Conspiracy! The Show 213: What Exxon Knew About Global Warming

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Welcome to conspiracy the show.
The world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast with
your host, Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia haydar Hey everybody,
Welcome to conspiracy the show.

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I’m Adam, Todd Brown and I’m
Olivia hide, our, and that makes

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us your hosts, Olivia.
How is it going?

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You know, since the last time we
talked and, uh, things are going

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a little better.
I would say, you know, it’s

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good.
I kind of got the Charles Hall

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out of my system and I’m feeling
good.

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Yeah, that last documentary, we
watched was a whole lot.

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Mmm.
Well, it was a whole lot of not

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much.
Yes, It’s a better way to put it

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this week, though.
We’re talking about some shit.

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Yeah, this is something.
I guess I knew in the broad

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sense in the back of my mind
forever that oil companies knew

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a little more about global
warming and climate change than

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they let on, and that they
didn’t really do that much about

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it.
But I never knew the specifics

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and I never knew how
specifically just one company,

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really spearheaded all of that
until Like what?

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Yeah, it’s and specifically
like, one, dude.

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In that company, really,
obviously the entire company

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kind of, you know, is fucked up.
But there’s mainly one Central

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villain who is still active and
well, you know, he’s not

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anymore.
But anyway, it’s crazy.

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I’ve obviously known that.
The oil Lobby is massive in that

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they are doing everything in
their power, to prevent

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regulation that could ease
climate change.

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I just didn’t know.
Specifically, how fucked up what

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they were doing was?
Yeah, same and all of that is

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talked about in the three parts
Paramount plus documentary Black

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Gold.
Yeah, which covers the story of

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how Exxon in particular and
their eventual CEO, Lee,

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Raymond.
Yeah, knew about things like the

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Greenhouse Effect and global
warming decades.

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Yeah.
Before just kind of the general.

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Like before a lot of science you
about it, like the absolute last

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group of people, you would want
to know about it.

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First found out about it first,
right?

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And that was yes on and they
actively tried to cover it all

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up.
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And you know I just want to say
Paramount plus Beyond how I

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could have ever predicted has
become like a really good

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Network.
There’s a lot.

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Really good shit on Paramount
plus right now.

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You know we were talking about
doing watch alongs.

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Have you watched the Waco series
on Paramount plus oh shit.

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That would be the only way that
I would.

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Well, it’s it’s very good for
one thing Taylor.

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Sure, I’m sure plays fucking
David koresh, right?

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And he is fantastic.
It’s a very lenient view toward

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the Branch Davidians but here’s
the thing, the Branch Davidians

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were kind of mischaracterized in
the media.

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They weren’t white nationalists.
David koresh res, a creep and

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Dad apparently marry a 14 year
old, but I think the reason it’s

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so deferential to the Branch
Davidians is because in what

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world is the solution to?
Hey, that guy, married a

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fourteen-year-old.
Let’s burn down the compound

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with kids in it, right?
Lot of questions that need to be

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answered there.
Yeah, that mean the ATF and the

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FBI are clearly the bad guys of
that story.

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I mean you know that’s how it
goes.

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Yeah it’s good though.
The series is very sure, I’m

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sure it’s good.
It’s just Now, a show that I

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would ever seek out on my own,
you know, I’m going to watch

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something with like magic or
something.

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It’s no magic in that.
It was a weird choice to like

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that series.
Like was the thing that was

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supposed to kick off the
Paramount Plus network?

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Yeah, another good choice.
The Waco series and not long

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after, that was announced all
the Harvey Weinstein stuff

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happened.
As if someone in the FBI was

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like, oh, you think so?
You think yeah, the Waco series

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we know what you’ve been up to?
Well, I mean, yeah, Star Trek

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was always going to be the major
seller for the Paramount plus

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and you know, after three years,
they got a series that rules

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strange, new worlds.
This is one of the best TV shows

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in a while.
Yeah, I haven’t watched it, but

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I should.
It’s so good.

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It’s like a real TV show.
That’s the thing that I love the

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most about it is it doesn’t feel
like a streaming show.

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Yeah, you mentioned that.
So anyway, anyway, A Paramount

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plus they’re good, check them
out.

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They are this documentary, it’s
very well done.

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It’s like a CBS News production,
you can tell they’ve got some

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money behind it because, yes,
one of the issues with the

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documentary we covered on last
week’s bonus episode is that

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it’s kind of just one guy
looking at the camera rambling,

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aimlessly for an hour and 20
minutes.

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Yes, it is.
There is an absolutely

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jaw-dropping number of Talking
Heads in this Because they start

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coming in hot right away and so
much so that I like went back

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and started counting in writing
all their names down and I don’t

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remember the count.
But we have Amy Westervelt

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investigative journalist.
Ed Garvey, Exxon, researcher

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Richard, work Hammer, Exxon,
corporate research manager,

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Jerry to, I’m not going to read
them all.

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I’m just joking.
Yeah just like yeah there’s so

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many five or Thirty people and
every once in a while they’re

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like description will change,
right?

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There’s one guy but then Franta
PhD Applied Physics, Harvard

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University, and climate
accountability, researcher

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Stanford University, just
ranges.

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Yeah, I will say if I have one
gripe with the documentary, it’s

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that it didn’t bring their name
up enough.

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I think when you have this many
Talking Heads, you kind of have

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to have their name on screen
whenever they’re talking.

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Yes, anytime now because it’s
very difficult to remember who

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is who and when Did show their
name.

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It was very quick, very quick
because we do this a lot where

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we have to cover documentaries
and like take notes about them.

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Yes.
And it was a thing.

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I noticed with this one like
when someone’s name would come

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up I’d try to just type it out
and keep things moving and it

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right.
Popped up so quick that I would

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have to pause and Rewind kind of
my only gripe about this.

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I think they sort of yeah
overdid it with the amount of

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people telling a story that it
really only needed a few people

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to Tell it I mean yeah but I
don’t mind having no this many

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people when they all have a
different enough perspective on

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the events.
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Yeah.
My only gripe is just that I

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couldn’t remember who everybody
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Always, I remember the nun.
And I remember Jim Hansen and I

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remember Raymond Lee.
Raymond Lee, right?

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And that’s about it.
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Lee Raymond that guy.
You don’t want to, you know,

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make fun of a person for having
Cleft palate, which he has no

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and I’m not going to, but I will
say that it’s very appropriate

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that his makes his mouth like
permanent Grumpy Cat shape.

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Yes, he’s got a pronounced frown
all the time, and it’s because

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of the cleft palate, but he
should like he should drown all

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the time.
I get the feeling that even if

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he did not have a cleft palate,
he wouldn’t smile a whole bunch.

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This is like We were talking
about the GM streetcar thing,

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and whenever a GM guy would pop
up on that and they just look

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like they don’t even know what
the word fun means, you know,

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that’s just the vibe you get
their whole life is money and

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that’s it.
And that destroys your body

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because you are unable to like
project Humanity.

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I don’t know how else to put it.
Yeah, this guy is cartoon evil.

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Yes, he’s movie Evil.
This should be a move.

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Absolutely.
And I would be sure definitely

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parts of it.
That could be.

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Absolutely, I’d be shocked if
it’s not at some point.

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I wouldn’t because the oil
lobby, as we’ve learned through.

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These three episodes are
exceptionally powerful and

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really good at media management
or at least used to be, they’ll

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probably make the movie someday
and will be the hero who fought

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global warming and worry.
Yeah, he’ll be played by Colin

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Farrell.
So it’s three kinda looks like

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the penguin.
Oh yeah, yeah, he’s got that

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kind of look to yeah.
So again it’s three parts, part

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one, it’s called apocalypse
later.

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And it talks about how back in
the late 60s, early 70s, all

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these companies like Bell Labs,
especially we’re just doing all

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this cool research.
Technology had Advanced to a

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point where we had a lot of
stuff to work with and see what

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we could do with it and eggs on
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They want to be that they don’t
just want to be in oil.

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Company, they want to be Energy
company.

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They want to be an engineering
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They want to be Bell Labs, so if
we’re thinking.

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Yeah, so they poach Bell Labs,
top researcher and they set up

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their own version of bell labs
and engineering and research

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wing of eggs on.
And the point of the early, part

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of this documentary, seems to be
to drive home, how good Exxon

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scientists were at this point.
And I think, That’s important.

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Yeah.
How did the scientists were and

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how little Direction they were?
Given from the higher-ups, like,

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there was no pressure seemingly
to make it look like boil was

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the weight forward.
The whole point was seeing what

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the options were for the future,
right?

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And some of those scientists
were working on climate change,

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and just like climate science
and like, just kind of casually.

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Looking into, you know, the
impact of fossil, fuels and

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burning oil on the environment
in fangs and stuff like the

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greenhouse effect global
warming.

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None of that was really known at
the time, right?

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And there’s the senior scientist
James Black considered the most

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distinguished of their senior
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He’s given an assignment to
write up a memo about climate

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change and carbon dioxide, and
that memo is called the

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Greenhouse Effect and that was
in 1978 so more than 40 years

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ago.
Now, yeah, the while back and he

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tells the company in this memo
that they along with Humanity,

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basically have about a five-year
window where we need to start

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addressing this before.
Things get very bad.

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Yeah.
Well, good thing things are fine

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now.
Yeah, this is a story about how

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Exxon got ahead of that shit and
global warming is a hoax.

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Right.
It’s actually not that don’t get

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no it’s not don’t get excited.
Trump supporters so Jim Hansen,

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not the Muppets guy.
No, no, I’m Hansen.

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Jim Hansen, researcher and
scientist from the University of

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Iowa.
He comes to a similar conclusion

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around this time and Exxon
starts looking into all of this

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and they decide that if they’re
part of the discussion they can

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help kind of dictate policy.
Right.

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So they form all of these
Partnerships With scientists and

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this one Exon researcher, in
particular, Henry, Shaw finds

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out that scientists have two
main questions, which is how

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much CO2 can the ocean store and
what is the contribution of

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fossil fuels compared to
deforestation, in terms of

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contributing CO2, to the
environment?

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And I feel like I’m carrying on
for a long time and getting a

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little sciency and whatnot.
The documentary kind of does the

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same but the As Exxon at this
point in history had really good

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scientists who found out the
Greenhouse Effect and global

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warming were thing right.
Way back when your parents were

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in school long, long time ago,
right?

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This being the 70s.
They’re like, well, let’s tell

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the management about this, then
they can do the right thing.

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And then, you know, let’s trust
our Corporation.

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They know what’s right?
And unfortunately, no, yeah.

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It’s interesting because it
seems like they may be were on a

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path to that and then Lee
Raymond steps in.

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Yes, he is again, a movie
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Yes, there’s a former Exxon
scientist in this.

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Who one doesn’t even want to be
identified on camera and he

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says, what Lee Raymond did the
way he describes it is he moved

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the culture of X onto the right
right.

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Which is Kind of terrifying to
think that in all oil company is

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being dictated by those same
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politics.
Yeah, they described it like the

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corporate atmosphere was mostly
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an oil company and it’s the 70s
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white dudes mostly working there
but that it wasn’t conservative

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in the way that we understand
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It was more of the old-fashioned
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Even comes in and he starts
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right area that we are more
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America that happened where it
used to be that the employees of

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the corporation were What
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And you want to make to keep
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But then eventually shifted to
know the shareholders are all

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that matters, right?
Profits shareholders.

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That’s it, which is what like
that’s the thinking that Has

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been adopted in general when it
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just life in the United States
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inevitable outcome of a free

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market capitalist like system.
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in this case that attitude is
going to kill millions and

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millions and millions of people.
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Were you surprised to see how
Goering this not particularly

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like I wasn’t expecting it.
Early.

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But I was pleasantly surprised.
I was super duper expecting it

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like he’s got to show up that
would be like a documentary

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about the 1980s crack Bill and
Joe Biden doesn’t show up for

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it.
Sure.

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You are the mouthpiece of that.
Sir, you have to be and like,

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yeah, Al Gore.
This is the point in history,

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where he starts cutting his
teeth as an environmental

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activist because it does start
slowly, trickling out that maybe

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all of us burn in hell.
Boil and sending that into the

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atmosphere might be bad.
How core is extremely

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charismatic and all of his Clips
in this he has such a bad rap

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for being extremely boring guy.
But like in his talking head

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interviews and in all of the
archive Clips he like is very

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funny and knows what he’s
talking about and comes off as a

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really charming and intelligent
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Yeah, I’ve always liked Al Gore.
I do legitimately thing in

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things.
Have been a little better if he

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won in 2000, at least on climate
at the very least, right?

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And there’s a very funny SNL
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He went back and hosted SNL at
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election and the opening bit
like the cold open is him

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imagining, he won and he’s just
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yeah I remember that one.
I think he mentions that 9/11

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happened and he’s like glad we
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Anything rash.
But yeah, Al Gore’s in this a

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lot.
Yeah, I wasn’t surprised but I

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went and saw An Inconvenient
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Yeah, I really liked Al Gore.
I respected him a lot.

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I like that.
He had a stance on the

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environment and this is the
point in history where that all

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starts, if people don’t recall
or no, the late 70s, early 80s

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were a tense time for gas and
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We’re heading, gas and oil
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It was a Whole thing.
So people were really focused on

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the impact of oil in general.
All right our well being and as

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a result of that oil prices drop
in the 80s and Exxon decides

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that to keep quarterly profits
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They have to cut all of those
research projects, hmm that they

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were doing publicly and you know
spend all that money just on oil

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and also Black Ops to keep
people from finding out about

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global warming.
Well, that’s To come.

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And it seems like this was
almost totally Lee Raymond’s

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decision they were at a
Crossroads and he decides.

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Well, all right, we have to get
profits back up.

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So let’s dance with the partner.
We brought we are no longer an

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energy company.
We are no longer a research

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company.
We are an oil company and our

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job is to make profits.
It’s not to find an alternative

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for our own business model,
which again, is, you know, a

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Moral philosophy that will
destroy the planet but makes

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sense if you’re a capitalist and
if you’re like a corporation

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that is logical.
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I guarantee Lee Raymond is a
legend within Exxon.

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You got like a half a billion
dollar Severance he’s a hero.

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He was a good CEO even though he
was an evil CEO, right?

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And it’s also mentioned that
around this time.

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Most of the Search that science
was doing in general, was

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showing that climate change was
The Fault in large part of oil

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companies, ran burning fossil
fuels.

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So it makes sense that Exxon
would kind of step back from

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that research a little bit.
Because by this point in history

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Exxon, kind of knew everything
they needed to know.

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Yeah, like they knew the science
wasn’t wrong and they knew what

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it was going to do to them as a
company.

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Hmm.
And they and lie.

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Raymond made a choice.
It really reminds me a lot of

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the opioid crisis in this
country in that that is also

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kind of just like, one family.
Making a decision that.

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All right.
We know what the truth is, but

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also we have this one thing that
if we want, we can go a

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different way and pretend that
opioids aren’t addictive, and

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that people should be taking
them every day and that decision

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has such dramatic.
Eric consequences on the rest of

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the world.
This is the same thing.

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Yeah, Exxon could have been the
company at the fucking Cutting,

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Edge of climate change research,
and instead, actively decided

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kind of to make it worse, they
could have been making money.

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Lots of money by investing in
and creating really good

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versions of renewable energy
sources, right?

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It might not be as much.
As what you would get from oil.

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And then this is the part where
someone from the company goes,

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okay, that’s all we need to
hear.

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It’s not as much as we get for
boil.

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Thank you.
That’s all it is.

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And this is something out more
harps on a lot.

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For good reason is like, all of
this is just done for a little

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bit more money right in the
grand scheme and that’s it.

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Yeah, it’s evil.
It is, it was an evil decision

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on this company’s part and
that’s, yes, that’s not a word.

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I use a lot.
But no, and it’s not the last

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evil decision know that they
will make.

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Yeah, speaking of that on to
Part 2, this is called Black Ops

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is the name of episode. 20
starts with scenes from the

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Exxon Valdez oil spill.
Yeah, which that happened in

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March 1989.
I don’t think I had ever heard

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this but it’s mentioned that
when that oil spill happened, it

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would have taken an entire day
to fly from one side of that

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oil.
Bill to the other that is but

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Nana’s.
It’s inconceivable like my brain

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is not devolved to picture
something that large, which is

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why I think most people just
kind of shrink it in their

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minds.
And it’s one of those things

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that we think of well that
happened in 1989.

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I bet it’s fine up there now and
it’s not like they say it’s

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cleaned up and they show footage
in this documentary of people on

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beaches where that happened.
And they dig their hand in the

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rocks and it’s just all oil and
gross but it’s disgusting to

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hear Exxon tell it they cleaned
it up it’s fine.

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And so when this happens for
some reason the first person

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they send out a home to deal
with this is this guy named

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Lawrence Rawls?
I think he’s the CEO.

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Yeah.
And there’s this clip of him

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being interviewed about it and
they’re like, well what are the

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plans to fix this?
And he’s like, I’m a CEO.

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I don’t need to know the plans.
Do call me when it’s Fixed.

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Right?
They explained it and I think it

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makes sense when they say like
he is from the old school.

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Even at that time of corporate
management, where he just is

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only focused on the absolute
specifics of his job and can’t

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conceive of why anybody would
want to know what the CEO of the

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company thinks about this on the
ground matter.

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Like, He doesn’t have any sort
of idea, of being a public

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facing individual.
Yeah, they show a couple clips

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of him.
It’s fucking wild.

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He’s like yelling at people and
shit.

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It’s insane.
Like he’s an idiot and then

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asshole.
Yeah, it’s like those clips of

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Reagan on the campaign Trail.
Just like screaming it.

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Black people for not listening
to him.

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Yeah, very awkward stuff.
So, I get why they replaced this

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guy?
I don’t get why they never

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replaced Reagan.
Well, I mean, this is how evil

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this company is to lessen.
The pr impact because they’ve

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sent Lawrence Rawls out and he’s
made a mockery of everything.

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Next, they send out Lee Raymond.
It’s like that.

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He’s playing good cop here.
That’s nice.

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Yeah, I mean, he is at least not
actively hostile to anybody

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asking him a question.
You know, he at least is like

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I’ll answer your question so I
guess that’s a step up.

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Yeah.
He’s Like, if Lawrence Rawls was

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Trump, Lee, Raymond is like,
jair Bowl scenario where he’s

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like legitimately kind of
handsome and fucking talks fine

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and like, doesn’t say crazy.
I mean, he says crazy shit, but

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it’s just in a better package
somehow.

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Lee, Raymond is the better
package to Lawrence Rawls?

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And this is like his Russian
apartment bombings.

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Like that’s what got Putin in
charge of Russia.

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Like that’s how he ascended
from.

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One to the presidency and the
Exxon Valdez oil.

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Spill is kind of how Lee Raymond
starts making his Ascent to CEO

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of Exxon, which I think he
becomes by like 92.

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So few shortly I did in the 80s
and 90s and Exxon really really

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swings into action at this point
when it comes to PR.

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I would argue just based on what
you see in the documentary, they

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almost become as much a
propaganda coup.

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Company as they are, ya oil
company, which makes sense.

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Yeah, even beyond the propaganda
aspect, it’s that classic

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reputation laundering that you
see a lot where, in addition to

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all of their weird cartoons and
shit.

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They’re also like donating to
the Arts and donating to like

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all of these good organizations
or seemingly good organizations

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but also contributing to
classroom curriculums, right?

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But I mean, Again, this is the
fucking conservative Playbook,

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you know, this is Lee going by
the book.

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You know, the modern
conservative book like you go

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after the kids, you indoctrinate
them in schools and you make it

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so that it doesn’t seem weird
that any of these evil things

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are happening.
It’s just normal.

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Yeah.
And speaking of conservatives

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the documentary at this point
hits on something.

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I don’t think I realized I
definitely didn’t remember it.

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I’m not A climate scholar.
It’s not my favorite conspiracy

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topic by any stretch of the
imagination, but I didn’t

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realize there was a point where
the right were not climate

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deniers, like they show George
Bush campaigning and he’s like

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HW, yeah, George h.w., Bush,
campaigning on this.

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Yeah, important distinction.
When it comes to oil in the

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environment and he’s like,
listen, we’re going to be the

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leaders on this.
We’re going to get ahead of

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this.
We’re going to fix this.

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And in 1992, Bush signs, a
treaty that kind of defines the

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UN framework on climate change.
Absolutely, I found that

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fascinating, I did not know any
of that.

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No, I mean, in my entire little,
not my entire life because this

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was happening in my life.
But, you know, like my adult

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life Teenage life, it’s always
been a very partisan issue.

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Yeah.
I mean, I would have been, you

435
00:26:23,800 –> 00:26:27,500
know, very young when this shirt
so I wouldn’t have remembered

436
00:26:27,500 –> 00:26:29,000
it.
But I also found it fascinating

437
00:26:29,000 –> 00:26:33,400
that when the American
government voted on that it was

438
00:26:33,400 –> 00:26:36,200
just a unanimous vote.
They didn’t even do a roll call.

439
00:26:36,200 –> 00:26:39,300
So we were that close to be in
the country.

440
00:26:39,300 –> 00:26:42,800
That was like, fuck.
Yeah, let’s fix your climate and

441
00:26:42,800 –> 00:26:46,300
then Exxon swoops in and they
talk to an investigative

442
00:26:46,300 –> 00:26:50,300
journalist at this point.
And at this point in history, he

443
00:26:50,300 –> 00:26:55,500
starts looking into exons media
and financial dealings and finds

444
00:26:55,500 –> 00:26:58,700
that they’ve given something
like 16 million dollars which is

445
00:26:58,700 –> 00:27:02,200
just the amount he can trace
through all of these different

446
00:27:02,200 –> 00:27:07,400
media outlets and think tanks.
All in an effort to get them to

447
00:27:07,400 –> 00:27:11,100
put out information that
questions the science behind,

448
00:27:11,100 –> 00:27:13,700
right?
Climate change, so outfits, like

449
00:27:13,700 –> 00:27:17,100
the Cato Institute which is
described in this documentary as

450
00:27:17,100 –> 00:27:20,900
a place for libertarian minded,
Republicans like breaking.

451
00:27:21,300 –> 00:27:25,200
Oh, sounds nice.
The guy really wanted to talk

452
00:27:25,200 –> 00:27:29,200
about was in this Action, not
the Cato Institute guy, but the

453
00:27:29,200 –> 00:27:34,300
guy who was like a professional
climate denier pundit, like they

454
00:27:34,300 –> 00:27:38,700
get him as like an interview and
he’s like talking about how easy

455
00:27:38,700 –> 00:27:43,300
it was for him to do his job.
Because, you know, he talked

456
00:27:43,300 –> 00:27:47,500
about the climate scientists are
like the relying on fear and

457
00:27:47,500 –> 00:27:52,200
scare tactics because it’s a
scary thing climate change and

458
00:27:52,200 –> 00:27:56,700
he’s like, you know, Jim Hansen,
he’s doing us favors, if one

459
00:27:56,700 –> 00:28:00,400
point Talking about like the
oceans are gonna boil or

460
00:28:00,400 –> 00:28:02,800
something.
You know and I love this quote.

461
00:28:02,800 –> 00:28:06,300
He says you know it sounds like
something out of the film

462
00:28:06,300 –> 00:28:08,900
Ghostbusters.
You know what’s going to happen.

463
00:28:09,200 –> 00:28:12,000
If the Stay Puft.
Marshmallow Man, doesn’t save

464
00:28:12,000 –> 00:28:15,200
you at the end and I’m like
that’s not what happens in

465
00:28:15,200 –> 00:28:18,400
Ghostbusters.
You’re right.

466
00:28:18,400 –> 00:28:20,600
Stay Puft.
Marshmallow Man is not the good

467
00:28:20,600 –> 00:28:21,100
guy.
Good.

468
00:28:21,100 –> 00:28:24,400
You are you sure you watch
Ghostbusters?

469
00:28:24,800 –> 00:28:26,500
Yeah.
That guy was a piece of shit.

470
00:28:26,500 –> 00:28:33,800
He Was a real piece of shit like
the worst and someone makes a

471
00:28:33,808 –> 00:28:37,500
really good point in this
section that when it comes to

472
00:28:37,600 –> 00:28:40,600
convincing these right-wing
politicians that.

473
00:28:40,600 –> 00:28:45,100
Oh yeah, you should be fighting
against global warming, right?

474
00:28:45,100 –> 00:28:47,400
Like there’s going to be a
couple of Smart Guys in that

475
00:28:47,400 –> 00:28:51,200
room, but there’s also going to
be a lot of dumb idiots.

476
00:28:51,200 –> 00:28:55,400
Who have no background in
science at all.

477
00:28:55,400 –> 00:28:58,400
And if you get services, Yeah,
exactly.

478
00:28:58,400 –> 00:29:01,600
And if you get an actual
scientist in front of them to

479
00:29:01,600 –> 00:29:06,100
say listen none of this is, as
bad as they’re making it out to

480
00:29:06,100 –> 00:29:09,800
be, which is great because it
would cost you a lot of money.

481
00:29:10,000 –> 00:29:13,900
If it was, of course, they’re
going to side with the person

482
00:29:13,900 –> 00:29:17,100
that’s not going to cost them a
lot of money, that’s how our

483
00:29:17,100 –> 00:29:19,000
government works.
Now, we side with corporate

484
00:29:19,000 –> 00:29:21,200
America.
Yes, that’s kind of what

485
00:29:21,200 –> 00:29:25,200
happened when we were that close
to being proactive on the

486
00:29:25,200 –> 00:29:27,700
environment.
Yeah, it’s Documented

487
00:29:27,700 –> 00:29:32,800
extensively in this series, but
Exxon went on this massive PR

488
00:29:32,800 –> 00:29:36,100
campaign where they reach out to
all of these think tanks

489
00:29:36,100 –> 00:29:39,300
academics.
Anyone, they can get to say,

490
00:29:39,300 –> 00:29:42,900
well, the science isn’t certain,
it’s not 100%.

491
00:29:42,900 –> 00:29:47,600
Yeah, it’s a classic case of,
you know, lobbying special

492
00:29:47,600 –> 00:29:52,000
interests dictating government
policy and with that.

493
00:29:52,000 –> 00:29:56,700
The science isn’t 100%, it’s not
confirmed, that’s the same route

494
00:29:56,700 –> 00:30:00,300
that Backhoe into Street took,
of course, because the thing

495
00:30:00,300 –> 00:30:03,000
about science is it’s never
certain.

496
00:30:03,300 –> 00:30:07,500
No, that’s the point.
It’s all your as certain as you

497
00:30:07,500 –> 00:30:10,000
are able to be with the
information that you have,

498
00:30:10,000 –> 00:30:12,900
right?
And tobacco and oil companies

499
00:30:12,900 –> 00:30:16,500
both seized on that.
And that’s where these claims

500
00:30:16,500 –> 00:30:18,600
about.
Well, there’s no definitive

501
00:30:18,600 –> 00:30:22,800
evidence that either of these
products are harmful, tobacco,

502
00:30:22,800 –> 00:30:25,400
or oil, and it’s like, yes,
there is.

503
00:30:25,700 –> 00:30:29,000
There obviously is Is and
there’s a great quote doubt is

504
00:30:29,000 –> 00:30:32,000
the product.
That was a quote from, I think

505
00:30:32,000 –> 00:30:35,200
it’s a backhoe executive and
that’s all they need.

506
00:30:35,200 –> 00:30:38,600
They just need that one little
opening to say, well, science

507
00:30:38,600 –> 00:30:41,100
isn’t conclusive.
So yeah, and you’re never in

508
00:30:41,100 –> 00:30:44,000
like, any of the climate
scientists, you’re never going

509
00:30:44,000 –> 00:30:49,600
to get them to say, well, it’s
definitely 100% this orbis is

510
00:30:49,600 –> 00:30:53,300
going to happen. 100%, if
they’re a good scientist, they

511
00:30:53,300 –> 00:30:57,600
can just say, based on the data
that we have, this is The most

512
00:30:57,600 –> 00:30:59,800
likely outcome of our current
course.

513
00:31:00,200 –> 00:31:04,200
Right.
And that’s not super persuasive,

514
00:31:04,200 –> 00:31:08,800
two idiots.
So yeah, and it’s pointed out in

515
00:31:08,800 –> 00:31:12,000
the section of the documentary
that this was kind of a criminal

516
00:31:12,000 –> 00:31:15,600
act on.
Yeah, exons heart.

517
00:31:15,600 –> 00:31:19,400
It’s absolutely a thing.
They should be held accountable

518
00:31:19,600 –> 00:31:21,900
for it.
People are trying, right?

519
00:31:21,900 –> 00:31:25,700
It’s certainly a thing that’s in
progress but again this does

520
00:31:25,700 –> 00:31:29,800
feel like Big tobacco.
It feels like the opioid crisis,

521
00:31:29,800 –> 00:31:34,200
it feels like the exact same
thing where it’s people lying in

522
00:31:34,200 –> 00:31:37,000
the name of making more money,
even though they know it’s going

523
00:31:37,000 –> 00:31:41,100
to cost people their lives.
Yes it’s this fundamental

524
00:31:41,100 –> 00:31:47,500
sickness of our country and so
around 1991 is when climate

525
00:31:47,600 –> 00:31:52,200
denial kind of becomes a core
belief of the Republican party

526
00:31:52,200 –> 00:31:55,600
in that short amount of time,
George Bush, the first

527
00:31:55,600 –> 00:31:58,600
campaigning on it.
Adding this historic treaty and

528
00:31:58,600 –> 00:32:02,700
then in the matter of, like 36
months the Republican party’s

529
00:32:02,700 –> 00:32:06,000
like, nope, science is stupid.
If global warming is real.

530
00:32:06,000 –> 00:32:07,700
How come?
It’s snowing outside?

531
00:32:09,000 –> 00:32:11,600
Yeah.
Oh, love that argument.

532
00:32:11,600 –> 00:32:14,600
Definitely love that.
Also, it barely snows anymore.

533
00:32:14,600 –> 00:32:16,900
So how’s that argument working
out for you guys?

534
00:32:17,100 –> 00:32:20,100
Yeah, exactly.
I think it’s the Cato Institute

535
00:32:20,100 –> 00:32:24,500
guy that they’re interviewing in
this his quote is that the plan

536
00:32:24,900 –> 00:32:29,200
when it came to be kind of
injecting climate skepticism

537
00:32:29,200 –> 00:32:33,300
into the political debate was to
appeal to the Republican, right?

538
00:32:33,300 –> 00:32:38,000
And mobilize them for war.
That’s his actual quote and it

539
00:32:38,000 –> 00:32:40,100
feels like that’s exactly what
happened.

540
00:32:40,100 –> 00:32:42,700
Yeah, it’s not.
Feels like it is like, that’s

541
00:32:43,000 –> 00:32:45,700
yeah, what happened?
I mean, this is the play that

542
00:32:45,700 –> 00:32:49,700
we’ve seen over and over again
since then in all sorts of

543
00:32:49,700 –> 00:32:53,400
different issues.
It’s just you are able to Rally

544
00:32:53,700 –> 00:32:59,100
the right around your cause
Because it’s easy to Rally the

545
00:32:59,100 –> 00:33:02,900
right around things, they are
very manipulatable, there are

546
00:33:02,900 –> 00:33:05,700
stupid.
So you can just say, look, a

547
00:33:05,700 –> 00:33:11,200
Libs want to take away your snow
and make oil legal and then

548
00:33:11,200 –> 00:33:12,900
that’s it.
That’s all it takes.

549
00:33:13,000 –> 00:33:17,700
And that’s exactly what happens.
Because, around this time, the

550
00:33:17,800 –> 00:33:23,300
Kyoto Protocol starts being
debated which was kind of

551
00:33:23,300 –> 00:33:26,700
another attempt at a, un
framework around global.

552
00:33:26,900 –> 00:33:30,400
Warming.
And that’s when this war really

553
00:33:30,600 –> 00:33:33,700
swings in to high gear
commercial start popping up

554
00:33:33,700 –> 00:33:38,200
about how this climate agreement
is going to force American

555
00:33:38,200 –> 00:33:42,900
farmers to spend lots of money
on new equipment that will put

556
00:33:42,900 –> 00:33:48,600
them out of business and drive
up prices, and Exxon around this

557
00:33:48,600 –> 00:33:52,300
point sets up, something called
the Global Climate Coalition,

558
00:33:52,400 –> 00:33:58,100
which is just a conglomerate of
every corporate That is going to

559
00:33:58,100 –> 00:34:01,700
be impacted by climate change
regulation.

560
00:34:01,700 –> 00:34:05,400
They’re just all pooling their
money together to tell anyone

561
00:34:05,400 –> 00:34:09,000
who will listen that climate
change and global warming are

562
00:34:09,000 –> 00:34:12,500
things we need not worry about,
right?

563
00:34:12,600 –> 00:34:15,900
They in the documentary called
the Kyoto Protocol, the Super

564
00:34:15,900 –> 00:34:20,500
Bowl of the climate change fight
and sure, I think that’s

565
00:34:20,600 –> 00:34:21,699
accurate.
Yeah.

566
00:34:21,699 –> 00:34:25,300
And there’s this really I think
kind of typical of corporate

567
00:34:25,300 –> 00:34:28,300
America moment in this.
This documentary where Lee

568
00:34:28,300 –> 00:34:32,699
Raymond during all of the debate
about the Kyoto Protocol, he

569
00:34:33,100 –> 00:34:37,100
goes to China right and talks to
Business Leaders there and is

570
00:34:37,100 –> 00:34:40,699
like, listen, do not join this
Kyoto Protocol.

571
00:34:40,699 –> 00:34:42,100
It’s going to wreck your
business.

572
00:34:42,100 –> 00:34:43,600
It’s going to cost you so much
money.

573
00:34:43,600 –> 00:34:46,500
We wouldn’t want you to be a
part of it, right?

574
00:34:46,500 –> 00:34:50,199
Meanwhile in the United States
Exxon is running commercials

575
00:34:50,199 –> 00:34:54,300
about how the Kyoto Protocol is
not fair because China’s not

576
00:34:54,300 –> 00:34:57,300
part of it.
So yeah, they’re very much Both

577
00:34:57,300 –> 00:35:00,500
sides of right the fence, they
use.

578
00:35:00,500 –> 00:35:04,500
This really mature argument in
these ads.

579
00:35:04,700 –> 00:35:08,500
If it’s not everyone, it won’t
work great, guys.

580
00:35:08,500 –> 00:35:12,300
Yeah, it has to be the entire
world for it to work.

581
00:35:12,400 –> 00:35:16,600
That’s how that would work.
And it is such a silly argument

582
00:35:16,600 –> 00:35:21,500
because the countries that are
excluded are developing nations,

583
00:35:21,600 –> 00:35:25,800
which means in large part, they
don’t have the infrastructure

584
00:35:25,800 –> 00:35:28,300
that causes pollution.
Lucien yet, right?

585
00:35:28,300 –> 00:35:31,900
And that’s not to say it’s all
just like fucking desert and

586
00:35:32,100 –> 00:35:35,800
dust know they’re partially
developed, but they’re not

587
00:35:35,800 –> 00:35:40,000
contributing to climate change.
The way, the United States is

588
00:35:40,200 –> 00:35:43,000
one of their propaganda, dad say
that developing nations account

589
00:35:43,000 –> 00:35:46,100
for like fifty percent of
greenhouse gas emissions.

590
00:35:46,300 –> 00:35:51,800
And I would bet every cent that
I have that almost all of those

591
00:35:51,800 –> 00:35:55,800
greenhouse gas emissions come
from multinational corporations

592
00:35:55,800 –> 00:36:00,200
that use these In countries as
like, waste fills for their

593
00:36:00,200 –> 00:36:03,000
shit.
Like, they have factories, they

594
00:36:03,000 –> 00:36:08,500
have shipping all this stuff.
So Against All Odds, the Kyoto

595
00:36:08,500 –> 00:36:15,400
Protocol passes, and the United
States signs it, and everyone’s

596
00:36:15,400 –> 00:36:20,100
really excited, but they note in
the documentary that after that

597
00:36:20,100 –> 00:36:24,800
happened, the climate Skeptics
and like the pro oil Lobby types

598
00:36:25,000 –> 00:36:27,500
did not seem concerned.
At all.

599
00:36:27,500 –> 00:36:30,600
Yeah.
And someone says, they basically

600
00:36:30,600 –> 00:36:33,800
overheard Lee.
Raymond say, I can’t wait to get

601
00:36:33,800 –> 00:36:36,500
back to the United States.
So, we can have a sensible

602
00:36:36,500 –> 00:36:40,400
conversation about this, right?
And what he means in a nutshell,

603
00:36:40,400 –> 00:36:44,000
is the United States?
Never ratified the Kyoto

604
00:36:44,000 –> 00:36:47,900
Protocol, right?
We are one of those holdouts

605
00:36:47,900 –> 00:36:51,900
that just like we signed it but
then we were like, not for us.

606
00:36:52,000 –> 00:36:55,300
It’s a classic American.
We’re going to spearhead this

607
00:36:55,300 –> 00:36:56,700
thing.
We’re going to pressure a bunch.

608
00:36:56,900 –> 00:36:59,700
Other countries into joining
this thing with us and then

609
00:36:59,700 –> 00:37:02,700
we’re not going to really commit
fully.

610
00:37:02,900 –> 00:37:06,700
You will make you guys commit,
but we’re fine and now fast

611
00:37:06,700 –> 00:37:09,200
forward to the 2000 election,
which George Bush.

612
00:37:09,200 –> 00:37:12,700
Totally won fair, and square.
Absolutely, no question.

613
00:37:12,700 –> 00:37:15,400
There was definitely no
interference from the Supreme

614
00:37:15,400 –> 00:37:19,600
Court in that election.
And it’s, you know, him versus

615
00:37:19,600 –> 00:37:24,700
climate Warrior Al Gore.
So the Kyoto Protocol was about

616
00:37:24,700 –> 00:37:27,000
to get ratified.
If Al Gore, 31.

617
00:37:27,900 –> 00:37:30,300
There’s no doubt about that.
Absolutely.

618
00:37:30,600 –> 00:37:35,600
So, if anyone did intervene to
help George Bush, steal the

619
00:37:35,600 –> 00:37:38,200
election.
I’m going to assume it was

620
00:37:38,200 –> 00:37:41,000
Exxon.
Sure, because it just seems like

621
00:37:41,000 –> 00:37:45,100
they had the wherewithal and the
connections to do it.

622
00:37:45,300 –> 00:37:49,600
But I mean it’s not like Exxon
had any direct connections to

623
00:37:49,600 –> 00:37:52,000
anyone in the Bush
Administration, right?

624
00:37:52,000 –> 00:37:54,000
Olivia.
They had a few a few.

625
00:37:54,200 –> 00:37:56,500
Yeah, really but no one, no one
important.

626
00:37:56,500 –> 00:37:58,700
Well, You know, there was Dick
Cheney.

627
00:37:58,800 –> 00:38:00,600
Oh sure, the vice president.
Yes.

628
00:38:00,600 –> 00:38:02,100
Yeah.
Yeah, this wasn’t evil

629
00:38:02,100 –> 00:38:06,100
motherfucker ever.
Yeah, he had some connections to

630
00:38:06,100 –> 00:38:08,900
Big Oil.
Like that election was

631
00:38:08,900 –> 00:38:13,800
essentially big oil versus
climate change research and Big

632
00:38:13,800 –> 00:38:16,300
Oil one.
And now, big oil is our

633
00:38:16,300 –> 00:38:19,900
president, but in the end,
climate change is always gonna

634
00:38:19,900 –> 00:38:24,900
win because it’s coming.
Yeah, I mean, climate change is

635
00:38:24,900 –> 00:38:26,600
going to win climate change
reality.

636
00:38:27,100 –> 00:38:29,500
Doing things about it.
Yeah, so much.

637
00:38:29,500 –> 00:38:33,300
So yeah, around this time Exxon
feels emboldened enough that

638
00:38:33,300 –> 00:38:36,300
they start calling journalists
in researchers and being like

639
00:38:36,300 –> 00:38:38,700
listen we got Big Oil in the
white house.

640
00:38:38,700 –> 00:38:42,300
Now you should probably shape up
an act, right.

641
00:38:42,400 –> 00:38:44,900
It’s a new day baby.
We love boil again.

642
00:38:45,000 –> 00:38:47,800
And like there’s Freedom of
Information Act request that

643
00:38:47,800 –> 00:38:51,400
show Exxon was meeting directly
with the White House.

644
00:38:51,600 –> 00:38:54,600
They only oil company meeting
directly with the White House.

645
00:38:54,600 –> 00:38:58,000
None of the others, of course,
and It’s to the point that they

646
00:38:58,000 –> 00:39:02,700
actually start suggesting to the
administration, which people in

647
00:39:02,700 –> 00:39:06,600
the government should be fired
and replaced with people who are

648
00:39:06,600 –> 00:39:10,900
more in line with their beliefs
and yeah, eventually the Bush

649
00:39:10,900 –> 00:39:15,000
Administration, officially
rejects the Kyoto Protocol.

650
00:39:15,000 –> 00:39:19,000
We still have not ratified it.
No, I do feel like they skipped

651
00:39:19,000 –> 00:39:23,600
over some pretty important years
in this documentary for one

652
00:39:23,600 –> 00:39:28,400
thing they go from 1992.
When The Kyoto Protocol is

653
00:39:28,400 –> 00:39:32,100
signed which I’m assuming that
is the framework in question

654
00:39:32,100 –> 00:39:36,200
that George h.w.
Bush signed rushing means there

655
00:39:36,200 –> 00:39:42,500
were about eight years between
that and the 2000 election.

656
00:39:42,600 –> 00:39:44,900
Hmm.
What happened to the Kyoto

657
00:39:44,900 –> 00:39:48,700
Protocol?
‘S getting ratified during those

658
00:39:48,700 –> 00:39:51,900
eight years.
Yeah, and I’m pretty sure Al

659
00:39:51,900 –> 00:39:55,400
Gore was vice president during
that time.

660
00:39:56,300 –> 00:39:59,500
Yeah.
He had some sway in, like, I

661
00:39:59,508 –> 00:40:00,700
don’t know.
Fair is fair.

662
00:40:00,700 –> 00:40:04,700
You gotta at least mentioned.
What did Bill Clinton tried to

663
00:40:04,700 –> 00:40:09,400
do to get this done?
What did old Amadou because they

664
00:40:09,400 –> 00:40:13,400
also cut from George Bush.
Kind of to trump.

665
00:40:13,400 –> 00:40:17,900
It would be like a Guantanamo
Bay documentary leaving Obama

666
00:40:17,900 –> 00:40:23,200
out, it’s like right here an on
shutting down, Guantanamo Bay,

667
00:40:23,300 –> 00:40:25,100
right?
You have to ask him some

668
00:40:25,100 –> 00:40:29,000
questions and I do think it’s a
little bit of a knock against

669
00:40:29,000 –> 00:40:33,200
this documentary that they just
completely gloss over that in a

670
00:40:33,300 –> 00:40:35,500
basically three-hour
documentary.

671
00:40:35,600 –> 00:40:37,700
Yes, they had time.
Yeah.

672
00:40:37,700 –> 00:40:40,000
I mean, I guess there’s just
nothing happened.

673
00:40:40,000 –> 00:40:43,500
That has to be it, the Clinton
Administration and the Obama

674
00:40:43,500 –> 00:40:46,600
Administration didn’t make any
significant forward motion on

675
00:40:46,600 –> 00:40:49,600
it.
And so Exxon didn’t need to go

676
00:40:49,600 –> 00:40:52,700
on the offensive during that
time or at least change their

677
00:40:52,700 –> 00:40:55,000
strategy.
And I’m sure some of it had to

678
00:40:55,000 –> 00:40:58,500
do with the makeup of like the
Since Senate and majorities and

679
00:40:58,508 –> 00:41:00,800
things.
Sure, everything is always

680
00:41:00,800 –> 00:41:03,700
complicated.
Yeah, but still but still, I

681
00:41:03,700 –> 00:41:06,900
think it would have been to
their benefit to at least touch

682
00:41:06,900 –> 00:41:10,500
on the fact that no
Administration has really done

683
00:41:10,500 –> 00:41:16,600
that much about climate change.
So yeah, that brings us to part

684
00:41:16,600 –> 00:41:18,900
3.
The Reckoning which I didn’t

685
00:41:18,900 –> 00:41:22,700
realize a reckoning had happened
and uh oh, turns out it hasn’t.

686
00:41:22,700 –> 00:41:26,300
But no, I mean, they’re trying.
Yeah.

687
00:41:26,400 –> 00:41:30,800
In like public opinion is.
I think almost I mean, you know,

688
00:41:30,800 –> 00:41:35,000
it’s America in 2021.
So like nothing’s going to be a

689
00:41:35,008 –> 00:41:38,100
majority of the country
believing in it, but like yeah.

690
00:41:38,100 –> 00:41:42,600
Feels like most people even most
conservatives when they’re

691
00:41:42,600 –> 00:41:45,800
behind closed doors.
Know that climate change is

692
00:41:45,800 –> 00:41:48,800
happening right now?
Yeah, it’s the same thing with

693
00:41:48,800 –> 00:41:52,300
guns, like people know it’s
real, most of the country wants

694
00:41:52,300 –> 00:41:57,200
it dealt with in some manner,
but this small group of

695
00:41:57,200 –> 00:42:01,900
corporate America teat,
suckling, conservatives keep

696
00:42:02,000 –> 00:42:06,200
winning elections and imposing
their will on the rest of the

697
00:42:06,200 –> 00:42:08,400
country, and it’s gross, and it
sucks.

698
00:42:08,500 –> 00:42:10,800
And yes, it is gross, and it
does suck.

699
00:42:10,900 –> 00:42:13,100
And that’s what this
documentary’s about.

700
00:42:13,100 –> 00:42:18,500
Yep, so now, We fast forwarded
to October 20, 21 and big oil’s

701
00:42:18,500 –> 00:42:22,800
about to get there’s.
Yeah, there’s video of like a

702
00:42:22,808 –> 00:42:25,000
senate or Congressional
committee.

703
00:42:25,100 –> 00:42:29,200
Grilling a current Exxon
executive about Lee, Raymond

704
00:42:29,200 –> 00:42:32,500
statement, 25 years ago, that
there was no link between the

705
00:42:32,508 –> 00:42:35,700
combustion of fossil fuels in
greenhouse gases.

706
00:42:36,000 –> 00:42:40,000
And he admits that, the two are
linked and Society explodes in

707
00:42:40,000 –> 00:42:44,400
celebration, we’ve won, it’s
like em big deal, like do About

708
00:42:44,400 –> 00:42:49,000
it now like it’s cool that he
admitted it but well that video

709
00:42:49,000 –> 00:42:53,300
is also like the congressman is
like so now that you’ve admitted

710
00:42:53,300 –> 00:42:57,100
that there’s a link, will you
admit that Lee Raymond statement

711
00:42:57,100 –> 00:43:01,500
was a mistake and that the
company has remorse for that and

712
00:43:01,600 –> 00:43:05,100
the guy just can’t answer.
He doesn’t even try.

713
00:43:05,100 –> 00:43:08,500
He just stays silent.
Yeah, he’s like that guy from

714
00:43:08,500 –> 00:43:12,000
the Iran-Contra hearings who
just was rendered speechless

715
00:43:12,000 –> 00:43:13,800
before he was supposed to
testify.

716
00:43:14,000 –> 00:43:18,300
Yeah I still need to know all
the details about that guy would

717
00:43:18,300 –> 00:43:21,400
love to know but he’s just like
I don’t know.

718
00:43:21,400 –> 00:43:24,200
It was it was so sad.
This whole thing is just very

719
00:43:24,200 –> 00:43:27,100
depressing because this is
obviously stuff for still

720
00:43:27,100 –> 00:43:30,600
dealing with.
Yeah and there is a little bit

721
00:43:30,600 –> 00:43:33,700
of progress that happens in
2015.

722
00:43:33,700 –> 00:43:39,000
So now we’ve rewound to 2015, a
bunch of documents about exons

723
00:43:39,000 –> 00:43:43,800
Decades of climate change
Shenanigans start surfacing and

724
00:43:44,000 –> 00:43:48,400
Researchers start doing unboxing
videos combing through them.

725
00:43:48,900 –> 00:43:53,300
May find that Exxon has been
doing exactly what’s described

726
00:43:53,300 –> 00:43:55,800
in this documentary.
That’s where a lot of this comes

727
00:43:55,800 –> 00:43:59,000
to light.
These documents are what seemed

728
00:43:59,000 –> 00:44:03,200
like they should set the stage
for a lot of kind of big tobacco

729
00:44:03,200 –> 00:44:05,200
type lawsuits.
That’s what happened to the

730
00:44:05,200 –> 00:44:09,100
tobacco industry.
Eventually, conclusive proof was

731
00:44:09,100 –> 00:44:12,200
found that they were lying
because here’s the thing lying

732
00:44:12,600 –> 00:44:15,600
isn’t science.
You can prove when someone’s

733
00:44:15,600 –> 00:44:20,400
lying conclusively and evidence
of that was found and big

734
00:44:20,400 –> 00:44:23,200
tobacco.
Like their business was impacted

735
00:44:23,200 –> 00:44:27,900
by those lawsuits and solutely.
Smoking has decreased

736
00:44:27,900 –> 00:44:30,700
significantly in this country,
I’m sure it’s going to go back

737
00:44:30,700 –> 00:44:34,400
up now, we ban Jewel and like
flavored Vapes but it’s fine,

738
00:44:34,400 –> 00:44:37,200
whatever.
But that kind of seems like

739
00:44:37,200 –> 00:44:39,700
we’re on the cusp of that with
big oil.

740
00:44:39,700 –> 00:44:43,300
That’s what this documentary is
getting at, because right,

741
00:44:43,400 –> 00:44:47,900
there’s All of these states that
are now filing lawsuits based on

742
00:44:47,900 –> 00:44:52,800
these documents against Exxon.
New York is one of the first

743
00:44:52,900 –> 00:44:57,100
they lost really quick, but they
also lost because they went a

744
00:44:57,107 –> 00:45:01,000
really specific route with it
that just didn’t work, right?

745
00:45:01,100 –> 00:45:05,000
I love the part where X on
claims their first amendment

746
00:45:05,000 –> 00:45:08,100
rights are being violated by
people telling them.

747
00:45:08,100 –> 00:45:10,900
They can’t lie about climate
change.

748
00:45:11,000 –> 00:45:15,400
I mean, look, our Supreme Court
Ruled that corporations are

749
00:45:15,400 –> 00:45:19,500
people so they technically do
have First Amendment rights.

750
00:45:19,800 –> 00:45:23,200
Now whether they were being
violated by these lawsuits

751
00:45:23,200 –> 00:45:26,800
that’s a different question but
that is unfortunately the state

752
00:45:26,800 –> 00:45:29,800
of our nation’s right now is
that a corporation could

753
00:45:29,800 –> 00:45:34,000
potentially claim that its first
amendment rights have been

754
00:45:34,000 –> 00:45:36,300
infringed.
It’s insane.

755
00:45:36,300 –> 00:45:39,200
Yeah, yeah the Supreme Court
they’re here in a lot of

756
00:45:39,200 –> 00:45:41,900
interesting cases here pretty
soon.

757
00:45:41,900 –> 00:45:47,200
They I think just Don the one
that basically makes it like if

758
00:45:47,200 –> 00:45:51,200
you have a permit you can
conceal carry a gun anywhere.

759
00:45:51,300 –> 00:45:53,900
Yeah.
Establishments cannot tell you

760
00:45:54,000 –> 00:45:59,200
otherwise, also one that would
clear the way for like states to

761
00:45:59,200 –> 00:46:01,900
just if an election doesn’t go
the way they thought it was

762
00:46:01,900 –> 00:46:03,900
going to go.
They can just kind of blow it up

763
00:46:03,900 –> 00:46:07,200
and choose their own electors
and decide it for themselves.

764
00:46:07,900 –> 00:46:11,800
I just God Bless America.
Yeah, independent legislature

765
00:46:11,800 –> 00:46:13,200
Doctrine.
I think it’s called.

766
00:46:13,300 –> 00:46:14,800
Yeah.
Yeah, good times.

767
00:46:14,900 –> 00:46:17,700
We’re doing it on pops about it
soon so yeah.

768
00:46:17,700 –> 00:46:20,700
That New York case.
It failed in part because it

769
00:46:20,700 –> 00:46:25,400
focused on whether Exxon lied to
their shareholders and not the

770
00:46:25,400 –> 00:46:28,500
general public, but there’s
other lawsuits that are

771
00:46:28,500 –> 00:46:32,300
progressing through the courts
and, yeah, they’re just, you

772
00:46:32,300 –> 00:46:36,000
know, moving slowly because
that’s how the American court

773
00:46:36,000 –> 00:46:39,400
system works.
But yes, indeed there have been

774
00:46:39,400 –> 00:46:42,600
successful lawsuits in other
countries, so it’s possible.

775
00:46:42,700 –> 00:46:45,400
Sure.
How Worried were you for Jim

776
00:46:45,400 –> 00:46:50,300
Hansen when they show that clip
of him with algor back in like

777
00:46:50,300 –> 00:46:54,100
the late 80s in a reporter is
like, aren’t you worried about

778
00:46:54,100 –> 00:46:58,400
these oil companies, retaliating
against you in some way and Al

779
00:46:58,400 –> 00:47:01,900
Gore’s.
Like I guarantee if anyone comes

780
00:47:01,900 –> 00:47:05,400
after you will you have our full
protection of the American

781
00:47:05,400 –> 00:47:08,300
government, and I was sure they
were going to cut to this guy in

782
00:47:08,300 –> 00:47:10,300
a wheelchair or something,
right?

783
00:47:10,300 –> 00:47:13,400
And we’re going to hear about
him being run off the road in

784
00:47:13,800 –> 00:47:17,900
And March of 1990 but nope,
seems fine.

785
00:47:17,900 –> 00:47:21,400
He’s living in a nice house.
Got horses, can’t own horses and

786
00:47:21,500 –> 00:47:24,400
have a rough life or various
know, right?

787
00:47:24,500 –> 00:47:26,900
Yea though.
I wasn’t worried about him for

788
00:47:26,900 –> 00:47:30,100
that reason because we’d seen
him and present day so I do he

789
00:47:30,100 –> 00:47:33,800
wasn’t going to be hurt but
still, but we’re doing the Lost

790
00:47:33,800 –> 00:47:35,900
podcast.
You remember how the last reveal

791
00:47:35,900 –> 00:47:37,200
happens?
Yeah.

792
00:47:37,400 –> 00:47:41,300
Like what if it was recalled?
Crazy Love, which spoiler fast

793
00:47:41,300 –> 00:47:43,600
forward if you don’t want to
know this, but it’s about a

794
00:47:43,600 –> 00:47:45,900
woman.
And who this guy was obsessed

795
00:47:45,900 –> 00:47:49,800
with her and he eventually threw
acid in her face and God went to

796
00:47:49,800 –> 00:47:52,300
prison for it.
But he started writing her

797
00:47:52,300 –> 00:47:55,600
letters in prison in there.
Interviewing these two

798
00:47:55,600 –> 00:47:58,000
separately because they’re both
live and you get to about the

799
00:47:58,000 –> 00:48:00,800
halfway point.
You’re like, oh shit, they’re

800
00:48:01,000 –> 00:48:04,800
married, aren’t they?
And they were, that’s the crazy

801
00:48:04,800 –> 00:48:09,700
ass twist and ho know, I was
kind of afraid there was gonna

802
00:48:09,700 –> 00:48:14,300
be in the way you can tell it
first, this guy, They interview

803
00:48:14,300 –> 00:48:15,700
both of them and he’s a lawyer
now.

804
00:48:15,700 –> 00:48:20,000
In, like right, when you start
getting that feeling, she takes

805
00:48:20,000 –> 00:48:25,500
a drink from her coffee cup and
it says, world’s greatest lawyer

806
00:48:25,500 –> 00:48:27,400
on it.
And she’s not a lawyer.

807
00:48:27,400 –> 00:48:30,300
But he was and that’s when I was
like, fuck.

808
00:48:30,300 –> 00:48:34,400
She married the guy and yep.
That’s so I was worried those?

809
00:48:34,400 –> 00:48:37,800
That’s so sad.
Yeah, I was worried.

810
00:48:37,800 –> 00:48:40,600
Jim Hansen was going to hold up
a coffee mug that says world’s

811
00:48:40,600 –> 00:48:47,000
greatest government harassment.
God.

812
00:48:47,000 –> 00:48:49,200
It’s good.
He stopped doing as much science

813
00:48:49,200 –> 00:48:52,200
to do more activism the right.
That’s all that was busy City.

814
00:48:52,400 –> 00:48:54,900
I’m just never going to be able
to get that acid.

815
00:48:54,900 –> 00:48:58,500
Story out of my head.
It is a wild documentary.

816
00:48:58,500 –> 00:49:00,800
It’s very good.
It’s called Crazy Love.

817
00:49:00,900 –> 00:49:04,000
Watch it weird a b.
Anyway climate change.

818
00:49:04,100 –> 00:49:07,800
Whoo.
So yeah, Jim Hansen’s fine and

819
00:49:07,800 –> 00:49:10,400
you know why?
He’s fine Olivia fossil fuels.

820
00:49:10,500 –> 00:49:13,300
Oh yeah exactly.
Yeah of course we should stop

821
00:49:13,300 –> 00:49:16,300
in.
That this episode was sponsored

822
00:49:16,300 –> 00:49:20,200
by our good friends at Exxon,
Mobil, Exxon, Mobil, creating a

823
00:49:20,200 –> 00:49:23,000
better future.
Here’s the thing.

824
00:49:23,000 –> 00:49:27,600
It could happen because you can
exclude certain categories like

825
00:49:27,600 –> 00:49:31,300
from ads, running on your show
like I’ve excluded politics and

826
00:49:31,300 –> 00:49:34,300
stuff like that, right.
I need to get in and find energy

827
00:49:34,300 –> 00:49:37,200
companies to exclude this before
this goes up.

828
00:49:37,200 –> 00:49:41,000
Otherwise that exact thing is
going to happen that would be

829
00:49:41,000 –> 00:49:43,600
really funny.
It would yeah out of my hands.

830
00:49:43,600 –> 00:49:46,100
If Happens just know that
everybody.

831
00:49:46,600 –> 00:49:48,200
You’ll be fine.
Fuck you.

832
00:49:49,900 –> 00:49:52,500
So what what did we think about
sister Pat?

833
00:49:52,500 –> 00:49:55,900
Daly lover.
Yes, he’s best one in the dock.

834
00:49:55,900 –> 00:49:58,700
She’s great.
I was worried for a second

835
00:49:58,700 –> 00:50:01,900
because I couldn’t make heads or
tails about what she was talking

836
00:50:01,900 –> 00:50:03,500
about.
Like, they showed like a TV

837
00:50:03,500 –> 00:50:05,400
interview with her back in the
day, right.

838
00:50:05,600 –> 00:50:10,000
And it seemed like she was about
to start defending Exxon, but no

839
00:50:10,000 –> 00:50:14,300
because he’s introduced as a
shareholder of Exxon.

840
00:50:14,300 –> 00:50:16,200
Right.
But what that means she is a

841
00:50:16,207 –> 00:50:21,500
shareholder of Exxon.
But sister, Pat Dailey is a nun

842
00:50:21,500 –> 00:50:26,600
who is in charge of this huge,
pension fund that covers clergy

843
00:50:26,700 –> 00:50:29,700
members.
They said, something like 15

844
00:50:30,000 –> 00:50:34,700
million or was a billion
dollars, it was, here is a lot

845
00:50:34,700 –> 00:50:37,100
of money.
Like it one point the filmmaker

846
00:50:37,100 –> 00:50:39,200
is like, so you’re pretty
influential, huh?

847
00:50:39,200 –> 00:50:41,900
And she’s just like, yep.
I sure am.

848
00:50:41,900 –> 00:50:46,300
And she has So much confidence
it rules?

849
00:50:46,300 –> 00:50:48,800
Yeah, it’s great.
That’s got to be a kind of

850
00:50:48,800 –> 00:50:52,200
confidence that comes with, I
don’t know, just knowing that

851
00:50:52,200 –> 00:50:55,000
you’ve like lived a good life in
right?

852
00:50:55,000 –> 00:50:56,500
One.
Categorical or tea.

853
00:50:56,700 –> 00:50:59,700
Yeah, like no one can really say
shit like that, which they

854
00:50:59,700 –> 00:51:03,600
mentioned in the documentary.
Like she is unimpeachable.

855
00:51:03,600 –> 00:51:05,600
They can’t attack her
personally.

856
00:51:05,600 –> 00:51:08,800
It’s impossible.
He’s a fucking nun and like a

857
00:51:08,800 –> 00:51:11,200
good nun.
She’s not like corrupt or some

858
00:51:11,200 –> 00:51:13,600
shit.
She’s like just a nun.

859
00:51:13,800 –> 00:51:19,100
A good lady who like does things
and it rules and yeah, she’s

860
00:51:19,400 –> 00:51:21,500
what they call an activist
investor.

861
00:51:21,600 –> 00:51:25,300
Which means she buys up enough
shares in a company that she can

862
00:51:25,300 –> 00:51:29,200
put pressure on the board to
make them start behaving the

863
00:51:29,200 –> 00:51:30,600
way.
They should behave.

864
00:51:30,700 –> 00:51:32,900
Yep.
And that’s a good way to

865
00:51:33,000 –> 00:51:37,900
influence an evil Corporation
because it’s hard to do it from

866
00:51:37,900 –> 00:51:40,600
outside.
It’s just unfortunate that you

867
00:51:40,600 –> 00:51:45,100
do need to have an insane.
Amount of money in.

868
00:51:45,100 –> 00:51:48,500
So it’s like limited the amount
of people who can do this,

869
00:51:48,900 –> 00:51:52,200
right?
And at this point in history is

870
00:51:52,200 –> 00:51:56,700
when Lee Raymond resigns or at
least at this point in the

871
00:51:56,700 –> 00:51:59,600
documentary is when they tell us
that he resigned, and yeah, we

872
00:51:59,600 –> 00:52:05,400
mentioned it earlier nearly half
a billion dollars in retirement

873
00:52:05,400 –> 00:52:09,600
benefits, including William.
Dollar-a-year consulting fee.

874
00:52:09,600 –> 00:52:12,000
It’s like, what does that his
Starbucks money?

875
00:52:12,100 –> 00:52:15,100
Yeah, it’s his stipend.
And that’s 400 million

876
00:52:15,100 –> 00:52:19,500
retirement that we know about,
like, you know, that’s recorded

877
00:52:19,500 –> 00:52:23,600
and it includes lots of stocks.
He gets like, use of the company

878
00:52:23,600 –> 00:52:27,800
plane, of course, like they
point out in the documentary.

879
00:52:28,000 –> 00:52:33,500
It makes sense that Exxon would
reward him this way because he

880
00:52:33,500 –> 00:52:37,800
steered their company through a
difficult time and then made

881
00:52:37,800 –> 00:52:41,700
them a buttload of fucking money
and they don’t care because

882
00:52:41,700 –> 00:52:45,800
they’re a corporation that The
way he did, all that was by

883
00:52:45,800 –> 00:52:49,200
being one of the most evil
motherfuckers alive.

884
00:52:49,500 –> 00:52:53,100
Yeah, I thought the part at the
end speaking of activist

885
00:52:53,100 –> 00:52:58,000
investors, yeah, Charlie Penner
thing was really interesting.

886
00:52:58,000 –> 00:53:02,500
He is also an activist investor
who, yeah, he’s cool to works at

887
00:53:02,500 –> 00:53:06,300
a firm called engine.
Number one, he like created it,

888
00:53:06,300 –> 00:53:07,300
right?
Yeah.

889
00:53:07,600 –> 00:53:12,000
And he gets on a call at Exxon
and is like, listen, I’m an

890
00:53:12,000 –> 00:53:14,700
investor in this company.
I’m a Second investor in this

891
00:53:14,700 –> 00:53:16,900
company and you got to fix your
shit.

892
00:53:16,900 –> 00:53:20,700
What I like about it is it’s
still a business decision, like

893
00:53:20,700 –> 00:53:24,200
he’s still thinking from a
business perspective in his

894
00:53:24,200 –> 00:53:28,700
argument is just well, your
business model is oil oil oil.

895
00:53:28,800 –> 00:53:31,800
The demand for oil is never
going to decrease at all over

896
00:53:31,800 –> 00:53:34,100
the next.
However, many decades and

897
00:53:34,100 –> 00:53:38,400
Charlie penner’s view on it is.
That’s dumb of course demand for

898
00:53:38,400 –> 00:53:42,000
oil is going to decrease and you
need to start looking in to

899
00:53:42,000 –> 00:53:45,200
other shit and that Whole part
is fascinating.

900
00:53:45,200 –> 00:53:49,100
It happens on a call when
they’re trying to appoint board

901
00:53:49,100 –> 00:53:51,600
members, I believe.
Yeah, they’re like voting on new

902
00:53:51,600 –> 00:53:55,900
members of the board.
And yeah, that is a really good

903
00:53:55,900 –> 00:53:59,800
tactic and like that’s the
tactic to approach again when

904
00:53:59,800 –> 00:54:03,800
you’re dealing with most
corporate malfeasance and that

905
00:54:03,800 –> 00:54:07,900
sort of thing is most of the
time, the evil shit is actually

906
00:54:07,900 –> 00:54:10,100
not really a good business
strategy.

907
00:54:10,200 –> 00:54:13,100
It’s just the only thing they
know how to do.

908
00:54:13,200 –> 00:54:15,900
Yeah.
And they also show a clip near

909
00:54:15,900 –> 00:54:17,600
the end.
I feel like they didn’t give

910
00:54:17,600 –> 00:54:21,300
enough context for what was
going on but this climate group

911
00:54:21,300 –> 00:54:25,900
basically tricks in Exxon guy
into admitting that they has

912
00:54:25,900 –> 00:54:30,800
been lying about global warming
forever which that was wild.

913
00:54:30,800 –> 00:54:33,500
That part’s kyudo.
So we know by now.

914
00:54:33,900 –> 00:54:35,600
Right.
Well, I don’t think we had

915
00:54:35,600 –> 00:54:39,700
anybody who’d ever like from the
inside stated it.

916
00:54:39,700 –> 00:54:43,600
So bluntly, I will say, don’t
divulge your corporate.

917
00:54:43,800 –> 00:54:48,700
Secrets of resume like that
stupid especially not a new

918
00:54:48,700 –> 00:54:50,700
person who just showed up in
your life.

919
00:54:50,800 –> 00:54:53,500
Yeah, the only thing I want to
say about Charlie Pinner though

920
00:54:53,500 –> 00:54:56,200
is that he got four seats on
their board.

921
00:54:56,200 –> 00:54:59,200
Yeah.
Which is crazy and really good.

922
00:54:59,300 –> 00:55:01,800
Yeah.
And it does seem like he is

923
00:55:01,800 –> 00:55:05,600
putting some mechanisms in place
to change their business model

924
00:55:05,600 –> 00:55:08,400
and hopefully.
Yeah, move away from oil

925
00:55:08,500 –> 00:55:10,500
eventually.
Because there is that part at

926
00:55:10,500 –> 00:55:15,000
the end where they mentioned
that, They reached out to Lee

927
00:55:15,000 –> 00:55:19,800
Raymond and eggs, on both for
comment and eggs on refused to

928
00:55:19,800 –> 00:55:23,600
comment, but just directed the
film makers to Exxon Zone

929
00:55:23,600 –> 00:55:27,700
climate Solutions report, right?
And they mention that this

930
00:55:27,700 –> 00:55:33,200
report says that Exxon plans to
be Net Zero in terms of carbon

931
00:55:33,200 –> 00:55:38,000
emissions as a company by 2050,
which that’s a pretty lofty

932
00:55:38,000 –> 00:55:40,400
goal.
But then they also point out

933
00:55:40,400 –> 00:55:43,100
that in the fine print.
It says that that pledge does

934
00:55:43,100 –> 00:55:48,100
not Fly to carbon emissions
caused by burning fuel, which is

935
00:55:48,100 –> 00:55:51,400
your 90% of their carbon
emissions.

936
00:55:51,700 –> 00:55:55,500
Yeah, to give Charlie Penner the
benefit of the doubt, they could

937
00:55:55,500 –> 00:56:00,500
have put that in place and you
know by 2050 maybe burning fuel

938
00:56:00,500 –> 00:56:03,500
is 20% of their carbon
emissions.

939
00:56:03,800 –> 00:56:06,000
And yeah, everything else like
that would still be an

940
00:56:06,000 –> 00:56:07,900
improvement.
I got the sense that this

941
00:56:07,900 –> 00:56:12,500
climate report was from before,
Charlie Pinner was on the board

942
00:56:12,500 –> 00:56:14,100
like, oh, sure, sure.
Sure, you know?

943
00:56:14,100 –> 00:56:17,800
And again, like, who knows, even
if he’s got good motivations, it

944
00:56:17,800 –> 00:56:22,900
sucks that we have to rely on,
like, one super rich guy to help

945
00:56:22,900 –> 00:56:26,000
in this situation.
But, I mean, I do think that

946
00:56:26,000 –> 00:56:29,800
hopefully, he’ll push things in
the right direction.

947
00:56:29,800 –> 00:56:32,000
I guess it’s the most we can
hope for.

948
00:56:32,200 –> 00:56:34,600
Yeah, that’s the thing.
He’s probably still going to be

949
00:56:34,600 –> 00:56:39,300
a huge monster about it, but
maybe I mean, I don’t know, I

950
00:56:39,300 –> 00:56:41,500
don’t know him at all.
I’ve never heard of him before

951
00:56:41,500 –> 00:56:44,200
this.
Yeah, they don’t speak to In

952
00:56:44,200 –> 00:56:46,000
this.
But I mean now he’s not axons

953
00:56:46,000 –> 00:56:47,900
board he’s not hurt.
Is he on the board?

954
00:56:47,900 –> 00:56:51,100
I know he got his firm has four
seats.

955
00:56:51,100 –> 00:56:53,400
I don’t know what that entails,
I don’t know.

956
00:56:53,600 –> 00:56:57,000
Look I’m not a corporate whore
so I don’t know how you do.

957
00:56:57,000 –> 00:56:59,500
That shit works.
I’m sorry.

958
00:56:59,600 –> 00:57:03,300
But uh yeah so there’s you know
there’s hope I guess.

959
00:57:03,500 –> 00:57:04,700
Yeah.
Actually sure.

960
00:57:04,700 –> 00:57:05,900
You know really?
Yeah.

961
00:57:05,900 –> 00:57:09,400
I mean there is no hope but
we’re still gonna be underwater

962
00:57:09,400 –> 00:57:13,900
in 40 years so who cares but to
hear this documentary Lit

963
00:57:13,900 –> 00:57:16,800
progress is being made.
Doesn’t that feel good in your

964
00:57:17,300 –> 00:57:20,500
you get in your documentary on
and yeah, we’re still doomed.

965
00:57:20,500 –> 00:57:27,600
So be and by yeah, but we are so
yes, the End by do we know?

966
00:57:27,600 –> 00:57:29,800
I’m just glad that.
Yeah, I’m living in this house

967
00:57:29,800 –> 00:57:33,000
and Indiana and I’m just really
glad that if I hang onto it.

968
00:57:33,000 –> 00:57:35,200
All have beachfront property.
Absolutely.

969
00:57:35,200 –> 00:57:37,400
Yeah, yeah.
That’s the upside.

970
00:57:37,500 –> 00:57:41,400
Yeah, I’m excited to see the
Indianapolis Coast someday.

971
00:57:41,900 –> 00:57:44,900
It’ll be beautiful.
Look at what Did to the Lake.

972
00:57:44,900 –> 00:57:47,600
Michigan Coast.
Exactly.

973
00:57:47,600 –> 00:57:53,900
Yeah, it’ll be just like Gary.
Yeah yeah.

974
00:57:53,900 –> 00:57:58,300
I was driving from Indianapolis
actually to Janesville

975
00:57:58,300 –> 00:58:02,000
Wisconsin.
Once and my GPS at one point was

976
00:58:02,000 –> 00:58:05,200
like hey you want to save 12
minutes and I was like fuck.

977
00:58:05,200 –> 00:58:09,000
Yeah, I want to save 12 minutes
except got off the highway and

978
00:58:09,000 –> 00:58:12,200
realized immediately.
I was in Gary Indiana because I

979
00:58:12,200 –> 00:58:17,400
was in a quaint Small town in a
police gang unit car pulled up

980
00:58:17,400 –> 00:58:19,000
next to me.
I was like old.

981
00:58:19,000 –> 00:58:22,500
No, yeah, that’s, it’s really
unfortunate.

982
00:58:22,500 –> 00:58:26,200
What happened to that City?
Yeah, it’s a fucking nightmare.

983
00:58:26,300 –> 00:58:29,400
So, do we have anything to plug
before we get out of here?

984
00:58:29,400 –> 00:58:32,300
This a free episode.
If you were a subscriber you

985
00:58:32,300 –> 00:58:34,500
would have already heard going
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986
00:58:34,600 –> 00:58:38,900
Our lost re-watch podcast.
Yeah, if you’re not on patreon,

987
00:58:39,100 –> 00:58:42,100
do that get on patreon?
Get on this ledge?

988
00:58:42,100 –> 00:58:43,500
Oh, it’s fun.
We watch Lost.

989
00:58:43,700 –> 00:58:46,000
Rules.
Get on your Spotify app.

990
00:58:46,000 –> 00:58:49,000
You can subscribe there you can
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991
00:58:49,000 –> 00:58:50,500
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You’re going to be able to

992
00:58:50,508 –> 00:58:54,200
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someday, it’ll happen

993
00:58:54,200 –> 00:58:56,600
eventually.
Dad’s got to upload a lot of

994
00:58:56,600 –> 00:58:58,600
episodes manually for that to
happen.

995
00:58:58,600 –> 00:59:04,300
So I’ll find time someday.
Yes, I did hear your question.

996
00:59:04,300 –> 00:59:07,700
Can’t someone on Fiverr do it?
No, I’m not giving them access

997
00:59:07,700 –> 00:59:10,800
to my fucking iCloud account
because yeah, just Jesus.

998
00:59:10,800 –> 00:59:12,800
No.
Oh my God.

999
00:59:13,600 –> 00:59:17,100
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1000
00:59:17,100 –> 00:59:20,400
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1001
00:59:20,400 –> 00:59:23,600
And also thank you so much for
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1002
00:59:23,600 –> 00:59:29,000
the appreciation for so wild
that that’s where podcasts

1003
00:59:29,000 –> 00:59:35,000
began, and it’s the worst place
to find and listen to podcasts.

1004
00:59:35,200 –> 00:59:37,500
Yeah.
And also to publish them.

1005
00:59:37,600 –> 00:59:41,400
Yeah, they are quickly becoming
the Friendster of podcasts where

1006
00:59:41,400 –> 00:59:43,100
it’s like, you got in.
So early.

1007
00:59:43,100 –> 00:59:44,600
How are you?
Dominating.

1008
00:59:44,600 –> 00:59:49,300
I know it’s wild YouTube and
they are dominating their apple.

1009
00:59:49,500 –> 00:59:52,000
That’s right.
The generally doing just fine.

1010
00:59:52,400 –> 00:59:54,900
Yeah, so yeah, I think that’s
it.

1011
00:59:54,900 –> 00:59:57,800
Yeah, let’s get out of here.
Olivia, say goodbye.

1012
00:59:57,800 –> 00:59:59,100
Bye.
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1013
00:59:59,100 –> 01:00:05,200
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