Conspiracy! The Show 192: Chariots of the Gods?

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Papa.
Hey, everybody.

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Welcome to conspiracy the show.
I’m Adam Todd Brown.

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Who are you?
I’m Olivia hide.

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Our, we are your hosts Olivia.
How excited are you to be

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talking about the legitimate
origins of civilization today?

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I mean, I’m always happy to be
talking about the legitimate.

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Origins of civilization.
That’s one of my favorite topics

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of discussion.
Right?

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And I am, I’m actually pretty
excited to be on this episode

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talking about this movie.
This is kind of like a very

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similar important film in a lot
of ways, even if it’s maybe not

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a good film.
It’s important.

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It’s definitely more important
than Trump versus the Illuminati

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which be covered on a bonus
episode last week.

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Yeah.
I was just like to say nothing

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makes Chariots of the Gods.
Look better than watching Trump

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versus the Illuminati
immediately afterwards.

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Yeah, we’re covering like Olivia
just said Chariots of the Gods,

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which is kind of the it’s not
the starting point for ancient

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alien Theory but it is the
starting point for the

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popularization of ancient alien
theory in the United States is

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the book and movie Chariots of
the Gods.

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And because we are Are not
interested in exerting more

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effort than we need to.
We are covering the documentary.

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Yeah.
It’s about I’m not reading that

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book.
That’s thank you.

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We’re almost doing him a favor
because as it turns out there’s

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things in that book that along
with all the other untruths that

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have come out of ancient.
Alien Theory, there are some

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that were so blatant that he had
to cut them for the movie

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version.
Yeah.

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I mean, we’re kind of doing him
a favor.

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Yeah, I would just like up
front.

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It is actually, it’s almost
impressive.

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The amount of bullshit that is
crammed into 90 minutes, like

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just every single second.
It’s filled with some form of

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bullshit and that takes a lot of
work.

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It really does and he had time
to to get that.

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Work done will explain why in a
little bit but You talk about

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the guy who wrote Chariots of
the Gods first.

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This is a Chariots of the Gods.
It’s a book that came out in

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1968 and the documentary version
came out in 1970.

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And this is again for all
intents and purposes.

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This is where ancient alien
Theory becomes popular in the

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United States, right?
He is by no means the first

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person to suggest this idea,
right?

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Cuz that’s one of the first
things you got to take into

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account.
About Erich von daniken.

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Who is the Swiss writer?
Who wrote Chariots of the Gods?

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Hmm.
Is that he’s not a scientist.

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He’s just a writer.
Yeah, he is a con artist but

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let’s use it.
Yes, he is.

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He is fully a con artist who was
convicted of Fraud and

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embezzlement multiple types and
before becoming a preeminent

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Ancient Aliens scholar.
This is right up there.

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With Scientology in that it’s so
obviously a fabrication.

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But so many people still believe
it is true and real, like

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Scientology, if you read that
origin story like the guy that

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started Scientology l.ron
Hubbard, their whole thing is 0,

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mental health and Psychiatry is
a shame.

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He was denied, mental health
care in the Navy, like six

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months before he decided he was
going to start an anti mental.

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Healthcare cult that was based
in science fiction.

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He was also an established
science fiction writer.

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Yeah, it’s pretend.
And so is ancient alien theory.

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Yes.
Ancient alien theory is a

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blatantly racist theory.
That is just willfully.

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Ignorant of any advances in
anthropology and archaeology

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that have been made throughout
the years and is solely

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asserting facts.
Without backing it up with any

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sort of fact-based explanation.
So like it’ll say, like I’m look

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at this, this statute, doesn’t
it look like a man in a space

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suit with an oxygen mask.
Doesn’t it appear that?

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This is depicting some sort of
alien life form moving on.

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That is 90 minutes of this.
That is this movie.

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Well, that’s the whole thing.
That’s ancient.

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N’t, aliens in general because
it’s concerning enough that this

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book and movie became so popular
and kind of remains so popular.

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This is also now a TV show.
Then I don’t think out to be up

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to like 25 or 30 Seasons, like
it’s length.

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At this point.
It’s still currently on the air.

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I think.
So.

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If I mean, I know there’s stuff
like it on the are absolutely

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but I am not.
I don’t keep up with Is actually

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on TV very well.
Okay.

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Well, this says, there’s only
four seasons.

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That’s not right.
What are we talking about that

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there?
Seemed 18 Seasons 210 episodes

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tesis fight?
Ukrainians idea.

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I don’t know if it’s still hot
going, but it’ll be back.

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If it’s not like we’re your an
episode 150 and yours like, yep.

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The pyramids are still.
Aliens sit, still.

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That’s still what we believe.
What coming on?

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Yeah, what can there be left to
talk?

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Talk about.
I feel like this movie basically

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covers it all.
Yeah, I get it.

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You think time, traveling, white
men, built civilization?

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This is why we will go through
this movie.

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I like, I’m assuming as much
beat by beat as we can, but like

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it’s gonna get repetitive after
a certain bit because the movie

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is repetitive.
It’s very hypnotic, honestly.

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Yeah, it feels like an MK Ultra
experiment.

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Like they were just trying to
roll.

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Everyone into thinking yes,
through through cool and calm

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narration.
Hey, like this, very scholarly

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Vibe about this documentary,
right?

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You feel like someone somewhere
is watching this Like Clockwork

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Orange style just like when they
pulled open that could be.

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Nothing means.
Maybe I will say, though,

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especially having just watched
Trump versus the Illuminati.

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I didn’t dislike watching this
movie at all.

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I actually generally enjoyed the
experience of watching this

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movie.
Even if every five minutes of

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my, well, that doesn’t make any
sense.

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You need to explain what that
means and then it moves on.

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Yeah, but like, I still
basically enjoyed watching a

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bunch of National Geographic
stock footage with a gentle

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narration over it.
So I take it.

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You have not watched the series,
the TV show.

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Ancient Aliens.
Yeah.

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I’ve never watch the whole
episode.

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I seen bits and pieces, but I’ve
watched maybe ten seasons of it,

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and that’s what made this boring
for me, is not only had I heard

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everything in here, but I’ve
heard it presented by a guy with

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crazy hair.
Who every once in a while, just

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goes aliens, like, in the mean,
right?

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I want to be clear.
I thought this was boring.

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Like, I want to be clear that it
was boring and I have absolutely

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heard every Fucking thing that
was mentioned in it, but that

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didn’t mean I dislike watching
it and you know, I don’t footage

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for sure what I mean, like, I
dislike watching Trump versus

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the Illuminati, which is the
only thing I can really compare

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stuff to do right now or like
ever yeah ever forever.

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But like I hated watch it, it
felt bad.

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Whereas watching this.
I’m like I’m smoking weed.

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This guy is clearly smoking weed
and I’m watching some for some

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nature footage.
I like to watch, like I said,

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National Geographic stock
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Basically, I basically am having
a decent time watching.

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This book.
I did fall asleep.

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You know, I absolutely fell
asleep about an hour in and had

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to finish it this morning.
But yeah, I basically had a good

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time.
It still sucks.

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It’s so very bad.
Yeah.

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The reason I was so into the
series is they got me at first

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because they do that thing that
I hate that.

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Many conspiracy theory based
things do where they’ll show?

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You all of this evidence, but
they won’t show you the evidence

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that what they’re showing you is
fake.

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And yeah that drives me insane
because that’s it’s not enough

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to be like draw your own
conclusions.

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It’s like give people the
necessary information to draw

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their own conclusions.
First because once you dig into

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a damn near everything presented
on Ancient Aliens, yeah, it’s

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pretty easy to debunk.
Or explain, there’s a couple

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things that are still sort of up
in the air, as to what they are.

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But that doesn’t mean white male
Time Travelers.

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Told Society how to live, well,
and that’s the thing that is

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just all that they have when it
comes to the conspiracy

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evidence.
It’s always one step removed

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from actual evidence.
It’s always, but there was one

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report that said that this could
possibly be a representation of

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aliens, but it never says.
What that report is and never

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says what the report was on.
Again.

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There’s no citation with
throughout this movie and

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throughout anything and I’m sure
in the Ancient Alien series.

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It’s just like we heard take our
word for it.

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That someone else, who knew what
they were talking about verified

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what we believe, right?
And I mean, that’s when they’re

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not just straight up lying in
the the reason it’s a problem.

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Obviously, it’s spun.
Off into this huge series, but

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even back then, it was so
popular.

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Yeah, but it was huge, this
book.

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We’re going to link to a Playboy
interview from 1974 with Erich,

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von daniken.
Who is the author of this book?

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By the time that interview came
out, this book had sold five

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million copies and was on, its
44th paperback printing, the

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documentary was nominated for
best documentary of.

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Yeah, here, it didn’t win.
But It was the ninth highest

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grossing film of 1970.
So yeah, it’s huge.

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It was gigantic.
So it’s not like this came out

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and the public was immediately
like, all right, whatever?

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Right?
It wasn’t an obscure cult object

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at the time.
Like, it’s not something that

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kind of came out and a bunch of
weirdos watched, and that spread

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by Word of Mouth.
It was a best-seller.

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It’s a movie, based on a Huge
book.

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It is a shockingly
representative example of those

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who forget history are doomed to
repeat it because I almost, as

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soon as this came out in the
late 60s, early 70s, there were

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books and articles and people
who just fucking stood up in

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their chair and were like, this
is bullshit.

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Yeah, this is nonsense.
Roger Ebert called it science

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fiction in his review.
There were whole books, written.

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And that we’re just a rebuttal
to Chariots of the Gods.

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Carl Sagan the that we horrell
Sagan says about Erich.

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Von daniken roof bad times.
Yeah, and we mentioned that

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Playboy article.
That’s a really good example of

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someone.
Just ripping ancient alien

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Theory apart and it’s an
interview with the writer, which

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is what makes it so interesting
and like among other crimes, if

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you’re presenting a fucking
scientific.

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Look like not an actual crime,
but you can’t do things like say

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Carl Sagan believes that some of
the moons on Mars are

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artificial.
Yeah.

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What he actually means is, Carl
Sagan commented once on a study

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that claimed there were
artificial moons on Mars and

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when he commented on it, he was
like no that’s not.

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No, that’s not a thing, probably
not.

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But when it gets to the Ancient
Aliens book, he’s like Carl

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Sagan believes it.
He taught ya that The kind of

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trickeration that’s going on all
throughout ancient.

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Alien Theory.
Yeah, it’s not just oh well,

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okay you shot down this one
thing but what about all these

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other things?
It’s like I’m talking time.

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Do you have the only thing
that’s sort of still up in the

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air as the Nazca Lines?
Sure, but even those you can

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explain but we know how many
made but be right there.

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Like there’s still differing
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right?
Of course.

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Yeah, these old airport, but
this is the thing and a lot of

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conspiracy.
You see, theories or especially

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the scientific ones and this,
you get creationists, who do

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this to its very similar where
they just look for those little

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gaps where there’s still mystery
in the universe and they’re

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like, well, that mystery is us,
it’s our idea.

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That’s what that is.
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science and what makes it rad
when it works, is that it’s a

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bunch of people who are have
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It’s to our testing out new
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comes to like anthropology and
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you’re studying, ancient
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You’re never going to really
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they fucking write it down and a
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didn’t do this stuff like that.
So like, you’re never gonna 100%

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know what the Nazca Lines are
for, and that’s fine, but we

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know that people made them and
we know that they weren’t Or

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aliens because it doesn’t make
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Yeah, and before we dive into
the documentary, we are morally,

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obligated to talk about Erich,
von daniken and his background.

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He’s the author of Chariots of
the Gods and since then just

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dozens and dozens of other
books.

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He even to this day, has a
series on Gaia or whatever, that

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weird video network is, that’s
like an educational thing but

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also weirdly Rassee Theory,
conspiracy to ality leaning.

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He’s got a whole series on Gaia
about.

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Yeah.
Everything you think about

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history’s wrong.
That’s his actual voice.

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I know.
That’s surprising everybody.

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Wow.
Yeah, Von daniken.

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Ma.
That’s into their bond Anakin

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Swiss, right?
He sounds like the guy from

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Roswell, the Cajun guy Erich,
von daniken in the morning.

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Yo dries down, DJ.
Wow, I’d listen.

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Yeah.
Hell, yeah.

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Yeah.
His these Books, the movie when

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it came out almost unanimously.
Written off as pseudoscience and

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pseudo archaeology in the thing,
is we mentioned already.

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He’s not a scientist, any of us
could have written Chariots of

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the Gods.
Because, yeah, all he did in

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that, like, there’s no fault in
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Like the, a lot of books are
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him Gathering.
A bunch of other work together

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and presenting a new work.
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He’s not Saying anything new.
It’s one thing to gather

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together a bunch of sources like
we do it with the podcast, I

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guess more.
So, with like the unpopular

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Opinion podcast, but that’s
usually a bunch of different

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stories that are put together to
lead to a different or bigger

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point, right?
This is just him repackaging.

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Oh, yeah.
Points that have been made

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before.
It’s, it’s fully recitation.

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Not only is he repackaging
points that have been made

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before.
He’s not doing it by A sighting

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things specific, right?
Works that he’s just saying.

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This looks like this and he
never says anything in a

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declarative.
It’s always the question or

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citing it to other people which
is the thing that we’ve seen in

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other conspiracy media like that
Kubrick thing that we watch

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right?
Where every claim is based on a

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doesn’t this look like a blah
blah blah or people have claimed

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that blah blah blah with no
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Explanation just that and that’s
a good reference here.

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Because with the Kubrick thing,
what often gets left out of that

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conspiracy theory is that that
theory started as a satire, our

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graph on the internet and as it
turns out with ancient alien

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Theory, there was an article in
skeptic magazine in 2004 that

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trace the roots of ancient alien
Theory to h p Lovecraft.

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Guys, specifically Call of
Cthulhu and at the mountains of

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Madness.
Yeah, and let me tell you a

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racist Theory originating with
HP Lovecraft.

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Wait, wait a minute.
That manly tracks that man.

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Did not have a racist bone in
his body, but he had bones.

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No, he had a racist.
Fucking gene pool all throughout

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it.
Like, that guy was race.

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So racist that people at the
time were like, hey, man, chill

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out.
To take it a little too far, and

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that’s like, in the fucking 20s.
So yeah, so it makes sense, that

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it would come from him.
Right?

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Not only is it Lovecraft,
obviously, but there’s plenty of

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sci-fi stories that are about
like, that’s a common sci-fi

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Trope.
What if these things that you

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thought, or actually done by
aliens?

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And it’s like, there’s nothing
behind that.

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And one of my biggest problems
with the movie is that it’s not

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Cohesive kind of going towards
what you’re saying about.

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It’s not building toward a
larger point.

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It’s just this and then this and
then this and then this all of

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the elements that they introduce
and show are very different and

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are like presenting different
symbols and like not making

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sense with one another, like, in
one of them, they talk about how

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doesn’t this look like a lunar
lander.

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And I’m like, why would the
aliens make a lunar lander?

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That looks.
Like NASA equipment and like

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there’s a thing where they’re
like, doesn’t this look like an

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oxygen mask?
And I’m like, why would an alien

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need an oxygen mask on Earth?
It’s just throwing everything at

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the wall and it just saying look
watch how it sticks.

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Yeah.
There’s no evidence cited.

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At any point in the book.
Maybe like I’m sure there’s

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footnotes and bibliographies or
something.

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Yeah.
I don’t know but, you know,

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we’ll never know because Ever
read that book.

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But most of it is just presented
in that here.

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Isn’t this weird kind of way.
Yeah, I think what proponents of

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ancient alien Theory and Erich
von daniken himself?

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Don’t want to accept is that,
their theory is no different

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than Faith, like they’re asking
us to believe in a different.

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God.
That’s all they’re doing.

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They’re saying no, of course.
This wasn’t deities coming down

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from the sky.
That people were seeing sure was

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time traveling.
White men.

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Well, now that you put it that
way.

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Yeah, all the science makes
sense, right?

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That’s no debt.
Is just another creation myth

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that yeah, just another God
story.

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This really isn’t science.
It’s not even fucking close.

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It’s not even Prometheus by
Ridley, Scott, but he didn’t.

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I some of Prometheus awnings.
Yeah, Nova sure.

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But that movie, what makes that
movie rule is that they get to

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the planet and they The people
that made humans and the people

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that made humans are like, why
did you make us and the things

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are like, we don’t even know you
we don’t give a shit.

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What the heck we made you
because we farted and like we

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just felt like doing it.
It’s so good.

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The other thing you got to take
into account about Erich, von

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daniken.
At least early in life.

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He was a little bit of a
criminal and yes, yes, at 19.

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He was given a four month,
suspended sentence for stealing

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money from a youth camp.
He was working at as a

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counselor.
Mmm, NBD, no big sure.

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A psychiatrist who examined him
at the time.

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Said he displayed quote, a
tendency to lie.

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Sure, but don’t let that deter
you ancient.

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Alien Believers, right?
Not long.

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After that.
He ran off to Egypt and got

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involved in some kind of shady,
jewelry deal, and ended up

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spending nine months in jail
over that he claims.

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He had a vision while in his
jail cell, but never said

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explicitly, what that Vision was
sure, but Apparently it involved

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him embezzling money from his
hotel job to finance a bullshit

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book about ancient astronauts
because that’s what he spent.

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The next 12 years doing.
This book is financed, through

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embezzled money that Erich von
daniken stole from his employer

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and that’s how he got caught.
He was working at a hotel and

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eventually people were like, how
are you making all these fucking

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trips to Egypt?
Dude?

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What are you doing?
And it turned out.

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Yeah, he was just stealing money
left and right from his

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employer.
So he, you know, did here in

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prison for that.
You love the the ambition.

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I got to say, don’t you like the
hutzpah at his trial, a

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court-appointed psychiatrist
described him as a liar and a

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criminal psychopath.
Yeah.

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But also a genius.
Sure.

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Yeah.
Also a Visionary.

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Yeah.
Who saw through the truth of the

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world?
Yeah.

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I’m sure they called every
Prophet a psychopath at some

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point, right?
Of course.

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I felt gross, just saying that.
Yeah, seriously, Jesus, but the

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thing is, by this point, he had
already published Chariots of

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the Gods.
So, by the time he was caught

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and served a year in prison,
that just gave him time to write

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a second book like he, Had the
money to pay back the hundred

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and thirty thousand dollars.
So he just like took a took a

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vacay.
Yeah.

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Granted a vacay in.
Well, no, it would have been a

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Swiss prison.
So yeah, he took he went on

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vacation for a year.
Yeah.

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I mean hey, I’m yeah, I’ve been
in worse.

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Yeah, I’m sure I’m sure.
Yeah we talked.

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Yeah, that was more based on
what I imagine a Swiss

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prisoners.
Like I’ve seen pictures.

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They look nice.
Nice.

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Yeah, which not the worst thing.
I’m not mad.

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No, I think prisons could be
nicer.

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Yeah, especially in this
country.

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Holy I mean look, we can’t get
into it.

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Abolition sidebar on this
episode.

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There’s too much.
So all of this by itself is

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enough reason to call the
motives of the guy who wrote

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ancient alien Theory or
popularized it into question,

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but in that Playboy interview,
we mentioned earlier, which I

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cannot recommend enough.
The only thing I don’t like

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about it is that there’s no
Video.

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Yeah, because this is an actual
journalist who asks, actual

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questions at one point Erich.
Von daniken says, I feel like

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I’m being interrogated now.
I don’t like well then don’t

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tell us civilization was started
by Time Travelers.

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Dude.
Someone is going to interrogate

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you over an opinion like that.
And let me tell you he does not

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hold up.
Well, no, he doesn’t make it.

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Convincing argument when
presented with facts.

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For one thing.
There’s this quote because he

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gets Accused by this writer.
Of, you know, just kind of

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cherry-picking ideas and then
ignoring the stuff that doesn’t

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fit his theory.
Even if it would undermine his

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theory.
And here is his Ironclad defense

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of that.
It’s true that I accept, what I

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like and reject what?
I don’t like, but every

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Theologian does the same.
Everyone accepts what he needs

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for his theory into the rest.
He says that’s a

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misunderstanding.
It’s like, well, then what the

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fuck are we talking about?
I mean, he’s not wrong.

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Of course, but but also he is
kind of giving away the game

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there and one of the things the
writer interviewing him mentions

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is well in your book, you just
outright dismissed theologians

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as basing all of their theories
on nonsense and like why.

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So now you’re just saying what I
do, what the theologians do but

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you’re saying theologians aren’t
doing things the right way and

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that you have like a more
scientifically provable answer.

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And you clearly don’t and he was
just like, yeah, what are you

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gonna do?
So, you say, yeah, they also

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asked him about a few different
things in his books and movies

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that have been called into
question.

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00:25:57,300 –> 00:26:01,100
Like how he says, he visited a
cave in Ecuador that has a

438
00:26:01,100 –> 00:26:05,100
library of gold plates from A
Lost Civilization inside it,

439
00:26:05,100 –> 00:26:09,000
along with seven chairs, made of
a plastic-like material and a

440
00:26:09,000 –> 00:26:13,000
zoo of solid gold animals.
Wow, they should put that in the

441
00:26:13,000 –> 00:26:15,300
movie.
They really should have Have

442
00:26:15,300 –> 00:26:18,400
that would have been cool.
I would have liked to see it.

443
00:26:18,400 –> 00:26:22,500
Yeah, as it turns out the guy he
says, took him to that cave.

444
00:26:22,700 –> 00:26:26,600
Came out later and said, no, I
didn’t we do that.

445
00:26:28,200 –> 00:26:32,700
He actually said, Erich von
daniken had never been in those

446
00:26:32,700 –> 00:26:35,700
caves, of course.
And when the interviewer asked

447
00:26:35,700 –> 00:26:39,400
him about that, he tap dances
around it, and says that he

448
00:26:39,400 –> 00:26:42,500
didn’t go in the caves with that
guy, right.

449
00:26:42,500 –> 00:26:46,300
But that he did go in the caves
but He also didn’t go in the

450
00:26:46,300 –> 00:26:49,400
caves described or he didn’t go
in the caves through the

451
00:26:49,400 –> 00:26:52,900
entrance described in his book.
He went through a different

452
00:26:52,900 –> 00:26:57,000
entrance, the back Dory and also
he had never actually been to

453
00:26:57,000 –> 00:27:00,800
any of the areas shown in
pictures in the book, but beyond

454
00:27:00,800 –> 00:27:03,800
that, dude, of course, he went
to the caves.

455
00:27:04,000 –> 00:27:06,800
Yeah, right.
Like it seems like there would

456
00:27:06,800 –> 00:27:09,000
be no defense once you admit all
that.

457
00:27:09,000 –> 00:27:12,000
Like yeah, I didn’t actually go.
I just wrote it and there is

458
00:27:12,000 –> 00:27:13,700
none.
His defense is why I’m taking

459
00:27:13,700 –> 00:27:15,700
creative Liberties.
That’s What right?

460
00:27:15,700 –> 00:27:18,200
That’s what we do as writers.
And it’s like, not if you’re

461
00:27:18,200 –> 00:27:22,300
calling your book science.
I mean, this is, It’s actually

462
00:27:22,300 –> 00:27:27,300
kind of just an interesting
insight into a pathological liar

463
00:27:27,600 –> 00:27:32,400
and that he did not have to
mention a specific real person.

464
00:27:32,500 –> 00:27:34,700
That would have saved him a lot
of trouble.

465
00:27:34,900 –> 00:27:38,600
If he said I’m going, I went
into the cave with this guy.

466
00:27:38,700 –> 00:27:42,100
Like why wouldn’t you just named
a fake person or just say, I

467
00:27:42,100 –> 00:27:44,900
went in alone?
Why I named a real person?

468
00:27:45,000 –> 00:27:48,900
We’ll then discredit your story.
Also his German publisher,

469
00:27:48,900 –> 00:27:52,500
financed an expedition to these
caves after all of these stories

470
00:27:52,500 –> 00:27:54,200
came out.
And guess what?

471
00:27:54,300 –> 00:27:56,700
What couldn’t reach them for
some reason.

472
00:27:56,708 –> 00:28:00,600
Erich von daniken, could write
well, of course, he’s Superman.

473
00:28:00,900 –> 00:28:01,800
Yeah.
He’s the Ubermensch.

474
00:28:02,300 –> 00:28:06,900
He’s an experienced terrain.
Coverer.

475
00:28:06,900 –> 00:28:08,100
Yeah.
He’s a caver.

476
00:28:08,100 –> 00:28:09,400
He goes caving.
I don’t know.

477
00:28:09,400 –> 00:28:11,600
He’s one of these like those
girls from his descent.

478
00:28:11,600 –> 00:28:13,600
Yeah, he’s a fraud.
He’s a con man.

479
00:28:14,100 –> 00:28:16,000
Yeah, I’m sure everything is.
Else in the book is true,

480
00:28:16,000 –> 00:28:17,900
though.
Sure, except probably not

481
00:28:17,900 –> 00:28:22,000
because the Playboy interviewer
also asks about a theory that

482
00:28:22,000 –> 00:28:24,800
Von daniken presents in a
different book, which is called

483
00:28:24,800 –> 00:28:26,800
gold of the Gods.
I think that’s what he wrote in

484
00:28:26,800 –> 00:28:30,000
prison after Chariot of the Gods
came out.

485
00:28:31,400 –> 00:28:36,400
And that book there is a theory
that suggests the banana was

486
00:28:36,400 –> 00:28:39,700
brought to Earth from space.
Sure.

487
00:28:40,200 –> 00:28:43,000
And this writer is like, were
you serious about that?

488
00:28:43,000 –> 00:28:44,900
Or were you joking and Erich
von?

489
00:28:45,100 –> 00:28:47,300
Seems like of course.
I was joking.

490
00:28:47,900 –> 00:28:51,100
People just didn’t realize it
and it’s like well because

491
00:28:51,100 –> 00:28:54,300
you’re writing a book that you
say is based on science in the

492
00:28:54,300 –> 00:28:58,400
sense when our scientist
dropping their bananas, fell to

493
00:28:58,400 –> 00:29:02,200
Earth from space b into their
legitimate science, like why

494
00:29:02,200 –> 00:29:04,600
not?
Assume you were joking like what

495
00:29:04,600 –> 00:29:06,100
the fuck?
I mean.

496
00:29:06,200 –> 00:29:09,700
Yeah, he seems like a complete
nutcase.

497
00:29:09,700 –> 00:29:12,200
I mean, he’s a piece of work
pathological, liar.

498
00:29:12,200 –> 00:29:14,000
That’s kind of the vibe I get
from him.

499
00:29:14,300 –> 00:29:16,400
Yeah.
And it seems like the vibe

500
00:29:16,600 –> 00:29:19,700
Psychiatry has gotten about him
throughout his life.

501
00:29:20,100 –> 00:29:24,300
And so, once he admits all of
this was just made-up nonsense.

502
00:29:24,300 –> 00:29:26,500
They asked him the next obvious
question.

503
00:29:26,500 –> 00:29:28,400
Here’s a quote that leads us to
ask.

504
00:29:28,400 –> 00:29:32,300
If all your writing is a put on.
Are you as one writer suggested

505
00:29:32,400 –> 00:29:36,500
the most brilliant satirist in
German literature for a century

506
00:29:36,700 –> 00:29:39,900
and his answer.
Yes, and no, we haven’t.

507
00:29:39,900 –> 00:29:43,900
Wonderful term in German Jane.
It’s a combination of jaw and

508
00:29:43,900 –> 00:29:46,600
name.
So, Yes, and no wouldn’t be.

509
00:29:46,600 –> 00:29:49,500
Jane Jane.
Yes, or you’re lying.

510
00:29:49,600 –> 00:29:51,700
It would be lying because yeah,
and 90.

511
00:29:51,900 –> 00:29:53,900
Yeah.
Yeah, I ain’t is in the Hein.

512
00:29:54,300 –> 00:29:58,200
So that was his answer whether
the most brilliant satirist in

513
00:29:58,200 –> 00:30:00,300
German literature for a century
Yang.

514
00:30:00,300 –> 00:30:03,100
It’s a part.
Absolutely not.

515
00:30:03,200 –> 00:30:04,300
It means.
Yes.

516
00:30:04,300 –> 00:30:06,600
And no in some part.
Absolutely not.

517
00:30:06,700 –> 00:30:10,000
I mean, what I say, seriously in
other ways, I mean to make

518
00:30:10,000 –> 00:30:12,000
people laugh.
Okay.

519
00:30:12,000 –> 00:30:15,500
Well, where’s the disclaimer to
that effect on a of your Work.

520
00:30:15,500 –> 00:30:18,600
He’s like the Joker ages.
Is he just wants to make people

521
00:30:18,600 –> 00:30:19,500
laugh.
Yeah.

522
00:30:19,600 –> 00:30:21,800
It’s a really revealing
interview.

523
00:30:21,800 –> 00:30:25,200
Like if you have found yourself
sucked into ancient alien

524
00:30:25,200 –> 00:30:28,800
Theory, please go read this
interview with Erich, von

525
00:30:28,800 –> 00:30:33,200
daniken and at least get more of
a feel for the person who came

526
00:30:33,200 –> 00:30:36,300
up with this Theory.
Yeah, because he is a fucking

527
00:30:36,300 –> 00:30:40,500
fraud and there’s more because
there’s another detail.

528
00:30:40,500 –> 00:30:43,800
I did not know about this book
until researching it for this

529
00:30:43,800 –> 00:30:46,300
episode.
This almost Never comes up, but

530
00:30:46,300 –> 00:30:49,800
it’s sort of backs up the theory
that ancient alien theory is not

531
00:30:49,800 –> 00:30:52,100
see bullshit.
Yeah, the book Chariots of the

532
00:30:52,100 –> 00:30:57,100
Gods was rejected several times
by Publishers until it was

533
00:30:57,100 –> 00:31:01,300
extensively.
Rewritten by a guy named Wilhelm

534
00:31:01,600 –> 00:31:03,700
butterman.
Who is he’s my I believe it’s

535
00:31:03,700 –> 00:31:08,600
pronounced this hell mucha man,
correct.

536
00:31:08,700 –> 00:31:12,400
Fun fact about that guy.
Most bios described him as

537
00:31:12,400 –> 00:31:17,600
quote, a best-selling not See
and if nothing else he

538
00:31:17,600 –> 00:31:22,500
definitely contributed to focus.
Erbil Boxster, worthy, völkisch,

539
00:31:22,500 –> 00:31:25,000
Observer, the official newspaper
of the Third Reich.

540
00:31:25,000 –> 00:31:27,000
So that’s cool.
Cool math.

541
00:31:27,000 –> 00:31:29,500
There’s nothing Nazi or white
supremacists about you.

542
00:31:29,500 –> 00:31:34,600
Love to have that in your bio.
Best-selling Nazi author.

543
00:31:34,600 –> 00:31:36,400
Yeah.
He just had his manuscript

544
00:31:36,400 –> 00:31:38,500
whipped into shape by the Third
Reich.

545
00:31:38,700 –> 00:31:40,800
That doesn’t make this a Nazi
idea.

546
00:31:41,000 –> 00:31:44,800
Come on, how, how did this guy
live, you know.

547
00:31:45,300 –> 00:31:48,300
Like, just in general, like how
did he escape?

548
00:31:48,400 –> 00:31:53,100
I want to know that story if he
was literally editor of the Nazi

549
00:31:53,100 –> 00:31:57,900
newspaper in WWII how she Livin,
I don’t understand.

550
00:31:57,900 –> 00:32:00,000
Contributor contributor.
Sure.

551
00:32:00,000 –> 00:32:03,800
Okay, he went on to make movies
like after WWII like he was a

552
00:32:03,808 –> 00:32:06,700
German filmmaker.
So yeah, he apparently the again

553
00:32:06,700 –> 00:32:10,500
scot-free, how, how?
I don’t understand.

554
00:32:10,500 –> 00:32:12,400
I don’t know.
We really crack down on

555
00:32:12,400 –> 00:32:13,900
ex-nazis.
Yeah, that’s true.

556
00:32:13,900 –> 00:32:16,600
Well, I mean, you know, Why
didn’t Magneto go after this

557
00:32:16,600 –> 00:32:18,000
guy?
That’s what I want to know.

558
00:32:19,300 –> 00:32:21,400
So let’s go through the
documentary.

559
00:32:21,400 –> 00:32:23,900
We’re not going to hit it beat
for beat, but we can talk about

560
00:32:23,900 –> 00:32:25,200
it is because I’m going to be
honest.

561
00:32:25,200 –> 00:32:28,100
I fell asleep.
Well, of course, we literally

562
00:32:28,100 –> 00:32:32,200
cannot get it beat for beat
because it is the same beat.

563
00:32:32,300 –> 00:32:36,900
We can only cover.
So many examples of oh, well,

564
00:32:37,000 –> 00:32:39,200
this is made up.
There’s nothing to this.

565
00:32:39,200 –> 00:32:42,500
This is all just bullshit.
Like he doesn’t offer any

566
00:32:42,500 –> 00:32:45,100
sources.
He just says, wouldn’t it be

567
00:32:45,100 –> 00:32:48,000
cool if this were aliens moving
on?

568
00:32:48,400 –> 00:32:54,200
Yeah, and it’s presented in that
very scholarly or educational

569
00:32:54,200 –> 00:32:56,300
way.
That a lot of documentaries used

570
00:32:56,300 –> 00:32:59,200
to be like, before we realize,
you know, you could, you could

571
00:32:59,200 –> 00:33:02,700
have fucking Tarantino narrate
this if you want like that could

572
00:33:02,700 –> 00:33:04,800
be Samuel L Jackson and you’re
hiring.

573
00:33:04,800 –> 00:33:08,800
This guy going to its
pleasurable viewing experience.

574
00:33:08,800 –> 00:33:14,900
It feels like watching a kind of
boring PBS documentary and

575
00:33:14,900 –> 00:33:16,800
that’s kind of just a soothing
Vibe.

576
00:33:17,000 –> 00:33:18,700
Yeah.
It’s definitely that It’s

577
00:33:18,700 –> 00:33:21,600
definitely got some ASMR Vibes.
Yeah, to it.

578
00:33:21,600 –> 00:33:23,300
Like it’s not going to make you
tense.

579
00:33:23,400 –> 00:33:25,300
Listen to.
I mean unless you’re like

580
00:33:25,300 –> 00:33:28,500
Googling the actual facts.
But yeah, I think he got

581
00:33:28,500 –> 00:33:31,200
presented.
You kinda gotta let go of

582
00:33:31,200 –> 00:33:35,900
reality to enjoy it at all.
It starts by talking about cargo

583
00:33:35,900 –> 00:33:41,200
Cults, which were a thing that
happened around World War Two,

584
00:33:41,300 –> 00:33:45,200
especially or that’s when it
became popularized and it, yeah,

585
00:33:45,200 –> 00:33:48,300
it was a thing where Allied
Forces in World War Two.

586
00:33:48,400 –> 00:33:52,200
I would come into contact with
tribes or civilizations that had

587
00:33:52,200 –> 00:33:56,200
never seen flying machines or
anything of the like, and they

588
00:33:56,200 –> 00:33:58,200
would land and they would bring
them supplies.

589
00:33:58,400 –> 00:34:01,200
And then when they leave people
would build monuments and things

590
00:34:01,200 –> 00:34:05,300
to try and entice them to come
back and people, let me tell

591
00:34:05,300 –> 00:34:07,500
you, that’s kind of the Crux of
ancient alien Theory.

592
00:34:07,900 –> 00:34:09,699
It’s okay.
You know how that happened in

593
00:34:09,699 –> 00:34:12,500
World War Two, that happened
like all throughout history, but

594
00:34:12,500 –> 00:34:14,500
it was just like Time,
Travelers, and people coming a

595
00:34:14,500 –> 00:34:18,300
space.
That is not a terrible.

596
00:34:18,500 –> 00:34:19,800
All logical.
Leap.

597
00:34:19,800 –> 00:34:24,300
That’s a logical leaf that I can
follow and I understand but like

598
00:34:24,300 –> 00:34:28,600
you are going to need some
serious evidence in order to

599
00:34:28,600 –> 00:34:32,100
make it stick as reality and
that’s not presented.

600
00:34:32,100 –> 00:34:37,100
Also, I feel like all of the
footage of the cargo Cults was

601
00:34:37,100 –> 00:34:40,800
totally staged so it had to be
right.

602
00:34:40,800 –> 00:34:43,199
Yeah, it felt so fake.
Yeah.

603
00:34:43,199 –> 00:34:46,199
That had Faces of Death Vibes to
yeah.

604
00:34:46,400 –> 00:34:50,300
And like the plane look, Way too
neat.

605
00:34:50,300 –> 00:34:55,600
And like it just didn’t fit.
And it also wouldn’t they have

606
00:34:55,600 –> 00:34:58,200
just turned to the person with
the camera and been like, oh,

607
00:34:58,200 –> 00:35:00,600
you’re one of them, right?
You know, you’ve got a camera.

608
00:35:00,600 –> 00:35:02,600
Wow.
Yeah, we’re and they like have

609
00:35:02,600 –> 00:35:04,400
can’t.
Well, we have cameras when I

610
00:35:04,400 –> 00:35:05,900
will.
They’re used to cameras.

611
00:35:05,900 –> 00:35:08,400
Now at this point, like, I don’t
know.

612
00:35:08,600 –> 00:35:11,700
I don’t know.
It felt staged, their whole

613
00:35:11,700 –> 00:35:16,000
ritual thing that the film opens
with felt rehearsed.

614
00:35:16,100 –> 00:35:20,000
Yeah, it reminded me of I
mentioned Faces of Death

615
00:35:20,000 –> 00:35:22,100
already.
I remember, even when I was

616
00:35:22,100 –> 00:35:24,600
watching that as an
impressionable kid.

617
00:35:24,800 –> 00:35:27,100
Yeah.
I remember there’s this scene.

618
00:35:27,400 –> 00:35:30,700
It’s like a torture
interrogation scene, and I

619
00:35:30,707 –> 00:35:33,800
remember being horrified, but
then after a while, I’m like,

620
00:35:34,100 –> 00:35:36,000
how are they getting all these
camera angles?

621
00:35:36,300 –> 00:35:41,000
This is they really well shot.
It’s the camera angles.

622
00:35:41,000 –> 00:35:43,800
That’s what gets you.
That’s what gets the bad

623
00:35:43,800 –> 00:35:47,700
found-footage movies to this
because one of my favorites is

624
00:35:47,800 –> 00:35:51,200
into the Storm, which is the
tornado found footage movie.

625
00:35:51,400 –> 00:35:55,600
Not seen that, it’s very bad,
but fun, but like, it’s the

626
00:35:55,600 –> 00:35:58,300
found footage can seat in that
movie makes no sense.

627
00:35:58,300 –> 00:36:02,200
There are, there, will suddenly
be like, a camera, like, right

628
00:36:02,200 –> 00:36:05,400
in this Zoom angle with no
explanation.

629
00:36:05,400 –> 00:36:08,000
It’s so strange.
Anyway, but yeah, it does seem

630
00:36:08,000 –> 00:36:11,300
like whenever you’re watching
footage like this, the camera

631
00:36:11,300 –> 00:36:14,900
angles, give it away because
that means people had to stop

632
00:36:14,900 –> 00:36:18,300
filming and move, and sit up
this camera again.

633
00:36:18,400 –> 00:36:21,600
Then and start shooting again
that just adds artificiality.

634
00:36:21,700 –> 00:36:25,300
Yeah, it’s edited together.
Like there’s different angle.

635
00:36:25,300 –> 00:36:28,200
Like they wouldn’t have just sat
there and let that happen.

636
00:36:28,300 –> 00:36:30,600
What?
They, there’s no way I yeah, I

637
00:36:30,600 –> 00:36:33,000
think I’ve only seen parts of
Faces of Death.

638
00:36:33,200 –> 00:36:35,200
I only have ever sat through the
whole thing.

639
00:36:35,300 –> 00:36:37,500
Yeah.
I mean there’s some stuff in it

640
00:36:37,500 –> 00:36:39,400
that I assume is real.
Like there’s some things that

641
00:36:39,400 –> 00:36:41,000
seem like they couldn’t have
been a be created.

642
00:36:41,000 –> 00:36:44,100
But yeah, a lot of it is just
nonsense.

643
00:36:44,400 –> 00:36:46,400
Yeah, just like ancient alien
theory.

644
00:36:46,400 –> 00:36:47,200
Yes.
Yeah.

645
00:36:47,200 –> 00:36:52,200
Face is a death of Hence the
here it is, the death of

646
00:36:52,200 –> 00:36:55,500
science.
So yeah, that’s kind of the

647
00:36:55,500 –> 00:36:59,600
theory here is that all of the
world’s religions started in

648
00:36:59,600 –> 00:37:05,100
this exact way with visitors
from outer space or from the

649
00:37:05,100 –> 00:37:10,500
skies landing and imparting
knowledge on right people which

650
00:37:10,600 –> 00:37:13,300
again that’s just origin
stories.

651
00:37:13,300 –> 00:37:17,800
Like a lot of like a lot of
religions and groups.

652
00:37:17,900 –> 00:37:19,900
Hell, yeah.
Yeah, belief systems that work

653
00:37:19,900 –> 00:37:22,400
that way.
And the problem is this doesn’t

654
00:37:22,400 –> 00:37:26,300
present any extra evidence to
sort bad idea.

655
00:37:26,600 –> 00:37:29,200
No.
And it’s very Western in

656
00:37:29,200 –> 00:37:32,100
addition to being racist.
It’s also just generally Western

657
00:37:32,400 –> 00:37:36,600
chauvinist modern Western
chauvinist and that it assumes

658
00:37:36,600 –> 00:37:41,800
that any culture that wasn’t
European from the past, could

659
00:37:41,800 –> 00:37:46,400
not achieve anything.
It has no concept of human

660
00:37:46,400 –> 00:37:48,300
ability, like humans are
capable.

661
00:37:48,400 –> 00:37:53,700
Bull of doing insane things when
we all get together and put our

662
00:37:53,700 –> 00:37:56,400
minds to it like throughout
history.

663
00:37:56,400 –> 00:38:00,400
Crazy things have been done and
like they are tough to explain

664
00:38:00,400 –> 00:38:03,200
but they existed like the
Library of Alexandria.

665
00:38:03,200 –> 00:38:07,700
We know that existed even though
it disappeared, but like there’s

666
00:38:07,700 –> 00:38:10,300
knowledge there.
They had knowledge that they

667
00:38:10,300 –> 00:38:14,100
shared with each other, and they
knew how to make things like the

668
00:38:14,100 –> 00:38:17,100
whole thing with the pyramids.
Again, the whole thing.

669
00:38:17,100 –> 00:38:23,000
All they do is say, Doesn’t it
seem so hard to believe that

670
00:38:23,000 –> 00:38:30,200
people from so long ago, could
build something like this with

671
00:38:30,200 –> 00:38:34,000
these heavy bricks and blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.

672
00:38:34,100 –> 00:38:35,700
It’s like yeah, it’s hard to
believe.

673
00:38:35,700 –> 00:38:38,100
But it happened.
We have a fucking pyramids.

674
00:38:38,100 –> 00:38:42,700
People did crazy shits and a lot
of times with stuff like that

675
00:38:42,700 –> 00:38:45,600
where they’re like, can you
believe like would you how would

676
00:38:45,600 –> 00:38:48,000
they have done this?
They’ll sometimes back it up by

677
00:38:48,000 –> 00:38:50,000
saying?
We can’t do it now.

678
00:38:50,100 –> 00:38:52,000
Like this would take someone
doing it now.

679
00:38:52,000 –> 00:38:54,900
A lot of time and it’s like,
well, then those aren’t Time

680
00:38:54,900 –> 00:38:58,700
Travelers because we forgot,
right?

681
00:38:58,700 –> 00:39:02,400
Well, yeah, we learn how to
build pyramids, right again.

682
00:39:02,400 –> 00:39:05,800
And then we come back and what
were we even trying to build if

683
00:39:05,800 –> 00:39:08,200
they’d also like, like what is
happening?

684
00:39:08,400 –> 00:39:11,700
I think there’s lots of things
that people in the past could do

685
00:39:11,700 –> 00:39:15,000
that.
I personally as a person now,

686
00:39:15,000 –> 00:39:18,300
could not, do I know that, I
know that most people couldn’t

687
00:39:18,300 –> 00:39:23,600
Can’t do things like Mongolian
archers from like the 1600’s,

688
00:39:23,800 –> 00:39:27,300
you know, like doing insane
things with bows and arrows on a

689
00:39:27,308 –> 00:39:32,300
horse and almost no one can do
that anymore because there’s not

690
00:39:32,300 –> 00:39:36,700
a need for horseback archery in
the same way, even when they

691
00:39:36,700 –> 00:39:40,100
talk about stuff, like they’re
sort of being evidence that

692
00:39:40,100 –> 00:39:44,800
maybe there was a nuclear
explosion at some point on Earth

693
00:39:44,800 –> 00:39:48,300
in the past.
It’s like listen, maybe but also

694
00:39:48,500 –> 00:39:51,600
Still doesn’t mean aliens could
just mean there was knowledge.

695
00:39:51,600 –> 00:39:57,000
We had that has since been lost.
But also the nuclear explosion

696
00:39:57,000 –> 00:40:01,000
thing was stretch.
Even by this movie.

697
00:40:01,400 –> 00:40:06,000
I could not believe that leap of
like, it’s a nuclear explosion,

698
00:40:06,000 –> 00:40:08,200
bro.
And I really like, okay.

699
00:40:08,200 –> 00:40:11,100
Well, what else could have come
down from the skies and caused

700
00:40:11,100 –> 00:40:13,900
an explosion like that.
Any number of things meteors,

701
00:40:13,900 –> 00:40:18,200
asteroids comets fucking time
travelers.

702
00:40:18,300 –> 00:40:22,800
In airplanes, that’s assuming
that there was an explosion.

703
00:40:22,900 –> 00:40:25,400
We are here thousands of years
later.

704
00:40:25,400 –> 00:40:30,400
We don’t know what happened.
We are looking at surface level

705
00:40:30,400 –> 00:40:34,100
evidence and making these
conclusions that don’t make any

706
00:40:34,100 –> 00:40:37,100
fucking sense.
And again, like I said about it

707
00:40:37,100 –> 00:40:39,600
being so Western chauvinist.
There’s like there’s so many

708
00:40:39,600 –> 00:40:43,700
points that made me so angry.
Like when they are talking about

709
00:40:43,700 –> 00:40:48,200
in Iraq, how they found an
ancient device, that could be

710
00:40:48,400 –> 00:40:52,200
Used to make a electric cell
like a battery, right?

711
00:40:52,300 –> 00:40:56,800
And then the narrator’s, like
yet, count Volta invented the

712
00:40:56,800 –> 00:41:00,700
electric cell. 1,500 years
later.

713
00:41:00,700 –> 00:41:04,000
I’m like, well, then maybe he
wasn’t the first fucking person

714
00:41:04,000 –> 00:41:06,200
to do.
It seems like these people in

715
00:41:06,200 –> 00:41:09,500
Iraq.
Figured it out thousand years

716
00:41:09,500 –> 00:41:12,500
earlier.
So maybe he wasn’t that special

717
00:41:12,500 –> 00:41:17,600
and maybe someone went to Iraq
and found the instructions for

718
00:41:17,600 –> 00:41:20,800
how to make Something like that
and took it back to Europe and

719
00:41:20,800 –> 00:41:23,300
they were like, all right.
I mean they were going to make

720
00:41:23,300 –> 00:41:25,900
this but also destroy that
evidence that shows that when

721
00:41:25,900 –> 00:41:29,300
Americans who invented it, I
mean that’s possible but also

722
00:41:29,300 –> 00:41:32,500
it’s also possible that just
like people forgot how to make

723
00:41:32,500 –> 00:41:36,900
batteries across cultures and in
someone else, quote reinvented

724
00:41:36,900 –> 00:41:39,700
it, parallel thinking happens
all the time and then another

725
00:41:39,700 –> 00:41:43,600
quote that just again drove me.
Insane was they were looking at,

726
00:41:43,700 –> 00:41:48,200
it was somewhere in what they
call the near East, which I

727
00:41:48,400 –> 00:41:50,700
Gives the Middle East.
I’m not exactly sure.

728
00:41:50,900 –> 00:41:54,500
But he said looking at this
archaeological discovery of a

729
00:41:54,500 –> 00:41:57,900
polished lens.
That’s very old that’s like and

730
00:41:57,900 –> 00:42:02,800
he says polished lenses.
Weren’t X executed in Europe

731
00:42:02,800 –> 00:42:08,400
before the 16th century and yet
this one was found in the near

732
00:42:08,400 –> 00:42:12,300
East and is almost 2,000 years
old.

733
00:42:12,400 –> 00:42:14,200
I’m like, okay.
Well then.

734
00:42:14,600 –> 00:42:18,200
Yeah, so what they found in it
was like that what?

735
00:42:18,300 –> 00:42:20,400
What’s the?
You’re saying that only a

736
00:42:20,400 –> 00:42:24,600
European could have invented the
polished lens?

737
00:42:24,700 –> 00:42:26,800
Like, what is the comparison
here?

738
00:42:26,800 –> 00:42:29,200
Well, here’s this is just
proving that there was someone

739
00:42:29,200 –> 00:42:32,200
who made it earlier.
That is what they’re saying, is

740
00:42:32,200 –> 00:42:36,400
the prai.
No, but still like, oh man, a

741
00:42:36,400 –> 00:42:39,100
lot of this when Olivia says
this documentary gets

742
00:42:39,100 –> 00:42:41,400
repetitive.
It’s because what it does.

743
00:42:41,500 –> 00:42:44,700
One of the first things they get
into is examples of the Bible

744
00:42:44,700 –> 00:42:49,300
seeming, to cite things that
seem like, A little more modern

745
00:42:49,300 –> 00:42:52,200
than they should be or like
advanced technology or visitors

746
00:42:52,200 –> 00:42:54,400
from outer space.
And then they do that with every

747
00:42:54,400 –> 00:42:56,900
possible religious text.
Yeah.

748
00:42:56,900 –> 00:43:02,300
And book and anything that they
clearly the next two hours every

749
00:43:02,300 –> 00:43:04,300
cave painting, they show this
cave.

750
00:43:04,300 –> 00:43:09,300
Painting towards the end.
That was from Russia.

751
00:43:09,300 –> 00:43:15,300
I think that literally came from
a Russian newsletter about

752
00:43:15,300 –> 00:43:18,200
Ancient Aliens, like it was a
made-up cave.

753
00:43:18,300 –> 00:43:22,300
Eating for a newsletter that
then was put on a cave and they

754
00:43:22,300 –> 00:43:25,900
took pictures of it for the
movie and said, this is a cave

755
00:43:25,900 –> 00:43:29,700
painting from thousands of years
ago, showing Ancient Aliens.

756
00:43:29,900 –> 00:43:33,500
Yeah, it’s one of the many
things, the Playboy interview

757
00:43:33,500 –> 00:43:37,400
calls him out over and it turns
out he I don’t think ever saw

758
00:43:37,400 –> 00:43:38,900
that painting.
Never.

759
00:43:38,900 –> 00:43:41,600
There’s like, never even any
confirmation that it was ever

760
00:43:41,600 –> 00:43:45,400
real.
I think it’s just nonsense, and

761
00:43:45,400 –> 00:43:47,300
there’s a whole lot of that.
There’s a lot of him

762
00:43:47,300 –> 00:43:50,000
cherry-picking.
Quotes from The Bible.

763
00:43:50,000 –> 00:43:54,200
And then ignoring other quotes,
like, in one religious text.

764
00:43:54,200 –> 00:43:57,900
It mentions that something that
came down from the sky, had the

765
00:43:57,900 –> 00:44:02,200
face of a man, and then this
Playboy writer is like, yeah,

766
00:44:02,200 –> 00:44:05,100
but it also says that one of
them had like, the face of a

767
00:44:05,107 –> 00:44:07,300
cow.
And one of them here Eagle.

768
00:44:07,300 –> 00:44:10,600
It’s like well, what about those
and like he answers them but

769
00:44:10,600 –> 00:44:13,400
it’s like, well, why don’t you
address that in the book?

770
00:44:13,400 –> 00:44:16,500
And it’s because this is a
bullshit Theory.

771
00:44:16,500 –> 00:44:19,000
Yeah.
That’s the We answer.

772
00:44:19,000 –> 00:44:23,500
There we go.
And again, I fell asleep before

773
00:44:23,500 –> 00:44:26,300
this documentary ended, but I /
fucking get it.

774
00:44:26,400 –> 00:44:29,500
So I’m not sure.
Maybe you can tell me, does the

775
00:44:29,500 –> 00:44:31,400
iron pillar of Delhi?
Come up.

776
00:44:32,300 –> 00:44:36,200
No, I don’t believe so better.
Not because here’s the thing

777
00:44:36,200 –> 00:44:39,600
about the iron pillar of Delhi.
This comes up in the book

778
00:44:39,600 –> 00:44:45,100
version of Chariots of the Gods,
which came out in 1968 and he

779
00:44:45,100 –> 00:44:50,700
cites it as just one of the most
Finn itive pieces of proof that

780
00:44:50,700 –> 00:44:54,500
there was alien intervention in
human society.

781
00:44:54,500 –> 00:44:57,800
At some point, because the
pillar of Delhi, it’s just this

782
00:44:57,900 –> 00:45:00,500
iron pillar.
It’s like an iron post.

783
00:45:00,800 –> 00:45:06,100
That is thousands of years old,
but she’s so old and it’s barely

784
00:45:06,100 –> 00:45:11,300
rusted, and it’s still standing.
Mmm, and he presents it in

785
00:45:11,300 –> 00:45:14,400
Chariots of the Gods, as one.
It has no rust on it.

786
00:45:14,500 –> 00:45:16,600
Yeah.
To no one knows where it came

787
00:45:16,600 –> 00:45:18,700
from or how it was constructed.
Truck today.

788
00:45:18,700 –> 00:45:23,100
And well, before this book was
published, people addressed all

789
00:45:23,100 –> 00:45:25,600
of that.
And by the time the book was

790
00:45:25,600 –> 00:45:27,600
published.
They did know how it was

791
00:45:27,600 –> 00:45:29,000
constructed.
Yeah.

792
00:45:29,100 –> 00:45:32,900
It does have some rust on it.
It’s just the way these

793
00:45:32,900 –> 00:45:35,300
particular Alloys were put
together.

794
00:45:35,600 –> 00:45:38,900
It’s not as prone to rust as
other metals.

795
00:45:38,900 –> 00:45:42,600
So it’s a neat thing.
Yeah, very cool, but its

796
00:45:42,600 –> 00:45:46,300
existence, and creation has been
explained and he just

797
00:45:46,300 –> 00:45:50,900
conveniently leaves.
That part out of the book.

798
00:45:51,000 –> 00:45:53,700
So of course, it’s good that
it’s not in the movie, but it’s

799
00:45:53,700 –> 00:45:58,000
also another example of what
kind of thinking went in, coming

800
00:45:58,000 –> 00:46:01,600
up with this Theory, it’s none.
It’s confirmation bias.

801
00:46:01,600 –> 00:46:06,700
It’s it just honestly, you know,
I know that it’s racist and

802
00:46:06,700 –> 00:46:10,600
evil, but like just the vibe of
the narration.

803
00:46:10,900 –> 00:46:15,200
It feels like you’re listening
to a stoner in 1969.

804
00:46:15,300 –> 00:46:18,000
Just do stream-of-consciousness,
man.

805
00:46:18,200 –> 00:46:21,800
About like the fucking crazy
shit.

806
00:46:21,800 –> 00:46:25,600
You can find out in the world.
And I bet fucking aliens are

807
00:46:25,600 –> 00:46:27,700
involved, man.
Because again, you know, like we

808
00:46:27,700 –> 00:46:30,400
said, there’s never any concrete
point.

809
00:46:30,400 –> 00:46:35,500
It’s always like, but man,
doesn’t it look like a space

810
00:46:35,500 –> 00:46:39,100
suit, man.
That’s that over and over.

811
00:46:39,100 –> 00:46:43,000
Yeah, and it’s like people were
masks back then, like people

812
00:46:43,000 –> 00:46:44,300
were.
All right, so fucking

813
00:46:44,300 –> 00:46:48,500
accoutrement in their rituals,
but also people were Looking

814
00:46:48,500 –> 00:46:53,100
creative and would sometimes
like draw fiction on there, you

815
00:46:53,100 –> 00:46:56,300
know, and that’s what we’re
finding or also, you know, this

816
00:46:56,300 –> 00:46:59,400
was something I was thinking
about a lot because we watched

817
00:46:59,400 –> 00:47:02,300
you know, the whole dot
documentary just had a lot of

818
00:47:02,300 –> 00:47:05,400
cave paintings and and so you
just kind of start to think

819
00:47:05,400 –> 00:47:09,100
about cave paintings.
I bet some of those people are

820
00:47:09,100 –> 00:47:11,700
just shitty artists, you know
what I mean?

821
00:47:12,000 –> 00:47:15,200
They even for the time, there
were people out there in the

822
00:47:15,200 –> 00:47:18,100
cave, painting days, who are
making these beautiful real.

823
00:47:18,200 –> 00:47:22,000
Realistic portraits of their
friends, and neighbors and

824
00:47:22,000 –> 00:47:24,200
paint.
And like, then there’s just this

825
00:47:24,200 –> 00:47:29,100
asshole who’s like, Carvin
fucking Pyramid Head to dude,

826
00:47:29,100 –> 00:47:33,400
into a rock, and that stays
forever and the Beautiful Payton

827
00:47:33,400 –> 00:47:37,200
gets watched away.
That’s as possible or more.

828
00:47:37,200 –> 00:47:39,900
It’s more possible than Ancient
Aliens.

829
00:47:40,000 –> 00:47:42,400
Yeah.
I think the one interesting

830
00:47:42,400 –> 00:47:46,100
thing that comes up in the
documentary and in ancient alien

831
00:47:46,100 –> 00:47:48,100
theory, in general is the Nazca
Lines.

832
00:47:48,200 –> 00:47:50,300
Ends, but those are just
interesting.

833
00:47:50,500 –> 00:47:53,300
They’re very cool.
And there are thing that no one

834
00:47:53,300 –> 00:47:56,300
has ever been able to fully
explain, right?

835
00:47:56,300 –> 00:47:59,700
So, of course, you can be like,
oh, it’s an airport Shirin the,

836
00:47:59,800 –> 00:48:02,300
when the time travelers came
that was the, those were the

837
00:48:02,300 –> 00:48:05,000
runways and things and it’s
like, all right, but what about

838
00:48:05,000 –> 00:48:06,500
the fucking chicken in the
corner?

839
00:48:06,700 –> 00:48:08,900
Right?
That for what’s the Spider-Man?

840
00:48:08,900 –> 00:48:09,500
Yeah.
What?

841
00:48:09,500 –> 00:48:12,200
Yeah, what a guy waving in
grabbing his left.

842
00:48:12,200 –> 00:48:14,500
Kneecap.
What does any of that about,

843
00:48:14,600 –> 00:48:16,600
right?
And like and then the answer is

844
00:48:16,700 –> 00:48:19,300
so people could see it.
Yeah, aliens.

845
00:48:19,400 –> 00:48:22,200
Yeah entertainment, you know,
aliens did the entertainment

846
00:48:22,200 –> 00:48:24,300
while their ships landing and
they also oh it.

847
00:48:24,300 –> 00:48:27,700
They always Trot out, you know,
when you look at these from the

848
00:48:27,700 –> 00:48:29,900
ground, they don’t look like
anything.

849
00:48:29,900 –> 00:48:36,000
They only look like something
from a plane’s height and I’m

850
00:48:36,000 –> 00:48:38,800
like, no.
There are they never met there’s

851
00:48:38,800 –> 00:48:42,800
Hills.
It’s the valley has Cavalli.

852
00:48:42,900 –> 00:48:46,200
There’s Hills all around the
fucking thing like you can see

853
00:48:46,200 –> 00:48:49,200
it from that height people.
Looking down.

854
00:48:49,200 –> 00:48:52,900
And also if you’re standing on
the ground, you can see it.

855
00:48:53,000 –> 00:48:56,000
And also yeah, looks like a cool
like lying design.

856
00:48:56,000 –> 00:48:58,300
Yeah, you’re at least going to
see a bunch of what look like.

857
00:48:58,400 –> 00:49:01,200
I don’t know, like, shallow
canals sort of like, yeah,

858
00:49:01,200 –> 00:49:03,800
they’re mostly just like,
because they’ve been there for

859
00:49:03,800 –> 00:49:07,800
so long and because there’s so
little wind in that region.

860
00:49:07,800 –> 00:49:12,400
They just basically removed like
the top layer of the dirt, and

861
00:49:12,400 –> 00:49:14,600
it kept those lines.
It’s fucking cool.

862
00:49:14,700 –> 00:49:17,400
They’re cool as hell.
And I don’t want you to take

863
00:49:17,400 –> 00:49:22,100
that away from Um, the peruvians
honestly, and that’s actually a

864
00:49:22,100 –> 00:49:23,600
thing.
I don’t know if I put it in the

865
00:49:23,600 –> 00:49:26,700
notes, but that I came across
when I was looking into this,

866
00:49:26,700 –> 00:49:29,700
that’s a complaint.
A lot of people had after

867
00:49:29,800 –> 00:49:33,400
Chariots of the Gods came out,
because people were, like, is no

868
00:49:33,400 –> 00:49:37,100
one going to debunk.
This alien thing, like, No One’s

869
00:49:37,100 –> 00:49:40,900
Gonna Come Out And refute this.
And that’s the one thing that he

870
00:49:40,900 –> 00:49:44,700
presented in this book.
That no one ever really took him

871
00:49:44,700 –> 00:49:47,800
to task over, and it’s because
no one knows.

872
00:49:48,300 –> 00:49:51,700
Like one person thinks it’s like
irrigation related and moving

873
00:49:51,700 –> 00:49:53,200
water, which makes perfect
sense.

874
00:49:53,500 –> 00:49:57,100
One guy thinks it’s related to
textile production because

875
00:49:57,100 –> 00:50:00,000
something they made their had
these in Crimean long threads

876
00:50:00,000 –> 00:50:03,100
and yeah, he could be just, it
could be just art.

877
00:50:03,100 –> 00:50:05,800
It could be religious.
But again, you know, this is

878
00:50:05,800 –> 00:50:09,000
like we were saying earlier.
This is just one of those things

879
00:50:09,000 –> 00:50:13,900
that it is until we literally
actually invent time travel and

880
00:50:13,900 –> 00:50:17,900
even then, who knows it’s just
impossible for us to know, will

881
00:50:17,900 –> 00:50:19,600
know.
Never know for sure.

882
00:50:19,600 –> 00:50:23,200
What the Nazca Lines are.
I hope we invent time travel and

883
00:50:23,200 –> 00:50:28,500
we go back and ask and whoever
we ask is like, oh this it’s an

884
00:50:28,500 –> 00:50:31,400
Etsy store.
It’s just you pay me.

885
00:50:31,400 –> 00:50:34,500
I’ll draw whatever you want on
the ground, go up in the hills

886
00:50:34,500 –> 00:50:36,300
and look at it.
Let’s have an airplane like

887
00:50:36,300 –> 00:50:38,100
those.
Yeah, go ahead times.

888
00:50:38,100 –> 00:50:40,600
Yeah, but yeah, that’s all it
is.

889
00:50:40,600 –> 00:50:43,900
Why would you think it is
airport?

890
00:50:43,900 –> 00:50:46,800
Come on Airport?
You’re sure what you’re crazy,

891
00:50:46,900 –> 00:50:49,300
turns out they have time.
All to write.

892
00:50:49,300 –> 00:50:52,700
They this is whole recursive
Loop.

893
00:50:53,700 –> 00:50:56,500
Yeah.
I mean, you know, I feel I don’t

894
00:50:56,500 –> 00:50:58,100
know the Nazca Lines are just
cool.

895
00:50:58,100 –> 00:51:01,600
That’s all you can say about it.
Yes, that they’re just cool.

896
00:51:01,600 –> 00:51:04,500
I’m glad they exist.
I would love to see them in real

897
00:51:04,500 –> 00:51:07,700
life, which is another side
effect of Chariots of the Gods.

898
00:51:07,700 –> 00:51:11,900
I know it’s been they’ve been
trampled over people drive over

899
00:51:11,900 –> 00:51:14,400
them.
Like people there have been like

900
00:51:14,400 –> 00:51:17,200
Industries set up around
protecting the Nazca Lines.

901
00:51:17,200 –> 00:51:20,100
Be, I mean in, Into the gods in
ancient and Theory.

902
00:51:20,100 –> 00:51:24,300
That’s one of the ways in which
this is just a actually evil

903
00:51:24,600 –> 00:51:30,300
work because it has caused
material harm to important,

904
00:51:30,300 –> 00:51:33,000
historic sites.
Yeah, and that sucks.

905
00:51:33,000 –> 00:51:35,900
I would just like to go like
nearby and look at them.

906
00:51:35,900 –> 00:51:38,500
I don’t need to go down and walk
on them.

907
00:51:38,500 –> 00:51:40,000
Yeah.
No, I mean, ruins it would be

908
00:51:40,000 –> 00:51:43,300
fine to stand on one of those
Hills and just yeah, down silly

909
00:51:43,300 –> 00:51:45,100
Hill.
I’d like to see it from that

910
00:51:45,100 –> 00:51:47,200
angle and then see it from like
ground level.

911
00:51:47,200 –> 00:51:49,000
And I’m done.
Yeah, I’m good.

912
00:51:49,000 –> 00:51:52,100
There are lines in the sand.
I don’t need to be prepared to

913
00:51:52,100 –> 00:51:55,800
do donuts on an ATV.
Yeah, and um, you know, and

914
00:51:55,800 –> 00:51:59,500
massive lines, my own, what
sites like to go to most of the

915
00:51:59,500 –> 00:52:02,500
places that were featured in
this film, which is why it was

916
00:52:02,500 –> 00:52:05,600
generally Pleasant to watch.
Yeah, because it’s like, oh,

917
00:52:05,600 –> 00:52:07,700
yeah.
I know that’s on a dirt bike is

918
00:52:07,700 –> 00:52:11,200
what ya say, right.
Exactly, but it’s like oh yeah,

919
00:52:11,200 –> 00:52:13,900
La Paz is really cool.
I mean, you’re portraying it

920
00:52:13,900 –> 00:52:18,000
like a city of savages, instead
of a modern capital of a Nation.

921
00:52:18,100 –> 00:52:21,700
And yeah, but like, you know,
it’s still cool Easter Island.

922
00:52:21,700 –> 00:52:24,800
I mean, Rapa Nui is what you
should call it, but it’s still

923
00:52:24,800 –> 00:52:27,400
an interesting place.
And those Stone heads are cool.

924
00:52:27,600 –> 00:52:30,300
Like, you know, that’s just kind
of was my vibe through the whole

925
00:52:30,300 –> 00:52:34,100
thing was like, well, you’re
here for awful reasons and

926
00:52:34,100 –> 00:52:38,600
you’re telling me seditious,
like awful, Insidious lies, but

927
00:52:38,600 –> 00:52:41,000
it’s kind of cool.
Like, I like these things.

928
00:52:41,000 –> 00:52:43,300
Like looks very nice.
Yeah.

929
00:52:43,300 –> 00:52:45,300
I always like to look at the
pyramids.

930
00:52:45,400 –> 00:52:48,000
It’s funny that they said we
don’t know anything.

931
00:52:48,200 –> 00:52:50,300
About the Sphinx.
I don’t know.

932
00:52:50,300 –> 00:52:52,100
That seems like a stretch.
Why?

933
00:52:52,100 –> 00:52:53,200
What?
Why don’t we do anything?

934
00:52:53,400 –> 00:52:56,900
I mean, I’m sure we knew Less in
1970 than we might now.

935
00:52:56,900 –> 00:52:59,600
Yes, but we didn’t know when it
was built.

936
00:52:59,600 –> 00:53:02,900
Like it was very weird, how
little information he wanted to

937
00:53:02,900 –> 00:53:06,700
give about the Sphinx, which
seems like it should be like a

938
00:53:06,700 –> 00:53:10,600
big deal and it’s very, you
know, if you want to say

939
00:53:10,600 –> 00:53:13,000
something about aliens.
It’s a big cat guy.

940
00:53:13,300 –> 00:53:17,200
Yeah, was there were there any
moments that stood out to you

941
00:53:17,200 –> 00:53:19,300
that we haven’t.
Discussed that you want to talk

942
00:53:19,300 –> 00:53:22,800
about God, not really it.
All Blends together is the

943
00:53:22,800 –> 00:53:24,400
problem.
Then there’s the part where they

944
00:53:24,400 –> 00:53:30,000
show the dogu, the Japanese
statue from like the Jomon

945
00:53:30,100 –> 00:53:33,500
period.
And that was interesting because

946
00:53:33,500 –> 00:53:38,900
they showed a expert on screen
who was speaking in Russian and

947
00:53:38,900 –> 00:53:45,400
then the narrator just talked
over him and just like a certain

948
00:53:45,400 –> 00:53:48,000
all this stuff and like I’m sure
the guy was also talking.

949
00:53:48,100 –> 00:53:52,100
Think about it, representing an
alien, or whatever, but like,

950
00:53:52,400 –> 00:53:56,200
well, that like, for sure those
dogu statues are pretty cool.

951
00:53:56,200 –> 00:54:00,800
Yeah, they’re like little poofy
arm, dudes with crazy oval

952
00:54:00,800 –> 00:54:05,400
heads, but like Jomon period and
Japan’s fucking interesting in

953
00:54:05,400 –> 00:54:08,200
general.
So I’d rather just go learn

954
00:54:08,200 –> 00:54:10,000
about that.
Watch Princess Mononoke or

955
00:54:10,000 –> 00:54:11,400
something instead.
Yeah.

956
00:54:11,400 –> 00:54:13,000
It really is a whole lot of
that.

957
00:54:13,000 –> 00:54:15,800
It’s a whole lot of.
Well, what were these people

958
00:54:15,800 –> 00:54:17,900
drawing?
Why did it look like that?

959
00:54:18,000 –> 00:54:21,600
At that can’t be anything but an
alien and it’s like, right

960
00:54:21,600 –> 00:54:25,100
motherfuckers are going to find
Pepe the Frog 500 years from now

961
00:54:25,100 –> 00:54:26,900
and be like.
Who was this guy?

962
00:54:26,900 –> 00:54:30,000
No, I think about this some the
luckily so much of it is

963
00:54:30,200 –> 00:54:33,700
executed.
Luckily so much of that bullshit

964
00:54:33,700 –> 00:54:37,600
is just digital.
So like it won’t exist in 500

965
00:54:37,600 –> 00:54:39,900
years.
Yeah, like that’ll yeah.

966
00:54:39,900 –> 00:54:42,600
I mean there was like one moment
where they show like an animal

967
00:54:42,600 –> 00:54:47,300
skull and they claim that it was
killed by a bullet because it

968
00:54:47,300 –> 00:54:50,700
had around All in the middle of
its skull.

969
00:54:50,900 –> 00:54:54,300
And I like it only could have
been killed by a high-speed

970
00:54:54,300 –> 00:54:58,200
projectile on Mike.
You mean like an arrow and you

971
00:54:58,200 –> 00:55:03,700
know, could Rock bullets aren’t
the only thing that can

972
00:55:03,700 –> 00:55:06,500
penetrate a skull.
That’s what zombie movies are

973
00:55:06,500 –> 00:55:07,600
built on.
Yeah.

974
00:55:07,900 –> 00:55:10,900
Something falling off of a tree
a pickaxe.

975
00:55:10,900 –> 00:55:13,900
I don’t know, man.
So, but yeah, other than that,

976
00:55:13,900 –> 00:55:17,000
like, fall on something sharp
and I feel like my pierced the

977
00:55:17,000 –> 00:55:17,900
skull.
Yeah, it all.

978
00:55:18,000 –> 00:55:20,300
Kind of Blended together.
I like I always like to see the

979
00:55:20,300 –> 00:55:22,200
Easter Island.
Heads good dudes.

980
00:55:22,700 –> 00:55:25,700
They seem chill.
They were really good and

981
00:55:25,800 –> 00:55:28,800
everything else again.
It just is like National

982
00:55:28,800 –> 00:55:32,300
Geographic stock footage and
it’s cool to see the world in

983
00:55:32,300 –> 00:55:34,900
the set in 1969.
Yeah.

984
00:55:34,900 –> 00:55:37,900
It’s that’s fun.
Yeah, it’s fun in that way.

985
00:55:38,000 –> 00:55:41,600
If you’re familiar with ancient
alien Theory, you definitely

986
00:55:41,600 –> 00:55:44,800
don’t need to watch this for
information purposes.

987
00:55:44,800 –> 00:55:47,900
Like this is a completist thing.
Like, if you’re just passionate

988
00:55:47,900 –> 00:55:51,100
about Out ancient alien theory.
He want to see where it all

989
00:55:51,100 –> 00:55:54,100
started this.
Yeah, that but it’s sort of

990
00:55:54,100 –> 00:55:55,400
that.
I was going to say.

991
00:55:55,400 –> 00:55:57,700
Yeah, it’s this is not essential
viewing.

992
00:55:57,900 –> 00:56:02,500
In any capacity unless you are
like you said just fascinated in

993
00:56:02,500 –> 00:56:06,500
the history of this thing.
In the fact that this was as a

994
00:56:06,500 –> 00:56:09,400
cultural object.
It is interesting.

995
00:56:09,400 –> 00:56:13,600
And it’s easier to watch than
other conspiracy objects like

996
00:56:13,600 –> 00:56:16,500
this, so them can be a real
struggle.

997
00:56:16,500 –> 00:56:20,300
And this one is at least.
Boring and easy on the eyes.

998
00:56:20,500 –> 00:56:23,700
Yeah, so I think that’s our
episode, right?

999
00:56:23,700 –> 00:56:25,400
Yeah, I think so.
We did it.

1000
00:56:25,400 –> 00:56:26,800
We made it.
Hell.

1001
00:56:26,800 –> 00:56:27,500
Yeah.
Yeah.

1002
00:56:27,500 –> 00:56:29,100
Don’t watch this.
Don’t know.

1003
00:56:29,100 –> 00:56:31,800
Please don’t believe ancient
alien Theory.

1004
00:56:31,800 –> 00:56:34,800
It’s racist.
Bullshit like literal Nazi.

1005
00:56:34,800 –> 00:56:37,500
Bullshit.
Is it God’s?

1006
00:56:37,700 –> 00:56:40,800
It’s just racist.
Like, even if it’s not fully

1007
00:56:40,800 –> 00:56:44,400
funded by Nazis was just seems
like it was if you just think

1008
00:56:44,400 –> 00:56:47,900
about it beyond the surface
level 45 seconds.

1009
00:56:48,100 –> 00:56:51,900
You’ll realize the kind of
racist underbelly that’s

1010
00:56:51,900 –> 00:56:55,900
underneath and how it is taking
credit away from these cultures

1011
00:56:55,900 –> 00:56:58,600
that are fabulous, and are
amazing to learn.

1012
00:56:58,600 –> 00:57:02,300
Go read a history book.
There’s so much out there about

1013
00:57:02,300 –> 00:57:05,700
these ancient cultures and what
they could achieve and how they

1014
00:57:05,700 –> 00:57:08,900
achieved it and that shit’s
fucking fascinating.

1015
00:57:09,200 –> 00:57:13,000
Yeah, and this reminded me of it
so I didn’t hate watching it.

1016
00:57:13,100 –> 00:57:17,900
Otherwise, it’s worthless.
There are some Travel Channel.

1017
00:57:18,000 –> 00:57:20,800
It’s like you’ll learn about
cool places that you’ll probably

1018
00:57:20,800 –> 00:57:22,800
want to go.
See yourself after you see him.

1019
00:57:22,800 –> 00:57:25,000
Like there’s a lot of places
that they show in this that I

1020
00:57:25,000 –> 00:57:28,100
would love to see but not
because I think time traveling

1021
00:57:28,100 –> 00:57:32,000
aliens again built it.
Yeah, just watch a National

1022
00:57:32,000 –> 00:57:34,800
Geographic show.
Watch playing that earthwatch.

1023
00:57:34,800 –> 00:57:38,000
You know, what’s great is that
plant or spin-off that David

1024
00:57:38,000 –> 00:57:40,400
Attenborough did, that was
called?

1025
00:57:40,500 –> 00:57:42,400
I think it was just called
humans.

1026
00:57:42,800 –> 00:57:45,500
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, and it was about an

1027
00:57:45,500 –> 00:57:48,300
anthropological version of
planet Earth, that was about How

1028
00:57:48,300 –> 00:57:53,600
humans survive in different
environments and that shit rules

1029
00:57:53,600 –> 00:57:57,800
and is a million times better
than Chariots of the Gods.

1030
00:57:58,200 –> 00:58:03,200
And it’ll give you just as much
cool mystery of the human race

1031
00:58:03,200 –> 00:58:04,800
shit to think about.
Yeah.

1032
00:58:04,800 –> 00:58:08,400
Yeah watch that instead.
Do we have anything to plug

1033
00:58:08,400 –> 00:58:11,000
before we get out of here?
You know?

1034
00:58:11,000 –> 00:58:15,500
Yeah, you can find me on Twitter
and letterboxed at hi there hide

1035
00:58:15,500 –> 00:58:17,100
our I’m gonna keep plugging my
letterbox.

1036
00:58:17,100 –> 00:58:19,200
Nobody gives a shit.
A ship, but that’s the only

1037
00:58:19,200 –> 00:58:21,000
thing I like writing on these
days.

1038
00:58:21,000 –> 00:58:23,100
I hate tweeting.
It makes me feel bad there.

1039
00:58:23,100 –> 00:58:26,200
Yeah, I’m, I can’t get back into
Twitter.

1040
00:58:26,300 –> 00:58:30,100
It’s rough.
But but I’m happy to post my 0

1041
00:58:30,100 –> 00:58:33,400
star review of Trump versus the
Illuminati and my one star

1042
00:58:33,400 –> 00:58:38,500
review of Chariots of the Gods.
Which gets one star for looking

1043
00:58:38,500 –> 00:58:39,700
nice.
Yeah.

1044
00:58:39,900 –> 00:58:41,500
Yeah.
It does have that going for it.

1045
00:58:41,800 –> 00:58:45,700
Um, patreon.com slash on pops,
gun pops Network that super cast

1046
00:58:45,700 –> 00:58:47,400
dot Tech.
You can get bonus episodes

1047
00:58:47,400 –> 00:58:49,900
there.
Right in your Spotify app and

1048
00:58:49,900 –> 00:58:53,700
soon in your Apple podcast app
just bonus episodes everywhere

1049
00:58:53,700 –> 00:58:55,700
were filthy with them.
Well, yeah.

1050
00:58:55,800 –> 00:58:59,800
Last week’s essential listening
our review of Trump versus the

1051
00:58:59,800 –> 00:59:01,700
Illuminati.
You gotta check it out.

1052
00:59:01,700 –> 00:59:05,800
Don’t watch the movie.
But, but let’s just do or maybe

1053
00:59:05,800 –> 00:59:06,800
what?
Now don’t watch.

1054
00:59:06,800 –> 00:59:09,500
No, don’t no, I’m serious.
Fuck it.

1055
00:59:09,500 –> 00:59:12,900
Don’t especially not if you’re a
big Sasquatch fan, just watch

1056
00:59:12,900 –> 00:59:15,000
Bigfoot versus the Illuminati.
Instead.

1057
00:59:15,300 –> 00:59:18,200
You know, what, you watch the
man who killed Hitler.

1058
00:59:18,200 –> 00:59:20,200
And then the Bigfoot you ever
seen that movie?

1059
00:59:20,200 –> 00:59:22,300
No, because that’s another one
of those roots.

1060
00:59:22,300 –> 00:59:24,100
Like that just seems like a joke
movie.

1061
00:59:24,400 –> 00:59:29,000
No, it’s a joke.
It is not.

1062
00:59:29,200 –> 00:59:32,400
It is fucking great.
I’m not joking.

1063
00:59:32,600 –> 00:59:34,800
It’s good.
The man who killed Hitler and

1064
00:59:34,800 –> 00:59:38,900
then the Bigfoot is a
legitimately very, very good

1065
00:59:38,900 –> 00:59:40,800
movie.
And it’s like a real movie.

1066
00:59:40,800 –> 00:59:43,100
It’s not the movie.
You’re thinking it is.

1067
00:59:43,100 –> 00:59:45,000
That’s not like some Sharknado
shit.

1068
00:59:45,000 –> 00:59:45,700
It’s not.
Okay.

1069
00:59:45,700 –> 00:59:47,800
Versus okay Luminosity.
Yes.

1070
00:59:48,300 –> 00:59:51,200
Great, then.
I watch it because I saw

1071
00:59:51,200 –> 00:59:53,600
trailers of the posters and
stuff like yeah, I’m like, man.

1072
00:59:53,600 –> 00:59:56,500
I’m so sick of this kind of
thing because here’s the thing.

1073
00:59:56,700 –> 01:00:00,500
Even the title.
You’re like, well, why why

1074
01:00:00,500 –> 01:00:02,600
Hitler?
And Bigfoot ride?

1075
01:00:02,600 –> 01:00:05,800
I mean, yeah, the movie makes it
make sense.

1076
01:00:06,000 –> 01:00:10,100
Like you understand.
Once that happens you get y.

1077
01:00:10,100 –> 01:00:13,000
All right.
Well, yeah, this is the guy who

1078
01:00:13,000 –> 01:00:15,400
has to there is no one else in
pain.

1079
01:00:15,400 –> 01:00:19,900
Send except sort of Became
misogynist, Sam Elliott.

1080
01:00:20,100 –> 01:00:22,200
I mean, yeah, that whole thing.
I hate.

1081
01:00:22,200 –> 01:00:25,200
Yeah.
Yeah, but you still what does

1082
01:00:25,200 –> 01:00:29,600
Annoying discussion, but you
still have to watch movie.

1083
01:00:30,000 –> 01:00:32,900
Oh, yeah, I’m going it sounds
interesting.

1084
01:00:32,900 –> 01:00:34,100
Look.
I like Sam Elliott.

1085
01:00:34,100 –> 01:00:37,000
No bullshit that he says on the
red carpet or whatever, in an

1086
01:00:37,000 –> 01:00:40,100
interview is gonna get change.
That I can’t help it.

1087
01:00:40,100 –> 01:00:42,100
I might what movie again this
weekend.

1088
01:00:42,700 –> 01:00:46,200
I will check it out because I up
until this point had just

1089
01:00:46,200 –> 01:00:50,400
written it off as bullshit.
It, but be surprised I will.

1090
01:00:50,500 –> 01:00:55,200
So that’s my plug, man, who
killed and I think that’s it.

1091
01:00:55,200 –> 01:00:57,500
Let’s get out of here.
Olivia say goodbye.

1092
01:00:57,500 –> 01:00:58,800
Bye.
Goodbye.

1093
01:00:58,800 –> 01:00:59,700
Everybody.
We love you.