Conspiracy! The Show 266: The Boston Marathon Bombing

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Welcome to Conspiracy the Show,
the world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast with
your hosts Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia Hydar.
Hey everybody, welcome to

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Conspiracy the show.
I am Adam Todd Brown.

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And I’m Olivia Hydar.
Oh, and that makes us your

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hosts.
Olivia, how’s it going?

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You know, bad for the most part,
but not in any way that is like,

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entertaining.
Yeah, yeah.

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We’ve talked about it.
We have.

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Getting into why it’s bad would
take an entire conspiracy the

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Pod episode.
And so we cannot do that, right?

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Right.
Maybe someday, but not right

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now.
Not while investigations are

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pending.
Olivia, thank you for being

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here.
I feel like it’s been a while

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since we recorded together.
I feel like it.

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Here’s the thing.
I recorded a bunch of stuff

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ahead of time so I could take a
trip out of town.

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I actually went to Indianapolis
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Among their stops, I had a lot
of fun good in Indiana.

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There is fun to be had I I I rag
on that place because it’s the

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bane of my existence and and the
hate of my life.

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But it it, it has a lot of good,
good qualities as well.

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And yeah, I recorded a bunch of
stuff ahead of time to

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compensate for that trip and now
I’m like getting back to

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recording.
That was like a month ago, yeah.

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So it’s actually been a while
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most people.
Well, there you go.

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And we are back at it to talk
about a thing I’m surprised I’ve

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never talked about.
Yeah, I’m actually shocked too.

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I figured you would have.
We’ve had plenty of years to

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discuss the Boston Marathon
bombing.

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I like how I revealed that, as
if every podcast doesn’t just

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have a title when people click
on Look.

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It’s the format of podcasts.
You have to reveal the the title

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and subject at some point.
Points This happened on April

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15th, 2013 Patriots Day.
Your favorite movie.

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Yeah, I did watch about an hour
of the movie because that’s when

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I thought of watching it before
the record.

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It’s bad.
Got That movie existed.

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Yeah, that’s because it doesn’t
really make any sense that it

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does exist because it was made
four years after the fucking

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thing.
Like it’s such a short turn

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around on one of these, like,
massacre movies.

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It’s crazy, yeah.
That said, I’m kind of

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interested to watch it because I
had never looked into the Boston

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Marathon bombing in any real
way.

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It’s always struck me as a
pretty straightforward thing.

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And it still does.
Yeah.

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It seems like just some domestic
terrorism.

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Yes, it’s bound to happen.
I mean time to time.

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Yeah, as as ordinary as
something like this could

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possibly be, right?
And so I’ve never really looked

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into it, but damn, there are
some movie esque details.

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Yeah, to this incident.
So we’re gonna go through the

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official version of events 1st,
and then we’re gonna dive into

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some of the conspiracy theories
that popped up around the Boston

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Marathon bombing.
Gonna warn people right up top.

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Trigger warning.
Skepticism.

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I don’t really think any of the
conspiracy theories around this.

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I guess we do have to.
I guess we do have to warn

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people.
Yeah.

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Unfortunately, I don’t think
Infowars being like the biggest

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false flag since Sandy Hook is
like that creditable.

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Yeah, and I know that
disappoints people sometimes.

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But hey, take heart in knowing I
still think Elvis faked his

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death to join Witness
Protection.

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Not a total skeptic.
I would love that.

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That’s I I’ve long held that.
I would like to watch that

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movie.
Oh, me too, 100%.

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So let’s dive into the Boston
Marathon bombing on April 15th,

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2013 at 24943 PM.
The parts sort of important, I

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guess.
A bomb exploded outside Marathon

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Sports on Boylston Street near
the finish line of the Boston

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Marathon.
Sorry if I’m pronouncing

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Boylston wrong.
It’s probably like Boyston in

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weird local Boston accents.
Like how what is clearly

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Worcester is like Worcester.
Yeah, it’s Worcester.

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That’s not.
That’s not what those letters

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form.
They they only pronounce it that

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way to trick spelling bee
contestants.

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That’s that’s that’s the only
reason for that.

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Proper nouns shouldn’t be
allowed in spelling bees.

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I don’t disagree necessarily.
Let’s go on that tangent for

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happening.
I think that’s what this episode

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needs to be.
Absolutely.

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So 14 seconds later, at 24957,
another explosion happens one

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block further.
W 755 Boylston Street.

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Explosions happened nearly three
hours after the winning runner

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had crossed the finish line.
Very courteous, but also at a

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point when there were still 5700
runners yet to finish.

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Yeah, and the explosions killed
3 people and injured 281 more.

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One of the details I didn’t put
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particularly stunning.
Is the race, like, finished?

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They just at one point police
diverted runners to a different

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course that had apparently been
set up in case of emergencies.

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Like, they diverted everyone
because it would have like, what

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would you what do you do?
Do you just get in front of

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everyone and like start waving?
Like, stop, stop, stop.

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Yeah, it’s 5700 people coming at
you like.

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Yeah.
No that’s that’s that’s an

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interesting.
Yeah, I I never thought they

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they must have because you never
know what might happen along

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that route.
There could be any number of

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things that would interrupt a a
race like that.

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And not just that, but runners
kept crossing the original

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finish line up until like 257.
Yeah, like, imagine being one of

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those runners and that’s your
finish to the Boston Marathon.

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Right.
I can see the finish line also.

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What the fuck is going with that
guys legs?

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The thing that I have had a hard
time grasping when reading about

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this story is.
Like how far the bombings were

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heard.
Like did the other run?

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Like, how much do you as a
person running the Boston

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Marathon, know what is like
ahead of and like, do you do you

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have, do you even have an
opportunity to stop?

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And especially, like, the closer
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you’ve been running for a long
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Yeah, that does stuff to your
psyche.

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And so like, experience distance
bro.

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I mean, we’re we’re both
speaking as marathoners

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ourselves, right?
I’ve also read about it.

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But just in personal experience,
I know ’cause you’re nearing the

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end of one of the many marathons
I’ve run in my life.

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Right, right, right.
Your thinking’s gonna be a

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little weird ’cause you’re
fucking tired.

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Totally dehydrated.
Yeah, your body’s all fucked up.

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Yeah, you might hear that and
just be like, oh, that was

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weird.
Yeah.

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Anyway, carrying on with this
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Yeah, I mean totally.
Because if people were still

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finishing eight minutes later
across that original.

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Finish line No.
It must be happening because,

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yeah, I don’t know.
I don’t know what else you do.

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Ma’am.
Me neither.

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It’s it’s.
I mean, it’s impossible to even

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think on, like think about.
Honestly, I can’t even imagine.

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And so because the perpetrators
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City went into a little bit of a
lockdown.

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Residents were encouraged to
stay off the streets.

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Airspace over Boston was
restricted, with departures from

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Logan International Airport
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That makes sense.
Speaking of conspiracy theories

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a little Mini 1 broke out almost
immediately when people started

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claiming that cell phone service
had been shut down to prevent

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phones from being used as
detonators for additional

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bombings.
And the truth is, it was just

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cell phone lines were very
congested because people were

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calling their relatives to find
out if they were at the Boston

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Marathon and if they were OK.
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And like calling the police
because they heard the

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explosion.
And like, yeah, it makes sense.

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The FBI launched an
investigation shortly

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thereafter, assisted by the ATF,
the CIA, the NCC, which is the

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National Counterterrorism
Center.

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I guess we need to look into
them.

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Yeah, we definitely need another
one, one of those we we don’t

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got enough things that have that
purpose in this country.

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And also the DEA.
Why the DEA?

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Maybe just because they had the
resources to investigate?

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If they weren’t busy that day, I
guess, yeah, there’s no drugs in

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Boston.
No, no.

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Famously Drug free City.
Yeah, just a drug free region of

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the country.
Exactly, yeah.

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Not ravaged by any sort of
crisis.

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And initially, one of the
suspicions was that North Korea

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did this because things were
tense with us and North Korea at

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the time.
God Americans relationships with

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North Korea is that it’s such a
bizarre phenomenon.

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They are.
They have never been a threat to

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us.
Like physically.

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But we keep expecting them to
be.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

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It’s, there’s an interesting
documentary out there.

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I think it’s called The
Propaganda Game, and it’s about

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North Korea and how the
reporting about North Korea

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isn’t.
We all do an.

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Episode about that, I think we
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The episode that’s the, that’s
the movie we did the episode

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about with that Spanish guy,
yeah.

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That Spanish guy is crazy, man.
An interesting documentary.

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So the government officials,
when this happened, said there

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was like no indication that a
terror attack of this nature was

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coming.
And that’s probably true.

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But there was also this weird
incident where two years

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earlier, Russia, as it turns
out, reached out to the FBI for

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information about Tamerlan
Tsarnaev, 26, and Dzhokhar

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Tsarnaev, 19.
They were named as the suspects

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in this, and once they were, the
FBI basically had to issue a

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statement and be like, uh, we
talked to them, but we didn’t

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really find anything too
alarming.

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Yeah, nothing.
You see here, we, I mean, they

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probably, you know, made him
turn informant and then one of

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their informants got out of
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Oh, no.
This is a conspiracy theory.

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Yeah, that’s.
Which is not listed in our list

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of conspiracy theories.
But yeah, weirdly, that is not

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one of the common conspiracy
theories about this.

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Which I think if the if anything
would make sense, it would be

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that because they do at one
point after Russia makes this

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inquiry, the Tsarnaev brothers
like travel out of the country

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and then come back and at no
point are they labeled

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suspicious or labeled as a
threat.

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I mean, and not only that, but
like we, we, we don’t have a

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they don’t have a manifesto.
We don’t have any sort of

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clearly defined motive for them.
And it seems like that would be

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something that officials might
be interested in finding out and

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publicizing, unless their motive
might include the FBI.

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Right.
And yeah, that’s like, that’s

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the one conspiracy theory I
would be inclined to believe.

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Like, I don’t doubt it with
Oklahoma City either.

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Like, that’s one of the
suggestions is that the FBI was

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there.
But like, not that the FBI did

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it.
They were just ingrained enough

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in that group that they should
have been able to stop it,

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right?
And they somehow did not.

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Because that’s a thing we know
about the FBI.

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Like the CIA gets all the credit
for being like the Super spies

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who infiltrate anything.
But that’s for, you know,

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foreign entities like, right.
Domestically is the FBI.

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Yeah.
The FBI is just domestic CIA.

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Yeah, did.
You see killers of the Flower

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Moon?
No, not yet.

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I mean, it’s a spectacular
movie.

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It’s so good.
But that is.

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In the both the book and the
movie that’s, you know a minor

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thing that they part of the way
that they tackle the

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investigation is by and this is
like one of the first FBI

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investigations period and one of
their main tactics was

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ingratiating people in the
communities.

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And getting information that
way.

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Yeah, yeah, it’s a classic FBI
thing.

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We covered the documentary about
the assassination of Malcolm X

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on this podcast.
It was me and Atif Myers, and in

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that, like, the FBI admits there
were something like 10 FBI

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agents in the room when Malcolm
X was assassinated.

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And like Elijah Muhammad’s like
right hand man, like his number

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two.
Yeah, was also an FBI informant.

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Like the FBI is great at that
shit.

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I mean, there’s a reason there’s
the jokes about like some like

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certain conspicuous protests
having more FBI agents than

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protesters at them.
Like this is like a commonly.

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Well known thing.
Yeah, exactly.

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So as this investigation
progressed.

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Yes, it was determined that the
bombs went off were improvised

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pressure cooker devices built by
the bombers themselves, using

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instructions found in Al Qaeda’s
Inspire magazine.

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I will not make the joke about
saving 10% at checkout.

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Yeah, this is not a good time
for the for those jokes.

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I would say there is absolutely
no benefit to using on pops at

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checkout.
That is the funniest possible

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name for the Al Qaeda magazine,
though.

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Yeah, Inspire.
Like, imagine being just some

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fucking confused dentist.
You can create a list of

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magazines to add to your waiting
room collection and you see

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inspire a magazine about
uplifting people of color.

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And you’re like, Oh yeah, that
sounds good.

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It’s like a wait no oh.
My God.

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Actually writing like puff
pieces for Inspire.

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You know, like what’s what’s
happened today in Al Qaeda?

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Well, you know what?
Who’s who?

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Who?
Fashion watch.

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You think you’d do like a
fashion watch?

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It’s so many possibilities.
Inspire magazine.

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That’s so fucking funny.
We found out later these bombs

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were triggered using toy car
remote controls.

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Makes sense.
Cute little detail.

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Yeah, it’s adorable.
Survivor, who was near where one

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of the bombs was placed, was
able to provide a description of

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the suspects and FBI later
released surveillance footage of

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the Sarnaev brothers at the
scene.

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I find it interesting that when
they released this footage, they

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were like, can you help us
identify these two?

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And it’s like you talked to them
like less than.

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A year ago, yeah.
Why can’t you identify them?

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They’re on the DL.
They’re they don’t want to, they

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don’t want to talk about that
part.

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About six hours after those
photos were released, the

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Tsarnaev brothers attacked an
MIT cop in an effort to steal

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his gun.
Which is crazy because they also

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shot him six times, right?
Which implies they had a gun.

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Well.
But there’s two of them.

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So you know.
And so of all the people, I’m

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pretty sure you could still buy
guns at Walmart at this point.

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Just gotta take one from some
fucking hapless cashier.

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Yeah, like after I get that he’s
like a college cop.

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And that’s like, not real.
But still, like, why take that

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guys gun?
Yeah, I don’t know.

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I mean, if it feels like maybe
they just ran into him, you

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know, like it, you know, like it
wasn’t like a planned thing.

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They just were like, oh, Oh no,
here’s a guy in a uniform.

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We got to fuck him up.
Yeah, could be.

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So that guy died from his
injuries and they were

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ultimately unable to remove his
gun because the holster probably

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had like a fingerprint reader or
something on it that, well,

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that’s that’s why they weren’t
able to get his gun, because it

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had some sort of security
mechanism.

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Yeah, I figure like a lock.
I didn’t know if it was like AI

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didn’t know that they could do
fingerprint readers in those

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things.
It seems like that would be the

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fastest option.
Well, but we’re also talking

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2013.
Was that even, like as much of a

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thing, fingerprint readers in
2013?

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But I mean like, but like small
ones that you can like wear.

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I think so.
I don’t know I the past is a is

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an illusion to.
This is all that’s before I

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moved to LA.
Like it’s so much as of my life

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has changed its time.
It’s crazy different time.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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It’s right after I moved to LA.
And even I’m like, oh, what a

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different time, right?
I was such a different person.

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So he died from his injuries.
As I mentioned, after that they

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carjacked a Chinese national
named Danny Meng and took him

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hostage with plans to take his
car to Times Square and set off

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more explosives.
But they also stopped for gas

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first.
That’s a drive.

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Is there a Yeah, I was gonna
say, is there a Times Square in

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Boston or they do they mean New
York City?

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They mean New York.
OK, so it it was gonna be quite

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a drive.
Yeah.

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And they stopped to get gas.
And Danny Meng is probably very

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rightly afraid that they’re
gonna, you know, kill him

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somewhere.
Yeah, between Austin and Times

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Square.
I mean, I think it’s never a

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great idea to a great feeling to
be like trapped with two guys

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with guns who want your car.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely not.

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And so he not only escapes and
gets to a local or another

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nearby gas station to ask them
to call 911, but he also left

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his phone in the car.
And it’s far enough in to modern

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times where police can just
track that cell phone as it

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moves, and they eventually track
the Sarnaev brothers down to a

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small town in Massachusetts
called Watertown.

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And at that point, a God damn
movie style shootout with police

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ensues.
This, of course, is all

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according to police, so take it
with a grain of salt.

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But.
They claim the Tsarnaev brothers

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fired 56 times, detonated at
least one pressure cooker bomb

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and threw 5 crude grenades, 3 of
which exploded.

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Speaking of movie style details,
Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s.

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Participation in the shootout
ended when he ran out of

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ammunition and subsequently
threw his empty gun at a nearby

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cop, at which point he was
tackled and taken into custody

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because they knew he didn’t have
a gun with bullets in it

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anymore.
That’s why you don’t throw your

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gun at people.
Once you’re throwing your gun in

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that, like, how many movies has
that been?

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It has.
It’s such a trope.

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It’s been made fun of
relentlessly and other things,

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like not just by people but like
in other movies and TV shows.

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Like Venture Brothers has
several jokes about people

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throwing guns.
Like, it’s very funny to think

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about it happening in real life
because it doesn’t really make

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any sense from any tact.
Even if you’re losing from a

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tact, it makes more sense to
hold the gun as a bludgeoning

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weapon than to throw it, because
it’s tough to, like, throw

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something and have it like, you
know, do damage.

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Exactly.
And it actually gets worse for

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Tamerlan Tsarnaev because his
younger brother Jokar, at this

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point gets in the.
Stolen SUV behind the wheel and

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not only drives off, but drives
off in the direction of the

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police.
And what we find out later is

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that he thought he was driving
toward a bunch of cops

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performing CPR on an injured
cop.

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Yeah, he was actually driving
toward the cops arresting his

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brother.
Yeah, And the cops try to drag

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his brother out of the way of
the car and they are

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unsuccessful.
Yeah.

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And so Dzhokhar Tsarnaev hits
his brother with the SUV and

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like drags him a little bit
before he finally, like, just

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falls free.
And so that’s what killed

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Tamerlan Tsarnaev was him being
hit by the SUV driven by his

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brother.
But his brother gets away.

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And at that point, authorities
launched a search effort that

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involved cordoning off a 20
block area of Watertown, MA and

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sending police and SWAT teams
door to door to search houses

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looking for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
And you might be asking, was

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that legal?
Was that legal?

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It sure was, According to the
ACLU exigent circumstances, they

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call it if there is an imminent
danger to the community or if a

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suspect’s escape is imminent,
police can execute warrantless

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searches.
Yeah, on homes.

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And there’s apparently like a
little nuance to it where you

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can technically say no.
Sure, if the police show up in

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this situation, but who’s going
to do that that, like, that

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would take, I mean, even.
And even if you do say no, they

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could be like, oh, we didn’t
hear you.

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And they’re gonna come in
anywhere.

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Like you’re not gonna win an
argument against a bunch of

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dudes in fucking SWAT gear.
That is not how that works.

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And there was someone at the
time who put a YouTube video up

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that has since been removed who
was like, yeah, they asked, but

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also I had guns pointed at my
friends when they exactly.

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Who’s going to?
Who’s going to turn that request

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down?
They also there were people who

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questioned the legality of them
issuing stay at home orders and

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we’ll link to the article.
It’s really interesting mostly

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because they bring up that
that’s a thing that normally

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happens in the case of a
pandemic people at home.

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But this was 2013, right?
And the little nuance there that

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made it legal was that it wasn’t
mandatory.

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Like you weren’t going to get
shot if you went out on the

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streets during that stay at home
order.

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But in this case, you probably
might have been probably

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definitely going to get shot if
you if you fucked up on this

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day.
And what’s crazy is all of these

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warrantless searches yield 0
results, right?

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But they still end up finding
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev at someone’s

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house.
Yeah, he was just hiding in the

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boat parked outside, which how
do you not look there?

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I would definitely look there
before the house.

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The homeowner noticed that the
tarp covering was a little bit

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loose and was like, well that’s
strange and he looked under and

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saw.
The body laying in a pool of

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blood.
And so he called the police.

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The police surround the boat and
shot at it for anywhere from a

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few minutes to like a goddamn
hour, depending on who you ask.

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And it was initially claimed
that Sarnaev was shooting back.

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Right.
And that he started firing and

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that’s why they shot.
But then when he was taken into

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custody, he didn’t have a gun.
So that story kind of fell

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apart.
I just love to think about like,

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you’re 45 minutes into this,
like, and then, like, people are

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just popping off the occasional
round At this point the the, the

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long stream of gunfire is up.
But every once in a while,

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somebody’s like, eh, yeah.
And there’s like, still 15

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minutes left.
And.

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What it ended up being is a
thing that we also saw at like

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Waco, where one person shot when
he shouldn’t have and then what

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happened next is called
contagious fire, where

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everyone’s in this high stress
situation, guns pointed and they

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hear one shot and they’re like
fucking go time.

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And I don’t remember was it Waco
or Ruby Ridge?

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It’s crazy that the government
did that like twice.

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Span of two years, but I think
it was Ruby Ridge where they had

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the cabin surrounded and like,
one guy shot at a dog.

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Yeah, and everyone else was
like, all right, time to shoot

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and just start shooting the
fucking house up.

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I mean, that sounds more like
Ruby Ridge than Waco.

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Yeah, that’s basically not,
that’s not really how Waco

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00:26:38,760 –> 00:26:42,280
exactly went down, but close.
I mean, but I think that it was

441
00:26:42,360 –> 00:26:44,920
super far off.
I think there was like some

442
00:26:44,920 –> 00:26:48,240
contagious gunfire.
So, no, there definitely was.

443
00:26:48,240 –> 00:26:49,800
It was.
I just don’t think that.

444
00:26:50,000 –> 00:26:52,560
I think it was Ruby Ridge where
a dog caused it.

445
00:26:52,800 –> 00:26:55,640
Either way, that’s what happens
here too.

446
00:26:55,760 –> 00:27:02,360
And Tsarnaev gets shot in the
head, neck, legs and hand.

447
00:27:02,680 –> 00:27:04,680
Oh, good.
But he survived.

448
00:27:04,880 –> 00:27:07,360
That’s crazy it.
It’s always crazy ’cause it

449
00:27:07,360 –> 00:27:10,800
happens occasionally, but it’s
always crazy when someone gets

450
00:27:10,800 –> 00:27:12,560
shot in the head and then
survives.

451
00:27:12,840 –> 00:27:15,000
Like there’s that just is.
Never nuts.

452
00:27:15,120 –> 00:27:17,720
Not nuts.
And that’s the thing.

453
00:27:17,720 –> 00:27:21,440
There were so many conspiracy
theory voices at the time were

454
00:27:21,440 –> 00:27:23,240
like, here’s what’s going to
happen next.

455
00:27:23,240 –> 00:27:25,320
They’re going to say there’s
another suspect out there, but

456
00:27:25,320 –> 00:27:27,920
he’s going to be shot dead
before they have a chance to

457
00:27:27,920 –> 00:27:31,080
talk to him.
And in this case, they tried to

458
00:27:31,080 –> 00:27:35,480
shoot him dead and it failed.
But then what?

459
00:27:35,560 –> 00:27:38,760
Like, he didn’t?
No, nothing about him talking

460
00:27:38,760 –> 00:27:41,520
like what?
Show the world to its core.

461
00:27:41,720 –> 00:27:45,400
What are the answers like What
answers Are you gonna really get

462
00:27:45,760 –> 00:27:49,640
it You know there’s never like
with something like this it you

463
00:27:49,640 –> 00:27:54,800
know the the the reasons are
never as coherent as the emotion

464
00:27:54,800 –> 00:27:56,960
behind it.
Like just it’s this guy is

465
00:27:56,960 –> 00:28:01,600
pissed off and and and.
Also, the suggestion that, Oh

466
00:28:01,600 –> 00:28:04,680
well, police are gonna kill him
because he’s got stuff to say

467
00:28:04,680 –> 00:28:06,880
that the authorities don’t want
to come out.

468
00:28:06,920 –> 00:28:11,680
That’s such an easy guess.
Because police kill people in

469
00:28:11,680 –> 00:28:13,440
situations like this.
That’s true.

470
00:28:13,440 –> 00:28:16,600
This is a guy who has killed a
cop.

471
00:28:16,680 –> 00:28:20,680
Yeah, already, yes.
And has fired at several other

472
00:28:20,680 –> 00:28:23,200
cops.
Yeah, probably injured a bunch

473
00:28:23,200 –> 00:28:26,960
of other cops.
And now a bunch of angry cops

474
00:28:26,960 –> 00:28:31,280
have him surrounded and they are
just waiting for the moment when

475
00:28:31,280 –> 00:28:33,520
they can get some retribution
for him killing.

476
00:28:33,640 –> 00:28:36,800
More cop and then they do.
And they do.

477
00:28:37,000 –> 00:28:40,680
And so to be like they’re the
police are going to kill him

478
00:28:40,680 –> 00:28:42,120
because there’s something to
hide.

479
00:28:42,400 –> 00:28:44,120
It’s like, no, the police are
going to kill him because the

480
00:28:44,120 –> 00:28:46,680
police are police.
Exactly.

481
00:28:46,960 –> 00:28:51,160
And in this case it just failed.
It just didn’t work, not for

482
00:28:51,160 –> 00:28:54,840
lack of trying.
Yeah, he didn’t like, reveal the

483
00:28:54,840 –> 00:28:58,360
details of some nefarious plot
after he was knocked because

484
00:28:58,360 –> 00:29:00,960
he’s just some angry fucking
asshole.

485
00:29:01,240 –> 00:29:05,960
Just some moron who got found
his excuse for violence.

486
00:29:06,480 –> 00:29:09,640
Like, I I’m still inclined to
believe a lot of conspiracy

487
00:29:09,640 –> 00:29:12,440
theories about the government
actually start with the

488
00:29:12,440 –> 00:29:16,280
government.
Because in a case like this, you

489
00:29:16,280 –> 00:29:19,360
send all these people off on,
oh, well, what?

490
00:29:19,360 –> 00:29:21,840
What was really behind this?
What was the government’s

491
00:29:21,840 –> 00:29:24,800
thinking in this when the
question you should be asking

492
00:29:24,800 –> 00:29:29,480
is, why was this dude so mad?
Because people aren’t mad at the

493
00:29:29,480 –> 00:29:31,520
United States because of our
freedom.

494
00:29:31,880 –> 00:29:32,840
I know.
That’s what.

495
00:29:33,200 –> 00:29:37,200
We started saying after 9/11 was
they’re just mad that we get to

496
00:29:37,200 –> 00:29:40,880
like put titties on magazine
covers or whatever, and and and

497
00:29:40,880 –> 00:29:43,640
luckily all of that rhetoric is
dead and has not been

498
00:29:43,640 –> 00:29:46,480
resurrected in any capacity in
the last month.

499
00:29:47,240 –> 00:29:50,360
Yeah, not at all.
Things are so chill for Muslims

500
00:29:50,360 –> 00:29:54,720
in this country.
Yeah, and so a police source

501
00:29:55,080 –> 00:29:58,960
eventually said the shots were
fired in the fog of war.

502
00:29:58,960 –> 00:30:05,280
Yeah, totally, buddy.
Like, oh wow, OK, And Tsarnaev

503
00:30:05,280 –> 00:30:08,360
was tried and eventually
convicted on 30 different

504
00:30:08,360 –> 00:30:11,720
charges and sentenced to death.
But the death sentence was

505
00:30:11,720 –> 00:30:15,560
eventually overturned on the
grounds that a judge’s refusal

506
00:30:15,560 –> 00:30:18,480
to move the case to a different
city meant he couldn’t get a

507
00:30:18,480 –> 00:30:19,840
fair trial.
And.

508
00:30:20,560 –> 00:30:23,880
I agree with that.
Absolutely, at 100%.

509
00:30:24,080 –> 00:30:26,760
I mean, for one thing, the death
penalty is literally never

510
00:30:26,760 –> 00:30:30,800
justified.
But even still, like, especially

511
00:30:30,800 –> 00:30:34,000
in this case, you’re trying the
man in fucking Boston.

512
00:30:34,000 –> 00:30:38,320
Are you kidding me?
Like you can’t fucking do that.

513
00:30:38,320 –> 00:30:42,000
That is not how that works.
You probably can’t get a fair

514
00:30:42,000 –> 00:30:45,600
shoplifting trial if you’re a
Muslim in Boston at this point.

515
00:30:45,600 –> 00:30:46,960
Absolutely.
Jesus.

516
00:30:48,480 –> 00:30:51,600
So again, this seems like a
pretty straightforward thing

517
00:30:51,840 –> 00:30:56,720
like this Eventually was chalked
up to extremist beliefs, they

518
00:30:56,720 –> 00:31:01,560
were never tied to any specific
group, and that all seems to

519
00:31:01,560 –> 00:31:04,600
track, but also a ton of
conspiracy theories.

520
00:31:05,040 –> 00:31:08,920
Started popping up after this
and you got to take into account

521
00:31:08,920 –> 00:31:12,000
this 2013.
So Infowars is like at the.

522
00:31:12,080 –> 00:31:17,040
Height of their powers like this
is right before social media

523
00:31:17,040 –> 00:31:21,880
networks start cracking down on
cracking down on misinformation,

524
00:31:23,080 –> 00:31:26,360
at least misinformation.
They can’t profit, of course,

525
00:31:26,600 –> 00:31:29,480
naturally.
Yeah, see, I brought up an

526
00:31:29,480 –> 00:31:33,240
example on last week’s bonus
episode about.

527
00:31:33,640 –> 00:31:38,280
Google and the plandemic video.
I did an episode about the

528
00:31:38,280 –> 00:31:42,760
plandemic video and when I was
searching for it on Google, the

529
00:31:42,760 –> 00:31:45,760
conservatives were right.
If you just check the Google

530
00:31:45,760 –> 00:31:49,280
search results, you could go for
pages and pages and pages and

531
00:31:49,280 –> 00:31:52,080
not find an actual link to
Plandem.

532
00:31:52,200 –> 00:31:53,920
But Olivia, you know where I
found it?

533
00:31:54,680 –> 00:31:58,720
In a sponsored ad at the top of
the page, so Google would take

534
00:31:58,720 –> 00:32:01,240
money to let it promote.
Pandemic.

535
00:32:01,240 –> 00:32:03,200
They’re just not going to
promote it for free.

536
00:32:03,640 –> 00:32:09,880
Oh man, that’s very funny.
Classic classic tech.

537
00:32:10,000 –> 00:32:13,600
Classic tech not ruling the
world at all?

538
00:32:13,960 –> 00:32:17,760
Not at all.
And so the conspiracy theories,

539
00:32:17,960 –> 00:32:22,000
given that this was 2013, just
come in fucking hot and heavy

540
00:32:22,120 –> 00:32:24,200
right away.
Yeah, the first was that.

541
00:32:24,280 –> 00:32:28,720
That this was a false flag and
that came from Infowars

542
00:32:28,720 –> 00:32:33,160
correspondent Dan Bidnandi, who
asked the following question at

543
00:32:33,240 –> 00:32:38,320
a fucking press conference held
by the Massachusetts government

544
00:32:38,880 –> 00:32:42,200
over this incident.
Is this another false flag

545
00:32:42,200 –> 00:32:45,680
staged attack to take our civil
liberties and promote Homeland

546
00:32:45,680 –> 00:32:48,560
Security while sticking their
hands down our pants on the

547
00:32:48,560 –> 00:32:49,880
streets?
What?

548
00:32:50,400 –> 00:32:55,800
Imagine if the guy had been
like, yeah, it is Boston Globe.

549
00:32:55,840 –> 00:33:01,520
Next question, would that be, do
you think that Infowars would

550
00:33:01,520 –> 00:33:06,560
even be like mentally able to
consider that a victory if that

551
00:33:06,560 –> 00:33:09,320
happened?
Like, I don’t know if their

552
00:33:09,320 –> 00:33:13,840
brains would be able to compute
like just a straightforward yes

553
00:33:13,840 –> 00:33:17,720
answer to this this insane
question.

554
00:33:17,920 –> 00:33:22,080
Like the phrasing of this
question, is SO bug nuts.

555
00:33:22,480 –> 00:33:25,640
And what civil liberties are we
going to lose over this?

556
00:33:25,640 –> 00:33:28,160
We can’t carry pressure cookers
around in public.

557
00:33:28,280 –> 00:33:31,840
I will say here’s the thing I
like when it comes to Infowars,

558
00:33:31,840 –> 00:33:36,000
especially during this time
period like you know, yeah, sure

559
00:33:36,320 –> 00:33:41,240
they they are going to use this
attack to like they they to

560
00:33:41,240 –> 00:33:44,320
violate their civil liberties.
Then we just talked about the

561
00:33:44,320 –> 00:33:47,640
cops illegally searching houses.
I mean, I’m sorry legally

562
00:33:47,960 –> 00:33:53,520
searching houses.
Like, you know, sure, but that

563
00:33:53,520 –> 00:33:55,800
doesn’t.
But you sound like a lunatic

564
00:33:55,800 –> 00:33:59,360
when you’re like is this another
false flag Like what This.

565
00:33:59,920 –> 00:34:00,880
It’s just.
Insane.

566
00:34:02,120 –> 00:34:05,280
And again, that’s like such low
hanging fruit because, you know,

567
00:34:05,280 –> 00:34:10,280
the government has a long, long,
long history of in response to

568
00:34:10,280 –> 00:34:13,400
things like this.
Yeah, they do kind of strip away

569
00:34:13,880 –> 00:34:17,120
our civil liberties, but it’s
not that they strip them away.

570
00:34:17,120 –> 00:34:21,800
We give them away, right.
It’s in exchange for safety from

571
00:34:21,800 –> 00:34:25,760
stuff like this exactly.
And so it’s really easy to be

572
00:34:25,760 –> 00:34:28,800
that conspiracy theory guy who’s
like, look what’s going to

573
00:34:28,800 –> 00:34:31,560
happen next?
We’re gonna start losing civil

574
00:34:31,560 –> 00:34:33,000
liberties.
And it’s like, yeah, it’s

575
00:34:33,000 –> 00:34:36,400
because that’s the actual United
States we live in, right?

576
00:34:36,480 –> 00:34:40,600
Like that’s just what we do.
So you’re not, like, predicting

577
00:34:40,600 –> 00:34:42,320
anything.
You’re not right about anything.

578
00:34:42,520 –> 00:34:45,480
No, exactly.
And and also, like, obviously,

579
00:34:45,480 –> 00:34:49,600
we know from how their politics
play out in the long run that

580
00:34:49,600 –> 00:34:52,639
they’re not actually worried
about civil liberties getting

581
00:34:52,639 –> 00:34:56,239
stripped away from everybody,
just from, you know, the people

582
00:34:56,239 –> 00:35:01,120
that they can’t think about and
care about than matter like it.

583
00:35:01,120 –> 00:35:03,840
They care about white people
losing civil liberties.

584
00:35:03,840 –> 00:35:06,240
They don’t really care about
anybody else losing civil

585
00:35:06,240 –> 00:35:07,680
liberties.
Correct.

586
00:35:07,880 –> 00:35:11,480
This was a theory that was also
pushed by then New Hampshire

587
00:35:11,480 –> 00:35:13,760
State legislator Stella
Tremblay.

588
00:35:13,920 –> 00:35:17,640
Yeah, who seems like she
deserves an entire episode’s

589
00:35:17,760 –> 00:35:21,120
podcast all into herself.
Yeah, I was not familiar with

590
00:35:21,120 –> 00:35:24,000
her before reading about her in
these notes, and she’s a

591
00:35:24,000 –> 00:35:27,280
character.
She took this claim a step

592
00:35:27,280 –> 00:35:32,200
further and as evidence to prove
that this was a false flag

593
00:35:32,200 –> 00:35:34,640
attack.
There was one guy who lost both

594
00:35:34,640 –> 00:35:38,840
of his legs in this bombing and
she was like, that looks fake.

595
00:35:39,040 –> 00:35:42,760
That looks like he’s probably
faking those injuries.

596
00:35:42,840 –> 00:35:46,600
It’s like, do you think he’s
faking, losing both legs?

597
00:35:46,800 –> 00:35:51,240
He blew him off on purpose to
make to make his son safe.

598
00:35:52,080 –> 00:35:54,280
Yeah, she was a fucking
character.

599
00:35:54,280 –> 00:35:58,280
In addition to the Boston
Marathon claims, she also once

600
00:35:58,280 –> 00:36:03,080
emailed a doctored video of
Obama admitting, and I put that

601
00:36:03,080 –> 00:36:08,320
in there, that he was not born
in the United States to her

602
00:36:08,320 –> 00:36:12,840
other 399 State House members,
saying it was sufficient

603
00:36:12,840 –> 00:36:15,080
evidence to open an
investigation.

604
00:36:15,280 –> 00:36:18,520
She also had a history advisor
on her staff.

605
00:36:19,320 –> 00:36:23,240
Claimed Abe Lincoln.
One dissolved the United States

606
00:36:23,640 –> 00:36:29,240
and two never freed the slaves.
And also Queen Elizabeth the

607
00:36:29,240 –> 00:36:31,160
Second still controls the US
government.

608
00:36:32,240 –> 00:36:34,880
Now, these are the kinds of
conspiracies that I honestly

609
00:36:34,880 –> 00:36:40,960
don’t mind at all, because
what’s the harm that that it’s

610
00:36:40,960 –> 00:36:46,040
just so outside in divorce from
reality that you know, you’re

611
00:36:46,040 –> 00:36:48,640
just making up historical fan
fiction at this point?

612
00:36:49,160 –> 00:36:53,000
Yeah, exactly.
Like, OK, so Abe Lincoln

613
00:36:53,000 –> 00:36:57,120
dissolved the United States.
So where are you living right

614
00:36:57,120 –> 00:36:59,200
now?
Well.

615
00:36:59,320 –> 00:37:02,880
I mean, that means you’re you’re
just like, free to secede

616
00:37:03,000 –> 00:37:06,560
without like you, Don’t you?
I just don’t have do it.

617
00:37:06,720 –> 00:37:09,400
Government mechanisms.
You can just be like, hey, our

618
00:37:09,400 –> 00:37:10,880
own country now.
Absolutely.

619
00:37:10,880 –> 00:37:13,400
Go ahead.
Please, please do.

620
00:37:13,440 –> 00:37:16,240
I would love to see it like
that’s, that’s what that’s my

621
00:37:16,280 –> 00:37:19,880
response.
Like, OK, sure, have fun.

622
00:37:20,160 –> 00:37:22,880
See what happens.
Have fun getting invaded by the

623
00:37:22,880 –> 00:37:26,320
National Guard.
Of the other 49 states, they

624
00:37:26,360 –> 00:37:28,480
wouldn’t even need the entire
National Guard.

625
00:37:29,880 –> 00:37:33,080
They get one reservist base out
there and they’re fine.

626
00:37:34,160 –> 00:37:37,840
Jesus.
So there’s always in a situation

627
00:37:37,840 –> 00:37:40,320
like this.
Going to be a conspiracy theory

628
00:37:40,320 –> 00:37:42,760
that claims, well, the
organizers knew this was going

629
00:37:42,760 –> 00:37:47,560
to happen and that is an
extremely human reaction to

630
00:37:47,560 –> 00:37:50,640
something like this.
And they obviously just let it

631
00:37:50,640 –> 00:37:52,160
happen.
And it’s like, why?

632
00:37:52,400 –> 00:37:54,920
Why they why they let it happen
doesn’t make any sense.

633
00:37:55,400 –> 00:38:00,120
In this case, that theory was
based on an interview that we’ll

634
00:38:00,120 –> 00:38:04,000
link to, where there is a
witness who was at the Boston

635
00:38:04,000 –> 00:38:05,800
Marathon.
He was running in the Boston

636
00:38:05,800 –> 00:38:07,800
Marathon.
He finished before the bomb went

637
00:38:07,800 –> 00:38:10,200
off and at the very.
Very end of his interview with

638
00:38:10,200 –> 00:38:14,760
this local Alabama news outlet.
He’s like, you know, the morning

639
00:38:14,760 –> 00:38:20,040
of they had bomb sniffing dogs
by the start of the race, like

640
00:38:20,040 –> 00:38:24,280
at the start line of the race.
And I’ve never seen that before.

641
00:38:24,280 –> 00:38:26,200
I’ve been to a bunch of
marathons and I’ve never seen

642
00:38:26,200 –> 00:38:27,600
that.
So that was weird.

643
00:38:27,800 –> 00:38:33,240
And people are like, see and
it’s like, man, bomb sniffing

644
00:38:33,240 –> 00:38:37,040
dogs are at every fucking major
event whether you see them or

645
00:38:37,040 –> 00:38:38,720
not, right?
Like if it’s a.

646
00:38:38,960 –> 00:38:42,240
Big enough event.
Yeah, especially post 911.

647
00:38:42,240 –> 00:38:44,560
Someone’s checking for God damn
bombs.

648
00:38:44,600 –> 00:38:47,000
Exactly.
They had fucking then.

649
00:38:47,600 –> 00:38:49,240
I don’t know.
I didn’t see a bomb sniffing

650
00:38:49,240 –> 00:38:56,000
dog, but they had huge gated
security at Alien Con, yeah.

651
00:38:56,920 –> 00:39:01,480
Yeah, I’ve been to several
events at Sofi Stadium and not

652
00:39:01,480 –> 00:39:04,240
one single time have I not
passed a gaggle.

653
00:39:04,560 –> 00:39:07,760
Of bomb sniffing dogs.
Yeah, and it’s like a cab

654
00:39:07,760 –> 00:39:10,320
includes dogs, but they also
look like such good boys.

655
00:39:10,320 –> 00:39:13,440
It’s not their fault they’re
they’re victims as well.

656
00:39:13,640 –> 00:39:17,280
Yeah, yeah, that’s that’s my
basic stance on police dogs.

657
00:39:17,280 –> 00:39:19,160
They are.
They are victims of the state.

658
00:39:19,240 –> 00:39:20,760
True.
Yeah, I’ll take that.

659
00:39:20,960 –> 00:39:24,000
And yeah, they’re like, just
because this guy had never seen

660
00:39:24,000 –> 00:39:28,480
them at a marathon doesn’t mean,
Yeah, they’ve never been.

661
00:39:28,920 –> 00:39:31,240
Doesn’t mean the organizers
planned.

662
00:39:32,040 –> 00:39:34,080
The Boston Marathon bombing.
To what?

663
00:39:34,080 –> 00:39:37,680
And like, imagine being an
organizer of the Boston

664
00:39:37,680 –> 00:39:40,160
Marathon, being like, you know
what would be cool this year?

665
00:39:40,280 –> 00:39:44,040
Yeah, fucking bombs.
Yeah, like fireworks, but

666
00:39:44,040 –> 00:39:46,680
bigger.
Yeah, that’ll help our event

667
00:39:46,680 –> 00:39:49,800
thrive in the future.
And then like and then like

668
00:39:49,800 –> 00:39:52,880
you’re sitting down to plan the
next Boston Marathon.

669
00:39:53,000 –> 00:39:55,800
Oh, Oh.
No one wants to come to our

670
00:39:55,800 –> 00:40:00,040
marathon anymore.
And there’s always the claim,

671
00:40:00,480 –> 00:40:03,040
and they make it here too, that
Oh well, they were running a

672
00:40:03,040 –> 00:40:06,440
drill before this and it’s like,
why the fuck would you plan

673
00:40:06,440 –> 00:40:08,600
something like this and run a
drill ahead of time?

674
00:40:10,280 –> 00:40:12,320
Well, you want to let everyone
know that there will be an

675
00:40:12,320 –> 00:40:15,520
explosion.
There’s also the Naked Man

676
00:40:15,680 –> 00:40:18,080
Conspiracy.
Oh yeah, yeah.

677
00:40:18,240 –> 00:40:19,840
And here’s what this is based
on.

678
00:40:20,040 –> 00:40:23,800
In a situation like this where
the police are involved in a

679
00:40:23,800 –> 00:40:30,000
manhunt, yes, and they’re
already fucking high strung

680
00:40:30,000 –> 00:40:34,400
emotional level that they go
into their day-to-day work with,

681
00:40:34,760 –> 00:40:37,000
right is so much more
heightened.

682
00:40:37,160 –> 00:40:42,160
What sometimes happens is they.
Target the wrong person when

683
00:40:42,160 –> 00:40:45,280
they’re conducting their
manhunt, and in this case there

684
00:40:45,280 –> 00:40:51,800
is grainy ass video of them
taking a naked guy into custody

685
00:40:51,800 –> 00:40:55,680
who looks a little bit like
Tamalan Tsarnaev.

686
00:40:56,360 –> 00:40:59,560
The reason he’s naked is because
the police told him to get naked

687
00:40:59,720 –> 00:41:02,520
because they were worried he
might have bombs on him or

688
00:41:02,520 –> 00:41:05,800
something, Like they put flak
jackets on before they

689
00:41:05,800 –> 00:41:08,960
approached him and it was just a
dude who was in the wrong place

690
00:41:08,960 –> 00:41:12,080
at the wrong time sitting.
Carr, who sort of looked like

691
00:41:12,080 –> 00:41:14,120
one of the Tsarnaev brothers.
Wrong.

692
00:41:14,240 –> 00:41:16,520
Wrong place, wrong time, wrong
complexion.

693
00:41:17,040 –> 00:41:21,200
And he actually got off kind of
easy because I will remind

694
00:41:21,200 –> 00:41:27,440
people that when the LAPD was
doing a manhunt for Christopher

695
00:41:27,440 –> 00:41:30,640
Dorner and I think this was
actually the Torrance PD that

696
00:41:30,640 –> 00:41:32,320
did this because it happened in
Torrance.

697
00:41:32,440 –> 00:41:36,080
But Torrance PD and LAPD?
That’s that’s like peanut butter

698
00:41:36,080 –> 00:41:40,520
and Jelly like the Torrance PD.
Are the cops that rough up N.W.A

699
00:41:40,520 –> 00:41:43,280
and straight out of Compton?
It’s not even the LAPD.

700
00:41:43,360 –> 00:41:47,880
So Torrance PD are basically the
LA, Torrance is part of LA,

701
00:41:49,600 –> 00:41:53,400
absolutely.
And so Torrance PD at one point

702
00:41:53,400 –> 00:41:57,960
during the Christopher Dorner
manhunt, shot up two Asian women

703
00:41:57,960 –> 00:42:02,480
who were delivering newspapers
because they were driving an SUV

704
00:42:02,480 –> 00:42:05,680
similar to one that was tied to
Christopher Dorner.

705
00:42:06,000 –> 00:42:08,240
And I think they were like buy a
cop’s house.

706
00:42:08,640 –> 00:42:12,480
Or something.
And so they killed 2 Asian women

707
00:42:12,640 –> 00:42:14,840
in the manhunt for Christopher
Dorner.

708
00:42:15,080 –> 00:42:19,120
So if they can make that
mistake, this is a much easier

709
00:42:19,120 –> 00:42:23,240
mistake you have to make.
And it’s just mind boggling that

710
00:42:23,240 –> 00:42:26,680
this guy didn’t get shot.
It’s yes, it’s he’s he’s lucky

711
00:42:26,680 –> 00:42:29,520
in in that sense.
And I think it’s probably they

712
00:42:29,520 –> 00:42:33,480
probably knew there were cameras
around, sure.

713
00:42:33,960 –> 00:42:37,440
Because the footage was shot by
ACNN reporter.

714
00:42:37,440 –> 00:42:40,600
Yeah.
So that’s probably why things

715
00:42:40,600 –> 00:42:43,000
went so smooth.
There weren’t any reporters,

716
00:42:43,320 –> 00:42:46,120
right?
They found Jokar in that boat,

717
00:42:46,680 –> 00:42:49,880
yes.
There’s also the New York Post

718
00:42:49,880 –> 00:42:52,520
conspiracy.
Yeah, this is one of the this is

719
00:42:52,560 –> 00:42:57,200
one of the larger lasting like
legacies of of this bombing.

720
00:42:57,200 –> 00:43:01,440
I think is that again, people
were so quick to jump on any

721
00:43:01,440 –> 00:43:05,320
leads that they went after
people who didn’t do anything.

722
00:43:05,720 –> 00:43:09,160
Yeah, yeah, The New York Post
just straight up put two

723
00:43:09,160 –> 00:43:12,360
people’s pictures on the cover
of their newspaper and we’re

724
00:43:12,360 –> 00:43:14,400
like, these are the suspects.
This is who did it.

725
00:43:14,520 –> 00:43:18,280
I remember this.
And they identified one of them

726
00:43:18,280 –> 00:43:21,880
as a Saudi national.
And they were actually like

727
00:43:21,880 –> 00:43:27,040
Moroccan born high school kids
who just lived in the area and

728
00:43:27,040 –> 00:43:29,800
like, ran track.
Hence their interest in the

729
00:43:29,800 –> 00:43:33,200
Boston Marathon.
Like, if, like, this was

730
00:43:33,200 –> 00:43:36,840
debunked by other media outlets
almost immediately, right?

731
00:43:36,960 –> 00:43:40,640
I think it was Gawker that was
like, hey, go to go to that kids

732
00:43:40,640 –> 00:43:44,200
Facebook page and tell me how
much of A bomber that person

733
00:43:44,360 –> 00:43:46,280
looks like.
Like he was posting pictures of

734
00:43:46,280 –> 00:43:51,680
himself at the Boston Marathon
and they were cleared by media

735
00:43:51,680 –> 00:43:53,360
outlets.
But people have like.

736
00:43:54,280 –> 00:43:58,240
Carried this on and like,
there’s suggestions that like

737
00:43:58,240 –> 00:44:03,720
John Kerry and Obama both met
with like Saudi officials after

738
00:44:03,720 –> 00:44:06,280
this happened.
And it’s like, yeah, I bet if an

739
00:44:06,280 –> 00:44:10,400
American media outlet identified
the Boston Marathon bomber as a

740
00:44:10,400 –> 00:44:13,720
Saudi national.
I bet Saudi Arabia had some

741
00:44:13,720 –> 00:44:16,480
questions.
One of them mean why aren’t you

742
00:44:16,520 –> 00:44:22,840
asking about 911 and then saying
thank you for not asking about

743
00:44:22,920 –> 00:44:26,280
911?
Yeah, here’s some more money.

744
00:44:26,680 –> 00:44:28,680
They’re like, you know what?
We’ll take credit for this one.

745
00:44:30,600 –> 00:44:33,280
This is fine.
Yeah, this is small potatoes.

746
00:44:33,320 –> 00:44:35,760
Yeah, this is nothing.
Yeah, Saudi Arabia probably did

747
00:44:35,760 –> 00:44:40,480
9/11, yeah.
There’s also Uncle Rosalyn, who

748
00:44:40,480 –> 00:44:42,600
he is an interesting figure,
yeah.

749
00:44:43,640 –> 00:44:47,160
A conspiracy theory site of the
day will link to their

750
00:44:47,160 –> 00:44:50,040
investigation.
Ruslan Sarney.

751
00:44:50,200 –> 00:44:55,120
He was an uncle of the Tsarnaev
brothers, and it seems like he

752
00:44:55,120 –> 00:44:57,960
was rightly identified as kind
of a bad dude.

753
00:44:58,160 –> 00:45:01,280
Yeah, with some unsavory
connections.

754
00:45:01,440 –> 00:45:04,680
But I invite anyone.
We’ll link to the article.

755
00:45:04,920 –> 00:45:09,840
I invite anyone to read it and
tell me where it says what that

756
00:45:09,840 –> 00:45:14,920
has to do with these bombs.
It’s all just Can you believe

757
00:45:14,920 –> 00:45:18,120
how bad this guy is?
Can you believe the connection?

758
00:45:18,440 –> 00:45:19,960
Can you believe the connections
he has?

759
00:45:19,960 –> 00:45:23,240
And it’s like, wait till you
hear about bin Laden’s

760
00:45:23,240 –> 00:45:28,720
connections that that should
raise some eyebrows too.

761
00:45:29,360 –> 00:45:32,720
And like, there’s nothing in
this article.

762
00:45:33,000 –> 00:45:36,760
I was shocked it still exists
because like, that’s one of the

763
00:45:36,760 –> 00:45:39,320
big lies about the Internet is
well, once it’s on the Internet,

764
00:45:39,320 –> 00:45:40,840
it’s there forever.
Bullshit.

765
00:45:40,920 –> 00:45:42,280
Not if someone stops paying
their.

766
00:45:42,400 –> 00:45:47,680
GoDaddy hosting fees, yeah.
Real quick.

767
00:45:47,840 –> 00:45:49,600
So much lost stuff on the
Internet.

768
00:45:49,720 –> 00:45:51,440
But this article’s still out
there.

769
00:45:51,440 –> 00:45:53,040
You can go read it.
It’s interesting.

770
00:45:53,160 –> 00:45:57,040
Like, if everything they say is
true, this guy does seem like a

771
00:45:57,040 –> 00:45:59,800
shady character.
But there’s nothing in the

772
00:45:59,840 –> 00:46:03,440
article about what that.
Like, what would have motivated

773
00:46:03,600 –> 00:46:07,320
them to act on his behalf?
Right to bomb the Boston

774
00:46:07,320 –> 00:46:10,520
Marathon?
Yeah, there’s lots of bad people

775
00:46:10,520 –> 00:46:14,720
in the world, but they don’t all
commit terrorist acts.

776
00:46:15,160 –> 00:46:17,840
Right.
And the last one I want to talk

777
00:46:17,840 –> 00:46:19,720
about.
There’s a few more, but there

778
00:46:19,720 –> 00:46:23,960
was also this conspiracy theory
about memorial pages being set

779
00:46:23,960 –> 00:46:26,320
up before the bombing actually
happened.

780
00:46:26,720 –> 00:46:29,280
And this is an easy one.
Facebook, at least at the time,

781
00:46:29,440 –> 00:46:33,560
if you set up a page, you could
decide when it was launched,

782
00:46:33,960 –> 00:46:36,240
right?
What date the public saw.

783
00:46:36,440 –> 00:46:39,000
So you could launch a Facebook
page today.

784
00:46:39,800 –> 00:46:44,240
Set the launch date to show as
the day before, for example.

785
00:46:44,400 –> 00:46:47,920
And so there were a couple
Facebook memorial pages that

786
00:46:47,920 –> 00:46:52,720
were set up a little too early
in people’s opinion, and that is

787
00:46:52,720 –> 00:46:55,560
proof of a conspiracy, which I
think leads to an obvious

788
00:46:55,560 –> 00:46:57,880
question.
Why would you set up a memorial

789
00:46:57,880 –> 00:47:01,320
page if you’re people doing the
conspiracy?

790
00:47:01,480 –> 00:47:03,840
You don’t.
Yeah, you don’t have to do that.

791
00:47:04,280 –> 00:47:06,240
Facebook.
Like, this is 2013.

792
00:47:06,240 –> 00:47:09,200
Facebook is technically still
new at this point.

793
00:47:09,200 –> 00:47:11,240
Like, you know, fairly new at
this point.

794
00:47:11,360 –> 00:47:12,680
Like it less?
Nothing.

795
00:47:12,800 –> 00:47:16,640
Else it’s like at the height of
its powers, exactly less than 10

796
00:47:16,640 –> 00:47:20,160
years old.
So, like, you do not like if

797
00:47:20,160 –> 00:47:24,080
you’re doing a conspiracy, you
have no reason to make memorial

798
00:47:24,080 –> 00:47:28,240
pages at all.
So you know, this doesn’t really

799
00:47:28,280 –> 00:47:31,480
follow.
And like I just it’s just it’s a

800
00:47:31,480 –> 00:47:35,000
thing that we run into where
people are just like these

801
00:47:35,000 –> 00:47:38,200
people are all powerful and all
knowing, and they do all of

802
00:47:38,200 –> 00:47:41,840
these insanely intricate
conspiracies and they left all

803
00:47:41,840 –> 00:47:47,640
of the clues to find.
Yeah, that part is always

804
00:47:47,640 –> 00:47:49,960
inexplicable.
Like, why would they leave?

805
00:47:50,440 –> 00:47:54,640
Clues doesn’t make any sense.
This is such an easy if they are

806
00:47:54,640 –> 00:47:59,840
that, if they are that clever in
their planning, why wouldn’t

807
00:47:59,840 –> 00:48:03,720
they think of this part?
And I’m curious, what civil

808
00:48:03,720 –> 00:48:09,920
liberties did we lose because of
the Boston Marathon bombing?

809
00:48:10,080 –> 00:48:11,000
Right.
None.

810
00:48:11,520 –> 00:48:15,600
Not because of that we were it.
It just demonstrated which ones

811
00:48:15,600 –> 00:48:18,600
we were already losing because
of the Patriot Act and the War

812
00:48:18,600 –> 00:48:21,680
on Terror.
Yeah, I mean, there’s a Hoover

813
00:48:21,680 –> 00:48:24,480
Institution.
Article about it.

814
00:48:24,600 –> 00:48:28,560
And like, I get that that’s, I
mean, that sounds like an

815
00:48:28,560 –> 00:48:33,360
official outlet, but it seems
like their only point is what’s

816
00:48:33,360 –> 00:48:37,560
gonna lead to increased
surveillance and more racial and

817
00:48:37,560 –> 00:48:39,400
ethnic profiling.
Totally.

818
00:48:39,480 –> 00:48:42,560
And it’s like, yeah, ’cause the
United States needs a push in

819
00:48:42,560 –> 00:48:44,440
that direction.
Yeah, we weren’t doing that

820
00:48:44,440 –> 00:48:48,880
already, that that’s for sure.
That actually seems mostly

821
00:48:48,880 –> 00:48:53,000
unrelated to me, like 911 put
all.

822
00:48:53,080 –> 00:48:55,640
That shit in place, if nothing
else.

823
00:48:55,800 –> 00:48:59,800
Like there’s there’s, to quote
the Foo Fighters third album,

824
00:48:59,800 –> 00:49:04,600
there’s nothing left to lose
like the government’s been

825
00:49:04,600 –> 00:49:08,400
spying on us for a long time.
I don’t like I I don’t.

826
00:49:08,560 –> 00:49:12,120
I can’t imagine, like, what kind
of additional impact the Boston

827
00:49:12,120 –> 00:49:16,600
Marathon bombing really would
have had, and especially like

828
00:49:16,600 –> 00:49:19,360
not in a way that the government
couldn’t have just done on their

829
00:49:19,360 –> 00:49:21,360
own anyway.
We don’t, and we’re doing.

830
00:49:22,200 –> 00:49:24,520
Shit from happening, right?
This.

831
00:49:24,560 –> 00:49:27,880
Government operates unchecked,
Absolutely.

832
00:49:27,880 –> 00:49:33,960
And if you even try to check
them on anything in any

833
00:49:33,960 –> 00:49:39,000
capacity, even by refusing to
vote, people will freak out at

834
00:49:39,000 –> 00:49:43,720
you about it.
So yeah, no, this is not a thing

835
00:49:43,720 –> 00:49:47,440
that changed anything.
Yeah, I don’t think the Boston

836
00:49:47,440 –> 00:49:52,400
Marathon bombing is what made us
all put Ring Doorbell camera in

837
00:49:52,920 –> 00:49:57,200
front of our houses.
It’s not one Amazon outfits.

838
00:49:57,200 –> 00:50:01,320
All of their vans with
surveillance cameras like this

839
00:50:01,320 –> 00:50:04,480
had nothing to do with like.
We were headed that way anyway,

840
00:50:04,480 –> 00:50:07,480
100%.
This just like it gives people

841
00:50:07,480 –> 00:50:11,000
something to talk about, yeah.
Content, basically.

842
00:50:11,360 –> 00:50:15,120
Case in point, This episode that
we’re doing right now, at least

843
00:50:15,120 –> 00:50:17,160
we’re ten years on making the
content.

844
00:50:17,920 –> 00:50:21,840
You know, like these people are
like in the heat of the moment

845
00:50:21,840 –> 00:50:25,120
being like it’s all fake.
Yeah, I think we’re more

846
00:50:25,120 –> 00:50:28,880
critiquing the content and even
the the content from the Hoover

847
00:50:28,880 –> 00:50:30,760
Institute.
It’s like, oh, this is gonna

848
00:50:30,800 –> 00:50:32,160
lead to more government
surveillance.

849
00:50:32,160 –> 00:50:35,600
Like they can also shut up.
And again, none of these even

850
00:50:35,600 –> 00:50:40,000
come like we we found our own
conspiracy in this episode of

851
00:50:40,480 –> 00:50:42,280
that they were probably FBI
informants.

852
00:50:43,160 –> 00:50:46,080
Like, honestly that like, the
more that I’ve thought about

853
00:50:46,080 –> 00:50:49,440
that as we’ve talked about this,
like the more that I just am

854
00:50:49,680 –> 00:50:51,960
going back to.
Yeah, no, they were probably FBI

855
00:50:51,960 –> 00:50:53,760
informants.
And that’s why we never really

856
00:50:53,760 –> 00:50:57,880
learned anything concrete about
them at all, even though we knew

857
00:50:57,880 –> 00:51:02,160
their names and like, we
apparently knew their it it just

858
00:51:02,160 –> 00:51:03,440
doesn’t make any sense.
So.

859
00:51:03,600 –> 00:51:06,280
Yeah, and the one.
One of the articles we’ll link

860
00:51:06,280 –> 00:51:10,600
to that talks about that idea
of, well, why didn’t the FBI,

861
00:51:10,600 –> 00:51:12,840
like, flag them when they came
back into the country?

862
00:51:12,840 –> 00:51:17,400
Yeah, this article dismisses it
as people like giving government

863
00:51:17,400 –> 00:51:19,680
bureaucracy too much credit.
Sure.

864
00:51:19,840 –> 00:51:23,040
And that’s always such a lazy
argument to me, the idea that,

865
00:51:23,040 –> 00:51:26,520
oh, the government’s not
organized enough to pull off

866
00:51:26,520 –> 00:51:29,560
stuff like this and it’s like
tell it to private prisons.

867
00:51:29,640 –> 00:51:32,560
Like, I don’t think that the
government is organized enough

868
00:51:32,560 –> 00:51:36,040
to pull off some of the things
that, you know, we’ve talked

869
00:51:36,040 –> 00:51:40,200
about as far as conspiracies go.
But I don’t think that what, you

870
00:51:40,200 –> 00:51:43,520
know, them being an FBI
informant necessarily means that

871
00:51:43,520 –> 00:51:46,200
they are like that.
I don’t think that requires any

872
00:51:46,200 –> 00:51:49,560
sort of complexity.
That’s business as usual for

873
00:51:49,560 –> 00:51:52,000
them.
So it’s not like they’re doing

874
00:51:52,000 –> 00:51:55,940
anything out of the ordinary to
make this a conspiracy quote, UN

875
00:51:55,940 –> 00:51:59,360
quote.
Now, even though none of the

876
00:51:59,360 –> 00:52:03,400
stuff we’ve talked about so far
seems to hold any weight, we are

877
00:52:03,400 –> 00:52:08,040
on next weeks bonus episode
covering another Boston Marathon

878
00:52:08,360 –> 00:52:12,640
related investigation that seems
like it might be a little more

879
00:52:12,640 –> 00:52:14,480
compelling.
Yeah, there is.

880
00:52:15,040 –> 00:52:18,440
A recent documentary series,
it’s on Hulu right now, called

881
00:52:18,440 –> 00:52:22,520
The Murders Before the Marathon,
and it’s about journalist Susan

882
00:52:22,520 –> 00:52:27,680
Zalkind and her investigation
into whether a triple homicide

883
00:52:27,800 –> 00:52:32,720
that happened shortly before the
marathon bombings was one,

884
00:52:33,040 –> 00:52:37,080
perpetrated by the Sarna of
brothers, and two, whether if

885
00:52:37,080 –> 00:52:40,400
police had investigated that
murder.

886
00:52:40,920 –> 00:52:43,880
A little more thoroughly.
Could that have prevented the

887
00:52:43,880 –> 00:52:47,440
Boston Marathon bombing?
Yeah, with the idea being, well,

888
00:52:47,440 –> 00:52:49,400
they would have been in custody
for this.

889
00:52:49,400 –> 00:52:52,920
And it probably would have
stopped the even bigger tragedy

890
00:52:52,920 –> 00:52:55,600
that happened next.
Although in terms of body count,

891
00:52:55,680 –> 00:53:00,800
33 both times that is true.
That is 3 both times.

892
00:53:01,120 –> 00:53:03,720
Yeah, that’s an interesting
theory.

893
00:53:03,720 –> 00:53:05,560
I I’m looking forward to
watching that movie.

894
00:53:05,720 –> 00:53:07,520
Yeah, I don’t know anything
about it.

895
00:53:07,520 –> 00:53:12,000
And at first I was assuming like
maybe Uncle Rosalyn is involved

896
00:53:12,000 –> 00:53:13,360
in that, but it seems like he’s
not.

897
00:53:13,640 –> 00:53:18,400
It seems like he’s not a part of
that story, but we’ll find out.

898
00:53:18,400 –> 00:53:21,200
I have not seen it going in cold
it.

899
00:53:21,200 –> 00:53:25,800
I mean it on the just on the
surface, it makes sense that two

900
00:53:25,800 –> 00:53:27,880
murderers might murder more
people.

901
00:53:28,440 –> 00:53:32,680
Yes, exactly.
And we will be covering that

902
00:53:32,680 –> 00:53:34,600
with special guest Heather
Marulli.

903
00:53:34,920 –> 00:53:35,640
Nice.
We’ll have a.

904
00:53:35,960 –> 00:53:37,920
Guest next time.
So that’s fun.

905
00:53:38,160 –> 00:53:40,720
And yeah, in the meantime, I
don’t believe any of these

906
00:53:40,720 –> 00:53:43,960
conspiracy theories about the
Boston Marathon bombing except

907
00:53:43,960 –> 00:53:48,560
the one that they might have.
And I think that’s our episode.

908
00:53:48,560 –> 00:53:50,640
Olivia, thank you so much.
Thank you.

909
00:53:50,840 –> 00:53:53,880
This is fun.
For doing the pod, what do we

910
00:53:53,880 –> 00:53:57,760
have to plug before we get out
of here?

911
00:53:59,400 –> 00:54:02,200
Yeah, I have Adam Todd
brown.substack.com.

912
00:54:02,320 –> 00:54:04,080
That’s all I got.
Olivia, what about you?

913
00:54:04,880 –> 00:54:08,480
My my Twitter is locked
currently.

914
00:54:08,520 –> 00:54:10,760
Free Palestine.
That’s oh, is that why it’s

915
00:54:10,880 –> 00:54:12,760
locked?
No, I’m just saying that’s my

916
00:54:12,760 –> 00:54:14,000
plug.
Free Palestine.

917
00:54:14,080 –> 00:54:17,360
I concur and I think that’s it.
Should we get the fuck out of

918
00:54:17,360 –> 00:54:19,360
here?
We should, Olivia.

919
00:54:19,600 –> 00:54:21,040
Say goodbye.
Bye.

920
00:54:21,280 –> 00:54:22,400
Goodbye, everybody.
We love you.

921
00:54:27,880 –> 00:54:31,240
People of Earth, your planet has
to be destroyed.

922
00:54:41,200 –> 00:54:42,920
Your planet has to be destroyed.