Conspiracy! The Show 260: Who Killed Superman?

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Welcome to Conspiracy the Show,
the world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast with
your hosts Adam Todd.

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Brown and Olivia Haidar.
Hey everybody, Welcome to

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Conspiracy the show.
I’m your host, Adam Todd Brown.

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Joining me is Cohost this week.
Ooh, my favorite cohost of all.

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No cohost, but I do have a guest
in the room of Tiff Meyers is

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here.
Up.

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It’s gonna be sad.
It’s good.

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Let’s get sad.
Yeah, this is gonna be a bummer.

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You all know a tiff.
He’s been on this show a bunch

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of times.
You’ve heard him on.

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You don’t even like this show on
unpopular opinion all over the

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place on this network, us.
And the last couple episodes we

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were delving back into the JFK
assassination.

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And so I thought, hey, let’s
keep it in your parents time and

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dive into another story from
relatively that time a few years

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earlier.
Sure, the death of George Reeves

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or as the title of the episode
says, who killed Superman.

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This is fun because when I came
up with the idea for this, I was

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like, you know, who’d be perfect
for this?

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A tiff?
Because he’s a big comic book

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guy.
So I reached out was like, you

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want to do an episode about the
death of George Reeves?

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And you were like, sure.
Who’s George Reeves?

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And then I think I said, who the
fuck is shorts?

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I felt bad for storing it.
I was like, why did I come off

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that aggressive to BS on a
podcast?

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I felt so bad.
I was like, why did I why did I

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say this?
Who the fuck is Shorts reason?

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Who are you?
I.

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Said yes.
Who the fuck?

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Yeah, yeah.
He was not Jack Superman.

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Yeah, he was like, he was like
dad bod Superman.

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Yeah, he was like the first
person to play Superman on TV

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and.
Like what?

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It was like silly Superman.
I feel like, yeah, yeah, it was

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before Superman really got his
footing in the entertainment

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world.
There was someone else who

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played Superman in like movies
before this, but George Reeves

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like, really popularized the
role.

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Sure.
And I mean, there were obviously

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the comic books before that.
Oh, of course.

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And it’s like.
But the comic books, I mean,

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back then they had to like,
follow adherence to like The

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Comics Code more strictly
because they’re worried that it

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can get, like, too dark.
That’s why, like a lot of those

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earlier issues of Superman and
Batman were just, like, fucking

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stupid and silly where it’s
like, Oh my God, Batman’s

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trapped in a cake because, like,
it’s just it couldn’t be, like,

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as dark as some of like, the
other more indie comics at the

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time were.
Yeah, and then it turns out the

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cake was income inequality.
Yeah, I don’t.

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Which I don’t know why Batman
would be trapped in that.

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He is no he, that is.
Thriving because of that.

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Not a problem that affects that
dude.

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So yeah, George Reeves.
He was an actor best known for

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playing the role of Superman in
the TV series Adventures of

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Superman from 1952 to 1958.
He died at the age of 45 and his

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death was ruled a suicide.
But as you can imagine from the

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fact that we’re covering it here
today, there are lots of

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questions surrounding his death.
A whole lot of people believe he

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was murdered and they believe
that for pretty good reason, I

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would say like before.
Yeah, before we get into the

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details, I’m just gonna say
right now, I think George Reeves

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was murdered.
He was definitely murdered, like

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everything was just as shady and
lazily.

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Like, hand it to the cops as
possible.

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Yes.
And before we get into that,

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before we dive into the murder,
we should talk about George

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Reeves a little bit, just to,
you know, humanize him.

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And also because no one
listening to this knows anything

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about George Reeves.
Probably, unless you’ve seen the

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2006 film Hollywoodland starring
Ben Affleck.

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Yeah, I don’t.
Yeah.

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If you if you’re one of two
people that have, God bless you,

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yeah, it’s one of those movies
that I feel like I’ve seen and I

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can’t remember anything about
about it, which doesn’t speak

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well for that movie.
It looked depressing.

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It looked really the trailer was
like the most depressing.

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But it looked yeah, I couldn’t.
This guy seemed depressing.

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Oh yeah, wildly so.
Especially for like, the time.

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I feel like you never hear about
depression from, like, major

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people from that era.
They were just boozing, yeah.

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His film career began in 1939
when he was cast as one of

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Scarlett O’hara’s suitors in
Gone With the Wind.

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Ever heard of it?
Everybody.

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It was a minor role, but also
he’s in the opening scene, so

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there’s that.
Oh, not that I remember it.

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My mom fucking loved Gone With
the Wind and I watched it with

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her once and was like, come on
mom.

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen it,
or if I saw it, I just blocked

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out of memory.
Yeah, I don’t know about you,

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but I’m just not a fan of movies
from this time.

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I feel like movies are a thing
that we as a society have mostly

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just gotten better at over the
years.

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And like, why I want to go back
and watch it from when we

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weren’t good at it, yeah.
Or like when there were any

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black people.
If there’s an option for

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blackface at that era, then I’m
not going to watch it.

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Yeah, it’s not.
And yeah, like a lot of the like

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Citizen Kane is the one that
comes up the most.

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I feel like that has become a
really polarizing film where

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half of society is like such an
artistic achievement and the

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other half is like cool.
They did Dolly shots.

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Big fucking deal.
Thank you, thank you.

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It’s like, Oh my God, look how
he pans in.

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Look at the zoom into this
window and then they come out

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the other it’s like, OK, I don’t
give a fuck.

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Yeah, the ending is still
fucking stupid.

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Nothing.
Don’t even remember that, oh,

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Rosebud was his childhood sled
or some shit.

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White Nonsense.
It falls under the category of

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white nonsense.
It sure does.

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Sorry if I lost most of your.
Listeners and or viewers?

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I don’t know if this video would
help.

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Not now.
So, like a whole lot of other

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entertainers of his day, George
Reeves was drafted in 1943 and

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served until the end of World
War 2, which kind of derailed

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his career a little bit.
But also, it seems like he,

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like, wanted to go to war, yeah.
He signed up, but it’s also like

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he didn’t really go to war.
Let’s just be real.

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He made movies and plays for the
military.

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He was Captain America, Captain
America one.

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We just had him dancing with
showgirls to like it, entertain

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the troops.
Like it wasn’t.

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It wasn’t really war.
I don’t know.

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Taking PTSD from death.
Yeah, yeah.

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When I read that part, at first
I was like, oh shit, he had to

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fight in World War 2.
And it’s like, not exactly.

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He just had to live somewhere
else and keep doing what he did

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during world.
Yeah, with like free housing and

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probably still got paid.
Maybe, yeah.

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One of my favorite conspiracy
theories that we’ve never dove

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into on an episode but we
should, is the one that claims

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Ted Williams, when he got
drafted, came back and brought

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amphetamines to baseball.
Like that’s how, because

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baseball had a big, big, big
amphetamine problem for a long

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time.
That yeah, I think kind of swept

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under the rug by way of the
steroid scandal.

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Sure, like everyone’s attention
is on that now.

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It’s like Barry Bonds shouldn’t
be in the Hall of Fame.

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It’s like, yeah, Roger Maris
probably shouldn’t either, cuz

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all your granddad’s heroes were
hopped up on amphetamines, Yeah.

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I hate, I hate Baseball Hall of
Fame, where they’re just so

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holier than now.
Oh yeah, yeah, it’s it’s the

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Rovers.
And here’s the thing.

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I dreamed of going to the
Baseball Hall of Fame my whole

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life.
And when I moved to California,

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I was living in New York at the
time.

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And we were like, fuck it.
Before we leave New York, let’s

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drive up to Cooper’s town and
hit the Baseball Hall of Fame.

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And the minute we parked, I was
like, this is a mistake.

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This is going to be really,
really boring.

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And it is.
It’s yeah, it’s like going to

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the baseball library like.
It’s baseball.

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This is Ford is pretty fucking
boring.

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Yeah, like, let’s be real.
It’s pretty, pretty boring.

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And they can.
Imagine museum entertaining and

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they do have a like exhibit for
Barry Bonds, but it’s like very

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reluctant, like you can tell
they didn’t want to have that

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there.
It’s like, get off your fucking

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high horse, you nerds.
No, they’re the worst.

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So he returns home from the war,
and that coincided with a point

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in time when movie studios were
kind of slowing down or

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altogether stopping their
production schedules.

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And so more and more time starts
passing between George Reeves

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getting these acting jobs.
At one point it got so bad he

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took a second job digging
cesspools.

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It’s like what is couldn’t have
been that bad.

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You know what is a cesspool?
You know, I read.

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I looked it up and I’m still not
quite sure.

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It seems like, you know, a thing
where human waste goes.

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But that’s what OK.
I don’t know how they work.

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I don’t know.
People had to dig that up or

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make it.
I just thought it was a thing

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that existed like next to like
quicksand like.

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I just thought it exists in a
while.

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Maybe he invented them, I don’t
know.

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Yeah, I can’t imagine your job
being that bad or keep finding

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work where you’re like, let’s go
fucking dig some shit holes to

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make money.
Yeah, I get the sense maybe this

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guy was kind of bad with money.
Just a Dick.

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I don’t know because they also.
Factory.

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They also talk about how he was
making like $4000 a week and

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they’re like, but that was only
during the weeks he was filming

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Superman, which is only like 8
weeks out of the year.

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And it’s like that sounds bad
but also like 32 grand a year.

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Back then, it was.
Five.

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It was 5 a week.
Oh, yeah.

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So in today’s money, like,
adjusted for inflation, he was

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making like 400 grand a year.
Yeah.

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Blowing it on who knows what.
Yeah, what the fuck’s he doing

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with his money?
He did have.

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Oozing.
Listening to records.

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Yeah, smoking his pipe.
By black and white TV’s putting

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78 on the Old Vic Trola at night
beaten women who won’t date him.

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Stuff like this, you know. 50
Shit.

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Having his wife hospitalized for
arguing with him.

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You know, just these dudes did
in the 50s, man.

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Shit.
There are minorities out of

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seats, yeah.
Exactly.

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Pushing back against civil
rights.

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Oh, stuff our parents did.
Well, maybe not all of our

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parents.
Yeah, not mine.

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I’ll think.
I hope not.

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Yeah.
Fucking traitor.

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So then he gets Superman, He
gets the role of Superman and

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one would assume, Oh well, he’s
got to be psyched by that.

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Like that.
That’s a career turn for the for

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the positive.
But now, not really.

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No, just but just a sad fucking
guy.

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But also, like I want to say, up
until maybe the last like 20

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years or so, the tides really
turned where people were

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actually happy to do TV.
You know, like, cuz for a long

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time it was like a fucking
people like Nope, you’re fucking

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TV act.
You’re gonna stick with that

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shit.
Yeah.

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And for a long time.
Yeah, you’re right.

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Like Hollywood actors, like
movie actors, were really

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reluctant to cross back over to
TV.

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And you’re right, that did seem
like it changed sometime in the

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2000s.
Super.

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Like cuz I remember God make me
sound like a Dick.

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Remember there’s an episode
about Entourage about that he

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was he was just like, I can’t go
to TV.

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I’m a movie actor, and I think,
like, the age of, like, prestige

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television changed that because
like once, like cable networks

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started figuring out like, oh,
hey, we could put out good shows

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too.
And we can put out stuff the

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networks, like the big networks
won’t put out.

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I think that’s when it started
changing for.

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So I couldn’t imagine in the 50s
when like, TV started becoming a

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thing that he’s gonna be like,
he’s like, ah fuck, I guess this

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is like like porn for him, you
know?

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Yeah, this would be a little bit
like asking a Hollywood actor to

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do a podcast in like 2010 and be
like, fucking podcast, you

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crazy.
And now everyone has a fucking

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podcast.
It’s a way better example than

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my porn example.
You’re completely right.

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I’m sorry about stupid examples.
Why am I so?

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I’m dumb.
He was offered the role of

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Superman in June 1951.
Took it very reluctantly because

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television was also a very new
thing and people were like, why

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do I have to look at moving
pictures in my home?

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You see, I can go to the theater
and they just, like viewed

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movies as the superior art form.
But he was like, fucking I’m

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broke.
I’ll do Superman, I guess.

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Again, it’s either digging shit
holes or being Superman and he’s

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like, fuck, I guess I’ll be
Superman.

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This guy’s not a good guy.
Yeah, he didn’t make the best

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career choices, I don’t think.
I mean, super taking Superman

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was arguably a good choice for
him.

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Like it.
It definitely made him a huge

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star for a while for.
And he just was like, well, I

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guess I’m Superman look like.
And so, yeah, the show finally

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airs in 1952, and he was very
surprised to find that he had

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become a national celebrity.
Just an idiots Again, TV was

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new, so he assumed no one was
gonna watch it, so that’s why he

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was so surprised by that.
It never even thought like this

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comic book is one of the biggest
comics in the world.

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His millions of people buying it
a week or a month or whatever.

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I don’t know why he wouldn’t
correlate those two.

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And also, he’s a Hollywood actor
at the time, so you know, he was

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surrounded by the people who
probably took to television

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first.
Yeah, because shit like that

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always goes to rich people
first.

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Like, the first TV was probably
$1900 in today’s money, so it’s

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only going to be his rich actor
friends and shit who have it.

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So like, wouldn’t one of them
been like, no, actually it’s

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pretty cool, you should come
over and watch mine sometime.

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But he was just like.
Yeah, TV just see.

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I think his unlikability is also
why?

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Like no one ever dug deeper.
It’s his death.

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Yeah, it’s not a good thing to
say about a dead guy, but people

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are like, ah, fuck them, who
cares?

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Yeah, this ungrateful bastard.
Yeah, he was also uncomfortable

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with the role because he thought
it was only earning him kid fans

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and that he was going to be,
like, forever typecast as a kids

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show actor.
And sure, he did get typecast,

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but just as the guy who plays
Superman, like he had plenty of

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adult fans.
But after a while, studios were

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like, listen, if we book you in
this movie, people are just

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going to be like Superman.
And it kind of fucked his career

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up in that way.
Well, he could have kept on

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doing Superman shit though,
yeah.

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And as much as they talk about
him hating this role and being

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depressed over it, some of that
is just people trying to explain

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what happened to him and trying
to, like, make it seem more

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plausible that suicide is what
happened to this guy.

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Because they also mention like,
yeah, he was bummed about this,

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but also he like was moving into
producing and directing and

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like, he directed I think, the
last 15 episodes of the Superman

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show.
So he had plans.

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Like, it’s not like he had
completely hit a wall, like he

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was planning on doing shit in
the future.

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Did he start his own production
company right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That’s a good point.

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It’s also like you didn’t have
to get, like, jacked to be

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Superman, right?
This was in the steroid air war.

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Now he could just be a dude and
be Superman.

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Yeah, he was all fucking fat
flying.

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Is it a bird?
That’s not a fucking bird.

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It’s a 45 year old dude been
drinking a bunch.

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Smoking Stigs, Yeah and yeah.
But he eventually came to view

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this role of Superman as, like,
kind of a waste of his time.

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Like he was just wasting his
life playing one of the most

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iconic characters in history.
But again, there’s a different

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time.
He didn’t know, like this comic

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books were a thing, but he
didn’t really have any way of

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knowing that Superman was going
to take off, take off the way it

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did.
I see he did.

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Dude, it just seems very silly
at the time where there’s like 4

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mainstream comic books that are
constantly selling out and he’s

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just like, I don’t know if it’s
gonna like, you know what I’m

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saying?
I don’t know.

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I guess, like, give it a shot.
At least don’t be sad about it

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right away.
Didn’t ask you to be like,

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fucking Marmaduke or some shit
like you could be fine.

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We got to cover the guy who
played Marmaduke next, so there

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are a couple really important
figures when it comes to the

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story of George Reeves and how
he died.

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The 1st is Tony Mannix.
At one point during his run as

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Superman, Reeves struck up an
affair with Tony Mannix.

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And that was risky business
because Tony Mannix’s husband

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was a guy named Eddie Mannix,
who was a fixer for MGM Studios.

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Meaning, you know, if you need
someone killed to keep something

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quiet, you call Eddie Mannix.
He had mob ties.

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He was a bad dude.
And so in 1958, he and Tony

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Mannix ended their affair, and
he announced his engagement to a

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woman named Leonor Lemon, who is
the other really important

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figure in this.
And so before we get into why

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that is, let’s talk about his
death, June 15th, 1959.

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Reeves and Lemon went out for a
night of drinking and returned

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home around 11:00 PM.
A couple hours later, two

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friends, Carol von Ronkel and
William Bliss, stopped by for a

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drink.
Apparently William Bliss was

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like, not part of this
friendship group.

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They didn’t really know William
Bliss.

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Here’s some dude.
He’s just some dude that a

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friend of theirs brought over.
And then there was also.

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These old timey names, by the
way.

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Oh yeah, Carol Van Ronco.
Yeah, only on 11.

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And they had a writer named
Robert Condon was also living in

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the house at the time, and he
was there the night this all

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happened.
He’s a Kato Kalin.

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Yeah, exactly.
And by the point those two

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friends arrived, Reeves was
already in bed and he was

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bothered by all the noise.
So he flies downstairs to ask

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everyone to quiet down.
He’s like, hey, I’m fucking

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Superman.
Can you tone it down?

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Potentially butt ass naked,
right?

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He could be naked during all
this, yeah.

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And if he was, people aren’t
saying so.

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And that seems like an important
detail to leave at.

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Like was his dark naked when he
came downstairs.

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Cuz if he wasn’t again, that
means he was wearing clothes and

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then was like, I’m gonna fucking
end it.

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I don’t want to ruin my sweater.
They got butt ass and then shut

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himself.
Yeah, he comes down.

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He’s mad that they’re being so
loud, but they’re like, George,

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fucking relax, have a drink with
us.

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It’s fine.
So he hasn’t drink with them.

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And then he went back upstairs.
And this is when the official

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explanation of what happened
gets really fucking weird and

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kind of unbelievable.
According to the people in the

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house, after he walks upstairs,
Leonora Lemon first blurted out

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he’s going upstairs to shoot
himself.

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And then?
Everyone hears like, the sound

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of like a drawer opening, and
she goes, see he’s opening the

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drawer to get the gun.
And then they hear a shot, at

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which point Leonora Lemon goes,
I told you he shot himself.

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And then they immediately call
the police 45 minutes later,

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That part alone.
I’m like, these motherfuckers

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know what happened in They’re
lying.

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A million percent cuz like,
first of all, how loud is his

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furniture?
Where you’re hearing fucking

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drawers open, you know, Yeah.
To call it, but then to admit

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that you called it and no one
cast suspicion on you.

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Like y’all know what the fuck
you did.

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Yeah, and the 45 minute thing,
like what were you doing in

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those 45 minutes?
Like if someone is like, oh, the

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gentleman upstairs just shot
himself in the head.

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Superman, you know Superman.
Turns out his kryptonite is

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handguns actually.
And then for the next 45

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minutes, you’re just like, all
right, but these drinks aren’t

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going to finish themselves.
Like, right, We can call the

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police later.
He’s not going anywhere.

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Yeah, and the weirdness doesn’t
end there.

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For one thing, we’ve already
kind of hinted at it.

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When police show up and find
George Reeves, he is stark

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fucking naked.
And it’s not like there’s an

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instruction manual for suicide.
There’s no laws, there’s no

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rules, there’s no regulations.
But God damn is it very rare for

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a person to strip naked and then
kill themselves?

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Yeah, like, no one’s that
considerate to like, the

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mortician that they’re like, let
me just get naked for this guy.

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I don’t mean him taking off my
clothes.

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Police also found two gunshot
holes in the carpet, as well as

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one in the ceiling.
And so that house.

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On the 2nd floor, Yeah, he was
on the second floor.

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So if he if he shot downward,
you would think the people

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downstairs that were boozing
would at least be like, yo, why

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the fuck we getting shot at,
right?

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Or when they tell their story to
police, they’d be like, yeah, we

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heard three shots, but that
everyone in the house says they

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only heard one.
Like if you heard one, you’re

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going to hear the other two.
Also in the week after when

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police were still investigating,
Leonora Lemon cut the evidence

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tape seal on the home, went in,
took $4000 worth of travelers

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checks, and then fucked off to
New York and never returned to

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California.
Which that’s weird too.

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There were also issues with the
autopsy, the main one being that

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it wasn’t conducted until after
the body had been thoroughly

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washed.
Who the fuck washed his body?

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Yeah, no.
Like the coroner’s not going to

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do that.
So, like, no.

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Who did?
Who gave this man a bath before

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he got?
He was.

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Naked, though, so they were
like, might want to get cleaned

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up.
Yeah, maybe spray him down.

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No, this is just, it’s just like
everything you want to do for

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like a cover up and then get
everybody involved is are like

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these steps like this, like the
perfect cover up.

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People also these days make a
big deal out of the fact that

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the coroner didn’t really check
for gunshot residue or gunpowder

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residue, but I’ve also read that
that wasn’t really a thing.

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Police did that much at the time
anyway.

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Like forensic science hadn’t
really like they knew about it,

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but it hadn’t caught on in a
widespread way where any time

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there’s a situation like this,
they check for that because that

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would have proven if he shot
himself or not, he would have

432
00:23:45,580 –> 00:23:48,100
had for.
Sure, gunpowder residue on his

433
00:23:48,100 –> 00:23:51,620
hands and near his head where he
fired if he was shooting at

434
00:23:51,660 –> 00:23:54,180
close blank range.
There was also significant

435
00:23:54,180 –> 00:23:58,180
bruising on his face and chest,
which everyone involved, even

436
00:23:58,180 –> 00:24:00,460
the coroner, was just like now I
don’t know.

437
00:24:00,620 –> 00:24:03,500
Who knows?
It’s like, what do you mean you

438
00:24:03,500 –> 00:24:05,610
don’t know?
Have to tell us.

439
00:24:05,610 –> 00:24:07,250
You have to find that out and
tell us.

440
00:24:08,170 –> 00:24:12,330
And again, this is Again, this
was like the first major TV star

441
00:24:12,530 –> 00:24:16,690
and like no one dug any deeper
onto this dude’s death.

442
00:24:16,930 –> 00:24:21,530
No, he also didn’t leave a note,
which people who commit suicide

443
00:24:21,530 –> 00:24:25,610
don’t always leave notes.
But he also showed no signs of

444
00:24:25,610 –> 00:24:28,370
being suicidal.
And I know, again, like it

445
00:24:28,370 –> 00:24:32,330
doesn’t always work that way.
Sure, but also there’s all the

446
00:24:32,370 –> 00:24:34,530
other stuff like you have to
take.

447
00:24:35,090 –> 00:24:39,010
Like you can’t just take each of
these things individually and

448
00:24:39,130 –> 00:24:42,570
judge them based on like, what
you know about suicide.

449
00:24:42,690 –> 00:24:47,850
Like you have to take the no
signs of suicide, no note, and

450
00:24:47,850 –> 00:24:51,050
all the weird forensic shit into
account together.

451
00:24:51,930 –> 00:24:55,770
And then it makes like doesn’t
make sense.

452
00:24:55,970 –> 00:24:58,490
It doesn’t make sense that
anyone got away with this.

453
00:24:58,830 –> 00:25:01,550
That’s the crazy part.
Yeah, like, no one dug deeper,

454
00:25:01,750 –> 00:25:04,750
right?
Like, it was just like they just

455
00:25:04,750 –> 00:25:06,990
took Vim at their word.
And then what?

456
00:25:07,030 –> 00:25:08,830
All right, cool.
Bye.

457
00:25:09,030 –> 00:25:14,910
Yeah, would you your absinthe or
whatever, which is a thing that

458
00:25:14,910 –> 00:25:19,550
is one of the the big problems
with the death of Kurt Cobain.

459
00:25:19,670 –> 00:25:24,310
Also at sure the time Kurt
Cobain died or was killed,

460
00:25:24,350 –> 00:25:26,750
whatever.
The Seattle PD had a policy

461
00:25:26,750 –> 00:25:31,230
where if like a patrol whole
officer came across a suicide

462
00:25:31,350 –> 00:25:35,270
and he decided it was a suicide,
they just didn’t send homicide

463
00:25:35,310 –> 00:25:38,070
investigators.
So like the cop that found Kurt

464
00:25:38,070 –> 00:25:40,310
Cobain was like, Oh yeah, he
killed himself and they just

465
00:25:40,310 –> 00:25:43,310
fucking left it at that and
never looked into it more.

466
00:25:43,390 –> 00:25:47,030
And kind of the same thing here
it seems like Jesus.

467
00:25:47,310 –> 00:25:50,550
And so there are three different
theories about what happened to

468
00:25:50,550 –> 00:25:53,430
George Reeves.
Obviously, the first being he

469
00:25:53,430 –> 00:25:57,210
shot himself and that’s what the
ruling was when it happened.

470
00:25:57,450 –> 00:26:00,050
And that remains the official
theory to this day.

471
00:26:00,090 –> 00:26:02,730
And I just.
I don’t buy it at all.

472
00:26:02,930 –> 00:26:04,490
No, I don’t buy it at all
either.

473
00:26:05,450 –> 00:26:11,530
Another theory is that Leonora
Lemon killed him, and I’m

474
00:26:11,690 –> 00:26:16,290
honestly on the fence about
which of these two these next

475
00:26:16,290 –> 00:26:21,370
two theories is correct.
Like Leonora, Lemon seems like

476
00:26:21,370 –> 00:26:25,680
the obvious suspect.
Yeah, because of the 45 minutes.

477
00:26:26,080 –> 00:26:30,360
Like her story is bonkers.
Like the idea that she was like,

478
00:26:30,360 –> 00:26:33,080
he’s gonna go kill himself and
he did, and they just chill for

479
00:26:33,080 –> 00:26:35,400
45 minutes.
It’s not how people react.

480
00:26:35,760 –> 00:26:37,960
No.
And it’s like if she didn’t kill

481
00:26:37,960 –> 00:26:39,440
him that she, like, had him
killed.

482
00:26:39,880 –> 00:26:42,000
Right.
And yeah, a lot of people

483
00:26:42,000 –> 00:26:47,280
suspect that 45 Minutes was the
time that the household spent

484
00:26:47,280 –> 00:26:51,320
cleaning up the scene and, you
know, removing any evidence that

485
00:26:51,360 –> 00:26:54,580
a murder had happened and making
it look like a suicide.

486
00:26:55,140 –> 00:27:01,140
The thing that makes me unsure
about that theory is the people

487
00:27:01,140 –> 00:27:05,020
in that room who all said
Leonora Lemon was like, he’s

488
00:27:05,020 –> 00:27:07,860
going upstairs to kill himself.
Those people aren’t criminals.

489
00:27:08,020 –> 00:27:10,940
Those people aren’t murderers.
They’re like actors and writers

490
00:27:11,180 –> 00:27:15,780
and shit.
The other theory involves actual

491
00:27:15,780 –> 00:27:19,100
fucking criminals.
Leonora Lemon.

492
00:27:19,100 –> 00:27:22,890
They definitely had a rocky
relationship, and a lot of that

493
00:27:22,890 –> 00:27:25,970
apparently centered around her
finding out that the guy who

494
00:27:25,970 –> 00:27:28,610
plays Superman on TV is not TV
rich.

495
00:27:28,850 –> 00:27:30,730
He’s just like kind of
struggling.

496
00:27:30,930 –> 00:27:35,250
And she’s been painted as a bit
of a gold digger over the years.

497
00:27:35,250 –> 00:27:37,850
And who knows how true that is?
We’re talking about 1950s

498
00:27:37,850 –> 00:27:39,090
Hollywood.
Right.

499
00:27:39,090 –> 00:27:41,050
And their view of women where
they’re like, ah, she had

500
00:27:41,050 –> 00:27:44,010
hysteria and it’s like exactly
tribes dying man.

501
00:27:44,010 –> 00:27:47,130
Like, who knows what she’s got?
Yeah, actors were kind of paid

502
00:27:47,210 –> 00:27:51,250
shitty back then, but also that
5000 a week.

503
00:27:51,580 –> 00:27:55,860
Again, it was a lot of money in
today’s money, so who knows?

504
00:27:56,100 –> 00:27:59,340
But also, everyone in that house
was super duper drunk.

505
00:27:59,660 –> 00:28:02,660
And people do dumb things when
they’re drunk.

506
00:28:02,660 –> 00:28:05,420
And sure, suicide is one of
them, but murder could be.

507
00:28:05,580 –> 00:28:08,860
Also, you never know.
I can’t reconcile that 45

508
00:28:08,860 –> 00:28:12,580
minutes with them being not
involved.

509
00:28:12,700 –> 00:28:14,300
Like there’s no fucking way,
yeah.

510
00:28:14,340 –> 00:28:16,380
Like.
Even if you’re like, say, at the

511
00:28:16,380 –> 00:28:19,180
house party and then that
happens, but then you hear like

512
00:28:19,180 –> 00:28:22,060
a collapse up the stairs, you’d
go check that out.

513
00:28:22,060 –> 00:28:23,300
Big.
Oh fuck do they fall over.

514
00:28:23,300 –> 00:28:24,660
Like, what the fuck was that
noise?

515
00:28:24,820 –> 00:28:26,700
Yeah, and right.
Am I crazy?

516
00:28:26,940 –> 00:28:29,820
And I think there are like
reports that some of the friends

517
00:28:29,820 –> 00:28:32,380
in the house did run up in check
on him and it’s like, but then

518
00:28:32,380 –> 00:28:35,620
you waited 45 minutes to call
police like that doesn’t make

519
00:28:35,620 –> 00:28:37,020
any sense.
No.

520
00:28:37,780 –> 00:28:41,140
And so there’s that theory.
The theory that Leonora Lemon

521
00:28:41,480 –> 00:28:45,160
killed him and her friends who
were present that night just

522
00:28:45,520 –> 00:28:50,120
helped her cover it all up and
concocted this crazy ass story

523
00:28:50,120 –> 00:28:53,120
and police just bought it.
But also there’s the other

524
00:28:53,120 –> 00:28:57,680
theory, the theory that Eddie
Mannix had Reeves killed over

525
00:28:57,680 –> 00:29:01,640
his affair with Tony Mannix.
And on the one hand, that makes

526
00:29:01,640 –> 00:29:04,120
sense, like, you would hear that
and go, well, of course this

527
00:29:04,120 –> 00:29:08,400
guy’s super fucking powerful.
Like, of course he would have

528
00:29:08,600 –> 00:29:10,320
someone killed for fucking his
wife.

529
00:29:10,440 –> 00:29:15,040
But not so fast.
Yeah, because it turns out Eddie

530
00:29:15,040 –> 00:29:20,960
Mannix, like he was working at
MGM in the days when the casting

531
00:29:20,960 –> 00:29:24,840
couch was like, not only an
accepted part of Hollywood, it

532
00:29:24,840 –> 00:29:27,960
was like, expected.
Like if you had a job like Eddie

533
00:29:27,960 –> 00:29:31,670
Mannix, you just got to bone
actresses in exchange for

534
00:29:31,670 –> 00:29:34,990
putting them in movies.
And this motherfucker did that

535
00:29:35,070 –> 00:29:38,990
openly to the point that he
didn’t care that his wife was

536
00:29:38,990 –> 00:29:42,670
fucking George Reeves.
They would go on double dates.

537
00:29:43,030 –> 00:29:46,470
He would bring his mistresses,
she would bring George Reeves.

538
00:29:46,750 –> 00:29:50,030
They would go out on dates.
Which is fucking bizarre.

539
00:29:50,150 –> 00:29:53,070
It’s very weird.
It’s so fucking weird.

540
00:29:53,360 –> 00:29:55,880
Like to the point that I’m like,
were his dates dudes?

541
00:29:56,040 –> 00:29:58,040
Is that what was happening here?
Right.

542
00:29:58,200 –> 00:30:00,600
Like something like that?
Or they’re just all just

543
00:30:00,600 –> 00:30:04,360
swinging.
And Tony Mannix was also one of

544
00:30:04,360 –> 00:30:08,400
his mistresses before they got
married, so she knew what kind

545
00:30:08,400 –> 00:30:12,920
of dude her husband was.
And so on that front, it makes

546
00:30:12,920 –> 00:30:18,210
it seem like Eddie Mannix
wouldn’t have done this because

547
00:30:18,210 –> 00:30:22,730
he didn’t care about the affair.
But The thing is that the the

548
00:30:22,730 –> 00:30:26,210
big quirk there, Tony Mannix
wasn’t just George Reeves

549
00:30:26,210 –> 00:30:28,490
girlfriend.
She was like his benefactor.

550
00:30:29,450 –> 00:30:32,970
Yeah, he was a kept man.
She paid his bills.

551
00:30:32,970 –> 00:30:36,530
She bought him the house he died
in like she did.

552
00:30:36,530 –> 00:30:38,810
What a life I know.
Must be rough.

553
00:30:38,810 –> 00:30:44,060
For him.
And The thing is, she did all of

554
00:30:44,060 –> 00:30:48,820
that with the expectation that
they’d get married When Eddie

555
00:30:48,820 –> 00:30:52,660
Mannix eventually died of one of
the heart attacks he apparently

556
00:30:52,660 –> 00:30:56,540
had all the time.
Just like get Cheney levels of

557
00:30:56,540 –> 00:30:59,580
heart attacks.
Just you fucking a stiff wind

558
00:30:59,580 –> 00:31:02,660
hits him and he’s like.
This is why.

559
00:31:02,820 –> 00:31:04,140
But This is why.
Another reason why I can’t

560
00:31:04,140 –> 00:31:07,540
really root for this guy is
because he fucking got to play

561
00:31:07,580 –> 00:31:11,820
Superman banging this rich lady.
She buys in everything and then

562
00:31:11,820 –> 00:31:14,990
he’s still like.
Kind of a sad dude, what more?

563
00:31:14,990 –> 00:31:17,750
Do you want?
Yeah, cheer up, man.

564
00:31:18,710 –> 00:31:23,510
Yeah, and so he eventually
leaves her despite all of this.

565
00:31:23,750 –> 00:31:26,390
Despite her believing they’re
going to get married when Eddie

566
00:31:26,390 –> 00:31:30,910
Mannix dies, he breaks up with
her and gets engaged to Leonora

567
00:31:30,910 –> 00:31:34,690
Lemon.
So the other theory isn’t so

568
00:31:34,690 –> 00:31:39,010
much that Eddie Mannix had him
killed because he was sleeping

569
00:31:39,010 –> 00:31:41,770
with his wife.
It’s more than Eddie Mannix had

570
00:31:41,770 –> 00:31:48,090
him killed because he broke his
wife’s heart, which that is kind

571
00:31:48,090 –> 00:31:53,290
of compelling because she did
not take the breakup well.

572
00:31:53,370 –> 00:31:58,110
She starts calling George Reeves
like 20 times a day, trying to

573
00:31:58,110 –> 00:32:02,630
get him to come back.
She is 1950s, hysterical at the

574
00:32:03,030 –> 00:32:04,470
next.
Levels of cock.

575
00:32:04,510 –> 00:32:07,790
If that’s true, yeah.
And Eddie again has like, mob

576
00:32:07,790 –> 00:32:09,950
ties.
Like if anyone could have gotten

577
00:32:09,950 –> 00:32:12,030
George Reeves killed, it was
Eddie Mannix.

578
00:32:12,230 –> 00:32:13,910
And like, yeah, that is such
cock shit.

579
00:32:13,910 –> 00:32:14,990
Come on.
Dude, right.

580
00:32:16,230 –> 00:32:18,550
You’re gonna kill the guy that
broke your wife’s heart, even

581
00:32:18,550 –> 00:32:20,470
though he’s blowing your wife’s
back out and you knew.

582
00:32:21,230 –> 00:32:24,260
That’s crazy.
It is really crazy.

583
00:32:25,220 –> 00:32:29,060
But The thing is, it’s almost
less crazy than the official

584
00:32:29,060 –> 00:32:32,340
story, which is that Leonora
Lemon was just like, he’s gonna

585
00:32:32,340 –> 00:32:34,670
go kill himself.
You see, that’s how everyone

586
00:32:34,670 –> 00:32:37,710
talked back then.
They’re all in black and white

587
00:32:37,710 –> 00:32:40,470
too.
Yeah, yeah, I was.

588
00:32:40,670 –> 00:32:44,150
Like, again, this also supports
your theory that this guy was

589
00:32:44,150 –> 00:32:48,150
just dog shit with money.
Because if you’re making like 4K

590
00:32:48,150 –> 00:32:50,870
a year, and then you have some
lady that you’re boning paying

591
00:32:50,870 –> 00:32:53,110
all your bills, what are you
doing with that money?

592
00:32:53,150 –> 00:32:55,150
Yeah, why are you digging
cesspools?

593
00:32:55,190 –> 00:32:58,510
I think he probably stopped
after he met Tony Mannix, but.

594
00:32:58,710 –> 00:33:01,110
And I even met like during
Superman time because like

595
00:33:01,590 –> 00:33:03,990
Leonora was just upset that he
wasn’t as rich as he was.

596
00:33:04,070 –> 00:33:05,750
Was.
I don’t know, man.

597
00:33:05,830 –> 00:33:08,950
Yeah, I’m very confused by this
guy’s fucking motives and

598
00:33:08,950 –> 00:33:11,350
choices.
There is one detail that kind of

599
00:33:11,350 –> 00:33:15,830
supports the idea that the
Mannixes were involved.

600
00:33:16,070 –> 00:33:17,670
There’s a woman named Phyllis
Coats.

601
00:33:17,670 –> 00:33:21,550
She played Lois Lane in The
Adventures of Superman, and she

602
00:33:21,550 –> 00:33:23,590
was friends with everyone
involved.

603
00:33:23,790 –> 00:33:28,830
She claims that the morning
after George Reeves was killed,

604
00:33:29,200 –> 00:33:31,760
she got a call from Tony Mannix.
Here’s a quote.

605
00:33:31,920 –> 00:33:34,480
She was hyperventilating and
ranting.

606
00:33:35,000 –> 00:33:37,640
She said the boy is dead.
He’s been murdered.

607
00:33:40,320 –> 00:33:44,640
And she did call him her boy
like she gave him a pocket watch

608
00:33:44,640 –> 00:33:47,720
at one point that had an
inscription that was like to my

609
00:33:47,720 –> 00:33:50,840
dear boy, how?
Was she way older?

610
00:33:50,840 –> 00:33:53,960
It’s like a cougar thing.
I think she was like 8 years

611
00:33:53,960 –> 00:33:56,680
older than him.
So we’ll see what she looks

612
00:33:56,680 –> 00:33:57,990
like.
She would have been, yeah.

613
00:33:57,990 –> 00:34:00,630
I didn’t look her up.
She would have been in her 50s,

614
00:34:00,790 –> 00:34:02,750
I’m assuming.
Or wait, no, she’s.

615
00:34:02,790 –> 00:34:05,150
OK, let’s check her out.
She’s OK.

616
00:34:05,510 –> 00:34:07,350
A lot of forehead.
Yeah.

617
00:34:07,350 –> 00:34:10,310
I mean, she’s got more of an 8
head, but yeah, beyond that.

618
00:34:10,310 –> 00:34:13,190
Yeah, she’s all right.
Now let’s look up Leonora Lemon.

619
00:34:13,429 –> 00:34:15,389
MMM.
Oh, she’s all right, too.

620
00:34:15,389 –> 00:34:17,510
Here’s the thing.
They look almost exactly alike.

621
00:34:17,710 –> 00:34:20,270
To the point that I don’t know
that the pictures I just looked

622
00:34:20,270 –> 00:34:24,190
at of Yeah, Tony Mannix weren’t
actually Leonora Lemon.

623
00:34:25,670 –> 00:34:27,830
Who knows?
But they look exactly the

624
00:34:27,830 –> 00:34:29,230
fucking same.
Yeah, yeah.

625
00:34:29,270 –> 00:34:32,030
So just fucking stay with Tony
Mannix, dude.

626
00:34:32,230 –> 00:34:34,469
Yeah, you moved laterally and
got murdered.

627
00:34:34,989 –> 00:34:38,350
Exactly.
Wasn’t even lateral because he,

628
00:34:38,630 –> 00:34:42,230
like, ends up with someone who
wants his money like she wants

629
00:34:42,230 –> 00:34:45,190
Tony Mannix’s.
Mom, that’s a good point.

630
00:34:45,310 –> 00:34:48,949
Yeah, dudes, makes the dumbest
fucking choices.

631
00:34:48,989 –> 00:34:51,280
Yeah, He took a step back.
Damn.

632
00:34:51,639 –> 00:34:53,239
This is why there was no
investigation.

633
00:34:53,239 –> 00:34:54,960
They’re like, dude, how could
you not see this coming?

634
00:34:55,040 –> 00:34:57,360
You like you fucked up years
ago?

635
00:34:58,000 –> 00:35:03,120
Yeah, he earned it.
And so Eddie Mannix again did

636
00:35:03,120 –> 00:35:07,120
have mob connections.
And there were rumors that he

637
00:35:07,120 –> 00:35:10,760
had his first wife murdered by
those mob connections.

638
00:35:11,160 –> 00:35:14,440
She died after being
mysteriously run off the road

639
00:35:14,600 –> 00:35:19,170
after arguing with, and he
panics at like a restaurant some

640
00:35:19,170 –> 00:35:22,810
of his mob friends owned.
It’s like, oh, that’s not

641
00:35:22,810 –> 00:35:26,370
suspicious at all.
Dude, murder back in the day was

642
00:35:26,370 –> 00:35:27,770
probably the easiest thing to
do.

643
00:35:28,090 –> 00:35:29,970
Oh yeah.
You just fucking kill someone

644
00:35:29,970 –> 00:35:31,730
and drive a mile away and you’re
innocent.

645
00:35:33,370 –> 00:35:38,010
It’s yeah, there’s no forensics.
No, it’s like that John Mulaney

646
00:35:38,010 –> 00:35:40,930
bit where he talks about cops
back in the day where someone

647
00:35:40,930 –> 00:35:44,250
would be like, we found a pool
of blood on the floor and the

648
00:35:44,250 –> 00:35:46,550
detective would be like,
interesting.

649
00:35:46,910 –> 00:35:49,630
Now back to my hunch.
It’s like, what are you gonna do

650
00:35:49,670 –> 00:35:51,350
with that blood?
You just know there’s blood.

651
00:35:52,030 –> 00:35:55,510
And the question people have
about the idea that maybe the

652
00:35:55,510 –> 00:35:59,910
Mannixes were involved is, well,
how would this killer get into

653
00:35:59,910 –> 00:36:04,790
the house without that whole
party full of people knowing?

654
00:36:04,950 –> 00:36:08,270
And I think my pushback would
be, what if they did know?

655
00:36:08,430 –> 00:36:12,750
Like, what if he just showed up
and was like, hey, I am a mafia

656
00:36:12,750 –> 00:36:17,170
guy and I am here to kill George
Reeves, and if you don’t like

657
00:36:17,170 –> 00:36:19,290
it, I’m gonna kill all of you
also.

658
00:36:19,450 –> 00:36:23,010
And I could see that house full
of drunken revelers being like,

659
00:36:23,010 –> 00:36:27,450
shit.
OK, yeah, because the story they

660
00:36:27,450 –> 00:36:31,050
come up with makes no it makes
just as much sense as someone

661
00:36:31,050 –> 00:36:33,690
sneaking into the house and
killing him unnoticed.

662
00:36:34,050 –> 00:36:35,450
For sure.
And it could have just said

663
00:36:35,450 –> 00:36:38,370
that, yeah, somebody’s not gonna
murder them, right?

664
00:36:38,530 –> 00:36:42,690
And but then you have, like,
then you’re a snitch and you

665
00:36:42,690 –> 00:36:44,850
have the mob on your fucking
back.

666
00:36:45,050 –> 00:36:46,490
Like that guy could have been
like.

667
00:36:46,570 –> 00:36:50,490
And if you don’t say that he
killed himself, I will come back

668
00:36:50,490 –> 00:36:53,050
for you and like, what do you
do?

669
00:36:53,210 –> 00:36:56,650
Like if that happened, if that
guy was like, listen, I’m gonna

670
00:36:56,650 –> 00:36:59,530
fucking kill George Reeves, cuz
he broke Tony Mannix’s heart.

671
00:37:01,210 –> 00:37:04,730
Party full of fucking actors and
writers isn’t gonna do shit.

672
00:37:04,850 –> 00:37:06,490
They’re gonna be like, all
right, what do you need us to

673
00:37:06,490 –> 00:37:07,450
say?
Yeah.

674
00:37:07,450 –> 00:37:08,130
Let’s see.
Let’s see.

675
00:37:08,130 –> 00:37:09,650
Yes.
And it’s whatever you say.

676
00:37:09,890 –> 00:37:12,620
Yeah, yeah, You know, they were
all good at improv.

677
00:37:12,620 –> 00:37:16,300
They’re actors.
There are also people who

678
00:37:16,300 –> 00:37:20,940
suspect that that stranger who
showed up, William Bliss, he was

679
00:37:20,940 –> 00:37:23,420
the one guy that that friend
brought that everyone knew.

680
00:37:23,580 –> 00:37:27,300
There are people who suspect
that he distracted everyone

681
00:37:27,460 –> 00:37:30,340
while the killer snuck into the
house.

682
00:37:30,500 –> 00:37:34,580
And I mean that would account
for those 45 minutes for sure.

683
00:37:34,740 –> 00:37:37,660
I mean, that does sound like a
super fake name.

684
00:37:37,860 –> 00:37:40,270
Yeah, William Bliss.
Yeah, Bill Bliss.

685
00:37:40,310 –> 00:37:43,870
Yeah, Bill Bliss.
Billy blame on is like might as

686
00:37:43,870 –> 00:37:46,190
well name himself like not gonna
murder someone.

687
00:37:46,310 –> 00:37:50,110
Like, that’s just his name.
And the idea that William Bliss

688
00:37:50,110 –> 00:37:56,030
was involved somehow was lent a
little credence by the fact that

689
00:37:56,030 –> 00:38:00,270
30 years later, Leonora Lemon
admitted to a reporter that her

690
00:38:00,270 –> 00:38:03,910
story about predicting George
was about to go up and shoot

691
00:38:03,910 –> 00:38:07,670
himself was actually concocted
by William Bliss.

692
00:38:07,950 –> 00:38:10,910
And apparently this reporter at
no point was like, oh, So what

693
00:38:10,910 –> 00:38:12,910
really happened?
Apparently they were just like,

694
00:38:13,190 –> 00:38:16,990
written down thanks and asked no
other questions.

695
00:38:18,350 –> 00:38:23,750
Also in 1999, a Beverly Hills
publicist named Edward Lottsy

696
00:38:23,830 –> 00:38:27,910
claimed that on her deathbed,
Tony Mannix confessed to her

697
00:38:27,910 –> 00:38:32,710
priest while Lottsy was present
that she had George killed.

698
00:38:34,240 –> 00:38:38,040
Which that’s also possible
because she would have had the

699
00:38:38,040 –> 00:38:42,760
same access to all those killers
that Eddie Mannix had access to,

700
00:38:42,760 –> 00:38:46,360
Like she would have known
someone who, if she was like,

701
00:38:46,360 –> 00:38:48,240
listen, you gotta kill this guy
for me.

702
00:38:48,520 –> 00:38:50,040
Like she could have had him
killed.

703
00:38:50,120 –> 00:38:51,640
Absolutely.
For sure.

704
00:38:51,800 –> 00:38:55,040
And he’s this guy.
Edward Lotzi claims she

705
00:38:55,040 –> 00:38:58,600
confessed because she was,
quote, absolutely terrified of

706
00:38:58,600 –> 00:39:01,440
going to hell.
So I don’t.

707
00:39:01,480 –> 00:39:04,470
I feel like I like Tony Mannix
for it, I think.

708
00:39:04,670 –> 00:39:05,870
I think she might have been the
one.

709
00:39:06,430 –> 00:39:07,990
For sure.
And then there was also

710
00:39:07,990 –> 00:39:11,990
something I read that said that
like George Reeves’s mom tried

711
00:39:11,990 –> 00:39:14,510
to get it reopened.
Yes, she tried to get the case

712
00:39:14,510 –> 00:39:16,270
reopened and then they just shut
her down.

713
00:39:16,990 –> 00:39:19,110
Like, no reasoning.
There’s like, Nah, we can’t do

714
00:39:19,110 –> 00:39:19,950
that.
Yeah.

715
00:39:20,110 –> 00:39:22,470
Which, yeah, that’s super
suspicious.

716
00:39:22,470 –> 00:39:25,750
Yeah.
Like this is obviously a huge

717
00:39:25,750 –> 00:39:29,110
cover up of some sort.
Like someone here is lying and I

718
00:39:29,110 –> 00:39:33,100
think it’s everyone.
I think everyone knows exactly

719
00:39:33,100 –> 00:39:36,460
what happened to George Reeves
that night and or at least

720
00:39:36,460 –> 00:39:38,420
everyone knew.
I’m pretty sure most of these

721
00:39:38,420 –> 00:39:41,060
people are dead now.
Sure.

722
00:39:41,140 –> 00:39:44,940
And like, there’s not going to
be enough time that passes where

723
00:39:44,940 –> 00:39:47,140
you can finally be like, all
right, here’s what actually

724
00:39:47,140 –> 00:39:48,540
happened.
The mafia killed him.

725
00:39:48,700 –> 00:39:52,060
Like the mobs not going away.
Like they’re still going to be

726
00:39:52,060 –> 00:39:56,540
around and we’ll come back for
you if you make that confession.

727
00:39:56,900 –> 00:40:01,200
And also at that point, everyone
in the house is an accessory to

728
00:40:01,200 –> 00:40:03,880
that murder, Sure.
Because they’re all probably

729
00:40:03,880 –> 00:40:05,920
fucking dead by now.
Right, right, right.

730
00:40:06,000 –> 00:40:08,760
But there’s no statute of
limitations.

731
00:40:08,800 –> 00:40:11,000
Like, there’s no statute of
limitations for murder.

732
00:40:11,160 –> 00:40:15,160
So I know there are people who
want to believe, like, oh, if

733
00:40:15,160 –> 00:40:17,320
that’s what really happened,
someone would have said

734
00:40:17,320 –> 00:40:19,640
something.
Well, for one thing, people did

735
00:40:19,640 –> 00:40:22,240
say something.
Tony Mannix allegedly confessed.

736
00:40:22,640 –> 00:40:25,640
Leonora Lemon allegedly
confessed that her story was

737
00:40:25,640 –> 00:40:28,690
made-up.
So people did say something, but

738
00:40:28,730 –> 00:40:31,610
also how much are you wanting
people to say?

739
00:40:31,850 –> 00:40:36,610
Like you are literally
identifying yourself as someone

740
00:40:36,610 –> 00:40:39,810
who participated in a murder if
you’re ever going to be like.

741
00:40:40,240 –> 00:40:42,600
All right, what actually
happened is a guy showed up and

742
00:40:42,600 –> 00:40:45,240
killed him, and we just agreed
to stay silent about it.

743
00:40:45,360 –> 00:40:47,760
It’s like, well, then you also
murdered that guy.

744
00:40:47,960 –> 00:40:51,680
Like, that’s how the law works.
Like, accessory to murder is

745
00:40:51,680 –> 00:40:53,680
just as bad.
Yeah, that’s.

746
00:40:53,760 –> 00:40:56,720
True.
Like the only way you would fix

747
00:40:56,720 –> 00:41:02,200
that would be like testifying
against the mob in the 50s,

748
00:41:02,320 –> 00:41:05,280
which can’t know it’s a sketchy
proposition.

749
00:41:06,240 –> 00:41:09,360
And again, what evidence do they
have rather than your word to

750
00:41:09,560 –> 00:41:12,760
like you can’t go dig up his
body and see if there’s any

751
00:41:12,760 –> 00:41:15,920
residual like fucking gun
casings or anything or

752
00:41:15,920 –> 00:41:17,960
gunpowder.
Like, no, it’s fucking done.

753
00:41:18,240 –> 00:41:21,600
And like, here’s the thing.
We’re talking about cops.

754
00:41:21,680 –> 00:41:23,520
And like, Oh well, why didn’t
the cops see this?

755
00:41:23,520 –> 00:41:25,680
Why didn’t the cops see that?
Because cops are corrupt.

756
00:41:25,880 –> 00:41:28,720
Like, we’re talking to LAPD in
the 50s.

757
00:41:29,040 –> 00:41:31,880
And they they might as well have
been studio executives

758
00:41:31,880 –> 00:41:36,160
themselves.
Like Hollywood got away with so

759
00:41:36,160 –> 00:41:40,830
much shit back around this time.
Like actors didn’t go to prison.

760
00:41:41,190 –> 00:41:46,430
Like, no, never, never.
So I think it’s pretty clear

761
00:41:46,430 –> 00:41:48,550
George Reeves was murdered for
sure.

762
00:41:48,630 –> 00:41:50,750
It’s just a matter of who did
it.

763
00:41:51,030 –> 00:41:53,470
Now I kind of want to watch
Hollywoodland again.

764
00:41:53,630 –> 00:41:55,110
Don’t.
Are you sure?

765
00:41:56,110 –> 00:41:57,550
It’s gonna be good?
Don’t fall for this fucking

766
00:41:57,550 –> 00:41:59,150
trap.
You know the story now.

767
00:41:59,430 –> 00:42:01,590
Am I the George Reeves of this
story?

768
00:42:02,510 –> 00:42:05,890
Is the Hollywoodland movie.
My fucking Leonora Lemon.

769
00:42:05,890 –> 00:42:08,330
I’m gonna watch it and be like,
oh, I made a huge mistake.

770
00:42:08,970 –> 00:42:12,490
How like Adrian Brody plays the
one detective that cares.

771
00:42:12,770 –> 00:42:15,850
OK, there was number detective
that cared come, that’s the

772
00:42:15,850 –> 00:42:19,970
thing that they sort of based it
off like one guy, but like you

773
00:42:19,970 –> 00:42:22,570
know, none of them gave a fuck.
Shout out to Adrian Brody

774
00:42:22,570 –> 00:42:24,610
playing Pat Riley in winning
time though.

775
00:42:24,810 –> 00:42:27,690
Holy shit, he nailed that.
I have not seen an episode.

776
00:42:27,930 –> 00:42:31,060
It’s so good.
It got canceled, which bums me

777
00:42:31,060 –> 00:42:33,500
out.
It’s so good I had to cancel

778
00:42:33,500 –> 00:42:35,580
what it canceling fucking
everything to try to save money.

779
00:42:35,820 –> 00:42:39,540
Yeah.
So I think that’s our episode.

780
00:42:39,900 –> 00:42:43,900
I’m like, we’re obviously not
going to solve the case, but it

781
00:42:43,900 –> 00:42:45,620
was all of them.
Yeah, yeah.

782
00:42:45,620 –> 00:42:47,500
I think that that is what’s
going on.

783
00:42:48,260 –> 00:42:51,820
I think everyone in that house
was involved.

784
00:42:52,330 –> 00:42:56,130
Even if just tangentially, Even
if it was just the killer being

785
00:42:56,130 –> 00:42:58,970
like you, shut the fuck up.
You don’t say anything about

786
00:42:58,970 –> 00:43:02,410
what you saw.
That is highly believable.

787
00:43:02,410 –> 00:43:06,050
That I think is the most
believable is that a guy just

788
00:43:06,050 –> 00:43:10,370
showed up to kill him and
threatened that party into not

789
00:43:10,370 –> 00:43:12,090
saying anything.
Or like what?

790
00:43:12,090 –> 00:43:16,130
Like George was fucking abusive
towards Leonora.

791
00:43:16,130 –> 00:43:20,090
Leonora grabs a gun, shoots him,
then everybody hides clothes.

792
00:43:20,330 –> 00:43:23,490
Like, yeah, no, no.
Yeah, especially when there’s a

793
00:43:23,490 –> 00:43:25,050
fucking stranger that just
showed up.

794
00:43:25,210 –> 00:43:30,690
Yeah, the part where he’s naked
is weird because also again, we

795
00:43:30,890 –> 00:43:33,690
we talked about it earlier like
was he naked when he came

796
00:43:33,690 –> 00:43:35,930
downstairs?
Cuz if so, no one said that.

797
00:43:36,170 –> 00:43:40,770
And it seems like the amount of
time between when she says he’s

798
00:43:40,770 –> 00:43:43,770
going upstairs to shoot himself
and when he shoots himself, when

799
00:43:43,770 –> 00:43:46,320
did he take his clothes off?
Like, it seems like they just

800
00:43:46,320 –> 00:43:48,760
hear the drawer open and then
hear the shot and it’s like,

801
00:43:48,760 –> 00:43:50,680
well, when when did he get
naked?

802
00:43:50,840 –> 00:43:54,360
According to this timeline, that
part’s weird.

803
00:43:55,000 –> 00:43:58,320
It’s all super fucking weird.
And like, no one, no one cared.

804
00:43:58,480 –> 00:44:00,560
You’re like, all right.
Yeah, they were like, yeah, I’m

805
00:44:00,560 –> 00:44:04,570
over that Superman show anyway.
OK, he didn’t want to do it

806
00:44:04,570 –> 00:44:06,570
anyway.
Yeah, yeah, I think that is the

807
00:44:06,570 –> 00:44:10,770
most plausible explanation.
I think a killer showed up and

808
00:44:10,890 –> 00:44:14,290
was like, hey, you might
recognize me as being the guy

809
00:44:14,290 –> 00:44:15,890
who just killed someone
upstairs.

810
00:44:16,050 –> 00:44:19,410
And if you don’t want to be
next, how about you concoct a

811
00:44:19,410 –> 00:44:21,930
story?
And also that story they come up

812
00:44:21,930 –> 00:44:26,010
with sounds like a story for
completely drunk people would

813
00:44:26,010 –> 00:44:30,690
come up with, because why not
just say he came downstairs?

814
00:44:31,130 –> 00:44:33,290
Went back to bed.
We heard a shot.

815
00:44:33,450 –> 00:44:37,570
Like, why add the whole?
Leonora said he’s going upstairs

816
00:44:37,570 –> 00:44:40,090
to shoot himself.
It’s like, why even say that?

817
00:44:40,210 –> 00:44:42,050
Like, why not just?
Yeah, we don’t know what

818
00:44:42,050 –> 00:44:43,290
happened.
He went upstairs and shot

819
00:44:43,290 –> 00:44:44,690
himself.
Who knows?

820
00:44:44,850 –> 00:44:48,050
But yeah, the fact that this got
treated as a suicide and was

821
00:44:48,050 –> 00:44:50,330
just written off as that is
nuts.

822
00:44:50,570 –> 00:44:53,770
Like all that physical evidence,
the bruising on his face and on

823
00:44:53,770 –> 00:44:55,850
his chest.
Where’d that come from?

824
00:44:56,130 –> 00:44:58,490
He’s not gonna pull a fucking
Fight Club and beat himself up

825
00:44:58,490 –> 00:45:00,180
and then kill himself.
Right, Yeah.

826
00:45:00,180 –> 00:45:04,940
The only weird piece of forensic
evidence that was maybe

827
00:45:04,940 –> 00:45:08,620
explained away were the 2
gunshots in the carpet.

828
00:45:08,780 –> 00:45:12,660
Leonora’s claim was that those
were from a previous argument

829
00:45:12,780 –> 00:45:15,700
where a gun was fired.
Jesus.

830
00:45:15,940 –> 00:45:19,060
Which, yeah, I mean, I guess
that could be it.

831
00:45:19,060 –> 00:45:21,380
But also, I don’t know.
I don’t know.

832
00:45:21,420 –> 00:45:24,380
It’s a crazy ass story.
Check out Hollywood Land in

833
00:45:24,380 –> 00:45:27,640
theaters now.
Ohh wait, no, that was 2006.

834
00:45:27,680 –> 00:45:31,520
OK, from off camera.
But yeah, that’s how these

835
00:45:31,520 –> 00:45:32,720
things work.
We’re never gonna know what

836
00:45:32,720 –> 00:45:33,840
happened.
But I think we know.

837
00:45:34,160 –> 00:45:35,960
I think we yeah, we have an
idea.

838
00:45:36,160 –> 00:45:38,560
And I think that’s our episode.
We did it.

839
00:45:38,640 –> 00:45:39,800
We made it.
Nice.

840
00:45:40,110 –> 00:45:41,830
Thank you so much for doing the
pod.

841
00:45:42,070 –> 00:45:43,230
I appreciate it.
Of course.

842
00:45:43,390 –> 00:45:45,750
What do you have to plug before
we get out of here?

843
00:45:45,750 –> 00:45:48,790
I don’t shit the plug.
You can follow my social media

844
00:45:48,790 –> 00:45:49,910
if you want.
I don’t.

845
00:45:49,950 –> 00:45:50,990
I don’t.
I don’t fucking.

846
00:45:51,150 –> 00:45:52,230
I don’t care.
I’m gonna be.

847
00:45:53,270 –> 00:45:54,830
I do not care about social media
anymore.

848
00:45:54,950 –> 00:45:56,830
You sound like George Reeves
right now.

849
00:45:56,990 –> 00:45:59,590
I know I’ll go get butt ass
naked and end it real quick.

850
00:46:00,990 –> 00:46:02,230
Don’t.
Please don’t.

851
00:46:02,430 –> 00:46:04,190
No.
What do I got?

852
00:46:04,190 –> 00:46:07,770
The plug.
I have a show November. 10th at

853
00:46:08,250 –> 00:46:12,130
Sardine in San Pedro, We’re
doing another nerd rockers ball.

854
00:46:12,290 –> 00:46:13,530
That’s going to be a damn good
time.

855
00:46:13,770 –> 00:46:18,250
And then I’m doing a show at El
Sid on November 17th.

856
00:46:18,370 –> 00:46:23,210
That is Samantha Jane’s show and
there will be more stuff.

857
00:46:23,210 –> 00:46:25,210
But for now, just come to all
that.

858
00:46:25,410 –> 00:46:28,650
Come see me, Come see my second
return to comedy of the year.

859
00:46:28,770 –> 00:46:33,010
I tried it in February, then got
debilitating mouth surgery, and

860
00:46:33,650 –> 00:46:37,020
now I’m.
Back at it again until another

861
00:46:37,020 –> 00:46:39,540
dentist breaks another needle
off in my face, probably.

862
00:46:40,460 –> 00:46:43,140
It went very well.
You did very good.

863
00:46:43,620 –> 00:46:48,100
Yeah, Thank you and I think
that’s it.

864
00:46:48,100 –> 00:46:49,700
Let’s get the fuck out of here.
A tiff.

865
00:46:49,820 –> 00:46:52,540
Say goodbye, peace.
Goodbye everybody.

866
00:46:52,540 –> 00:47:00,940
We love you, people of Earth.
Your planet is going to be

867
00:47:01,220 –> 00:47:01,500
destroyed.