Conspiracy! The Show The Assassination and Mrs. Paine

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Hey, everybody, Welcome to
conspiracy the show.

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I’m Adam Todd Brown.
Who are you?

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I’m Olivia hide.
Our, we are your hosts Olivia.

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How’s it going?
Not bad, not bad.

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You know, Fourth of July
weekend.

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Well, post Fourth of July
weekend, but yeah, we took last

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week off because we’re very
patriotic, of course, yeah.

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Had to observe exceedingly
patriotic like on on a list

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page?
Yes, look.

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I need to take the day off to
watch the only movie that you

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can watch on and on Independence
Day Independence, Day or not on

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the fourth of July.
Oh of course, of course.

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Now yeah, I watched Wimbledon
all week like every morning

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starts at 8:00 a.m. eastern so I
would get up 5530 watching

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Wimbledon see He’s, it was, it
was fun times, but now, we are

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back in the saddle.
Talking about the government

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malfeasance.
Yes.

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Yes.
If eclis JFK related, government

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malfeasance.
Can I tell you how shocked I am?

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That there are still interesting
JFK documentaries in 2022.

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Yeah, I when I booted it up, I
figured it would be older and

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know.
It’s a it’s very recent, it’s

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brand new.
It’s not a brand new.

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Three, but it is a thing.
It’s an aspect of the JFK

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assassination.
I had never heard about or if I

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had it just didn’t catch my
attention that much.

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But right, we’re talking about
Ruth and Michael Payne.

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Yes.
By way of a new documentary

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called the assassination and
Mrs. Payne.

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Mmm, which again, JFK
documentary released in the

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2020.
Second year of Our Lord seems

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Unlikely.
But yeah you are.

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What did you think of this
documentary?

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I liked it.
I thought that was pretty good.

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I mean like you’re saying,
there’s not like a lot that’s

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fully new here, outside of the
actual interview with Ruth Paine

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and a couple of other interviews
like that.

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And even then, you know, part of
the nature of Ruth Paine in the

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public eye, is that her story
doesn’t really change.

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And so even Her new interviews
and such are not necessarily

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giving you a new stuff.
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What I appreciate about this
documentary is the way it’s

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presented because yeah generally
documentaries are very along

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party lines these days there’s
yeah usually a side that

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believes a conspiracy theory
aside that doesn’t believe it

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and most of the times a
documentary is going to

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represent one of those sides.
Hmm.

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And everyone is invited to Ooh,
this party.

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The person making the film seems
like he is on the fence about

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roof pain and her CIA
connections.

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Yeah.
Ruth Payne is interviewed

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extensively in this and she is
adamant that she is not CIA.

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But then they also interview a
bunch of different writers on

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both sides of the argument.
So it’s a very balanced document

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in that way.
You get to hear both sides of

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the story and I appreciated
that.

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Yeah.
It’s very rare with a conspiracy

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theory, documentary.
Yeah.

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And I imagine that the guy
making the movie, it does seem

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like he believes in some sort of
conspiracy but it does remain

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pretty even-handed, in general,
I just feel like he probably

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wouldn’t have even made this if
he didn’t believe in at all.

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Yeah, I mean at the end, it’s
pretty clear that he has

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suspicions, right?
But I do like That those

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suspicions are presented along
with evidence to support them as

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opposed to him just saying well
I heard this about your sister,

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it’s more like well what about
this document?

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That says your sister worked for
the CIA.

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It’s a well-executed documentary
in that way.

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Yeah.
And I think it does also a good

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job of showing, no matter what
you think of, Ruth Payne and her

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honesty or her story, you do see
kind of I’ll living in this

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world since the assassination
can be invasive and unnerving.

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Yeah, I think I think it does a
pretty good job of showing you

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know like showing and flashing
comments on articles and videos

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and things on the screen where
people are kind of being very

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vicious about a lady that they
don’t know.

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So it’s just interesting.
I think that I think that’s a

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very interesting aspect of her
story personally, Yeah, it also

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though doesn’t do anything to
make me less suspicious because

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like so many other figures in
the JFK assassination, Maybe not

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immediately.
But at some point you have every

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right to be like, I don’t want
to fucking talk about that

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anymore and Ruth, Paine always
seems to want to talk about it.

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Sure.
But at the same time, she’s

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accessible in a way that you
know, like, I don’t know.

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I understand that as a reaction
though like just taking like

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again, put Decide any other,
like what she knew or didn’t

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know or did or didn’t do or
whatever.

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Like, if you’re not involved
with it all and like history has

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now settled itself in your lap
and you have to deal with it for

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the rest of your life.
I could understand just facing

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that and being like, whatever
like yeah, you know, I like this

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is just it and that that was the
vibe that I got from her

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interview.
That was the thing.

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I like the most about the movie
is, I thought that she just

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Seemed like a engaging and
interesting person who I thought

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would seem like a good.
Hang, yeah, I imagine most CIA

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agents are engaging and
interesting people.

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At least the ones who have to
work in the field and do shit

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like this, but whether she is or
not like that, write another

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story, we should back up a
little bit and mention that the

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Crux of this documentary, it’s
about a woman named Ruth Paine

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and people accuse her of being a
CIA operative, who helped.

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Lee Harvey Oswald assassinate
JFK, mmm, essentially and it

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starts in February 1963.
At least the documentary does

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with Ruth meeting Marina Oswald
at a party and Ruth wants to

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learn to speak Russian as most
Americans did in 1963 and Marina

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speaks Russian.
So naturally she moved Marina

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into her home.
Sure, present.

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It without judgment is that
tidbit also why did she want to

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learn Russian in 1963?
Like she’s asked that at one

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point.
She’s like you know the Cold

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War.
It’s like that’s not yeah that’s

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not true.
Are you treating?

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Yeah I don’t know.
I get it.

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It’s not something that pops out
to be is necessarily immediately

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suspicious it.
Pop out to me as not the kind of

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thing you move a person into
your house for sure.

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But also I mean, who knows?
I don’t know what that is.

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Entire story is she says, Lee
Harvey Oswald was mostly around

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on the weekends, but then one
day, Olivia, you’re not going to

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believe this.
Hmm, shot the president dead

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weight.
The, the president United States

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right between the eyes with a
shellfish, toxin pet.

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Wait no, that’s wait, wait, wait
wait, wait a pale horse eBooks.

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From a distance with a rifle,
right?

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And just like that Ruth.
And her husband, Michael find

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themselves.
Smack dab in the middle of one

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of the biggest crimes in.
American history, which here’s

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the thing, if everything that
happens surrounding Ruth Paine

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is all coincidences.
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What a crazy fucking set of
coincidences happened to this

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woman and this family in a very
short amount of time.

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Yeah, like five months, you move
someone into your house and five

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months later their
assassinating, the president of

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the United States.
I mean, yeah, absolutely

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shocking.
Turn of events and There’s stuff

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that comes up in the documentary
later about Ruth’s movements and

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affiliations that I don’t know.
I do think it’s suspicious and I

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mean when whenever the cia’s
around the cia’s around that’s

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that’s just how it felt like
when Bob Marley got shot in

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Jamaica, the cameraman covering
that concert also was in the

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CIA.
And it’s like, oh yeah, that’s

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that’s probably nothing like
that.

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Seemingly unrelated just doing
CI.

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Hi.
A cameraman work on the side and

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also covering, you know,
potential black Messiah, that’s

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going to have to be murdered
someday.

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Anyway so she is asked a whole
lot of questions by the Warren

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Commission and she’s asked a lot
of questions in the days after

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the assassination, obviously.
Because she was she had the

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Assassin living in her home,
right?

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And it seems like what people
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kind of Acting as the mouthpiece
for the conspirators version of

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events.
Mmm, which does remind me a lot

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of this reminds me of Jonestown,
but that’s because I think the

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CIA did everything.
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But one of the things you saw
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survivors, start coming forward.
And the main one was this woman

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named Deborah Layton who she
survived because she She did it

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but she did in Johnstown.
She wasn’t one of the people who

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was being mind, controlled and
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She was like the CFO of
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like, six weeks before escaped
six weeks before and was lame.

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I’m a Survivor baby.
It was just that one guy who

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talked of us into doing this and
the general public was like,

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yeah, this is a tragedy.
We don’t want to think anymore

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about it beyond that.
You’re probably right, right.

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And I could see if there I hate
conspiracy afoot and it involves

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the CIA.
This is a thing.

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They’re definitely going to do.
Like they’re going to get

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someone out in front of that to
tell their story.

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Sure, I really don’t hate the
theory that the CIA might have

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been who killed JFK?
I don’t doubt that Lee Harvey

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Oswald fired, some shots.
Yeah, of those theories of the

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conspiracy Mafia USSR, CIA,
these things like the CIA makes

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the most a sense out of all of
them or the military as is

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mentioned in this documentary.
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Combination of the CIA, right?
Exactly military like it

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wouldn’t be that shocking in
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It would have been a coup like
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coup but there’s no stipulation
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military coup you also have to
get in front of the nation and

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go.
We just did we just pulled off a

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military coup way.
Sure here’s what that we’re

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going to jump ahead in the notes
a little bit at one.

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Okay.
Wait, there Someone that’s

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interviewed in this and he
delivers this line where he

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says, well, everything can’t be
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I disagree.
Here’s how everything could be

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true because my favorite JFK
conspiracy.

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I think one of the most well
researched theories.

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Is the secret service agent?
Yes, that’s Lee.

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Yes.
Shooting JFK, here’s the thing.

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What if the CIA was trying to
scare JFK and not kill him man.

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Just scare him with an attempt
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Sure.
That they would later be able to

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tie to the KGB.
So then they could go.

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Okay mr.
President now, do you think we

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should carry on with fighting
communism in the world?

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Or do you still think we should
demilitarize?

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And just let this shit happen,
like, they’re shooting at you,

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from The Book Depository, but
then o, secret service agent

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completely unaware that this
plot is afoot according to the

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other JFK Theory, right?
Stands up in the car, here’s

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this shooting and when the car
pulls off, he accidentally

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fires.
A shot hits JFK.

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Everyone’s right in that
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Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
Technically the CIA did conspire

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to shoot at JFK, but maybe not
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And then the government
accidentally killed him and of

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course there’s going to be a
huge cover-up in that case.

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Sure.
So everyone can be right.

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That’s one of my Everett things
about Harvey Oswald.

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Well again, this is the thing
when we’re together the

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feel-good conspiracy.
I like that’s that’s a good

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story.
It’s a very neat.

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That’s the story.
It’s all always only going to be

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a story and write this is this
is come up whenever we’ve talked

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about JFK in the past on the
show our hand.

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Yes not like in depth but have
I’m joking, that’s good.

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You sure I know we’ve done a few
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Like it happened, you know, 70
years ago and or whatever.

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Maybe 80.
I can’t, I can’t do math.

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I have to do math soon.
It’s gonna be a nightmare, it

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happened a long time ago.
We’re never going to know for

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100% certain exactly what
happened.

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It, just can’t happen.
Maybe back in the day, like

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closer to win the event took
place, it would have been

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possible for some sort of
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like the further we get away
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The more I just think we’re just
not going to know we can’t

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unless there’s like literally
written down somewhere in like

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you know, the archives of the
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But even then, you know, then
you’re like well is that real

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like or is this like a
smokescreen?

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That’s what is this?
That’s a thing that comes up in

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this documentary is when all of
the JFK files were Declassified.

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Yeah, there’s still a bunch that
aren’t ya.

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And the Secret Service I think
it was reached out to Trump and

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was like, hey leave these last
few classified because our guy

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shot him.
Exactly, exactly.

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And then he did that.
And then he was like, all right.

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I’ll leave him classified until
2021 and let yank and Biden deal

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with it.
And Biden left them classified,

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which?
Yeah, with it being the Secret

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Service.
Yeah, I still, man, I still like

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that theory.
And I said, I bet if you’re the

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Secret Service you like the as
long as you don’t ask too much

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too often you could be like the
president will just do whatever

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the fuck you ask them to because
you’re their goddamn everybody

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cards.
Yeah, of course you know they

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get thing in a pretty cushy gig
but like I said that’s always

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been the theory outside of
Oswald solo that has appealed to

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me.
The most on a lot of levels.

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It works in a way that a lot of
the other ones are either too

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neat in a writerly way, which is
what I wear, I get tripped up in

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a lot of the older theories and
like, or just kind of, I don’t

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know.
The every theory has holes in it

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except for that one basically
except for it’s a secret service

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agent.
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And the amount of research he
put into that theory and I like

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the fact that of all the people
People who tried to recreate Lee

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Harvey Oswald getting those
three shots off.

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It’s the guy who was actually
able to do it.

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Who was like, no, no, no.
He there’s no fucking way.

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He got it.
Like it because it took him like

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three tries and he’s like, I’m
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Yeah, so yeah, but we we’ve
covered that theory before, but

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people should watch that
documentary.

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It’s called JFK.
The Smoking Gun.

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I think it’s, I don’t know if
it’s still on Netflix, but it’s

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definitely Amazon, I saw it when
I was scrolling through to find

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this, then leads to a good
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if something had come out back
in the day, mmm, then maybe

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things would be different, but
we’re never really going to get

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any sort of Justice here, which
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What’s your stance on the Warren
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Warren Commission after the
things that are presented about

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the Warren Commission in this
documentary?

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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, like, I’ve never read

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the whole the whole decision.
So, I mean, Golf cuz I can’t, I

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can’t speak from too much of a
place of authority, but, you

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know, obviously, I find flaws in
most of these sorts of large

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government investigations into,
you know, either tragedies or

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accusations against the
government or whatnot.

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And I don’t know, like, even
though I don’t necessarily

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believe in Grandeur, conspiracy
theories about the

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assassination.
Don’t necessarily trust

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everything.
The Warren Commission.

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This is coming out with, you
know, like, well, I already

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didn’t trust the Warren
Commission that much just

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because, yeah, it’s like the
government investigating itself

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and sometimes that works like
the church committee is how we

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found out about a lot of CIA
things, but I think that also

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just kind of tipped the CIA off
to like what things they needed

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to hide better going forward.
I don’t think they changed

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anything but there’s a moment in
this documentary that I found

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fascinating.
Fascinating that I had also

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never seen or heard and this is
jumping ahead in the notes.

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A little bit Avenue.
That’s not like the people at

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home.
Have the notes?

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I don’t fuck right here, but
it’s the phone call.

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Yeah, tween.
I was interesting LBJ and I

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don’t remember who he was
talking to, because there’s

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there’s two, we’ll talk this,
the J Edgar Hoover one that they

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only have the transcript, right?
But then there’s a recording of

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him that was with Warren.
I think that was with Warren

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himself.
Well, he’s no, he’s talking

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about war.
He’s in this phone call.

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He’s talking about the Warren
Commission and how he asked Earl

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Warren twice to be a part of the
Warren Commission and Earl

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Warren told him.
No.

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Mmm.
And then he said, so then I

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asked a third time and I told
him about this incident at the

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Mexican embassy that I was told
about and he says he started

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crying and said, I’ll do
whatever you want.

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And basically on this phone,
Phone call.

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LBJ says, he told Earl Warren.
Like this commission has to go a

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certain way.
Well yeah, you have to find a

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certain thing.
Otherwise, what’s going to come

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out, is that Russia did this?
And it’s going to catapult Us in

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two world war three.
And here’s the thing, I think

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that’s still the CIA.
I think that is the CIA going to

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LBJ because the the Mexico City
thing with Lee Harvey Oswald to

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explain it.
There’s this theory that we’ll

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talk.
Out in more detail later that at

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one point before the
assassination Lee Harvey Oswald

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just showed up at the Soviet
Embassy in Mexico, right?

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And what comes out in this phone
call between lb J and J Edgar

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Hoover is that the person they
have pictures and videos of the

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person who showed up at the
embassy and it’s actually not

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Lee Harvey Oswald, mmm?
But there are all these, they’re

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getting all this information
that it is.

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So someone is lying.
Yeah, and it feels to me like if

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the CIA did this, This I could
see them immediately going to

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LBJ and being like, look at all
this evidence.

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I just people at home.
I just unfurled scroll to show

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LBJ.
I could see them going to him

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and being like, look at all this
evidence that Russia did this.

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We have to cover this up.
We can’t let people know Russia

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did this because there’s going
to be a war if we do when all

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the while the CIA did, it sure
it’s like, yeah, we got to cover

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this up but because of Russia,
right?

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But also but then because
Killing JFK would have been

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fucking insane.
No, it would have been.

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I mean that would have obviously
caused an international crisis.

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There’s no way they would have
fucking done.

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No, that one is easy to dismiss
very very I like it doesn’t

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really make sense.
But yeah also though this part

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though the CIA like I don’t know
II, guess I just don’t see if

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they’re supposed to be
assassinating him in the first

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place because they probably want
to do.

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Some more Bay of Pigs type
things and he’s against that

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then you know, LBJ warning war
and off because you know of

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finding out about it being
Russia.

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I mean, like feels like if
anything they would want it to

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be revealed that it was Russia
because they would want military

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conflict.
Yeah.

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But they didn’t want a nuclear
war like they didn’t wear Global

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Annihilation.
That’s what he’s talking about.

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He’s specifically saying kill 40
million Americans in an hour,

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right?
I figured that.

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I mean.
But still, I guess I have a hard

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time with anybody’s mindset who
post WWII once war and doesn’t

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see that potentially becoming a
nuclear war.

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So, yeah, the JFK movie comes up
a lot.

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Lots of Oliver Stone in this
which bad news.

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Prompted me to watch an episode
of the Unseen history of

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America, and we might cover that
there’s only 10 episodes.

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I saw the JFK movie, Evie, and I
remember being very underwhelmed

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II mean.
I have Essence those in high

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school as a teen and yeah?
Okay.

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So I still don’t really know
who.

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Yeah, absolutely.
I might re-watch it.

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Some time.
Oliver Stone has never been my

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guy as a filmmaker, even his
politics aside and so, yeah, I

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don’t have fun memories of the
JFK movie, but I also don’t

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really have strong memories.
So yeah.

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Don’t scream.
Watch it member but Oliver

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Stone.
Does have some hits obviously.

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Oh yeah, especially Natural Born
Killers.

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Yeah, I like platoon.
Platoon sure, but although, I

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mean, it’s a little bit, it’s
one of the, I don’t know, it’s

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not my favorite of the Vietnam
movie.

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So I had a platoon poster on my
wall as a child.

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Corey B, only because they were
giving away free movie posters

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at the video store one day.
Sure.

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It was like the coolest one.
Yeah, yeah here.

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Yeah, it’s in retrospect.
The last fucking thing.

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Thing I would hang on my wall
now.

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So Oliver Stone is brought up
because there’s an interesting

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discrepancy here in the Navy.
There is a Ruth Paine like

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character depict.
Yes.

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In the JFK movie but her name is
not Ruth.

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Paine and Ruth.
Paine in this documentary says,

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well, I guess he just didn’t
have my number and couldn’t

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call.
Yeah, Oliver Stone told Congress

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that he reached out to Ruth
Paine and that she shouldn’t

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speak to them.
Which raises the question of,

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who do you trust in the For me,
is neither of them?

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Yeah, be trust.
I don’t know that I trust her

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either event but like I don’t
necessarily believe all of her

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Stone out of the two of these
people.

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Like why is she lying about him
talking to her?

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Like what?
Like it’s not like there’s

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anything in that movie.
That is.

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I don’t know that.
This doesn’t really make any

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sense to me.
Well, no, I mean again, I don’t

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super duper remember the movie.
That’s probably a movie.

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We should, I mean, I Yeah, cover
for an episode at some point.

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It’s but yeah, I don’t remember
how she’s depicted, but I’m

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assuming just the fact that it
comes up, she’s probably not

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depicted great lecturer.
And the conspiratorial view of

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this story, like it’s brought up
at the end of this and I think

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the guy makes a good case.
Like if you believe there was a

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conspiracy here, it doesn’t work
without Ruth Paine.

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Like she is either an integral
part of the conspiracy or just

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the flat-out unluckiest woman.
Of all time like that trip.

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She takes right before the
assassination where she goes

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from hanging out with a head of
the CIA in the Hamptons, sure to

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Washington d.c. then on to New
Orleans, to pick up Marina

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Oswald and the gun and then on
to Dallas.

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And then a few weeks later,
JFK’s assassinated, if she’s not

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involved, that is the itinerary
of the world’s least.

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Lucky person.
I yeah, I mean, I believe from

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at least from the way they
described her role in the film.

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In this documentary.
They described her as a

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unwitting Pawn or yeah.
Thing, that’s what I wonder

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about the Quaker thing because
there was that thing for a long

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time where I don’t think it’s
still is this way, but for the

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longest time, the Secret Service
would almost exclusively higher

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Mormons.
Sure.

435
00:25:50,200 –> 00:25:53,600
As Mormons just had the right
level of discipline, at least

436
00:25:53,600 –> 00:25:56,300
some of them.
To handle a job like being a

437
00:25:56,300 –> 00:25:59,300
secret service agent, right?
And I wonder if there’s

438
00:25:59,300 –> 00:26:04,800
something in Quakers nature but
the fucking CIA has sussed out

439
00:26:04,900 –> 00:26:06,800
where they’re like we can get
these motherfuckers to do

440
00:26:07,300 –> 00:26:12,500
anything we want.
Yeah, which mean it is possible.

441
00:26:12,800 –> 00:26:17,100
I guess like they’re miles would
just be that they’re, you know,

442
00:26:17,700 –> 00:26:21,700
pacifists.
They’re like they’ve got all of

443
00:26:21,900 –> 00:26:28,100
like a Philosophically trusting
nature like, oh, yeah, that

444
00:26:28,100 –> 00:26:32,000
could be the thing, like, you
know, and that’s it, you know,

445
00:26:32,000 –> 00:26:36,900
and that’s I guess a possibility
but yeah, I, I don’t know.

446
00:26:36,900 –> 00:26:39,300
Is it weird that Michael Payne
and Ruth Payne ended up in the

447
00:26:39,300 –> 00:26:42,400
same?
Senior Living facility, 40 years

448
00:26:42,400 –> 00:26:45,900
after their divorce?
I like, didn’t really strike

449
00:26:45,900 –> 00:26:47,500
again.
I mean, whatever people are

450
00:26:47,500 –> 00:26:50,900
going to think I’m some fucking
government Patsy or whatever,

451
00:26:51,100 –> 00:26:53,800
because I didn’t like it,
because I keep saying it really

452
00:26:53,800 –> 00:26:57,000
strikes.
Be as that’s is fishes it but it

453
00:26:57,000 –> 00:26:59,700
didn’t really I didn’t really
strike me as that suspicious.

454
00:26:59,700 –> 00:27:03,200
They’re all people they live at
the symbol Tau and like, you

455
00:27:03,200 –> 00:27:06,900
know, they’re in Northern cat
like they’re in the Sonoma area.

456
00:27:06,900 –> 00:27:09,800
It’s not that small, but also,
it’s like noun.

457
00:27:10,100 –> 00:27:13,400
It’s not like snake just because
they stopped being married that

458
00:27:13,400 –> 00:27:15,800
they stop being in each other’s
lives.

459
00:27:15,800 –> 00:27:18,800
They had children together like,
okay.

460
00:27:19,000 –> 00:27:21,800
I’m just saying, like it just
didn’t jump out at me is

461
00:27:21,800 –> 00:27:24,000
immediately suspicious, but I
didn’t go.

462
00:27:24,100 –> 00:27:27,400
Go into this movie as like,
especially like some of the

463
00:27:27,408 –> 00:27:31,300
people maybe who are cited in
the documentary might, like,

464
00:27:31,300 –> 00:27:37,700
looking for her lying and like,
looking for weird, like things

465
00:27:37,700 –> 00:27:41,100
like that, I didn’t really know.
That’s where it was gonna go, as

466
00:27:41,100 –> 00:27:44,100
I was watching, but yeah, I
guess I didn’t.

467
00:27:44,300 –> 00:27:47,300
I also didn’t go in though,
like, immediately having a

468
00:27:47,300 –> 00:27:49,800
reason to trust her?
No, me neither.

469
00:27:49,800 –> 00:27:51,600
I just kind of liked it.
I just like your Vibe.

470
00:27:51,600 –> 00:27:54,000
She had like a, she’s kind of a
brassy lady.

471
00:27:54,800 –> 00:27:57,800
Yeah.
I was just immediately won over

472
00:27:57,800 –> 00:28:01,100
by her and early interviews and
I didn’t realize that I was

473
00:28:01,100 –> 00:28:09,200
supposed to be skeptical.
The documentary does point out,

474
00:28:09,200 –> 00:28:13,000
that Ruth and Michael Payne were
never shown to have direct

475
00:28:13,000 –> 00:28:16,000
connections to the CIA.
But also that’s a really hard

476
00:28:16,000 –> 00:28:19,400
thing to prove.
Like, the whole point of the CIA

477
00:28:19,400 –> 00:28:22,300
is you’re not supposed to be
able to identify.

478
00:28:22,300 –> 00:28:24,600
Yeah, that’s their connections
to people.

479
00:28:25,100 –> 00:28:28,400
That’s not, I mean obviously,
that’s not reason enough on its

480
00:28:28,400 –> 00:28:32,800
own to dismiss, right?
And I don’t think everyone who

481
00:28:32,800 –> 00:28:37,400
works for the CIA knows they
work for CIA and I don’t think

482
00:28:37,400 –> 00:28:40,100
everyone who works for the CIA
necessarily.

483
00:28:40,100 –> 00:28:45,300
Does it willingly, right?
At least if you read the CIA and

484
00:28:45,300 –> 00:28:49,500
the cult of intelligence which
is a book, I’ve done some solo

485
00:28:49,500 –> 00:28:52,600
episodes about came out in the
70s, it’s pretty hard to find.

486
00:28:52,600 –> 00:28:56,400
Now, it’s out of print, but it
was a CIA whistleblower, just

487
00:28:56,400 –> 00:29:01,600
going the whole nine yards,
explaining exactly how the CIA

488
00:29:01,600 –> 00:29:05,500
worked and it was a very common
thing for them to go to someone

489
00:29:05,600 –> 00:29:07,600
And be like, well, here’s what
we need help with.

490
00:29:07,700 –> 00:29:10,500
Here’s what you’re going to be
in trouble for if you don’t help

491
00:29:10,500 –> 00:29:13,500
us like the FBI.
Does that like law enforcement?

492
00:29:13,500 –> 00:29:15,500
Does that all the time?
They’ll hand something over

493
00:29:15,500 –> 00:29:18,600
someone’s head and be like,
well, you have to cooperate with

494
00:29:18,600 –> 00:29:20,800
us in this and that will go
away.

495
00:29:21,000 –> 00:29:24,200
Hmm.
So yeah, they don’t definitively

496
00:29:24,200 –> 00:29:29,200
prove that Ruth Payne, and
Michael Payne are in the CIA,

497
00:29:29,200 –> 00:29:34,800
but man, they have some sus
connections to the CIA base for

498
00:29:34,800 –> 00:29:37,300
sure.
I mean, the the weirdest

499
00:29:37,300 –> 00:29:40,100
connection was just that he was
a Forbes.

500
00:29:40,300 –> 00:29:41,600
Yeah.
Michael paint.

501
00:29:41,800 –> 00:29:47,400
That’s creepier to be than any
possible connection to the CIA.

502
00:29:47,900 –> 00:29:50,000
Yeah.
Well that and it just seemed

503
00:29:50,000 –> 00:29:53,800
like they were like really rich
white like people from the

504
00:29:53,800 –> 00:29:56,400
Northeast to then like move to
the South, I don’t know.

505
00:29:56,600 –> 00:30:02,500
But it also to me speaks to him
being someone who because Ruth

506
00:30:02,500 –> 00:30:05,100
she was like, well there’s more
than one kind of Forbes.

507
00:30:06,200 –> 00:30:09,200
No.
There’s not like yeah.

508
00:30:09,200 –> 00:30:11,200
Like I got what she was saying
roulette.

509
00:30:11,200 –> 00:30:14,500
But like at the same time I was
like but there’s still like they

510
00:30:14,500 –> 00:30:17,000
have an island.
Yeah, you know.

511
00:30:17,000 –> 00:30:20,700
So like you got to take into
account how bored rich people

512
00:30:20,700 –> 00:30:22,100
must be.
Yeah.

513
00:30:22,300 –> 00:30:25,300
Like when I did the Behold a
Pale Horse episode, one of the

514
00:30:25,400 –> 00:30:29,300
early people who intervenes in
Bill Cooper’s, life is a guy

515
00:30:29,300 –> 00:30:33,700
named John Lear, who is the son
of the guy who invented the

516
00:30:33,700 –> 00:30:38,600
Learjet and Something else.
He and that like something

517
00:30:38,600 –> 00:30:40,700
bigger than that, that he also
invented.

518
00:30:40,700 –> 00:30:44,200
I don’t remember exactly what.
But this kid was rich and liked

519
00:30:44,200 –> 00:30:47,800
flying.
So he flew for the CIA, but he

520
00:30:47,800 –> 00:30:51,200
also just happened to show up in
the life of this conspiracy

521
00:30:51,200 –> 00:30:54,500
theorist, and slide him
information, that turned out to

522
00:30:54,500 –> 00:30:59,100
be mostly fake because John Lear
was bored and Rich and so he

523
00:30:59,100 –> 00:31:03,100
worked for the CIA and because
it let him pursue his fucking

524
00:31:03,100 –> 00:31:05,900
passions.
But in a way that you You know,

525
00:31:05,900 –> 00:31:08,600
he could still be a quasi
criminal and be exciting about

526
00:31:08,600 –> 00:31:13,400
it and someone with that kind of
money, like them in the CIA have

527
00:31:13,400 –> 00:31:17,300
the same basic interest which is
American business interests and

528
00:31:17,400 –> 00:31:19,800
keeping them going.
Like, I think that would be the

529
00:31:19,800 –> 00:31:23,500
perfect kind of person to
collaborate with the CIA, right

530
00:31:23,500 –> 00:31:29,500
on any number of things but I
don’t know like Ruth dad worked

531
00:31:29,500 –> 00:31:33,300
for us Aid, which doesn’t
automatically mean you’re in the

532
00:31:33,300 –> 00:31:39,600
CIA, but I mean, if you look in
the US Aid there that group that

533
00:31:39,600 –> 00:31:42,400
goes into countries and goes,
hey, you want to topple, your

534
00:31:42,400 –> 00:31:44,000
government will show you how to
do it.

535
00:31:44,000 –> 00:31:47,300
Like, it might not be with
weapons, it might be through

536
00:31:47,300 –> 00:31:52,400
military means, but they spread
democracy is what USA does.

537
00:31:52,400 –> 00:31:56,800
They are heavily involved in
Venezuela and what has been

538
00:31:57,000 –> 00:32:00,700
going on in Venezuela, over the
past 10 to 20 years, but her

539
00:32:00,700 –> 00:32:04,300
sister seems like she, for sure,
worked for the CIA that does

540
00:32:04,300 –> 00:32:05,400
seem to be.
I mean, yeah.

541
00:32:05,600 –> 00:32:08,800
Now there’s a kind of a paper
trail for as a psychologist

542
00:32:08,800 –> 00:32:12,600
during the MKUltra years which I
don’t like the sounds of that

543
00:32:12,800 –> 00:32:16,600
one bit.
I mean totally I yeah don’t work

544
00:32:16,600 –> 00:32:20,200
for the CIA folks because yeah,
Ruth was even like well I think

545
00:32:20,200 –> 00:32:23,800
she was just doing psychological
evaluations or something like

546
00:32:23,800 –> 00:32:25,900
that and it’s like that’s the
worst thing.

547
00:32:26,100 –> 00:32:29,700
That’s the last thing that we
know about at least like she was

548
00:32:29,700 –> 00:32:32,400
the worst kind of CIA if that’s
what she was doing.

549
00:32:32,500 –> 00:32:34,600
Really.
Yeah, so yeah, they don’t prove

550
00:32:34,600 –> 00:32:36,900
directly that roof.
I worked for the CIA, but she

551
00:32:36,900 –> 00:32:40,900
was super duper CIA adjacent
also that Island.

552
00:32:40,900 –> 00:32:44,100
We didn’t even bring that up.
I like the truth is so

553
00:32:44,100 –> 00:32:46,800
dismissive.
When she’s like, oh I think my

554
00:32:46,800 –> 00:32:50,700
brother-in-law was the director
of the CIA or something like

555
00:32:50,700 –> 00:32:55,100
that.
And it’s like, yes he was and he

556
00:32:55,100 –> 00:32:57,000
also headed up the Warren
Commission.

557
00:32:57,800 –> 00:33:01,700
It’s it’s not nothing like the
connections between her and the

558
00:33:01,700 –> 00:33:05,300
CIA aren’t nothing, and even if
she wasn’t directly involved,

559
00:33:05,300 –> 00:33:10,000
she Seems like given the choice,
she’s gonna side with the CIA

560
00:33:10,400 –> 00:33:14,100
matters like this, but I don’t
know, I don’t know.

561
00:33:14,100 –> 00:33:18,000
Either vinsol, Andrea is the guy
they talked to at the end he’s a

562
00:33:18,000 –> 00:33:22,800
JFK researcher or near the end
and he’s the one who points out

563
00:33:22,800 –> 00:33:25,800
that if you do think this is a
conspiracy theory, it doesn’t

564
00:33:25,800 –> 00:33:29,500
work without Ruth because Reef
like I already mentioned drives

565
00:33:29,500 –> 00:33:32,900
the gun and Marina and all of
their belongings from New

566
00:33:32,900 –> 00:33:36,700
Orleans to Dallas.
Even when they ask about that,

567
00:33:36,700 –> 00:33:39,900
she’s like maybe the gun was in
the car.

568
00:33:41,700 –> 00:33:43,000
Yes, he said.
It’s like that.

569
00:33:43,900 –> 00:33:58,100
Yes, she did and she also got
Lee Harvey Oswald job at The

570
00:33:58,100 –> 00:34:00,000
Book Depository.
Hmm.

571
00:34:00,000 –> 00:34:04,300
Which that is an integral part
of that assassination.

572
00:34:04,300 –> 00:34:06,700
Sure.
Obviously, So, like, if she

573
00:34:06,700 –> 00:34:09,500
doesn’t do those two things,
this doesn’t happen.

574
00:34:09,699 –> 00:34:11,900
Mmm.
I mean, it would like some other

575
00:34:12,000 –> 00:34:15,600
naive Quaker probably would have
driven, the family from New

576
00:34:15,600 –> 00:34:18,000
Orleans to Dallas that him a job
somewhere.

577
00:34:18,300 –> 00:34:19,900
Right?
Knows what did you think of

578
00:34:19,900 –> 00:34:21,900
George de mohrenschildt?
I remember him.

579
00:34:21,900 –> 00:34:26,900
Coming up, prominently in the
JFK movie, but, yeah, he’s named

580
00:34:26,900 –> 00:34:28,900
I remembered his name from, he’s
a name.

581
00:34:28,900 –> 00:34:32,900
My I also know from various
conspiracies.

582
00:34:32,900 –> 00:34:37,100
He’s also a character and the
Stephen King book 11 22 63.

583
00:34:37,100 –> 00:34:43,000
So it’s yes, shows pretty good
book and yeah, he seems like a

584
00:34:43,000 –> 00:34:46,600
creep.
Like, that’s kind of thought

585
00:34:46,600 –> 00:34:50,500
like what I get from him.
He prescribes like a creep and

586
00:34:50,500 –> 00:34:53,600
given his background.
Seems like someone who would not

587
00:34:53,600 –> 00:34:57,100
associate with Lee Harvey.
Oswald if Lee Harvey Oswald was

588
00:34:57,200 –> 00:35:01,800
Communist, that the government
was making him out to be right?

589
00:35:01,800 –> 00:35:04,500
But we’ll never know.
Because George de mohrenschildt,

590
00:35:04,600 –> 00:35:07,100
definitely.
Committed suicide and absolute.

591
00:35:07,100 –> 00:35:09,500
Not murdered by the CIA.
Yeah.

592
00:35:09,500 –> 00:35:11,200
No, he shot himself in the back
of the head.

593
00:35:11,400 –> 00:35:13,800
Yeah.
As one with a rifle as one does,

594
00:35:13,800 –> 00:35:15,300
yeah.
I just think it’d make an

595
00:35:15,300 –> 00:35:21,300
interesting case that maybe he
was watching the Oswald’s at one

596
00:35:21,300 –> 00:35:23,800
point and handed them off to the
pains.

597
00:35:24,100 –> 00:35:26,000
Mmm.
So the pains could watch the

598
00:35:26,000 –> 00:35:29,300
Oswald’s which again doesn’t
mean either of them knew what

599
00:35:29,300 –> 00:35:32,100
was going to happen next.
Yeah.

600
00:35:32,100 –> 00:35:35,100
It definitely seems like, I
mean, I don’t know about that

601
00:35:35,100 –> 00:35:39,100
part but It does seem like de
mohrenschildt, he was definitely

602
00:35:39,200 –> 00:35:42,400
seemed like he was kind of
trying to push Oswald towards.

603
00:35:42,800 –> 00:35:48,000
Yeah, Extreme Action.
I found the part where roof and

604
00:35:48,000 –> 00:35:52,100
one of the pro roof Talking
Heads mention that well, Lee

605
00:35:52,100 –> 00:35:55,000
Harvey Oswald.
The guy says, well, Lee Harvey

606
00:35:55,000 –> 00:35:57,700
Oswald, if he was still alive,
he’d be mad that people were

607
00:35:57,707 –> 00:36:00,600
taking the credit away from him,
like, he would have been proud

608
00:36:00,600 –> 00:36:03,300
of this, right?
And Ruth is like, well, he did

609
00:36:03,300 –> 00:36:06,400
this because he was a little man
and he wanted To feel like a big

610
00:36:06,400 –> 00:36:09,900
man and let the world know what
he did and then they cut to all

611
00:36:09,900 –> 00:36:12,400
of these interviews with Lee
Harvey Oswald after.

612
00:36:12,400 –> 00:36:15,800
And he’s like, no, I didn’t
shoot the president.

613
00:36:16,300 –> 00:36:19,800
I got core, I’m being set up, of
course I didn’t and it’s like

614
00:36:19,800 –> 00:36:24,100
sure where is all that bravado
and confidence that this guy is

615
00:36:24,100 –> 00:36:25,900
sure.
Lee Harvey Oswald would have

616
00:36:25,900 –> 00:36:30,600
now, like wouldn’t you in the
moments after also be like fuck?

617
00:36:30,600 –> 00:36:33,100
Yeah, shot JFK.
Did you see that shit?

618
00:36:33,100 –> 00:36:35,400
I hit him from a distance.
Yeah.

619
00:36:35,800 –> 00:36:39,000
Up their dog, unless you thought
you could get away with it.

620
00:36:39,000 –> 00:36:42,800
But then that still doesn’t
speak to the wanting to feel

621
00:36:42,800 –> 00:36:48,200
like a big man, the like know if
you killed somebody, if you like

622
00:36:48,200 –> 00:36:51,500
you might, if you’re that kind
of guy but it’s not like if you

623
00:36:51,500 –> 00:36:54,700
get away with it that means
history says you didn’t do it so

624
00:36:54,700 –> 00:36:57,800
like I don’t I think the wrong I
think they’re lying like there

625
00:36:57,800 –> 00:37:01,300
are people who come forward on
Lee Harvey Oswald’s behalf also

626
00:37:01,300 –> 00:37:05,300
who are like yeah no he wasn’t
wasn’t really like that.

627
00:37:05,500 –> 00:37:06,800
It.
All right.

628
00:37:06,800 –> 00:37:10,300
And I don’t know, I just, I
don’t know if the pair I trust

629
00:37:10,300 –> 00:37:15,100
like the writer who brings this
up is like, listen, I know Ruth

630
00:37:15,100 –> 00:37:18,600
is a good person because she’s a
Quaker, and I’m a Quaker.

631
00:37:18,700 –> 00:37:22,300
And I’m like, alright again,
everyone who’s siding with the

632
00:37:22,300 –> 00:37:26,400
CIA on?
This is Quakers, only the

633
00:37:26,400 –> 00:37:30,000
Quakers, believe Lee Harvey
Oswald acted alone, right?

634
00:37:30,000 –> 00:37:35,400
It is a fringe belief that we
should push to the outer.

635
00:37:35,500 –> 00:37:37,400
Just of the internet.
Never bring up again.

636
00:37:37,400 –> 00:37:39,900
Let’s only focus on the
conspiracy theories going

637
00:37:39,900 –> 00:37:44,000
forward?
Quakers, are dividing, America.

638
00:37:44,100 –> 00:37:45,700
Of course.
Yes, the Quakers.

639
00:37:45,700 –> 00:37:49,800
They’ve been a thorn in our side
for long enough, but they’re CIA

640
00:37:49,800 –> 00:37:52,800
advocacy there, CI, advocacy,
and them.

641
00:37:53,100 –> 00:37:55,300
Yeah, I don’t know.
I mean, like the thing that I

642
00:37:55,308 –> 00:38:00,400
took away from a lot of the
Oswald interviews that were in

643
00:38:00,400 –> 00:38:03,200
this documentary.
Was that Jeremy Strong should

644
00:38:03,200 –> 00:38:05,300
play Lee Harvey Oswald.
Yes.

645
00:38:05,800 –> 00:38:10,900
He would be really good at it.
He looks exactly like him.

646
00:38:11,200 –> 00:38:15,000
There should be like a gritty.
Reboot, like an Oswald

647
00:38:15,400 –> 00:38:18,200
franchise.
Yeah, we’re hearing him into the

648
00:38:18,200 –> 00:38:20,200
do a legacy sequel in the modern
day.

649
00:38:20,300 –> 00:38:23,400
Yeah, they bring him back to
life but the deal is he has to

650
00:38:23,400 –> 00:38:29,500
go back and assassinate
legitimately bad from the past.

651
00:38:29,700 –> 00:38:33,200
Yeah well yeah he actually
didn’t get killed when he was

652
00:38:33,200 –> 00:38:35,300
shot by Jack Ruby.
All right.

653
00:38:35,800 –> 00:38:40,900
He they kept him alive on Ice.
They gave him bionic Limbs, and

654
00:38:42,200 –> 00:38:44,400
they sent him to assassinate
people.

655
00:38:44,400 –> 00:38:48,000
Keep in Detroit, safe with his
fucking rifle.

656
00:38:49,700 –> 00:38:51,600
So, what did you think about the
woman?

657
00:38:51,600 –> 00:38:55,200
Who wrote the book about Marina
and Lee Harvey Oswald?

658
00:38:55,200 –> 00:38:58,100
She’s definitely working for the
CIA.

659
00:38:58,100 –> 00:39:00,500
That was the hurry.
That’s maybe another thing where

660
00:39:00,500 –> 00:39:05,100
like this lady comes on like a
like 30 or 40 minutes or so in

661
00:39:05,100 –> 00:39:08,200
they Start interviewing
Priscilla Johnson McMillan.

662
00:39:08,400 –> 00:39:13,800
Yeah, her name was and maybe
just contrasting her with Ruth

663
00:39:14,500 –> 00:39:19,000
and like she’s like so much of
her interview is accusing Ruth

664
00:39:19,000 –> 00:39:24,700
of being a CIA agent.
I’m like this lady 100% works

665
00:39:24,700 –> 00:39:27,600
for the CIA.
I buy that way more.

666
00:39:27,700 –> 00:39:31,300
Like they’re like, didn’t you
apply to work for the state

667
00:39:31,300 –> 00:39:34,600
department?
She’s like maybe I did, maybe I

668
00:39:34,600 –> 00:39:37,900
did it.
No, she applied to work right

669
00:39:37,900 –> 00:39:41,000
for the CIA, right?
Worked for the state department.

670
00:39:41,000 –> 00:39:42,900
I knew it was, I knew she worked
for what?

671
00:39:42,900 –> 00:39:45,200
Yeah, yeah, they might come on,
man.

672
00:39:45,300 –> 00:39:49,200
They confront her with that with
the evidence that she applied to

673
00:39:49,200 –> 00:39:53,600
work for the CIA and with a CIA
document that describes her as a

674
00:39:53,600 –> 00:39:55,800
waiting collaborator.
Yes.

675
00:39:55,800 –> 00:39:57,400
Yeah.
And she’s like, what a nun.

676
00:39:57,600 –> 00:39:58,500
Another.
He doesn’t.

677
00:39:58,500 –> 00:39:59,800
That mean that?
I didn’t know.

678
00:39:59,800 –> 00:40:02,400
Yeah, she did.
Yeah, and he’s like, no, it says

679
00:40:02,400 –> 00:40:07,500
witting and it also So there is
a quote in that report that

680
00:40:07,500 –> 00:40:09,800
says, I think we can get her to
write.

681
00:40:09,800 –> 00:40:12,500
Pretty much whatever are you
want.

682
00:40:12,700 –> 00:40:13,800
Yeah.
Yeah.

683
00:40:14,600 –> 00:40:18,200
I will say, I first of all, I
have never heard the phrase

684
00:40:18,200 –> 00:40:22,500
wedding being used that way.
Like I’ve only ever heard

685
00:40:22,600 –> 00:40:25,400
unwitting.
I think I have I mean I’m sure

686
00:40:25,400 –> 00:40:28,800
it must be because there’s
unwitting is the is like the

687
00:40:28,800 –> 00:40:32,000
more common phrase and it’s
clearly the unversed.

688
00:40:32,200 –> 00:40:34,600
I’ve just never it seems kind of
out of date.

689
00:40:35,500 –> 00:40:38,300
So, you know, from a document
from the 60s, so it makes sense.

690
00:40:38,300 –> 00:40:44,000
But this lady absolutely every
like just every CIA alarm in my

691
00:40:44,000 –> 00:40:46,400
body was going up with this
lady.

692
00:40:47,400 –> 00:40:49,800
Yeah.
There’s it comes up in the CIA

693
00:40:49,800 –> 00:40:53,700
in the cult of intelligence that
the CIA one of their, one of

694
00:40:53,700 –> 00:40:57,100
their things is whenever a
Defector gets back to this

695
00:40:57,100 –> 00:41:01,100
country, they immediately
intervene to try and be the ones

696
00:41:01,100 –> 00:41:05,000
who helped get that book
published because they want to

697
00:41:05,000 –> 00:41:09,700
have Some control over how the
story of this adversary Nation

698
00:41:09,900 –> 00:41:13,400
operates, and a lot of times,
those books are just straight-up

699
00:41:13,400 –> 00:41:18,500
propaganda and lies.
And there is a fascinating

700
00:41:18,500 –> 00:41:24,000
article from 1978 on Rolling
Stone.

701
00:41:24,100 –> 00:41:27,400
If you Google the CIA in the
media, there is an article by

702
00:41:27,400 –> 00:41:31,300
Carl Bernstein.
Mmm, the Watergate Affair, among

703
00:41:31,300 –> 00:41:35,600
other things about a CIA
operation called project Ma King

704
00:41:35,600 –> 00:41:36,700
bird.
Mmm.

705
00:41:36,900 –> 00:41:42,000
Which as the name implies was
the CIA going out to as many

706
00:41:42,200 –> 00:41:47,700
Publications and institutions as
they could and trying to recruit

707
00:41:47,700 –> 00:41:49,900
people within those
Publications.

708
00:41:49,900 –> 00:41:53,800
Who would write things that were
deferential to the CIA or would

709
00:41:53,800 –> 00:41:56,800
write things that they wanted
written.

710
00:41:56,800 –> 00:42:00,700
It’s one of the ways.
When we finally do the Gary Webb

711
00:42:00,700 –> 00:42:04,300
episodes that I’ve been teasing,
that’s one of the ways they put

712
00:42:04,300 –> 00:42:06,100
that story.
Down.

713
00:42:06,200 –> 00:42:07,800
Yeah.
Like they eventually released

714
00:42:07,800 –> 00:42:09,400
documents that just straight up
said.

715
00:42:09,400 –> 00:42:12,500
Well, we had relationships with
a lot of journalists, they got

716
00:42:12,500 –> 00:42:16,100
one major news Outlet to just
not cover it at all.

717
00:42:16,200 –> 00:42:19,500
Yeah, so there’s no reason to
think they’ve stopped doing it.

718
00:42:19,500 –> 00:42:23,300
But at this time, like, when
this happened, the CIA was very

719
00:42:23,300 –> 00:42:27,700
much trying to recruit writers
and journalists to tell stories

720
00:42:27,700 –> 00:42:30,100
the way they wanted them told.
So yeah, if you’ve read this

721
00:42:30,100 –> 00:42:34,200
book, I’m sorry.
But you were duped the CIA wrote

722
00:42:34,200 –> 00:42:35,300
this book.
Yeah.

723
00:42:35,600 –> 00:42:39,300
Yeah, and she just seems like
the kind of woman who’d be like,

724
00:42:39,300 –> 00:42:43,500
I just want to help like, yeah.
And it’s like, she seems like

725
00:42:43,500 –> 00:42:46,200
she’s too dumb to do anything
else.

726
00:42:46,200 –> 00:42:49,100
Like, that’s the thing, all of
the things that like, again,

727
00:42:49,100 –> 00:42:53,200
the, the random like weird
comments and stuff that they

728
00:42:53,200 –> 00:42:56,500
would show from like YouTube
videos of Ruth Paine all of

729
00:42:56,500 –> 00:42:58,800
like, the, the ways that they
would describe her, like,

730
00:42:58,800 –> 00:43:02,100
looking like she’s lying.
Like, that’s this lady.

731
00:43:02,100 –> 00:43:05,200
This, this is lady, that is what
I get from her.

732
00:43:05,300 –> 00:43:09,100
Her so hard.
So I don’t understand someone

733
00:43:09,100 –> 00:43:13,600
believing her and not believing
necessarily but you know, I

734
00:43:13,600 –> 00:43:14,200
don’t know.
Yeah.

735
00:43:14,500 –> 00:43:18,000
But she definitely seems like
she’s hiding.

736
00:43:18,000 –> 00:43:21,300
She’s just yeah, she does that
little while.

737
00:43:21,300 –> 00:43:24,800
I don’t know.
Well yeah, I know about that

738
00:43:25,700 –> 00:43:29,200
stuff about Ruth and Michael
Payne.

739
00:43:29,300 –> 00:43:34,300
Hanging out on Nashawn Island,
mmm with Allen Dulles the summer

740
00:43:34,300 –> 00:43:35,900
before the assassination.
Nation.

741
00:43:36,000 –> 00:43:40,100
Like, that’s not nothing, like
their Allen Dulles was the head

742
00:43:40,100 –> 00:43:44,700
of the CIA at the time, which is
one of the outfits, suspected of

743
00:43:44,800 –> 00:43:48,500
assassinating JFK.
He was one of the leads on the

744
00:43:48,500 –> 00:43:51,900
Warren Commission and Ruth,
Paine was one of the lead

745
00:43:51,900 –> 00:43:53,500
Witnesses on the Warren
Commission.

746
00:43:53,500 –> 00:43:58,000
She is interviewed, so much mmm
by the Warren Commission, like,

747
00:43:58,000 –> 00:44:01,000
that’s suspicious.
I mean, obviously there is some

748
00:44:01,000 –> 00:44:05,600
way that could be a coincidence,
but yeah, like, that’s That’s an

749
00:44:05,600 –> 00:44:08,200
uncomfortable connection between
Lee Harvey Oswald and Allen

750
00:44:08,200 –> 00:44:09,400
Dulles.
Yeah.

751
00:44:09,400 –> 00:44:13,000
If you ask me like that’s what
one degree of separation right,

752
00:44:13,000 –> 00:44:14,000
right?
Not enough.

753
00:44:14,100 –> 00:44:17,400
You could surveil Allen, Dulles
his phone with a one hop.

754
00:44:17,400 –> 00:44:20,200
Warrant has walled.
Yeah.

755
00:44:20,200 –> 00:44:22,300
Supposed to work.
And the thing about all these

756
00:44:22,300 –> 00:44:26,600
coincidences, I always bring
this up the True Crime crowd,

757
00:44:26,800 –> 00:44:29,100
right?
Like, you would never accept

758
00:44:29,100 –> 00:44:32,200
this many coincidences.
If this was a story about a

759
00:44:32,200 –> 00:44:36,100
husband whose wife was murdered
sure you’d be like, oh, Okay,

760
00:44:36,100 –> 00:44:38,500
you did it.
There’s no way they’d be that

761
00:44:38,500 –> 00:44:42,100
many coincidences, but here,
we’re supposed to be like, well,

762
00:44:42,100 –> 00:44:44,700
this is right when crackpot
conspiracy theory stuff.

763
00:44:44,700 –> 00:44:47,400
So these are all coincidences
and right?

764
00:44:47,500 –> 00:44:49,300
Yeah, I don’t know, I don’t know
about that.

765
00:44:49,300 –> 00:44:52,100
I think they do bring up an
interesting point about that

766
00:44:52,100 –> 00:44:56,000
too, which is the common
dismissal of these theories.

767
00:44:56,100 –> 00:44:59,600
At least one of them is always.
Well, these are just like losers

768
00:44:59,600 –> 00:45:02,800
right now on the internet in
their mom’s basement with

769
00:45:02,800 –> 00:45:04,700
nothing better to do.
Yeah.

770
00:45:04,800 –> 00:45:07,300
And it’s like All right.
Well, the people who want you to

771
00:45:07,308 –> 00:45:09,000
believe.
The Warren Commission is true,

772
00:45:09,000 –> 00:45:13,300
are all a bunch of right-wing
fucking warhawks.

773
00:45:13,300 –> 00:45:17,000
Yeah, I’m supposed to trust them
as being honest.

774
00:45:17,000 –> 00:45:21,300
In this case, like they are the
ones who had the motive to kill

775
00:45:21,300 –> 00:45:24,500
JFK, like, sure.
If he was like, they do make a

776
00:45:24,500 –> 00:45:27,400
great point when he was
assassinated 0 troops in

777
00:45:27,400 –> 00:45:33,500
Vietnam, right?
67 500,000 troops in Vietnam and

778
00:45:33,700 –> 00:45:37,400
it comes up in the That he won.
If he got re-elected was

779
00:45:37,400 –> 00:45:40,500
planning to pull out of Vietnam.
Hmm.

780
00:45:40,800 –> 00:45:45,700
And to had mentioned hey I think
the military might overthrow me.

781
00:45:46,400 –> 00:45:49,200
I don’t know how much longer I
can carry on without the

782
00:45:49,200 –> 00:45:51,500
military just overthrowing me.
Yeah.

783
00:45:51,600 –> 00:45:55,000
So it seems possible that they
might have maybe, I don’t know

784
00:45:55,200 –> 00:45:57,500
but did they do?
I mean like I feel like if

785
00:45:57,500 –> 00:46:02,200
you’re taking a tour of the of
the pain house in 2020, your

786
00:46:02,200 –> 00:46:07,200
kind of loser Yeah, I thought
that was strange.

787
00:46:07,300 –> 00:46:09,900
There were, there were lots of
people that British.

788
00:46:09,900 –> 00:46:13,500
There are two British people who
both were not giving the

789
00:46:13,500 –> 00:46:17,000
conspiracy side.
The best look, I would say.

790
00:46:17,200 –> 00:46:18,000
Yeah.
Yeah.

791
00:46:18,000 –> 00:46:22,200
That’s true.
The, I also thought the thing

792
00:46:22,200 –> 00:46:25,100
where Michael Payne, worked for
Bell Helicopter, like a major

793
00:46:25,100 –> 00:46:28,200
military, yeah.
Supplier, that would have stood

794
00:46:28,200 –> 00:46:32,600
to gain from us launching.
A whole bunch of wars in the

795
00:46:32,600 –> 00:46:36,500
future was interesting.
I Look like, at the end, they

796
00:46:36,500 –> 00:46:41,200
do, build a decent case.
That Ruth Paine was like more

797
00:46:41,200 –> 00:46:44,000
involved than she wants to let
on.

798
00:46:44,000 –> 00:46:46,200
I found all of the stuff about
her.

799
00:46:46,200 –> 00:46:50,700
Like, finding these letters that
were allegedly from Lee Harvey

800
00:46:50,700 –> 00:46:55,600
Oswald after the fact, like,
there’s a Soviet Embassy letter

801
00:46:55,700 –> 00:46:58,100
where she was.
I think it was, she was

802
00:46:58,100 –> 00:47:02,000
returning a book to Marina
Oswald.

803
00:47:02,000 –> 00:47:04,800
And for one thing in the
interview Ruth is like, well,

804
00:47:04,800 –> 00:47:08,800
you know, Oh how when you take a
book back to someone you open it

805
00:47:08,800 –> 00:47:11,100
and flip through the pages to
make sure there’s nothing in

806
00:47:11,100 –> 00:47:12,800
between them.
No I don’t.

807
00:47:12,800 –> 00:47:14,400
I don’t know.
I don’t know that.

808
00:47:14,400 –> 00:47:18,100
I don’t think I have ever done
that in my entire life.

809
00:47:18,100 –> 00:47:21,300
Yeah.
But she apparently it is common

810
00:47:21,300 –> 00:47:24,700
practice for her.
And this one time as if by Magic

811
00:47:24,800 –> 00:47:32,500
this letter from Lee Harvey
Oswald to the KGB, alleged trip

812
00:47:32,700 –> 00:47:36,400
to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico.
Pops out.

813
00:47:36,400 –> 00:47:40,300
Yeah, and this becomes huge
evidence in the Warren

814
00:47:40,300 –> 00:47:45,500
Commission trials, but this is
also the subject of that phone

815
00:47:45,500 –> 00:47:49,900
call between lb J and J Edgar
Hoover that somehow the audio

816
00:47:49,900 –> 00:47:53,300
disappeared but we still have a
transcript of it right in

817
00:47:53,300 –> 00:47:55,600
j.edgar Hoover.
Just straight up says what we

818
00:47:55,600 –> 00:47:59,100
looked into that and we have
video and pictures of the person

819
00:47:59,100 –> 00:48:03,500
at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico.
It is not Lee Harvey Oswald.

820
00:48:03,600 –> 00:48:06,000
Yeah.
Not the same person which Where

821
00:48:06,000 –> 00:48:09,100
did that letter come from?
If that was not Lee Harvey

822
00:48:09,100 –> 00:48:12,100
Oswald at that Embassy, right?
Who wrote The Letter?

823
00:48:12,100 –> 00:48:14,900
Why did they write it?
And how the fuck did Ruth Paine?

824
00:48:14,900 –> 00:48:19,300
Get her paws on it?
It’s one of two suspicious notes

825
00:48:19,300 –> 00:48:23,900
that Ruth Paine comes up with
after the fact that end up

826
00:48:23,900 –> 00:48:27,200
supporting the government’s.
The yeah, which I don’t like

827
00:48:27,207 –> 00:48:28,900
that.
I don’t like the phone call

828
00:48:28,900 –> 00:48:33,700
after the assassination, which
she says, it didn’t happen, but

829
00:48:33,700 –> 00:48:35,100
her phone calls were being
monitored.

830
00:48:35,300 –> 00:48:36,700
Third witch.
Why why?

831
00:48:36,900 –> 00:48:39,700
Why was it government monitoring
her phone calls before Lee

832
00:48:39,700 –> 00:48:43,800
Harvey Oswald did this but
Michael calls her from work and

833
00:48:43,800 –> 00:48:48,100
is like, yo, I think Lee Harvey
Oswald my just killed President

834
00:48:48,200 –> 00:48:53,300
and this was an hour before they
had announced that Lee Harvey

835
00:48:53,300 –> 00:48:56,000
Oswald was the killer.
Mmm.

836
00:48:56,000 –> 00:48:59,900
And he says, in this phone call
that he thinks Lee Harvey Oswald

837
00:48:59,900 –> 00:49:03,200
did it, but he doesn’t think Lee
Harvey Oswald was responsible,

838
00:49:03,200 –> 00:49:04,700
right?
And then he says, you know, who

839
00:49:04,700 –> 00:49:07,500
was responsible.
Isabel mmm, which fuck’s up with

840
00:49:07,500 –> 00:49:08,500
that?
That’s weird.

841
00:49:08,700 –> 00:49:14,300
Yeah I wish it is and the thing
is like Ruth is there to be

842
00:49:14,300 –> 00:49:17,300
asked about all this?
And she just laughs she laughs

843
00:49:17,300 –> 00:49:21,200
at every single question and
it’s like lady, this isn’t that

844
00:49:21,200 –> 00:49:26,300
funny like, people are showing.
You decent evidence that you

845
00:49:26,300 –> 00:49:30,800
were more involved than just
happening to live in this house

846
00:49:30,800 –> 00:49:32,900
with Marina and Lee Harvey
Oswald.

847
00:49:32,900 –> 00:49:36,300
And at every step her only
response is has to laugh.

848
00:49:36,500 –> 00:49:41,800
Yeah, she seems nervous like she
seems like she’s never really

849
00:49:41,800 –> 00:49:44,500
been question.
I don’t think she was expecting

850
00:49:44,500 –> 00:49:49,600
these questions.
I guess at the end when he was

851
00:49:49,600 –> 00:49:53,300
getting more pointed.
That’s when I saw her be more

852
00:49:53,400 –> 00:49:57,200
angry or nervous or whatever,
but I definitely didn’t get the

853
00:49:57,200 –> 00:50:00,000
sense that she had never been
asked these questions before.

854
00:50:00,000 –> 00:50:03,900
It seemed like if anything, she
had been asked them a bunch of

855
00:50:03,900 –> 00:50:08,700
times and had Answers ready?
Well, she does say it one point

856
00:50:08,700 –> 00:50:12,300
that the conspiracy theorist
never come ask her questions

857
00:50:12,700 –> 00:50:16,400
like well yeah, but I’m talking
about like, you know, we see

858
00:50:16,400 –> 00:50:21,400
multiple TV interviews and these
things over the years where

859
00:50:21,400 –> 00:50:25,200
she’s at being asked the same
questions and responding with

860
00:50:25,200 –> 00:50:28,200
very like almost the exact same
responses.

861
00:50:28,200 –> 00:50:31,900
So oh so the letter I’m wrong
the letter.

862
00:50:32,200 –> 00:50:37,300
She found Ruth Payne says She
walked past Lee Harvey, Oswald

863
00:50:37,300 –> 00:50:39,900
typing a letter.
And that when she walked past,

864
00:50:39,900 –> 00:50:42,900
he hunched over it to make sure
she couldn’t see it.

865
00:50:43,000 –> 00:50:45,400
Yeah.
But then she also says he left

866
00:50:45,400 –> 00:50:50,000
that letter on her nightstand.
What why why would he do that?

867
00:50:50,000 –> 00:50:53,200
And it turns out that was the
Mexican embassy letter or the

868
00:50:53,200 –> 00:50:57,800
Soviet Embassy in Mexico led the
book one was the General.

869
00:50:58,000 –> 00:51:04,000
The about the John is a note
that Lee Harvey Oswald is

870
00:51:04,000 –> 00:51:10,900
alleged to have To his wife
saying that he shot at this

871
00:51:10,900 –> 00:51:15,900
General guy named General Edwin
Walker in Dallas, a few weeks

872
00:51:15,900 –> 00:51:22,100
before the JFK shooting and this
is the note that she walks this

873
00:51:22,100 –> 00:51:26,000
book back to Marina and goes.
Well, let’s do the standard

874
00:51:26,000 –> 00:51:30,100
thing now and make sure there’s
no money in here, and this note

875
00:51:30,100 –> 00:51:33,000
conveniently pops out.
One guy claims the Secret

876
00:51:33,000 –> 00:51:34,600
Service.
Tried to give it back to her.

877
00:51:35,300 –> 00:51:40,300
And said it was hers and claimed
it was a forgery like so much of

878
00:51:40,300 –> 00:51:43,000
the incriminating evidence
against Lee Harvey.

879
00:51:43,000 –> 00:51:46,100
Oswald comes from roof pain?
Mmm.

880
00:51:46,100 –> 00:51:49,000
And I mean, some of that could
have to do with him living

881
00:51:49,000 –> 00:51:53,500
there, but also he lived there
for, I think she says five weeks

882
00:51:53,600 –> 00:51:57,300
and was mostly there on the
weekends like it doesn’t add up

883
00:51:57,300 –> 00:51:59,900
like it’s like there had to be
people that knew Lee Harvey

884
00:51:59,900 –> 00:52:04,100
Oswald better than this.
Maybe I don’t know though like

885
00:52:04,100 –> 00:52:07,100
you know, if your Guy.
I don’t know.

886
00:52:07,200 –> 00:52:10,300
I don’t like the detail.
Here’s this is another reason

887
00:52:10,300 –> 00:52:14,100
the CIA might Target Quakers.
Is apparently the Quakers at

888
00:52:14,100 –> 00:52:18,400
least at the time had a cultural
Exchange program with Russia so

889
00:52:18,400 –> 00:52:23,100
Ruth Payne would travel to
Russia a lot as a teen and we

890
00:52:23,100 –> 00:52:25,600
know that’s a thing, the CIA
does, they will?

891
00:52:25,900 –> 00:52:28,800
If you’re traveling to another
country where they want

892
00:52:28,800 –> 00:52:31,000
information?
A lot of times, they will

893
00:52:31,300 –> 00:52:34,700
intervene and be like hey how
about you look around for us?

894
00:52:35,000 –> 00:52:37,900
Why Oh, you’re here.
So that seems like an obvious

895
00:52:37,900 –> 00:52:41,400
place where she could have made.
CIA connections.

896
00:52:41,600 –> 00:52:43,000
What did you think of suh-weet
n’?

897
00:52:43,100 –> 00:52:45,800
Yeah, this is interesting.
I don’t know, I don’t know what

898
00:52:45,800 –> 00:52:47,500
I thought of her.
She’s not in it.

899
00:52:47,500 –> 00:52:51,400
Enough for me to have like a
clear idea of her as a person.

900
00:52:51,700 –> 00:52:56,900
Sue Wheaton is a peace activist
who was working with the

901
00:52:56,900 –> 00:53:03,300
sandinistas in the 1980s.
She was at this meeting for the

902
00:53:03,308 –> 00:53:08,300
sandinistas and Ruth.
In of all people shows up with a

903
00:53:08,300 –> 00:53:10,600
photographer.
Hmm.

904
00:53:10,600 –> 00:53:15,800
Which I think again, could maybe
speak to that thing where she’s

905
00:53:15,800 –> 00:53:20,700
alleged to have been spying on
leftists, mmm, because it does

906
00:53:20,700 –> 00:53:23,500
seem very strange.
That Ruth Paine, showed up at a

907
00:53:23,508 –> 00:53:27,600
sandanista meeting with a
photographer in Nicaragua, in

908
00:53:27,600 –> 00:53:29,700
the 80s.
And this woman was like, wait,

909
00:53:29,800 –> 00:53:32,500
wait, Ruth Paine who knew Lee
Harvey Oswald.

910
00:53:33,300 –> 00:53:35,100
And that was the part where I
was like this.

911
00:53:35,200 –> 00:53:37,200
Though, how did this lady
though?

912
00:53:37,200 –> 00:53:41,200
Know what Ruth Paine look like?
It’s not like she was like the

913
00:53:41,200 –> 00:53:43,700
most well-known figure from the
well.

914
00:53:43,700 –> 00:53:46,500
But Ruth, Paine introduced
herself as Ruth Paine.

915
00:53:46,500 –> 00:53:50,000
Right?
But regardless just the name.

916
00:53:50,300 –> 00:53:52,600
Yeah.
But like if you like even in the

917
00:53:52,600 –> 00:53:56,100
documentary Ruth Paine was a
very visible figure after the

918
00:53:56,100 –> 00:53:59,800
assassination like they had her
a bunch, she’s big witness in

919
00:54:00,100 –> 00:54:03,500
the Warren Commission.
So it would have probably

920
00:54:03,500 –> 00:54:07,800
crossed This Woman’s desk.
At some point Ruth Paine might

921
00:54:07,800 –> 00:54:10,700
have been some sort of
government plant, sure.

922
00:54:10,700 –> 00:54:15,000
Then imagine having that in the
back of your mind and then Ruth

923
00:54:15,000 –> 00:54:18,200
Paine shows up to your
saint-denis the meeting in

924
00:54:18,200 –> 00:54:22,900
Nicaragua hog refer.
Of course she was like, get the

925
00:54:22,900 –> 00:54:27,500
fuck out of here.
You’re seeing ye so yeah.

926
00:54:27,700 –> 00:54:29,600
That was weird.
Yeah.

927
00:54:29,800 –> 00:54:32,700
The other thing about her spying
on leftist that I found

928
00:54:32,700 –> 00:54:35,100
interesting was all the stuff
about the files.

929
00:54:35,200 –> 00:54:39,400
It’s where they are alleged to
have removed a bunch of file

930
00:54:39,400 –> 00:54:41,400
cabinets, from Ruth Ann Haynes
home.

931
00:54:41,500 –> 00:54:46,300
That conspiracy theorists claim
is evidence of her spying on

932
00:54:46,300 –> 00:54:49,300
leftists, and that’s why Lee
Harvey Oswald was in her home.

933
00:54:49,700 –> 00:54:52,800
Ci8 asked her with keeping an
eye on leftists.

934
00:54:52,900 –> 00:54:58,800
She says that is Fiddlesticks or
whatever word she used, but also

935
00:54:59,100 –> 00:55:04,000
all of her testimony about those
file cabinets and the contents

936
00:55:04,000 –> 00:55:07,600
of the file cabinets.
Cells were taken off the Record

937
00:55:07,600 –> 00:55:11,100
right in the Warren Commission.
They did that because there was

938
00:55:11,100 –> 00:55:12,800
nothing in them.
Probably not there.

939
00:55:13,800 –> 00:55:17,600
Yeah, no, she definitely did it.
Yeah, so seems like a good hang.

940
00:55:17,600 –> 00:55:19,900
Yeah.
I mean, again, I bet lots of see

941
00:55:19,900 –> 00:55:22,200
at that.
Yeah, You Gotta Be, You better.

942
00:55:24,100 –> 00:55:26,300
It’s like hosting a TV show.
Kind of, you gotta have some.

943
00:55:26,300 –> 00:55:30,600
Yeah, some Panache.
But yeah, I don’t know the rest

944
00:55:30,600 –> 00:55:31,800
of the stuff I have in the
notes.

945
00:55:31,800 –> 00:55:35,100
We already talked about, it’s
mostly the waiting.

946
00:55:35,200 –> 00:55:37,800
Later thing that is a fun scene.
That’s the thing.

947
00:55:37,800 –> 00:55:40,200
Yeah, it says unwitting
collaborator.

948
00:55:40,300 –> 00:55:45,200
No ma’am, no waiting.
Yeah, that’s the thing.

949
00:55:45,300 –> 00:55:51,100
Like I don’t know about Ruth, I
don’t know maybe I’m blinded by

950
00:55:51,200 –> 00:55:55,300
my love for brassy Dame’s but
Priscilla Johnson McMillan

951
00:55:55,400 –> 00:56:00,800
definitely and you know she’s
there saying the roof is a CIA

952
00:56:00,800 –> 00:56:06,700
agent and she’s very much
obviously a Sort of Agents of

953
00:56:06,700 –> 00:56:10,200
some kind so yeah I don’t know.
That’s not nothing either like

954
00:56:10,200 –> 00:56:12,500
that kind of feels like
someone’s push it.

955
00:56:12,500 –> 00:56:17,100
Yeah, I don’t know why the CIA
would accuse Ruth of being CIA.

956
00:56:17,200 –> 00:56:20,300
I don’t know that that helps
them any, I don’t know either.

957
00:56:20,400 –> 00:56:22,300
Yeah, it’s an interesting
documentary.

958
00:56:22,300 –> 00:56:24,400
I think people should watch it.
You have to rent it for right

959
00:56:24,400 –> 00:56:25,800
now.
I’m sure it’ll be on streaming

960
00:56:25,800 –> 00:56:30,900
and like six weeks and will be
on some like Amazon Channel, but

961
00:56:30,900 –> 00:56:33,300
it’s also cheap 299.
Hmm.

962
00:56:33,300 –> 00:56:36,300
Like it’s not like a in There’s
now rental.

963
00:56:36,300 –> 00:56:39,800
No, no.
So yeah, why would be ballsy?

964
00:56:39,900 –> 00:56:41,900
Yeah, it’s sure what I would
say.

965
00:56:42,100 –> 00:56:43,500
Yeah, it’s one of those
theories.

966
00:56:43,500 –> 00:56:46,900
Like it doesn’t matter anymore.
Well yeah, I mean I guess it

967
00:56:46,900 –> 00:56:51,100
could if somehow Ruth Paine was
charged with something after all

968
00:56:51,107 –> 00:56:52,900
these years but that’s not going
to fucking happen.

969
00:56:52,900 –> 00:56:54,600
That’s definitely not gonna
happen.

970
00:56:54,600 –> 00:57:00,000
Absolutely no way.
But also like again, like,

971
00:57:00,000 –> 00:57:02,100
there’s never going to know
we’re just, we’re not going to

972
00:57:02,100 –> 00:57:06,500
have a definitive story here.
It’s too.

973
00:57:06,500 –> 00:57:08,500
It’s too long.
It’s been too long.

974
00:57:08,700 –> 00:57:12,200
Yeah.
But I don’t know like, yeah, I

975
00:57:12,200 –> 00:57:15,400
don’t think it really, you know,
the I just don’t know that

976
00:57:15,400 –> 00:57:17,200
matters just been so many things
that have happened.

977
00:57:17,200 –> 00:57:23,000
In the meantime, we don’t know
for sure what like what’s future

978
00:57:23,000 –> 00:57:26,100
was stolen from us I guess.
And even then what are we going

979
00:57:26,100 –> 00:57:30,800
to do about it?
Yeah so yeah I don’t know, it’s

980
00:57:30,800 –> 00:57:34,600
weird thing you know a guy got
killed they show you the they

981
00:57:34,600 –> 00:57:37,700
showed the zoo Bruder film.
And that’s which I always bums

982
00:57:37,700 –> 00:57:39,800
me out to watch.
I hate watching this period or

983
00:57:39,800 –> 00:57:41,700
film.
It’s yeah.

984
00:57:41,800 –> 00:57:44,100
Yeah.
As you see Jackie like chasing

985
00:57:44,100 –> 00:57:47,900
after his brains on the back of
the car and it’s just like oh

986
00:57:47,900 –> 00:57:52,300
that’s very sad.
That’s just like on alike.

987
00:57:52,400 –> 00:57:54,400
Human level hits.
You kind of.

988
00:57:54,400 –> 00:57:56,200
It’s very Grim.
Yeah.

989
00:57:56,200 –> 00:57:59,100
It’s still.
Is it like a lot of the this

990
00:57:59,200 –> 00:58:02,400
historical footage that’s like
kind of Mythic it.

991
00:58:02,600 –> 00:58:06,900
It still has that power.
Yeah, say I feel the same way

992
00:58:06,900 –> 00:58:12,400
about like the Hindenburg
broadcasts like the yeah, you

993
00:58:12,400 –> 00:58:14,000
know, the broadcaster’s voice
on.

994
00:58:14,000 –> 00:58:19,500
That is so heartbreaking and
this that footage II don’t like

995
00:58:19,500 –> 00:58:21,200
it.
I don’t like what I like, the

996
00:58:21,600 –> 00:58:25,000
JFK got shot, I want to put be
on the record, I’m not a saint

997
00:58:25,200 –> 00:58:28,300
and I think that was bad either
one thing to take heart, when it

998
00:58:28,300 –> 00:58:30,800
comes to the Hindenburg, we
covered this when I worked for

999
00:58:30,808 –> 00:58:33,200
cracked.
It’s one of those tragedies

1000
00:58:33,200 –> 00:58:35,000
where way fewer people died than
you.

1001
00:58:35,100 –> 00:58:37,400
You would excuse us?
Yeah, because I think people

1002
00:58:37,400 –> 00:58:39,900
assume everyone on the
Hindenburg died but it was

1003
00:58:39,900 –> 00:58:43,300
falling so slow, right?
Like in those famous pictures,

1004
00:58:43,300 –> 00:58:46,700
if you are watching a high
enough quality version and look

1005
00:58:46,700 –> 00:58:49,200
at the bottom of the screen,
there’s people streaming out of

1006
00:58:49,200 –> 00:58:50,600
that fucking thing.
Yes, yes.

1007
00:58:50,600 –> 00:58:53,400
So like it’s not, it wasn’t.
I mean, it’s a huge tragedy.

1008
00:58:53,400 –> 00:58:57,400
Yes, I mean exactly.
Yeah, it wasn’t 911 Pearl

1009
00:58:57,400 –> 00:58:59,200
Harbor.
Oh no, it wasn’t like a Pearl

1010
00:58:59,200 –> 00:59:02,000
Harbor and I love it.
Yeah, I just, I’m just saying

1011
00:59:02,000 –> 00:59:06,700
like these things that we have
video like first hand Yo of and

1012
00:59:06,700 –> 00:59:11,200
yeah or audio and also in that
case like it’s just these you

1013
00:59:11,200 –> 00:59:13,800
know you’d think that they would
lose their power after a certain

1014
00:59:13,800 –> 00:59:17,200
amount of time and they kind of
haven’t like the Zapruder film

1015
00:59:17,300 –> 00:59:20,100
still.
It’s it’s like the first time

1016
00:59:20,100 –> 00:59:23,300
they mention my least favorite
attempt at scientifically

1017
00:59:23,300 –> 00:59:27,200
debunking, the Kennedy
assassination which is that his

1018
00:59:27,300 –> 00:59:30,500
head snaps in the opposite
direction that you would

1019
00:59:30,500 –> 00:59:32,800
intuitively think his it would
snap.

1020
00:59:32,800 –> 00:59:36,700
But that’s been like that’s
that’s how Ow like ejecta and

1021
00:59:36,700 –> 00:59:39,900
wound like that works.
It propels your head away from

1022
00:59:39,900 –> 00:59:43,900
the like towards the gunshots.
Oh yeah.

1023
00:59:44,000 –> 00:59:47,600
And it also kind of points to
the Secret Service Theory.

1024
00:59:47,600 –> 00:59:51,300
Yeah, because JFK is hit with
two bullets in his head response

1025
00:59:51,300 –> 00:59:54,500
to different ways, which isn’t
usually what bullets do.

1026
00:59:55,500 –> 00:59:58,000
But that’s a whole other
conspiracy.

1027
00:59:58,200 –> 01:00:01,200
Let’s yeah.
Like a one that I have an easier

1028
01:00:01,200 –> 01:00:04,400
time swallowing than a lot of
them.

1029
01:00:04,600 –> 01:00:06,700
Yeah.
Then a lot of yeah, I don’t have

1030
01:00:06,800 –> 01:00:10,700
a problem, swallowing this one,
like I know people work for the

1031
01:00:10,707 –> 01:00:18,700
CIA like Cheerios, but on our
next episode, as I promised, our

1032
01:00:18,700 –> 01:00:24,900
next free episode, we’re going
to be talking about Gary Webb.

1033
01:00:25,000 –> 01:00:30,400
Yeah, which that’s a, that is
someone who was never once

1034
01:00:30,400 –> 01:00:34,900
called a conspiracy theorist,
which is very interesting note,

1035
01:00:35,100 –> 01:00:39,100
When you look into the things,
he reported on, which is the CIA

1036
01:00:39,100 –> 01:00:43,000
selling crack is the United
States, and we’re going to talk

1037
01:00:43,000 –> 01:00:46,000
about that but we’re going to
focus a lot on the media

1038
01:00:46,000 –> 01:00:50,800
response to them which I think
is the bigger conspiracy theory

1039
01:00:50,900 –> 01:00:53,900
all these years later?
Like everyone fucking knows the

1040
01:00:53,900 –> 01:00:57,200
CIA helped traffic cocaine in
the United States.

1041
01:00:57,200 –> 01:01:00,300
That’s really like they’re
teaching that and kindergarten

1042
01:01:01,100 –> 01:01:02,800
textbooks.
Now they don’t have textbooks

1043
01:01:02,800 –> 01:01:05,000
and kindergarten, they don’t
know, but they are key.

1044
01:01:05,100 –> 01:01:07,000
Seeing it in kindergarten, just
not in the text.

1045
01:01:09,300 –> 01:01:12,900
Ya know that mean that is?
That’s a CIA conspiracy that I

1046
01:01:12,900 –> 01:01:18,200
have no problem believing.
But yeah, you know that they’ll

1047
01:01:18,200 –> 01:01:20,200
be as we might do to on that
one.

1048
01:01:20,300 –> 01:01:23,100
Yeah, I think we’ll do two,
might even might even slip in a

1049
01:01:23,100 –> 01:01:27,300
bonus episode where we cover the
Jeremy Renner film.

1050
01:01:27,400 –> 01:01:29,100
Kill the Messenger, which I got
ya.

1051
01:01:29,100 –> 01:01:31,100
Last night.
It’s good.

1052
01:01:31,200 –> 01:01:33,200
Sure.
It reminds me of that Elvis

1053
01:01:33,200 –> 01:01:36,600
movie in that.
There was just too much for them

1054
01:01:36,600 –> 01:01:40,000
to cover in the span of one
movie.

1055
01:01:40,100 –> 01:01:42,100
You have.
So it feels a bit like a

1056
01:01:42,107 –> 01:01:45,800
Wikipedia entry.
Now I’m just kind of imagining

1057
01:01:45,800 –> 01:01:49,300
though.
I know Iran-Contra movie

1058
01:01:49,300 –> 01:01:51,500
directed by baz luhrmann.
I would.

1059
01:01:51,500 –> 01:01:55,200
Yeah, I want that.
I might be kind of good

1060
01:01:55,500 –> 01:01:59,800
soundtrack for good, modern
sound and Duran Duran songs.

1061
01:02:00,200 –> 01:02:03,700
Oh hell, yeah, yeah.
Or I want I just want Elvis and

1062
01:02:03,700 –> 01:02:09,100
Iran-Contra Yeah and even some
movie star so yeah you’ve got

1063
01:02:09,100 –> 01:02:13,100
that to look forward to on our
next free episode this is a

1064
01:02:13,100 –> 01:02:18,700
bonus episode so I normally
wouldn’t have anything to plug

1065
01:02:18,700 –> 01:02:24,100
but this week on the on pops
patreon, the very first episode

1066
01:02:24,200 –> 01:02:30,300
of our lost re-watch podcast
finally long rumored only we had

1067
01:02:30,300 –> 01:02:34,800
to change the name but now it is
officially called going back.

1068
01:02:35,000 –> 01:02:37,900
Yes.
Well I’m sure in the episode, we

1069
01:02:37,900 –> 01:02:42,700
refer to it by a different time.
Holler the original name at the

1070
01:02:42,700 –> 01:02:44,800
top of my lungs.
Yeah, I thought so.

1071
01:02:45,000 –> 01:02:47,700
I thought that’s just going to
be beeped out and replaced with

1072
01:02:47,700 –> 01:02:51,700
a robot has grow it back, leave
it.

1073
01:02:52,100 –> 01:02:56,500
First episode of that will be,
that will be available on the on

1074
01:02:56,500 –> 01:03:00,200
pops, patreon for now.
And as a bonus episode on the

1075
01:03:00,200 –> 01:03:02,800
conspiracy pod, but once we’re
through with first season, we’re

1076
01:03:02,800 –> 01:03:06,400
going to start putting them out
for free, but You, you loving

1077
01:03:06,400 –> 01:03:09,800
princes and princesses.
Who subscribe?

1078
01:03:09,800 –> 01:03:12,100
You get it all early.
Whoo.

1079
01:03:12,300 –> 01:03:14,100
Oh, you’re so lucky.
It’s good.

1080
01:03:14,100 –> 01:03:15,900
And so it was fun.
I really enjoyed that.

1081
01:03:16,000 –> 01:03:18,700
I am looking forward to bingeing
that show.

1082
01:03:19,000 –> 01:03:22,500
Ya, lost rules.
It’s good, good show.

1083
01:03:22,600 –> 01:03:27,500
So check that out.
That will be up Thursday.

1084
01:03:27,700 –> 01:03:30,800
So there’s that.
Do we have anything else to

1085
01:03:30,800 –> 01:03:32,800
plug?
You got anything to plug know

1086
01:03:32,800 –> 01:03:34,100
that?
That’s it.

1087
01:03:35,000 –> 01:03:38,500
Oh, also, I’m doing a live
unpopular Opinion podcast in New

1088
01:03:38,500 –> 01:03:43,700
York City August 28th.
At caveat NYC for p.m. come.

1089
01:03:43,700 –> 01:03:47,300
See us, then go do other shit
later that night holy night of

1090
01:03:47,300 –> 01:03:50,200
it.
It’ll be me comedian and

1091
01:03:50,200 –> 01:03:53,700
four-time Jeopardy champion,
Alex Schmidt, nice music,

1092
01:03:53,700 –> 01:03:57,800
producer and my pod, six
co-host, slice Berg slim who has

1093
01:03:57,800 –> 01:04:02,400
appeared on this podcast and
comedian Calise Hawkins will all

1094
01:04:02,400 –> 01:04:06,100
be on the line up tickets are
available at the Be at NYC

1095
01:04:06,100 –> 01:04:10,100
website, or check out the on
pops Twitter, and you can find

1096
01:04:10,100 –> 01:04:12,700
links there.
So, come to that come come.

1097
01:04:12,700 –> 01:04:16,900
See me in person will come.
Come ask me about all the

1098
01:04:16,900 –> 01:04:19,700
conspiracy theories.
I can’t talk about on the

1099
01:04:19,700 –> 01:04:22,200
podcast.
Absolutely, no, don’t die.

1100
01:04:22,200 –> 01:04:27,100
And I’m just, you know, I say
the NSA to show up what other

1101
01:04:27,100 –> 01:04:29,600
conspiracies wouldn’t talk about
our past.

1102
01:04:29,600 –> 01:04:31,900
Never mind.
Don’t ask me shit, right?

1103
01:04:32,000 –> 01:04:36,200
No, just smoke, em up.
Yeah, just bring weed.

1104
01:04:37,200 –> 01:04:39,000
I think that’s it.
Let’s get out of here.

1105
01:04:39,000 –> 01:04:42,200
Olivia, say Good-Bye Baby.
Goodbye everybody.

1106
01:04:42,200 –> 01:04:42,700
We love you.