Adam and Oliva take a deep dive into the notorious 1983 United States invasion of the tiny island nation of Grenada and the nonsense excuses the Reagan administration gave for why it needed to happen.
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Welcome to conspiracy the show.
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your host, Adam Todd Brown and
Olivia haydar Hey everybody,
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Welcome to conspiracy to show.
I am Adam, Todd Brown, who are
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I’m Olivia hide our that I
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believe makes us your host.
Pretty sure.
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Olivia, how’s it going?
It’s going.
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Well, I’m enjoying the current
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It’s not as oppressively hot as
as it has been.
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So, Yeah, I’m digging that.
Yeah, we can record without it
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being a work out.
Exactly.
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Like we’re in a sweatshop.
Yeah not that.
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I couldn’t stand to work out
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while I’m sitting.
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No, that’s for sure.
We are talking about some shit
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this week.
I’ll yeah I’ve been laid up with
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various illnesses and injuries
lately.
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I people know you’ve had a rough
go so I haven’t had a ton of
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time to do research, but who
back on the man, baby?
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And we are doing a deep dive yet
this week into a moment in
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history.
That is very very important sure
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in the big scheme of things,
especially as it pertains to the
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government and our military.
But also a moment in history
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that I don’t think a lot of
people are that familiar with.
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Yeah, I mean, I don’t think
beyond the basic joke of it
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being a very silly and And
frivolous military, exercise.
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I don’t think anybody really has
any understanding of what was
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going on at.
All right.
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And I suppose I’m purpose.
Yeah and I was going to say I
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think that comes down to the
fact that the military didn’t
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allow the press to cover what
they were doing to him.
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We are talking about the 1983
United States Invasion of
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Grenada.
Yeah.
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Which oh man in the Litany of
Ronald Reagan.
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Atrocities.
This kind of kicks them off.
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Yes, is this is like the first
big one.
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It’s early.
I think it’d be like the cold
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open of the Ronald Reagan,
atrocity movie.
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Yeah, because this is, you know,
two years removed from someone
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definitely not the CIA.
Mmm, attempting to assassinate
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him.
Sure.
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And also about two years removed
from the CIA, definitely not
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going to him in his hospital
bed.
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And being like, how do you feel
about invading Grenada?
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Let’s talk about what just
happened to you?
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Yeah, we talked about, Ronald
Reagan’s like excursions in
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Latin America all the time and
in the Caribbean and just
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anywhere that communism, even
sort of look like it was going
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to take, hold right?
And this again is one of the
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earliest examples of it.
Yeah, there’s so many nooks and
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crannies to this story more than
in.
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I think anybody quite realized
this.
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Yeah, I didn’t realize all of
the ins and outs of it.
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It’s a thing.
I think a lot of people don’t
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even know to look into sure
because it was so quick.
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Yeah.
It was in a lot of ways, kind of
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the test run for both of our
Wars in Iraq Wars in Iraq.
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Or, you know, invasions of
Panama like, all of these
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things.
So, let’s go over the basics for
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people who are unfamiliar on
October 25th, 1983 President
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Ronald Reagan ordered US forces
to invade the tiny island nation
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of Grenada.
Yes.
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Which seems like kind of a cool
place, it seems very chill all
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things consist.
It’s an English-speaking nation
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in the Caribbean.
Yeah, which that part rules
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because that means I can travel
there and talk to people.
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Yeah.
So we invaded Grenada, mmm,
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October 25th, 1983 less A week
later, the country’s government
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was overthrown and replaced by
an interim government.
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You’re not going to believe this
chosen by the United States.
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Wow.
Wow.
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We never do that which, so it’s
surprising.
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Yeah.
We normally, just don’t meddle
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in the Affairs of other
countries.
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We had to have had a very good
reason to do it.
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Sure in grenade, I’m sure it
wasn’t just practice, right?
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It was just yeah we definitely
didn’t Keystone Cops our way to
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a victory in this thing.
Yeah.
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The invasion was ostensibly
triggered by tensions within the
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government of Grenada and the
people’s revolutionary
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government.
Yeah.
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Specifically that resulted in
the house arrest and eventual.
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Execution of prime.
Minister, Maurice, Bishop.
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Which that Parts wild.
Yeah.
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And we will get to it but and
people listening aren’t going to
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believe this in the years since
observers and commentators.
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On all sides have kind of
questioned the legitimacy of
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this Invasion.
Yeah, I can’t imagine why.
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I know we’ve got such a strong
track record of telling the
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truth when it comes to war
stuff.
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But in this case there are those
Among Us those who Walk Among
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Us, augmented humans, who
believe that the Reagan
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Administration wasn’t being
completely on the up-and-up.
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Yeah.
So to get to the bottom of what
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happened here.
We have to go back.
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In time a bit, we could go all
the way back to British
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colonial.
I mean, yeah, there’s, there’s a
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whole Litany of atrocities that
led up to this atrocity.
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Yeah.
Shocking.
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I know?
Yeah, that colonialism is
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involved in this specially with
it.
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Being the Caribbean.
Yeah, and there’s the exactly
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Caribbean cruise Caribbean
colonialism, come on, as
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coincidence would have it.
The British Empire was at its
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peak in 1922, which is the same
year.
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A Flamboyant character named
Eric Gary was born in Grenada
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which was part of the British
Empire.
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Yeah, he would go on to become
one of the most important and
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revolutionary figures in the
country.
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He formed the left of center,
Grenada, United, Labour party,
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AKA gulp in 1950.
This guy loves acronyms because
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there’s also Jewel.
Well, I guess Jewels a Current
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guy you all isn’t him but still
there are a lot of acronyms
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involved in this story.
Yes, yes, Gary.
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Held a few different high-level
posts over the years including
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chief minister in the Federation
of the West Indies from 1957 to
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1962.
And for most of his early
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career, he was legitimately
viewed as kind of a
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revolutionary figure and a
positive force in the life of
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grenadians.
Things start to take a turn in
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1969, right?
That’s what a man named Maurice.
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Bishop returned to Grenada after
having studied law in England
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and he shortly thereafter
becomes Gary’s main political
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rival, forming a political
organization called Jewel.
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There we go.
Joint Endeavor for welfare
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education and Liberation that
eventually aligned with a couple
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of other groups.
As you come, the new Jewel
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movement.
Just feel like, there’s no way
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they didn’t come up with A jewel
first and then figure out what
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it stands for.
Yeah but it’s a cool name it is
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like but here’s the thing
because there’s lots of factions
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involved in the story and it
because of the names they do
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kind of start to sound kind of
like g.i.
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Joe battles little bit.
Yeah.
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Oh do they yeah how about the
Mongoose gang?
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That doesn’t sound like g.i.
Joe stuff at all.
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Yeah.
Eric Gary in response to
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Maurice, Bishop returning, and
becoming his primary rival.
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He forms a group called the
Mongoose gang.
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Yeah, he leaves gold for the
mongooses.
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Yeah, to fight Jewel breaks ties
with Cobra Commander and joins
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forces with Mongoose.
Historically, the one animal
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that can kill a snake down.
Wow, right.
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Yeah.
In g.i., Joe ever think of that.
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Did they ever have like a
mongoose on there?
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I don’t know.
They said, oh, just an actual
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Mongoose still ends up killing
Cobra Commander?
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Yeah.
Get in like a bulletproof.
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Vest.
The gun.
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Oh, that’s cute.
Little poppy except mongooses
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are terrifically invasive.
Which is why, like the this team
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was called the Mongoose gay.
Yeah, exactly.
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Where they were called the
Mongoose gang because their
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ranks were cold primarily from
the Ranks of this jobs program.
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Yeah, that Eric Gary, put in
place, back in the 50s and 60s
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that was intended to eradicate
the Mongoose population from the
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tiny island nation of Grenada
because they’re pissed.
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Yeah.
And then the past killers become
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the past.
Well and label themselves to
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Mongoose gang.
It’s pretty convenient to just
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have this whole Army of people.
It’s a cool name, it’s a good
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name, the Mongoose gang, and
their They’re battling their
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archenemy Jewel Jewel which not
to not as cool in the face of
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the Mongoose.
No.
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But then they have the then
Jewel becomes the new Jewel.
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What was it?
The new Jewel movement.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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Something like that.
Yeah.
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So that whole jobs program that
was back in the days when people
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respected Eric Gary as a
revolutionary figure.
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By the time, the Mongoose gang
is established.
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People are already a little
weary of them, right?
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That becomes even more
pronounced in 1973.
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When the Mongoose gang beat
Maurice Bishop like almost to
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death.
Yeah, just whipped the shit out
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of this guy.
This is what happens when you
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give a bunch of guys.
Mongoose bats, instead of loose
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on your political adversaries.
Yeah, you can’t call someone a
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mongoose and expect them to not
act like a mongoose.
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It’s a very aggressive animal
around this time.
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Eric, Gary starts arguing that
Grenada should be granted
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independence from Britain.
Yeah, it’s crazy to think how
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many countries got, like deep
into the Disco era?
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Still being owned by, by written
by Britain or us?
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We just make them States.
Look.
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Yeah.
We, yeah, we totally will make
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him states.
Exactly.
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Just like Puerto Rico.
Yeah.
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Guam in Guam and Islands Virgin
Islands.
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Yeah.
And the Philippines.
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And, yeah, all of these plays,
it’ll be States eventually.
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We’re going to have 67 State 69
States, nice.
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Nice 69.
Is that just isn’t even funny
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anymore.
Not once it’s the number of
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United States.
No, it’s just been run into the
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ground by fucking Elon Musk.
I think it’s just, he’s kind of
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rendered it.
Unfunny I don’t follow Elon Musk
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enough for him.
A rather that you’re funny to
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me.
So Happens in 1974.
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And Eric.
Gary becomes the first prime
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minister of Grenada.
The people were happy,
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obviously.
Sure.
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But also, they were like that.
Guy’s probably just going to
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make himself dictator, right?
Yeah, it doesn’t help these
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beating all of his opponents
with Mongoose bats.
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Yeah.
He’s sick in the Mongoose gang
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on people.
So the nation is like.
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All right?
Yeah, this is cool.
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But cautious.
Yeah, and they were kind of,
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right?
He does just sort of start.
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Eliminating political opponents,
jailing them.
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There was a committee form to
prevent him from just becoming a
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dictator and at one point, they
launched a national strike and a
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protest, and he sent the
Mongoose gang to fuck them,
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right up.
Yeah.
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And not to mention this whole
time.
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The Mongoose population is
exploding because the gang is
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busy focused on the right
political radicals.
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So now I got two problems.
Yeah, yeah,
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counter-revolutionaries.
And Mom.
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Geese Mongoose Mongol.
I think it’s Mongoose like
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plural.
I don’t know.
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Who knows, who knows only a
mongoose.
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So, in this attack Rupert,
Bishop, the father of Maurice.
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Bishop was killed and Gary and
his party when another election
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in 1976, but most observers
deemed that election invalid,
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okay.
On account of how the Mongoose
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gang was sent out to intimidate
voters at the The polls which
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shows got to do something about
this.
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Yeah and you’ll know at no point
have we mentioned the United
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States being upset about any of
this and then United States is
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just watching they’ve got their
popcorn because Eric Gary was
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our guy I don’t think he’s one
of those world leaders that we
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installed my way of a coup.
But once he took over we were
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like, oh this guy’s all right.
Yeah.
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Or at least like he was not
pushing the country.
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Meanest enough that we would
care.
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Any wasn’t rocking the boat.
Yeah, what you find with the
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people who take over after Gary
is out of office?
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They’re not just like making
alliances.
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The United States doesn’t like
they’re like actively calling
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out the United States.
Yeah, and man 1983 was not the
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time to poke the bear when it
comes to Communism.
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Yeah.
And the United States in 1977
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Gary started, receiving counsel
from Augusto Pinochet.
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Of chili.
Oh that guy and how to deal with
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civil unrest?
Yeah.
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The guy who had a Nazi torturer
Camp.
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Yeah.
In his country.
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Well into the 70s and augusto’s
like you have some helicopters.
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He go yeah, free for use, don’t
mind the blood, the police and
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military.
Also received counterinsurgency
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training from the Pinochet
regime.
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Cool.
I bet the people were real
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chill.
Dear about this.
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Yeah.
But this is actually where
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things start to turn in terms of
grenade has relations with the
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United States because in
response to Gary, teaming up
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with chili Maurice, Bishop
starts kind of teaming up with
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Cuba and making alliances
between Cuba and the new Jewel
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movement and, oh, man, the
United States did not like that.
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Yeah, that was a Whoopsie, like
I don’t know what else, what is
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other options were, but that’s
going to cause issues.
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Yeah, especially at this point.
Yeah.
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In history.
Meanwhile, with in Grenada,
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people start worrying about Eric
Gary’s State of Mind.
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Mostly because he all of a
sudden gets really interested in
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UFOs.
Yeah, I love this part in
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October 1977, he addressed the
general assembly of the United
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Nations, urging them to
Establish an agency for psychic
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Research into unidentified,
flying objects and the Bermuda
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Triangle.
Yeah, now, look, you know,
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Granada is very close to the
Bermuda Triangle.
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So I kind of get it, you kind of
want to get that thing locked
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down, see what’s going on.
He also called for 1978 to be
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declared the year of the UFO,
fair enough.
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And and and that was
immediately, granted.
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I assume.
Yes.
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Why, you know why not?
Yeah.
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What what’s it going to A hurt.
Yeah.
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Who cares make it once there was
gonna do anything about it.
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Yeah, that same year, he started
arresting members of the
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political opposition in the
final straw came.
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When a rumor started circulating
that the Mongoose gang was going
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to start murdering people.
Wow.
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Gary was out of the country on
yet, another trip to the UN to
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talk about UFOs.
I’m just realizing his first unv
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visit about UFOs was in October,
77.
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Do you think he just Like really
got into Star Wars.
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It’s possible.
Like Star Wars came out, and it
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just blew his mind.
And it really made him.
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Start thinking about UFOs, we’re
talking about the movie, not the
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Reagan, de phone underrated, the
Fisher, 1977 Star Wars early
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today.
All right, it could be.
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Yeah.
And like Chariots of the Gods
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was earlier that decade and I
understand what the tests are
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coming down here and doing that.
To me man is funny that he just
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gets like super obsessed with
it.
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I also don’t know why he talks
like Elvis.
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Well no he talks like the guy
from Roswell whose name I’m
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blanking on.
Oh Jesse Marcel Jesse Marcel
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proust Marcel.
Man, I saw that you go up there
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in the sky.
You always dee-licious.
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So in response to this rumor,
that the Mongoose gang is going
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to start killing people.
While Gary is out of the
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country.
Maurice, Bishop just launches in
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armed overthrow of the
government.
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While he’s gone kinda makes
sense.
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And it worked and Eric Gary was
talking Hey, stay in the United
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States.
Yeah, for a while.
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All in all not the worst outcome
for a coup.
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Yeah.
Didn’t have to kill that guy.
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He’s out of the country.
He’s alive.
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Yeah, it was a mostly bloodless.
Yeah.
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KU I’m sure it’s the people
died.
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I don’t know.
Yeah.
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Like we’re going far as it goes.
Couple people died.
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Building the Olympics.
Every four years.
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What can you do?
It is true.
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So yeah, he’s suspended the
Constitution and The new Jewel
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movement took over as the ruling
party and at first, his party
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and Maurice.
Bishop.
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We’re both very popular with the
people.
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Their movement came to be known
as The Rev, oh, which is short
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for revolution.
They started jobs programs food,
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programs, education, programs,
all the shit.
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The United States does not like
countries in our half of the
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world doing for their people and
not fans, the education.
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I’m especially was bothersome
because it involves scholarships
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that were mostly usable for
schools in Soviet Bloc
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countries.
Yeah, that’s tough.
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So, this is a country in our own
backyard.
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Seemingly making nice with Cuba
and the Russians and all man, do
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we ever hate that shit?
Yeah, that’s that’ll get you
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that will get you every time.
Also they were working with Cuba
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to maintain and train their
military and police forces.
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Fortunately, for the United
States, there was a lot of
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tension within the njm, the new
Jewel movement, right to the
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point.
That by September 1983 rumors
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started.
Circulating that a high-ranking
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leader in the party.
Bernard coard wanted to have
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Maurice, Bishop killed classic,
which that’s that would be like
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if Mike Pence at some point came
out and was like I’m going to
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have Trump murdered you know, as
opposed to the Other way around,
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which is how it actually
happens.
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Yeah, this news somehow becomes
public and there’s a weird split
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where the public sides with
Maurice Bishop, right?
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But people within the party
leadership are starting to side
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with Bernard coard.
Yeah, the people side with
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Maurice Bishop, because they’re
like, well, I don’t know why you
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want to kill this man, right?
Seems like maybe this is a.
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You problem seems a little
harsh.
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And meanwhile, the CIA is
watching all of this.
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Yes, just rubbing their hands
together.
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Very nice.
Good.
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And it can good.
And in October 1983, the new
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Jewel movement leadership moves
against Maurice Bishop.
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Yeah, and places him under
house.
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Arrest things come to a head on
October 19th.
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Mmm, when a group of Bishop
supporters marched to where he
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was being held Old and just
freed him from house arrest,
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which kind of commendable on the
military’s part because the
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military is who was guarding
him.
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Yeah.
And they to their credit did not
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just Mo people down at is good,
they just, you know, submitted
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to the will of the people and
let Maurice Bishop Go.
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I mean, again these are this is
about as civil as these things
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can never happen, right?
So far so far, again, the United
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States watching and waiting.
Yeah and we’re just loving it.
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It.
Yeah every minute of it there
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had apparently been plans to
have Bishop address a crowd of
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supporters after being freed.
But before that could happen and
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armored vehicle full of Bernard,
coard supporters started
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speeding toward the audience and
what happened.
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Next is, still the subject of
debate, but someone started
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shooting.
Yeah.
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And the other side started
shooting back.
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And in the chaos, Maurice
Bishop, and for other associates
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were rounded up place.
Against a wall and executed.
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Yeah, God damn.
Well not so simple anymore.
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Yeah, that is a bold step.
Yeah.
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And the people who did it like
it’s people within his own
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party, that’s the ruling party.
Yeah.
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And now you got to go turn to
the public and be like, hey,
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guess what we did.
Whoops, we murdered our boss.
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Yeah, and now we’re the boss.
And now, we’re the boss.
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You’re cool with that, right?
I mean it doesn’t really matter
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but because that’s how it is
right?
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But we’re just letting you know
and for the record people were
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not cool.
Oh no that is a shocking
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development that the people of
Grenada did not like it’s tough
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to really even imagine.
Yeah, he’s never been a parallel
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to that in American history.
Like we’ve had leaders, give
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this Aston ated but not like
this.
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This is a whole All different
thing.
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Yeah, this would absolutely be
like, if Marjorie Taylor green
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killed Biden.
Yeah.
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Basically, yeah.
Just like some random person in
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your party.
Who sucks.
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Right.
And comes up and fucking Shanks?
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You, it is like, I’m the
president now.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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That’ll never happen here.
Okay.
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And so yeah, people are like,
hiding in their homes.
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After this happens, there’s a
curfew put in place this new
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Government tells people that
they’ll be shot on sight if they
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ignore that curfew.
Yeah, but then all of that
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saber-rattling toward the
populace, gets toned down a bit.
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When there are rumors that the
United States is going to
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invade.
Yeah, which bad times.
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469
00:27:25,300 –> 00:27:28,200
So now this same government has
to go right back to the people
470
00:27:28,200 –> 00:27:31,200
and be like, hey, all that stuff
about shooting you on site?
471
00:27:31,200 –> 00:27:34,400
We were just mad LOL.
I was just trying to make you
472
00:27:34,400 –> 00:27:36,700
mad, you know?
I don’t mean that.
473
00:27:36,900 –> 00:27:38,800
You know, I love you.
Come on babe.
474
00:27:38,800 –> 00:27:41,500
You know that also everyone grab
a gun.
475
00:27:41,500 –> 00:27:44,900
We need to defend our homeland
or the record.
476
00:27:44,900 –> 00:27:49,500
Yeah, even worse after they pull
off this coup in Murder.
477
00:27:49,500 –> 00:27:52,000
Maurice.
Bishop the government of Grenada
478
00:27:52,000 –> 00:27:55,400
is expecting well Cuban.
Russia got our Baby.
479
00:27:55,400 –> 00:27:57,400
Yeah.
Yeah, they’re going to support
480
00:27:57,400 –> 00:27:59,100
us Cuba.
Yeah.
481
00:27:59,200 –> 00:28:03,100
Was repulsed by this.
Well, yeah, because Castro was
482
00:28:03,500 –> 00:28:06,200
said that he thought he was
friends with Maurice.
483
00:28:06,200 –> 00:28:08,100
Yeah.
They like knew each other.
484
00:28:08,500 –> 00:28:10,100
So of course.
Yeah.
485
00:28:10,100 –> 00:28:12,200
He was friends with Maurice
Bishop.
486
00:28:12,200 –> 00:28:16,000
And after this happened he was
like fuck you what?
487
00:28:16,000 –> 00:28:18,500
Like you murdered the leader of
your country.
488
00:28:18,500 –> 00:28:22,500
I’m not gonna align with you.
Yeah.
489
00:28:22,500 –> 00:28:24,700
It’s not like yeah, you’re not
gonna you’re not making
490
00:28:24,700 –> 00:28:25,900
yourself.
Yourself out to be super
491
00:28:25,900 –> 00:28:29,000
trustworthy.
Killing your allies friend, and
492
00:28:29,000 –> 00:28:32,600
then there was Russia.
Yeah, who was just like, who’s
493
00:28:32,600 –> 00:28:33,500
this?
Yeah.
494
00:28:33,500 –> 00:28:35,800
Like, I’m sorry.
Do you have oil?
495
00:28:35,800 –> 00:28:38,200
I’ve never heard something.
Is there something there that we
496
00:28:38,200 –> 00:28:42,400
need grenade.
Grenade, grenade themes.
497
00:28:42,400 –> 00:28:44,200
Are you want to sell us?
Some grenades.
498
00:28:44,200 –> 00:28:46,100
Is that what you say?
You have cherry juice.
499
00:28:46,100 –> 00:28:47,900
What’s this?
Yeah.
500
00:28:48,000 –> 00:28:50,400
Russia could not have given less
of a fuck.
501
00:28:50,400 –> 00:28:52,200
Yeah.
Because it was too risky for
502
00:28:52,200 –> 00:28:57,000
them course ago intervene, In at
this point, they’re intervening
503
00:28:57,000 –> 00:29:00,100
in our Affairs because it’s
like, think about it, man.
504
00:29:00,100 –> 00:29:05,400
If your cord, the Cuban Missile
Crisis was over Cuba and that
505
00:29:05,400 –> 00:29:10,400
was in the 60s and ended up not
coming to like a full full
506
00:29:10,400 –> 00:29:12,300
scale.
Attack you think?
507
00:29:12,500 –> 00:29:15,700
Russia is gonna come over for
Granada?
508
00:29:15,900 –> 00:29:21,200
Yeah, like, come on Zan.
So, this Invasion starts to seem
509
00:29:21,200 –> 00:29:27,000
inevitable, but the question is,
why Why like, why did the United
510
00:29:27,000 –> 00:29:30,300
States want to invade right?
That’s the question, is it?
511
00:29:30,300 –> 00:29:33,800
Because the leaders of a
political party killed the
512
00:29:33,800 –> 00:29:36,700
actual leader of the party?
Because here’s the thing that’s
513
00:29:36,700 –> 00:29:39,600
a bad look.
Yeah, but harsh as it sounds.
514
00:29:39,600 –> 00:29:41,600
That’s their business.
Exactly.
515
00:29:41,600 –> 00:29:45,400
That is internal dealings.
That this is nothing so far.
516
00:29:45,400 –> 00:29:49,100
Nothing has happened that would
require US military
517
00:29:49,100 –> 00:29:52,700
intervention, right?
And the obvious answer is what
518
00:29:52,700 –> 00:29:54,800
we saw an opportunity to replace
the government.
519
00:29:55,000 –> 00:29:57,800
Get wasn’t friendly to what we
wanted.
520
00:29:57,800 –> 00:30:01,300
We don’t like them.
Yeah, and they’re having
521
00:30:01,300 –> 00:30:03,500
trouble.
So why not?
522
00:30:03,700 –> 00:30:09,200
Because again the Maurice Bishop
regime was aligning with Cuba
523
00:30:09,200 –> 00:30:12,300
and Russia.
Yeah, at least in our eyes and
524
00:30:12,300 –> 00:30:15,900
their rhetoric toward the United
States was really harsh.
525
00:30:15,900 –> 00:30:17,200
Yeah.
Like they were out there on the
526
00:30:17,200 –> 00:30:19,700
world stage calling us monsters
right.
527
00:30:19,700 –> 00:30:22,100
Well but they were also saying
that we could like kill goats
528
00:30:22,100 –> 00:30:24,700
with our mind and shit like you
are Gary.
529
00:30:24,900 –> 00:30:27,400
Three right?
But another point I saw brought
530
00:30:27,400 –> 00:30:31,300
up that was interesting is as a
predominantly English-speaking
531
00:30:31,300 –> 00:30:32,200
Nation.
Yeah.
532
00:30:32,500 –> 00:30:35,800
Their leaders could go out to
like, the black communities in
533
00:30:35,800 –> 00:30:37,700
the United States and talk.
Yeah.
534
00:30:37,700 –> 00:30:40,200
Directly to them and be like
here is what else?
535
00:30:40,200 –> 00:30:42,400
Your government absolutely
getting up to because
536
00:30:42,400 –> 00:30:45,400
motherfuckers Knew, by that
point, what’s government
537
00:30:45,400 –> 00:30:47,900
spending up to in the United
States?
538
00:30:48,000 –> 00:30:52,100
Again, these are not good ideas.
I mean, look, they’re great
539
00:30:52,100 –> 00:30:54,200
ideas.
I got nothing against it, but
540
00:30:54,300 –> 00:30:57,800
just from Personal safety,
Viewpoint, right?
541
00:30:57,800 –> 00:31:02,900
It’s like the u.s. is not gonna
respect that, but so we can’t
542
00:31:02,900 –> 00:31:05,400
just say that, right?
We can’t just be like well we
543
00:31:05,400 –> 00:31:08,500
hate this government, we want to
topple them and this is our
544
00:31:08,500 –> 00:31:11,500
opportunity to do it.
So what’s the excuse?
545
00:31:12,000 –> 00:31:16,300
So we come up with this excuse
that what we’re doing is
546
00:31:16,300 –> 00:31:19,700
actually a rescue operation.
Yeah because this is happening
547
00:31:19,700 –> 00:31:25,000
in the shadow of the Iran
hostage crisis right which Is a
548
00:31:25,008 –> 00:31:28,500
huge debacle.
Huge debacle that got Reagan.
549
00:31:28,900 –> 00:31:33,700
Yeah, elected, definitely with
no CIA intervention at all and
550
00:31:33,800 –> 00:31:38,300
there were hundreds of American
medical students attending st.
551
00:31:38,300 –> 00:31:42,300
George’s University, Medical
School, which is a American
552
00:31:42,300 –> 00:31:45,300
institution, that is in Grenada.
Yeah.
553
00:31:45,300 –> 00:31:49,000
And so that ends up being a
really clever excuse because
554
00:31:49,000 –> 00:31:54,000
something interesting, I read,
if we were to just invade and do
555
00:31:54,000 –> 00:31:58,600
it on some More shit that
requires congress’s approval,
556
00:31:58,600 –> 00:32:00,800
right?
Rescue operations.
557
00:32:00,900 –> 00:32:05,700
Do not so classic because we
called it a rescue operation.
558
00:32:05,700 –> 00:32:10,200
That is how the US military was
able to do this without clearing
559
00:32:10,200 –> 00:32:11,400
it.
Yeah through Congress.
560
00:32:11,400 –> 00:32:13,500
And we’d already used police
action.
561
00:32:13,500 –> 00:32:15,700
So we couldn’t use that one
again, right?
562
00:32:15,700 –> 00:32:18,900
Right.
And so with that operation
563
00:32:19,000 –> 00:32:26,000
urgent Fury commenced on our off
on October 25th. 1983.
564
00:32:26,000 –> 00:32:30,300
Which is an ironic title in that
it was launched as a rescue
565
00:32:30,300 –> 00:32:34,500
operation.
Yeah, we took a day and a half
566
00:32:34,500 –> 00:32:38,500
to get to those students.
Every single one of them could
567
00:32:38,500 –> 00:32:43,000
have been shot in the face.
Yeah, in well before like an
568
00:32:43,000 –> 00:32:46,000
hour like there weren’t that
many like they care killed
569
00:32:46,000 –> 00:32:48,800
everyone if they wanted to.
Yeah, absolutely.
570
00:32:48,900 –> 00:32:53,400
So our response was not urgent
or Furious once we actually
571
00:32:53,400 –> 00:32:57,200
landed, no, it Not it.
Yeah I was going to say what
572
00:32:57,300 –> 00:33:02,000
what the hell is urgent about
anything rescue baby?
573
00:33:03,200 –> 00:33:07,300
It’s such a dumb title.
Look like I hate it so much and
574
00:33:07,300 –> 00:33:12,500
what’s really weird about the
timing of this on October 23rd
575
00:33:12,500 –> 00:33:19,200
1983 is when the bombing of the
Marine Barracks in Beirut
576
00:33:19,200 –> 00:33:24,700
happened, where 241 American
Service members were killed.
577
00:33:24,800 –> 00:33:28,500
Killed and so him, a bunch of
the troops were deployed to
578
00:33:28,500 –> 00:33:29,800
Grenada.
We’re like, we’re going to the
579
00:33:29,808 –> 00:33:31,400
Middle East right going to
Lebanon.
580
00:33:31,500 –> 00:33:33,700
We’re obviously going to Lebanon
to deal with that and they were
581
00:33:33,700 –> 00:33:36,200
like, no, not René de.
Yeah.
582
00:33:36,500 –> 00:33:46,600
And my grandparents are like, oh
man, and in the case of one
583
00:33:46,600 –> 00:33:50,300
group that was sent to Grenada,
they were so unprepared.
584
00:33:50,500 –> 00:33:54,700
They didn’t have maps of Grenada
at their behavior.
585
00:33:54,900 –> 00:33:56,800
Yes, this is what I’m talking
about.
586
00:33:56,900 –> 00:33:59,800
This is real police academy
bullshit.
587
00:33:59,800 –> 00:34:02,500
So yeah.
Someone has to go out and buy
588
00:34:02,500 –> 00:34:07,400
tourist maps of Grenada from
like a local gas station and I’m
589
00:34:07,400 –> 00:34:10,900
sure they bought them to yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
590
00:34:11,000 –> 00:34:14,500
And then they overlaid military
grids and we’re like, here you
591
00:34:14,500 –> 00:34:17,500
go.
And they were also gleaning most
592
00:34:17,500 –> 00:34:21,500
of their intelligence about the
island nation of Grenada, from
593
00:34:21,600 –> 00:34:23,800
articles in The Economist
magazine.
594
00:34:23,900 –> 00:34:25,400
Oh, great.
Great.
595
00:34:26,699 –> 00:34:29,800
But nevertheless.
Yeah, this is persistent.
596
00:34:29,800 –> 00:34:34,000
Yeah, this is the United States.
We’re talking about like Michael
597
00:34:34,000 –> 00:34:36,300
Jordan on a bum knees.
Still Michael.
598
00:34:36,300 –> 00:34:41,500
Jordan has about to say yeah we
tripped and fell and started and
599
00:34:41,500 –> 00:34:47,800
toppled the government.
So yeah, we end up just dropping
600
00:34:47,800 –> 00:34:52,100
the hammer like you gotta
imagine you know people are
601
00:34:52,100 –> 00:34:54,699
coming at him with fucking my
tie.
602
00:34:54,800 –> 00:34:58,200
Sighs.
Yeah, pool flown fucking Garden.
603
00:34:58,200 –> 00:35:01,800
Instruments at us.
As we land like, this is the
604
00:35:01,800 –> 00:35:06,600
Everlasting joke reputation that
I know as someone who grew up
605
00:35:06,600 –> 00:35:10,900
watching 80s, media of like the
guy, who’s like, a veteran of
606
00:35:10,900 –> 00:35:15,800
the Grenada conflict.
So like gets triggered by, you
607
00:35:15,800 –> 00:35:21,400
know, pool floats and shit.
So, yeah, within a few days,
608
00:35:21,400 –> 00:35:23,700
right?
We toppled that government and
609
00:35:23,700 –> 00:35:26,600
put our own interim, government
Place.
610
00:35:26,700 –> 00:35:31,200
Well, I mean, we haven’t even
gotten to how hard we fumbled
611
00:35:31,400 –> 00:35:34,700
doing this and we still fucking
kick.
612
00:35:34,700 –> 00:35:38,200
Like, look, I am not a proud
American, but I will say will
613
00:35:38,200 –> 00:35:40,900
fucking.
I mean, we can kick a nylons.
614
00:35:41,300 –> 00:35:42,400
Yes.
Well, fuck.
615
00:35:42,400 –> 00:35:45,300
A Grenada right up Venezuela,
not so much.
616
00:35:45,300 –> 00:35:50,400
No, but Israel, no Vietnam.
No, now half Hannah Stan not
617
00:35:50,400 –> 00:35:56,400
really oh Grenada but Grenada.
Here we come motherfuckers doing
618
00:35:56,400 –> 00:36:00,500
Panama both yeah and now we’re
next you’re going to like we’re
619
00:36:00,500 –> 00:36:05,700
going to invade Turks and Caicos
probably Trinidad and Tobago.
620
00:36:06,600 –> 00:36:13,100
Why so one of the shadiest
aspects of this invasion is the
621
00:36:13,100 –> 00:36:15,800
media coverage.
I touched on it already a little
622
00:36:15,800 –> 00:36:19,200
bit because by that, I mean
there was no media coverage.
623
00:36:19,600 –> 00:36:22,700
And that’s not a knock against
the media.
624
00:36:22,800 –> 00:36:26,800
No, they wanted to cover it.
It’s just that the Reagan
625
00:36:26,800 –> 00:36:29,000
Administration would not let
them.
626
00:36:29,100 –> 00:36:32,300
Yeah, totally lockdown.
And this is obviously
627
00:36:32,300 –> 00:36:37,100
pre-internet and such and so
getting first-hand reports that
628
00:36:37,100 –> 00:36:39,200
aren’t from the military.
At this point.
629
00:36:39,200 –> 00:36:42,100
R is extremely problematic to
say the least.
630
00:36:42,500 –> 00:36:47,800
And I have read quotes from
military, people involved in
631
00:36:47,800 –> 00:36:49,800
Grenada and Panama.
Ah both.
632
00:36:49,800 –> 00:36:51,900
Yeah.
And guess what they credit with
633
00:36:51,900 –> 00:36:55,000
how quick they were able to get
in and get shit done.
634
00:36:55,200 –> 00:36:57,800
No middle, no, no, no media, no
media.
635
00:36:58,100 –> 00:37:00,600
They didn’t have to answer to
reporters when they were
636
00:37:00,600 –> 00:37:05,100
brutalizing, exactly the
citizenry of Grenada.
637
00:37:05,700 –> 00:37:09,000
I can’t even imagine this is a
quote from the New York Times in
638
00:37:09,008 –> 00:37:13,600
1983 for the last two days, the
Reagan Administration has barred
639
00:37:13,600 –> 00:37:17,500
reporters from Grenada and
imposed extraordinary
640
00:37:17,500 –> 00:37:21,900
restrictions on News coverage of
the military invasion of that
641
00:37:21,900 –> 00:37:23,300
Caribbean island.
Yep.
642
00:37:23,300 –> 00:37:27,800
This is a thing that ended up
carrying on definitely into the
643
00:37:27,800 –> 00:37:30,100
first war in Iraq.
Yeah.
644
00:37:30,100 –> 00:37:33,400
Which we did an episode, we used
to have a podcast called the 90
645
00:37:33,400 –> 00:37:36,200
sucked, which maybe, that’ll be
back someday.
646
00:37:36,300 –> 00:37:40,000
And the first episode was about
the first war in Iraq.
647
00:37:40,000 –> 00:37:43,500
Yeah.
And that was one of the really
648
00:37:43,500 –> 00:37:47,400
unique aspects of that war
compared to our other, like,
649
00:37:47,400 –> 00:37:52,400
large-scale Wars of That nature
is the media access was
650
00:37:52,400 –> 00:37:55,000
restrictive as fuck.
Yes.
651
00:37:55,000 –> 00:37:58,900
You had to pass any story you
wanted to post, you had to run
652
00:37:58,900 –> 00:38:03,400
it by military people.
Yeah and that was different from
653
00:38:03,400 –> 00:38:07,900
like Vietnam where people could
just report all willy-nilly on
654
00:38:07,900 –> 00:38:10,300
whatever they wanted.
They I think weren’t allowed to
655
00:38:10,300 –> 00:38:12,600
report like specific locations
and shit, right?
656
00:38:12,600 –> 00:38:14,700
That makes perfect sense.
Sure.
657
00:38:14,900 –> 00:38:19,100
But otherwise, you just kind of
had to register as press.
658
00:38:19,300 –> 00:38:21,100
And you could do whatever you
wanted in Vietnam.
659
00:38:21,200 –> 00:38:25,700
Yeah we gave up on that shit.
Oh yeah because people really
660
00:38:25,700 –> 00:38:28,400
hated what they were seeing from
Vietnam.
661
00:38:28,600 –> 00:38:31,000
Right?
You did the 90s suck.
662
00:38:31,000 –> 00:38:35,200
We could always do the 2000s
suck or the 80s or the 80s.
663
00:38:35,200 –> 00:38:36,400
Yeah.
Go backwards.
664
00:38:36,500 –> 00:38:39,300
Yeah.
I need the, I hate the 80s world
665
00:38:39,300 –> 00:38:40,600
sucks.
Yep.
666
00:38:41,500 –> 00:38:46,100
God cast.
So basically reporters had to
667
00:38:46,100 –> 00:38:51,700
rely on like ham radio operator.
Yes, and radio Havana for
668
00:38:51,700 –> 00:38:55,900
reports on what was happening
and the military’s argument was
669
00:38:55,900 –> 00:38:58,500
well, we can’t guarantee any
reporters safety.
670
00:38:58,500 –> 00:39:00,900
Yeah, sure.
And it’s like, oh yeah, no shit
671
00:39:01,100 –> 00:39:03,000
war zone.
You can’t.
672
00:39:03,800 –> 00:39:07,700
It’s a, it’s not a war zone.
It’s a rescue operation Zone.
673
00:39:07,800 –> 00:39:09,800
True.
True forget that.
674
00:39:09,800 –> 00:39:14,100
Yeah, no, I mean that’s
obviously a ridiculous lie.
675
00:39:14,100 –> 00:39:17,500
Absurd, excuse.
It is funny to think that the
676
00:39:17,500 –> 00:39:21,200
American Military would rather
Reporters get their news from
677
00:39:21,200 –> 00:39:24,700
Radio of Anna, right?
Like it just feels like maybe
678
00:39:24,800 –> 00:39:28,500
that’s a miscalculation well
because then and I’m not even
679
00:39:28,500 –> 00:39:30,900
saying this is a joke, then they
can just be like, well that’s
680
00:39:30,900 –> 00:39:33,300
not credible, it’s right?
Of course you have no.
681
00:39:33,600 –> 00:39:35,600
Actually, you know what that
makes sense?
682
00:39:35,600 –> 00:39:37,600
Yeah.
So yeah, we just didn’t want
683
00:39:37,600 –> 00:39:40,600
people to be able to report on
what we were doing there.
684
00:39:40,900 –> 00:39:43,300
At one point a small group of
reporters.
685
00:39:43,300 –> 00:39:44,800
I think from The Washington
Post.
686
00:39:44,800 –> 00:39:47,500
Yeah did make it to Grenada.
Yeah.
687
00:39:47,700 –> 00:39:51,000
And you especially All forces
immediately picked them up and
688
00:39:51,000 –> 00:39:53,700
then took them to an aircraft
carrier ran through an explosive
689
00:39:53,700 –> 00:39:55,600
Bali volleyball at their boat,
right?
690
00:39:55,600 –> 00:39:57,900
That’s exactly.
That’s a hunter hunter and I’m a
691
00:39:57,900 –> 00:40:01,200
reference for the Nerds.
This is another quote for the
692
00:40:01,200 –> 00:40:04,100
Washington Post nerds.
I’m screaming about it because
693
00:40:04,100 –> 00:40:08,000
writing letters takes too long.
I think, a secret War like
694
00:40:08,000 –> 00:40:11,700
secret government is
antithetical to an open Society
695
00:40:11,700 –> 00:40:14,500
him.
It’s absolutely outrageous.
696
00:40:14,600 –> 00:40:18,100
That’s Howard, Simon’s managing
editor of the Washington Post at
697
00:40:18,100 –> 00:40:20,400
the time and he’s right, Yeah,
he’s right.
698
00:40:20,400 –> 00:40:22,100
And also.
What are you going to do?
699
00:40:22,200 –> 00:40:24,500
Howard Simon’s.
I wonder if that’s the guy that
700
00:40:24,500 –> 00:40:27,900
Tom Hanks played in the post.
I’m trying to remember what his
701
00:40:27,900 –> 00:40:30,400
name was the time frame works.
Yeah.
702
00:40:30,700 –> 00:40:31,800
Yeah.
I could see that.
703
00:40:31,900 –> 00:40:33,100
But yeah, what are you going to
do?
704
00:40:33,300 –> 00:40:37,300
But like this was over before
like people were still arguing
705
00:40:37,300 –> 00:40:40,200
about whether they should be
able to cover it exactly over by
706
00:40:40,200 –> 00:40:41,900
then.
So at that point.
707
00:40:41,900 –> 00:40:44,500
Yeah go in and have a look.
Yeah.
708
00:40:44,600 –> 00:40:49,200
So almost immediately after the
invasion started holes, I’ll
709
00:40:49,207 –> 00:40:52,500
start forming in our official
cover story, if you can believe
710
00:40:52,500 –> 00:40:54,300
it.
I mean, it’s tough because it’s
711
00:40:54,700 –> 00:40:59,300
such a believable excuse.
Yeah, we have to save these
712
00:40:59,300 –> 00:41:03,400
American students.
Yeah, who are so clearly in
713
00:41:03,400 –> 00:41:06,400
Dane.
Yeah, there’s so imperiled.
714
00:41:06,400 –> 00:41:10,300
Look at the guys, tell him how
imperiled you are for starters.
715
00:41:10,400 –> 00:41:13,000
Charles Modica, the chancellor
of st.
716
00:41:13,000 –> 00:41:15,400
George’s University.
School of Medicine said, in
717
00:41:15,400 –> 00:41:18,300
several different press and TV
interviews.
718
00:41:18,300 –> 00:41:20,900
That he The students were in no
danger.
719
00:41:21,000 –> 00:41:23,700
Yeah.
In fact, the curfew that was
720
00:41:23,700 –> 00:41:27,900
imposed by the new regime was
actually lifted the Monday
721
00:41:27,900 –> 00:41:32,000
before The Invasion and the
airport was reopened.
722
00:41:32,500 –> 00:41:36,000
So any foreigners who wanted to
leave could do so yeah and I
723
00:41:36,000 –> 00:41:39,500
don’t think I put it in the
notes but there’s a quote from
724
00:41:39,500 –> 00:41:42,300
the Canadian prime minister at
the time who’s like?
725
00:41:42,300 –> 00:41:46,800
Well if that’s true you had no
reason to invade this country.
726
00:41:46,800 –> 00:41:49,000
Yeah, because that was your
whole experience.
727
00:41:49,100 –> 00:41:51,600
Excuse, yep.
As we gotta rescue these
728
00:41:51,600 –> 00:41:55,300
students in this country’s like
now they can fly out.
729
00:41:55,300 –> 00:41:57,700
If you want is fine, they don’t
want to leave.
730
00:41:57,800 –> 00:42:02,000
So that’s the other thing.
Not only did Grenada make it
731
00:42:02,000 –> 00:42:04,100
clear that they could leave if
they wanted to.
732
00:42:04,200 –> 00:42:07,600
Yeah, something like 50 or 60 of
them, wanted to leave the rest
733
00:42:07,600 –> 00:42:10,500
were like, no, it’s fine, it
seems fine, we’ll be fine.
734
00:42:10,600 –> 00:42:14,400
Also a group called the parents
Network, who were relatives of
735
00:42:14,400 –> 00:42:17,600
us students.
In Grenada sent a telegram to
736
00:42:17,600 –> 00:42:21,900
Reagan, saying their kids, We’re
safe and urging him not to take
737
00:42:21,900 –> 00:42:26,100
quote precipitous, or
provocative action at this time
738
00:42:26,200 –> 00:42:28,900
Reagan, wiped his ass with it
because didn’t matter.
739
00:42:28,900 –> 00:42:30,800
Yeah.
And that’s that this is what
740
00:42:30,800 –> 00:42:33,000
we’re doing.
Like, that’s the other thing.
741
00:42:33,000 –> 00:42:36,300
It’s not just that we didn’t
need to go in and save these
742
00:42:36,300 –> 00:42:38,900
kids.
Yeah, we put them in more danger
743
00:42:38,900 –> 00:42:42,200
by going in and doing this.
Absolutely.
744
00:42:42,500 –> 00:42:46,700
Absolutely, you’re in so much
more danger once the u.s.
745
00:42:46,700 –> 00:42:50,700
Comfort like military arrives.
Starts bombing each other
746
00:42:51,400 –> 00:42:53,700
fucking, you know, it’s just
crazy.
747
00:42:53,800 –> 00:42:57,800
And also, if the objective is
just to rescue these students
748
00:42:57,900 –> 00:43:02,700
fucking parachute into where the
students are sure form a marine
749
00:43:02,700 –> 00:43:07,700
circle around ups and be like
hey, fucking touch these kids.
750
00:43:07,700 –> 00:43:09,100
Yeah.
If you think that’s what you
751
00:43:09,100 –> 00:43:12,500
want to do, I mean there’s lots
of other ways they could handle
752
00:43:12,500 –> 00:43:15,100
it if they actually wanted to
rescue these kids.
753
00:43:15,100 –> 00:43:18,400
The problem was that wasn’t
actually why they wanted to go.
754
00:43:19,200 –> 00:43:22,700
This is another quote from Gene
Berman, who son, Daniel was in
755
00:43:22,700 –> 00:43:24,900
grenade.
At the time, she was speaking to
756
00:43:24,900 –> 00:43:28,000
the Philadelphia, Inquirer
Reagan is not getting his facts.
757
00:43:28,000 –> 00:43:32,000
Straight yesterday was peaceful
in Grenada and only 50 to 60
758
00:43:32,000 –> 00:43:35,400
students wanted to leave.
Now Reagan is saying more than
759
00:43:35,400 –> 00:43:38,200
300 students.
Want to leave of course.
760
00:43:38,200 –> 00:43:42,500
Today they would when their
island is overrun by Marines.
761
00:43:42,600 –> 00:43:45,000
Yep.
And even then 300, is still just
762
00:43:45,000 –> 00:43:47,700
a fraction of the students who
were there.
763
00:43:48,000 –> 00:43:49,800
Yeah.
And the misguided Calculation
764
00:43:49,800 –> 00:43:54,000
that she’s making is that
Reagan, is not getting his facts
765
00:43:54,000 –> 00:43:57,500
wrong, right?
He just is ignoring them because
766
00:43:57,500 –> 00:43:59,600
they don’t suit what his agenda
is.
767
00:43:59,600 –> 00:44:01,700
Yeah there was also a guy named
dr.
768
00:44:01,700 –> 00:44:06,500
Peter born went on ABC Nightly
News to tell the world that the
769
00:44:06,500 –> 00:44:10,000
medical school had been quote,
completely protected.
770
00:44:10,000 –> 00:44:12,500
The students and faculty were
totally safe.
771
00:44:12,600 –> 00:44:16,300
And there was no justification
whatsoever for The Invasion.
772
00:44:16,300 –> 00:44:18,800
Yeah, a couple days before the
invasion.
773
00:44:19,200 –> 00:44:22,400
Test the Grenadian government
sent a cable to the US Embassy
774
00:44:22,400 –> 00:44:24,500
in.
Barbados that said this Grenada
775
00:44:24,500 –> 00:44:28,700
has not and is not threatening
the use of force against any
776
00:44:28,700 –> 00:44:32,500
country and we do not have any
such aspirations.
777
00:44:32,500 –> 00:44:37,800
We reiterate that the lives
well-being and property of every
778
00:44:37,800 –> 00:44:42,600
American and other foreign
citizen residing in Grenada are
779
00:44:42,600 –> 00:44:45,700
fully protected and guaranteed
by our government.
780
00:44:45,700 –> 00:44:49,000
There is absolutely no basis
whatsoever.
781
00:44:49,400 –> 00:44:52,400
For any country.
Launching an invasion of our
782
00:44:52,400 –> 00:44:54,900
Beloved Country and Homeland.
Yeah.
783
00:44:54,900 –> 00:44:57,600
And we were like, fuck you.
Yeah.
784
00:44:57,600 –> 00:44:59,000
They’re here.
Please, bro.
785
00:44:59,000 –> 00:45:02,100
Please please, bro.
Please bro, please please.
786
00:45:02,600 –> 00:45:06,200
And the Americas just like no,
unfortunately do it.
787
00:45:06,500 –> 00:45:10,200
This, there’s no stopping this.
Yeah, they’re like we have kids
788
00:45:10,200 –> 00:45:12,900
and we’re like we don’t carry
like that actually.
789
00:45:12,900 –> 00:45:15,800
That’s actually better young.
Yeah.
790
00:45:22,100 –> 00:45:25,900
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Let’s get back to the show.
So, no worries, that public
803
00:46:14,400 –> 00:46:17,900
opinion turned against our
excuse for being in Grenada.
804
00:46:17,900 –> 00:46:19,800
We just made up some new
excuses.
805
00:46:19,900 –> 00:46:22,300
Sure.
First, we claimed that a
806
00:46:22,300 –> 00:46:29,000
coalition of Caribbean Nations
asked us to invade in response
807
00:46:29,000 –> 00:46:32,600
to the murder of prime minister.
Maurice, Bishop, our girlfriend
808
00:46:32,600 –> 00:46:34,800
Estes to video.
Haven’t met her yet.
809
00:46:34,800 –> 00:46:38,600
Elizabeth Caribbean nation.
And there were a couple problems
810
00:46:38,600 –> 00:46:42,300
with that, excuse for starters,
even if we were asked, Still
811
00:46:42,300 –> 00:46:46,100
illegal the way we launched.
This invasion was still illegal.
812
00:46:46,100 –> 00:46:50,000
Yeah it’s like if your friend
asks you to buy some heroin yeah
813
00:46:50,000 –> 00:46:53,900
it doesn’t mean that it’s not
illegal and never mind that part
814
00:46:53,900 –> 00:46:57,400
where now this new excuse would
have required Congressional.
815
00:46:57,700 –> 00:46:59,700
Yeah approval.
So you just lie.
816
00:46:59,900 –> 00:47:03,400
Circumvented that but that’s
just a Reagan way.
817
00:47:04,000 –> 00:47:07,400
Also the it was a last-minute
thing.
818
00:47:07,500 –> 00:47:10,800
Got blown up a little bit when
people pointed out something
819
00:47:10,800 –> 00:47:15,000
called ocean, Enter 82.
That was the name of a joint
820
00:47:15,000 –> 00:47:19,900
military exercise between the US
Marines and the Army Rangers,
821
00:47:20,000 –> 00:47:24,100
coincidentally, the exact same
groups who invaded Grenada.
822
00:47:24,100 –> 00:47:28,200
It happened in 1981 in the
exercise so he couldn’t even
823
00:47:28,200 –> 00:47:31,800
have called it ocean Venture 81
at, I don’t know.
824
00:47:31,900 –> 00:47:33,400
It’s the government we’re
talking about.
825
00:47:33,500 –> 00:47:36,200
He’s they probably paid.
Someone 100,000 dollars to come
826
00:47:36,200 –> 00:47:41,500
up with a name in the exercise.
A mock invasion of a Caribbean
827
00:47:41,500 –> 00:47:44,700
Island.
End code named Amber and
828
00:47:44,700 –> 00:47:46,700
belonging to an island chain
called.
829
00:47:46,700 –> 00:47:51,900
The Amber Dean’s was launched in
response to a Marxist regime
830
00:47:51,900 –> 00:47:58,600
kidnapping us Nationals and that
exercise involved saving those
831
00:47:58,600 –> 00:48:02,700
hostages and installing a new
regime in the country.
832
00:48:02,700 –> 00:48:06,900
Which is everything we did or at
least claimed to be doing right,
833
00:48:06,900 –> 00:48:09,700
when the actual event happened
worth noting.
834
00:48:09,700 –> 00:48:15,100
Amber is a A region in, I
believe the southern part of
835
00:48:15,100 –> 00:48:19,500
Grenada, oh, and Grenada is part
of an island chain called the
836
00:48:19,500 –> 00:48:20,800
Grenadier.
The Grenadines.
837
00:48:20,800 –> 00:48:22,500
Yeah.
So Amber, and the Amber Dean’s
838
00:48:22,500 –> 00:48:25,800
is just a play on Grenada in the
Grenadines.
839
00:48:27,400 –> 00:48:30,700
Maurice Bishop actually gave a
speech at one point before he
840
00:48:30,700 –> 00:48:33,200
died was like, hey, they’re
going to invade us.
841
00:48:34,100 –> 00:48:38,100
That’s what that’s about.
They are practicing to invade
842
00:48:38,100 –> 00:48:40,800
us.
Yeah, and we were like, ah, shut
843
00:48:40,800 –> 00:48:43,600
up crazy, man.
Bernhard cord is too busy like
844
00:48:43,600 –> 00:48:47,100
jerking off.
Over the idea of killing him to
845
00:48:47,100 –> 00:48:50,900
listen, another huge coincidence
and granted.
846
00:48:50,900 –> 00:48:56,900
This is according to a communist
publication from 1983 but then
847
00:48:56,900 –> 00:49:01,900
vice president and former CIA
director, George h.w., Bush just
848
00:49:01,900 –> 00:49:06,100
happened to be in Jamaica
visiting that countries right
849
00:49:06,100 –> 00:49:09,300
wing leader.
Edward C, Agha just eight days
850
00:49:09,300 –> 00:49:11,700
before The Invasion and just
too.
851
00:49:11,900 –> 00:49:14,900
Two days before the death of
Maurice Bishop.
852
00:49:14,900 –> 00:49:18,500
Wow and does that mean the CIA
was involved in the death of
853
00:49:18,500 –> 00:49:22,300
Maurice Bishop?
Yeah, probably know what are you
854
00:49:22,300 –> 00:49:25,600
talking about?
No One’s Gonna Be able to prove
855
00:49:25,600 –> 00:49:31,400
it so she’s and at the same time
of the invasion, one prominent
856
00:49:31,400 –> 00:49:34,700
voice, Yale Professor Wendell
Bell who specializes in
857
00:49:34,700 –> 00:49:38,200
Caribbean studies suggested.
There were reports that CIA
858
00:49:38,200 –> 00:49:41,800
agents in Grenada quote were
scheming to overthrow.
859
00:49:41,900 –> 00:49:44,400
Sup and egged on Bishops
detractors.
860
00:49:44,400 –> 00:49:48,100
No, no.
We haven’t seen that with
861
00:49:48,200 –> 00:49:50,900
several other political
assassinations in the past, like
862
00:49:50,900 –> 00:49:54,300
Malcolm X.
For example, where the FBI was
863
00:49:54,300 –> 00:49:58,100
deep in the Nation of Islam.
Yeah, they didn’t shoot Malcolm
864
00:49:58,100 –> 00:50:01,600
X but they put the idea in the
head of whoever shot Malcolm X.
865
00:50:01,600 –> 00:50:04,600
That’s for damn sure.
So Wendell Bell is an important
866
00:50:04,600 –> 00:50:08,800
figure here because he also
wrote a pretty interesting paper
867
00:50:08,900 –> 00:50:11,700
about the Grenada Invasion.
Several years after the fact
868
00:50:11,800 –> 00:50:15,300
Fact will link to it in the show
notes, it’s not that long, it’s
869
00:50:15,300 –> 00:50:19,600
about 16 Pages, it’s not that
unwieldy and in it.
870
00:50:19,700 –> 00:50:23,800
He takes on a couple more of the
Reagan administration’s excuses
871
00:50:23,900 –> 00:50:26,800
for launching this Invasion
because that’s what happened.
872
00:50:26,800 –> 00:50:30,800
They claimed it was that the
Reagan Administration is for the
873
00:50:30,800 –> 00:50:31,700
children.
Hmm.
874
00:50:32,000 –> 00:50:35,600
And that we were just going in
to save the kids and then the
875
00:50:35,600 –> 00:50:37,800
parent year old 25 year old
kids.
876
00:50:37,800 –> 00:50:41,700
Yeah, the adults basically, and
those adults parents were like
877
00:50:41,800 –> 00:50:44,700
We don’t need to do that.
That was actually kind of put
878
00:50:44,700 –> 00:50:47,000
them in more danger.
And then Reagan was like, well,
879
00:50:47,000 –> 00:50:50,200
okay, different excuse is what
he was like.
880
00:50:50,200 –> 00:50:53,600
Yeah.
And then the excuse changes.
881
00:50:53,800 –> 00:50:58,500
Yeah.
And one of their new excuses for
882
00:50:58,500 –> 00:51:01,900
why they had to invade was that
if we didn’t Grenada was going
883
00:51:01,900 –> 00:51:05,600
to turn into a Soviet Cuban
military Bastion.
884
00:51:05,700 –> 00:51:08,900
Mmm.
Right in our own backyard and in
885
00:51:08,900 –> 00:51:11,800
a speech, he claimed that we got
there just in time.
886
00:51:11,800 –> 00:51:14,500
In time because a bunch of
Communists, had started
887
00:51:14,500 –> 00:51:17,600
accumulating a bunch of weapons.
That’s why they didn’t have a
888
00:51:17,600 –> 00:51:19,800
map because they were in such a
hurry, right?
889
00:51:19,800 –> 00:51:25,900
They hit their yeah, the Grenada
Beacon lit up above the
890
00:51:25,900 –> 00:51:29,400
Washington, d.c.
Skies, we had to get down there.
891
00:51:29,800 –> 00:51:33,800
I just I just find it funny that
they did this whole training
892
00:51:33,800 –> 00:51:38,300
exercise of going through
exactly how we’re gonna have
893
00:51:38,300 –> 00:51:41,700
this Invasion and then they
still fuck up.
894
00:51:41,900 –> 00:51:45,400
Every goddamn step of the way,
all the way to victory.
895
00:51:45,700 –> 00:51:50,000
That sounds like us in war.
Really, that our most powerful
896
00:51:50,000 –> 00:51:54,600
weapon is talking about how
strong our military because once
897
00:51:54,600 –> 00:51:56,800
you get them on the field.
Oh, man.
898
00:51:56,900 –> 00:52:01,000
So yeah, while it’s true that
they did find weapons Wendell
899
00:52:01,000 –> 00:52:05,100
Bell points out that it likely
had way more to do with this
900
00:52:05,100 –> 00:52:08,200
government that had just taken
over trying to bolster their
901
00:52:08,200 –> 00:52:12,100
military in general.
Yeah, I don’t know that I I find
902
00:52:12,100 –> 00:52:16,600
it that surprising that you
found weapons now in a country.
903
00:52:16,600 –> 00:52:22,300
Yeah you’d find them here too.
No shit more and also one of the
904
00:52:22,300 –> 00:52:28,000
things that Wendell Bell brings
up is yes we found a stockpile
905
00:52:28,000 –> 00:52:32,300
of weapons but at the time
before the murder of Maurice,
906
00:52:32,300 –> 00:52:36,000
Bishop Grenada was trying to
build up like a citizen militia.
907
00:52:36,100 –> 00:52:37,800
Yeah.
Which would be like their
908
00:52:37,800 –> 00:52:41,700
version of like the fucking
Coast.
909
00:52:41,800 –> 00:52:45,800
Hard sure or whatever Army
Reserves shit like that.
910
00:52:45,800 –> 00:52:50,300
Yeah and what they were afraid
of after Maurice Bishop was
911
00:52:50,300 –> 00:52:53,900
murdered was oh all those
citizens that we just trained to
912
00:52:53,900 –> 00:52:55,800
use guns.
Yeah they’re probably going to
913
00:52:55,800 –> 00:52:59,200
use those guns on us because
they’re mad now so they
914
00:52:59,200 –> 00:53:04,500
disbanded that citizen militia
so it’s just as possible that
915
00:53:04,500 –> 00:53:08,500
the stockpile of weapons we
found were weapons Grenada took
916
00:53:08,500 –> 00:53:11,500
from their own people.
So actually there were fewer
917
00:53:11,800 –> 00:53:15,400
Guns in the hands of Grenadian.
Also like fine.
918
00:53:15,500 –> 00:53:20,100
I just feel like stockpile of
weapons, no elaboration on what
919
00:53:20,100 –> 00:53:23,300
that means as far as what
weapons were in the stockpile
920
00:53:23,700 –> 00:53:27,700
and I’m sorry like I feel like
we need that.
921
00:53:27,700 –> 00:53:32,000
Your needs to be like a tier
system like the weapons, that
922
00:53:32,000 –> 00:53:35,400
would make it appropriate for us
to then invade a nation.
923
00:53:35,400 –> 00:53:38,000
Rise, are we just talking about
Small Arms here?
924
00:53:38,100 –> 00:53:41,100
Because I mean sounds like yeah
it’s we’re just talking like
925
00:53:41,100 –> 00:53:43,500
rifles.
Shane got invention of weapons
926
00:53:43,500 –> 00:53:45,500
and then like maybe some
missiles.
927
00:53:45,500 –> 00:53:49,300
Yeah, you don’t get to invade
over that and also don’t forget
928
00:53:49,300 –> 00:53:55,700
after Bishop was killed Cuba.
Like severed ties with Grenada
929
00:53:55,700 –> 00:53:57,800
in Russia was like when I’m
fucking care.
930
00:53:57,900 –> 00:54:00,900
Yeah.
So all of that was our like that
931
00:54:00,900 –> 00:54:05,100
argument was undone before The
Invasion even started.
932
00:54:05,100 –> 00:54:10,800
Yeah, I think it’s telling how
vital Grenada was to the
933
00:54:10,900 –> 00:54:14,000
Russian.
Cuban system that they were
934
00:54:14,000 –> 00:54:18,400
totally fine with the u.s. just
bulldozing out over and
935
00:54:18,400 –> 00:54:21,000
installing whatever they wanted
right in their backyard.
936
00:54:21,100 –> 00:54:24,700
Yeah, yeah.
And then there’s the airport at
937
00:54:24,700 –> 00:54:26,600
Point Salinas.
Yes.
938
00:54:26,800 –> 00:54:30,500
Well before The Invasion, the
Reagan Administration was
939
00:54:30,500 –> 00:54:35,300
showing the American public like
satellite images of this new
940
00:54:35,700 –> 00:54:39,200
military airport.
This is this is the US
941
00:54:39,200 –> 00:54:41,600
government version of foreplay a
little bit.
942
00:54:42,000 –> 00:54:46,800
We got to get you lubed up by
showing you some potential
943
00:54:46,800 –> 00:54:52,500
images of military things.
And what’s funny about this they
944
00:54:52,500 –> 00:54:56,400
presented it as a thing that was
being constructed by the Soviets
945
00:54:56,400 –> 00:54:59,900
and the Cubans in Grenada so
they would have a new military
946
00:54:59,900 –> 00:55:04,100
airport there and they present
these images to the people.
947
00:55:04,100 –> 00:55:08,300
As if to say oh look what we
found on our new fangled spy
948
00:55:08,300 –> 00:55:10,800
equipment.
Meanwhile this was just a huge
949
00:55:10,800 –> 00:55:12,700
public Eject.
Yeah.
950
00:55:12,900 –> 00:55:17,600
In Grenada they had been there
was an American dredging company
951
00:55:17,600 –> 00:55:21,600
culture from Miami working on
the project people in Grenada
952
00:55:21,600 –> 00:55:24,000
were using the site as like a
public park.
953
00:55:24,000 –> 00:55:26,700
Yeah, while it was under
construction, those American
954
00:55:26,700 –> 00:55:29,300
students.
Used it as a jogging track
955
00:55:29,300 –> 00:55:32,900
great.
So this wasn’t a secret military
956
00:55:32,900 –> 00:55:35,100
thing.
It’s just our government
957
00:55:35,100 –> 00:55:38,700
controls the media here.
So they were able to present it
958
00:55:38,700 –> 00:55:41,600
that way, right?
And no one questioned it and
959
00:55:41,800 –> 00:55:44,800
Wasn’t for military purposes.
It was for tourism.
960
00:55:44,900 –> 00:55:48,800
Yeah it was a big ol airport,
like have really, it’s just
961
00:55:48,800 –> 00:55:52,000
like, there’s no weapons.
There’s no missiles.
962
00:55:52,100 –> 00:55:55,900
That’s the other thing.
Someone pointed out that if this
963
00:55:55,900 –> 00:55:59,700
was a military airport, they
would have like, fortified fuel
964
00:55:59,700 –> 00:56:04,400
tanks guns and anti-aircraft
defenses, fence.
965
00:56:04,500 –> 00:56:10,300
Yeah, you know, it would look
like some military shit, but
966
00:56:10,300 –> 00:56:15,500
really it’s so, So silly.
But it’s so depressing because a
967
00:56:15,500 –> 00:56:17,300
bunch of people were does it
work?
968
00:56:17,300 –> 00:56:19,800
Yeah.
It worked and the American
969
00:56:19,900 –> 00:56:24,700
government installed this you
know dictatorship and we
970
00:56:24,700 –> 00:56:27,000
probably killed a bunch of
people who didn’t need to die
971
00:56:27,000 –> 00:56:29,900
and it’s just awful.
Yeah silly.
972
00:56:30,000 –> 00:56:34,100
Yeah they were openly cording
like Western European countries
973
00:56:34,100 –> 00:56:38,800
at the time to make Grenada of
tourist destination and they had
974
00:56:38,800 –> 00:56:41,300
a pretty robust tourist industry
already.
975
00:56:41,400 –> 00:56:43,900
Yeah.
They just didn’t have the right
976
00:56:43,900 –> 00:56:46,400
airport to really seize on it,
right?
977
00:56:46,500 –> 00:56:49,900
So that’s all this was and you
know, that’s all it was because
978
00:56:49,900 –> 00:56:54,000
there was a Canadian firm that
was building a 16 million dollar
979
00:56:54,000 –> 00:56:57,100
hotel in the area which you
don’t do near Military.
980
00:56:57,100 –> 00:56:59,800
Generally not base, they frown
on that.
981
00:56:59,800 –> 00:57:03,500
Usually there’s the British firm
that pointed out that it didn’t
982
00:57:03,500 –> 00:57:07,300
have any of the things a
military airport would have.
983
00:57:07,500 –> 00:57:11,600
Meanwhile Reagan la la la la.
Yeah, not listening to you all.
984
00:57:11,700 –> 00:57:16,900
Also funded by Cuba is a little
misleading because what happened
985
00:57:16,900 –> 00:57:22,500
is Grenada plan this airport and
first they reached out to us and
986
00:57:22,500 –> 00:57:24,500
we were like, no we’re not
getting you.
987
00:57:24,500 –> 00:57:26,400
Do you have oil?
Have you learned about what
988
00:57:26,400 –> 00:57:29,000
we’re planning to do to you?
Yeah, of course we’re not going
989
00:57:29,000 –> 00:57:32,400
to give you money so then they
reached out to other countries
990
00:57:32,800 –> 00:57:38,100
and 15 other countries, donated
money to help with this project.
991
00:57:38,100 –> 00:57:41,600
And yes, Cuba was one of them,
but so is Canada, right?
992
00:57:41,800 –> 00:57:44,100
So was Mexico.
Yes, it is whole go fund.
993
00:57:44,100 –> 00:57:46,600
Maybe you like.
Yeah, so this wasn’t like a
994
00:57:46,600 –> 00:57:51,900
communist funded bang, right?
And once we rolled into town and
995
00:57:51,900 –> 00:57:55,600
put an interim government in
place, that governments first,
996
00:57:55,600 –> 00:57:58,700
major initiative was to finish
the airport.
997
00:57:58,700 –> 00:58:01,800
And their whole entire argument
was that it was essential to
998
00:58:01,800 –> 00:58:05,200
boosting tourism in country and
people at home.
999
00:58:05,200 –> 00:58:09,400
Can you guess who paid for it?
I’m gonna guess that it was
1000
00:58:09,500 –> 00:58:13,700
Bermuda close.
The Ronald Reagan administration
1001
00:58:13,700 –> 00:58:16,900
show and by extension the United
States taxpayers.
1002
00:58:16,900 –> 00:58:20,100
Okay.
In April 1984, the Reagan
1003
00:58:20,100 –> 00:58:23,900
Administration announced 40
million dollars in Aid to
1004
00:58:23,900 –> 00:58:27,500
Grenada with 19 million of that
Aid.
1005
00:58:27,600 –> 00:58:32,500
Earmarked for completing the
airport at Point saline, we are
1006
00:58:32,500 –> 00:58:37,100
such a fucking bottom shelf.
Cut-rate country.
1007
00:58:37,900 –> 00:58:41,600
We can’t fucking give our own
people, fucking Health Care.
1008
00:58:41,700 –> 00:58:46,300
We can go build some other
places goddamn tourist trap
1009
00:58:46,700 –> 00:58:48,100
airport.
Come on.
1010
00:58:48,100 –> 00:58:48,900
You’re damn.
Right?
1011
00:58:48,900 –> 00:58:53,000
We can who asked a bum ass
country.
1012
00:58:53,200 –> 00:58:57,400
So as smooth as our Invasion of
Grenada seem to go and as
1013
00:58:57,400 –> 00:58:59,800
impressed by it as you are.
Yeah.
1014
00:58:59,800 –> 00:59:02,900
He is like from the outside,
you’re like, oh so fast, I’m
1015
00:59:02,900 –> 00:59:07,900
sure everything went smoothly.
It was actually a bit of a
1016
00:59:07,908 –> 00:59:10,600
debacle.
We already mentioned that at
1017
00:59:10,600 –> 00:59:13,700
least one Squad.
Aaron was packing gas station
1018
00:59:13,700 –> 00:59:15,900
maps and copies of the
economist.
1019
00:59:16,000 –> 00:59:18,200
She will never get old to guide
their way.
1020
00:59:18,300 –> 00:59:21,800
Also along with that, one of the
first actions we took was to
1021
00:59:21,808 –> 00:59:24,600
land Navy Seals.
Yeah, we’re supposed to go
1022
00:59:24,600 –> 00:59:28,000
ashore.
These are these are our Elite
1023
00:59:28,100 –> 00:59:33,400
amphibious troops and four of
them drown immediately, and
1024
00:59:33,400 –> 00:59:35,400
winning the resort country,
right?
1025
00:59:35,500 –> 00:59:38,800
In another incident.
One American unit called for an
1026
00:59:38,800 –> 00:59:41,400
air.
Strike on another American.
1027
00:59:41,700 –> 00:59:44,400
Unit.
Again, this is just fucking
1028
00:59:44,400 –> 00:59:48,800
police academy shit to American
helicopters collided in the air.
1029
00:59:48,900 –> 00:59:51,300
Cool killing several Army
Rangers.
1030
00:59:51,500 –> 00:59:55,700
You know, hey u.s.
Cobra helicopter mistook a
1031
00:59:55,700 –> 01:00:00,600
mental hospital for a military
base and destroyed it.
1032
01:00:00,600 –> 01:00:03,500
Classic mistook.
It killing anywhere.
1033
01:00:03,500 –> 01:00:06,400
From 18 to 30 inmates inside.
Sure.
1034
01:00:06,400 –> 01:00:09,000
It wasn’t because it was like
near the airport or something.
1035
01:00:09,300 –> 01:00:11,400
Exactly.
Oh wait, we gonna need a parking
1036
01:00:11,400 –> 01:00:13,300
lot.
I hear get rid of these mentally
1037
01:00:13,300 –> 01:00:15,800
ill people.
This all led directly to new
1038
01:00:15,800 –> 01:00:20,400
legislation that brought about
huge and historic changes within
1039
01:00:20,400 –> 01:00:23,300
the Department of Defense.
Here’s a quote, the sense that
1040
01:00:23,300 –> 01:00:26,700
the defense department had
structural problems was
1041
01:00:26,700 –> 01:00:30,800
reinforced by operation urgent
Fury, when the United States
1042
01:00:30,800 –> 01:00:34,100
invaded, the tiny Caribbean
nation of Grenada, the Marine
1043
01:00:34,100 –> 01:00:37,500
Corps in the Army, effectively
divided the island, and
1044
01:00:37,500 –> 01:00:41,900
conducted parallel operations in
isolation Commander, Couldn’t
1045
01:00:41,900 –> 01:00:45,600
communicate because radios were
not interoperable story
1046
01:00:45,600 –> 01:00:48,000
circulated about Military
Officers.
1047
01:00:48,300 –> 01:00:52,100
Using commercial telephones to
contact each other and report
1048
01:00:52,100 –> 01:00:54,600
back.
This reminds me of 9/11.
1049
01:00:54,800 –> 01:00:59,200
Yeah absolutely because that is
absolutely what you heard after
1050
01:00:59,200 –> 01:01:03,800
9/11 was we maybe could have
stopped this if the CIA and the
1051
01:01:03,800 –> 01:01:08,500
FBI just you know, talked it’s
what led to the Department of
1052
01:01:08,500 –> 01:01:11,300
Homeland Security.
Yay.
1053
01:01:11,600 –> 01:01:15,100
It’s all good things, it’s just
wild the fact that the radios
1054
01:01:15,100 –> 01:01:18,200
weren’t interoperable.
That’s enough nuts.
1055
01:01:18,400 –> 01:01:21,700
The idea for people who don’t
understand that means that
1056
01:01:22,100 –> 01:01:25,900
they’re both using radios.
But and yet, they could not
1057
01:01:25,900 –> 01:01:30,100
speak to each other with them.
Yeah, which is insane.
1058
01:01:30,100 –> 01:01:33,400
Yeah, that is wild and this led
to something called the
1059
01:01:33,400 –> 01:01:37,000
goldwater-nichols ACT which
streamline the chain of command
1060
01:01:37,000 –> 01:01:40,000
within the dod allowed for
better sharing of information
1061
01:01:40,000 –> 01:01:43,600
and plans between the various
She’s of the military and I
1062
01:01:43,600 –> 01:01:46,800
don’t know, probably allowed the
government to spy on our
1063
01:01:46,800 –> 01:01:49,800
television viewing this as some
habits, or some shit.
1064
01:01:49,800 –> 01:01:53,100
Also, yeah, who knows?
And we would later take the
1065
01:01:53,100 –> 01:01:56,300
things we learned from the
Invasion of Grenada and the
1066
01:01:56,300 –> 01:02:00,100
changes implemented by the
goldwater-nichols act and put it
1067
01:02:00,100 –> 01:02:03,600
all in action.
When we invaded Panama in 1989,
1068
01:02:03,700 –> 01:02:07,800
another Act of war that had
almost zero media attention.
1069
01:02:07,900 –> 01:02:09,600
Right.
Maybe we’ll talk about that
1070
01:02:09,600 –> 01:02:11,500
next.
This is, yeah, that was after
1071
01:02:11,600 –> 01:02:15,300
after we did our huge training
operation, where we invaded the
1072
01:02:15,300 –> 01:02:21,900
fake country called l’anima.
Exactly.
1073
01:02:21,900 –> 01:02:27,800
So that’s Operation urgent Fury
and US Invasion of Grenada shady
1074
01:02:27,800 –> 01:02:30,800
shit.
Shady stupid shit.
1075
01:02:30,800 –> 01:02:35,000
It’s just it’s so every decision
was so dumb.
1076
01:02:35,000 –> 01:02:38,200
It’s kind of breathtaking, and
it just so typifies.
1077
01:02:38,200 –> 01:02:40,800
The Reagan Administration and
the 80s.
1078
01:02:40,800 –> 01:02:46,000
Like this is just What we were
doing and the trajectory of like
1079
01:02:46,000 –> 01:02:51,300
US military culture since then.
Yeah, it’s just been straight
1080
01:02:51,300 –> 01:02:53,000
down.
If you want to read more about
1081
01:02:53,000 –> 01:02:55,300
this, hit the show notes.
You are going to go down a
1082
01:02:55,308 –> 01:02:58,400
rabbit hole because I read some
sources.
1083
01:02:58,400 –> 01:03:01,500
Yeah, for this there’s I have to
imagine that.
1084
01:03:01,500 –> 01:03:05,100
There’s just the rabbit hole on
this is infinite, it is it’s
1085
01:03:05,100 –> 01:03:07,300
because it’s crazy.
There’s so much.
1086
01:03:07,400 –> 01:03:11,600
So I think that’s our episode
Yeah, I think so too.
1087
01:03:11,600 –> 01:03:14,100
I didn’t just take a long
bathroom break right before the
1088
01:03:14,100 –> 01:03:16,100
last minute and a half of the
podcast.
1089
01:03:16,100 –> 01:03:20,500
Olivia, thank you so much for
joining me on this deep dive
1090
01:03:20,500 –> 01:03:23,000
into Grenada.
This is fun.
1091
01:03:23,000 –> 01:03:24,400
Absolutely.
This is fun.
1092
01:03:24,400 –> 01:03:26,800
Will do more stuff like this in
the future.
1093
01:03:26,800 –> 01:03:31,900
I’m back in a research in state
of mind, so that’s fun.
1094
01:03:32,000 –> 01:03:34,500
And yeah, I think we will cover
Panama soon.
1095
01:03:34,500 –> 01:03:37,000
I think it’s a good idea.
I was gonna do that for an
1096
01:03:37,000 –> 01:03:40,000
episode of the 90 sucked and it
just never panned out.
1097
01:03:40,100 –> 01:03:43,200
Oh more like a never pan tomate
out.
1098
01:03:43,900 –> 01:03:50,700
Alright.
Alright, let’s get it together.
1099
01:03:50,700 –> 01:03:53,900
Yeah, do we have anything to
plug before we get out of here?
1100
01:03:53,900 –> 01:03:57,100
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1101
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1102
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subscribe on the patreon or
subscribe on super cast, or you
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can go to a cast where the Lost
show is hosted.
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And you can subscribe there, you
get bonus episodes where we’re
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covering God damn it.
One of the best shows on TV
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right now that nobody is
watching.
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It’s called from from.
It’s a lot like loss.
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Yeah, Barry lost ask it’s a very
lofty show.
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I’m a big fan.
I really need to start watching
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season 2.
I know I almost the other day
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just watched The rest of season
one and did notes.
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Yeah, so I could get it over
with and start watching season
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2, which I might do that this
weekend.
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So check all that out.
Olivia, what do you have to plug
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that, that that show other than
that?
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I mean, you know, I guess
Twitter.
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Hi there.
Hi there, who cares?
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Yeah, that’s it.
Yeah, I guess you can follow me
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at Adam, Todd Brown on
Instagram.
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I don’t really use Twitter
anymore.
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I gave up.
It’s bad, it’s bad and I think
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that’s it.
Let’s get the fuck out of here.
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Olivia, say goodbye.
Goodbye everybody.
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Love you.
People.