Conspiracy! The Show True Crime Sucks – There’s Something Wrong With Aunt Diane

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Hey everybody.
This is Adam Todd Brown.

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Co-host of the pretty scary
podcast among others welcoming

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you to an all new podcast from
the makers of pretty scary.

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It’s called True Crime sucks and
you’re about to listen to it

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right now.
But first, you’re going to want

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to listen to what I’m about to
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Network, in which case, thank
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shows in which case also thank
you first a heads up for

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everybody that this first
episode, the one with me and

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Cindy aravena, covering the
documentary.

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There’s something wrong with
Aunt, Diane, It’s a heavy one.

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I mean, most of what we cover
will be pretty heavy in some

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respects.
This is a true crime podcast.

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After all that’s said, most
episodes, likely will not

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involve both hosts audibly,
crying near the end but this one

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Sure.
Does you lucky ducks for

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subscribers?
I just wanted to let you know in

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case you didn’t notice there are
three episodes of True Crime

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sucks available for you to
listen to.

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Right now.
There’s this one obviously and

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then episode 2 which covers the
documentary.

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The Act of Killing with special
guest, Katrina Davis and episode

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3 which covers the
groundbreaking 1992 documentary.

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My Brother’s Keeper with the
always, wonderful, Jack Kelly

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one of the things We’re going to
do with this podcast is upload

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new episodes a week early for
subscribers but hey by that

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math.
There must be two episodes

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available for free to the public
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Yeah, you’re darn tootin.
There are if you’re listening to

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this for free and you want to
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Stop Co /, True Crime sucks and

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you’ll find the free public
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Hell.
I’ll even link to it in the show

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description and there you will
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Load waiting for you.
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that third episode right now to
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And one last thing if you want
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be covering in the future so you
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Follow the show on.
Ram at True Crime sucks.

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And also I think that’s all I
wanted to tell you.

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Thanks for listening, I hope you
like the new show and as always,

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we love you, let’s get to the
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Welcome to True Crime sucks.
A podcast about the best and

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worst of True Crime TV and
documentaries, with your host,

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Adam top Ram.
Hey everybody.

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Welcome to True Crime sucks.
A podcast about the best and

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worst of True Crime TV and
documentaries, I’m your host,

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Adam Todd.
Brown joining me as co-host for

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the inaugural episode of this
podcast.

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You know her, you love her my
pretty scary co-host.

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Cindy aravena boo, I mean, wait,
what’s my line again?

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Hi.
Yeah, I don’t know what, we yell

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at the beginning of Of this.
Maybe I say welcome to True.

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Crime sucks and whoever’s
co-hosting with me.

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Just yells.
No, you suck.

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I don’t know if I wanted one.
I don’t know if I want to start

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the podcast every time with
someone telling me I suck, but

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where they can just go, it
sucks, but they throw up.

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Yeah.
They could vomit.

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Yeah, like actual vomit.
That’ll be The Tick-Tock clip

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every week.
Very exciting.

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Speaking of exciting.
This is a new podcast from the

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makers of pretty scary.
That would be us.

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Yeah.
There’s a trailer out there

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where I kind of explain the
premise but if you haven’t heard

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that despite the title, this
isn’t going to just be us

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shitting on True Crime and
making people feel bad for

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watching True Crime TV and true
crime.

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Documentaries, I watch all that
shit myself and I go the extra

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mile and record a podcast about
it so clearly that’s not going

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to be the entire premise of this
going to be honest.

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I just kind of like the name.
It’s a catchy title I like that.

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Is, and you know what?
A lot of True Crime does suck.

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That’s the other thing, crime
sucks.

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Yeah, again, I don’t intend to
make.

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People feel bad for watching
True Crime, but watching True

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Crime, shouldn’t make you feel
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Yeah, exactly.
If you’re hosting a true-crime

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podcast and like throwing
confetti in the air in your

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promo pictures on your patreon,
stop it.

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These are people who died,
almost everything we’re going to

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talk about.
On this entire podcast is going

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to be people who died.
It is not cause for celebration.

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You should not have a top 10.
Favorite serial killers, that’s

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all a problem.
I’m sorry.

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It’s 2023.
We know better now it is it is

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that’s a very 2013 activity.
Very much top 10.

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Yeah.
Especially in the me to era.

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Come on.
Like, you can’t be up in arms

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about violence against women and
have a favorite serial killer

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like those two things.
Do not go hand in hand.

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I’m sorry.
Yeah it’s it doesn’t breed good.

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Anything it’s sick.
I don’t know.

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It’s sick like we can obviously
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the victims don’t get as much
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that’s the part that really gets
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And that’s a big part of why I
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podcast because something I’ve
learned about myself over the

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years is I don’t want to
necessarily Tell true crime

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stories.
I’m not trying to be an internet

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sleuth.
I have other podcasts to host.

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This isn’t my entire gig, but I
do care about how these stories

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are told.
And I’ve been watching True

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Crime documentary since I was a
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And here’s the thing I’m old.
So that means I’ve been watching

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these things since, like, the
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So I have some things to say
about true crime documentaries

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and along those same lines.
When, you know, you hear the

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title, True Crime sucks.
Again, not only are we not just

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going to be like exclusively
bashing true-crime these first

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four or five episodes are all
about stone-cold Classics like

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foundational, groundbreaking
true crime, documentaries.

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Or in the case of this one,
maybe not foundational or

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groundbreaking, but it’s one of
my favorites and I think it’s

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the perfect documentary to start
with, because Has.

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This is kind of how true crime
should make you feel like you’re

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not going to come out.
The other end of the

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documentary.
There’s something wrong with

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Aunt, Diane feeling anything
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It is just tragic.
So, freaking sad, had you seen

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this before?
Never know.

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I’ve heard of it.
I’d heard it was good.

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I kind of wish that I knew that
it was the level of sad.

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It was gonna because I probably
would have picked not right

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before.
Bedtime to watch it.

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I definitely needed a lot of
palate cleansers after this one.

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Yeah, this isn’t Sleepytime
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I would argue, it’s one of the
weirder true crime documentaries

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because it’s almost more about
grief than anything else.

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Like there’s 100, there’s a
family that thinks it’s trying

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to solve a mystery but they’re
really not.

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They’re just more not willing to
admit.

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It or not ready to admit.
What actually happened, which is

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that Diane Schuler got drunk and
got behind the wheel and killed

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a bunch of people.
It’s not a whodunit, it’s not a

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case of mixed up records.
It really is unfortunately,

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pretty.
It’s really, really sad.

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And it’s there’s no twist.
That’s the thing is, there’s

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absolutely no twist, not really,
but I think that there is no

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twist is kind of the twist like
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Oh yeah.
Because for a lot of Get your

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kind of in not so much in denial
with the family, but there’s a

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little hope there that like,
okay, maybe they’re going to be

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onto something and maybe this
isn’t all it seems.

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But yeah, not really.
No, it leaves you with way more

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questions than it, starts with
way more.

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Yeah.
And they even the police in this

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case, like, there’s moments of
this incident, that they just

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don’t know what happened like
theirs.

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Parts where she goes from one
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part.
And they have no idea how she

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got there.
It’s wild.

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So like we said we’re covering.
There’s something wrong with

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Aunt.
Diane say 2011 documentary.

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It’s on HBO you can still watch
it there.

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It’s from filmmaker Liz Garbus
who has made some bangers in her

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day.
The fourth estate which is about

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the Russia investigation.
A dangerous son.

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Have you ever seen a dangerous
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No, I haven’t.
Seen any of these.

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A dangerous son is excruciating.
It’s about parents dealing with

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like problem children, but like,
but like Johnny’s murder

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problem.
Gonna kill his sister, someday

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problem children, and there’s
only Culkin in The Good Son.

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Yeah, exactly.
Like there’s one kid in that

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where his mom calls to get him,
psychiatric treatment and finds

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out that there are something
like 300 total psychiatric.

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Ed’s in the state of Washington
for kids in the entire State

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nuts.
A lot of our little that’s

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that’s very few, that’s way way
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Few murdered children are there.
I see, I want like that.

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I cannot watch as a person that
works with kids.

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I’m like, I don’t need to know
any of this, I really don’t.

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Exactly.
So, yeah.

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She’s made some pretty
noteworthy stuff.

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This is probably my favorite of
everything that Liz Garbus has

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made premiered on HBO.
Bo July 25th, 2011, and it

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covers an incident that has come
to be known as the 2009 Taconic

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State, Parkway crash and roof.
The details are rough so bad you

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guys, I think we’ve already done
a pretty good job of warning.

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You that this is a very sad
documentary but this one is like

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dear Zachary level sad.
If you had told me that it was

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because that is my ultimate like
that one.

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Like ingrained in My DNA.
I I think about it pops up and

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I’m like, no, not dear Zachary.
If you had told me that this

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would affect me on a deer
Zachary level.

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I would have liked, I don’t
know, yes, not watched it before

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bed, I’ll say that much.
Yeah, dear Zachary is such a

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touchstone for stuff like that.
Yeah if I could take any

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document or I’ve watched back it
would be do Zachary.

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Yeah.
Fucks you up.

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The only difference here is
there’s not that like gut Punch

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in the middle.
Like there is with dear Zachary

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because dear Zachary start sad,
and then just Against All Odds

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get so much sadder.
I miss screaming in my room

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watching that like no, yeah,
it’s really bad.

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This you, at least it starts sad
and it stays that way the whole

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time.
Yeah, it doesn’t like that

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initial shock.
It doesn’t get like worse after

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that, which is, yeah, is Good, I
guess if that’s one way to put

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it.
It’s the kind of thing where I’m

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like, this feels as sad as dear
like watching.

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I was like, this feels quite as
sad as dear Zachary.

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Am I crazy?
And then by the end of like it

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is the saddest you that Gary.
I hate this.

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Yeah, it’s a bummer.
And it like, right from the

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get-go.
It opens with a bunch of

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different 911 calls about
someone driving erratically with

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kids in the car and then there’s
text blurb, right?

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Up top, that tells you what
happened and this is that blurb

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verbatim on Sunday.
July 26th, 2009.

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Diane Schuler drove the wrong
way on the Taconic, Parkway for

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almost two miles crashing and
killing eight.

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People herself.
Her daughter, three nieces, and

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all three people in the oncoming
vehicle.

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Yeah, it’s so much.
You guys what they don’t mention

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there is, there was a survivor.
Son Brian was also in the car

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and he survived.
But oh man, I bet that has been

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a rough upbringing for him.
He was pretty young when this

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happened.
Yeah.

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And this was about 13, 14 years
ago.

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So he’s probably just hitting
his late teens, early 20s.

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Oh my God, I hope he’s doing
okay.

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Yeah, yeah, it’s wild so Jay
Schuler.

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She’s one of the main family
members.

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Interviewed in this.
She’s Diane’s sister-in-law.

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She’s the first family member
interviewed, she’s watching

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surveillance video of Diane
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That is what so weird about this
is like well we’ll get into more

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of the details as we go along
but basically Diane Schuler

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leaves a campground at like 9:30
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Yep, by all accounts, completely
sober with a bunch of kids in

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tow which That part makes me
never doubt that she was

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actually sober when she left.
Like, I don’t care how unhinged

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this family seems at times.
I don’t think anyone in that

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family would have, let her drive
home with all those kids if she

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was drunk because her husband
took the dog and the laundry,

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like you sent that with the
drunk person and also take that

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dog, get that dog away from
them.

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Like you send them home with the
laundry and you put the kids in

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the car with the sober person.
And so I don’t think she was

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hammered when she left but
hopefully not.

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And in this video there’s a
couple different videos of her

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where she looks perfectly
normal.

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Like she doesn’t look hammered
she’s not stumbling no one who

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talked to her said she smelled
like alcohol and like that

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carries on until like close to
11 a.m. and then by like 1:00

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p.m. she’s drunk and going the
wrong way on the Taconic

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Parkway.
It’s like what the fuck

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happened?
Yeah.

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A lot happened between point A
and B.

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The funeral scenes are early on
are devastating.

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I was already crying.
Yeah, like that whale that goes

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up from the crowd when they’re
giving the eulogy whoo-hoo

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because again, these are kids,
like Diane, Schuler’s, three

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nieces were all.
I think Under 12 we got I don’t

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think anyone was there were no
teens in the car.

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These were children are so five
days after that.

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A funeral that they show in the
beginning of the documentary,

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The toxicology results.
Come out and Diane Schuler had a

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blood alcohol content of point
one.

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Nine percent, that’s a lot and
the legal limit is .08.

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Yes.
So she was double and then some

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the legal limit which don’t do
that.

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Don’t drive when you’re that
drunk people.

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She also had a bunch of THC in
her system, which that’s fine.

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Drive with weed in your system.
It’s a lie.

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No lie say no you can’t.
According to the cops, put the

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pipe down so she definitely was
not in good drive in shape, by

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the time this incident happens,
she also still had unprocessed

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alcohol in her stomach.
Which means she was like,

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literally drinking and driving.
Yeah, which don’t do that.

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Also don’t do that.
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No road so does guys it’s just a
cute name.

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It’s not a thing you should ever
drink.

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Yeah no cargo Rita’s like oh my
God.

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One of my other podcast co-host
used to get Mountain Dew Baja

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Blast from the Taco Bell
drive-thru and put tequila in it

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and then would drive with that
in the car and they called it a

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cargo, don’t do that.
Don’t tell you this nobody

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stays.
So the family holds a press

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conference and they say And
wasn’t a drinker and would never

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do anything to jeopardize those
children which again you want to

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believe them.
But you kind of don’t you know I

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at least hope the second part is
true.

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I at least hope she would never
want to harm the kids, right?

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And this is where the family
lawyer points out that this

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should have been a 35-minute
drive.

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And it ended up taking four
hours, which I think kind of

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plays in to what happens.
Yes.

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But also as well, the stops that
she had to make and then traffic

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and yes, sometimes some of it
would definitely be the stops.

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But even then, she only stopped
at McDonald’s and to get gas or

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at a gas station.
Yeah.

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So then you know then you’re
adding what, like 45 minutes,

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maybe an hour.
Yeah.

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Well show the kids play at the
play place that’s going to be

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eat like a half hour to 45
minutes, right?

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Which Again by all accounts
perfectly normal when she was

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hit.
McDonald’s.

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And so they interview this
family lawyer.

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I get that, he’s the family
lawyer and he’s trying to be

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supportive, but he felt a little
little bit like an enabler.

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Like he definitely wasn’t doing
anything to dissuade this family

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from not believing the science I
guess.

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Yeah he was a fucking weirdo.
Am I mistaken that I see a

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picture of him with Michael
Imperioli in his Sopranos days

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as Christopher moltisanti, okay?
I’m glad okay.

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Yeah, I was Like why are we
bringing this?

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I mean, listen it with zero,
explanation, zero but also a lot

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of the people in this
documentary easily could have

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been like day players on The
Sopranos.

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Just gonna throw that out there.
Yeah, this is this is New Jersey

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so they are, they are pretty
Italian.

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Yeah, especially Daniel Schuler.
Who is the husband of Diane

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Schuler and they keep bringing
up her relationship with her

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mother, which I thought that
part was kind of weird, I think

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it makes sense and I think at
first, you’re kind of like okay,

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who cares, but because this is
about grief, it is as much about

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grief as it is.
What happens when you don’t

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address trauma.
Yeah.

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How that can spiral out.
Other parts of your life, make

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you compartmentalize.
Make you just not take care of

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yourself because you’re just not
listening to what’s going on

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with your body.
And a lot of times these pains

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that come up in your body are a
result of just fucking trauma

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with nowhere to go.
Yeah.

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And they do kind of hint that it
might have something to do with.

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Why no one knew what kind of
pain she was in?

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Yeah.
Like if she was capable of

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keeping this secret about her
mom, which it seems like even

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her husband didn’t, he know,
shit really know what happened

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with Diane Schuler’s, mom, which
is that we find out.

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She just straight-up abandoned
the family and ran off.

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With the neighbor, the neighbor.
Yeah, and like no one who was

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close to Diane.
Really knew that which would

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speak to her.
Also, if she had like a really

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bad tooth infection, maybe she
also wouldn’t say anything to

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anyone about it, which, I mean
understandable.

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But then this happens and
everyone’s like, what the fuck?

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Diane we need answers, and she’s
not there to give them.

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Yeah.
There’s no answers.

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There are no answers coming.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
If this is not about like what

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happens the worst-case scenario,
if you don’t go to therapy or

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put your kids in therapy for
like really crazy events, like

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this is that documentary.
Yeah, so the day of the crash,

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the family was on a camping trip
that weekend by all accounts.

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It was normal weekend, they
weren’t like drinking

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excessively or partying
excessively.

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They had a bunch of kids with
them, and again, this is where I

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have it in the notes but I
really don’t think this family

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would have let her I’ve drunk
with these kids.

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I don’t think she was drunk when
she left the campground.

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And also one of the kids who
dies in the crash, Emma hands.

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Who is the daughter of War
enhance, who is Diane’s brother,

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she called him, she called her
dad around 9 a.m., and

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everything was good.
There’s nothing weird going on.

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The woman who runs the camp
ground confirms Diane was sober

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at this point.
So, everything seems normal day.

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Daniel leaves in his car with
the family, dog and the laundry.

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He makes it home in the expected
amount of time without incident.

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Diane was going to stop at a
McDonald’s to get breakfast for

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the kids and also had to get
gas.

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And even then everything seems
normal.

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She pulls into the McDonald’s at
956.

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Looks normal on video.
She’s not stumbling around.

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No one noted that she smelled of
alcohol or was slurring her

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words or anything.
There’s another video of At

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1046.
That’s when she pulls into a gas

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station and ask if they have
pain meds, again, looks

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perfectly normal, nothing out of
sorts.

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So, whatever happened happened
in the span of about two hours

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because I think the crash
happened at 1:30.

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Yeah, here’s another thing.
That just popped up, you know,

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people that like it seems like
they can drink quite a bit and

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they just are normal.
It doesn’t seem to really mess

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with any of their functioning.
Young and then they do that one.

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Drink that really does a Min I
wonder cause she was such a

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composed person.
Everyone said she was like a

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boss babe like you know get shit
done constantly like spinning,

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our Wheels, spinning plates, all
over the place.

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I kind of wonder if maybe she
was getting pretty.

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Sloshed, but was just holding it
together until she could not

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hold it together.
Yeah, that’s possible.

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Also, and she was drinking
vodka, which they say, vodka

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doesn’t have a smell but you can
smell it.

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Yes, you could smell guys
because you can smell it a

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little bit.
Once I finish it, metabolizes.

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You can definitely smell it.
Yeah, you can smell it.

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Coming out of your pores if you
drink enough of it.

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So, yeah, it’s possible.
But if she was like a legitimate

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alcoholic, the family at least
paints her, as a

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high-functioning alcoholic
because she did have kids to

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take care of.
She was, apparently very good at

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her job.
She made more than a hundred

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thousand dollars a year, which I
imagine 2009.

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In in that part of the country.
Probably went pretty far bank.

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So she’s doing.
All right.

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She’s keeping it together.
So, yeah, if she was an

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alcoholic, she was definitely a
secret alcoholic.

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And so they show Brian Schuler
in this a whole lot.

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And it’s hi.
Oh, it’s such a bummer.

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Yeah, I really, really hope that
guy is okay, now, because he not

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only like they one way they put
it at one point, is he like lost

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all the women in his life?
That like Fano snapped and all

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he remembers is Mommy’s head
hurt and that she couldn’t see

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and then he flew out of the car
like Superman.

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Yeah.
They found him under a pile of

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dead kids, dude.
Oof, I hope his brain erased all

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that and I hope he yeah, yeah.
Like I’ve never hoped for just

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like a little bit of head trauma
so much in my life, but he got

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that.
Poor thing, yes but like it’s

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like relearn like occupational
skills.

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I hope it got the part that
contained the memories of this

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because those are almost kind of
detail.

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I mean, it would be great to
have those questions answered

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but like not at the expense of
this kid.

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No.
And you’re five.

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Like, you’re barely sentient
when you’re five.

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I don’t know what was going on.
When I was five, I lived like

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bits and memory bits and pieces
of it.

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But yeah, on top of losing all
those people at once.

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He Also has to live with knowing
his mom, did it?

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Like that’s going to be tough.
So yeah, Jackie and War.

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Enhance refused to take part in
this documentary, which is very

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understandable.
Yeah, they lost all of their

434
00:25:17,600 –> 00:25:19,600
children, right?
Why would they want to talk

435
00:25:19,600 –> 00:25:22,500
about this?
Not only that, but they lost all

436
00:25:22,500 –> 00:25:25,400
their children.
And then the other half of the

437
00:25:25,400 –> 00:25:30,200
family goes, like, hardcore into
denial mode in his leg.

438
00:25:30,300 –> 00:25:33,800
No she wasn’t drunk, something
else happened and everyone else

439
00:25:33,800 –> 00:25:37,300
is just like come on like you
know, better.

440
00:25:37,500 –> 00:25:41,700
Her that’s grief though.
Yeah, they do interview, the

441
00:25:41,700 –> 00:25:44,200
family of the people, in the
other car.

442
00:25:44,300 –> 00:25:48,600
That’s all very sad.
Michael bastardi he was 81, he

443
00:25:48,600 –> 00:25:53,100
was in the car with his son guy,
who’s 49 and family, friend, Dan

444
00:25:53,100 –> 00:25:58,200
Longo 74.
So, back to this crash at 11:37

445
00:25:58,200 –> 00:26:03,400
a.m. that day, Diane calls her
sister-in-law because they’re

446
00:26:03,400 –> 00:26:07,300
running late, and the nieces
have play practice.

447
00:26:07,500 –> 00:26:12,800
That day and apparently, here
she still sounds mostly normal

448
00:26:12,900 –> 00:26:16,900
because it doesn’t seem like
anyone swung into action over

449
00:26:16,900 –> 00:26:19,200
this phone call.
If I recall, you’re also not

450
00:26:19,200 –> 00:26:23,300
looking for that, you’re not
going to be like, I don’t know

451
00:26:23,300 –> 00:26:25,800
if that’s something you’re
expecting from her.

452
00:26:26,200 –> 00:26:29,000
Why you going to assume that
she’s like sloshed you know?

453
00:26:29,100 –> 00:26:35,600
And what’s crazy is it goes from
that which is 11:37 a.m. to 23

454
00:26:35,600 –> 00:26:39,100
minutes later, right?
Around noon Soon, a witness that

455
00:26:39,100 –> 00:26:41,500
they interview a guy named
Gerald Salerno.

456
00:26:41,500 –> 00:26:46,600
He sees her driving erratically
at noon or right around noon, so

457
00:26:46,600 –> 00:26:50,200
somewhere in that short span of
time, something happened, but he

458
00:26:50,200 –> 00:26:54,700
also he said, she’s driving
erratically but that she was

459
00:26:54,700 –> 00:26:59,000
also really precise about it.
She wasn’t swerving, when she

460
00:26:59,000 –> 00:27:03,700
was in the lanes, she was just
driving aggressively and like

461
00:27:04,000 –> 00:27:07,300
tailgating people honking
flashing her lights.

462
00:27:07,500 –> 00:27:11,900
But doing it all pretty
precisely, which makes me think

463
00:27:11,900 –> 00:27:14,400
she was in a hurry.
She was in pain.

464
00:27:14,700 –> 00:27:20,400
Yeah, and so at 12:13 p.m.
Witnesses report that she’s

465
00:27:20,500 –> 00:27:24,600
driving even more aggressive.
This part makes me a little

466
00:27:24,600 –> 00:27:28,700
upset.
One witness almost gets chased

467
00:27:28,700 –> 00:27:33,400
off into this rest, stop area,
by Diane Schuler, and Diane

468
00:27:33,400 –> 00:27:35,600
Schuler follows them into the
rest area.

469
00:27:35,600 –> 00:27:38,400
But they go to the car section.
And she goes to the truck

470
00:27:38,400 –> 00:27:41,000
section, and they said, it
looked like she got out and

471
00:27:41,000 –> 00:27:45,100
vomited in, like, was bent over
with her hands on her knees in.

472
00:27:45,100 –> 00:27:48,300
Like, if you saw kids in that
car and saw that woman, get out

473
00:27:48,300 –> 00:27:51,400
and vomit.
You guys go check, I don’t know,

474
00:27:51,700 –> 00:27:53,500
you gotta aren’t these.
The people that said that they

475
00:27:53,500 –> 00:27:56,200
saw the kids heads like swaying
in the back from how erratic she

476
00:27:56,200 –> 00:27:57,900
was driving or is that a
different couple?

477
00:27:58,200 –> 00:28:01,700
See, I don’t remember because
they interview to couples who

478
00:28:01,700 –> 00:28:03,500
taught her to people who talk
about this.

479
00:28:03,500 –> 00:28:06,300
There’s the couple who went into
the rest stop area.

480
00:28:06,400 –> 00:28:10,300
And then there’s the Guy who,
which he kind of put it in my

481
00:28:10,300 –> 00:28:13,300
head, he was like, oh, if I had
seen that, I would have

482
00:28:13,300 –> 00:28:18,300
confronted her for sure because
I think he’s the one maybe

483
00:28:18,300 –> 00:28:22,000
that’s all kids in the car.
So I don’t want to jump to

484
00:28:22,000 –> 00:28:25,800
conclusions.
I don’t recall if that woman who

485
00:28:25,800 –> 00:28:29,100
saw her throwing up also saw
kids, but if she did, I mean,

486
00:28:29,100 –> 00:28:32,000
it’s not her fault that this
happened but say something.

487
00:28:32,000 –> 00:28:36,000
Next time for the love of God,
it makes me you definitely want

488
00:28:36,000 –> 00:28:38,600
to be on the better look out.
For that kind of stuff.

489
00:28:38,600 –> 00:28:45,000
Yeah, so the Shuler family again
is adamant that Diane Schuler

490
00:28:45,000 –> 00:28:49,400
was not drunk and that something
medical had to have happened.

491
00:28:49,500 –> 00:28:53,400
While she was driving and you
want to believe that.

492
00:28:53,500 –> 00:28:57,200
But then they interview, one of
the people who was actually at

493
00:28:57,300 –> 00:29:01,000
the scene of the crash and they
found a big ass bottle of vodka

494
00:29:01,000 –> 00:29:02,800
in that car.
Yep.

495
00:29:02,800 –> 00:29:06,800
Which that’s an unfortunate
detail for the family like ours,

496
00:29:06,800 –> 00:29:07,900
not even her.
Car.

497
00:29:07,900 –> 00:29:10,000
She was borrowing that from her
brother Warren.

498
00:29:10,200 –> 00:29:13,000
That was the three daughters
dad’s car.

499
00:29:13,500 –> 00:29:16,700
What if it was his booze, but I
don’t think it was because no,

500
00:29:17,000 –> 00:29:20,900
Daniel Schuler, like explicitly
said that they had a bottle of

501
00:29:20,900 –> 00:29:23,100
booze that they just kept there
and he was like, I don’t know

502
00:29:23,100 –> 00:29:27,100
how it got to the van.
It’s like, Diane took her to the

503
00:29:27,100 –> 00:29:28,300
van.
Yeah.

504
00:29:28,400 –> 00:29:30,700
Unless it was dad’s.
I would, that would suck.

505
00:29:31,000 –> 00:29:33,300
Yeah, but I don’t think so they
don’t.

506
00:29:33,300 –> 00:29:36,100
I think they would have probably
at least implied that.

507
00:29:36,100 –> 00:29:39,500
And yeah, for the Family, that’s
a really tough detail to

508
00:29:39,500 –> 00:29:42,800
overcome, especially when you
couple it with the fact that she

509
00:29:42,800 –> 00:29:45,600
had unprocessed alcohol in her
stomach.

510
00:29:45,600 –> 00:29:49,800
Like she was clearly drinking
like obviously they bring in

511
00:29:49,800 –> 00:29:53,300
someone to do a forensic
psychiatric autopsy.

512
00:29:53,800 –> 00:29:57,200
I still am unclear on how and
why.

513
00:29:57,700 –> 00:30:01,100
Yeah, I it seemed like he was
just there to like tell the

514
00:30:01,100 –> 00:30:04,200
family.
They were wrong about what they

515
00:30:04,200 –> 00:30:09,800
were saying because like Bud.
Annual really make some leaps

516
00:30:09,800 –> 00:30:12,700
when he’s talking to this guy
because he’s like, well what if

517
00:30:12,700 –> 00:30:15,900
what if it was a stroke like an
abscessed tooth that could cause

518
00:30:15,900 –> 00:30:18,700
a stroke, right?
And the guys like, yeah, but we

519
00:30:18,700 –> 00:30:22,700
would like see signs of a stroke
and he goes okay, but if she had

520
00:30:22,700 –> 00:30:25,100
a stroke, then she might have
our know.

521
00:30:25,100 –> 00:30:26,700
The guy goes.
Well, what about the bottle of

522
00:30:26,700 –> 00:30:28,600
vodka?
And Daniel Schuler says

523
00:30:28,600 –> 00:30:31,200
something like, well, she had a
stroke, maybe she would have

524
00:30:31,200 –> 00:30:36,100
mistaken, the Vodka for water
and it’s like, man, you are

525
00:30:36,100 –> 00:30:39,100
reaching dude.
Really reaching my guy that was

526
00:30:39,100 –> 00:30:40,300
hard to watch.
Yeah.

527
00:30:40,300 –> 00:30:45,100
Like I can I can sympathize, I
understand the grief this guy’s

528
00:30:45,100 –> 00:30:48,600
going through but I mean I don’t
understand the specific grief,

529
00:30:48,600 –> 00:30:51,700
holy shit.
This is a very, very specific

530
00:30:51,700 –> 00:30:55,700
kind of thing.
A combo move of both denial and

531
00:30:55,700 –> 00:30:58,300
bargaining stages of grief.
Right there.

532
00:30:58,500 –> 00:30:59,500
Yeah.
It’s not pretty.

533
00:30:59,500 –> 00:31:04,000
Yeah and you have this guy talks
about how you know when a family

534
00:31:04,000 –> 00:31:08,800
members being demonized that’s
kind of the At least sometimes

535
00:31:08,800 –> 00:31:12,100
has to go like really hard in
the opposite direction and paint

536
00:31:12,100 –> 00:31:15,600
them as this complete Saint.
And that’s what Daniel is doing.

537
00:31:15,600 –> 00:31:19,000
He’s like she never drank.
I know she never drank and we

538
00:31:19,000 –> 00:31:22,200
find out later they both drank
she smoked weed.

539
00:31:22,400 –> 00:31:25,600
Like he was like law enforcement
of some sort.

540
00:31:25,600 –> 00:31:30,000
I never got his job, is he?
I believe so and I think it came

541
00:31:30,000 –> 00:31:33,300
up separate from the documentary
like well, why didn’t he report

542
00:31:33,300 –> 00:31:35,600
her?
And he didn’t have to like shit

543
00:31:35,600 –> 00:31:38,700
that just under the laws.
Cause at the time he didn’t have

544
00:31:38,700 –> 00:31:42,700
to and like fucking good what
people turning in their fucking

545
00:31:42,700 –> 00:31:44,700
smoke.
Does this for smoking weed

546
00:31:44,900 –> 00:31:47,900
Puritans.
Yeah, it eventually comes out

547
00:31:48,000 –> 00:31:52,800
that they did drink like not
necessarily alcoholic levels but

548
00:31:52,800 –> 00:31:56,300
they did drink and she did smoke
a little bit weed.

549
00:31:56,300 –> 00:31:59,400
Err day it seems, but hey, who
doesn’t this?

550
00:31:59,400 –> 00:32:04,400
Also New York 2013, like, and J.
The sister-in-law makes a really

551
00:32:04,400 –> 00:32:07,000
big point of being like, well
she would do it.

552
00:32:07,400 –> 00:32:11,300
Only at night, if she had to, if
she was having trouble sleeping

553
00:32:11,300 –> 00:32:14,700
and only after she would, you
know, took the kids in did all

554
00:32:14,700 –> 00:32:17,300
her stuff.
All this and that I have my

555
00:32:17,300 –> 00:32:20,600
suspicions, Diane had trouble
sleeping most nights.

556
00:32:20,900 –> 00:32:22,600
Yeah.
And here’s the thing.

557
00:32:22,700 –> 00:32:25,700
So what smoke weed?
Just don’t do it while you’re

558
00:32:25,700 –> 00:32:28,300
driving with.
Don’t do five kids in the car.

559
00:32:28,600 –> 00:32:33,000
Don’t be cross faded in the car.
No, no, any faded in the car?

560
00:32:33,100 –> 00:32:36,300
So, yeah, the family, meanwhile
is so convinced that they’re

561
00:32:36,300 –> 00:32:39,000
right.
They end up drumming up the

562
00:32:39,000 –> 00:32:42,500
money to get other toxicology,
tests done.

563
00:32:42,500 –> 00:32:45,500
And for one thing, the guy that
they hire kind of like just

564
00:32:45,500 –> 00:32:49,800
swindles them out of their money
for a little while supposedly.

565
00:32:49,800 –> 00:32:54,300
Yeah, that’s what they claim.
The filmmakers seem to kind of

566
00:32:54,300 –> 00:32:58,500
defend him because they do this
text explainer.

567
00:32:58,500 –> 00:33:01,600
That says exactly what he spent
his money on.

568
00:33:01,600 –> 00:33:04,600
But like even the family lawyer
a little bit is like, I don’t

569
00:33:04,600 –> 00:33:08,400
know, normally that guy is cool.
Yeah, Guys name is Tom Ruskin.

570
00:33:08,400 –> 00:33:11,600
Apparently he had helped the
family lawyer on some previous

571
00:33:11,600 –> 00:33:13,500
case.
So the lawyer was like well this

572
00:33:13,500 –> 00:33:16,700
is the guy you know he’s going
to be tremendous to us and then

573
00:33:17,400 –> 00:33:20,800
just kind of never to be heard
from again until the doc came

574
00:33:20,800 –> 00:33:25,100
out and even then he tries to
get a bunch of money out of the

575
00:33:25,200 –> 00:33:29,500
documentary people before he’ll
give up any of the test results

576
00:33:29,500 –> 00:33:31,600
or anything that’s like that’s
ethical.

577
00:33:31,700 –> 00:33:34,400
Yeah good.
The guy that went on Larry King

578
00:33:34,400 –> 00:33:37,100
live with the family.
Oh he’s concerned.

579
00:33:37,300 –> 00:33:39,300
About like money and notoriety
and stuff.

580
00:33:39,300 –> 00:33:40,500
Crazy.
Yeah.

581
00:33:40,700 –> 00:33:44,800
Whatever the case, the filmmaker
manages to get some of Diane’s

582
00:33:44,800 –> 00:33:47,100
medical records.
This is where I think it gets

583
00:33:47,100 –> 00:33:51,600
interesting because one of the
things they find is that she had

584
00:33:51,600 –> 00:33:55,200
a lot of dental issues.
She’s getting treatment for

585
00:33:55,200 –> 00:33:57,800
dental issues.
In one case, the pain was so

586
00:33:57,800 –> 00:34:00,500
bad.
She like walked out of the

587
00:34:00,500 –> 00:34:04,500
appointment which I can’t I
can’t fathom that because then

588
00:34:04,500 –> 00:34:06,300
it’s just gonna be that bad
forever.

589
00:34:06,400 –> 00:34:08,100
When do you go back?
What do you do?

590
00:34:08,100 –> 00:34:12,500
They also talk about her having
an abscess tooth and it seems

591
00:34:12,500 –> 00:34:15,800
like she had this abscess for a
long, long time.

592
00:34:15,800 –> 00:34:19,699
And just like didn’t do anything
to take care of it.

593
00:34:19,699 –> 00:34:23,900
You ever had an abscess tooth
know what even is that it’s when

594
00:34:23,900 –> 00:34:28,699
your tooth gets infected to the
point that like pus starts

595
00:34:28,699 –> 00:34:32,600
filling up in your tooth cavity
area.

596
00:34:32,600 –> 00:34:34,600
Yeah.
Oh God.

597
00:34:34,699 –> 00:34:39,100
It’s super fucking painful it.
It can cause all kinds of other

598
00:34:39,100 –> 00:34:42,300
things they are right.
It can cause fucking seizure, it

599
00:34:42,300 –> 00:34:45,600
can make its way to your heart
and kill you that way.

600
00:34:45,699 –> 00:34:49,199
It’s a very serious and very
painful thing.

601
00:34:49,300 –> 00:34:53,199
And if she had an abscess tooth,
I don’t remember if they said

602
00:34:53,199 –> 00:34:57,400
seven weeks or seven months but
either way, that’s a long time.

603
00:34:57,400 –> 00:35:03,300
Yeah, very long time and I think
that tooth pain is the key here.

604
00:35:03,300 –> 00:35:06,800
Someone else, brings up a
similar Theory, near the end.

605
00:35:06,800 –> 00:35:09,400
But This is what I think
happened.

606
00:35:09,500 –> 00:35:13,700
I think her to started acting up
pretty early on in that trip

607
00:35:13,800 –> 00:35:16,000
home.
I think maybe when she stopped

608
00:35:16,000 –> 00:35:20,100
at McDonald’s maybe she bit into
something at McDonald’s ordering

609
00:35:20,100 –> 00:35:23,000
breakfast.
That inflamed that tooth.

610
00:35:23,300 –> 00:35:26,800
Yeah and we know that was like
9:45 in the morning because of

611
00:35:26,800 –> 00:35:29,900
the surveillance video and then
about an hour later which would

612
00:35:29,900 –> 00:35:33,000
be you know, enough time to eat
and let the kids play and gather

613
00:35:33,000 –> 00:35:37,100
them up, she’s at a gas station
asking for a type of pain.

614
00:35:37,300 –> 00:35:41,200
Med that they didn’t have, which
may be like ambus all something

615
00:35:41,200 –> 00:35:44,500
like that that you would put on
the tooth that hurts.

616
00:35:44,600 –> 00:35:46,600
We already know.
This was supposed to be a

617
00:35:46,607 –> 00:35:50,100
35-minute drive.
What I think happened is once

618
00:35:50,100 –> 00:35:53,900
she couldn’t get the ambus, all,
or tooth was hurting so bad.

619
00:35:54,000 –> 00:35:59,600
I think she decided to drink to
numb the pain thinking.

620
00:35:59,700 –> 00:36:02,300
Well, it’s a 35-minute drive.
Yeah.

621
00:36:02,300 –> 00:36:05,300
Like, by the time I get there,
like, it’ll just be kind of

622
00:36:05,300 –> 00:36:08,900
kicking in and I’ll just go take
An app or whatever and it’ll be

623
00:36:08,900 –> 00:36:11,000
fine.
But then there’s that call about

624
00:36:11,000 –> 00:36:16,100
them being stuck in traffic.
I think she drank banking on a

625
00:36:16,100 –> 00:36:20,400
35-minute drive and then got
stuck in traffic and was just

626
00:36:20,800 –> 00:36:24,300
black out drunk eventually.
Yeah.

627
00:36:24,300 –> 00:36:26,700
Because eventually you’re going
to hit a point where if it’s not

628
00:36:26,700 –> 00:36:30,500
numb in the pain, you’re drunk,
you’re making bad decisions.

629
00:36:30,600 –> 00:36:33,900
So you drink a little more to
see if that will numb.

630
00:36:33,900 –> 00:36:36,700
The pain and from there, who
knows?

631
00:36:36,800 –> 00:36:39,200
But But I think that might be
what happened.

632
00:36:39,200 –> 00:36:41,700
Like there’s no way of knowing
for sure, but I feel like that

633
00:36:41,700 –> 00:36:43,300
tooth might have something to do
with it.

634
00:36:43,300 –> 00:36:45,400
I mean, any sort of pain in your
head.

635
00:36:45,400 –> 00:36:50,100
I mean, you’ve just dealt with
this and the last couple months,

636
00:36:50,100 –> 00:36:53,400
like, I know, you didn’t feel
that needle most times.

637
00:36:53,400 –> 00:36:56,500
But when you felt it, was it the
most like some of the most

638
00:36:56,500 –> 00:36:58,600
excruciating pain you’ve ever
felt in your life?

639
00:36:58,600 –> 00:37:01,200
Like what was going on?
Yeah, I haven’t talked to you in

640
00:37:01,200 –> 00:37:03,900
a while it was more, the
surgery.

641
00:37:04,100 –> 00:37:08,400
Aftermath okay.
That sucked like The needle

642
00:37:08,400 –> 00:37:11,300
would sometimes hurt but it was
just kind of hurt like tooth

643
00:37:11,300 –> 00:37:15,800
pain and like mild tooth pain.
It wasn’t like a deep draw,

644
00:37:15,900 –> 00:37:19,300
head, like numbing pain.
No got it.

645
00:37:19,300 –> 00:37:23,100
That pain happened after the
surgery because I mean, to get

646
00:37:23,100 –> 00:37:25,500
the needle out, they had to cut
my face open.

647
00:37:25,700 –> 00:37:29,300
Yeah, from the inside and like,
a wound inside.

648
00:37:29,300 –> 00:37:34,800
Your mouth doesn’t just heal
like like that taste steps and

649
00:37:34,800 –> 00:37:39,400
care to get that to heal.
Eli, still can’t open my mouth.

650
00:37:39,500 –> 00:37:42,900
All the way there were moments,
like in the days after that

651
00:37:42,900 –> 00:37:48,900
surgery where the pain was just
like, all I could do was sit and

652
00:37:48,900 –> 00:37:53,800
like, I could like watch TV but
even then, I was like, gripping

653
00:37:53,800 –> 00:37:58,700
the edge of the couch really
tight and just like focusing on

654
00:37:58,700 –> 00:38:01,000
waiting for pain, meds to kick
in.

655
00:38:01,300 –> 00:38:04,400
So the pain would go away
because like, I still haven’t

656
00:38:04,400 –> 00:38:07,800
written on my sub stack.
Since before Surgery.

657
00:38:07,800 –> 00:38:10,200
Because pain like that.
Like you think?

658
00:38:10,200 –> 00:38:12,200
Well, it’s not your hand.
Why can’t you write like?

659
00:38:12,200 –> 00:38:15,300
I can’t think.
Yeah, it’s in your literal head.

660
00:38:15,300 –> 00:38:17,800
It’s like two inches from your
brain.

661
00:38:17,800 –> 00:38:20,400
It’s really bad, really, really
bad.

662
00:38:20,500 –> 00:38:24,400
And that’s not with having a
seven-month-old abscess.

663
00:38:24,500 –> 00:38:27,500
Yeah, your mouth.
Like I mean I’ve had I don’t

664
00:38:27,500 –> 00:38:30,600
know if I’ve ever had an actual
abscess but I mean I’ve had an

665
00:38:30,600 –> 00:38:33,800
infected tooth shit hurts.
Yeah, I imagine letting that

666
00:38:33,800 –> 00:38:38,400
just go faster.
Get worse.

667
00:38:38,400 –> 00:38:40,900
Start the treatment stopped the
treatment.

668
00:38:40,900 –> 00:38:45,300
Need the treatment still, you’re
working this high-paying job,

669
00:38:45,300 –> 00:38:46,600
you’re taking care of all these
kids.

670
00:38:46,600 –> 00:38:48,400
You’re still trying to have a
life and take care of your

671
00:38:48,400 –> 00:38:51,100
family, trying to get high every
night.

672
00:38:51,100 –> 00:38:55,600
Yeah, just to not feel like
urine excruciating pain, all the

673
00:38:55,600 –> 00:38:58,400
time.
I just, I, if that’s what she

674
00:38:58,400 –> 00:39:01,400
was dealing with, then, of
course, it happened this way, of

675
00:39:01,400 –> 00:39:05,400
course, it seems like the most
obvious answer to me and yeah,

676
00:39:05,400 –> 00:39:08,900
it obviously doesn’t make it.
Right or okay.

677
00:39:09,000 –> 00:39:12,400
Oh no.
But at least in my head it’s

678
00:39:12,400 –> 00:39:16,900
kind of an explanation of why
which it is a better explanation

679
00:39:16,900 –> 00:39:20,200
than oh, I don’t know.
She got angry and wanted to kill

680
00:39:20,200 –> 00:39:22,600
a bunch of kids.
Like I don’t think it was that

681
00:39:22,600 –> 00:39:26,400
doesn’t seem like it was that?
No, her mom walked out at her.

682
00:39:26,400 –> 00:39:29,600
She would had this life mission
to be the best super mom

683
00:39:29,600 –> 00:39:33,800
possible and never talked about
her feelings or her past or

684
00:39:33,808 –> 00:39:37,100
anything, and it got the better
of her unfortunately.

685
00:39:37,200 –> 00:39:40,200
Lee.
Yeah, and so back to the crash

686
00:39:40,600 –> 00:39:45,200
at around, 1:00 p.m. she calls,
Jackie hands, who is the mother

687
00:39:45,200 –> 00:39:50,800
of the three girls in the van
with her and she sounds bad, the

688
00:39:50,800 –> 00:39:55,200
call lasts around two and a half
minutes and then her brother

689
00:39:55,200 –> 00:39:59,100
calls, Jackie’s, husband, the
father of the three girls in the

690
00:39:59,100 –> 00:40:02,700
van, he ends up on the phone
with his oldest daughter.

691
00:40:02,800 –> 00:40:06,800
And she is the one who says the
magic words that give this.

692
00:40:07,200 –> 00:40:12,600
Henry its title, there’s
something wrong with Aunt Diane

693
00:40:12,800 –> 00:40:15,700
roof.
Like it’s not just that these

694
00:40:15,700 –> 00:40:20,200
kids died this way but clearly
they knew they were scared.

695
00:40:20,200 –> 00:40:24,800
Something bad was happening.
Yeah, which makes it so much

696
00:40:24,800 –> 00:40:27,800
more tragic.
Like it’s one thing, you know,

697
00:40:28,300 –> 00:40:31,800
to be on like a fucking roller
coaster and it turns out you

698
00:40:31,800 –> 00:40:34,400
were seated wrong and you get
back headed at the end.

699
00:40:34,400 –> 00:40:37,000
Like that’s that’s just life
coming at you fast.

700
00:40:37,200 –> 00:40:40,600
Just this was borderline torture
for those kids.

701
00:40:40,800 –> 00:40:43,300
I bet.
Yeah, they have no control zero

702
00:40:43,300 –> 00:40:44,400
control.
Yeah.

703
00:40:44,400 –> 00:40:47,800
And they’re they’re like they’re
getting on the phone and like

704
00:40:47,800 –> 00:40:52,900
trying to let people know that
something’s wrong, but no one,

705
00:40:52,900 –> 00:40:56,500
this is 2009.
It wasn’t like, okay, well drop

706
00:40:56,500 –> 00:40:58,500
me your location.
Yeah, no.

707
00:40:58,500 –> 00:41:02,100
Find my, they, these kids are
like, I see a sign that says

708
00:41:02,100 –> 00:41:04,000
Sleepy Hollow.
Yeah.

709
00:41:04,200 –> 00:41:06,200
Yeah.
They also mention that she was

710
00:41:06,200 –> 00:41:09,200
saying she couldn’t see.
And this is how you know, she

711
00:41:09,200 –> 00:41:13,000
was drunk.
Yeah, her brother tells her to

712
00:41:13,000 –> 00:41:17,400
just stay where she is and that
he’s going to come get her

713
00:41:18,100 –> 00:41:22,500
instead of doing that.
She leaves her phone at the side

714
00:41:22,500 –> 00:41:25,400
of the road and get small back
in the car.

715
00:41:25,600 –> 00:41:28,000
So now they can’t even like
track her phone.

716
00:41:28,000 –> 00:41:31,600
If you know, if doing it was
even possible.

717
00:41:32,100 –> 00:41:35,900
Then cuz I mean, I know like GPS
was a thing, but I don’t know if

718
00:41:35,900 –> 00:41:39,800
it was a thing that was The Sara
Lee in our phones that much in

719
00:41:39,800 –> 00:41:44,100
2009, not as instantly and not.
Well, no, not even you had to

720
00:41:44,100 –> 00:41:45,800
have a landline to actually be
tracked.

721
00:41:45,800 –> 00:41:48,200
Phones were not that
sophisticated yet.

722
00:41:48,200 –> 00:41:50,800
Yeah.
So she leaves her phone on the

723
00:41:50,800 –> 00:41:55,000
bridge and then just starts
driving all sorts of weird

724
00:41:55,000 –> 00:41:58,800
routes that are not consistent
with her going home.

725
00:41:58,900 –> 00:42:01,600
Like, if she was going home, she
was just gone across that bridge

726
00:42:01,600 –> 00:42:03,800
for one thing.
But instead she like doubles

727
00:42:03,800 –> 00:42:08,600
back and this is the part where
like Peace, any investigator

728
00:42:08,600 –> 00:42:11,900
that’s been hired.
Everyone is like, we don’t know,

729
00:42:12,100 –> 00:42:16,400
we don’t know where she went for
like 20, 30 minutes, which is

730
00:42:16,400 –> 00:42:18,700
weird.
Yeah, that’s like the Bermuda

731
00:42:18,700 –> 00:42:21,800
Triangle of the whole thing.
This is where they interview a

732
00:42:21,800 –> 00:42:26,200
friend of hers who talks about
her holding her jaw, a bunch in

733
00:42:26,200 –> 00:42:30,200
the weeks leading up to this.
The documentary crew gets more

734
00:42:30,200 –> 00:42:34,100
of her dental records, this is
where they kind of confirm that

735
00:42:34,100 –> 00:42:38,300
she had that abscess tooth.
This is also where they talked

736
00:42:38,300 –> 00:42:41,800
about how private she was and
how if she had that medical

737
00:42:41,800 –> 00:42:44,700
issue.
It’s not necessarily something.

738
00:42:44,800 –> 00:42:47,600
The family would have known
about because Diane was a very

739
00:42:47,600 –> 00:42:50,500
private person.
I don’t know how you keep tooth

740
00:42:50,500 –> 00:42:53,900
pain private.
I certainly could not have kept

741
00:42:53,900 –> 00:42:56,500
what was happening in my face,
quiet.

742
00:42:56,500 –> 00:42:59,800
Like you would just hear me
groaning if you were here at the

743
00:42:59,800 –> 00:43:01,700
right time.
I mean, I guess if I wasn’t

744
00:43:01,700 –> 00:43:07,000
married then I don’t know, wife
to be like, oh yeah.

745
00:43:07,400 –> 00:43:10,800
No one, no one to hear me grown
on my couch.

746
00:43:11,100 –> 00:43:13,100
That’s the thing is like her
pain.

747
00:43:13,100 –> 00:43:15,300
Just got more.
And more gradual, you were.

748
00:43:15,300 –> 00:43:17,900
You came home with like this
terrible pain.

749
00:43:17,900 –> 00:43:20,100
That was not there before,
right?

750
00:43:20,100 –> 00:43:23,100
And with hers, it was probably a
thing like this, where it would

751
00:43:23,100 –> 00:43:26,900
come and go.
Yeah, and yeah, if she like bit

752
00:43:26,900 –> 00:43:31,200
down on something and it just
like started hurting depending

753
00:43:31,200 –> 00:43:34,300
on how bad it hurt, that’s going
to send people into a bit of a

754
00:43:34,308 –> 00:43:37,000
tailspin.
If you can get it under control,

755
00:43:37,100 –> 00:43:40,500
Roll which is, I don’t know.
It seems like what happened.

756
00:43:41,600 –> 00:43:47,800
So back to the crash, 911 calls
start coming in about how Diane

757
00:43:47,800 –> 00:43:52,000
is somewhere driving erratically
with a bunch of kids.

758
00:43:52,300 –> 00:43:57,100
This is the one of the most
harrowing moments in this

759
00:43:57,100 –> 00:43:59,700
documentary because you’re
hearing all these different

760
00:43:59,700 –> 00:44:05,100
family members, like, making
phone calls to 911 like, hey,

761
00:44:05,100 –> 00:44:09,200
you got to find her.
She is in bad shape with a car

762
00:44:09,200 –> 00:44:12,000
full of kids.
One of the He sad.

763
00:44:12,000 –> 00:44:16,100
Twists, the mom.
Jackie Hance could not remember

764
00:44:16,100 –> 00:44:18,100
her license plate number, I
know.

765
00:44:18,200 –> 00:44:22,600
And all, can I relate to that?
Like any time I’m ever asked for

766
00:44:22,600 –> 00:44:25,700
my license plate number?
Like, one of my car.

767
00:44:26,300 –> 00:44:29,000
Why do I need?
That’s my car’s business.

768
00:44:29,000 –> 00:44:32,800
Not mine.
So I can do I can sympathize

769
00:44:32,800 –> 00:44:35,700
with that.
That sucks guy’s just learn it

770
00:44:35,700 –> 00:44:37,400
though.
Come up with a mnemonic device.

771
00:44:37,400 –> 00:44:39,100
Just come up with one.
Yeah.

772
00:44:39,100 –> 00:44:41,200
Figure it out because yeah that
probably.

773
00:44:41,300 –> 00:44:44,200
We would have helped because
again all the witnesses say

774
00:44:44,200 –> 00:44:48,800
Diane was driving like
aggressive but not necessarily

775
00:44:48,800 –> 00:44:52,500
erratic so like the cops weren’t
immediately going to see her

776
00:44:52,500 –> 00:44:56,900
swerving or anything like that.
You would think one of the,

777
00:44:56,900 –> 00:44:59,400
well, not even then because it’s
not like there was any one

778
00:44:59,400 –> 00:45:01,400
behind her when she was going
the wrong way.

779
00:45:01,400 –> 00:45:05,300
So it’s not like anyone.
Any 911 caller at that point

780
00:45:05,300 –> 00:45:07,800
could do anything.
No, it’s just a matter of time

781
00:45:07,800 –> 00:45:09,300
before.
Something bad happened at that

782
00:45:09,300 –> 00:45:13,800
point and so Diane He’s not
answering her phone because she

783
00:45:13,800 –> 00:45:15,800
tossed it out the window and
left it on the bridge.

784
00:45:16,000 –> 00:45:20,700
Police to this day, are not sure
how she made her way back to the

785
00:45:20,800 –> 00:45:23,500
Taconic Parkway.
Like they’ve had independent

786
00:45:23,500 –> 00:45:26,600
investigators, look into this
police looked into it.

787
00:45:26,800 –> 00:45:28,900
No one knows because she didn’t
take her phone.

788
00:45:28,900 –> 00:45:33,500
So there’s not that data.
Yeah, and whatever 2009 car she

789
00:45:33,500 –> 00:45:37,400
was driving, probably didn’t
have GPS in it, so who knows.

790
00:45:37,700 –> 00:45:41,100
But she ends up back at the
Taconic Parkway almost.

791
00:45:41,300 –> 00:45:44,700
Just like kind of right back to
where she started.

792
00:45:44,800 –> 00:45:48,300
She was so frustrated at that
point to just like I just want

793
00:45:48,300 –> 00:45:51,300
to be home and not feeling
anything.

794
00:45:51,400 –> 00:45:54,800
Yeah, I imagine she might have
pulled back off to like maybe

795
00:45:54,800 –> 00:45:57,800
find another place to get
medicine or something.

796
00:45:57,800 –> 00:46:00,000
To put onto her phone.
I don’t know.

797
00:46:00,000 –> 00:46:02,300
Yeah.
And just like got lost.

798
00:46:02,400 –> 00:46:04,900
Yeah.
And so they bring in some

799
00:46:04,900 –> 00:46:09,700
doctors to talk about that blood
alcohol content because that’s,

800
00:46:09,700 –> 00:46:15,300
I mean, we all know, .08 is the
legal limit most places so .19,

801
00:46:15,300 –> 00:46:18,500
that’s twice the legal limit but
like what does that mean?

802
00:46:18,800 –> 00:46:22,500
Like what in terms of physical
effects?

803
00:46:22,500 –> 00:46:27,000
Does that mean they mention that
with all that unprocessed

804
00:46:27,000 –> 00:46:30,800
alcohol in her stomach that was
going to get in her bloodstream

805
00:46:30,800 –> 00:46:34,500
pretty quickly also.
So her blood alcohol content

806
00:46:34,500 –> 00:46:39,500
would have started pushing like
point to 3.25 stuff like that.

807
00:46:39,500 –> 00:46:41,100
And that’s the point where you
start, huh?

808
00:46:41,300 –> 00:46:46,800
Hallucinating and having
seizures like she was drunk,

809
00:46:47,100 –> 00:46:50,000
like she was put her in a jail
cell.

810
00:46:50,100 –> 00:46:53,900
Make sure she doesn’t lay on her
back and let her sleep it off

811
00:46:54,100 –> 00:46:56,100
drunk.
She wasn’t she wasn’t driving

812
00:46:56,100 –> 00:46:59,300
buzzed.
No she was beyond and she smoked

813
00:46:59,300 –> 00:47:04,400
weed and if she’s not a regular
weed smoker that’s going to make

814
00:47:04,400 –> 00:47:06,800
things so much worse.
Yeah.

815
00:47:06,900 –> 00:47:10,400
And even if she is I don’t know
if you know this about me but I

816
00:47:10,400 –> 00:47:14,300
am a regular Weed smoker you.
Yeah crazy.

817
00:47:15,000 –> 00:47:19,600
And even for me there have still
been times where I’ve been drunk

818
00:47:19,900 –> 00:47:22,700
and then smoked weed and
immediately was like shouldn’t

819
00:47:22,700 –> 00:47:25,700
have done that.
Oh yeah, good idea.

820
00:47:26,100 –> 00:47:28,600
Sounds like a great idea when
someone hands you the joint and

821
00:47:28,600 –> 00:47:31,600
then all of a sudden you’re like
I need to go sit down.

822
00:47:31,600 –> 00:47:33,800
Yeah.
How close are we to the

823
00:47:33,800 –> 00:47:37,800
Hollywood Hotel and up?
I need a bathroom.

824
00:47:37,800 –> 00:47:39,600
That looks like an apartment
right now.

825
00:47:40,500 –> 00:47:45,000
And so so they said she probably
smoked weed about an hour before

826
00:47:45,200 –> 00:47:48,000
the crash.
So at some point she just pulled

827
00:47:48,000 –> 00:47:50,100
over to get.
Hopefully, do you think she

828
00:47:50,100 –> 00:47:52,600
pulled over just smoked with
kids in the car?

829
00:47:52,600 –> 00:47:57,200
Who knows her fucking know?
So once she finally gets on the

830
00:47:57,200 –> 00:48:01,200
Taconic, Parkway going the wrong
way, I can, sort of see how in

831
00:48:01,200 –> 00:48:04,200
her mind she didn’t think
anything of it because it’s a

832
00:48:04,207 –> 00:48:08,800
multiple Lane Highway.
Yeah, and there’s cars coming

833
00:48:08,800 –> 00:48:11,100
the other way and she’s going
her way.

834
00:48:11,500 –> 00:48:16,600
And everyone’s just, you know,
passing so to her it probably

835
00:48:16,600 –> 00:48:22,200
just seemed like she was on a
two-way road but she wasn’t like

836
00:48:22,200 –> 00:48:25,600
people were dodging her in the.
The way they described her is

837
00:48:25,600 –> 00:48:29,200
that she was like so focused on
what she was doing, like

838
00:48:29,300 –> 00:48:35,200
everyone describes her as just
like laser focused on where

839
00:48:35,200 –> 00:48:38,800
she’s headed and when other cars
would come close, they would

840
00:48:38,800 –> 00:48:42,600
just Veer out of the way.
And she just I didn’t look at

841
00:48:42,600 –> 00:48:45,000
them.
Didn’t make eye contact just

842
00:48:45,000 –> 00:48:48,500
kept going laser focus, which I
think does speak to her.

843
00:48:48,500 –> 00:48:50,500
Maybe not being able to see
that.

844
00:48:50,500 –> 00:48:54,000
Well, yeah.
So in that way, like how many of

845
00:48:54,000 –> 00:48:57,500
those cars that were coming?
Did she even see before they

846
00:48:57,500 –> 00:49:02,100
just pulled off and passed her.
So to her, that probably in that

847
00:49:02,100 –> 00:49:04,500
state just looked like regular
traffic.

848
00:49:04,500 –> 00:49:06,900
She probably thought she was
going the right way.

849
00:49:07,200 –> 00:49:10,000
Especially if you sure was
already driving aggressively and

850
00:49:10,100 –> 00:49:12,300
you know, trying to People get
out of her way.

851
00:49:12,300 –> 00:49:13,600
She’s like, okay.
Well, great people are just

852
00:49:13,600 –> 00:49:16,800
getting out of my way now, until
the truck with the guys.

853
00:49:17,000 –> 00:49:22,900
Yeah, yeah, they eventually she
collides with that SUV carrying

854
00:49:22,900 –> 00:49:26,300
the three gentlemen.
We mentioned earlier she

855
00:49:26,600 –> 00:49:31,500
apparently was going around 85
miles an hour when they made

856
00:49:32,100 –> 00:49:36,400
impact.
So that anyone survived that is

857
00:49:36,700 –> 00:49:41,100
shocking, absolutely.
Like, I don’t know how that kid.

858
00:49:41,200 –> 00:49:45,100
I survived, that’s whenever he
was sitting.

859
00:49:45,200 –> 00:49:48,400
I mean, I assumed he was just
strapped in to the back of the

860
00:49:48,400 –> 00:49:50,400
car, the way back.
Yeah.

861
00:49:51,600 –> 00:49:53,000
Yeah.
Because there’s a minivan.

862
00:49:53,700 –> 00:49:56,000
Maybe he went out the back, I
don’t know who.

863
00:49:56,800 –> 00:50:01,800
So yeah, the the crash happens
and then the filmmakers, I mean,

864
00:50:01,800 –> 00:50:05,900
they’re being obviously very
patient with the Shuler family

865
00:50:05,900 –> 00:50:08,700
because it does start kind of
getting to a point where

866
00:50:08,700 –> 00:50:13,100
everyone knows what happened.
But These two are not willing to

867
00:50:13,100 –> 00:50:17,100
admit it like they want it to be
that she had a stroke, or that

868
00:50:17,100 –> 00:50:19,600
she had, you know, some kind of
medical thing.

869
00:50:19,600 –> 00:50:23,000
But she would not have gotten
drunk like this, and it’s like,

870
00:50:23,000 –> 00:50:26,500
yeah, she did, like, she did,
she got drunk.

871
00:50:26,600 –> 00:50:31,700
And so the filmmakers at one
point, bring in a separate

872
00:50:31,800 –> 00:50:34,100
medical examiner to look into
dayan’s.

873
00:50:34,100 –> 00:50:38,100
Medical records and he tells
them the autopsy was correct.

874
00:50:38,100 –> 00:50:41,100
Yeah seems and this is where
Daniel Schuler.

875
00:50:41,200 –> 00:50:43,300
Euler starts talking about well,
she had a stroke.

876
00:50:43,300 –> 00:50:45,300
Maybe she mistook that vodka for
water.

877
00:50:45,300 –> 00:50:49,500
It’s like dude.
No, don’t think that’s the case.

878
00:50:49,500 –> 00:50:51,400
Then you don’t drink, that
water.

879
00:50:51,400 –> 00:50:53,500
Quote unquote again.
Yeah.

880
00:50:53,500 –> 00:50:58,600
And I’ve again being fresh off
of some pretty severe tooth pain

881
00:50:58,600 –> 00:51:02,700
at no point was I like, oh, I
know what I need water like.

882
00:51:02,700 –> 00:51:05,600
Water is bad.
Like, if you have tooth pain and

883
00:51:05,600 –> 00:51:08,500
you hit it with some fresh cold
water, ouch?

884
00:51:08,700 –> 00:51:10,800
No, that’s, that’s how they
test.

885
00:51:10,800 –> 00:51:12,900
How?
Your tooth is God.

886
00:51:12,900 –> 00:51:15,500
In some cases they will put cold
water on it.

887
00:51:15,600 –> 00:51:19,000
So yeah.
In any other documentary that

888
00:51:19,000 –> 00:51:23,900
line would have been funny kind
of but in this not really but me

889
00:51:23,900 –> 00:51:26,500
and this pathologist are kind of
on the same page.

890
00:51:26,500 –> 00:51:31,200
He also mentions that he could
picture if this was a 35-minute

891
00:51:31,200 –> 00:51:33,300
drive he could see her just
pounding.

892
00:51:33,300 –> 00:51:37,300
A bunch of vodka thinking all
right I’ll make it home and the

893
00:51:37,300 –> 00:51:39,900
tooth pain will subside and
everything will be fine.

894
00:51:39,900 –> 00:51:41,700
He doesn’t mention the trash.
Affic delay.

895
00:51:41,700 –> 00:51:43,600
I think that’s what people are
leaving out.

896
00:51:43,600 –> 00:51:45,400
Yeah.
I think like, who know her plan

897
00:51:45,400 –> 00:51:50,600
might have worked, if not for
that traffic delay, who knows.

898
00:51:50,600 –> 00:51:54,600
But yeah, I agree with him.
That it was probably that she’s

899
00:51:54,600 –> 00:51:55,900
probably not even her tooth
pain.

900
00:51:56,400 –> 00:51:59,900
I mean, I had to be the then the
heartbreaking part when he is

901
00:51:59,900 –> 00:52:03,500
like, I because they’re like,
well what if we like take the

902
00:52:03,500 –> 00:52:09,200
results to another lab and he’s
like, I mean you could but I

903
00:52:09,200 –> 00:52:12,800
don’t know that you’ll find
anything different and he’s

904
00:52:12,800 –> 00:52:19,600
like, I’m gonna like cry.
There are several moments in

905
00:52:19,600 –> 00:52:23,200
this that are hard to talk about
in that way.

906
00:52:23,300 –> 00:52:26,400
I was just gonna throw another
one out, which I don’t know if

907
00:52:26,400 –> 00:52:30,500
that would help you.
Yeah situation but when they’re

908
00:52:30,500 –> 00:52:40,000
interviewing the whoo, the
witnesses at the end and there

909
00:52:40,000 –> 00:52:47,700
talking to that guy who found
Brian but was God, what a way to

910
00:52:47,700 –> 00:52:49,900
start this because it sucks to
not.

911
00:52:49,900 –> 00:52:53,400
Watch this documentary trust us.
You don’t need this on your

912
00:52:53,400 –> 00:52:57,100
conscience.
Maybe don’t always talking about

913
00:52:57,100 –> 00:53:00,800
trying to revive one of the
girls and he goes I just wanted

914
00:53:00,800 –> 00:53:05,400
her to wake up and then he like
just looks off camera and goes

915
00:53:05,400 –> 00:53:10,200
she wouldn’t wake up.
Why did we start with?

916
00:53:10,200 –> 00:53:15,800
There’s something wrong with
Aunt Diane because worse, pick

917
00:53:15,800 –> 00:53:19,200
it up in your local Box today.
Oh, you guys.

918
00:53:19,500 –> 00:53:22,400
You will.
I needed several long hugs from

919
00:53:22,400 –> 00:53:24,100
my husband?
After this, I just walked into

920
00:53:24,100 –> 00:53:27,400
our office.
Like babe, that was terrible.

921
00:53:27,400 –> 00:53:29,000
Hold me.
Yeah.

922
00:53:29,000 –> 00:53:30,600
And it like it’s the kind of
thing.

923
00:53:30,600 –> 00:53:33,800
You can watch it and get mad at
these people if you want,

924
00:53:33,800 –> 00:53:38,500
because it doesn’t really are
dragging this situation out in

925
00:53:38,500 –> 00:53:41,700
kind of an unpleasant way for
everyone else involved,

926
00:53:41,700 –> 00:53:44,100
including their own family in a
lot of cases.

927
00:53:44,100 –> 00:53:47,100
But again, this documentary I
don’t know if We’ve said it,

928
00:53:47,100 –> 00:53:51,200
it’s about grief.
Yeah, more than anything else.

929
00:53:51,300 –> 00:53:58,000
And this is such a unique and
Infamous and historic kind of

930
00:53:58,300 –> 00:54:03,000
incident that like, none of us
know how we personally would

931
00:54:03,000 –> 00:54:06,200
react like you can have had
death in your family.

932
00:54:06,200 –> 00:54:09,600
I’ve had death in my family,
like a lot of people have like,

933
00:54:09,600 –> 00:54:12,000
no matter what you’ve been
through, you haven’t been

934
00:54:12,000 –> 00:54:15,500
through this.
No, they were approach six

935
00:54:15,500 –> 00:54:18,400
months after this.
To make this documentary.

936
00:54:18,600 –> 00:54:21,600
This was fresh, this was fresh
when it came out.

937
00:54:21,600 –> 00:54:24,000
Yeah.
And yeah, you’re you’re really

938
00:54:24,000 –> 00:54:26,200
seeing them go through it in the
whole time.

939
00:54:26,200 –> 00:54:30,000
You want them to be right.
Like you want you so bad do.

940
00:54:30,100 –> 00:54:35,500
And the thing is, there is a
medical condition that can kind

941
00:54:35,500 –> 00:54:38,700
of cause what the family’s
talking about, which I didn’t

942
00:54:38,700 –> 00:54:43,900
find out until years later, it’s
called auto-brewery syndrome.

943
00:54:44,000 –> 00:54:50,000
And what happens is bacteria, In
your gut ferments and literally

944
00:54:50,000 –> 00:54:53,300
turns into alcohol.
And you’re just like home one

945
00:54:53,300 –> 00:54:55,700
day and all of a sudden you’re
hammered you’re like what the

946
00:54:55,700 –> 00:55:00,800
fuck what happened but it’s very
rare and at least in the case as

947
00:55:00,800 –> 00:55:03,100
I read about you don’t get that
drunk.

948
00:55:03,200 –> 00:55:07,400
You don’t have like six ounces
of unprocessed alcohol in your

949
00:55:07,400 –> 00:55:11,300
stomach or whatever it was like
she just she made a really bad

950
00:55:11,300 –> 00:55:16,000
choice and you know it like you
see the family go through it and

951
00:55:16,000 –> 00:55:18,500
you also have Take into account
a thing, we haven’t mentioned,

952
00:55:18,500 –> 00:55:22,400
like people, like they’re one of
the Articles, the families

953
00:55:22,400 –> 00:55:27,000
reading early on in, this is the
people you’ll meet in hell and

954
00:55:27,200 –> 00:55:32,800
Diane Schuler was on the list.
Like I mean, in the eyes of most

955
00:55:32,800 –> 00:55:36,200
people who heard about this, she
was just an irresponsible

956
00:55:36,200 –> 00:55:39,200
Criminal Who I think.
Most people probably would have

957
00:55:39,200 –> 00:55:43,200
preferred to have survived so
she could, you know, go to

958
00:55:43,200 –> 00:55:47,400
prison for her crimes but It
didn’t happen.

959
00:55:47,400 –> 00:55:52,500
So it ended the way it ended and
this documentary is what we got

960
00:55:52,500 –> 00:55:56,800
out of it.
And it’s really, it’s really

961
00:55:56,800 –> 00:56:00,600
more about how you just, you
don’t know, you don’t know what

962
00:56:00,600 –> 00:56:03,700
these people are going through.
They had to say all this stuff

963
00:56:03,800 –> 00:56:09,100
about her Mom leaving about how
she was the only girl in her

964
00:56:09,100 –> 00:56:10,800
family.
She had to take on that mom

965
00:56:10,800 –> 00:56:12,300
role.
Even when the mom did want to

966
00:56:12,300 –> 00:56:15,700
reconnect years later.
The brothers all had a

967
00:56:15,707 –> 00:56:18,600
relationship with her.
But Diane held on to that

968
00:56:18,600 –> 00:56:20,300
resentment.
She she didn’t want that

969
00:56:20,300 –> 00:56:21,800
relationship.
She was done.

970
00:56:21,900 –> 00:56:25,900
Yeah, it’s a heavy documentary.
There’s not much follow up to

971
00:56:25,900 –> 00:56:28,300
it.
Like the the stuff about

972
00:56:28,300 –> 00:56:31,600
auto-brewery syndrome came out
but I don’t think anyone ever

973
00:56:31,600 –> 00:56:34,900
even tried to connect the two
because that’s clearly not what

974
00:56:34,900 –> 00:56:36,800
happened here.
Like other than that these

975
00:56:36,800 –> 00:56:40,300
people aren’t coming back.
True Crime sucks.

976
00:56:40,500 –> 00:56:44,700
Yeah, yeah and this is, I mean
it is this even categorized as

977
00:56:44,700 –> 00:56:46,500
crime.
I mean she was breaking.

978
00:56:46,600 –> 00:56:50,600
Making a law by driving drunk
but yeah I mean it I think it

979
00:56:50,600 –> 00:56:52,100
counts.
Yeah.

980
00:56:52,100 –> 00:56:54,400
Accidental Occidental True
Crime.

981
00:56:54,500 –> 00:56:57,700
Yeah I mean she definitely
committed a crime that’s for

982
00:56:57,700 –> 00:56:58,300
sure.
I think.

983
00:56:58,300 –> 00:57:01,900
Yeah, the fact that she died in
the act of committing that crime

984
00:57:01,900 –> 00:57:04,500
makes it a little different but
still a crime.

985
00:57:04,600 –> 00:57:09,600
Yeah fuck dude.
And yeah somehow the next

986
00:57:09,600 –> 00:57:14,000
episode is way more lighthearted
and it’s about and genocide that

987
00:57:14,000 –> 00:57:16,000
happened in Indonesia.
Oh yeah.

988
00:57:16,000 –> 00:57:20,500
Yeah.
So I think we made it to the end

989
00:57:20,500 –> 00:57:22,200
of there.
Something wrong with Aunt,

990
00:57:22,200 –> 00:57:24,700
Diane.
See this is what we’re saying.

991
00:57:24,800 –> 00:57:27,000
True Crime is supposed to make
you feel heavy.

992
00:57:27,200 –> 00:57:29,200
Yeah.
Shouldn’t you shouldn’t come out

993
00:57:29,200 –> 00:57:33,200
of a story like this.
No excited to do some internet.

994
00:57:33,200 –> 00:57:36,200
Sleuthing or anything.
All I want to know.

995
00:57:36,200 –> 00:57:37,500
Is that Brian is?
Okay.

996
00:57:37,500 –> 00:57:40,400
I’m scared to look.
I’m so scared to look.

997
00:57:40,400 –> 00:57:44,500
Yeah.
Yeah and I doubt he’s I’m sure

998
00:57:44,500 –> 00:57:48,800
he’s probably inherited some of
the That sense of privacy from

999
00:57:48,800 –> 00:57:52,700
his mom, God, I hope so in the
years since this happened

1000
00:57:52,700 –> 00:57:55,100
because, yeah, he’s going to
have to read all that shit on

1001
00:57:55,100 –> 00:57:58,900
the internet about Diane Schuler
to, but, and he’s and he was in

1002
00:57:58,900 –> 00:58:01,400
therapy at the time of the dock.
They made a big point of saying

1003
00:58:01,400 –> 00:58:02,400
that.
Yeah.

1004
00:58:02,500 –> 00:58:04,200
Yeah.
And at first he wasn’t, he

1005
00:58:04,200 –> 00:58:06,400
wasn’t.
Oh, I was so mad at Danny for

1006
00:58:06,400 –> 00:58:09,200
saying that his son wasn’t an in
therapy and that if he wanted to

1007
00:58:09,200 –> 00:58:12,400
talk about it, he would, I was
like fucking no make this child

1008
00:58:12,400 –> 00:58:16,500
process this.
Yeah, yeah, I am glad they got

1009
00:58:16,600 –> 00:58:19,400
Him some help by the end of this
of.

1010
00:58:19,400 –> 00:58:23,600
And now, me and Cindy are off to
go get some help after having

1011
00:58:23,600 –> 00:58:26,600
watched this documentary, I’m
gonna smoke weed after this, for

1012
00:58:26,600 –> 00:58:28,800
sure.
Oh, I’ve been smoking weed this

1013
00:58:28,800 –> 00:58:34,100
whole time.
I got nowhere to be so Cindy,

1014
00:58:34,100 –> 00:58:38,000
thank you so much for doing the
first episode of True Crime

1015
00:58:38,000 –> 00:58:40,500
sucks with me.
I promise, next time you’re on,

1016
00:58:40,600 –> 00:58:45,000
we’ll talk about something a
little less devastating.

1017
00:58:45,200 –> 00:58:48,700
Yeah, I needed easy.
Ew next time my dear Zachary

1018
00:58:48,700 –> 00:58:53,000
warning.
Yeah there needs to be a dear

1019
00:58:53,000 –> 00:58:56,000
Zachary badge that we put on
episodes like this.

1020
00:58:56,100 –> 00:59:00,000
Yeah trust trust you don’t need
to know you if you don’t know.

1021
00:59:00,400 –> 00:59:04,800
Um I don’t I don’t think we have
anything to plug this feels like

1022
00:59:04,800 –> 00:59:06,400
a weird.
I mean you’re listening to this

1023
00:59:06,400 –> 00:59:08,500
podcast.
It’s a new podcast.

1024
00:59:08,700 –> 00:59:11,900
Please like And subscribe and
don’t cry.

1025
00:59:12,300 –> 00:59:14,400
Yeah.
We’re usually very, you know

1026
00:59:14,400 –> 00:59:16,400
what, and we got some jokes in
what we could.

1027
00:59:16,900 –> 00:59:18,400
Yeah.
Make a lot more jokes in our

1028
00:59:18,400 –> 00:59:20,900
silly little lives.
Normally follow us on all the

1029
00:59:20,900 –> 00:59:21,900
things.
Yeah.

1030
00:59:21,900 –> 00:59:24,100
Oh, I forget there is one line
at the end.

1031
00:59:24,200 –> 00:59:26,200
Oh my god.
Do this weather?

1032
00:59:26,200 –> 00:59:28,700
Here we go.
Where they’re interviewing the

1033
00:59:28,700 –> 00:59:32,400
witnesses to the crash.
And one guy goes there are

1034
00:59:32,400 –> 00:59:35,500
people at the scene who are on
the phone with 911 like that.

1035
00:59:36,500 –> 00:59:39,500
You said that wrong, buddy.
You met 911.

1036
00:59:39,500 –> 00:59:42,100
Not 911.
But he was a New Yorker.

1037
00:59:42,100 –> 00:59:43,500
Will give him a pass.
Yeah.

1038
00:59:43,600 –> 00:59:46,300
And it was nice little
light-hearted moment there at

1039
00:59:46,300 –> 00:59:50,900
the And I appreciated it.
So yeah, that’s our episode,

1040
00:59:51,100 –> 00:59:55,000
that’s it.
Thank you so much for listening

1041
00:59:55,000 –> 00:59:57,900
worse.
We do appreciate it.

1042
00:59:58,300 –> 01:00:00,200
Cindy, do you have anything to
plug?

1043
01:00:01,100 –> 01:00:04,600
If you don’t already, follow me
on all social medias at, Cindy

1044
01:00:04,600 –> 01:00:07,300
are being a junior, that’s
Junior like in Jr.

1045
01:00:07,400 –> 01:00:10,500
And I think that’s it.
Let’s get out of here.

1046
01:00:10,500 –> 01:00:13,100
Cindy say goodbye.
Bye, bye.

1047
01:00:13,100 –> 01:00:14,400
Goodbye everybody.
We love you.