Conspiracy! The Show 156: The CIA UFO Files: Psychological Warfare

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I went through the transparent,
this whole upper chest.

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Hey everybody, Welcome to
conspiracy the show.

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I’m Adam, Todd Brown joining me
as special guest co-host this

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week.
Who are you?

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Hi, I’m Andy Andy.
Yeah, there it is.

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Andy cell is here.
You will know why I addressed

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him.
That way, if you listen to pod

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the life or heart-shaped pod or
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the other me, music related
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shape.
Oh oh my God if we forgot three

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dollar pot.
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Oh yeah we forgot the the
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best one, the Limp Biscuit three
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You don’t have to like any of
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What you’re tuning in for is
just the natural raw chemistry

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between myself and decel and
Travis Clark who, if I’m being

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honest we should have had Travis
on this 2000.

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I look Any time we’re talking
and Travis isn’t here, I feel

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the absence, you know what I
mean?

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We’ll get him on one of these
because he’s a UFO guy, right?

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I mean, he has to be right.
He goes to the desert so fucking

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much.
He’s got to be UFOs at the

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Joshua Tree.
He drives a Tesla, he listens to

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Queens of the Stone Age.
Like if he’s not a UFO guy, I

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don’t know who he is.
He drives a Tesla.

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Yeah, doesn’t he?
Wow, I don’t know.

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I mean I know we haven’t talked
to him in a while.

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I haven’t see him.
Talk to anyone in years.

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So we’re doing a very special
episode.

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There’s Is actually going to be
a bunch of these episodes, but

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unlike the Jonestown thing or
the Paul wellstone series, I’m

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not going to do them all back to
back because honestly I get kind

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of bored after like seven or
eight episodes about the exact

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same thing.
I need to mix it up and there’s

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just so much of this.
There is so much I mentioned on

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an episode of unpopular opinion
a couple weeks ago that as part

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of the most recent covid
stimulus.

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Bill, it was demanded that all
of our intelligence agencies we

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have Seen.
By the way, people, all of our

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intelligence agencies, have to
release whatever files they have

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on UFOs and Against All Odds.
The first to the Finish Line.

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Probably, because there’s no
way.

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This is all of their files, the
CIA.

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Well, hey winner winner chicken
dinner, CIA.

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Come on down.
I did a bar show once and they

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had a winner winner chicken
dinner on the menu and also a

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winner winner chicken sandwich.
I thought that was funny.

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How do you tell the difference?
I mean obviously wasn’t there,

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And which, but like, it was just
funny, I don’t know.

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But uh, by the way, I do want to
say, also real quick, I love

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that episode.
I loved it.

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Oh yeah, anytime I get to listen
to Joe and Olivia it’s a great

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day.
Yeah, it was it was a very good

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episode and we briefly touched
on some of what we’re talking

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about which is those CIA.
UFO files, anybody shocked by

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the CIA being the one with the
most.

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Oh no.
Not at all.

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And there the weirdest I
guarantee no matter what we get

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from any of these other.
Diligence or law enforcement

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agencies.
These are going to be the

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strangest files because it’s the
CIA they’re like they’re the

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secret lab intelligence agency.
They’re the ones that go down

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and bunkers and do weird shit
and see what pans out.

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So of course they’re going to
have, they’re the ones that

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weird higher fo Nazis after
World War Two as well.

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So a Nazi basically founded the
CIA.

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And at the CIA has launched,
they were about 50/50 SS and

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American off.
Office of strategic

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intelligence.
I think was the precursor to the

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CIA.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
The OSI who are mentioned the

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OSI thinking these documents
which is fun, come up a lot, I

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mentioned on that on pops
episode that I haven’t read

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every one of these documents
word for word, but I have at

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least looked at every document
and I have them arranged in

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folders by like topic and then
when you get inside the topic

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there’s like Subfolders I have
one for sightings.

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It’s there’s a lot to dive into,
there’s so much and there’s also

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like these documents are also,
like full of proper nouns.

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So yeah.
Any time one of those comes up,

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I’m just like, you know, I’m old
enough that I have had to do

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research without the internet
but also my Wikipedia diseased,

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brain is like trying to click on
proper nouns in these documents

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like okay.
So number right in them down

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like I gotta look these people
up I got to figure out.

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Yeah.
Like who was Captain EJ?

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What belt and what was he doing
at right field, man, I’m going

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to find out.
Yeah, there’s even one of the

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episodes were going to do.
I think, actually the next

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episode in this series, at least
we’re going to talk about the

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two people that these files seem
to be the most concerned with,

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which are a guy named dr.
Leon Davidson, and guy named,

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Major Daniel, Kehoe of the US
Marine Corps and those two

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really got under the cia’s craw
in the 40s and 50s.

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It’s fascinating and these
files, it’s kind of hard to make

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sense of them.
Like, if you read them, they

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kind of go in chronological
order.

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But, you know, just be bits and
pieces of things that are in

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some documents.
It’s like that memory game where

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you flip over the card and you
get.

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Okay.
The grapes are there?

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Okay.
Grapes aren’t there but the

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grapes are there.
I’m going to look for the

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greater grapes.
A lot of times with documents

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like this, this isn’t where the
context is right now.

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It’s kind of, you have to know
what you’re looking.

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Or sometimes with these things
because these guys like they

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weren’t putting the context in
documents for the most part like

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they would, you know, they would
have their meetings that I don’t

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know, whatever the Langley
equivalent of the hellfire club

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is there.
Another drinking scotch and

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smoking like, you know,
confiscated cigars from Cuba.

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Like just talking about like,
hey, I mean, although this is

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before that but like, hey, I
don’t know Wes.

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I got that.
I got that paper yet.

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Your girl sent to my girl and
looking over it.

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I don’t know what it means.
And then, you know, West is

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like, well, Tom, okay, let me
just explain.

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So, you know, like last weekend
when we were hunting those, you

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know, homeless teenagers, you
know, with those crossbows that

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Craig got the good deal on, you
know, he was talking about like,

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what we need, we need more fear,
we need people to be more

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afraid, you know?
I’m not a big picture guy, okay?

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Like I don’t know how to make
that happen per se, I’m not

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invested in the endgame really
but you know, my little thing is

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I can kind of help make people
afraid and I was just, you know,

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It’s watching some UFO movies
and you know, they scared the

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shit out of my kids.
So you know I think we can apply

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this to the they they talked
context in like meetings, right?

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Didn’t leave Paper Trails for
context, a lot of the time.

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Yeah.
That is what we’re talking about

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is how in those early days.
The the CIA was really

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interested.
Not so much in what these things

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people were seeing in the sky
were, but how could we use them

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for our Own benefit.
How can we manipulate and

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control them?
And basically they wanted to use

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them for psychological warfare
which is we’ll get to it.

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But that’s a very interesting
detail given the history of

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conspiracy theories since then
it’s also funny how it gets

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there.
Kind of to.

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Yeah but even before that it’s
really obvious from these files

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that are first thought upon
seeing flying saucers and UFOs

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was oh shit, this is probably
Russia.

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We Were obsessed with the idea
that this was Russia.

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I mean, it was the fifth,
everything rushd, it was, well,

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Russia has evil.
So if there’s something we don’t

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know about their probably behind
it, it was just like, constant

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Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia,
you know, like the Brady Bunch.

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I mean, that’s why we teamed up
with the Nazis in the first

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place was because we had a
common enemy in Russia.

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Is our show Russia.
Yeah, so interestingly, one of

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the things we seem to be
especially worried about Times,

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when Russia didn’t talk about
UFOs because we have course,

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monitored.
And I say, when I say we, I mean

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the CIA, but it’s going to get,
it’s going to wear you out if I

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just keep saying the CIA over
and over.

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So, I understand I’m talking
about America and I say we,

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yeah, well, in the for this
first, document wasn’t even

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really about the CIA.
It was about the that Air Force

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office to well, which one the so
it was the what is it?

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The are technical Intelligence
Center.

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Oh, right field, that was Like
just this small, I mean the the

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whole first document that you
showed me is kind of like, you

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know, it’s mostly just like, all
right.

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We’re getting a lot of these
calls that the only people

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taking these calls is this small
office run by like five people

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and this guys are reserved so
it’s not even like you know

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anybody’s looped in and my
favorite part of that too, was

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the guy.
What’s his name?

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Yeah, Captain EJ, ruppelt,
repelled, yeah.

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Like I did add, I have stuff
about that in the notes but I

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added more documents at the top.
So I’ll shoot right now, we’re

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talking about 22.
Wow, Rock.

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Sorry my bad.
There’s one document.

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It’s the the second link will
link to all of these.

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You can download them.
And well this is really redacted

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one, right?
It’s SuperDuper adapted and

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there’s one paragraph at the end
of page 3.

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The only section that’s not
redacted and it’s about a

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discussion that someone who’s
obviously a CIA asset or

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informant or agent is talking to
an employee at the u.s. forecast

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Center and it Kind of seems like
they both work there because he

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says on one occasion is how this
story starts, which makes it

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seem like there have been
several conversations and like

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no one’s just loitering around
the u.s. forecast Center and not

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my girlfriend works there.
I’m like, just hanging out there

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all the time.
I don’t trust her, I set out in

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car.
Look, she’s got this guy, this

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guy Mitch who works with her and
she says he’s gay, but I don’t

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know, I don’t know.
I think he’s trying something.

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So, Whatever the case, the
conversation is just him asking

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this other employee, if they’ve
ever had to deal with UFO,

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sightings and he replies that at
one point, two departments which

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names of which are both
redacted.

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Had been plagued with calls and
questions about UFO sightings,

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but that the calls stopped and
half-jokingly, that was a quote

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half-jokingly surmise that
someone must have made a

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political decision that UFOs
were not to be cited anymore.

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And for some reason that last
sentence This is underlined,

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right?
And that’s the kind of shit you

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have to look for exactly.
Those are the things that are

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like, oh wait, this seems pretty
dry.

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But what, whoa, what is this?
Yeah, what are why is that

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underlying like that?
Because if you just look at

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these documents as individual
things, most of them won’t make

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any sense.
But you have to fish around for

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those little Clues like that
because early on, we were able

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to explain like 70% of the UFO.
That came our way, but that

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still leaves like, 30% that we
couldn’t explain and right from

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the beginning.
There is zero suspicion that

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this is aliens.
You don’t see aliens mentioned

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anywhere in these early
documents, and it could just be

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because they’re about UFOs, but
it’s also mostly about Russia.

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Like it is all Russia at first
and the thing that comes up

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later is what they were
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And when we get Into the report
that Andy mentioned earlier.

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One of the things they are
worried about is this idea that

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Russia was doing this?
And that’s why they weren’t

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talking about it in the Press we
felt like if this was being done

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to the United States by someone
who wasn’t Russia Russia would

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be in the media making fun of us
about it but yeah they’re not

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yeah that’s the thing because
they’re not like stupid

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Americans baffled by impressive
Soviet ship or whatever like

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yeah it’s like oh Then.
That’s fishy.

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Yeah.
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they do have a lot of Russian
newspaper reports and whatnot in

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these files and they do take
some swipes at us.

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Andy, I’m not going to lie, not
come on, they love us.

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Why, why would they one of the
earliest?

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And Most Fascinating documents
is a newspaper report that

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appears to have been published
in Greece, France, and maybe

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Iran.
It just says Persian and It’s

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about how the Nazis started
designing flying saucers in 1941

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and by 1945 they were ready to
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as the war was coming to an end
they realize they were going to

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lose.
So they ordered all of these

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plans and documents about UFOs
to be destroyed but those orders

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didn’t get to one of these labs
in time and the Soviets were

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able to get those documents and
they had been working on

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building flying saucers ever
since according to the Ann’s

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these crafts were capable of
flying up to 4000 kilometers per

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hour, which is two thousand four
hundred eighty five miles per

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hour at our current exchange
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I don’t know what it was back
then.

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I don’t mean to Scully your
Mulder or anything, but it does

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seem like I do want to know more
about this story.

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I just like, or one site seems,
you know?

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Oh, there’s only one site left.
Seems a little convenient.

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But, I mean, whatever I want to
like, learn more about where

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this comes from, because This is
like this is super compelling.

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It is in the, the names in it,
if you look them up through

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their real names and it’s not
presented in a sensationalist

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way, the tone of it, it doesn’t
read like The National Enquirer

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or something and it’s in the
cia’s files.

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So they wanted to save it for
some reason.

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It was in there scrapbook and it
I think it’s because they were

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worried that flying saucers were
the Russians.

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And I mean, also 2485 miles an
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Is nuts.
That is very, very fast.

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Yeah, one of the documents.
We’ll talk about on another

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episode involved plans for a UFO
that we were having Canada build

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for us and it like was supposed
to be able to climb to like

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102,000 feet and in this
document.

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They’re like yeah we’re in the
Wind Tunnel.

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Testing phase right now like
what where is that thing?

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It’s probably the stealth
bomber, right?

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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, for sure, for sure

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that’s what became the stealth
bomber.

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When I lived in Burbank, one of
those flew over my head and I

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was like, what’s happening in
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It was New Year’s Day and I
realized it was a rock and roll

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people.
The Rose Bowl that Iowa played

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at I was at the Rose Bowl that
Iowa played out against

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Stanford, fuck Stanford by the
way, and stealth bomber flew

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over and I was like wow, that
I’ve never seen one of these in

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person before we shouldn’t have.
That shouldn’t exist.

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I don’t like that.
No, that’s great – that’s alien

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stuff.
They say you’re you have alien

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stuff.
There’s a reason they hid it

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from us.
So long.

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Yeah, and also like so 47 was
Roswell, right?

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Right.
So, okay two-year window after

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like they’ve already got after
45 right.

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The Nazis were already like they
were pretty close to production.

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Yeah, and that’s it’s not like
that’s something that said only

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in this newspaper article that’s
been a, that’s been a rumor for

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a long, long time.
And well, and just the, the, the

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the Manpower and hours that
Russia could have dedicated to

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this project.
Act two years is not a crazy

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window.
No, I mean it’s ambitious but it

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doesn’t seem undoable given what
we know about.

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You know, the way that the
Soviet machine could run when it

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wanted to and like it’s funny
you’ll see in these documents at

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one point someone sends them a
letter and is like hey do you

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think UFOs like is that maybe
just a foreign government trying

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to fuck with us?
And they write back and they’re

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like no country has the
technology to be able to fly a

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plane here.
It’s like damn, really.

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And then you see other documents
where they’re like, well it’s

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acknowledged.
That Russia has the ability to

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fly here.
They want to and like they’re

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just telling people to obviously
different things.

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If you can believe that I can,
it took a minute, but I found my

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way to it.
And so yeah, when Russia stopped

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talking about UFOs in the state
media, they thought it was

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because they were the ones doing
it.

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And that’s why that fucking one
sentence.

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And that one document is
underlined but they were also

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Also worried that they were
somehow controlling or

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manipulating these sightings as
a means of fooling, the American

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public and causing chaos.
Okay, that’s one of those things

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where it’s like, all right, but
like why did you say it?

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Well not just that.
It’s a convenient cover.

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If maybe you want to start
testing UFOs.

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Yep.
For psychological warfare

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reasons.
Well yeah, you’re like Russia is

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doing it.
We got to do it.

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Because it really is just like,
I mean, it’s that kind of the

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same thing Russia to what their
state media words.

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Like don’t say it.
Don’t say it, don’t say it.

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Don’t say it.
Don’t let anybody know what we

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got.
Don’t say it, don’t say it.

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Don’t say it.
And then here, it’s like, oh

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wait.
Yeah, and that’s, that’s kind of

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the direction it goes.
Once that possibility is even

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suggested, we decide.
Yeah.

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We want to try and use these as
a psyop.

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Also in reminder, this is 1952
by this point where we make that

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decision.
So within five years of seeing

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the first UFO, So, we were like,
let’s use those to fuck with

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people still, no mention of
aliens in any of this.

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Well, that’s well, that’s the
thing, right?

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Because it’s not until later
that we start seeing all of the,

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like, UFO movies, and all of the
aliens from outer, space are

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behind flying saucers films.
And it’s almost kind of, like,

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did somebody tell Hollywood to
make these movies so that we

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wouldn’t think that we were the
ones building UFOs.

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Yeah, I mean, foreshadowing
alert, but when we talk about

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doctor, Ian Davidson that was
his theory was that the CIA

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created the UFO phenomenon for
that very reason so they could

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use it as psychological warfare
against us which that doesn’t

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sound like the CIA at all.
No they don’t do stuff like

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that.
It is funny in the documents to

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or there’s the one that’s just
like well we just need more

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resources to feel these reports
and also if they’re real, maybe

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somebody should be looking into
it, intelligence wise and then

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mmm.
Immediately, the next thing is

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like, oh man.
These could be used to cause

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Mass hysteria and panic.
Yeah.

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And then the cia’s like shut up
about it.

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Don’t say we’re involved, don’t
it’s the most out of it.

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It’s sort of like the government
like spook spy culture version

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of, you know, the Spencer’s and
Hot Topics Executives going to

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like punk shows to find out what
the kids are into.

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Yeah, because there’s even a
quote right in one of these.

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That’s like it’s a field already
charged with partisanship.

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Ship in which objectivity had
been overridden by numerous

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Sensational writers.
It’s like, they’re, they’re kind

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of telegraphing.
They’re yeah, they’re like, oh,

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this is a field where
everybody’s kind of crazy, so

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maybe that’s a thing.
Yeah, and it obviously

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partisanship means it.
Divides people.

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And boy, do government’s, love
dividing their populous.

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In order to control them turns
out.

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They didn’t need aliens to do
it.

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They just needed fucking Rush
Limbaugh.

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God basically,
There’s three documents in

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particular that people should
read.

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Actually only need to read one
of them.

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The other two are kind of
redundant but they’re all about

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this report that the CIA sent to
the director of the

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psychological strategy board
about flying saucers.

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What is that there are so many
acronyms in here and so many

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like I said, just proper nouns
and offices.

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Like there’s even what like,
right there’s the you

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unidentified flying.
This section of the aircraft and

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propulsion.
Branch of the technical analysis

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division of the are technical
Intelligence Center, and it’s

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just like, wait, that is a whole
lot.

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It’s so much and that’s not even
the yeah.

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When you start saying things
like psychological strategic.

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Yeah, that’s one of the creepy
things about the CIA is, it’s so

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compartmentalised like not only
will they not tell us what

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they’re doing, but if your
Hanging out in the CIA

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cafeteria, they’re not being
buddy, buddy and telling each

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other what’s going on in their
respective, departments know if

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you work there, you don’t know
what’s going on.

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Yeah.
Like you don’t really get guy,

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probably get prison shanked.
If you ask someone what they’re

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working on and yeah, probably
someone who works at the CIA has

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been directed to kill someone
else who works at the CIA, like

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from the next fucking cubicle.
Like it’s, yeah.

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What are you?
What are you here?

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Working on?
This is a pretty huge

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coincidence, but Shoots the guy
in the face.

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That’s what I was here for.
Can you believe it that’s for

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putting fish in the microwave?
Also, in addition to it being my

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job, that is a pretty heinous
transgression.

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Putting fish on Garth microwave,
all your monster.

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Yeah, literally die.
So, this is how right off the

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bat.
This is how this report that we

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sent to these psychological
strategy board from the CIA.

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This is how it kicks off.
I am today, transmitting to the

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National Security Council, a
proposal In which it is

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concluded that the problems
connected with unidentified

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flying objects appear to have
implications for psychological

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warfare as well as for
intelligence and operations.

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That is signed by Walter B Smith
who was the director of the CIA

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at the time.
Yeah.

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And that again that’s another
one of those things where it’s

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like oh that name.
Okay.

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That’s I mean it’s like you can
maybe step back and say well

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it’s the CIA so literally
everything they’re going to talk

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about is going to have these
Implications right?

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Like also it could you never
know like this could just be a

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guy being like man I haven’t
done a lot of work this week if

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I don’t come out with some
report they’re going to yell at

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me.
So let me just see what I can

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bullshit you know and maybe it
is a case of Like Walter beat

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Smith just signs fucking
everything there you know.

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So maybe it doesn’t mean
anything but I don’t know, it

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feels like it does.
It’s a 20-page memorandum exact,

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there’s a lot of detail in it
and some of those pages are It’s

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but it’s like 15 or 16 Pages.
It’s one of the longest

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documents in this thing and it
goes into a bunch of detail

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about how at the time our entire
body of research in the UFOs

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consisted of a three-man
department at the Air Force, who

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was handling every call, every
inquiry, every sighting.

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And the CIA was like, hey, we
should be doing a little more

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than that.
What do you think we’ll cause?

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00:23:32,800 –> 00:23:36,000
Yeah, it’s that division, right?
That’s Like the three people.

432
00:23:36,000 –> 00:23:37,600
Yeah.
So they’re like, we need to put

433
00:23:37,600 –> 00:23:39,500
more into this.
We need a worldwide system, the

434
00:23:39,500 –> 00:23:41,300
Air Force.
Yeah, and that’s when the CIA in

435
00:23:41,300 –> 00:23:43,900
this report is like, you know,
the Air Force is changing their

436
00:23:43,900 –> 00:23:47,700
process for this, but we feel
like we should do it right?

437
00:23:47,700 –> 00:23:49,400
And even that guy, that worked
there.

438
00:23:49,400 –> 00:23:52,200
Rough bolt was like, I don’t
think intelligence needs to have

439
00:23:52,200 –> 00:23:54,100
their hands on this.
I think that this is an

440
00:23:54,100 –> 00:23:56,400
operations concern.
The CIA was like wait, no, give

441
00:23:56,400 –> 00:23:57,400
us.
That gimme.

442
00:23:57,400 –> 00:24:00,100
Gimme gimme.
And it’s really interesting.

443
00:24:00,100 –> 00:24:03,000
We’ll talk a little bit at the
end of this about, there’s this

444
00:24:03,000 –> 00:24:07,700
1953 report.
Comes out that the CIA ends up

445
00:24:07,700 –> 00:24:12,100
wanting part of it classified.
And as that fight to get this

446
00:24:12,100 –> 00:24:15,000
one section of this report,
Declassified carried on

447
00:24:15,100 –> 00:24:16,900
eventually, it was the Air
Force.

448
00:24:17,000 –> 00:24:20,800
Who sued the CIA was like, you
have to declassify that and they

449
00:24:20,808 –> 00:24:24,500
finally did, we’ll talk about.
It is a creepy couple of lines

450
00:24:24,900 –> 00:24:28,000
of text.
I do kind of like that story

451
00:24:28,000 –> 00:24:30,600
that tug of war where it’s like,
you know, it’s just, I can’t

452
00:24:30,600 –> 00:24:33,400
full of people at the Air Force
or like, I don’t know, I don’t

453
00:24:33,400 –> 00:24:35,700
know these guys.
Should have this.

454
00:24:35,700 –> 00:24:38,800
Yeah, that when I first was
reading through these, this is

455
00:24:38,800 –> 00:24:42,300
one of the things that any time
that report came up, I read all

456
00:24:42,300 –> 00:24:44,200
of whatever they were talking
about.

457
00:24:44,300 –> 00:24:48,200
And that particular story, it
plays out like a movie, like

458
00:24:48,200 –> 00:24:50,900
there’s characters who get
involved and there’s these

459
00:24:50,900 –> 00:24:52,900
moments where it seems like
they’re going to get it

460
00:24:52,900 –> 00:24:55,000
Declassified.
And then they finally do and

461
00:24:55,000 –> 00:24:56,800
you’re like, oh fuck.
Yeah.

462
00:24:57,900 –> 00:25:00,000
I want all those people are
probably dead now.

463
00:25:00,100 –> 00:25:01,400
Alright.
Yeah.

464
00:25:01,400 –> 00:25:03,700
Timothy Olyphant is in the
movie.

465
00:25:03,700 –> 00:25:06,600
Playing the guy that gets
Declassified great.

466
00:25:06,700 –> 00:25:11,500
So it also talks a lot about
something called Phantoms which

467
00:25:11,500 –> 00:25:14,400
are exactly what they sound like
fake UFOs.

468
00:25:14,400 –> 00:25:19,000
Be it a machine designed to act
like a UFO that’s really just

469
00:25:19,000 –> 00:25:22,500
something Russia built or things
that are projected in the sky

470
00:25:22,500 –> 00:25:25,100
and we were really interested in
those.

471
00:25:25,200 –> 00:25:28,500
Yeah again it’s one of those
things that it could read like

472
00:25:28,900 –> 00:25:30,100
maybe they’re just trying to
say.

473
00:25:30,100 –> 00:25:32,800
We need to separate the good
reports from the bullshit or

474
00:25:32,800 –> 00:25:36,400
maybe they’re trying to say
like, hey, Hey, we should get

475
00:25:36,400 –> 00:25:39,600
some Phantoms.
Yeah, we were, we were worried

476
00:25:39,600 –> 00:25:43,400
about them in one way or another
because there is this quote,

477
00:25:43,400 –> 00:25:48,100
from the recommendations in that
memorandum, taking immediate

478
00:25:48,100 –> 00:25:51,300
steps to improve identification,
of phantoms.

479
00:25:51,400 –> 00:25:55,200
So that in the event of attack,
instant and positive

480
00:25:55,300 –> 00:25:59,700
identification of enemy Rockets
or plans could be made.

481
00:25:59,800 –> 00:26:02,800
And that on its own is kind of
like well it could be you know

482
00:26:02,800 –> 00:26:04,700
what we need to know what, we
can’t be shooting it.

483
00:26:04,900 –> 00:26:07,300
My grams, right?
Like we want to know what the

484
00:26:07,300 –> 00:26:09,800
real thing is in case because
because this will muddy the

485
00:26:09,800 –> 00:26:13,900
waters, but then the next thing.
But then, there’s also, this

486
00:26:13,900 –> 00:26:15,600
line is this what you were
talking about?

487
00:26:15,600 –> 00:26:17,600
Yes.
As far as what happens next.

488
00:26:18,400 –> 00:26:22,400
There’s this line also about
Phantoms and this is another of

489
00:26:22,400 –> 00:26:27,000
their suggestions, determination
of what if any utilization

490
00:26:27,000 –> 00:26:30,600
should be made of these
phenomena, by us psychological

491
00:26:30,600 –> 00:26:36,000
warfare planners and what if any
defenses should be planned in

492
00:26:36,000 –> 00:26:41,300
anticipation of Soviet attempts
to utilize them and they take it

493
00:26:41,308 –> 00:26:44,900
a little bit further and talk
about all of the problems, the

494
00:26:44,900 –> 00:26:48,700
intelligence Community is facing
at the time in regards to UFOs

495
00:26:48,700 –> 00:26:51,600
and specifically, they were
worried about their lack of

496
00:26:51,600 –> 00:26:55,000
knowledge in the following areas
whether any of these phenomena

497
00:26:55,000 –> 00:26:58,300
are susceptible to control and
can be thus used either for

498
00:26:58,300 –> 00:27:02,600
military or psychological
offense or defense, whether any

499
00:27:02,600 –> 00:27:07,600
are predictable and can thus
Taken advantage of in military

500
00:27:07,600 –> 00:27:11,300
or psychological operations, the
present level of Russian

501
00:27:11,300 –> 00:27:14,500
knowledge regarding these
phenomena possible, Soviet

502
00:27:14,500 –> 00:27:18,400
intentions and capabilities to
utilize these phenomena to the

503
00:27:18,400 –> 00:27:20,800
detriment of US, security
interests.

504
00:27:21,200 –> 00:27:25,200
And the last one, the reasons
for silence in the Soviet press

505
00:27:25,200 –> 00:27:29,700
regarding flying saucers.
So why weren’t flying saucers

506
00:27:29,700 –> 00:27:31,500
visiting Russia.
Hmm.

507
00:27:31,500 –> 00:27:34,500
Yeah, it’s funny because also
none of these reports as far as

508
00:27:34,500 –> 00:27:36,300
I know.
Oh, mentioned were the world’s

509
00:27:36,300 –> 00:27:38,400
which is Mike?
I mean, that’s kind of a

510
00:27:38,408 –> 00:27:40,800
microcosmic case study right to
Adam.

511
00:27:40,800 –> 00:27:43,200
Yeah, for sure I get me, you
know, didn’t freak out the whole

512
00:27:43,200 –> 00:27:47,200
nation, the way people think it
did, but it was something and,

513
00:27:47,200 –> 00:27:49,700
you know, this is, this is a
good deal of time after that,

514
00:27:49,700 –> 00:27:52,900
but I’m going to make a bold
statement here.

515
00:27:53,000 –> 00:27:57,000
If War of the Worlds happened
today, more people would freak

516
00:27:57,000 –> 00:27:59,300
out though.
Yeah, did back then?

517
00:27:59,400 –> 00:28:02,800
Yeah, you kidding me.
Like these Midwest, Bible

518
00:28:02,800 –> 00:28:05,100
Thumpers.
Get in their car, to go to Work

519
00:28:05,100 –> 00:28:07,900
in the morning and War of the
Worlds is playing.

520
00:28:08,000 –> 00:28:10,700
They’re going to fucking drive
their car into a church.

521
00:28:11,700 –> 00:28:14,200
Something I don’t know how that
would play out.

522
00:28:14,700 –> 00:28:18,700
Save me, Jesus, Give Me Jesus.
I’m coming.

523
00:28:18,900 –> 00:28:24,600
So this is a fascinating set of
documents and it really sheds.

524
00:28:24,600 –> 00:28:28,500
A lot of light on how we
initially responded to UFOs and

525
00:28:28,500 –> 00:28:32,000
what we were planning to do
about it and at various points,

526
00:28:32,000 –> 00:28:34,700
when it talks about the process,
we had in place at the time,

527
00:28:34,800 –> 00:28:37,900
Time for documenting UFO.
Sightings they keep mentioning a

528
00:28:37,900 –> 00:28:41,200
questionnaire and that
questionnaire is in the files.

529
00:28:41,300 –> 00:28:44,700
There are two of them, there’s
one that’s about what Air Force

530
00:28:44,700 –> 00:28:48,500
pilot should make note of when
they spot a UFO and there’s one

531
00:28:48,500 –> 00:28:52,300
that’s a set of guidelines for
people who photograph UFOs.

532
00:28:52,400 –> 00:28:55,900
So I think people kind of have
this like at least really

533
00:28:55,900 –> 00:28:59,300
skeptical types, kind of have it
in their mind that Roswell

534
00:28:59,300 –> 00:29:02,400
happened and then we found out,
it was a weather balloon and

535
00:29:02,400 –> 00:29:07,400
that was the beginning and end
of The UFO story and stuff like

536
00:29:07,400 –> 00:29:09,100
this proves, that’s not the
case.

537
00:29:09,200 –> 00:29:12,300
Like the government’s whipping
up questionnaires for the Air

538
00:29:12,300 –> 00:29:15,300
Force and for budding
photographers to get images of

539
00:29:15,300 –> 00:29:18,500
these things.
We were legitimately interested

540
00:29:18,500 –> 00:29:21,400
concerned.
I don’t know, one of those two,

541
00:29:21,400 –> 00:29:23,800
it’s interesting because they
are, you know, on the one hand,

542
00:29:23,800 –> 00:29:28,200
this is like you said on the CIA
and the CIA Park, they’re all

543
00:29:28,200 –> 00:29:31,000
talking about, you know, the
psychological warfare

544
00:29:31,000 –> 00:29:34,200
implications of this, the Air
Force is like definitely more

545
00:29:34,200 –> 00:29:36,200
interested in like, all right,
we need to know what’s real and

546
00:29:36,200 –> 00:29:38,400
what’s not.
Like that’s what we care about

547
00:29:38,400 –> 00:29:40,600
here.
So they’re issuing like all of

548
00:29:40,600 –> 00:29:42,600
these, you know, hey, if you
would, if you’re taking a

549
00:29:42,608 –> 00:29:45,200
picture, here’s the rules.
Here’s how you submit, here’s

550
00:29:45,200 –> 00:29:48,000
the questions, you want to think
about and then submit to us and

551
00:29:48,000 –> 00:29:51,400
that will help us decide.
You know what’s, it’s a filter.

552
00:29:51,500 –> 00:29:52,900
Yeah.
Whereas this it’s almost at the

553
00:29:52,908 –> 00:29:57,100
CIA knows something that the Air
Force doesn’t that?

554
00:29:57,100 –> 00:30:00,400
Yeah, that’s the thing.
Like that’s the way the way this

555
00:30:00,400 –> 00:30:02,900
progresses.
That’s either the CIA knew

556
00:30:02,900 –> 00:30:04,700
something all along or at some
point.

557
00:30:04,800 –> 00:30:06,300
Figured something out.
Yeah.

558
00:30:06,400 –> 00:30:09,000
And they were like, all right.
We’re not talking about UFOs

559
00:30:09,000 –> 00:30:10,000
anymore.
Yeah.

560
00:30:10,000 –> 00:30:13,300
And I just stick with the number
of Nazis working at the CIA.

561
00:30:14,100 –> 00:30:16,100
Even at this time.
That’s right thing.

562
00:30:16,100 –> 00:30:19,800
Like, are we supposed to think
these Nazis stopped being Nazis?

563
00:30:20,000 –> 00:30:23,100
When they joined the CIA, of
course not?

564
00:30:23,200 –> 00:30:25,800
They became Nazis that hate
black people, that’s all.

565
00:30:25,900 –> 00:30:28,300
Yeah, exactly.
That’s just became Nazis with a

566
00:30:28,308 –> 00:30:31,300
new frontier for their hatred.
Yeah, exactly.

567
00:30:31,700 –> 00:30:34,600
You know, hey, we were getting
bored of hating this group of

568
00:30:34,700 –> 00:30:36,900
‘Well, wow.
There’s so many more new ones to

569
00:30:36,900 –> 00:30:38,900
hate over here.
I think.

570
00:30:38,900 –> 00:30:42,800
Yeah, because the Nazis like
look, they knew, you know, some

571
00:30:42,800 –> 00:30:45,900
of the people working there had
to have known, you know, had to

572
00:30:45,900 –> 00:30:49,600
have had receipts on some of the
stuff that was being built in

573
00:30:49,600 –> 00:30:52,000
their bases when the Soviets
showed up.

574
00:30:52,100 –> 00:30:53,600
Oh yeah.
Like you know they’re not going

575
00:30:53,600 –> 00:30:56,700
and they’re going to be like I
don’t know that Air Force let

576
00:30:56,700 –> 00:30:58,000
them.
They’re gonna tell everybody

577
00:30:58,000 –> 00:31:00,900
just let him think that it’s
this other thing and we got it.

578
00:31:00,900 –> 00:31:03,200
We know we know what it is.
We know here.

579
00:31:03,200 –> 00:31:06,400
It really is over here and The
thing we’re talking about the

580
00:31:06,400 –> 00:31:11,500
CIA so even that article that
said the Soviet stole plans for

581
00:31:11,500 –> 00:31:16,300
UFOs from one single Nazi base
that could be an article we

582
00:31:16,300 –> 00:31:19,900
planted right?
Because that it seems more

583
00:31:19,900 –> 00:31:23,500
likely that they would document
that is like it’s like a

584
00:31:23,508 –> 00:31:27,000
murderer keeping trophies.
Like they’re gonna keep a

585
00:31:27,000 –> 00:31:30,400
document of their success and
maybe that’s what they were

586
00:31:30,400 –> 00:31:32,700
trying to do.
Was convince people this is

587
00:31:32,700 –> 00:31:34,500
Russia.
Yeah no Russia.

588
00:31:34,700 –> 00:31:36,800
Russia’s got them where it’s not
us, it’s not yet.

589
00:31:36,800 –> 00:31:39,100
Look at Area, 51.
It’s not that’s not us.

590
00:31:39,100 –> 00:31:41,500
That’s something else.
That’s why we need to look into

591
00:31:41,500 –> 00:31:45,100
it for psychological warfare
reasons, because Russia’s doing

592
00:31:45,100 –> 00:31:47,700
it.
Hey, that’s very, very possible.

593
00:31:47,800 –> 00:31:51,700
There’s a really interesting
passage way down on the 13th

594
00:31:51,700 –> 00:31:56,200
page of this report about how
the Air Force group plotted a

595
00:31:56,208 –> 00:32:01,200
map of unexplained sightings.
Yeah, and found that a lot of

596
00:32:01,200 –> 00:32:04,600
them happened around nuclear
installations or strategic.

597
00:32:04,900 –> 00:32:08,200
Air Command basis which that’s
interesting.

598
00:32:08,200 –> 00:32:11,200
But then they also add a tag to
it where they’re like, but it

599
00:32:11,200 –> 00:32:13,500
could just be because people in
those areas, look at the sky

600
00:32:13,500 –> 00:32:16,500
more.
It’s like, oh yeah, I guess but

601
00:32:16,500 –> 00:32:20,100
I don’t know that it’s the
Unexplained ones that are all

602
00:32:20,100 –> 00:32:22,900
near nuclear sites in Air
Command.

603
00:32:22,900 –> 00:32:24,200
That’s weird.
Yeah.

604
00:32:24,300 –> 00:32:27,300
The Air Force should have
definitely been involved in this

605
00:32:27,500 –> 00:32:30,200
more because they were at the
same time.

606
00:32:30,200 –> 00:32:32,300
The Air Force in the things are
in the air.

607
00:32:32,400 –> 00:32:34,000
Yeah.
And at this time, they were

608
00:32:34,000 –> 00:32:37,500
working on Something called
project Lincoln which was our

609
00:32:37,500 –> 00:32:41,500
first ground-based air defense
system, so probably going to

610
00:32:41,500 –> 00:32:43,800
want to rope.
Yeah, well, the i in on that,

611
00:32:43,800 –> 00:32:46,700
they even say that right in the
report with the Air Force, I’m

612
00:32:46,700 –> 00:32:49,300
sorry, the Air Force report.
They even say that where they’re

613
00:32:49,300 –> 00:32:52,500
like, yeah, we kind of think
that project Lincoln should be

614
00:32:52,500 –> 00:32:54,300
in on this.
We think that’s probably where

615
00:32:54,300 –> 00:32:57,000
this information should go.
Maybe that’s where the reports

616
00:32:57,000 –> 00:32:59,100
should go.
Yeah, I would agree, I’m going

617
00:32:59,100 –> 00:33:04,600
to see is like, but yeah, but
people are men.

618
00:33:04,800 –> 00:33:07,300
We conditioned to the acceptance
of the incredible.

619
00:33:07,300 –> 00:33:11,900
So yeah, that’s the thing.
We’re going to Paris thing in

620
00:33:11,900 –> 00:33:14,600
this report.
Also, it says there have been

621
00:33:14,600 –> 00:33:19,200
1,500 sightings since 1947,
which I don’t think that’s how

622
00:33:19,200 –> 00:33:22,100
history tells it.
I think I think we have heard

623
00:33:22,100 –> 00:33:27,100
about what, like, five or six
from that time, but 1,500 1,500,

624
00:33:27,100 –> 00:33:30,000
that’s a whole lot.
Yeah, and it was a crazy.

625
00:33:30,000 –> 00:33:33,900
It was it was sweeping the
nation, all the rage and in this

626
00:33:33,900 –> 00:33:36,800
official, Port.
It says, flying saucers post,

627
00:33:36,800 –> 00:33:39,700
two elements of danger, which
have National Security

628
00:33:39,700 –> 00:33:42,000
implications.
The first involves Mass

629
00:33:42,000 –> 00:33:45,100
psychological considerations in
the second concerns, the

630
00:33:45,100 –> 00:33:48,400
vulnerability of the United
States to air attack and then

631
00:33:48,400 –> 00:33:51,200
there’s another line about the
psychological considerations

632
00:33:51,200 –> 00:33:52,400
here.
It goes, let me know if you

633
00:33:52,408 –> 00:33:56,200
agree Americans, a fair
proportion of our population is

634
00:33:56,200 –> 00:33:59,600
mentally conditioned to the
acceptance of the incredible.

635
00:33:59,600 –> 00:34:02,000
And man, I’m not comfortable
here in the CIA.

636
00:34:02,000 –> 00:34:04,600
Say that at all?
No, no.

637
00:34:04,700 –> 00:34:08,300
No, because again, Leon Davidson
the guy, they’re most interested

638
00:34:08,300 –> 00:34:11,900
in was like, hey, you’re faking
this, this isn’t, this isn’t

639
00:34:11,900 –> 00:34:15,100
real CIA was like, no, we’re
not.

640
00:34:15,100 –> 00:34:17,699
No, stop it.
But he didn’t do it.

641
00:34:17,699 –> 00:34:19,300
You did it.
You did it.

642
00:34:19,400 –> 00:34:20,800
The Soviets.
Got those.

643
00:34:20,800 –> 00:34:24,000
We were doing anything.
We don’t even know any Nazis.

644
00:34:26,400 –> 00:34:29,000
And yeah, that line is
concerning because what happens

645
00:34:29,000 –> 00:34:34,400
next by 1953, there’s an
advisory panel that had put

646
00:34:34,400 –> 00:34:39,000
together a report about the
concerns about UFOs and possible

647
00:34:39,000 –> 00:34:42,000
solutions called the report of
the scientific panel on

648
00:34:42,000 –> 00:34:45,800
unidentified flying objects,
very on the nose title and

649
00:34:45,800 –> 00:34:49,300
despite having a whole lot to
say about the possible

650
00:34:49,300 –> 00:34:54,400
psychological warfare.
Potential of UFOs in 1952 by

651
00:34:54,400 –> 00:34:57,200
1950.
Three, the CIA didn’t want their

652
00:34:57,200 –> 00:35:00,800
name.
Mentioned with this project in

653
00:35:00,800 –> 00:35:04,300
any way, shape, or form.
And here’s the thing, they

654
00:35:04,300 –> 00:35:08,300
sponsored it.
It was the cia’s idea.

655
00:35:08,300 –> 00:35:13,100
And by the time that report came
out, they were like, don’t tell

656
00:35:13,100 –> 00:35:15,800
anyone we care about UFOs, is
that?

657
00:35:15,800 –> 00:35:17,700
That’s not our kid.
There’s yeah kid.

658
00:35:17,800 –> 00:35:19,700
He was a lot of intelligence
agencies.

659
00:35:19,700 –> 00:35:21,800
Maybe one of them is the maybe
it’s their kid.

660
00:35:22,000 –> 00:35:23,300
It’s not us.
We didn’t do it.

661
00:35:23,400 –> 00:35:26,500
It’s very suspicious.
My name is And Stein doesn’t

662
00:35:26,500 –> 00:35:29,700
mean that your kid who’s named
Frankenstein is my kid.

663
00:35:42,800 –> 00:35:47,700
They also demanded that a couple
of short passages be removed but

664
00:35:47,700 –> 00:35:51,000
very important ones.
Specifically the conclusion

665
00:35:51,000 –> 00:35:55,400
stated in paragraph 3 and the
recommendations in paragraph, 4,

666
00:35:55,400 –> 00:35:59,200
B and will on a future episode,
get into the back and forth

667
00:35:59,200 –> 00:36:03,400
between them and the Air Force
and Leon Davidson to get this

668
00:36:03,800 –> 00:36:07,700
Declassified.
It carries on for years years

669
00:36:07,700 –> 00:36:10,000
and years and years.
But eventually those sections

670
00:36:10,000 –> 00:36:12,700
were Declassified.
And here’s what they say Said

671
00:36:12,700 –> 00:36:16,100
this is paragraph. 3, the panel
further concludes that the

672
00:36:16,100 –> 00:36:19,000
continued emphasis on the
reporting of these phenomena

673
00:36:19,000 –> 00:36:22,700
does in these perilous times
result in a threat to the

674
00:36:22,700 –> 00:36:26,000
orderly functioning of the
protective organs of the body,

675
00:36:26,000 –> 00:36:29,700
politic we cite as examples.
The clogging of channels of

676
00:36:29,700 –> 00:36:33,500
communication by irrelevant
reports, the danger of being led

677
00:36:33,500 –> 00:36:36,800
by continued false alarms to
ignore real indications of

678
00:36:36,800 –> 00:36:39,800
hostile tactics and the
cultivation of a national

679
00:36:39,800 –> 00:36:43,900
psychology in which skillful
Propaganda could induce

680
00:36:43,900 –> 00:36:48,500
hysterical behavior and harmful
distrust of duly, constituted

681
00:36:48,500 –> 00:36:50,800
Authority.
I’m so glad nothing like that.

682
00:36:50,800 –> 00:36:52,300
Ever happened in the United
States.

683
00:36:52,300 –> 00:36:56,600
That is a fucking slam poem.
It is.

684
00:36:56,700 –> 00:37:01,800
And it’s also creepy how
relevant it is to right now,

685
00:37:01,900 –> 00:37:02,500
gosh.
Yeah.

686
00:37:02,500 –> 00:37:06,400
I know it’s a good thing that
this doesn’t apply to us in 2021

687
00:37:06,500 –> 00:37:08,500
at all.
Like it sounds like they’re

688
00:37:08,500 –> 00:37:12,300
talking about social media.
Yeah, this is basically.

689
00:37:12,400 –> 00:37:15,100
He literally this is a slam poem
about Facebook.

690
00:37:15,100 –> 00:37:17,100
Yeah.
And yeah, they’re talking about

691
00:37:17,100 –> 00:37:20,600
fake news, they’re talking about
false claims clogging up the

692
00:37:20,600 –> 00:37:24,200
channels that you would use to
call and say, hey Russia’s

693
00:37:24,200 –> 00:37:27,300
sending a bomb our way and then
there’s paragraph for be here

694
00:37:27,300 –> 00:37:30,900
that goes the panel further
concludes that, the National

695
00:37:30,900 –> 00:37:34,400
Security, agency’s Institute
policies, on intelligence

696
00:37:34,500 –> 00:37:38,600
training and public education.
Designed to prepare the material

697
00:37:38,600 –> 00:37:43,100
defenses in the morale of the
country to recognize, Promptly

698
00:37:43,100 –> 00:37:47,100
and to react most effectively to
True indications of hostile

699
00:37:47,100 –> 00:37:51,100
intent or action.
And the CIA was like, nope,

700
00:37:51,100 –> 00:37:53,500
we’re not going to do that.
Don’t tell people that don’t

701
00:37:53,500 –> 00:37:57,100
tell them anything about
psychological warfare or being

702
00:37:57,100 –> 00:38:00,500
defrauded by fake UFOs.
Don’t even put our name in this

703
00:38:00,500 –> 00:38:01,700
fucking thing.
Yeah.

704
00:38:01,700 –> 00:38:05,100
And it’s the fact that they
wanted them, classify that

705
00:38:05,100 –> 00:38:08,500
creates this suspicion because
exactly again on their face,

706
00:38:08,500 –> 00:38:11,500
these are things that are kind
of like well yeah sure.

707
00:38:11,600 –> 00:38:14,200
But if somebody’s He’s like,
don’t tell people that it’s

708
00:38:14,200 –> 00:38:18,900
like, wait, why?
Yeah, and why, why don’t you

709
00:38:18,900 –> 00:38:22,100
want me to tell everyone that
silver bullets kill werewolves?

710
00:38:22,800 –> 00:38:24,800
Why would you say that sounds
like something a fucking

711
00:38:24,800 –> 00:38:27,400
werewolf would say.
And like, their argument for

712
00:38:27,400 –> 00:38:29,900
paragraph 3.
Was that?

713
00:38:30,000 –> 00:38:32,500
Well, that’s telling our
enemies, how they can attack us

714
00:38:32,600 –> 00:38:36,300
and that I kind of by.
But the thing about, what are

715
00:38:36,300 –> 00:38:39,000
you faxing, this report directly
to the Russians.

716
00:38:39,600 –> 00:38:42,200
Exactly.
But the thing about not telling

717
00:38:42,200 –> 00:38:45,500
the Public are like giving the
public some training on spotting

718
00:38:45,500 –> 00:38:48,600
fake UFOs.
That’s highly suspicious that

719
00:38:48,600 –> 00:38:50,800
they wanted that taken out.
Yeah.

720
00:38:50,900 –> 00:38:55,100
And it ends up being the thing
that that Leon Davidson guy is

721
00:38:55,100 –> 00:38:58,700
most suspicious about.
That’s why he wanted this thing

722
00:38:58,700 –> 00:39:03,600
Declassified because he was like
cia’s faking this dun dun dun oh

723
00:39:03,600 –> 00:39:05,400
yeah, no, it’s the plot
thickens.

724
00:39:05,400 –> 00:39:09,400
So yeah, it’ll seem even more
suspicious when we get into dr.

725
00:39:09,400 –> 00:39:11,700
Leon Davidson on the next
episode?

726
00:39:11,700 –> 00:39:13,500
Yes.
There’s no other reason why they

727
00:39:13,500 –> 00:39:16,700
wouldn’t want that said, unless,
you know, just like logically.

728
00:39:16,700 –> 00:39:19,800
Yeah, I mentioned this on the on
pops up a soda also.

729
00:39:19,800 –> 00:39:24,400
But that idea, that, at some
point, the United States is

730
00:39:24,400 –> 00:39:29,000
going to pull like a fake Alien
Invasion to Institute a one

731
00:39:29,000 –> 00:39:31,600
world government.
That is the heart of the New

732
00:39:31,600 –> 00:39:35,900
World Order conspiracy like that
part where they project the

733
00:39:35,900 –> 00:39:39,200
thing into the sky, in
conspiracy theory circles, it’s

734
00:39:39,200 –> 00:39:45,400
called Project Blue beam.
And I read A, there’s a free 32

735
00:39:45,400 –> 00:39:50,800
page book on Amazon, one of the
most underrated sites for like,

736
00:39:50,800 –> 00:39:54,100
no one ever is, like, did you
see this fucking conspiracy

737
00:39:54,100 –> 00:39:57,300
documentary on Amazon?
Like, no one is ever worried

738
00:39:57,300 –> 00:40:00,300
about the shit Amazon post and
it’s some of the craziest,

739
00:40:00,300 –> 00:40:04,500
craziest shit, but this was a
book is 32 Pages.

740
00:40:04,500 –> 00:40:09,500
No sources didn’t cite anything.
It read like a Manifesto about

741
00:40:09,500 –> 00:40:11,600
the New World Order.
And here’s the thing I kind of

742
00:40:11,600 –> 00:40:13,100
feel like that’s the Best
source.

743
00:40:13,400 –> 00:40:18,700
So at some point, we probably
will dive into that book.

744
00:40:18,800 –> 00:40:21,600
Also, because it all, I feel
like that’s kind of what this is

745
00:40:21,600 –> 00:40:26,000
all building up to at least to
some extent is people thinking

746
00:40:26,000 –> 00:40:30,100
the CIA is faking all this which
the end of Watchmen again.

747
00:40:30,200 –> 00:40:34,200
But it also you always hear that
thing where they’re like, yeah,

748
00:40:34,200 –> 00:40:38,000
they want you to think the CIA
is faking this or is doing this

749
00:40:38,000 –> 00:40:41,100
to pull off some massive fraud.
When really we’re just working

750
00:40:41,100 –> 00:40:44,400
with weapons.
The Six of which would shatter

751
00:40:44,400 –> 00:40:47,100
your belief in God if you knew
they existed.

752
00:40:47,300 –> 00:40:51,200
So yeah, you go think the CIA is
doing this for jollies.

753
00:40:51,300 –> 00:40:53,700
Yeah, I don’t know.
It’s always, right?

754
00:40:53,700 –> 00:40:57,000
There’s always the like, man,
that’s the cover up.

755
00:40:57,000 –> 00:40:59,300
With this kind of stuff.
You can’t, it can’t win because

756
00:40:59,300 –> 00:41:01,400
it’s always just going to be 0
that thing.

757
00:41:01,400 –> 00:41:05,000
You think that’s the false flag?
That’s that what they want you

758
00:41:05,008 –> 00:41:07,800
to think.
It’s actually even crazier until

759
00:41:07,800 –> 00:41:10,500
it’s like what.
Okay, interdimensional, it’s

760
00:41:10,500 –> 00:41:14,400
also versions of ourselves for
I’m a future timeline are doing

761
00:41:14,400 –> 00:41:18,600
this and it’s not because of any
kind of like investment in world

762
00:41:18,600 –> 00:41:22,600
domination or World salvation.
It’s just how they entertain

763
00:41:22,600 –> 00:41:25,400
themselves.
It’s a prank show for a future

764
00:41:25,400 –> 00:41:26,800
timeline.
That’s all it is.

765
00:41:26,900 –> 00:41:31,500
It’s also one of those
conspiracy theories that true or

766
00:41:31,500 –> 00:41:34,200
not.
Like, if it’s true, that’s just

767
00:41:34,200 –> 00:41:35,200
the world.
We’re living in.

768
00:41:35,200 –> 00:41:37,000
And that’s, that’s where we’re
fucking headed.

769
00:41:37,000 –> 00:41:39,400
I mean, we are not.
That’s why when people are like,

770
00:41:39,400 –> 00:41:41,300
oh, you were the cia’s gonna
kill you.

771
00:41:41,300 –> 00:41:43,400
Fuck do they know?
What’s gonna happen?

772
00:41:43,400 –> 00:41:46,700
I’m going to stop the New World
Order with this fucking podcast.

773
00:41:46,700 –> 00:41:51,200
Of course, not any time the word
the term New World Order enters

774
00:41:51,200 –> 00:41:54,300
into a conversation like this.
It’s like I just have to throw

775
00:41:54,300 –> 00:41:57,900
my hands up and be like, okay,
well, I guess what are we going

776
00:41:57,900 –> 00:41:59,900
to do about it?
Literally nothing.

777
00:41:59,900 –> 00:42:03,500
Do you have alien Weaponry in
your basement that you can use

778
00:42:03,500 –> 00:42:06,600
to go on some crazy fucking
mission?

779
00:42:06,700 –> 00:42:08,000
What are you?
Can’t stop it.

780
00:42:08,000 –> 00:42:10,400
They can if they’re going to do
a new world order, they’re going

781
00:42:10,400 –> 00:42:12,200
to do a new world order and hey
that’s the way.

782
00:42:12,300 –> 00:42:15,000
Way it is, here’s the thing.
People aren’t going to like this

783
00:42:15,000 –> 00:42:18,400
specially not conspiracy theory
types, but if I was alive when

784
00:42:18,400 –> 00:42:21,700
this happened, and I know
everything, I know about

785
00:42:21,700 –> 00:42:24,400
conspiracy theories, I’d be a
little proud.

786
00:42:26,400 –> 00:42:31,100
Like, I would be like fucking a,
they did it get like, yeah, I

787
00:42:31,100 –> 00:42:33,300
believe, whatever.
I’ll take your newfangled

788
00:42:33,300 –> 00:42:34,500
religion.
What the fuck ever?

789
00:42:34,500 –> 00:42:35,800
Sure.
Yeah, look.

790
00:42:35,800 –> 00:42:39,800
If you’re gonna put the chip in,
I want it on my right side.

791
00:42:39,900 –> 00:42:42,800
Yeah, because I sleep on my left
side sometimes and It’s, you

792
00:42:42,800 –> 00:42:45,400
know, I feel like it’s close to
the heart and I just don’t feel

793
00:42:45,400 –> 00:42:47,600
like it’ll mess up my chip
reception.

794
00:42:47,600 –> 00:42:50,500
So right behind the right ear,
if you could, if that’s where

795
00:42:50,500 –> 00:42:53,500
the chips going, if you follow
the timeline, you’ll have the

796
00:42:53,500 –> 00:42:57,300
chip before that happens.
Because that’s how the voice of

797
00:42:57,300 –> 00:42:59,800
the projection will sound in
your head and go.

798
00:42:59,800 –> 00:43:01,000
That’s right.
That’s right, that’s right.

799
00:43:01,000 –> 00:43:02,900
Yeah.
And I get my chip in a like I

800
00:43:02,908 –> 00:43:05,900
want to satanic flavor to it.
So like could you put a little

801
00:43:05,900 –> 00:43:07,800
666 on it?
Like I know no one’s going to

802
00:43:07,800 –> 00:43:10,200
see it but I just like to know
it’s there just for Giggles.

803
00:43:10,300 –> 00:43:12,200
Yeah, I want mine like on my
forehead.

804
00:43:12,300 –> 00:43:13,600
Head.
So it’s noticeable.

805
00:43:13,600 –> 00:43:15,100
Like you can see it under the
skin.

806
00:43:15,500 –> 00:43:19,100
Yeah, yeah, especially if it
glows, if it glows, I want it

807
00:43:19,100 –> 00:43:21,900
dead center.
I mean, I what’s, what’s that?

808
00:43:21,900 –> 00:43:25,100
It’s my third eye, mr.
William Gibson, fashion shit.

809
00:43:25,100 –> 00:43:28,200
I want some I want.
Yeah I want a literal third eye.

810
00:43:28,200 –> 00:43:30,300
I don’t care if it’s cybernetic
give it to me.

811
00:43:30,400 –> 00:43:32,900
Yeah.
Like this is one of those like,

812
00:43:32,900 –> 00:43:35,100
the new world order.
If you if you think you’re

813
00:43:35,100 –> 00:43:38,000
dedicating your life to fight in
the New World Order, I guarantee

814
00:43:38,000 –> 00:43:40,500
what you’re dedicating your life
to is being tracked by the

815
00:43:40,500 –> 00:43:44,400
government on the internet.
That’s all, that’s all you’re

816
00:43:44,400 –> 00:43:46,300
doing.
All your fucking New World Order

817
00:43:46,300 –> 00:43:49,000
message boards.
Yeah, you’re you are, you are

818
00:43:49,000 –> 00:43:52,400
the radical element you been
keeping an eye on – but gonna be

819
00:43:52,400 –> 00:43:55,400
getting hassled at the airport.
Anytime you want to fly to a

820
00:43:55,400 –> 00:44:00,300
convention congrats, but it’s
fun to talk about know, it is

821
00:44:00,300 –> 00:44:02,600
fun to talk about.
It’s always fun to talk about.

822
00:44:02,600 –> 00:44:06,100
I like it is, it’s I hate that
I’m this cynical but it’s like a

823
00:44:06,107 –> 00:44:09,300
Prestige TV show like reading
these documents.

824
00:44:09,400 –> 00:44:11,400
It’s I feel like I’m watching
Mad Men, you know?

825
00:44:11,500 –> 00:44:14,800
Yeah.
It It really is a snapshot in

826
00:44:14,800 –> 00:44:17,700
time.
Even the stuff in the 90s, when

827
00:44:17,900 –> 00:44:20,400
we like the entire country.
Like, we didn’t have any

828
00:44:20,400 –> 00:44:23,000
enemies.
So, so we went back to aliens

829
00:44:23,000 –> 00:44:24,100
again for a little.
Yeah.

830
00:44:24,100 –> 00:44:27,600
Well, no, not even that all of
the CIA files in the 90s are

831
00:44:27,600 –> 00:44:31,100
just like reports about what’s
on local television in different

832
00:44:31,100 –> 00:44:32,500
areas.
And then occasionally, there

833
00:44:32,500 –> 00:44:36,300
will be a UFO report.
So that’s where our UFO research

834
00:44:36,300 –> 00:44:38,700
was by the 90s.
We were watching television,

835
00:44:38,700 –> 00:44:40,700
occasionally some Civil War
there.

836
00:44:40,900 –> 00:44:44,300
Stoking in the Sir something.
Yeah, one that we probably

837
00:44:44,300 –> 00:44:49,900
caused with a UFO part.
Actually, it’s Dracula related,

838
00:44:49,900 –> 00:44:54,600
all of our Balkans CIA missions.
Where Dracula related, no, UFOs.

839
00:44:54,600 –> 00:44:57,200
They’ve seen UFOs there.
It’s not, they’re not impressed

840
00:44:57,200 –> 00:45:00,200
by it anymore.
But vampires, they still that

841
00:45:00,200 –> 00:45:03,700
cuts deep over there.
So also harp is how they’re

842
00:45:03,700 –> 00:45:06,300
going to do the projection in
the sky.

843
00:45:06,400 –> 00:45:09,700
In case you were wondering, what
its Harpeth harp is very weird.

844
00:45:09,800 –> 00:45:15,400
It’s this array of like Like,
telescopes are not not

845
00:45:15,400 –> 00:45:17,900
telescopes, what are they?
They’re like, lasers.

846
00:45:18,000 –> 00:45:23,300
They can shoot energy into the
ionosphere and they’re based on

847
00:45:23,400 –> 00:45:28,200
this patent that if that patent
works, you can control the

848
00:45:28,200 –> 00:45:30,500
weather with it.
Like scientists have looked at

849
00:45:30,500 –> 00:45:34,800
it and been like, fuck this
would work but it requires that

850
00:45:34,800 –> 00:45:40,100
the beam be really centralized
and there’s this CBC in Canada

851
00:45:40,100 –> 00:45:43,600
is super into conspiracy.
These and they have a whole

852
00:45:43,600 –> 00:45:47,500
episode about HARP and they’re
interviewing this government

853
00:45:47,500 –> 00:45:51,300
agent some like from some us
intelligence agency and he’s

854
00:45:51,300 –> 00:45:55,800
being so smug and like cagey
about answering shit.

855
00:45:55,800 –> 00:46:00,000
And at one point, she’s like,
well, if this patent works the

856
00:46:00,000 –> 00:46:02,200
way it says it does it would
control the weather and the guy

857
00:46:02,200 –> 00:46:03,200
goes.
Yeah.

858
00:46:03,200 –> 00:46:06,700
But in the patent it says you
have to focus the beams.

859
00:46:06,700 –> 00:46:10,400
In this woman, pulls out a harp
training manual and flips it

860
00:46:10,400 –> 00:46:15,300
open and goes it says Right here
that you can focus the beam and

861
00:46:15,300 –> 00:46:17,700
the guy Just Smiles at her and
shrugs.

862
00:46:17,700 –> 00:46:21,900
Well, what?
Yeah, what do you got me now,

863
00:46:21,900 –> 00:46:23,400
what are you going to do about
it?

864
00:46:23,400 –> 00:46:28,100
We will send a signal to destroy
your home up to the ionosphere,

865
00:46:29,000 –> 00:46:30,800
fucking try us.
Yeah.

866
00:46:30,800 –> 00:46:33,100
Have fun.
Getting fried from space today.

867
00:46:33,100 –> 00:46:35,400
Idiot.
And there is when I did we did

868
00:46:35,400 –> 00:46:38,600
an episode about HAARP.
I had to use the Wayback machine

869
00:46:38,600 –> 00:46:42,100
but there was a point on the
harp website where it said that

870
00:46:42,300 –> 00:46:46,500
We were using it for defense
purposes also and then that

871
00:46:46,500 –> 00:46:50,000
eventually got that part got
scrubbed from the website how we

872
00:46:50,000 –> 00:46:52,400
kill her, like that’s his
whether that’s how we killed

873
00:46:52,400 –> 00:46:53,800
Galactus when he came to eat the
plant.

874
00:46:53,800 –> 00:46:56,700
Don’t remember that like 1990,
gosh, I’m trying to remember if

875
00:46:56,700 –> 00:46:59,500
it was before or after the
Macarena I think it’s right.

876
00:46:59,500 –> 00:47:01,700
I think it was up in the
atmosphere I want to try to come

877
00:47:01,700 –> 00:47:02,400
through.
Yeah.

878
00:47:02,400 –> 00:47:05,600
So Gladys was going to eat the
planet and they used tarp to

879
00:47:05,600 –> 00:47:06,600
kill him.
Right?

880
00:47:06,600 –> 00:47:09,300
But that’s why Fukushima
happened also.

881
00:47:09,400 –> 00:47:12,100
Oh yeah, for sure, and you mean
take the good with the bad?

882
00:47:12,200 –> 00:47:14,600
Bad Butterfly Effect.
You keep digging, right?

883
00:47:14,600 –> 00:47:16,300
You keep peeling.
Back the layers of this onion.

884
00:47:16,300 –> 00:47:18,100
Pretty soon.
Courtney Love it.

885
00:47:18,100 –> 00:47:20,700
We get Courtney.
And always back every time.

886
00:47:20,800 –> 00:47:22,400
Yeah, I do.
These documents are interesting,

887
00:47:22,400 –> 00:47:25,900
and I need to spend more time
with them because again, the

888
00:47:25,900 –> 00:47:28,800
first one I read, I read a few
of them in their entirety.

889
00:47:28,900 –> 00:47:31,300
I mean, obviously not the ones
that are redacted to shit,

890
00:47:31,300 –> 00:47:32,700
right?
Everyone that read those that

891
00:47:32,700 –> 00:47:34,800
are dead.
But yeah, that first one, it’s

892
00:47:34,800 –> 00:47:37,300
just kind of like paints this
sort of like well we need to put

893
00:47:37,300 –> 00:47:40,000
more resources into figuring
this out because if these things

894
00:47:40,000 –> 00:47:43,600
are real, we need to be ready
for Men figure them out and even

895
00:47:43,600 –> 00:47:46,300
if they’re not real, they
freaked people out and someone

896
00:47:46,300 –> 00:47:48,800
could use that to do some bad
shit, maybe.

897
00:47:49,000 –> 00:47:51,900
And then the CIA documents are
like, hey, what was that?

898
00:47:51,900 –> 00:47:54,300
Bad shit that we could do,
because we want to do it and

899
00:47:54,300 –> 00:47:57,400
then a year later they’re like,
don’t tell anyone we care about

900
00:47:57,400 –> 00:47:59,700
this.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

901
00:47:59,900 –> 00:48:01,400
That will get.
You will get you.

902
00:48:01,500 –> 00:48:05,200
I should mention the source of
these documents.

903
00:48:05,300 –> 00:48:08,900
I mean, obviously it’s the CIA,
but also there’s a website

904
00:48:08,900 –> 00:48:13,400
called The Black Vault.com and
if you Look at these documents,

905
00:48:13,400 –> 00:48:16,800
you’ll know it’s from The Black
Vault.com because their website

906
00:48:16,800 –> 00:48:19,100
images plastered at the bottom
of a bunch of them.

907
00:48:19,200 –> 00:48:22,600
Thanks to them for putting this
out in a way that people can

908
00:48:22,600 –> 00:48:26,800
just access it and download it
and we’ll link to it in the show

909
00:48:26,800 –> 00:48:31,100
notes for this episode.
So you can go read 2,700, CIA

910
00:48:31,100 –> 00:48:34,600
Files about UFOs and Andy do you
know what else they have?

911
00:48:34,600 –> 00:48:40,900
What the FBI’s Paranormal Files?
We should probably talk about

912
00:48:40,900 –> 00:48:44,300
those sometimes Yeah, is
exciting.

913
00:48:44,400 –> 00:48:48,400
I wanted and Lorraine Warren.
We’re fucking FBI agents know.

914
00:48:48,400 –> 00:48:50,800
Probably I don’t know if that’s
AI, don’t even know if that’s a

915
00:48:50,808 –> 00:48:53,600
theory but I’m it sounds fun.
So I’m saying it.

916
00:48:53,600 –> 00:48:55,500
They were a problem of some sort
it were.

917
00:48:55,500 –> 00:48:57,200
I mean, they’re the fucking
worst.

918
00:48:57,200 –> 00:48:59,900
They were the monster were they
were awful.

919
00:49:00,000 –> 00:49:04,200
Horrible evil people and so are
The Conjuring movies.

920
00:49:04,300 –> 00:49:05,600
It means here.
Also the worst.

921
00:49:05,600 –> 00:49:08,200
I love the first Conjuring
movie, but we really need to.

922
00:49:08,300 –> 00:49:11,000
We really need to get rid of
them in the horror genre.

923
00:49:11,000 –> 00:49:13,600
They are a problem.
We need to yeah we need to be

924
00:49:13,600 –> 00:49:16,600
done with the Warrens.
It’s not cool to make them look

925
00:49:16,600 –> 00:49:19,300
cool.
I get it vera for my yoga and

926
00:49:19,300 –> 00:49:22,900
Patrick Wilson or a hot.
I get it haven’t played somebody

927
00:49:22,900 –> 00:49:24,900
else.
The fucking warrants were trash.

928
00:49:25,000 –> 00:49:27,000
They sure were.
But I saw I want to see if the

929
00:49:27,000 –> 00:49:31,600
FBI has a report on a medieval
yeah that would be fascinating

930
00:49:31,800 –> 00:49:35,600
private unlisted YouTube videos.
Oh I gotta go check that out.

931
00:49:35,600 –> 00:49:38,200
Well what through the Freedom of
Information Act they have

932
00:49:38,200 –> 00:49:42,100
private unlisted YouTube videos.
Hmm too hot for the internet.

933
00:49:42,600 –> 00:49:43,800
God.
I don’t think I want to see

934
00:49:43,800 –> 00:49:47,100
anything that’s quoted.
Yeah too hot for the internet.

935
00:49:47,100 –> 00:49:49,900
So yeah, thank you to The Black
Vault for compiling, all this.

936
00:49:49,900 –> 00:49:53,800
In a way people can access it.
Do we have anything to plug

937
00:49:53,800 –> 00:49:56,700
before we get out of here in DC?
I don’t know.

938
00:49:56,700 –> 00:50:01,900
I don’t know if we do, do we?
We may or may not have a new

939
00:50:02,000 –> 00:50:04,700
season of the music podcast
coming up.

940
00:50:04,700 –> 00:50:05,700
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.

941
00:50:05,700 –> 00:50:07,900
Yeah, yeah.
We’re doing a new season of the

942
00:50:07,900 –> 00:50:12,100
music pod about Steve Earle.
Yeah, I’m really excited.

943
00:50:12,100 –> 00:50:14,700
Excited for that.
That’s like the seventh Choice

944
00:50:14,700 –> 00:50:15,800
we’ve made.
I think.

945
00:50:15,800 –> 00:50:18,300
Yeah, we really went back and
forth because we were going to

946
00:50:18,308 –> 00:50:21,900
do Marilyn Manson and it turns
out he’s scum, so we can’t

947
00:50:21,900 –> 00:50:24,300
really do that.
There were a number of Acts that

948
00:50:24,300 –> 00:50:27,900
we’ve talked about, but I’m
excited for Steve Earle, I yeah,

949
00:50:27,900 –> 00:50:31,300
he’s interesting.
Yeah, he is, he’s a character,

950
00:50:31,500 –> 00:50:34,400
he sure is oh, well, he’s
literally a character entremet

951
00:50:34,400 –> 00:50:36,400
and the wire.
I mean, not, he’s an actor on

952
00:50:36,400 –> 00:50:38,900
those shows playing a different
character, right?

953
00:50:38,900 –> 00:50:41,300
But you know what?
I’ve never seen Treme, but he is

954
00:50:41,300 –> 00:50:43,200
Bubbles, a a Sponsor on The
Wire.

955
00:50:43,400 –> 00:50:45,900
He’s going to remain.
He’s not I don’t want to spoil

956
00:50:45,900 –> 00:50:48,400
anything but he’s not in a lot
of it.

957
00:50:50,100 –> 00:50:57,500
Oh I get abducted by aliens harp
to make Katrina happen.

958
00:50:58,200 –> 00:51:00,800
That is a rumor.
Andy that is a rumor.

959
00:51:00,900 –> 00:51:02,700
I mean I’m sure it is.
I’m sure it is.

960
00:51:02,800 –> 00:51:04,400
Yeah.
I yeah I don’t know if I have

961
00:51:04,400 –> 00:51:06,300
anything else to plug.
I’ve got new episodes of Ghoul

962
00:51:06,300 –> 00:51:09,500
School on the way have a new
podcast on the way called look

963
00:51:09,500 –> 00:51:12,000
good for the boys.
A horror gossip podcast.

964
00:51:12,100 –> 00:51:14,100
East.
You can follow us on Twitter at

965
00:51:14,100 –> 00:51:16,700
look good.
Number four, boys.

966
00:51:16,800 –> 00:51:19,300
That’s our Twitter.
I think our Instagram is just

967
00:51:19,300 –> 00:51:20,900
look good for the boys.
I don’t know.

968
00:51:20,900 –> 00:51:24,800
I’m not in charge of our social
media but that’s coming new

969
00:51:24,800 –> 00:51:26,400
episodes of cool school or
coming?

970
00:51:26,500 –> 00:51:27,100
Yeah.
Nothing.

971
00:51:27,100 –> 00:51:32,000
Other than that to plug, except
I’m fully vax now and just in

972
00:51:32,000 –> 00:51:34,300
time to see the new song movie
in the theater.

973
00:51:34,400 –> 00:51:37,000
Oh, that’s right.
Yeah, I am probably going to cry

974
00:51:37,000 –> 00:51:38,600
during it, which is going to be
fun.

975
00:51:38,700 –> 00:51:42,300
Yeah, I cried when I saw in the
earth and theaters but now For

976
00:51:42,300 –> 00:51:43,800
the same reason.
You’re going to cry.

977
00:51:44,300 –> 00:51:45,600
You see?
The new saw a movie.

978
00:51:46,000 –> 00:51:48,200
Oh God.
I was so excited for that too.

979
00:51:48,200 –> 00:51:51,600
Did you still haven’t seen it?
No, because you told me what you

980
00:51:51,600 –> 00:51:53,800
thought of it, and I was like,
well I’m not gonna pay for it.

981
00:51:54,300 –> 00:51:58,200
Yeah, it’s the Mist X, The
Happening gross, right?

982
00:51:59,000 –> 00:52:01,900
If the happening wasn’t funny, I
don’t even which happenings

983
00:52:01,900 –> 00:52:05,500
funny happening, is one of the
best unintentional comedies.

984
00:52:05,600 –> 00:52:07,200
I mean, they’re okay.
There’s some funny shit in it.

985
00:52:07,200 –> 00:52:09,300
That’s true.
As far as my plugs, we’re going

986
00:52:09,300 –> 00:52:12,000
to be changing the patreon and
super cast.

987
00:52:12,100 –> 00:52:15,000
So soon.
So be on the lookout for that.

988
00:52:15,000 –> 00:52:18,400
We’re going to streamline things
a little bit because I got a lot

989
00:52:18,400 –> 00:52:20,700
of fucking shows.
I can’t do them all at once, so

990
00:52:20,700 –> 00:52:24,100
be on the lookout for that.
I’m launching a sub stack soon

991
00:52:24,100 –> 00:52:27,100
so you can give me money to
write and help me pay off.

992
00:52:27,100 –> 00:52:29,900
My massive tax debt.
That will be called Alcohol,

993
00:52:29,900 –> 00:52:33,600
Tobacco firearms and friends,
it’s already out there, you can

994
00:52:33,600 –> 00:52:35,500
go sign up for it.
I just haven’t written anything

995
00:52:35,500 –> 00:52:38,100
yet.
So but you’ll know when I do and

996
00:52:38,100 –> 00:52:42,800
then you’ll be able to start on
Alan funds in my Action in

997
00:52:42,800 –> 00:52:45,200
exchange for articles and
things.

998
00:52:45,200 –> 00:52:46,400
I’m not going to take a second
job.

999
00:52:46,400 –> 00:52:48,900
Not get paid for it, you know.
Yeah, fuck yeah, I’m sure.

1000
00:52:49,000 –> 00:52:50,600
No.
I would do know and I think

1001
00:52:50,600 –> 00:52:51,700
that’s it.
Yeah.

1002
00:52:51,700 –> 00:52:54,700
Should we get out of here?
I don’t, I mean, maybe, you

1003
00:52:54,700 –> 00:52:57,300
know, I don’t have anything to
do if you want to just like hang

1004
00:52:57,300 –> 00:53:00,500
out here for a little bit.
I’m gonna stare at the sky for

1005
00:53:00,500 –> 00:53:03,800
four hours so you just see what?
See what comes by.

1006
00:53:03,800 –> 00:53:06,600
You know, I’m going to listen to
extraterrestrial intelligence by

1007
00:53:06,600 –> 00:53:09,500
Blue Oyster Cult.
I guess this guy, we got these

1008
00:53:09,500 –> 00:53:11,800
questionnaires now.
Oh wow, we should fill those

1009
00:53:11,800 –> 00:53:13,400
out.
Out beyond the ready, fill them

1010
00:53:13,400 –> 00:53:15,000
out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1011
00:53:15,000 –> 00:53:17,100
Get ready to watch some.
I don’t know.

1012
00:53:17,100 –> 00:53:20,000
Jesus, fucking Christ talk right
now.

1013
00:53:20,100 –> 00:53:22,400
Let’s get out of here.
And he say goodbye.

1014
00:53:22,400 –> 00:53:26,000
Goodbye.
Goodbye everybody.

1015
00:53:26,000 –> 00:53:26,500
We love you.