Adam and Olivia discuss those recent UFO hearings and a wild rumor that started as a result of them.
Show notes: https://youdontshow.link/ctsep254
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Welcome to Conspiracy the Show,
the world’s most trusted
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conspiracy theory podcast with
your hosts Adam Todd Brown and
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Olivia Haidar.
Hey everybody, welcome to
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Conspiracy the show.
I’m your host, Adam Todd Brown.
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And I’m Olivia Haidar.
And that makes us both your
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hosts.
Yeah, it does.
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Olivia, how’s it going?
We’re recording in person at
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studios that we’re trying to get
rid of right now.
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I know, Arguably.
This might be the last episode
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we record here.
Yeah, it that’s kind of huge.
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I’m really, I’m really honored
to be a part of this moment.
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I mean, you know, these
landlords, we’ve had troubles
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with them.
I mean, I I love their politics.
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Yeah, yeah.
But you know, it seems like
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they’re building management
skills leave a lot to be
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desired.
Yeah, yeah, I missed the Trump
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DeSantis sign.
I really wish that that was
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still.
There, that’s high comedy,
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expecting that Trump and
DeSantis like each other enough
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to.
Together in 2024.
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That was always the funniest
part.
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Yeah, if.
You’re going to be that militant
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about your politics, at least.
Like know how they work, I mean.
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It’s just a sign that says fuck
you in big kind of.
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That’s literally all that
combination of words means.
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Yeah, so.
But.
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That sign has gone away, and we
will too soon.
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But in the meantime, oh man,
have people been clamoring for
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us to cover what we’re covering
today?
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Absolutely.
I’m not surprised.
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I mean, this is, it’s right up
our alley.
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It is prime conspiracy.
The show content it.
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Is even though I heard about it
and I thought, I feel like if
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there was actually anything to
this I would be hearing even
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more and yet.
There wasn’t.
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Yeah.
One of the reasons we haven’t
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jumped on this as quick as
people want is because I’m kind
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of tired of hearing the
government being like, hey, look
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at these videos.
They mean something.
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Well, like, yeah, I get it.
Yeah, well, and especially in
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this one is like, I mean, we’ll
get into it, but it’s mostly
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just the newest one is mostly
just a guy who heard a thing.
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Yeah, or says he heard us.
Yeah.
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And like that is just not that
compelling on its own.
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Yeah, I feel like this because
it happened on TV in front of
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the government.
Yeah, people are a little more
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excited about it.
Then they maybe need to be.
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But like, you know, the a lot of
the people have gone in front of
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Congress for a lot of dumb
things.
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Yeah, like steroids in baseball.
Oh, exactly.
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Yeah.
We need to be promoting steroids
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in baseball, I think.
I think that was the point.
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OK, I wasn’t.
I was trying to figure out the
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yeah.
Of course, a House Oversight
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subcommittee held a hearing on
UFO’s.
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A KAUAP’s which up until
researching this, I thought UAP
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meant Unidentified Aerial
Phenomenon.
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Oh, does it?
Does not.
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It means Unidentified Anomalous
Phenomenon.
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That that has to be new.
That must be it.
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That has to be a change.
Because I have heard the aerial
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part.
Yeah, for maybe for me when we
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were recording.
Me no, but it separately.
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Because I I think I just always
assumed I mean.
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That makes sense.
But also though on the other
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hand, and look you know, I call
them UFO’s because I am a child
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of.
The X-Files, you know, I of
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course it’s not going to stop,
but like I understand wanting to
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be more specific.
And a lot of these things aren’t
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just aerial, so it makes sense
that it’s not unidentified
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aerial phenomenon.
Yeah, they sometimes go in the
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water exactly so it.
Could be unidentified
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amphibious, yes.
Yeah.
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Phenomenon exactly.
Or aerial phenomenon.
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So you just go with.
Or anomalous?
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Yeah.
Finally, the government makes a
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decision.
I agree on.
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I mean sure we are on the same
page.
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I’ve got way more things to be
mad about than.
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What we’re calling Uap’s
officially so this.
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Hearing happened at the end of
July.
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This is a quote from
Representative Robert Garcia,
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who was the top Democrat on the
subcommittee.
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This is from his opening
statement Arg the sheer number
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of reports.
Wait, I don’t know why I made
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him a pirate.
Sorry, sorry.
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Legitimately.
Shocked by that?
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Just a carry over from the band
podcast we record called You
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Don’t Even Like This Band where
anytime I read a Mick Fleetwood
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quote I assume.
That he’s talking like a.
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Pirates and pirate voice, you
might let me let me try that
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again.
The sheer number of reports,
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whistleblowers and stories of
unidentified anomalous phenomena
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should raise real questions and
warrant investigation and
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oversight.
And that’s why we are here
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today.
UAP’s, whatever they may be, may
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pose a serious threat to our
military or civilian aircraft.
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And that must be understood.
What I love about all of this is
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for the longest time people have
been like, well, once aliens
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come to the planet and once
UFO’s start showing up, we’re
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all going to be completely
united.
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Like that’s just going to bond
humanity together.
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And even before they’re really
here, there are already.
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Two very distinct camps, right?
When it comes to what’s
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happening right now, there’s
this camp, right, which is that,
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hey, we need to study these
because they’re probably a
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threat.
And then there’s like Steven
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Greer, who’s like, no, those
people who are telling you that
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these are a threat, right?
They’re the real threat.
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Well, and that’s fair also.
And that’s the thing.
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I don’t trust anyone.
I don’t really trust Steven
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Greer and I obviously don’t
trust the American government.
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Of course.
Like it all feels like Kay Fabe
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a.
Little bit.
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Like aliens are turning into the
WWE, where there’s one side
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that’s saying one thing and
another side saying the other
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thing, and it feels like
everyone’s kind of pretending.
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I mean, it’s more like it’s just
turning into a thing that.
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Is talked about in America,
which is by definition means
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it’s going to like bring out
people from every angle, which
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is right.
The American Dream, kind of.
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It’s the American way.
It is like it’s not a thing that
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is uniting us, it’s a thing that
we are finding ways to be
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divided over.
It’s one of the things I really
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liked about.
Did you ever watch or read
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Contact movie first of all?
That movie?
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No.
Yeah, I saw the movie Contact.
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Yeah, it’s a great movie and
that is what it’s about.
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Like, you know, everybody’s
going to kind of look at this a
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different way and, you know, you
just kind of hope that there’ll
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be enough Jodie Foster’s looking
for the truth.
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That we’ll figure something out
and we won’t, you know, kill
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each other over something
stupid.
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But we’re going to kill each
other over something stupid, I
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mean.
Just hopefully not this.
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Probably, yeah.
So these hearings, they were
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very long.
Like, we might get into more of
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them later.
Like, I didn’t watch all of it,
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but I don’t know.
I’m already so tired of this.
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Yeah, I mean, I think we’re at a
point, you know, we’ve kind of
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since.
You know it was 2019 that the
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big releases of 17/20/17 that
was a God time.
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Six years?
That’s weird.
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You know, so it’s been since
then that the the big the Navy
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videos came out and we kind of
had a big step forward in our
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collective understanding of this
phenomenon.
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Right.
And.
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Now we’re just as a point where
until another big thing with
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interesting evidence comes out,
no, you know, there’s just not
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much.
Else going to come out until you
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know, like we just need the next
big thing if there’s going to be
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1.
Yeah.
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We’re kind of at that point
where a lot of people who
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dismiss the idea of UFOs, right,
their dismissal always centers
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around, well, where’s the
evidence, right.
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And it’s like, well, now you’re
seeing it.
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Like this is actually the
government coming out and being
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like, look at this thing.
Right, this is some weird thing
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that we don’t know what it is
specifically.
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And even still, there are people
like.
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All right, Well, what’s the
evidence?
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Well, yeah.
And and The thing is there we do
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still need like much more
concrete as much as compelling
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is a lot of these things that
we’ve seen have been, you know,
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we’re still waiting on the the
defining, the Oprah shot, you
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know, to quote.
Yeah, Nope.
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Like we’re still waiting.
On that, we don’t have that yet.
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We’ve got a lot of really
compelling things where if you
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are already in on UFOs or on the
fence, you’re seeing this and
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you’re like, well that’s that’s
something that I’ve not seen
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before.
This is very compelling, but
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like the average person like.
You know it doesn’t give enough
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of a shit to like for it to move
their Dick.
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You know like they just it’s
they’re staying flaccid and.
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Like that’s understandable.
Yeah, absolutely.
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If the American government
really is like, pulling off some
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kind of false flag thing here
and they were hoping that seeing
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this footage was going to, like,
unite us in some way or like,
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become our defining problem in
life.
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They shouldn’t have made the
rest of life so shitty.
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For so many people, yeah,
exactly.
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Because there are so many people
in this country, I would argue
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me among them.
And I’m doing fine.
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Sure, like, I don’t have nearly
the struggles that so many
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people in this country have,
right?
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But even I have enough that I’m
like, fuck a UFO, but like,
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that’s just like a metal bird to
me at this point.
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I mean, yeah, like look, I would
love for aliens to come to Earth
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and kill me specifically.
That is what I would like for
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you know I’m the I’m the girl
from Independence Day who goes
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up with her sign to the for the
billing in LA.
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It’s like yeah, beam me up baby.
Just immediately killed.
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Like, that’s my vibe when it
comes to Aliens.
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And until that point, you know,
I got fucking bills to pay.
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Yeah, like, it’s tough, man.
It’s like.
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Just if you need to start your
One World Government, just
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fucking do it.
Absolutely.
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Just like, don’t bother me with
this UFO.
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Will it take care of my student
loans?
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Will it give me health care?
OK, I don’t care.
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Yeah.
Yeah, when we first saw these
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videos in 2017, it’s like, are
they going to impeach Trump?
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Exactly.
If not, I don’t give a fuck what
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they’re here for.
They’ve actually got the cure
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for COVID up there, but we keep
shooting them down.
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Exactly.
So we are talking about these
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hearings, so we should get into
them.
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And we’re just going to talk
about some of the big takeaways
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from this that everyone is
talking about.
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And the first one, the big one
is that the American government
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is, quote, absolutely in
possession of Uap’s, right.
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And that comes from David Grush,
yes, a former U.S. intelligence
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official.
So you know you can trust.
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Him, yeah.
And.
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And he’s 36 years old and looks
like.
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He has a lot of.
I’ll say 36 going on my.
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Like look, as we’re recording.
I turned 36 tomorrow and it real
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I saw a picture of this guy and
it really made me feel better
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about where I’m at, you know,
looks wise.
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Yeah, it’s because you don’t
watch sports.
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That is probably it.
Because if you watch sports, you
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would hear 36 year olds being
described as the most heroic
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people of all time for just
getting themselves out there.
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It’s like, Can you believe this
guy’s still walking?
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He’s.
Got his Walker. 36 And it’s
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like, fuck, I would kill to be
36 again.
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I was in so much better physical
shape.
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I thought you were saying that.
I look better because I don’t
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watch sports like.
Probably that too.
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Probably, maybe.
Especially you’re from Indiana.
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All your teams suck right now.
So yeah, it’d be bad times.
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Literally would not know we’re
gun to my head.
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So you’re not a big Benedict
Methuen fan?
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I mean, well, I love Ben, you
know, But just personally, I
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don’t.
I don’t know his work.
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So yeah, the American government
is in possession of Uap’s.
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Like, yeah, Like, probably.
If one has crashed, we probably
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have it the.
Problem with this, and it’s not
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a problem, but like Harry Reid
said this in 2017, yeah, like he
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when we first got these articles
about these UFO videos, that was
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one of the main talking points
was, listen, we got all this
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stuff.
In a storage facility and if
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anyone can say they know where
it came from, they’re lying like
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that’s.
I’m paraphrasing, but that was
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Harry Reid’s general quote.
And it really does, at this
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point feel like the government
is giving us the same
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information over and over and
over and expecting us to react
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to it differently at some point.
Yeah, kind of.
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Although, you know, again, I
have a hard time lumping David
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Grush and and his testimony in
with that because you know of
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how scanty what he says actually
is.
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Yes, yeah, it seems like Harry
Reid had a little more like
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actual hands on.
Yeah.
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Knowledge, yes.
Of what was happening.
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Yeah, he’s been.
Like trying to figure this shit
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out for decades.
That’s the big problem with this
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testimony when people are
getting so excited about it,
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like, hey, the government just
said Ufo’s are real.
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Right.
It’s like, Nah, this one guy,
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this single guy.
Ufo’s are real, right?
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And that’s a big, big
difference.
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And not just that, he admits in
his testimony.
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He’s never.
Any of this, Yes.
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It’s just him conducting
interviews with people who’ve
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seen it, and at that point it’s
like, well, why haven’t you seen
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it, right?
And why are you here?
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Yeah, why are you the one like
blowing the whistle on this
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hearsay?
And you couldn’t get a single
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one of those people to come
forward and testify like, not
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one like.
Your courage under fire didn’t
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inspire someone else.
Like, I don’t trust this guy.
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I absolutely don’t trust this
guy.
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He testified that he led a
Defense Department effort to
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analyze UAP sightings and
reports and was informed of a
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multi decade Pentagon program
that collected and attempted to
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reconstruct crashed Uap’s.
So he led that Defense
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Department effort, right?
But also has never seen a UAP,
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right?
So who did right?
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Like who saw him that?
Exactly, that’s that’s a good
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question.
Like you’re you’re underling
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Psalm.
But like.
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You just, like, didn’t get to
see him.
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That makes zero sense.
You know, he’s like well, they
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they requested the anonymity or
whatever.
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It’s just like, I’m sorry, this
is not going to pass muster for
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me.
I I’ve heard this enough from
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Better.
Courses than you like I I’ll
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take a you know we can’t
disclose from a Harry Reid or
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whatever but I don’t know who
you are buddy.
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He did say that this program is
above congressional oversight.
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And bankrolled by a
misappropriation of funds, which
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that doesn’t sound like our
intelligence community at all.
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Right.
Yeah, that could be describing
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any number of things.
But also that is kind of the
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thing like we’ve heard so much
about like black budgets and
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like Black Ops.
Yeah, so now this guy can just
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be like, well, it’s Black Ops
that it’s it’s above.
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Congress.
That’s why you don’t know about
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it.
And I don’t doubt that there are
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projects like this that exist
above the scope of Congress.
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I don’t doubt that there are
projects like that, but do you
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think that UFO’s would be one of
them?
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I feel like they’ll put that on
like whatever crazy neutron bomb
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or whatever the fuck they’re
building.
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Like that’s what they’re going
to be keeping away from
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Congress.
I don’t know that they give
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enough of a shit to keep UFO’s
away, but I don’t know.
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I think the only reason they
would, and this is obviously a
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big argument that people who are
interested in this make, which
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is that we’ve recovered
technology from alien crashes
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that would like fix our climate
change issues.
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Sure.
And we’ve just kind of
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suppressed that so we can keep
selling oil for all these years
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and like people have died in the
process.
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It’s just that my my problem
with that is my problem with a
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lot of the way that people think
about UFOs is I just don’t
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understand how you think that we
would be able to use any alien
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technology if they’re traveling
across galaxies, you know, like
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well.
I think it’s more the propulsion
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systems in the crafts
themselves, right?
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How would we know how that
works?
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I mean, I don’t know exactly,
but I also don’t doubt that.
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I mean people will be studying
it definitely.
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People who would study it and
figure it out.
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And The thing is, if we did
figure that out like in like the
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50s or 60s, yeah, and we were
like, but we got all these.
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Engines that run on gas that we
need, sure, like, keep selling.
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That would be a pretty huge
scandal.
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But at the same time, what would
we the people do about it,
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right?
Like if the government came out
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and was like, listen, we’ve
actually had the means to fix
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climate change for decades.
Yeah, And we just didn’t do it,
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I feel like.
As a country on both sides, our
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response would be, oh, so you
can fix climate change, yeah.
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That’s great.
Please do it.
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Then it wouldn’t be.
Oh, but all these people died
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and now we have to, like, try
you as war criminals.
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That would never happen.
That would be secondary.
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I think everybody’s first
reaction would be please, please
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keep the planet from yeah, like
people like us would be like,
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oh, but all those.
Yeah, like people probably died
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from climate change.
I mean, it’s tough to say people
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get mad about, you know,
horrific crimes against
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humanities.
True.
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So we don’t know.
But I think everybody’s first
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reaction would definitely be
please, please, if you would not
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mind.
And I’ve said it before, that
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has always been like, my secret
hope about climate change is
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that, like, we have the
technology to fix it.
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But also rich people are like,
well, we’re not just going to
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waste all this oil, right?
Like we’re going to raid this
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fucking planet before we fix it,
right?
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And maybe that’s where every
society before us has gotten to
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the point where they’re like,
all right, we’re going to raid
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the planet for as long as we
can, and then we’ll fix things.
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And then, like a minute before
they fix things, the planet just
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explodes.
I mean, look, that’s probably
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what will happen.
That is almost certainly what
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will happen.
Anyway, we’ll be dead by then,
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hopefully.
Maybe.
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All right, The next big take
away right?
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Nonhuman biologics.
He said that like Trump were
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found at a crash site.
And this is where the problems
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with Grutch’s testimony come
into play, right?
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Because he straight up says he’s
never seen a UAP, right?
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He’s never seen these non human
biologics, but he did interview
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a bunch of people who told him
about.
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But I and again, I, you know, I
just don’t see how this that’s
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any different than so many of
the reports that we’ve heard in
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the past.
Yeah, like somebody heard from
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somebody else who said they saw
an alien or whatever.
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It’s kind of how Stephen Greer
stuff works, absolutely.
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Like so much of it is.
Well, yeah, a source told me.
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Yeah.
And it’s like you are making a
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documentary right now.
Show me something.
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Right.
That that source showed you that
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has convinced you that this is
real.
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Yeah.
And so much of this guy’s
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testimony is just, well, yeah, I
interviewed people and they told
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me, and it’s like they might be
lying to you, I mean.
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Look, man, like this thing.
We’ve had Blue Book since the
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50s, yeah.
So, like, you’ve got to come at
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me with a little bit more of a
solid testimony than Project
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Blue Book from the fucking 50s.
I’m sorry, it’s been 70 years,
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because, yeah, this is kind of
the same claim from Roswell,
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which is.
Yeah, Roswell people.
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Jesus, Yeah, we found alien
bodies in one of these crashes,
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and now this is just another guy
saying that, but he’s saying it
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to Congress, right?
So now people are like, oh, the
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government just admitted aliens
are real and it’s like, Nah,
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this guy.
Did I’m blaming C-SPAN?
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They started all this.
They showed us all of the stupid
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shit.
That happens at Congress all
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day.
And so now we just expect that
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it’s all newsworthy.
Yeah, it’s all real.
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And so, yeah, I don’t know, it
it really does to me feel like
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there could be some like Richard
Doty Mirageman shit happening
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here.
I mean, maybe where this guy is
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like on the forefront of this
and so people are coming to him
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and being like, yeah man, you’re
not going to believe what I saw.
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But is he like now?
That’s definitely true, and he’s
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definitely the target of that
shit now.
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But like, I had never heard of
this fucking guy until these and
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I keep up with this stuff to an
extent.
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You know, doing this show.
So, yeah, I don’t know.
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I mean, it could be.
It could also just be Congress
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has a long history of hearing
testimony from whack jobs, Yeah.
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For lack of a more sensitive
term, where’s Tom Delong in all
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this?
Why isn’t he being interviewed?
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Exactly.
This guy’s 36 years old.
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What’s his age again, huh?
Tom Delong?
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Just fucking aliens are real for
playing guitar while he’s
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testifying?
That would be great.
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That would be great.
I mean, it’d be fine.
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I was never a big bunk 182 fan.
I mean, I was never huge, but I
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like their famous songs.
So yeah, he at one point
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testified that what he and his
wife had seen was very
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disturbing, but also had
testified at other points that
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he hadn’t really seen anything.
Yeah, I mean it sounds like.
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He’s saying that what he he’s
using what he’s seen to mean,
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what he has read and heard from
these eyewitnesses.
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Yeah, which to me.
Is not accurate and when he was
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asked for more details he was
like, well, I can’t share them
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because they’re too sensitive.
Of course, but then there’s all
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these, like, magazine interviews
with him before this where he
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goes into a whole bunch of
detail.
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But something about being like
in front of the government and
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being under oath, I don’t even
know.
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Was he under Oath I?
Don’t know.
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But now all of a sudden it’s
all, oh, it’s too sensitive
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right, for me to talk about.
And I’m sorry, I’m sorry that’s
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again, this is not passing for
me.
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I’m not accepting.
It’s too sensitive anymore.
434
00:26:17,690 –> 00:26:22,290
No, it reminds me of when
Congress finally tackled the
435
00:26:22,290 –> 00:26:26,530
real issue plaguing America,
which is steroids in baseball.
436
00:26:27,610 –> 00:26:32,530
And Sammy Sosa testified in
front of Congress and was like,
437
00:26:33,370 –> 00:26:35,130
no inglace.
I know.
438
00:26:35,330 –> 00:26:38,090
No, no, I baseball been very,
very good.
439
00:26:38,650 –> 00:26:41,010
And it’s like, I’ve seen you in
commercials where you’re like,
440
00:26:41,010 –> 00:26:45,320
hey, I’m Sammy Sosa for Chicago
Land Ford Dealers.
441
00:26:46,000 –> 00:26:47,480
And then you get them in front
of Congress.
442
00:26:47,480 –> 00:26:50,880
And he’s like, I don’t know.
I don’t know, I don’t know.
443
00:26:51,320 –> 00:26:53,600
But like this guy too.
Like, you’ve given all these
444
00:26:53,600 –> 00:26:56,320
interviews and now you get in
front of Congress and you’re
445
00:26:56,320 –> 00:26:58,400
like, it’s too sensitive for me
to talk about?
446
00:26:58,760 –> 00:27:02,200
I mean, like you talked about it
to Vanity Fair, right?
447
00:27:02,360 –> 00:27:06,880
Where is the better place to
talk about these sensitive
448
00:27:06,880 –> 00:27:09,760
matters?
If it’s that sensitive, they’ll
449
00:27:09,760 –> 00:27:13,500
make sure it doesn’t leave.
The congressional hearing room,
450
00:27:13,700 –> 00:27:16,940
right?
You know, like, it’s fine, man.
451
00:27:17,060 –> 00:27:20,220
You’re in front of the people
who need to hear the stuff.
452
00:27:20,300 –> 00:27:24,580
So the next big take away, very
dramatic moment.
453
00:27:24,740 –> 00:27:29,270
Grutch testified that he’d been
the subject of, quote, very
454
00:27:29,270 –> 00:27:33,510
brutal retaliation as a result
of his allegations.
455
00:27:33,550 –> 00:27:34,110
He could.
Barely.
456
00:27:34,110 –> 00:27:37,030
Walk into the hearing.
Yeah, and it’s like, again,
457
00:27:37,270 –> 00:27:39,430
citation needed, right?
What do you mean?
458
00:27:39,590 –> 00:27:43,830
Yeah, how about, it’s clearly
wasn’t physical retaliation.
459
00:27:43,870 –> 00:27:45,670
So what?
What happened?
460
00:27:46,030 –> 00:27:49,670
Yeah, like, did you lose your
job?
461
00:27:49,750 –> 00:27:52,990
Did like we’re government agents
following you?
462
00:27:52,990 –> 00:27:54,830
Like what?
Just tell us right?
463
00:27:55,150 –> 00:27:58,390
What you mean and?
If it happened, yeah.
464
00:27:58,710 –> 00:28:01,350
And if it didn’t, then why are
we talking about this?
465
00:28:02,350 –> 00:28:05,750
And he also claimed to have
knowledge of, quote, people who
466
00:28:05,750 –> 00:28:10,110
have been harmed or injured in
the course of government efforts
467
00:28:10,190 –> 00:28:15,190
to conceal UFO information.
And again, well, who?
468
00:28:15,550 –> 00:28:18,870
Are they who?
And you know, I’m like, sure,
469
00:28:19,200 –> 00:28:24,440
because maybe all I have been
confronted with for the past six
470
00:28:24,440 –> 00:28:30,840
years at least, is person after
person making documentary after
471
00:28:30,840 –> 00:28:35,840
documentary about what the
government is up to and how
472
00:28:35,840 –> 00:28:38,200
dangerous it is to talk about
this.
473
00:28:38,600 –> 00:28:42,080
And it’s like, well, why are
there 50 fucking Amazon
474
00:28:42,080 –> 00:28:47,160
documentaries about this?
Why isn’t Stephen Greer dead,
475
00:28:47,320 –> 00:28:49,560
right?
Why isn’t this guy dead?
476
00:28:50,000 –> 00:28:54,160
Why aren’t all of these
luminaries in the field fucking
477
00:28:54,160 –> 00:28:56,840
dead?
And don’t tell me it’s because
478
00:28:56,840 –> 00:29:01,720
they’re too high profile.
The government murdered fucking
479
00:29:01,840 –> 00:29:07,280
RFK, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton.
There is no such thing as
480
00:29:07,280 –> 00:29:12,440
someone being too high profile
for this government to fucking
481
00:29:12,440 –> 00:29:15,220
murder.
So why are none of these people
482
00:29:15,220 –> 00:29:17,180
dead?
Well, and I’m like, you know,
483
00:29:17,180 –> 00:29:19,700
it’s like he claims that people
have been harmed or injured.
484
00:29:19,700 –> 00:29:23,420
I’m like, yeah, probably.
But I need more than that.
485
00:29:23,420 –> 00:29:25,380
I need more than you saying that
it happened.
486
00:29:25,380 –> 00:29:30,860
I need a name or an event like
can we never get names?
487
00:29:30,860 –> 00:29:35,970
No, We get whenever there’s like
a famous UFO sighting.
488
00:29:36,090 –> 00:29:39,170
We get the names absolutely.
Like we know the people who saw
489
00:29:39,170 –> 00:29:42,690
it, like what they experienced.
Betty and Barney Hill give me
490
00:29:42,690 –> 00:29:48,650
the name of one person murdered
by the government over their UFO
491
00:29:48,650 –> 00:29:50,990
knowledge.
Well, you know, of course you’re
492
00:29:50,990 –> 00:29:54,110
not going to know their names
because the government never let
493
00:29:54,110 –> 00:29:57,190
them get to that point.
You know, they found out that it
494
00:29:57,190 –> 00:30:00,070
was actually that all those
other sightings, they were fake,
495
00:30:00,110 –> 00:30:02,590
but the real ones, that that’s
who they kill.
496
00:30:02,750 –> 00:30:05,750
Yeah, I just.
I want to believe that’s free
497
00:30:05,750 –> 00:30:07,790
grush, by the way.
Like you can.
498
00:30:07,790 –> 00:30:11,430
You can have that, I want to
believe.
499
00:30:11,780 –> 00:30:14,500
Me too.
That this is all true.
500
00:30:14,500 –> 00:30:18,780
Yeah, but it all, like on both
sides.
501
00:30:18,940 –> 00:30:23,820
On the side this guy’s on, which
is that aliens are real and we
502
00:30:23,820 –> 00:30:25,660
need to investigate them as a
threat.
503
00:30:25,820 –> 00:30:30,100
And then the Stephen Greer side,
which is, well, aliens are real,
504
00:30:30,100 –> 00:30:33,740
but there’s not a threat and the
government is just telling us
505
00:30:33,820 –> 00:30:36,230
they are a threat.
And it’s like, I don’t know,
506
00:30:36,230 –> 00:30:39,590
have you met all the aliens?
Like some of them might show up
507
00:30:39,590 –> 00:30:41,230
and fuck you up.
Pal, maybe.
508
00:30:41,430 –> 00:30:48,030
But either one of those sides is
lying or everyone’s lying,
509
00:30:48,030 –> 00:30:50,510
right?
And this is just all the
510
00:30:50,510 –> 00:30:54,550
government and I’m kind of
leading toward this, just being
511
00:30:54,630 –> 00:30:58,470
all the government like.
Yeah, I think it’s a dash of
512
00:30:58,470 –> 00:31:01,750
that and the dash of, you know,
this is a long running
513
00:31:01,950 –> 00:31:04,630
enterprise like people are have
been making money.
514
00:31:04,950 –> 00:31:07,990
Making UFO claims for decades,
and it’s not going to stop
515
00:31:08,110 –> 00:31:10,750
anytime soon.
And you know, maybe some of
516
00:31:10,750 –> 00:31:13,550
these people are telling the
truth and maybe they’re not, but
517
00:31:13,670 –> 00:31:16,910
you know, that’s just going to
keep going and that’s fine.
518
00:31:17,030 –> 00:31:21,150
But, you know, when you’re in
front of Congress, that’s where
519
00:31:21,150 –> 00:31:25,510
I say, I need a little bit more
than you might put in your book.
520
00:31:25,960 –> 00:31:29,160
Yeah.
Or at least say the same stuff
521
00:31:29,160 –> 00:31:32,240
you say in interviews.
Like, how are you comfortable
522
00:31:32,240 –> 00:31:35,720
saying it in the press but not
in front of the government where
523
00:31:35,720 –> 00:31:39,600
you’re encouraging other
whistleblowers to come forward?
524
00:31:39,600 –> 00:31:43,960
I mean, let me, you know, I
might be wrong, but I I don’t
525
00:31:43,960 –> 00:31:47,520
know if you can get perjured in
a Vanity Fair interview.
526
00:31:48,440 –> 00:31:50,320
That’s true.
That’s a very good point.
527
00:31:51,000 –> 00:31:56,360
And yeah, Congressman Tim
Burchett asked Grush if he has
528
00:31:56,360 –> 00:32:00,440
any personal knowledge of people
who’d been murdered over this.
529
00:32:00,680 –> 00:32:03,920
And he said he quote, directed
people with that knowledge to
530
00:32:03,920 –> 00:32:06,240
the appropriate authorities.
Who are the appropriate
531
00:32:06,240 –> 00:32:08,500
authorities?
Yeah, in that case, what does
532
00:32:08,500 –> 00:32:09,380
that?
Mean.
533
00:32:09,980 –> 00:32:12,500
Yeah.
Like, legitimately.
534
00:32:12,660 –> 00:32:16,380
I need to know what that means.
Yeah, like you’re saying that
535
00:32:16,380 –> 00:32:18,740
you know that people have been
harmed or injured.
536
00:32:18,740 –> 00:32:21,940
You said that.
And then now once somebody say
537
00:32:21,940 –> 00:32:27,580
ask you to verify, you’re like,
well, I directed people who knew
538
00:32:27,580 –> 00:32:31,900
that to the right place.
Yeah, I don’t actually know
539
00:32:31,900 –> 00:32:34,820
that.
Yeah, it’s sketchy.
540
00:32:35,060 –> 00:32:37,710
It’s some sketchy tear
testimony, yeah.
541
00:32:37,950 –> 00:32:42,350
There was also testimony from
Ryan Graves, a former Navy
542
00:32:42,350 –> 00:32:45,030
pilot.
He told the panel that he felt
543
00:32:45,110 –> 00:32:50,230
military pilots are not
adequately briefed on Uap’s and
544
00:32:50,230 –> 00:32:53,670
are unprepared to respond to
encounters with them.
545
00:32:53,870 –> 00:32:55,550
Sure.
He claimed that commercial
546
00:32:55,550 –> 00:33:00,140
airline pilots have spotted
Uap’s also, Which I mean that
547
00:33:00,140 –> 00:33:02,740
would stand a reason.
If it’s happening as frequently
548
00:33:02,740 –> 00:33:06,060
as people are claiming, then
sure, probably, yeah, they’re up
549
00:33:06,060 –> 00:33:09,500
in the sky also.
So in light of all this, he
550
00:33:09,500 –> 00:33:13,780
wants some kind of official
reporting process for UAP
551
00:33:13,780 –> 00:33:15,580
sightings.
This is a quote.
552
00:33:15,740 –> 00:33:19,900
There has to be a safe and
transparent reporting process
553
00:33:20,140 –> 00:33:23,580
for pilots both on the
commercial side and the military
554
00:33:23,580 –> 00:33:28,860
side to be able to report UAP’s
and I don’t disagree with that,
555
00:33:29,020 –> 00:33:31,220
like if this is a real thing,
absolutely.
556
00:33:31,260 –> 00:33:35,260
Obviously, I mean, I think it
makes sense that regardless of
557
00:33:35,260 –> 00:33:40,260
what it is, if you see something
that you can’t explain while
558
00:33:40,260 –> 00:33:43,700
you’re flying an airplane, you
should, you should be able to
559
00:33:43,700 –> 00:33:48,460
report it to someone without
fear of judgment or persecution
560
00:33:48,460 –> 00:33:51,140
or whatever.
Regardless, again, of what The
561
00:33:51,140 –> 00:33:53,980
thing is.
And that’s the whole thing he
562
00:33:54,470 –> 00:33:58,150
brings up that there is
absolutely a stigma around,
563
00:33:58,150 –> 00:34:02,910
yeah, being a person who’s like,
hey, I saw a UFO and I want to
564
00:34:02,910 –> 00:34:04,550
tell someone.
Yeah, it makes.
565
00:34:04,750 –> 00:34:07,630
I mean, yeah, people frown on
that.
566
00:34:07,630 –> 00:34:10,870
They they cast your aspersions
on your judgment.
567
00:34:11,030 –> 00:34:13,310
And so I think that’s totally
fair.
568
00:34:13,389 –> 00:34:16,630
Like, again, regardless of
whether it’s aliens or whatever,
569
00:34:16,830 –> 00:34:18,710
this just makes sense.
It’s air safety.
570
00:34:19,050 –> 00:34:22,810
And that’s kind of the pushback
I always have when people are
571
00:34:22,810 –> 00:34:26,489
like, well, I’ll believe Ufo’s
are real when I see some
572
00:34:26,489 –> 00:34:30,210
evidence and it’s like, but lots
of people have come forward with
573
00:34:30,210 –> 00:34:33,969
what they say is evidence and
you’re like, no, I don’t Like,
574
00:34:33,969 –> 00:34:35,650
that’s obviously fake.
Sure.
575
00:34:36,010 –> 00:34:39,330
And it’s like, well, who is it
going to take to tell you that
576
00:34:39,330 –> 00:34:42,810
Ufo’s are real before you’re
like, all right, I believe it.
577
00:34:42,810 –> 00:34:45,050
Like, is it going to have to be
like Jesus?
578
00:34:45,570 –> 00:34:48,679
Well, sure.
I think for most people, I think
579
00:34:48,679 –> 00:34:52,360
most people are would say they
would need to see it for
580
00:34:52,360 –> 00:34:56,040
themselves, which I don’t agree
with necessarily.
581
00:34:56,040 –> 00:34:59,840
But no, like I’ve never, I don’t
know, I don’t think I’ve ever
582
00:34:59,840 –> 00:35:02,280
seen an elephant like in real
life.
583
00:35:02,280 –> 00:35:03,960
Really.
Yeah, I don’t think so.
584
00:35:04,240 –> 00:35:06,680
But I know they’re real.
They are real, like I’ve never
585
00:35:06,680 –> 00:35:10,000
seen a giant squid.
I have never seen a giant squid,
586
00:35:10,000 –> 00:35:11,520
but they are real.
They exist.
587
00:35:11,560 –> 00:35:13,760
They do exist.
Get one on camera for like a
588
00:35:13,800 –> 00:35:15,760
long long.
Long long until like.
589
00:35:16,520 –> 00:35:19,840
I was in high school basically.
Very recently, but very
590
00:35:19,840 –> 00:35:22,000
recently.
I trust that they’re real.
591
00:35:22,000 –> 00:35:25,160
Yeah, it was cool, too.
Like, that can’t be the thing.
592
00:35:25,160 –> 00:35:27,920
It can’t be.
Well, I’ve never seen one.
593
00:35:28,000 –> 00:35:31,320
So I know that they’re fake.
Like, I don’t know.
594
00:35:31,320 –> 00:35:33,680
There’s lots of things I’ve
never seen that I know are real.
595
00:35:33,720 –> 00:35:35,400
Yep.
So I don’t know.
596
00:35:35,560 –> 00:35:38,680
But I understand the risk.
Like, I understand.
597
00:35:38,920 –> 00:35:42,640
Like, even science, it’s been a
thing that’s been talked about a
598
00:35:42,640 –> 00:35:46,170
bunch where like, you kind of
just don’t investigate stuff
599
00:35:46,170 –> 00:35:49,730
like this, otherwise your peers
are gonna be like, so you’re a
600
00:35:49,730 –> 00:35:55,210
crazy person, Yeah.
Sometimes, obviously there are
601
00:35:55,290 –> 00:35:59,610
more open minds than others, but
yeah yeah and yeah, right now
602
00:35:59,690 –> 00:36:05,400
the FAA if you contact them and
you’re like, hey, I saw UFO in
603
00:36:05,400 –> 00:36:09,680
the sky, they refer you to like
citizen run groups, which I’m
604
00:36:09,680 –> 00:36:13,120
assuming means MUFON.
Maybe that would be weird
605
00:36:13,200 –> 00:36:15,160
though.
But I mean, who else?
606
00:36:15,160 –> 00:36:17,520
Like they’re they’re the main
one.
607
00:36:17,760 –> 00:36:20,760
Maybe SETI.
Yeah, but Seti’s just like,
608
00:36:20,920 –> 00:36:24,440
fucking dishes point.
I know they’re not looking for.
609
00:36:24,440 –> 00:36:26,720
It’s got to be MUFON.
I don’t know who else it would
610
00:36:26,720 –> 00:36:28,520
be.
Like the government.
611
00:36:28,920 –> 00:36:33,240
Didn’t the government sort of
set up MUFON like MUFON is
612
00:36:33,600 –> 00:36:38,200
referenced in like really early?
It’s a it’s the oldie.
613
00:36:38,200 –> 00:36:41,200
It’s the big UFO things and
they’re still around like I
614
00:36:41,200 –> 00:36:43,400
can’t.
They should really go by Moo App
615
00:36:43,400 –> 00:36:44,560
now.
They should.
616
00:36:44,880 –> 00:36:49,160
They should.
Moo App and yeah, it’s got to be
617
00:36:49,160 –> 00:36:50,520
them.
I can’t imagine who else it
618
00:36:50,520 –> 00:36:54,160
would be, but it does stand to
reason that the government
619
00:36:54,160 –> 00:36:56,240
should have some sort of
mechanism.
620
00:36:56,240 –> 00:36:58,920
Again, it just makes sense, you
know when you’re.
621
00:36:59,360 –> 00:37:00,920
Flying.
Especially for commercial
622
00:37:00,920 –> 00:37:05,800
airlines like you, your main
priority is the safety of your
623
00:37:05,800 –> 00:37:10,240
passengers and not being able to
report on something that you’ve
624
00:37:10,240 –> 00:37:13,240
seen for fear of stigma
contributes to an unsafe
625
00:37:13,240 –> 00:37:15,480
environment.
Yeah, So there was also
626
00:37:15,480 –> 00:37:21,800
testimony from a former Navy
commander named David Fraver.
627
00:37:21,800 –> 00:37:25,960
Yeah, he’s one of the pilots you
hear hooting and hollering in
628
00:37:26,040 –> 00:37:31,610
those UFO Tic Tac videos, right,
that the Navy released, He said.
629
00:37:31,610 –> 00:37:35,810
When he spotted one of those,
his plane was above it and he
630
00:37:35,810 –> 00:37:40,050
started descending to see what
it was and that when he did
631
00:37:40,050 –> 00:37:44,210
that, this Tic Tac shaped craft,
which isn’t it just an Oval.
632
00:37:44,370 –> 00:37:48,050
That’s fine.
Sure, but it’s the saying Tic
633
00:37:48,050 –> 00:37:49,970
Tac.
Yeah, I guess a Tic Tac in an
634
00:37:49,970 –> 00:37:50,890
Oval.
Are right.
635
00:37:50,890 –> 00:37:54,810
Like it’s Oval, but it’s
describing a 3D Oval capsule.
636
00:37:55,090 –> 00:37:56,530
A capsule.
Yeah, capsule.
637
00:37:56,530 –> 00:37:58,770
Would a capsule craft.
Oh man, that makes it sound like
638
00:37:58,770 –> 00:38:01,170
Dragon.
The ball is invading us, nice
639
00:38:01,210 –> 00:38:04,930
anyway, he said.
This craft started ascending
640
00:38:04,930 –> 00:38:07,650
toward him.
He said it had no visible
641
00:38:07,650 –> 00:38:09,650
rotors, wings, or exhaust.
Right.
642
00:38:09,770 –> 00:38:14,330
He said it started approaching
his fighter jet, and then it
643
00:38:14,370 –> 00:38:19,890
vanished and then reappeared a
few seconds later 60 miles away.
644
00:38:20,690 –> 00:38:24,410
Which that’s pretty neat, if
it’s true.
645
00:38:24,930 –> 00:38:28,030
This is a quote.
The technology that we faced is
646
00:38:28,030 –> 00:38:32,830
far superior to anything that we
had and there’s nothing we can
647
00:38:32,830 –> 00:38:34,350
do about it.
Nothing.
648
00:38:34,670 –> 00:38:36,510
That’s kind of cool.
It’s a good line.
649
00:38:36,670 –> 00:38:40,710
It’s got like, if there really
is nothing, right, We’ll just do
650
00:38:40,710 –> 00:38:42,670
it and let me watch.
Exactly.
651
00:38:42,790 –> 00:38:44,950
Like destroy Earth while I’m
alive.
652
00:38:44,950 –> 00:38:46,870
Please.
Yes, absolutely.
653
00:38:47,150 –> 00:38:50,230
Like I want to see.
That I don’t want Earth to keep
654
00:38:50,230 –> 00:38:52,510
going after I’m gone?
No.
655
00:38:53,950 –> 00:38:57,870
Why would I want that?
People just living their lives,
656
00:38:57,870 –> 00:39:00,870
acting like they’re happy, even
though I’m not around it, right?
657
00:39:01,470 –> 00:39:05,470
How could those two things both
be true at the same time?
658
00:39:06,110 –> 00:39:08,030
I don’t get it.
Yeah, makes no sense.
659
00:39:08,510 –> 00:39:11,510
So what are the government’s
thoughts right, on this?
660
00:39:11,920 –> 00:39:16,200
A top Pentagon official named
Doctor Sean Kirkpatrick called
661
00:39:16,200 –> 00:39:20,640
these hearings insulting.
OK, whatever you say, Sean.
662
00:39:20,640 –> 00:39:24,600
Yeah, he is also a career
military intelligence officer.
663
00:39:25,080 –> 00:39:28,640
So, you know, pick your lesser
of two evils here.
664
00:39:28,760 –> 00:39:32,760
He was named a year ago to lead
the Pentagon’s All Domain
665
00:39:32,760 –> 00:39:37,400
Anomaly Resolution Office, AKA
Arrow.
666
00:39:37,520 –> 00:39:41,400
You know, I know that that is
probably evil.
667
00:39:42,710 –> 00:39:47,710
Like, fundamentally evil, but
it’s it’s a pretty cool name.
668
00:39:47,990 –> 00:39:50,830
It’s a pretty great name, no
doubt about all.
669
00:39:50,830 –> 00:39:54,110
Domain Anomaly Resolution
Office.
670
00:39:54,630 –> 00:39:59,270
And here’s where I’m skeptical.
Apparently this department was
671
00:39:59,510 –> 00:40:04,830
intended to just centralize
investigations into UAP’s.
672
00:40:04,830 –> 00:40:06,950
Sure.
And it’s like, oh, so you mean
673
00:40:06,950 –> 00:40:11,970
the space CIA?
That’s what the CIA was intended
674
00:40:11,970 –> 00:40:14,610
to be, also.
And it’s like, I don’t trust
675
00:40:14,610 –> 00:40:16,490
that that much.
Sorry.
676
00:40:16,690 –> 00:40:19,530
Sure.
Kirkpatrick issued this
677
00:40:19,530 –> 00:40:24,130
condemnation by way of a letter
posted on his personal LinkedIn
678
00:40:24,130 –> 00:40:25,730
page.
This is a quote.
679
00:40:25,890 –> 00:40:30,670
I could not let yesterday’s
hearing pass without sharing how
680
00:40:30,710 –> 00:40:35,630
insulting it was to the officers
of the Department of Defense and
681
00:40:35,630 –> 00:40:41,350
Intelligence Community who chose
to join Arrow, many with not
682
00:40:41,390 –> 00:40:46,630
unreasonable anxieties about the
career risks this would entail.
683
00:40:46,790 –> 00:40:50,750
They are truth seekers, as am I,
But you certainly would not get
684
00:40:50,750 –> 00:40:52,990
that impression from yesterday’s
hearing.
685
00:40:53,070 –> 00:40:54,790
That’s that’s quite an
impression.
686
00:40:54,910 –> 00:40:56,670
You know, his name’s Shanker
Patrick.
687
00:40:56,670 –> 00:41:00,110
I’d probably go with I cannot
let yesterday’s hearing pass
688
00:41:00,110 –> 00:41:01,950
without sharing how insulting it
was.
689
00:41:05,030 –> 00:41:09,390
Either way, I don’t trust Shawn.
No, I don’t trust Shawn at all.
690
00:41:09,550 –> 00:41:13,810
Like, he’s kind of confirming
what this guy’s saying.
691
00:41:13,890 –> 00:41:18,530
For one thing, he’s like, well,
the anxieties over researching
692
00:41:18,530 –> 00:41:20,610
this, those aren’t unreasonable,
sure.
693
00:41:20,730 –> 00:41:24,410
And it’s like, well, that’s what
Grush is saying in this hearing,
694
00:41:24,530 –> 00:41:25,610
too.
Kind.
695
00:41:25,610 –> 00:41:28,450
That’s part of it, yeah.
But yeah, it’s.
696
00:41:28,530 –> 00:41:32,940
It’s also that same thing as and
like there’s a police shooting
697
00:41:33,060 –> 00:41:36,180
and that same Police Department
is like, all right, we’re going
698
00:41:36,180 –> 00:41:38,020
to investigate it and get to the
bottom of it.
699
00:41:38,060 –> 00:41:40,460
It’s like all right, but can
someone else do it also?
700
00:41:41,220 –> 00:41:43,620
Nope.
And like, this is the Pentagon
701
00:41:43,620 –> 00:41:46,740
being like, don’t worry, we’re
looking into what the Pentagon
702
00:41:46,740 –> 00:41:49,820
knows about Ufo’s.
It’s like, I bet you.
703
00:41:49,940 –> 00:41:50,660
Are.
Yeah.
704
00:41:50,780 –> 00:41:53,420
I mean, look, I don’t trust
anybody who’s.
705
00:41:54,660 –> 00:41:57,220
Job title is career intelligence
officer.
706
00:41:57,420 –> 00:41:59,700
No, no.
And that’s the problem.
707
00:41:59,700 –> 00:42:05,260
Like, everyone, on every side of
this is at least kind of an U.S.
708
00:42:05,260 –> 00:42:09,100
intelligence officer, right?
That’s like, what if you’re all
709
00:42:09,100 –> 00:42:13,380
wrong?
So let’s close by talking about
710
00:42:13,700 –> 00:42:19,180
a Internet rumor that came out
of these hearings, which is the
711
00:42:19,180 –> 00:42:24,560
idea that Congress was read a
letter that was written by
712
00:42:24,840 –> 00:42:28,080
aliens.
Sure, this is a claim that
713
00:42:28,080 –> 00:42:30,920
started spreading shortly after
the hearings ended.
714
00:42:31,120 –> 00:42:35,360
It is accompanied by video,
which makes it very convincing.
715
00:42:35,920 –> 00:42:41,200
And the claim was that the
letter in question warned about
716
00:42:41,200 –> 00:42:46,080
the Earth’s eventual destruction
by way of climate change, and
717
00:42:46,080 –> 00:42:50,000
that this letter was read during
these UFO hearings.
718
00:42:50,520 –> 00:42:54,040
It all started with a tweet,
like so many other bad things in
719
00:42:54,040 –> 00:42:58,320
the world do that claim to show
video of that letter being read
720
00:42:58,400 –> 00:43:00,560
at this hearing.
And it’s pretty convincing
721
00:43:00,560 –> 00:43:03,680
stuff, provided you did not
watch the hearings.
722
00:43:04,030 –> 00:43:07,830
Because if you had, you would
recognize immediately that it’s
723
00:43:07,830 –> 00:43:11,710
a completely different hearing.
It’s not from these UFO
724
00:43:11,710 –> 00:43:15,270
hearings.
The video is from an event that
725
00:43:15,270 –> 00:43:18,950
happened 10 years ago at the
National Press Club in
726
00:43:18,950 –> 00:43:23,230
Washington, DC, called the
Citizen Hearing on UFO
727
00:43:23,830 –> 00:43:26,710
Disclosure.
Yeah, the Washington Post
728
00:43:26,710 –> 00:43:30,510
reported on it at the time.
It was not Congress.
729
00:43:30,710 –> 00:43:36,380
It was a group of six former
Congress members who are paid
730
00:43:36,380 –> 00:43:43,220
$20,000 each to sit down and
listen to 30 hours of UFO
731
00:43:43,220 –> 00:43:48,420
testimony from UFO experts who
then filmed it and put it
732
00:43:48,420 –> 00:43:50,140
online.
And they were like, listen,
733
00:43:50,140 –> 00:43:53,220
Congress has taken this
seriously, finally.
734
00:43:54,740 –> 00:44:00,910
But the letter in question is
actually a thing like, right?
735
00:44:01,070 –> 00:44:04,470
We’ll link to one of the
articles that debunks this.
736
00:44:04,670 –> 00:44:09,150
And yes, what they point out is
that this letter in question is
737
00:44:09,150 –> 00:44:12,630
from a book, right?
It’s from a book called The
738
00:44:12,630 –> 00:44:17,310
Keepers in Alien Message for the
Human Race by a guy named Jim
739
00:44:17,310 –> 00:44:18,550
Sparks.
Sure.
740
00:44:18,790 –> 00:44:22,890
And the thing about Jim Sparks
and what makes this so
741
00:44:22,890 –> 00:44:27,010
interesting to me, there was a
point where Jim Sparks was like
742
00:44:27,090 –> 00:44:33,450
one of the preeminent experts,
not only on UFO’s and alien
743
00:44:33,450 –> 00:44:38,570
abductions, but also the notion
that the government is
744
00:44:38,570 –> 00:44:41,290
suppressing alien technology,
right.
745
00:44:41,450 –> 00:44:44,370
That could help us with climate
change.
746
00:44:44,570 –> 00:44:48,730
And he made these claims way,
way back in.
747
00:44:48,890 –> 00:44:54,290
I think it’s 96 or 97.
Like he was saying all of the
748
00:44:54,290 –> 00:44:59,010
same things that like Stephen
Greer and people of the like are
749
00:44:59,010 –> 00:45:02,210
saying now, right?
But Jim Sparks seems to have
750
00:45:02,210 –> 00:45:07,770
just completely disappeared.
I can’t find anything about him
751
00:45:07,850 –> 00:45:11,480
dying.
I can’t find anything about,
752
00:45:11,680 –> 00:45:16,040
like work he’s done since then.
He was interviewed by Art Bell.
753
00:45:16,120 –> 00:45:20,480
There’s an interview out there,
like, you can still find that on
754
00:45:20,480 –> 00:45:23,840
YouTube, but then he just kind
of like, vanishes.
755
00:45:24,000 –> 00:45:28,120
Yeah, the book he wrote, like
the publishing company doesn’t
756
00:45:28,120 –> 00:45:32,200
mention it anymore.
The publishing company also, At
757
00:45:32,200 –> 00:45:34,840
first it looks like a publishing
company still, but then you
758
00:45:34,840 –> 00:45:36,840
Scroll down and now they’re
selling watches.
759
00:45:37,930 –> 00:45:41,770
There’s just like no information
out there about this book
760
00:45:42,090 –> 00:45:44,610
anymore.
But there was a time where
761
00:45:44,610 –> 00:45:48,330
people were like, this guy seems
like he’s not crazy and if you
762
00:45:48,330 –> 00:45:50,330
listen to his interviews, he
doesn’t.
763
00:45:50,450 –> 00:45:53,810
He’s very matter of fact, sure
about everything you know.
764
00:45:55,210 –> 00:45:59,650
Maybe he just went off the grid,
if he’s that much of A climate.
765
00:46:00,000 –> 00:46:03,720
Like, hardcore climate guy.
Maybe he like, he could be.
766
00:46:03,720 –> 00:46:05,480
Yeah, maybe he’s just, like,
chilling.
767
00:46:05,680 –> 00:46:08,320
Yeah.
His name’s again, Jim Sparks, if
768
00:46:08,320 –> 00:46:09,600
you’re listening.
Jim.
769
00:46:09,840 –> 00:46:12,120
Yeah, reach out because.
For sure.
770
00:46:12,280 –> 00:46:13,880
I want to know what happened to
you.
771
00:46:13,880 –> 00:46:17,560
It’s the same thing as in it.
It’s the same thing as the guy
772
00:46:17,680 –> 00:46:22,080
who wrote the book that we based
all of the Jonestown episodes
773
00:46:22,080 –> 00:46:24,280
on, right?
Guy named Michael Myers.
774
00:46:24,400 –> 00:46:25,960
Not that one.
No relation.
775
00:46:26,080 –> 00:46:28,240
Wait, but the other one?
Both.
776
00:46:28,360 –> 00:46:30,610
Yeah, Okay.
He’s actually secretly related
777
00:46:30,610 –> 00:46:32,010
to both.
Government just doesn’t want to
778
00:46:32,010 –> 00:46:34,490
let you know.
And like that guy, too.
779
00:46:34,730 –> 00:46:37,250
Like, he’s just like in the wind
now.
780
00:46:37,490 –> 00:46:41,690
Like, we talked to the publisher
of that book for that episode,
781
00:46:41,770 –> 00:46:45,290
and the guy’s like, yeah, he
just like, showed up and kind of
782
00:46:45,290 –> 00:46:48,380
dropped off his book and we’ve
never fucking heard from him
783
00:46:48,380 –> 00:46:50,700
again.
It’s like, so is that guy the
784
00:46:50,700 –> 00:46:55,300
conspiracy or is Jonestown the
conspiracy, Right.
785
00:46:55,620 –> 00:46:57,940
And it’s the same thing here.
Like, who the fuck is Jim
786
00:46:57,940 –> 00:47:00,180
Sparks?
He’s just like, gone now.
787
00:47:00,900 –> 00:47:05,820
So one of the things I’ve been
kind of kicking around for
788
00:47:06,020 –> 00:47:11,940
possible bonus episodes for the
subscribers is to do like a book
789
00:47:11,940 –> 00:47:16,760
club kind of thing, where we
read a book and talk about it.
790
00:47:16,920 –> 00:47:19,680
And as luck would have it, Jim
Sparks book.
791
00:47:19,680 –> 00:47:24,240
It’s not super easy to find.
Yeah, but by that I just mean if
792
00:47:24,240 –> 00:47:27,280
you stop at Amazon, it’s not
super easy to find.
793
00:47:27,280 –> 00:47:29,120
You can still get it on paper
back there.
794
00:47:29,240 –> 00:47:32,960
Yeah, But you can also get it on
Barnes and Noble as an ebook for
795
00:47:32,960 –> 00:47:35,600
like 799.
And again, the book is called
796
00:47:35,720 –> 00:47:40,240
The Keepers, An Alien Message
for the Human Race by Jim
797
00:47:40,240 –> 00:47:42,160
Sparks.
Now is there an audio book?
798
00:47:42,320 –> 00:47:44,320
There might be.
I have not I’ll.
799
00:47:44,440 –> 00:47:47,960
Have to look that up.
Maybe I could just find some
800
00:47:47,960 –> 00:47:50,720
crazy person who’s read it all
out loud on the Internet.
801
00:47:52,960 –> 00:47:56,320
Yeah, there might be an audio
book also.
802
00:47:56,440 –> 00:48:01,120
I mean, Amazon and Audible are
both essentially Amazon, so
803
00:48:01,120 –> 00:48:02,600
right?
Might not be.
804
00:48:02,600 –> 00:48:04,760
But let’s look.
Yeah, I was going to say there’s
805
00:48:04,760 –> 00:48:07,560
no way that that title hasn’t
been used a billion times.
806
00:48:07,560 –> 00:48:09,880
Yeah, there’s a true crime show
also.
807
00:48:10,280 –> 00:48:15,060
Maybe search for?
The author, Jim, sparks time
808
00:48:15,060 –> 00:48:18,540
travelism, travelism.
Jim Sparks, The Keepers.
809
00:48:18,540 –> 00:48:20,780
That can’t be it.
It’s only an hour and 26 minutes
810
00:48:20,820 –> 00:48:23,380
long.
This is a podcast, yeah, yeah.
811
00:48:23,900 –> 00:48:28,620
But also, it seems like it’s
from 2023, so maybe Jim Sparks
812
00:48:28,660 –> 00:48:33,620
is alive and well, maybe.
Either way, I think on our next
813
00:48:33,620 –> 00:48:35,140
episode, we’re going to cover
that book.
814
00:48:35,260 –> 00:48:38,700
Totally.
And if you, the people at home
815
00:48:38,820 –> 00:48:42,540
want to follow along, just go
find that book and read it.
816
00:48:42,620 –> 00:48:45,660
And hell yeah, we’ll all talk
about it on the next episode.
817
00:48:45,820 –> 00:48:48,540
Until then, I think we did it.
I think so.
818
00:48:48,740 –> 00:48:51,940
I think we, I think we covered
these UFO hearings.
819
00:48:51,980 –> 00:48:53,780
Yeah, I’m convinced.
No, totally.
820
00:48:54,020 –> 00:48:57,580
I wish there was more, you know,
I like I said when I saw people
821
00:48:57,580 –> 00:49:01,210
getting all riled up about.
New alien testimony.
822
00:49:01,210 –> 00:49:04,850
I was like, oh cool, I can’t
wait to see what new evidence
823
00:49:05,130 –> 00:49:08,330
has been announced.
And it really is just a lot more
824
00:49:08,330 –> 00:49:10,570
of the same.
Yeah, like a lot of what we’ve
825
00:49:10,730 –> 00:49:14,010
heard.
But kind of a little bit less
826
00:49:14,210 –> 00:49:15,890
so, Olivia, thank you.
So.
827
00:49:15,890 –> 00:49:19,010
Much thank you.
Do you have anything to plug
828
00:49:19,010 –> 00:49:23,130
before we get out of here?
You can find me on X Hi there.
829
00:49:24,850 –> 00:49:28,730
People hate.
People get mad at me when I I
830
00:49:28,730 –> 00:49:31,210
get mad at you.
Yeah, when I when I call it X
831
00:49:31,210 –> 00:49:34,930
and when I talk about Xing, I
find it Xing.
832
00:49:35,050 –> 00:49:36,290
Is that what they’re calling it
now?
833
00:49:36,290 –> 00:49:37,330
Well.
What else you’re supposed to
834
00:49:37,330 –> 00:49:39,490
fucking call it.
It’s not Twitter anymore, baby.
835
00:49:39,730 –> 00:49:41,370
And on Blue Sky, you call it
Skeet.
836
00:49:41,730 –> 00:49:42,890
Well, no.
Skeet.
837
00:49:42,890 –> 00:49:44,450
Skeet.
See, And that’s one that I
838
00:49:44,490 –> 00:49:45,850
refuse.
Skeet.
839
00:49:45,890 –> 00:49:50,930
I will never see Skeet.
Yeah, fuck it.
840
00:49:47,570 –> 00:49:49,570
Skeet.
And yeah, I don’t think I have
841
00:49:49,570 –> 00:49:51,650
anything to.
Whatever.
842
00:49:51,650 –> 00:49:53,210
Let’s get out of here.
Olivia.
843
00:49:53,210 –> 00:49:54,450
Say goodbye.
Bye.
844
00:49:54,650 –> 00:50:01,920
Goodbye, everybody.
We love you, people of Earth.
845
00:50:02,800 –> 00:50:04,640
Your planet has to be destroyed.
Your planet.
846
00:50:15,760 –> 00:50:16,440
Has to be destroyed.