Conspiracy! The Show The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence Pt. 2

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Which of the transparent you?
This whole upper chest?

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Hey everybody.
Welcome to conspiracy the show.

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I’m your host, Adam Todd Brown.
I don’t have a co-host this

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week.
I am going it alone.

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Why?
Because we are finally digging

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in to part 2 of the book, the
CIA and the cult of intelligence

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just to refresh your memory.
This was the first book, the US

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government ever tried to Answer
on National Security grounds.

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It’s a forgotten moment in
American history, due in large

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part to the fact that the events
and lawsuits around this book

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happened around the same time.
The government was trying to

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hang a New York Times Reporter
in the Town Square for reporting

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on the Pentagon papers.
Those were a series of documents

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that made it really clear that
the American government was

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lying to the people about the
country’s dealings in Vietnam.

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One of the big differences
between this book and the

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Pentagon papers is that the
Pentagon papers just revealed

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that the government lied to us a
bunch in the past the CIA and

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the cult of Intelligence on the
other hand was about things that

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the government was doing in the
present.

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At least at the back, then
present, you get it.

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And here’s the thing evil, as it
may be, the US government isn’t

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the least transparent in the
world.

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It’s just that they usually take
a long, long time to tell us,

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Stuff like how all those Roswell
UFO files are just now coming

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out, for example, and even then,
we only get the absolute minimum

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amount of information they can
give us while staying within the

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boundaries of the law and
because of that Sheen of

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transparency.
When you dive into older Source

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material Like This Book, You’ll
sometimes find things that are

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presented as shocking
revelations.

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That these days are just common
knowledge and accepted as

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things.
The government does case in

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point part.
Ooh, of this book kicks off with

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a section about Special
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Did you know the CIA sometimes
deals with their problems by way

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of covert military action?
Yeah, of course, you know that

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we have known that for decades
now, but information didn’t flow

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as freely in the early 70s.
So back, then, this was news to

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everyone who read this book.
The first few pages of this

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chapter, spend a lot of words,
explaining some fundamental

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things about the CIA.
At anyone who is interested in

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the agency at all already knows
by.

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Now example, there are two types
of CIA agents.

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The ones who do spy shit and the
ones who do murder shit.

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And you can tell what side of
the fence, Victor marchetti the

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author of this book fell on from
his descriptions of each side.

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The clandestine, spy guys are
quote engaging in a gentleman’s

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game end quote.
The war guys, meanwhile are

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described as both gangsters and
and Animals in the span of one

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paragraph but it’s not all
common knowledge in this

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chapter.
At one point.

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It talks about how the CIA back
in the 1950s.

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Realize that keeping full-time
military Types on staff wasn’t

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cost effective because they were
useless when there wasn’t War

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stuff to do.
So instead of hiring full-time

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mercenaries.
They would just recruit from the

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Navy Seals and other especially
Advanced military units and get

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them on loan those soldiers.
Just would serve their Duty with

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the CIA and then go back to
their regular military life and

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the CIA time counted toward
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It’s like a vacation but instead
of lounging on a beach with a

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drink in your hand.
You’re pulling up to a beach in

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a military boat.
So you can topple a lawfully

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elected socialist leader, and
that’s actually not that

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interesting of a detail.
I only bring it up because that

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process of getting military
fighters on loan is for some

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reason, called Sheep dipping one
legitimate.

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Italy.
Interesting set of details in

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this chapter involves the type
of weapons.

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The CIA was being trained on in
the years.

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Before this book came out, the
account comes from a former CIA

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agent who gave an interview to
ramparts magazine, use code

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Some of the stuff he talks about

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is kind of run-of-the-mill by
today’s standards bullets that

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explode on impact machine guns,
with silencers homemade

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explosives, things of the like.
But then He brings up the mini

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cannon.
Here’s a quote.

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It was constructed of a concave
piece of Steel fitted into the

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top of a number 10 can filled
with a plastic explosive when

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the device was detonated.
The tremendous heat of friction

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of the steel turning inside out.
Made the steel piece, a

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white-hot projectile.
There was a number of uses for

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the mini cannon, one of which
was demonstrated to us using an

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old army School Bus.
The mini cannon was fastened to

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the gasoline tank in such a
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That the incendiary projectile
would rupture the tank and fling

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flaming gasoline the length of
the bus interior.

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Incinerating anyone inside end
quote and you ickes for the

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record.
The guy giving this account was

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driven to retire after seeing
this demonstration.

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He got into the CIA thinking he
was doing so to help spread

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democracy and good.
And then realized his job was

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more of a burn.
Innocent civilians alive.

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Sometimes kind of gig.
It was Probably because of

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Public Accounts like this among
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Watergate being one of them that
in the 70s.

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There was this big push to
reform the CIA and if you ask

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history that did actually
happen, but I kind of take issue

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with that.
I feel like the notion that the

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CIA has ever been reformed in
any significant or beneficial

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way is incorrect.
Yes, there were lots of

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Revelations in the 70s.
There was the church committee

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which we’ll talk about near the
end of this episode.

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But eventually the reform we got
was an agreement that the CIA

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wouldn’t conduct Mass
surveillance on American

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citizens or operate on American
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And for one thing, if you
believe the suggestion that

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Jonestown was a CIA operation is
true, then they’d already moved

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on from the hospital phase of
that project and relocated to

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foreign lands to carry out the
mass experiment phase by the

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time.
Any of that reform started and

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even if you don’t believe that
we know for sure.

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At the CIA was training
mercenaries in Latin America by

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the early 70s.
So aside from the MKUltra stuff,

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the CIA seemed to be almost
completely focused on doing

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business in countries that
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So thinking that banning them
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was a punishment is kind of
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They didn’t want to operate on
American soil anyway, and you

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can see more proof of that in
the document.

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I’ll link to in the show notes.
It Was Written In 1980 and it

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details.
The CIA is long-term plans for

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that decade and beyond for one
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They definitely had no plans of
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Now, that the American people
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Not only did they want to
expand, they especially wanted

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to expand the exact kind of
Special Operations, this chapter

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of the CIA and the cult of
intelligence talks about so much

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so that they even wanted to go
back to having paramilitary

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units on standby again instead
of sheep dipping troops on loan

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from them.
Terry, this document also

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highlighted the need to come up
with money for those operations

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outside of the usual, just ask
Congress for it Avenues.

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This was published very shortly
after for the first time in

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history, a CIA director decided
to seek the second highest

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office in all the land.
Vice President of the United

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States that CIA director was
George h.w.

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Bush.
Hey, remember that time Ronald

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Reagan was inaugurated as the
40th President of the United

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States on January.
With 1981 and approximately

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eight weeks later.
Someone tried to kill him in

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weirdo.
CIA mind control fashion.

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I’m sure none of that.
Had anything to do with how

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vehement Lee Reagan went along
with the suggestions in this CI,

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a sales pitch, for the majority
of his presidency.

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For starters.
We absolutely wrecked shop in

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Central America putting down
leftist regimes that dared to

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give their people food for cheap
in our half of the hemisphere.

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In other words, just as this
Same 1980 CIA document mentions

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the fight against communism,
shifted, its focus from Russia

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to a more broad selection of
smaller countries and the book

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touches on why that might have
been we’ll get into it later as

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for the part about finding money
for these operations.

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We know that also came to pass
in the 80s as seen in the

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Iran-Contra scandal.
And more recently, the FX

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original series snowfall both of
those schemes involved, selling

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stuff and funneling money to the
People behind our various early

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80s interventions in Central
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Eventually leading to all sorts
of modern day problems.

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That keep our domestic law
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agencies employed.
Nice.

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What I’m getting at is that the
Special Operation stuff

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mentioned in this book.
Never stopped, which probably

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goes a long way toward
explaining why the government

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doesn’t really bother with
censorship attempts of this sort

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any more like sure, the Pentagon
papers embarrassing people.

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There might have been a
resignation or two over it.

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But so What about any of that?
Those are pretty minor

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ramifications for a scandal that
involved us.

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Finding out the government
propaganda that the country into

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a war that cost tens of
thousands of lives.

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As for this book.
The CIA didn’t have to change

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anything after this book was
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They just carried on as usual,
moving in the same direction.

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They’d been planning to move the
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So what’s the point of spending
resources on censorship

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litigation?
I bet money that it’s become

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even less important as Society
has moved toward labeling,

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anything that someone claims the
government did that the

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government doesn’t admit to as a
conspiracy theory?

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Well done, America.
Hey, let’s talk about chapter 5

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of the CIA and the cult of
intelligence.

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This chapter is all about
proprietary organizations.

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I feel like the American public
has real pretend.

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None of this is happening, kind
of relationship with the CIA and

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that’s, especially true, when it
comes to things like proprietary

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organizations.
That’s just a fancy way to say

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fronts.
These are businesses or

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organizations that are funded by
and operate mostly for the

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benefit of the CIA.
Even if they don’t say so

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publicly.
It might not say CIA are on the

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side of the plane, but rest
assured, if some cocaine needs a

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fly into or from Latin America.
That’s the plane.

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It’s going to be on.
We like to make jokes these days

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about how the various forms of
digital intrusion that we’ve

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allowed into our private lives.
Might secretly be

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government-funded efforts.
But most of the time that’s just

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true.
Take Google Earth.

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For example, it’s not like
there’s just some distant

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possibility that the CIA was
involved in developing a program

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that takes aerial view, photos
of the entire world, all the

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time.
No, it’s just that the CIA

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developed that program.
What we know as Google Earth now

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started life as Keyhole
Incorporated a CIA funded

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satellite mapping company that
was acquired by Google in 2005.

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Google acquired Keyhole ink from
in-q-tel, which is quite

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literally, the investment
Capital wing of the CIA.

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Again, that’s not just a
suggestion or hyperbole.

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Here’s the opening paragraph of
NQ tells about page which you

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can easily find for yourself at
IQ T dot org.

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Here goes in-q-tel was founded
in 1999 as the global

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technological evolution is
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The internet is widely
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Mobile applications are
launching in The digital

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revolution has arrived the CIA
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Once Innovation leaders
recognize they were missing out

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on the cutting-edge Innovative
and impactful Technologies

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coming out of Silicon Valley and
Beyond combining the security

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Savvy of government.
With the can do curiosity of

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Silicon, Valley in-q-tel is born
and that’s where your damn

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Google Earth’s are coming from,
but don’t worry the queue and

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the name is just a James Bond
reference, not a Of global

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Elite.
Sex, traffickers reference.

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If you do.
Make your way over to IQ.

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T, dot org.
Take a look at their portfolio

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section because it is nine solid
pages of CIA adjacent companies

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with CIA adjacent names that all
do CIA adjacent things.

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If you don’t have time to check
it out for yourself, here are

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some highlights falconry and
analytics company, press Sheehan

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and Ai and machine Learning
Company.

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Tortuga logic, that’s an end.
Or structure company.

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And I know Tortuga means Turtle,
but it also shares way too many

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letters with the word torture
for me to be comfortable with

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the CIA using it.
Next one, Morpheus space.

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What do they do?
People?

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It just says space, everything
else on this list is machine

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learning or analytics or
autonomous systems, but for

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Morpheus space, it just says
space.

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How about you meet them there?
If you have more questions,

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nerd, lenger, then there’s deep
G, which is AI and machine

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learning.
That sounds like Instagram for

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deep fakes and I’m assuming that
is exactly what it is until

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someone proves.
Otherwise cockroach Labs trust

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them for all your it platform
needs.

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There’s also flirty, which as
the name implies is an

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autonomous systems company that
will definitely never morph into

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a CIA controlled dating app.
There’s Anaconda analytics

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presented without further
comment and finally black bag

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Technologies.
Possibly the least subtle name

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you could give To a CIA owned
company.

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There’s also, one more
interesting name on the list of

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CIA owned tech companies and
that is palantir analytics.

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That’s a name.
That’s come up a lot on this

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podcast and a few others on the
network mostly in relation to

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the LAPD.
Yes.

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I know.
It’s a Lord of the Rings

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reference cool.
It nerds.

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It’s also a massive database of
information that compiles, all

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sorts of data from various
surveillance streams and makes

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it searchable for law
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It’s mainstream knowledge to the
point that if you watch the

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massively underrated Heist, film
den of Thieves, you’ll hear

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Gerard Butler’s dirty cop
character, make reference to

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running a palantir search for 50
Cent or whoever the hell he was

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after in that movie.
So in summary, when it comes to

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proprietary organizations, the
CIA funded, what is arguably the

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largest database of pictures of
the earth and the database most

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trusted by law enforcement to
track down criminals at the

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local level.
Well, this isn’t a secret and it

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doesn’t take an internet search
professional to find this

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information.
But it feels like we still treat

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news like this as if it’s just a
theory or a suggestion.

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Like haha careful on that phone
government might be spying on

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you, but there’s no might about
it.

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The government is just spying on
you.

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So back to the book the CIA and
the cult of intelligence.

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Obviously the CIA front
companies.

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It references are far less
tech-savvy than what their

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dabbling in these.
Is, but interesting,

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nonetheless, for one thing,
they’re referred to in the book

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as the Delaware Corporations.
These are again companies or

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organizations that, by all
public appearances, operate

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independently, but behind closed
doors, they’re funded and

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controlled by the CIA.
The majority of them, at least

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at the time, probably still were
set up in Delaware because that

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state has notoriously lenient
regulations when it comes to

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corporations to of the earliest
CIA fronts both.

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Both set up in the 1950s were
Radio free Europe and radio

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Liberty, which are both
obviously car dealerships.

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Wait, no radio stations.
Those are radio stations.

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And if you can believe it, the
CIA use them both to drop the

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hottest propaganda on the
streets, whenever the situation

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called for it, the board of
both, companies were filled with

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prominent American Business
types, but it was the agency who

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had their people in all of the
management and programming.

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Positions a similar company was
used during the Bay of Pigs

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Fiasco.
The CIA set up a radio station

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on a desolate island in the
Caribbean called Swan Island and

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they gave that radio station.
The Creative name radio Swan,

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according to all public records.
It was an independently owned

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station, that just happened to
be hardcore, dedicated to

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parroting CIA talking points,
except when the Bay of Pigs

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invasion began.
They stopped with a propaganda

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and just started It up
broadcasting orders to the

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Troops.
So that cover was blown.

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But also that was way, way way
down near the bottom on the list

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of concerns with the Bay of Pigs
invasion.

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The CIA doesn’t just deal in
radio stations and tricking us

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into locking ourselves into a
digital prison of our own

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making.
Though.

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They also own a bunch of
Airlines or at least they did

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back when this book was
published.

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They probably own fleets of UFOs
by now, but yeah, dominating the

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globe, in the name of fighting,
the commies requires a The can

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amount of air travel so much so
that it’s just easier to own a

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whole bunch of commercial
airline companies as opposed to

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risk, going through a travel
agency just to find out, it’s

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owned by Keri Russell in the guy
from The Americans God.

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I miss that show.
Anyway, the CIA owned a bunch of

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Airlines and that sets up one of
the most interesting deletions

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in this book.
Remember the feds got to read

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this first in some of the things
they wanted cut did indeed get

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cut.
Here’s a sentence about the CIA

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owned Airlines.
Agency proprietaries include air

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America.
AirAsia Civil Air transport

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Intermountain, Aviation Southern
are Aviation deleted and several

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other air Charter companies
around the world, which one was

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so sensitive, that the public
couldn’t know about it.

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I want to know.
It would be funny if it was like

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Spirit Airlines or something and
they were just too ashamed to

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admit.
They own that one, but it’s

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obviously not that Spirit.
Airlines didn’t exist when this

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book was written.
And An airline secretly rules,

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you’re just a bad traveler.
If you think otherwise whatever

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the case, the cia’s airline
Holdings at the time, amounted

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to one of if not, the largest
fleets of commercial aircraft

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owned by one person or group.
But again, I’m sure they’ve

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abandoned commercial airliners
for UFOs or jumping through

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wormholes or something like
that.

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The next section of the book
chapter 6 is dedicated to

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propaganda and disinformation,
which is crazy because only Only

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Russia does that, right?
Of course not.

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We’re great at it too.
We always have been one thing

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that comes up, right away in
this section is that we aren’t

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just good at it.
Sometimes, we’re too good at it.

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The example.
They use is the foreign

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broadcast information service,
which was a CIA owned outfit.

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And their main role was to
monitor news reports, from

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various World, intelligence
hotspots, and compile those

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stories into a handy, you know,
compilation.

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And then they would disseminate
That to various government and

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academic institutions.
That might need it.

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Nothing Shady about that.
I could use a service like that

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myself, but they didn’t just do
that.

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The FBI is would also monitor
the various fake radio stations

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and transmitters that the CIA
erected all around the world to

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gauge.
What kind of reach the fake

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nonsense, they were broadcasting
through those radios was getting

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into, you see where this is
going.

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What would often end up
happening is the Fake CIA

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created news stories that they
were monitoring would sometimes

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get mixed in with the legitimate
news stories that they were

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Distributing to the government
and colleges and universities.

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In other words.
Their fake news was getting

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presented to the World At Large
as real news.

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And you know what?
The CIA did to fix this.

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Not a goddamn thing, if
legitimate academics and

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government officials are pushing
those fake news stories.

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It just makes those stories.
Seem less fake and thus more.

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Everyone wins except for most of
us.

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A lot of what comes up in this
section of the book is redacted

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in dramatic, fashion example.
This passage.

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Meanwhile, the agency’s
operatives turn to outright

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disinformation in their effort
to exploit China’s internal

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difficulties, for example, comma
12 lines, deleted will never

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know and then there’s this
passage the red guards turn

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their fury on the Ministry of
Foreign Affairs, demanding, that

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Chinese diplomats to be cleansed
of Ten ways and rededicated to

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Mao’s principles of Communism.
22 lines, deleted.

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And then here’s one more.
A propaganda operation.

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Might not be anything more
devious than broadcasting,

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straight news reports or rock,
music to the countries of

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Eastern Europe.
Others are far more devious 11

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lines deleted.
So we can’t be sure what exact

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form of devious was outlined in
that, deleted passage.

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But here’s one from later in the
book at one point.

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The CIA was secretly funding a
new york-based.

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Newspaper called The Daily
worker.

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Don’t take that as a reflection
of the staff at the daily

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worker.
None of them knew about this

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because the support came
strictly in the form of

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thousands of prepaid
subscriptions to the Daily

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worker all paid for by the CIA.
Why, because they felt the daily

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worker having a large subscriber
base.

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Would make Americans take the
threat of Communism more.

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Seriously.
I know what you’re going to ask,

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doesn’t that sort of imply that
the threat of Communism?

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Wasn’t all that.
See.

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Serious.
At the time.

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Good question.
Comrade.

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How about you take it up with
the CIA?

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Oh and just as an aside in this
section of the book.

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They also reference Nazi
Germany’s use of quote, the big

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lie and quote, as one of the
major advances in propaganda and

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misinformation.
And let me tell you here in the

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phrase, the big lie tossed
around in that way isn’t at all

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alarming in a 2022 context.
Anyway, the book also touches on

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the three different.
Signs of disinformation, white

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gray and black white
disinformation, or white

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propaganda has to be the rarest
of all.

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Because apparently that just
means the CIA tells the people

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the truth.
If we as a government, we’re

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engaging in that one a bunch.
We probably wouldn’t even have

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or need a CIA then there’s gray
propaganda, which is the truth

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with a little or a lot of lies
mixed in with it.

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I think a good example of this
can be found in a CIA related

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documentary that I bring.
Yup.

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All the time, which is wormwood,
which you can see on Netflix in

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that case, the CIA just
straight-up accepts

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responsibility for and admits to
giving an agent too much LSD

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during an experiment gone.
Awry eventually causing him to

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jump to his death from a hotel
window, except that turns out

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there was a lot more to it than
that LSD.

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Yes, out a window.
Yes, but it was less than he

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went.
Crazy from the drugs and more.

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That he grew a conscience.
Because of the drugs and wanted

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to tell the world that we used
chemical weapons in the Korean

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War.
So the CIA had to have someone

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Chuck him out a window for the
good of the country.

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But hey, at least his family got
to meet Gerald Ford and then the

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Third Kind of propaganda the
worst kind.

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It’s called black propaganda.
It’s also affectionately

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referred to as disinformation,
which is great because I feel

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very uncomfortable calling the
worst kind of propaganda black

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propaganda that in and of itself
feels like a psychological

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operation of Some sort on the
government’s part, but as the

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name disinformation implies,
this is just outright lies.

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Just the government lion to the
people and somehow in any book

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or media of any sort that
mentions.

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This Russia is always credited
with inventing this as if no one

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knew how to lie to their
citizenry before Khrushchev took

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power.
What’s weird about this section

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of the book and a lot of the
book in general, is that a lot

446
00:24:49,500 –> 00:24:51,600
of it is just kind of boring and
mundane.

447
00:24:51,600 –> 00:24:54,100
That probably goes a long way
toward explaining.

448
00:24:54,400 –> 00:24:58,500
Why the CIA has a Hollywood
liaison Department that exists

449
00:24:58,500 –> 00:25:02,200
solely to consult on movie
projects in the hope of making

450
00:25:02,200 –> 00:25:05,700
the agency look more like a
bunch of well-intentioned,

451
00:25:05,700 –> 00:25:09,400
George Clooney’s, and less like
a bunch of half Nazis acting on

452
00:25:09,400 –> 00:25:12,300
behalf of corporate America.
While there is obviously, lots

453
00:25:12,300 –> 00:25:15,400
of Rootin, tootin and gun,
shooting inherent to what the

454
00:25:15,400 –> 00:25:18,900
CIA does.
A lot of it is also stuff like a

455
00:25:18,900 –> 00:25:22,700
story in the book about how they
responded to a potentially

456
00:25:22,700 –> 00:25:25,100
inflammatory Rush.
Ian forgery.

457
00:25:25,100 –> 00:25:28,100
It was a document that claim to
prove the United States was

458
00:25:28,100 –> 00:25:31,100
supporting the overthrow of the
Indonesian government.

459
00:25:31,100 –> 00:25:33,700
And here’s the problem.
We were supporting the overthrow

460
00:25:33,700 –> 00:25:36,300
of the Indonesian government.
Of course, we were.

461
00:25:36,400 –> 00:25:39,900
So to put this story to bed,
Richard Helms, then deputy

462
00:25:39,900 –> 00:25:43,500
director of clandestine Services
eventual director of the CIA

463
00:25:43,600 –> 00:25:46,900
brief the Senate, internal
security subcommittee on

464
00:25:46,900 –> 00:25:51,800
communist forgeries and included
the Indonesia documents among 30

465
00:25:51,800 –> 00:25:56,100
or so other examples of
Forgeries when he presented this

466
00:25:56,100 –> 00:26:00,200
he made no mention of the
validity of the information in

467
00:26:00,200 –> 00:26:04,400
the Indonesia forgeries, just
that these along with the 30 or

468
00:26:04,400 –> 00:26:08,000
so, others were all just
obviously fake documents.

469
00:26:08,000 –> 00:26:11,600
So they took this fake document
that Russia was hoping the

470
00:26:11,600 –> 00:26:15,900
public would see and react to in
a negative way and to neutralize

471
00:26:15,900 –> 00:26:18,700
all that they just showed it to
the public and said, look, this

472
00:26:18,700 –> 00:26:22,100
is obviously fake, but just the
document, not the words in it.

473
00:26:22,100 –> 00:26:24,400
They never said the words in it
were fake, but that’s Where the

474
00:26:24,400 –> 00:26:27,700
story died Helms, testimony was
entered into the public record

475
00:26:27,700 –> 00:26:31,200
in the matter was put to rest
without the feds even having to

476
00:26:31,200 –> 00:26:34,300
talk about it and see not all
that interesting turns out

477
00:26:34,300 –> 00:26:37,600
there’s a lot of mundane
day-to-day tasks that come with

478
00:26:37,800 –> 00:26:40,900
upholding American ideals around
the globe.

479
00:26:41,000 –> 00:26:43,100
Something else that comes up in
the propaganda and

480
00:26:43,100 –> 00:26:45,900
disinformation section of the
book is something that came up

481
00:26:45,900 –> 00:26:48,400
in the proprietary organization
section.

482
00:26:48,400 –> 00:26:50,800
Also, which is the radio
stations.

483
00:26:50,800 –> 00:26:55,400
There were a lot of them because
the radio Was the shit at the

484
00:26:55,400 –> 00:26:57,800
time, which leads to what I
think is a very obvious

485
00:26:57,800 –> 00:27:02,400
question, seeing as how podcasts
are the radio stations of today.

486
00:27:02,500 –> 00:27:05,600
Have you ever taken time to
think about what podcasts are

487
00:27:05,600 –> 00:27:10,100
produced and funded by the CIA?
Because I have for starters.

488
00:27:34,700 –> 00:27:37,600
And oh man, don’t even get me
started on.

489
00:28:04,300 –> 00:28:08,600
Anyway, yeah the radio stations
or just the radios as this book,

490
00:28:08,600 –> 00:28:12,200
calls them.
CIA had a whole damn Bunch back

491
00:28:12,200 –> 00:28:15,800
in the day enough that their
combined annual budgets ranged

492
00:28:15,800 –> 00:28:21,600
anywhere from 30 to 35 million
dollars in 1950s money.

493
00:28:21,700 –> 00:28:23,500
The majority of the focus on the
radios.

494
00:28:23,500 –> 00:28:27,600
Here is how they eventually fell
out of use for a whole variety

495
00:28:27,600 –> 00:28:29,900
of reasons.
Not the least of which being

496
00:28:30,100 –> 00:28:33,800
that the stations and staff of
both Radio, free Europe, and

497
00:28:33,800 –> 00:28:37,800
radio Liberty eventually became
filthy with communist

498
00:28:37,900 –> 00:28:39,900
infiltrators.
Here’s hoping that doesn’t

499
00:28:39,900 –> 00:28:43,500
happen to podcasts.
One really interesting aspect of

500
00:28:43,500 –> 00:28:47,500
This Book Is What It shows
about, how the CIA spends that

501
00:28:47,500 –> 00:28:50,700
massive budget.
It has at its disposal, which is

502
00:28:50,700 –> 00:28:54,600
hilariously listed as just
fifteen billion dollars per

503
00:28:54,600 –> 00:28:56,500
year.
As of 2013.

504
00:28:56,800 –> 00:29:01,000
They probably spend that on
Burner phones alone every year,

505
00:29:01,100 –> 00:29:04,000
but hey, there are starving
intelligence agencies in this

506
00:29:04,000 –> 00:29:05,700
world.
That would love to have 15

507
00:29:05,700 –> 00:29:07,400
billion dollars to spend every
year.

508
00:29:07,400 –> 00:29:11,600
And the CIA is obviously Really
good at spreading their money

509
00:29:11,600 –> 00:29:14,800
around one of the operations
mentioned, in this book, for

510
00:29:14,800 –> 00:29:18,600
example, involves the cleverly
named Asia Foundation.

511
00:29:18,600 –> 00:29:22,800
This was a group established by
the agency in 1956 with the

512
00:29:22,800 –> 00:29:26,200
usual non-government board of
directors, set up that they use

513
00:29:26,200 –> 00:29:29,900
for the radio stations, to make
it seem like a private entity

514
00:29:29,900 –> 00:29:32,600
and the aim of the group was
just to promote academic and

515
00:29:32,600 –> 00:29:35,900
public interest in the East and
they mostly did that just

516
00:29:35,900 –> 00:29:39,100
prominent names from Asian
culture, promoting Asian

517
00:29:39,100 –> 00:29:41,600
culture.
ER, and seemingly nothing more,

518
00:29:41,600 –> 00:29:45,300
which made it all the more
impactful when every once in a

519
00:29:45,308 –> 00:29:49,900
while an article or report that
was critical of mainland, China,

520
00:29:50,000 –> 00:29:53,100
North Vietnam or North Korea
would make its way to the

521
00:29:53,100 –> 00:29:55,100
public, through the Asia
Foundation.

522
00:29:55,200 –> 00:29:56,500
The whole point of the
foundation.

523
00:29:56,500 –> 00:30:00,200
In real life was to spread
pro-american talking points and

524
00:30:00,200 –> 00:30:03,100
negative views of communist
countries in Asia, but because

525
00:30:03,100 –> 00:30:06,700
it operated with that veneer of
being a private entity, with no

526
00:30:06,700 –> 00:30:09,500
government ties, The View spread
by the Asia.

527
00:30:09,800 –> 00:30:13,600
Foundation would make their way
back to academics in the United

528
00:30:13,600 –> 00:30:17,700
States, who are then kind of
unwittingly form their views on

529
00:30:17,700 –> 00:30:22,300
China, and any communist country
in Asia based on CIA talking

530
00:30:22,300 –> 00:30:24,300
points.
That was the part the CIA cared

531
00:30:24,300 –> 00:30:27,100
about and they spent eight
million dollars.

532
00:30:27,100 –> 00:30:29,800
Annually, just on this one
effort.

533
00:30:29,800 –> 00:30:32,600
Again, that’s in 1950s and 60s
money.

534
00:30:32,900 –> 00:30:35,400
There’s a really frustrating
deletion in this section.

535
00:30:35,400 –> 00:30:39,200
Also here goes during the 1960s
the CIA.

536
00:30:39,700 –> 00:30:43,900
Opt proprietary companies of a
new type for use in propaganda

537
00:30:43,900 –> 00:30:46,600
operations.
These proprietaries are more

538
00:30:46,600 –> 00:30:50,700
Compact and more covert than
relatively unwieldy and now

539
00:30:50,700 –> 00:30:54,600
exposed fronts like the Asia
foundation and radio, free

540
00:30:54,600 –> 00:30:59,300
Europe, 27 lines, deleted not
even a hint.

541
00:30:59,300 –> 00:31:01,800
As to what those new
organizations might have been

542
00:31:02,100 –> 00:31:04,600
seeing as how this book was
published in the early 70s.

543
00:31:04,900 –> 00:31:07,600
I’m going to guess that they
were waterbed dealerships or

544
00:31:07,600 –> 00:31:11,600
disco albums or something. 80
bucks, remember books, I’m

545
00:31:11,600 –> 00:31:14,600
discussing one with you on a
podcast right now, as it turns

546
00:31:14,600 –> 00:31:18,100
out, Not only was the CIA
interested in shutting down

547
00:31:18,100 –> 00:31:21,000
books like this one.
They were equally interested and

548
00:31:21,000 –> 00:31:24,500
invested in helping publish
books that make their

549
00:31:24,500 –> 00:31:27,500
adversaries look like jerks.
That shouldn’t come as too much

550
00:31:27,500 –> 00:31:28,900
of a surprise.
Again.

551
00:31:29,100 –> 00:31:32,000
This was way back in the day
when we still valued books.

552
00:31:32,200 –> 00:31:34,400
I’m assuming this is all even
easier.

553
00:31:34,600 –> 00:31:37,300
Now that they just have to
finance Tick-Tock videos in New

554
00:31:37,300 –> 00:31:39,200
York Times, editorials and
whatnot.

555
00:31:39,200 –> 00:31:41,600
One.
A particular area of interest

556
00:31:41,600 –> 00:31:44,700
when it came to book publishing
in the Cold War, era was

557
00:31:44,700 –> 00:31:47,900
defectors.
People who fled communism for

558
00:31:47,900 –> 00:31:52,300
the healing goodness of the West
were treated like royalty back

559
00:31:52,300 –> 00:31:54,300
then.
And according to this book, the

560
00:31:54,300 –> 00:31:58,600
CIA would often play a big role
in that including encouraging

561
00:31:58,600 –> 00:32:01,900
defectors to write books,
helping them, write those books.

562
00:32:02,100 –> 00:32:04,900
And then getting those books
published or in some cases.

563
00:32:04,900 –> 00:32:07,900
They might have just low-key
written, entire books.

564
00:32:08,000 –> 00:32:09,600
That was suspected to be the
case.

565
00:32:10,200 –> 00:32:12,800
With a book called the
penkovsky’s papers was a

566
00:32:12,808 –> 00:32:17,100
best-seller when it was released
back in 1965 and it was alleged

567
00:32:17,100 –> 00:32:20,800
to have been based in large part
on the journals of Russian spy

568
00:32:20,800 –> 00:32:24,300
Oleg penkovsky.
He was a high-ranking Russian

569
00:32:24,300 –> 00:32:27,500
military official Who provided
information to the West.

570
00:32:27,500 –> 00:32:31,600
That was said to have been
instrumental in our efforts to

571
00:32:31,600 –> 00:32:36,100
not die in a nuclear apocalypse
during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

572
00:32:36,200 –> 00:32:39,300
He’s for sure, a real person who
did some real spying.

573
00:32:39,600 –> 00:32:42,900
That he got real executed by
Russia for the question, is

574
00:32:42,900 –> 00:32:46,200
whether the book is real, even
back when it came out people

575
00:32:46,200 –> 00:32:49,200
weren’t.
So sure it was for one thing,

576
00:32:49,400 –> 00:32:53,200
the authors of the CIA and the
cult of intelligence argue that

577
00:32:53,300 –> 00:32:56,700
while some of them cough, skis
information was useful in a

578
00:32:56,708 –> 00:33:00,400
limited capacity.
All of the key intelligence that

579
00:33:00,400 –> 00:33:03,200
helped defuse.
The Cuban Missile Crisis, came

580
00:33:03,200 –> 00:33:07,900
from satellite photos of Russia,
from tracking Russian ships and

581
00:33:07,900 –> 00:33:09,500
from U-2.
Spy.

582
00:33:09,800 –> 00:33:12,500
Images of Cuba.
There’s also a deletion in this

583
00:33:12,500 –> 00:33:15,900
book that seems like it might be
a reference to the pain.

584
00:33:15,900 –> 00:33:18,600
Cops keep papers.
There’s a section that starts

585
00:33:18,600 –> 00:33:23,900
with four and a half lines,
deleted followed by this spies.

586
00:33:24,000 –> 00:33:27,900
However, do not keep journals.
They simply do not take that

587
00:33:27,900 –> 00:33:31,500
kind of risk, nor do they have
time to do so while they are

588
00:33:31,500 –> 00:33:35,200
leading double lives and quote.
And again, this is a book that’s

589
00:33:35,200 –> 00:33:38,200
alleged to be based on the
journals of a spy.

590
00:33:38,200 –> 00:33:42,800
And that Echoes a Concern raised
at the time by Russia expert and

591
00:33:42,800 –> 00:33:45,900
Washington Post columnist
Victor’s Orsa, which is that

592
00:33:45,900 –> 00:33:49,700
there was absolutely no way
penkovsky had the time to

593
00:33:49,700 –> 00:33:52,700
produce a manuscript of this
nature.

594
00:33:52,800 –> 00:33:56,600
All while living the life of a
high-ranking, Russian spy, and

595
00:33:56,600 –> 00:33:59,400
those concerns were not at all
assuaged.

596
00:33:59,400 –> 00:34:02,700
By the fact that neither the
publisher Doubleday & Company,

597
00:34:02,700 –> 00:34:05,900
nor the manuscript translator
who also happened to be a former

598
00:34:05,900 –> 00:34:10,199
KGB agent who defected to work
for the CIA neither of Them were

599
00:34:10,199 –> 00:34:13,199
willing to release the original
Russian manuscript.

600
00:34:13,300 –> 00:34:15,699
So it could be inspected
independently.

601
00:34:15,699 –> 00:34:20,000
Vectors also noted that the book
made errors in style technique

602
00:34:20,100 –> 00:34:23,500
and fact that pain cough ski
would not have made.

603
00:34:23,600 –> 00:34:25,900
Here’s a quote from him.
The book could have been

604
00:34:25,900 –> 00:34:30,199
compiled only by the Central
Intelligence Agency and quote.

605
00:34:30,300 –> 00:34:32,000
And what would be the purpose of
all this?

606
00:34:32,100 –> 00:34:34,600
Well for one thing it makes
Russia look stupid in that was

607
00:34:34,600 –> 00:34:38,800
like 75% of the cia’s focus in
the 60s, but there might have

608
00:34:38,800 –> 00:34:41,300
been a Slightly more secret
motivation.

609
00:34:41,300 –> 00:34:43,400
One thing, the cult of
intelligence book.

610
00:34:43,400 –> 00:34:46,600
Mentions a whole bunch.
Is that intelligence gathering

611
00:34:46,600 –> 00:34:49,300
inside?
The Soviet Union was, at least

612
00:34:49,300 –> 00:34:52,400
at the time, a thing.
The CIA was absolutely terrible

613
00:34:52,400 –> 00:34:55,100
at so much so that they
eventually just sort of stopped

614
00:34:55,100 –> 00:34:58,800
trying for a while when Oleg
penkovsky first presented

615
00:34:58,800 –> 00:35:01,600
himself as a spy.
He did it by directly

616
00:35:01,600 –> 00:35:05,200
approaching the CIA and they
turned him away because they

617
00:35:05,200 –> 00:35:09,400
were too scarred from their past
failures at flipping in.

618
00:35:09,700 –> 00:35:13,200
Since pies that they didn’t want
to risk getting burned again.

619
00:35:13,300 –> 00:35:15,600
It wasn’t until he approached
MI6.

620
00:35:15,600 –> 00:35:18,700
That the information started
flowing from him and the

621
00:35:18,700 –> 00:35:23,300
pankowski papers rewrites, that
whole story, at least in that,

622
00:35:23,300 –> 00:35:27,800
it makes it seem like the CIA
had some success in gathering

623
00:35:27,800 –> 00:35:30,200
intelligence inside Russian
borders.

624
00:35:30,400 –> 00:35:33,000
Does that seem like a good use
of CIA budget money?

625
00:35:33,200 –> 00:35:35,700
Probably not.
But listen that 15 billion

626
00:35:35,700 –> 00:35:37,500
dollars a year and going to
spend itself.

627
00:35:37,600 –> 00:35:41,300
Okay?
So the last chapter in part 2 of

628
00:35:41,300 –> 00:35:44,400
the CIA and the cult of
intelligence chapter 7, it’s

629
00:35:44,400 –> 00:35:47,200
titled Espionage and
counterespionage.

630
00:35:47,200 –> 00:35:51,200
This chapter kicks off with a
few more pages that contrast,

631
00:35:51,200 –> 00:35:55,800
the Hollywood image of the CIA
as swashbuckling spies getting

632
00:35:55,800 –> 00:35:58,900
things done face-to-face on the
ground with the reality at the

633
00:35:58,908 –> 00:36:00,900
time.
Which was that they spent a lot

634
00:36:00,900 –> 00:36:05,000
more time looking at satellite
photos and making good guesses

635
00:36:05,000 –> 00:36:08,900
about publicly available news
than they did using their To

636
00:36:08,900 –> 00:36:11,900
defeat communism when there was
an intelligence coup to

637
00:36:11,900 –> 00:36:14,300
celebrate.
It usually happened because a

638
00:36:14,300 –> 00:36:17,400
disgruntled Russian walked in
off the street to offer up their

639
00:36:17,400 –> 00:36:20,200
services.
Like with Oleg penkovsky

640
00:36:20,200 –> 00:36:23,100
something, the agency apparently
got a lot more Espionage

641
00:36:23,100 –> 00:36:27,900
traction out of back then was
covert listening devices or bugs

642
00:36:28,000 –> 00:36:31,200
as the industry calls them.
The next part of the Espionage

643
00:36:31,200 –> 00:36:35,400
chapter is all about the
planting of bugs and it paints a

644
00:36:35,400 –> 00:36:38,500
kind of fun picture of at least
part of the CIA.

645
00:36:38,600 –> 00:36:43,100
Eia, as being a group that was
mostly dedicated not to asking

646
00:36:43,100 –> 00:36:46,400
what can we put a secret
microphone in but instead

647
00:36:46,400 –> 00:36:50,100
asking, what can’t we put a
secret microphone in?

648
00:36:50,100 –> 00:36:52,800
Because it seems like even at
that point in history when this

649
00:36:52,800 –> 00:36:57,100
book was written, the answer was
and probably still is nothing,

650
00:36:57,100 –> 00:37:01,200
they were putting microphones in
everything, even back then false

651
00:37:01,200 –> 00:37:03,500
teeth.
They had false teeth microphones

652
00:37:03,500 –> 00:37:06,500
in the 60s.
And that meant that instead of

653
00:37:06,508 –> 00:37:10,500
targeting enemy government.
Rules to flip them as spies.

654
00:37:10,500 –> 00:37:14,600
The CIA would Target, security
or maintenance staff at

655
00:37:14,600 –> 00:37:17,900
buildings, where those officials
worked, anyone who might be in a

656
00:37:17,908 –> 00:37:21,100
position to plant a listening
device somewhere.

657
00:37:21,100 –> 00:37:24,100
Once again, this was apparently
way more effective against

658
00:37:24,100 –> 00:37:26,500
countries that weren’t Russia or
China.

659
00:37:26,500 –> 00:37:31,200
Latin America, for example, was
just absolutely filthy with CIA

660
00:37:31,200 –> 00:37:33,700
listening devices, judging from
this book.

661
00:37:33,700 –> 00:37:36,000
It seems like a lot of our
motivation in fighting

662
00:37:36,000 –> 00:37:38,900
communism.
In Latin America was Just that

663
00:37:38,900 –> 00:37:42,600
it was way easier to do there.
If we can’t beat Russia, we can

664
00:37:42,600 –> 00:37:45,700
at least beat the communism out
of smaller countries with lesser

665
00:37:45,700 –> 00:37:49,600
defences and a more modern
example of when the us would

666
00:37:49,600 –> 00:37:53,100
have likely had to Target
someone with physical access to

667
00:37:53,100 –> 00:37:57,100
a building to carry off an
operation was an Obama era

668
00:37:57,100 –> 00:38:00,000
attack on Iran’s nuclear
facilities.

669
00:38:00,000 –> 00:38:04,000
There’s a fantastic documentary
about it called zero days.

670
00:38:04,100 –> 00:38:08,400
Came out in 2016 to get the
malware used in that attack.

671
00:38:08,600 –> 00:38:12,600
Into the Iranian facility.
Someone had to walk it in and

672
00:38:12,600 –> 00:38:16,300
physically install it.
Using a USB drive and now

673
00:38:16,300 –> 00:38:19,100
because someone agreed to do
that, something like a hundred

674
00:38:19,100 –> 00:38:22,700
and six percent of all the
world’s computers are infected

675
00:38:22,700 –> 00:38:25,300
with the stuxnet virus over it.
Thanks Obama.

676
00:38:25,400 –> 00:38:27,600
Watch the documentary.
You’ll understand as you’d

677
00:38:27,600 –> 00:38:30,700
probably expect the government
deletions, get pretty intense,

678
00:38:30,700 –> 00:38:34,800
the further along you go in the
Espionage and counterespionage

679
00:38:34,800 –> 00:38:37,000
section.
This includes one section with a

680
00:38:37,000 –> 00:38:40,600
whopping 87%, Deleted lines.
Fortunately.

681
00:38:40,700 –> 00:38:43,600
None of those deleted.
Lines are the ones that make up

682
00:38:43,600 –> 00:38:47,600
the story about the time.
Someone at the CIA suggested,

683
00:38:47,600 –> 00:38:52,900
the idea of an airplane that
agents could carry in a couple

684
00:38:52,900 –> 00:38:57,100
of suitcases until the need to
assemble it and fly out of the

685
00:38:57,107 –> 00:39:00,300
country arose.
Sure, lugging all that extra

686
00:39:00,300 –> 00:39:03,600
equipment around will be a
hassle but think of how grateful

687
00:39:03,600 –> 00:39:07,000
you’ll be when you have to flee,
a dangerous situation on a

688
00:39:07,000 –> 00:39:11,400
moment’s notice and It requires
is finding a safe space.

689
00:39:11,600 –> 00:39:15,000
To assemble to checked bags,
worth of airplane parts and a

690
00:39:15,008 –> 00:39:17,800
Runway from which to launch
yourself to safety.

691
00:39:17,800 –> 00:39:21,600
That is absolutely the CIA job.
I would want the most just

692
00:39:21,600 –> 00:39:24,500
sitting around thinking up wacky
stuff.

693
00:39:24,700 –> 00:39:28,400
Our spies could do if only they
were better at being spies.

694
00:39:28,500 –> 00:39:31,300
Again that 15 billion isn’t
going to spend itself.

695
00:39:31,500 –> 00:39:34,000
So there’s a whole lot more to
this book like a whole third

696
00:39:34,000 –> 00:39:37,500
section that will probably get
into on a later episode if for

697
00:39:37,500 –> 00:39:39,700
no other reason than because
Because the stuff about how the

698
00:39:39,700 –> 00:39:43,500
CIA recruited and trained agents
back, then is just full of

699
00:39:43,500 –> 00:39:46,700
Thrills and chills, but I want
to close out this discussion

700
00:39:46,800 –> 00:39:51,700
about part 2 by focusing on a
couple of interesting moments of

701
00:39:51,700 –> 00:39:54,900
foreshadowing that I found in
the CIA and the cult of

702
00:39:54,900 –> 00:39:57,700
intelligence for one thing.
There’s a whole bunch of stuff

703
00:39:57,700 –> 00:40:00,800
about the NSA and on the surface
that shouldn’t be surprising.

704
00:40:01,100 –> 00:40:05,000
The NSA and the CIA are
constantly jockeying for the

705
00:40:05,000 –> 00:40:08,100
number one spot in terms of
annual budget.

706
00:40:08,100 –> 00:40:12,800
And Pain City for evil, both the
NSA, essentially exists because

707
00:40:12,800 –> 00:40:17,300
the CIA isn’t allowed to perform
Mass surveillance on Americans.

708
00:40:17,500 –> 00:40:19,700
So instead, the NSA does it
form?

709
00:40:19,700 –> 00:40:22,200
Just as the law intended?
So, of course, they’d come up in

710
00:40:22,200 –> 00:40:25,800
this book, except for the part
where according to most official

711
00:40:25,800 –> 00:40:28,300
histories of the NSA.
We didn’t even know about the

712
00:40:28,300 –> 00:40:30,200
NSA.
When this book was published.

713
00:40:30,200 –> 00:40:33,700
Here’s the last sentence of the
opening paragraph of the nsa’s,

714
00:40:33,700 –> 00:40:37,100
Wikipedia page.
The existence of the NSA was not

715
00:40:37,100 –> 00:40:42,800
revealed until 75 and quote,
which is weird because the CIA

716
00:40:42,800 –> 00:40:46,200
and the cult of intelligence was
published in June, 1974.

717
00:40:46,200 –> 00:40:50,000
And, yes, I know Wikipedia isn’t
a reliable source.

718
00:40:50,300 –> 00:40:53,900
Encyclopedias were way more
trustworthy when they were

719
00:40:53,900 –> 00:40:57,500
written by a secret cabal of old
white men and we’re completely

720
00:40:57,500 –> 00:40:59,800
uneditable for a year or more at
a time.

721
00:41:00,000 –> 00:41:02,100
I get it.
But the source link for that

722
00:41:02,100 –> 00:41:06,500
claim is an NPR story called a
brief history of the NSA and you

723
00:41:06,508 –> 00:41:09,800
know, how us lives trust NPR.
They are technically correct

724
00:41:09,800 –> 00:41:13,400
though, even if the existence of
the NSA was revealed in this

725
00:41:13,400 –> 00:41:17,300
book first, its existence didn’t
become widely known until the

726
00:41:17,300 –> 00:41:20,600
church committee hearings kicked
off in 1975.

727
00:41:20,600 –> 00:41:24,200
This despite the fact that the
NSA was established way back in

728
00:41:24,200 –> 00:41:28,000
1952 by Harry Truman, the same
president who established the

729
00:41:28,000 –> 00:41:31,400
CIA five years earlier and
dropped two nuclear weapons on

730
00:41:31,400 –> 00:41:34,300
the nation of Japan for
questionable reasons, two years

731
00:41:34,300 –> 00:41:35,700
before that.
I’m going to be honest.

732
00:41:35,700 –> 00:41:38,200
I think Truman might have been a
bad president who made bad

733
00:41:38,200 –> 00:41:39,900
decisions.
Asians starting to think there

734
00:41:39,900 –> 00:41:43,200
have been a bunch of those over
the years honestly, and to give

735
00:41:43,200 –> 00:41:46,200
you an idea of just how
secretive, the existence and

736
00:41:46,200 –> 00:41:51,000
function of the NSA, truly was
at this time when this book came

737
00:41:51,000 –> 00:41:54,500
out, check out this quote from
senator Frank Church, the head

738
00:41:54,500 –> 00:41:57,700
of the church committee, which
again is the committee that

739
00:41:57,700 –> 00:42:00,500
officially expose the NSA, to
the public.

740
00:42:00,600 –> 00:42:04,300
I apologize.
This quote is kind of long but

741
00:42:04,300 –> 00:42:07,500
at least take solace in the fact
that it’s also horrifying here

742
00:42:07,500 –> 00:42:10,400
goes.
Senator Frank Church, head of

743
00:42:10,400 –> 00:42:13,200
the church committee.
Speaking about the NSA, in the

744
00:42:13,200 –> 00:42:16,800
need to develop a capacity, to
know what potential enemies are

745
00:42:16,800 –> 00:42:18,300
doing.
The United States.

746
00:42:18,300 –> 00:42:22,100
Government has perfected a
technological capability, that

747
00:42:22,100 –> 00:42:25,300
enables us to monitor the
messages that go through the

748
00:42:25,300 –> 00:42:27,500
air.
Now, that is necessary and

749
00:42:27,500 –> 00:42:31,500
important to the United States,
as we look abroad at enemies or

750
00:42:31,500 –> 00:42:34,600
potential enemies.
We must know, at the same time

751
00:42:34,600 –> 00:42:38,300
that capability, at any time
could be turned around.

752
00:42:38,500 –> 00:42:42,200
On the American people.
And no American would have any

753
00:42:42,200 –> 00:42:47,000
privacy left such as the
capability to monitor everything

754
00:42:47,000 –> 00:42:49,500
telephone conversations,
telegrams.

755
00:42:49,600 –> 00:42:53,200
It doesn’t matter.
There would be no place to hide.

756
00:42:53,200 –> 00:42:57,400
If this government ever became a
tyranny, if a dictator ever took

757
00:42:57,400 –> 00:43:01,500
charge in this country, the
technological capacity that the

758
00:43:01,500 –> 00:43:04,800
intelligence Community has given
the government could enable it

759
00:43:04,800 –> 00:43:08,300
to impose total tyranny, and
there would be no.

760
00:43:08,500 –> 00:43:12,900
Way to fight back because the
most careful effort to combine

761
00:43:12,900 –> 00:43:15,300
together in resistance to the
government.

762
00:43:15,400 –> 00:43:19,800
No matter how privately it was
done is within the reach of the

763
00:43:19,800 –> 00:43:22,600
government to no.
Such as the capability of this

764
00:43:22,600 –> 00:43:25,500
technology.
I don’t want to see this country

765
00:43:25,500 –> 00:43:29,400
ever go across this bridge.
I know the capacity that is

766
00:43:29,400 –> 00:43:34,700
there to make tyranny total in
America and we must see to it

767
00:43:34,700 –> 00:43:38,300
that this agency and all
agencies that possess this.

768
00:43:38,400 –> 00:43:42,500
Us technology, operate within
the law, and under proper

769
00:43:42,500 –> 00:43:46,600
supervision so that we never
cross over that Abyss.

770
00:43:46,700 –> 00:43:49,900
That is the abyss from which
there is no return.

771
00:43:50,100 –> 00:43:54,000
That is Frank Church during an
appearance on NBC’s Meet the

772
00:43:54,000 –> 00:43:59,900
Press in August 1975 and it is
pretty yikes.

773
00:44:00,000 –> 00:44:03,000
Especially when you take into
account that the biggest

774
00:44:03,000 –> 00:44:07,500
Revelation from the Edward
Snowden leaks in 2013 was a

775
00:44:07,500 –> 00:44:09,400
whole host of services.
Silence programs.

776
00:44:09,400 –> 00:44:11,700
The NSA was running on
Americans.

777
00:44:11,800 –> 00:44:16,800
So clearly, we did not rain in
that capacity for tyranny as

778
00:44:16,800 –> 00:44:21,400
Senator Church suggested also.
Did you notice what Frank Church

779
00:44:21,400 –> 00:44:24,300
did not do in that long warning.
Here.

780
00:44:24,300 –> 00:44:26,100
I’ll read it again in case you
missed, it.

781
00:44:26,100 –> 00:44:28,300
Just joking that quote was way
too long.

782
00:44:28,400 –> 00:44:32,700
So I’ll just tell you what he
never does, is mention the NSA

783
00:44:32,700 –> 00:44:35,900
by name.
He just says we have the ability

784
00:44:35,900 –> 00:44:40,100
to do what we now know.
No, the NSA does.

785
00:44:40,400 –> 00:44:44,600
So again the fact that the NSA
comes up extensively in a book,

786
00:44:44,600 –> 00:44:49,300
published a full year before.
Frank church built up the nerve

787
00:44:49,300 –> 00:44:51,900
to say what he said on
television is kind of

788
00:44:51,900 –> 00:44:54,000
surprising.
But I also think I can explain

789
00:44:54,000 –> 00:44:57,300
it when the author’s brought up
book, publishing as a propaganda

790
00:44:57,300 –> 00:44:59,700
tool.
They mentioned that quite often

791
00:44:59,800 –> 00:45:04,100
one of the main or only points
of publishing said book would be

792
00:45:04,100 –> 00:45:07,300
to embarrass the enemy.
And while I do think this book

793
00:45:07,300 –> 00:45:10,300
is mostly objective.
And definitely delivers a whole

794
00:45:10,300 –> 00:45:14,300
bunch of interesting information
and insight into the early years

795
00:45:14,300 –> 00:45:17,400
of the CIA.
The authors also clearly have a

796
00:45:17,400 –> 00:45:20,900
little bit of a bone to pick
with the CIA and the

797
00:45:20,900 –> 00:45:22,800
intelligence community in
general.

798
00:45:22,800 –> 00:45:25,300
I mentioned earlier in this
episode that a whole lot of

799
00:45:25,300 –> 00:45:29,300
attention is paid to how
ineffective the CIA was when it

800
00:45:29,300 –> 00:45:33,100
came to Gathering intelligence
using spies inside the borders

801
00:45:33,100 –> 00:45:36,200
of hostile Nations.
And that all the real useful

802
00:45:36,200 –> 00:45:40,500
intelligence comes from the It’s
examining collected intelligence

803
00:45:40,500 –> 00:45:42,800
in all its forms.
With that in mind.

804
00:45:43,000 –> 00:45:45,500
It’s worth reminding listeners
that Victor marchetti.

805
00:45:45,500 –> 00:45:48,900
The main author of this book was
a CIA analyst.

806
00:45:49,100 –> 00:45:52,100
He wasn’t one of those, inept,
James Bond.

807
00:45:52,100 –> 00:45:55,000
Want to be war machines out in
the streets.

808
00:45:55,000 –> 00:45:57,700
Shooting people dead with
cufflink guns for shits and

809
00:45:57,700 –> 00:46:00,700
giggles.
He did the real work and I’m not

810
00:46:00,700 –> 00:46:04,300
in any position to judge whether
he’s correct in that assessment

811
00:46:04,300 –> 00:46:07,300
of the cia’s.
Seeming inability to spy in

812
00:46:07,300 –> 00:46:09,500
person.
I’m just He repeatedly gives the

813
00:46:09,500 –> 00:46:14,300
impression that the CIA was
mostly inept and inferior at

814
00:46:14,300 –> 00:46:17,400
that type of spying compared to
Russia or China.

815
00:46:17,600 –> 00:46:20,600
Same thing with the NSA.
There’s lots and lots of details

816
00:46:20,800 –> 00:46:24,100
about what they were capable of,
but it’s all presented as if

817
00:46:24,100 –> 00:46:26,600
they still didn’t really know
what to do.

818
00:46:26,900 –> 00:46:28,800
With all of the information.
They were gathering.

819
00:46:28,800 –> 00:46:31,400
He credits.
Most of the nsa’s successes to

820
00:46:31,400 –> 00:46:35,200
what are referred to as breaks,
which yes, exactly what it

821
00:46:35,200 –> 00:46:37,600
sounds like.
Usually has the word Lucky in

822
00:46:37,600 –> 00:46:39,900
front of it.
Brakes, essentially means the

823
00:46:39,900 –> 00:46:43,200
enemy lets their guard down.
Just a little while you happen

824
00:46:43,200 –> 00:46:46,400
to be watching and are able to
exploit the opportunity.

825
00:46:46,400 –> 00:46:49,500
One example, they use in the
book, is a Russian agent, who

826
00:46:49,500 –> 00:46:54,000
sent a message to a KGB office,
but forgot to encrypt it then

827
00:46:54,000 –> 00:46:56,900
realizing what he done.
He sent the message again, but

828
00:46:56,900 –> 00:47:00,900
this time he encrypted it and
naturally the NSA intercepted

829
00:47:00,900 –> 00:47:05,300
both of these messages meaning
they now had the cipher used to

830
00:47:05,300 –> 00:47:08,300
encrypt messages and they had an
unencrypted.

831
00:47:08,400 –> 00:47:12,500
It to compare that Cipher to.
And from that point, anyone with

832
00:47:12,500 –> 00:47:16,800
know how to operate a decoder
ring, can crack any messages

833
00:47:16,800 –> 00:47:18,900
sent with that Cipher in the
future.

834
00:47:18,900 –> 00:47:22,600
Also intelligence agencies tend
to save encrypted messages for

835
00:47:22,600 –> 00:47:25,400
the inevitable day when they’re
able to crack them in the

836
00:47:25,400 –> 00:47:27,100
future.
So this break would have

837
00:47:27,100 –> 00:47:30,200
compromised, a whole bunch of
messages sent previously as

838
00:47:30,200 –> 00:47:32,200
well.
And the authors of this book,

839
00:47:32,200 –> 00:47:35,900
mostly paint the NSA as an
organization, that succeeds in

840
00:47:35,900 –> 00:47:38,200
that way, not because they’re
good at what they do.

841
00:47:38,400 –> 00:47:42,800
Do but because the enemy is bad
at what they do sometimes and I

842
00:47:42,800 –> 00:47:46,300
think that’s why the government
let all of the NSA info pass in

843
00:47:46,300 –> 00:47:49,100
this book for being a section.
That is about things that

844
00:47:49,100 –> 00:47:52,100
wouldn’t become public knowledge
for at least another year.

845
00:47:52,200 –> 00:47:55,300
The NS a section of the book is
shockingly, light on

846
00:47:55,300 –> 00:47:59,600
government-mandated redactions.
I can’t prove it obviously, but

847
00:47:59,600 –> 00:48:03,100
my gut tells me that’s because
they knew those Church committee

848
00:48:03,100 –> 00:48:07,500
investigations were coming down
the pike and thus had no problem

849
00:48:07,800 –> 00:48:12,900
with an Of the NSA, as a bunch
of ineffective busybodies who

850
00:48:12,900 –> 00:48:17,000
survived mostly on luck, making
its way to the public first, at

851
00:48:17,000 –> 00:48:18,400
least.
I hope that’s what happened,

852
00:48:18,400 –> 00:48:22,200
because there is the other even
less Savory possibility that

853
00:48:22,200 –> 00:48:26,700
this book was all just one, big
gray propaganda campaign in and

854
00:48:26,700 –> 00:48:30,600
of itself just like all the
others, this book describes with

855
00:48:30,600 –> 00:48:33,100
Watergate.
Having already happened in more

856
00:48:33,100 –> 00:48:36,400
large-scale investigations
guaranteed to be coming in the

857
00:48:36,400 –> 00:48:38,200
future.
It is entirely possible.

858
00:48:38,300 –> 00:48:41,500
Double that those moments where
the book makes the CIA and the

859
00:48:41,500 –> 00:48:45,500
NSA seem less scary and
effective than we think they

860
00:48:45,500 –> 00:48:47,500
are.
That could be the entire point

861
00:48:47,500 –> 00:48:50,100
of this book.
Just a little watering down of

862
00:48:50,100 –> 00:48:54,500
story before the true Horrors
were revealed in a way that the

863
00:48:54,500 –> 00:48:57,200
general public would be less
willing to consume in its

864
00:48:57,200 –> 00:48:59,500
entirety.
This is one book and it sold

865
00:48:59,500 –> 00:49:01,600
really well.
The final Church committee

866
00:49:01,600 –> 00:49:04,800
report was six books and they
were all long as shit.

867
00:49:04,800 –> 00:49:06,800
Which one would you be more
likely to read?

868
00:49:06,800 –> 00:49:08,900
Which one am I reading it?
Exactly.

869
00:49:08,900 –> 00:49:11,900
And I get paid to do this.
So, yeah, definitely possible

870
00:49:11,900 –> 00:49:15,600
that this entire book as weird
as it might sound, was just a

871
00:49:15,600 –> 00:49:19,300
ploy to make the American
intelligence apparatus seem less

872
00:49:19,300 –> 00:49:23,000
scary than it really was.
However, there is one other bit

873
00:49:23,000 –> 00:49:25,300
that gives me hope that I’m
wrong about that.

874
00:49:25,400 –> 00:49:29,600
In this final chapter of part to
a whole lot of space is given to

875
00:49:29,600 –> 00:49:33,800
the cia’s various dealings with
colleges and universities across

876
00:49:33,800 –> 00:49:35,900
the country.
At the time, it mentions the

877
00:49:35,900 –> 00:49:38,200
agency’s connections to American
college campus.

878
00:49:38,300 –> 00:49:42,200
Asses with so vast and
compartmentalised that even then

879
00:49:42,200 –> 00:49:46,700
director, Richard Helms wasn’t
quite sure who was doing what or

880
00:49:46,700 –> 00:49:49,500
who they were doing it for or
who was even tracking it.

881
00:49:49,600 –> 00:49:52,500
They also go into detail about
some of the things that they

882
00:49:52,500 –> 00:49:56,200
knew the CIA was using college
campuses for which mostly

883
00:49:56,200 –> 00:50:00,700
amounted to stuff like launching
propaganda campaigns against

884
00:50:00,700 –> 00:50:03,900
foreign countries from the
campus of the University of

885
00:50:03,900 –> 00:50:06,300
Michigan for some reason, stuff
like that.

886
00:50:06,300 –> 00:50:09,600
You know, what’s not mentioned
the part where the CIA conducted

887
00:50:09,600 –> 00:50:14,200
decades and decades worth of
psychological experiments on

888
00:50:14,200 –> 00:50:17,600
unwitting American citizens.
That’s called MK Ultra folks.

889
00:50:17,900 –> 00:50:21,600
And despite also being about a
year away from becoming public

890
00:50:21,600 –> 00:50:27,200
knowledge, that most massive of
CIA programs is never named or

891
00:50:27,200 –> 00:50:31,400
discussed in this book, but
there is one paragraph.

892
00:50:31,500 –> 00:50:33,900
It comes.
After a couple of pages about a

893
00:50:33,900 –> 00:50:38,100
1967 study about CIA activities
on.

894
00:50:38,300 –> 00:50:40,600
College campuses.
Here’s what that paragraph says.

895
00:50:40,600 –> 00:50:42,900
And it’s worth noting.
This is in bold print.

896
00:50:42,900 –> 00:50:46,400
In the book here, goes, the 1967
study.

897
00:50:46,400 –> 00:50:50,000
On the CIA is ties with American
universities covered all the

898
00:50:50,000 –> 00:50:53,600
activities described above but
the staff officer responsible

899
00:50:53,600 –> 00:50:56,800
for preparing.
It was told that no research

900
00:50:56,800 –> 00:51:01,500
program concerning the use of
drugs was to be mentioned in the

901
00:51:01,500 –> 00:51:04,300
report and quote.
It was two sentences alone

902
00:51:04,300 –> 00:51:06,900
restored.
My faith in this book as not

903
00:51:06,900 –> 00:51:09,200
being a government.
Again, to effort.

904
00:51:09,200 –> 00:51:11,900
And I imagine those two
sentences had to be extra

905
00:51:11,900 –> 00:51:15,700
frustrating for the government’s
efforts to censor this book

906
00:51:15,700 –> 00:51:19,400
because on their own, and in the
context of this book, those two

907
00:51:19,400 –> 00:51:23,200
sentences don’t amount to a
disclosure of information that

908
00:51:23,200 –> 00:51:25,100
would threaten National
Security.

909
00:51:25,200 –> 00:51:28,700
They almost read like throwaway
lines, but given what we would

910
00:51:28,700 –> 00:51:31,900
go on to learn about MKUltra
very shortly.

911
00:51:31,900 –> 00:51:34,900
After this book was published
those two sentences amount to

912
00:51:34,900 –> 00:51:38,100
what has to be one of the most
jaw-dropping examples of

913
00:51:38,300 –> 00:51:41,800
Foreshadowing ever in a book
about the American government.

914
00:51:41,800 –> 00:51:44,400
I don’t know if the author’s
knew what they were saying, but

915
00:51:44,400 –> 00:51:46,800
they were definitely saying
something with those two

916
00:51:46,800 –> 00:51:49,300
sentences.
And with that we have reached

917
00:51:49,300 –> 00:51:54,100
the end of part, two of the CIA
and the cult of intelligence the

918
00:51:54,100 –> 00:51:57,700
first book, the United States
government, ever tried to censor

919
00:51:57,700 –> 00:52:02,000
on National Security grounds.
As I mentioned shortly ago.

920
00:52:02,000 –> 00:52:05,900
I’ll probably do a third episode
about this book at some point.

921
00:52:05,900 –> 00:52:08,200
Part 3 does have some
interesting details.

922
00:52:08,300 –> 00:52:12,000
Tales about how the CIA
recruited and trained their

923
00:52:12,000 –> 00:52:15,700
agents, and the things the
government did to try and

924
00:52:15,700 –> 00:52:19,900
control the CIA after it was
founded and how poorly that all

925
00:52:19,900 –> 00:52:22,100
failed.
So, we’ll get into that on a

926
00:52:22,107 –> 00:52:24,500
future episode.
In the meantime.

927
00:52:24,800 –> 00:52:27,100
Do we have anything to plug
before we get out of here?

928
00:52:27,300 –> 00:52:28,600
No.
No, we don’t.

929
00:52:28,700 –> 00:52:31,100
This is a solo episode.
I usually don’t plug stuff on

930
00:52:31,100 –> 00:52:34,600
solo episodes.
I will say thank you so much for

931
00:52:34,600 –> 00:52:37,500
listening.
I very much appreciate it if you

932
00:52:37,500 –> 00:52:40,300
want to read.
Up more about this book or any

933
00:52:40,300 –> 00:52:43,500
of the things we mentioned in
this episode about the book.

934
00:52:43,500 –> 00:52:45,300
Just click on that show notes,
link.

935
00:52:45,300 –> 00:52:47,300
You can read it all there.
And all right.

936
00:52:47,300 –> 00:52:49,700
Let’s get out of here.
Adam, say goodbye.

937
00:52:49,700 –> 00:52:50,500
Goodbye.
Everybody.

938
00:52:50,500 –> 00:52:51,300
We love you.