Conspiracy! The Show 190: The Propaganda Game

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Which of the transparent you?
This whole upper chest?

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Hey everybody.
Welcome to conspiracy the show.

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I’m Adam Todd Brown.
Who are you?

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I’m Olivia hide.
Our, we are your hosts, and your

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guests.
Like every week.

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We are both Olivia.
How’s it going?

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Have you been since we recorded
last?

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Oh, you know, I’m actually, I’m
feeling a little better since we

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recorded last.
Yeah, a lot has changed in the

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world, you know, yeah.
Actually, you know, I’ve I’ve

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gotten out there, I’ve been
talking to people, it’s good.

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We’re still not in Ukraine,
still haven’t sent troops.

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I hope by the time he’s goes up,
because here’s the Dirty Little

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Secret.
We record these episodes

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back-to-back.
So we’re working in the future

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right now.
We have no idea what happens

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next week if there is a next
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Oh my God.
Yeah.

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I really, I really hope we
haven’t done anything.

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Oh my God, by the way.
Way to start the episode.

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I just am.
So immediately just driven to

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the depression.
I think it’s a good thing to

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mention at the start of this
episode because we’re talking

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about something that is going to
play a huge part in things that

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happen in Ukraine.
Going forward.

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Sure.
Yeah, which is actually him

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propaganda.
Mmm.

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You’re going to hear a lot of
it.

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You’re already seeing it.
Oh, even if it’s not

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government-sponsored like
there’s a ton of stuff going up

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on tick-tock.
People are like look at this

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Soldier filming an invasion on
Tick-Tock.

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It’s like that is a guy
skydiving in 2015.

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Right?
Well, I mean in even you know,

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we all we all interact with
propaganda every day and our

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daily lives.
Just through the pure fact of

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consuming American Media that
which is itself, an apparatus of

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propaganda in some form or
another.

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There’s very little that doesn’t
Engender a love of a western

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capitalist acai deal within us.
I’ve done a couple episodes

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about a book called the CIA and
the cult of intelligence.

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And one of the things they
talked about in that book is

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that in the 70s and 80 in their
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Probably still now.
Yeah, the CIA would set up these

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basically propaganda outfits
that would broadcast fake.

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Stories to whatever region they
were hoping to influence trying

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to convince the people that the
government that was leading them

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was corrupt and should be
replaced.

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And there was one of these
stations in particular that did

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that but what their role was was
to monitor news reports from

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other countries and basically
report that back to whoever

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needed it.
They would send it to the

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government.
But also people in like Academia

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and things and they would keep
track of Legitimate news

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reports, but they would also
keep track of who was paying

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attention to those fake news
stories that the CIA was putting

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out.
And what would happen is,

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sometimes those fake news,
stories would get mixed in with

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the legitimate news stories that
they were sending out to the

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government and to academics.
And when that happened, they be

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like, oh well, so like so, now
professors all around the

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country are forming their
opinion of China.

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Based on a fake article.
We put out big deal, right?

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You kind of see.
Similar things with North Korea,

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which is the subject of this
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Absolutely.
North Korea is one of the most.

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I mean, it’s such a, it’s a
fascinating country in a lot of

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ways, but it is also a country
that is so intentionally,

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misunderstood in the west where
so many forces, like, what’s

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interesting about that whole CIA
thing is, I think what they

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probably realize is that they
didn’t really need to do any of

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that work.
This is my Thing about a lot of

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stuff that the CIA did Research
into where what we have now is

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things like our various news
conglomerates that have a

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right-wing lean that own local
news networks, and tell them

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what to are whether or not it is
factual or not.

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And that is way more effective
than whatever the CIA was

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planning on doing.
And it’s also not outside the

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realm of possibility that that
is somehow.

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CIA connect the sugar ye has
front companies and influence in

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companies.
So no matter who’s doing it.

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What’s happening?
Like you, see those clips all

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the time of those local news
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It’s usually Sinclair
broadcasting where, yeah, every

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reporter in every town is just
reading a script about the same

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talking point.
And that’s just as bad, like, I

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don’t know why people are so I
don’t know, maybe people do

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accept it as propaganda, but I
don’t, I don’t know.

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Think they do.
And that’s clearly what it is.

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That is, yeah, someone at a very
high level government involved,

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or not.
Yeah, wanting one message.

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Put out to people, whether it’s
factual enough.

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They just want to influence the
way things work.

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And I think this document I were
talking about the documentary,

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The propaganda game.
And I think one of the things

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that this documentary does, a
good job at is very gently

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without putting too much.
Of an emphasis on it.

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Very gently, guiding the viewer
towards that realization by how

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intercuts, the way that American
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which is weirdly proportionally.
Clipped a lot more in this movie

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than other news, outlets how
they speak about North Korea and

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how that is a type of propaganda
and its own right.

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And And I think this is a good
that the thing this documentary

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is the best at is being a fairly
good introduction to the idea

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that there is a larger
dialectical discussion to be had

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about North Korea.
Other than the Western Narrative

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of it being a hopelessly
backward place where only Human

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Rights abuses happen and the
actual people who live there

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are.
Are totally back rounded and not

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thought of at all other than as
victims, which fit into a

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narrative.
Yeah, and it starts with that,

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right away.
It one of the things that opens

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with is a montage of clips of
various media, outlets and

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elected officials talking about
how insane North Korea is.

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Yeah, and how unhappy the people
are and then it cuts to the most

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Charming, xylophone performance
I’ve ever seen in my entire

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life.
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The thing about this scene and a
lot of scenes in this

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documentary.
If you read reviews of this

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documentary, which came out in
2015, by the way, if you read

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reviews of this, there’s all
these scenes, like, the

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xylophone scene and people are
like.

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Well, yeah, that’s just North
Korea.

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Showing you what they want you
to see, right?

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But also, this girl clearly
knows how to play the xylophone.

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Sure.
And they have all put this

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routine together.
Like I don’t think they learned

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it.
Overnight upon finding out that

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a filmmaker was coming said,
like, what would this

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performance have looked like if
the cameras weren’t there, was

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she going to be like beating
dissidents in the head with her

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silence on sticks.
It’s an interesting thing

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because and this is something
that will definitely talk about

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more because this is like, the
heart of the documentary is that

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there are definitely scenes
within the film that at least,

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in my opinion have clearly been
Aged for the film makers in

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order to present some sort of
image of how the government

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wants the country portrayed.
But one of the things that I I

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like about this film is that it
is constantly showing footage

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from a distance of people in the
country just kind of living and

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you know, they’re at a park.
They’re you know, they’re just

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going to and from like you know
that Going to the giant Bronze

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Statues of their past leaders,
which are weird.

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But so is Mount Rushmore like
so, you know, but like there’s

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enough stuff like so much of
this documentary.

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Like there’s enough focus on
people who are clearly unaware

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of the fact that they are being
filmed, that it does show that

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there’s more going on than just.
It’s not just all a setup.

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It couldn’t.
Be as setup, right?

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Would be it like it’s so
logistically impossible and I

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think it’s really effective.
Yeah, the documentaries made by

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a Spanish filmmaker named Alvaro
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Yeah, and he meets up with a guy
named Alejandro.

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Yeah, Alejandro cauda Ben Yosef.
Believe, you know, I’m not I

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don’t speak Spanish, but I
believe that’s his full name.

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He is the only Foreigner working
for the North Korean government.

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Yeah, and that that’s who gets
Alvaro Longoria.

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Into the country and he is a
fascinating fucking dude.

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He just he ends up becoming the
stealth subject of the

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documentary and a lot of ways
and every little tidbit that we

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learn about him is so
interesting.

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Yeah, he basically acts as the
guide for the filmmakers tour of

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North Korea and I think a big
point of the documentary is in

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those moments where you’re like,
well is this Stage Door is

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Essentially what North Korea is
like the film.

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Just kind of leaves that up to
you to decide.

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They don’t ever really directly
address it right.

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And one of the first moments
like that one that I think was

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clearly staged is the people
taking her wedding photos at the

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DMZ, like know what, it’s not
even pretty like I could see if

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it was a very Scenic Place.
But there’s just all these

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official-looking buildings and
they’re painted, a nice shade of

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blue.
I’ll give him a nose but I still

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don’t know if yeah, young
newlyweds are taking their

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wedding photos at the DMZ.
Look.

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No, I don’t that’s not something
that I would do and I definitely

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you know, it seems suspicious.
Yeah, it’s weird, you know and

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like like I said, North Korea is
for many reasons.

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Just at an incredibly
fascinating country.

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There’s just so much going on
and One of the things that I

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think this documentary
highlights is how much it is,

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you know, even though they hate
America for some valid reasons

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and some kind of exaggerated
reasons.

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They are also clearly trying
that is their model, you know,

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and so much of the things that
come off as dystopian,

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especially in Western eyes are
kind of a caricature of American

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society.
In some ways.

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It’s very fascinating.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
It’s at this point in the

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documentary where I’m realizing.
I don’t know that much about the

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Korean War you just watch Mash.
Yeah, even that even Mash I

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didn’t like that much.
Ah, okay.

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We do find out North Koreans are
taught in school that America is

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the reason for their financial
hardship and humiliation and

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World stage and it’s like yeah
us too.

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Yeah, like that’s basically
everybody should be taught that.

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It’s probably true.
Yeah, I mean, you know, it’s

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interesting.
Yeah, again, I think they they

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fudge, you know, their part in
the beginning of the Korean War

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but so does America.
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And I think they are definitely
correct that their financial

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hardship is mostly at the fault
of America, you know among other

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forces, but that’s a big one.
Yeah, that’s how we fight War

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when we don’t want to send
troops.

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We Actually choke you out,
financially ask Venezuela,

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right?
And one of the things they touch

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on in this and one of the things
I think people don’t take into

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account enough.
Is it’s very logical that North

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Korea spends as much money on
defense as they do.

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Yeah, and that they put out this
attitude of fucking try us.

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We will fucking nuke.
You.

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What would you do?
If you were North Korea, like

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they are surrounded by countries
that I want nothing more than

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for their government to fail.
At least.

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You don’t think that’s the case,
right?

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Well, yeah, maybe that’s not
that.

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Yeah, but no.
Yeah, it’s definitely it’s

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reasonable.
It’s very similar to Germany

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pre-World War 1 where they were
this tiny new country and they

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were surrounded by these larger
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history that one.
It to eat them.

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Yeah, so they built up this
insane military and you know

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that ended up becoming a huge
problem for the world.

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But like it’s a very it’s a
totally similar mindset and it’s

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something that we understand is
reasonable when we’re talking

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about 18th, 19th century
Germany, and it’s something that

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we find totally irrational and
terrible.

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When we talk about 20th and 21st
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They talk a lot about military
exercises that we conduct with

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South Korea all the time and
countries, don’t like that.

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No, like, no country likes.
You practicing war in there,

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ocean liking American military
bases, American military

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actions.
In our Allied, countries are out

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of fucking control and are
totally fucking up our

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relationship.
Not only with the neighboring

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countries, who are Stole but
also with those Allied countries

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like places, like South Korea,
you know, are they feel safe

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having the US bases there?
Because, you know, they’re,

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they’re so close to a country
that is dangerous and many ways.

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But like, you know, then there’s
like Japan that still has a

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million fucking US military
bases on it, and they hate

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having him there.
Maybe one of them out on, and

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that’s how we should just not
have those.

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That’s ridiculous.
All we’re doing is causing.

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Causing strife.
Yeah, people don’t like having

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their land occupied sucks,
especially in the Middle East.

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We yeah.
Found that out the hard way, but

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anywhere like it’s in no in man.
We love doing it.

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Right and in this is just the
whole North Korea thing and it’s

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so much about Western
devaluation of Eastern

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sovereignty.
Basically, I was struggling to

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come up with a word but like
there is just such this

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Oriental.
Um, we’re any reaction that an

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Asian country has to Western
action is seen as totally

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irrational and dangerous.
When the same reaction from a

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Western Country, would be seen
as natural and understandable,

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and it’s just, it’s just a baked
in problem when it comes to

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talking about North Korea.
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So let’s talk about Alejandro.
Yes, how are we feeling about

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Alejandro?
He seems to genuinely love North

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Korea.
The oh, yeah.

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No, he’s a True Believer.
He’s a fucking again.

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Really, really interesting.
I was glad that they talked to

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his parents because I wanted to
know what they were like.

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Yeah.
His dad says, Alejandro was just

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super duper into communism.
Like Yeah, from early on and

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obviously was looking for a
society that works in an ideal

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communist kind.
Way and he settled on North

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Korea, I guess.
And like, it’s just so he sent

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like one of the first things
that he says, in the documentary

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is that his dream since he was a
young boy, was to join the North

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Korean military, which is a
weird objectively weird, dream

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for a Spanish kid to have
because one for one thing, where

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did he hear about the North
Korean army, like what was he

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reading his parents just Seemed
kind of chill.

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So yeah, I don’t know where he
would have gotten all his

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information about the North
Korean army, or what would have

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made a young boy in Spain want
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But yeah, I don’t know what to
make of all the hondros.

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It’s just know, a strange
situation in these General.

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Yeah, he’s kind of an enigma and
like I said, he kind of becomes

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the subject of the documentary
in a roundabout way because as

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it goes on.
Like, first of all, we’re

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Nothing so much time with him
because he is their primary

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guide through North Korea.
And we are just occasionally

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getting more and more bits and
pieces of information about his

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life and his early life and his
role within the North Korean

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government and it’s just very
interesting.

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Yeah, he’s a character.
That’s really it for sure.

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I could have done with a
documentary just about him.

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Yeah.
And I think this is the closest

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we’ll ever get and yeah, and it
functions pretty well.

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Is that but yeah, I would I
wanted more.

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He’s almost like a celebrity in.
Yeah.

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That country because he’s so
like he can it seems like they

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let him come and go as he
pleases and he can rank go back

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to Spain when he wants some
spice band, lets him come back.

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That’s like his job is like to
go out and basically it’s kind

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of implied, get money from
people.

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Receives and bring it back into
North Korea and also to and then

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like his other job is to, it
seems essentially to like talk

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to anybody that he can in North
Korea and tell them about how

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the rest of the world thinks
that North Korea is just the

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best.
And that is.

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They love what everybody in the
world loves what’s happening

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here?
And I think that’s a really

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fascinating job.
To have within a government

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propaganda.
Is basically his job.

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Yes, and he admits that and he
Embraces it.

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Yeah.
There’s a bit where people talk

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about how everyone gets Free
Housing and right.

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Everything is great.
And there’s lots of museums for

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people to enjoy.
And it’s hard to know how much

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of this is accurate.
And how much is just people

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saying what they’re supposed to
say, but again, like I’m always

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conflicted.
When you see this Museum, it

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looks like a nice museum.
People are coming in and out

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there, visiting and people are
like, yeah, that’s just what

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they want you to see.
And it’s like, well, the

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Museum’s there, like they don’t
doing with it when the camera.

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Has aren’t rolling again.
Are they like beheading

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dissidents in that building?
Like it’s done Museum.

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No, it’s definitely a real
Museum.

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It is interesting.
What like the part where he says

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that there was literally no one
else in the museum.

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Besides the people who came in
with him is interesting.

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I think that’s a I think that’s
an interesting fact that kind of

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says that maybe it’s not as open
as they are insisting.

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It is, but it seems like it is a
public utility.

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I’m sure.
Bring children there.

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It just seems educational in a
way that North Korea would

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appreciate.
But also, if something like this

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happened in the United States,
depending on how important the

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person giving the tour was or
the person receiving the tour, I

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could see us shutting down a
museum so that to worker

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happening private.
I think.

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Yeah.
I think that’s a perfectly

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rational explanation for why the
museum is empty.

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That doesn’t really faze me at
all.

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Like, that’s just beyond saving.
He’s not standing in line to buy

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tickets at the braod like right
there.

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Just shutting that down for her.
So she and Jay-Z can walk

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through it.
Like I get that.

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It looks weird that there’s no
one there, but right I think it

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was an interesting thing to
note.

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But I definitely don’t think
it’s any sort of referendum on,

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you know, people’s rights in
North Korea, which is how it

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seems.
Many people react to many of the

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things that are shown both in
this documentary and, you know,

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just in general about North
Korea.

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Water park scene.
I think it’s kind of the same

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thing where a lot of people
would be like, well, that’s just

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what, what they want you to see.
And it’s like, I don’t know.

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It looks like they know how to
use the water park.

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Yeah, it seems like 30 people
using it.

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Have used it before and it’s
like, yeah, why would you build

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a water park just on the off?
Chance that a foreign

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dignitaries going to come visit
and you need to impress them

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with your water park.
And I, you know, I guess the

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counter argument would be like,
but it’s So no usually only for

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like military or officials or
whatever.

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I don’t know it but like a
certain point you’re just tying

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yourself in knots in order to
other Rise an entire nation.

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Yeah, which it’s not really
helpful.

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Even if the nation does terrible
things to its citizens.

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I bet there are countless
Nations on this Earth that do

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not have a single water park
within their borders.

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Exactly.
And yeah, it looks like a nice

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water park.
And again, this is one of those

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times where They are pretty far
removed from the water park.

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They’re not interviewing people
at the waterpark, the people

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down there, don’t really seem
like they know that there are

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cameras around, right?
It’s not a thing that seems

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staged in the way that some of
the other activities that they

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go to seem stage, right?
I do like that in these moments.

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There are some scenes also where
it’s a little more questionable

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in that way like the scene where
they go to a woman’s apartment.

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And she’s cooking dinner.
Yeah, the apartment looks very

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new.
It looks like they almost like a

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model apartment.
Yes, and she’s talking about how

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she’s going to cook dinner in
the guys.

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Like what are you cooking?
Can I see in the refrigerator?

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And she’s like, ah, no.
Yeah, and they were like, she’s

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just shy.
Yeah.

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Korean people don’t like show
and what’s in their

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refrigerator.
Well, I don’t know if I’ve ever

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heard that before.
Well, it isn’t in the voiceover.

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He says we never Or saw the
refrigerator like yeah, they

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literally didn’t even see the
refrigerator not let alone open

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it which I found interesting.
Yeah, like there are reasons

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that you could explain that that
is, you know, reasonable, but

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that’s one of those things that
seems kind of stage in a way to

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make it look normal.
And, you know, I don’t know.

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There’s also a, I don’t know
what your take on it was, but I

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found it.
A very heartbreaking scene where

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they were sort of trying to set
it up to seem like North Korea

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is again, a really cool place
because they’re interviewing a

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young guy and he’s like, yeah, I
went to the military and then I

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went to University and they kind
of drive home the point in this

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documentary that like, you get,
like, everyone works in right?

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North Korea.
Like you all get housing and

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with the housing, they’re like,
yo, but you don’t get to choose.

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It’s like, I don’t know.
Free Housing is still free.

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Yeah, I mean, Look, that’s the
thing.

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If you’re poor in America, you
don’t get to choose where you

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live.
Anyway, exactly.

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And it’s not free.
So but this guy, they interview

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him and he talks about having
gone to school after serving in

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the military.
Yeah, and they’re like, well,

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what are you studying for?
And he says, I’m studying to be

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a locomotive driver.
Yeah, and the the guy

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interviewing him goes.
What do you want to do?

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Like, well, what is it?
What’s his dream?

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Yeah, and this man looks broken
for a couple seconds and then

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goes.
I want to be a locomotive

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driver.
That’s like you can tell.

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He doesn’t want to be a
locomotive dryly.

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I mean I guess and like look,
maybe he does, maybe he doesn’t.

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But I do think again, I think
it’s dangerous.

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It’s just tricky territory to
try to read into someone’s body

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language and the documentary
like this, like you could read.

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Read Brokenness or, you know,
resignation into that or maybe

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that’s just what he looks like
when he’s thinking about that

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subject.
Like, I don’t know.

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Yeah, I hope so.
He looked sad though.

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I mean sure, but like I don’t
know if he looks sad.

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Maybe that’s just what his face
look like, you know, like

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sometimes I look angry and I’m
not angry, you know, but like

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yeah, I didn’t.
But I’m not saying it’s a

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completely bad thing.
Like I do, I have jokingly, but

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So, not really jokingly argued
that my favorite version of a

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dystopian.
Future is the one where a

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computer makes all your
decisions for you.

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While the oh, like the Adam
Curtis document and he said,

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we’re going to like what?
But no but you know, like look

436
00:26:19,000 –> 00:26:23,500
he probably wasn’t given a lot
of options when he enrolled in

437
00:26:23,500 –> 00:26:27,100
University about what he could
major in and locomotive driver,

438
00:26:27,100 –> 00:26:29,900
might have just been the one
that he was like, yeah, that

439
00:26:29,900 –> 00:26:33,900
seems like the one that I could
get behind the most, but But,

440
00:26:33,900 –> 00:26:39,600
you know, it’s hard to really
criticize that idea too much

441
00:26:39,600 –> 00:26:45,000
because a lot of people aren’t
satisfied with their lot in

442
00:26:45,000 –> 00:26:47,100
life.
And the thing that they have

443
00:26:47,100 –> 00:26:51,600
been forced into doing for the
rest of their life, you know,

444
00:26:51,600 –> 00:26:56,000
and like, you know, it sucks
that when he’s talking about his

445
00:26:56,000 –> 00:26:58,900
life’s dream.
All he can think about is the

446
00:26:58,900 –> 00:27:02,700
job that he will have.
And, you know, maybe that is

447
00:27:02,700 –> 00:27:06,300
indicative of Some deeper, you
know, societal ill.

448
00:27:06,300 –> 00:27:11,000
But also like, I bet you could
have that exact same interview

449
00:27:11,000 –> 00:27:14,900
with a lot of working-class
people around the world.

450
00:27:14,900 –> 00:27:18,900
Yeah, and I’m sure there are
people in North Korea, who would

451
00:27:18,900 –> 00:27:22,000
answer that question in a way
that looks less sad.

452
00:27:22,100 –> 00:27:24,800
Like, I’m sure there are people
who got the job, they fucking

453
00:27:24,800 –> 00:27:27,800
wanted, right?
And also, they’re interviewing

454
00:27:27,800 –> 00:27:30,700
this guy.
He seems very young to have

455
00:27:30,700 –> 00:27:33,200
served in the military and then
gone to college.

456
00:27:33,200 –> 00:27:39,100
He seems like he’s maybe 20 or
21 and he’s like just hanging

457
00:27:39,100 –> 00:27:43,400
out at the park with friends
like at the skatepark and their

458
00:27:43,400 –> 00:27:46,000
people are rollerblading and
skateboarding around and I’m

459
00:27:46,000 –> 00:27:50,200
like, you know, that doesn’t
seem like a total, you know,

460
00:27:50,300 –> 00:27:54,000
mind-controlled brainwashed.
Masses that just seems like a

461
00:27:54,000 –> 00:27:58,400
bunch of normal people who are
trying to get by in a country.

462
00:27:58,400 –> 00:28:02,100
That is less than ideal.
Yeah, I do again, whenever I see

463
00:28:02,100 –> 00:28:04,100
that I’m like, well, what would
it look like if the Cameras

464
00:28:04,100 –> 00:28:06,300
weren’t there.
Like, with those people not just

465
00:28:06,300 –> 00:28:09,500
be there enjoying their day like
yeah, that seems extreme.

466
00:28:09,600 –> 00:28:11,900
They get a little I mean, I
don’t know.

467
00:28:11,900 –> 00:28:14,200
I can’t say they’re being
hypocritical because this isn’t

468
00:28:14,200 –> 00:28:16,700
an American making this film
right?

469
00:28:16,800 –> 00:28:19,200
But they Westerner.
Yeah.

470
00:28:19,200 –> 00:28:24,100
A Westerner and they get into
some things that are meant to be

471
00:28:24,100 –> 00:28:28,200
a Slam against North Korea.
Like how yes, you get, free

472
00:28:28,200 –> 00:28:31,700
education, but also that means
you get indoctrinated by the

473
00:28:31,700 –> 00:28:35,400
government from birth and And
what happens here?

474
00:28:35,500 –> 00:28:38,500
Like we have to pay to get
indoctrinated by the government.

475
00:28:38,500 –> 00:28:41,900
Even be exactly.
Like I don’t think I said the

476
00:28:41,900 –> 00:28:45,100
Pledge of Allegiance before
class as a child because there

477
00:28:45,100 –> 00:28:48,100
was educational value in it.
No it that’s the thing.

478
00:28:48,100 –> 00:28:51,400
That’s so fucking creepy and
never goes examined in our

479
00:28:51,400 –> 00:28:53,100
country.
That that is a thing.

480
00:28:53,300 –> 00:28:58,500
I got detention multiple times
because I refuse to stand to say

481
00:28:58,500 –> 00:29:02,900
the Pledge in high school.
Like you get punished for not

482
00:29:03,200 –> 00:29:06,600
giving in To the state,
indoctrination in America.

483
00:29:06,700 –> 00:29:09,800
Like sure it was it like harsh
punishment or whatever.

484
00:29:10,000 –> 00:29:14,700
But like, you know, these are
not dissimilar phenomena.

485
00:29:14,800 –> 00:29:18,900
Yeah, the same thing happens
when they start getting into how

486
00:29:19,200 –> 00:29:24,100
Kim Jong-il and North Korea in
general, use the film industry

487
00:29:24,300 –> 00:29:29,200
for propaganda purposes and it’s
like, yeah, so, do we have you

488
00:29:29,200 –> 00:29:31,800
seen The Hurt Locker?
Have you seen Zero, Dark?

489
00:29:31,800 –> 00:29:35,800
Thirty like the CIA has a
Hollywood liaison Department.

490
00:29:35,800 –> 00:29:38,600
That’s not rumor or conjecture.
You.

491
00:29:38,600 –> 00:29:40,200
Just go on our website and find
it.

492
00:29:40,200 –> 00:29:44,900
Like they have a Hollywood
liaison who will sit in and

493
00:29:44,900 –> 00:29:49,200
guide you along the filmmaking
process to make sure you tell

494
00:29:49,200 –> 00:29:53,200
the story and make the CIA look
the way they want it all to

495
00:29:53,200 –> 00:29:57,600
happen and look and there are
filmmakers who are able to get

496
00:29:57,600 –> 00:30:03,300
in a counter message within that
system in America, you know,

497
00:30:03,300 –> 00:30:05,300
such.
Kathryn Bigelow with those

498
00:30:05,300 –> 00:30:09,300
films, you know, even though
they may have help from the

499
00:30:09,300 –> 00:30:12,700
government.
They still, I think make a claim

500
00:30:12,700 –> 00:30:17,100
that the way the military and
the CIA operates is on

501
00:30:17,400 –> 00:30:23,700
unsuccessful, but and we aren’t
North Korean and we don’t speak

502
00:30:23,900 –> 00:30:29,100
that North Korean dialect, you
know, and so that may be the

503
00:30:29,100 –> 00:30:32,000
case within the North Korean
film industry.

504
00:30:32,000 –> 00:30:35,000
It may not.
But regardless Alice, you know,

505
00:30:35,300 –> 00:30:38,000
of course, their films are
advancing their country’s

506
00:30:38,000 –> 00:30:40,900
agenda.
That’s what I mean, whether they

507
00:30:40,900 –> 00:30:45,000
want to or not film, you know,
has a political subtext.

508
00:30:45,300 –> 00:30:48,200
No matter what it is.
Take your Marvel movies, Jesus.

509
00:30:48,200 –> 00:30:53,700
Yeah, as we were researching
this, I found another North

510
00:30:53,700 –> 00:30:57,000
Korea documentary that I kind of
want to try and track down and

511
00:30:57,000 –> 00:31:03,300
cover also, sure.
But it’s from 1989 and it’s a

512
00:31:03,800 –> 00:31:07,900
Polish documentary.
And apparently, in 1988 North

513
00:31:07,900 –> 00:31:11,300
Korea, just let a bunch of
filmmakers come in, and they

514
00:31:11,300 –> 00:31:14,600
were like, someone make a movie
and we’ll pick the movie we

515
00:31:14,600 –> 00:31:15,700
like.
And that’s the one that will go

516
00:31:15,700 –> 00:31:18,000
out.
And they picked this movie

517
00:31:18,000 –> 00:31:23,300
called deaf A lotta, which means
the parade in Poland, or in

518
00:31:23,300 –> 00:31:28,300
Polish, and North Korea ends up
like, super duper praising this

519
00:31:28,300 –> 00:31:31,700
movie.
Yeah, and then slowly, they

520
00:31:31,700 –> 00:31:34,500
start to realize that this movie
was actually, Really very

521
00:31:34,500 –> 00:31:39,800
critical of North Korea and of
totalitarianism in general, they

522
00:31:39,800 –> 00:31:43,700
eventually made this filmmaker
like a like he’s banned from the

523
00:31:43,708 –> 00:31:45,900
country now, but when it first
like that’s why I’m so

524
00:31:45,900 –> 00:31:48,300
fascinated to see it.
Yeah, because at first, they

525
00:31:48,300 –> 00:31:49,800
were like, oh, this is great.
Thank you.

526
00:31:49,800 –> 00:31:51,300
Right?
And then eventually they were

527
00:31:51,300 –> 00:31:55,600
like wait, right?
This isn’t nice at all.

528
00:31:55,800 –> 00:31:58,900
Yeah, that I would be very
interested to watch the

529
00:31:58,900 –> 00:32:02,100
documentary and that film that
would be very fascinating.

530
00:32:02,100 –> 00:32:05,200
Yeah.
And like You know, speaking of

531
00:32:05,200 –> 00:32:08,900
Hollywood fucking like,
propaganda.

532
00:32:09,300 –> 00:32:14,900
I immediately after watching
this documentary last night.

533
00:32:15,000 –> 00:32:20,500
Watch the Seth, Rogen James,
Franco Comedy, the interview,

534
00:32:20,700 –> 00:32:25,100
which was famously, you know,
that’s the reason why North

535
00:32:25,100 –> 00:32:30,100
Korea hacked, Sony, and released
all of Sony’s emails as funny

536
00:32:30,500 –> 00:32:33,200
got.
Yeah, it got that film, you

537
00:32:33,200 –> 00:32:35,600
know.
Mostly shut down out of

538
00:32:35,600 –> 00:32:38,400
theaters, a pretty sure it was
mostly released digitally.

539
00:32:38,900 –> 00:32:43,700
And that movie is propaganda.
Like why did this person to

540
00:32:43,700 –> 00:32:46,700
funny important’s?
Like it’s got a couple, Seth

541
00:32:46,700 –> 00:32:50,100
Rogen gets a good life, a couple
of good lines, but it is mostly

542
00:32:50,400 –> 00:32:56,000
jingoistic and xenophobic and
kind of racist in a lot of ways.

543
00:32:56,000 –> 00:33:00,000
Seth Rogen, and James Franco,
both do a lot of Asian accents

544
00:33:00,200 –> 00:33:03,600
and it sucks and like that is
straight up.

545
00:33:04,100 –> 00:33:07,600
Hollywood propaganda, that’s
what that movie is like.

546
00:33:07,600 –> 00:33:12,500
And I kind of understand North
Korea being pissed off about it

547
00:33:12,700 –> 00:33:17,900
because also they kill like
their current sitting leader and

548
00:33:17,900 –> 00:33:21,200
we got mad about a dumb
independent movie about the

549
00:33:21,200 –> 00:33:25,900
assassination of George Bush.
So yeah, well that that was the

550
00:33:26,300 –> 00:33:29,600
my one issue with that is he was
like, well, there’s never been a

551
00:33:29,600 –> 00:33:33,000
movie where they depict murder
of sitting world leader and it’s

552
00:33:33,000 –> 00:33:35,800
like yeah there.
As in 2006, the George Bush

553
00:33:35,800 –> 00:33:38,400
movie.
And the difference is that it

554
00:33:38,400 –> 00:33:42,000
was a small movie.
It was not a like that was a

555
00:33:42,000 –> 00:33:45,700
tiny independent film.
Whereas like the interview was a

556
00:33:45,700 –> 00:33:50,100
major Hollywood Blockbuster and
the the difference also with

557
00:33:50,100 –> 00:33:52,700
death of a president, which is
what I think the George Bush

558
00:33:52,700 –> 00:33:54,800
movie was called the thing about
that.

559
00:33:54,800 –> 00:33:58,300
Movie you go into it thinking
like because I remember watching

560
00:33:58,300 –> 00:34:01,200
it when George Bush was in
office, me too.

561
00:34:01,400 –> 00:34:03,100
And it was at the theater.
I worked out.

562
00:34:03,200 –> 00:34:05,500
I think a Out of people went
into it thinking.

563
00:34:05,500 –> 00:34:07,400
Oh man.
It’s going to be so cathartic

564
00:34:07,400 –> 00:34:09,300
seeing George W.
Bush get shot.

565
00:34:09,300 –> 00:34:11,199
No.
Yeah and then it happens in your

566
00:34:11,199 –> 00:34:13,600
like.
Oh no, this is so bad.

567
00:34:13,900 –> 00:34:15,699
Like it.
I didn’t want it to end this

568
00:34:15,699 –> 00:34:17,600
way.
Like this is going to be chaos.

569
00:34:17,900 –> 00:34:20,900
So it like it’s not the movie.
I think people thought it was

570
00:34:20,900 –> 00:34:23,400
going to be.
It’s not a relishing and George

571
00:34:23,400 –> 00:34:24,300
w–, Bush.
Dying.

572
00:34:24,300 –> 00:34:27,699
It’s saying this is not what you
want to happen in your country.

573
00:34:27,900 –> 00:34:30,800
Right?
And it’s also like again, it’s

574
00:34:30,800 –> 00:34:34,199
just not a very comparable
example, and I think it’s Fair

575
00:34:34,199 –> 00:34:36,400
thing for North Korea to be
angry about.

576
00:34:36,400 –> 00:34:38,600
I don’t love that.
I mean, it’s kind of funny, the,

577
00:34:39,000 –> 00:34:41,900
the Sony emails that were
released but like, you know, I

578
00:34:41,900 –> 00:34:44,100
think maybe that was an over
reaction.

579
00:34:44,100 –> 00:34:48,500
But again, their country that is
constantly threatened and

580
00:34:48,900 –> 00:34:53,100
constantly a other dead by
Western society.

581
00:34:53,100 –> 00:34:57,300
And so, you know, I think
they’re kind of touchy and I get

582
00:34:57,300 –> 00:35:02,900
it if there’s just no comparable
example, there’s no, there’s no

583
00:35:03,400 –> 00:35:05,300
back.
Back, you know, like there’s

584
00:35:05,300 –> 00:35:08,800
nothing back at America that
could happen.

585
00:35:08,800 –> 00:35:10,500
That would be similar to the
interview.

586
00:35:10,500 –> 00:35:13,600
You know what I’m saying?
Yeah, like there’s just no

587
00:35:13,600 –> 00:35:16,300
there’s nothing that would be as
insulting.

588
00:35:16,900 –> 00:35:18,100
Right?
Well, yeah, because we wouldn’t

589
00:35:18,100 –> 00:35:19,700
show it in our theaters for one
thing.

590
00:35:19,800 –> 00:35:21,900
You gotta one thing.
Yeah, I’d be made in the walking

591
00:35:21,900 –> 00:35:24,600
country get into our market for
it to matter.

592
00:35:24,700 –> 00:35:27,500
Yeah.
I found the part where they talk

593
00:35:27,500 –> 00:35:33,700
about juche, very interesting.
That is a word that describes.

594
00:35:34,000 –> 00:35:38,600
I call it North Korea’s swagger.
Like it’s how they describe

595
00:35:38,600 –> 00:35:41,600
their attitude toward life.
Right?

596
00:35:41,600 –> 00:35:44,700
And it’s this really interesting
section where they talk about,

597
00:35:44,700 –> 00:35:47,000
how no one understands what it
means.

598
00:35:47,100 –> 00:35:49,800
And because no one understands
that no one’s going to protest

599
00:35:49,800 –> 00:35:54,500
against it, right.
And no one can explain it and

600
00:35:54,500 –> 00:35:56,500
then they explained it in like
two sentences.

601
00:35:56,700 –> 00:36:01,700
Well, they don’t, that’s the
thing about their explanations

602
00:36:01,700 –> 00:36:05,500
of it, is that it doesn’t really
Ali, it’s vague.

603
00:36:05,500 –> 00:36:09,300
It’s vague, you know, aphorisms.
It’s kind of, you know, it’s

604
00:36:09,300 –> 00:36:11,100
kind of like the game.
You know that.

605
00:36:11,100 –> 00:36:13,200
Well, now that’s largest book.
That’s the thing.

606
00:36:13,200 –> 00:36:15,900
It’s the secret.
It’s yeah, it’s a secret.

607
00:36:15,900 –> 00:36:18,900
The science of getting rich.
This is the quote man is the

608
00:36:18,900 –> 00:36:22,100
master of everything and decides
everything man is the master of

609
00:36:22,100 –> 00:36:25,100
the world and his own destiny,
and is the Transformer of the

610
00:36:25,107 –> 00:36:29,300
world and the shaper of his
destiny that is just the science

611
00:36:29,300 –> 00:36:31,100
of getting rich.
That’s all there is.

612
00:36:31,200 –> 00:36:34,000
Yeah.
And like, but again, it I mean,

613
00:36:34,000 –> 00:36:37,300
same with the science of getting
rich or the secret, those things

614
00:36:37,300 –> 00:36:41,700
don’t really mean anything.
They mean, whatever the person

615
00:36:41,700 –> 00:36:44,900
is saying them, once at the
mean, which is kind of what

616
00:36:44,900 –> 00:36:47,600
they’re getting at with the if
no one can understand it.

617
00:36:47,600 –> 00:36:50,400
No one will protest it thing.
Like there’s not really anything

618
00:36:50,400 –> 00:36:54,300
to protest there because there’s
no substance to those

619
00:36:54,300 –> 00:36:58,000
statements.
Yeah, but like again, you know,

620
00:36:58,400 –> 00:37:02,900
like I hate to be well blah,
blah, blah, this and that like,

621
00:37:03,000 –> 00:37:06,800
you know, Oh, point one finger,
and you know, it’s coming right

622
00:37:06,800 –> 00:37:10,000
back at you.
Like, obviously, there are

623
00:37:10,000 –> 00:37:12,600
problems with North with North
Korean Society.

624
00:37:12,600 –> 00:37:17,600
But like there’s a lot of
fucking lunatic nationalist

625
00:37:19,100 –> 00:37:23,600
like, slogans, that Americans
believe without question, take

626
00:37:23,600 –> 00:37:26,700
it back things.
Like, you know, I mean, just

627
00:37:26,700 –> 00:37:29,700
the, the statement.
Well, America is the greatest

628
00:37:29,700 –> 00:37:33,600
country in the world.
That is a mainstream thought.

629
00:37:33,800 –> 00:37:36,600
The in America, like that is
just the thing that they have.

630
00:37:36,600 –> 00:37:39,500
The Casual person doesn’t even
questioned during the days just

631
00:37:39,500 –> 00:37:42,000
like, well, I mean, obviously
America is the greatest country

632
00:37:42,000 –> 00:37:45,600
in the world, you know, even if
that’s followed by a but yeah.

633
00:37:45,600 –> 00:37:48,800
Well, I like it.
That’s that is the same kind of

634
00:37:48,800 –> 00:37:53,200
indoctrination that we’re
talking about which juche or any

635
00:37:53,200 –> 00:37:55,800
of these North Korea and
propagandas.

636
00:37:55,800 –> 00:37:57,500
Yeah.
It’s absolutely propaganda.

637
00:37:57,500 –> 00:38:00,300
God Bless.
America is propaganda.

638
00:38:00,300 –> 00:38:02,600
Like why is God singling out
America?

639
00:38:02,600 –> 00:38:04,500
I bet that again.
Not Not true.

640
00:38:04,500 –> 00:38:08,300
Yeah, and not to even like not
to keep harping on the Pledge of

641
00:38:08,300 –> 00:38:10,300
Allegiance.
But the Pledge of Allegiance is

642
00:38:10,600 –> 00:38:12,200
fucking creepy.
Yeah.

643
00:38:12,300 –> 00:38:15,800
Yeah, it’s creepy as fuck.
If you ever fucking listen to

644
00:38:15,800 –> 00:38:19,400
what it’s actually saying, like
you’re pledging allegiance to

645
00:38:19,400 –> 00:38:23,900
the flag, like you’re sledging.
Like, I think that pledging

646
00:38:23,900 –> 00:38:27,900
Allegiance, seems to be kind of
counter to the whole of freedom

647
00:38:27,900 –> 00:38:31,600
and justice for all thing of
America, but maybe that’s just

648
00:38:31,600 –> 00:38:35,700
me and it’s absolutely Like it’s
the same thing.

649
00:38:36,000 –> 00:38:40,100
Yes, and it’s just that again.
And this is a I mentioned

650
00:38:40,100 –> 00:38:42,600
earlier.
North Korea is just kind of

651
00:38:42,600 –> 00:38:46,400
more.
They just take it to the logical

652
00:38:46,400 –> 00:38:49,700
extremes of what American
ideology does.

653
00:38:49,800 –> 00:38:53,400
Yeah, like it’s just all out in
the open and they’re not really

654
00:38:53,400 –> 00:38:57,800
hiding.
Their more extreme views behind

655
00:38:57,800 –> 00:39:00,500
like doublespeak the way we do
here.

656
00:39:01,700 –> 00:39:06,300
So then the documentary gets
into all of those wild stories

657
00:39:06,300 –> 00:39:11,000
that we hear about North Korea,
like killing people with tank

658
00:39:11,000 –> 00:39:14,300
rounds to the chest and
discovering unicorns and shit.

659
00:39:14,400 –> 00:39:19,100
All of which, again most of
these clips keep coming from Fox

660
00:39:19,100 –> 00:39:21,600
News, which I find interest.
Yeah, because the I think that

661
00:39:21,600 –> 00:39:26,800
is a good counter point as far
as a national propaganda, arm

662
00:39:27,000 –> 00:39:31,300
goes like they are, they are
doing the exact same thing that

663
00:39:31,800 –> 00:39:35,100
You know, these North Korean
news anchors that we see

664
00:39:35,400 –> 00:39:38,500
throughout the clip do like it’s
the same show.

665
00:39:38,500 –> 00:39:41,500
It’s just a different language.
Yeah, and you see it all over

666
00:39:41,500 –> 00:39:43,900
the media.
Like Fox News isn’t totally

667
00:39:43,900 –> 00:39:45,500
guilty alone in that.
Yeah.

668
00:39:45,900 –> 00:39:49,800
I’m just singling them out as
the again, the most new tray

669
00:39:50,000 –> 00:39:55,000
Kinda Yeah, version of it.
Yeah, Alejandro pops up in.

670
00:39:55,000 –> 00:39:56,600
Yeah.
This part where they’re talking

671
00:39:56,600 –> 00:39:58,300
about.
These wild stories about North

672
00:39:58,300 –> 00:40:02,200
Korea, and his quote is, we are
in a Ganda war.

673
00:40:02,400 –> 00:40:06,000
And he’s right because a lot of
what happens in North inside.

674
00:40:06,000 –> 00:40:09,600
North Korea is again, we see him
going to schools and being like

675
00:40:09,600 –> 00:40:12,800
you would not believe how much
the rest of the world loves us.

676
00:40:12,900 –> 00:40:15,600
Yes.
Yeah and funny which is funny to

677
00:40:15,600 –> 00:40:19,900
see ya objectively as a
Westerner and is someone who

678
00:40:19,900 –> 00:40:24,500
lives in outside of North Korea.
It’s funny to see a man.

679
00:40:24,900 –> 00:40:28,200
A grown man.
Just regaling these children

680
00:40:28,200 –> 00:40:33,400
with ideas that everybody In the
world, you know, has the

681
00:40:33,400 –> 00:40:37,700
specific feelings of love
towards North Korea Society.

682
00:40:37,900 –> 00:40:42,600
Yeah, but also that’s how
America children are taught

683
00:40:42,600 –> 00:40:46,900
about how people feel about.
That’s how American adults are

684
00:40:46,900 –> 00:40:50,800
taught about how, like, think
about the fucking Iraq war.

685
00:40:50,800 –> 00:40:55,300
They’ll greet us with as
liberators, you know, all of

686
00:40:55,300 –> 00:40:59,200
that shit.
Like that was the talking point

687
00:40:59,200 –> 00:41:03,000
of the Iraq War invasion.
Oh, yeah, and I have no doubt

688
00:41:03,000 –> 00:41:05,900
that a lot of these stories that
come out of North.

689
00:41:05,900 –> 00:41:09,000
Korea are not true.
The one they bring up in

690
00:41:09,000 –> 00:41:12,400
particular.
Is this story about how Kim?

691
00:41:12,400 –> 00:41:17,500
Jang Hoon killed, his uncle, who
was a member of the government,

692
00:41:17,700 –> 00:41:21,300
right?
And killed him, using a pack of

693
00:41:21,700 –> 00:41:26,200
dogs Yak of wild dogs and it’s
like, well, if he was

694
00:41:26,200 –> 00:41:28,700
controlling them as a pack and
sticking them on people, they’re

695
00:41:28,700 –> 00:41:30,700
not wild.
They’re just a pair of dogs who

696
00:41:30,700 –> 00:41:33,500
are under Person’s control,
which is the opposite of wild

697
00:41:34,000 –> 00:41:37,100
but also it seems like that
story originated with a Chinese

698
00:41:37,100 –> 00:41:39,500
blogger.
Yes, like satire.

699
00:41:39,600 –> 00:41:43,100
And again, like I was saying
about the CIA sending these

700
00:41:43,100 –> 00:41:45,700
stories that they gather out
into the world.

701
00:41:45,900 –> 00:41:49,300
This is an example of it.
Or I mean not saying the CIA is

702
00:41:49,300 –> 00:41:52,600
responsible for spreading this
but probably I mean, well, no,

703
00:41:52,600 –> 00:41:55,100
but also the Chinese government
has just as much of an

704
00:41:55,100 –> 00:41:57,800
incentive.
Yes spread similar rumors as

705
00:41:57,800 –> 00:41:59,600
does so many.
That’s the thing.

706
00:41:59,600 –> 00:42:01,200
You can’t with a lot of the
North Korea.

707
00:42:01,300 –> 00:42:03,300
Stuff.
We can’t just pin it on the CIA

708
00:42:03,300 –> 00:42:07,600
because there are Global
interests in keeping North Korea

709
00:42:07,600 –> 00:42:12,100
as a weirdo.
Rogue state that no one can

710
00:42:12,100 –> 00:42:13,100
control.
Yeah.

711
00:42:13,100 –> 00:42:17,600
And they bring up defectors.
And yeah, that is also a thing

712
00:42:17,600 –> 00:42:21,800
that comes up in the CIA and the
cult of intelligence the cia’s

713
00:42:21,800 –> 00:42:24,900
way into defectors or at least
they, they very much were during

714
00:42:24,900 –> 00:42:28,000
the Cold War, probably staying.
Now, because if you’re talking

715
00:42:28,000 –> 00:42:31,100
about a country like North Korea
that we don’t have a lot of

716
00:42:31,400 –> 00:42:35,700
Access to that’s one of the
funniest things in that CIA and

717
00:42:35,700 –> 00:42:39,500
the cult of intelligence book is
they make it really clear that

718
00:42:39,500 –> 00:42:42,700
at least in the 60s and 70s.
We were bad at spying.

719
00:42:43,000 –> 00:42:46,200
Yeah, like we could not get
inside Russia.

720
00:42:46,200 –> 00:42:49,600
We could not get inside China.
Like we just had a hope.

721
00:42:49,700 –> 00:42:52,600
Someone would leave and tell us
what was going on in there.

722
00:42:53,000 –> 00:42:57,100
And even then the CIA,
especially got so bad at

723
00:42:57,100 –> 00:43:01,200
in-person spying and flipping
people at one point a Defector.

724
00:43:01,300 –> 00:43:05,600
Or leaves Russia, and just walks
into the cia’s office at some

725
00:43:05,600 –> 00:43:08,700
point and is like, hey, I’m here
to defect in there.

726
00:43:08,700 –> 00:43:11,300
Like we think you’re playing a
trick on us, get out of here.

727
00:43:11,300 –> 00:43:15,700
And then they eventually defect
to MI6 and MI6 was like, okay,

728
00:43:15,700 –> 00:43:18,300
this this works and that’s how
they got all the information

729
00:43:18,300 –> 00:43:19,900
from the guy because.
Right.

730
00:43:19,900 –> 00:43:23,400
We were, we were bad at it, but
it was also a thing.

731
00:43:23,400 –> 00:43:26,100
We took a lot of interest in
whenever someone would affect

732
00:43:26,100 –> 00:43:30,400
the CIA would basically
intercept that person and one

733
00:43:30,500 –> 00:43:33,500
would Interview them try to get
whatever information they could

734
00:43:33,500 –> 00:43:36,100
get but also help them write
Memoirs.

735
00:43:36,200 –> 00:43:39,700
Yeah, because they wanted
someone from inside that country

736
00:43:39,700 –> 00:43:43,000
to come to the United States and
write a book about how terrible

737
00:43:43,000 –> 00:43:45,500
this fucking country was.
And sometimes those people would

738
00:43:45,500 –> 00:43:49,200
kind of make up their accounts
of things and any other be

739
00:43:49,200 –> 00:43:52,500
saturated.
The story later and I mean, that

740
00:43:52,500 –> 00:43:54,800
definitely still happens.
I’m sure.

741
00:43:54,800 –> 00:44:00,500
Yeah, Abby look, like there are
a couple of defectors who are

742
00:44:00,500 –> 00:44:02,700
featured throughout.
Throughout giving interviews,

743
00:44:02,700 –> 00:44:04,700
separate.
I believe it seems like they’re

744
00:44:04,700 –> 00:44:09,300
like stock footage interviews
not made for the documentary

745
00:44:09,600 –> 00:44:12,200
with.
I believe their names are shin

746
00:44:12,200 –> 00:44:14,000
dong-hyuk.
I’m sorry.

747
00:44:14,000 –> 00:44:19,400
I don’t speak Korean, and I’m
yong-chol both of whom give very

748
00:44:19,400 –> 00:44:22,700
moving, testimonies about their
time in North Korea.

749
00:44:22,700 –> 00:44:26,900
And I am not of the mind to
necessarily doubt what they say,

750
00:44:27,000 –> 00:44:30,800
and I’m sure they are accurate
to their experiences in the

751
00:44:30,800 –> 00:44:34,600
country.
But I think it’s also dangerous

752
00:44:34,600 –> 00:44:40,200
to paint the entire country.
And this is how the West often

753
00:44:40,200 –> 00:44:42,700
operates.
I don’t think it’s fair to paint

754
00:44:42,700 –> 00:44:47,100
the entire country based on the
testimony of defectors like

755
00:44:47,100 –> 00:44:49,700
this.
No, but I don’t I also don’t

756
00:44:49,700 –> 00:44:52,800
think it’s fair to Discount
their stories entirely.

757
00:44:52,800 –> 00:44:56,100
It’s again, the thing about
North Korea that is that it’s

758
00:44:56,100 –> 00:44:59,100
extremely complicated.
Everything about it is super

759
00:44:59,100 –> 00:45:04,100
complicated and the West It has
just simplified it into.

760
00:45:04,500 –> 00:45:07,900
This is a crazy place where
people are tortured and murdered

761
00:45:07,900 –> 00:45:10,800
in the street and awful things
happen all the time.

762
00:45:10,800 –> 00:45:15,100
When it’s actually a place that
people have to live and that

763
00:45:15,100 –> 00:45:17,800
life happens in and we can’t
discount that.

764
00:45:17,800 –> 00:45:21,600
Yeah, like under any
dictatorship or any regime like

765
00:45:21,600 –> 00:45:25,600
that life does go on there still
Sports and movies and you go to

766
00:45:25,607 –> 00:45:27,400
stores and you can go eat at
restaurants.

767
00:45:27,400 –> 00:45:29,700
Like right?
What is pretty clear in this

768
00:45:29,700 –> 00:45:31,500
documentary?
Is that I mean, Called the

769
00:45:31,500 –> 00:45:34,200
propaganda game because as
Alejandro said they’re in a

770
00:45:34,207 –> 00:45:38,000
propaganda war in this, right?
It works both ways.

771
00:45:38,100 –> 00:45:41,700
Obviously North Korea is gonna
when someone defects, they’re

772
00:45:41,700 –> 00:45:44,000
going to be like.
Well, yeah, but the u.s.

773
00:45:44,000 –> 00:45:46,500
Is just they’re influencing
their story, but it’s like.

774
00:45:46,500 –> 00:45:48,300
All right, but they also
defected, dude.

775
00:45:48,500 –> 00:45:52,000
Yeah, like what did they like?
We’ve seen videos of people

776
00:45:52,000 –> 00:45:55,000
trying to cross DMZ and getting
shot at later.

777
00:45:55,100 –> 00:46:00,100
Are those deep fakes or is it
really like that?

778
00:46:00,100 –> 00:46:01,100
Trying to get out of North
Korea?

779
00:46:01,200 –> 00:46:03,200
Korean.
It seems like it is.

780
00:46:03,500 –> 00:46:06,900
It is so it’s and it’s a thing
that goes both ways and I don’t

781
00:46:06,900 –> 00:46:08,800
think Americans take that into
account.

782
00:46:08,800 –> 00:46:12,600
I think we just assume that we
always tell the truth about the

783
00:46:12,600 –> 00:46:15,000
evil people.
I do think it’s interesting when

784
00:46:15,000 –> 00:46:19,500
it comes to the people being
shot at the DMZ thing is, you

785
00:46:19,500 –> 00:46:25,600
know, the way that those can be
a lot more gray than the black

786
00:46:25,600 –> 00:46:26,900
and white that they appear to
be.

787
00:46:26,900 –> 00:46:29,800
Is that by the very nature of
the DMZ.

788
00:46:29,900 –> 00:46:35,200
It could also be The South or an
American troop, killing these

789
00:46:35,200 –> 00:46:39,900
people crossing the DMZ, because
that is the nature of the DMZ.

790
00:46:40,100 –> 00:46:43,100
Is that, that is a place that
you don’t cross, unless you have

791
00:46:43,100 –> 00:46:45,700
authorization.
And so I don’t know.

792
00:46:45,900 –> 00:46:47,100
They bring up in the
documentary.

793
00:46:47,100 –> 00:46:50,000
What an ironically named Place.
Yeah.

794
00:46:50,000 –> 00:46:54,200
It is the most militarized Zone
on the planet it will because

795
00:46:54,200 –> 00:46:57,900
it’s okay, but it’s referring to
the space between.

796
00:46:58,400 –> 00:47:01,900
So there are it’s very
militarized on the Borders of

797
00:47:01,900 –> 00:47:05,500
the DMZ, but in between is
actually a no-man’s-land and

798
00:47:05,500 –> 00:47:09,700
that is actually where there is
no military presence, fine.

799
00:47:11,500 –> 00:47:13,400
Yeah.
Alejandro is on some shit.

800
00:47:13,400 –> 00:47:17,000
When he starts talking about how
North Korea is not ruled by a

801
00:47:17,000 –> 00:47:18,800
dictator.
It’s like man.

802
00:47:18,800 –> 00:47:20,600
North Korea, has been ruled by
the same family.

803
00:47:20,600 –> 00:47:23,400
Since before my mom was born
like who did Kim Jang, Hoon

804
00:47:23,400 –> 00:47:26,100
defeat in the last election.
It’s a fucking dictatorship.

805
00:47:26,100 –> 00:47:27,600
Get out of here.
Absolutely.

806
00:47:27,700 –> 00:47:30,900
I think that is a thing that
they should just own and yeah,

807
00:47:31,300 –> 00:47:33,800
Didn’t normalize as this is our
society.

808
00:47:33,800 –> 00:47:37,600
This is and I think what
Americans will never take into

809
00:47:37,600 –> 00:47:40,200
account is sometimes people want
a fucking dictator.

810
00:47:40,400 –> 00:47:45,500
Yeah, I mean whether or not that
is a healthy desire, right, you

811
00:47:45,508 –> 00:47:48,000
know, which is its own
conversation.

812
00:47:48,400 –> 00:47:51,100
Absolutely.
The people of North Korea

813
00:47:51,300 –> 00:47:56,500
clearly have genuine whether
indoctrinated or not.

814
00:47:56,600 –> 00:48:01,100
They clearly have genuine love
and affection for all.

815
00:48:01,200 –> 00:48:04,600
All three of their great leaders
of the past.

816
00:48:04,600 –> 00:48:09,600
And they make such a big deal
about people being forced to cry

817
00:48:09,800 –> 00:48:12,900
like, when Kim Jong-il died,
right?

818
00:48:12,900 –> 00:48:16,200
And it’s like people in England.
Weep when they’re fake royal

819
00:48:16,200 –> 00:48:18,300
family dies.
Exactly.

820
00:48:18,300 –> 00:48:20,200
How is that?
Any different?

821
00:48:20,200 –> 00:48:21,500
What do?
Ya shit?

822
00:48:21,500 –> 00:48:23,200
Not North?
Koreans for weeping for their

823
00:48:23,200 –> 00:48:24,900
president.
For like it may slow.

824
00:48:24,900 –> 00:48:27,600
Stupid Pride about fucking
Ronald Reagan.

825
00:48:27,600 –> 00:48:29,800
Yeah, like peanut cry about
that.

826
00:48:29,800 –> 00:48:33,400
They people.
Weather again whether healthy or

827
00:48:33,400 –> 00:48:39,100
not, people around the world
invest pieces of themselves into

828
00:48:39,100 –> 00:48:43,100
their world leaders.
Yeah, and while I find that

829
00:48:43,200 –> 00:48:48,000
personally, disturbing and
support and not something that I

830
00:48:48,100 –> 00:48:53,300
am capable of doing, it’s a fact
of life around the world and to

831
00:48:53,300 –> 00:48:58,200
just criticized North Korea
because of that and to claim

832
00:48:58,200 –> 00:49:02,400
that they are faking it and to
read all of Of these nefarious

833
00:49:02,400 –> 00:49:06,300
intense into those sorts of
things is again, total

834
00:49:06,300 –> 00:49:10,700
orientalism total alienating.
These people who are just human

835
00:49:10,700 –> 00:49:14,200
beings like the rest of us, what
you think about the church scene

836
00:49:14,200 –> 00:49:15,800
creepy.
I thought it was creepy.

837
00:49:15,900 –> 00:49:18,200
The church scene was weird on
the one hand.

838
00:49:18,200 –> 00:49:21,800
There are people there
practicing religion, but sure.

839
00:49:22,100 –> 00:49:23,700
I don’t know.
Like one thing.

840
00:49:23,700 –> 00:49:28,100
I’ve always heard about a regime
like this is there’s not really

841
00:49:28,100 –> 00:49:33,600
room to worship someone else.
No, I look as a Westerner.

842
00:49:33,700 –> 00:49:37,800
I have no way to comment on
whether or not any form of

843
00:49:37,800 –> 00:49:42,100
Christianity is allowed to be
practiced within North Korea.

844
00:49:42,100 –> 00:49:45,600
I can only go based on what they
are telling me in there.

845
00:49:45,600 –> 00:49:49,400
And also the fact that they you
know, they tend to imprison

846
00:49:50,100 –> 00:49:53,000
missionaries but also like a lot
of countries do that because

847
00:49:53,000 –> 00:49:57,300
missionaries are often agents of
chaos within the country.

848
00:49:57,400 –> 00:50:03,600
Yeah, but like this church scene
was very it just felt stage.

849
00:50:03,600 –> 00:50:06,500
I can’t help it.
It just felt staged everything

850
00:50:06,500 –> 00:50:10,100
about it.
Felt off enough that I could

851
00:50:10,100 –> 00:50:13,700
tell that they’re just, I don’t
know, but maybe this is just me.

852
00:50:13,900 –> 00:50:16,800
This is just my Western
chauvinism showing.

853
00:50:17,000 –> 00:50:20,100
Yeah, it did sound like they’d
been practicing that song.

854
00:50:20,200 –> 00:50:23,100
They were singing a whole lot
and he comments on the fact that

855
00:50:23,100 –> 00:50:27,500
they’re all really good singers.
And yeah, that there was no

856
00:50:27,500 –> 00:50:31,900
priest and so they did not have
a Eucharist and could not Form

857
00:50:32,100 –> 00:50:36,400
communion, which is whatever I’m
not Catholic, I don’t know the

858
00:50:36,400 –> 00:50:38,900
protocol when a priest isn’t
available.

859
00:50:38,900 –> 00:50:41,500
I don’t know, but like that’s a
coincidence.

860
00:50:41,500 –> 00:50:44,600
I would say that the priest just
happened to not be available on

861
00:50:44,600 –> 00:50:46,800
the day that they went and
showed it.

862
00:50:46,800 –> 00:50:51,300
But also the church was very
plain for a Catholic Church.

863
00:50:51,300 –> 00:50:55,300
There was no real Christian
iconography that I could see

864
00:50:55,300 –> 00:51:00,400
except for a picture of maybe
Jesus and a baby and that’s it.

865
00:51:00,400 –> 00:51:03,300
I don’t know.
Look and like I said, I think

866
00:51:03,300 –> 00:51:08,200
they were on an extremely guided
tour, making this documentary

867
00:51:08,500 –> 00:51:12,500
and I’m sure that at least a
percentage of the things that

868
00:51:12,500 –> 00:51:16,300
they were shown were fake.
Even if I think they got some

869
00:51:16,300 –> 00:51:20,200
very real candid footage and I
think that this is one of the

870
00:51:20,200 –> 00:51:23,500
things that was faked.
Yeah, because the documentary

871
00:51:23,500 –> 00:51:27,300
very rightfully after this
moment gets into the story of

872
00:51:27,300 –> 00:51:30,700
Kenneth Bae, right?
Alejandro goes on this huge rant

873
00:51:30,700 –> 00:51:33,100
about They’re never going to
release Kenneth Bae and then he

874
00:51:33,100 –> 00:51:35,400
gets released like a couple
months later.

875
00:51:35,400 –> 00:51:38,600
But if religion is so allowed in
the country.

876
00:51:38,600 –> 00:51:42,900
Why did Kenneth Bae get arrested
for bringing Bibles into North,

877
00:51:42,900 –> 00:51:45,600
right Korea?
Which here’s the thing, though?

878
00:51:45,600 –> 00:51:48,500
Whenever I don’t know, I’m
always suspicious.

879
00:51:48,600 –> 00:51:53,100
When someone gets arrested in
another country and accused of

880
00:51:53,100 –> 00:51:55,200
being a spy, because nine times
out of ten.

881
00:51:55,200 –> 00:51:58,800
I’m like great probably cuz
they’re a spy like yeah.

882
00:51:59,100 –> 00:52:02,000
Please know that, if you’ve ever
been allowed, Into North Korea.

883
00:52:02,000 –> 00:52:06,300
I do not trust you.
I assume you are government of

884
00:52:06,300 –> 00:52:09,200
yes, or and be like, yes, but
like, I don’t know.

885
00:52:09,200 –> 00:52:13,700
I basically try like, well,
trust is a strong word, but I

886
00:52:13,700 –> 00:52:17,500
believe all of our Longoria the
director of this film.

887
00:52:17,500 –> 00:52:19,500
Okay.
Let me backtrack if you are an

888
00:52:19,500 –> 00:52:24,100
American who is allowed into
North Korea, please understand,

889
00:52:24,100 –> 00:52:26,500
Dennis, Rodman.
I think you’re working for the

890
00:52:26,500 –> 00:52:27,200
government.
Now.

891
00:52:27,200 –> 00:52:29,400
Wow, okay.
I didn’t know that.

892
00:52:29,400 –> 00:52:33,000
I did a video at cracked about
how Dennis Rodman is clearly a

893
00:52:33,000 –> 00:52:35,100
government agent.
Like he’s huh?

894
00:52:35,200 –> 00:52:37,000
Getting too much access in North
Korea.

895
00:52:37,100 –> 00:52:39,800
Yeah.
I mean, look maybe and maybe

896
00:52:39,800 –> 00:52:45,000
like maybe he’s like Alejandro,
just a convenient fool.

897
00:52:45,100 –> 00:52:47,200
And who wants a good time?
Oh, yeah.

898
00:52:47,200 –> 00:52:49,900
No, I’m not saying he’s
necessarily there for nefarious

899
00:52:49,900 –> 00:52:52,500
reasons, but if you’re being
allowed into North Korea,

900
00:52:52,500 –> 00:52:55,000
someone’s using you from the
ferry, so he’s for sure.

901
00:52:55,000 –> 00:52:59,900
I like definitely an American in
North Korea is super suspicious.

902
00:53:00,200 –> 00:53:04,300
Sure is Because they don’t, they
don’t like us and you know, they

903
00:53:04,300 –> 00:53:07,200
mostly have pretty good reasons
for not liking us.

904
00:53:07,500 –> 00:53:09,600
Yeah.
So the last thing they talked

905
00:53:09,600 –> 00:53:14,500
about and I think it’s really
interesting is the idea that a

906
00:53:14,500 –> 00:53:17,600
crazy North Korea actually
benefits.

907
00:53:17,700 –> 00:53:23,100
Yes, most involved parties
Korean unification would maybe

908
00:53:23,100 –> 00:53:25,600
benefit the United States a
little bit, right?

909
00:53:26,100 –> 00:53:29,000
Maybe China depending on how
things shake out.

910
00:53:29,000 –> 00:53:30,900
It’s going to be one or the
other.

911
00:53:31,200 –> 00:53:34,200
It as they explained in the
documentary, China doesn’t

912
00:53:34,200 –> 00:53:37,500
necessarily want that because
they like having that communist

913
00:53:37,500 –> 00:53:41,600
buffer right there on their
border, the US wants to still be

914
00:53:41,600 –> 00:53:45,100
able to sell weapons to people
to protect them from North

915
00:53:45,100 –> 00:53:48,300
Korea’s like the surrounding
countries that we consider

916
00:53:48,300 –> 00:53:51,300
allies.
Right and Russia thinks a

917
00:53:51,300 –> 00:53:55,100
unified Korea would strengthen
America’s position?

918
00:53:55,200 –> 00:53:59,900
R on the world stage and South
Korea, doesn’t want a unified

919
00:53:59,900 –> 00:54:02,800
Korea because they We’ll be the
ones who have to pay for it and

920
00:54:02,800 –> 00:54:04,100
it’ll cost a fucked on the
money.

921
00:54:04,300 –> 00:54:09,200
Yeah, so it seems like the only
people who might want the North

922
00:54:09,200 –> 00:54:11,300
Korean government toppled for
real are.

923
00:54:11,300 –> 00:54:15,400
Yeah, the people of North Korea.
Maybe maybe who knows it.

924
00:54:15,400 –> 00:54:18,200
I’m sure those people exist.
Like every government has people

925
00:54:18,200 –> 00:54:19,600
that want to topple it.
Like exactly.

926
00:54:20,300 –> 00:54:23,200
That’s just a normal someday,
normal part of society.

927
00:54:23,200 –> 00:54:25,300
People disagree with your
government.

928
00:54:25,700 –> 00:54:30,600
Yeah, and I think the fact that
it like the no one seems to

929
00:54:30,600 –> 00:54:35,000
think that That is a like the
regime being toppled from within

930
00:54:35,000 –> 00:54:39,600
is a possibility which I think
is an example of Western,

931
00:54:39,600 –> 00:54:43,800
infantile ization of Eastern
countries.

932
00:54:43,800 –> 00:54:48,600
Like they just don’t think that
it’s possible, that these babies

933
00:54:48,600 –> 00:54:53,700
will be able to stop suckling at
the teat of their great leader.

934
00:54:53,800 –> 00:54:58,900
Yeah, and I think that that is
really disgusting way to view

935
00:54:58,900 –> 00:55:00,900
them.
They’re human beings and if

936
00:55:01,300 –> 00:55:05,000
Enough of them are fed up enough
without there being treated,

937
00:55:05,000 –> 00:55:08,600
then that there will be an
uprising someday.

938
00:55:08,700 –> 00:55:10,900
Yeah, that’s usually how it
happens.

939
00:55:11,000 –> 00:55:13,500
Either that or we’ll figure out
a way to cause it like that.

940
00:55:13,500 –> 00:55:16,300
Maybe it’s also how it happens.
She has.

941
00:55:16,300 –> 00:55:19,300
That’s also how it happens.
I don’t know man, but I do just

942
00:55:19,300 –> 00:55:22,600
know that I think North Korea is
a is an extreme.

943
00:55:22,600 –> 00:55:24,700
Like I’ve said, an extremely
fascinating country.

944
00:55:24,700 –> 00:55:29,200
Maybe it’s in the running for
most interesting Nation on the

945
00:55:29,207 –> 00:55:32,200
planet just from, oh, for sure.
Yeah, just from a

946
00:55:32,700 –> 00:55:36,500
anthropological standpoint in
the history of the world.

947
00:55:36,600 –> 00:55:39,700
There’s never really been a
place like that.

948
00:55:39,700 –> 00:55:44,100
Yeah, it’s I don’t know.
It’s just so fascinating and

949
00:55:44,100 –> 00:55:50,700
it’s such an interesting mirror
to America and to how America

950
00:55:50,700 –> 00:55:55,300
sees itself on the world stage,
which is why I think they that

951
00:55:55,300 –> 00:56:00,500
we have or at least our
propaganda apparatus has such a

952
00:56:01,000 –> 00:56:06,500
actual discussed reaction to
them because you know, they’re

953
00:56:06,500 –> 00:56:10,300
kind of like a little cartoon
America now, but in a lot of

954
00:56:10,300 –> 00:56:16,100
ways like they’re candy colored
and they are, you know, they

955
00:56:16,100 –> 00:56:19,000
love their military, right?
They love their military and

956
00:56:19,000 –> 00:56:24,500
they’re and they’re not hiding
the things that they are

957
00:56:24,500 –> 00:56:29,300
indoctrinating people within the
way that we hide behind.

958
00:56:29,700 –> 00:56:32,600
Hide our ideology.
And I think we find that

959
00:56:32,600 –> 00:56:37,300
repellent and I think that you
know, I just think this is a

960
00:56:37,300 –> 00:56:40,300
good documentary.
Like I said earlier if you want

961
00:56:40,300 –> 00:56:44,100
to just broaden your perspective
on North Korea and start to get

962
00:56:44,100 –> 00:56:47,800
into how it is.
Not the boogeyman of the world

963
00:56:47,800 –> 00:56:51,400
that you might think it is and
how there are actually real

964
00:56:51,400 –> 00:56:55,400
human beings who live real human
lives in this country.

965
00:56:55,500 –> 00:56:56,900
Yeah.
It’s an interesting documentary

966
00:56:56,900 –> 00:57:00,800
will link to where you can watch
it in the show notes.

967
00:57:00,800 –> 00:57:04,300
You can can still buy copies of
it on DVD, but you have to have

968
00:57:04,300 –> 00:57:07,300
the right DVD player to play
them or you just have to know

969
00:57:07,300 –> 00:57:10,900
how to change that setting in
your DVD which isn’t impossible.

970
00:57:11,000 –> 00:57:15,000
Well, near PlayStations are all
region free, which is something

971
00:57:15,000 –> 00:57:16,700
I’ve always liked.
That is nice.

972
00:57:16,900 –> 00:57:18,900
So, yeah, I think that’s our
episode.

973
00:57:19,000 –> 00:57:20,900
Yeah.
People watch this documentary

974
00:57:20,900 –> 00:57:23,100
and decide for yourself.
It’s an interesting one.

975
00:57:23,100 –> 00:57:25,500
It is.
Do we have anything to plug

976
00:57:25,600 –> 00:57:27,900
before we get out of here?
Yeah.

977
00:57:28,200 –> 00:57:32,800
I want to plug no war.
Are in the Ukraine.

978
00:57:33,600 –> 00:57:36,800
No, American Military
intervention in the Ukraine.

979
00:57:36,900 –> 00:57:42,500
I think that would be a downfall
of our society and then you can

980
00:57:42,500 –> 00:57:46,700
also follow me on Twitter and
letterbox that either hide our

981
00:57:47,000 –> 00:57:50,700
while Twitter still exists,
while it still exists in isn’t

982
00:57:50,700 –> 00:57:53,400
pumping.
Talk about a propaganda game.

983
00:57:53,700 –> 00:57:57,200
Oh, right.
You can follow me on Twitter and

984
00:57:57,200 –> 00:57:58,400
Instagram.
It Adam Todd Brown.

985
00:57:58,400 –> 00:58:00,900
Let’s talk with one D.
You can also follow the show.

986
00:58:01,000 –> 00:58:04,200
Show at conspiracy pops on
Twitter and Instagram.

987
00:58:04,200 –> 00:58:07,200
I don’t update that Instagram as
much as I should, but I’ll get

988
00:58:07,200 –> 00:58:08,800
around to it.
Don’t worry about it.

989
00:58:09,300 –> 00:58:13,500
Oh man, no bonus episodes at
patreon.com on pops, on pops,

990
00:58:13,500 –> 00:58:17,200
Network got super cast, dot
tick, or right there in your

991
00:58:17,200 –> 00:58:20,600
Spotify app, and in your Apple
podcast app soon.

992
00:58:21,200 –> 00:58:25,200
So hell, yeah, do all that, get
bonus episodes here as talk

993
00:58:25,200 –> 00:58:27,400
about Jesse Ventura and things
like that.

994
00:58:27,400 –> 00:58:29,300
And now, yeah, I think that’s
it.

995
00:58:29,400 –> 00:58:32,600
Let’s get out of here.
Olivia say, Bye good, bye

996
00:58:32,600 –> 00:58:33,500
everybody.
We love you.