Conspiracy! The Show 154: The MOVE Bombing

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Papa.
Hey everybody, Welcome to

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conspiracy the show.
I’m your host, Adam Todd.

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Brown joining me, special guest
co-host this week, slice Berg.

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Slim how’s it going?
Say hello to the people.

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The people that bad him.
How’s it going?

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I’m good man.
How are you trying to just back

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to normal life?
Today’s the first day I went to

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a comic book store since before
covid.

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Wow, yeah, I’m To the movies
tomorrow.

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I’m very excited about that.
I’ve gone to the movies once but

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the movie sucked.
Can I ask what?

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Theater AMC.
They brought a list back.

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Yeah, thank you.
I have stock in them.

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So everything went him sick.
AMC is going nowhere.

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If I have anything to do with it
for people who are unaware,

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slice Berg is my co-host on a
podcast called pod six that you

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can hear on the unpopped patreon
and super cast.

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It’s also a music producer, does
a bunch of the themes you here

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for the podcast?
Cast and you’ve been on this

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podcast before, right?
Yes, yes, think that Lisa, I

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don’t remember what we were
talking about something

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something probably very grim and
unhappy.

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I think I was, it was me you in
a teeth last time?

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Well, yeah, everything at if is
on, is depressing.

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So, yeah, right.
So yeah, there definitely was

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around something.
Something sad, that’s not going

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to change this week.
We are talking about one of the

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saddest moments in American
history, completely By

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coincidence, we are recording
this on the 36 year anniversary

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of what we’re talking about
today, which is the move bombing

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in Philadelphia.
If you’re not familiar with this

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story buckle up, it is crazy
slice Berg, you were not

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familiar with this story when I
recruited you for this episode,

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right?
It took me a total surprise.

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No idea.
And you watched the documentary.

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There’s a few documentaries He’s
but there’s one of the first

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ones was called.
Let the Fire Burn and that’s the

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one you watched last night,
right?

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Yes.
And texted me and said, fuck you

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for making me wasis now, to be
fair.

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I was passing the fuck your
Loft.

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My girlfriend told me to fuck
me.

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No, no get him.
Yeah, I mean, you were planning

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to watch Bordello of Blood so I
did fuck up your night for sure,

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because that movie you did was
make it back tonight.

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So before we get into it for
people, what was your impression

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Of the events in this
documentary, what?

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I’m surprised myself, never
hearing this.

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It almost seems like a movie,
like, it’s unreal almost, it’s

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like a plot of a movie almost.
Yeah.

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You know what?
It sort of reminds me of not

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white as bet.
I mean, maybe.

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But the Black Wall Street Riot
that happened in that.

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Tulsa?
Where’s yeah, bunch of angry,

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white people just went and
burned down a whole section of

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Tulsa that was called the Black
Wall Street for a reason.

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Nothing is ever called The Wall
Street of anything for bad

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reasons.
Even though all streets awful,

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all right, what an irony, but
yeah, this is kind of the same

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thing.
It’s just that this was even

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more sanctioned by the
government and when it’s charged

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has made the wrong decision,
like everyone just did

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everything possibly wrong.
Everyone is even down from move

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themselves.
I mean I don’t want to take the

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blame but they made it hard.
Yeah.

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That’s going to be a hard line
to oh yeah, route this.

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Because what happens to them?
Move is absolutely tragic, but

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it would also have been
absolutely tragic to have them

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for Neighbors because holy shit,
cut your neighbors, a little

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slack.
Hey question, was there a reason

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that the children had to be
completely nude?

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I didn’t understand.
Here’s the thing, I hope not

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actually, I hope there is no
reason, the children were nude

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other than fuck, close their
kids.

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What do they care?
Because the kids just made that

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choice.
They say, you know what?

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Yeah, I close it in.
I maybe got these that these

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dogs.
Here’s the thing, though.

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And we’re not just going to talk
about the Let the Fire Burn

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documentary.
But in that documentary, they

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interview, one of the only
survivors of the move bombing

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there were two survivors, and
one of them was a child and you

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can tell in that interview,
they’re really trying to get

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this kid to say that he was
being abused inside that house

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and he never does.
He like me This Magnificent when

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it comes up?
Yeah, so I mean I guess they

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just wanted to be naked.
I don’t know because the get it

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really didn’t.
Like that never is even

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suggested, which I like because
a lot of times with groups like

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this, you also here and the
leader, had a 14 year old wife.

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In this case, there’s not even
any of that.

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They’re just terrible neighbors.
You know, it sounds like a did,

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it didn’t even affect their into
the story without his having no

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clothing.
It really, was, is

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consequentially just happened to
be naked with dogs.

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So, here’s the, here’s the real
question.

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Did it need to be in that
documentary?

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34 if it’s not going anywhere we
could have cut that whole

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visual.
Yeah, yeah they just they just

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kind of shoehorn that in your
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That was the reason we’re
talking about move, even though

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it is the anniversary.
By the time this goes up the

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anniversary will have passed
last week, but when I was

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researching, those Jonestown
episodes, move came up very

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briefly and the author of that
Jonestown book called them, a

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creepy cult and I never really
thought of them as a cult.

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I just thought of them as a Who
got bombed by the Philadelphia

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police and I still don’t know if
cult is accurate.

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You know what?
I thought?

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Creepy cult to only I just
assumed when I came on with the

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kids, you know, close eyedolls
like oh well, clear, this is a

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creepy cult but then it makes a
sharp turn said, not caught.

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Like I feel that images of the
kids were there to kind of maybe

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persuade you to think it was
something that it wasn’t.

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Yeah.
Maybe I always feel like for

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group to be a cult, there has to
be some Some degree of

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confinement.
Like you can’t leave otherwise

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you’re just in a group like the
Boy Scouts push a lot of shit

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that I don’t care about and I
would find weird if someone

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asked me to want to learn it but
you can leave the Boy Scouts if

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you’re in it so it’s not a cult
and this like they’re weird.

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There are strange Bunch but they
don’t seem like they were

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abusive to each other which I
feel like also you need you kind

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of need that for a cult.
You do two things when I was

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Refill, a Boy Scout.
And my church.

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I could not leave to.
This is this feels like a cold.

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Placation anything.
A little bit.

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Yeah.
Oh yeah.

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Now it is called split station.
Is it definite thing now?

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Because we’ve run out of serial
killers to celebrate in this

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country.
So now we got to celebrate the

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works of awful Colts.
That’s why there’s all the same

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flicks series about them.
That makes sense, celebrating

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the cia’s handiwork.
So there’s also a documentary on

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HBO Max called 40 Years of
prison.

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Owner, which also touches on the
Move bombing, but focuses more

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on a group called.
The Move 9, who will talk about

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in a minute, actually should
have read ahead in my notes.

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Let’s talk about him right now.
There are a group of move

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members who were imprisoned over
in 1978, police, shootout, and

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they stayed in prison way longer
than anyone charged with the

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crime, they were charged with
should, but we’ll talk about the

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shootout later.
So, let’s talk about move first.

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Let’s talk about their beliefs
because this is a group.

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That still exists.
You can go to their website,

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it’s on a move.com.
If you want to check it out for

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yourself and these are their
teachings I guess from their own

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website.
And honestly, most of it doesn’t

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really sound that crazy and I
should mention I very much

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differentiate crazy from shit.
I wouldn’t want to do like I

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know there’s a lot of people
that love nature and being

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outside and they’re Not crazy.
I just disagree.

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I just don’t want to be out
there with them.

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So, all right, so all right,
let’s go through the first one,

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our religion life.
This is quote, each individual

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life is dependent on every other
life and all life has a purpose.

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So all living beings things that
move are equally important,

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whether they are human beings
dogs, Birds fish, trees, ants

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weeds, Rivers, wind or rain
sounds good.

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Also becomes a huge problem when
it comes to there.

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Predation with the neighbors.
Yeah, it does Point natural law,

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we believe in natural law.
The government of self man-made

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laws are not really laws because
they don’t apply equally to

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everyone, and they contain
exceptions and loopholes.

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I fucking love this last line.
So much natural law, says that

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when you see something getting
too close to your eye, you will

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blink.
Whether you are a German

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Shepherd or a Supreme Court
Justice.

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Fuck you.
You know what it that was their

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only Tenant.
It has been perfect.

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Yeah just laugh at that at that
at that already been so good.

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You can get behind it.
I feel like there’s room for

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this next one to though.
Self-defense.

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All living things instinctively
defend themselves.

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This is a god-given right of all
life.

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If a man goes into a bear’s
cave, he violates and threatens

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the Bears place of security, the
bear will defend his home by

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instinctively, fighting off the
man and eliminating him.

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The bear is not wrong, because
self-defense is right now.

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Is that a great Shannon is
followed by a great example that

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it’s an amazing example.
It’s better than what my example

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would have been which is forever
and always stay out of the

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ocean.
That does not belong to us as a

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close second.
I guess if you’re on a both you

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can be in the ocean I guess.
But other than that, no way I

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love when people are like you
got as much chance of getting

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struck by lightning as you do by
getting bit by a shark.

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It’s like yeah.
Cause I’m on land.

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That’s yeah, that’s why I’m Not
in.

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I have zero chance of getting
bit by a shark actually have way

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more chance to get struck by
lightning right and wrong.

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The fact that something is legal
under the system’s laws doesn’t

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make it right.
Slavery was legal, killing

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Native Americans, and stealing
their land was all done legally,

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John Africa taught us that what
is Right?

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Applies equally across the board
is something is right.

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It’s right for all of life, with
no separations, I should mention

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John Africa’s.
Founder of this group will get

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to their background in a second.
And yeah, there’s a lot more on

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the website about their kind of
beliefs and their work and who

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they are and what they do.
And yeah, go check it out if you

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want, more information.
But that’s kind of the broad

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overview of what this group
believes in again, doesn’t sound

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bad on paper.
But when it’s being put into

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action in your closely confined
neighborhood becomes a whole

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different thing.
Yeah, it did.

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If any group group should have
been the one to just go out in

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the middle of nowhere and build
a huge fucking compound.

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This was the one they didn’t
have guns.

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I mean, they had a few guns
Boone who doesn’t have a few

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guns in Philadelphia like that,
but they didn’t, they weren’t

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like stockpiling weapons.
They weren’t abusing anybody.

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They just were bad neighbors.
Yeah, you’re right.

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They should have an ex some
piece of land somewhere.

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They bake.
They weren’t meant to live

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amongst others who weren’t moved
members by move when he works

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with move.
Yeah, it’s a weird.

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Choice to reject technology and
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and then set up shop in The
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Hometown.
So that part went when they show

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them teaching the children like
really.

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I guess they Point towards the
camera.

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Say what is this?
They say technology and it will

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harm you.
Yeah.

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Like it was all.
So they kind of tow a line there

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because there’s no like
electricity or heat or anything

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in the house but they do drive
cars.

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Ours, which, so which one is it?
Yeah, it has.

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And here’s the thing.
If there’s one thing I know

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about Philadelphia, people are
tooling around on horses and

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Philadelphia all the fucking
time if there’s documentary.

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Yeah, there’s documentaries
about it.

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Do you mean like not just cops
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Average citizens slice Berg.
Not just average citizens black

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citizens.
It’s called Fletcher Street,

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Urban Riding Club, Google.
It look at the images.

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It looks like it.
Kind of looks like The Walking

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Dead because everyone looks
super Learn but also their on

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horses in the middle of the city
pretty fucking great.

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I didn’t know that was a thing.
So yeah, they could have, they

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could have got horses, they
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whatever, we’re not here to
criticize them, we’re here to

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criticize.
The police is correct.

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So let’s talk about a little bit
of the background of this group

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will link to everything we’re
talking about.

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There’s a couple really good
resources for if you just want a

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quick rundown about the the
history of move one.

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Is that Philadelphia
encyclopedia Dot-org archives, /

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move and the other is a Penn
State project with a URL that is

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way too long to bother reading.
You won’t remember it or write

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it down well, like to them both.
So let’s go through a little bit

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of it.
This group emerged in the early

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70s, as the American Christian
Movement for life or the

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Christian Life movement, was
founded by a guy named Vincent.

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Lee part AKA John Africa, he was
born into a huge family during

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the Depression served in the
Korean War.

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And when he came home, from the
Korean War, took a shot at in

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interior, design career in New
York City which was not a Twist

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I saw coming in this dude’s
background at all that was was

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different, especially at that
time because the Korean War, I

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mean, it never ended
technically.

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But I mean, that was done by the
50s who even knew interior

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design was a career.
It was he the first like, was he

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the first interior designer?
How’s that thing?

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About that, even get a position?
Let alone for like a black

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person, is Like yeah, pretty
Advanced but it doesn’t work.

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I can right there.
He, he ends up not becoming an

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interior designer and instead
returns to Philadelphia and in

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the 60s, he develops this
philosophy of life that centered

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around the belief that the
system, which he defined as

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man-made constructions of law
government and industry was the

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source of all problems.
And here’s the thing.

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Yep, I I think I agree with
that.

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Yeah, he had, he was out onto
something.

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He wrote the foundational texts
of the Which at various points

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has been called The Book of
guidelines, the book, the

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guidelines, and the teaching of
John Africa, as far.

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It’s interesting at the time, he
wrote them, he was functionally.

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Illiterate so he dictated the
words to a University of

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Pennsylvania.
Social worker named Donald

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glassy.
This is a 300 page text, I’m not

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lying, I would rather type it
than be the one who has to say,

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it all.
Yeah, yeah, that’s a lot as

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people who record podcasts, like
you Get through an hour of one

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of these.
And it’s like, oh, thank God,

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that’s over.
Is that they’ll try to with said

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quickly, learn how to read you
have.

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No choice.
Yeah.

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I guess this was quicker.
Yeah, yeah.

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When I do solo podcasts once I
hit like the 30-minute Mark, I’m

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like, kill me someone killed it.
He is a not intervene right now

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and my misery please.
They’re just gonna let this come

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out, huh?
All right, here’s where we get

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into the part.
It’s not bad.

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It’s just not for me.
It talked about the importance

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of Scavenging, composting,
eating raw foods and exercise I

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can get behind exercise.
We should all do that eating raw

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foods.
If science, got on television

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tomorrow and was like, the world
is going to end in 25 years if

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we don’t all start eating raw
foods right now, I’d be like

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let’s make these 25 years count
because I’m not eating Eating

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raw food.
Yeah, the group adopted the name

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move in 1972.
It’s an acronym.

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That means move.
In other words, it’s not an

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acronym, they just capitalize
the word to make it.

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Look cool.
Like every Indie band today,

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right?
I was sure something.

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But no, I did say, hey, make
sure we’re all real quick drink.

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Did you hear by the a stay
young?

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I think was, was his name.
Birdie Africa.

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The young kid.
Yeah, he mentioned that they

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they gave the kids raw chicken.
Get the fuck out of here.

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At that.
Yeah, that that right there of

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all days.
Rosted.

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Least frosting to eat.
Yeah, if the, if the police were

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were pitching shut in this group
down.

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That’s the only, that’s the one
point where I’d be like, all

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right, you at least, gotta get
those kids out of there.

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I also like the part where
Birdie Africa said that the

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adults didn’t eat raw food
because they weren’t used to it.

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It what was that a wolf?
No, that’s seem that seemed a

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little shady.
Like here’s your carrot.

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I’m going to Throw down on some
pizza rolls.

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Thank you very much because I’m
not used to it, but you will be

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you’ll get used to it Haley.
We’re just saying, I’m alright,

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the wall and seeing what sticks.
I’m already in adults, but

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you’re a kid.
You have time to grow into this

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raw chicken taste.
It’s too late for me.

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My arteries are trash, but yet a
feature of rottenness, the Raw

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Future.
So this group, they owned

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properties in Rochester, New
York, but lived communally Ali,

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primarily in West, Philadelphia
born and raised on the.

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Playground is where I spent most
of my days.

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Honestly, the opening lines of
the theme from The Fresh Prince

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of Bel-Air do work.
If you apply them to move, you

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just have to think of the couple
of guys who were up to no good.

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Who start causing trouble in the
neighborhood as the police.

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When I read your notes, I
thought about it it it almost

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blew my mind, right?
Yes.

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I mean the rest of it, almost
think that perfectly and yeah, I

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do.
I blame them for not living in

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Upstate New York, that pleases
fucking crazy.

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You think?
Philadelphia’s racist, they were

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Upstate New York.
They would have just bombed the

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whole town of Rochester to get
rid of this, who’s surprised

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they haven’t.
Now, let’s talk about some of

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the moves movements in 1974.
The group occupied a three and a

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half story.
Victorian house and eventually

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in adjoining house in the
Powell.

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Tin Village neighborhood in West
Philadelphia.

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Yeah.
Was their operational

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headquarters and living space
startups.

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Call it an incubator, they
operated a car wash and did odd

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jobs for elderly people around
the neighborhood.

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Earn money house heated by a
wood, burning stove children,

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homeschooled, which I don’t
normally criticize someone for

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choosing to home school their
kid.

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But the reason move homeschooled
their kids is because they

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specifically wanted them, not to
learn to read and write because

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Whoa, they viewed that, as a
false education.

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So in that case, but you have to
replace that with something.

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Yeah, you can’t just an IV want
to take it away.

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Then, what are you putting in
the education?

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Spike?
That’s, that’s not fair.

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And when I heard that I was
like, did the government start?

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This and who doesn’t want that
for people?

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Why would they?
Because they themselves had

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assumed?
It was some of the move members

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themselves are, literally can
read and write.

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So why would you reset your
children’s end nought?

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And they all know, that’s kind
of weird.

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In most of the write-ups about
this group.

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It says John Africa was
functionally illiterate at the

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time he wrote that text does
that mean he did learn to read

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and write at some point.
Right?

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Why would you say that the time
right?

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Yeah.
And that goes against this whole

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belief system wouldn’t, it’s
shocking to me that we are

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finding so many conflicts within
the teachings of a devoutly

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religious group, who would have
thought?

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Yeah.
Normally religious groups.

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Absolutely stick to everything.
They say, crazy, but still, I

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don’t drop a bomb on him.
God damn it.

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Yeah, we’re getting there.
So let’s talk about the

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neighbors, what ends up?
I just, I will say this, a few

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times throughout this podcast.
What ends up happening to move

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is a tragedy and one of the
darkest periods in American

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history that said, boy, were
they terrible neighbors?

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My God Powell Tintin, the, the
first neighborhood they set up

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in it was a relatively
Progressive neighborhood.

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So, move seemed like a good fit
at first, Thing is move didn’t

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just oppose the system.
They oppose societal structure

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in general case in point garbage
collection, that is structure

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move did not have their garbage
collected.

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They just tossed it in the
backyard as like, a crude form

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of composting that couldn’t have
been the end game.

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It’s not a game.
No.

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Like, and so, obviously it
smelled and as someone who at

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one point, when I had a studio
in Burbank, Failed to take the

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trash out in a timely manner
over the course of a couple

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days.
I know what happens when you

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just let trash, sit around it
attracts roaches and I learned

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that lesson, really hard as soon
as I had the studio.

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And then from there, I just took
the trash out every night so

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they were taking the trash out
every night out to the backyard

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and let it pile up and so it
attracted roaches and attractive

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rats.
But remember, we read that

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belief at the beginning of the
episode all living things are

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equal.
So that meant those rats and

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roaches deserve to be there and
they would not do anything to

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remove the rats and roaches or
the garbage.

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I’ll say that’s that’s the way I
can you say they deserve to be

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there but in that case the only
there because of the trash you

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left for them.
So it’s like watching a way to

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feed them.
Sliced pork that’s constructs of

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your world man.
You’re right I’ll take another

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box.
Yeah, in the box man, so it’s

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parked.
Crazy too.

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They also took in a large number
of stray animals and these

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animals eventually, they
accumulate enough that they form

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a pack and they just let it
wander freely around the city

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again.
Is that how you ended up in dog

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soldiers?
Like what do we what are you

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doing these packets?
Are you can’t just make these

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groups and just set him free
like what do you do with these

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dogs?
Yeah they part of our they move

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dogs.
They all had dreadlocks.

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Yeah, I mean yeah you sure did
that like That special message

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like don’t just be creative.
Yeah.

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Dread those dogs up.
Yeah yeah that’s the thing like

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instead of trying to like slowly
spread their message and hope

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people catch on and do it from
sort of a remote place.

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It’s like they just set up in
the middle of the city and we’re

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like, all right.
Everyone is going to have to

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take to how we live or you’re
fucked and seems like a bad

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approach.
You want to build like here’s

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00:23:21,100 –> 00:23:24,100
the thing, when you’re in a
black neighborhood.

438
00:23:24,200 –> 00:23:27,200
Neighborhood and you have built
up less Goodwill than the

439
00:23:27,200 –> 00:23:29,600
police.
That’s a problem because people

440
00:23:29,600 –> 00:23:32,500
immediately immediately start
going to the police.

441
00:23:32,800 –> 00:23:35,700
In this neighborhood.
In general, they mentioned in

442
00:23:35,900 –> 00:23:39,700
one of the articles that we read
for this that in this

443
00:23:39,700 –> 00:23:41,500
neighborhood, specifically, they
viewed.

444
00:23:41,500 –> 00:23:45,600
The mayor Frank Rizzo as just a
straight-up racist?

445
00:23:45,800 –> 00:23:47,900
How good do?
I couldn’t believe the shitty

446
00:23:47,900 –> 00:23:52,100
was saying, oh yeah, night and
in the 80s, like it was kind of

447
00:23:52,100 –> 00:23:53,700
a diesel fucked up.
That’s crazy.

448
00:23:53,800 –> 00:23:57,300
Seven.
An 80s were crazy, like 1970s

449
00:23:57,300 –> 00:24:02,200
New York state from New York
shit like but it was new like

450
00:24:02,200 –> 00:24:05,600
for real still open.
So yeah, because of all of this

451
00:24:05,700 –> 00:24:09,200
Powell 10 residents, who again
generally opposed the city

452
00:24:09,200 –> 00:24:13,300
government start complaining to
the city, government about move

453
00:24:13,400 –> 00:24:18,200
and that prompts a group of
Health Inspectors to show up at

454
00:24:18,200 –> 00:24:22,800
the move house on May 20th 1977
they were met on the porch by

455
00:24:22,800 –> 00:24:25,400
move members.
Dishing rifles.

456
00:24:25,600 –> 00:24:28,100
This is an important point
because if you watch the Let the

457
00:24:28,100 –> 00:24:32,000
Fire Burn documentary, you’ll
get a glimpse at the kind of

458
00:24:32,000 –> 00:24:34,700
weapons.
This group was toting around and

459
00:24:34,700 –> 00:24:38,600
they look like the weapons of a
group that has a wood-burning

460
00:24:38,600 –> 00:24:41,900
stove in their home.
Like they would accuse this

461
00:24:41,900 –> 00:24:45,100
group of having like automatic
weapons and then like the

462
00:24:45,100 –> 00:24:46,700
rifles.
They were holding here look like

463
00:24:46,700 –> 00:24:49,300
Civil War muskets.
They were just trying to like

464
00:24:49,300 –> 00:24:50,900
show off.
They weren’t it was.

465
00:24:51,100 –> 00:24:52,200
Wasn’t it?
Just a rat?

466
00:24:52,300 –> 00:24:58,300
Yeah, but this somehow turned
into To a 10-month standoff,

467
00:24:58,300 –> 00:25:02,600
where move members barricaded
themselves inside and police

468
00:25:02,600 –> 00:25:07,700
maintained a constant presence
outside for 10 months like what,

469
00:25:07,700 –> 00:25:10,500
you just throw the, we just
throw the trash away.

470
00:25:10,500 –> 00:25:12,500
Like, you know, that’s what
everyone living in.

471
00:25:12,500 –> 00:25:15,700
That neighborhood was like,
fucking just throw the trash

472
00:25:15,700 –> 00:25:18,400
away.
It’s all we want and maybe maybe

473
00:25:18,400 –> 00:25:21,200
train the pack of wild dogs.
Yeah.

474
00:25:21,200 –> 00:25:23,800
But you let run rampant through
the neighborhood.

475
00:25:23,900 –> 00:25:27,200
If it I won’t until his trash
away and train the dogs to take

476
00:25:27,200 –> 00:25:28,900
the trash to a dumpster or
landfill.

477
00:25:29,000 –> 00:25:33,600
Yeah, yeah.
This is like I wouldn’t ever Q’s

478
00:25:33,600 –> 00:25:37,100
this group of being affiliated
with the government because of

479
00:25:37,100 –> 00:25:42,700
how things end, but I will say
that this would be a brilliant

480
00:25:42,700 –> 00:25:47,900
thing for a government hoping to
break up mildly affluent to

481
00:25:47,900 –> 00:25:51,600
affluent black neighborhoods.
I thought about that, like, what

482
00:25:51,600 –> 00:25:54,900
a way to end it like, say is
this could have been, Then, ya

483
00:25:54,900 –> 00:25:57,700
know, the way it did, it wasn’t
the government, but no

484
00:25:57,700 –> 00:26:00,400
definitely not, but I wouldn’t
be surprised if the government

485
00:26:00,400 –> 00:26:04,200
was like, this is notes.
Should we try this?

486
00:26:04,400 –> 00:26:08,600
So we just send a crazy cult
into every well-off black

487
00:26:08,600 –> 00:26:10,200
neighborhood.
So, everyone moves.

488
00:26:11,300 –> 00:26:16,900
So, in March 1978 mayor, Frank
Rizzo obtained, an order to

489
00:26:16,900 –> 00:26:21,300
blockade, the move house, cut
off, water, and prevented anyone

490
00:26:21,300 –> 00:26:23,000
from getting supplies to the
house.

491
00:26:23,300 –> 00:26:27,300
Here’s a quote from Rizzo a
small vocal minority Among Us,

492
00:26:27,300 –> 00:26:30,600
seeks to destroy the heritage of
1776.

493
00:26:30,900 –> 00:26:35,100
I wonder what he means by that.
That has to be one of the most

494
00:26:35,100 –> 00:26:41,900
coated loaded, dog, whistling
super racist, for father

495
00:26:41,900 –> 00:26:43,800
bullshit.
I’ve heard I guess that’s.

496
00:26:43,800 –> 00:26:47,200
That means something there’s
like a call to arms or

497
00:26:47,200 –> 00:26:48,100
something.
Yeah.

498
00:26:48,100 –> 00:26:51,400
There’s there’s a clip of this
moment in the Let the Fire Burn

499
00:26:51,400 –> 00:26:53,800
documentary.
And even though I watched it

500
00:26:53,800 –> 00:26:57,800
last night, And I know there’s
not, I still, when I replay this

501
00:26:57,800 –> 00:27:01,600
scene from the documentary in my
head, I see a Confederate flag

502
00:27:01,700 –> 00:27:05,400
background but there wasn’t one
in the documentary is just no,

503
00:27:05,400 –> 00:27:07,500
there should have been.
No, that’s just how good his

504
00:27:07,500 –> 00:27:09,700
words were.
It’s they stood there for you.

505
00:27:09,900 –> 00:27:11,800
Yeah.
Messner was an order.

506
00:27:12,100 –> 00:27:14,300
Makes a flat Confederate flag
appear before your eyes.

507
00:27:14,300 –> 00:27:19,800
You see those words he does.
And so they do this, this

508
00:27:19,800 –> 00:27:23,700
blockade, he goes in and
basically blocks off.

509
00:27:24,100 –> 00:27:28,100
SS to the move house, but it
also blocks off access to the

510
00:27:28,100 –> 00:27:30,600
entire block that the move house
is on.

511
00:27:30,900 –> 00:27:34,900
So now these residents who just
wanted move to clean up their

512
00:27:34,900 –> 00:27:39,200
trash and not let the dogs out.
Now, they have to get police

513
00:27:39,200 –> 00:27:42,100
escorts just to, and from their
house.

514
00:27:42,200 –> 00:27:43,800
So it just made it worse for
them.

515
00:27:44,200 –> 00:27:47,300
And eventually, an agreement was
worked out where move would

516
00:27:47,300 –> 00:27:50,500
surrender their weapons.
Allow an inspection of the house

517
00:27:50,500 –> 00:27:53,800
and leave by August 1st.
In exchange, the city agreed not

518
00:27:53,800 –> 00:27:57,700
to her Members who didn’t have
warrants and to expedite Trials

519
00:27:57,700 –> 00:28:01,000
of jailed members move violated
the agreement by staying at the

520
00:28:01,008 –> 00:28:03,400
Powell tune home after August
1st.

521
00:28:03,700 –> 00:28:06,400
Okay, so I have a question.
Yes, I kind of wish you didn’t

522
00:28:06,600 –> 00:28:10,100
mess that agreement up because I
really want to know what if the

523
00:28:10,100 –> 00:28:13,500
cops would have kept their word,
you know, I mean or if yeah

524
00:28:13,500 –> 00:28:17,300
that’s the thing like by being
the the side that violated the

525
00:28:17,300 –> 00:28:20,400
agreement like you gotta Force,
I had to say to folks they hand

526
00:28:20,400 –> 00:28:24,000
but like now you know, like they
escalated, it sucks.

527
00:28:24,100 –> 00:28:25,300
Yes.
Yeah, who knows?

528
00:28:25,300 –> 00:28:27,700
If the police were actually
going to follow through, maybe

529
00:28:27,700 –> 00:28:31,400
they were gonna gonna gonna do
them like Ray Allen at the end

530
00:28:31,400 –> 00:28:35,400
of, He Got Game and not let Dad
out of prison.

531
00:28:35,400 –> 00:28:37,600
I that’s a deep Spike Lee cut
everybody.

532
00:28:37,600 –> 00:28:41,700
This is but yeah, because they
violated the agreement, it gave

533
00:28:41,700 –> 00:28:45,000
a kind of just gave the police a
mandate to do something, a

534
00:28:45,000 –> 00:28:47,600
little more extreme and, oh,
boy, on the morning of you,

535
00:28:47,600 –> 00:28:49,100
there’s a reason I was like a
chubby.

536
00:28:49,100 –> 00:28:51,700
There’s a reason that it will in
a Min like, were they be, they

537
00:28:51,700 –> 00:28:53,400
didn’t want them in there for a
reason.

538
00:28:53,400 –> 00:28:56,200
I mean they were Inspectors.
It sounds like they definitely

539
00:28:56,200 –> 00:28:58,300
didn’t want Health Inspectors in
their house.

540
00:28:58,400 –> 00:29:00,500
Not in that backyard at least,
right?

541
00:29:00,500 –> 00:29:03,600
Because that was probably going
to get the house condemned at

542
00:29:03,600 –> 00:29:06,000
which point they would have had
to leave.

543
00:29:06,000 –> 00:29:10,300
So this was a pretty fair
agreement, like it’s a decent

544
00:29:10,300 –> 00:29:13,300
settlement to especially a
10-month standoff and you’re not

545
00:29:13,300 –> 00:29:15,300
getting arrested if you didn’t
have warrants before.

546
00:29:15,400 –> 00:29:17,900
Yeah, kind of.
Yeah like I want, why did they

547
00:29:17,900 –> 00:29:20,700
not take the deal?
Yeah, it’s it’s just, it’s one

548
00:29:20,700 –> 00:29:23,800
of those moments where you’re
like, oh, this didn’t have to

549
00:29:23,800 –> 00:29:26,600
go.
This way but Dill it doesn’t

550
00:29:26,600 –> 00:29:30,100
justify what the police ended up
doing Rising.

551
00:29:30,100 –> 00:29:31,800
That’s what works project you
have to say that.

552
00:29:31,800 –> 00:29:34,900
I mean yes, yeah they sure took
the deal but no, it should end

553
00:29:34,900 –> 00:29:37,400
it this way.
And so on the morning of August

554
00:29:37,400 –> 00:29:41,600
8th, police with bullhorns
surrounded, the move home and

555
00:29:41,600 –> 00:29:43,500
demanded that the occupants come
out.

556
00:29:43,500 –> 00:29:46,600
When they didn’t the police
bulldoze, the wooden barricade

557
00:29:46,600 –> 00:29:49,400
that had been constructed in
front of the house, a cherry

558
00:29:49,400 –> 00:29:52,500
picker removed, the wood slats
mounted on the windows and then

559
00:29:52,500 –> 00:29:56,200
they use high-pressure hoses.
To blast thousands of gallons of

560
00:29:56,200 –> 00:29:58,900
water into the house.
What is the official weapon?

561
00:29:58,900 –> 00:30:02,200
The races everywhere?
Yeah, it’s very much is he’s

562
00:30:02,400 –> 00:30:04,000
especially this Philadelphia
police.

563
00:30:04,000 –> 00:30:07,500
They love firing up firefighter
hose at a house that’s gonna go

564
00:30:07,508 –> 00:30:09,500
unless you so firefighter
equipment.

565
00:30:09,600 –> 00:30:12,200
And it shouldn’t be used to be
able to use it on people.

566
00:30:12,300 –> 00:30:14,500
Yeah.
What if there was a fire nearby

567
00:30:14,600 –> 00:30:16,800
and here we thought I fucking
water on a house.

568
00:30:16,800 –> 00:30:20,300
Yeah that’s not on fire yet.
You’re hoarding all the water to

569
00:30:20,300 –> 00:30:25,500
settle an episode of Fear Thy
Neighbor on We I can calm down.

570
00:30:25,600 –> 00:30:29,200
That’s great.
So a shootout ensues and police

571
00:30:29,200 –> 00:30:33,600
officer James ramp was killed,
two other officers, and three

572
00:30:33,600 –> 00:30:37,500
firefighters were wounded and
the police, finally clear the

573
00:30:37,500 –> 00:30:41,700
house using tear gas, making
sure to violently beat move

574
00:30:41,700 –> 00:30:44,400
member Delbert Africa in the
process.

575
00:30:44,700 –> 00:30:48,200
And this is a beating that was
some bullshit like quite what

576
00:30:48,200 –> 00:30:50,500
the fuck was that about?
Like that was a straight week.

577
00:30:50,600 –> 00:30:53,700
Like they hate move like they
couldn’t wait to get their hands

578
00:30:53,700 –> 00:30:55,100
on the move.
They just beat the shit out of

579
00:30:55,100 –> 00:30:58,400
them and they play a clip where
one of the cops is like yeah we

580
00:30:58,400 –> 00:31:02,000
hit him on the head with a metal
helmet once but if Philadelphia

581
00:31:02,000 –> 00:31:05,400
Inquirer was filming and they
like they were coming up taking

582
00:31:05,400 –> 00:31:09,000
turns stomping on this dude and
beating this dude but you don’t.

583
00:31:09,000 –> 00:31:10,500
But that’s the worst part about
it.

584
00:31:10,500 –> 00:31:13,400
He said we hit him on the head
with a metal helmet.

585
00:31:13,400 –> 00:31:16,000
Once fight that’s like saying
you shot somebody.

586
00:31:16,200 –> 00:31:18,300
But they’re not talking about
that or we come into pieces

587
00:31:18,600 –> 00:31:20,300
play, you’re burning the read
you.

588
00:31:20,500 –> 00:31:24,400
Yeah, that’s my all you did.
I like the way the Henry

589
00:31:24,400 –> 00:31:28,200
presents it to because when he’s
saying that they show this clip

590
00:31:28,200 –> 00:31:31,800
where you can just sort of see
the helmet flying through the

591
00:31:31,800 –> 00:31:35,600
air, but it’s ABS here and shit,
it’s obscured by this truck.

592
00:31:35,900 –> 00:31:39,100
So you’re like huh I wonder if
they did really beat him and

593
00:31:39,100 –> 00:31:42,600
then like 10 seconds later it’s
just them standing over him.

594
00:31:42,600 –> 00:31:45,300
Stomping the guy.
It’s like oh yeah, they beat the

595
00:31:45,300 –> 00:31:47,900
shit out of this dude, that’s
crazy, but if you can believe

596
00:31:47,900 –> 00:31:53,200
this three of the cops were
arrested and tried for this and

597
00:31:53,300 –> 00:31:56,100
they were acquitted.
On all charges even though there

598
00:31:56,100 –> 00:31:59,300
was video taped evidence in what
world does that happen.

599
00:31:59,400 –> 00:32:02,600
It happens.
Also even in this even back then

600
00:32:02,700 –> 00:32:06,200
with our minor technology
somehow, we got to hold a

601
00:32:06,200 –> 00:32:09,600
straight video and they’re like,
hmm, I can’t make out what

602
00:32:09,600 –> 00:32:11,100
happened.
Sorry, not guilty.

603
00:32:11,200 –> 00:32:16,200
Yeah, that like I could see that
having been like the first

604
00:32:16,200 –> 00:32:21,300
Rodney King incident if not for
everything else that happened,

605
00:32:21,600 –> 00:32:23,700
right?
Because when you take,

606
00:32:24,100 –> 00:32:27,000
Everything the police did to
this group into account beating

607
00:32:27,000 –> 00:32:31,400
up one guy is kind of minor.
So it like it’s like it just got

608
00:32:31,400 –> 00:32:35,800
overshadowed but it really is
the probably the first example

609
00:32:35,800 –> 00:32:39,600
of a police beating being caught
on film like that definitely.

610
00:32:39,800 –> 00:32:43,900
Meanwhile the cops get acquitted
on all charges but 11 move

611
00:32:43,900 –> 00:32:47,500
members were tried on charges of
murder, aggravated assault and

612
00:32:47,500 –> 00:32:51,500
conspiracy and I should clarify
third-degree murder which is the

613
00:32:51,500 –> 00:32:54,000
the B baby murder not murdering
babies.

614
00:32:54,100 –> 00:32:57,000
He’s but it’s the baby of
murder, right?

615
00:32:57,200 –> 00:33:01,200
And move argued that they didn’t
kill ramp and that he was

616
00:33:01,200 –> 00:33:05,400
actually killed by friendly fire
from his own police and that the

617
00:33:05,400 –> 00:33:08,700
evidence of this was covered up
when the city immediately

618
00:33:09,000 –> 00:33:12,600
bulldozed the house and I mean,
it is weird that they bulldoze

619
00:33:12,600 –> 00:33:17,200
that house that quick.
They bulldozed it by the night

620
00:33:17,200 –> 00:33:21,100
of the shootout.
I believes that because moved in

621
00:33:21,100 –> 00:33:23,200
have the technology technology
102.

622
00:33:24,000 –> 00:33:25,900
Firepower vote for this kind of
shoot out.

623
00:33:25,900 –> 00:33:27,800
So it’s like I’ve been just kind
of sitting there.

624
00:33:27,800 –> 00:33:29,500
Just sitting there while I
getting fired up on.

625
00:33:29,500 –> 00:33:32,100
I don’t think they’ve returned
probably no more than maybe four

626
00:33:32,100 –> 00:33:37,400
or five shots at best.
Yeah, I mean they it’s the way

627
00:33:37,400 –> 00:33:39,700
they bulldoze that house you
have to take into account.

628
00:33:39,700 –> 00:33:42,800
They they were obviously
considering that a crime scene.

629
00:33:43,100 –> 00:33:45,900
They’re saying a murder happened
from inside that house and you

630
00:33:45,900 –> 00:33:48,400
bulldoze the crime scene.
Nope.

631
00:33:48,400 –> 00:33:53,900
Yeah, that’s yeah, that is.
That is not a thing very Ceci.

632
00:33:54,000 –> 00:33:59,200
So in May 1989 of the defendants
were found guilty and sentenced

633
00:33:59,200 –> 00:34:04,700
to prison terms ranging from 30
years to 100 years for

634
00:34:04,700 –> 00:34:09,500
third-degree murder and the
obvious question posed by a move

635
00:34:09,500 –> 00:34:11,699
member in the Let the Fire Burn
documentary.

636
00:34:11,699 –> 00:34:15,100
How 29 people kill one person in
a shootout?

637
00:34:15,100 –> 00:34:19,100
Very good question.
They’re like that’s why firing

638
00:34:19,100 –> 00:34:22,800
squads work the way they do like
everyone shoots.

639
00:34:22,800 –> 00:34:25,199
So no one really knows.
He knows who killed the person

640
00:34:25,199 –> 00:34:26,800
so you don’t have to live with
that guilt.

641
00:34:26,800 –> 00:34:29,900
All your life but they’re,
they’re sure that nine people

642
00:34:29,900 –> 00:34:32,000
fired.
The one bullet that killed, this

643
00:34:32,000 –> 00:34:35,000
guy very suspicious, this is a
Magic Bullet, but the one that

644
00:34:35,000 –> 00:34:38,900
killed Kennedy, we do accept
that answer as a government,

645
00:34:38,900 –> 00:34:40,100
that’s for sure.
Yes.

646
00:34:40,199 –> 00:34:44,600
So this group came to be known
as the move 9 and in the Years

647
00:34:44,600 –> 00:34:48,300
following moves protest focused
on getting the move.

648
00:34:48,300 –> 00:34:51,300
Nine out of prison, we haven’t
mentioned their protest yet,

649
00:34:51,300 –> 00:34:55,300
that’s also a thing because it
plays Pretty heavily into what

650
00:34:55,300 –> 00:34:58,400
happens next.
Basically, they employed this

651
00:34:58,400 –> 00:35:04,200
technique called strategized
profanity which involved showing

652
00:35:04,200 –> 00:35:07,700
up in public, like they would go
to zoos because they were big

653
00:35:07,700 –> 00:35:10,800
animal rights people, they would
show up at court houses and they

654
00:35:10,800 –> 00:35:14,700
would show up with bull horns
and Not only would they shout

655
00:35:14,700 –> 00:35:19,600
their demands and protests and
rants they would just lace in

656
00:35:19,600 –> 00:35:24,100
profanity at every Point
possible and it’s kind of Funny

657
00:35:24,100 –> 00:35:28,200
to watch because that is a, I
mean, it’s a peaceful protest

658
00:35:28,200 –> 00:35:31,200
isn’t though?
I mean, it’s an assault on our

659
00:35:31,200 –> 00:35:35,000
delicate sensibilities.
They were actually some of them

660
00:35:35,000 –> 00:35:38,500
were funny like there was one
where guy just would not stop

661
00:35:38,500 –> 00:35:40,900
saying motherfuckers.
Yes, that.

662
00:35:40,900 –> 00:35:44,500
Yeah, that dude was great.
So I’m going to assume that

663
00:35:44,500 –> 00:35:47,500
someone is in that like I’m
jumping ahead a little bit but

664
00:35:47,800 –> 00:35:51,900
to the actual place special
compound before it got got blown

665
00:35:51,900 –> 00:35:54,700
up, it had the loudspeaker Side
of it.

666
00:35:54,800 –> 00:35:58,600
Yeah, so I’m assuming 24/7.
There’s a guy out there, just

667
00:35:58,600 –> 00:36:02,200
holding the mic, just letting it
rip with everything every crazy

668
00:36:02,200 –> 00:36:02,500
shit.
Again.

669
00:36:02,500 –> 00:36:06,500
Think it’s just just go, that’s
kind of the problem because

670
00:36:06,500 –> 00:36:15,400
after this 1978 shooting they
end up relocating in 1982 to a

671
00:36:15,400 –> 00:36:19,700
home on Osage Avenue in West
Philadelphia owned by John

672
00:36:19,700 –> 00:36:24,200
Africa, Sister Louise James and
they continue to demand And that

673
00:36:24,200 –> 00:36:29,200
the move 9 be released and no
one was paying any attention or

674
00:36:29,200 –> 00:36:32,500
responding at all.
So in late 1983, they put a

675
00:36:32,500 –> 00:36:37,200
loudspeaker outside their house
and just broadcast their demands

676
00:36:37,400 –> 00:36:41,200
on a loop 24 hours a day.
So you’re living in this

677
00:36:41,200 –> 00:36:43,700
neighborhood.
Which again, this is like a

678
00:36:43,700 –> 00:36:46,300
middle class.
These are middle class, black

679
00:36:46,300 –> 00:36:48,700
homeowners, basically it all
sucks.

680
00:36:48,900 –> 00:36:50,600
Okay?
Speak for all black people but I

681
00:36:50,600 –> 00:36:54,200
will speak about black people
and say we would rather not The

682
00:36:54,200 –> 00:36:57,700
cops are the black people, but
they usually have their hands

683
00:36:57,700 –> 00:36:59,600
pretty much tied with this
situation.

684
00:36:59,800 –> 00:37:02,300
You should didn’t make any
friends with neighborhood.

685
00:37:02,300 –> 00:37:04,600
They didn’t try to recruit.
They were just whoever they were

686
00:37:04,600 –> 00:37:08,400
like isolated and just didn’t
try to build relationships in

687
00:37:08,408 –> 00:37:10,300
the community that didn’t help
him.

688
00:37:10,600 –> 00:37:14,600
Yeah, they didn’t try to earn
any Goodwill at all with their

689
00:37:14,600 –> 00:37:17,900
neighbors.
Which I mean, it’s a black

690
00:37:17,900 –> 00:37:19,900
neighborhood.
You could probably recruit some

691
00:37:19,900 –> 00:37:22,500
of them to your cause if he is
them.

692
00:37:22,600 –> 00:37:27,400
Yeah, but instead they set up
this fucking loudspeaker and now

693
00:37:27,400 –> 00:37:31,300
those neighbors, they are not
about that shit at all.

694
00:37:31,300 –> 00:37:36,300
So they start complaining a lot
and there’s a new mayor by this

695
00:37:36,300 –> 00:37:39,900
point mayor W Wilson good
Philadelphia’s.

696
00:37:39,900 –> 00:37:44,900
First black mayor and he wanted
no part of another violent

697
00:37:44,900 –> 00:37:48,900
confrontation with move so he
didn’t really do anything to

698
00:37:48,900 –> 00:37:50,600
address.
The neighbors complaints, he was

699
00:37:50,600 –> 00:37:53,100
just like, oh, can that just
work itself out?

700
00:37:53,100 –> 00:37:56,600
Please I hate this guy.
Yeah, how many reasons but I’ll

701
00:37:56,600 –> 00:37:59,300
save it?
Yeah, he’s a real piece of shit.

702
00:37:59,400 –> 00:38:02,200
I will mention we’ve been
talking about the Let the Fire

703
00:38:02,200 –> 00:38:04,800
Burn documentary.
It’s kind of hard to find right

704
00:38:04,800 –> 00:38:08,300
now, but if you have a library
card, you can watch it for free

705
00:38:08,500 –> 00:38:11,500
on a site called canopy.com
without ads.

706
00:38:11,500 –> 00:38:14,200
I was sure there’s going to be
ads every 15 minutes but nope.

707
00:38:14,200 –> 00:38:16,200
Yes, pretty sweet.
No, it’s yeah.

708
00:38:16,200 –> 00:38:19,000
It was that’s kind of cool.
I’ve never heard never heard of

709
00:38:19,000 –> 00:38:21,300
that site and they got they got
a bunch of shit that you can’t

710
00:38:21,300 –> 00:38:23,500
find anywhere else.
Just get a library card, you

711
00:38:23,500 –> 00:38:24,800
should.
Have one anyway, what if you’re

712
00:38:24,800 –> 00:38:27,300
homeless someday?
All right, so, it’s, you will

713
00:38:27,300 –> 00:38:32,600
bet.
Yeah, you can also tell how put

714
00:38:32,600 –> 00:38:36,100
off by this, the neighbors were
because not only do they call

715
00:38:36,100 –> 00:38:39,800
the police.
They also testify at a hearing

716
00:38:39,900 –> 00:38:43,700
later where it’s like, yeah,
what happened to them?

717
00:38:43,700 –> 00:38:46,600
Was bad, my house got burned
down, but you don’t understand

718
00:38:46,600 –> 00:38:50,200
the garbage, man.
The fucking garbage the the

719
00:38:50,300 –> 00:38:53,600
Around the Clock messages, it
drove.

720
00:38:53,800 –> 00:38:56,500
People crazy as a lot.
Yeah.

721
00:38:56,700 –> 00:39:02,500
And that’s what I think is most
worth watching in the, Let the

722
00:39:02,500 –> 00:39:06,000
Fire Burn documentary, I mean,
it’s a good documentary in

723
00:39:06,000 –> 00:39:11,300
general but you get to see these
neighbors testify and talk about

724
00:39:11,400 –> 00:39:15,600
their experience, living in this
situation and it really does at

725
00:39:15,600 –> 00:39:18,000
least make it clear that the
neighbors in this.

726
00:39:18,000 –> 00:39:21,100
Even though they’re the ones who
called the police or notified

727
00:39:21,100 –> 00:39:23,600
officials, they’re not really
the enemy here.

728
00:39:23,700 –> 00:39:27,100
And I feel like there is no
blame to go around for the

729
00:39:27,100 –> 00:39:28,300
Neighbors.
Yeah, I agree.

730
00:39:28,400 –> 00:39:31,000
I mean someone was going to call
the police.

731
00:39:31,300 –> 00:39:33,900
Sure.
Hi we’re tuned, on doctors.

732
00:39:33,900 –> 00:39:35,800
I’m Liz melee.
I’m Maria shehata.

733
00:39:35,900 –> 00:39:38,200
We have a podcast, I don’t know
how he got it.

734
00:39:38,200 –> 00:39:40,800
Well, we’re comedians.
We stopped getting actual stage

735
00:39:40,800 –> 00:39:43,300
time so we turn to the internet.
We have a lot of questions about

736
00:39:43,300 –> 00:39:45,400
health.
We talk about what we want to

737
00:39:45,400 –> 00:39:48,700
know more about and then we
asked our fans to tell us if

738
00:39:48,700 –> 00:39:50,600
we’re right.
And we’re very rarely, right?

739
00:39:50,600 –> 00:39:52,100
We’re never right.
We’ve been learning a lot

740
00:39:52,100 –> 00:39:54,300
through Google.
Our first episode is about Maria

741
00:39:54,300 –> 00:39:57,500
having misophonia to me.
Discussing dyslexia was up that

742
00:39:57,500 –> 00:39:59,300
people feel like they know a
little bit about and want to

743
00:39:59,300 –> 00:40:02,100
know more about to us
discovering stuff, with neither

744
00:40:02,100 –> 00:40:04,800
of us knew much about like ASMR.
My mom’s on the show.

745
00:40:04,900 –> 00:40:07,100
My mom is a veterinarian.
I’m pretty sure she’s gonna

746
00:40:07,100 –> 00:40:09,700
replace us at some point.
We are on the on pops Network.

747
00:40:09,700 –> 00:40:12,900
They saw our potential and was
like we think some day you guys

748
00:40:12,900 –> 00:40:16,600
will actually have value which
is an unpopular opinion if

749
00:40:16,607 –> 00:40:20,200
you’re not doctors.
Don’t know us seriously guys we

750
00:40:20,200 –> 00:40:23,400
don’t know we’re talking about
so they start complaining.

751
00:40:23,700 –> 00:40:27,100
And nothing’s getting done
because this new mayor doesn’t

752
00:40:27,100 –> 00:40:31,000
want that confrontation.
So they take their grievances

753
00:40:31,100 –> 00:40:34,300
directly to the governor guy
named, Richard thornberg and

754
00:40:34,300 –> 00:40:36,200
they sent him.
This statement, we are here to

755
00:40:36,200 –> 00:40:39,800
let the governor know about the
disc quietude and General State

756
00:40:39,800 –> 00:40:42,400
of Terror.
We are forced to live under by

757
00:40:42,400 –> 00:40:44,900
The Move Organization.
We want the governor to know

758
00:40:44,900 –> 00:40:48,300
that regardless of whatever may
have happened in the past today.

759
00:40:48,300 –> 00:40:51,600
Move is a clear and present
danger to the health and safety

760
00:40:51,600 –> 00:40:54,500
of our entire block.
We also, The governor to know

761
00:40:54,500 –> 00:40:57,400
that we have been to our
elective representatives in the

762
00:40:57,400 –> 00:41:00,700
city and state government, but
to date, nothing of any

763
00:41:00,700 –> 00:41:03,900
consequence has been done.
We are now asking Governor

764
00:41:03,900 –> 00:41:07,200
thornburgh to step in and deal
with this situation.

765
00:41:07,600 –> 00:41:10,700
Whoops, it was the worst part of
that letter is what that letter

766
00:41:10,700 –> 00:41:13,700
is literally caught blotched,
donate.

767
00:41:13,700 –> 00:41:17,400
When I saw that letter, there’s
like, okay, let’s fuck some shit

768
00:41:17,400 –> 00:41:20,900
up very much.
So because that’s really all

769
00:41:20,900 –> 00:41:23,500
they needed because the mayor
didn’t want to be the one.

770
00:41:23,700 –> 00:41:25,200
To say, yeah, this is a huge
problem.

771
00:41:25,200 –> 00:41:27,500
We got to deal with it, but once
the people are saying it.

772
00:41:27,500 –> 00:41:29,600
Yeah, that’s it’s a whole other
thing.

773
00:41:29,600 –> 00:41:33,700
And little sidebar here.
I knew I recognized the name

774
00:41:33,700 –> 00:41:38,600
dick, thornburgh from somewhere.
He is the governor that was

775
00:41:38,600 –> 00:41:41,700
caught in this corruption
Scandal, where he was using

776
00:41:41,700 –> 00:41:47,200
State funds to pay her for his
wife’s travel, and that ends up

777
00:41:47,200 –> 00:41:51,500
being exposed by a guy named
Budd Dwyer, who was kind of

778
00:41:51,500 –> 00:41:55,800
forced to expose it, because it
His job and someone brought it

779
00:41:55,800 –> 00:41:57,700
to him and he was like, well,
I’m the accountant here.

780
00:41:57,700 –> 00:42:02,700
I got to say something and
thornburgh basically framed Budd

781
00:42:02,700 –> 00:42:07,900
Dwyer in retaliation for that
and things spun so far out of

782
00:42:07,908 –> 00:42:11,200
control for Budd Dwyer people
who know the name know what’s

783
00:42:11,200 –> 00:42:13,600
coming next.
He shot himself in the head

784
00:42:13,600 –> 00:42:18,600
during a live televised press
conference and that was in large

785
00:42:18,600 –> 00:42:21,200
part due to the actions of
Governor.

786
00:42:21,200 –> 00:42:25,100
Richard thornberg.
So fuck this guy in His face is

787
00:42:25,100 –> 00:42:28,700
the worst anyway.
Thornburg finally forces mayor.

788
00:42:28,700 –> 00:42:31,700
Good to act.
And the plan is to one, remove

789
00:42:31,700 –> 00:42:34,200
the children from the home on
the grounds that they were being

790
00:42:34,200 –> 00:42:36,800
illegally.
Held from school and to execute,

791
00:42:36,800 –> 00:42:41,100
arrest warrants on for move
members and so around 6:00 a.m.

792
00:42:41,100 –> 00:42:43,900
Police.
Commissioner Gregory Sam bore

793
00:42:43,900 –> 00:42:47,900
shouts, from a bullhorn that the
residents of the home, have 15

794
00:42:47,900 –> 00:42:50,400
minutes to vacate, and he
doesn’t just shout that he says

795
00:42:50,400 –> 00:42:54,400
move, this is America.
You have to Come out.

796
00:42:54,500 –> 00:43:01,200
It’s like fuck you.
Yes, this is am like yeah, and

797
00:43:01,200 –> 00:43:05,500
so that didn’t happen and a
shootout ensues in which

798
00:43:05,500 –> 00:43:09,100
according to the Philadelphia
special investigation commission

799
00:43:09,300 –> 00:43:12,700
police fired over.
This is a quote over ten

800
00:43:12,700 –> 00:43:17,500
thousand rounds of ammunition in
under 90 minutes at a row house

801
00:43:17,500 –> 00:43:23,200
containing children and quote
and yep, they shot that fucking

802
00:43:23,200 –> 00:43:25,700
place.
Us up knowing there were kids

803
00:43:25,700 –> 00:43:30,200
that they were there to get the
kids which that, which that is

804
00:43:30,200 –> 00:43:32,500
the same thing as Waco where
they were like, yeah.

805
00:43:32,500 –> 00:43:35,600
All right we got to come in and
get these kids better throw some

806
00:43:35,600 –> 00:43:39,200
flash grenades in the room and
of course they break out the

807
00:43:39,200 –> 00:43:43,100
fire hoses again, it just meal
was a gunfight this a one-sided?

808
00:43:43,100 –> 00:43:46,600
This one like like yeah,
literally just they were just

809
00:43:46,600 –> 00:43:48,500
shooting at them.
Why they were just getting shot

810
00:43:48,500 –> 00:43:50,100
at?
I kind of feel like that

811
00:43:50,100 –> 00:43:54,000
happened in both cases.
I honestly wonder if Of was

812
00:43:54,000 –> 00:43:57,600
doing any shooting at all.
And how do you feel about the

813
00:43:57,600 –> 00:43:59,100
footage of the room?
That’s why I say it’s like a

814
00:43:59,107 –> 00:44:03,000
movie because they’re reporting
here, these fucking reporters.

815
00:44:03,100 –> 00:44:06,000
Give these guys fucking enemies.
Purple Hearts by the fucking

816
00:44:06,000 –> 00:44:07,900
gear up for this reason, a life
for this shit.

817
00:44:07,900 –> 00:44:11,000
Yeah guys.
Ducking low on live television

818
00:44:11,000 –> 00:44:14,900
doing a fucking shootout.
There’s one we’re just a ton of

819
00:44:14,900 –> 00:44:18,000
shots start going off in the guy
turns around and goes sounds

820
00:44:18,000 –> 00:44:21,600
like they’re shooting and the
police are like move it was

821
00:44:21,900 –> 00:44:26,000
doing and he’s like Alright,
then, he starts trying to talk

822
00:44:26,000 –> 00:44:28,500
on camera again.
Like you are going.

823
00:44:28,500 –> 00:44:31,200
Get shot.
These reporters went so hard in

824
00:44:31,200 –> 00:44:34,500
the paint and who got the
footage of a cop car driving up

825
00:44:34,500 –> 00:44:36,700
popping.
His trunk delivering more ammo

826
00:44:36,700 –> 00:44:41,000
to his buddies.
Yeah, is that crazy shit because

827
00:44:41,000 –> 00:44:44,800
what happened is they they
vacated that entire block before

828
00:44:44,800 –> 00:44:46,900
they did this.
So there were police and

829
00:44:46,900 –> 00:44:50,600
reporters in people’s houses
like filming and shit.

830
00:44:50,700 –> 00:44:55,100
And yeah, the footage of this
moment and 1978 shootout.

831
00:44:55,100 –> 00:44:58,500
Both the footage in this
documentary is insane.

832
00:44:58,600 –> 00:45:02,600
Like they found a lot and it is
fascinating to watch.

833
00:45:02,600 –> 00:45:04,600
Like imagine that happening now
today.

834
00:45:04,600 –> 00:45:07,300
A lot of TV like that would
people lose their shit.

835
00:45:07,400 –> 00:45:11,900
Oh the protest the throat.
Like that’s the thing news like

836
00:45:11,900 –> 00:45:13,800
this.
When you’re dealing with

837
00:45:13,900 –> 00:45:17,500
mainstream media especially when
you when you’re getting into

838
00:45:17,500 –> 00:45:20,700
like New York Times and shit
like that, if they don’t, if

839
00:45:20,700 –> 00:45:23,500
they decide not to cover
something, it’s not going to be.

840
00:45:23,600 –> 00:45:27,700
Come big news like the the
McDonald’s me two strikes, the

841
00:45:27,700 –> 00:45:31,500
mick, two strikes, none of the
big Outlets covered that.

842
00:45:31,500 –> 00:45:35,100
So most people don’t know that
McDonald’s was the target of the

843
00:45:35,100 –> 00:45:39,700
first organized me to action
against a corporation in

844
00:45:39,700 –> 00:45:41,800
America.
No one covered it because

845
00:45:41,800 –> 00:45:44,900
McDonald’s spread so much
fucking ad money around who’s

846
00:45:44,900 –> 00:45:50,200
gonna spit in their face.
So like stuff, has to get up to

847
00:45:50,200 –> 00:45:52,000
the right channels before it
spreads around.

848
00:45:52,000 –> 00:45:54,900
And I imagine like, unless You
are watching news at the right

849
00:45:54,900 –> 00:45:56,800
time.
This probably just didn’t.

850
00:45:56,800 –> 00:45:59,700
I didn’t hear by was alive in
1985.

851
00:45:59,700 –> 00:46:03,000
I was nine.
I was four but I just feel like

852
00:46:03,000 –> 00:46:06,600
this dish have been like this.
We should have like a every

853
00:46:06,600 –> 00:46:08,600
year.
Remember this or something like

854
00:46:08,600 –> 00:46:10,600
that never happens again.
It’s not this.

855
00:46:10,800 –> 00:46:13,600
Yeah we should have been taught
this in school for sure.

856
00:46:13,700 –> 00:46:17,200
In our class about the
government overstepping their

857
00:46:17,200 –> 00:46:20,200
bounds.
It’s definitely what this is.

858
00:46:20,300 –> 00:46:23,500
So so this shootout ensues they
fire.

859
00:46:23,600 –> 00:46:26,700
Fire water Cannons.
Of course, none of this is

860
00:46:26,700 –> 00:46:29,600
working.
So this drags on until late in

861
00:46:29,600 –> 00:46:34,700
the afternoon and ironically
named mayor good at this point

862
00:46:34,800 –> 00:46:39,100
authorizes, the release of a
2-pound satchel bomb.

863
00:46:39,100 –> 00:46:43,200
Composed of tovex, and C-4
explosives, from a police

864
00:46:43,200 –> 00:46:47,400
helicopter, onto the Fortified
bunker on the roof, which we

865
00:46:47,400 –> 00:46:49,800
should point out, was made of
wood and we didn’t mention that.

866
00:46:49,800 –> 00:46:52,700
That’s another thing to make
the, the residents didn’t like

867
00:46:52,700 –> 00:46:57,600
move at one point.
Puts a bunker with gun turrets,

868
00:46:57,700 –> 00:47:01,400
in it up on the roof.
So not the Maglite is at all,

869
00:47:01,400 –> 00:47:04,400
but despite my only opportunity
for this, but later when Aaron

870
00:47:04,400 –> 00:47:08,700
Court and they have to, they
have a model of the building the

871
00:47:08,700 –> 00:47:09,700
compound.
Yeah.

872
00:47:09,800 –> 00:47:11,600
And they’re demonstrating the
court, how the cops and what

873
00:47:11,607 –> 00:47:15,600
they did, didn’t they compound?
My, like the dopest playset you

874
00:47:15,600 –> 00:47:19,100
ever seen, you look amazing even
that we can have that was like,

875
00:47:19,100 –> 00:47:22,100
I’d put that bunker on my roof.
Imagine if they had the speaker

876
00:47:22,100 –> 00:47:24,900
system, built-in microphone, The
truck through it to your other

877
00:47:24,900 –> 00:47:27,600
action figures.
Oh yeah, like Snake Mountain

878
00:47:27,800 –> 00:47:29,700
whatever.
So dope, I’d have Christmas

879
00:47:29,700 –> 00:47:34,800
lights in their stack.
It 1980s porn on paper live.

880
00:47:34,800 –> 00:47:37,600
It look like what?
If that’s just what it was like

881
00:47:37,600 –> 00:47:39,600
these holes.
It’s for weed smoke.

882
00:47:39,600 –> 00:47:43,000
Calm down that makes sense.
We’re not trying to HotBox are

883
00:47:43,000 –> 00:47:45,200
home.
Schooled children are not

884
00:47:45,200 –> 00:47:47,200
allowed.
We’d we are because we’re used

885
00:47:47,200 –> 00:47:49,500
to it, they’re not, yeah, a real
chicken.

886
00:47:50,000 –> 00:47:53,400
But yeah, they drop a bomb on
this huge wooden structure on.

887
00:47:53,600 –> 00:47:57,100
Topo caring on camera on.
Can’t like they’re proud of it,

888
00:47:57,100 –> 00:47:59,600
like, watch what we can do that.
That’s wow.

889
00:48:00,300 –> 00:48:05,300
And what’s really crazy is, when
this bomb goes off, heated metal

890
00:48:05,300 –> 00:48:09,900
fragments from that bomb,
penetrate a gas can on the roof

891
00:48:10,400 –> 00:48:14,800
and that ignites gasoline Vapors
and sets off a fire within

892
00:48:14,800 –> 00:48:17,300
seconds of that.
Bomb going off.

893
00:48:17,800 –> 00:48:21,300
But it gets worse instead of
fighting that fire, both the

894
00:48:21,300 –> 00:48:24,500
police and fire commissioner
decided and it would be better

895
00:48:24,500 –> 00:48:29,500
to let the fire burn as a
tactical weapon meant to get the

896
00:48:29,500 –> 00:48:32,200
residents to evacuate.
So that point they said they

897
00:48:32,200 –> 00:48:34,500
literally said a fuck them kids
that’s what he said.

898
00:48:34,500 –> 00:48:36,900
Yeah.
And it is again a lot of

899
00:48:36,900 –> 00:48:40,400
parallels to Waco except in the
case of Waco at least the

900
00:48:40,400 –> 00:48:43,300
government pretends they didn’t
set the fire like this was

901
00:48:43,300 –> 00:48:46,500
blatantly the government being
like, fuck it bomb.

902
00:48:46,900 –> 00:48:50,400
They want a credit for this one
and the thing is even though

903
00:48:50,400 –> 00:48:54,800
they say well, we let the fire
burn so People would evacuate.

904
00:48:54,800 –> 00:48:59,700
There are a lot of suggestions
that the police set the fire,

905
00:48:59,900 –> 00:49:03,800
let it burn, and then when the
move members tried to flee, they

906
00:49:03,800 –> 00:49:07,000
shot at them.
So they would go back inside.

907
00:49:07,000 –> 00:49:10,600
I’m convinced that happened for
what Birdie Africa, the

908
00:49:10,600 –> 00:49:12,700
thirteen-year-old kid, they
interview throughout this whole

909
00:49:12,700 –> 00:49:17,000
thing, they asked him like, they
don’t say where they shooting at

910
00:49:17,000 –> 00:49:20,500
you, when you ran out because he
mentions that they ran outside

911
00:49:20,500 –> 00:49:23,300
and then ran back in.
They just say, well, why did

912
00:49:23,300 –> 00:49:26,800
they Run back in and he goes
they were getting shot at that

913
00:49:26,800 –> 00:49:28,900
is some Insidious shit right
there.

914
00:49:29,000 –> 00:49:30,200
See.
This is the part, the part

915
00:49:30,200 –> 00:49:33,200
documentary of, if this was a
movie like based on this whole

916
00:49:33,200 –> 00:49:35,600
event and they added that part
about shooting them, that would

917
00:49:35,600 –> 00:49:37,900
be the part of the story that
Hollywood made up.

918
00:49:37,900 –> 00:49:41,000
Just to make it more fucked up.
They found us the truth, like

919
00:49:41,000 –> 00:49:42,600
people actually do think.
Yeah.

920
00:49:42,600 –> 00:49:44,300
That’s, that’s the monster shit
right there.

921
00:49:44,300 –> 00:49:47,300
Yeah, it’s it is your rival.
It’s the part where you’d be

922
00:49:47,300 –> 00:49:51,400
like, okay, yeah, that bad.
I mean, that wouldn’t that

923
00:49:51,400 –> 00:49:55,100
wouldn’t be my argument but a
lot of people Yeah, and yeah.

924
00:49:55,100 –> 00:49:58,500
What’s especially weird about it
is, despite all that footage we

925
00:49:58,500 –> 00:50:01,600
have of what happened in front
of the move house.

926
00:50:02,000 –> 00:50:07,000
They blocked access to reporters
and cameras in the alley behind

927
00:50:07,000 –> 00:50:09,200
the house.
And that’s where they were

928
00:50:09,200 –> 00:50:11,800
shooting at move members fleeing
the house.

929
00:50:11,800 –> 00:50:13,700
Exactly.
So then they could do it and be

930
00:50:13,700 –> 00:50:17,200
like, do you see us on camera
shooting at anyone?

931
00:50:17,300 –> 00:50:18,500
Of course we did.
Do that?

932
00:50:18,600 –> 00:50:20,100
That’s the one time.
They cared about the camera

933
00:50:20,100 –> 00:50:21,100
placement.
Yep.

934
00:50:21,100 –> 00:50:23,200
That’s the one time.
The one you see us.

935
00:50:23,500 –> 00:50:25,500
A bomb but yeah, she people
that’s too much.

936
00:50:25,600 –> 00:50:27,900
They’re like, come on.
There’s so much garbage back

937
00:50:27,900 –> 00:50:29,500
here.
Please let us clean up first.

938
00:50:29,500 –> 00:50:31,400
It’s we don’t care.
Were Co cameras.

939
00:50:31,500 –> 00:50:35,800
Yeah and yeah, there’s a really
great moment because they are

940
00:50:35,800 –> 00:50:39,600
cutting back and forth to this
inquiry panel that’s like

941
00:50:39,600 –> 00:50:41,700
looking into this and
interviewing the people that

942
00:50:41,700 –> 00:50:47,000
were involved and there’s this
black printer Minister,

943
00:50:47,000 –> 00:50:51,500
something like priests yeah.
And he’s talking to these cops

944
00:50:51,500 –> 00:50:53,400
who are accused of shooting at
people.

945
00:50:53,700 –> 00:50:58,100
And he’s like, I can’t fathom in
my mind.

946
00:50:58,100 –> 00:51:03,000
What would make people run back
into a burning house after

947
00:51:03,000 –> 00:51:05,400
getting out?
And one of these cops is like

948
00:51:05,600 –> 00:51:08,000
remove members, you’re never
going to understand, he’s like,

949
00:51:08,000 –> 00:51:12,500
whoa, no, they’re people.
I knew these people and they are

950
00:51:12,500 –> 00:51:17,100
not the kind of people who would
run back into a burning house.

951
00:51:17,100 –> 00:51:19,300
So the police were shooting at
these people when they were

952
00:51:19,300 –> 00:51:22,800
trying to flee the best part, I
like how he worded it, he said,

953
00:51:22,800 –> 00:51:24,700
it’s okay.
Lately without having to say it

954
00:51:24,700 –> 00:51:26,500
and their their response is said
everything.

955
00:51:26,500 –> 00:51:29,200
Like, you know, I got my answer.
Yeah, they made.

956
00:51:29,200 –> 00:51:31,800
It was so it was perfectly word
it and they fell right into the

957
00:51:31,808 –> 00:51:34,500
Trap.
Like, yeah, yeah, you guys.

958
00:51:35,100 –> 00:51:37,300
Yeah.
There’s also, I didn’t put it in

959
00:51:37,300 –> 00:51:39,100
the notes.
We talked about it, briefly

960
00:51:39,100 –> 00:51:43,400
before we started recording, but
there’s one cop in this whole

961
00:51:43,400 –> 00:51:45,700
thing.
Well, I mean, his partner seem

962
00:51:45,700 –> 00:51:48,800
cool, too.
But there’s this one cop who,

963
00:51:48,900 –> 00:51:54,400
when Birdie Africa escapes, when
birdie gets out, He falls off a

964
00:51:54,400 –> 00:51:58,900
ledge and his head.
Yeah, this cops partner is like,

965
00:51:58,900 –> 00:52:01,400
you know, that thing where
someone Falls so hard, you feel

966
00:52:01,400 –> 00:52:05,200
it and like he wasn’t joking.
He was like, I felt the thud in

967
00:52:05,200 –> 00:52:08,800
my chest and his partner is like
so yeah.

968
00:52:08,800 –> 00:52:12,000
Obviously I wanted to go get
this kid and get him out of

969
00:52:12,008 –> 00:52:15,200
Harm’s Way and some other cop
comes up and goes I think it’s a

970
00:52:15,200 –> 00:52:17,600
trick.
Look at how the woman fell and

971
00:52:17,600 –> 00:52:20,800
they asked him in this panel why
he said that and he was like

972
00:52:20,800 –> 00:52:26,300
just a hunch it’s like mother
how That’s that’s so fucked.

973
00:52:26,600 –> 00:52:30,400
So eventually this other cop
ignores him and just runs up and

974
00:52:30,400 –> 00:52:33,900
grabs the kid and gets him out
of Harm’s Way and they actually

975
00:52:33,900 –> 00:52:35,700
thanked him during this inquiry
panel.

976
00:52:35,700 –> 00:52:40,200
Like, they’re like, you are the
one cop that did your job

977
00:52:40,200 –> 00:52:43,100
according to how the job is
supposed to be done.

978
00:52:43,100 –> 00:52:46,200
Well, you’re talking to monsters
and there’s 11, there’s a lot of

979
00:52:46,200 –> 00:52:47,300
monster.
You got to let him know.

980
00:52:47,300 –> 00:52:49,800
Hey, thanks for not being a
monster with other monsters.

981
00:52:50,000 –> 00:52:54,100
Yeah, and it’s like, we know
that’s a thing like The thing, I

982
00:52:54,107 –> 00:52:57,500
think a lot of cops are very bad
but there are also plenty of

983
00:52:57,500 –> 00:53:02,100
stories of cops trying to turn
in fellow cops for being corrupt

984
00:53:02,300 –> 00:53:04,000
and they just get punished for
it.

985
00:53:04,000 –> 00:53:08,200
And this guy is no different.
After the panel thanked him very

986
00:53:08,200 –> 00:53:11,700
unfortunate, racial slurs
written on his locker at work

987
00:53:11,700 –> 00:53:14,800
and he eventually had to quit
the force because he had PTSD.

988
00:53:14,900 –> 00:53:19,700
So the one guy who did his job
is, also the one cop who came

989
00:53:19,700 –> 00:53:23,300
away from this with any sort of
repercussions are ramifications.

990
00:53:23,400 –> 00:53:25,800
Occations in his life because no
one gets arrested for any of

991
00:53:25,800 –> 00:53:29,700
this, no one’s ever charged.
They just bombed a fucking house

992
00:53:29,800 –> 00:53:32,400
that got one to help because
like, when he’s yeah, he worked

993
00:53:32,400 –> 00:53:34,400
with monsters, but it seemed
like that one point.

994
00:53:34,400 –> 00:53:36,600
He made a decision like I think
I want my soul.

995
00:53:36,800 –> 00:53:38,700
Yeah, she helped this kid.
Yeah.

996
00:53:38,700 –> 00:53:41,100
Like he might have even been a
racist fuck stick, but he’s

997
00:53:41,100 –> 00:53:44,200
like, I’m not that racist.
It’s a child.

998
00:53:44,300 –> 00:53:47,200
Yeah, enough’s enough.
He’s like I can’t he’s like

999
00:53:47,200 –> 00:53:49,900
we’ll meet again when he’s in
his 20s, I’ll beat him then.

1000
00:53:50,000 –> 00:53:53,300
Yeah, let him enjoy his youth.
Oh, this fucking story.

1001
00:53:53,500 –> 00:53:58,700
Yeah, it’s a lot and there’s one
more crazy detailed go because

1002
00:53:58,900 –> 00:54:02,500
the police and the fire
department decided to let this

1003
00:54:02,500 –> 00:54:06,300
fire burn as a tactical weapon
they were unable to control the

1004
00:54:06,300 –> 00:54:14,400
fire so 61 houses on that block
also burned down which is theirs

1005
00:54:14,600 –> 00:54:17,000
in the Let the Fire Burn
documentary.

1006
00:54:17,000 –> 00:54:20,100
There are interviews with people
on the street who are like my

1007
00:54:20,100 –> 00:54:22,800
fucking house is going to burn
down and Lisa say I could we

1008
00:54:22,800 –> 00:54:25,700
they show Add them to show this
isn’t before they left and they

1009
00:54:25,700 –> 00:54:28,300
showed it when they came back
after everything was ruined.

1010
00:54:28,600 –> 00:54:30,100
So they left and like I guess
they’ll get them out.

1011
00:54:30,100 –> 00:54:32,900
You come back like, oh, no, he
blew a little about that.

1012
00:54:33,100 –> 00:54:37,100
Yes, in that, that literally,
that’s they burned down the

1013
00:54:37,100 –> 00:54:41,500
entire block serving an arrest
warrant on for people.

1014
00:54:41,500 –> 00:54:46,600
That is this Bonkers.
It’s such a fucking dark moment

1015
00:54:46,700 –> 00:54:51,700
in history and it really is not
talked about much at all, like I

1016
00:54:51,700 –> 00:54:54,500
feel like once people start
throwing around, The word cult

1017
00:54:54,500 –> 00:54:58,000
people kind of care less because
they think they have in their

1018
00:54:58,000 –> 00:55:00,100
mind.
And I think there is a thing in

1019
00:55:00,100 –> 00:55:03,200
your mind that when you hear the
word cult, like you think of a

1020
00:55:03,200 –> 00:55:05,700
few specific very unsavory
things.

1021
00:55:05,800 –> 00:55:09,100
This group, just had some weird
beliefs, they weren’t using

1022
00:55:09,100 –> 00:55:14,600
their members and even if you
still don’t drop a bomb on them

1023
00:55:14,600 –> 00:55:19,500
and burned down 61 other homes
along with and just no regards

1024
00:55:19,500 –> 00:55:21,900
for children whatsoever.
Yeah.

1025
00:55:22,000 –> 00:55:23,600
Like there were so many kids in
There.

1026
00:55:23,900 –> 00:55:28,700
Yeah, and when it was all said
and done, six adults died.

1027
00:55:28,700 –> 00:55:32,500
Five children were killed.
That is a total of seven more

1028
00:55:32,500 –> 00:55:36,100
people than the police were
there to even arrest and the

1029
00:55:36,100 –> 00:55:39,900
aftermath also not great Ramona
Africa.

1030
00:55:39,900 –> 00:55:43,200
Who was the only adult Survivor
ends up getting convicted on

1031
00:55:43,200 –> 00:55:46,700
Riot charges and goes to prison
for seven years.

1032
00:55:46,700 –> 00:55:51,100
That’s bullshit.
But in 1996, she and relatives

1033
00:55:51,100 –> 00:55:53,200
of to move members who were
killed in the bombing.

1034
00:55:53,500 –> 00:55:58,000
The city and won a total of 1.5
million in a civil suit.

1035
00:55:58,000 –> 00:56:00,800
Judgment the surrounding
neighborhood though.

1036
00:56:01,000 –> 00:56:04,200
Never recovered the city did
rebuild the homes.

1037
00:56:04,200 –> 00:56:06,800
They destroyed.
But if you can believe it, they

1038
00:56:06,800 –> 00:56:10,400
did such a shitty job
rebuilding, these homes.

1039
00:56:10,700 –> 00:56:13,400
All of them were condemned in
2000.

1040
00:56:13,400 –> 00:56:15,400
They should lead built on
purpose, maybe or just

1041
00:56:15,400 –> 00:56:17,400
coincidence.
The people who built the homes

1042
00:56:17,400 –> 00:56:21,500
actually went to jail for how
they mishandled the funds to

1043
00:56:21,600 –> 00:56:25,400
build those homes.
And they can do that, right?

1044
00:56:25,600 –> 00:56:30,500
They did finally pay those
families 150,000 dollars each

1045
00:56:30,500 –> 00:56:33,800
for their home.
But again, it destroyed a

1046
00:56:33,800 –> 00:56:37,800
neighborhood of middle-class
black people homeowners in our

1047
00:56:37,800 –> 00:56:38,700
community.
Yeah.

1048
00:56:38,900 –> 00:56:41,900
Now that like the neighborhood
still exists but it obviously

1049
00:56:41,900 –> 00:56:44,400
led to a huge Exodus of people.
Yeah.

1050
00:56:44,700 –> 00:56:47,700
So that’s a bummer and over the
years, there have been a few

1051
00:56:47,700 –> 00:56:49,400
different panels that are all
like.

1052
00:56:49,400 –> 00:56:53,200
Yeah, the police were completely
wrong in their actions.

1053
00:56:53,400 –> 00:56:55,300
It’s like those cops are still
alive.

1054
00:56:55,500 –> 00:56:58,200
Like is there a statute of
limitations on murdering

1055
00:56:58,200 –> 00:57:00,700
children?
I don’t think there is it

1056
00:57:00,700 –> 00:57:03,100
shouldn’t.
Yeah, let’s go get those guys.

1057
00:57:03,300 –> 00:57:05,300
Yeah.
Like, I don’t think anyone would

1058
00:57:05,300 –> 00:57:10,200
be mad if 36 years later, we
were like yeah, they should be

1059
00:57:10,200 –> 00:57:12,900
in prison, huh?
Like that would be a positive

1060
00:57:12,900 –> 00:57:16,400
step for this country, but it
would it’s probably not going to

1061
00:57:16,400 –> 00:57:23,300
happen in November 20 28 full 35
years after the bombing the

1062
00:57:23,400 –> 00:57:25,600
Afiya city council formally
apologized.

1063
00:57:25,600 –> 00:57:28,300
No rush take your time, think
about it.

1064
00:57:28,300 –> 00:57:31,200
They didn’t even apologize in 96
when they gave him one point

1065
00:57:31,200 –> 00:57:33,300
five million dollars like just
right.

1066
00:57:33,300 –> 00:57:35,600
Sorry.
In the memo on the check at

1067
00:57:35,600 –> 00:57:36,300
least.
Yeah.

1068
00:57:36,300 –> 00:57:38,100
Right.
And if you both the houses they

1069
00:57:38,100 –> 00:57:39,600
didn’t say it then.
Yeah.

1070
00:57:39,700 –> 00:57:41,100
Hey sorry.
We burned your house to the

1071
00:57:41,100 –> 00:57:45,600
ground.
Here’s a shittier one crazy and

1072
00:57:46,200 –> 00:57:50,800
yeah they also in that formal
apology they call for an annual

1073
00:57:50,800 –> 00:57:55,400
day of remembrance on May 13th.
Hey, that’s today as we are

1074
00:57:55,400 –> 00:57:57,900
recording this.
But I kind of get the feeling

1075
00:57:57,900 –> 00:58:01,800
that apology was finally issued
because they knew they had

1076
00:58:01,800 –> 00:58:07,300
another Scandal coming down the
pike, and that is in April 20-21

1077
00:58:07,400 –> 00:58:10,900
officials at to ivy league,
universities acknowledged that

1078
00:58:10,900 –> 00:58:15,600
anthropologists had been passing
the bones of a young move

1079
00:58:15,600 –> 00:58:21,600
bombing victim between them.
For the last 36 years, the bones

1080
00:58:21,600 –> 00:58:25,100
were also featured in an online.
Line course, video called real

1081
00:58:25,100 –> 00:58:29,500
bones adventures and forensic
anthropology taught by a

1082
00:58:29,500 –> 00:58:32,600
University of Pennsylvania.
Professor, and offered by

1083
00:58:32,600 –> 00:58:35,500
Princeton goddamn.
This sounds like, this sounds

1084
00:58:35,500 –> 00:58:38,700
like the sequel to move, but not
even one extreme.

1085
00:58:39,100 –> 00:58:42,800
Yeah, this, this would be like
the third, like the part 3,

1086
00:58:42,800 –> 00:58:46,800
where you’re like, all right,
this is getting silly bones.

1087
00:58:46,800 –> 00:58:49,700
What are they opens at our move
members haunting this college?

1088
00:58:49,700 –> 00:58:52,000
And here’s the thing, I hope so,
right?

1089
00:58:52,100 –> 00:58:54,500
I hope that place is hot.
Fuck.

1090
00:58:54,700 –> 00:58:58,200
I hope the Ghost Adventures team
shows up to look into it because

1091
00:58:58,200 –> 00:59:00,000
that’s going to be annoying for
everybody.

1092
00:59:00,000 –> 00:59:01,900
It’s going to be, it’s going to
be the site of sales for the

1093
00:59:01,900 –> 00:59:05,700
hood for Tales from the three is
so good.

1094
00:59:07,400 –> 00:59:09,300
I feel like everyone I tell to
watch it.

1095
00:59:09,300 –> 00:59:12,200
They’re like, yeah, I will
fucking watch tales from the

1096
00:59:12,200 –> 00:59:14,300
three watch it.
People so good.

1097
00:59:14,300 –> 00:59:19,000
This is a quote from Mike Africa
Junior who was a six-year-old

1098
00:59:19,000 –> 00:59:21,300
move member at the time the
bombing happened.

1099
00:59:21,400 –> 00:59:25,200
And this quote is in Guards to
the news that came out about the

1100
00:59:25,200 –> 00:59:29,500
bones in April 20-21, it’s like
this never ends and no matter

1101
00:59:29,500 –> 00:59:32,800
how much time passes and you
hope that things can get to a

1102
00:59:32,808 –> 00:59:34,900
place where you can begin to
heal some.

1103
00:59:35,200 –> 00:59:38,600
It’s right back up in your face.
I haven’t cried this many

1104
00:59:38,600 –> 00:59:44,000
consecutive days since 1985 and
it sucks, we’re natural shitty.

1105
00:59:44,400 –> 00:59:47,200
We’re not done with the crazy
details of this bones thing

1106
00:59:47,700 –> 00:59:52,100
because it eventually came out
that workers at Penn Museum.

1107
00:59:52,100 –> 00:59:57,500
New four-year, That the bones of
move victims were there, but

1108
00:59:57,500 –> 00:59:59,800
Museum director.
Christopher Woods was only

1109
00:59:59,800 –> 01:00:03,100
notified about that because
there was another Scandal

1110
01:00:03,200 –> 01:00:06,300
involving bones.
And in that case, the University

1111
01:00:06,300 –> 01:00:10,200
of Pennsylvania for decades was
in possession of hundreds of

1112
01:00:10,200 –> 01:00:14,000
skulls, including those of
enslaved, people that had been

1113
01:00:14,000 –> 01:00:17,500
collected by a 19th century
physician whose research was

1114
01:00:17,500 –> 01:00:20,400
used to justify white
supremacist views.

1115
01:00:20,800 –> 01:00:24,300
So basically the director of
this Museum Comes to his staff

1116
01:00:24,300 –> 01:00:27,100
in his like, do we really have
these fucking skulls and they’re

1117
01:00:27,100 –> 01:00:29,800
like, wait, if you think those
bones are racist, let’s show you

1118
01:00:29,800 –> 01:00:32,400
what we got in the back room.
You ever hear the move bombing

1119
01:00:32,400 –> 01:00:34,100
and he’s like, no, I haven’t
what’s that?

1120
01:00:34,200 –> 01:00:36,900
It’s like the guy never the
crazy nasty guy from falling

1121
01:00:36,900 –> 01:00:38,500
down.
Yes.

1122
01:00:38,900 –> 01:00:43,200
It’s like like, it’s like an
underground slave bone.

1123
01:00:43,200 –> 01:00:46,100
Shaved like, what is this?
Yeah.

1124
01:00:46,100 –> 01:00:48,400
And I’m crazy shit.
Did you know there’s websites

1125
01:00:48,400 –> 01:00:50,000
where you can buy?
Human bones?

1126
01:00:50,100 –> 01:00:51,300
Is it India?
No.

1127
01:00:51,300 –> 01:00:56,900
Well, I this came up on Pretty
scary this week and because we

1128
01:00:56,900 –> 01:01:00,600
were wondering where someone got
a skull that they had and they

1129
01:01:00,600 –> 01:01:05,600
head, I just said that on
accident that they had enough.

1130
01:01:05,800 –> 01:01:11,800
Yeah, there is a website called
bone room.com and slice

1131
01:01:11,800 –> 01:01:13,200
birthday.
Sell human bones.

1132
01:01:13,300 –> 01:01:14,500
I’ll fix it.
Yes.

1133
01:01:14,600 –> 01:01:16,800
They like a certificate
certificate authenticity.

1134
01:01:16,800 –> 01:01:21,200
They they specialize in human
bones says there’s also one

1135
01:01:21,200 –> 01:01:25,500
called Skulls Unlimited Wait,
wait, I love this.

1136
01:01:25,600 –> 01:01:29,500
Do they organized by size?
And I guess the sex of the

1137
01:01:29,500 –> 01:01:32,100
person, the colors it is
organized, like that.

1138
01:01:32,600 –> 01:01:35,100
I will rise because it just
because who’s going to prove you

1139
01:01:35,100 –> 01:01:36,500
lied to him.
I’d be like this.

1140
01:01:36,500 –> 01:01:39,200
One’s an alien?
So human head shape anyways, a

1141
01:01:39,207 –> 01:01:39,800
good?
Yeah.

1142
01:01:42,800 –> 01:01:47,300
So the pain museum has promised
to return all of these bones to

1143
01:01:47,300 –> 01:01:50,100
their respective families if
possible.

1144
01:01:50,100 –> 01:01:53,000
So in some cases they can’t even
identify them.

1145
01:01:54,500 –> 01:01:59,500
That is the super sad ending to
a super-duper sad story.

1146
01:01:59,500 –> 01:02:01,600
The move bombing.
Watch both of those

1147
01:02:01,600 –> 01:02:04,300
documentaries.
If nothing else and find out

1148
01:02:04,300 –> 01:02:05,700
more about it.
It’s dark.

1149
01:02:05,700 –> 01:02:07,700
We have another question about
the bones thing.

1150
01:02:07,900 –> 01:02:09,200
He said, I send them to the
family.

1151
01:02:09,300 –> 01:02:11,900
Yeah, if possible.
So that means, if possible,

1152
01:02:11,900 –> 01:02:16,500
you’re going to send someone,
here’s your your cousin femur

1153
01:02:16,500 –> 01:02:19,300
and jaw bone.
Sorry, I thought we had, yeah.

1154
01:02:19,300 –> 01:02:23,000
I hope they at least fire office
text first and I’m like, I don’t

1155
01:02:23,000 –> 01:02:24,700
know.
Random balls or family you don’t

1156
01:02:24,700 –> 01:02:26,600
have the whole skeleton.
I’m good.

1157
01:02:26,600 –> 01:02:31,000
Yeah like I don’t know.
My my sister somehow managed to

1158
01:02:31,000 –> 01:02:32,600
lose.
My dad’s ashes.

1159
01:02:32,800 –> 01:02:36,000
At one point, she had them and
like moved out of an apartment

1160
01:02:36,000 –> 01:02:38,600
and didn’t take anything with
her including my dad, and a

1161
01:02:38,607 –> 01:02:42,900
woman tracked me down on
Facebook and was like, hey, I

1162
01:02:42,900 –> 01:02:45,200
got your dad or me to mail them
to you?

1163
01:02:45,500 –> 01:02:49,400
I was like, yes, thank you.
That’s why I hired very is

1164
01:02:49,400 –> 01:02:51,400
weird.
But good that good this.

1165
01:02:51,400 –> 01:02:56,700
Yeah, but Estimated man.
So yeah, well, one thing I

1166
01:02:56,700 –> 01:02:59,300
wasn’t got the hook, this
goddamn mayor.

1167
01:02:59,300 –> 01:03:01,100
Good.
Did you see his epilogue at the

1168
01:03:01,100 –> 01:03:03,300
end?
His fucking Reverend now or

1169
01:03:03,300 –> 01:03:04,800
something like that.
You know, what could he lost?

1170
01:03:04,800 –> 01:03:06,200
His soul, you’ll never get it
back.

1171
01:03:06,200 –> 01:03:09,200
You bastard, it’s over.
Yeah, you pulled a mace.

1172
01:03:09,500 –> 01:03:15,300
Yeah, he’s he’s a lot.
Like, I forget, the FBI dude’s

1173
01:03:15,300 –> 01:03:17,500
name, have you seen Judas in the
black Messiah?

1174
01:03:17,600 –> 01:03:20,200
Not yet, a great, it’s great,
it’s great.

1175
01:03:20,300 –> 01:03:26,000
And in real life, The guy that
set them up there was a this is

1176
01:03:26,000 –> 01:03:29,500
in the epilogue so I’m only
spoiling the epilogue for you,

1177
01:03:29,500 –> 01:03:33,400
but the real story about that
there was a documentary that

1178
01:03:33,400 –> 01:03:38,100
came out about it in like 1980
and the cop who set them up

1179
01:03:38,100 –> 01:03:41,200
killed himself the night that
documentary came out because he

1180
01:03:41,200 –> 01:03:45,600
basically like he was a black
dude and he said he sat up like

1181
01:03:45,900 –> 01:03:49,300
the Black Panthers and be he’d
kind of set up Fred Hampton to

1182
01:03:49,300 –> 01:03:51,600
be killed.
And so in that documentary came

1183
01:03:51,600 –> 01:03:54,100
out, he was like this isn’t a
Good luck.

1184
01:03:54,400 –> 01:03:56,400
Yeah, the wedding you’ll ever
have nowhere to go.

1185
01:03:56,600 –> 01:03:59,700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Except you can pull, like you

1186
01:03:59,700 –> 01:04:02,400
said, pull the mace route, get
religious, go find God.

1187
01:04:02,500 –> 01:04:05,300
Okay, let’s do it at the end,
like they go to the like really,

1188
01:04:05,300 –> 01:04:06,700
that’s what, that’s what he did.
Yeah.

1189
01:04:06,700 –> 01:04:09,800
I’m gonna fix anything.
Like, even though this, even

1190
01:04:09,800 –> 01:04:14,400
though mayor good fucking got
religious, no one has to like

1191
01:04:14,400 –> 01:04:16,100
him.
Like you can still hate this

1192
01:04:16,100 –> 01:04:18,300
guy.
Yeah, it was his decision.

1193
01:04:18,300 –> 01:04:21,800
After all to, or he authorized
dropping that bomb.

1194
01:04:22,100 –> 01:04:23,100
There’s no way he sleeps at
night.

1195
01:04:23,200 –> 01:04:25,100
Perfectly.
I’m okay no one is quite fucks

1196
01:04:25,100 –> 01:04:26,100
with him.
It’s fucked with him.

1197
01:04:26,100 –> 01:04:28,000
Okay, I’m a better dad.
Yeah.

1198
01:04:28,000 –> 01:04:31,200
He should have PTSD also
otherwise he’s a fucking

1199
01:04:31,200 –> 01:04:34,100
psychopath.
Yeah, because he killed a bunch

1200
01:04:34,100 –> 01:04:40,100
of kids, so that is our goddamn
depressing episode.

1201
01:04:41,400 –> 01:04:43,000
Slice Berg.
Do you have anything to plug

1202
01:04:43,000 –> 01:04:46,900
before we get out of here?
Um, actually, yeah, I I have

1203
01:04:47,100 –> 01:04:49,200
what I had one already, but I
have like two interviews with

1204
01:04:49,200 –> 01:04:52,500
this these pretty cool, smoke
CBD shops around here.

1205
01:04:52,600 –> 01:04:56,500
Some Get one of these as a
part-time job and add some fun

1206
01:04:56,500 –> 01:05:02,600
things to my smoking sessions,
very nice patreon.com slash on

1207
01:05:02,600 –> 01:05:05,000
pops, and I’m pops Network that
super cast at Tech.

1208
01:05:05,000 –> 01:05:08,400
We changed the the levels around
a little bit.

1209
01:05:08,400 –> 01:05:10,900
So go check them out.
See if there’s anything you

1210
01:05:10,900 –> 01:05:13,300
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You can also you get these

1211
01:05:13,300 –> 01:05:16,700
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1212
01:05:16,700 –> 01:05:19,300
Um, I think that’s it.
Let’s get the fuck out of here.

1213
01:05:19,300 –> 01:05:21,200
Slice Berg say goodbye.
Goodbye.

1214
01:05:21,200 –> 01:05:23,000
People goodbye everybody.
We love you.