Adam and Olivia dive into one of the biggest and craziest Navy scandals of all time.
Show notes: https://unpops.co/3LFUO0J
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Welcome to conspiracy the show.
The world’s most trusted
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conspiracy theory podcast with
your host, Adam Todd Brown and
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Olivia haydar Hey, everybody,
Welcome to conspiracy the show.
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I’m Adam, Todd Brown and I’m
Olivia.
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Hi Dart.
And that would make us your
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hosts, Olivia.
How’s it going?
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It’s going well, it’s going.
Well, fall seems to be finally
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turning its head.
I’m sorry fall.
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What is What Adam?
It’s a kind of in-between season
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that comes between summer and
I’m sorry Seasons.
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What are you?
Yes, Seasons.
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It’s like, you know.
So the Earth it’s tilted on its
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radial axis.
So I mean, science is out on
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that.
I think we’ve, we’ve got some
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concerns planned.
But okay.
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Sure.
Every to disagree Seasons.
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I’ve heard they exist.
Yeah.
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No.
I mean they do kind of not as
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much anymore.
Barely.
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Fortunately, I like that.
I don’t have seasons anymore.
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It’s fine.
I never know what time of year
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it is, it’s amazing.
I mean, I’ll miss I love the
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weather.
When I lived in La it was, it
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was the best.
But I will say disposition wise,
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I am just so much better suited
to like fall.
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It’s just like I mean falling
pretty great.
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Yeah.
Like and like all of my clothes
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basically are tailored to fall
or Or like wintry fault.
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Type of thing.
Yeah, I’m a big, a guy.
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I like when jacket season rolls
around in l.a.
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Yeah.
And here’s the thing.
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Like and I just kind of if I
don’t wear sweater or something,
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I kind of feel naked.
And so I’ll just like, wear
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sweaters in the summer.
It’s just hot.
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It sucks.
So, we’re talking about a
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scandal today, a military scan.
Military corruption Scandal that
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I’m going to be honest.
I’m not that mad about.
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Yeah, we’re talking about them
to be mad about.
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We’re talking about the fat
Leonard scandal in, which is a,
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I mean like developing story.
It’s a new, it’s a new thing.
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It’s just come out for sure.
I mean like personally like I
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just have a hard time getting to
mad about anything.
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I just learned about and I had
never heard of this before.
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You sent me that info?
Yeah.
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Hadn’t heard much about it.
It’s apparently been brewing
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for, like 25 years.
Yeah, and people have been
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blowing the whistle about it
for, about 15 years, but it’s
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just now, this guy had to have
done something wrong.
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This is, yeah.
Like one of those cases where
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someone just has government
protection for years and years
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and years and then all of a
sudden they don’t.
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And it’s like all right, what
the fuck did you do?
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Who did you catch?
Doing something like what’s
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going on here.
He’s got some book with like,
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high-ranking officials listed in
it with some salacious material
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or something.
We know, he had some high-level
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connections because a lot of
those people have been arrested
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in connection to this, but there
have to be people above them.
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Who finally, like pulled the
trigger on this.
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And we’re like, this guy’s gone
too far because this really was
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a scheme that kind of paid off.
On both ends.
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Yeah, the only real victims were
the taxpayers and we’re always
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the victims, right?
I mean, oh no, slightly.
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More of our money went towards
the military and Military
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expenses.
Oh no!
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Yeah, I mean compared to a lot
of the things our military
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spending goes toward I think
keeping tie and Filipino sex
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workers afloat isn’t the worst
know, it’s like a chair.
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Yeah, essentially so the fat
Leonard Scandal the Washington
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Post called it quote perhaps the
worst national security breach
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of its kind to hit the Navy
since the end of the Cold War
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and quote and yeah, but I also
don’t feel like we were put in
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any danger as a nation over
this, right?
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No, I mean National Security is
just something that gets thrown
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around for a lot of different
reasons.
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It seems like this guy was just
the best at bribing people and I
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feel like he’s definitely not
the only one bribing people
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know, but he feels like the
Michael Jordan of bribing,
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right?
Maybe.
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Yeah.
His sick game was insane likes
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this Scandal.
It involves a ship support.
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Contractor called Glen.
Malin Asia gdm a And the Company
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CEO and president Leonard Glenn
Francis AKA fat Leonard.
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He is the driving force behind
this Scandal.
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I mean first of all rude.
I like what what how do you get
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the moniker fat Leonard?
Yeah.
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Wouldn’t you as someone who
wielded this much power demand,
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a better nickname like I’d have
people killed for calling me fat
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Leonard.
If I was this like do we know
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the Provenance of the name fat
fat Leonard.
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Why many ways like 350 pounds?
But even when I hear that, I’m
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like, well, how tall was he?
Was he like, I mean, like, I
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for, I imagine he was Hefty like
that, that part, I understood, I
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just mean, like, did he start
calling himself at Leonard?
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Did he know that people were
calling him fellas?
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This is how we found out.
He’s like, yeah.
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Oh, the fat Leonard scandal.
They fall just called me Glenn.
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I thought we were Bros.
See, this is I really would like
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to know, nicknames are so sweet,
you know?
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Because like, I just think about
my frame of reference for
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nicknames is like lost in The
Sopranos.
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So thinking about like, you
know, big pussy.
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You know how big pussy get big
in his name.
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Yeah that’s gotta be quite the
story behind it.
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Either that or just someone was
like you’re fat or fat.
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Leonard, Leonard a fat Leonard I
mean because it’s even military.
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They’re still probably.
Fleeing the shit out of this
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guy, no matter who it was, it
was definitely said in the tone
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of, Hey, fat Leonard, how’s it
going?
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And he was probably like, that’s
fine.
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That’s what all my friends call
me.
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That’s my nickname.
No, it’s cool.
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It’s cool.
Yeah, no.
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Hey, by the way here, how about
I fleece you for 25 years?
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That’s fine.
That’s his revenge.
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Yeah that’s the thing as a ship
support contractor.
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What that means is exactly what
it sounds like.
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The gma’s role was to serve as
Ships as they would come into
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the various ports of the world
and they would read restock food
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and water do maintenance stuff,
things of the like, sure.
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And the elevator pitch version
of how the Scandal worked is
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that fat Leonard would bribe
members of the Navy. 7th Fleet
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with cash and travel expenses
and luxury.
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Items prostitutes.
My God prostitutes come up so
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much in this.
He’s just constantly.
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Yeah, and in return, they would
give fat Leonard classified
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information about the movement
of us, ships and submarines and
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about any active criminal
investigations into Glenn
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defense Marine.
Asia, I just feel like that’s a
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really high price for a
prostitute.
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It does seem the thinking has to
be that.
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Well, he’s not giving this
information.
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To Russia.
But also that seems those seem
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like very risky dice to roll,
right?
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Believing this guy is not giving
this information to Russia
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because for one thing, the first
thing he does when he’s finally
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found out is try to flee to
Russia, of course.
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So I, I have to imagine the
thinking in giving like the ship
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movement information was, well,
he’s just using it to make more
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money for his ship maintenance
company.
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Because that’s what he would do.
He would take this information
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about where ships were going to
be.
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And he would use his people
inside the Navy to redirect or
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direct these ships to Ports that
he controlled.
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And then when these ships got to
these ports he would weigh over
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charge for various Services as a
means of bilking the Navy, but
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he would cover it up by bribing
people and throwing these
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elaborate parties and sending
people.
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Trips in, like, I don’t know,
I’m still not that mad at it.
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I’m not mad at this at all.
Olivia, you flame angry.
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I’m very I’m pissed.
No, but like it just just seem
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like very convoluted.
I feel like there’s a few middle
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steps in there that we could cut
out, not to know bleah.
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I mean, like, it’s like, we’re
both bribing, the Navy were
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first Reviving The Navy to get
the information.
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Ation and nimmer, bribing the
Navy.
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Navy to keep it quiet that we’re
getting like, were overcharging
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them for shit.
Like I just feel like that’s too
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many brides.
Let’s try and condense this into
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one bribe.
It does seem like a lot of work.
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Yeah, but also you got to
imagine he was probably enjoying
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all of this himself because it’s
not like he would throw these
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elaborate parties and then be
like, all right, I’ll be in the
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manager’s office.
You need me?
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No, I’m sure party.
And with The Navy also, I don’t
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know that 5 more, that’s
probably how you get the
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nickname fat.
Leonard, partying with fucking
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military.
Yeah, poof.
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And so he would.
Yeah, he would use that
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information.
About ship movements to redirect
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like aircraft, carriers ships,
Subs to Ports.
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He controlled, and it’s the
scope of this Scandal.
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That’s really impressive, right?
Because this is the kind of
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thing that you think would go on
for like a year or two and
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someone Would find it out the
7th Fleet depended on gdm a more
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than any other firm to refuel
and resupply its vessels for 25
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years.
That’s a long time.
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It’s a very long time.
Maybe he I feel like maybe I
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don’t know at that point.
Are they really taking
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advantage?
Yeah it just it kind of Like,
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this is the contract, they
wanted to go with.
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They wanted to go with us to the
party guy so because they’re
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lonely Sailors.
You know, it’s there out on see
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for a long time, easy access to
prostitutes.
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It’s probably, you know, a
desirable benefit to their
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services.
Yeah, that’s the thing.
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Someone was going to overcharge
the Navy for this and most of
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them were not going to provide
the services that Glenn defense
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Marine Asia provided which was
the party of the century but
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like once a week, right?
That’s that’s my question is.
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How much was he spending on
these parties?
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Because you hear like the the
thing that keeps coming up is
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how much he would charge for
sewage removal.
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And it seems like he was like
double billing for that.
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But yeah.
Like is that enough to cover all
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of these expenses and still get
rich?
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It’s got to be well, I mean and
Have to imagine if this is how
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he’s treating the US Navy that
he probably has similar scheme
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setup with every like, you know,
person in the nearby Port who
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could provide what he needs for
a party like this.
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You know, there’s no way he’s
paying for all that if he’s
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fleece in the Navy like this.
Yeah, we’ll get into it later,
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but he had contracts with the
Navies of several different
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countries and it’s like, oh,
Yeah, no shit.
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I wonder.
Yeah, I wonder how he got those
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contracts.
I wonder what those parties were
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like.
It’s just funny that a guy named
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fat Leonard.
Just has access to like, who
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knows how many countries
classified Naval documents.
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That’s the thing.
This has kind of like a Jeffrey
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Epstein stink to it where it’s
like, yeah, this guy was
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obviously the key figure in it,
but who Else was involved in
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this because this, he was, but a
lowly shipping maintenance guy.
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And he had all these connections
to like, top-notch sex workers.
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I’ll call him sex workers to
Washington Post and says some
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prostitutes.
But right like, how did he get
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access to the things?
He bribed these people with.
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Like, it’s like it just had a
warehouse of Cohiba cigars and
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attractive for And women willing
to have sex with the Navy for
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money, like he might’ve.
Yeah, meaning, he might have.
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And yeah, it’s just, it’s wild
to think about and he managed to
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get moles in at different levels
of the Navy.
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This is a quote from a retired
Navy official speaking to the
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Washington Post.
The Soviets couldn’t have
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penetrated us better than
Leonard Francis.
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He’s got people skills.
That are off the scale.
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He can hook you so fast that you
don’t see it coming at one time.
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He infiltrated the entire
leadership line, the KGB could
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not have done what he did that
to me speaks to something more
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than just, I mean, I know some
people are just born naturally
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Charming but also some people
learn it at like the school of
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the Americas or whatever shadowy
CIA cult.
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Ian is operating in whatever
country, like, he had.
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He had some pretty remarkable
people skills.
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But I mean, he seems like he was
a master of penetration that
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that is yeah, I’m fat Leonard,
fat Leonard master of
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penetration volume run the car
door.
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Oh no, Leonard, I don’t know.
I mean, yeah, it’s wild to
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think.
I mean, I hope that you almost
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kind of hope that he was a You
know.
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Yeah, I mean I hope he was a spy
for us because I’m very
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patriotic, we all know that, of
course, sure.
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But yeah, there’s got to be
something to how he had access
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to all of these things.
He bribed people with because
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that right, at least in like
will link to a Washington Post
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write-up about this.
That goes into a lot of detail
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in interviews, a lot of sources
and they don’t really explain
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how he makes the The jump from
seemingly legitimate shipping,
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maintenance company.
Operator to this guy that has
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the funds to pull off all these
bribes, like, his family was
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like, they were, they were
well-off but not like, they
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weren’t like Kennedy’s, they
weren’t like Rockefellers.
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And like how, where did the seed
money to start the criminal
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grade this come from?
Yeah, the beginning.
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That’s the part that I am the
most Rest is like yeah that like
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you said that transition, how do
you, how do you make that link
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the first time?
Maybe he just saw an opportunity
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and had the means and just
jumped on it and Road you know
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like just kind of went along for
the ride.
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Yeah it’s got to be because the
things he was bribing people
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with the Washington Post article
that will link to, they have a
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whole list of things and I’ll
just go through some of them
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four nights at a Manila Hotel
along with a plasti too.
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Four nights at a Hong Kong
hotel.
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Along with a prostitute, of
course, it housecleaning just
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leaves the prostitute on the
pillow, like mint.
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Sorry, sex work.
I should really?
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Yeah, we’re quoting The
Washington Post here.
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And all right.
They’re fucking writings about
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this and like it’s it’s the word
all of the reports about this.
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Use tickets to a Lady Gaga
concert in Thailand.
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Cool.
No prostitute.
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I’m sure there was a prostitute.
Sex worker.
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There, two tickets to The Lion
King musical in Japan.
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Is it as good?
If it’s in Japan and not like,
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in brought on Broadway, that
feels a little like having, but
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off be way to me.
Surely it’s just that they were
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in Japan.
I just have to imagine that’s
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why it was that one.
No, it’s a completely different
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different play in Japan, you
know, and they didn’t hit, give
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them plane tickets to Japan,
which is really kind of a
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ripoff.
I like this.
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Next one, prostitutes, it’s like
come on, you’ve just added four
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nights in a Manila Hotel along
with a prostitute and then like
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15 entries down.
It just lists the word
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prostitute separately.
It’s like you are really
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enjoying saying, this aren’t
you?
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You’re like Tarantino and he is
everywhere in this article.
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It is really want to reinforce
that they were like fucking all
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the time.
There was also nine days lodging
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and Tonga.
Sure.
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I mean you know awesome I’d take
that three thousand dollars cash
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and then a thousand dollars cash
per month and then cash.
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It’s like again you don’t have
to list cash after 3000 like
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you’re getting less specific as
it goes on and that’s not how
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that support.
You are.
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The Washington fucking post.
Tighten your shit up.
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Also, three week, five country
vacation in Southeast Asia.
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That’s a lot of shit.
Yeah, like it’s a busy week,
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three weeks, it’s a busy few
weeks.
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It reminds me of that story of
how Courtney Love showed up in
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the British, New Wave, seen with
1,000 hits of ecstasy, and a guy
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who worked for the CIA and it’s
like yeah that’s normal.
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That sounds like the perfectly
normal moving’s and comings and
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goings of a regular person with
no Taz to anything shady at all.
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Yes, of course.
Courtney Love had Access to 1000
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hits of acid, what?
So let’s backtrack a little talk
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about how this started fat
Leonard.
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He comes from a family that
worked in both stuff which is
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the science term for it.
Specifically his maternal
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grandfather started, a maritime
Logistics, firm and his family
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had money, but they were still
kind of dysfunctional at one
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point his mom left because Dad
was a cheater, but also she took
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two of fat Leonard siblings with
her and left him with Dad.
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Dad so he could make sure Dad
didn’t bring home any strange
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women.
Uh-huh.
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Which is in this guy.
Bad parenting.
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Yeah.
And then this guy went on to
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trap basically traffic women or
you know, exchange them for
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favors.
Yeah.
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I wonder if he had any issues
for this up breaking.
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Nah, that yeah, he did have some
skirmishes with the law which in
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Malaysia means you’re going to
get beat with a cane he
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apparently.
Open the bar and fell in with
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some shady characters.
And at one point has bar gets
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rated and they find guns and
ammunition, which is a big, big
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deal in a country like Malaysia.
Yes.
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And because his family had some
means he was able to get off
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without the caning, but the
police were so angry that he got
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off on such a light sentence,
they arrested him again.
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Immediately upon leaving the
Courthouse and charged him with
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a string of robberies.
He did not commit and they
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finally like dropped those
charges in exchange for him.
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Like, taking more of a sentence
for the gun crime, and he
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finally got six weapons with the
cane.
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Let’s cops, really wanted to see
him.
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Get beat.
They were probably working off
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while they were watching it like
yeah, you really obsessed with
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this cane.
Look man, we got that.
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We polished the cane it was
already and then you Get away or
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stakeholders and that Kane
company, gotta keep the name in
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the news.
And so he finally, he gets six
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lashes with the cane, which is
more harsh than it sounds.
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That is actually a very insane
punishment if you’ve ever looked
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into it and after he’s done
dealing with all that, he gets
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into the family business and he
didn’t really know anything
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about the family business, but
he did what you do in that
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situation and you just hire
people who do know about it.
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Sure.
And you let them do most of the
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work and you focus on, you know,
secure in the puss for the US
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Navy.
Look, this is going to be vital
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to his business interests going
forward.
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He also change the ringtone on
his phone to God bless the
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u.s.a. by Lee Greenwood.
Brilliant classic.
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Absolutely brilliant.
Great idea that legitimately a
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great idea.
So by the early 2000s, he had
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secured contracts to service
u.s.
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Navy ships.
It’s in ports from Russia to
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Papua New Guinea along with
business from the Navies of
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Britain, France, Mexico, India
and the Netherlands.
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I wonder what those parties were
like it’s that, I mean, knowing
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what his other parties were,
like, probably a good time.
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Which ones do we think?
We’re the best?
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I’m going France or Mexico?
Probably, Mexico.
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Mmm, I don’t know.
I think India would party pretty
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hard.
Yeah.
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They got a space program.
You’re gonna see some shit.
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Partying, with India.
You know what the fuck’s going
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on exactly?
Well, the Netherlands Love Weed.
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Yeah.
But I mean we got weed.
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That’s fair.
My days of being impressed by
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having weed or long gone.
Yeah.
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We got weed too.
Hard to find here.
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Oh yeah.
Oh that sucks.
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That’s the one thing I always
when I’m like why do I still I
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live in California.
It’s like, oh yeah, that’s why
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it’s so easy here.
So, so easy.
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So one of the things that
obviously played a role in him,
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getting all these contracts is
fat, Leonard knew how to show an
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incoming Navy, servicemen a good
time.
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When an American Navy ship would
come into one of his ports.
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He’d be waiting at the pier like
a goddamn concierge to In
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shopping trips, sightseeing,
tours, concert tickets, whatever
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people wanted not, the kind of
thing you expect from the guy
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who’s also there to clean the
shitter, like right?
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Like this is he’s here to empty
out the sewage container, but
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he’s also like Ricardo Montalban
on Fantasy Island during the
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fake Star Trek chest.
So he doesn’t look quite as fat.
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It’s not fake.
That’s a real contest.
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In Wrath of Khan, I know but
still Ivy.
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He’s just adding get incredible
shape.
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Like that’s the thing.
Yeah I mean that’s just what
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that’s really he’s giving them
Platinum Club service you know?
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Like that’s above and beyond.
Yeah he would invite people to
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really elaborate Banquets, they
were be fancy booze and food and
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cigars.
He had a team of elite pole
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dancers that he called the
elite.
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Ty Seal Team that he would
sometimes fly in.
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And it’s like, are they still in
business?
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I want to see the elite tie Seal
Team.
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Do they have a YouTube?
If not they should.
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It’s 2022 on yes.
First hit.
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Okay, I Google Elite tie.
Seal Team first hit 36-hour orgy
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and delete hooker teams lurid,
details of debauchery.
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And Fat Leonard case.
That is way too long.
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Where their function?
I was seeing at this orgy.
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Jesus.
Yeah, we’re their phone
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chargers.
Could you like, did you stay in
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touch with a problem?
Or is that just three days lost
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to history charges?
Like I’m 30 if they were like
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it’s a 3.6 our orgy.
I’d be like I’m in for half.
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Maybe I’ll come.
But I’ll and I’ll come and then
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I’ll get Equity Powers.
My God, ha ha ha.
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He even went so far as to buy a
decommissioned British.
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Ship the awesomely named RFA
sir, Lancelot, and he just
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turned it into a giant party
boat, like, complete with
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prostitutes in the ward room to
entertain us officers.
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He would like pull it up
alongside ships as they were
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pulling in to his port and it’s
like, well, why was the Navy
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overlooking?
Given him all this money?
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It’s like, yeah, I wonder why?
Because he made their job
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awesome.
Right?
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Yeah.
I mean like I would definitely
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if I had a choice of people to
deal with.
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I mean, look, you know, I just I
just saw a picture of him.
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He is not that fat.
Yeah I get the sense.
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He’s probably a little tall and
at that point all we have this
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gift please.
Yeah.
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Because I used to weigh almost
350 pounds at one point and I’m
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not tall.
And yeah, I’m not tall and I
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don’t know how much I weigh
because I don’t look at Scales.
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Yeah, yeah, I don’t know what I
weigh.
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00:27:15,100 –> 00:27:18,700
Now, I quit nicotine, so I don’t
want to know like that.
434
00:27:18,700 –> 00:27:19,600
Yeah.
Quit.
435
00:27:19,600 –> 00:27:23,200
Nicotine is a whole fucking
thing and yeah, it has been a
436
00:27:23,200 –> 00:27:26,200
months long ordeal and I am
positive.
437
00:27:26,200 –> 00:27:29,800
I’ve gained some weight but also
I got sick that one time and
438
00:27:29,800 –> 00:27:33,700
lost a bunch of weight.
So I had I had room to move.
439
00:27:33,800 –> 00:27:35,800
Right.
So for fat, Leonard’s
440
00:27:35,800 –> 00:27:39,400
Hospitality the Navy would
routinely fire off these.
441
00:27:39,400 –> 00:27:43,600
Thank you notes called Bravo
Zulus to Glenn defense.
442
00:27:43,600 –> 00:27:46,000
That’s a Navy term for well
done.
443
00:27:46,300 –> 00:27:50,900
And yeah, I just always think
Think of them as letters, but I
444
00:27:50,908 –> 00:27:52,700
guess that’s not what it means
in this case.
445
00:27:52,700 –> 00:27:56,000
Yeah, I don’t know.
I mean, I know Zulu people are
446
00:27:56,000 –> 00:27:58,100
an ethnic group in southern
Africa.
447
00:27:58,200 –> 00:28:01,000
Well, yeah, I know that and I
know that there’s a film called
448
00:28:01,000 –> 00:28:05,700
Zulu, that’s pretty great but
kind of racist movie and there’s
449
00:28:05,700 –> 00:28:10,900
you know, come on so fat Leonard
would in turn take these Bravo
450
00:28:10,900 –> 00:28:14,100
Zulus and post them on his
website and put them in like
451
00:28:14,100 –> 00:28:17,800
company.
Brochures as proof that you know
452
00:28:17,800 –> 00:28:21,200
he does a good job.
If your ships are coming to
453
00:28:21,200 –> 00:28:22,500
town.
All right.
454
00:28:22,600 –> 00:28:24,700
One retired.
Admiral speaking to the
455
00:28:24,708 –> 00:28:27,600
Washington Post.
Anonymously said that after he
456
00:28:27,600 –> 00:28:31,700
complimented Francis on his
fancy suit and quote, blowtorch
457
00:28:31,700 –> 00:28:35,600
of a cigar lighter.
And quote, of course, Francis
458
00:28:35,600 –> 00:28:39,100
showed up the next morning, as
his ship, was about to depart
459
00:28:39,200 –> 00:28:42,700
with some gifts, he had one of
those Cigar Lighters which has
460
00:28:42,700 –> 00:28:47,600
turns out cost $700 which that’s
Gwyneth Paltrow vagina.
461
00:28:47,600 –> 00:28:50,000
Egg territory.
They’re like I don’t care how
462
00:28:50,700 –> 00:28:53,500
rich you are.
If you’re buying a $700 cigar
463
00:28:53,500 –> 00:28:59,800
lighter, you don’t belong here
like you are not doing with your
464
00:28:59,800 –> 00:29:01,900
money.
What we need you to be doing
465
00:29:01,900 –> 00:29:05,700
with your mother, right?
And yeah, it needs to go to
466
00:29:05,700 –> 00:29:09,000
someone else and you need to go
to space.
467
00:29:09,200 –> 00:29:13,500
I’m just like, even if it’s
gold, how is it $700?
468
00:29:13,600 –> 00:29:15,800
Yeah.
Did it belong to Babe, Ruth?
469
00:29:16,800 –> 00:29:21,600
Maybe it did.
It then he also had two pewter
470
00:29:21,600 –> 00:29:27,100
platters worth about $500.
Each pack of 25, Cuban cigars,
471
00:29:27,400 –> 00:29:31,600
and a business card for his
Taylor and this Anonymous
472
00:29:31,600 –> 00:29:33,900
Admiral refused.
All those gifts.
473
00:29:34,000 –> 00:29:36,700
He said, there is no question in
my mind that he tried to
474
00:29:36,700 –> 00:29:39,700
influence me.
It’s like fishing, he’s got the
475
00:29:39,700 –> 00:29:42,000
hook.
If he got an inch, he’d go for a
476
00:29:42,000 –> 00:29:44,100
foot.
If he get a foot, he go for a
477
00:29:44,100 –> 00:29:47,800
yard which?
Wow, that’s where I just take
478
00:29:47,800 –> 00:29:48,800
the plate.
Take the pee.
479
00:29:48,900 –> 00:29:51,900
Peter platters man thing, take
them take laughs.
480
00:29:51,900 –> 00:29:55,400
It sounds like has this guy ever
smoked a Cuban cigar, they’re
481
00:29:55,400 –> 00:29:57,500
great.
Yeah, they are.
482
00:29:57,500 –> 00:30:01,500
They’re wonderful.
It’s like there’s this, there’s
483
00:30:01,500 –> 00:30:04,200
this video game series called
yeah.
484
00:30:04,200 –> 00:30:07,100
Cos emitter called the Yakuza
games in America.
485
00:30:07,300 –> 00:30:11,300
And when you gamble in those get
there’s like gambling dens and
486
00:30:11,300 –> 00:30:14,900
stuff.
And when you gamble in the game,
487
00:30:14,900 –> 00:30:19,900
they don’t reward you with cash
for And then you just get like
488
00:30:19,900 –> 00:30:24,700
tokens that you can exchange for
gifts that you then exchange for
489
00:30:24,700 –> 00:30:31,900
cash and they’re like, pewter
platters and really lighters and
490
00:30:31,900 –> 00:30:34,300
shit.
Like it’s just, it sounds
491
00:30:34,300 –> 00:30:38,000
exactly like this stuff.
Maybe that’s who’s behind all
492
00:30:38,000 –> 00:30:39,900
this.
Yeah, maybe it’s the accurate.
493
00:30:39,900 –> 00:30:42,500
Maybe maybe, fat, Leonard’s
working for the Yakuza.
494
00:30:43,500 –> 00:30:48,600
So one really great example of
how much power fat Leonard was
495
00:30:48,600 –> 00:30:53,000
we, Building within the Navy.
After just a few short years of
496
00:30:53,000 –> 00:30:57,700
providing boat maintenance and
fuck Services, can be found in
497
00:30:57,700 –> 00:31:00,900
the story of Dave shouse.
He was one of the first people
498
00:31:00,900 –> 00:31:06,000
to question fat Leonard about
his exorbitant bills for ship
499
00:31:06,000 –> 00:31:10,500
maintenance services.
He was a junior officer assigned
500
00:31:10,500 –> 00:31:14,200
to the Navy’s ships.
Support office in Hong Kong and
501
00:31:14,200 –> 00:31:18,800
he became suspicious when gdm.
A build his office for pumping,
502
00:31:19,000 –> 00:31:23,100
Hundred thousand gallons of
sewage from a destroyer that
503
00:31:23,100 –> 00:31:27,800
spent four days in Port.
And the problem there is that
504
00:31:27,800 –> 00:31:31,200
the destroyer in question, had a
sewage tank with a maximum
505
00:31:31,200 –> 00:31:37,700
capacity of 12,000 gallons, and
it was only serviced once a day,
506
00:31:37,800 –> 00:31:40,900
right?
So for all, you non math, nerds
507
00:31:41,100 –> 00:31:44,700
out there.
That means gdm, a build for
508
00:31:44,700 –> 00:31:48,800
twice, the amount of sewage that
was physically capable of being
509
00:31:48,900 –> 00:31:51,400
removed from the ship during
that span.
510
00:31:51,500 –> 00:31:55,500
And what when shouse question
Francis about it?
511
00:31:55,500 –> 00:31:58,800
He said Francis became irate and
accused him of calling him a
512
00:31:58,800 –> 00:32:03,500
liar, to which nouse replied, I
am calling you a liar.
513
00:32:03,900 –> 00:32:07,900
Yes.
Your assessment was correct, but
514
00:32:07,900 –> 00:32:12,000
then if you dig into this guy’s
story after that he ends up
515
00:32:12,000 –> 00:32:15,800
basically resigning.
And the Navy is like hey leave
516
00:32:15,800 –> 00:32:18,600
that guy alone.
He he does all the fuck parties.
517
00:32:19,400 –> 00:32:20,200
Yeah.
Come on man.
518
00:32:20,200 –> 00:32:22,600
Don’t you are the two early?
Go to the fucking party.
519
00:32:22,800 –> 00:32:26,700
Yeah, you’re gonna you’re going
to take down captain of the SS
520
00:32:26,700 –> 00:32:28,500
sir Lancelot.
No thank you.
521
00:32:30,600 –> 00:32:32,500
It would be RMS right?
Yeah true.
522
00:32:32,600 –> 00:32:37,000
So he eventually was told to
back off that bill was paid in
523
00:32:37,000 –> 00:32:39,000
full.
He recalled another incident
524
00:32:39,000 –> 00:32:43,800
when the USS Abraham Lincoln and
three other warships.
525
00:32:43,800 –> 00:32:48,000
Arrived in Hong Kong and Francis
through this huge party.
526
00:32:48,000 –> 00:32:51,600
Complete with Prostitutes
dressed as Santa’s Little
527
00:32:51,600 –> 00:32:54,100
Helpers.
Sheriff, for all of the visiting
528
00:32:54,100 –> 00:32:57,000
officers, nice touch, the next
morning.
529
00:32:57,000 –> 00:33:01,800
He showed up with a six hundred
thousand dollar sewage removal
530
00:33:01,800 –> 00:33:05,900
invoice expecting to be paid
immediately and the guy he
531
00:33:05,900 –> 00:33:08,200
brought it to his like, oh so
we’re just paying for that
532
00:33:08,200 –> 00:33:09,500
party.
You threw last night.
533
00:33:09,500 –> 00:33:12,100
Huh.
And once again the Navy was like
534
00:33:12,100 –> 00:33:15,600
shut up pay.
His bill hate is Bill.
535
00:33:15,700 –> 00:33:18,400
Yes sane.
It seems like it’s sewage
536
00:33:18,400 –> 00:33:20,200
removal.
Is where he was getting them.
537
00:33:20,300 –> 00:33:24,500
Yeah, I mean, hey good for him.
I mean, you know, I want to
538
00:33:24,500 –> 00:33:29,200
know, I need to know before I be
I don’t want to be too, effusive
539
00:33:29,200 –> 00:33:33,200
about this guy.
I need to know like, is he a
540
00:33:33,200 –> 00:33:35,200
pimp?
Is that how he has?
541
00:33:35,200 –> 00:33:39,600
Like I just don’t.
It feels too much like human
542
00:33:39,600 –> 00:33:42,600
trafficking for me to love it
too much.
543
00:33:42,600 –> 00:33:46,100
See, that’s the thing.
Like when people talk about
544
00:33:46,100 –> 00:33:50,000
MKUltra when it was really at
its peak Back in the 60s.
545
00:33:50,300 –> 00:33:52,700
One of the things people just
casually mention is 0.
546
00:33:52,700 –> 00:33:56,500
The CIA ran a brothel in San
Francisco and it’s looking where
547
00:33:56,500 –> 00:34:00,800
did the girls come from right?
Like you can’t get be like, oh,
548
00:34:00,800 –> 00:34:03,700
the CIA ran a brothel.
It’s like do you know what that
549
00:34:03,700 –> 00:34:09,100
implies that implies the CIA was
sex trafficking women in?
550
00:34:09,100 –> 00:34:12,300
Like yeah this guy their light
like the articles are just like,
551
00:34:12,500 –> 00:34:15,600
oh he oh he was very selective
about the prostitutes.
552
00:34:15,600 –> 00:34:18,800
He worked with just like, how
did he find?
553
00:34:19,000 –> 00:34:22,199
Um like that.
Yeah, this really is one of
554
00:34:22,207 –> 00:34:25,400
those stories where there’s a
lot of holes that still need to
555
00:34:25,400 –> 00:34:28,300
be filled.
I mean yeah, seems like a lot of
556
00:34:28,300 –> 00:34:29,300
holes.
Got filled.
557
00:34:33,100 –> 00:34:37,600
Just not the kind who needs to
provide adequate information
558
00:34:37,800 –> 00:34:42,600
about fill some gaps in logic.
Oh, some gaps got filled though?
559
00:34:42,900 –> 00:34:46,400
Yeah, if you know what I means
like they left some real gapers.
560
00:34:48,800 –> 00:34:51,600
I feel gross.
Oh yeah.
561
00:34:52,699 –> 00:34:58,300
So as we mentioned earlier, this
guy managed to like plant moles
562
00:34:58,400 –> 00:35:01,600
at all sorts of levels within
the Navy.
563
00:35:01,600 –> 00:35:04,100
He’s like Whitey Bulger in The
Departed.
564
00:35:04,100 –> 00:35:07,600
It’s got like cops working.
Yeah.
565
00:35:07,700 –> 00:35:12,900
On his behalf if you’re running
a scheme like this, that just
566
00:35:12,900 –> 00:35:15,200
makes sense.
Yeah, I feel like this guy
567
00:35:15,200 –> 00:35:19,400
couldn’t have been operating
alone like their hair to be some
568
00:35:19,400 –> 00:35:22,200
sort of other involvement behind
this.
569
00:35:22,400 –> 00:35:26,700
But one of the people that he
got kind of installed in the
570
00:35:26,700 –> 00:35:31,400
Navy, on his behalf was a woman
named Sharon gursharan coward, a
571
00:35:31,400 –> 00:35:35,500
Singapore, National who worked
for the Navy starting in 2006.
572
00:35:35,500 –> 00:35:38,800
She would leaked confidential,
contract information to Francis
573
00:35:38,900 –> 00:35:42,800
in exchange for a hundred
thousand dollars cash and luxury
574
00:35:42,800 –> 00:35:47,200
vacations in Bali and Dubai and
it seems like a hundred thousand
575
00:35:47,200 –> 00:35:50,800
cash isn’t enough but also like
she’s living in Singapore.
576
00:35:50,800 –> 00:35:53,700
I bet that goes a whole lot.
Further there than it does in
577
00:35:53,700 –> 00:35:55,100
l.a.
Yeah.
578
00:35:55,100 –> 00:36:00,600
And like luxury vacations and
Dubai that can’t be just a
579
00:36:00,600 –> 00:36:04,300
hundred thousand bucks.
Yeah, I wonder what kind of sex
580
00:36:04,300 –> 00:36:08,400
workers she got, probably some
hot Arab guy good for her.
581
00:36:09,500 –> 00:36:11,800
Oh yeah.
I mean you know or whatever it’s
582
00:36:11,800 –> 00:36:16,600
bad because if human trafficking
but like human trafficking and
583
00:36:16,600 –> 00:36:19,300
he’s on here.
Footholds, come on now.
584
00:36:19,400 –> 00:36:22,200
So there was another mole guy
named Paul.
585
00:36:22,500 –> 00:36:25,000
Cannons.
Hmm, he worked for the US.
586
00:36:25,000 –> 00:36:29,100
Navy in Singapore as a contract
supervisor and he was paid.
587
00:36:29,100 –> 00:36:31,900
Four hundred and fifty thousand
dollars to rig.
588
00:36:31,900 –> 00:36:35,100
Navy contracts on fat, Leonard’s
behalf.
589
00:36:35,200 –> 00:36:39,200
He also ordered the Navy’s Hong
Kong office to stop using flow
590
00:36:39,200 –> 00:36:43,300
meters to measure the amount of
sewage that Glenn defense pump
591
00:36:43,300 –> 00:36:44,500
from ships.
Wow!
592
00:36:44,700 –> 00:36:48,600
Which made it easier for Francis
to gouge the Navy for that
593
00:36:48,600 –> 00:36:51,300
service.
Of course, it really does seem
594
00:36:51,300 –> 00:36:52,200
like, that’s where he was
hiding.
595
00:36:52,300 –> 00:36:53,900
Hiding.
It was in the mainland.
596
00:36:53,900 –> 00:36:56,100
Sewage pumping.
No wants to get down in the
597
00:36:56,100 –> 00:36:57,400
shit’s.
Not his fault.
598
00:36:57,400 –> 00:37:01,800
They’re fucking pooping so much.
Yeah.
599
00:37:02,400 –> 00:37:04,100
Like, yeah.
The Navy looks at the bill and
600
00:37:04,100 –> 00:37:07,600
it’s like, yeah, I guess that’s
an amount of shit we have in
601
00:37:07,600 –> 00:37:09,500
here.
Maybe that was the scheme.
602
00:37:09,500 –> 00:37:11,600
It’s just the food.
He was giving them made them
603
00:37:11,600 –> 00:37:15,400
shit, A bunch ah-ha-ha.
I’m got to build a bunch for
604
00:37:15,400 –> 00:37:20,800
removing all that shit, right?
So this Paul Simkins guy who
605
00:37:20,800 –> 00:37:24,900
ends up as one of his Mol there
are court records that have come
606
00:37:24,900 –> 00:37:27,800
out.
That include Paul Simkins text
607
00:37:27,800 –> 00:37:33,800
messages to Fat Leonard and
they’re a little damning if I’m
608
00:37:33,800 –> 00:37:36,800
completely honest slightly.
Yeah.
609
00:37:37,000 –> 00:37:40,000
Like the one that says can you
set up some clean?
610
00:37:40,000 –> 00:37:42,600
Disease-free women when I am
there?
611
00:37:42,900 –> 00:37:45,600
What if he wrote back and was
like disease-free?
612
00:37:45,600 –> 00:37:49,200
No again, Paul’s like, okay
that’s fine.
613
00:37:49,200 –> 00:37:52,200
As long as they’re clean this
long.
614
00:37:52,300 –> 00:37:57,100
As I shower.
Yeah, I mean you know, I guess
615
00:37:57,100 –> 00:38:01,600
there’s some wiggle room there
where you can say he was it
616
00:38:01,600 –> 00:38:07,200
technically talking about sex
workers, well then then he
617
00:38:07,200 –> 00:38:10,700
followed up a few days later.
What’s the plan to meet up and
618
00:38:10,700 –> 00:38:13,800
maybe do some Honeys like my God
Paul.
619
00:38:13,800 –> 00:38:15,400
What year is it?
Whatever.
620
00:38:15,400 –> 00:38:18,900
Year it was no one said it that
way ever.
621
00:38:19,400 –> 00:38:22,600
What do some Honey’s?
Who some honeys.
622
00:38:24,400 –> 00:38:27,500
To do Honey’s.
My God.
623
00:38:27,500 –> 00:38:31,700
Paul is his gross but it really
does seem like the 7th.
624
00:38:31,700 –> 00:38:34,700
Fleet was his biggest
accomplishment and they’re
625
00:38:34,700 –> 00:38:38,400
supposed to be like the most
prestigious of all the Navy
626
00:38:38,400 –> 00:38:40,200
fleets, right?
Yeah.
627
00:38:40,300 –> 00:38:44,500
The other ones that protect our
most sensitive Waters.
628
00:38:44,600 –> 00:38:47,800
They have had a rash of
unexplained accidents over the
629
00:38:47,800 –> 00:38:52,600
past few years that they swear
are not the result of Russia and
630
00:38:52,600 –> 00:38:57,600
China being able to jam their
outdated navigation systems.
631
00:38:57,600 –> 00:39:02,000
And they also for some reason it
seems like a bunch of people
632
00:39:02,000 –> 00:39:04,900
know, all of our classified
shipping routes.
633
00:39:06,100 –> 00:39:09,400
Yeah, it’s crazy.
And like, yeah, think about, if
634
00:39:09,400 –> 00:39:13,900
this problem is this bad, if
just fuckface who owns a
635
00:39:13,900 –> 00:39:18,800
shipping company, is able to get
in with the 7th Fleet and over
636
00:39:18,800 –> 00:39:22,500
the course of 25 years, they say
the amount he built from them is
637
00:39:22,500 –> 00:39:26,100
35 million.
It’s Out to be so much more than
638
00:39:26,100 –> 00:39:29,300
that.
Yeah, thank if he’s charging
639
00:39:29,300 –> 00:39:36,000
600,000 per toilet flush.
Like it can’t be in the millions
640
00:39:36,000 –> 00:39:39,700
It’s gotta be more than that.
And yeah they’re supposed to be
641
00:39:39,700 –> 00:39:45,800
the top level of Navy excellence
and their fallen prey to Fat
642
00:39:45,800 –> 00:39:49,400
Leonard like how many other fat
Leonard’s are out there using
643
00:39:49,400 –> 00:39:53,000
the information they’re getting
for other reasons?
644
00:39:53,500 –> 00:39:56,600
Besides.
Just making money dump and shit
645
00:39:56,600 –> 00:39:59,400
into the Indian Ocean or
whatever the fuck he was doing.
646
00:39:59,400 –> 00:40:04,600
I mean, that sounds right so far
just from the 7th Fleet for
647
00:40:04,600 –> 00:40:08,500
officers and an enlisted sailor.
Who worked there have pleaded
648
00:40:08,500 –> 00:40:13,500
guilty to taking bribes from
Francis so far, mmm, and court
649
00:40:13,500 –> 00:40:16,900
records again, I feel like the
speaks to maybe him not doing
650
00:40:16,900 –> 00:40:19,400
this on his own.
They show he would groom his
651
00:40:19,400 –> 00:40:23,200
targets like a spy, would he
would ya look for people with
652
00:40:23,200 –> 00:40:26,700
money problems.
Marital problems, alcohol
653
00:40:26,700 –> 00:40:31,100
addiction loneliness.
It says lust at one point and
654
00:40:31,100 –> 00:40:34,200
it’s like who’s going?
I mean if he’s got the money I’m
655
00:40:34,200 –> 00:40:37,300
sure he could hire his own
private firm to go out and do
656
00:40:37,300 –> 00:40:41,100
that research.
But sure this is like Espionage
657
00:40:41,300 –> 00:40:48,000
yeah easy if very much is and he
also not only like sex was his
658
00:40:48,000 –> 00:40:52,000
most effective bribery tool but
he would also powwow with those
659
00:40:52,000 –> 00:40:57,300
sex workers after and Get
information on the various Navy
660
00:40:57,300 –> 00:41:03,500
officials like sexual leanings.
And yeah, you know, just like
661
00:41:03,900 –> 00:41:06,900
use that in whatever way he
could later on.
662
00:41:06,900 –> 00:41:13,400
Look, if you’re bribing the Navy
with sex, you need to know what
663
00:41:13,400 –> 00:41:17,100
kind of sex the Navy wants.
Exactly.
664
00:41:17,400 –> 00:41:20,000
That’s just good customer
service honestly.
665
00:41:20,000 –> 00:41:22,900
Yeah, it’s like when websites
track your data.
666
00:41:22,900 –> 00:41:24,300
It’s just a feed.
You better.
667
00:41:24,500 –> 00:41:26,900
Ads.
That’s all exactly, that’s all
668
00:41:26,900 –> 00:41:29,900
nothing that they use it baby.
Don’t worry.
669
00:41:29,900 –> 00:41:32,500
Oh, and there’s no human
trafficking involved at all.
670
00:41:32,800 –> 00:41:36,900
No, never not ever in anything.
I don’t think human trafficking
671
00:41:36,900 –> 00:41:39,800
is a fake.
Yeah, I think that’s our next
672
00:41:39,800 –> 00:41:40,600
episode.
Yeah.
673
00:41:40,600 –> 00:41:44,900
Coming next on conspiracy to
show you miss a fucking myth.
674
00:41:45,500 –> 00:41:49,500
It’s actually aliens.
Oh, that makes sense.
675
00:41:49,700 –> 00:41:53,000
Right?
So yeah, one of the ways he was
676
00:41:53,000 –> 00:41:57,700
able to go for so long without
getting caught in the still, I
677
00:41:57,700 –> 00:42:00,400
feel like they’re not giving us
all the information here.
678
00:42:00,400 –> 00:42:03,900
He was able to flip a law,
enforcement official, a guy who
679
00:42:03,900 –> 00:42:09,100
worked in NCIS right?
Alongside Mark Harmon and
680
00:42:09,500 –> 00:42:12,000
there’s and that’s the, you
know, it’s tough to track that
681
00:42:12,000 –> 00:42:15,300
guy that because there’s so many
branches of the Australian.
682
00:42:15,300 –> 00:42:17,500
Sea is franchises.
Yeah.
683
00:42:17,800 –> 00:42:19,300
Right.
Is he in Los Angeles?
684
00:42:19,300 –> 00:42:21,800
Is he in New Orleans?
I don’t know.
685
00:42:21,800 –> 00:42:24,200
Yeah, I like that.
Mark Harmon’s character on that.
686
00:42:24,400 –> 00:42:28,000
His name is like Jethro Leroy
Gibbs or something.
687
00:42:28,000 –> 00:42:30,800
It’s not really come on.
What are you a fucking delta
688
00:42:30,800 –> 00:42:35,700
blues musician style.
You know, I’ve never watched any
689
00:42:35,700 –> 00:42:40,500
episode of any NCIS series.
I have yet to see a single NCIS
690
00:42:40,500 –> 00:42:42,300
episode as well.
I used to watch.
691
00:42:42,300 –> 00:42:47,400
Jag does jag get involved in
this probably, this is, yeah,
692
00:42:47,400 –> 00:42:49,900
this feels like Jag territory,
doesn’t it?
693
00:42:50,600 –> 00:42:52,900
Yeah, we’re Judge Advocate.
General action.
694
00:42:53,200 –> 00:42:56,200
Is that what that man?
That I have no idea.
695
00:42:58,600 –> 00:43:01,400
I never knew what it meant.
I just knew that they have like,
696
00:43:01,600 –> 00:43:07,300
you know, wore hats and suits
and stuff, and they like, you
697
00:43:07,300 –> 00:43:11,100
know, arrested naval officers
and shit.
698
00:43:11,100 –> 00:43:15,000
That’s all I remember about Jag.
This reminds me of that time
699
00:43:15,100 –> 00:43:17,900
comedian.
Harlan Williams was co-hosting,
700
00:43:17,900 –> 00:43:21,800
some late night, talk show, and
the guest was from the TV show
701
00:43:21,800 –> 00:43:25,900
e.r. and just completely joke.
Getting his first question, he
702
00:43:25,900 –> 00:43:29,000
goes right off the bat.
ER, what’s it stand for?
703
00:43:29,300 –> 00:43:39,100
And she didn’t fucking know.
Oh, no, most awkward things I’ve
704
00:43:39,100 –> 00:43:41,100
ever seen.
He had to be like, emergency
705
00:43:41,100 –> 00:43:43,700
room.
It means emergency room where
706
00:43:43,700 –> 00:43:48,200
the show takes place good times.
That’s I mean that one’s really
707
00:43:48,200 –> 00:43:51,400
common press pretty bad.
Yeah.
708
00:43:51,400 –> 00:43:54,300
That’s pretty bad, Jag.
Yeah, I looked it up.
709
00:43:54,300 –> 00:43:57,300
The Judge Advocate General.
Yeah, I don’t know how I knew
710
00:43:57,300 –> 00:43:59,300
that.
I think I probably looked it up
711
00:43:59,300 –> 00:44:03,500
at some point when that show was
on the air but like yeah, wow
712
00:44:03,600 –> 00:44:07,900
that’s wild and this guy he
flipped with an NCIS, his name
713
00:44:07,900 –> 00:44:11,700
was John beliveau the second he
was based in Singapore and later
714
00:44:11,700 –> 00:44:16,100
at Quantico and in exchange for
prostitutes and cash and other
715
00:44:16,100 –> 00:44:21,900
favors he would tap into in NCIS
database to let Francis know
716
00:44:22,300 –> 00:44:27,000
what kind of information.
They had on him and how any
717
00:44:27,400 –> 00:44:31,600
investigations into his
activities were progressing and
718
00:44:32,000 –> 00:44:35,900
this is where there’s another
big leap, where they say, well
719
00:44:35,900 –> 00:44:39,800
once they realized he had
infiltrated NCIS.
720
00:44:39,900 –> 00:44:43,300
That’s when they decided it was
time to take him down.
721
00:44:43,500 –> 00:44:45,400
It’s like, what what do you
mean?
722
00:44:45,400 –> 00:44:49,600
Like what would you like?
If everyone else had a vested
723
00:44:49,600 –> 00:44:52,300
interest in him, keeping this
going like?
724
00:44:52,300 –> 00:44:55,700
Why would him infiltrating the
NCIS be a problem.
725
00:44:55,700 –> 00:44:59,400
There’s there’s yeah something
they’re not telling us about
726
00:44:59,400 –> 00:45:03,100
this guy because it’s it feels
like almost like a Saddam
727
00:45:03,100 –> 00:45:06,600
Hussein kind of thing where it’s
like, okay you’re our friend,
728
00:45:06,600 –> 00:45:08,000
you’re a friend.
You’re a friend, you’re a
729
00:45:08,000 –> 00:45:09,100
friend.
All right, now you’re not our
730
00:45:09,100 –> 00:45:12,200
friend like that, right.
There are so many people on the
731
00:45:12,200 –> 00:45:17,600
world stage who have fallen
victim to that fucking Manuel.
732
00:45:17,600 –> 00:45:22,000
Noriega was sugar longest time,
a very good friend of the United
733
00:45:22,000 –> 00:45:24,200
States.
And then he said the wrong.
734
00:45:24,400 –> 00:45:26,000
Thing one time.
And we were like.
735
00:45:26,100 –> 00:45:29,800
All right.
No more we are coming after you.
736
00:45:30,100 –> 00:45:34,300
Like I feel like this guy had to
have done something.
737
00:45:34,300 –> 00:45:36,200
Yeah.
Or maybe they did find out, he
738
00:45:36,200 –> 00:45:39,800
was working with Russia, maybe
that would make sense.
739
00:45:40,100 –> 00:45:45,500
There are definitely a lot of
real large pieces of this story
740
00:45:45,500 –> 00:45:49,900
that are still under explained.
Yeah, they what they end up
741
00:45:49,900 –> 00:45:53,100
doing.
Is they plant fake information
742
00:45:53,100 –> 00:45:57,800
within NCI, IIs that says all
investigations into this guy
743
00:45:57,800 –> 00:46:01,800
have ended and then that
information gets back to him and
744
00:46:01,800 –> 00:46:04,700
then it just says that they set
up another meeting with him in
745
00:46:04,707 –> 00:46:09,400
San Diego, where he like, agreed
to go along with some corruption
746
00:46:09,400 –> 00:46:13,300
is like, that seems too easy.
Like there’s yeah, that’s
747
00:46:13,300 –> 00:46:15,900
there’s, I feel like there’s a
detail missing.
748
00:46:15,900 –> 00:46:19,900
There’s there’s definitely
details missing and I would say
749
00:46:19,900 –> 00:46:27,100
like personally if I were And
being the United States military
750
00:46:27,200 –> 00:46:30,400
over the course of multiple
decades.
751
00:46:30,700 –> 00:46:35,300
I would never go to the United
States ever know that seems like
752
00:46:35,300 –> 00:46:39,000
a trap.
Yeah, and the fact that the
753
00:46:39,000 –> 00:46:42,900
first place he goes when he
because what we haven’t
754
00:46:42,900 –> 00:46:46,700
mentioned, he ends up getting
arrested that’s after he agrees
755
00:46:46,700 –> 00:46:49,400
to this meeting in San Diego.
And yeah, the going back to the
756
00:46:49,400 –> 00:46:54,100
us as a weird choice and he ends
up getting arrested but then
757
00:46:54,300 –> 00:46:57,700
Apparently, where he was being
held, there was very lacks
758
00:46:57,700 –> 00:46:59,500
security.
So, no kidding.
759
00:46:59,800 –> 00:47:03,000
Well actually, when I say that
what I mean, is the home where
760
00:47:03,000 –> 00:47:07,400
he was under house, arrest in
San Diego, ours had 40 lakhs
761
00:47:07,400 –> 00:47:10,700
security, which again, this
guy’s got some fucking
762
00:47:10,700 –> 00:47:13,800
connections if he’s only getting
house arrest over this.
763
00:47:14,000 –> 00:47:18,000
Yeah, I think that’s fair to say
he was wearing an ankle monitor
764
00:47:18,100 –> 00:47:22,000
and he cut it off and apparently
that happened at like, 8:00 in
765
00:47:22,000 –> 00:47:26,000
the morning and the news of
that, Didn’t reach the law
766
00:47:26,000 –> 00:47:28,000
enforcement.
People who needed to know about
767
00:47:28,000 –> 00:47:32,000
it until like two and he’s like,
already in San Diego, which is
768
00:47:32,000 –> 00:47:36,200
basically Mexico.
Sorry, he was able to get to
769
00:47:36,200 –> 00:47:41,500
Mexico, but he was finally
caught in Venezuela and the fact
770
00:47:41,500 –> 00:47:44,800
that Venezuela turned him over
to the US.
771
00:47:45,300 –> 00:47:49,200
It’s not like we’ve gotten along
swimmingly over the past few
772
00:47:49,200 –> 00:47:52,800
years, you know, and I did see
it mentioned in a headline that
773
00:47:52,800 –> 00:47:56,100
was unfortunately behind a A
wall that I wasn’t willing to
774
00:47:56,100 –> 00:48:00,600
stomach the charge for their he
might end up kind of being a
775
00:48:00,600 –> 00:48:05,900
tool in diplomatic relations
between Venezuela and the US.
776
00:48:06,000 –> 00:48:10,400
Hmm which I think what’s still
speak to maybe him having done
777
00:48:10,400 –> 00:48:14,200
this on behalf of a foreign
government.
778
00:48:14,200 –> 00:48:17,700
Maybe maybe, yeah.
Because it did come out that
779
00:48:17,700 –> 00:48:22,900
when he fled he was trying to
get to Russia, right and Russia
780
00:48:22,900 –> 00:48:26,800
and Venezuela have Add pretty
cool relations recently.
781
00:48:26,800 –> 00:48:30,000
I think cool relations in
political terms means bad.
782
00:48:30,700 –> 00:48:35,100
They’re had good relations in
recent years, and I feel like he
783
00:48:35,100 –> 00:48:38,900
thought he was going to get to
Venezuela and be like, hey, I’ve
784
00:48:38,900 –> 00:48:41,500
been spying for Russia.
I need you to get me to Russia
785
00:48:41,800 –> 00:48:44,300
and they were like them.
Oh, really?
786
00:48:44,400 –> 00:48:48,200
And now they have him and they
can, you know, kind of get
787
00:48:48,200 –> 00:48:50,900
whatever they want out of the
u.s. in return because it would
788
00:48:50,900 –> 00:48:53,900
be super embarrassing.
If it came out that this guy was
789
00:48:53,900 –> 00:48:57,200
all, Also a Russian spy, right?
Yeah.
790
00:48:57,200 –> 00:49:00,100
I feel like if he was, we
probably won’t know.
791
00:49:00,600 –> 00:49:04,100
No, I mean, unless it’s an
accident but like, yeah.
792
00:49:04,200 –> 00:49:09,200
But, sleep, Safe, America fat
Leonard is back in custody.
793
00:49:09,300 –> 00:49:13,000
Thank God.
And I was worried the sex worker
794
00:49:13,000 –> 00:49:18,400
industry in Thailand and the
Philippines is hurting right
795
00:49:18,400 –> 00:49:20,100
now.
Oh yeah, I’m sure.
796
00:49:20,100 –> 00:49:24,100
You’ve is like, f the business.
That’s yeah, he has pulled the
797
00:49:24,300 –> 00:49:26,000
And out from under that
industry.
798
00:49:26,000 –> 00:49:29,300
It’s like Wendy’s.
Only fans tried to ban porn.
799
00:49:29,400 –> 00:49:31,500
Oh my God.
Yeah, there was an uprising.
800
00:49:31,500 –> 00:49:33,700
Yeah.
This is going to start a war
801
00:49:33,700 –> 00:49:36,800
between us and Thailand and the
Philippines.
802
00:49:36,900 –> 00:49:41,800
Yeah, free fat Leonard.
I mean, don’t I don’t care, we
803
00:49:41,800 –> 00:49:43,700
free, I don’t care.
I don’t know.
804
00:49:43,700 –> 00:49:46,900
I don’t know enough about like
there’s so many weird things
805
00:49:46,900 –> 00:49:49,800
around like, again.
I don’t know where these women.
806
00:49:50,100 –> 00:49:53,900
Yeah, I need never detailed.
I need to know what kind of help
807
00:49:53,900 –> 00:49:57,700
he Getting I need to know where
the women came from, right?
808
00:49:57,700 –> 00:50:00,700
Because yeah.
Like you here you here some
809
00:50:00,700 –> 00:50:05,700
horror stories like you you hear
about fucking human trafficking
810
00:50:05,700 –> 00:50:09,600
at like nail salons and shit.
Like if you look into there are
811
00:50:09,600 –> 00:50:13,600
certain Visa programs that are
all in all a good thing.
812
00:50:13,600 –> 00:50:18,400
But just so Rife with abuse and
people getting, I mean human
813
00:50:18,400 –> 00:50:23,500
trafficked into working fucking
20 hours a day at a McDonald’s
814
00:50:23,500 –> 00:50:27,500
franchise.
New Jersey, like I heard about,
815
00:50:27,600 –> 00:50:30,700
I’ve heard a theory about like
kids who were getting traffic
816
00:50:30,700 –> 00:50:35,000
through a pizza place.
Like it’s a you know it oh yeah
817
00:50:35,000 –> 00:50:38,400
the one in Z the one in DC with
the torture basement.
818
00:50:38,400 –> 00:50:39,500
Right?
Exactly.
819
00:50:39,600 –> 00:50:46,800
So yeah, fat Leonard is back in
custody and I am fascinated to
820
00:50:46,800 –> 00:50:50,900
find out what kind of additional
details are going to come out
821
00:50:51,000 –> 00:50:53,200
about this stuff.
Yeah, I’m curious.
822
00:50:53,400 –> 00:50:55,900
Oh man.
There’s I feel there’s got to be
823
00:50:55,900 –> 00:50:58,700
more to it.
There’s, he had her like he did
824
00:50:58,700 –> 00:51:03,200
something to get caught or to
like fall out of favor with the
825
00:51:03,200 –> 00:51:06,300
people protecting him.
And yeah, I need to know where
826
00:51:06,300 –> 00:51:10,200
the girls came from that.
Yeah, before I get to do, this
827
00:51:10,200 –> 00:51:13,700
is a victimless crime about it,
right?
828
00:51:13,700 –> 00:51:16,300
I do need to know how he had
access to all those.
829
00:51:16,600 –> 00:51:20,500
Women ran what department of the
CIA provided them?
830
00:51:21,000 –> 00:51:24,100
So maybe we’ll do a follow up
when we find out all that, but
831
00:51:24,200 –> 00:51:28,300
Then I think that’s our episode.
Yeah.
832
00:51:28,400 –> 00:51:31,400
I think so.
Do we have anything to plug?
833
00:51:31,400 –> 00:51:34,000
There’s a new episode of going
back.
834
00:51:34,100 –> 00:51:35,900
Coming out this week.
It was supposed to be out a
835
00:51:35,900 –> 00:51:39,300
couple weeks ago, but putting
the studio together is taken it
836
00:51:39,300 –> 00:51:41,600
out of me.
I said you’ve been busy, my
837
00:51:41,600 –> 00:51:45,700
schedule has been nuts, but that
new episode will be up.
838
00:51:45,800 –> 00:51:49,300
And yeah, well that’s watch
going up.
839
00:51:49,300 –> 00:51:51,800
Not watch.
Listen to going back.
840
00:51:51,800 –> 00:51:54,000
Watch Lost.
Watch Lost.
841
00:51:54,200 –> 00:51:57,600
I just found out Jen Scott and
Jessica singer my co-host on
842
00:51:57,600 –> 00:51:59,500
Trend.
Pony are completely
843
00:51:59,500 –> 00:52:03,800
independently of that podcast
also re-watching lost.
844
00:52:04,200 –> 00:52:06,000
Oh, hell yeah, we should have
them on.
845
00:52:06,100 –> 00:52:07,700
Yeah, we talked about it on
Trend.
846
00:52:07,700 –> 00:52:08,900
Pony will definitely have them
on.
847
00:52:08,900 –> 00:52:13,200
They got to catch up nice but so
yeah listen to that.
848
00:52:13,200 –> 00:52:16,700
It’s right now on the bonus
feeds on patreon and super cast
849
00:52:16,700 –> 00:52:20,600
and Spotify but it’ll be out
publicly soon but if you’re a
850
00:52:20,607 –> 00:52:23,500
subscriber you get it.
Now you lucky bastards.
851
00:52:23,700 –> 00:52:24,400
Wow.
Wow.
852
00:52:24,400 –> 00:52:27,400
And that’s all I got to plug.
You got anything?
853
00:52:27,600 –> 00:52:29,500
No.
Then we should probably get out
854
00:52:29,500 –> 00:52:32,100
of here.
Olivia, say goodbye.
855
00:52:32,300 –> 00:52:34,200
Hey, goodbye everybody.
We love you.
856
00:52:39,600 –> 00:52:40,500
People of Earth.