Conspiracy! The Show 293: What Jamie Raskin Said About Civil War

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Welcome to Conspiracy The Show,
the world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast, with
your hosts Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia Hydar.
Hey everybody, welcome to

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Conspiracy the show.
I’m your host Adam Todd Brown

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joining me as Co host this week.
Oh, my favorite Co host of all.

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No Co host.
I’m actually going it alone this

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week, mostly for scheduling
reasons.

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This is a conspiracy news
roundup episode.

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I’ve done them before.
We just talk about a bunch of

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news stories that strike me as
things conspiracy types would be

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interested in.
Not every conspiracy related

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story has enough meat on its
bones to carry an entire

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episode, you know.
Except things took a bit of a

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turn in that.
For one, the first story I

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wanted to talk about is going to
end up being almost the only

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story I talk about.
Also, this was going to be a

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bonus episode and I will be
doing a lot more solo stuff on

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the bonus side of of things
going forward, but this one

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seems like it deserves some
public attention.

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I think it will be a little bit
shorter of an episode than

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usual.
I can’t talk by myself for an

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hour to 90 minutes.
It hurts the voice.

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Anyway, a video started making
the rounds earlier this week in

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which Maryland Congressional
Representative Jamie Raskin says

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some pretty shocking things
about about the upcoming

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election.
And I know it has become a bit

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of a cliche to say this story is
a story nobody’s talking about,

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but in this case it is weirdly
true.

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Conservatives, right wingers,
some but not all MAGA types are

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super duper talking about it.
But at this point it seems like

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that’s kind of it in this video.
Representative Jamie Raskin

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tells a crowd of onlookers at a
panel of some sort that, and I’m

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paraphrasing here, if Donald
Trump wins in November, Congress

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is going to disqualify him from
taking office and that we should

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all expect civil war next.
Again, I’m paraphrasing, but

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that is what he says.
Before I get to the exact quote,

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though, a little background.
Why don’t we?

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Do you remember when Colorado
tried to have Trump removed from

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presidential ballots in that
state on 14th Amendment grounds?

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That’s the amendment that says,
in part, that if an officer of

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the United States government
participates in an insurrection,

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they can’t be president.
Well, that went to the Supreme

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Court eventually, and they ruled
9 to 0 that Colorado could not

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do that.
But there was a plot twist in

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the actual ruling.
Here’s a quote.

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Because the Constitution makes
Congress, rather than the states

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responsible for enforcing
Section 3 against federal office

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holders and candidates, we
reverse.

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End Quote.
We reverse, meaning they reverse

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the lower court ruling that
Trump could be kicked off the

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ballot.
And did you catch it?

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They aren’t saying no one can
disqualify Trump.

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They’re saying Congress has to
do it.

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Which brings us to Jamie
Raskin’s exact quote.

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Let’s listen.
It’s necessary, but it’s not

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sufficient because what can be
put into the Constitution can

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slip away from you very quickly.
And the greatest example going

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on right now before our very
eyes is section three of the

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14th Amendment, which they’re
just disappearing with the magic

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wand as if it doesn’t exist,
even though it could not be

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clearer what it’s stating.
And so, you know, they want to

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kick it to Congress.
So it’s going to be up to us on

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January 6th, 2025 to tell the
rampaging Trump mobs that he’s

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disqualified.
And then we need bodyguards for

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everybody and Civil War
conditions all because the 9

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justices, not all of them, but
these justices who have not many

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cases to look at every year, not
that much work to do, a huge

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staff, great protection, simply
do not want to do their job and

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interpret what the great 14th
Amendment.

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Means pretty incendiary stuff.
I was a little thrown off at

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first because it seems like the
only real response from anyone

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even sort of left-leaning about
this was to question if it was a

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deep fake.
That’s how shocking this quote

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is.
It is essentially a high-ranking

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Democrat publicly confirming
every Trump voter’s worst fear.

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And I guess I understand why
people would ask if the footage

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was fake.
The first versions of this that

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went around on social media were
cropped in really tight on

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Raskin’s face and some of them
looked sort of grainy, like

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maybe someone filmed it by
pointing their phone at their

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computer screen.
It is a complete and total fluke

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that I even saw this video when
I researched these roundup

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episodes.
I literally just typed the word

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conspiracy into an RSS reader
program and combed through

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whatever it spits out to find
stories that seem like they

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might be of interest to this
audience.

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Like I mentioned at the
beginning of the show, if I

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didn’t do that this week to
research this episode, I don’t

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know that I ever would have even
seen this video.

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I don’t follow right wing media
enough to have seen it, it’s

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just that that search in that
RSS reader produced a right wing

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leaning outlet result.
But I am 1000% confident that

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this video is real.
Everyone pushing it on Twitter.

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Currently known as X might be a
right winger.

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The small handful of outlets
reporting on it might all be

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right wing outlets.
But listen, even the blind

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squirrel finds a nut sometimes.
Those right wingers and their

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respective websites are not the
original source of this video.

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It comes from a February 17th,
2024 live stream held at and

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posted to the YouTube page of a
Washington, DC bookstore slash

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coffee house called Politics and
Prose.

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They are super well known.
They’ve been around in the DC

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area since 1984.
They have a massive online

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following, massive online
presence.

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The current owners are a husband
and wife team who used to write

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for the Washington Post.
The wife was also a speechwriter

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for Hillary Clinton.
Raskin was on a panel with civil

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rights lawyer Sherrilyn Ifill
and UCLA Political Signs and law

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professor Richard Hassan.
Does any of that sound right

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wing to you?
Because that is the source of

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this quote.
O either it’s legit or politics

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and prose as YouTube.
It was hacked in February and

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some nefarious IT genius
uploaded the absolute most

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convincing deep fake of all time
and no one has noticed or

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bothered taking it down on the
politics and prose side of

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things.
This is why sometimes debunking

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a story solely based on its
source isn’t enough.

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The website I first found this
on at first glance looks like

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any other local small town news
outlet.

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It’s called the Minnesota Sun
and its slogan is leading the

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way in news and education.
You only need to scroll through

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a few headlines though to suss
out that if nothing else, this

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is a highly right wing leaning
outlet.

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The website Media Bias Fact
Check calls it a quote,

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questionable source.
End Quote in that it acts as a

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propaganda imposter website for
the right wing in this country.

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But they also add this quote.
Sources listed in the

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questionable category may be
very untrustworthy and should be

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fact checked on a per article
basis.

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Please note, sources on this
list are not considered fake

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news unless specifically written
in the reasoning section for

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that source.
End Quote.

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And I’m sure everyone reads that
far when they see that a news

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outlet is labeled as
questionable.

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What I’m getting at is that I
don’t care who’s telling me the

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story if the story is true.
The National Enquirer has

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printed some real damn whoppers
in their day, and their

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reporting also legitimately
solved the 1997 murder of Ennis

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Cosby.
The National Enquirer probably

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should would have won a Pulitzer
for their coverage of the OJ

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trial, and I’m not saying that
as a joke.

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They covered it better than
anyone.

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And in this case, what’s being
reported about Maryland

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Representative Jamie Raskin, the
lead manager on Trump’s second

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impeachment, for the record, is
clearly true.

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Now, am I overthinking it, or
would this be a goddamn

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bombshell if it became a really
big story in the 2024 election?

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And I guess there’s still time
for that to happen.

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But if there’s one thing I’ve
learned trying to cover it over

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the last few years, the news
cycle moves really fast these

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days.
Apparently this video started

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circulating on the socials on
Monday.

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This episode goes up on Friday
at least, as I’m recording this

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on Thursday night.
I can’t find anyone but sources

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that a site like Media Bias Fact
Check would label as

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questionable mentioning the
Civil War comments anywhere.

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You usually at least get a
Newsweek or a Daily Beast

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article when a story’s being
suspiciously underreported.

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You know, an outlet like that
and the way Google works, those

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outlets are going to be way in
front of the search results

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over, say, The Federalist, which
is the top result for several

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different variations of the
search term.

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Jamie Raskin, Civil War.
Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely

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understand why someone,
somewhere in the dark recesses

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of the American government does
not want major media outlets

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making a big deal out of this.
If a story about the lead

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manager of the second Trump
impeachment, a sitting member of

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Congress vowing to disqualify
Trump from taking office even if

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he wins, was plastered on
everyone’s social media feed

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right now, reported on by the
outlets we trust, it would be a

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nightmare for Democrats in this
election.

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When one of his fellow right
wingers says something

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especially wacky, Trump has the
luxury of just calling them

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fringe and saying they don’t
represent his campaign, even if

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we know he’s lying and he’s
taking flights with him in

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recent months.
Things of the like.

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But this isn’t some fringe
extremist saying he wants to

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hang the satanic cabal on the
White House lawn again.

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This is the lead manager on the
second Trump impeachment, a

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sitting member of the exact body
that would have to initiate a

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move like this.
And unless I’m missing

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something, it seems like all
they’d really need to make it

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work, at least until the
lawsuits start, is to have a

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majority in Congress to at least
run it up the flagpole.

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If you recall, there’s a part of
that election certification

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process where everyone gets a
chance to object.

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There were a lot of objections
in 2021, but they were on

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suspect enough grounds that a
lot of Republicans didn’t go

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along with it and voted to
certify the results of the

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election.
But what if next time that

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happens, a Democrat majority
objects on constitutional

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grounds?
It could happen, and they would

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probably even pick up a
Republican vote or two.

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Whether it would ultimately
work, and whether it would be

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the right thing to do are
questions for another day.

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But I fail to see what is
stopping Democrats from trying

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exactly what Jamie Raskin is
suggesting if Trump wins, and if

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that is indeed the plan.
Again, I get why the current

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incarnation of our American
government would be hesitant to

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say that part out loud.
But now someone said it out

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loud.
Does the government have the

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power to keep the media from
talking about it, though?

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Let’s pretend we’re still unsure
of the answer to that question

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and reflect on the prisoner swap
with Russia that just happened.

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One of the stories that emerged
in the wake of that was that a

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Bloomberg reporter was fired for
publishing a story about it

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before the government had lifted
an embargo on reporting on it.

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And yes, that happens all the
time.

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It’s called an embargoed press
release.

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And there were prisoner safety
aspects involved here.

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I get all that.
But with how crucial government

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access is to the major media
outlets in this country, is it

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so unthinkable that the
government could also reach out

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to their most trusted news
sources and embargo a story

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forever under threat of losing
that access?

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Again, just a reminder, the
United States ranks #55 on the

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Press Freedom Index at last
check, and that was like a week

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ago.
There are absolutely some limits

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on what media outlets can report
on in this country.

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Or maybe this just isn’t
newsworthy.

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Is that it?
Because I don’t feel like that’s

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it.
This feels highly newsworthy,

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and it’s been sitting on the
Internet for anyone to find

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since February.
And Speaking of things that are

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hard to find on the Internet, I
don’t know.

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This next story probably isn’t
related, but it’s kind of

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related.
Here’s the gist.

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The promotional campaign for the
recent A 24 documentary, The

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6th, has been weird.
It’s a documentary about the

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January 6th insurrection.
Pretty hot topic these days.

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Very respected documentary
filmmaking team behind it.

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A 24, arguably the biggest movie
production company in all the

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land right now.
That name attached to a film

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instantly makes it at least
worth a courtesy watch.

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They are widely respected by
fans and critics alike.

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They were the company behind
Everything Everywhere All at

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Once, a movie.
Literally everyone saw everyone.

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So how come no one knew this
documentary was coming out?

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I only knew about it because
while researching this episode I

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stumbled upon a Politico article
from May of this year

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questioning why a 24 wasn’t
promoting the documentaries May

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3rd release date.
And when I say not promoting, it

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wasn’t even listed on a 24’s
website before Politico asked

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about it and that was like a day
before it was released.

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I wasn’t paying enough attention
to the A 24 website at the time

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to verify that claim, but I can
tell you I found a November 2023

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Indie Wire article called Every
A 24 movie coming out in 2024

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and beyond, and despite being
published 4 short months before

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the 6th was released, it’s not
mentioned in that article.

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An unnamed Steve Martin
documentary earns a mention, but

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this highly relevant to our
Times documentary made by one of

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the biggest filmmaking companies
out there does not get a

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mention.
Apparently, the lack of

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promotion came as a surprise to
several of the people who

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participated in the film, which
focuses on the stories of six

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people who were at the Capitol
that day, but not on the

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insurrectionist side, on the
side that was getting attacked.

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Here’s a quote from one of them.
The subjects were all told that

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the movie would be available on
Prime starting at the beginning

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of May.
And I was certainly telling that

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to people because the premiere
was completely sold out.

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I was telling people they’d be
able to access it on Prime

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Video.
And then the film makers told us

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that although that was the
original understanding, it was

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now not going to be available
for streaming on Prime Video and

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people would have to pay for it.
That obviously will change by

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millions the number of people
who will see it.

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End Quote.
And that was a quote from let me

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see here.
Oh, God damn it.

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Maryland representative Jamie
Raskin, one of these six people

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featured in the documentary.
With that in mind, here’s

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another quote from him.
I think it would absolutely

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sweep the country if it were
made available to the public

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easily.
End Quote.

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Does he mean this documentary or
that clip of him talking about

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disqualifying Trump from the
election and starting a civil

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war?
Sorry, the government won’t let

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me tell you which one it is.
You’ll have to figure it out for

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yourself.
There’s more to the a 24 story

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I’ll link to the Politico
article about it, but the rest

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mostly just amounts to people
speculating about whether the

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decision to hide the 6th from
public view was motivated by

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money or politics.
And to that I say to quote a

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famous Taco shell commercial.
Why not both?

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But also, one thing I haven’t
mentioned about Jamie Raskin’s

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Civil War comments and the
reaction to them, or lack

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thereof, is one other person
who, at least as I record this,

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has been oddly silent about that
video.

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Donald Trump.
How?

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Why did he not see it?
Is he just not on social media

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enough?
Because we all know for God damn

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sure that isn’t the answer.
This guy loves, loves, loves

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talking about a stolen election.
And just a reminder, even as a

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candidate, Kamala Harris will be
the one who ultimately certifies

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the results, just like Mike
Pence did in 2021.

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Sure, that’s a mostly ceremonial
role, but it seems like Jamie

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Raskin’s comments combined with
the Kamala will do the

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certifying angle.
Make this a thing the Trump

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campaign could immediately rally
their supporters around.

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And since when does he not leap
at a chance to claim the system

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is rigged against him?
The only thing I can think of

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that would explain Trump’s
silence on this is that maybe,

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maybe it would inspire his
supporters to not vote if it

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became a big enough talking
point during the campaign.

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Maybe.
But that would be an

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unprecedented display of
restraint on Trump’s part, and

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that’s way out of character for
him.

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And that still wouldn’t explain
why absolutely no media outlet

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except the sketchiest of right
wing outlets have even touched

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this story.
It seems like journalist Matt

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Taibbi and the host of a podcast
called Dark Horse.

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Took to Twitter, currently known
as X, to ask if maybe it was a

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deep fake and when no one
replied, that’s where the

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curiosity ended.
It’s not fake though he said it.

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And why absolutely no one is
talking about it at all is a

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question that is way above my
pay grade I think.

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Post your own personal theories
in the comments or something I

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guess.
And hey, that’s our episode.

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Thank you so much for listening
to me talk by myself this week.

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Just an FY I I host a whole
entire solo podcast called in

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every Tuesday wherever podcasts

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Or even better, get it as a

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video podcast on YouTube at Adam
Todd Brown comedy.

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One of the recent episodes is
about that weird RFK

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assassination souvenir program I
talk about all the time.

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Go watch it, why don’t you?
And thanks everybody.

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We love you, people of Earth.
Your planet is about to be

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destroyed.
Your planet is about to be

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destroyed.