Conspiracy! The Show 220: The Government Is Bad (and Other Shocking Conspiracy News)

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Welcome to conspiracy the show.
The world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast with
your host, Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia haydar
Hey, everybody, Welcome to

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conspiracy the show.
I’m Adam Todd Brown.

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Who are you?
I’m Olivia, hide our.

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You know what?
That makes us makes us your

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hosts.
Well.

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Yeah.
Deep, huh, pretty deep Bolivia.

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How is it out of it?
That way?

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How’s it going?
Happy.

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Post-halloween day after
Halloween.

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Did you get a lot of candy?
I did?

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Yeah, totally.
Yeah, I went to, Treating in my

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neighbors are like.
Hey, aren’t you 35?

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What’s going on?
Yeah, and you just say no, my

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costume is 35.
Yeah, yeah, I’m just up.

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It’s a very realistic.
I’m a 35 year old.

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Actually I will a little
overboard Kyle, looks about 40

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but ah, yeah.
We’re not talking about anything

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halloween-related.
We should have.

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I guess we just drop the ball.
There’s not really any Halloween

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conspiracies to talk.
Not really, I mean, it’s kind of

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all played out by Halloween
itself.

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I feel like it’s tough for the,
any conspiracy to break through

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the mass of, like, especially
now Halloween lasts the whole

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day a month.
Yeah, yeah.

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I guess, last week’s episode was
kind of our Halloween episode

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with Alex Jones descending into
the forest of Northern

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California to show us a burning
owl.

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Yeah, we talked about how it was
kind of Blair Witch e.

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So yeah.
Counts.

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Yeah.
Good job us.

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Good enough now it’s
Thanksgiving time so now it’s

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election time.
My friend.

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Oh my God.
Yeah yeah.

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There’s nothing really
conspiracy related to talk about

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around the election.
Huh?

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No, totally nothing at all.
We’re actually going to talk

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about some election related
stuff because we’re doing a

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conspiracy news Roundup every
once in a while, I’ll go to my

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RSS reader and just type the
word conspiracy in and see what

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kind of stuff.
Zup.

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And you’d be surprised.
It’s more than you’d expect.

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Sometimes.
Even some mainstream news stuff

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like this.
Hmm.

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This first story from science
daily.com ever heard of science.

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Yes it rules.
I have, it’s very cool.

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I have a t-shirt says science on
it.

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I haven’t teacher says NASA.
Oh, I do have an assertion like

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science.
I’m wearing a Nirvana shirt

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right now.
That’s science.

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Yeah.
Hell yeah.

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So this first story truly The
surprising news but fainting

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covid is a hoax is a gateway to
belief in conspiracy theories in

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general.
Yeah that I mean that shirt

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SuperDuper surprised me is not
believing that covid is a hoax

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like believing in a conspiracy
theory and itself.

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Is that not a conspiracy theory?
Yeah.

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And I guess what they’re getting
at is that there are some people

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Who just believe one conspiracy
theory that doesn’t seem right?

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Yeah.
It’s this whole network when you

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find out about one, there’s
always gonna be you’re going to

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find out about the other.
That’s kind of how the

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internet’s working.
Now, I would argue that a belief

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in covid being a hoax, does
speak to a person, not having a

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high degree of critical thinking
skills or not necessarily being

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able to ascertain if a source
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Looking at is legitimate.
So in that way, I could very

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much see a belief in covid, as a
hoax leading, a person to

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believe some of the more
outlandish, conspiracy theories.

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Because there are the true ones
like Elvis faked his death, but

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right person.
Then, you know, there’s also the

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wild nonsense like aliens did
9/11.

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I mean, hey, that’s a good one
way.

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We should do an episode about
that one, but I do think maybe

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maybe I mean is that thinking
covid is a hoax as a gateway to

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belief in right-wing
conspiracies because that makes

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sense.
Yeah, that definitely would be a

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Gateway and also I could see it
being an on-ramp to election

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fraud conspiracies, because
that’s a thing, where a lot of

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people who believe the 2020
election was stolen.

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A lot of them also think
covid-19 To steal the election

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and it’s like, I mean for sure.
Come on, we got the CIA on our

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side.
We don’t need to create

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pandemics to steal elections.
Interesting, use of the word,

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our I would say.
Yeah, that’s a good point.

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I always do that, though.
I always fall into we an hour

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when I’m talking about the
American government because I

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mean it is my government no
matter what?

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I get it.
But yeah.

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Yeah, I didn’t mean we, I just
met Olivia specific.

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Yes.
Oh yeah.

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Is specifically on Olivia’s
side.

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Yeah.
My handlers are very Pro Biden

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researchers as part of this
study assassinated sure, sure.

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So in this study, researchers
asked, 501, participants to

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answer questions.
Assessing their beliefs in

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covid, conspiracies, political
ideology and something called

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conspiracist ideation.
This 501 people I’m like enough.

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Well, I don’t know.
It’s tough with anything like

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this, with any sort of Social
Survey, it’s going to be tough

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to find a sample size that will
satisfy everyone.

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Yeah, you know, because I don’t
think you could ever be big

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enough and you’re never going to
get a big enough one to

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accurately, like totally.
No, I don’t think so. 501 is not

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very many.
Yeah, I would think at least

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1,000 but, you know, I’m like a
dummy and I have no brain for

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statistics or anything.
So, and the Shins they were

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asked.
There was a five-point scale

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ranging from definitely not true
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And they were rating statements
such as some UFO sightings and

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rumors are planned or staged in
order to distract the public

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from real alien, contact or new
and advanced technology which

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would harm current industry is
being suppressed.

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Is that last one?
I mean, yeah, I guess it’s a

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conspiracy theory but we know
that kind of stuff.

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F happens.
There’s that really famous story

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of the light bulb that does not
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And when the lighting industry
heard of that they were like oh

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no, no no, no.
We’re going to make light bulbs

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that burn out.
Well, I will say not speaking to

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either of these examples but
like oftentimes on a survey like

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this they will include questions
on a spectrum of objective

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reality or you know, whatever
like they’re not always saying

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if you save this is True.
Then that is a conspiracy

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theory.
It’s like, you know, it’s a

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spectrum.
So I don’t know what other

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questions are on there to see
where these questions fall.

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Yeah.
On that Spectrum or you know or

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I don’t know their methodology
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biggest problem was like the UFO
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Is it just goes a little too
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It’s a little too specific.
I feel like saying that the

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government is the purpose is to
stage in order to distract the

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public from do alien contact.
Head of for another reason why

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they might stage an alien got or
whatever.

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Like I don’t know.
It’s kind of leading if that

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makes sense of kind of stumbling
over my words.

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Yes, staging it to hide actual
alien contact would be a weird

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choice, and right.
Like I wouldn’t probably, I

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would not say definitely true.
Yeah, I would say that question,

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I would, if anything side more
with the notion that maybe we

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faked some of it, too.
Make, but thank UFOs are real

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but also I don’t think covid is
a hoax and so I’m obviously not

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the target audience way towards
me this survey.

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I know, I know, I know oh, well,
I guess we’re going to have to

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have a philosophical debate
after this episode but it’s fun.

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Yeah, it’s nothing.
Anyone would want to hear?

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Will do that off the air, right?
Exactly.

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Yeah.
What I would want to know is was

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a previous belief, in conspiracy
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Also conducive to Believe in
covid-19, positive, causal

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relationship between these two
things without having a survey

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of these people before they
believe that covid-19.

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So you know what I mean?
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we don’t

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know whether they already held
some like then we don’t know

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that the hoax theory is causing,
it’s not a Gateway.

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It correlates like it’s not
really causal and there was

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actually another follow-up
survey to One.

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This study was led by the
seemingly fictional University

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of Nottingham.
Apparently that’s a real place

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and Robin Hood went there.
Yeah, exactly.

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Researchers, there found that
people who were subjected to

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workplace bullying are also more
prone to conspiracy theory

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beliefs.
So this dates back to when unpop

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started, we had a whole office.
Every time I would walk past

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Olivia in the Hallway just
fucking get shoved right into a

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fucking wall.
And now here I am host in The

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Conspiracy Theory podcast
totally and it’s totally cool

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and I’m fine with it.
It’s actually me and Olivia both

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getting thrown into the wall.
So here we are.

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We just got I mean severely
bullied in those early on pops

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days, it does make sense.
I mean, like, I don’t know.

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It just kind of fits that view
of the put upon beta basically.

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Yeah, the Joker.
Yeah, yeah.

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He got Joker fight.
You know, he got black.

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Pilled, he got all this stuff,
clown.

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Build.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
That makes sense because we also

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see that in kids, you know, if a
kid is bullied and Outcast that

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can lead them to find sanctuary
and extremist groups so yeah, I

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don’t know.
Yeah, it makes sense.

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That makes more sense than I
mean, the covid-19 $0.08.

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It’s just I don’t think it’s
cause alive.

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Yeah, with the covid-19, I don’t
know how many people would have

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gone into thinking covid as a
hoax without already having some

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conspiracy theory, belief.
Yeah, under their belt, that’s a

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weird one to start with, but
also, I don’t know.

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I feel like I could see queuing
on be in a lot of people’s

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starter conspiracy theory just
because it’s, that is definitely

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true.
But in both cases, I think it’s

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just because it’s so prevalent
online, like, covid, denial and

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Q and on both occasions.
I like communities basically.

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Mmm.
So I guess it makes sense that

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someone would start there.
Yeah, I guess.

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Here’s a quote, from The
Bullying study bullying

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experiences can significantly
impact the victim in numerous

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ways, with the development of
conspiracy beliefs being another

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detrimental consequence.
We Believe victims of bullying

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may find conspiracy theories
appealing because bullying

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experiences frustrate the exact
psychological factors such as

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Power meant that are a route to
developing conspiracy beliefs

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and quote here’s the thing.
Shut up nerd, Langer Like, all

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this fucking, these science,
science, science science, bully

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and conspiracy theories.
Shut the fuck up before I give

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you a swirly.
Alright, you study bullying

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scientists can lead to
experience see beliefs.

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That quote is what we were just
saying.

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Yeah, basically.
The say it in a science way

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either scientist.
Yeah, that’s the thing so much

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about conspiracy theories is not
science.

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There’s not that much science to
it.

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I think people overthink it
sometimes.

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And yeah, especially when you
see articles about oh here’s how

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conspiracy theories spread
online.

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It’s like, but at informations
urologist.

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Yeah, I just, I don’t know.
I think people over thinking, I

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think people just don’t trust
the government.

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Times.
And I think sometimes it’s

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warranted and sometimes it’s not
for sure, I mean probably.

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But people got to study this
shit, you know, they got someone

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has to it.
Just is interesting when they

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reach some conclusions.
All right, let’s move into the

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criminal justice.
Phase of this episode, talk

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about some Court happenings.
For example, three men were

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convicted in the plot to kidnap
Gretchen, Whitmer, right?

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Remember that bunch of dudes
wanted to Act Michigan, smoking.

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Hot Governor isn’t she
Republican?

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Is she even a Democrat?
Yes, she’s a Republican and

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they’re just mad that she’s
like, we hey, maybe wear a mask

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and they’re like, we’re going to
fucking kidnap you and blow up

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the bridge to your summer home,
which was part of the plot.

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You can’t fuck around with
extremists.

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Like if you’re gonna go in and
try to get their votes, then

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they’re gonna get pissed off if
you say or do literally anything

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that they disagree with.
Yeah, they’re called extremist

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for a Right, because they’re
pretty extreme, but no

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Republicans keep cording, the
fascists, I’m sure nothing bad

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can come of that.
No, no definitely not.

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So the shit’s finally hitting
the fan over that debacle, three

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men accused of taking part in
the plot Joe Morrison.

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No relation, Pete Musa Co, and
Paul Baylor were all convicted

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of supplying material support
for a terrorist act.

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When I said no relation, I meant
to Jim Morrison, by the way.

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Okay, so they’re not like Jim
Belushi then I like the

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Belushi’s.
There’s no your unrelated little

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different.
They were also found guilty on

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gun and gang charges with
prosecutors successfully.

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Arguing that the group they were
part of the Wolverine.

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Watchman, was a criminal
Enterprise.

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That’s a dumb name.
I bet they have Michigan

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football logos on their shit
because that’s Michigan’s lie.

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That’s Michigan’s mascot is the
Wolverine.

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Yeah, Dora.
You know, I’m sure they’re also

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like in Red Dawn, was that a Red
Dawn thing?

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Well, I mean, the Wolverine his
Wolverines and you know and Red

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Dawn that was the oh, right?
Oh, that’s right.

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Yeah.
I haven’t seen Red Dawn in a

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long, long time, like, since
high school probably.

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It’s a very good movie.
Did you see the Remake?

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I did see the remake with North
Korea, like, where they CGI,

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North Korea, instead of China.
But they still had all Chinese

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actors Korea’s Army.
Can’t afford to fly here.

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Get the fuck.
Yeah, that was very funny but

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like that was like a thing for a
while.

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Like in the early 2010’s, people
were like North Korea.

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They’re gonna fucking they’re
gonna come get us.

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Yeah.
Yeah, totally.

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Yeah, they sure that would end
very well for them.

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I know North Korea is a whole
other thing.

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I have weird feelings on like
I’d probably have been awesome.

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I’d probably be a little
loosey-goosey with my Nuclear

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threats to if I was living in,
this is just the the red.

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Narrative.
I just find interesting, sure.

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Yeah, it pops up over and over
again in different things and

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I’m just like, I always find it
really interesting?

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How it’s pulled off.
Yeah.

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Like who the invading Army is
how they invade how people

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react.
It’s very I think interesting

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other sociological level.
Anyway, These Guys, these guys,

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they are not accused of directly
plotting to kidnap Gretchen,

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Whitmer, instead.
Prosecutors used evidence.

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Like so, Social media post text
messages and secretly recorded

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conversations to paint the trio
as dangerous anti-government.

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Extremist pushed Over the Edge
by covid.

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Lockdown measures very
interesting note in this

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article, the defense was
prevented from arguing that the

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three were entrapped by
undercover FBI agents.

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Who infiltrated the group?
Because here’s the thing.

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They almost certainly were.
Yeah, that’s very interesting.

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I had not heard the secret
recording aspect of this and

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that is quite interesting.
Well that’s been one of the big

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Rumblings around this case ever
since it started going to court

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and people started going into
trial for it.

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Is that this is just another.
One of those examples of the FBI

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showing up to a group of people
who probably did, hold some

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extremist beliefs and being Like
hey you want to kidnap the

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governor of Michigan and then
when people say yes they’re like

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got you, you’re under arrest,
they did it.

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A bunch after 9/11, there was a
group in Buffalo, New York,

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they’re called like the Buffalo
five who were just like dudes

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who didn’t necessarily love the
United States, but they weren’t

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right terrorists in the FBI like
shows up with bomb-making

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material and is like, hey, you
wanna help us put this together?

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And then once they do, they’re
like, all right, you’re

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terrorists, you know?
It happens over and over again.

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There’s a great song by Laura
Jane, Grace of against me about

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the group of people who were
what you call it honeypotted.

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But yeah, fucking FBI agent.
And yeah, it’s fucked up.

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Yeah.
And it’s it’s one of those

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really uncomfortable things
where like after the Mar-A-Lago

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raid and all these people on the
right are like defund the FBI

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and it’s like yeah but like 25
years ago like forever ago.

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Go.
I don’t know if it speaks more

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to how Shady the FBI is, or to
how Shady the right is in the

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Trump Administration, but it’s
like, you have finally bumped up

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against the one, possibly
egregious FBI action also where

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I’m like, I’m gonna fuck, I
don’t care.

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Yeah.
You motherfuckers have been

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putting up with the FBI killing
progressives for decades bomb in

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the fucking move House in
Philadelphia.

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And now you want to defund The
FBI.

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Fuck you too late too late
motherfuckers?

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I mean it’s the same with
everything that the fucking

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right does didn’t have beliefs,
right?

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Really, they only have hatred
and so if something happens to

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them, they react by lashing out.
And so yeah this defund the FBI

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call is like a it’s like a child
having a tantrum but also I’m

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like yes defund the FBI when
people say And the cops, they

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don’t just mean like they’re
fucking city cops, right?

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From the FBI.
Defund, the CIA defund, the NSA,

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defund, the fucking TSA, get rid
of all of these motherfuckers.

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Yeah, I don’t even want psa’s
anymore.

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I’ll fucking tell me, how do I
save my life?

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I’ll figure shit out on my own.
Yeah so yeah, it’s one of those

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things where I know these three
dudes, we are not aligned

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politically Ideologically in any
way.

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But when I hear their lawyers
say, hey the FBI in trapped our

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clients, I’m like yeah probably
like I’m not I’m not I’m not

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enough of a leftist zealot that
I would be like nah FBI wouldn’t

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do that and likes.
I don’t necessarily think that

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they wouldn’t have committed
violence without being in trap

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it.
No.

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And even if they weren’t
wrapped, they definitely had an

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informant within their group.
Oh yeah.

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Like because that’s how you get
those Secret.

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Headings.
Yeah, we have we know that there

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was an FBI informant within this
group and that’s their whole

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argument is we weren’t thinking
about any of this until.

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Oh, yeah, Joe fed showed up and
that’s the classic story though.

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If you’re in a fucking political
group, you’ve got to be fucking

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careful.
I’m not saying it’s never

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Justified for there to be action
taken, but make sure that, you

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know, where that idea.
It’s coming from So yeah, they

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were probably set up but I’ll
tell you who probably was not

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set up Stewart Rhodes.
Sure oathkeepers leader.

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Oh no, Olivia terrible news out
of Washington.

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D.c. what?
He’s healthy and safe.

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Know, the seditious conspiracy
trial had to be delayed because

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he tested positive for covid,
Ono.

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And that’s crazy because covid
snot even real.

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If you’re an oath, Keeper,
right?

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Do they believe is a thing.
He’s like, how did I get covid?

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I’m not black.
Yeah, Stewart Rhodes.

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That’s another thing where
people are like okay, but

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everyone inside the capitol they
were all FBI and that’s a case

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where I’m like, no probably not.
No, like that are too many.

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That’s all.
Yeah, the FBI agents.

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That’s a whole lot like all, by
the way too much background.

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So many of them.
From being in the FBI.

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Yeah, that’s the thing.
What people don’t take into

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account about those January 6th
riots those motherfuckers,

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rioted in one of the most
heavily surveilled areas in the

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country, like, you know what,
everyone looks like if they were

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a bunch of FBI agents in their
agitating.

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Yeah, like that guy from mr.
Show.

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That’s right.
There were like Olympic swimmers

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nuts.
What the country?

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Such a A cross-section of
America coming together over

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their shared, desire to Lynch,
Mike Pence.

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If they had done that then I
would still care about January’s

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like it just was such a nothing
I was so mad that nothing

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happened.
Anyway.

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Yeah.
If anything, it felt like a test

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of what our current facial
recognition capabilities, are

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because you got a bunch of
people at a time when we’re all

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supposed to be wearing masks and
best possible moment to wear a

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Ask would be when you’re
storming.

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The capital in these
motherfuckers were still to

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anti-mask to wear a mask when
storming the capital.

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Yeah, I feel like it was just a
big test of.

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All right, what are these?
Facial recognition cameras?

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We got.
What can they do?

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Let’s see if we could identify
every fucking person and I bet

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they did.
Yeah, probably someday those

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photos will be used to make
trading cards sets of the people

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who stormed the capital when our
new imagine if You storm the

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capital and then you didn’t get
arrested by the FBI like six

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months later, like, how do you
not live the rest of your life

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and total fear and paranoia?
Yeah, that’s like, oh, I’m the

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one that they let go.
Oh, no.

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When are they coming for me?
Right?

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Or like, they’re just watching
me for whatever I do.

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Yeah, so back to Stewart Rhodes.
He’s the leader of the Oath

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Keepers.
Hmm.

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He is not accused of going in
the capital, but he is accused

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of January, 6th stuff and so,
quarantine protocols.

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They don’t permit roads to
participate in his trial via

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video conference or to be I
ported to the court for at least

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a week, but he does have the
right to waive, his in-person

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presence during trial, and he
ended up just doing that.

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So right, he waved his
constitutional right to be

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present during the testimony of
eight government Witnesses.

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Who is his attorney?
Said, we’re less critical to his

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defense because they would speak
to events inside the Capitol and

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he’s not accused of entering the
capital, here’s the thing.

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Why didn’t he enter the capital?
Yeah.

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Near The Oath Keepers.
What were you doing?

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He’s jerking off outside.
I mean probably, yes, almost any

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of these fucking white
nationalist right-wing groups.

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I don’t think of their leaders
as Paragons of Bravery.

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I don’t think of them as people
who are good at manipulating

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other people into being Paragons
of Bravery, right?

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But also, I don’t know, maybe
he’s a fucking maybe he’s a fit

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there will not be a single
accusation, you can make it gets

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to roads of the oath.
Beekeepers that I would not at

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least consider again, that might
be true.

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It would absolutely be the
easiest way to keep an eye on

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the most extreme element in this
country would be for law

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enforcement to just set up their
own right-wing group sure.

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Yes.
But also, the government is

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right wing.
Well, yeah, that’s the whole

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thing.
But also they might just be in

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it, but a right-wing government.
It doesn’t have room for Right

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wing.
Oh yeah, agitators like it’s

436
00:25:43,300 –> 00:25:45,800
still going to have to leave
paramilitary Wing.

437
00:25:45,900 –> 00:25:48,900
Yeah, absolutely.
Adam Todd Brown.

438
00:25:48,900 –> 00:25:51,700
Dotsub stack.com.
I just wrote an article about

439
00:25:51,700 –> 00:25:55,100
how we should stop arguing about
whether the United States is

440
00:25:55,100 –> 00:25:59,000
becoming fascist.
We have always been fascist,

441
00:25:59,000 –> 00:26:01,300
absolutely.
Never been a moment when we

442
00:26:01,300 –> 00:26:03,800
weren’t, you know, how many days
of detention?

443
00:26:03,800 –> 00:26:07,900
I got as a kid for not saying
the Pledge of Allegiance.

444
00:26:08,100 –> 00:26:12,700
Yeah.
Yeah, as I never said it, that’s

445
00:26:12,700 –> 00:26:17,700
one of the tenets of fascism is
romantic symbolism and this

446
00:26:17,700 –> 00:26:21,000
extreme nationalism and people
are like, we don’t have that

447
00:26:21,000 –> 00:26:22,900
like the fuck.
We don’t fuck.

448
00:26:22,900 –> 00:26:27,000
We don’t if nothing else.
We’ve had it in full force since

449
00:26:27,000 –> 00:26:29,300
the first war in Iraq.
Yes.

450
00:26:29,500 –> 00:26:33,200
Ever since my whole life.
Yeah, it’s been that after that,

451
00:26:33,300 –> 00:26:35,600
I’m not joking at all.
When I say there was the Dream

452
00:26:35,600 –> 00:26:39,500
Team at the 1992 u.s.
Olympics.

453
00:26:39,900 –> 00:26:43,200
Sure.
We’ve been a highly fascist

454
00:26:43,200 –> 00:26:47,600
highly patriotic country for
yeah, as long as most of the

455
00:26:47,600 –> 00:26:50,600
people, I know have been alive
and it’s just gone into

456
00:26:50,600 –> 00:26:53,600
overdrive after 9/11.
My sister doesn’t know what

457
00:26:53,600 –> 00:26:57,800
country that isn’t like this.
Yeah, it’s awful.

458
00:26:57,900 –> 00:27:00,400
Yeah, it’s bad times and Stewart
Rhodes.

459
00:27:00,400 –> 00:27:03,000
Still sucks and Stewart Rhodes
fucking sucks.

460
00:27:03,000 –> 00:27:07,700
Yeah, he’s now if he dies of
covid, that one would be awfully

461
00:27:07,700 –> 00:27:10,300
funny.
But, yes, yeah, for the These

462
00:27:10,300 –> 00:27:14,400
seditious conspiracy charges.
He’s facing a maximum penalty of

463
00:27:14,400 –> 00:27:17,300
20 years in prison, and I’m
assuming he’ll get something

464
00:27:17,300 –> 00:27:20,700
more along the lines of
Probation and then he’ll like,

465
00:27:20,700 –> 00:27:23,500
assassinate an elected official,
a few years.

466
00:27:25,500 –> 00:27:29,000
Maybe I’m interested to see how
this plays out and what kind of

467
00:27:29,000 –> 00:27:33,500
sure charges he does get because
I joke about him not going

468
00:27:33,500 –> 00:27:37,000
inside but I think he’s kind of
accused of being the general of

469
00:27:37,000 –> 00:27:41,700
it and like directing shit which
is that’s People in charge of

470
00:27:41,700 –> 00:27:46,000
militaries do is they order them
around from a safe distance,

471
00:27:46,400 –> 00:27:48,400
right?
If he’s the leader of the Oath,

472
00:27:48,400 –> 00:27:52,300
Keepers, then decent, percentage
of people who were inside the

473
00:27:52,300 –> 00:27:55,500
building were there at his
behest.

474
00:27:55,500 –> 00:27:57,300
Yeah.
If nothing else.

475
00:27:57,400 –> 00:28:01,600
So let’s talk about some good
news for a change Olivia.

476
00:28:01,700 –> 00:28:05,300
Okay.
Finally, the 2000 mules book is

477
00:28:05,300 –> 00:28:11,400
available in stores, shit.
Okay, I gotta I gotta Pre-order

478
00:28:11,400 –> 00:28:13,200
it.
Yeah I think it’s available at

479
00:28:13,200 –> 00:28:18,300
Barnes and Noble probably I mean
NPR found the band version of it

480
00:28:18,300 –> 00:28:26,000
parts and Noble this book.
Oh man we did episode about the

481
00:28:26,000 –> 00:28:32,300
movie version of hmm. 2000
mules, which is yes we did.

482
00:28:32,400 –> 00:28:36,500
Dinesh d’souza’s, highly
respected and flawlessly

483
00:28:36,500 –> 00:28:42,600
researched 2020 election fraud.
Henry, that was co-starring

484
00:28:42,800 –> 00:28:45,100
Sebastian.
Gorka and Charlie Kirk.

485
00:28:45,700 –> 00:28:48,300
Right, right, right.
And a dog who had his face

486
00:28:48,300 –> 00:28:55,600
blurred out till the absolute
best moment from that

487
00:28:55,600 –> 00:28:58,500
documentary.
Yeah, absolutely.

488
00:29:00,000 –> 00:29:03,000
Where the dog’s face to protect
us identity.

489
00:29:03,800 –> 00:29:08,100
That’s Just Like, Jesse.
Ventura is Alex Jones, okay?

490
00:29:08,200 –> 00:29:10,600
But I mean that’s just much more
soft spoken.

491
00:29:10,700 –> 00:29:13,800
Oh yeah of course.
Yeah you weren’t on the episode.

492
00:29:13,800 –> 00:29:17,100
Where we talked about this book
being recalled, that know, I

493
00:29:17,100 –> 00:29:21,100
recorded with Andy cell.
So you weren’t there.

494
00:29:21,100 –> 00:29:25,000
When we mention that, after two
thousand meals came out, it was

495
00:29:25,200 –> 00:29:28,900
noted that all of the scenes of
Dinesh D’Souza filming in his

496
00:29:28,900 –> 00:29:31,200
home.
Um, and in his office, not his

497
00:29:31,200 –> 00:29:37,600
home, not his office, he just
like staged all of that and it’s

498
00:29:37,600 –> 00:29:40,100
like you have a home.
What’s happening there?

499
00:29:40,100 –> 00:29:44,900
That you can’t just film there.
Oh my God.

500
00:29:44,900 –> 00:29:47,600
And when they asked him about
it, he was just like movies,

501
00:29:47,600 –> 00:29:48,900
man.
I’m movies work.

502
00:29:48,900 –> 00:29:52,000
That is how Dinesh D’Souza talks
well, main just movies.

503
00:29:52,000 –> 00:29:54,200
Mac monban.
This got movies, man, thick

504
00:29:54,200 –> 00:29:58,100
Creole Accent on Dinesh D’Souza.
That is a ghost here.

505
00:29:58,100 –> 00:30:03,000
My lowing, my mind.
Then we that part is fake.

506
00:30:03,100 –> 00:30:07,100
Oh my God.
Yeah it’s such a weird thing to

507
00:30:07,100 –> 00:30:09,800
fake.
Why not just have that on your

508
00:30:09,800 –> 00:30:12,000
set why?
I just have that happen on your

509
00:30:12,000 –> 00:30:16,800
set you’ve got this whole
Newsroom set oh my God that

510
00:30:16,800 –> 00:30:21,400
movie is so shitty.
So this book came out and

511
00:30:21,700 –> 00:30:23,400
uh-huh.
It was announced that it was

512
00:30:23,400 –> 00:30:27,500
coming out and there’s this
immediate recall and NPR

513
00:30:27,500 –> 00:30:31,800
actually drove.
Rove around LA traffic.

514
00:30:31,800 –> 00:30:35,400
They said they were in LA
traffic for 9 hours just going

515
00:30:35,900 –> 00:30:39,600
bookstore to bookstore looking
for one who would have fucked up

516
00:30:39,600 –> 00:30:43,100
and put those books out early
before they got recalled and

517
00:30:43,100 –> 00:30:47,400
they found a copy at a Barnes &
Noble in the San Fernando

518
00:30:47,400 –> 00:30:50,600
Valley.
And so, they know what was in

519
00:30:50,600 –> 00:30:53,300
the book before it was recalled.
That’s funny.

520
00:30:53,400 –> 00:30:57,700
Why was it recall?
Well first, here’s a quote about

521
00:30:57,700 –> 00:31:00,900
what was changed.
Compared to the version they

522
00:31:00,900 –> 00:31:03,900
found it that Barnes and Noble
most notably a passage in the

523
00:31:03,908 –> 00:31:07,500
recalled version of the book.
That accused specific named

524
00:31:07,500 –> 00:31:12,100
nonprofit organizations of
involvement in illegal ballot

525
00:31:12,100 –> 00:31:16,800
trafficking has been Rewritten
softening, certain claims and

526
00:31:16,800 –> 00:31:22,000
outright removing the names of
the groups and quote, the NPR

527
00:31:22,000 –> 00:31:25,000
article also mentions that
sections that purported to link

528
00:31:25,000 –> 00:31:30,600
black lives matter and antifa to
election fraud were Removed.

529
00:31:30,600 –> 00:31:33,700
And the obvious reason, like
they even said it back at the

530
00:31:33,700 –> 00:31:36,600
time is if this book comes out
the way, it’s written Dinesh.

531
00:31:36,600 –> 00:31:39,000
D’souza’s, getting sued into a
bully.

532
00:31:39,800 –> 00:31:42,500
Yes.
Because he is naming names in

533
00:31:42,500 –> 00:31:47,000
making these borderline
treasonous claims about these

534
00:31:47,000 –> 00:31:49,300
groups with very little.
Yeah.

535
00:31:49,300 –> 00:31:52,100
Or slate, I guess it’s liable in
print right now, what the things

536
00:31:52,100 –> 00:31:54,900
he’s accusing them of, I mean,
mmm.

537
00:31:55,000 –> 00:31:58,100
Right would be treason liable on
his part, for sure, but they’re

538
00:31:58,100 –> 00:32:02,100
being accused of Saying the
fucking presidential election,

539
00:32:02,300 –> 00:32:05,200
that’s not minor.
Like if that was proven to be

540
00:32:05,200 –> 00:32:08,000
true, that is not a thing.
Like you wouldn’t get a slap on

541
00:32:08,000 –> 00:32:11,000
the wrist for that like you’re
getting stoned in the Town

542
00:32:11,000 –> 00:32:15,100
Square.
So, what’s especially damning

543
00:32:15,100 –> 00:32:20,500
about this though, is back in
July a person who watched 2000,

544
00:32:20,500 –> 00:32:24,300
mules told Dinesh D’Souza that
he wanted to see more evidence

545
00:32:24,400 –> 00:32:28,000
and would it be?
Because there’s no evidence in

546
00:32:28,000 –> 00:32:30,400
the movie itself?
Yeah, that could have something

547
00:32:30,400 –> 00:32:33,400
to do with it, the million hours
of video footage and we get to

548
00:32:33,400 –> 00:32:35,400
see three minutes of it.
Yeah.

549
00:32:35,400 –> 00:32:39,700
And his response was that the
book version was coming out soon

550
00:32:39,700 –> 00:32:41,400
and that he was going to name
names.

551
00:32:42,100 –> 00:32:46,000
This is a tweet from July.
I am going to reveal the names

552
00:32:46,000 –> 00:32:51,300
of several of these nonprofits
stash houses in my book. 2,000

553
00:32:51,300 –> 00:32:53,500
mules.
And so now all those names have

554
00:32:53,500 –> 00:32:58,600
been removed and that question
from July still stands, can we

555
00:32:58,600 –> 00:33:00,800
see this?
Evidence in.

556
00:33:00,800 –> 00:33:05,000
Also I just, you know, it seems
like video evidence would make

557
00:33:05,000 –> 00:33:09,500
more sense for a movie than the
book, but hey, I’m not the multi

558
00:33:09,800 –> 00:33:12,800
bestseller Dinesh D’Souza.
So what do I know?

559
00:33:13,000 –> 00:33:16,600
I do think it’s funny that he
thinks of antifa as an

560
00:33:16,600 –> 00:33:19,600
organization still.
That’s just yeah, yeah.

561
00:33:19,600 –> 00:33:23,000
Like it’s like a place that has
like a leader that you can like

562
00:33:23,000 –> 00:33:25,700
get in trouble who like colludes
with shit.

563
00:33:25,700 –> 00:33:28,400
Like, that’s the how that works.
I’m sorry man.

564
00:33:29,300 –> 00:33:34,000
An ideology.
Sure does not deny Ash and he

565
00:33:34,000 –> 00:33:36,400
was in trouble.
In this regard even before the

566
00:33:36,400 –> 00:33:41,900
book came out, because the group
Who provided most of the

567
00:33:41,900 –> 00:33:46,500
information for the two thousand
meals movie is called true, the

568
00:33:46,500 –> 00:33:49,100
vote and they executive produced
the movie.

569
00:33:49,100 –> 00:33:51,900
They supplied a lot of the
evidence for it.

570
00:33:52,000 –> 00:33:53,900
Hmm.
And they even distance

571
00:33:53,900 –> 00:33:56,400
themselves from the book before
it came out.

572
00:33:56,400 –> 00:33:58,800
This is a quote from them true.
The vote had no.

573
00:33:59,300 –> 00:34:02,800
Patient in this book and has no
knowledge of its contents.

574
00:34:03,100 –> 00:34:07,000
This includes any allegations of
activities of any specific

575
00:34:07,000 –> 00:34:10,300
organizations made in the book.
We made.

576
00:34:10,300 –> 00:34:16,199
No such allegations that so bad
for to Nest D’Souza, which

577
00:34:16,199 –> 00:34:21,199
organization got a pre-release
copy of this book and called

578
00:34:21,199 –> 00:34:24,199
Dinesh, D’Souza and true, the
vote and threatened to sue them.

579
00:34:24,300 –> 00:34:26,699
If this was published, it has to
be that.

580
00:34:26,800 –> 00:34:30,199
It’s got to be because it, I
want to Know which one it

581
00:34:30,199 –> 00:34:35,600
obviously got to the point where
the book had been published like

582
00:34:35,600 –> 00:34:39,100
it had been printed and was
shipped off the stores because

583
00:34:39,100 –> 00:34:41,000
Barnes & Noble had one.
Yeah.

584
00:34:41,300 –> 00:34:45,600
So post movie being released
because nothing is named no

585
00:34:45,600 –> 00:34:49,300
organizations are named in the
movie, but true, the vote is all

586
00:34:49,300 –> 00:34:53,199
over the fucking movie.
They are all over the movie.

587
00:34:53,199 –> 00:34:59,300
Actually, I wonder if it is this
next group that I’m about to

588
00:34:59,300 –> 00:35:01,800
Mention.
I should also mention though in

589
00:35:01,800 –> 00:35:03,900
the book.
Now instead of those specific

590
00:35:03,900 –> 00:35:07,100
allegations Dinesh, D’Souza just
says quote true.

591
00:35:07,100 –> 00:35:09,900
The vote shared their names with
me and has offered to make them

592
00:35:09,900 –> 00:35:12,800
available as needed to the
appropriate law enforcement

593
00:35:12,800 –> 00:35:16,300
authorities and quote sure.
Sure, sure.

594
00:35:16,300 –> 00:35:20,400
But also, I bet this is the
group that may be caused this in

595
00:35:20,400 –> 00:35:23,100
the film version.
It’s claimed that true.

596
00:35:23,100 –> 00:35:28,100
The vote used a database from
the armed conflict, location and

597
00:35:28,100 –> 00:35:31,700
event data.
A project to make a connection

598
00:35:31,700 –> 00:35:36,500
between ballot mules, and black
lives matter and antifa that

599
00:35:36,500 –> 00:35:40,100
group, the armed conflict,
location and event data project

600
00:35:40,100 –> 00:35:44,100
before the book even came out
went public and demanded a

601
00:35:44,107 –> 00:35:47,200
correction from Dinesh D’Souza
over that claim.

602
00:35:47,200 –> 00:35:51,900
This is a quote, this is not the
type of analysis you can use AC

603
00:35:51,900 –> 00:35:56,200
LED data for.
And it is highly unlikely that

604
00:35:56,200 –> 00:35:58,500
these conclusions have any
basis.

605
00:35:58,500 –> 00:36:03,700
In fact, And quote in that was
before the book came out and now

606
00:36:03,700 –> 00:36:06,100
they’re not mentioned in the
book at all.

607
00:36:06,600 –> 00:36:10,300
I wish we had that for the
episode about the movie because

608
00:36:10,600 –> 00:36:13,900
that just is everything.
We were fucking saying about

609
00:36:13,900 –> 00:36:17,200
that data, they’re presenting
man.

610
00:36:17,200 –> 00:36:20,600
And what’s funny is like, they
spent so much fucking time in

611
00:36:20,607 –> 00:36:23,400
that movie explaining how they
got all the information,

612
00:36:24,900 –> 00:36:28,500
anything in explaining how it’s
not creepy at all and then the

613
00:36:28,500 –> 00:36:32,700
company That does this for real
is like, look, it’s creepy.

614
00:36:32,700 –> 00:36:36,700
I’m sorry, that’s creepy.
You can’t use the data for that

615
00:36:36,900 –> 00:36:40,200
I’ve read articles with people
since that movie came out, who

616
00:36:40,200 –> 00:36:45,100
were like, I was probably part
of that data, because I drive

617
00:36:45,100 –> 00:36:49,500
to, and from work past that
Dropbox all the time I was doing

618
00:36:49,500 –> 00:36:51,400
a lot of campaigning in the
area.

619
00:36:51,500 –> 00:36:55,100
So there’s no way that person
wasn’t included as a ballot,

620
00:36:55,100 –> 00:36:59,100
mule in this, insane fucking
movie, but what sucks?

621
00:36:59,300 –> 00:37:04,500
This movie’s gonna do its job.
Oh yeah, the people who want to

622
00:37:04,500 –> 00:37:08,000
believe the 2020 election were
stolen, they’re not going to

623
00:37:08,000 –> 00:37:11,300
listen to this podcast and be
like, well, that adamant Olivia,

624
00:37:11,400 –> 00:37:14,100
they said, Dinesh d’souza’s full
of lies now.

625
00:37:14,100 –> 00:37:17,200
They’re just gonna believe it.
Are they even read the book?

626
00:37:17,200 –> 00:37:19,700
You probably just own it because
you watch the movie.

627
00:37:19,800 –> 00:37:20,700
Oh yeah.
Yeah.

628
00:37:20,700 –> 00:37:23,400
I doubt many people are even
going to read the book.

629
00:37:23,400 –> 00:37:25,600
Yeah.
And No One’s Gonna know that

630
00:37:25,600 –> 00:37:27,100
this happened.
No one.

631
00:37:27,100 –> 00:37:30,300
Who is not us cares.
About these things being

632
00:37:30,300 –> 00:37:32,600
factually accurate.
Like you said, you target

633
00:37:32,600 –> 00:37:35,700
audience doesn’t give a shit
about any of this legal stuff.

634
00:37:35,800 –> 00:37:38,600
I don’t care doesn’t matter.
Yeah.

635
00:37:38,600 –> 00:37:44,800
And ever since I had to sign up
for Dinesh d’souza’s fucking on

636
00:37:44,800 –> 00:37:48,200
locals or whatever.
So we could watch this goddamn

637
00:37:48,200 –> 00:37:54,100
movie.
He is Relentless with emails and

638
00:37:54,400 –> 00:37:59,000
doing a live stream like you can
tell he’s just constantly in

639
00:37:59,200 –> 00:38:03,500
Motherfuckers ears with all of
his claims and all of his proof.

640
00:38:03,600 –> 00:38:06,200
And yeah, they’re not listening
to any of this shit.

641
00:38:06,200 –> 00:38:08,800
They don’t care that the book
was recalled.

642
00:38:08,900 –> 00:38:12,600
It’s fun that it’s been recalled
and that all these people are

643
00:38:12,600 –> 00:38:15,100
calling it into question, but
it’s not going to help.

644
00:38:15,200 –> 00:38:17,300
No.
And we think it’s fun and I bet,

645
00:38:17,300 –> 00:38:21,400
if anybody on the quote-unquote
other side Liam’s about this,

646
00:38:21,700 –> 00:38:26,000
they think it’s funny to like
they either get mad about it

647
00:38:26,000 –> 00:38:30,100
which feels there, you know,
craziness or Or they think it’s

648
00:38:30,100 –> 00:38:33,400
funny because their brain is
poison, right?

649
00:38:33,600 –> 00:38:37,000
And so they’re like, yeah, we
got the lives mad with this one,

650
00:38:37,000 –> 00:38:38,900
they’re running.
Let’s talk about this next

651
00:38:38,900 –> 00:38:42,600
story.
Yes, this one is fascinating to

652
00:38:42,600 –> 00:38:45,500
me, but I don’t know.
Probably not for the reason it’s

653
00:38:45,500 –> 00:38:48,500
supposed to be.
Hmm, there’s a new report from

654
00:38:48,500 –> 00:38:52,600
the Human Rights group, global
witness, and the cybersecurity

655
00:38:52,600 –> 00:38:56,100
for democracy team at New York
University, you know, the one

656
00:38:56,300 –> 00:38:59,100
hmm.
That shows that Facebook and

657
00:38:59,200 –> 00:39:03,000
Talk failed to block.
Paid advertisement spreading

658
00:39:03,000 –> 00:39:08,700
misinformation about voting in
the 2022, midterm elections,

659
00:39:08,700 –> 00:39:12,800
that part I don’t find
fascinating or surprising at

660
00:39:12,800 –> 00:39:15,200
all.
I find it very run-of-the-mill.

661
00:39:15,600 –> 00:39:19,700
What I find fascinating is that
they actually ran this

662
00:39:19,700 –> 00:39:24,600
experiment on three platforms,
one of them being YouTube and

663
00:39:24,600 –> 00:39:29,000
that YouTube actually passed and
Poe did man.

664
00:39:29,200 –> 00:39:33,200
Managed to block all of the
misinformation that this group

665
00:39:33,300 –> 00:39:38,600
tried to post has YouTube gotten
better, like is the algorithm

666
00:39:38,600 –> 00:39:41,100
not as shitty anymore.
That might be cool.

667
00:39:41,200 –> 00:39:44,600
If seems possible.
What happened for this test

668
00:39:44,600 –> 00:39:49,300
Global witness created dummy
accounts on all three platforms

669
00:39:49,400 –> 00:39:54,000
and attempted to run 10,
identical advertisements on each

670
00:39:54,000 –> 00:39:58,000
platform in both English and
Spanish and each of those ads

671
00:39:58,000 –> 00:40:01,600
contained.
Outright false and misleading

672
00:40:01,600 –> 00:40:05,700
election misinformation and
quote as opposed to the other

673
00:40:05,700 –> 00:40:09,700
kind of misinformation, which is
true and helpful, I guess, the

674
00:40:09,700 –> 00:40:13,500
ads contain lies, like, you have
to be vaccinated to vote, or

675
00:40:13,500 –> 00:40:16,500
that you have to vote twice for
it to count.

676
00:40:16,500 –> 00:40:19,300
That’s good writing right there.
Whoever came up with these ads,

677
00:40:19,400 –> 00:40:21,200
put some thought into it.
I like that.

678
00:40:21,700 –> 00:40:25,400
And other ads just gave
incorrect dates for when voting

679
00:40:25,500 –> 00:40:29,500
was going to take place, right?
And all of the ads, targeted,

680
00:40:29,500 –> 00:40:34,200
Battleground States and all of
the ads, clearly violated.

681
00:40:34,200 –> 00:40:37,200
All three platforms policies,
right?

682
00:40:37,300 –> 00:40:40,800
YouTube.
Not only was the only of those

683
00:40:40,800 –> 00:40:43,600
three platforms that blocked all
of the ads.

684
00:40:43,600 –> 00:40:47,800
It also blocked all of the
accounts that tried to run those

685
00:40:47,800 –> 00:40:49,300
ads.
That’s good.

686
00:40:49,300 –> 00:40:52,400
Yeah, this is a quote, YouTube’s
performance in our experiment

687
00:40:52,400 –> 00:40:55,900
demonstrates that detecting
damaging election information

688
00:40:55,900 –> 00:41:00,100
isn’t impossible, but all the
platforms we A lead should have

689
00:41:00,100 –> 00:41:04,100
gotten an A on this assignment.
And since we’re talking about

690
00:41:04,100 –> 00:41:06,900
YouTube being the best, we
should talk about how Tick-Tock

691
00:41:07,000 –> 00:41:10,100
if you can believe, it was the
absolute worst.

692
00:41:10,200 –> 00:41:12,500
Hmm.
They claim they don’t even allow

693
00:41:12,500 –> 00:41:15,100
political advertising on their
platform.

694
00:41:15,300 –> 00:41:19,200
Sure whatever.
But the only ad, they managed to

695
00:41:19,200 –> 00:41:23,000
block was the one that claimed
you had to be vaccinated against

696
00:41:23,000 –> 00:41:25,600
covid to vote everything else
got through.

697
00:41:25,600 –> 00:41:30,800
And they also did not block any
of The accounts that posted

698
00:41:30,800 –> 00:41:32,900
those ads, right?
Go figure.

699
00:41:33,000 –> 00:41:34,000
Great.
I don’t know.

700
00:41:34,000 –> 00:41:35,400
Anything else about Tick-Tock
tag.

701
00:41:35,400 –> 00:41:37,600
Never used Tick-Tock.
I’m too old.

702
00:41:37,700 –> 00:41:40,600
Yeah.
I briefly had set up a nun pops.

703
00:41:40,600 –> 00:41:44,800
Tick-Tock and had someone else
running it but now I don’t trust

704
00:41:44,800 –> 00:41:47,400
it.
I don’t trust tick-tocking all

705
00:41:47,500 –> 00:41:50,500
yeah I mean it’s just not my
vibe for one thing so I just

706
00:41:50,500 –> 00:41:52,900
don’t know the details about how
it works there.

707
00:41:52,900 –> 00:41:56,300
But I do know that people like
them saying that they don’t

708
00:41:56,300 –> 00:41:58,900
allow political at like they
almost had me.

709
00:41:59,200 –> 00:42:03,100
Aries specific definition of
political advertising.

710
00:42:03,200 –> 00:42:06,600
Yeah because there is definitely
political shit all over

711
00:42:06,600 –> 00:42:09,700
Tick-Tock which is fine.
I guess I mean you know it’s a

712
00:42:09,707 –> 00:42:14,100
social media platform but still
yeah I feel like they don’t get

713
00:42:14,100 –> 00:42:18,500
enough criticism for the same
kind of shit, like Twitter and

714
00:42:18,500 –> 00:42:22,300
YouTube and Facebook and
criticism for well which is nice

715
00:42:22,300 –> 00:42:24,500
information.
I do think it’s a demographic

716
00:42:24,500 –> 00:42:28,200
problem, kind of a unique thing.
I mean obviously you know older

717
00:42:28,200 –> 00:42:33,000
people Do you use Tick Tock?
But the user basis, I have to

718
00:42:33,000 –> 00:42:36,600
assume overwhelmingly young
people and I think that is a

719
00:42:36,600 –> 00:42:38,200
part of it.
I think a lot of it as well,

720
00:42:38,200 –> 00:42:40,000
young people use it, how bad
could it be?

721
00:42:40,100 –> 00:42:41,500
Well, not just how bad could it
be?

722
00:42:41,500 –> 00:42:44,500
But like, the people who are
paying attention like reporting

723
00:42:44,500 –> 00:42:47,400
on these things, you know,
reporters have a Twitter account

724
00:42:47,400 –> 00:42:50,500
reporters have YouTube.
They have access to Facebook or

725
00:42:50,500 –> 00:42:52,700
whatever.
I don’t know how many reporters

726
00:42:52,700 –> 00:42:56,400
have tick-tocks, yeah.
Again, I’m speaking out my ass

727
00:42:56,400 –> 00:42:59,000
here, but it’s just kind of what
my gut tells me about it.

728
00:42:59,200 –> 00:43:03,000
Yeah, who knows?
But who knows the question that

729
00:43:03,000 –> 00:43:06,600
probably everyone wants an
answer to is no, he’s ads.

730
00:43:06,600 –> 00:43:11,400
We’re not actually shown to any
users once good, they were

731
00:43:11,400 –> 00:43:14,500
approved the researchers removed
immediately.

732
00:43:14,600 –> 00:43:16,700
Well, that’s good.
Yeah, and I just, I found it

733
00:43:16,700 –> 00:43:19,500
interesting that YouTube did as
well as it did.

734
00:43:19,500 –> 00:43:23,400
Maybe they knew, yeah, maybe
someone tipped them off, like

735
00:43:23,500 –> 00:43:26,200
when you own a restaurant and
someone’s leg, hey, a food

736
00:43:26,200 –> 00:43:28,800
reviewers coming tonight, be on
your toes.

737
00:43:29,100 –> 00:43:35,300
Save my YouTube algorithm has
felt less fucked up by the shit

738
00:43:35,300 –> 00:43:38,000
that I watch for this podcast
than usual.

739
00:43:38,100 –> 00:43:40,300
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I would agree with that

740
00:43:40,400 –> 00:43:42,000
mine.
Like I don’t get as many

741
00:43:42,000 –> 00:43:47,200
recommendations for awful
right-wing shit or just crazy

742
00:43:47,200 –> 00:43:48,200
people.
Yeah.

743
00:43:48,200 –> 00:43:51,900
Get more actual recommendations.
It’s just Bohemian.

744
00:43:51,900 –> 00:43:55,100
Grove movies now.
Yeah, I mean, I did just get a

745
00:43:55,100 –> 00:43:59,000
guy after doing the Bohemian
Grove episode, I did the other.

746
00:43:59,200 –> 00:44:04,700
Who had like 20 different videos
on his page that were just about

747
00:44:04,800 –> 00:44:10,800
how the pyramids dominate every
aspect of Our Lives sales thing.

748
00:44:10,900 –> 00:44:12,600
I watched all of them they were
like a minute.

749
00:44:12,600 –> 00:44:16,300
Each were you convinced?
No.

750
00:44:17,900 –> 00:44:19,800
No.
Not at all, but it was

751
00:44:19,800 –> 00:44:22,200
interesting to see this man’s
sickness.

752
00:44:23,500 –> 00:44:28,700
This next story of all the
scandals involving China, none

753
00:44:28,700 –> 00:44:34,400
has hit closer to home for me
than the Huawei spying Scandal.

754
00:44:34,500 –> 00:44:36,900
Well, we’re just all in on
Huawei right now.

755
00:44:36,900 –> 00:44:40,200
The thing is back when the
government first started railing

756
00:44:40,200 –> 00:44:45,100
against Huawei phones and how
the Chinese government could use

757
00:44:45,100 –> 00:44:49,900
them to spy on us, I immediately
bought a Huawei phone because my

758
00:44:49,900 –> 00:44:53,800
first thought was this sounds
like you can’t spy on me with

759
00:44:53,800 –> 00:44:57,900
this phone and that’s the real
problem because I’m just barely

760
00:44:57,900 –> 00:45:00,200
a Chinese dissident.
If at all.

761
00:45:00,700 –> 00:45:04,500
So if they need to spy on me,
that’s a okay, I don’t want the

762
00:45:04,500 –> 00:45:06,700
American government spying on
me.

763
00:45:07,500 –> 00:45:10,500
And so my immediate thought was
okay, I’m going to get a while

764
00:45:10,500 –> 00:45:11,200
Way.
Phone.

765
00:45:11,300 –> 00:45:14,100
It was almost like you know,
your parents tell you not to do

766
00:45:14,100 –> 00:45:16,500
something so you’re like, okay
well I’m obviously going to do

767
00:45:16,500 –> 00:45:20,100
that now that you told me not to
and Olivia here’s the thing.

768
00:45:20,100 –> 00:45:23,900
It’s still may be the best
goddamn phone I’ve ever owned.

769
00:45:24,000 –> 00:45:26,700
Yeah they make a really good
phone.

770
00:45:26,700 –> 00:45:28,900
There’s an I believe still the
number.

771
00:45:29,000 –> 00:45:34,800
A to smartphone maker in the
world everywhere else.

772
00:45:34,800 –> 00:45:40,100
While way phones are perfectly
acceptable and widely used.

773
00:45:40,300 –> 00:45:45,000
And it’s just here that we don’t
allow them because we claim it’s

774
00:45:45,000 –> 00:45:46,900
because the Chinese government
could spy on us.

775
00:45:46,900 –> 00:45:50,100
But we really just I guess the
mainstream argument would be

776
00:45:50,100 –> 00:45:53,100
that the United States wants
their companies to build all the

777
00:45:53,100 –> 00:45:56,400
5G infrastructure in this
country.

778
00:45:56,800 –> 00:45:58,900
I think they just don’t want
rural.

779
00:45:59,100 –> 00:46:03,100
Us to get 5G too soon.
And Huawei is already putting

780
00:46:03,100 –> 00:46:06,000
all that shit in.
So yeah, whatever the case, but

781
00:46:06,000 –> 00:46:09,800
like, you can’t can buy it.
It’s not like, it’s band, you

782
00:46:09,800 –> 00:46:12,500
can, but it’s a lot harder now.
Sure.

783
00:46:12,500 –> 00:46:16,700
They were never, like, widely
marketed in the United States,

784
00:46:16,800 –> 00:46:20,300
but I think even like on Amazon
now, I don’t know if you can

785
00:46:20,300 –> 00:46:23,100
even buy them anymore and God
damn it.

786
00:46:23,100 –> 00:46:27,000
It was such a good phone.
It was like having an iPhone at

787
00:46:27,000 –> 00:46:30,300
like Android prices.
Yes, so nice.

788
00:46:30,300 –> 00:46:32,100
Hmm.
Yeah, I’ve gotta I’ve got the

789
00:46:32,100 –> 00:46:36,600
Samsung, which is like having an
Android iPhone prices, but I

790
00:46:36,600 –> 00:46:40,200
assume I feel like it.
But yeah, I have an iPhone.

791
00:46:40,200 –> 00:46:44,400
I finally broke down and I
switched over to an iPhone when

792
00:46:44,400 –> 00:46:47,200
I got my last.
I’m all about the Android I’m

793
00:46:47,200 –> 00:46:49,700
all-in.
I got a Samsung computer for

794
00:46:49,700 –> 00:46:52,500
school.
I got a Samsung ear buds.

795
00:46:53,300 –> 00:46:56,800
Oh, I like Samsung I’m big.
I love the Samsung shit.

796
00:46:56,800 –> 00:46:58,900
I can’t help it, it just works
for me.

797
00:46:59,100 –> 00:47:01,300
Yeah, they make a good product.
Mmm.

798
00:47:01,700 –> 00:47:06,900
So anyway the way, Wally the way
Scandal, it eventually

799
00:47:06,900 –> 00:47:12,500
culminated in Canada, arresting
the CEO of Huawei and having her

800
00:47:12,500 –> 00:47:17,000
extradited to the United States,
to face, like spying charges.

801
00:47:17,200 –> 00:47:21,400
And that’s what this most recent
development is about to Chinese

802
00:47:21,400 –> 00:47:25,000
Intelligence Officers.
Apparently tried to bribe a US

803
00:47:25,000 –> 00:47:29,500
law enforcement official to get
information about the The case

804
00:47:29,500 –> 00:47:34,000
against the Huawei CEO.
I don’t think I care on the list

805
00:47:34,000 –> 00:47:38,400
of things intelligence agencies,
across the board have done.

806
00:47:38,700 –> 00:47:42,500
This seems like page one, like,
you open the book, you’re an

807
00:47:42,500 –> 00:47:45,500
intelligence agent.
You open your manual to find out

808
00:47:45,500 –> 00:47:48,800
what you do in this situation to
get information.

809
00:47:49,000 –> 00:47:52,300
In the first thing it says is
have you offered him 61 thousand

810
00:47:52,300 –> 00:47:56,400
dollars in Bitcoin and you go oh
no I haven’t tried that you

811
00:47:56,400 –> 00:48:01,000
slide a stack of Bitcoin across
The table right and see what

812
00:48:01,000 –> 00:48:02,800
happens.
That’s what happened here.

813
00:48:02,800 –> 00:48:04,900
And it didn’t work turned out.
It was a double agent who was

814
00:48:04,900 –> 00:48:07,600
also working for the FBI level
C.

815
00:48:07,600 –> 00:48:09,300
That’ll get you now.
Get you.

816
00:48:09,400 –> 00:48:12,600
I mean whatever the sounds like
yeah, like you said intelligent

817
00:48:12,600 –> 00:48:16,200
shit I think it’s crazy that
Canada arrested?

818
00:48:16,200 –> 00:48:21,900
This Corporation CEO and accused
her of spying and then sent her

819
00:48:21,900 –> 00:48:27,000
to us which is whoo.
Yeah because because Canada

820
00:48:27,000 –> 00:48:28,800
there’s a reason people flee to
Canada.

821
00:48:29,000 –> 00:48:31,000
Ah, yeah.
It’s because they don’t usually

822
00:48:31,000 –> 00:48:35,800
extradite people back here like
and look not to speak ill of the

823
00:48:35,800 –> 00:48:40,800
American prison system.
Did I hear?

824
00:48:40,800 –> 00:48:45,000
It’s not great.
I don’t think it’s world class.

825
00:48:45,100 –> 00:48:47,800
I’m pretty sure it’s bottom of
the barrel.

826
00:48:47,900 –> 00:48:51,300
Yeah, the whole Huawei thing.
Just seemed weird to me.

827
00:48:51,600 –> 00:48:55,200
Hit him feels more like like a
favor to American

828
00:48:55,300 –> 00:48:58,900
telecommunications companies to
keep Huawei from.

829
00:48:59,000 –> 00:49:02,700
Getting all the 5 G
infrastructure in place before

830
00:49:02,700 –> 00:49:05,100
they were able to.
I mean that wouldn’t surprise me

831
00:49:05,100 –> 00:49:08,900
necessarily, I don’t know, but
it definitely is weird.

832
00:49:09,100 –> 00:49:11,000
Yeah, dammit they make a nice
phone.

833
00:49:11,100 –> 00:49:15,500
Alright this next story Newsmax
bands Lara.

834
00:49:15,500 –> 00:49:20,400
Logan after Q&A on ran, you
always love when you hear a band

835
00:49:20,400 –> 00:49:23,500
from news next.
Or yeah, we watch the fuck of my

836
00:49:23,500 –> 00:49:26,600
pillow guy that Cube entering
where they distance themselves

837
00:49:26,600 –> 00:49:29,000
from it.
Like it’s always fun because You

838
00:49:29,000 –> 00:49:30,600
know, you’re getting some wild
shit.

839
00:49:30,600 –> 00:49:32,200
Yeah.
It’s like they’re trying to be

840
00:49:32,200 –> 00:49:35,900
like the moderate Nazi Network
and it’s like there’s no such

841
00:49:35,900 –> 00:49:37,700
thing.
Just stop it.

842
00:49:37,700 –> 00:49:40,500
Yeah Lara.
Logan is a complicated figure,

843
00:49:40,500 –> 00:49:41,900
it’s 2022.
I know.

844
00:49:41,900 –> 00:49:45,700
We’re supposed to just
immediately hate everyone who

845
00:49:45,700 –> 00:49:50,700
says anything q and on related
but also like fuck off Lara.

846
00:49:50,700 –> 00:49:52,700
Logan has been through some
shit.

847
00:49:52,800 –> 00:49:55,900
Sure.
And by that, I mean she was

848
00:49:56,000 –> 00:49:58,900
according to her account
brutally gang-raped.

849
00:49:59,000 –> 00:50:05,800
Hmm, during an Arab Spring
celebration in Egypt and the

850
00:50:05,800 –> 00:50:09,100
details of that at least
according to her and the people

851
00:50:09,100 –> 00:50:13,100
who were with her are fucking
horrifying, right?

852
00:50:13,100 –> 00:50:18,300
But it also seems like people
don’t necessarily believe her.

853
00:50:18,400 –> 00:50:22,700
Yeah, well, it’s complicated,
when you spin your career,

854
00:50:22,700 –> 00:50:26,100
promoting hatred against a bunch
of different groups of people,

855
00:50:26,100 –> 00:50:30,700
including people who belong to
the group who You say, attacked

856
00:50:30,700 –> 00:50:35,600
you like That’s a classic racist
tactic and so as much as it is

857
00:50:35,600 –> 00:50:38,600
believed women, and I’m not
saying that nothing happened to

858
00:50:38,600 –> 00:50:40,500
her, I’m definitely not saying
that.

859
00:50:40,500 –> 00:50:43,400
But, you know, you have to
expect a little bit of

860
00:50:43,600 –> 00:50:47,000
skepticism.
If you are feeding into the

861
00:50:47,000 –> 00:50:50,500
racist machine in the way they
are right?

862
00:50:50,500 –> 00:50:52,800
The thing is the skepticism
started.

863
00:50:52,800 –> 00:50:56,400
Before she started feeding into
the racist machine.

864
00:50:56,400 –> 00:51:01,400
Sure, there’s a New Yorker
article or New York Magazine.

865
00:51:01,400 –> 00:51:06,700
Now, I’m going to get sued New
York Magazine article that she

866
00:51:06,700 –> 00:51:11,500
eventually filed a defamation
suit over because it describes

867
00:51:11,500 –> 00:51:16,300
what happened to her as she had
her clothes torn off and she was

868
00:51:16,300 –> 00:51:17,700
groped.
Hmm.

869
00:51:17,900 –> 00:51:24,400
And that is a radically
different description of events

870
00:51:24,500 –> 00:51:28,800
than what Lara Logan and people
she was with say hi.

871
00:51:28,900 –> 00:51:31,500
Happened.
So I don’t know if it happened

872
00:51:31,500 –> 00:51:35,400
the way it did and her media
colleagues downplayed it.

873
00:51:35,400 –> 00:51:37,300
I could see why she would be
upset.

874
00:51:37,300 –> 00:51:39,200
I guess.
I don’t know if it’s necessarily

875
00:51:39,200 –> 00:51:43,200
a reason to embrace queuing on,
but right, I’m also not sure

876
00:51:43,200 –> 00:51:46,700
there’s not some PTSD issues
involved, maybe, I don’t know,

877
00:51:46,700 –> 00:51:50,200
maybe in, I’m sure a lot of
people who believe in hateful

878
00:51:50,300 –> 00:51:55,800
theories have similar trauma.
Not maybe not similar, have

879
00:51:55,800 –> 00:51:58,800
suffered trauma but like I’m
sorry, I lied.

880
00:51:59,000 –> 00:52:02,300
People have suffered trauma and
don’t become right-wing avatars.

881
00:52:02,300 –> 00:52:05,000
I’m not so I’m not apologizing
for Lara.

882
00:52:05,000 –> 00:52:09,500
Logan, nothing.
You are being what she is now.

883
00:52:09,500 –> 00:52:14,000
Yeah, I just I think I like a
lot of other people wonder how

884
00:52:14,000 –> 00:52:18,100
it happened the way it did.
I just see a sea of like she is

885
00:52:18,100 –> 00:52:21,200
being fucking 60 Minutes.
I mean, a lot of it has to do.

886
00:52:21,200 –> 00:52:28,400
She filed a report on Benghazi
than people called into question

887
00:52:28,400 –> 00:52:32,600
and It seems like a lot of it
started kind of going downhill

888
00:52:32,600 –> 00:52:37,100
after that but that was also
post Arab Spring incident but

889
00:52:37,100 –> 00:52:43,500
now she’s full queue and on like
yes all the way like again she

890
00:52:43,500 –> 00:52:46,800
got banned from Newsmax.
Take something.

891
00:52:46,800 –> 00:52:51,400
Yeah, God yeah it’s sighs.
This is her quote in full.

892
00:52:51,400 –> 00:52:53,000
Here we go.
I’ll just read the fucking

893
00:52:53,000 –> 00:52:55,200
quote.
Sure God believes in sovereignty

894
00:52:55,200 –> 00:52:59,200
and national identity and the
sanctity of family and All the

895
00:52:59,200 –> 00:53:02,900
things that we’ve lived with
from the beginning of time and

896
00:53:02,900 –> 00:53:07,800
he knows that the open border is
Satan’s way of taking control of

897
00:53:07,800 –> 00:53:10,500
the world.
Through all of these people who

898
00:53:10,500 –> 00:53:13,900
are his stooges and his
servants, and they may think

899
00:53:13,900 –> 00:53:15,900
that they’re going to become
Gods.

900
00:53:16,000 –> 00:53:18,800
That’s what they tell us.
You know, the ones who want us

901
00:53:18,800 –> 00:53:22,100
eating insects cockroaches in
that while they dine on the

902
00:53:22,100 –> 00:53:24,500
blood of children.
Those are the people, right?

903
00:53:24,500 –> 00:53:27,100
They’re not going to win,
they’re not going to win God

904
00:53:27,100 –> 00:53:29,200
damn Lara.
Logan it sounds Like she’s

905
00:53:29,200 –> 00:53:32,600
describing Snowpiercer.
Yeah, and it also sounds like

906
00:53:32,600 –> 00:53:35,300
she wants to be the one dining
on the blood of children.

907
00:53:35,400 –> 00:53:38,500
She’s Gotta Eat the roaches
while they’re drinking kids.

908
00:53:40,700 –> 00:53:44,000
That’s not fair.
Where’s my you fear point and

909
00:53:44,000 –> 00:53:48,300
that kids?
Yeah, that’s crazy.

910
00:53:48,400 –> 00:53:52,000
That there’s just nothing else.
I mean, she’s just obviously

911
00:53:52,000 –> 00:53:55,900
Disturbed in some way and is
fully in on this shit.

912
00:53:56,000 –> 00:53:58,700
It’s kind of sad but it’s
happened.

913
00:53:58,900 –> 00:54:05,000
So many times that I just can’t
get too upset when someone falls

914
00:54:05,000 –> 00:54:06,900
to the dark side.
Yeah.

915
00:54:07,000 –> 00:54:09,500
In this case.
I mean I’m not upset.

916
00:54:09,500 –> 00:54:12,900
I think it’s shocking that
anyone gets banned from Newsmax.

917
00:54:13,000 –> 00:54:18,800
Yes that’s more the thing yeah I
don’t know her fucking character

918
00:54:18,800 –> 00:54:24,200
Arc has been fucking wild.
I just God believes in

919
00:54:24,200 –> 00:54:27,100
sovereignty and national
identity.

920
00:54:27,200 –> 00:54:30,000
What?
A boring God you Have I know and

921
00:54:30,000 –> 00:54:34,400
it’s that same American
exceptionalism fucking

922
00:54:34,400 –> 00:54:37,200
narcissistic bullshit where it’s
like, mmm.

923
00:54:37,300 –> 00:54:42,100
You think God cares that much
about the southern border of the

924
00:54:42,100 –> 00:54:45,800
United States?
Yeah, fuck off.

925
00:54:45,900 –> 00:54:49,500
What version of God are you
thinking of the one that

926
00:54:49,500 –> 00:54:54,600
blesses, the USA, obviously the
in the American Christian God,

927
00:54:54,600 –> 00:54:57,200
which is all of think that’s
what it is.

928
00:54:57,200 –> 00:54:58,800
Well, that’s the thing Christian
nationalism.

929
00:54:58,900 –> 00:55:03,400
Ilysm is becoming I think that’s
going to be like the global

930
00:55:03,400 –> 00:55:07,500
problem because that such a
convenient umbrella for all

931
00:55:07,500 –> 00:55:12,900
these fucking hate groups, to
align under ethno-nationalism

932
00:55:12,900 –> 00:55:15,600
and Cristo fascism.
You know, you say that America

933
00:55:15,600 –> 00:55:18,800
is a fascist Nation.
It’s a Cristo fascist Nation.

934
00:55:18,900 –> 00:55:23,500
Yeah, we have a judeo Christian
fascist oligarchy basically,

935
00:55:23,500 –> 00:55:26,600
pretty much cool.
Yay.

936
00:55:26,600 –> 00:55:30,800
All right let’s close.
On something that I think

937
00:55:30,800 –> 00:55:34,000
crosses party lines.
We can all agree.

938
00:55:34,000 –> 00:55:36,500
Hmm.
Most importance, the Biden

939
00:55:36,500 –> 00:55:42,500
Administration has been sued
over the delayed release of JFK

940
00:55:42,500 –> 00:55:45,700
assassination files.
There’s got to be something in

941
00:55:45,700 –> 00:55:48,900
those files at this point.
It’s a non-profit group that’s

942
00:55:48,900 –> 00:55:52,600
suing the Mary Ferrell
Foundation, which keeps a

943
00:55:52,600 –> 00:55:56,900
comprehensive online database of
Records related to the JFK

944
00:55:56,900 –> 00:56:02,900
assassination in the suit.
Years cited, a 1992 federal law.

945
00:56:03,100 –> 00:56:07,100
The President John F, Kennedy
assassination records collection

946
00:56:07,100 –> 00:56:12,700
act, which set October 27th,
2017 as the deadline, for the

947
00:56:12,700 –> 00:56:15,800
government to make records
related to the incident

948
00:56:15,800 –> 00:56:18,600
available to the public.
Trump was in office when that

949
00:56:18,600 –> 00:56:22,600
happened, and he just decided to
push it back to 2021, which is

950
00:56:22,800 –> 00:56:24,700
kind of funny.
Yeah, very far.

951
00:56:24,700 –> 00:56:27,500
Almost like the can.
Yeah, just kick it down to

952
00:56:27,500 –> 00:56:31,600
Biden, right before the fuck.
In midterms halfway through his

953
00:56:31,600 –> 00:56:36,000
presidency and when that day
came around, Biden signed

954
00:56:36,000 –> 00:56:40,900
another memo and delayed the
release until December 20, 22

955
00:56:41,000 –> 00:56:45,400
after the midterms.
And so this group, I guess, once

956
00:56:45,400 –> 00:56:49,400
those records to come out
immediately because it’s almost

957
00:56:49,400 –> 00:56:54,000
December 2020 to it is that’s
not that far away.

958
00:56:54,000 –> 00:56:57,100
There’s got to be some crazy
shit in those records.

959
00:56:57,400 –> 00:57:01,400
Yeah, I mean but also Like if
there was then why wouldn’t

960
00:57:01,400 –> 00:57:05,900
whoever was I don’t know, could
the people who were implicated

961
00:57:05,900 –> 00:57:09,500
not do anything to these records
so that when they’re released

962
00:57:09,500 –> 00:57:11,500
its not implicating, I don’t
know.

963
00:57:11,800 –> 00:57:15,400
Yeah, I mean they could be going
back and redacting a more but I

964
00:57:15,400 –> 00:57:17,600
think then what’s the point of
releasing you’ve done that

965
00:57:17,600 –> 00:57:21,000
before 2017?
Honestly at this point, if I

966
00:57:21,000 –> 00:57:25,200
were Biden, I would push it back
to November 20 23 because that’s

967
00:57:25,200 –> 00:57:27,800
six years.
Yeah, Michelle fast clean, push

968
00:57:27,800 –> 00:57:32,800
it back to 32. 23.
I just I cannot presently care

969
00:57:32,800 –> 00:57:36,400
about the JFK assassination.
Like I get it as like an

970
00:57:36,400 –> 00:57:39,700
intellectual.
Like I’m not anti assassination,

971
00:57:39,700 –> 00:57:42,800
conspiracy theories it just it’s
been 60 years.

972
00:57:43,400 –> 00:57:48,000
Yeah, that’s the thing.
I wonder if there’s something in

973
00:57:48,000 –> 00:57:53,300
it that would maybe lead to like
a domino effect where we find

974
00:57:53,300 –> 00:57:54,800
out.
Oh, that’s how the JFK

975
00:57:54,800 –> 00:57:57,900
assassination happened, right?
Maybe we should look into

976
00:57:57,900 –> 00:58:02,000
Malcolm X.
An MLK and Bobby Kennedy because

977
00:58:02,000 –> 00:58:05,300
the Bobby Kennedy assassination
is the shadiest of them.

978
00:58:05,300 –> 00:58:06,800
All right.
All right.

979
00:58:06,800 –> 00:58:12,100
It’s interesting that both times
it’s gotten delayed to passed a

980
00:58:12,100 –> 00:58:15,500
midterm election, which makes
you think it’s going to be

981
00:58:15,500 –> 00:58:19,300
something that like Biden or
Trump would think would sway, a

982
00:58:19,300 –> 00:58:21,200
midterm election.
But again like Trump’s

983
00:58:21,200 –> 00:58:24,700
Republican finds a Democrat.
What would the information

984
00:58:24,700 –> 00:58:28,600
possibly be and how would its
way a midterm and also is there?

985
00:58:28,800 –> 00:58:32,600
Are any sort of news, especially
60 year old news, that would

986
00:58:32,600 –> 00:58:37,000
sway, someone’s voting
preference right now.

987
00:58:37,300 –> 00:58:41,500
Um, the could be fucking, I
don’t know, I guess you could be

988
00:58:41,500 –> 00:58:42,600
but I don’t know what it was
like.

989
00:58:42,600 –> 00:58:44,900
What if what if it says the FBI
did it?

990
00:58:44,900 –> 00:58:46,800
But then how is it affecting the
midterm?

991
00:58:46,800 –> 00:58:49,000
I don’t know.
Yeah, the midterm thing could

992
00:58:49,000 –> 00:58:53,300
just be a coincidence but there
has to be a reason they keep but

993
00:58:53,300 –> 00:58:55,700
he deleted to right after the
midterm.

994
00:58:56,400 –> 00:58:59,600
Hey, it’s Ali.
So again the midterm thing Be a

995
00:58:59,600 –> 00:59:04,200
coincidence or yeah, maybe it’s
something he thinks will sway

996
00:59:04,200 –> 00:59:07,800
it, but there’s gotta be fucking
something in there, baby.

997
00:59:07,800 –> 00:59:09,900
I don’t know.
I would I’m sure we’re doing an

998
00:59:09,900 –> 00:59:12,700
episode about whatever is in
there.

999
00:59:12,900 –> 00:59:16,700
Yeah, pending our lawsuit.
If the records ever come out, I

1000
00:59:16,700 –> 00:59:18,900
still really come out in
December.

1001
00:59:18,900 –> 00:59:23,000
Hopefully, I still really want
more information about Bobby

1002
00:59:23,000 –> 00:59:24,800
Kennedy.
That is the weirder.

1003
00:59:24,900 –> 00:59:27,900
I get that Sirhan Sirhan didn’t
like the guy, but he also was

1004
00:59:27,900 –> 00:59:31,800
not in In close enough, physical
proximity to fire, the shot that

1005
00:59:31,800 –> 00:59:34,200
killed Bobby.
Kennedy, he was shot at

1006
00:59:34,200 –> 00:59:36,600
point-blank range behind his
left.

1007
00:59:36,600 –> 00:59:39,500
Ear.
Sirhan Sirhan didn’t get to

1008
00:59:39,500 –> 00:59:42,700
within point-blank range of
Bobby, Kennedy at all.

1009
00:59:42,800 –> 00:59:47,300
There’s video like that’s known.
Yeah, so someone else killed

1010
00:59:47,300 –> 00:59:49,800
him, but we’ll never know who.
I mean, it was the security

1011
00:59:49,800 –> 00:59:51,900
guard who was walking him
through the kitchen, but we’ll

1012
00:59:51,900 –> 00:59:54,900
never know who it was that.
Yeah, the LAPD did it.

1013
00:59:54,900 –> 00:59:58,400
I me right.
I thought that was I think so.

1014
00:59:58,400 –> 01:00:02,600
Yeah. – I got you might just say
something some shit that’s gonna

1015
01:00:02,600 –> 01:00:05,500
get people mad at me.
No, the security guard who was

1016
01:00:05,500 –> 01:00:08,500
walking him through the kitchen
was like a right-wing type and

1017
01:00:08,500 –> 01:00:13,400
LAPD so I think we’ve reached
the end of the episode.

1018
01:00:13,500 –> 01:00:16,600
Do we have anything to plug
before we get out of here?

1019
01:00:17,100 –> 01:00:19,400
You can plug Going Back.
Guitar.

1020
01:00:19,400 –> 01:00:22,000
Lost re-watch podcast.
It’s great.

1021
01:00:22,100 –> 01:00:24,300
I’m having a fun time.
It’s really good.

1022
01:00:24,300 –> 01:00:26,100
Yeah you should listen to that.
There’s going to be a new

1023
01:00:26,100 –> 01:00:31,500
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Channels this week patreon.com

1024
01:00:31,800 –> 01:00:35,200
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1025
01:00:35,200 –> 01:00:39,500
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1026
01:00:39,800 –> 01:00:43,300
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1027
01:00:43,400 –> 01:00:46,100
Yeah, very rude.
Speaking of giving us money you

1028
01:00:46,100 –> 01:00:50,100
could subscribe to my sub stack
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1029
01:00:50,200 –> 01:00:52,900
this week.
I should have a column up about

1030
01:00:52,900 –> 01:00:58,100
the souvenir program from the
Bobby Kennedy assassination that

1031
01:00:58,100 –> 01:01:01,800
I bought.
At the Reagan Library vintage

1032
01:01:02,300 –> 01:01:05,700
vintage among other things.
I might write an article about

1033
01:01:05,700 –> 01:01:08,000
Flamin Hot Mountain.
Do you know that was a thing?

1034
01:01:10,200 –> 01:01:14,100
Ah yeah people need to just be
my stomach hurt, you saying that

1035
01:01:14,100 –> 01:01:17,900
people to quit acting like
Flamin Hot Cheetos or some kind

1036
01:01:17,900 –> 01:01:20,000
of delicacy.
Get a fucking life.

1037
01:01:20,100 –> 01:01:23,200
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it’s become
like a personality trait for

1038
01:01:23,200 –> 01:01:25,000
people.
I just like the taste.

1039
01:01:25,000 –> 01:01:26,300
That’s it.
It’s a snack.

1040
01:01:26,400 –> 01:01:31,900
Yeah, but I refused To take shit
about eating at Arby’s, from

1041
01:01:31,900 –> 01:01:35,500
people who stand in line for two
hours to eat a chicken sandwich.

1042
01:01:35,500 –> 01:01:39,300
Coated in Flamin Hot Cheetos.
It’s like with also refused to

1043
01:01:39,300 –> 01:01:40,800
take shit from those people
about it.

1044
01:01:42,100 –> 01:01:46,300
It’s like, that’s that’s not
gourmet food that is Midwest.

1045
01:01:46,300 –> 01:01:51,400
Fair food at Best of the
Midwest, fair food.

1046
01:01:51,400 –> 01:01:54,400
Usually doesn’t have hot Cheetos
and I think it’s starting to

1047
01:01:54,400 –> 01:01:57,600
now, but I hope not.
Yeah, you know, it’s got to be

1048
01:01:57,600 –> 01:01:58,600
blander.
Give me that.

1049
01:01:58,800 –> 01:02:01,000
I can corn, dog.
That’s all I want.

1050
01:02:01,200 –> 01:02:04,100
I want a corn dog, the size of a
baby arm form.

1051
01:02:04,100 –> 01:02:09,200
Dog fried Oreos.
The best walking taco talking.

1052
01:02:09,200 –> 01:02:12,500
Taco bag of chips, a fork Frito
pie.

1053
01:02:12,800 –> 01:02:16,000
Hell yeah, let’s go to a fair.
It’s got a jazz fest in Sioux

1054
01:02:16,000 –> 01:02:18,100
Falls.
It’s actually Fair the state

1055
01:02:18,100 –> 01:02:20,600
fair here in Indy actually very
fun.

1056
01:02:20,600 –> 01:02:23,000
So yeah, Adam top round up
stack.com.

1057
01:02:23,000 –> 01:02:26,000
I think that’s it.
Let’s get out of here.

1058
01:02:26,000 –> 01:02:28,500
Olivia say goodbye.
Bye.

1059
01:02:28,800 –> 01:02:30,000
Goodbye everybody.
We love you.

1060
01:02:35,300 –> 01:02:35,600
People.