Conspiracy! The Show 157: The Roswell Incident

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I went through the transparent
this world.

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Hey, everybody, Welcome to
conspiracy the show.

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I’m Adam.
Todd Brown joining me as co-host

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today.
Who are you?

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I’m Olivia hide, our hello, oh
my God.

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Olivia, how’s it going?
Hi, it’s going great.

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My internet is out today, so
that’s not good.

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That’s, it’s probably just a
government thing.

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Yeah, I would admit I assume it.
Related to the weird voices that

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I heard.
The last time I recorded a

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conspiracy show, right?
Right.

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I assume that there’s like a
government truck pulling up

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right now.
In fact, I’m going to look looks

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like yeah I see a it looks like
it’s a American lawn scaping, I

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don’t know, I don’t know what
this is.

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Yeah that sounds FBI related or
whatever that new secret

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services that the Pentagon has
been building over the past few

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years which you know it’s about
time because I finally We it has

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been way too long since we have
created another useless arm of

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our intelligence operations.
Yeah, I mean we for the longest

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time we had the 16 of them and I
was like when are we going to

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have a 17th and come on?
You’ve been 17.

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Yeah and even 17 It might seem
like we’re talking about

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surveillance and intelligence
today, but we’re not.

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No, we’re talking about.
This is a bonus episode, but I

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feel like it’s going to be a
bonus episode for about a week

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because we can’t do a Roswell
episode and just keep it private

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like they kept the Roswell
incident.

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I was on the wrong.
Soundboard.

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God damn it.
I wanted the are wonder what

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that was.
I tried to do an air horn

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because we brought that back on
on pops this week but I fucked

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it up classic Yak it up.
Well it sounded like it was like

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a crowd cheering so that was
which is also quirks.

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Yeah that’s good.
Yeah we’re talking about Roswell

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I can’t believe we haven’t done
a Roswell episode yet.

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This is the first like the
first-ever Roswell episode.

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I feel like we did a kind of a
compilation episode where we

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talked about a bunch of
different UFO.

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Sightings.
Yeah.

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We will we definitely have
talked about Roswell like I’m

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passing on the right shows.
But wow, does I feel honored

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than to be on this is a historic
episode, right?

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Yeah I don’t I’ve always kind of
felt like there’s almost not

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enough information about Roswell
but yeah a lot of it comes.

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Well, a lot of what we’re
talking about today.

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Just comes from the different
accounts of Roswell that have

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come up throughout the years.
But what’s Basic familiarity

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level with the Roswell incident.
I would say like pretty

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familiar, like, I would say more
familiar than average.

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I would guess.
Like, it’s something I, you

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know, have been a fan of UFOs
and that sort of thing since I

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was a little kid.
And, and like, Roswell is like

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such a huge part of that,
especially like for things that

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a young person, might read it a
library, or Ever loved that.

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But yeah but you know like I
will say this is the first time

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that I have we’re talking about
a place and a conspiracy show

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that I have been to.
So saying my biggest, yeah

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that’s II.
Luckily did not go to Colonial

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libertad or Unit 731.
Okay.

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You’ve never been a Jonestown.
Come on.

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No, I never been to Joe.
Jonestown, I think I hear it’s

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beautiful.
This time of year have a quaint

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little Museum and a Buffalo Wild
Wings.

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Just like Roswell would be
amazing.

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I really wish that, that was
true.

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Yeah.
Like a, like a picturing, like a

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plan that Hollywood time,
Buffalo Wild Wings were like,

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you can sit next to like the
loudspeaker that Jones would

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use.
Yeah, they are Jim Jones outfit

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in a Ask case.
Oh god oh no.

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But yeah.
Like I when I was this is like

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this is 20-some.
You like it.

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When I was 10 years old I went
with my family.

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I went on the trip out west and
I coerce them into taking me

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through what Roswell, which I
love that the time and looking

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back realize.
Oh yeah, there’s literally, this

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is no.
There’s just a down.

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This is just like a normal Town.
Yeah, I went there.

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I know we just talked about this
on a recent episode So do I

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think?
But yeah, I went there on the

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Portugal, the Man tour where I
opened for them.

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They had a day off and I found
out they were going to Roswell

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and I was like, well, I am
sleeping in the back of your

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tour bus and going to Roswell
with you.

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And yeah, there’s there’s
nothing there and even the me

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even the UFO Museum.
Closes at 5 p.m. yes, yeah, it

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is cool though.
Yeah I liked it a lot.

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That’s the cool thing like it’s
worth.

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Going through just to like jog
through the UFO museum for like

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an hour or two and then be on
your way.

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Yeah, it’s really quick.
Yeah they have a great gift

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shop.
I bought two T-shirts, one of

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them had lettering that glowed
in the dark.

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I wore that on stage for the
rest of the tour but you got

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this, we got this incredible.
These reams of fabric really?

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Yeah, like that.
We that were then incorporated

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into like bags and things among
my mom and my grandma and me for

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like years later.
But, it was like, black cloth

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with, like, silver printing of,
like aliens and New Mexico with

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the Roswell star on it, and like
that sort of, you know, it’s

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just like kitschy little fabric.
It’s a very kitschy little town

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kind of.
Now I always kind of forget

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Roswell has even in New Mexico
because I’ve spent So much time

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in New Mexico, but I was in
Albuquerque, which feels like it

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is.
Another planet away from

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Roswell.
They are very different places.

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I mean, yeah.
It’s not a major city.

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And like, it just is simply a
town within New Mexico and they

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really don’t have any bars which
blows my mind.

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Yeah, no Buffalo Wild Wings in.
That’s it.

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I mean, but can you imagine what
a nightmare would be like,

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especially in the like 80s and
90s when UFO fever is like at

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its peak like all the drunk UFO
heads like oh yeah.

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Wandering around the desert.
Yeah, that’s probably why they

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don’t have a bar.
Yeah I Roswell reminds me of

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another place I want to visit
which is Point Pleasant West

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Virginia.
Yes me too.

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Yeah.
Oh man.

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Oh man.
Yes because hey, I understand

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treating Roswell like this
joyous thing that happened in

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your town.
Because even if there’s a

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government cover-up involved, no
one died at least not until

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someone probably tried to talk
20 years later.

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Yeah, but Point Pleasant treats,
the mat Man incident.

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Exactly.
The way Roswell treats, the

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Roswell incident, dozens and
dozens and dozens of town people

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died in the Mothman incident and
they’re like man, it was a huge

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tragedy.
That’s the whole point of the

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Mothman book.
Look story.

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Like that’s the whole point is
that there is this massive

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tragedy that this creature like,
like for told ya, it’s a

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harbinger of Doom, by the way, I
just re-watched, the Mothman

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Prophecies for the first time in
a while that movie fucking

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rules.
It’s is extremely weird.

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What a bizarre film to have been
released.

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It is.
It’s a bit of a fever dream.

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Yes.
But absolutely.

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Oh, it’s so good.
I also re-watched it very Lee as

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a run, I’ve been doing a run of
these kind of like forgotten

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like Eerie films, you know?
And I also, but like it’s

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especially a bizarre film.
When you compare it to the book,

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The Mothman Prophecies, which is
so vastly different than the

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film.
Yeah.

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Like the book is this like
in-depth report about like the

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Men in Black and all, you know,
all sorts of ufologists uh

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Stuff.
Like it’s a, it’s written by

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this guy who’s like this total
cryptozoology.

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Yes.
A, he’s a character in the

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movie.
Yes.

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Yeah.
He’s one like people that

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Richard Gere goes and visits but
that character is named after

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him.
I was gonna say, like, Richard

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Gere is Nick, I thought he was
the one who is named after the

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guy in the book.
Now, Ben, it’s, I accept

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misremembered paranormal
researcher, he goes to visit, we

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should do a Mothman episode at
side down.

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Yeah, absolutely.
That we Easy shit.

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We did a Mothman episode on
pretty scary, which is like a

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true crime paranormal podcast
that we do.

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That’s kind of like a Companion
podcast to this and it’s one of

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the funniest episodes we’ve ever
done.

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Yeah.
Because the, like the

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description of the Mothman
people are like, oh it’s got red

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eyes, but are an unremarkable
head that keeps coming up.

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He has an unremarkable head.
I just picture the Mothman

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having really hurt feelings.
Reading that Really unremarkable

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aside from the giant blazing red
eyes.

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Yeah.
And he’s a clumsy Runner, which

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you can fly.
He doesn’t have to run.

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Well, I’ve never thought about
picturing the boss man running

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before.
It’s never entered.

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My mind.
Can pump in his wings, running

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down the street.
Oh, wait, I can use these to fly

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God damn it.
I would be totally down to do a

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mafia and episode because I have
been looking for an excuse to

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reread that book.
So I would totally I’d be all

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for it but until then let’s talk
about the Mothman of Roswell

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which is Roswell.
Yeah, the Mothman of the

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Southwest.
This is the UFO sighting.

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That started it all.
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Way back in June or July of
1947.

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It seems like no one is really
even sure exactly when this

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incident happened but the
foreman of foster Ranch near

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Roswell Army.
Airfield William Mac Brazil

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found debris, clustered around
the property and initial press

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releases stated.
This was found in early July

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later when stated June.
So, yeah, who knows?

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I kind of maintain that dates
are probably the least important

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detail of historical stories.
Well, especially the like once

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you start getting back past like
the 60s, it just ever It all

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becomes super squishy unless
like literal military.

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Timekeeping is involved.
Yeah, and no one’s going to jump

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in and be Logan.
No, it was a Tuesday, not a

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Wednesday.
Fucking care.

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Shut up, right.
So, Brazil, reported, thus

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finding to Roswell.
Sheriff George Wilcox, who I bet

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just had a rip-roarin busy job
back then.

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Yeah, I’m sure.
Like if you were the sheriff of

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Roswell now you’re probably
bored to death.

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Well, I mean not now that meth
is a thing probably has.

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Do you think where I was?
Well, has its own Sheriff.

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Now, I don’t know what if it has
an alien Sheriff.

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I mean, hey, if you believe the
Roswell TV show, I would assume

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that that comes up and that
maybe there is a alien Sheriff

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involved.
Yeah, we I feel like I need to

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watch Roswell after really
digging into this, but I won’t

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but no, like it kind of sounds
like the Americans, but I know

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it’s not nothing is the
American.

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See, Americans is the Perfect
television show that would be

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the worst expectations to have
going into a CW teen show, which

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does be unbearable.
Nothing could stand up to that.

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So these aliens are going to
fuck for details, right?

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We’re gonna be fucking for
information.

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There’s gonna be some really
in-depth Intrigue and Espionage

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going on with these aliens,
right?

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Yeah, no, it’s now like that
just teen drama.

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Just think, you know, like what
if you know, O’Brien has a crush

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on Becky, but Becky has a crush
on Danny or I don’t know.

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Like I’m making that could be a
real plot point, I who knows?

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It probably is no one knows so
this board, Sheriff George

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Wilcox.
He reports what Mac Brazil told

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him to the Roswell Army Airfield
RAF as we will call them from

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now.
On intelligence officer major

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Jesse Marcel who was a very
important figure in the Story

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Marcel organized, an inspection
of the debris to be held the

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following day.
So the following day, July 7

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1947, the RAF detail inspected,
the debris at the Foster Ranch

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and transported.
It back to RAF, whether they

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took all of it or just some of
it is unknown.

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I feel like they would have
taken all of it probably or at

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least all that.
They could like find the next

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day.
July 8th.

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Well, Army Airfield reported
recovering, a quote flying disc

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and quote, from a nearby Ranch
in a press release.

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This is a quote from researcher
Kendrick Frazier, the idea of

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alien spacecraft hadn’t gained
hold yet at best, the concern

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was that if they were physical
craft at all, they might be

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Soviet or even hold over.
Nazi aircraft.

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That’s a pretty common theory or
yeah.

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I think just theory is that what
we were seeing?

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This time might have been Nazi
or Russian stuff, right?

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Which that is how Foo Fighters
got their name, of course.

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Yeah, Foo Fighters were these
phenomena that American or Ally

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pilots flying over Germany,
reported seeing, which were

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these weird balls of light that
would just come and kind of

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hover around their planes and
play monkey wrench.

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And yeah.
And we know the aliens,

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collaborated with the Nazis like
That’s just in history, of

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course.
Yeah.

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That’s why all the Nazis are on
the moon, right?

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Well or Antarctica, which is
like the moon of Earth.

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Yeah, that’s yeah, exactly.
That is Earth’s Moon except for

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Earth’s Moon, the ocean is
Earth’s outer space and then

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there’s actual moons and outer
space above us, then.

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That’s real.
Yeah, we shouldn’t go to any of

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it.
So yeah, that we’re kind of in

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the midst of doing a bunch of
episodes about the CIA UFO.

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Else.
Also, you haven’t done any of

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those episodes yet, right?
I did, I think I believe I did

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the well, the last episode that
I did was about UFOs.

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So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We’re kind of digging through

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those files.
And this is a thing that comes

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up.
Very early in those CIA, UFO

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files is what if this is Russia
collaborating with the Nazis?

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Yeah, I mean that’s a very
logical assumption to make.

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If you’re interested in the Cold
War, Or you know.

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Yeah.
But also if you’re looking to

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blame Russia for something
you’re doing it’s also that.

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Yeah, I don’t know, I tend to
lean more toward we may be

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planted the stories about Russia
building UFOs but who knows?

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Yeah.
So Colonel William H Blanchard,

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it was a commanding officer of
the Air Force operations.

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Group 509th.
Ever been to the 509th, Air

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Force group?
Yes, no.

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No, I have not.
No, he contacted General Roger.

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Am Raimi of the 8th Air Force in
Fort Worth, Texas.

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I have been to the 8th Air
Force.

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Everyone’s been to the.
Yeah, I know.

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I know it’s mean it’s so hot.
It’s like once you start

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visiting them, it’s the eighth
one.

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So, of course, you’re at least
going to get that far 509th.

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That’s a stretch and then you’re
in Fort Worth.

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You can visit the, you know, the
Twin Cities.

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It’s like, it’s nothing good
barbecue.

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I’ve Oh yeah, absolutely.
So Ray me ordered the debris to

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be transported to Fort Worth
Army, Airfield Raimi assess it

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as a weather balloon, and this
was confirmed by warrant officer

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Irving Newman.
And little did he know that?

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You know, that’s playing the
hits but he’s making the hits.

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That’s, that’s the first time
that it is being played.

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Yeah.
That’s that’s a Pioneer right

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there.
Exactly.

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Weather balloon.
Who were the come up with that

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Pioneer of the weather balloon.
Which there is also in those CIA

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files.
A really detailed breakdown of

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What kinds of weather balloons.
We were using at the time and

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some of them do sound like a lot
of the UFO.

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Sightings people see totally
because there’s one that as it

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descends, into the sky, it gets
bigger and bigger, and the gases

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inside it.
Start changing colors.

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Whoa.
And that’s one of the UFO.

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Sightings you see a lot is well
it was this ball.

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All that just kept getting
bigger and bigger and it was

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glowing like the moon.
It’s like, yeah, that was

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actually a, whether that would
actually was.

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That sounds dope though.
I would like to see that

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honestly.
Oh yeah, they need to release

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video of weather balloons.
I feel like that would that

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would cut about 50% of the UFO
sightings, but that’s the

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problem.
They’re like, well, it’s a

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weather balloon.
I’ve never seen a weather

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balloon know like you can’t I’ve
never looked up and been like

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oh, check out that bitch and
weather balloon up.

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I’ve seen Elon Musk long, more
Rockets over Los Angeles, that

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I’ve seen weather balloons ever
looked up in the sky.

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When that was happening.
I know I’ve seen some sort of

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Elon Musk bullshit, I don’t know
exactly.

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I don’t think I saw a launch,
though.

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I remember there was what I
don’t think it was an Elon Musk

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thing and there was this thing
flying through the sky and

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people are like what the fuck’s
that and the next day, some

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agency came It was like oh it’s
just a missile test.

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Oh, a missile test over Ela at
school.

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Yeah, I feel so much better now.
Chill, very chill, super

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straight.
So, yeah, I’ve never known what

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to think about the weather
balloon explanation here.

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Yeah, but we’ll get to it.
So, it was specifically

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identified as a weather balloon
and it’s kite, which is a radar

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reflector for tracking the
balloon from the ground.

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Yeah, which makes sense,
especially in the 40s, like, you

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know, radar Wasn’t exactly like
new.

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I mean it was very new
technology so it wasn’t like

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super accurate.
You would need something to like

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hook the signal you know.
Right this is a quote from a

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Telex that was sent from RAF to
the FBI at the time.

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The disk is hexagonal in shape
and was suspended from a balloon

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by cable which balloon I’m
reading this verbatim so excuse

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my broken English which oh
sorry.

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Which ballon was approximately
20 feet in diameter major

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curtain further.
Advises advices that the object

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found resembles a high-altitude
weather, balloon with a radar

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reflector but that telephonic
conversation between their

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office and right field had not
borne out this belief mmm-hmm.

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So even then it sounds like
people disagree, right?

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And this is much like the moth
An incident all happening over

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the course of just a couple
days, like three days.

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We’re up to July 9th 1947 in the
start of July 6th.

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So, July 9 1947, the Press
reported that Ramey said, RAF

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had discovered a weather balloon
at a subsequent, press

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conference debris, resembling a
weather.

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Balloon said to be from the
Foster Ranch site was displayed

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and Ramey address.
The press this effectively

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killed the story for the time
being One explanation for the

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secrecy and or cover-up is that
the balloon was not an ordinary

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weather balloon but actually a
military weather, balloon

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launched a month, prior from
Alamogordo Army, Air Field,

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which included experimental
radar technology intended to

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monitor Soviet nuclear testing.
But that didn’t come out until

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the 90s.
The Air Force said that and I

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feel like with enough time
having passed.

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Once that comes out in the Is
will be like, okay, yeah, we

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were monitoring Russia all the
time back then so that makes

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sense.
What kind of fucking balloon is

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gonna make it to Russia to my
from Alamo Gordo, from New

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Mexico.
Well, we’re going to send a

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balloon to we would launch the
balloon from an ally in Europe.

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If nothing else.
Definitely, I think that’s

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definitely true.
I would guess the reason and

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like this is, this is also, I
guess the reasoning behind just

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general.
Lack of public interface with

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weather balloons.
Is that the idea is that they go

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like crazy high upright?
Yes like out the that.

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Yeah, they go to really high
altitude, right?

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Like basically like the
stratosphere almost they almost

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go up to where weather happens,
right?

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Yeah, exactly.
General thing to get right up in

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where the weather’s happening
and I feel like, I mean, maybe

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maybe from that height, it
doesn’t matter where you launch

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it, you know.
As long as it drifts.

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I don’t know.
I don’t know how in 1947.

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You control where a balloon
goes.

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It’s A team’s seems dicey.
I believe UFOs Were Real by that

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point more than I believe Lee.
We could control balloons God.

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So that was July 9th 1947 and
that’s kind of how the story

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good for about 30 years.
Yeah, there was really no

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further interest in Roswell, and
it ends up coming back into the

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public Consciousness in February
1978 when UFO researcher and

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nuclear physicist Stanton.
Friedman interviewed major,

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Jesse a Marcel, the 509th Bomb
Group intelligence officer at

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Roswell, who transported the
debris to Fort Worth when in

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Baton Rouge Louisiana.
Anna for another interview.

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He learned Marcel.
Lived nearby in humor, Louisiana

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Houma.
Yeah, here’s the thing.

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Here’s the thing about Jesse
Marcel.

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If you’re one of those people
who thinks everyone, you

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encounter with a deep southern
accent, is a fucking redneck

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Yokel, get a load of Jesse
Marcel’s accent until officials

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announced.
It was only a weather balloon

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major Jesse Marcel in charge of
the operation.

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Now, Tells a far different
story, they took pictures, of

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course, they had a whole flock
of microphones there.

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They wanted me to to, they want
to sub come as for me, but I

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wasn’t at Liberty to do that.
So all I could do is keep your

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mouth shut.
He sounds like, remember that

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Cajun chef?
Yes, he sounds like a swamp

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person.
He sounds like Jim Fogerty’s

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singing voice, but not his
speaking voice.

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Just the singing voice and he is
One of the most important

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figures in the development of
the nuclear bomb.

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Yes.
Yeah.

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Absolutely.
He’s also the guy in the very

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famous Roswell picture like
vivre like one of the most

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foundationally important UFO
pictures of all time.

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What’s the guy with the debris?
You know?

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And if you look at that picture
and you imagine going Hey sir

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what is that that you’re holding
you?

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Ajan because of when it’s
happening and just how he looks.

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Yeah.
That he’d be like, well, son.

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This is a piece of metal that
came off of a UFO.

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And yeah, imagine what his
accent was like back then, he’s

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metal.
Yeah, you’ve seen it came off

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UFO.
I never seen nothing like this.

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Consult a this up fricassee and
he seems like a delightful guy.

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I love.
This is very nice.

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It really lovely interview.
I mean he’s the one who renewed

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the In Roswell yapping else.
And so in this interview Marcel

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revealed to Friedman that, he
still believed the debris was

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extraterrestrial, and that
sparked further, research and

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interviews and was eventually
published in a documentary.

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Co-written by Friedman called
UFOs are real and Willa link to

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the interview with Jesse Marcel
so you can hear it for yourself.

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It really is jarring.
Yeah, please watch.

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It’s a really both what he says
is Interesting.

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And also the way he says it is
interesting.

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Yes, and that interview ends up
at least in part being published

437
00:26:22,600 –> 00:26:26,600
in the National Enquirer which
leads to even more.

438
00:26:26,900 –> 00:26:30,000
See that’s, that’s always the
thing you here though, is that

439
00:26:30,000 –> 00:26:33,200
sometimes the stories kick down
to the National Enquirer are

440
00:26:33,200 –> 00:26:37,900
true, their coverage of the o.j.
trial, was impeccable.

441
00:26:37,900 –> 00:26:41,700
We’ve lived that has definitely,
we’ve talked about that before

442
00:26:41,700 –> 00:26:44,400
and I believe it, you know, it
just goes.

443
00:26:44,600 –> 00:26:47,900
Show that Men In Black was
correct and not just Men In

444
00:26:47,900 –> 00:26:51,200
Black, but also the Ben Affleck
film Phantoms.

445
00:26:51,200 –> 00:26:54,500
You know, that’s also about how
the National Enquirer gets it,

446
00:26:54,500 –> 00:26:56,300
right?
I don’t think anyone’s ever

447
00:26:56,300 –> 00:26:59,100
questioned, the Ben Affleck’s
film Phantom.

448
00:26:59,100 –> 00:27:02,300
No, of course not is.
It’s a, you know, it’s an

449
00:27:02,300 –> 00:27:07,200
objectively great film.
So September 20th, 1980 the TV

450
00:27:07,200 –> 00:27:10,700
show in search of published
another interview with Marcel,

451
00:27:10,700 –> 00:27:14,400
where he talked about the press
conference of July 9th.

452
00:27:14,500 –> 00:27:16,100
In 47.
This is a quote.

453
00:27:16,100 –> 00:27:19,500
They wanted some comments from
me but I wasn’t at Liberty to do

454
00:27:19,500 –> 00:27:22,100
that.
So all I could do is keep my

455
00:27:22,100 –> 00:27:26,000
mouth shut and general, Ramey is
the one who discussed.

456
00:27:26,100 –> 00:27:30,500
I mean told the newspapers, I
mean the news man, what it was

457
00:27:30,800 –> 00:27:33,700
and to forget about it it is
nothing more than a weather.

458
00:27:33,700 –> 00:27:35,000
Observation?
Balloon.

459
00:27:35,000 –> 00:27:39,000
Of course we both knew
differently Who.

460
00:27:39,000 –> 00:27:43,000
And the reason he wasn’t at
Liberty to talk to the Press was

461
00:27:43,000 –> 00:27:44,400
because his position at the
time.

462
00:27:44,700 –> 00:27:48,900
Necessitated a low profile that
position being he was.

463
00:27:49,100 –> 00:27:53,500
This is a quote in charge of all
security and Intelligence on

464
00:27:53,500 –> 00:27:57,300
Atomic tests in the United
States and the Pacific.

465
00:27:57,400 –> 00:28:01,500
That’s a lot of responsibility.
Yeah, that’s especially in the

466
00:28:01,500 –> 00:28:06,400
50s and 60s.
Yeah, it is fucking nuts.

467
00:28:06,400 –> 00:28:10,800
That’s an insane job to have and
that is one of the things we

468
00:28:10,800 –> 00:28:14,600
always hear about UFOs.
Is they started showing up, Up

469
00:28:14,600 –> 00:28:17,800
around the same time.
We start fucking with nuclear

470
00:28:17,800 –> 00:28:18,900
weapons.
Yeah.

471
00:28:19,000 –> 00:28:23,100
I mean they were here to be like
we will you not?

472
00:28:23,200 –> 00:28:24,500
Yeah.
Just not do this.

473
00:28:24,500 –> 00:28:26,900
I mean yeah.
You know that’s one of those

474
00:28:26,900 –> 00:28:31,700
things where it’s kind of one of
those fundamental boundary

475
00:28:31,900 –> 00:28:34,500
Crossings.
Like when you know a species is

476
00:28:34,500 –> 00:28:38,200
able to, you know, manipulate
things on the atomic level.

477
00:28:38,200 –> 00:28:40,800
Like that seems like something
that might, you know, if

478
00:28:40,800 –> 00:28:45,100
anything could get the attention
of a aliens I feel like that

479
00:28:45,100 –> 00:28:49,600
would thousands and thousands of
nuclear bombs going off within a

480
00:28:49,600 –> 00:28:53,100
relatively short period of time
there were so many.

481
00:28:53,200 –> 00:28:56,300
Yeah, people do I even
understand, really, this guy

482
00:28:56,300 –> 00:28:59,500
would have been Jesse Marcel
would have been one of the key

483
00:28:59,500 –> 00:29:04,000
figures in operation Crossroads,
which I think we covered that

484
00:29:04,000 –> 00:29:05,400
on.
What in the world, I don’t know

485
00:29:05,400 –> 00:29:07,700
if we covered it, on, the
conspiracy pod because it’s not

486
00:29:07,700 –> 00:29:10,000
a conspiracy.
No, it’s out in the open.

487
00:29:10,000 –> 00:29:13,300
We used this one.
Whole area of the Marshall

488
00:29:13,300 –> 00:29:16,500
Islands.
The A atoll just as a testing

489
00:29:16,500 –> 00:29:19,800
ground for nuclear weapons
forever and then we sent people

490
00:29:19,800 –> 00:29:23,400
to live their kind of so we
could see what impact that would

491
00:29:23,400 –> 00:29:25,800
have on people who lived
somewhere where nuclear weapons

492
00:29:25,800 –> 00:29:27,400
were tested.
Not good.

493
00:29:27,500 –> 00:29:32,600
No seam turns out bad but we got
the bikini out of that shit.

494
00:29:32,700 –> 00:29:35,800
Now you know what that is true.
I don’t know if people know that

495
00:29:35,800 –> 00:29:40,700
but the bikini was invented to
promote nuclear weapons II,

496
00:29:40,700 –> 00:29:43,700
believe it.
Google it.

497
00:29:43,700 –> 00:29:47,300
That like it.
Stuck at is when the bikini was

498
00:29:47,300 –> 00:29:50,200
developed, it was in relation to
the development of the nuclear

499
00:29:50,200 –> 00:29:51,000
bomb.
Yeah.

500
00:29:51,000 –> 00:29:54,500
I mean, it’s the easiest way to
see lesions on the body of

501
00:29:54,500 –> 00:29:58,700
someone living in a post nuclear
area, is just to have his little

502
00:29:58,700 –> 00:30:00,600
clothing on the body as
possible.

503
00:30:00,900 –> 00:30:03,700
Yeah, this is what all of your
clothes will look like if you

504
00:30:03,700 –> 00:30:05,900
stand outside during that
blowback.

505
00:30:05,900 –> 00:30:08,900
Exactly.
So yeah, the fact that he was

506
00:30:08,900 –> 00:30:13,200
involved in all of that and is
the one who’s most closely

507
00:30:13,200 –> 00:30:16,700
related to this.
This crash does lend a little

508
00:30:16,700 –> 00:30:20,700
bit of credence to that idea
that if this is real maybe they

509
00:30:20,700 –> 00:30:23,400
were here because we were
fucking with nuclear weapons.

510
00:30:23,400 –> 00:30:27,000
Yeah and at the very least he’s
not the kind of person that you

511
00:30:27,000 –> 00:30:34,500
can just very easily dismiss as
a crackpot or you know some body

512
00:30:34,500 –> 00:30:37,300
who doesn’t have any expertise
and then he feel like he doesn’t

513
00:30:37,300 –> 00:30:41,500
know what he’s talking about.
Like he obviously has a lot of

514
00:30:41,500 –> 00:30:44,300
expertise in matters that are
pretty close.

515
00:30:44,500 –> 00:30:49,500
Be related to whether or not a
extraterrestrial craft crashed

516
00:30:49,500 –> 00:30:53,200
in you know New Mexico.
He’s the guy in the picture.

517
00:30:53,400 –> 00:30:59,000
Yeah, so the attention to these
Marcel interviews is what really

518
00:30:59,100 –> 00:31:05,100
propels Roswell back into the
public Spotlight and made it as

519
00:31:05,100 –> 00:31:08,500
famous as it is.
Now it kind of brought back the

520
00:31:08,500 –> 00:31:14,500
suggestion that this was related
to otherworldly phenomenon or

521
00:31:14,500 –> 00:31:16,900
not and not just a weather
balloon.

522
00:31:17,000 –> 00:31:21,900
So in the interview that aired
on the TV show in search of

523
00:31:22,700 –> 00:31:27,100
Marcel, describes this sheet of
metal amongst the debris as a

524
00:31:27,100 –> 00:31:31,900
few feet in dimension, that was
thin like aluminum foil, right?

525
00:31:31,900 –> 00:31:36,800
But couldn’t be bent broken or
dented even with a sledgehammer?

526
00:31:36,900 –> 00:31:39,000
Yeah.
And this is what he’s holding in

527
00:31:39,000 –> 00:31:42,000
that famous photo at least
according to him.

528
00:31:42,000 –> 00:31:44,300
The problem is it just looks
like a piece.

529
00:31:44,500 –> 00:31:47,500
Some metal in the photo and you
can, if you hit it with a

530
00:31:47,500 –> 00:31:50,200
sledgehammer, it’s not going to
prove anything because you need

531
00:31:50,200 –> 00:31:52,500
to have the actual metal,
obviously.

532
00:31:52,900 –> 00:31:57,700
But that, I mean, just the fact
that it’s the guy in the picture

533
00:31:57,700 –> 00:32:00,100
describing, what is holding
like, who are you going to

534
00:32:00,100 –> 00:32:03,400
believe?
Yeah, that’s that is extremely

535
00:32:03,400 –> 00:32:06,100
compelling testimony, at the
very least.

536
00:32:06,100 –> 00:32:09,200
Like you can’t, you can’t just
dismiss any of that.

537
00:32:09,200 –> 00:32:13,100
And you have to take it in
context with what the American

538
00:32:13,100 –> 00:32:17,200
government was at the, The time
like the 40s, 50s 60s, that’s a

539
00:32:17,200 –> 00:32:20,100
really free wheel and time for
the American government.

540
00:32:20,200 –> 00:32:23,700
Yeah, we were getting off into
all the kinds of shit that we’re

541
00:32:23,700 –> 00:32:26,800
sure the American government
isn’t getting up to now.

542
00:32:26,900 –> 00:32:30,400
Yeah, but back then we know they
were and there’s no way we would

543
00:32:30,400 –> 00:32:35,600
have found an alien craft and
just been like huh what is this

544
00:32:35,600 –> 00:32:37,000
now?
We’re obviously going to take

545
00:32:37,000 –> 00:32:38,700
that and be like can we build
one?

546
00:32:38,700 –> 00:32:40,500
Yeah.
Like what what can we make out

547
00:32:40,500 –> 00:32:42,900
of this?
If they can hear me kill with

548
00:32:42,900 –> 00:32:43,900
this?
Yeah.

549
00:32:44,400 –> 00:32:47,800
Buddy, at least one person.
Yeah, and so it, I don’t know.

550
00:32:47,800 –> 00:32:51,800
I, I tend to believe Jesse
Marcel over the rest of the

551
00:32:51,800 –> 00:32:54,000
government.
I tend to believe whistleblowers

552
00:32:54,000 –> 00:32:56,700
in general, and that’s pretty
much what he is.

553
00:32:56,800 –> 00:33:01,300
And so there was a lawyer who
looked through D classified

554
00:33:01,300 –> 00:33:04,500
government documents and came
across a mention of the Roswell

555
00:33:04,500 –> 00:33:07,300
case that indicated the FBI had
determined.

556
00:33:07,300 –> 00:33:11,700
It was a highly classified kite
equipped with experimental

557
00:33:11,700 –> 00:33:12,800
radar.
Sure.

558
00:33:12,900 –> 00:33:16,500
And in response to that, At
Jesse Marcel said it was not

559
00:33:16,500 –> 00:33:20,800
anything from this Earth that
I’m quite sure of I was familiar

560
00:33:20,800 –> 00:33:24,200
with just about all the
materials used in aircraft and

561
00:33:24,200 –> 00:33:26,900
or air travel.
Yeah, this was nothing like

562
00:33:26,900 –> 00:33:29,700
that.
It could not be it could not

563
00:33:29,700 –> 00:33:32,000
have been so again.
Yeah.

564
00:33:32,000 –> 00:33:36,800
Who you gonna believe you can’t
get much more positive than that

565
00:33:36,800 –> 00:33:39,700
on this lie and then we
obviously know that this guy

566
00:33:39,700 –> 00:33:43,900
does it have a great familiarity
with aircraft?

567
00:33:44,400 –> 00:33:49,600
Wilson stuff like yeah, he’s got
a good please a background.

568
00:33:49,600 –> 00:33:53,800
He’s describing right?
He’s just got an accent that you

569
00:33:53,800 –> 00:33:57,400
don’t expect.
Yeah I would love I would love

570
00:33:57,400 –> 00:34:01,100
to find other clips of him
giving interviews.

571
00:34:01,100 –> 00:34:04,100
Surely there’s got to be more
somewhere out there like of.

572
00:34:04,100 –> 00:34:06,000
It’s not about UFOs about other
stuff.

573
00:34:06,000 –> 00:34:08,500
I just like to hear actually
talk to him.

574
00:34:08,500 –> 00:34:11,699
Yeah I would love that.
Just gumbo recipe.

575
00:34:11,699 –> 00:34:13,400
He’s not I don’t think I don’t
believe.

576
00:34:13,400 –> 00:34:16,400
Is he still alive?
I’ve no, there’s no way.

577
00:34:16,400 –> 00:34:18,000
Yeah, that would be very
surprising.

578
00:34:18,300 –> 00:34:21,699
Well, he all he gave his final
interview in August 1985.

579
00:34:21,699 –> 00:34:24,900
So yeah, he was giving them that
late in the game.

580
00:34:25,000 –> 00:34:27,400
He’s probably dead now because
yes, yeah, he would still be

581
00:34:27,400 –> 00:34:30,600
giving them.
He was an agent man in the

582
00:34:31,100 –> 00:34:34,699
interview that we that we watch.
So yeah, that was from the 70s.

583
00:34:34,699 –> 00:34:38,000
Exactly.
So, the next thing that really

584
00:34:38,000 –> 00:34:43,800
reignited interest in Roswell
happened in 1980 and that was by

585
00:34:43,800 –> 00:34:46,500
way of a Called the Roswell
incident.

586
00:34:46,600 –> 00:34:51,199
This is where the suggestion
that alien bodies were found as

587
00:34:51,199 –> 00:34:54,400
part of the Roswell incident,
which I don’t know.

588
00:34:54,400 –> 00:34:59,100
By this point, I feel like Jesse
Marcel is kind of the authority

589
00:34:59,100 –> 00:35:02,100
on what was found there and if
he wasn’t like there’s bodies

590
00:35:02,100 –> 00:35:05,900
are mine I mean honestly yeah
exactly.

591
00:35:05,900 –> 00:35:10,700
It seems like gilding the Lily
honestly a little bit and this

592
00:35:10,700 –> 00:35:15,200
book suggests the same theory
that they were the These crafts

593
00:35:15,200 –> 00:35:17,800
were there because of nuclear
technology.

594
00:35:18,000 –> 00:35:20,000
Sure.
It’s suggest the government

595
00:35:20,000 –> 00:35:23,700
covered everything up that the
craft was struck by lightning

596
00:35:23,800 –> 00:35:27,300
and that’s why it crashed.
That’s another thing.

597
00:35:27,300 –> 00:35:31,400
We’re that’s another part that
just immediately strikes me as

598
00:35:31,400 –> 00:35:36,900
an unimaginative writer coming
up with a reason why an alien

599
00:35:36,900 –> 00:35:40,900
spacecraft crashed they didn’t
account for lightning.

600
00:35:41,100 –> 00:35:46,200
Yeah, that seems like a Gee.
They probably figured out how to

601
00:35:46,200 –> 00:35:49,700
defeat come on.
There’s gotta be spaced

602
00:35:49,700 –> 00:35:53,300
lightning of some sort.
It’s not like lightning is like

603
00:35:53,600 –> 00:35:56,400
Supernatural.
It’s fucking electricity.

604
00:35:58,300 –> 00:36:00,700
Surely, they’ve got some
insulation on that fucking

605
00:36:00,700 –> 00:36:02,700
spaceship, right?
Yeah.

606
00:36:02,700 –> 00:36:06,300
They’re like you’ve got a better
chance of being eaten by a shark

607
00:36:07,500 –> 00:36:10,900
and a fucking shark jumps up and
grabbed crafts out of the sky to

608
00:36:10,900 –> 00:36:13,000
be.
That would be more realistic

609
00:36:13,000 –> 00:36:14,000
honestly.
Yeah.

610
00:36:15,700 –> 00:36:18,100
Sounds like a good movie.
I’ll watch it.

611
00:36:18,300 –> 00:36:20,200
Yeah, shark alien I would watch
it.

612
00:36:20,300 –> 00:36:25,300
This is also where the idea that
the debris Marcel was holding in

613
00:36:25,300 –> 00:36:30,600
that famous picture was switched
out for fake debris later and

614
00:36:30,600 –> 00:36:34,400
shown to the Press at the July
9th, press conference, right?

615
00:36:34,400 –> 00:36:38,300
But again, that didn’t come up
until this account and this

616
00:36:38,300 –> 00:36:42,900
account was written by like it,
there was help from Stanton

617
00:36:42,900 –> 00:36:46,100
Friedman.
Who is the guy who initially

618
00:36:46,100 –> 00:36:50,500
interviewed Marcel, but it was
written by two dudes named

619
00:36:50,500 –> 00:36:53,300
Charles berlitz and William
Moore who were just researchers.

620
00:36:53,400 –> 00:36:55,600
Yeah.
And I bring it up all the time

621
00:36:55,600 –> 00:36:58,100
but one thing we know the
government does is if someone’s

622
00:36:58,100 –> 00:36:59,500
on to something.
Yeah.

623
00:36:59,500 –> 00:37:03,900
Which in this case, the guy who
interviewed Marcel right, the

624
00:37:03,900 –> 00:37:07,800
government will go to that guy
and be like, oh well, the not

625
00:37:07,800 –> 00:37:11,800
the government, they’ll send
someone to be like, you’re onto

626
00:37:11,800 –> 00:37:14,000
something.
And here’s something else you

627
00:37:14,000 –> 00:37:16,000
can.
Report and then that just turns

628
00:37:16,000 –> 00:37:18,700
out to be total bullshit.
Yeah, I can be like this is all

629
00:37:18,700 –> 00:37:21,500
nonsense.
That was I was I was also

630
00:37:21,500 –> 00:37:26,000
thinking that exact thing, you
know, just the the escalation

631
00:37:26,000 –> 00:37:31,200
two dead bodies is just, that is
a huge thing.

632
00:37:31,200 –> 00:37:35,400
To not have come out earlier.
You think it would come up?

633
00:37:35,600 –> 00:37:38,600
You’d think Marcel, you know,
Marcel would have thought to

634
00:37:38,600 –> 00:37:42,200
mention it.
Yeah, this is close to 40 years

635
00:37:42,200 –> 00:37:45,100
later, like 30 30.
Years later.

636
00:37:45,100 –> 00:37:47,300
I don’t know if I believe there
were bodies there.

637
00:37:47,400 –> 00:37:49,200
Did you watch the alien autopsy?
Show.

638
00:37:49,200 –> 00:37:52,100
When it aired.
I did watch the alien autopsy?

639
00:37:52,200 –> 00:37:54,100
Yes, I did too.
Absolutely.

640
00:37:54,100 –> 00:37:57,800
Watch the alien autopsy so mad.
That was fake.

641
00:37:57,900 –> 00:37:59,200
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.

642
00:37:59,500 –> 00:38:03,000
That was also.
One of the highlights of the UFO

643
00:38:03,000 –> 00:38:06,100
Museum tour.
Was the alien autopsy.

644
00:38:06,300 –> 00:38:08,400
Yeah.
This diorama display.

645
00:38:08,400 –> 00:38:12,300
I don’t know what you did, what?
You’d call, it’s very accurate.

646
00:38:12,300 –> 00:38:13,400
I’m sure.
Oh yeah.

647
00:38:13,400 –> 00:38:15,900
Totally real.
Yeah, so yeah.

648
00:38:15,900 –> 00:38:20,300
One of the things I’ve always
wanted to do an episode of this

649
00:38:20,300 –> 00:38:23,700
podcast about but I just don’t
think there’s enough information

650
00:38:23,800 –> 00:38:25,500
about it.
Are you familiar with the

651
00:38:25,500 –> 00:38:27,400
McPherson tape?
Yes.

652
00:38:27,400 –> 00:38:31,200
Yes, absolutely.
That very very early I think

653
00:38:31,200 –> 00:38:34,200
first found footage horror
movie, I’ve watched it.

654
00:38:34,200 –> 00:38:39,800
There’s a conspiracy theory that
that is just a real tape and

655
00:38:39,800 –> 00:38:43,700
that the government was like
fucking put it out as a movie,

656
00:38:43,800 –> 00:38:46,100
right?
Which would be a brilliant way.

657
00:38:46,200 –> 00:38:50,000
It would, it would for maybe
like The Blair Witch Project

658
00:38:50,000 –> 00:38:53,600
that would have been if you had
told me that was what happened.

659
00:38:53,700 –> 00:38:57,100
I would believe that but that
thing has some really bad

660
00:38:57,100 –> 00:38:59,700
special effects are not gonna
lie.

661
00:38:59,800 –> 00:39:02,000
Yeah, that’s the thing.
The McPherson Tate.

662
00:39:02,000 –> 00:39:05,200
The thing that would lead me to
believe that conspiracy theory

663
00:39:05,200 –> 00:39:07,500
is.
It’s a boring fucking movie.

664
00:39:07,500 –> 00:39:12,200
It is, it is like a 58 minutes
of birthday party in four

665
00:39:12,200 –> 00:39:14,100
minutes of aliens.
It’s got some good.

666
00:39:14,200 –> 00:39:16,400
Good.
I would say it’s got some good

667
00:39:16,400 –> 00:39:19,000
creeps, like some good creepy
moments.

668
00:39:19,100 –> 00:39:22,800
Yeah, but again, there is a
final four minutes very

669
00:39:22,800 –> 00:39:27,200
scattered like not not it.
No consistent buildup of tension

670
00:39:28,500 –> 00:39:31,800
but also but yeah.
Like the actual like alien

671
00:39:31,800 –> 00:39:38,100
effects are so obviously fake
like not even in a of like it’s

672
00:39:38,100 –> 00:39:40,300
so fake.
It might be real type of, I

673
00:39:40,308 –> 00:39:43,300
mean, have you ever seen a real
alien offended?

674
00:39:43,400 –> 00:39:46,600
You know what?
I wish I have, but I haven’t.

675
00:39:46,600 –> 00:39:47,900
Yeah.
So only, there was some

676
00:39:47,900 –> 00:39:50,700
Touchstone.
Yeah, good finals.

677
00:39:50,700 –> 00:39:54,300
I’m just basing it off of
communion, which is another

678
00:39:54,300 –> 00:39:56,100
thing we should probably talk
about.

679
00:39:56,400 –> 00:39:59,100
Yeah.
Whole Whitley strieber like

680
00:39:59,100 –> 00:40:02,300
Universe.
Yeah, very weird shit.

681
00:40:10,000 –> 00:40:15,700
So this story was basically the
first of the really widespread

682
00:40:15,700 –> 00:40:20,000
speculative narratives about
Roswell and it was predominant

683
00:40:20,000 –> 00:40:23,500
until the 80s.
When other research and stories

684
00:40:23,500 –> 00:40:27,000
start to be published, the book
was one of the first to claim

685
00:40:27,000 –> 00:40:31,400
that the military was trying to
discredit the theories that were

686
00:40:31,400 –> 00:40:34,500
beginning to grow about flying
saucers.

687
00:40:34,600 –> 00:40:38,600
Hmm, including a Counts of
witness intimidation and Mac

688
00:40:38,600 –> 00:40:40,600
brazell, the ranch owner
discovered.

689
00:40:40,600 –> 00:40:44,400
The debris being held at Roswell
for about a week.

690
00:40:44,400 –> 00:40:48,000
According to his son, Mac
described it as jail and that he

691
00:40:48,000 –> 00:40:51,400
had been given a complete head
to foot Army physical.

692
00:40:51,700 –> 00:40:55,300
Hmm this is another thing.
You see in those early CIA UFO

693
00:40:55,300 –> 00:40:58,800
files there’s a guy named Donald
Kehoe.

694
00:40:58,800 –> 00:41:03,800
Who is he’s a major in the
Marines at the time I believed

695
00:41:03,800 –> 00:41:07,800
and was also like a kind of well
established His science fiction

696
00:41:08,200 –> 00:41:12,500
UFO writer.
Yeah, and one of his big bones

697
00:41:12,500 –> 00:41:17,900
of contention was that the CIA
at this time was going out and

698
00:41:17,900 –> 00:41:22,000
coercing people into not talking
about UFOs.

699
00:41:22,100 –> 00:41:26,900
So that’s kind of in line with
but it’s also like this all

700
00:41:26,900 –> 00:41:31,500
comes up in the 80s.
So by that point Donald Kehoe

701
00:41:31,700 –> 00:41:35,000
was kind of a public figure when
it came to UFOs, right?

702
00:41:35,000 –> 00:41:38,200
And he was already He’s out
there in the public saying,

703
00:41:38,200 –> 00:41:42,200
yeah, the CIA was like coercing
people and telling them not to

704
00:41:42,200 –> 00:41:44,700
talk about this.
So again, the fact that that

705
00:41:44,700 –> 00:41:48,900
doesn’t come up in that initial
Jesse Marcel account, right?

706
00:41:48,900 –> 00:41:52,600
And comes up later, they could
be confusing it with other

707
00:41:52,600 –> 00:41:55,300
stuff.
Potentially, I mean, who knows?

708
00:41:55,300 –> 00:41:57,900
That’s the thing?
Once, you know, after after a

709
00:41:57,900 –> 00:42:02,400
certain point you start to get a
glut of conflicting accounts,

710
00:42:02,400 –> 00:42:04,800
right?
And including another one in

711
00:42:04,800 –> 00:42:08,400
this book, which There were
stories about civil engineer,

712
00:42:08,400 –> 00:42:12,200
Grady, Barnett, and a group of
archaeology students who

713
00:42:12,200 –> 00:42:17,300
supposedly found debris and
alien bodies before being turned

714
00:42:17,300 –> 00:42:20,800
away by the Army.
Yeah, which I don’t know.

715
00:42:20,900 –> 00:42:24,700
Yeah, there there, there, there
was another UFO incident in New

716
00:42:24,700 –> 00:42:28,500
Mexico in 1948, in a town called
Aztec.

717
00:42:28,700 –> 00:42:30,900
Yeah.
That was actually revealed to be

718
00:42:30,900 –> 00:42:35,000
a hoax and it’s possible that
witness accounts of those two

719
00:42:35,000 –> 00:42:37,600
things are.
Ting confused because they are

720
00:42:37,600 –> 00:42:41,600
in pretty close proximity.
Close proximity same, you know,

721
00:42:41,600 –> 00:42:44,000
same basic Time, same basic
place.

722
00:42:44,000 –> 00:42:47,700
Like, you know, when
communication is so limited,

723
00:42:47,700 –> 00:42:49,300
it’s easy to get those things
mixed up.

724
00:42:49,300 –> 00:42:53,900
I can imagine that what if Aztec
is just fucking hop and City.

725
00:42:53,900 –> 00:42:57,400
Yeah, tons of nightlife all
kinds of shit to do right there.

726
00:42:57,400 –> 00:43:01,900
Like we need a fucking UFO
incident people to the Las Vegas

727
00:43:01,900 –> 00:43:05,900
of New Mexico, it just didn’t
work, no poor mark.

728
00:43:06,100 –> 00:43:10,100
That’s not the case though.
Knows who could say I’ll never

729
00:43:10,100 –> 00:43:12,200
know.
I think Santa Fe is the Las

730
00:43:12,200 –> 00:43:14,800
Vegas of New Mexico.
Oh sure.

731
00:43:15,700 –> 00:43:18,400
Are you know in Taos is haunted
house?

732
00:43:18,400 –> 00:43:22,000
Yeah.
The Taos hum now heard of it.

733
00:43:22,100 –> 00:43:25,100
This is new not heard of the
Taos hum and know there’s a

734
00:43:25,100 –> 00:43:29,400
certain percentage of people
including people who live there.

735
00:43:29,400 –> 00:43:33,100
And just people who go visit,
who just hear this persistent

736
00:43:33,100 –> 00:43:35,800
non-stop, humming noise, aunt’s
house.

737
00:43:36,200 –> 00:43:38,600
And it’s called the Taos hum and
no one knows what the fuck it

738
00:43:38,600 –> 00:43:41,200
is.
It’s and maybe it’s aliens.

739
00:43:41,300 –> 00:43:43,900
It’s one of my favorite things.
Is it?

740
00:43:43,900 –> 00:43:48,100
And it’s not like that thing
where like as you get older, you

741
00:43:48,100 –> 00:43:51,400
stop being able to hear like
certain tones, you know what I

742
00:43:51,408 –> 00:43:53,300
mean?
Listen, it’s called the Taos

743
00:43:53,300 –> 00:43:55,200
hum.
Okay, okay, okay.

744
00:43:55,200 –> 00:43:57,900
I know people here people hear
it.

745
00:43:57,900 –> 00:44:02,600
So yeah, I don’t appreciate
being debunked, you know, I’m

746
00:44:02,600 –> 00:44:05,300
sorry, I’m a skeptical, public.
I can’t help it.

747
00:44:05,300 –> 00:44:08,300
I can’t help.
Okay, I’ll leave this in.

748
00:44:08,300 –> 00:44:09,800
I’ll leave it in.
Okay, no, that’s fine.

749
00:44:09,800 –> 00:44:12,400
That’s fine, you know, drag me,
it’s okay.

750
00:44:12,800 –> 00:44:17,600
I could take it.
So the next big Roswell thing

751
00:44:17,600 –> 00:44:21,000
that happens is UFO crash at
Roswell.

752
00:44:21,000 –> 00:44:25,700
Yes, which is another book that
comes out in 1991, very popular

753
00:44:25,900 –> 00:44:30,700
and the basis for the 1994 TV
movie Roswell.

754
00:44:30,900 –> 00:44:33,500
You looked into this TV movie,
right?

755
00:44:33,500 –> 00:44:37,100
I tried so hard to find this
thing to watch before the show

756
00:44:37,100 –> 00:44:39,900
and barely.
I found it right before we

757
00:44:39,900 –> 00:44:42,800
recorded.
This thing looks dope.

758
00:44:42,900 –> 00:44:45,000
I want to watch it so bad.
Okay?

759
00:44:45,000 –> 00:44:50,700
I want to just very quickly
sidebar to run down the cast of

760
00:44:50,700 –> 00:44:55,900
the 1994 TV movie Roswell.
First of all cited, to hear it

761
00:44:56,000 –> 00:44:58,800
in the lead role as Jesse
Marcel.

762
00:44:58,900 –> 00:45:03,000
Kyle MacLachlan.
Whoa, who, you know, now that we

763
00:45:03,000 –> 00:45:07,900
know what Jesse Marcel sounds
like is Lee, not like great

764
00:45:07,900 –> 00:45:12,000
casting but like if you’re if
you’re casting like the look of

765
00:45:12,000 –> 00:45:16,400
the guy in the picture and
Roswell found McLaughlin is a

766
00:45:16,400 –> 00:45:20,200
great choice.
Also Martin Sheen is in this

767
00:45:20,200 –> 00:45:24,600
movie Martin Sheen and you know
who plays the farmer Mac brazel,

768
00:45:24,600 –> 00:45:30,100
Dwight Yoakam, goddamn it then
you guys and doing blades Dwight

769
00:45:30,100 –> 00:45:32,800
Yoakam bling-bling thousand
miles from know.

770
00:45:32,800 –> 00:45:35,800
Where’s Dwight Yoakam?
You know, Logan left.

771
00:45:35,900 –> 00:45:38,800
Keys, Dwight Yoakam?
Yes, Panic rooms.

772
00:45:38,800 –> 00:45:41,600
Dwight Yoakam.
Wasn’t a secret.

773
00:45:41,900 –> 00:45:44,000
What he was in Patron?
Yeah, he was.

774
00:45:44,000 –> 00:45:46,100
Yeah, he was laughing.
I forgot about that.

775
00:45:46,200 –> 00:45:51,700
Pretty sure also Xander Berkeley
no one really cares but I found

776
00:45:51,700 –> 00:45:56,000
it interesting.
Also, Peter McNichol, aka the

777
00:45:56,000 –> 00:45:58,200
only good part of ghostbusters
2.

778
00:45:59,300 –> 00:46:05,500
Oh Charles hallahan from The
Thing Ray McKinnon who has just

779
00:46:05,500 –> 00:46:10,700
one of All-time great faces,
Sheriff Wilcox played by the

780
00:46:10,700 –> 00:46:14,800
great Charles, Martin Smith of
these names are getting a little

781
00:46:14,800 –> 00:46:19,100
less recognizable.
These are all fucking a-listers

782
00:46:19,100 –> 00:46:22,400
in my book.
This thing fucking, I just now

783
00:46:22,400 –> 00:46:25,300
after Charles Martin Smith,
that’s where it starts to get a

784
00:46:25,308 –> 00:46:30,400
little less recognizable for me
but man those like first eight

785
00:46:30,400 –> 00:46:34,800
or nine names that’s just wild
for a TV movie.

786
00:46:35,900 –> 00:46:38,400
That’s quite a cast.
I am going to watch the hell out

787
00:46:38,400 –> 00:46:40,300
of this.
It’s in my YouTube watch list.

788
00:46:40,300 –> 00:46:43,200
Now I finally found it.
I’m so happy.

789
00:46:43,200 –> 00:46:47,300
It’s two and a half hours long
that is long, which means it was

790
00:46:47,300 –> 00:46:52,000
probably a three or four-hour TV
movie like at the time maybe

791
00:46:52,000 –> 00:46:56,000
over two nights and today it
would be a six-part series.

792
00:46:56,200 –> 00:47:03,400
Well I mean, it is with with
Littlefinger from game Thrones

793
00:47:03,400 –> 00:47:05,400
they’ve got that blue book TV
show.

794
00:47:05,500 –> 00:47:08,400
Oh yeah.
Anyway, that’s the Roswell TV

795
00:47:08,400 –> 00:47:11,000
movie, sorry that.
I just found that cast to be

796
00:47:11,000 –> 00:47:14,100
fucking nuts, Kyle MacLachlan
and Martin Sheen.

797
00:47:14,100 –> 00:47:15,600
So good.
I’m gonna watch the hell out of

798
00:47:15,607 –> 00:47:17,400
that.
That is quite a cast.

799
00:47:17,400 –> 00:47:19,600
Yeah, we should watch it and do
an episode about it.

800
00:47:19,600 –> 00:47:23,400
I’m kind of 100% down that that
would be fascinating.

801
00:47:23,400 –> 00:47:26,500
Yeah.
So this 1991 book UFO crash at

802
00:47:26,500 –> 00:47:29,400
Roswell by Kevin Randall and
Donald Schmidt.

803
00:47:29,400 –> 00:47:33,600
It’s very popular basis for that
movie, The Book introduced the

804
00:47:33,600 –> 00:47:35,800
suggestion that along with the
debris.

805
00:47:35,900 –> 00:47:40,000
E in alien bodies, they also
found a large gouge at Foster

806
00:47:40,000 –> 00:47:44,400
Ranch of 400 to 500 feet right.
Which is what you would imagine

807
00:47:44,400 –> 00:47:46,700
if a craft crashed into the
ground.

808
00:47:46,700 –> 00:47:50,400
Yeah that’s the kind of detailed
that was kind of missing from

809
00:47:50,400 –> 00:47:54,600
the original Roswell report.
You know as far as crashes go

810
00:47:55,000 –> 00:47:57,900
yeah seems like there would be
something like that it’s also

811
00:47:57,900 –> 00:48:02,200
missing from 9/11 at the
Pentagon elodea shit.

812
00:48:02,200 –> 00:48:05,300
You are right?
No it’s not that famous picture

813
00:48:05,300 –> 00:48:06,900
of right now.
Being any crash.

814
00:48:06,900 –> 00:48:10,600
Debris is cropped.
Oh, okay, it see, now this this,

815
00:48:10,600 –> 00:48:15,000
uh, pins my entire worldview
because I thought that that very

816
00:48:15,000 –> 00:48:19,200
clear picture of a plane flying
directly into the Pentagon.

817
00:48:19,700 –> 00:48:21,800
Really left a lot to the
imagination.

818
00:48:22,400 –> 00:48:25,600
So, I’ll admit the video of it
flying in.

819
00:48:25,700 –> 00:48:30,300
Looks like you don’t see much,
but the picture everyone points

820
00:48:30,300 –> 00:48:32,300
to as being.
Where’s the plane debris?

821
00:48:32,400 –> 00:48:34,600
If you just look at the
uncropped version, there’s a

822
00:48:34,600 –> 00:48:38,500
fucking yeah.
Landing gear off the side

823
00:48:38,900 –> 00:48:41,800
talking engine somewhere.
It’s like it’s right there.

824
00:48:41,800 –> 00:48:45,400
It turns out that the plane
crashed into a building there.

825
00:48:45,400 –> 00:48:49,100
We know how to use the internet
to people.

826
00:48:49,300 –> 00:48:52,500
Come on.
How does every time we recorded

827
00:48:52,500 –> 00:48:57,400
episode, we talk about some
aspect of a 9/11 conspiracy

828
00:48:57,400 –> 00:49:00,900
theory.
It’s the it’s the conspiracy

829
00:49:00,900 –> 00:49:04,600
that just keeps on giving it.
Is it really is.

830
00:49:04,600 –> 00:49:08,400
I think it’s the one that Broke
people in the modern day.

831
00:49:08,400 –> 00:49:12,800
Like yeah, one that like ruined
a lot of people’s brains forever

832
00:49:12,900 –> 00:49:17,000
because it’s the first one that
we really had internet for true.

833
00:49:17,100 –> 00:49:19,100
Yeah, that’s yeah.
That’s a good point because

834
00:49:19,100 –> 00:49:21,500
like, Oklahoma City that was a
little too early.

835
00:49:21,600 –> 00:49:24,600
Yeah.
Tupac died in the 9/11 of rap.

836
00:49:24,800 –> 00:49:26,400
Yeah.
That was a little too early for

837
00:49:26,400 –> 00:49:31,100
the internet or Tupac Biggie.
Smalls the Twin Towers of rap

838
00:49:31,100 –> 00:49:36,700
tragedy side.
Teeth argue with me, I’m not

839
00:49:36,700 –> 00:49:40,800
saying that because you’re
wrong, why are you saying it?

840
00:49:40,900 –> 00:49:43,500
I’ll get it.
So this book also, claimed that

841
00:49:43,500 –> 00:49:47,600
guy named General Exxon, which
is the best fucking name for

842
00:49:47,600 –> 00:49:50,600
anyone involved in the military,
what a name?

843
00:49:50,600 –> 00:49:52,500
That should be the name of our
government.

844
00:49:52,500 –> 00:49:56,600
Fucking final boss asked named
General Exxon.

845
00:49:56,900 –> 00:50:00,300
He was the commanding officer of
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.

846
00:50:00,300 –> 00:50:04,700
In the 60s, where the debris had
been taken in 1947, right?

847
00:50:04,700 –> 00:50:09,100
All his interaction with Roswell
incident was significantly after

848
00:50:09,100 –> 00:50:12,900
the fact and he claimed all his
knowledge was secondhand and

849
00:50:12,900 –> 00:50:16,200
that he never saw any of the
debris but he did claim to have

850
00:50:16,200 –> 00:50:19,900
a lot of interaction with other
UFO cases and was purse.

851
00:50:19,900 –> 00:50:23,400
The person who coined the
nickname the Unholy 13 for the

852
00:50:23,400 –> 00:50:28,200
UFO controlling committee.
He described made up mostly of

853
00:50:28,200 –> 00:50:31,200
high-ranking military and
Intelligence Officers.

854
00:50:31,200 –> 00:50:33,700
I thought that was always like
Majestic 12 or something.

855
00:50:33,700 –> 00:50:37,200
Well, you know, it turns out
it’s just like Like uh Petty

856
00:50:37,200 –> 00:50:40,800
like professional squabble like
nickname.

857
00:50:41,000 –> 00:50:45,600
This guy just had a grudge
against these guys like no gotta

858
00:50:45,600 –> 00:50:51,900
go deal with the Unholy 13.
I’m Commander Exxon, and this

859
00:50:51,900 –> 00:50:55,800
guy is claimed in this book to
have been directly aware of

860
00:50:55,800 –> 00:51:00,100
debris and bodies, right, but he
disputed Randall and Schmidt’s

861
00:51:00,100 –> 00:51:02,600
portrayal.
Yeah, the book also referred to

862
00:51:02,600 –> 00:51:05,500
Barnett story of bodies as
depicted in the Roswell

863
00:51:05,500 –> 00:51:07,900
incident.
But some important details were

864
00:51:07,900 –> 00:51:09,600
different.
Including the story being that

865
00:51:09,600 –> 00:51:13,300
brazell had actually been
leading the Army to a second

866
00:51:13,300 –> 00:51:17,800
crash site Olivia that he had
found when they discovered

867
00:51:17,800 –> 00:51:21,100
Barnett among others had already
gotten there yet.

868
00:51:21,100 –> 00:51:25,900
That is that is a detail that I
do remember from reading about

869
00:51:25,900 –> 00:51:29,700
this as a youngster, the whole
second crash.

870
00:51:29,800 –> 00:51:32,500
I mean, I guess it’s as possible
as there having been a first

871
00:51:32,500 –> 00:51:39,900
crash, Once something happens,
like I feel like especially with

872
00:51:39,900 –> 00:51:43,500
something extremely unlikely if
it happens twice within a very

873
00:51:43,500 –> 00:51:48,100
short span of time, the
unlikelihood Rises, it like

874
00:51:48,100 –> 00:51:51,700
exponentially and this is a case
also where they could be

875
00:51:51,700 –> 00:51:56,100
confusing it with that hoax
incident and Aztec and in 1948,

876
00:51:56,100 –> 00:51:59,900
that Aztec marketing struggling
to take hold still fucking

877
00:52:00,300 –> 00:52:02,100
Vegas.
I’ve been to Mexico.

878
00:52:02,100 –> 00:52:05,700
There’s so much to do there.
The city of Aztec never sleeps

879
00:52:05,900 –> 00:52:08,100
And that it’s more like the Reno
of New Mexico.

880
00:52:09,600 –> 00:52:11,900
This book also featured
mortician Glenn.

881
00:52:11,900 –> 00:52:15,900
Dennis who claimed to have
received numerous calls from the

882
00:52:15,900 –> 00:52:19,800
Army asking for strange advice
and to a spoken with a nurse who

883
00:52:19,800 –> 00:52:24,900
had witnessed an alien autopsy.
And this is one of the first.

884
00:52:25,400 –> 00:52:27,800
This was the first introduction
of the idea that there were

885
00:52:27,800 –> 00:52:32,500
alien corpses rat Roswell that
were like, actually worked on

886
00:52:32,500 –> 00:52:36,800
and looked at.
And When Dennis is the guy who

887
00:52:36,800 –> 00:52:40,700
opened the Roswell Museum.
Yeah, exactly Shaw.

888
00:52:40,700 –> 00:52:43,800
Yeah I don’t know I don’t know
if that’s a credit towards your

889
00:52:43,800 –> 00:52:49,500
believability honestly yeah be
Bailey that place I love it but

890
00:52:49,500 –> 00:52:55,500
it’s not exactly a Bastion of
you know objective fact I would

891
00:52:55,500 –> 00:52:59,900
say and the fact that he opened
it shortly thereafter.

892
00:53:00,000 –> 00:53:03,200
It’s not like 15 years later.
Yeah.

893
00:53:03,200 –> 00:53:06,600
Crack that thing open he was
telling this Orry and then was

894
00:53:06,600 –> 00:53:08,700
like, and by the way coming
soon?

895
00:53:08,700 –> 00:53:12,800
Yeah, my UFO Museum & that
place.

896
00:53:12,900 –> 00:53:18,100
Like if you told me that was
built in his old funeral home, I

897
00:53:18,100 –> 00:53:21,400
would believe it like, it kind
of had.

898
00:53:21,700 –> 00:53:24,800
It kind of has reclaimed
Mortuary Vibes.

899
00:53:24,900 –> 00:53:26,200
Yeah.
For sure.

900
00:53:26,300 –> 00:53:31,800
So, in 1992 Stanton Friedman and
Don Berliner, published crash at

901
00:53:31,800 –> 00:53:34,600
Corona, which introduced new
Witnesses.

902
00:53:34,700 –> 00:53:37,500
It changed the story.
Free to be now to crashes.

903
00:53:37,500 –> 00:53:42,300
And 8, aliens and it claimed two
of them survived and were taken

904
00:53:42,300 –> 00:53:45,200
into government custody, which
is also a very famous.

905
00:53:45,400 –> 00:53:49,000
I think, hoax video, which is
the alien interrogation video.

906
00:53:49,000 –> 00:53:51,900
Yes, yes.
I have seen, which one, as well.

907
00:53:51,900 –> 00:53:53,400
What are you going to ask an
alien?

908
00:53:53,400 –> 00:53:57,300
It’s just going to talk back and
clicks and binary code made a

909
00:53:57,300 –> 00:54:01,600
literally an entire movie about
how that just wouldn’t work that

910
00:54:01,600 –> 00:54:04,600
way.
Like have you seen a rival that

911
00:54:04,600 –> 00:54:07,400
is what they like.
Put that old movie is about

912
00:54:07,400 –> 00:54:09,600
arrival is so good, it’s
amazing.

913
00:54:09,800 –> 00:54:14,600
One of my favorites.
So in 1994 Randle and Schmitt

914
00:54:14,600 –> 00:54:17,700
published.
Another book called the truth

915
00:54:17,700 –> 00:54:22,200
about the UFO crash at Roswell
was found, which takes it takes

916
00:54:22,200 –> 00:54:26,600
it up several more notches by
claiming alien bodies were flown

917
00:54:26,600 –> 00:54:30,100
out to be inspected by President
Eisenhower.

918
00:54:30,200 –> 00:54:32,400
Oh no they weren’t.
No, not at all.

919
00:54:32,400 –> 00:54:35,200
It’s not have a CIA work.
No way.

920
00:54:35,900 –> 00:54:38,400
CIA.
Don’t want no goddamn bosses.

921
00:54:39,800 –> 00:54:41,600
They will decide what to do with
this.

922
00:54:41,600 –> 00:54:44,200
Thank you very much.
That’s the most unbelievable

923
00:54:44,200 –> 00:54:47,600
part of the movie.
Independence Day is, yeah, that

924
00:54:47,600 –> 00:54:51,300
Bill Pullman had no idea that
alien 51 is real.

925
00:54:51,300 –> 00:54:56,500
And his like intelligence Aid,
had to be like, yeah, actually

926
00:54:56,500 –> 00:54:59,400
it.
It is real, very real.

927
00:54:59,400 –> 00:55:01,700
Yeah.
So basically all these competing

928
00:55:01,700 –> 00:55:07,300
accounts lead to a Schism in the
world of Research stuff broke

929
00:55:07,300 –> 00:55:10,900
down, more or less along the
lines of Team Randall Schmidt.

930
00:55:11,000 –> 00:55:14,100
Yeah, vs.
Team Friedman Berliner and

931
00:55:14,400 –> 00:55:17,000
that’s kind of how it stood for
a long time.

932
00:55:17,000 –> 00:55:20,000
I think that’s how pretty much
it’s still stands.

933
00:55:20,200 –> 00:55:23,600
I mean talk about your CIA
disinfo tactics.

934
00:55:24,700 –> 00:55:28,300
Yeah, well hake, if this was
literally like, the bodies thing

935
00:55:28,300 –> 00:55:32,900
was information that was fed to
them, then that’s basically the

936
00:55:32,900 –> 00:55:35,500
best kind of outcome that you
could hope for.

937
00:55:35,700 –> 00:55:36,500
Is.
Yeah.

938
00:55:36,500 –> 00:55:38,200
That’s it’s ideal.
Yeah.

939
00:55:38,200 –> 00:55:41,700
And ideological Schism because
you don’t at that point you

940
00:55:41,700 –> 00:55:44,500
don’t have to debunk any story.
No.

941
00:55:44,500 –> 00:55:46,500
Because there’s a because you
can just yeah, you can just be

942
00:55:46,500 –> 00:55:49,300
like it’s all bullshit.
No one’s ever proven any of that

943
00:55:49,300 –> 00:55:51,600
the story keeps changing, of
course it’s fake.

944
00:55:51,700 –> 00:55:55,100
And then there was the how out,
document in 2007 Randle and

945
00:55:55,100 –> 00:55:59,500
Schmitt published.
Another book, witness to witness

946
00:55:59,500 –> 00:56:03,200
to Roswell in which they reveal,
what is claimed to be a sworn

947
00:56:03,200 –> 00:56:06,800
affidavit from Walter haut, the
man who wrote, The first Army

948
00:56:06,800 –> 00:56:11,300
press release about the incident
in 1947 supposedly written by

949
00:56:11,300 –> 00:56:14,600
how and opened.
After his death in 2005, it

950
00:56:14,600 –> 00:56:18,400
included a description of army
officers discussing the debris

951
00:56:18,700 –> 00:56:22,200
and of how, how apparently saw
alien bodies.

952
00:56:22,200 –> 00:56:24,700
Hmm.
But by 2000 House, mental

953
00:56:24,700 –> 00:56:28,400
capacities had weakened
significantly enough to call

954
00:56:28,400 –> 00:56:32,800
into question, his ability to
recall these details and record

955
00:56:32,800 –> 00:56:37,700
them before he died, or where,
His mental capacities, broken

956
00:56:37,700 –> 00:56:41,000
down to the point that he didn’t
have any more inhibition is

957
00:56:41,000 –> 00:56:44,700
about shit like that, sure,
because it could have just been.

958
00:56:45,000 –> 00:56:48,300
He was mentally sound enough to
know better than to talk about

959
00:56:48,300 –> 00:56:50,100
this shit.
Sure, I get that.

960
00:56:50,100 –> 00:56:53,700
And then by the by the end, was
like, what’s the government?

961
00:56:53,700 –> 00:56:56,700
Let’s talk about these aliens.
That I saw, I’ve never even

962
00:56:56,700 –> 00:57:02,700
heard of the government so that
actually doesn’t make it less

963
00:57:02,700 –> 00:57:06,800
credible.
So it’s just the He’s talking

964
00:57:06,800 –> 00:57:11,000
about these bodies which are
thing that was not a thing until

965
00:57:11,000 –> 00:57:14,400
like 80 81, you know?
I don’t know.

966
00:57:14,500 –> 00:57:16,400
Yeah.
There’s just too much of the

967
00:57:16,400 –> 00:57:19,600
only way there.
I feel like if diminished mental

968
00:57:19,600 –> 00:57:22,800
capacity, is your argument,
would he be able to concoct a

969
00:57:22,808 –> 00:57:28,300
really believable, UFO alien
story announced eight, but like,

970
00:57:28,400 –> 00:57:33,200
that would be like, and then my
cat was there, what, but also

971
00:57:33,200 –> 00:57:36,500
that wouldn’t need to be the
only way that That a fault.

972
00:57:36,500 –> 00:57:40,300
He could be telling a false
story, like it’s possible for

973
00:57:40,500 –> 00:57:44,100
his interviewers who obviously
already have a conclusion that

974
00:57:44,100 –> 00:57:46,800
they believe in asked him
questions.

975
00:57:46,800 –> 00:57:51,300
That led him to answers that
they wanted, you know.

976
00:57:51,800 –> 00:57:54,200
Yeah.
What’s interesting about this

977
00:57:54,200 –> 00:58:01,200
though is this guy’s account was
enough to spark the interest of

978
00:58:01,200 –> 00:58:04,300
then Democratic presidential
candidate, which come on, right,

979
00:58:04,300 –> 00:58:07,500
Bill Richardson.
About releasing classified

980
00:58:07,500 –> 00:58:09,300
Roswell, documents to the
public.

981
00:58:09,600 –> 00:58:13,200
And his response is interesting.
He said that he had attempted to

982
00:58:13,200 –> 00:58:16,700
get information on behalf of his
constituents when he had been a

983
00:58:16,700 –> 00:58:20,000
New Mexico Congressman.
But was told by both Department

984
00:58:20,000 –> 00:58:23,700
of Defense and Los Alamos labs
that the information was

985
00:58:23,700 –> 00:58:24,900
classified.
Yeah.

986
00:58:24,900 –> 00:58:28,700
Which when something still
classified after that long, it’s

987
00:58:28,700 –> 00:58:30,200
very suspicious.
Yeah.

988
00:58:30,200 –> 00:58:33,700
And and, and that is definitely
like an interesting thing to

989
00:58:33,700 –> 00:58:35,800
come out of this.
Even though Ali.

990
00:58:35,800 –> 00:58:38,800
No one knows who Bill Richardson
is no one knows.

991
00:58:38,800 –> 00:58:42,200
Like what that like, I’ve never
heard of him before and I was

992
00:58:42,200 –> 00:58:44,900
alive.
The Mexico Governor well, good

993
00:58:44,900 –> 00:58:49,500
for him, I’m sure he’s a great,
but, like, this is, this is the,

994
00:58:49,500 –> 00:58:53,800
that’s an interesting response.
But that could also be referring

995
00:58:53,800 –> 00:59:00,000
to the, like wreckage, that
Marcel talked about and wouldn’t

996
00:59:00,000 –> 00:59:03,400
necessarily have to include
bodies, right?

997
00:59:03,400 –> 00:59:06,600
But even if the wreckage is
still Classified.

998
00:59:06,700 –> 00:59:09,700
Yeah that would be highly
suspicious because they’ve

999
00:59:09,700 –> 00:59:12,500
already told us the wreckage is
a weather balloon.

1000
00:59:12,700 –> 00:59:15,600
Sure.
Yeah I mean no I’m not saying

1001
00:59:15,600 –> 00:59:17,000
it’s not suspicious.
I want to be clear.

1002
00:59:17,000 –> 00:59:20,800
I’m not saying that this is not
suspicious, you are okay.

1003
00:59:20,800 –> 00:59:22,500
Well fine.
I am saying that it’s not

1004
00:59:22,500 –> 00:59:24,800
suspicious, it’s not suspicious
at all.

1005
00:59:24,900 –> 00:59:27,900
Nothing about.
This is a remotely unusual.

1006
00:59:28,100 –> 00:59:30,600
But, you know, it’s just like
they’re probably, you know, the

1007
00:59:30,600 –> 00:59:35,500
idea that it was a Alien Drone,
like, literally, like a nun.

1008
00:59:35,700 –> 00:59:38,700
Um, and like, that makes a lot
of sense.

1009
00:59:38,700 –> 00:59:44,200
Also, maybe have more sense than
it being a, you know, vehicle

1010
00:59:44,200 –> 00:59:49,600
that had beings inside of it
because we send unmanned probes

1011
00:59:49,600 –> 00:59:52,900
to places first.
So, you know, like, it doesn’t

1012
00:59:52,900 –> 00:59:57,800
make it less extraordinary if it
was just an extraterrestrial

1013
00:59:57,800 –> 01:00:01,300
machine instead of right.
Also being bodies, the bodies,

1014
01:00:01,300 –> 01:00:04,600
like I said earlier, the bodies
just seemed like too much is

1015
01:00:04,600 –> 01:00:07,000
gilding the lily.
You have the bodies are too much

1016
01:00:07,000 –> 01:00:10,000
if the wreckage is still is
still classified.

1017
01:00:10,000 –> 01:00:14,700
That’s alarming a little.
Yeah, The Conspirator my

1018
01:00:14,700 –> 01:00:17,700
favorite conspiracy theory of
all time as Elvis faked, his

1019
01:00:17,700 –> 01:00:19,800
death, and joined witness
protection.

1020
01:00:19,800 –> 01:00:22,000
Sure.
And one of the things that

1021
01:00:22,000 –> 01:00:27,300
really makes me believe that is
there are still about 150 pages

1022
01:00:27,300 –> 01:00:32,700
of Elvis’s, FBI files that are
classified on National Security

1023
01:00:32,700 –> 01:00:35,200
grounds.
What do you think’s in there?

1024
01:00:35,200 –> 01:00:37,400
If not.
Not well, here’s where we sent

1025
01:00:37,400 –> 01:00:40,800
Elvis after he joined witness
protection.

1026
01:00:40,900 –> 01:00:43,800
Yeah, it was Argentina.
Where we sent all the Nazis

1027
01:00:43,800 –> 01:00:47,500
where we sent Tupac, you know,
that I have dreamed of riding a,

1028
01:00:47,500 –> 01:00:52,100
sitcom that just takes place in
Argentina with nothing but like

1029
01:00:52,100 –> 01:00:54,000
celebrities, who fake their
deaths.

1030
01:00:54,000 –> 01:00:59,200
Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s Elvis and
JFK this is Bubba.

1031
01:00:59,200 –> 01:01:02,500
Hotep, basically JFK jr.
JFK jr.

1032
01:01:02,700 –> 01:01:05,500
Ya know, Elvis killed JFK, so it
couldn’t be JFK.

1033
01:01:05,700 –> 01:01:08,200
Are right?
That’s why it’s a national

1034
01:01:08,200 –> 01:01:11,600
security matter that he be in
JFK.

1035
01:01:11,600 –> 01:01:16,700
Jr.
Is coming back to exposed QA,

1036
01:01:16,700 –> 01:01:19,600
it’s, and it’s still this and
JFK jr.

1037
01:01:19,600 –> 01:01:24,100
And like, Marilyn Monroe, and a
bunch of The Boys from Brazil

1038
01:01:24,100 –> 01:01:27,900
and like, those kinds of things.
There’s all I wanted out book.

1039
01:01:27,900 –> 01:01:30,600
I just imagine a red.
Yeah, Elvis hanging out with a

1040
01:01:30,600 –> 01:01:34,000
bunch of Hitler.
Clones like that, be so funny

1041
01:01:35,000 –> 01:01:41,000
fucking Mangala died in Paraguay
yeah we’ve talked so much about

1042
01:01:41,300 –> 01:01:43,100
South America.
Now yeah we did.

1043
01:01:44,600 –> 01:01:47,700
Hey, speaking of mangala, let’s
talk about a conspiracy.

1044
01:01:47,700 –> 01:01:52,100
I think we’ll close out on one.
I think the most believable sure

1045
01:01:52,100 –> 01:01:57,200
theory about what happened at
Roswell in 2011 Area 51 in

1046
01:01:57,200 –> 01:02:01,300
uncensored, history of America’s
top, secret military base was

1047
01:02:01,300 –> 01:02:05,100
published by journalist Annie
Jacobson, it features claims

1048
01:02:05,100 –> 01:02:09,700
connecting As well to SS officer
and Doctor.

1049
01:02:09,700 –> 01:02:12,900
Sure don’t please refer to him
as dr.

1050
01:02:12,900 –> 01:02:15,500
Not mr.
Was also you, he worked very

1051
01:02:15,500 –> 01:02:18,300
hard for his degree from Evil
medical school.

1052
01:02:18,300 –> 01:02:20,800
That’s where dr.
Evil got the idea.

1053
01:02:22,000 –> 01:02:25,500
Josef Mengele yes, aka the angel
of death.

1054
01:02:25,500 –> 01:02:29,100
Okay.
Her body has a name if he

1055
01:02:29,100 –> 01:02:33,000
nicknamed her book suggested
that Roswell was actually the

1056
01:02:33,000 –> 01:02:35,500
result of Mengele being
recruited.

1057
01:02:35,600 –> 01:02:41,300
By Stalin to create quote,
grotesque child-sized aviators

1058
01:02:41,700 –> 01:02:45,900
to Pilot and aircraft that would
land in America and cause a War

1059
01:02:45,900 –> 01:02:50,200
of the Worlds, like hysteria,
which I love this Theory so

1060
01:02:50,200 –> 01:02:51,900
much.
Because here’s the thing, the

1061
01:02:51,900 –> 01:02:55,500
idea of Mengele be in like you
want me to build child-sized

1062
01:02:55,500 –> 01:02:57,000
aviators.
Yeah.

1063
01:02:57,100 –> 01:02:57,900
Okay.
Yeah.

1064
01:02:57,908 –> 01:02:59,000
Sure.
Have have.

1065
01:02:59,000 –> 01:03:02,200
All my dreams just come true.
I loved it because that’s what

1066
01:03:02,200 –> 01:03:04,700
kind of guy he was.
That’s that’s the most

1067
01:03:04,700 –> 01:03:07,800
believable ass.
Act of this story is that Josef

1068
01:03:07,800 –> 01:03:14,400
Mengele would 100% be into that
kind of idea, 100%.

1069
01:03:14,500 –> 01:03:18,100
However, I would I would, you
know, maybe dispute that, you

1070
01:03:18,100 –> 01:03:18,700
know.
I don’t know.

1071
01:03:18,700 –> 01:03:23,600
That Stalin was like super hyped
on Nazis after World War Two.

1072
01:03:24,600 –> 01:03:27,500
He was like, yeah, huge fan of
them.

1073
01:03:27,500 –> 01:03:29,400
Yeah.
We were the Nazi fans.

1074
01:03:29,400 –> 01:03:34,100
After World War Two was he was
the Nazi fan before WWII and

1075
01:03:34,100 –> 01:03:38,100
like during part of it, and then
they had a breakup a real bad

1076
01:03:38,100 –> 01:03:45,200
breakup where Hitler invaded its
Western Front and you know stuff

1077
01:03:52,900 –> 01:03:58,800
he started drinking again more
and so you know it was just bad

1078
01:03:58,800 –> 01:04:05,300
times and this this actually
speaks more to me as being

1079
01:04:05,300 –> 01:04:09,500
another Maybe government
disinformation thing because

1080
01:04:09,500 –> 01:04:15,100
that’s another theory that comes
up in those early CIA UFO files.

1081
01:04:15,400 –> 01:04:20,900
There’s this one guy who is just
firing off letters to the CIA

1082
01:04:20,900 –> 01:04:24,900
constantly being like, hey, I
think you’re faking all this UFO

1083
01:04:24,900 –> 01:04:27,100
shit.
So you can cause hysteria in the

1084
01:04:27,107 –> 01:04:28,800
United States.
Sure.

1085
01:04:28,900 –> 01:04:32,200
But throughout all those files,
you see them being like, is this

1086
01:04:32,200 –> 01:04:35,300
Russia.
It’s like Russia didn’t have

1087
01:04:35,300 –> 01:04:36,800
this.
Kind of money at the end of

1088
01:04:36,800 –> 01:04:42,200
World War Two, or absolutely.
Not like they weren’t and it I

1089
01:04:42,200 –> 01:04:47,100
think this story especially
reeks of being CIA

1090
01:04:47,100 –> 01:04:50,500
misinformation.
Yeah, I mean, or just extremely

1091
01:04:50,500 –> 01:04:52,000
bad sci-fi.
Yeah.

1092
01:04:52,000 –> 01:04:56,000
It’s it’s a wild Theory and like
did they listen to War of the

1093
01:04:56,000 –> 01:04:59,800
Worlds that involved?
Aliens like killing piano

1094
01:04:59,800 –> 01:05:01,000
blowing shit up.
Yeah.

1095
01:05:01,000 –> 01:05:03,700
And like an actual Invasion
gotta do some really good.

1096
01:05:03,700 –> 01:05:07,200
One craft Clash.
Crashing in the desert is going

1097
01:05:07,200 –> 01:05:08,400
to freak us out?
Yeah.

1098
01:05:08,500 –> 01:05:11,400
Oh they got struck by lightning
and they crashed.

1099
01:05:11,400 –> 01:05:13,600
Oh that’s not really that scary.
I don’t know that.

1100
01:05:13,600 –> 01:05:15,200
That’s gonna cause a panic.
Yeah.

1101
01:05:16,100 –> 01:05:18,200
Yeah.
Oh you don’t need us to shoot

1102
01:05:18,200 –> 01:05:21,800
anything boring.
No, thank you cares but I don’t

1103
01:05:21,800 –> 01:05:26,600
know.
Yeah, I this is I know I’m gonna

1104
01:05:26,600 –> 01:05:29,400
go ahead and come out and say
for certain that this is a bunch

1105
01:05:29,400 –> 01:05:33,300
of bullshit that there’s no way
that this is the explanation.

1106
01:05:33,600 –> 01:05:37,300
Oh I want it to be though.
Be extremely like, but the

1107
01:05:37,300 –> 01:05:40,400
problem is, if it’s real, we
don’t get to hear like the

1108
01:05:40,400 –> 01:05:44,800
conversations that led up to the
execution of the plan.

1109
01:05:44,800 –> 01:05:47,800
You know, I just would love to
hear the drunk phone calls

1110
01:05:47,800 –> 01:05:54,800
between Stalin and mangala where
he’s like, no, they’re gonna be

1111
01:05:54,900 –> 01:06:00,000
the size of children, but
they’re gonna like be mangled, a

1112
01:06:00,000 –> 01:06:01,700
won’t be able.
They will beat.

1113
01:06:01,700 –> 01:06:04,200
You can use children, I guess if
you want.

1114
01:06:04,200 –> 01:06:08,000
But they gotta be a The fly this
thing and I’ll know if a kid’s

1115
01:06:08,000 –> 01:06:13,200
gonna be able to handle that.
So oh no matter what knowledge,

1116
01:06:14,200 –> 01:06:17,600
which one was speaking there?
Yeah.

1117
01:06:17,600 –> 01:06:20,500
I was either one.
Yeah matter been either one, one

1118
01:06:20,500 –> 01:06:21,400
of the other.
Yeah.

1119
01:06:21,400 –> 01:06:23,100
I think we can agree.
This is the most believable

1120
01:06:23,100 –> 01:06:24,000
Theory.
But yeah.

1121
01:06:24,000 –> 01:06:26,000
Absolutely.
That’s kind of it.

1122
01:06:26,000 –> 01:06:28,400
When it comes to Rob, this
actually, this episode is longer

1123
01:06:28,400 –> 01:06:30,100
than I expected.
Yeah, that is.

1124
01:06:30,100 –> 01:06:32,200
There’s nothing looks and
crannies in there.

1125
01:06:32,200 –> 01:06:36,100
We might might do a bonus
episode about The Marcel

1126
01:06:36,100 –> 01:06:38,900
Diaries.
Yeah because way later on there

1127
01:06:38,900 –> 01:06:44,400
was this diary that was written
by Jesse Marcel that his kids.

1128
01:06:44,500 –> 01:06:47,900
I think found and read which
rude, who are you?

1129
01:06:47,900 –> 01:06:52,400
Courtney Love.
And it allegedly contains, all

1130
01:06:52,400 –> 01:06:55,900
these coded references to what
happened at Roswell.

1131
01:06:55,900 –> 01:06:58,400
Which on the one hand is
interesting, but on the other

1132
01:06:58,400 –> 01:07:01,300
hand, he said everything in
several interviews.

1133
01:07:01,300 –> 01:07:04,100
Yes, that’s the thing.
Yeah, like I would like to watch

1134
01:07:04,100 –> 01:07:06,200
this.
I would definitely be Student

1135
01:07:06,200 –> 01:07:10,000
and watching this and maybe
talking about it but just like,

1136
01:07:10,000 –> 01:07:14,800
you know, first impressions.
I’m generally skeptical of

1137
01:07:14,800 –> 01:07:20,200
these, like, long-lost Unearthed
diary stories, you know?

1138
01:07:20,400 –> 01:07:22,700
Yeah.
They just they always seemed a

1139
01:07:22,707 –> 01:07:25,500
little too good to be true, you
know.

1140
01:07:25,600 –> 01:07:26,800
Yeah.
And we know there are people out

1141
01:07:26,800 –> 01:07:29,200
there capable of forging.
Oh yeah, like that.

1142
01:07:29,200 –> 01:07:31,800
Absolutely.
Especially since I mean who

1143
01:07:31,800 –> 01:07:35,400
knows what kind of like
documentation there is of his

1144
01:07:35,500 –> 01:07:40,600
Handwriting, you know, and like
just any sort of way to verify

1145
01:07:40,600 –> 01:07:43,200
that this is like a real
document that seems like it

1146
01:07:43,207 –> 01:07:46,800
would be hard to prove, but I
would love to, I would love to

1147
01:07:46,800 –> 01:07:50,600
like really get into what is
inside them and you know, it

1148
01:07:50,600 –> 01:07:51,800
might be real.
Who knows.

1149
01:07:51,900 –> 01:07:54,200
Yeah, maybe we’ll do an episode
about.

1150
01:07:54,200 –> 01:07:57,400
We could maybe we could combine
it with the with the movie, The

1151
01:07:57,400 –> 01:08:00,300
Roswell movie.
Hell yeah, the Roswell movie or

1152
01:08:00,300 –> 01:08:03,200
the McPherson tapes or that, or
maybe all of them, who knows?

1153
01:08:03,200 –> 01:08:05,100
We can that we got a bunch of
alien movies.

1154
01:08:05,600 –> 01:08:09,600
Nine our alien documentary, all
the Earth on?

1155
01:08:09,600 –> 01:08:13,500
Yeah, yeah, I watched all the
Wayans brothers.

1156
01:08:13,500 –> 01:08:16,500
Movies in a day podcast like
Gods.

1157
01:08:17,399 –> 01:08:19,200
Oh no.
Are you okay?

1158
01:08:19,899 –> 01:08:23,399
It was intense.
Jesus Christ that could like

1159
01:08:23,399 –> 01:08:24,600
kill you.
Yeah.

1160
01:08:24,800 –> 01:08:26,300
That was a lot of fucking
movies.

1161
01:08:26,399 –> 01:08:28,700
Yeah.
And like, I like a gay like to

1162
01:08:28,700 –> 01:08:31,300
get through all this in a day.
Like a third of them are

1163
01:08:31,399 –> 01:08:34,600
probably good.
Like yeah, yeah about that.

1164
01:08:34,600 –> 01:08:37,000
Jesus not Another Teen Movie is
still great.

1165
01:08:37,000 –> 01:08:39,899
That movie is surprisingly
great.

1166
01:08:39,899 –> 01:08:43,300
Like it’s really good.
Also one of Chris Evans best

1167
01:08:43,300 –> 01:08:46,600
performances early especially in
his early years.

1168
01:08:46,700 –> 01:08:51,000
Yeah the Janie’s Got a Gun so
that yeah, that’s a scene.

1169
01:08:51,000 –> 01:08:55,399
I think about every time I hear
that song so you know it’s got

1170
01:08:55,399 –> 01:08:58,800
that going for it.
Oh that joke would never happen

1171
01:08:58,800 –> 01:09:02,500
in a movie now.
So it would yeah my it just

1172
01:09:02,500 –> 01:09:05,399
wouldn’t because it’s been done.
Like yeah.

1173
01:09:06,100 –> 01:09:09,300
That’s true.
So check out Not Another Teen

1174
01:09:09,300 –> 01:09:14,300
Movie, obviously, that’s the
main takeaway Olivia.

1175
01:09:14,300 –> 01:09:16,300
Do you have anything to plug
before we get out of here?

1176
01:09:16,600 –> 01:09:22,399
You can find me on Twitter and
twitch at high a bear hide our

1177
01:09:24,000 –> 01:09:27,399
and that is basically it for me
right now.

1178
01:09:28,500 –> 01:09:32,800
You can subscribe to conspiracy
The Show by itself on patreon or

1179
01:09:32,800 –> 01:09:37,200
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Yeah, A tree on.com on pops or

1180
01:09:37,200 –> 01:09:40,399
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1181
01:09:40,399 –> 01:09:42,700
if you want to subscribe to our
other podcasts you can go do

1182
01:09:42,700 –> 01:09:43,500
that.
Yeah.

1183
01:09:43,700 –> 01:09:45,200
You jerks.
Yeah.

1184
01:09:45,600 –> 01:09:46,399
You jerk.
Yeah.

1185
01:09:46,399 –> 01:09:48,600
Do it.
That’s how you get people to

1186
01:09:48,600 –> 01:09:51,600
subscribe jerks.
It’s that enough.

1187
01:09:51,800 –> 01:09:55,200
Reverse psychology right?
MK Ultra shift.

1188
01:09:55,200 –> 01:09:56,900
There we go.
It’s Pearcy.

1189
01:09:56,900 –> 01:09:59,700
Hey yeah so I think that’s it.
Lets get out of here.

1190
01:09:59,700 –> 01:10:02,200
Olivia say goodbye, goodbye
goodbye.

1191
01:10:02,200 –> 01:10:03,300
Everybody love you.