Conspiracy! The Show The Fat Leonard Trials (Update)

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Hey everybody, this is Adam,
host of the podcast you’re about

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to listen to.
Don’t skip this.

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It’s not an ad.
Drop it in.

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To let you know, this episode
was originally recorded and

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released in 2022.
It’s about a highly embarrassing

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scandal involving the Navy and
the Office of Naval Intelligence

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called the Fat Leonard Scandal.
I’m running this episode again

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this week for a few different
reasons.

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One, we’re taking the week off
from posting new episodes.

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You might not be shocked to know
that last week wasn’t the most

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productive week in my work life,
so plan a little bit of catch

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up.
We’ll be back with new episodes

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next week, But this isn’t
completely old material.

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There are several updates to
this story, most of them on the

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trial side of things.
This episode you’re about to

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listen to is mostly about the
scandal itself.

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The update I will be providing
at the end involves not just the

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trial of Fat Leonard himself,
but also the various defendants

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that he bribed in order to carry
out his scheme and the shocking

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punishment that they are all
facing now.

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So there’s that, but also this
ties into an episode that will

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be out next week.
I’ve been talking forever about

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doing a series where we profile
the various intelligence

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agencies of the United States.
And the first of those episodes

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is coming next week.
And it’s about the Office of

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Naval Intelligence, which you
might be surprised to know is

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this country’s first
intelligence agency ever.

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But you shouldn’t be that
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They were founded back when we
were doing all our war stuff

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with boats, you know, And this
scandal, the Fat Leonard

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scandal, directly involves the
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So I was going to have to talk
about it at some point when I

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cover the Office of Naval
Intelligence.

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And hey, looks like I already
did.

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So enjoy this episode, stick
around again until the end,

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there’s a few minutes of
updates, and then I’ll be back

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next week to better acquaint.
You with the.

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Various intelligence agencies of
the United States of America.

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Thanks, I love you.
Let’s get to the podcast.

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Welcome to Conspiracy The Show,
the world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast, with
your hosts Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia Hydar.
Hey everybody, welcome to

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Conspiracy the Show.
I’m Adam Todd Brown.

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And I’m Olivia Hydart.
And that would make us your

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hosts.
Olivia, how’s it going?

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It’s going well, It’s going
well.

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Fall seems to be finally turning
its head.

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I’m sorry.
Fall what is?

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Autumn.
It’s a kind of in between season

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that comes between summer and
I’m sorry.

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Seasons, what are you?
Yes, seasons.

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It’s like so the Earth.
It’s tilted on its radial axis

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and so.
Yeah, I mean, science is out on

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that.
I think we’ve got some episodes

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planned but OK.
You sure agree.

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Agree to disagree seasons.
I’ve heard they exist.

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Yeah.
No, I mean they do.

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It’s just not kind of not as
much anymore.

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Yeah, they barely.
Exist unfortunately.

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I like that I don’t have seasons
anymore.

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It’s fine.
I never know what time of year

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it is.
It’s amazing.

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I mean, I miss, I love the
weather.

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When I lived in LA it was the
best.

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But I will say disposition wise,
I am just so much better suited

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to fall.
It’s just.

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I mean, fall is pretty.
Great.

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Yeah, all of my clothes
basically are tailored to fall

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or like wintery fall type of
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Yeah, I’m a big layers guy.
I like when Jacket sees and

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rolls around in LA.
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And here’s the thing.
And I just kind of, if I, I

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don’t wear a sweater or
something, I kind of feel naked.

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And so I’ll just wear sweaters
in the summer.

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It’s just hot.
It sucks.

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So we’re talking about a scandal
today, a military scandal, a

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military corruption scandal that
I’m going to be honest, I’m not

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that mad about.
Yeah, we’re talking about.

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Supposed to be mad about.
We’re talking about the Fat

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Leonard scandal, Yeah, Which is
AI.

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Mean like.
Developing story.

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It’s a new, it’s a new thing.
It’s just come out.

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For sure, I mean like personally
like I just have a hard time

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getting too mad about anything I
just learned about and I had

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never heard of this before you
sent me that info.

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Yeah, I hadn’t heard much about
it.

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It’s apparently been brewing for
like 25 years.

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Yeah.
And people have been blowing the

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whistle about it for about 15
years, but it’s just now this

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guy had to have done something
wrong.

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This is like one of those cases
where someone just has

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government protection for years
and years and years and then all

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of a sudden they don’t.
And it’s like, all right, what

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the fuck did you do?
Who did you catch doing

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something?
What’s going on here?

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He’s got some book with
high-ranking officials listed in

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it with some salacious material
or something.

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We know he had some high level
connections because a lot of

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those people have been arrested
in connection to this.

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But there have to be people
above them who finally pulled

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the trigger on this.
And we’re like, this guy’s gone

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too far.
Because this really was a scheme

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that kind of paid off on both
ends.

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Yeah, the only real victims were
the taxpayers, and we’re always

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the victims, right?
I mean, Oh no, slightly more of

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our money went towards the
military and military expenses.

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Oh no.
Yeah, I mean, compared to a lot

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of the things our military
spending goes toward, I think

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keeping Thai and Filipino sex
workers afloat isn’t the worst.

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No, it’s like a charity, yeah.
Essentially so.

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The Fat Leonard scandal.
The Washington Post called it

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quote perhaps the worst national
security breach of its kind to

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hit the Navy since the end of
the cold.

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War and quote and yeah, but I
also don’t feel like we were put

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in any danger as a nation over.
This.

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Right.
No, I mean, national security is

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just something that gets thrown
around for a lot of different

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reasons.
It seems like this guy was just

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the best at bribing people, and
I feel like he’s definitely not

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the only one bribing people.
No.

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But he feels like the Michael
Jordan of bribing.

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Right, right.
Yeah, His sick game was insane,

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like.
This scandal, it involves a ship

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support contractor called Glenn
Defense Marine Asia GDMA and the

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company’s CEO and president,
Leonard, Glenn Francis, AKA Fat

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Leonard.
He is the driving force behind

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this scandal.
I mean.

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First of all, rude.
How do you get the moniker Fat

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Leonard?
Yeah, wouldn’t you, as someone

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who wielded this much power,
demand a better nickname?

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Like I’d have people killed for
calling me Fat Leonard if I was

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this.
Guy like do we know the

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provenance of the name Fat
Leonard?

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Well, I mean, he weighed like
£350, but even when I hear that,

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I’m like, well, how tall was he?
Was he like?

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I.
Mean 54.

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I imagine he was hefty like that
part I understood.

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I just mean, did he start
calling himself Fat Leonard?

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Did he know that people were
calling him fat?

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Leonard, this is how we found
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He’s like, yeah, all the Fat
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They Paul just called me Glenn
I.

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Thought we were Bros.
See this is I I really would

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like to know nicknames are so
strict because I just think

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about my frame of reference for
nicknames is like lost and The

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Sopranos.
So I’m thinking about big pussy.

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How big pussy get big his name?
Yeah, there’s got to be quite

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the story behind it.
Either that or just someone was

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like, you’re fat, you’re fat
Leonard.

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Hey, Leonard.
Hey, fat Leonard.

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I mean, because it’s still the
military.

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They’re still probably bullying
the shit out of this guy.

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No matter who it was, it was
definitely said in the tone of

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Hey, Fat Leonard, how’s it
going?

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And.
He was probably like, that’s

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fine, That’s what all my friends
call me.

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That’s my nickname.
No, it’s cool.

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It’s cool.
Yeah.

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No.
Hey, by the way here, how about

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I fleece you for 25 years?
That’s fine.

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That’s his revenge.
Yeah, that’s the thing.

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As a ship support contractor,
what that means is exactly what

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it sounds like.
The GDMA’s role was to service

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ships as they would come into
the various ports of the world

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and they would restock food and
water, do maintenance, stuff,

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things of the like.
Sure.

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And the elevator pitch version
of how this scandal worked is

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that Fat Leonard would bribe
members of the Navy’s Seventh

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Fleet with cash and travel
expenses and luxury items.

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Prostitutes.
My God, prostitutes come up so

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much in this, just constantly.
And in return, they would give

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Fat Leonard classified
information about the movement

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of US ships and submarines and
about any active criminal

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investigations into Glenn
Defense Marine Asia.

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I just feel like that’s a really
high price for a prostitute it.

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Does seem the thinking has to be
that, well, he’s not giving this

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information to Russia.
But also that seems those seem

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like very risky dice to roll,
right?

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Believing this guy is not giving
this information to Russia

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because for one thing, the first
thing he does when he’s finally

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found out is try to flee to
Russia.

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Of course.
So I have to imagine the

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thinking in giving like the ship
movement information was, well,

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he’s just using it to make more
money for his ship maintenance

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company because that’s what he
would do.

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He would take this information
about where ships were going to

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be and he would use his people
inside the Navy to redirect or

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direct these ships to ports that
he controlled.

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And then when these ships got to
these ports, he would way

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overcharge for various services
as a means of bilking the Navy.

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But he would cover it up by
bribing people and throwing

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these elaborate parties and
sending people on trips.

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I don’t know, I’m still not that
mad at it.

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I’m not mad at this at all.
Olivia, you seem angry.

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I’m very I’m pissed.
No, but it just just seemed like

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very convoluted.
I feel like there’s a few middle

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steps in there that we could cut
out not to know probably.

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I mean, it’s like we’re both
bribing the Navy.

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We’re first we’re bribing the
Navy to get the information, and

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then we’re bribing the Navy to
keep it quiet that we’re getting

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like we’re overcharging him for
shit.

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Like I just feel like that’s too
many bribes.

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Let’s try and condense this into
one bribe.

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It does seem like a lot of work.
Yeah.

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But also, you got to imagine he
was probably enjoying all of

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this himself, because it’s not
like he would throw these

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elaborate parties and then be
like, all right, I’ll be in the

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manager’s office if you need me.
No, I’m sure partying with the

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Navy.
Also, I don’t know if I’d

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wonder.
That’s probably how you get the

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nickname Fat Leonard partying
with the fucking military.

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Yeah.
And so he would, yeah, he would

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use that information about ship
movements to redirect, like

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aircraft carriers, ships, Subs
to ports he controlled.

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And it’s the scope of this
scandal that’s really

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impressive, right?
Because this is the kind of

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thing that you think would go on
for like, a year or two, and

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someone would find it out.
The 7th Fleet depended on GDMA

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more than any other firm to
refuel and resupply its vessels

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for 25 years.
That’s a long time.

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It’s a very long time.
I mean, I, I feel like maybe, I

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don’t know at that point, are
they really taking advantage of

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you?
Yeah, it just, it kind of seems

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like this is the contract they
wanted to go with.

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They wanted to go with this, the
party guy, so.

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Look, because they’re lonely
sailors, it’s they’re out on sea

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for a long time.
Easy access to prostitutes.

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Is.
Probably a desirable benefit to

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their services.
Yeah, that’s the thing.

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Someone was going to overcharge
the Navy for this, and most of

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them were not going to provide
the services that Glen Defense

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Marine Asia provided, which was
the party of the century, but

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like once a week.
Right.

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That’s my question is how much
was he spending on these

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parties?
Because you hear the thing that

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keeps coming up is how much he
would charge for sewage removal.

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And it seems like he was like
double billing for that.

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But yeah, is that enough to
cover all of these expenses and

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still get rich?
It’s got to be.

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Well, I mean, and you have to
imagine if this is how he’s

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treating the US Navy, that he
probably has similar schemes set

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up with every person in the
nearby port who could provide

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what he needs for a party like
this.

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There’s no way he’s paying for
all that if if he’s fleecing the

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Navy like this.
Yeah, we’ll get into it later,

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but he had contracts with the
navies of several different

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countries and it’s like, Oh
yeah, no shit.

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I wonder, I wonder how he got
those contracts.

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I wonder what those parties were
like.

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It’s just funny that a guy named
Fat Leonard just has access to

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who knows how many countries
classified naval documents.

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That’s the thing, this has kind
of like a Jeffrey Epstein stink

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to it, where it’s like, yeah,
this guy was obviously the key

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figure in it, but who else was
involved in this?

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Because this he was but a lowly
shipping maintenance guy and he

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had all these connections to
like top notch sex workers.

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I’ll call them sex workers.
The Washington Post insists on

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prostitutes, but like, how did
he get access to the things he

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bribed these people with?
It’s like he just had a

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warehouse of Cohiba cigars and
attractive foreign women willing

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to have sex with the Navy for
money like he.

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Might have.
Yeah, he might have.

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And yeah, it’s wild to think
about.

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And he managed to get moles in
at different levels of the Navy.

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This is a quote from a retired
Navy official speaking to The

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Washington Post.
The Soviets couldn’t have

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penetrated us better than
Leonard Francis.

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He’s got people skills that are
off the scale.

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He can hook you so fast that you
don’t see it coming.

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At one time he infiltrated the
entire leadership line.

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The KGB could not have done what
he did.

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That’s to me speaks to something
more than just, I mean, I know

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some people are just born
naturally charming, but also

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some people earn it at the
School of the Americas or

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whatever shadowy CIA cult
organization is operating in.

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Whatever country he had, he had
some pretty remarkable people

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skills.
But I mean, he seems like he was

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a master of penetration that
that.

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Just yeah.
From Fat Leonard.

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Woo Fat Leonard, Master of
Penetration, Volume 1.

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Look.
Yeah.

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Sure.
Oh no, Fat Leonard.

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I don’t know.
I mean, yeah, it’s wild to think

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he almost kind of hoped that he
was a spy.

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Yeah, I mean, I hope he was a
spy for us because I’m very

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patriotic.
We all know that.

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Of course, sure.
But.

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Yeah, there’s got to be
something to how he had access

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to all of these things he bribed
people with because that right,

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at least in like, we’ll link to
a Washington Post write up about

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this that goes into a lot of
detail and interviews a lot of

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sources.
And they don’t really explain

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how he makes the jump from
seemingly legitimate shipping

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maintenance company operator to
this guy that has the funds to

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pull off all these bribes.
Like his family was like, they

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were well off, but not like they
weren’t like Kennedys, they

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weren’t like Rockefellers.
And like how?

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Where did the seed money to
start the criminal play this

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come from?
Yeah, the beginning, that’s the

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part that I am the most
interested is, yeah, that like

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you said, that transition, how
do you make that leap the first

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time?
Maybe he just saw an opportunity

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and had the means and just
jumped on it and rode, just kind

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of went along for the ride.
Yeah, it’s got to be because the

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things he was bribing people
with, the Washington Post

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article that will link to, they
have a whole list of things and

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I’ll just go through some of
them.

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Four nights at a Manila hotel
along with a prostitute.

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Four nights at a Hong Kong hotel
along with a prostitute.

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Of course, and house cleaning
just leaves the prostitute on

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the pillow like a mint.
Sorry sex worker, I should

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really.
Yeah, we’re quoting the

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Washington Post here and all of
their fucking writings about

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this and it like it’s the word.
All of the reports about this

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use tickets to a Lady Gaga
concert in Thailand.

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Cool.
No prostitute.

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I’m sure there was a prostitute
sex worker there too.

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Tickets to The Lion King musical
in Japan.

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Is it as good if it’s in Japan
and not on Broadway?

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That feels like the idea.
I mean off B way to me.

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It’s just that they were in
Japan.

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I just have to imagine that’s
why it was that one.

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No, it’s a completely different
play in Japan.

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You know, and they didn’t, he
didn’t give them plane tickets

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to Japan, which is really kind
of a RIP off.

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I like this next one.
Prostitutes.

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It’s like, come on, you’ve just
added four nights at a Manila

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hotel along with a prostitute
and then like 15 entries down,

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it just lists the word
prostitutes separately.

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It’s like you are really
enjoying saying and that’s

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aren’t you?
They’re like tearing to, you

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know, when they.
Everyone.

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In this article.
They just really want to

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reinforce that they were like
fucking all the time.

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There was also nine days lodging
in Tonga.

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Sure.
I mean awesome.

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I’d take that. $3000 cash and
then $1000 cash per month and

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then cash again.
You don’t have to list cash

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after 3000.
Like you’re getting less

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specific as it goes on and
that’s not how that suppose you

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are.
The Washington fucking Post

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Tighten your shit up.
Also three-week 5 country

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vacation in Southeast Asia.
That’s a lot of shit.

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Yeah, like it’s a busy week. 3
weeks.

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It’s a busy few weeks.
It reminds me of that story of

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how Courtney Love showed up in
the British New Wave scene with

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1000 Hits of Ecstasy and A Guy
Who Worked worked for the CIA.

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And it’s like, yeah, that’s
normal.

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That sounds like the perfectly
normal movings and comings and

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goings of a regular person with
no ties to anything shady at

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all.
Yet of course Courtney Love had

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access to 1000 hits of acid.
What?

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So let’s backtrack a little talk
about how this started.

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Fat Leonard.
He comes from a family that

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worked in boat stuff, which is
the science term for it

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specifically.
His maternal grandfather started

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a maritime logistics firm and
his family had money but they

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were still kind of
dysfunctional.

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At one point his mom left
because dad was a cheater but

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also she took two of fat Leonard
siblings with her and left him

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with dad so he could make sure
dad didn’t bring home any

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strange women which send this
guy bad parenting.

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Yeah, and then this guy went on
to basically traffic women or

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exchange them for favors.
Yeah.

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I wonder if he had any issues
from this upbringing.

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Nah.
That, yeah.

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He did have.
Some skirmishes with the law,

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which in Malaysia means you’re
going to get beat with a cane.

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He.
Apparently opened a bar and fell

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in with some shady characters
and at one point his bar gets

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raided and they find guns and
ammunition which is a big big

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deal in a country like Malaysia.
Yes.

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And because his family had some
means, he was able to get off

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without the caning.
But the police were so angry

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that he got off on such a light
sentence, they arrested him

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again immediately upon leaving
the courthouse and charged him

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with a string of robberies he
did not commit.

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And they finally dropped those
charges in exchange for him.

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Like taking more of a sentence
for the gun crime.

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And he finally got 6 weapons
with the cane.

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Those cops really wanted to see
him get beat.

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They were probably jerking off
while they were watching it.

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Yeah, really obsessed with this
cane.

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Look, man, we got the, we
polished the cane that was

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already and then you took it
away.

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Or stakeholders in that cane
company, you got to keep the

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name in the news.
And so he finally he gets 6

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lashes with the cane, which is
more harsh than it sounds.

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That is actually a very insane
punishment if you’ve ever looked

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into it.
And after he’s done dealing with

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all that, he gets into the
family business.

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And he didn’t really know
anything about the family

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business, but he did what you do
in that situation and you just

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hire people who do know about it
and you let them do most of the

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work and you focus on securing
the plus for the US.

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Navy look, this is going to be
vital to his business interests

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going forward.
He also changed the ringtone on

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his phone to God Bless the USA
by Lee Greenwood.

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Brilliant.
Classic, Absolutely brilliant.

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Great idea, that legitimately a
great idea.

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So by the early 2000s, he’d
secured contracts to service

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U.S.
Navy ships in ports from Russia

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to Papua New Guinea, along with
business from the Navy’s of

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Britain, France, Mexico, India
and the Netherlands.

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I wonder what but those parties
were like.

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I mean, knowing what his other
parties were like, probably a

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good time.
Which ones do we think were the

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best?
I’m going France or Mexico.

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Probably Mexico.
I don’t know, I think India

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would party pretty hard.
Yeah, they got a space program.

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You’re going to see some shit
partying with India.

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They know what the fuck’s going
on.

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Exactly.
Well, in the Netherlands, love

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weed.
Yeah, but I mean, we got weed.

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That’s fair.
My days of being impressed by

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having weed are long gone.
We got weed too.

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It’s too.
Hard to find here.

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Oh yeah, oh, that sucks.
That’s the one thing I always

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when I’m like, why do I still
live in California?

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It’s like, Oh yeah, that’s why
it’s so easy here.

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It’s so easy.
So one of the things that

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obviously played a role in him
getting all these contracts is

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Fat Leonard knew how to show an
incoming Navy servicemen a good

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time.
When an American Navy ship would

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come into one of his ports, he’d
be waiting at the pier like a

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goddamn concierge to arrange
shopping trips, sightseeing

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tours, concert tickets, whatever
people wanted.

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Not the kind of thing you expect
from the guy who’s also there to

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clean the shitter, right?
This is He’s here to empty out

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the sewage container, but he’s
also like Ricardo Montalban on

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Fantasy Island.
He’s wearing the fake Star Trek

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chest, so he doesn’t look quite
as fat.

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It’s not fake, that’s a real
chest in Wrath of Khan.

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I know, I know, but still.
I mean, he’s just an incredible

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shape, that’s the thing.
Yeah.

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I mean, that’s just that’s
really, he’s giving them

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platinum club service.
Like that’s above and beyond.

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Yeah, he would invite people to
really elaborate banquets.

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There would be fancy booze and
food and cigars.

440
00:26:55,960 –> 00:27:00,560
He had a team of elite pole
dancers that he called the Elite

441
00:27:00,640 –> 00:27:04,840
Thai Seal Team that he would
sometimes fly in.

442
00:27:04,840 –> 00:27:06,520
And it’s like, are they still in
business?

443
00:27:06,520 –> 00:27:09,200
I want to see the Elite Thai
Seal team.

444
00:27:09,560 –> 00:27:12,600
Do they have a YouTube?
If not, they should.

445
00:27:12,720 –> 00:27:20,200
It’s 2022, come on.
First hit okay I Google elite

446
00:27:20,200 –> 00:27:25,760
Thai seal team.
First hit, 36 hour orgy and

447
00:27:25,760 –> 00:27:30,600
elite hooker teams.
Lurid details of debauchery and

448
00:27:30,600 –> 00:27:36,080
Fat Leonard case.
That is way too long were there.

449
00:27:36,080 –> 00:27:38,760
Phones.
I was stinging at this orgy.

450
00:27:38,760 –> 00:27:39,760
Jesus.
Yeah.

451
00:27:40,800 –> 00:27:43,280
Were there phone chargers?
Could you, could you stay in

452
00:27:43,280 –> 00:27:48,040
touch with the public?
Or is that just three days lost

453
00:27:48,040 –> 00:27:55,200
to history?
Phone chargers. 30 if they were

454
00:27:55,200 –> 00:28:00,000
like it’s a 3.6 hour orgy I’d be
like I’m in for half maybe.

455
00:28:00,320 –> 00:28:03,240
Yeah, I’ll come and I’ll and
I’ll come and then I’ll get.

456
00:28:04,560 –> 00:28:09,040
Exactly 36 hours.
My God.

457
00:28:10,240 –> 00:28:15,520
He even went so far as to buy a
decommissioned British warship,

458
00:28:15,880 –> 00:28:21,760
the awesomely named RFA Sir
Lancelot, and he just turned it

459
00:28:21,760 –> 00:28:26,200
into a giant party boat like
complete with prostitutes in the

460
00:28:26,200 –> 00:28:28,800
ward room to entertain US
officers.

461
00:28:28,800 –> 00:28:32,760
He would pull it up alongside
ships as they were pulling in to

462
00:28:32,760 –> 00:28:36,400
his port.
And why was the Navy overlooking

463
00:28:36,400 –> 00:28:39,520
giving him all this money?
It’s like, yeah, I wonder why?

464
00:28:39,520 –> 00:28:42,400
Because he made their job.
Awesome, right.

465
00:28:42,480 –> 00:28:44,320
Yeah.
I mean, I would definitely if I

466
00:28:44,320 –> 00:28:46,840
had a choice of people to deal
with.

467
00:28:48,080 –> 00:28:51,320
I mean, look, you know, I just
saw a picture of him.

468
00:28:51,320 –> 00:28:54,040
He is not that fat.
Yeah, I get.

469
00:28:54,040 –> 00:28:58,720
The sense he’s probably a little
tall and at that point he’s. 50.

470
00:28:59,360 –> 00:29:02,880
Yeah, because I used to weigh
almost £350 at one point and I’m

471
00:29:02,880 –> 00:29:06,000
not tall and.
Yeah, I’m not tall and I don’t

472
00:29:06,000 –> 00:29:08,200
know how much I weigh because I
don’t look at scales.

473
00:29:08,440 –> 00:29:10,440
Yeah, yeah.
I don’t know what I weigh now.

474
00:29:10,720 –> 00:29:13,640
I quit nicotine, so I don’t want
to know like that.

475
00:29:13,640 –> 00:29:18,160
Yeah, quit nicotine is a whole
fucking thing and it has been in

476
00:29:18,160 –> 00:29:22,160
a months long ordeal and I am
positive I’ve gained some

477
00:29:22,160 –> 00:29:25,480
weight, but also I got sick that
one time and lost a bunch of

478
00:29:25,480 –> 00:29:28,440
weight.
So I had I had room to move

479
00:29:28,840 –> 00:29:30,800
right.
So for fat Leonard’s

480
00:29:30,800 –> 00:29:34,680
hospitality, the Navy would
routinely fire off these thank

481
00:29:34,680 –> 00:29:38,560
you notes called Bravo Zulus to
Glenn defense.

482
00:29:38,560 –> 00:29:42,840
That’s a Navy term for well done
and yeah.

483
00:29:43,120 –> 00:29:46,560
I just always think of them as
letters, but I guess that’s not

484
00:29:46,560 –> 00:29:48,320
what it means in this case.
Yeah, I don’t know.

485
00:29:48,320 –> 00:29:52,240
I mean, I know Zulu people are
an ethnic group in southern

486
00:29:52,240 –> 00:29:54,360
Africa.
Well, yeah, I know that.

487
00:29:54,360 –> 00:29:57,600
And I know that there’s a film
called Zulu that’s a pretty

488
00:29:57,600 –> 00:30:01,000
great but kind of racist movie.
And there’s, you know.

489
00:30:01,480 –> 00:30:04,640
Come on.
So Fat Leonard would in turn

490
00:30:04,640 –> 00:30:08,800
take these Bravo Zulus and post
them on his website and put them

491
00:30:08,800 –> 00:30:13,880
in like company brochures as
proof that he does a good job if

492
00:30:13,880 –> 00:30:16,360
your ships are coming to town,
right?

493
00:30:16,480 –> 00:30:20,520
One retired Admiral, speaking to
the Washington Post anonymously

494
00:30:20,600 –> 00:30:24,360
said that after he complimented
Francis on his fancy suit and,

495
00:30:24,360 –> 00:30:26,960
quote, blowtorch of a cigar
lighter.

496
00:30:27,160 –> 00:30:28,560
End Quote.
Of course.

497
00:30:28,840 –> 00:30:32,320
Francis showed up the next
morning as his ship was about to

498
00:30:32,320 –> 00:30:35,920
depart with some gifts.
He had one of those cigar

499
00:30:35,920 –> 00:30:39,520
lighters, which as it turns out,
cost $700.00, which that’s

500
00:30:39,760 –> 00:30:43,160
Gwyneth Paltrow vagina egg
territory there.

501
00:30:43,240 –> 00:30:47,160
Like, I don’t care how rich you
are, if you’re buying a $700.00

502
00:30:47,160 –> 00:30:50,200
cigar lighter, you don’t belong
here.

503
00:30:50,520 –> 00:30:55,400
Like you are not doing with your
money what we need you to be

504
00:30:55,400 –> 00:30:57,760
doing with your money, right
And.

505
00:30:57,920 –> 00:31:00,680
Yeah.
It needs to go to someone else

506
00:31:00,680 –> 00:31:04,840
and you need to go to space.
I’m just like, even if it’s

507
00:31:04,840 –> 00:31:07,880
gold, how is it $700?
Yeah.

508
00:31:08,080 –> 00:31:13,680
Did it belong to Babe Ruth?
Maybe it did, maybe it did.

509
00:31:13,840 –> 00:31:19,360
He also had two pewter platters
worth about $500 each, a pack of

510
00:31:19,360 –> 00:31:23,320
25 Cuban cigars and a business
card for his tailor.

511
00:31:23,760 –> 00:31:28,160
And this anonymous Admiral
refused all those gifts, he

512
00:31:28,160 –> 00:31:30,000
said.
There is no question in my mind

513
00:31:30,000 –> 00:31:32,880
that he tried to influence me.
It’s like fishing.

514
00:31:33,160 –> 00:31:35,960
He’s got the hook.
If he got an inch, he’d go for a

515
00:31:35,960 –> 00:31:38,120
foot.
If he’d get a foot, he’d go for

516
00:31:38,120 –> 00:31:42,680
a yard, which, wow, that’s rare.
I just take the plate, take the

517
00:31:42,680 –> 00:31:45,400
Peter Platters man.
Take the plate it sounds like.

518
00:31:46,120 –> 00:31:47,920
Has this guy ever smoked a Cuban
cigar?

519
00:31:47,920 –> 00:31:50,520
They’re great.
Yeah, I they are, they’re

520
00:31:50,520 –> 00:31:53,120
wonderful.
There’s this video game series

521
00:31:53,120 –> 00:31:55,640
called Yakuza.
They’re called the the Yakuza

522
00:31:55,640 –> 00:31:59,200
games in America.
And when you gamble and those

523
00:31:59,280 –> 00:32:01,440
there’s like gambling dens and
stuff.

524
00:32:01,520 –> 00:32:06,680
And when you gamble in the game,
they don’t reward you with cash

525
00:32:06,880 –> 00:32:09,240
for winning.
You just get like tokens that

526
00:32:09,240 –> 00:32:14,160
you can exchange for gifts that
you then exchange for cash and

527
00:32:14,360 –> 00:32:20,040
they’re like pewter platters and
really expensive lighters and

528
00:32:20,040 –> 00:32:22,560
shit.
Like it’s just, it sounds

529
00:32:22,560 –> 00:32:26,280
exactly like this stuff.
Maybe that’s who’s behind all

530
00:32:26,280 –> 00:32:28,720
this.
Yeah, maybe it’s the maybe Fat

531
00:32:28,720 –> 00:32:30,200
Leonard’s working for the
Yakuza.

532
00:32:30,200 –> 00:32:33,960
Who knows?
So one really great example of

533
00:32:33,960 –> 00:32:38,920
how much power Fat Leonard was
wielding within the Navy after

534
00:32:38,920 –> 00:32:43,120
just a few short years of
providing boat maintenance and

535
00:32:43,120 –> 00:32:47,240
fuck services can be found in
the story of Dave Schauss.

536
00:32:47,400 –> 00:32:51,040
He was one of the first people
to question Fat Leonard about

537
00:32:51,040 –> 00:32:55,520
his exorbitant bills for ship
maintenance services.

538
00:32:55,520 –> 00:33:00,160
He was a junior officer assigned
to the Navy’s Ship Support

539
00:33:00,160 –> 00:33:04,560
Office in Hong Kong, and he
became suspicious when GDMA

540
00:33:04,640 –> 00:33:10,120
billed his office for pumping
100,000 gallons of sewage from a

541
00:33:10,120 –> 00:33:12,880
destroyer that spent four days
in port.

542
00:33:13,040 –> 00:33:17,200
And the problem there is that
the destroyer in question had a

543
00:33:17,200 –> 00:33:23,600
sewage tank with a maximum
capacity of 12,000 gallons, and

544
00:33:23,600 –> 00:33:26,040
it was only serviced once a day,
right?

545
00:33:26,320 –> 00:33:31,960
So for all you non math nerds
out there, that means GDMA

546
00:33:31,960 –> 00:33:35,280
billed for twice the amount of
sewage that was physically

547
00:33:35,280 –> 00:33:39,200
capable of being removed from
the ship during that span.

548
00:33:39,320 –> 00:33:43,240
And when Schauss questioned
Francis about it, he said

549
00:33:43,240 –> 00:33:46,600
Francis became irate and accused
him of calling him a liar.

550
00:33:46,680 –> 00:33:50,640
To which Schnauss replied, I am
calling you a liar.

551
00:33:51,320 –> 00:33:53,720
Yes, your assessment was
correct.

552
00:33:55,000 –> 00:33:59,160
But then if you dig into this
guy’s story after that, he ends

553
00:33:59,160 –> 00:34:03,320
up basically resigning and the
Navy is like, hey, leave that

554
00:34:03,320 –> 00:34:06,000
guy alone.
He he does all the fuck parties.

555
00:34:06,880 –> 00:34:08,199
Yeah, come on man, Don’t you
want to?

556
00:34:08,239 –> 00:34:09,960
Don’t you want to go to the fuck
party?

557
00:34:10,120 –> 00:34:12,159
Yeah, you’re going to.
You’re going to take down

558
00:34:12,520 –> 00:34:15,760
captain of the S, Sir Lancelot.
No, thank you.

559
00:34:18,000 –> 00:34:19,120
It would be our miss.
Right.

560
00:34:19,159 –> 00:34:22,920
Yeah, true.
So he eventually was told to

561
00:34:22,920 –> 00:34:24,800
back off.
That bill was paid in full.

562
00:34:24,960 –> 00:34:29,840
He recalled another incident
when the USS Abraham Lincoln and

563
00:34:29,840 –> 00:34:34,040
three other warships arrived in
Hong Kong and Francis threw this

564
00:34:34,040 –> 00:34:38,560
huge party, complete with
prostitutes dressed as Santa’s

565
00:34:38,600 –> 00:34:42,120
little helpers for all of the
visiting officers.

566
00:34:42,400 –> 00:34:44,960
Nice touch.
The next morning he showed up

567
00:34:45,560 –> 00:34:51,400
with a $600,000 sewage removal
invoice expecting to be paid

568
00:34:51,480 –> 00:34:54,800
immediately, and the guy he
brought it to was like, oh, so

569
00:34:54,800 –> 00:34:57,120
we’re just paying for that party
you threw last night, huh?

570
00:34:57,640 –> 00:35:01,280
And once again, the Navy was
like, shut up, pay his bill,

571
00:35:02,040 –> 00:35:04,160
paid his bill.
It’s insane.

572
00:35:04,280 –> 00:35:06,920
It seems like it’s the sewage
removal is where he was.

573
00:35:06,920 –> 00:35:09,720
Getting them, yeah.
I mean, hey, good for him.

574
00:35:10,160 –> 00:35:13,720
I mean, I want to know.
I need to know before I be I

575
00:35:13,720 –> 00:35:16,760
don’t want to be too effusive
about this guy.

576
00:35:17,160 –> 00:35:21,040
I need to know, is he a pimp?
Is that how he has?

577
00:35:21,080 –> 00:35:24,480
I just don’t.
It feels too much like human

578
00:35:24,480 –> 00:35:27,240
trafficking for me to love it
too much.

579
00:35:27,440 –> 00:35:32,400
See, that’s the thing, like when
people talk about MK Ultra when

580
00:35:32,400 –> 00:35:36,120
it was really at its peak in the
60s, one of the things people

581
00:35:36,120 –> 00:35:39,400
just casually mention is, oh,
the CIA ran a brothel in San

582
00:35:39,400 –> 00:35:41,720
Francisco.
And it’s like, where did the

583
00:35:41,720 –> 00:35:45,600
girls come from, right?
You can’t just be like, oh, the

584
00:35:45,600 –> 00:35:48,480
CIA ran a brothel.
It’s like, do you know what that

585
00:35:48,480 –> 00:35:52,120
implies?
That implies the CIA was sex

586
00:35:52,120 –> 00:35:55,080
trafficking women.
And like, yeah, this guy,

587
00:35:55,080 –> 00:35:58,280
they’re like, like the articles
are just like, oh, he, he was

588
00:35:58,280 –> 00:36:01,040
very selective about the
prostitutes he worked with.

589
00:36:01,200 –> 00:36:04,120
And it’s like, how did he find
them?

590
00:36:04,440 –> 00:36:07,000
Like that.
Yeah, this really is one of

591
00:36:07,000 –> 00:36:09,600
those stories where there’s a
lot of holes that still need to

592
00:36:09,600 –> 00:36:12,440
be filled.
I mean, yeah, seems like a lot

593
00:36:12,440 –> 00:36:19,800
of holes got filled, just not
the kind we need to provide

594
00:36:20,400 –> 00:36:23,960
adequate information.
About still some gaps in logic.

595
00:36:25,120 –> 00:36:27,200
Some gaps got filled though.
Yeah.

596
00:36:27,440 –> 00:36:29,400
If you know what I.
Mean like they left some real

597
00:36:29,400 –> 00:36:33,680
gapers I had to feel.
Gross.

598
00:36:34,840 –> 00:36:38,600
Yeah.
So as we mentioned earlier, this

599
00:36:38,600 –> 00:36:44,200
guy managed to plant moles at
all sorts of levels within the

600
00:36:44,200 –> 00:36:46,280
Navy.
He’s like Whitey Bulger in the

601
00:36:46,280 –> 00:36:49,080
Departed.
He’s got cops working.

602
00:36:49,400 –> 00:36:53,840
Yeah, on his behalf.
If you’re running a scheme like

603
00:36:53,840 –> 00:36:57,600
this, that just makes sense.
Yeah, I feel like this guy

604
00:36:57,600 –> 00:36:59,320
couldn’t have been operating
alone.

605
00:36:59,480 –> 00:37:04,480
There had to be some sort of
other involvement behind this.

606
00:37:04,480 –> 00:37:08,760
But one of the people that he
got kind of installed in the

607
00:37:08,760 –> 00:37:13,320
Navy on his behalf was a woman
named Sharon Gershuran Kaur, a

608
00:37:13,400 –> 00:37:17,560
Singapore national who worked
for the Navy Starting in 2006.

609
00:37:17,560 –> 00:37:20,880
She would leak confidential
contract information to Francis

610
00:37:21,000 –> 00:37:26,800
in exchange for $100,000 cash
and luxury vacations in Bali and

611
00:37:26,800 –> 00:37:29,760
Dubai.
And it seems like 100,000 cash

612
00:37:29,760 –> 00:37:32,040
isn’t enough.
But also like she’s living in

613
00:37:32,040 –> 00:37:34,360
Singapore.
I bet that goes a whole lot

614
00:37:34,360 –> 00:37:36,200
further there than it does in
LA.

615
00:37:36,280 –> 00:37:42,600
Yeah, and like luxury vacations
in Dubai, that can’t be just

616
00:37:42,600 –> 00:37:46,400
100,000 bucks.
Yeah, I wonder what kind of sex

617
00:37:46,400 –> 00:37:49,680
workers she got.
Probably some hot Arab guy.

618
00:37:49,680 –> 00:37:52,000
Good for her.
Hell yeah.

619
00:37:52,000 –> 00:37:54,840
I mean, or whatever.
It’s bad because of human

620
00:37:54,840 –> 00:37:57,800
trafficking but like.
Human trafficking.

621
00:37:57,800 –> 00:38:00,360
Trying to have fun here.
Folks, come on.

622
00:38:00,360 –> 00:38:03,200
No.
So there was another mole, a guy

623
00:38:03,200 –> 00:38:07,080
named Paul Simkins.
He worked for the US Navy in

624
00:38:07,080 –> 00:38:10,600
Singapore as a contract
supervisor, and he was paid

625
00:38:10,600 –> 00:38:16,640
$450,000 to rig Navy contracts
on Fat Leonard’s behalf.

626
00:38:16,800 –> 00:38:20,800
He also ordered the Navy’s Hong
Kong office to stop using flow

627
00:38:20,800 –> 00:38:24,960
meters to measure the amount of
sewage that Glenn Defense pumped

628
00:38:24,960 –> 00:38:29,400
from ships, which made it easier
for Francis to gouge the Navy

629
00:38:29,480 –> 00:38:32,920
for that service.
Of course, It really does seem

630
00:38:32,920 –> 00:38:35,880
like that’s where he was hiding.
It was in the main, the sewage

631
00:38:35,880 –> 00:38:37,680
pumping, no?
One wants to get down in the

632
00:38:37,680 –> 00:38:39,240
shit.
It’s not his fault they’re

633
00:38:39,520 –> 00:38:45,040
fucking pooping so much.
Yeah, yeah, the Navy looks at

634
00:38:45,040 –> 00:38:48,360
the bill and it’s like, yeah, I
guess that’s the amount of shit

635
00:38:48,360 –> 00:38:50,920
we have in here.
Maybe that was the scheme.

636
00:38:50,920 –> 00:38:55,600
It’s just the food he was giving
them made them shit a bunch and

637
00:38:55,600 –> 00:38:58,160
he got the bill a bunch for
removing all that shit.

638
00:38:58,600 –> 00:39:02,160
Right?
So this Paul Simpkins guy who

639
00:39:02,200 –> 00:39:05,920
ends up as one of his moles.
There are court records that

640
00:39:05,920 –> 00:39:11,120
have come out that include Paul
Simpkins text messages to Fat

641
00:39:11,120 –> 00:39:15,880
Leonard, and they’re a little
damning if I’m being completely

642
00:39:15,880 –> 00:39:18,120
honest.
Slightly, yeah.

643
00:39:18,400 –> 00:39:22,360
Like the one that says, can you
set up some clean disease free

644
00:39:22,360 –> 00:39:25,440
women when I am there?
What if he wrote back and was

645
00:39:25,440 –> 00:39:27,080
like disease free?
No.

646
00:39:28,240 –> 00:39:30,080
And then Paul’s like, OK, that’s
fine.

647
00:39:30,320 –> 00:39:34,120
As long as they’re clean as.
Long as they shower.

648
00:39:36,240 –> 00:39:38,000
Yeah.
I mean, I guess there’s some

649
00:39:38,000 –> 00:39:42,120
wiggle room there.
You can say he wasn’t

650
00:39:42,320 –> 00:39:45,400
technically talking about sex
workers.

651
00:39:46,440 –> 00:39:48,760
Well, then he followed up a few
days later.

652
00:39:49,320 –> 00:39:51,600
What’s the plan?
To meet up and maybe do some

653
00:39:51,600 –> 00:39:54,920
honeys like, my God, Paul, what
year is it?

654
00:39:55,000 –> 00:39:58,880
Whatever year it was, no one
said it that way, ever.

655
00:39:59,400 –> 00:40:02,440
What do some honeys?
Do some honeys.

656
00:40:04,120 –> 00:40:08,040
I love to do honeys.
My God, Paul.

657
00:40:08,160 –> 00:40:11,320
This is gross.
But it really does seem like the

658
00:40:11,320 –> 00:40:14,360
Seventh Fleet was his biggest
accomplishment.

659
00:40:14,480 –> 00:40:18,040
And they’re supposed to be like
the most prestigious of all the

660
00:40:18,040 –> 00:40:19,840
Navy fleets.
Right.

661
00:40:19,840 –> 00:40:21,640
Yeah.
They’re the ones that protect

662
00:40:21,640 –> 00:40:26,280
our most sensitive waters.
They have had a rash of

663
00:40:26,280 –> 00:40:30,440
unexplained accidents over the
past few years that they swear

664
00:40:30,440 –> 00:40:35,360
are not the result of Russia and
China being able to jam their

665
00:40:35,360 –> 00:40:38,800
outdated navigation systems, and
they also.

666
00:40:38,880 –> 00:40:42,800
For some reason it seems like a
bunch of people know all of our

667
00:40:42,800 –> 00:40:47,120
classified shipping routes.
Yeah, it’s crazy.

668
00:40:47,520 –> 00:40:50,400
Yeah.
Think about if this problem is

669
00:40:50,400 –> 00:40:55,400
this bad, if just some fuck face
who owns a shipping company is

670
00:40:55,400 –> 00:41:00,000
able to get in with the 7th
Fleet and over the course of 25

671
00:41:00,000 –> 00:41:03,520
years they say the amount he
built from them is 35,000,000.

672
00:41:03,880 –> 00:41:06,280
It’s got to be so much more than
that.

673
00:41:07,000 –> 00:41:12,960
Yeah, that if he’s charging 600
thou per toilet flush, it can’t

674
00:41:12,960 –> 00:41:15,880
be in the millions.
It’s got to be more than that.

675
00:41:16,200 –> 00:41:21,760
And yeah, they’re supposed to be
the top level of Navy excellence

676
00:41:21,960 –> 00:41:24,640
and they’re falling prey to Fat
Leonard.

677
00:41:24,640 –> 00:41:27,920
Like how many other Fat Leonards
are out there using the

678
00:41:27,920 –> 00:41:32,840
information they’re getting for
other reasons besides just

679
00:41:32,960 –> 00:41:36,640
making money dumping shit into
the Indian Ocean or whatever the

680
00:41:36,640 –> 00:41:39,080
fuck he was doing?
I mean, that sounds right.

681
00:41:40,320 –> 00:41:44,680
So far, just from the 7th Fleet,
four officers and an enlisted

682
00:41:44,680 –> 00:41:48,600
sailor who worked there have
pleaded guilty to taking bribes

683
00:41:48,600 –> 00:41:52,400
from Francis so far and court
records.

684
00:41:52,400 –> 00:41:55,640
Again, I feel like this speaks
to maybe him not doing this on

685
00:41:55,640 –> 00:41:57,720
his own.
They show he would groom his

686
00:41:57,720 –> 00:42:01,480
targets like a spy would.
He would look for people with

687
00:42:01,480 –> 00:42:05,720
money problems or marital
problems, alcohol addiction,

688
00:42:05,720 –> 00:42:09,440
loneliness.
It says lust at one point, and

689
00:42:09,440 –> 00:42:12,440
it’s like, who’s going out?
I mean, if he’s got the money,

690
00:42:12,440 –> 00:42:15,640
I’m sure he could hire his own
private firm to go out and do

691
00:42:15,640 –> 00:42:16,760
that research.
But.

692
00:42:17,000 –> 00:42:20,320
Sure.
This is like espionage crazy.

693
00:42:20,320 –> 00:42:25,920
It very much is.
And he also not only, like, sex

694
00:42:25,920 –> 00:42:30,000
was his most effective bribery
tool, but he would also powwow

695
00:42:30,000 –> 00:42:35,160
with those sex workers after and
get information on the various

696
00:42:35,160 –> 00:42:40,600
Navy officials, like sexual
leanings and, yeah, you know,

697
00:42:40,760 –> 00:42:45,160
just like, use that in whatever
way he could later on.

698
00:42:45,160 –> 00:42:51,640
Look, if you’re bribing the Navy
with sex, you need to know what

699
00:42:51,640 –> 00:42:55,280
kind of sex the Navy wants.
Exactly.

700
00:42:55,760 –> 00:42:58,320
It’s just good customer service,
honestly.

701
00:42:58,360 –> 00:43:00,680
Yeah.
It’s like when websites track

702
00:43:00,680 –> 00:43:02,640
your data.
It’s just to feed you better

703
00:43:02,640 –> 00:43:03,800
ads.
That’s all.

704
00:43:03,800 –> 00:43:05,200
Exactly.
That’s all.

705
00:43:05,200 –> 00:43:07,120
I’m not going to misuse it,
baby.

706
00:43:07,440 –> 00:43:09,920
Don’t worry.
There’s no human trafficking

707
00:43:09,920 –> 00:43:11,920
involved at all.
No, never.

708
00:43:12,160 –> 00:43:15,120
Not ever in anything.
I don’t think human trafficking.

709
00:43:15,160 –> 00:43:16,720
Is fake.
Yeah, yeah.

710
00:43:17,120 –> 00:43:18,760
I think that’s.
Our next episode, Yeah.

711
00:43:18,880 –> 00:43:23,080
Coming next on Conspiracy, the
show the human trafficking myth.

712
00:43:23,880 –> 00:43:27,800
It’s actually aliens.
Oh, that makes sense.

713
00:43:28,080 –> 00:43:31,240
Right.
So yeah, one of the ways he was

714
00:43:31,240 –> 00:43:36,040
able to go for so long without
getting caught and the still, I

715
00:43:36,040 –> 00:43:38,720
feel like they’re not giving us
all the information here.

716
00:43:38,720 –> 00:43:42,040
He was able to flip a law
enforcement official, a guy who

717
00:43:42,040 –> 00:43:46,880
worked in NCIS right alongside
Mark Harmon and.

718
00:43:47,640 –> 00:43:49,960
There’s A and that’s the.
You know, it’s tough to track

719
00:43:49,960 –> 00:43:53,000
that guy down because there’s so
many branches of these, so.

720
00:43:53,000 –> 00:43:56,160
Many NCIS franchises, yeah.
Right.

721
00:43:56,160 –> 00:43:59,040
Is he in Los Angeles?
Is he in New Orleans?

722
00:43:59,040 –> 00:44:01,440
I don’t know.
Yeah, I like that Mark Harmon’s

723
00:44:01,440 –> 00:44:04,760
character on that.
His name is like Jethro Leroy

724
00:44:04,760 –> 00:44:06,400
Gibbs or something.
It’s like.

725
00:44:06,400 –> 00:44:08,520
Really.
Come on, what are you, a fucking

726
00:44:08,600 –> 00:44:10,760
Delta Blues musician?
Stop.

727
00:44:10,760 –> 00:44:16,400
It you know, I’ve never watched
any episode of any NCIS series.

728
00:44:16,400 –> 00:44:19,640
I have yet to see a single NCIS
episode as well.

729
00:44:19,720 –> 00:44:22,920
I used to watch Jag.
Does Jag get involved in this?

730
00:44:23,840 –> 00:44:26,640
Probably feels like this is.
Yeah, this feels like Jag

731
00:44:26,640 –> 00:44:29,960
territory, doesn’t it?
Yeah, a little Judge Advocate

732
00:44:29,960 –> 00:44:32,560
General action.
Is that what what that meant?

733
00:44:32,760 –> 00:44:38,240
I have no idea.
I never knew what it meant.

734
00:44:38,240 –> 00:44:43,520
I just knew that they wore hats,
suits and stuff and they

735
00:44:43,840 –> 00:44:47,000
arrested naval officers and
shit.

736
00:44:47,000 –> 00:44:50,840
That’s all I remember about Jag.
This reminds me of that time

737
00:44:51,040 –> 00:44:54,760
comedian Harlan Williams was Co
hosting some late night talk

738
00:44:54,760 –> 00:44:59,720
show and the guest was from the
TV show ER and just completely

739
00:44:59,720 –> 00:45:03,560
joking his first question.
He goes right off the bat.

740
00:45:03,560 –> 00:45:07,360
ER, what’s it stand for?
And she didn’t fucking know.

741
00:45:07,840 –> 00:45:14,720
Oh no.
One of the most awkward things

742
00:45:14,720 –> 00:45:17,520
I’ve ever seen.
He had to be like emergency

743
00:45:17,520 –> 00:45:19,600
room.
It means emergency room where

744
00:45:19,600 –> 00:45:22,080
the show takes place.
Good times.

745
00:45:22,120 –> 00:45:25,080
That’s I mean that ones really
common.

746
00:45:26,360 –> 00:45:28,440
It’s pretty bad.
Yeah, it’s pretty bad.

747
00:45:28,440 –> 00:45:31,840
Jag Yeah, I looked it up.
Judge Advocate General.

748
00:45:31,840 –> 00:45:33,440
Yeah, I don’t know how I knew
that.

749
00:45:33,640 –> 00:45:36,520
I think I probably looked it up
at some point when that show was

750
00:45:36,520 –> 00:45:37,160
on the air.
Yeah.

751
00:45:37,760 –> 00:45:41,600
Wow, that’s wild.
And this guy he flipped with an

752
00:45:41,600 –> 00:45:43,840
NCIS, His name was John
Belliveau.

753
00:45:43,840 –> 00:45:47,480
The second he was based in
Singapore and later at Quantico.

754
00:45:47,560 –> 00:45:51,960
And in exchange for prostitutes
and cash and other favors, he

755
00:45:51,960 –> 00:45:57,400
would tap into an NCIS database
to let Francis know, know what

756
00:45:57,400 –> 00:46:01,840
kind of of information they had
on him and how any

757
00:46:02,320 –> 00:46:05,760
investigations into his
activities were progressing.

758
00:46:05,840 –> 00:46:10,120
And this is where there’s
another big leap where they say,

759
00:46:10,440 –> 00:46:15,680
well, once they realized he had
infiltrated NCIS, that’s when

760
00:46:16,120 –> 00:46:18,160
they decided it was time to take
him down.

761
00:46:18,400 –> 00:46:21,520
It’s like, what do you mean?
What would you like if everyone

762
00:46:21,520 –> 00:46:25,680
else had a vested interest in
him keeping this going?

763
00:46:25,680 –> 00:46:29,160
Like, why would him infiltrating
the NCIS be a problem?

764
00:46:29,200 –> 00:46:33,560
There’s something they’re not
telling us about this guy

765
00:46:33,560 –> 00:46:36,640
because it’s it feels like
almost like a Saddam Hussein

766
00:46:36,640 –> 00:46:39,440
kind of thing, where it’s like,
OK, you’re our friend.

767
00:46:39,440 –> 00:46:40,840
You’re our friend.
You’re our friend, you’re our

768
00:46:40,840 –> 00:46:41,960
friend.
All right, now you’re not our

769
00:46:41,960 –> 00:46:45,040
friend like that, right?
There are so many people on the

770
00:46:45,040 –> 00:46:47,720
world stage who have fallen
victim to that.

771
00:46:48,040 –> 00:46:52,480
Fucking Manuel Noriega was for
the longest time a very good

772
00:46:52,480 –> 00:46:56,160
friend of the United States.
And then he said the wrong thing

773
00:46:56,160 –> 00:47:00,520
one time and we were like, all
right, no more, we are coming

774
00:47:00,520 –> 00:47:03,680
after you.
I feel like this guy had to have

775
00:47:03,680 –> 00:47:06,360
done something.
Yeah, or maybe they.

776
00:47:06,360 –> 00:47:08,680
Did find.
Out he was working with Russia.

777
00:47:08,760 –> 00:47:13,760
Maybe that would make sense.
There are definitely a lot of

778
00:47:13,920 –> 00:47:18,960
real large pieces of the story
that are still underexplained.

779
00:47:19,080 –> 00:47:23,440
Yeah, They, what they end up
doing is they plant fake

780
00:47:23,440 –> 00:47:28,440
information within NCIS that
says all investigations into

781
00:47:28,440 –> 00:47:32,120
this guy have ended.
And then that information gets

782
00:47:32,120 –> 00:47:33,960
back to him.
And then it just says that they

783
00:47:33,960 –> 00:47:37,600
set up another meeting with him
in San Diego where he, like,

784
00:47:37,760 –> 00:47:40,680
agreed to go along with some
corruption.

785
00:47:40,800 –> 00:47:42,840
It’s like that seems too easy.
There’s.

786
00:47:42,840 –> 00:47:46,320
Yeah, there’s.
I feel like there’s a detail

787
00:47:46,320 –> 00:47:48,360
missing.
There’s definitely details

788
00:47:48,360 –> 00:47:55,280
missing, and I would say like
personally, if I were scamming

789
00:47:55,400 –> 00:48:00,600
the United States military over
the course of multiple decades,

790
00:48:00,960 –> 00:48:03,320
I would never go to the United
States.

791
00:48:03,840 –> 00:48:04,880
Ever.
No.

792
00:48:05,000 –> 00:48:09,200
That seems like a trap.
Yeah, and the fact that the

793
00:48:09,200 –> 00:48:13,280
first place he goes when he,
because what we haven’t

794
00:48:13,280 –> 00:48:16,960
mentioned, he ends up getting
arrested, that’s after he agrees

795
00:48:16,960 –> 00:48:19,760
to this meeting in San Diego.
And yeah, the going back to the

796
00:48:19,880 –> 00:48:23,400
US is a weird choice and he ends
up getting arrested.

797
00:48:23,400 –> 00:48:27,960
But then apparently where he was
being held there was very LAX

798
00:48:27,960 –> 00:48:29,760
security, so.
No kidding.

799
00:48:30,120 –> 00:48:33,400
Well, actually, when I say that,
what I mean is the home where he

800
00:48:33,400 –> 00:48:38,320
was under house arrest in San
Diego had very LAX security,

801
00:48:38,320 –> 00:48:42,280
which again, this guy’s got some
fucking connections if he’s only

802
00:48:42,280 –> 00:48:45,320
getting house arrest over this.
Yeah, I think that’s fair to

803
00:48:45,320 –> 00:48:48,240
say.
He was wearing an ankle monitor

804
00:48:48,320 –> 00:48:51,640
and he cut it off.
And apparently that happened at

805
00:48:51,680 –> 00:48:54,400
8:00 in the morning.
And the news of that happening

806
00:48:54,400 –> 00:48:58,080
didn’t reach the law enforcement
people who needed to know about

807
00:48:58,080 –> 00:49:00,760
it until 2.
And he’s like already in San

808
00:49:00,760 –> 00:49:03,120
Diego, which is basically
Mexico.

809
00:49:03,240 –> 00:49:08,400
So he was able to get to Mexico,
but he was finally caught in

810
00:49:08,400 –> 00:49:12,280
Venezuela.
And the fact that Venezuela

811
00:49:12,480 –> 00:49:16,640
turned him over to the US, It’s
not like we’ve gotten along

812
00:49:16,640 –> 00:49:19,720
swimmingly over the past few
years, no.

813
00:49:19,960 –> 00:49:23,240
And I did see it mentioned in a
headline that was unfortunately

814
00:49:23,240 –> 00:49:26,840
behind a paywall that I wasn’t
willing to stomach the charge

815
00:49:26,840 –> 00:49:29,760
for.
That he might end up kind of

816
00:49:29,760 –> 00:49:34,640
being a tool in diplomatic
relations between Venezuela and

817
00:49:34,640 –> 00:49:35,480
the.
US.

818
00:49:36,320 –> 00:49:41,080
Which I think would still speak
to maybe him having done this on

819
00:49:41,080 –> 00:49:44,280
behalf of a foreign government
maybe.

820
00:49:44,280 –> 00:49:47,240
Maybe, yeah.
Because it did come out that.

821
00:49:47,240 –> 00:49:50,520
When he fled, he was trying to
get to Russia.

822
00:49:50,800 –> 00:49:53,640
Right.
And Russia and Venezuela have

823
00:49:53,640 –> 00:49:56,400
had pretty cool relations
recently.

824
00:49:56,400 –> 00:49:59,520
I think cool relations in
political terms means bad.

825
00:50:00,400 –> 00:50:03,560
They’ve had good relations in
recent years.

826
00:50:03,920 –> 00:50:06,600
And I feel like he thought he
was going to get to Venezuela

827
00:50:06,600 –> 00:50:09,720
and be like, hey, I’ve been
spying for Russia.

828
00:50:09,720 –> 00:50:13,880
I need you to get me to Russia.
And they were like, oh, really?

829
00:50:14,000 –> 00:50:17,760
And now they have him, and they
can kind of get whatever they

830
00:50:17,760 –> 00:50:20,640
want out of the US in return.
Because it would be super

831
00:50:20,640 –> 00:50:25,280
embarrassing if it came out that
this guy was also a Russian spy.

832
00:50:25,640 –> 00:50:27,680
Right.
Yeah, I feel like if he was, we

833
00:50:27,680 –> 00:50:30,160
probably won’t, no.
No.

834
00:50:30,360 –> 00:50:33,320
I mean, unless it’s an accident,
but yeah, but.

835
00:50:33,640 –> 00:50:37,920
Sleep Safe America Fat Leonard
is back in custody.

836
00:50:38,040 –> 00:50:42,960
Thank God and I was worried.
The sex worker industry in

837
00:50:42,960 –> 00:50:47,520
Thailand and the Philippines is
hurting right now.

838
00:50:47,520 –> 00:50:50,480
Oh yeah, I’m sure.
He was like half the business,

839
00:50:50,480 –> 00:50:53,440
yeah.
He has pulled the foundation out

840
00:50:53,440 –> 00:50:56,680
from under that industry.
It’s like when he’s only fans

841
00:50:56,680 –> 00:50:59,480
tried to ban porn.
Oh my God, Yeah, there was an

842
00:50:59,480 –> 00:51:01,880
uprising.
Yeah, this is going to start a

843
00:51:01,880 –> 00:51:05,480
war between US and Thailand and
the Philippines.

844
00:51:05,760 –> 00:51:09,440
Yeah, free fat lanyard.
I mean, don’t.

845
00:51:09,480 –> 00:51:11,800
I don’t care.
I don’t care.

846
00:51:11,800 –> 00:51:13,480
I don’t know.
I don’t know enough about.

847
00:51:13,480 –> 00:51:16,840
There’s so many weird things
where I’m like, again, I don’t

848
00:51:16,840 –> 00:51:20,840
know where these women never
detailed.

849
00:51:21,120 –> 00:51:22,920
I need to know what kind of help
he was getting.

850
00:51:22,920 –> 00:51:25,800
I need to know where the women
came from, right?

851
00:51:26,080 –> 00:51:30,160
Because yeah, like, you hear,
you hear some horror stories

852
00:51:30,320 –> 00:51:35,200
like you, you hear about fucking
human trafficking at like nail

853
00:51:35,200 –> 00:51:37,800
salons and shit.
If you look into there are

854
00:51:37,800 –> 00:51:42,000
certain visa programs that are
All in all a good thing, but

855
00:51:42,000 –> 00:51:46,600
just so rife with abuse and
people getting, I mean human

856
00:51:46,600 –> 00:51:51,640
trafficked into working fucking
20 hours a day at a McDonald’s

857
00:51:51,640 –> 00:51:56,200
franchise in New Jersey.
Like I heard about, I’ve heard a

858
00:51:56,200 –> 00:51:59,280
theory about like kids who are
getting trafficked through a

859
00:51:59,280 –> 00:52:01,760
pizza place.
Like it’s a.

860
00:52:02,400 –> 00:52:06,000
Oh yeah, the one in the one in
DC with the torture basement.

861
00:52:06,240 –> 00:52:11,280
Right, exactly.
So, yeah, Fat Leonard is back in

862
00:52:11,280 –> 00:52:16,960
custody and I am fascinated to
find out what kind of additional

863
00:52:16,960 –> 00:52:21,480
details are going to come out
about this story because, oh,

864
00:52:21,480 –> 00:52:24,240
man, there’s I feel there’s got
to be more to it.

865
00:52:24,240 –> 00:52:27,560
There’s he had.
I feel like he did something to

866
00:52:27,560 –> 00:52:31,280
get caught or to, like, fall out
of favor with the people

867
00:52:31,280 –> 00:52:34,120
protecting him.
And yeah, I need to know where

868
00:52:34,120 –> 00:52:38,680
the girls came from before I get
to, oh, this is a victimless

869
00:52:38,760 –> 00:52:42,840
crime about it, right?
I do need to know how we had

870
00:52:42,840 –> 00:52:47,400
access to all those women and
what department of the CIA

871
00:52:47,400 –> 00:52:50,320
provided them.
So maybe we’ll do a follow up

872
00:52:50,320 –> 00:52:53,080
when we find out all that.
But until then, I think that’s

873
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our episode.
Hey everybody, you know what

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00:53:03,280 –> 00:53:06,360
that sound means?
We got some updates.

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00:53:06,520 –> 00:53:10,800
The first time we covered this,
we mostly focused on the details

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00:53:10,800 –> 00:53:14,720
of the scandal and Fat Leonard’s
escape and his subsequent

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capture.
What we didn’t talk about is the

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00:53:17,480 –> 00:53:22,200
various trials of the Navy
intelligence officers who were

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the beneficiaries of the bribe
money that Fat Leonard was

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00:53:26,480 –> 00:53:29,520
thrown around.
Those trials, and the way

881
00:53:29,520 –> 00:53:34,320
prosecutors handled them, ended
up being as bad of a look for

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00:53:34,320 –> 00:53:37,480
the federal government as the
scandal itself was.

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00:53:37,760 –> 00:53:42,200
In September 2023, four
defendants who were previously

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00:53:42,200 –> 00:53:47,040
convicted by a federal jury on
various felony counts, Captains

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00:53:47,040 –> 00:53:51,520
David Newland, James Dolan, and
David Lossman, and Commander

886
00:53:51,520 –> 00:53:56,040
Mario Herrera, all had their
felony convictions vacated by

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00:53:56,200 –> 00:53:57,920
U.S.
District Judge Janice

888
00:53:57,960 –> 00:54:03,200
Sammartino, who then agreed to
let the four defendants plead

889
00:54:03,200 –> 00:54:08,040
guilty to misdemeanors and pay
$100 fine each.

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00:54:08,120 –> 00:54:10,440
Though they had to pay $100
each.

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00:54:10,880 –> 00:54:12,400
They’re not getting off that
easy.

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00:54:12,560 –> 00:54:15,440
Interesting note about these
four.

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00:54:15,560 –> 00:54:19,840
At the time this happened, they
were the only of the more than

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00:54:19,840 –> 00:54:23,760
two dozen defendants who had
actually even went to trial.

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00:54:23,920 –> 00:54:28,120
And the craziest part of this
trial didn’t even involve the

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00:54:28,120 –> 00:54:32,560
defendants or the scandal.
After defense lawyers raised

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00:54:32,560 –> 00:54:37,240
questions about prosecutor
tactics, Judge Sammartino, with

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00:54:37,240 –> 00:54:42,280
her wrestling ass name, held a
three day hearing away from the

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00:54:42,280 –> 00:54:46,160
jury where two of the
prosecutors had to take the

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00:54:46,160 –> 00:54:48,160
stand.
That was so they could be

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00:54:48,160 –> 00:54:52,920
questioned about allegations
that they withheld evidence from

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00:54:52,920 –> 00:54:57,080
a sex worker who the government
accused one of the defendants of

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00:54:57,080 –> 00:55:01,280
sleeping with as part of the
benefits he got from Fat

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00:55:01,480 –> 00:55:04,640
Leonard.
When the prosecution reached out

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00:55:04,920 –> 00:55:10,320
to ask her to fly to the US to
testify 14 years after the

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00:55:10,320 –> 00:55:14,520
incident in question is alleged
to have happened, she declined

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00:55:14,760 –> 00:55:19,560
and in a text message later told
them she never had sex with the

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00:55:19,560 –> 00:55:22,080
defendant in question.
She said she did.

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00:55:22,080 –> 00:55:25,600
Go to his hotel.
Room on that night, but she just

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00:55:25,640 –> 00:55:28,160
partied and then fell asleep on
the couch.

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00:55:28,320 –> 00:55:32,800
When the federal agents, she
told this to, reached out to

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00:55:32,800 –> 00:55:36,280
lead prosecutor Mark Pletcher
about how they should write this

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00:55:36,280 –> 00:55:40,800
up for reporting purposes to,
you know, give it to the defense

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00:55:41,040 –> 00:55:45,720
as the law demands, he just kind
of brushed them off and never

915
00:55:45,720 –> 00:55:49,960
got around to answering them
until that same defendant’s

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00:55:49,960 –> 00:55:53,840
lawyer filed a motion claiming
the government was withholding

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00:55:53,840 –> 00:55:56,680
evidence.
That’s when agents finally filed

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00:55:56,800 –> 00:55:59,640
that report.
The judge concluded that

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00:55:59,640 –> 00:56:04,560
Pletcher’s, quote, failure to
disclose the contact amounted to

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00:56:04,560 –> 00:56:07,600
flagrant misconduct.
End Quote.

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But it was also determined that
that misconduct was not severe

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enough to throw out the case.
But once you’re changing the

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00:56:17,280 –> 00:56:20,960
conviction into $100 fines and
no prison time.

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00:56:21,280 –> 00:56:23,400
You might as well have.
Thrown out the case, you know.

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00:56:23,600 –> 00:56:27,120
It was also.
Revealed at one point that when

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00:56:27,120 –> 00:56:30,680
Fat Leonard started working with
prosecutors, he was allowed to

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00:56:30,680 –> 00:56:36,000
pick and choose what evidence
should be handed over to or

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00:56:36,000 –> 00:56:41,600
withheld from the defense.
And that probably explains why a

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few months after those four
previous defendants had their

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00:56:46,240 –> 00:56:52,200
cases dismissed in May 2024,
five other former naval officers

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00:56:52,440 –> 00:56:57,120
had their convictions dismissed,
Officers Donald Hornbeck, Robert

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00:56:57,120 –> 00:57:03,160
Gorsuch, Stephen Shedd and Jose
Luis Sanchez and Colonel Enrico

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00:57:03,280 –> 00:57:06,400
de Guzman.
Officer Jose Luis Sanchez

934
00:57:06,720 –> 00:57:10,120
provided another odd twist in
this trial.

935
00:57:10,240 –> 00:57:13,840
Shortly before he was supposed
to testify on behalf of the

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00:57:13,840 –> 00:57:18,400
government, the defense learned
that the feds had found child

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00:57:18,400 –> 00:57:22,480
porn on Sanchez’s computer.
The government prosecutors

938
00:57:22,480 –> 00:57:26,800
decided to not have him testify
once they realized the defense

939
00:57:26,800 –> 00:57:31,080
knew about the porn.
And I’m sorry, does being caught

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00:57:31,080 –> 00:57:34,480
with child porn make a person
less credible somehow?

941
00:57:34,480 –> 00:57:37,200
It sure does.
It sure does.

942
00:57:37,400 –> 00:57:43,720
So for that, and apparently lots
and lots of other prosecutorial

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00:57:43,720 –> 00:57:47,920
malfeasance, most of the
defendants in this case will

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00:57:47,920 –> 00:57:51,800
face little to no actual
consequences.

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00:57:52,000 –> 00:57:56,320
I’m sure that definitely was not
the plan when the government

946
00:57:56,320 –> 00:58:00,400
decided to prosecute this case.
That makes the government look

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00:58:00,400 –> 00:58:04,480
like a bunch of ham fisted
buffoons who will sell state

948
00:58:04,480 –> 00:58:10,040
secrets for a suckling pig and a
sneaky beach, which hopefully

949
00:58:10,120 –> 00:58:13,760
those are two separate gifts.
By the way, you know who’s not

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00:58:13,960 –> 00:58:18,760
going to escape prison time?
Fat Leonard himself, Leonard

951
00:58:18,920 –> 00:58:23,840
Glenn Francis.
Just last week, he was finally

952
00:58:23,840 –> 00:58:29,640
sentenced to 164 months for
bribery and fraud, and another

953
00:58:29,640 –> 00:58:34,720
16 months for failing to appear
in court, which, as someone who

954
00:58:34,720 –> 00:58:39,800
has failed to appear in court
before, 16 months in prison,

955
00:58:39,800 –> 00:58:44,640
feels like a stiff penalty.
But at the same time, when I

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00:58:44,640 –> 00:58:48,120
missed that court date, it
wasn’t because I’d escaped

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00:58:48,120 –> 00:58:52,240
prison and fled to Venezuela
like Fat Leonard did.

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00:58:52,440 –> 00:58:57,480
Also, the mathletes listening to
this would love for you to know

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00:58:57,920 –> 00:59:03,760
that 164 months plus 16 months
amounts to 15 years in prison,

960
00:59:03,920 –> 00:59:07,360
and given the time he’s already
served, he’s got about 8 years

961
00:59:07,360 –> 00:59:09,920
left.
He was also ordered to pay $20

962
00:59:09,920 –> 00:59:14,680
million in restitution to the
Navy, who totally needs the cash

963
00:59:14,880 –> 00:59:19,680
and $150,000 fine to your mom.
I don’t know.

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00:59:20,040 –> 00:59:24,280
He also has to forfeit $35
million in quote.

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00:59:24,480 –> 00:59:27,200
I’ll gotten proceeds from his
crimes.

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00:59:27,440 –> 00:59:30,000
End Quote.
I have a feeling he’s probably

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00:59:30,000 –> 00:59:32,040
still got a shit ton of money
somewhere.

968
00:59:32,160 –> 00:59:35,080
The company.
He did all of this through Glenn

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00:59:35,080 –> 00:59:38,520
Defense Marine Asia.
Tell him conspiracy the show

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00:59:38,520 –> 00:59:43,040
sent you was also sentenced to
five years probation and ordered

971
00:59:43,240 –> 00:59:46,640
to pay a $36 million fine.
The fact that they’re on

972
00:59:46,640 –> 00:59:52,280
probation makes me think that
$36 million isn’t going to sink

973
00:59:52,280 –> 00:59:56,840
their scam ships entirely.
So hey, let’s hear it for happy

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00:59:56,840 –> 01:00:00,160
endings.
And Speaking of endings, we’ve

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01:00:00,280 –> 01:00:03,920
reached the end of this update
and the end of the episode.

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01:00:04,120 –> 01:00:07,640
Instead of making you listen to
us plug a bunch of stuff from

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01:00:07,720 –> 01:00:11,840
20/22, an entirely different
time in history.

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01:00:12,000 –> 01:00:16,400
I will just mention that you can
get two bonus episodes of

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01:00:16,400 –> 01:00:19,960
Conspiracy the Show every month
when you subscribe at

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01:00:19,960 –> 01:00:25,240
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you don’t pod.supercast.com.

981
01:00:25,680 –> 01:00:28,480
And hey, I’d really appreciate
it if you did.

982
01:00:28,800 –> 01:00:31,520
Even if you don’t, I appreciate
you all the same.

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01:00:31,800 –> 01:00:34,160
And that’s it.
Let’s get out of here.

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01:00:34,360 –> 01:00:36,000
Goodbye everybody, we love you.