a million acres
and 95% of it is basically

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untouched.
And also, I know, vastly

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different in size, but I went to
Costa Rica last year and one of

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the things I wanted to do was
see a sloth.

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And here’s the thing, one does
not simply see a sloth.

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You can go to these like it’s
just a tourist attraction where

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it’s just rainforest and there’s
a ton of sloths living there,

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but you have the option to take
a guided tour where someone when

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they spot one will set up like a
little camera you can look at.

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Or you can just be the one sole
white American lady who was at

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there at the same time on our
tour who was just like fuck it I

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just want to go walk in and look
for one myself.

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You will never see a sloth that
way unless it dies and falls out

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of the tree in front of you.
Those things are way up there.

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They don’t fucking move, they
blend in because they’re going

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to get eaten if someone sees
them.

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Yeah, they’re usually covered in
Moss.

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Yeah, so it’s completely
possible to be in the forest and

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not see an animal.
And I get that like a Bigfoot

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would be bigger, but.
Sure.

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It’s completely possible that
there’s stuff out there that we

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haven’t seen.
It doesn’t have to be Bigfoot.

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It could be something cooler.
It could be Bigfoot with guns.

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It could easily be something
cooler.

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I mean, we do have untouched.
I don’t know if that means no

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trail cans, no environmental DNA
being taken.

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I don’t know what that means
necessarily in terms of no

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people there.
But maybe there’s some research

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going on.
I don’t know.

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Or it could just be untouched.
Untouched.

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Yeah, it’s, it’s a very kind of
soft definition.

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I couldn’t really find a real
like hard definition for it for

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untouched.
Yeah, I, I think it’s very

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possible there are species that
we haven’t heard of.

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I just the modern day accounts
of what we would call a Bigfoot

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are so disparate and so many of
them have turned out to be

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hoaxes.
I just don’t have enough to

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believe in a Bigfoot
specifically so much as, yeah,

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there’s probably some
undiscovered cool ass shit out

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there.
The one thing that comes to mind

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when Hannah mentions trail cams
and places where people are

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doing research, the giant squid
people are down there in the

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ocean doing research where that
thing is.

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And that’s why we see it
sometimes.

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Like we see a giant squid like
once every couple years maybe.

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00:23:18,960 –> 00:23:21,600
Yeah, usually when they’re sick
and they come up to the surface.

427
00:23:21,600 –> 00:23:25,280
We don’t normally, Yeah.
And we went a long time as a

428
00:23:25,280 –> 00:23:27,960
people without sick.
Like, I think at one point we

429
00:23:27,960 –> 00:23:31,360
thought they were a myth or
extinct, and then, Oh yeah, we

430
00:23:31,360 –> 00:23:33,320
just caught one on a camera
someday.

431
00:23:33,360 –> 00:23:35,560
So maybe, maybe that’s how it’ll
happen.

432
00:23:35,560 –> 00:23:40,160
And then we’ll all be like Ferg.
I’m more skeptical of like myths

433
00:23:40,160 –> 00:23:43,600
that emerged within the sphere
of modern media.

434
00:23:44,000 –> 00:23:45,960
Oh, sure.
I’m more likely to believe in a

435
00:23:45,960 –> 00:23:49,360
giant squid than a Nessie.
So like non citizen voting you

436
00:23:49,360 –> 00:23:54,480
mean?
Oh my God, no.

437
00:23:54,520 –> 00:23:57,240
And I, I’m 100% with you on
that.

438
00:23:57,320 –> 00:24:00,840
And this is maybe this my dad’s
political indigenous coming out

439
00:24:00,840 –> 00:24:03,880
in me, but I almost find it
insulting a lot of the Bigfoot

440
00:24:03,960 –> 00:24:08,120
myth and media of the last 50-60
years, especially the advent of

441
00:24:08,120 –> 00:24:09,960
The History Channel culture of
it all.

442
00:24:10,120 –> 00:24:13,000
Yeah.
And you know, I I don’t want to

443
00:24:13,000 –> 00:24:15,840
get into the obvious racism
behind it and the, you know, the

444
00:24:15,840 –> 00:24:20,920
sort of just regardless.
And that all is sort of like a

445
00:24:22,040 –> 00:24:24,600
let’s, you know, make up some
stories and like make some money

446
00:24:24,600 –> 00:24:27,520
off some rubes.
I’m happy to be the one to yell

447
00:24:27,520 –> 00:24:29,440
that Ancient Aliens is very
racist.

448
00:24:30,640 –> 00:24:33,360
We’ve talked about that a bunch
on this podcast.

449
00:24:33,360 –> 00:24:35,520
That’s white supremacist
nonsense.

450
00:24:35,760 –> 00:24:38,640
Yeah, and a lot of like, like I
said at the top, like the whole

451
00:24:38,640 –> 00:24:41,640
like, oh, it’s interdimensional
and time travelling.

452
00:24:41,640 –> 00:24:44,560
It’s like, what do you shut up?
Like what are you talking about?

453
00:24:44,800 –> 00:24:47,280
There are cool things about this
culture.

454
00:24:47,280 –> 00:24:51,960
There are cool things about the
idea of a wild forest woman in a

455
00:24:52,360 –> 00:24:54,800
a stick man that’s going to, you
know, fuck your shit up if

456
00:24:54,800 –> 00:24:57,920
you’re a piece of shit.
And there’s also some amazing

457
00:24:57,920 –> 00:25:00,440
things that I think we don’t
think about in the way that

458
00:25:00,440 –> 00:25:03,920
people came to the Americas over
the course of what is now at

459
00:25:03,920 –> 00:25:07,640
least 20,000 years and maybe
more given, you know, how that

460
00:25:07,720 –> 00:25:10,160
archaeological record has
shifted over the last couple

461
00:25:10,160 –> 00:25:12,440
decades.
But one of the crazy things for

462
00:25:12,440 –> 00:25:16,240
me is there’s a piece of me that
wants to believe it is actually

463
00:25:16,440 –> 00:25:18,440
not just a feral person.
There’s a piece of me that

464
00:25:18,440 –> 00:25:24,120
really does, let me say there’s
a 25% piece of me that does

465
00:25:24,120 –> 00:25:28,320
believe it is an undiscovered
humanoid ape that is I guess

466
00:25:28,320 –> 00:25:31,720
extent to the Americas or North
America especially.

467
00:25:31,960 –> 00:25:35,320
One thing that sort of blew my
mind is I mean out of you’re

468
00:25:35,320 –> 00:25:37,400
just down in Costa Rica, you
must have seen some monkeys.

469
00:25:38,080 –> 00:25:41,360
But the way monkeys
theoretically they believe

470
00:25:41,360 –> 00:25:45,400
monkeys got to the Americas
about 30 million years ago on by

471
00:25:45,400 –> 00:25:47,920
floating on, you know, natural
rafts.

472
00:25:48,000 –> 00:25:50,960
That to me is like kind of mind
boggling like kind of mind

473
00:25:50,960 –> 00:25:53,760
boggling, right, Like, you know,
accidentally they got there is

474
00:25:53,760 –> 00:25:56,720
what they’re saying.
So if monkeys accidentally got

475
00:25:56,720 –> 00:25:59,080
here 30 million years ago, and
obviously that’s enough time to

476
00:25:59,080 –> 00:26:02,960
evolve into an American, you
know, subset of species, you

477
00:26:02,960 –> 00:26:07,040
know, it’s not crazy to me that
apes could have gotten here a

478
00:26:07,280 –> 00:26:10,560
couple 100,000 years ago from
Asia where they existed.

479
00:26:10,560 –> 00:26:13,440
You know, we have
Gigantopithecus, which was alive

480
00:26:13,440 –> 00:26:15,880
200,000 years ago.
You know, there’s tons of

481
00:26:15,960 –> 00:26:18,920
archaeological evidence.
I think there’s like 2000 bones

482
00:26:18,920 –> 00:26:20,840
and teeth they found in South
China or something.

483
00:26:20,960 –> 00:26:23,120
Oh yeah.
And it’s a big fucking Bigfoot.

484
00:26:23,320 –> 00:26:25,360
If you were describing Bigfoot,
it would be that.

485
00:26:25,760 –> 00:26:27,040
The end of it, yeah.
Yeah.

486
00:26:27,120 –> 00:26:29,960
And it’s the sort of thing where
like, maybe that came over, too.

487
00:26:29,960 –> 00:26:33,680
And, you know, you’re a big part
of the new theory of the

488
00:26:33,680 –> 00:26:36,680
population of the Americas is
the the kelp trail, right.

489
00:26:36,920 –> 00:26:39,920
Like people came over via the
water and followed the kelp down

490
00:26:39,920 –> 00:26:42,720
and, you know, helped populate
the Americas that way and then

491
00:26:42,720 –> 00:26:45,640
came over during, you know, the
the Ice Age gap.

492
00:26:45,640 –> 00:26:47,360
And that’s, you know, back and
forth.

493
00:26:47,360 –> 00:26:48,880
There’s back and forth.
Yeah.

494
00:26:48,880 –> 00:26:50,840
Later tracks.
And, you know, all the bison in

495
00:26:50,840 –> 00:26:53,320
Europe are from the Americas,
from them going the other way.

496
00:26:54,720 –> 00:26:56,320
You know, there are cats in
Africa that are from the

497
00:26:56,320 –> 00:26:57,720
Americas.
Yeah, exactly.

498
00:26:58,240 –> 00:26:59,760
So there’s so much back and
forth.

499
00:26:59,800 –> 00:27:02,640
Why not an ape?
And like, in, I’m not saying

500
00:27:02,720 –> 00:27:04,600
that I believe this
wholeheartedly, but I’m also

501
00:27:04,600 –> 00:27:08,480
like, but why the fuck not?
Like, why would we say for sure

502
00:27:08,520 –> 00:27:10,920
that maybe something did come
over here and maybe now it is

503
00:27:10,920 –> 00:27:13,160
extinct and we’re never going to
know because it’s, you know,

504
00:27:13,160 –> 00:27:16,040
lived in a, you know, a
rainforest that you’re just not

505
00:27:16,040 –> 00:27:17,960
going to get any archaeological
evidence from.

506
00:27:17,960 –> 00:27:21,920
But maybe it did survive too,
because it was distant.

507
00:27:22,000 –> 00:27:27,360
And so for me, there is that 25%
of me that believes it is the

508
00:27:27,360 –> 00:27:30,920
Bigfoot of Bigfoot fame, for
lack of a better term.

509
00:27:31,240 –> 00:27:34,680
And it to me, I’ve said this
before, it would make sense to

510
00:27:34,680 –> 00:27:38,520
me that if there was something
like that in a forest that’s

511
00:27:38,520 –> 00:27:42,240
mostly unexplored, it would have
had to have.

512
00:27:42,360 –> 00:27:44,800
I don’t think evolved is the
right word, but at least picked

513
00:27:44,800 –> 00:27:48,120
up on the fact that, well, if
anything is going to kill me,

514
00:27:48,120 –> 00:27:50,720
it’s going to be a human.
Those motherfuckers got guns,

515
00:27:50,720 –> 00:27:53,800
they got cameras, they’re making
TV shows about me.

516
00:27:53,840 –> 00:27:58,160
So I’m just going to stay as
deep in the forest and as far

517
00:27:58,160 –> 00:28:02,320
away from people as I can I.
Don’t know because our the known

518
00:28:02,320 –> 00:28:07,240
interactions with hominids that
we have, we fucked them.

519
00:28:07,480 –> 00:28:09,160
True, very true.
Yeah.

520
00:28:09,760 –> 00:28:13,520
We could have also killed them
sometimes, but it seems like we

521
00:28:13,520 –> 00:28:18,280
had enough of a relationship
that, you know, two different

522
00:28:18,280 –> 00:28:21,960
hominids have their DNA in
modern humans.

523
00:28:22,040 –> 00:28:26,080
Yeah, we could have loved them.
Maybe we did at some point, and

524
00:28:26,160 –> 00:28:29,080
maybe they’re alive now still
and they’re just like, fuck

525
00:28:29,080 –> 00:28:32,720
people, I mean.
I would empathize with that.

526
00:28:32,720 –> 00:28:36,360
I just don’t think we have the
modern evidence of it.

527
00:28:36,760 –> 00:28:40,400
I would say it’s fully possible
that they were hominids here at

528
00:28:40,400 –> 00:28:43,360
some point, we just don’t have
fossils yet.

529
00:28:43,480 –> 00:28:45,120
Yeah.
And it’s sort of, it’s kind of

530
00:28:45,120 –> 00:28:48,640
the, I guess the catch 22 of
where the fossils would be,

531
00:28:48,640 –> 00:28:50,480
we’re never going to get, you
know what I mean, like.

532
00:28:50,600 –> 00:28:52,160
Right, because it’s not the
right environment.

533
00:28:52,600 –> 00:28:55,200
Yeah.
And so it’s sort of, you know, I

534
00:28:55,200 –> 00:29:00,360
believe it in my heart, you
know, but so I guess my my sort

535
00:29:00,360 –> 00:29:03,120
of coup de grace and I’ll lead
into this.

536
00:29:03,120 –> 00:29:07,040
You know, like I said, a lot of
it is the mistranslation of

537
00:29:07,040 –> 00:29:09,760
these words.
And it’s also true of if you

538
00:29:09,760 –> 00:29:12,440
look at the word orangutang,
which is, you know, obviously

539
00:29:12,440 –> 00:29:15,440
one of the great apes, Orangus
person who Tain is of the

540
00:29:15,440 –> 00:29:17,120
forest.
It’s it’s a forest person.

541
00:29:17,240 –> 00:29:18,840
Literally, that’s what it
translates to.

542
00:29:19,320 –> 00:29:23,520
I was always interested in that
because again, it’s a person.

543
00:29:23,520 –> 00:29:27,680
It’s looked at as a not so much
a different species, but

544
00:29:27,680 –> 00:29:30,640
something that’s on the same
level as us through the

545
00:29:30,640 –> 00:29:33,840
tradition of their culture and
the way they chose to talk about

546
00:29:33,840 –> 00:29:37,200
that particular species in the
same way that we chose in the

547
00:29:37,200 –> 00:29:40,200
Pacific Northwestern stylish,
right, which is to talk about

548
00:29:40,320 –> 00:29:43,880
the art analogue of that, right?
And so I feel there’s this like,

549
00:29:43,880 –> 00:29:48,400
like connection to it being
considered a person, but maybe

550
00:29:48,440 –> 00:29:50,720
not, or being considered a
humanoid.

551
00:29:50,720 –> 00:29:54,440
And then the indigenous cultures
just not having the word

552
00:29:54,440 –> 00:29:57,440
humanoid because that’s, you
know, a modern taxonomical term

553
00:29:57,520 –> 00:29:58,680
to call him.
That’s what he’s called it a

554
00:29:58,680 –> 00:30:03,000
person or a man or a woman.
My point being is my uncle, who

555
00:30:03,000 –> 00:30:06,280
is a big hunter, we were all we
all haunted in the Olympics.

556
00:30:06,400 –> 00:30:08,360
My dad and my uncle I spent the
most time with.

557
00:30:08,400 –> 00:30:11,280
And my uncle is a true believer.
Like he believes in Bigfoot

558
00:30:11,400 –> 00:30:14,680
100%.
He thinks he has heard it and he

559
00:30:14,680 –> 00:30:17,400
thinks he has not encountered
it, but has been near it.

560
00:30:17,440 –> 00:30:21,560
And his evidence is this.
And just bear with me for a

561
00:30:21,560 –> 00:30:24,280
moment.
His evidence is if you’re a good

562
00:30:24,920 –> 00:30:27,200
tracker and hunter, you know,
the different smells of the

563
00:30:27,200 –> 00:30:29,840
animals, you know, deer smell
like this, you know, bears smell

564
00:30:29,840 –> 00:30:32,680
like this, You know, you know,
female Elks and estrus and their

565
00:30:32,680 –> 00:30:34,840
herds smell like that, etcetera,
etcetera.

566
00:30:35,360 –> 00:30:37,880
Well, he always told me and my
dad and my cousins, there’s this

567
00:30:37,880 –> 00:30:40,560
one place up in the mountains
that smells completely different

568
00:30:40,560 –> 00:30:42,720
and it’s weird and it’s funky.
And he and he thinks that’s

569
00:30:42,720 –> 00:30:45,360
where the big feet are.
And we’re always like, sure,

570
00:30:45,480 –> 00:30:48,760
sure, yeah, whatever.
Like you’re, you know, it’s one

571
00:30:48,760 –> 00:30:50,840
of those things where it’s like,
you know, you’re, you’re tailing

572
00:30:50,840 –> 00:30:53,760
tails around a campfire and, you
know, it’s the middle of the

573
00:30:53,760 –> 00:30:55,480
night and you’re trying to scare
the kids sort of thing.

574
00:30:55,480 –> 00:30:57,240
Right.
Like, yeah, we always sort of

575
00:30:57,240 –> 00:31:00,760
gave him shit about it.
You know, it was like not, you

576
00:31:00,760 –> 00:31:02,760
know, not not viciously or
anything, but you know, it was

577
00:31:02,760 –> 00:31:04,640
always sort of that.
And finally he was like, no,

578
00:31:04,640 –> 00:31:08,120
I’ll fucking take you up there.
Like it’s you got a hike hiking.

579
00:31:08,120 –> 00:31:10,680
It’s like 2 days going into the
goddamn mountains.

580
00:31:10,680 –> 00:31:13,280
And we’re like humor.
And because it’s like, we like

581
00:31:13,280 –> 00:31:15,400
hiking in there anyway.
You know, if you see a deer, you

582
00:31:15,400 –> 00:31:17,480
get a deer sort of thing.
It’s always beautiful.

583
00:31:17,480 –> 00:31:19,520
You know, we have fun.
So we’re like, you know, let’s

584
00:31:19,560 –> 00:31:20,720
do it.
Like let’s have this fun.

585
00:31:20,760 –> 00:31:23,040
And we hike in there for two
days and he takes you to the

586
00:31:23,040 –> 00:31:26,320
spot and I swear to God, it
smells fucking weird.

587
00:31:26,400 –> 00:31:28,760
It doesn’t smell like deer,
doesn’t smell like elk, It

588
00:31:28,760 –> 00:31:31,080
doesn’t smell like Cougars,
doesn’t smell like mountain

589
00:31:31,080 –> 00:31:33,440
sheep, but there’s we weren’t
that high up anyway, so it

590
00:31:33,440 –> 00:31:36,360
wouldn’t smell like them.
My point being, it smelled musky

591
00:31:36,360 –> 00:31:40,520
and shitty, almost kind of like
a zoo, which is really weird

592
00:31:40,520 –> 00:31:43,720
when you’re deep in the woods,
because that’s a smell that just

593
00:31:44,400 –> 00:31:46,160
doesn’t compute.
And we’re like, yeah, it smells

594
00:31:46,160 –> 00:31:48,520
weird.
Maybe there’s a hot spring and

595
00:31:48,520 –> 00:31:51,960
some, you know, minerals coming
up mixing with sulfur and making

596
00:31:51,960 –> 00:31:54,000
it smell weird.
I, you know, there’s a million

597
00:31:54,000 –> 00:31:55,040
explanations.
It could be.

598
00:31:55,400 –> 00:31:59,640
I will, I will admit it did
smell animal like, you know,

599
00:31:59,640 –> 00:32:01,840
like, OK, I’ll, I’ll, you know,
we gave them that.

600
00:32:01,880 –> 00:32:04,080
We had a good time.
You know, we told stories around

601
00:32:04,080 –> 00:32:07,240
the campfire and, you know, hike
backed out and it was a great,

602
00:32:07,280 –> 00:32:09,800
it was a great weekend or
whatever, four day week,

603
00:32:09,800 –> 00:32:13,040
whatever it was.
And I didn’t really think about

604
00:32:13,040 –> 00:32:14,560
it again.
And to bring it back to

605
00:32:14,560 –> 00:32:17,800
orangutans, I was living in
Jakarta with my wife.

606
00:32:18,360 –> 00:32:20,160
I had very good friends who were
living in Singapore.

607
00:32:20,160 –> 00:32:22,680
We both happened to have a
vacation at the same time.

608
00:32:22,680 –> 00:32:24,440
So we’re like, hey, let’s go to
Sumatra.

609
00:32:24,440 –> 00:32:27,840
Let’s go to Medan or northern
Sumatra, go to Lake Toba, see

610
00:32:27,840 –> 00:32:30,280
the, you know, the biggest
volcano that nearly destroyed

611
00:32:30,280 –> 00:32:35,360
all of humanity when it blew and
go to Phuket Luang, where one of

612
00:32:35,360 –> 00:32:38,120
the only two wild orangutan
habitats are.

613
00:32:38,200 –> 00:32:41,160
And it was sort of thing weak.
Went to car, drive into the,

614
00:32:41,480 –> 00:32:44,720
into the, we get to the place
where the habitat is.

615
00:32:44,720 –> 00:32:47,400
You know, we get there at night,
go to sleep, wake up in the

616
00:32:47,840 –> 00:32:51,040
balls early in the morning at
like four or five to hike into

617
00:32:51,160 –> 00:32:52,960
the and like Adam, you said,
like you’re not going to do this

618
00:32:52,960 –> 00:32:54,400
on your own.
You need somebody to take you in

619
00:32:54,400 –> 00:32:58,120
there knowing where they are.
Like it’s a like very, very sort

620
00:32:58,120 –> 00:33:00,560
of like particular thing.
Like they’re way up in the

621
00:33:00,560 –> 00:33:02,600
trees.
And anyway, we’re hiking in,

622
00:33:02,600 –> 00:33:05,080
hiking in, the sun’s coming up,
and, you know, there’s the huge

623
00:33:05,080 –> 00:33:08,800
banyan trees.
And suddenly, and this I just

624
00:33:08,800 –> 00:33:12,680
attribute to I do think there’s
a big energy exchange between

625
00:33:12,760 –> 00:33:15,280
animals and people, especially
in wild situations.

626
00:33:15,280 –> 00:33:19,800
But the energy got really weird.
And it smelled exactly like

627
00:33:19,800 –> 00:33:21,760
where my uncle took us up in the
Olympics.

628
00:33:22,160 –> 00:33:25,800
And I looked up and there were
five orangutans, 2 females with

629
00:33:25,800 –> 00:33:29,040
two babies and another younger
female on her own up in the

630
00:33:29,040 –> 00:33:32,840
trees just munching away.
And I was just like, I, it was

631
00:33:32,840 –> 00:33:34,760
like that whole thing rushed
back to me.

632
00:33:34,760 –> 00:33:38,080
Like, you know, when you have
like, a massive, like, the most

633
00:33:38,080 –> 00:33:43,880
massive deja vu ever.
Yeah, and it was, it smelled, I

634
00:33:43,880 –> 00:33:47,440
mean, identical, which I can
logically say it doesn’t make

635
00:33:47,440 –> 00:33:50,440
sense because it’s a fucking,
you know, tropical rainforest

636
00:33:50,440 –> 00:33:52,520
and not a temperate one.
It shouldn’t spell the same.

637
00:33:52,520 –> 00:33:55,160
But those were apes in a forest.
And it smelled the fucking same

638
00:33:55,160 –> 00:33:57,760
to me.
And so I walked away, called to

639
00:33:57,760 –> 00:33:59,720
my uncle and said, I’m sorry we
made fun of you.

640
00:33:59,880 –> 00:34:03,760
You might be right.
And that’s why there’s 25% of me

641
00:34:03,880 –> 00:34:08,239
that believes there might be
humanoid ape living in the

642
00:34:08,239 –> 00:34:10,159
forest that we just haven’t seen
yet.

643
00:34:10,280 –> 00:34:13,120
Does this mean I can’t be a
hunter or a tracker with

644
00:34:13,120 –> 00:34:15,159
allergies?
It doesn’t help.

645
00:34:15,679 –> 00:34:17,600
Yeah, I’m thinking that’s what
it means a lot.

646
00:34:18,440 –> 00:34:22,840
Of fur out there.
And a lot of a lot of pollen.

647
00:34:22,840 –> 00:34:23,800
Oh.
Yeah, yeah.

648
00:34:23,920 –> 00:34:27,040
No, I mean, the Redwood forest
in Northern California is where

649
00:34:27,040 –> 00:34:30,159
I became allergic to mosquitoes.
So I’m going to say no, but

650
00:34:30,440 –> 00:34:33,239
it’s.
Yeah, mosquitoes, but yeah, so

651
00:34:33,239 –> 00:34:35,520
that’s sort of like.
It is a wild.

652
00:34:36,040 –> 00:34:38,560
Story it is it it it is a wild
story.

653
00:34:38,719 –> 00:34:42,280
I mean, I could argue the smell
could be a bunch of different

654
00:34:42,280 –> 00:34:46,280
things, but like you’re kind of
saying that and I can’t argue

655
00:34:46,280 –> 00:34:51,800
the possibility that the most
solitary of the great apes could

656
00:34:51,800 –> 00:34:54,440
have an extant population
somewhere.

657
00:34:54,760 –> 00:34:58,440
It’s very possible.
It’s a lot more possible than

658
00:34:58,440 –> 00:35:02,560
like the all of the, you know,
20th century white people

659
00:35:02,560 –> 00:35:07,160
conceptions of big feet that I
have an entire page of a Google

660
00:35:07,160 –> 00:35:10,480
Doc that is useless now.
I’m so sorry.

661
00:35:10,600 –> 00:35:12,400
No, don’t be sorry.
I’m glad.

662
00:35:12,480 –> 00:35:14,320
I’m glad.
I actually.

663
00:35:14,400 –> 00:35:16,280
I love this possibility.
Yeah.

664
00:35:16,440 –> 00:35:18,520
And I think it’s a possibility,
yeah.

665
00:35:19,000 –> 00:35:20,600
And it’s just a possibility,
right?

666
00:35:20,600 –> 00:35:22,080
Like I’m not, I didn’t see
anything.

667
00:35:22,200 –> 00:35:25,080
But smell is the strongest sense
tied to memory.

668
00:35:25,240 –> 00:35:28,840
It’s possible there was
something the same.

669
00:35:28,840 –> 00:35:32,320
Whether it was an ape like
creature or just something

670
00:35:32,320 –> 00:35:33,960
within the atmosphere, we don’t
know.

671
00:35:33,960 –> 00:35:35,440
But it’s possible there was
something the same.

672
00:35:35,560 –> 00:35:42,360
Yeah, and now I need you to go
back and catch one, please, so

673
00:35:42,400 –> 00:35:47,000
we can put this to rest finally.
So what I, I, I sort of kicked

674
00:35:47,000 –> 00:35:49,080
myself.
I was doing work in Goma in the

675
00:35:49,080 –> 00:35:51,600
DRC in O 9.
I mean, that’s where you left to

676
00:35:51,600 –> 00:35:55,800
go up to Verbumga to see the
wild eastern mountain gorillas.

677
00:35:55,800 –> 00:35:57,880
Like what are the last
populations of those?

678
00:35:58,440 –> 00:36:01,080
And I just didn’t have time
before I had to leave the

679
00:36:01,080 –> 00:36:02,440
country to go up there and do
that.

680
00:36:02,440 –> 00:36:06,600
But I want to, I, I wish I would
have because I want to know how

681
00:36:06,600 –> 00:36:10,840
it fucking smelled.
And it’s the sort of thing I

682
00:36:10,840 –> 00:36:13,160
kick myself now because I feel
like that could have been, that

683
00:36:13,160 –> 00:36:16,360
would have just like took me
from 25% to maybe 50%.

684
00:36:16,640 –> 00:36:20,120
I think you got the right apes
actually being in Asia, being

685
00:36:20,120 –> 00:36:25,600
close to Gigantopithecus, yeah,
being the most solitary of all

686
00:36:26,040 –> 00:36:28,520
ape species, I think.
I think you picked the right

687
00:36:28,520 –> 00:36:29,640
ones.
Yeah.

688
00:36:29,640 –> 00:36:34,160
And it could just, it could be
like an offshoot of orangutans

689
00:36:34,160 –> 00:36:36,120
that just made it here and
stayed in.

690
00:36:36,120 –> 00:36:37,280
That I mean it would.
It would have.

691
00:36:37,440 –> 00:36:40,800
To be yeah, if we haven’t seen.
Because it is different climate,

692
00:36:40,800 –> 00:36:41,480
yeah.
Yeah.

693
00:36:41,920 –> 00:36:45,560
But also, yeah, I mean, that it
was, you know, Long story short,

694
00:36:45,680 –> 00:36:47,480
I got to see orangutans.
That was cool.

695
00:36:48,120 –> 00:36:52,560
No, you know, sort of, you know,
and it’s it’s the sort of thing

696
00:36:52,560 –> 00:36:55,480
where, you know, and look, you
want to talk about empty land.

697
00:36:55,480 –> 00:36:58,720
There’s two United States worth
of land in Russia that is

698
00:36:58,720 –> 00:37:00,840
untouched.
Like who knows what’s in there?

699
00:37:00,880 –> 00:37:04,840
Like literally a meteor exploded
over part of it and like wiped

700
00:37:04,840 –> 00:37:07,280
out, you know, hundreds of
thousands of acres and people

701
00:37:07,280 –> 00:37:08,800
that even realize for a decade,
yeah.

702
00:37:08,920 –> 00:37:11,120
You know, like there’s, there’s
so much.

703
00:37:11,560 –> 00:37:13,600
What’s that?
Oh God, they were.

704
00:37:13,640 –> 00:37:17,080
Tunga Tuaga, something like
that.

705
00:37:17,480 –> 00:37:20,240
There we go.
So there’s so much amazing stuff

706
00:37:20,240 –> 00:37:22,160
out there.
I think, you know, for me, just

707
00:37:22,160 –> 00:37:25,720
as you know, I’ll, I’ll shut up.
But it’s the sort of thing where

708
00:37:25,840 –> 00:37:28,760
it’s exciting because it’s like
if you take away all the fucking

709
00:37:28,800 –> 00:37:32,160
History Channel bullshit of it
and all the, you know, the white

710
00:37:32,160 –> 00:37:35,400
supremacy bullshit of it,
there’s still like, I think it’s

711
00:37:35,400 –> 00:37:38,600
exciting and fun because it’s I
kind of brings out the kid in me

712
00:37:38,600 –> 00:37:40,320
like, hey, maybe there is
something cool out there we

713
00:37:40,320 –> 00:37:42,480
haven’t discovered yet.
And there’s still so much in

714
00:37:42,480 –> 00:37:45,880
this world we haven’t discovered
and we don’t know when we know

715
00:37:45,880 –> 00:37:48,480
so much and there’s so much shit
and it’s very, you know, blah,

716
00:37:48,480 –> 00:37:50,960
blah, blah, blah, blah.
It kind of to me, I like the

717
00:37:50,960 –> 00:37:52,800
excitement.
If they’re still being stuff out

718
00:37:52,800 –> 00:37:55,480
there that’s worth discovering,
yeah.

719
00:37:55,880 –> 00:38:00,280
Well, that absolutely, yeah.
Yeah, 100% agree with that.

720
00:38:00,600 –> 00:38:02,520
Yeah, so that’s why I believe in
Bigfoot.

721
00:38:03,720 –> 00:38:06,920
I came here thinking I was going
to fight and I have nothing to

722
00:38:06,920 –> 00:38:11,040
fight.
Well, let’s see what’s what’s,

723
00:38:11,040 –> 00:38:12,720
what’s the next jump back?
Should we go into Nessie?

724
00:38:15,360 –> 00:38:18,680
Oh my God, there’s a theory that
Hitler killed Nessie that makes

725
00:38:18,680 –> 00:38:22,640
me very tickled.
I think it’s ridiculous, but

726
00:38:22,640 –> 00:38:26,280
also it’s hilarious.
And naughty Hitler, Why I?

727
00:38:26,400 –> 00:38:28,520
Hadn’t heard that one, now I’m
really mad.

728
00:38:29,960 –> 00:38:33,440
Yeah.
And yeah, it’s yeah, he sucked

729
00:38:33,440 –> 00:38:37,960
before, but it’s.
Interesting Hannah brings up

730
00:38:37,960 –> 00:38:41,160
Hitler because I was going to.
I know I’ve recommended it

731
00:38:41,320 –> 00:38:45,080
before, I’m sure, but just, you
know, for whatever reason, given

732
00:38:45,080 –> 00:38:49,640
today’s times we’re living in
cannot recommend enough the film

733
00:38:49,680 –> 00:38:52,720
the man who killed Hitler and
then the Bigfoot.

734
00:38:52,800 –> 00:38:56,800
It given the title, you think
it’s going to be a like silly

735
00:38:56,800 –> 00:39:02,680
bullshit B movie and it is not.
It’s so fucking good.

736
00:39:03,160 –> 00:39:06,160
The other person who recommended
that to me was my mom.

737
00:39:06,160 –> 00:39:10,800
So I I have to watch it now?
It fucking rules, it’s so good.

738
00:39:11,120 –> 00:39:14,160
And I’m a huge Sam Elliott fan
to begin with, but him in that

739
00:39:14,160 –> 00:39:16,720
movie is astonishing.
Yeah.

740
00:39:16,800 –> 00:39:18,720
Like, astonishing.
Like the turn, Like, I don’t

741
00:39:18,720 –> 00:39:19,800
know.
I’m not going to spoil anything,

742
00:39:19,800 –> 00:39:21,160
but the turn that movie makes
it’s.

743
00:39:21,360 –> 00:39:24,000
It was.
And also you hear that title and

744
00:39:24,000 –> 00:39:25,320
you’re like.
Well, what the hell do?

745
00:39:25,320 –> 00:39:28,680
Hitler and Bigfoot have to do
with each other and it makes

746
00:39:28,680 –> 00:39:30,800
perfect sense by the end of the
movie.

747
00:39:30,840 –> 00:39:33,760
It’s so good, fucking love it.
Yeah, I you know what?

748
00:39:33,760 –> 00:39:36,400
I might watch that tonight.
Yeah, I think I’m going to watch

749
00:39:36,400 –> 00:39:39,160
it again this week for sure.
Yeah, he was really good.

750
00:39:39,760 –> 00:39:41,720
Excellent recommendation.
Files in this house.

751
00:39:41,720 –> 00:39:44,320
I’m so happy.
You’re afraid it’s.

752
00:39:45,800 –> 00:39:48,600
My boyfriend has a podcast and
they’ve finished.

753
00:39:48,680 –> 00:39:51,920
They’ve done the last of 11.
Wow.

754
00:39:52,800 –> 00:39:56,120
They’ve they’ve done God’s,
they’ve done God’s work there.

755
00:39:56,120 –> 00:39:59,640
That’s incredible.
I started doing a lost podcast

756
00:39:59,640 –> 00:40:02,160
and we gave up after one season.
It’s hard.

757
00:40:02,360 –> 00:40:04,360
It’s hard going back and
rewatching stuff, man.

758
00:40:04,360 –> 00:40:08,760
Like I tried, I tried.
Yeah, there’s the fact that the

759
00:40:08,880 –> 00:40:11,360
even the podcast gave up after
one season.

760
00:40:11,760 –> 00:40:14,600
Yeah, exactly.
I love that for.

761
00:40:14,800 –> 00:40:17,280
You somewhere that podcast is
still going.

762
00:40:17,360 –> 00:40:18,720
It’s just.
Not here.

763
00:40:18,800 –> 00:40:20,560
Not here.
Yeah, definitely not.

764
00:40:20,600 –> 00:40:23,960
Definitely not in purgatory.
Oh, no, no, definitely not.

765
00:40:23,960 –> 00:40:27,760
Definitely not purgatory.
No, no.

766
00:40:30,360 –> 00:40:33,160
So it’s purgatory.
I mean purgatory, it’s 90%

767
00:40:33,160 –> 00:40:35,680
podcasts.
Yeah, you know, And I bet that’s

768
00:40:35,680 –> 00:40:37,640
where Bigfoot hides.
He goes through like a

769
00:40:37,640 –> 00:40:41,080
transdimensional slip and like
goes into purgatory anytime like

770
00:40:41,080 –> 00:40:44,600
a person comes near him.
Oh yeah, Skinwalker Ranch,

771
00:40:44,640 –> 00:40:45,320
everybody.
I.

772
00:40:47,800 –> 00:40:50,480
Don’t know.
I mean, I like, I really enjoyed

773
00:40:50,720 –> 00:40:53,880
talking with you guys.
I think like Bigfoot can be fun

774
00:40:53,920 –> 00:40:55,480
again.
Let’s make Bigfoot fun again.

775
00:40:56,440 –> 00:40:58,720
I don’t know.
It’s sort of like it’s supposed

776
00:40:58,720 –> 00:41:00,520
to be stupid fun, for God’s
sakes.

777
00:41:00,520 –> 00:41:04,320
It’s a big ape carved out of
wood that you see in, you know,

778
00:41:04,520 –> 00:41:07,920
on the beach in Seattle.
That’s supposed to be fun.

779
00:41:08,240 –> 00:41:10,600
And yeah, the stick Indian thing
aside.

780
00:41:10,800 –> 00:41:12,560
But, you know, I’m not going to
say that word.

781
00:41:12,640 –> 00:41:14,600
Watch out for stick Indians.
They’ll fuck you up.

782
00:41:14,880 –> 00:41:17,480
But yeah.
And now watch, this will be

783
00:41:17,480 –> 00:41:21,360
another thing like Pete Rose may
be getting reinstated into

784
00:41:21,360 –> 00:41:25,080
baseball, where Trump will just
sign an executive order and be

785
00:41:25,080 –> 00:41:27,840
like, Bigfoot’s real.
And then I’m just going to be

786
00:41:27,840 –> 00:41:30,640
like, aw, fuck you.
No, he’s not.

787
00:41:30,720 –> 00:41:32,960
Shut up.
I don’t want it to happen that

788
00:41:32,960 –> 00:41:33,800
way.
Fuck.

789
00:41:33,800 –> 00:41:34,280
You.
Yeah.

790
00:41:34,440 –> 00:41:36,800
No, no, don’t.
Yeah.

791
00:41:37,760 –> 00:41:41,160
Don’t make this like vaccines.
Yeah, Pete Rose is dead.

792
00:41:41,160 –> 00:41:43,080
Fuck him and you.
Fuck you both.

793
00:41:44,360 –> 00:41:49,840
It’s it’s they’re there’s some
things that don’t need to exist

794
00:41:49,960 –> 00:41:53,760
in like the like hard science
realm until they do.

795
00:41:54,160 –> 00:41:55,040
Yeah.
Right.

796
00:41:55,080 –> 00:41:57,440
Absolutely.
And it’s also like I tried to

797
00:41:57,440 –> 00:42:00,320
say at the beginning, like oral
traditions and myths are those

798
00:42:00,320 –> 00:42:02,120
things.
It’s mostly allegorical.

799
00:42:02,120 –> 00:42:04,880
I fully understand that.
And but I do.

800
00:42:04,920 –> 00:42:09,640
There’s always, there’s always
thread of truth or reality to

801
00:42:09,680 –> 00:42:13,320
any oral tradition or myth like
I I do truly believe that and

802
00:42:13,320 –> 00:42:14,600
so.
I mean, it sounds like there’s a

803
00:42:14,600 –> 00:42:19,000
lot of history to it, especially
considering how many different

804
00:42:19,000 –> 00:42:22,480
groups have a similar myth.
Yeah, right.

805
00:42:22,840 –> 00:42:25,840
But also, again, you know,
there’s a lot of context in

806
00:42:25,920 –> 00:42:28,360
when, what were those cultures
going through?

807
00:42:28,360 –> 00:42:30,480
Like, where were they?
What was happening, you know, in

808
00:42:30,520 –> 00:42:33,880
the the timeline?
And I think a lot of a lot of a

809
00:42:33,920 –> 00:42:37,640
lot of it can be boiled down to
feral people just living out in

810
00:42:37,640 –> 00:42:41,400
the wilderness.
But maybe I hope in my 25% of my

811
00:42:41,400 –> 00:42:45,120
soul that it is a humanoid ape.
That would be better.

812
00:42:45,240 –> 00:42:48,000
It would be a lot cooler.
I would prefer that.

813
00:42:48,120 –> 00:42:50,440
But yeah, it would be a lot
cooler.

814
00:42:50,480 –> 00:42:54,120
But hey, if there are just
people who don’t want to be

815
00:42:54,120 –> 00:42:57,040
contacted, we, we can leave him
alone.

816
00:42:57,160 –> 00:42:58,600
Yeah, Trump should leave him
alone.

817
00:42:58,720 –> 00:43:00,160
Someone make Trump leave him
alone.

818
00:43:00,200 –> 00:43:03,120
Yeah, I was just going to say
one of the most underrated human

819
00:43:03,120 –> 00:43:06,480
rights in the world is the right
to be left the fuck alone.

820
00:43:06,560 –> 00:43:08,120
Yeah.
Yes, which exactly?

821
00:43:08,400 –> 00:43:11,320
There are a lot of people who
would take that right now.

822
00:43:11,320 –> 00:43:13,440
I’m on.
I’m on your side, Bigfoot.

823
00:43:13,560 –> 00:43:14,680
I get it.
Yeah.

824
00:43:15,040 –> 00:43:18,760
And, and also sort of AI like to
champion indigenous oral

825
00:43:18,760 –> 00:43:20,760
history.
And like, you know, I put in

826
00:43:20,760 –> 00:43:24,440
some pictures of, you know, how
we used to dress in the Pacific

827
00:43:24,440 –> 00:43:28,560
Northwest and we masked like
wooden cedar masks were huge in

828
00:43:28,560 –> 00:43:31,040
our culture, painted and
decorated.

829
00:43:31,040 –> 00:43:35,240
And we often wore, we bred this
specific dog on a couple

830
00:43:35,240 –> 00:43:39,000
islands, and we’d use their hair
to make black and red cloaks in

831
00:43:39,000 –> 00:43:40,880
the.
As I mentioned before, I come

832
00:43:40,880 –> 00:43:44,360
from a very shamanistic
tradition, given that the best

833
00:43:44,360 –> 00:43:46,560
suicide in the world comes from
the Olympic Peninsula.

834
00:43:46,920 –> 00:43:50,520
So imagine like bumping into me
300 years ago with a mask on,

835
00:43:50,600 –> 00:43:53,160
tripping my balls off in a black
dog hair cloak.

836
00:43:53,760 –> 00:43:55,600
Yeah, you might think I’m a
fucking book fit.

837
00:43:56,200 –> 00:43:58,320
Yeah.
Very possible.

838
00:43:59,120 –> 00:44:01,680
Does that does that species of
dogs still exist?

839
00:44:02,040 –> 00:44:04,280
No, it was wiped out when white
people got there.

840
00:44:04,440 –> 00:44:07,160
Fuckers.
Yeah, unfortunately, I, they did

841
00:44:07,800 –> 00:44:11,040
try to sequence the DNA and I
think they want to, you know,

842
00:44:11,040 –> 00:44:12,960
see if they can woolly mammoth
it back.

843
00:44:13,000 –> 00:44:15,960
But it’s there’s nobody, there’s
no real money behind it because

844
00:44:15,960 –> 00:44:18,680
my reservation is very, very
destitute.

845
00:44:18,720 –> 00:44:23,280
And so our whole culture is very
on the edge of, you know,

846
00:44:23,280 –> 00:44:25,960
existence.
So cloning a dog from 200 years

847
00:44:25,960 –> 00:44:29,000
ago, not exactly the top of the
old list of things to do.

848
00:44:29,080 –> 00:44:32,040
Yeah, it would be awesome.
Yeah.

849
00:44:32,040 –> 00:44:34,440
Most people, most people don’t
even think dogs were in the

850
00:44:34,440 –> 00:44:36,160
Americas before the European
showed up.

851
00:44:36,160 –> 00:44:39,320
So, you know, be nice to.
He’d be right.

852
00:44:39,320 –> 00:44:40,520
Nice to reverse that.
A picture.

853
00:44:40,760 –> 00:44:42,240
Yeah.
Of course we.

854
00:44:42,240 –> 00:44:44,360
Brought.
We bring them everywhere.

855
00:44:45,960 –> 00:44:49,200
But yeah, man, it’s a, it’s not
like I said, let’s make Bigfoot

856
00:44:49,200 –> 00:44:52,520
fun again.
Like it’s it’s and also I like,

857
00:44:52,520 –> 00:44:55,000
I like the very core of even the
stick man thing.

858
00:44:55,000 –> 00:44:58,520
It’s like, hey, don’t be a piece
of shit and you won’t get

859
00:44:58,520 –> 00:45:00,520
destroyed.
Hey, that’s the core of that.

860
00:45:00,520 –> 00:45:02,080
But you know the whole thing
and.

861
00:45:02,600 –> 00:45:04,360
Those are words to live by right
there.

862
00:45:04,600 –> 00:45:09,200
Just again, any encounter,
animal person, Yeah, don’t be a

863
00:45:09,200 –> 00:45:11,920
piece of shit, yeah.
People can change.

864
00:45:11,920 –> 00:45:16,160
I used to be a piece of shit.
Yeah, I mean, I’m sure we’ve had

865
00:45:16,920 –> 00:45:21,280
our moments, but my last point
is, if you see Bigfoot, please

866
00:45:21,280 –> 00:45:23,040
don’t shoot it.
Yeah, don’t shoot Bigfoot.

867
00:45:23,760 –> 00:45:26,880
God.
Yeah, my, I guess last thing

868
00:45:26,880 –> 00:45:31,320
about Bigfoot and people who
don’t believe Bigfoot is real,

869
00:45:31,360 –> 00:45:34,560
that’s fine.
But don’t like not believe it.

870
00:45:34,560 –> 00:45:38,080
In a way you’re just like, no, I
know absolutely for sure.

871
00:45:38,080 –> 00:45:41,240
It’s like, not if you’re just a
motherfucker doing a podcast you

872
00:45:41,240 –> 00:45:43,000
don’t like, that’s not your
field.

873
00:45:43,040 –> 00:45:44,960
You’re not out looking.
Fricted at me.

874
00:45:45,200 –> 00:45:46,760
Bigfoot.
No, no, not OK.

875
00:45:47,480 –> 00:45:50,760
No, because I mean, there’s some
people who like, I don’t know,

876
00:45:50,880 –> 00:45:52,240
it’s.
No, I know what you mean.

877
00:45:52,240 –> 00:45:55,040
I’ve it’s it’s coming from an
Indigenous background.

878
00:45:55,040 –> 00:45:58,000
The amount of erasure of just
like complete dismissal of your

879
00:45:58,240 –> 00:46:00,920
myths, your history, your
science, your medicine, your

880
00:46:01,120 –> 00:46:03,000
everything.
It’s like, yeah, like, thanks,

881
00:46:03,160 –> 00:46:06,160
you know, like.
Yeah, it, I don’t know, it kind

882
00:46:06,160 –> 00:46:09,520
of, I don’t know, just reminds
me of conspiracy theories in

883
00:46:09,520 –> 00:46:13,720
general where I don’t, it feels
unhealthy to be totally

884
00:46:13,720 –> 00:46:16,080
convinced either way.
Like there’s never any

885
00:46:16,080 –> 00:46:19,480
conspiracy theories or every
conspiracy theory is real.

886
00:46:19,760 –> 00:46:22,360
Like an unhealthy.
I mean, if we’re talking

887
00:46:22,360 –> 00:46:24,520
conspiracy theories, unhealthy
is the right fucking word.

888
00:46:24,640 –> 00:46:28,040
But like with Bigfoot, I don’t
know, just have some room in

889
00:46:28,040 –> 00:46:29,320
your heart.
You never know.

890
00:46:29,360 –> 00:46:31,560
Don’t get and don’t get mad at
people, Hannah.

891
00:46:31,560 –> 00:46:34,080
Don’t get mad at people when
they think Bigfoot might be

892
00:46:34,080 –> 00:46:35,880
real.
It’s not something to be get mad

893
00:46:35,880 –> 00:46:37,600
about.
You can get mad at the guy that

894
00:46:37,600 –> 00:46:39,800
made the fake videos.
Obviously that guy sucks.

895
00:46:39,840 –> 00:46:41,440
And the fake footprints.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

896
00:46:41,640 –> 00:46:43,720
All that and the fake cat and
the cast that was probably an

897
00:46:43,720 –> 00:46:45,680
ilk.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

898
00:46:45,680 –> 00:46:48,600
I think a lot of.
As long as I can get mad at

899
00:46:48,600 –> 00:46:53,040
those people, I’m happy.
I don’t think we have seen any

900
00:46:53,040 –> 00:46:56,600
like compelling Bigfoot foot.
I feel like I’ve seen more

901
00:46:56,600 –> 00:47:00,760
compelling ghost shit than I’ve
seen Bigfoot stuff.

902
00:47:00,760 –> 00:47:04,760
I mean, that’s another thing
that a lot of human cultures

903
00:47:04,760 –> 00:47:07,400
have a conception of, and the
conceptions are wildly

904
00:47:07,400 –> 00:47:11,840
different, but there’s something
in our brains or something about

905
00:47:11,840 –> 00:47:16,680
us that ghosts.
And it’s a thing even in the

906
00:47:16,680 –> 00:47:19,840
United States.
We used to be way, way, way, way

907
00:47:19,840 –> 00:47:24,320
more open to the idea of ghosts
and a spirit world, especially

908
00:47:24,320 –> 00:47:27,560
around the early 1900s.
If you read the book The Science

909
00:47:27,560 –> 00:47:30,440
of Getting Rich, which is
essentially the Secret, it’s

910
00:47:30,440 –> 00:47:32,720
like the original version of the
Secret.

911
00:47:32,720 –> 00:47:36,840
It came out in like 1910.
We talked about it on an episode

912
00:47:36,840 –> 00:47:40,480
about the three books that
explain Donald Trump on the

913
00:47:40,480 –> 00:47:44,760
Unpopular Opinion podcast, the
other being the authoritarians,

914
00:47:44,760 –> 00:47:48,400
and I forget the name of it, but
the book Mary Trump wrote about

915
00:47:48,400 –> 00:47:51,440
Donald Trump.
But in the Science of Getting

916
00:47:51,440 –> 00:47:55,320
Rich, there’s a whole passage
where the guy who wrote the book

917
00:47:55,320 –> 00:47:58,200
is like, and listen, don’t worry
about ghosts.

918
00:47:58,240 –> 00:48:00,000
They have their own shit to deal
with.

919
00:48:00,000 –> 00:48:04,880
They don’t have time for you, so
don’t you worry about them

920
00:48:05,040 –> 00:48:07,120
either.
Like you’ll meet up eventually,

921
00:48:07,120 –> 00:48:11,680
but for right now you focus on
you and let the ghosts be.

922
00:48:12,000 –> 00:48:14,840
And he was not like tongue in
cheek about it.

923
00:48:14,840 –> 00:48:18,720
He was just very matter of fact.
Like leave the ghost alone, see,

924
00:48:18,720 –> 00:48:19,960
I mean.
He’s got a point.

925
00:48:20,240 –> 00:48:23,000
Yeah, he does.
Wow, wow, that’s.

926
00:48:23,120 –> 00:48:27,440
I mean, yeah, I, I, I don’t
think if I saw a ghost in the

927
00:48:27,440 –> 00:48:30,440
woods I would shoot it either.
Yeah, yeah.

928
00:48:30,440 –> 00:48:32,680
Don’t shoot the Bigfoot if you
see it, Yeah.

929
00:48:32,920 –> 00:48:34,560
It’s let it, let it do its
thing.

930
00:48:35,280 –> 00:48:36,160
Ghosts.
Yeah.

931
00:48:36,360 –> 00:48:39,080
I mean, it’s a wild world out
there, That’s all I know.

932
00:48:39,080 –> 00:48:41,240
I spent a lot of time in the
woods and a lot of strange shit

933
00:48:41,240 –> 00:48:43,560
happens out there.
I spent a lot of time on the

934
00:48:43,560 –> 00:48:46,120
ocean and a lot of strange shit
happens out there.

935
00:48:46,360 –> 00:48:48,960
And it’s not like I’m not trying
to be, you know?

936
00:48:49,160 –> 00:48:52,040
I don’t know woo woo or anything
like that, but it’s like strange

937
00:48:52,040 –> 00:48:54,120
shit happens man.
Like it just does.

938
00:48:54,280 –> 00:48:56,880
Can you imagine your mind shit
is in the ocean.

939
00:48:57,160 –> 00:48:58,760
Oh yeah.
And your mind tries to fill in

940
00:48:58,760 –> 00:48:59,880
gaps.
Never see.

941
00:49:00,200 –> 00:49:02,160
Oh, never.
There’s probably shit swimming

942
00:49:02,160 –> 00:49:06,080
around on fire down there.
Like how?

943
00:49:06,320 –> 00:49:09,240
How are you doing that?
Next to hydrothermal vents, I’m

944
00:49:09,240 –> 00:49:11,440
sure there is.
Maybe.

945
00:49:12,120 –> 00:49:15,960
Oh, yeah, no, we’re, we’re,
there’s so much that we don’t

946
00:49:16,040 –> 00:49:18,960
know about the world.
I absolutely will.

947
00:49:19,400 –> 00:49:21,760
And I think that’s like back to
your point, Adam, where, you

948
00:49:21,760 –> 00:49:25,080
know, there are a lot of people
who are very dismissive outright

949
00:49:25,080 –> 00:49:27,440
of things where it’s like, hey,
you know, we don’t always know

950
00:49:27,440 –> 00:49:29,560
everything.
Like just have an open heart a

951
00:49:29,560 –> 00:49:32,560
little bit to normal things.
I’m not saying have an open

952
00:49:32,560 –> 00:49:34,720
heart to fucking like Hitler or
fascism.

953
00:49:36,600 –> 00:49:39,320
Have an open heart to Bigfoot
and maybe ghosts too.

954
00:49:39,320 –> 00:49:40,680
I think you should have an open
heart to ghosts.

955
00:49:41,360 –> 00:49:45,200
Tolerate the tolerant, yeah.
Chupacabra.

956
00:49:45,400 –> 00:49:47,120
How’s everyone?
What’s everyone’s stance on the

957
00:49:47,120 –> 00:49:49,040
Chupacabra?
Oh that’s definitely fake.

958
00:49:49,240 –> 00:49:53,320
Not cheap.
I don’t know for sure.

959
00:49:53,320 –> 00:49:57,000
I believe that there are two
different chupacabras if I’m not

960
00:49:57,000 –> 00:49:59,120
mistaken.
There’s so right, the Puerto

961
00:49:59,120 –> 00:50:01,920
Rican version and there’s the
Mexican version, which is the

962
00:50:01,920 –> 00:50:04,360
goat sucker that we kind of
know.

963
00:50:04,400 –> 00:50:08,800
And the Puerto Rican version is
more lizard like more if I’m

964
00:50:08,800 –> 00:50:10,680
honest, like the creature from
the movie species.

965
00:50:11,200 –> 00:50:14,520
Yeah.
I I feel like that I’ve heard

966
00:50:14,520 –> 00:50:17,960
that that’s like a very famous
debunking of that story is oh,

967
00:50:17,960 –> 00:50:20,000
that woman had just seen
species.

968
00:50:20,480 –> 00:50:24,120
That’s really making that woman
out to be like oh this dumb

969
00:50:24,120 –> 00:50:27,240
foreigner just saw fucking
species and oh.

970
00:50:27,440 –> 00:50:31,960
See, I’m going the opposite way.
I think the reason that these

971
00:50:31,960 –> 00:50:36,840
stories were so prevalent, I’m
guessing because during the time

972
00:50:36,840 –> 00:50:40,280
it was pushed back against
literal American imperialism in

973
00:50:40,280 –> 00:50:43,320
Puerto Rico and kind of
political theater that the mayor

974
00:50:43,960 –> 00:50:46,400
kind of drummed up, rather than
this poor woman who just saw

975
00:50:46,400 –> 00:50:53,440
something interesting.
And in Mexico, it was kind of a

976
00:50:53,920 –> 00:50:57,920
reassertion of older ancestral
myths against American cultural

977
00:50:57,920 –> 00:50:59,960
imperialism.
Now what about the?

978
00:51:00,720 –> 00:51:03,360
Pure guess, anyway.
Moss myth.

979
00:51:03,680 –> 00:51:04,400
No, I was.
I was.

980
00:51:04,640 –> 00:51:08,640
I was going to say the the
Montauk monster, which that one

981
00:51:08,680 –> 00:51:12,480
is interesting to me because
what you hear from a lot of

982
00:51:12,480 –> 00:51:15,440
people is well, yeah, that that
science guy said it was a

983
00:51:15,440 –> 00:51:17,800
raccoon.
And it’s like, yes, what about

984
00:51:17,800 –> 00:51:21,760
the other science guy who said
it’s definitely not a raccoon?

985
00:51:21,880 –> 00:51:23,560
I don’t I don’t know about this
one so I can.

986
00:51:23,600 –> 00:51:28,400
The Montauk Monster it there’s
still a lot of people who will

987
00:51:28,400 –> 00:51:31,240
tell you they don’t know what it
is, but a lot of people will

988
00:51:31,240 –> 00:51:33,520
also tell you it’s like a
raccoon with mange.

989
00:51:33,600 –> 00:51:37,280
And my pushback on that is why
aren’t there more raccoons being

990
00:51:37,280 –> 00:51:39,680
found that look like this thing,
but it’s fine.

991
00:51:39,760 –> 00:51:43,080
But the Montauk Monster, if you
Google it, the picture of it

992
00:51:43,080 –> 00:51:46,320
will come up immediately.
It washed up on a beach in New

993
00:51:46,320 –> 00:51:49,240
York.
And what’s crazy is it washed up

994
00:51:49,240 –> 00:51:52,640
on a beach in New York that is
right across from this

995
00:51:52,640 –> 00:51:55,360
government facility called Plum
Island.

996
00:51:55,600 –> 00:51:58,080
Oh, a lot of these things happen
near government facilities.

997
00:51:58,240 –> 00:52:02,760
The Puerto Rican Chupacabra, the
Mothman and Yeah.

998
00:52:02,840 –> 00:52:08,200
The Jersey drones.
I, I nearly popped your text the

999
00:52:08,200 –> 00:52:10,200
other day because I’ve been
driving back and forth in DC

1000
00:52:10,200 –> 00:52:14,160
from Kentucky and I went through
Wheeling, WV, which has those,

1001
00:52:14,360 –> 00:52:17,160
has those two bridge that go
over the river before you get

1002
00:52:17,160 –> 00:52:18,840
it.
And I was like, is this?

1003
00:52:19,280 –> 00:52:21,800
Is this the Mothman Bridge?
And I was like, no, this, that’s

1004
00:52:21,800 –> 00:52:23,360
Mount Pleasant.
But I was almost like took a

1005
00:52:23,360 –> 00:52:26,240
picture like trying to drive me
like, yeah, like Mothman.

1006
00:52:26,360 –> 00:52:27,720
Where’s the fucking Mothman that
I’ve ever.

1007
00:52:28,000 –> 00:52:32,560
Get to see that Mothman statue,
it has a beautiful butt just.

1008
00:52:32,560 –> 00:52:33,000
Gorgeous.
Yeah.

1009
00:52:33,040 –> 00:52:35,520
Nice.
Yeah, it’s got, it’s got that

1010
00:52:35,520 –> 00:52:37,280
ass.
Well, I’ve been driving through

1011
00:52:37,280 –> 00:52:40,600
West Virginia, so I might make
AI might make a pilgrimage to to

1012
00:52:40,600 –> 00:52:43,120
go see the Mothman.
I can’t recommend the film The

1013
00:52:43,120 –> 00:52:46,000
Mothman Prophecies enough.
It’s not what you’re expecting

1014
00:52:46,000 –> 00:52:47,760
and I think that’s why people
hated it.

1015
00:52:47,760 –> 00:52:49,640
But.
I saw that in the theaters.

1016
00:52:49,960 –> 00:52:52,280
I did too.
I remember, I remember even at

1017
00:52:52,280 –> 00:52:53,840
the time I was like, I might not
be.

1018
00:52:53,880 –> 00:52:55,800
With you on this one, I fell
asleep.

1019
00:52:56,160 –> 00:52:58,960
Oh, I liked it.
Yeah, it’s a slow burn for sure.

1020
00:52:59,280 –> 00:53:02,640
Yeah, but it’s a, it’s a
cinematic experience.

1021
00:53:04,560 –> 00:53:07,040
This could be a DHDI will give
you that.

1022
00:53:07,040 –> 00:53:10,800
This could be that I have ADHD.
No, yeah, it was, it was just

1023
00:53:10,800 –> 00:53:12,600
one of those things.
I it was one of those things

1024
00:53:12,600 –> 00:53:16,560
where it was like I was, I did
not expect that movie to be what

1025
00:53:16,560 –> 00:53:18,600
it was at all.
Yeah, like.

1026
00:53:19,400 –> 00:53:21,960
Well, that was the problem.
They the trailer makes it seem

1027
00:53:21,960 –> 00:53:25,520
like a monster movie and it’s
it’s not a monster movie.

1028
00:53:25,760 –> 00:53:29,200
It’s a psychosis movie, kind of.
Yeah.

1029
00:53:29,280 –> 00:53:32,200
But yeah, I was.
I was, I was in.

1030
00:53:32,280 –> 00:53:34,680
I’ve been going through West
Virginia and I was like, I

1031
00:53:34,680 –> 00:53:37,280
gotta, I gotta stop trying to
take a picture of a bridge while

1032
00:53:37,280 –> 00:53:39,640
I’m driving thinking that I’m in
right down.

1033
00:53:40,440 –> 00:53:43,400
West Virginia, Can’t you just
like, stop in the middle of the

1034
00:53:43,400 –> 00:53:46,040
street and take a picture of the
bridge and then get back in your

1035
00:53:46,040 –> 00:53:48,320
car and keep going?
Are there other cars?

1036
00:53:48,920 –> 00:53:51,440
One or two, but very few.
I’m sorry, West Virginia, I

1037
00:53:51,440 –> 00:53:53,920
don’t mean to be that way.
Actually, that’s the reason I’m

1038
00:53:53,920 –> 00:53:56,440
driving that way.
I’m sorry, this doesn’t matter.

1039
00:53:56,440 –> 00:53:58,440
It doesn’t matter.
But there’s so few people on

1040
00:53:58,440 –> 00:54:02,240
the, on the road on the
Interstate that I, I, I turned

1041
00:54:02,240 –> 00:54:05,640
from Virginia to West Virginia
and like, I think I drove for an

1042
00:54:05,640 –> 00:54:07,280
hour and a half and didn’t see
another car.

1043
00:54:07,720 –> 00:54:10,320
Honestly, I’m not mad at that.
Oh, that’s beautiful.

1044
00:54:10,640 –> 00:54:13,680
Yeah, that sounds great and
scary both kind of, but.

1045
00:54:13,920 –> 00:54:15,680
Beautiful mountains on either
side of the road.

1046
00:54:15,760 –> 00:54:18,360
It was great.
OK, this is the I60 forecast.

1047
00:54:18,520 –> 00:54:19,360
Yeah.
Yeah.

1048
00:54:19,760 –> 00:54:23,080
All right, do we have any final
thoughts on the Bigfoot?

1049
00:54:23,240 –> 00:54:25,800
Just be open to it I think is my
final thought.

1050
00:54:25,960 –> 00:54:29,160
I am finding the Bigfoot
lifestyle more and more tempting

1051
00:54:29,160 –> 00:54:34,120
just in terms of being ice
isolated in the woods, away from

1052
00:54:34,640 –> 00:54:39,520
other people.
That drive sounds very

1053
00:54:39,520 –> 00:54:41,800
beautiful.
Away from cars, the fact that

1054
00:54:41,800 –> 00:54:45,680
there are no roads sounds
delightful.

1055
00:54:45,720 –> 00:54:48,000
Yeah.
Are are we missing the

1056
00:54:48,000 –> 00:54:51,240
opportunity here to start a real
Bigfoot cult of people who move

1057
00:54:51,240 –> 00:54:54,240
out into the into the
wilderness, away from society

1058
00:54:54,240 –> 00:54:56,760
and then just scare away or
trick anybody that comes near

1059
00:54:56,760 –> 00:54:58,440
us?
Yeah, yeah, Oh yeah, we should

1060
00:54:58,440 –> 00:55:00,320
do that.
And then we’ll scare all the

1061
00:55:00,320 –> 00:55:06,360
bigfoots out into regular
society because it’s what it’s

1062
00:55:06,360 –> 00:55:08,680
what humans do when they show up
in animal shit.

1063
00:55:08,720 –> 00:55:10,760
And then that’s how the big feet
take over.

1064
00:55:10,800 –> 00:55:11,880
And.
That’s it.

1065
00:55:12,080 –> 00:55:16,320
It’s what we deserve.
So I think that’s our episode

1066
00:55:16,640 –> 00:55:19,280
Zach Hana, thank you both so
much.

1067
00:55:19,400 –> 00:55:23,720
I appreciate you doing the pod.
What do we have to plug before

1068
00:55:23,720 –> 00:55:25,720
we get out of here?
All I got is Adam Todd brown dot

1069
00:55:25,920 –> 00:55:28,160
B sky dot social follow me on
blue sky.

1070
00:55:28,160 –> 00:55:32,360
That’s Todd with one DI want to
stop using the other platforms

1071
00:55:32,400 –> 00:55:36,120
and I have so if you want to
follow me on social media in any

1072
00:55:36,120 –> 00:55:39,560
capacity, follow me on blue sky.
That’s all I got Zach, what do

1073
00:55:39,560 –> 00:55:40,240
you got to plug?
I’m.

1074
00:55:41,400 –> 00:55:44,320
Still on Instagram for some
unfathomable reasons, so you can

1075
00:55:44,320 –> 00:55:47,680
follow me ZTP whiskey.
You can see when I’m mostly

1076
00:55:47,680 –> 00:55:50,640
drinking cocktails and whiskey
on there for work or Blackwood

1077
00:55:50,920 –> 00:55:54,400
Distilling Company Bourbon and
rye and yeah, basically that’s

1078
00:55:54,400 –> 00:55:56,280
it.
Follow, follow Hannah and Adam

1079
00:55:56,520 –> 00:55:58,480
unless you like whiskey.
Otherwise, they’re more

1080
00:55:58,480 –> 00:56:02,160
interesting than me.
Hannah, it’s I’m going to do the

1081
00:56:02,160 –> 00:56:04,880
same thing.
My name is spelled weird because

1082
00:56:07,640 –> 00:56:12,520
I guess a lot of my ancestors
didn’t speak English or spell

1083
00:56:12,520 –> 00:56:17,680
it.
It’s Han AM ICHELS no A in there

1084
00:56:18,360 –> 00:56:21,840
at B sky dot social.
Also trying to leave the other

1085
00:56:21,840 –> 00:56:26,520
platforms, especially Twitter.
I will not call it anything but

1086
00:56:26,520 –> 00:56:28,080
Twitter.
Yeah, no, no.

1087
00:56:28,160 –> 00:56:31,680
If anything I will call it
Twitter, currently known as X,

1088
00:56:31,760 –> 00:56:35,320
but I will never, ever, ever say
X, formerly known as Twitter

1089
00:56:35,400 –> 00:56:38,000
under any circumstances.
But usually, yeah, I’ll just do

1090
00:56:38,080 –> 00:56:43,160
Twitter.
Yeah, fuck Elon Musk and fuck

1091
00:56:43,240 –> 00:56:44,960
Nazis.
Yeah, God.

1092
00:56:45,080 –> 00:56:48,320
It’s like a.
Terrible of like what happens

1093
00:56:48,320 –> 00:56:51,120
when you hoard wealth?
It’s like, too cartoonish.

1094
00:56:51,160 –> 00:56:54,680
Yep, Yep, it sure is.
And that’s why we need.

1095
00:56:54,920 –> 00:56:58,680
Here’s the thing, Bigfoot.
The streets need you.

1096
00:56:58,760 –> 00:57:01,440
Get out here.
Be our government, please.

1097
00:57:01,600 –> 00:57:03,680
All right, let’s get the fuck
out of here.

1098
00:57:04,120 –> 00:57:06,080
Zach say goodbye.
Goodbye.

1099
00:57:06,360 –> 00:57:08,120
Hanna, say goodbye.
Goodbye.

1100
00:57:08,640 –> 00:57:10,840
Goodbye everybody, we love you
and Bigfoot both.