Conspiracy! The Show 325: The Zizians

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I.
Hey everybody, welcome to

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Conspiracy the Show.
I’m your host Adam Todd Brown

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joining me as guest Co host this
week.

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John Lewis is here.
How’s it going, man?

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All right, pissed up, pissed off
half of the Internet with my

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boondocks video.
What’s their problem?

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My take on it.
I dropped the video, I changed

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the title.
I bet the original title was the

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boondocks doesn’t care about
black people.

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It was just like a full
retrospective about the hidden

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anti blackness and classes and
other show.

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But it’s almost a 2 hour video.
It’s on the good side.

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It’s performing pretty well, so
I needed that from our channel.

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Two hours.
God damn that’s a movie.

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Yeah, no, but people love long
video essays if they’re

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interesting, so it’s performing
well.

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It should hit a probably 100,000
by the end of the week.

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Nice.
That’s awesome.

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So we are talking about some
shit that people have wanted us

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to cover on this show since it
happened, which I think a thing

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people don’t realize with
stories like this, and this is

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an exception, but a lot of times
when something like this breaks,

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there’s not a lot to talk about.
Sometimes you need to wait and

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let a story develop and breathe
before you cover it.

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With this one, there’s enough to
talk about.

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So we’re getting in early, but
it’s not resolved or anything.

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It’s ongoing.
John, you said you hadn’t heard

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anything about the Zizians.
No, but I read the notes and it

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sounds like what Christians in
the 80s thought Dungeons and

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Dragons was from my
understanding.

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Just a bunch of crazy people
with swords and cosplay and the

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shit.
I’m so confused.

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I listen to the audio of that
one long ass article and read

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all the bullet points.
It’s so much going on and these

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names.
Jesus Christ.

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Yeah, there’s crazy names
happening here.

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There’s a lot of crime, a lot of
murder, and it all seems like

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it’s not for any purpose.
This group has, I guess, a

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ideology of sorts, but this
isn’t a Luigi Mangione thing.

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There’s no murders here that
you’re going to be like, fuck

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yeah, out there fighting the
good fight.

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No, this is just, I mean,
they’re just like killing people

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who they come into contact with,
I guess.

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Yeah, and at first I thought
they were like trying to start a

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cult, but it just sounds like a
bunch of people that were in

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there.
Weird shit that met online is

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something I don’t know.
Yeah, I guess.

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I mean, if you’re calling
yourself Zizians, then you’re a

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cult.
Because that I think that is

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maybe the dividing line between
cult and just really good

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friends is do you all call
yourself something named after

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one friend in particular?
If not, otherwise, you’re all

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just cool.
You’re all just hanging out.

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But yeah, this is a cult.
The name Zizians comes from the

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group leader, the awesomely
named Jack Amadeus.

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Ziz Lasoda.
Seems like Jack is just going by

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Ziz these days.
I wish they had pictures

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attached.
Wait, I think it was.

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Was it?
I think it might have been

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pictures attached.
Oh, yeah.

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There’s pictures articles.
Yeah.

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I’m just trying to think,
remember what these people look

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like.
This is such a a weird case.

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And it seems it’s like just no
point to it.

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I tell you what they look like,
they look angry.

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They all look really fucking
angry in their mug shots.

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And hey, it’s 2025.
Who’s not angry, you know?

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Also, it’s a mug shot.
Yeah, and I will say there’s a

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few different articles out there
about this case.

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Liz, Ziz.
I want to say Liz, every fucking

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time I say the name Ziz Lasoda,
it should be Liz Zasoda.

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That would make me more
comfortable, but Ziz Lasota is a

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transgender woman.
Depending on what article you

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read, pronouns are either they
them, or she her.

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It seems like she her though.
Two of the three SF Gate

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articles I read said it was she
her so.

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It’s SF Gate, San Francisco or
something.

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I witnessed it.
Yeah.

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OK.
So I was wondering, I never, I

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never heard of that before.
Yeah, they’re a pretty well

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respected Bay Area outlet.
I lean on them a lot for local

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news roundup stuff.
And so Jeff Bezos buys some out.

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Yeah, so Ziz popped up online in
2016, writing A blog covering

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things like gender identity,
technology and human cognition.

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Attracted a niche audience at
first among people interested in

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things like philosophy, AI and
radical social theories.

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And those ideas evolved into a
more complex ideology, attracted

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more followers, eventually
turned into the Zizian movement.

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I still don’t really know what
these people want.

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Yeah, Yeah.
That it wasn’t clear through any

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of these notes what exactly they
wanted it just cause before that

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it just sounds like a mean
that’s that’s basically just a

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Nisha YouTube right now.
Like have to have my views come

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from people that are in a shit
like that.

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Literally it’s like bread tube
and said we all just don’t meet

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up together.
I’m like, what?

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What did you all want?
Yeah, and we just covered the

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Unabomber manifesto and at least
that racist fuck was clear about

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what he wanted, which was we got
to shut down industrial society

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because, I don’t know, black
people are talking too much or

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something.
That guy was bad times.

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Yeah, listening to that episode.
That shit blew me away for

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years.
People were like man, the

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Unabomber manifesto, it’s better
than you think.

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It’s fucking racist ramblings,
God damn.

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It and it’s how interesting can
a fucking manifesto be anyway?

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It’s just sounds like some shit.
There’s going to be a a person

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that had way too much caffeine
at 4:00 in the morning, right?

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Have you ever read the
Christopher Dorner Manifesto?

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No, I don’t read any manifesto.
I mean, his is just funny mostly

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because he does shit like at one
point expresses regret that he’s

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going to miss the Hangover 3
because he’s going to die before

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it comes out.
He like apologizes to Bradley

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Cooper basically and is like,
sorry man, you’re great.

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I wonder if Bradley Cooper was
like fuck yeah, Christopher

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Dorner, he.
Would have been disappointed to

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know that same director went on
to make a shitty Joker sequel

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too.
I didn’t hate the Joker sequel,

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but that’s a different episode.
So this group is involved in

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something called the Rationalist
movement, which PBS describes

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as, quote, a community that
seeks to understand human

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cognition and is concerned with
the potential dangers of

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artificial intelligence.
That sounds like a lot of us.

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Yeah, like so far they’re like,
all right, I’m with, I’m with

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y’all at this point, OK, I don’t
trust some robots either.

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In 2017, this is a quote from
sfgate.com.

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Ziz and some associates sailed a
rusty tugboat named Caleb from

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Alaska to Half Moon Bay with
plans to live rent free on the

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water as part of what they
called the Rationalist fleet.

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End Quote.
That’s some white people shit

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right there.
Exactly I was literally thinking

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that I’m like this is the most
white people shit ever.

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Like didn’t in the in the main
article didn’t like half of them

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have like 300 and $500,000 jobs
in Silicon Valley and shit.

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Like yo quit your jobs to go get
on the fucking tugboat in

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Alaska.
Yeah, they brought the tugboat

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from Alaska to live on it in San
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It’s which begs the question
there were no tugboats in San

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Francisco.
Exactly, like why did y’all need

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to import a tugboat?
They’re not that big.

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And why a tugboat?
Why not just live on a regular

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ass boat?
Right.

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I swear, man, so many stories I
read every year.

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I’m like, this is such an
avoidable death.

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Like one of my sayings, I don’t
want to die like a looney tune

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like you hear about somebody
like dying from free climbing or

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getting attacked by a bear or
something like that.

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Like those are such avoidable
deaths in North America.

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Well, in America, just don’t go
where bears at and don’t go in

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the middle of nowhere like that
guy that had to cut his arm off.

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Like so many things are just
avoidable, but white people need

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to stop being so adventurous.
Yeah, shark attacks are the one

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I always bring up.
People are like, oh, you got

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more chance of getting struck by
lightning than you do getting

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bit by a shark.
It’s like, yeah, because I’m on

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land, there’s no sharks up here.
Lightning can get me here,

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Sharks can’t.
That’s why I’m not in the

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fucking ocean though.
Because they’re the sharks can

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get you, yes.
And these people, they wanted to

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live on a island rent free like
I guess they make.

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I don’t think they brought
enough food to survive.

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I don’t think they really
thought this through also.

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Well, for one thing, Zizla soda
is vegan and living on the OSH

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as a vegan is going to be tough
because it’s not like there’s

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soy swimming around in the
ocean.

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That’s just going to be fish.
I like how they are associated

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with the rationalist movement
and just doing some of the most

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irrational shit possible right
off the bat.

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Exactly like this.
Cool, isn’t it?

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By that definition, most of us
don’t trust AIS.

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Or are we all just part of the
rationalist movement?

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As long as you’re also
interested in human cognition,

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which sure put me in front of
the right documentary, I’ll

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watch it.
Right.

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We’re all Zizians.
You’re right.

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This whole case is insane.
Are you running around with

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swords and shit?
Yeah, and this is one.

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Normally you want to be like,
oh, is this like some MK Ultra

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shit?
Is this the government?

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I don’t know what the fuck the
government would do this for.

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This doesn’t seem like anything
but I don’t know.

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Are they all rich?
I don’t think they’re all rich

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kids, but they’re sometimes you
just get so smart.

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You’re just disgruntled with
society, I guess.

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Get smart.
I don’t think that’s how it

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worked.
Yeah, I think, I think someone

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they were smart, they had
comfortable lives and just

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getting it start doing weird
shit like those like so many

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niches on YouTube, like van
life.

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I feel like that’s the thing
that you only decide to do if

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you’re comfortable in life.
Like I’m going to go live in a

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van in the and cross the country
and stuff.

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Like at least get ARV.
Yeah, I couldn’t do it.

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I couldn’t do van life.
I could do van life.

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If I was sleeping in a motel
every night, then I could do van

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life.
But other than that, no.

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I got a shower and a real
shower, and it can’t be one that

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I pay $5 for at a gas station.
Hard fucking pass.

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So yeah, the boat that they
lived on for a while apparently

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is still half submerged
somewhere in Half Moon Bay.

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What?
Does half submerged mean I’m

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trying to picture that?
Is it just like sitting up

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halfway in the ocean?
And yeah, that’s what it sounds

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like.
And do you just leave it there

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in that case?
No one.

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There’s not like a clean up crew
for the ocean, for the Bay.

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That’s like, we should drag that
out of there and sell it to that

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Ghost Adventures guy in Las
Vegas or something.

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Right.
Like how did they just like Oh

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yeah, and it’s just still out
there and nobody’s lived there

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since 1950s.
Like it’s a haunted house or

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some shit.
Just go get it.

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I don’t think you’re supposed to
just be leaving boats in the in

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the ocean or wherever they at
fish should get stuck.

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It’s a tugboat too.
Just hook another fucking

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tugboat up to it, pull it on out
of there.

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Apparently I didn’t put it in
the notes, but Lasoto lived on

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another boat after after this
for a while.

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But that didn’t work because
there wasn’t enough room to do

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coding all day.
Because you’re still in the tech

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industry.
You still got to hook up 19

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fucking computer monitors.
Oh, so they did still have jobs

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at least.
Either they had jobs or they

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were like coding apocalypse
software or something, I don’t

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know.
Right, I just assumed if you

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decide you living on a tugboat I
figure you just say fuck it in

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like you know, ghost society you
would.

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Think it would be weird to.
I mean, San Francisco’s very

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expensive.
They could have been doing this

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under the guise of, yeah, this
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And meanwhile, they’re like, I’d
live in a fucking apartment if I

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could.
I’m just fucking broke.

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San Francisco’s very expensive.
That is true.

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Maybe.
I’m sure it probably is.

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People that in the West Coast
just live on boats.

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Yeah, San Francisco, you’d be
shocked the things people do to

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live in San Francisco.
Even when I lived there, which

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was 2012, the average rent for a
one bedroom was like 2800 and

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that was years ago.
It’s well over 3000 now.

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The only reason I was able to
live there, I had a friend who

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had a rent controlled apartment
that he paid $750 a month for

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and he would sublet it.
And he just happened to be in

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New York when I was trying to
move to the West Coast.

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So I lived in San Francisco for
$750 a month.

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But even 750 a month you
wouldn’t even be able to rent

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like a boarding house room type
of thing where you’re like

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sharing a bathroom with 15 sex
predators.

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Hey Arnold, my generation, you
say?

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Boarding house.
We automatically think of Hey

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Arnold.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But apparently the Zizians had a
rift with the rationalist

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community in 2018 because the
rationalists rejected Ziz’s

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theory that the two hemispheres
of the brain can hold separate

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values and genders.
I don’t know why they would

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reject that, and I’m being
honest when I say that I have no

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fucking idea.
And also they felt like each

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side could sleep on its own.
Yeah, that’s the thing.

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Speaking of those sides of the
brain, Ziz is also said to have

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practiced something called
unahemispheric sleep.

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This wacky shit is said in the
SF Gate article.

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One of the SF Gate articles will
link to to have been developed

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by a Zizian named Gwen
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That’s who Ziz Lasota lived on
the second boat with when they

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moved out because there wasn’t
enough computer space.

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What do you hook the computers
up to in a boat?

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Yeah, because.
I mean, I guess boats have

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electricity, what am I talking
about?

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But.
I guess you got to have a

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generator, maybe.
I don’t know.

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Yeah.
You charge it.

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You have to charge a boat.
No idea, it’s like a fucking E

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bike.
I don’t know, I I really don’t

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like large bodies of water.
I try and avoid water.

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I just don’t like large bodies
of water.

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It’s scary.
That Castaway movie scared the

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shit out of me when I was a kid.
Yeah, I don’t remember who it

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was, but I was watching the
Dallas Cowboys season of Hard

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Knocks and one of their
defensive players was at the

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beach in LA and someone was
like, hey, let’s take a picture.

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And he was like, all right, make
it quick.

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I don’t like having my back to
the ocean.

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Be telling it yes.
Those are words to live by right

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there.
So yeah, human hemispheric

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sleep.
I looked into it a little bit, a

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very little bit.
It’s thing that’s seen in a few

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different animals.
Dolphins, whales, ducks, fucking

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owls, crocodiles, to name a few.
It’s also referred to as slow

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wave sleep.
Basically it means 1/2 of the

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brain rests while the other half
remains alert, and the eye on

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the alert side of the brain
stays open and the eye on the

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sleeping side of the brain is
shut.

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If I walked in a room and
someone I knew was successfully

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doing that, I would just leave.
I was get right the fuck out.

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If I live there, I’d probably
move or I’d make them move one

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or the other that’s.
Crazy.

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One, it sounds like some shit
Joe Rogan would really believe

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and two, like what advantage
does this have?

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Just because the other side of
your body sleep don’t mean you

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can go do regular shit.
You still got to like rest your

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physical body.
Yeah, like you can’t be walking

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around like, no, no, half my
brain’s asleep, bro, you don’t

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even get it.
Let’s do this 4 hours a day.

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Yeah.
I.

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Can yeah, I’m sure owls can do
this shit because they just sit

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in trees all day and maybe
hunting mouse or something.

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This just sounds like some Elon
Musk shit or something.

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Joe Rogan shit they get high on
and and Aaron Rodgers goes on

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ESPN and talks about.
And also animals do it in case

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there’s a threat while they’re
sleeping.

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They’re not doing it to like
supercharging their brains so

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they can code more.
Yeah, exactly.

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Fucking work your second 40 hour
job while your other

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personalities sleep.
So Ziz was later accused in an

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anonymous blog post of using,
you know, hemispheric sleep as a

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sleep deprivation technique to
manipulate followers.

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And yeah, that’s probably more
accurate what they were doing

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because there’s no way it was
working.

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I don’t know.
I don’t know.

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We should try it.
Let’s try it.

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Bonus episode.
Manipulating them to do what?

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Yeah, I don’t know.
It seems like everyone’s doing

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all the crimes here kind of
willingly.

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I guess that’s the thing.
I guess more information will

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come out as the court trial
happens and whatnot, but it’s

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really unclear.
Was this one of those cool cults

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where everyone’s just kind of
into it and they’re all I would?

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I mean, not the part where they
murdered a pregnant woman,

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obviously, but I think I would
classify Charles Manson and the

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Manson Family as a cool cult.
Like he was a cult leader, but

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it seems like they liked him and
he wasn’t like super abusive.

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They he just, you know, asked
him to kill people and they did.

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And I haven’t talked about it on
my YouTube channel in a while

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but I talked about different
cults in the bike model cuz well

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I was Jehovah Witness for the
1st 27 years and that is

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definitely a cult by all
standards of practices.

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And The thing is the cults that
last a while and the ones that

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like end up gone after five
years is when you start doing

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crazy shit.
The key is you got to trick

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people in and not wanting to
leave and and trick them

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mentally into being afraid to
leave.

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When you start doing crazy like
this, this is when police start

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showing up.
Yeah, because especially with a

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group like the Jehovah’s
Witnesses, they, I mean, they’re

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so well established and so huge
in this country, they can just

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be like, we’re a religion.
Thank you very much.

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And if you ever try and leave,
yeah, your whole family, your

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community can’t talk to you.
Yeah.

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But yeah, everybody’s staying by
choice.

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That’s how you do it.
Guys, if you want to start a

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cult, you got to use the
behavior control and mental

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control, not physical.
That’s the that they’re all

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cults.
It’s just different tiers.

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It’s just that Scientologists
and all of that shit, they’re

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all cults.
They just figured out how to

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manipulate people and they’re
not wanting to leave or being

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too afraid.
I’m tossing around the idea of

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and people listening to this,
maybe you want to read it now

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and get a jump on it.
But we’re tossing around the

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idea of doing a book club kind
of episode about something

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called the ellipsis manual,
which is something I just found

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online the other day.
But it’s a really well known

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thing and it’s basically a
textbook for how to immediately

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read people’s body language and
manipulate them to get them to

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do what you want them to do.
It’s like a intelligence agency

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type textbook.
It seems like it should not even

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be legal to.
Like you shouldn’t be able to

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buy it without a fucking
license.

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Is, is it legit or is this like
one of the things that they

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still have a seminar or
something?

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No, this is, it’s been around a
long time.

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It’s it has like a whole, oh,
what do they call it?

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The behavioral table of
elements.

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So it’s like arranged like the
you know the table of elements.

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Periodic table.
But it just has like arms

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crossed.
And then there’s all these

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numbers, like what that means,
what that correlates to.

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It’s fucking fascinating and I’m
so excited.

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Oh, because I’ve heard of people
on YouTube trying to do that

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shit.
Like we’re going to see what

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this person was talking about in
this interview, see when they

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cross their arms, and like most
of the time it’s just bullshit.

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Yeah, they’re probably employing
some version of that.

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But also like, if you’re not
using it to like get free fries

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at Arby’s or something, why are
you even doing it?

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Yeah, I’m sure if you actually
studied, it’s probably good for

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like CIA shit or interrogating
people.

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Yeah.
Outside of that, I don’t, I

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don’t know.
I’m.

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Going to interrogate some
people, that’s what I want to

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fucking do.
Very excited.

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So yeah, all that, you know,
hemispheric sleep stuff is

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weird.
Also weird.

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In 2019, that rift with the
rationalist movement community

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eventually culminated in Lasoto
and three Zizians members, the

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aforementioned Gwen Danielson,
Emma Borhanian and Alexander

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Lethem, showing up at a summer
alumni retreat held by the

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Center for Applied Rationality
at the Westminster Woods

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Children’s Camp in Sonoma
County.

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They wore Guy Fawkes masks and
passed out Flyers accusing the

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organization of anti trans
discrimination and sexual

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misconduct.
And here’s the thing.

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Wouldn’t surprise me.
I don’t.

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I don’t know.
If they weren’t engaging in that

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shit, who knows.
In that entire sentence confused

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me.
Only thing I remember is

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Westminster because I know they
do.

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With dog show everything goes.
I’m not sure what this society

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is.
I just.

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Yeah, I did an episode a long
time ago about a group called

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The Finders, and something about
Center for Applied Rationality

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and kids being involved just
reminds me of the Finders, which

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it would take forever to go all
the way through their story.

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But that was basically these two
dudes in like CIA suits get

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pulled over with this van full
of disheveled looking kids with

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like early computer modems and
shit.

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Every government agency that
looked into it thought it was

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child sex trafficking.
And then it got kicked up to the

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CIA and they were like, Nope,
let’s not investigate this any

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further.
And in that case, when they got

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pulled over, they said they were
taking these kids to a school

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for geniuses in Mexico.
This sounds like that kind of

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shit.
The Center for Applied

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Rationality and the reason I
also say that one of their

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charges child endangerment.
So there were obviously kids

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there, but this was for alumni.
So I wonder if they’re alleging

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that people at an organization
that takes children away from

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their parents for an extended
amount of time each summer was

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abusing kids.
And no, get the fuck out of

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here.
No way.

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Yeah, when you start having them
weird titles and having picnics

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and shit in the woods, I don’t
know, it just sounds weird.

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But also they showed up in Guy
Fawkes Mass.

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Like these are definitely some
theater ass kids.

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Yeah, that’s for sure.
Yeah.

435
00:23:26,920 –> 00:23:28,800
You mentioned the Westminster
Dog Show.

436
00:23:28,800 –> 00:23:33,320
When I was a kid, this local
radio station did a thing where

437
00:23:33,320 –> 00:23:36,160
if you could call in and stump
them with a sports trivia

438
00:23:36,160 –> 00:23:38,000
question.
I don’t, I don’t even remember

439
00:23:38,000 –> 00:23:41,840
what we won, but I I think I was
eight, either 8 or 9.

440
00:23:41,840 –> 00:23:43,960
And I called him and was like,
what’s the longest running

441
00:23:43,960 –> 00:23:46,280
sporting event in the United
States?

442
00:23:46,440 –> 00:23:50,320
And they guessed every fucking
thing but the Westminster Dog

443
00:23:50,320 –> 00:23:53,880
Show, which is the correct
answer because it’s technically

444
00:23:53,880 –> 00:23:56,200
sports.
You know, I guess, but I don’t

445
00:23:56,200 –> 00:23:57,920
know, I feel like that’s that’s
a loophole.

446
00:23:57,920 –> 00:23:59,800
I don’t know, I don’t think that
counts as a sport.

447
00:23:59,800 –> 00:24:01,520
That sounds more like a
competition.

448
00:24:02,240 –> 00:24:04,040
Dogs don’t know if they won or
lost so.

449
00:24:04,240 –> 00:24:07,680
Well, you are not taking back my
gift certificate to whatever

450
00:24:07,680 –> 00:24:09,880
fast food restaurant I ate at
that day.

451
00:24:10,080 –> 00:24:12,920
So let’s talk about the Curtis
Lind incident.

452
00:24:13,360 –> 00:24:18,400
IN2022A group of 20 Zizians
members were living on the

453
00:24:18,400 –> 00:24:22,720
Vallejo, CA property of an 80
year old man named Curtis Lind

454
00:24:22,720 –> 00:24:25,200
and it seems like he was just
letting them do this.

455
00:24:25,200 –> 00:24:29,560
They lived in big ass box vans
living that van life but it

456
00:24:29,560 –> 00:24:32,280
seems like Lind they were paying
him rent.

457
00:24:32,320 –> 00:24:34,840
Like box trucks, like a 26 foot
box trucks.

458
00:24:35,080 –> 00:24:41,080
Yeah, the box trucks are maybe
this group’s main identifying

459
00:24:41,160 –> 00:24:44,400
symbol every.
The situation they’re involved

460
00:24:44,400 –> 00:24:48,280
in also involves box trucks.
When they finally get arrested,

461
00:24:48,280 –> 00:24:50,680
they’re in box trucks.
There’s an incident North

462
00:24:50,680 –> 00:24:53,600
Carolina I didn’t even put in
the notes where they rented an

463
00:24:53,600 –> 00:24:57,080
Airbnb and then just parked a
bunch of box trucks next to it.

464
00:24:57,240 –> 00:24:59,200
Moved a bunch of fucking people
in.

465
00:24:59,440 –> 00:25:02,320
I know the people at Penske got
to be wondering, I mean got to

466
00:25:02,320 –> 00:25:03,760
be worried.
Every time they rent they shit

467
00:25:03,760 –> 00:25:04,800
out.
Like I hope this isn’t some

468
00:25:04,800 –> 00:25:07,840
fucking Nazis or coats because
whenever you see the Nazis get

469
00:25:07,840 –> 00:25:10,600
caught they start jumping out of
box trucks and shit like Ninja

470
00:25:10,600 –> 00:25:13,240
Turtles too.
And it’s never a U-Haul, it’s

471
00:25:13,240 –> 00:25:16,120
always an off brand box truck
they’re.

472
00:25:16,360 –> 00:25:18,360
Probably shopping around for the
best price.

473
00:25:19,640 –> 00:25:24,480
So it seems like what happened
is they stopped paying rent and

474
00:25:24,480 –> 00:25:28,680
Curtis Lind, 80 year old man I
think tried to get them evicted

475
00:25:28,760 –> 00:25:33,600
and this was like on the fringes
of when we still didn’t have to

476
00:25:33,600 –> 00:25:37,920
pay rent because of COVID.
So who knows who was on the

477
00:25:37,920 –> 00:25:40,720
right side here.
But them not paying rent

478
00:25:40,720 –> 00:25:42,480
apparently turns into a big
feud.

479
00:25:42,680 –> 00:25:49,840
And Lind claims or claimed that
on November 13th 2022 he was

480
00:25:49,840 –> 00:25:53,280
attacked by the group after
being asked to come check on a

481
00:25:53,280 –> 00:25:57,320
water leak.
And in the ensuing melee he was

482
00:25:57,520 –> 00:26:02,880
impaled by a samurai sword and
lost an eye.

483
00:26:03,040 –> 00:26:07,600
But also he brought a gun to
that sword fight and shot and

484
00:26:07,600 –> 00:26:12,360
killed Emma Borhanian and
injured Alexander Lethem.

485
00:26:12,520 –> 00:26:14,920
And he was found to have acted
in self-defense.

486
00:26:14,920 –> 00:26:20,400
So Lethem and another Zizian
member, Suri Dao, were charged

487
00:26:20,400 –> 00:26:23,320
with the murder of Emma
Borhanian and the attempted

488
00:26:23,320 –> 00:26:26,520
murder of Curtis Lind.
The fact that 80 year old man

489
00:26:26,520 –> 00:26:28,400
survived a sword attack is
crazy.

490
00:26:28,600 –> 00:26:30,520
Especially getting impaled by a
sword.

491
00:26:30,520 –> 00:26:33,400
I would assume that’s it.
Right, like he probably got

492
00:26:33,400 –> 00:26:35,640
what, 2 liters of blood in his
whole body?

493
00:26:35,840 –> 00:26:38,640
Yeah, and the eye, How do you
lose the eye?

494
00:26:38,920 –> 00:26:41,480
And they just say he lost an
eye, like it just fell out and

495
00:26:41,480 –> 00:26:44,080
he couldn’t find it During all
of this.

496
00:26:44,440 –> 00:26:47,440
Did he get stabbed in that eye?
These just sound like the people

497
00:26:47,440 –> 00:26:50,920
who like, just fuck up your
property, like just leave trash

498
00:26:50,920 –> 00:26:53,000
all over the place.
It’s all right, man.

499
00:26:53,000 –> 00:26:55,720
We’re just going to like, you
know, let Mother Nature take

500
00:26:55,720 –> 00:26:56,880
over it.
I guarantee they weren’t

501
00:26:56,880 –> 00:26:59,840
cleaning up after themselves and
that probably drove them crazy.

502
00:27:00,280 –> 00:27:03,120
Yeah, that would definitely
drive me fucking nuts.

503
00:27:03,360 –> 00:27:06,120
Those people that are willing to
live in the box truck, I don’t

504
00:27:06,120 –> 00:27:08,200
think cleanliness is high on
their list.

505
00:27:08,400 –> 00:27:12,120
No, and it doesn’t appear that
cleanliness was high on anyone’s

506
00:27:12,120 –> 00:27:15,720
list when you look at these fun
loving kids.

507
00:27:15,920 –> 00:27:21,200
So Curtis Lind, he was set to
testify in this trial.

508
00:27:21,360 –> 00:27:26,240
Unfortunately, before that could
happen, in January 2025, in an

509
00:27:26,240 –> 00:27:30,200
alleged attempt to keep Curtis
Lind from testifying, 22

510
00:27:30,280 –> 00:27:34,320
three-year old Zizian member
Maximilian Snyder stabbed Lind

511
00:27:34,480 –> 00:27:38,880
and slit his throat in an attack
near Lynn’s home, killing him.

512
00:27:39,160 –> 00:27:42,720
I should point out he also used
a sword or it’s described as a

513
00:27:42,800 –> 00:27:45,720
long knife.
This all sound like some shit a

514
00:27:45,720 –> 00:27:50,400
fucking edgy kid on Reddit or
something made-up Maximilian

515
00:27:50,400 –> 00:27:53,920
comes out, comes out with a
sword like that don’t even sound

516
00:27:53,920 –> 00:27:55,640
like a real name.
I didn’t even know people

517
00:27:55,640 –> 00:27:59,400
actually had that name.
Yeah, that’s a wild name to

518
00:27:59,560 –> 00:28:04,040
still be mission that out in the
2000s because this kid was

519
00:28:04,040 –> 00:28:08,320
young, 20, he was 22.
So in 2003 someone was like

520
00:28:08,480 –> 00:28:10,960
Maximilian.
Like the dude that fought St.

521
00:28:10,960 –> 00:28:13,720
Davis this weekend, he’s a
junior, but his first name is

522
00:28:13,720 –> 00:28:15,600
Lamont.
I’m like, yeah, you should have

523
00:28:15,600 –> 00:28:17,920
knew you were going to have a
horrified with heart fight with

524
00:28:17,920 –> 00:28:19,880
a guy named Lamont under the age
of 30.

525
00:28:20,360 –> 00:28:23,200
They haven’t made Lamont since
like the 1970s.

526
00:28:23,400 –> 00:28:26,280
Yeah, that’s a rare name.
That’s like a white Dion.

527
00:28:26,680 –> 00:28:27,960
You don’t see a lot of those
anymore.

528
00:28:27,960 –> 00:28:29,800
Those used to be common as shit.
What White?

529
00:28:30,080 –> 00:28:32,400
Oh yeah, I didn’t even know
y’all had Dion’s back in the

530
00:28:32,400 –> 00:28:34,440
day.
There’s a very famous, I mean

531
00:28:34,440 –> 00:28:38,960
not famous, but he was like a
Bob Dylan knock off called Dion

532
00:28:39,120 –> 00:28:41,400
back in the 60s.
He had a song called Mellow

533
00:28:41,400 –> 00:28:43,440
Yellow.
You’d recognize it if you heard

534
00:28:43,440 –> 00:28:45,640
it, probably.
I think I’ve heard of it.

535
00:28:45,680 –> 00:28:48,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That guy’s name was Dion, but

536
00:28:48,560 –> 00:28:53,160
otherwise, yeah.
Diane Breed White Dion’s so

537
00:28:53,320 –> 00:28:57,680
Snyder is currently in custody
awaiting trial for that killing.

538
00:28:57,880 –> 00:29:02,400
I don’t think the trial of
Lethem and Dao have started

539
00:29:02,760 –> 00:29:06,200
either.
But super weird twist happens in

540
00:29:06,200 –> 00:29:11,960
the story in February 2023, when
a lawyer representing Ziz and

541
00:29:11,960 –> 00:29:15,720
the three other Zizian members
who were arrested at that

542
00:29:15,720 –> 00:29:19,360
children’s camp asked the judge
to withdraw the case against

543
00:29:19,360 –> 00:29:22,960
them on the grounds that three
of the four clients were

544
00:29:22,960 –> 00:29:26,720
definitely or at least possibly
deceased.

545
00:29:26,920 –> 00:29:29,200
For one thing, I don’t have it
in the notes, but that shit

546
00:29:29,200 –> 00:29:33,640
worked, right?
In what world do you go to a

547
00:29:33,640 –> 00:29:36,520
judge and you’re like, hey, most
of these people are dead, can we

548
00:29:36,520 –> 00:29:38,960
just withdraw this case?
And the judge is like, sure.

549
00:29:39,560 –> 00:29:41,800
Right.
Like, OK, give me the one that’s

550
00:29:41,800 –> 00:29:42,600
stealing a lot.
Yeah.

551
00:29:42,880 –> 00:29:44,640
Like, what about the fourth
person?

552
00:29:44,640 –> 00:29:47,600
The judge is like, who cares
nothing?

553
00:29:47,800 –> 00:29:51,880
So the first was Emma Borhanian,
who was killed during the Lind

554
00:29:52,000 –> 00:29:54,240
incident.
And then this lawyer also

555
00:29:54,240 –> 00:29:58,080
claimed that he had it on good
information that Gwen Danielson

556
00:29:58,200 –> 00:30:01,200
had committed suicide.
And then finally, he said he’d

557
00:30:01,200 –> 00:30:06,200
received a phone call in August
22 from another of Ziz Lesotha’s

558
00:30:06,200 –> 00:30:10,200
attorneys in a separate trial,
informing him that that Lasotha

559
00:30:10,200 –> 00:30:14,400
fell from a boat in San
Francisco Bay and was likely

560
00:30:14,560 –> 00:30:16,840
dead.
And so this lawyer reaches out

561
00:30:17,080 –> 00:30:21,880
to Ziz Lasotha’s mother, who
confirmed that Ziz was dead.

562
00:30:22,080 –> 00:30:26,200
That same lawyer tracked down
the US Coast Guard report on the

563
00:30:26,200 –> 00:30:29,440
apparent drowning, which was
submitted as evidence in court.

564
00:30:29,520 –> 00:30:33,560
Despite calm waters and hours of
searching, Lasotha was never

565
00:30:33,560 –> 00:30:36,400
found in an obituary was posted
online.

566
00:30:36,600 –> 00:30:38,720
You ever want to do that?
Or just fake your death.

567
00:30:38,880 –> 00:30:41,400
Yeah, I’d want to take people
with me like I want to do like a

568
00:30:41,840 –> 00:30:45,160
faked family death or something.
I guess, but you got to have

569
00:30:45,160 –> 00:30:47,000
enough money to flee the
country.

570
00:30:47,000 –> 00:30:49,400
Like it’s just one guy.
I think I heard about the story

571
00:30:49,400 –> 00:30:52,120
like maybe six months ago.
They he faked his death and then

572
00:30:52,120 –> 00:30:54,680
they found out he was in Europe
or something with a new family.

573
00:30:55,040 –> 00:30:56,680
Oh yeah, that happened in
Wisconsin.

574
00:30:56,800 –> 00:30:59,920
Yeah, like you got to do that
shit like don’t go, don’t fake

575
00:30:59,920 –> 00:31:02,720
your death and go live in the
shitty part of the country.

576
00:31:04,280 –> 00:31:06,720
Yeah, and even then he didn’t
get away with that shit, did he?

577
00:31:07,080 –> 00:31:09,120
I mean, they said they know
where he’s at, but I don’t.

578
00:31:09,120 –> 00:31:12,080
Did they arrest him or anything?
I just remember hearing they’re

579
00:31:12,080 –> 00:31:14,400
like, we think he, we think he’s
in Europe somewhere.

580
00:31:14,520 –> 00:31:19,080
I think he did get arrested
because he basically let them

581
00:31:19,080 –> 00:31:22,960
search for him, which then
you’re like spending taxpayer

582
00:31:22,960 –> 00:31:26,400
resources and whatnot.
So I think he got charged with

583
00:31:26,400 –> 00:31:29,040
something like that, but
otherwise you can’t.

584
00:31:29,040 –> 00:31:31,960
Like I don’t think he can go to
prison for meeting a hot

585
00:31:31,960 –> 00:31:35,880
Croatian online.
Ditching your family over it,

586
00:31:35,880 –> 00:31:37,720
which?
What a bold move.

587
00:31:38,080 –> 00:31:40,480
Right, I think he got the
insurance with the life

588
00:31:40,480 –> 00:31:43,720
insurance money somehow too,
which that is a great scam.

589
00:31:43,720 –> 00:31:45,240
I don’t know how he pulled that
shit off.

590
00:31:45,320 –> 00:31:46,960
Yeah, that’s impressive.
Yeah.

591
00:31:46,960 –> 00:31:51,160
It seems like he could have just
been like, yeah, yeah, I guess

592
00:31:51,160 –> 00:31:53,240
you got me.
You want to come get me here and

593
00:31:53,520 –> 00:31:57,560
whatever Eastern European
country I’m in right now, like

594
00:31:57,560 –> 00:32:01,120
who gets on a dating site and
even sees Eastern Europe?

595
00:32:01,120 –> 00:32:02,840
And you’re like, yeah, let’s
roll these dice.

596
00:32:03,040 –> 00:32:06,440
It’s probably going to be fine.
Yeah, I just, all I know about

597
00:32:06,440 –> 00:32:09,000
them is they just build some of
the toughest basketball players.

598
00:32:09,000 –> 00:32:12,600
That’s it.
I love watching clips of like

599
00:32:12,600 –> 00:32:15,920
Serbian basketball games where
people are setting fires in the

600
00:32:15,920 –> 00:32:19,280
stands and shit.
Oh yeah, it looks so fun when

601
00:32:19,400 –> 00:32:21,360
actual fans can afford to go to
the games.

602
00:32:22,400 –> 00:32:26,080
Crazy.
So imagine everyone’s surprise

603
00:32:26,240 –> 00:32:30,480
when in January 2023,
authorities executing a search

604
00:32:30,480 –> 00:32:35,640
warrant at a motel in Chester
City, PA, found Ziz Lasoda along

605
00:32:35,640 –> 00:32:39,200
with two other Zizian members,
Michelle Zagsko and Daniel

606
00:32:39,200 –> 00:32:41,720
Blank.
These names, I swear this

607
00:32:41,720 –> 00:32:44,400
sounds, this sounds like the
type of shit that like the CIA

608
00:32:44,440 –> 00:32:47,880
got a hold of and change your
names, Daniel Blank.

609
00:32:48,480 –> 00:32:52,520
Yeah, that’s a good one.
Half of these names sound like

610
00:32:52,520 –> 00:32:55,400
something you come up with last
minute when you don’t want to

611
00:32:55,400 –> 00:32:58,080
give somebody your Dan.
Daniel Blank.

612
00:32:58,080 –> 00:32:59,640
Yeah.
Mr. Blank is my name.

613
00:32:59,640 –> 00:33:02,560
Like what?
Like I said, they not only did

614
00:33:02,560 –> 00:33:05,000
they fake their deaths, they
went to go live somewhere in a

615
00:33:05,000 –> 00:33:06,960
motel where it gets cold as
shit.

616
00:33:07,200 –> 00:33:10,720
Yeah, like, at least relocate
somewhere in Texas with warm

617
00:33:10,720 –> 00:33:11,840
weather.
I just can’t.

618
00:33:11,920 –> 00:33:14,280
I hate the cold and I’ve been
living in the cold my entire

619
00:33:14,280 –> 00:33:16,720
life.
Oh yeah, One of the main reasons

620
00:33:16,720 –> 00:33:19,560
I moved to LA was to get away
from cold weather.

621
00:33:19,880 –> 00:33:23,480
And I don’t miss it.
I don’t miss seasons.

622
00:33:23,480 –> 00:33:26,600
We have seasons.
We have summer and we have

623
00:33:26,600 –> 00:33:30,680
jacket season and oh, we are in
the midst of jacket season.

624
00:33:30,680 –> 00:33:34,720
And I love it so much.
I get to sometimes even go as

625
00:33:34,720 –> 00:33:38,160
thick as like a starter jacket
or something like it’ll get

626
00:33:38,160 –> 00:33:40,920
like.
Yeah, high 30s, like the perfect

627
00:33:40,920 –> 00:33:43,560
weather.
Yeah, high 30s, mid 40s, that’s

628
00:33:43,560 –> 00:33:45,600
as bad as it gets in the winter
here.

629
00:33:45,600 –> 00:33:47,480
And that’s only in the like,
early morning.

630
00:33:47,600 –> 00:33:48,880
It’s great.
I fucking love it.

631
00:33:49,080 –> 00:33:52,040
Love it so much.
So yeah, these names are wild.

632
00:33:52,080 –> 00:33:55,000
The police were there
investigating the murder of

633
00:33:55,000 –> 00:33:58,800
Michelle Zagco’s parents, who
were found shot to death in

634
00:33:58,800 –> 00:34:02,800
their home about a week earlier.
Somehow, Zagco was taken into

635
00:34:02,800 –> 00:34:04,920
custody but released without
charges.

636
00:34:05,080 –> 00:34:08,800
But Lasoda was arrested on
disorderly conduct and

637
00:34:08,840 –> 00:34:13,600
obstruction of justice charges.
Ziz served five months in jail

638
00:34:13,639 –> 00:34:18,400
and then disappeared along with
Daniel Blank and Michelle Zagco

639
00:34:18,520 –> 00:34:22,360
immediately upon release.
This part blows my mind because

640
00:34:22,360 –> 00:34:27,040
by this point, Ziz Lasota has
already faked her own death, is

641
00:34:27,040 –> 00:34:29,560
supposed to be on trial
somewhere else for the

642
00:34:29,560 –> 00:34:33,560
trespassing and child
endangerment, and somehow in the

643
00:34:33,560 –> 00:34:37,679
five months she’s in jail, no
one connects those dots and is

644
00:34:37,679 –> 00:34:40,440
like, all right, well, after you
get out, we’re obviously going

645
00:34:40,440 –> 00:34:43,199
to ship you back to where you
faked your own death.

646
00:34:43,400 –> 00:34:46,520
They just let her go and she
fucking vanishes.

647
00:34:46,719 –> 00:34:49,679
And her parents died.
Like did they not suspect her in

648
00:34:49,679 –> 00:34:52,760
that?
Yeah, I mean, Michelle Zagco is

649
00:34:53,040 –> 00:34:56,520
a person of interest in her
parents death, but I still think

650
00:34:56,639 –> 00:35:00,880
she hasn’t been charged yet,
even though there’s, I believe,

651
00:35:01,280 –> 00:35:07,440
doorbell camera footage of a car
pulling up to the house and

652
00:35:07,440 –> 00:35:11,200
someone yells mom and then you
just hear a bunch of screaming.

653
00:35:11,320 –> 00:35:16,520
So either she found the body or
she like faked finding the body.

654
00:35:16,520 –> 00:35:19,920
I don’t know.
But it seems like so far no one

655
00:35:19,920 –> 00:35:24,040
has been charged in that.
So yeah, they all go missing as

656
00:35:24,040 –> 00:35:28,720
soon as Lesotho’s released.
And then the murder of Michelle

657
00:35:28,720 –> 00:35:31,600
Zagco’s parents goes cold for a
couple years.

658
00:35:31,800 –> 00:35:35,920
But then Border Patrol Agent
David Mayland was killed in a

659
00:35:35,920 –> 00:35:39,800
shootout that resulted from a
routine traffic stop.

660
00:35:39,920 –> 00:35:41,320
How did I not put it in the
notes?

661
00:35:41,320 –> 00:35:43,120
I believe it was in Delaware,
right?

662
00:35:43,320 –> 00:35:46,240
I was going to say it was in a
notes, the Border Patrol just

663
00:35:46,240 –> 00:35:48,800
didn’t say where.
Yeah, I believe it was.

664
00:35:49,560 –> 00:35:52,320
What border does Delaware have?
Canada.

665
00:35:52,320 –> 00:35:53,320
Maybe.
I don’t know.

666
00:35:53,320 –> 00:35:56,400
I honestly have no idea where
Canada is.

667
00:35:56,400 –> 00:35:58,720
I mean, because we have a lot of
Border Patrol people up here

668
00:35:58,720 –> 00:36:02,600
because we right next to Canada.
Yeah, Northern Vermont is where

669
00:36:02,760 –> 00:36:05,880
this shooting happened.
So yeah, it was the Canadian

670
00:36:05,880 –> 00:36:07,400
border, basically.
Or not.

671
00:36:07,400 –> 00:36:08,760
Basically it was Canadian
border.

672
00:36:09,000 –> 00:36:11,080
Oh, OK.
Because yeah, yeah, Border

673
00:36:11,080 –> 00:36:14,760
Patrol up here, they yeah, you
see them all the time in

674
00:36:14,760 –> 00:36:16,480
Michigan.
We’re right outside of Detroit.

675
00:36:16,680 –> 00:36:22,800
So after Zizians members Ophelia
Bokholt and Teresa Youngblut

676
00:36:22,960 –> 00:36:26,000
were pulled over, more names
man.

677
00:36:26,160 –> 00:36:29,040
Youngblatt got out and started
shooting.

678
00:36:29,080 –> 00:36:33,280
Agents fired back and Baughholt
was killed while trying to pull

679
00:36:33,280 –> 00:36:36,040
a gun.
It’s unclear if David Mayland

680
00:36:36,040 –> 00:36:39,560
was killed by one of the Zizians
or by gunfire from his fellow

681
00:36:39,560 –> 00:36:41,720
agents.
Either way, Youngblatt was

682
00:36:41,720 –> 00:36:44,080
arrested.
Was eventually learned that the

683
00:36:44,080 –> 00:36:48,080
weapons the Zizians had during
this altercation were provided

684
00:36:48,080 –> 00:36:53,520
by uh oh Michelle Zagco, the
same Zizian’s member authorities

685
00:36:53,520 –> 00:36:55,920
thought maybe killed her
parents, but it seems like they

686
00:36:55,920 –> 00:37:01,000
still haven’t charged her.
But finally in early February,

687
00:37:01,200 –> 00:37:05,520
Ziz Lesota, Daniel Blank and
Michelle Zagco were tracked down

688
00:37:05,520 –> 00:37:10,280
in Frostburg, Maryland.
A property owner there found,

689
00:37:10,480 –> 00:37:13,880
you guessed it, 2 white box
trucks had taken up residence on

690
00:37:13,880 –> 00:37:16,280
his property.
When he went to investigate, the

691
00:37:16,280 –> 00:37:18,880
people in the trucks asked if
they could stay for a month and

692
00:37:18,880 –> 00:37:22,240
he was like sure, and then
immediately went back to his

693
00:37:22,240 –> 00:37:24,440
house and called the police.
Exactly.

694
00:37:24,440 –> 00:37:28,040
Don’t confront some lunatics
living in box trucks like, oh

695
00:37:28,120 –> 00:37:30,760
sure guys, you need some water.
Yeah, just go call the police.

696
00:37:31,000 –> 00:37:34,520
Yeah, and also, you don’t like
go out there and try to force

697
00:37:34,520 –> 00:37:38,280
him to leave.
Just let the police shoot it out

698
00:37:38,480 –> 00:37:41,840
with those fucking weirdos.
And so when the police arrived,

699
00:37:42,280 –> 00:37:47,320
La Soda and Daniel Blank were
armed and uncooperative, while

700
00:37:47,320 –> 00:37:51,520
Michelle Zagco cried and pleaded
with the police not to kill her,

701
00:37:51,640 –> 00:37:55,320
which is a reasonable response.
And she’s the one that who

702
00:37:55,320 –> 00:37:57,680
parents got killed, right?
All of these names are confusing

703
00:37:57,680 –> 00:37:59,880
me.
Yeah, Michelle Zagco is the one

704
00:37:59,880 –> 00:38:03,520
whose parents are dead.
And at her first bail hearing, a

705
00:38:03,520 –> 00:38:06,280
judge ordered Ziz La Soda to be
held without bail.

706
00:38:06,440 –> 00:38:09,360
And that’s where where the
stories at Now, one of the

707
00:38:09,360 –> 00:38:13,800
really fun quirks about them
getting arrested is when they

708
00:38:13,800 –> 00:38:17,200
were arrested, it was just for
the trespassing stuff that

709
00:38:17,200 –> 00:38:19,880
happened at that camp way back
when.

710
00:38:20,280 –> 00:38:23,920
The police had no idea they were
tied to all of these murders

711
00:38:24,120 –> 00:38:25,720
also.
So they had a fucking

712
00:38:25,720 –> 00:38:28,080
trespassing warrant and that’s
what they got arrested for?

713
00:38:28,280 –> 00:38:30,240
Yeah, I didn’t know you.
Could get arrested for that

714
00:38:30,240 –> 00:38:31,200
shit.
I thought that’s just like a

715
00:38:31,200 –> 00:38:34,320
hey, come pay this fine.
Well, remember, they were

716
00:38:34,320 –> 00:38:38,000
supposed to go to court, and
that’s when Ziz Lasota faked her

717
00:38:38,000 –> 00:38:40,440
death.
And oh, yeah, now that I think

718
00:38:40,440 –> 00:38:42,280
about it, they got that case
thrown out.

719
00:38:42,480 –> 00:38:45,960
So I wonder if they, like,
refiled the case when they

720
00:38:45,960 –> 00:38:48,240
realized Ziz Lasota wasn’t dead.
Who?

721
00:38:48,320 –> 00:38:51,160
This is the American justice
system at work.

722
00:38:51,400 –> 00:38:54,440
And these people like they, like
you said, they weren’t, they

723
00:38:54,440 –> 00:38:56,800
didn’t seem to be committing
crimes to get any type of

724
00:38:56,800 –> 00:39:00,320
welfare, like run some type of
X-Men school or some shit.

725
00:39:00,320 –> 00:39:01,680
I don’t know what their purpose
was.

726
00:39:01,680 –> 00:39:04,360
It just sound kind of like a
bunch of people that have some

727
00:39:04,360 –> 00:39:05,880
type of mental illness or
something.

728
00:39:06,080 –> 00:39:08,560
Yeah, they sound like some
entitled assholes.

729
00:39:08,800 –> 00:39:11,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Maybe they just some they think

730
00:39:11,680 –> 00:39:14,720
they smarter than everyone.
I, I don’t know, I don’t

731
00:39:14,720 –> 00:39:18,440
understand what this how to
snowboard into all of this.

732
00:39:18,640 –> 00:39:21,960
Yeah, I mean, killing the 80
year old man who’s letting you

733
00:39:22,160 –> 00:39:25,920
park your fucking box trucks on
his property, there’s nothing

734
00:39:25,920 –> 00:39:29,520
revolutionary about that.
You’re not going to reform

735
00:39:29,520 –> 00:39:33,520
society doing that shit.
I mean, killing a Border Patrol

736
00:39:33,520 –> 00:39:36,920
cop, you’re not really even
putting a dent in the problem

737
00:39:36,920 –> 00:39:38,400
there.
And then this poor girl’s

738
00:39:38,400 –> 00:39:41,600
parents, what did they do?
Like, yeah, for me to really get

739
00:39:41,600 –> 00:39:43,800
behind this group’s ’cause
they’re going to have to start

740
00:39:43,800 –> 00:39:46,480
like doing that Mangione shit,
you know?

741
00:39:46,880 –> 00:39:49,560
Yeah, maybe they maybe.
Did anybody leave the manifesto

742
00:39:49,560 –> 00:39:51,480
in this one?
I didn’t find one.

743
00:39:51,560 –> 00:39:54,320
I looked.
I guess we’re taking Ziz

744
00:39:54,320 –> 00:39:59,120
Lasoda’s blog posts as the
group’s manifesto, which, no,

745
00:39:59,120 –> 00:40:01,360
you got to synthesize that down
into a document.

746
00:40:01,400 –> 00:40:03,800
I’m not going to go read
someone’s entire fucking blog.

747
00:40:03,800 –> 00:40:05,400
You kidding me?
Right.

748
00:40:05,760 –> 00:40:09,480
You got to have AI summarize
that for me or something.

749
00:40:10,000 –> 00:40:13,360
Yeah, this, this, this group was
they just crashed off for no

750
00:40:13,360 –> 00:40:16,680
reason, pretty much.
Yeah, and I mean, maybe we’ll

751
00:40:16,680 –> 00:40:21,240
hear more about their practices
as a cult and that will make

752
00:40:21,240 –> 00:40:25,760
them more interesting at some
point, but right now they just

753
00:40:25,760 –> 00:40:31,040
seem like a ragtag bunch of
weirdos who latched onto 1

754
00:40:31,040 –> 00:40:34,880
weirdo in particular and started
causing high jinks all around

755
00:40:34,880 –> 00:40:36,200
the country.
Right.

756
00:40:36,200 –> 00:40:38,520
It just sounded like a bunch of
Yeah, like a bunch of Internet

757
00:40:38,520 –> 00:40:42,040
weirdos met up in person and
like they didn’t have any end

758
00:40:42,040 –> 00:40:44,440
game or anything.
Like this is less of a

759
00:40:44,440 –> 00:40:47,960
conspiracy episode and this is
more like pretty scary Boo

760
00:40:47,960 –> 00:40:50,800
revival or some shit.
Yeah, this would definitely have

761
00:40:50,800 –> 00:40:55,880
been on the true crime podcast
probably if that still existed,

762
00:40:56,120 –> 00:40:59,400
because there really isn’t.
I mean, even with cults, usually

763
00:40:59,400 –> 00:41:03,720
you can get some sense of, oh,
is this a government thing?

764
00:41:03,720 –> 00:41:05,880
Is this like ACIA mind control
thing?

765
00:41:06,080 –> 00:41:07,800
I’m just not feeling it with
this.

766
00:41:07,800 –> 00:41:10,600
This just feels like fucking
crazy people.

767
00:41:10,920 –> 00:41:12,240
Right.
Like I could see if they were

768
00:41:12,240 –> 00:41:15,400
attacking some buildings that
had like, I don’t know, cloud

769
00:41:15,400 –> 00:41:17,440
servers or some shit.
Since they worried about AI,

770
00:41:17,440 –> 00:41:20,960
they weren’t doing anything.
Yeah, I mean, not for nothing,

771
00:41:20,960 –> 00:41:24,800
if you’re mad about AI, there’s
a few people you could go after.

772
00:41:25,080 –> 00:41:28,040
Exactly.
And they aren’t 80 year old

773
00:41:28,040 –> 00:41:31,400
Curtis Lind letting you rent
space on his farm so you can

774
00:41:31,400 –> 00:41:34,760
live in your box trucks.
So yeah, this group’s not that

775
00:41:34,760 –> 00:41:38,080
interesting, but people wanted
an episode about this.

776
00:41:38,360 –> 00:41:40,280
Yeah, I’m surprised I haven’t
heard.

777
00:41:40,520 –> 00:41:45,000
I haven’t heard anything about
this. 1 I’m an Internet content

778
00:41:45,000 –> 00:41:48,520
creator, so of course when I say
people wanted an episode about

779
00:41:48,520 –> 00:41:51,640
this, I mean like two or three
people maybe tweeted at me

780
00:41:51,640 –> 00:41:54,520
something like that.
Right, or the the discord.

781
00:41:55,240 –> 00:41:58,360
Yeah, that kind of shit.
But I’m sure there will be

782
00:41:58,360 –> 00:42:00,320
updates.
I’m sure we’ll find out more

783
00:42:00,320 –> 00:42:05,360
about this group and maybe we’ll
do a follow up episode once we

784
00:42:05,360 –> 00:42:08,600
get more information.
But until then, that’s the story

785
00:42:08,600 –> 00:42:11,440
of the Zizians.
John, thank you so much for

786
00:42:11,440 –> 00:42:13,120
doing the pod.
I appreciate it.

787
00:42:13,600 –> 00:42:16,120
No problem.
What do we have to plug before

788
00:42:16,120 –> 00:42:19,480
we get out of here?
All I got is follow me on Blue

789
00:42:19,480 –> 00:42:22,760
sky at Adam Todd, brown dot B,
sky dot Social.

790
00:42:22,760 –> 00:42:25,560
That’s Todd with 1D, and that’s
all I got.

791
00:42:25,760 –> 00:42:28,200
John, what do you want to plug?
Yeah, follow, check out my

792
00:42:28,200 –> 00:42:30,720
YouTube channel, my community
feed, I’ve been updating.

793
00:42:30,720 –> 00:42:34,520
I actually had a lot going on.
Homie FD Signifier, I was on his

794
00:42:34,800 –> 00:42:38,320
YouTube, I was on his podcast
channel talking about unions and

795
00:42:38,320 –> 00:42:41,960
organizing because I’ve actually
been a part of unions in

796
00:42:41,960 –> 00:42:44,120
Michigan.
We’re one of the last few states

797
00:42:44,120 –> 00:42:47,480
that still has a strong union.
So when people were like, yeah,

798
00:42:47,480 –> 00:42:50,760
black out one day out of the
year, I’m like, let’s be real

799
00:42:50,760 –> 00:42:53,600
guys, that’s some liberal
performative shit.

800
00:42:53,600 –> 00:42:56,760
Like organizing and work
stoppage is how you actually

801
00:42:56,760 –> 00:43:00,120
affect the bottom line.
So I did a podcast with him, my

802
00:43:00,120 –> 00:43:04,120
new Boondocks joint performing
pretty well and I’m working.

803
00:43:04,280 –> 00:43:06,560
And besides that, I’m working on
my next big one.

804
00:43:06,560 –> 00:43:08,240
I haven’t announced it yet.
Nice.

805
00:43:08,920 –> 00:43:11,280
And I think that’s it.
Let’s get the fuck out of here,

806
00:43:11,280 –> 00:43:12,480
John.
Say goodbye.

807
00:43:12,640 –> 00:43:14,880
Peace guys.
Goodbye everybody, we love you.