Conspiracy! The Show The UK Spycop Scandal

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Which of the transparent.
You just woke up.

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Hey, everybody, Welcome to
conspiracy the show.

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I’m Adam Todd Brown.
Who are you?

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I’m Laura Crawford, we are your
fucking Host this week.

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Someone in the comments, said, I
say fucking too much, you’ve

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gone that you’ve gotten that
before?

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People have said it.
Yeah before.

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And the response is always fuck
you.

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You fucking fuck.
Yeah, fuck off, fuck face.

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I’m not, I’m not like we’re not
like that.

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Saying it Angry.
No, fuck these fuckers.

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You know, it’s my version of uh
even though I say uh a lot too

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and um and sometimes uh and um
comes out as fucking II feel.

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Like if anything, we’re just
kind of warning people because

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we’re probably going to use the
word, fuck a lot on this

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episode.
Hmm.

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Because we’re talking about cops
who like the fuck specifically

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cops in England, so not like
cops with guns.

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Yeah, bullshit England cops.
Yeah, they don’t need a penis

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metaphor.
They’re using their actual

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dicks.
They use their actual dick as a

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weapon, is there a full deck of
the weapon?

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Did not a dick met for.
That’s what’s very important

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here.
You know what I’m saying?

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We’re talking about the UK Spy
Cop Scandal which is a thing

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that has been in the news in
England.

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Like as far back as like 97 98.
Yeah, I can’t mom about this.

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Unused backups that song came up
with for it Spock.

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Haha.
Oops, that was pretty good.

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I saw you in your notes.
You said your the you titled

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your notes.
The second worst Spy Kids movie.

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You’re not implying Spy Kids as
a bad movie.

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Are you?
It’s like it’s the first one is

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not that bad.
I went to see not that bad.

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It’s not that bad.
It’s got a 93 percent on Rotten

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Tomatoes at movie fucking rules
that really wraps?

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I’m a big ride.
Yes.

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And I haven’t seen it.
They went to go see it in middle

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school so I’m biased, you know,
I’m a hater young a hater at

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heart but this one is good
hater, he’s polite steai, that’s

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really bad.
But I always knew that when we

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talked about this, I was like,
oh yeah, the UK, they love

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spying.
And why your tab?

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I’d heard some cases before that
above the police and wiretaps

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and the Daily Mail and it was
always like what Member of

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Parliament was head on camera
saying that he shagged his

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secretary, you know, whatever.
Oh, I knew that they had a Big

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issue is surveillance but I
don’t know this was going on.

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I know I do I think people
underestimate how similar the

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United States and England are
when it comes to shit like this,

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like everything we’re going to
talk about today.

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The United States did also at
the exact same time just in

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slightly different ways and we
don’t even know how different

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like I’m sure some of those
cointelpro dudes.

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Did some activists fucking in
their day.

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Like I don’t It.
Like, we think it was it was

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Fahrenheit, 9/11, Michael Moore
had a movie where he was talking

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about all of the post 9/11,
people who were infiltrating

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groups like paste group, so be
like Mom’s for against war and

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Iraq, and they would just make
like, you know, doves bit them,

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and it’d be like, and then this
FBI agent was in the group we

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found out later.
He wasn’t really Dave Sanders.

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So I remember him saying that.
Remember thinking that’s very

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bizarre that you would
infiltrate peace groups but I

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didn’t know that it was this
Global.

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Yeah, the thing about the United
States and England, they’re part

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of this group called the five
eyes and the five eyes is an

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alliance between Australia,
Canada, New Zealand, the United

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Kingdom, and the United States.
And there’s some blue eyes,

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right?
When supplies You know what I

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mean?
We’ll see.

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And here’s the thing that seems
like a joke, but when you find

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out what this particular group
is doing and compare it to what

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the United States was doing at
the time, I don’t think the fact

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that they’re all white Nations
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I think it’s very fucking
important.

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They’re also although the u.s.
didn’t have it as extreme there

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also like post Colonial Nations,
I guess you could say like their

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Nations that had a large post,
Colonial population.

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Ation growing within them by the
60s that they were like, it

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could be a problem, you know,
like with the UK, obviously,

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they had all their former
countries and Caribbean and

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Africa.
You know, that people were

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starting to go to the motherland
to reap the resources, you know,

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and that were denied them or
like in the US and Canada in the

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60s again.
Yeah, a lot more non-white

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immigrants coming in.
So I guess they were like, oh

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well, Jesus Christ is the
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Yeah, and they’re mine this
group that we’re talking about

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today, they targeted the same
people that the I targeted in

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the u.s. in the 60s and 70s,
which is activists like it’s the

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exact same thing and that’s what
the five eyes is.

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They share not only intelligence
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techniques.
So like if you see something

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happening in Australia and
you’re like, holy shit, they’re

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taking rights away from people.
In Australia, it’s coming here

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soon like they test this shit
out before it comes to the

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United States, but we do all of
the same shit and it’s Avant to

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2020 because we’re kind of
living in almost the exact same

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world we were in in 1968.
It’s just that instead of the

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protests being about the Vietnam
War there about police violence,

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that’s really the only
difference and acid is harder to

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find not for me.
Daddy, ha ha.

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Actually, I know, but it feels
acid on Instagram.

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Okay, we’ll talk about that
after the Pod but to say there

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are Market similarities and of
You know, like when you think

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about the UK and Canada and USA
in the 60s, they were still,

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there were all kind of
experiencing the same issues,

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which is they had a large
population of University

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students, who are very woke and
very, you know, turning into

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being out of control and not
really under the thumb of police

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and security the way they once
were and you know obviously

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Richard Nixon during a lot of
people off to the state and I

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think in present-day were seeing
the same thing.

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Work people hate president the
very much more socially turned

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on gen Z whatever new hippies.
But yeah so the issue is Then

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we’re not saying that since
1968, that people have been

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infiltrating groups, they used
to infiltrate groups but they

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infiltrated them with
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That’s the difference.
So like they would put in say

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what happened form and say what
have a man on the inside and

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they would pay him to get them
information.

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But starting around the late
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and Britain and Canada owns, you
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oh you know, I don’t know if
this is good enough to get these

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informants because we don’t even
know if it’s, you know, steady

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information, we want our own guy
on the inside, right?

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I stopped using.
I mean, I’m sure they still use

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informants but they did.
Yeah if you can infiltrate

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that’s way easier because the
information you’re going to get

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is going to be more accurate and
you can trust it because it’s a

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cop in there, doing cops yet and
coming back to the cops and

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being like we’re all of you
won’t fucking believe what this

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bird was up to these people.
They don’t worry animals.

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Can you believe it is the
fucking pigs?

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Oh my God, they don’t need my
saying that it’s fuck off.

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They never heard of a sausage
roll, but I mean the groups that

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they targeted, I think I have
this in my notes but so we

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don’t, we’ll never know exactly
how many groups were targeted.

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Right.
We’ll never know.

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But the estimate that they give
is that it was over a thousand

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different political groups.
Right.

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And guess how many they found?
Confirmed our right wing it.

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So it’s like, 43.
It’s Well, I feel like we’re

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getting a little ahead of things
that and just like so it’s up,

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you’re wondering.
Did they spy on right-wing

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groups?
They sure did three of them.

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Yeah.
It’s like I said, it’s very

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similar to what’s happening in
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The differences in 1968, the
protests were about the Vietnam

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War and in the UK, as these
protests were kicking off the

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home office and the Metropolitan
Police Service teamed up to

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figure out a way to cut these
protests off at the knees and

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what they came up with was,
well, we’ll just infiltrate

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them.
Will send cops in pretending to

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be them and caused all kinds of
chaos and we’ll see what happens

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and for our American listeners
who aren’t as cultured as Laura,

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and I, I will, I feel like we
should explain home office is

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like the Law and Order weighing
of the British government.

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They’re like our department of
Justice or Homeland Security,

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they deal with Law and Order
that deal with immigration shit

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like that.
Yeah, the Metropolitan Police

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Service.
Think of them as like London’s

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NYPD, if the NYPD had no
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because the Metropolitan Police
Service, they police, the 32

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boroughs of London, but there’s
one, they call it.

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The square mile of London, that
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They call it the city of London.
That is Police by the much

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smaller and appropriately, named
city of London Police.

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But everywhere else in London,
it’s the Metropolitan Police

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Service.
You’ve probably heard them

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referred to as the Met, which is
what we’re going to call them

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because it’s short and that’s
fucking awesome or Scotland

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Yard.
If you’ve ever heard Scotland

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Yard, that’s who it is.
They they’re referred to as

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Scotland Yard because that was
their original headquarters was

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called, Scotland Yard but it’s
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Metropolitan Police Service.
Yeah it sounds like From reading

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this, it just to me, Scotland
Yard always sounds like who you

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call if someone’s been kidnapped
cold, Scotland, Yard on the tub

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of get them out of here, you
know what I mean?

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It sounds like strictly to
respond in a hurry.

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Like what?
He’s got no to call them.

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See, I’ve always, I’ve always
pictured them as, like a bunch

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of Sherlock, Holmes
motherfuckers.

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Yes, but they have Bloodhounds,
I have pipes.

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Yeah, they’re like, oh,
Shirley’s should we found a body

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called Scotland Yard and I
shoved in a way.

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Is this body?
But you don’t think of them as

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being like the biggest problems
in Britain by the way, when it

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comes to like real problems,
teen stabbing stabbing through

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out of control.
Well, yeah, there’s guns aren’t

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as much of a problem in other
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Yeah.
They have like a lot of teen

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gangs and a teen boy gangs
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There’s a lot of stabbing.
So this is not we’re talking

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about, these are like the
regular po.

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These are the street, Guys,
these are the like you, you

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know, you New York City, Cop
you, and you beat cops, your

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Jeffries.
You John’s you, Jose you out

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there, you know, being the age
of You staying out of trouble?

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Whatever.
Mrs. Gillespie House that need.

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These are supposed to be.
These guys are supposed to be

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nice.
Guys, we’re out patrolling the

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streets, whatever keeping him
safe, but there it’s a little

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more, it’s a little more to it.
It’s not just that like the NYPD

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isn’t just beat cops.
They have detectives and like,

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yeah, really high level units
that do really intense,

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intelligence service type shit.
And sometimes, those police

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departments collaborate with the
fucking government.

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I think the lapd’s a great
example.

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Apple.
The NYPD for sure.

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Like, when you have a police
department that big as a

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government, why wouldn’t you
fucking collaborate with them?

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Because all, like, especially if
you’re talking protests, those

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are going to be the biggest in
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So of course, you want the
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So in 1968, the Metropolitan
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up with the home office and they
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Special Operations Squadron.
God, which later became the

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special demonstration Squad
which sounds way more British.

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It does the Special Operations
called.

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So I’m on the sauce bro is
that’s what I think or the SDS

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but it was a very Stasi like
group if you understand like you

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know the comparison East
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So this is like imagine imagine
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it’s like the London cops are
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we’re talking like that.
LAPD like the scary police, the

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kill everybody and like the
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like more.
This account office.

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That makes sense.
Yeah, yeah.

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So we’re going to talk about a
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We could talk about and peas
whenever.

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So they had to work on.
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about protests and Justice move.
So Justice is like really broad,

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we’ll talk about that.
It’s going to be like animal

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rights, socialism environmental
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have been victims of Violence by
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have been thoroughly
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because of internal corruption
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So, it’s a huge swath of issues
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they did this for like, nearly
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So, you got to imagine how much,
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calculate how much money they
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The yearly budget must have been
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several Ma, I would then be on
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budget, I bet it’s up there with
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we’ve done.
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operated for nearly 50 years and
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That’s what I think is a good
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did was any group that was
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environmental groups animal
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they would Target those people,
anyone who might have caused any

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change to the status quo is who
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is another good reason to bring
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very very white Nations that all
work together and collaborate on

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shit like this.
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of cases what they collaborate
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oppressed.
It’s like, these are like, the

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white supremacy police
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targeting small protest groups.
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Greenpeace or I am.
Most people have like, at least

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a passing familiarity with what
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They able traded Greenpeace in
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So they’re Lee International
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infiltrated and these are
activities that could be as

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benign as you are protesting
fracking near your house.

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If you Now, I don’t really like
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I don’t want them to Frack.
Have a fracking project near my

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house, which I’m sure anyone can
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investigated.
So it’s a huge range of

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activities.
Anything that’s basically not

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explicitly pro-government, or
pro-business makes you a

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suspect.
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It’s anything that balance that
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power in the world.
That’s who this group

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investigated and we’ll talk
about this more in detail but we

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only know about this because of
a whistleblower that’s like had

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Add one dude, not come out and
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We would have no idea that this
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So who’s going to be that
whistleblower who comes out and

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tells us about this happening in
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That’s what I want to know.
I hope it happens at some point

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but their misdeeds are so
extensive that we can’t get into

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all of them.
I’ll link to a bunch of Articles

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as a lot of information out
there about this, and this is

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all confirmed like it’s on
conspiracy to show because this

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Was a conspiracy.
Yeah the police and the

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government conspired to do this
but it’s not a theory.

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It’s not like we know it
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We know it happened because
there’s so much to cover.

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We’re going to focus on.
I have in the notes to, but

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actually three of their biggest
crimes basically or abuse is of

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power, the crimes against
humanity, entering into sexual

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sometimes.
Is childbearing relationships

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with activists, they were spying
on to spying on and attempting

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to discredit families of victims
of police or racial violence,

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and three stealing the
identities of dead children,

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which they did so much.
If I can, add just a little

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fourth one, which is covering up
information that could have led

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to people being freed or not
prosecuted for crimes because

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would have revealed their
position as spies Right, they

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would even sometimes go to court
in there undercover cop personas

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like they would go to court, not
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They be like, hey, I’m just a
regular Joe Fish and Chips here.

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And I’m here to testify and they
would send innocent people to

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prison.
I also think they encouraged

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people to far more radical
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which causes a lot of people to
get into more trouble than they

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would have probably before, but
that’s like more speculative.

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Well, it’s speculative.
But it’s a thing that That from

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history, we know happens like
that, the FBI does that in the

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United States?
There were all those cases,

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where they would infiltrate a
group and be like, what a build

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a bomb.
And then they would bring all

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this bomb making equipment and
they would help these people

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assemble a bomb and then they’d
go.

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All right, you’re under arrest
for building that bomb.

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And it’s like, thanks for
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That was really a good
expenditure of federal tax

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dollars.
Yeah, this is the worst episode

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of mr.
Wizard ever.

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You want to build a bomb kids.
You’re under arrest New York at

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least once I think in Buffalo.
So excessive radicalization.

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Yeah.
So, let’s talk about Stephen

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Lawrence.
Stephen Lawrence was a black

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teen who was very brutally, and
publicly murdered by a group of

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white teens.
I believe in 1993 and the

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murder, and the subsequent
investigation into that murder

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revealed.
You might want to sit down for

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this.
Systemic racism, within the

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Metropolitan Police Service and
just kind of in the UK in

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general.
There were five teens who are

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tried and acquitted.
Despite a friend of Lawrence who

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was there when the murder
happened, Dwayne Brooks, he

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identified all five of them in
court, and all five of these

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kids still were acquitted.
And there were all these

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allegations that the Met helped,
not only kind of derail the Ian,

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because they barely investigated
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And so people were like, hey,
are you going to fucking look

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into that kid, who got stabbed
at a bus, stop?

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And then when they did look into
it, it seemed like they were

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kind of shielding the teens who
did it from being prosecuted,

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like they just tried to sort of
hide at all and it culminates in

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these five, teens getting
acquitted and people were so

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outraged.
The Daily Mail in 1997 published

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photos of all five of these
kids.

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Under a headline that just said,
murderers.

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The male, accuses, these men of
killing if we are wrong, let

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them sue us.
None of them ever sued, which I

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feel like is always like, we
don’t take that into account

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enough in the United States but
like why hasn’t Courtney Love

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sued Tom.
Grant the private investigator

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who’s been saying for like 20
years now that she was involved

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in the murder of Kurt Cobain
like you would think Think you’d

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not want someone out there,
spreading that kind of

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information.
I think she did try to press

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legal action in the case, the
film Kurt and Courtney.

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I’m not wrong that.
I don’t know that definitively.

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But no, she’s not pursued every
form of action because if she

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did that, I would imagine she
would have to prove that she

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didn’t in some form of another,
you know what I mean?

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Right.
Yeah, I don’t know if she can

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legally definitively prove that
but yeah like yeah it just

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stands to reason it’s like,
well, why don’t you come out?

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No.
I mean I’m sure she’s done

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something or she might have even
offered him like a private

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settlement.
I don’t know.

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Nothing would surprise me.
She’s a very violent Buddhist.

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Yeah.
Or there’s a comedian right now.

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Who constantly, he used to work
with Donald Trump on the Miss

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Teen USA.
Pageant and I think The

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Apprentice also, he’s also a
comedian and he’s got like a

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five-minute very detailed bit
about how Donald Trump crushed.

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She’s up and snorts Adderall.
Whoo.

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And he’s like if I’m lying sue
me.

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Mmm Chomps.
Never sued him.

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And Trump does seem like he,
maybe, snorts, Adderall.

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Oh, of course.
Yeah, he definitely does.

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Oh, yeah.
For real, I that’s always what I

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think we lost them.
Oh, you were a crack.

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So in the year that Stephen
Lawrence is killed in the race,

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Stuckey was 1993 just looked it
up.

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Yeah it was it was 93 and then
this acquittal happens in 1997

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and after that acquittal they
open An inquiry into this

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investigation.
Yeah.

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And that’s kind of what kicks
off the Spy Cop Scandal.

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The judge concluded that.
I just love this description

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that the investigation and
marred by a combination of

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professional incompetence,
institutional racism and a

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failure of leadership.
That’s like a judge who works

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for the system.
When I look at this case.

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Looks like you guys got a smudge
of institutional racism on here

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and a lot of what Well, okay
then description.

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What I like is how England
managed to take this inquiry

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into a heinous racial crime and
still find a way to use it, to

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strip, the people of England of
a little bit more of their

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rights.
But in a way that the people of

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England were like, yeah, fucking
do it, please.

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Because what happens as a result
of this inquiry is they changed

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the law to wear if you’ve been
tried for murder and acquitted.

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Can we try it again?
Which that’s a huge, huge deal,

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they eliminated Double Jeopardy.
Holy crap.

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UK over this case and two of the
people who attacked Stephen

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Lawrence, David Norris and neela
Court, they were tried again and

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charged and convicted.
Wow.

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So on the one hand, it’s like
cool, are you going to put

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double jeopardy back in place or
is that just gone forever?

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This was it, this is an
extraordinary case.

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Extraordinary.
Legal.

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Change.
One of the things that comes out

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of this inquiry is not only did
the police bungle this

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investigation horribly, but
after Stephen Lawrence was

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killed, they sent a Metropolitan
Police Service Officer from this

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SDS unit, the special
demonstration unit to infiltrate

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not only groups that were
fighting for justice for Stephen

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Lawrence, but also his fucking
family.

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They spied on.
His family with the intent of

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digging up dirt that they could
use to smear them and discredit

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them.
And this is a like this isn’t

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even a case of the police
killing a black person.

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This was just a bunch of fucking
racists that killed a kid at a

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bus.
Stop in the police are like, why

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is that family?
Bitching?

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Go find out everything you can
about them so we can discredit

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them in public.
It’s nuts.

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So his parents are a Doreen and
Neville.

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Lawrence and they were just
regular not very political

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people.
And they well, it’s like, in

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terms of what info like they’re
like, well, you know, the

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relationships falling apart.
They’re just keeping it together

436
00:24:36,100 –> 00:24:39,100
for the cameras, while they
investigate their son’s murder.

437
00:24:39,100 –> 00:24:41,700
And it’s like, why the fuck does
the government need to know

438
00:24:41,700 –> 00:24:44,000
that?
Yeah, well, they also spied on

439
00:24:44,000 –> 00:24:48,600
Dwayne Brooks the other teen who
was there, when Stephen Lawrence

440
00:24:48,600 –> 00:24:52,900
was murdered, and who witnessed
it, and who testified to the

441
00:24:52,900 –> 00:24:55,900
identities of these Five
attackers in court.

442
00:24:56,100 –> 00:25:00,100
They fucking spied on him too.
There was a cop named David

443
00:25:00,100 –> 00:25:04,500
Hagan, who was responsible for
spying on him, Anthony Lewis.

444
00:25:04,500 –> 00:25:08,800
He spied on the parents and the
family and the only reason we

445
00:25:08,800 –> 00:25:11,900
know about this is because the
third cop, a guy named, Peter

446
00:25:11,900 –> 00:25:14,900
Francis eventually came forward
as a whistleblower.

447
00:25:15,100 –> 00:25:18,700
And he admitted that all three
of them were tasked with

448
00:25:18,700 –> 00:25:22,900
collecting any and all dirt.
They could on the family on

449
00:25:22,900 –> 00:25:25,800
Dwayne Brooks.
And any groups that supported

450
00:25:25,800 –> 00:25:28,500
them and then they pass that
information on to their

451
00:25:28,500 –> 00:25:32,700
superiors, even Peter Francis
was like, I don’t know what they

452
00:25:32,700 –> 00:25:34,700
did with that intelligence, who
knows?

453
00:25:35,000 –> 00:25:37,500
Like we just collected it and
gave it to them.

454
00:25:37,700 –> 00:25:42,300
And I don’t think he was saying
that in a, I’m just doing my job

455
00:25:42,300 –> 00:25:44,700
kind of way.
I think he was saying it in a

456
00:25:44,700 –> 00:25:46,300
holy shit.
I wonder what they did with

457
00:25:46,300 –> 00:25:49,400
that.
And the SDS also carried out

458
00:25:49,400 –> 00:25:53,100
similar investigations into the
families and Associates of Ricky

459
00:25:53,100 –> 00:25:55,700
real.
Another victim of racist

460
00:25:55,700 –> 00:25:59,600
violence in London and
jean-charles, jean-charles de

461
00:25:59,600 –> 00:26:04,700
Meneses a Brazilian man who was
killed by metropolitan police

462
00:26:05,100 –> 00:26:07,500
after.
They mistook him for a suspect

463
00:26:07,500 –> 00:26:10,100
in a crime, he had nothing to do
with.

464
00:26:10,200 –> 00:26:13,400
So that is an obvious abuse of
power.

465
00:26:13,400 –> 00:26:17,900
Like, that is not what you
expect from the government and

466
00:26:17,900 –> 00:26:21,500
police force, that is ostensibly
supposed to be protecting you.

467
00:26:22,000 –> 00:26:23,800
It’s horrified and the fact is
all day.

468
00:26:24,000 –> 00:26:27,400
These Revelations this case came
out and like 2014.

469
00:26:27,500 –> 00:26:30,900
So this murder happened. 1993
and his parents have had to live

470
00:26:30,900 –> 00:26:33,600
with this, you know, obviously
they stood with it.

471
00:26:33,700 –> 00:26:37,300
It they’re not very old, they’re
not like old people and they

472
00:26:37,300 –> 00:26:40,100
didn’t get any sort of Justice,
not really?

473
00:26:40,100 –> 00:26:43,800
I mean total completion about
what’s going on until 2014.

474
00:26:44,100 –> 00:26:47,400
And so that’s, I don’t know,
it’s just mind-boggling that

475
00:26:47,400 –> 00:26:49,500
they had to go through this and
find this out later, they have

476
00:26:49,508 –> 00:26:51,800
to, then, in their minds, go
over everyone.

477
00:26:51,800 –> 00:26:54,800
They met around the time that
they were Try to get Justice for

478
00:26:54,800 –> 00:26:56,600
their son and think.
Wow, I wonder who’s that guy

479
00:26:56,600 –> 00:26:59,400
wonderful Sakai Werner if this
friend talked to him, so it

480
00:26:59,400 –> 00:27:02,300
creates a sense of paranoia that
you’re never done with

481
00:27:02,400 –> 00:27:03,900
psychological.
Trauma.

482
00:27:04,100 –> 00:27:05,600
Finding that out.
It’s something you can never

483
00:27:05,600 –> 00:27:09,900
really compensate someone for.
And what bothers me is the

484
00:27:09,900 –> 00:27:14,300
government’s investigation of it
in 2014, the Theresa May ordered

485
00:27:14,300 –> 00:27:18,000
still concludes like, oh, he was
the best being the campaign,

486
00:27:18,000 –> 00:27:20,900
their campaign, and it’s like,
it’s the family.

487
00:27:21,200 –> 00:27:23,800
They keep acting like.
They it’s like, it’s not like a

488
00:27:23,900 –> 00:27:26,000
Chain two runs one fucking
office.

489
00:27:26,000 –> 00:27:28,900
These are these people.
It’s just, it’s so they’re so

490
00:27:28,900 –> 00:27:31,300
detached.
They still refuse to fully

491
00:27:31,300 –> 00:27:34,100
engage in the issue, you know?
I mean, they’re still distancing

492
00:27:34,100 –> 00:27:36,500
itself.
Oh, you guys seen campaign know

493
00:27:36,500 –> 00:27:40,400
you’re risking individuals, so
they still have not really come

494
00:27:40,400 –> 00:27:43,700
around to, you know, accepting
their role in this or the damage

495
00:27:43,700 –> 00:27:45,700
that it’s done or how
inappropriate it is.

496
00:27:46,300 –> 00:27:48,400
They’re like, no, they were just
looking at the organization,

497
00:27:48,400 –> 00:27:50,100
they don’t use to me.
Like, it’s part of a

498
00:27:50,100 –> 00:27:51,900
psychological experiment in a
sense.

499
00:27:51,900 –> 00:27:53,100
Because think about it like
this.

500
00:27:53,200 –> 00:27:56,200
It’s like it’s like, The police
are sort of saying, well, when a

501
00:27:56,208 –> 00:28:00,200
racial murder happens are there
patterns that we can predict

502
00:28:00,200 –> 00:28:03,300
that a family will go through
and can we take certain actions

503
00:28:03,300 –> 00:28:06,700
that will keep them from
campaigning at a certain point

504
00:28:06,700 –> 00:28:08,900
or what can we do?
Police wise to get them to

505
00:28:08,900 –> 00:28:11,300
abandon campaigns once they get
started?

506
00:28:11,300 –> 00:28:12,600
You know what I mean?
Because it seems like there’s

507
00:28:12,600 –> 00:28:14,700
just like running experiments
with these families because they

508
00:28:14,700 –> 00:28:15,800
know it’s going to keep
happening.

509
00:28:15,800 –> 00:28:17,500
So they’re trying to think how
to best Silas.

510
00:28:17,600 –> 00:28:20,000
Yeah.
What you mentioned about them

511
00:28:20,000 –> 00:28:22,900
having to play back?
All the people they met during

512
00:28:22,900 –> 00:28:26,300
this time.
I think that, like, if you are a

513
00:28:26,300 –> 00:28:33,200
person doing anything even sort
of radical or Progressive, don’t

514
00:28:33,200 –> 00:28:36,500
underestimate the fact that you
should be very suspicious when

515
00:28:36,500 –> 00:28:41,100
new people show up in your life.
Like if someone just shows up

516
00:28:41,200 –> 00:28:45,600
out of the blue really
enthusiastically wanting to help

517
00:28:45,700 –> 00:28:48,400
and you’re like who, where,
where did you come from?

518
00:28:48,500 –> 00:28:51,900
You have every reason to be
suspicious because that is what

519
00:28:51,900 –> 00:28:56,500
the fucking government.
Law enforcement, does they send

520
00:28:56,500 –> 00:29:00,600
spies to infiltrate shit?
And I don’t think that there’s

521
00:29:00,600 –> 00:29:04,400
any like what this is also a
good example of is there’s no

522
00:29:04,400 –> 00:29:08,200
group small enough that they
won’t show up and see what

523
00:29:08,200 –> 00:29:09,300
you’re up to.
It’s true.

524
00:29:09,500 –> 00:29:12,800
It’s just life advice.
I would say if, especially, if

525
00:29:12,800 –> 00:29:15,200
you’re a young person and
something like this happens,

526
00:29:15,200 –> 00:29:18,000
when you’re in a group, be very
wary, but also, what do you go

527
00:29:18,000 –> 00:29:20,800
to college or whatever?
If you meet people who are like,

528
00:29:20,900 –> 00:29:23,200
oh my God, come to this group.
It’s so amazing.

529
00:29:23,200 –> 00:29:25,600
And their way.
To enthusiastically like you way

530
00:29:25,600 –> 00:29:27,500
too much.
You might be in a fucking cult

531
00:29:27,500 –> 00:29:29,800
because I knew people we went to
college with wound up in yoga

532
00:29:29,800 –> 00:29:32,000
Cults and stuff like that or
just watching something about

533
00:29:32,000 –> 00:29:34,700
Axiom today.
If someone is way too kind to

534
00:29:34,700 –> 00:29:37,000
you too fast beginning you in
the group, there’s nothing good.

535
00:29:37,000 –> 00:29:39,100
That’s going to come from it to
you pretty much.

536
00:29:39,200 –> 00:29:40,800
It’s a scam.
You’re being scammed.

537
00:29:40,800 –> 00:29:42,900
People are out to scam.
You you’re not paranoid.

538
00:29:44,300 –> 00:29:48,400
One of the side effects of that
eventual inquiry into the

539
00:29:48,400 –> 00:29:52,400
handling of the Stephen Lawrence
case, was that some of the

540
00:29:52,400 –> 00:29:56,700
undercover aliases of these cops
started coming out and as they

541
00:29:56,700 –> 00:30:00,800
did, there were women who are
like, wait, I dated that guy.

542
00:30:01,000 –> 00:30:04,500
Some of them were like, I dated,
that guy for years and some of

543
00:30:04,500 –> 00:30:07,900
them were like, that’s the
father of my children and what

544
00:30:07,900 –> 00:30:11,800
ends up happening is all these
women in the UK find out, they

545
00:30:11,800 –> 00:30:17,000
had been in long-term Committed
relationships with what turned

546
00:30:17,000 –> 00:30:20,200
out to be undercover cops
pretending to be someone else.

547
00:30:20,600 –> 00:30:24,200
It’s the kind of shit you see,
on the television show, The

548
00:30:24,200 –> 00:30:29,000
Americans all the time, but
those are spies like it’s one

549
00:30:29,000 –> 00:30:33,000
thing if a government is doing
that to another government.

550
00:30:33,000 –> 00:30:36,500
Like that’s just that’s just
World Espionage baby.

551
00:30:36,700 –> 00:30:39,800
Like if you’re in Russia and
hooking up with a random woman

552
00:30:39,800 –> 00:30:43,700
at the bar and you work for a
big Tech firm, you’re an idiot.

553
00:30:43,900 –> 00:30:45,900
Eight, great.
You are a fucking idiot and

554
00:30:45,900 –> 00:30:49,100
you’re about to at best, get
your intellectual property

555
00:30:49,100 –> 00:30:53,300
stolen, but you don’t do it to
your own citizens.

556
00:30:53,500 –> 00:30:58,100
Like that is such a line to
cross, and that’s what they did

557
00:30:58,200 –> 00:31:00,400
in England.
Like they would not only

558
00:31:00,400 –> 00:31:04,500
infiltrate these groups, but
they would form actual sexual

559
00:31:04,500 –> 00:31:07,600
romantic relationships.
Sometimes have kids with women

560
00:31:07,600 –> 00:31:10,700
and then just fucking disappear.
You notice it’s never die.

561
00:31:10,700 –> 00:31:13,000
It’s never, they never like
bulb.

562
00:31:13,000 –> 00:31:16,300
You go big guy.
State for Australian.

563
00:31:16,300 –> 00:31:19,200
Sorry, they never like Mall you
got us by our God.

564
00:31:19,200 –> 00:31:20,900
He’s bigger than my Liberation
from the office.

565
00:31:20,900 –> 00:31:24,800
They never make anyone be gay.
That I know of, I do love that.

566
00:31:24,800 –> 00:31:27,800
There’s always like, oh no, I
had a thing in 22 year old

567
00:31:27,800 –> 00:31:29,300
woman.
Oh no.

568
00:31:29,500 –> 00:31:32,600
Well here’s the thing.
Eventually every law enforcement

569
00:31:32,600 –> 00:31:36,300
agency in the world came around
to the fact that oh we should

570
00:31:36,300 –> 00:31:39,000
hire everyone.
Like we shouldn’t, just like at

571
00:31:39,000 –> 00:31:42,500
one point, the FBI only hired
white people and like, good luck

572
00:31:42,500 –> 00:31:45,700
fucking infiltrating.
The Black panthers, if you only

573
00:31:45,700 –> 00:31:48,700
have white agents, that’s why
they had to use informants.

574
00:31:49,100 –> 00:31:52,200
But eventually they were like,
oh, we can hire black people,

575
00:31:52,200 –> 00:31:55,400
too, and then they can go do
some infiltrating.

576
00:31:55,400 –> 00:31:58,400
Yeah.
And there is absolutely no way.

577
00:31:58,400 –> 00:32:01,400
Women didn’t enter into that
equation at some point.

578
00:32:01,500 –> 00:32:05,100
Yeah, I guarantee you there are
women in women, cops.

579
00:32:05,200 –> 00:32:09,200
Infiltrating Progressive groups
all the time and been exposed.

580
00:32:09,200 –> 00:32:12,600
Yet in this case, it seems like
it’s bunch of sketchy dudes

581
00:32:12,800 –> 00:32:15,000
butt.
Yeah, they did do it.

582
00:32:15,000 –> 00:32:17,900
And I would like to say to you
about the people who they

583
00:32:17,900 –> 00:32:20,900
targeted, or who were being
investigated.

584
00:32:21,000 –> 00:32:23,600
These were not people who this
was their only thing.

585
00:32:23,600 –> 00:32:25,600
They did.
Usually these people were

586
00:32:25,700 –> 00:32:29,900
volunteers, part-time volunteers
at some of these groups they had

587
00:32:29,900 –> 00:32:33,000
regular jobs.
They weren’t living and

588
00:32:33,000 –> 00:32:35,400
underground bunker was Weather
Underground.

589
00:32:35,400 –> 00:32:37,700
They weren’t in Isis, they
didn’t like I’ll shave their

590
00:32:37,700 –> 00:32:40,800
heads or whatever.
I mean, they were pretty normal

591
00:32:40,800 –> 00:32:43,200
people.
There’s one instance where a

592
00:32:43,200 –> 00:32:46,100
guy?
Guy takes a girlfriend and then

593
00:32:46,200 –> 00:32:50,000
has the police raid her house
just because he knew it would

594
00:32:50,000 –> 00:32:51,900
make him look more important to
the people.

595
00:32:51,900 –> 00:32:54,200
He was trying to infiltrate
right?

596
00:32:54,200 –> 00:32:58,100
Like imagine being that woman in
finding that out and it’s like I

597
00:32:58,100 –> 00:33:00,900
loved this dude.
It’s like the dentist.

598
00:33:01,200 –> 00:33:05,900
Yeah he had the fucking police
raid my house just so he like

599
00:33:05,900 –> 00:33:09,300
it’s fucking sociopathic is what
it is.

600
00:33:09,500 –> 00:33:13,000
Like I get that all of these
dudes are like oh I was just

601
00:33:13,000 –> 00:33:15,600
doing my job.
Like motherfucker, the Nazis

602
00:33:15,600 –> 00:33:19,200
were just doing their job.
That doesn’t mean they are not

603
00:33:19,200 –> 00:33:22,300
complicit in what happened and
it doesn’t mean they’re off the

604
00:33:22,300 –> 00:33:24,800
hook morally.
Well, so you applied for that

605
00:33:24,800 –> 00:33:25,900
job.
It wasn’t bore.

606
00:33:25,900 –> 00:33:29,100
You weren’t drafted into the
police service, right?

607
00:33:29,100 –> 00:33:31,900
They you chose to become a cop
and you chose to become an

608
00:33:31,900 –> 00:33:35,200
undercover cop and he chose to
take that assignment and I don’t

609
00:33:35,200 –> 00:33:37,400
think they told you.
You have to fuck Brandi.

610
00:33:37,400 –> 00:33:39,700
I think I kind of chose who they
wanted right.

611
00:33:39,800 –> 00:33:41,700
For the most part.
I think it was just kind of like

612
00:33:41,800 –> 00:33:44,100
everyone’s Open Season and they
could have just Just been

613
00:33:44,100 –> 00:33:45,700
friends with people and found
out the same.

614
00:33:45,700 –> 00:33:47,400
I don’t know.
What information can you get

615
00:33:47,400 –> 00:33:50,400
inside a woman’s vagina, what?
State secrets are hidden up and

616
00:33:50,400 –> 00:33:53,900
so on cervix, you tell me, I
mean, there might be some up

617
00:33:53,900 –> 00:33:54,600
there.
I don’t know.

618
00:33:55,100 –> 00:33:58,700
I’m not a doctor, these people,
these women usually who were

619
00:33:58,900 –> 00:34:01,700
targeted in these groups.
It starts in the late 60s.

620
00:34:01,700 –> 00:34:03,800
A lot of these relationships
that we’re going to talk about

621
00:34:03,800 –> 00:34:06,700
that.
We’re field are in the 80s and

622
00:34:06,700 –> 00:34:10,300
it’s when it was mostly, I think
focusing on environmental groups

623
00:34:10,300 –> 00:34:13,600
and animal rights activist, you
know, the big scary’s.

624
00:34:14,699 –> 00:34:17,199
The the people that are really a
threat to society.

625
00:34:17,199 –> 00:34:21,300
Yeah, one example is guy named
Mark Bob Robinson, which right

626
00:34:21,300 –> 00:34:23,500
off the bat, what kind of
nickname is Bob?

627
00:34:23,600 –> 00:34:28,699
That’s fucking stupid.
He was in SDS agent who in 1983

628
00:34:28,699 –> 00:34:31,300
befriended a woman named
Charlotte and shortly

629
00:34:31,300 –> 00:34:32,900
thereafter.
Became her.

630
00:34:32,900 –> 00:34:38,500
First long-term boyfriend ever
accept Bob Robinson was just his

631
00:34:38,500 –> 00:34:41,400
cop named and I don’t know if
we’ve ever figured out.

632
00:34:41,400 –> 00:34:43,600
This Guy’s real name, we’ll get
to that part.

633
00:34:43,800 –> 00:34:46,699
Later.
But this is a quote from

634
00:34:46,699 –> 00:34:48,699
Charlotte.
He told me that he worked as a

635
00:34:48,699 –> 00:34:52,400
gardener in North London.
Wherever I turned, he was there,

636
00:34:52,400 –> 00:34:56,300
trying to make himself useful,
trying to get my attention.

637
00:34:56,400 –> 00:34:59,100
And then, a friend of
Charlotte’s comes in with,

638
00:34:59,100 –> 00:35:02,200
another quote, one day.
Bob wasn’t there, and then he

639
00:35:02,200 –> 00:35:05,100
was everywhere.
I’m telling you, people

640
00:35:05,100 –> 00:35:08,800
listening to this at home.
When Bob Robinson, shows up at

641
00:35:08,800 –> 00:35:13,300
your door, fucking send him
packing, be very suspicious all

642
00:35:13,300 –> 00:35:15,800
the time.
So as their relationship

643
00:35:15,800 –> 00:35:19,500
progressed, Bob started pushing
Charlotte toward more radical

644
00:35:19,500 –> 00:35:23,100
activities and groups all with
the aim of eventually.

645
00:35:23,100 –> 00:35:27,200
Infiltrating the intensely
secretive and hardcore Animal

646
00:35:27,200 –> 00:35:31,400
Rights group called the animal
Liberation Front Alf.

647
00:35:31,500 –> 00:35:34,400
Well, that’s kind of a group
that, you know, if you’ve seen

648
00:35:34,800 –> 00:35:37,000
what is it 28 Days Later?
Remember at the beginning of

649
00:35:37,000 –> 00:35:40,900
that, they’re not parroting, I
guess that’s who, that, that

650
00:35:40,900 –> 00:35:42,700
carried those characters are
based on those people who are,

651
00:35:42,700 –> 00:35:45,500
like, we need to let him out of
the The lab, you know, over

652
00:35:45,500 –> 00:35:48,800
like, you know, yeah, people who
let out lab animals.

653
00:35:48,800 –> 00:35:51,500
People who throw buckets of red
paint on people who wear fur,

654
00:35:51,600 –> 00:35:52,800
that’s who they’re going to talk
about.

655
00:35:52,800 –> 00:35:54,300
And they say and we’ll
Liberation Front, those people

656
00:35:54,300 –> 00:35:58,000
actually are kind of Hardcore.
I don’t think they straight up

657
00:35:58,000 –> 00:36:00,600
like slit anyone’s throat or
impregnated someone and then

658
00:36:00,600 –> 00:36:04,500
left them there hardcore.
Well, no, I think the thing they

659
00:36:04,500 –> 00:36:07,700
were worried about then is the
same thing we’re worried about

660
00:36:07,700 –> 00:36:12,100
now which is well, what if they
hurt buildings, exactly blow up

661
00:36:12,100 –> 00:36:14,800
buildings?
We want to have them do remember

662
00:36:14,800 –> 00:36:18,300
there was this that was on the
California ballot change things

663
00:36:18,300 –> 00:36:21,600
like cage laws for birds and
stuff like chickens.

664
00:36:21,800 –> 00:36:24,300
We like yeah that was on the
ballot are but they don’t want

665
00:36:24,300 –> 00:36:26,100
that.
They don’t want you to vote on

666
00:36:26,100 –> 00:36:29,100
what kind of gauge say, atoms
can be in God forbid.

667
00:36:29,200 –> 00:36:34,500
Well, yeah, it’s it’s again any
threat to the current balance of

668
00:36:34,500 –> 00:36:39,300
power, where corporations work
with the government to keep

669
00:36:39,300 –> 00:36:42,500
everyone oppressed?
Yeah, that’s what this unit was

670
00:36:42,500 –> 00:36:45,500
fighting for.
They were I fighting for the

671
00:36:45,500 –> 00:36:48,200
man, right?
Like the man, and you got to

672
00:36:48,200 –> 00:36:53,100
consider also that the UK in the
90s had that major, major PR

673
00:36:53,100 –> 00:36:54,900
skin oil.
And, you know, everything else

674
00:36:54,900 –> 00:36:58,200
with mad cow disease, which
almost brought hope we’re in

675
00:36:58,200 –> 00:37:01,100
town, you can imagine, I mean
her whole court case and

676
00:37:01,100 –> 00:37:03,200
everything with like the beef
beef farmers of America where

677
00:37:03,200 –> 00:37:05,800
the fuck it was Texas, beef men
or whatever and they sued her

678
00:37:05,800 –> 00:37:08,400
because she was like oh my God
I’m scared That’s How Strong the

679
00:37:08,400 –> 00:37:09,900
Beet industry.
The meat industry almost took

680
00:37:09,900 –> 00:37:13,600
out Oprah.
So this guy also Bob Robinson

681
00:37:13,800 –> 00:37:17,400
Also befriended a guy named Jeff
Shepherd as part of his attempt

682
00:37:17,400 –> 00:37:20,400
to infiltrate the animal
Liberation Front.

683
00:37:20,500 –> 00:37:22,100
This is a quote from Jeff
Shepherd.

684
00:37:22,200 –> 00:37:24,400
I believed in him and I liked
him.

685
00:37:24,700 –> 00:37:26,200
I thought he was a friend of
mine.

686
00:37:26,300 –> 00:37:29,400
What have you ever seen, Jesse
Ventura’s conspiracy show?

687
00:37:29,500 –> 00:37:31,900
Yes, yes.
How do you remember the episode

688
00:37:31,900 –> 00:37:35,100
where he talks about his first
meeting with the CIA after?

689
00:37:35,100 –> 00:37:37,800
He was elected, governor of
Minnesota.

690
00:37:38,000 –> 00:37:41,400
I do not, but he was like a mint
with this CIA.

691
00:37:41,600 –> 00:37:43,600
They talk to me about being
covered.

692
00:37:43,700 –> 00:37:48,100
Either of you destroy data, he
was like, here’s the thing about

693
00:37:48,100 –> 00:37:50,000
him.
They look like your neighbors,

694
00:37:50,200 –> 00:37:54,500
like you have an image in your
head of what the CIA looks like,

695
00:37:54,500 –> 00:37:57,500
and it’s wrong.
What these undercover

696
00:37:57,500 –> 00:37:58,400
motherfuckers?
Look?

697
00:37:58,400 –> 00:38:03,100
Like are your neighbors, or your
friend, or the fucking cashier

698
00:38:03,400 –> 00:38:09,400
at the corner store, you will
not notice the CIA or any group,

699
00:38:09,400 –> 00:38:12,700
the fucking SDS.
You’re not going to notice them

700
00:38:12,700 –> 00:38:14,500
on sight.
You’re Going to look at them and

701
00:38:14,500 –> 00:38:17,900
go, oh, you’re a Fed.
They’re good at what they do.

702
00:38:18,000 –> 00:38:22,900
Correct in 1985, Bob Robinson,
who was actually married with

703
00:38:22,900 –> 00:38:25,600
kids?
Had a child with Charlotte.

704
00:38:25,600 –> 00:38:28,300
This is a quote, from her, Bob
was there by my side, through

705
00:38:28,300 –> 00:38:32,300
the 14, hours of Labor.
He seemed to be besotted with

706
00:38:32,300 –> 00:38:35,300
the baby.
He was a great dad and I had no

707
00:38:35,300 –> 00:38:39,100
reason to believe that our son
was not, his first was not his

708
00:38:39,100 –> 00:38:42,800
first child, I didn’t realize
then that he was already married

709
00:38:42,800 –> 00:38:44,300
with two other.
Children.

710
00:38:44,400 –> 00:38:46,500
This is one of four secret
relationships.

711
00:38:46,500 –> 00:38:51,000
This motherfucker entered into
while he was in SDS agent.

712
00:38:51,000 –> 00:38:54,000
Do you think it was secret to
his wife and his family to his

713
00:38:54,000 –> 00:38:55,900
kid?
You think like his friends knew

714
00:38:55,900 –> 00:38:58,000
what he was doing?
Like his friends who are friends

715
00:38:58,000 –> 00:39:00,100
with him?
And in his cop Persona?

716
00:39:00,200 –> 00:39:05,000
I can’t imagine he would have
told too many people like,

717
00:39:05,100 –> 00:39:08,900
because he kept this thing.
Was Charlotte going by making

718
00:39:08,900 –> 00:39:13,400
excuses, about having to go do
gardening jobs or visit his

719
00:39:13,400 –> 00:39:14,300
sick.
Father.

720
00:39:14,300 –> 00:39:19,200
Yeah, so that’s way easier when
your family already knows you’re

721
00:39:19,200 –> 00:39:23,400
a cop and you can just be like,
I’m on a fucking Deep Cover

722
00:39:23,400 –> 00:39:25,500
assignment for the next five
days.

723
00:39:25,500 –> 00:39:29,000
Because she said, he spent five
days of the week with her.

724
00:39:29,000 –> 00:39:31,400
Yeah, that could gets me because
he’s so he has his wife and kids

725
00:39:31,400 –> 00:39:34,500
Steve thinks she’s like, hey, do
you have another family where

726
00:39:34,500 –> 00:39:37,500
she’s like, baby puke on him or
he says she’s like, hey why do

727
00:39:37,508 –> 00:39:39,500
you smell like a baby?
You know.

728
00:39:39,700 –> 00:39:42,700
Well, I mean she might have
asked questions but in that

729
00:39:42,700 –> 00:39:45,500
situation all All he’s got to
say is it’s a were thing.

730
00:39:45,500 –> 00:39:48,400
Like, what wild about this is,
that’s this whole experience of

731
00:39:48,408 –> 00:39:52,500
all info coming out is also
traumatizing his family.

732
00:39:52,500 –> 00:39:55,700
His cop family, I’m gonna call
him as cop family like they’re a

733
00:39:55,700 –> 00:39:59,700
family of cops to go Baby Cop
but brother cup sister comp

734
00:40:00,600 –> 00:40:03,500
anyway.
So yeah, so it’s traumatizing to

735
00:40:03,500 –> 00:40:06,900
them to to be like, oh my God,
my dad was this person?

736
00:40:06,900 –> 00:40:10,100
Doing these horrible things, all
these years and I had no idea

737
00:40:10,100 –> 00:40:12,800
what a nightmare.
But here’s the thing, does his

738
00:40:12,800 –> 00:40:15,400
family even know.
Like we don’t I don’t think we

739
00:40:15,408 –> 00:40:17,600
know Bob Robinson’s real
identity.

740
00:40:17,600 –> 00:40:21,700
We know some of these cops real
names by now, but not all of

741
00:40:21,700 –> 00:40:23,600
them.
That’s that’s still a really big

742
00:40:23,600 –> 00:40:27,300
sticking point with this.
So how would his family even

743
00:40:27,300 –> 00:40:30,200
know?
Like unless they, I guess some

744
00:40:30,200 –> 00:40:34,700
of these women would have had
pictures or something to show

745
00:40:34,700 –> 00:40:38,300
the media and maybe the family
would notice it that way, but

746
00:40:38,300 –> 00:40:41,600
otherwise like he’s not going to
fucking like no cop is going

747
00:40:41,600 –> 00:40:44,400
home and telling his family
about all the Dirt, he’s doing

748
00:40:44,400 –> 00:40:47,200
on the job.
It’s not like, oh, honey, you

749
00:40:47,200 –> 00:40:50,200
won’t believe all the cocaine.
I stole out of this guy’s trunk

750
00:40:50,200 –> 00:40:52,500
today.
What a great day at work.

751
00:40:52,500 –> 00:40:54,900
Like he’s a fucking cop, he’s an
asshole.

752
00:40:54,900 –> 00:40:57,200
He probably didn’t even talk to
his goddamn wife.

753
00:40:57,800 –> 00:41:02,000
He probably had another family
on the side that he wasn’t

754
00:41:02,000 –> 00:41:04,200
spying on like he’s a fucking
cop.

755
00:41:04,200 –> 00:41:07,300
Who knows that depravity.
I don’t have the despres

756
00:41:07,300 –> 00:41:09,800
voltmeter, which is like, we’re
like a sore.

757
00:41:09,800 –> 00:41:13,400
Wooden penis goes up and down.
Two of those relationships.

758
00:41:13,400 –> 00:41:17,400
He In were long-lasting and
serious and he ended them both

759
00:41:17,400 –> 00:41:20,400
by sending a letter postmarked
from Spain, saying he was never

760
00:41:20,400 –> 00:41:23,400
coming back.
Like they these dudes.

761
00:41:23,400 –> 00:41:27,800
Not only infiltrated these women
who were activists, you know, in

762
00:41:27,800 –> 00:41:31,000
an attempt to infiltrate the
group’s, they were associated

763
00:41:31,000 –> 00:41:35,000
with, but they followed the same
Playbook where they would get in

764
00:41:35,000 –> 00:41:38,800
and get really deep in.
And once they had like all the

765
00:41:38,800 –> 00:41:41,000
information, they thought they
were going to get they would

766
00:41:41,000 –> 00:41:43,500
start like kind of provoking the
woman.

767
00:41:43,600 –> 00:41:46,700
To try and get her to end the
relationship.

768
00:41:46,800 –> 00:41:48,900
And if that didn’t work, they
would pretend they were having

769
00:41:48,900 –> 00:41:51,200
like a breakdown and then they
would just go to another

770
00:41:51,200 –> 00:41:53,900
country, send a letter.
And they would say oh you can

771
00:41:53,900 –> 00:41:57,700
come if you want but like one
guy sent his letter from South

772
00:41:57,700 –> 00:41:59,500
Africa.
So the woman’s not going to be

773
00:41:59,500 –> 00:42:02,200
like, oh yeah, pick up and move
to South Africa with this

774
00:42:02,200 –> 00:42:06,200
lunatic who just deserted me.
So, it was like a cover so they

775
00:42:06,200 –> 00:42:09,800
could like ended in a way that
seemed realistic, right?

776
00:42:09,800 –> 00:42:12,200
And meanwhile, this one, these
women are just fucking

777
00:42:12,200 –> 00:42:14,700
devastated.
Are they even know that the

778
00:42:14,700 –> 00:42:16,200
person they were dating is a
cop?

779
00:42:16,500 –> 00:42:18,700
Oh, of course.
I mean, yeah, there’s shattered.

780
00:42:18,700 –> 00:42:20,000
They’ve been living with these
men.

781
00:42:20,000 –> 00:42:24,000
They’re their partner, they are
deeply entrenched in their

782
00:42:24,000 –> 00:42:26,200
political life and their social
life and their friend life and

783
00:42:26,200 –> 00:42:28,900
their romantic life.
Yeah, it’s horrible.

784
00:42:28,900 –> 00:42:31,300
As you can imagine it could be
the only thing that comes close

785
00:42:31,300 –> 00:42:35,700
to this which I can imagine in
terms of feeling as bad about

786
00:42:35,700 –> 00:42:38,000
this is I think I mentioned this
on the show before but Harry

787
00:42:38,000 –> 00:42:41,100
Belafonte found out the FBI.
Had an agent pretending to be a

788
00:42:41,100 –> 00:42:43,500
psychiatrist, the treated him
and his wife.

789
00:42:43,700 –> 00:42:46,900
For years and we recorded him it
turned out his psychiatrist was

790
00:42:46,900 –> 00:42:49,800
an FBI agent.
So, yeah, that level of

791
00:42:49,800 –> 00:42:52,400
intrusion is definitely
psychologically damaging.

792
00:42:52,400 –> 00:42:56,600
Yeah, for these poor women,
yikes and also in the cases of

793
00:42:56,600 –> 00:42:58,900
the relationships that produce
children.

794
00:42:59,100 –> 00:43:02,200
There are a couple of children
whose father just disappeared

795
00:43:02,200 –> 00:43:04,700
into the night.
It’s like that’s real

796
00:43:05,000 –> 00:43:09,300
psychological damage that they
are doing to people all in the

797
00:43:09,300 –> 00:43:14,100
name of fucking stamping out.
Animal rights activists, It’s so

798
00:43:14,100 –> 00:43:17,100
fucking egregious.
Yeah, insane?

799
00:43:17,200 –> 00:43:18,400
Yeah, that’s woman.
Charlotte.

800
00:43:18,400 –> 00:43:21,400
I mean she eventually try to
track him down just to get some

801
00:43:21,400 –> 00:43:23,700
basic kind of child support
because you’re also thinking

802
00:43:23,700 –> 00:43:25,800
he’s late.
They’re leaving these women with

803
00:43:26,100 –> 00:43:29,800
no support and no means to get
support, but she couldn’t find

804
00:43:29,800 –> 00:43:33,100
them because his identity was
not his identity because he

805
00:43:33,100 –> 00:43:35,000
didn’t exist.
So, of course, he can’t find him

806
00:43:35,000 –> 00:43:37,400
in Spain with all the funny
about this to me is like they’re

807
00:43:37,400 –> 00:43:39,200
in Spain.
Which is like if you were in the

808
00:43:39,200 –> 00:43:41,100
US since I was like in, we lived
in Florida.

809
00:43:41,100 –> 00:43:45,100
So I was like, oh my God, I got
to go to Chauhan I can never see

810
00:43:45,100 –> 00:43:48,000
you again.
It’s like Spain and the UK

811
00:43:48,000 –> 00:43:51,400
aren’t that far away actually.
But anyway, I digress.

812
00:43:51,400 –> 00:43:54,300
Pain is just a vacation spot.
If you live in the UK, I’m

813
00:43:54,300 –> 00:43:56,000
surprised.
She didn’t go looking for him.

814
00:43:56,300 –> 00:43:59,400
Exactly.
Let’s go to Ibiza bruv.

815
00:44:00,000 –> 00:44:06,800
Oh yeah, not only is Bob Lambert
known to have done all of these

816
00:44:06,800 –> 00:44:10,300
things.
He’s also suspected of planting

817
00:44:10,300 –> 00:44:15,000
and incendiary device that
damaged a And department store a

818
00:44:15,000 –> 00:44:18,200
crime that another activist was
jailed for.

819
00:44:18,900 –> 00:44:24,300
He also co-wrote this really
famous London Greenpeace

820
00:44:24,300 –> 00:44:28,700
leaflet, that was really
disparaging toward McDonald’s

821
00:44:28,900 –> 00:44:33,500
and because England’s libel laws
are the way they are, like it’s

822
00:44:33,500 –> 00:44:36,000
really easy to sue.
Someone for liable in England.

823
00:44:36,300 –> 00:44:37,900
McDonald’s was like, you know
what?

824
00:44:37,900 –> 00:44:40,800
Fuck it.
We’re gonna sue them, and let’s

825
00:44:40,800 –> 00:44:42,800
see if they just, they’re
probably just going to

826
00:44:42,800 –> 00:44:44,700
apologize.
Eyes and withdraw it because

827
00:44:44,700 –> 00:44:49,400
they can’t fight us and two of
these fucking activists were

828
00:44:49,400 –> 00:44:53,000
like, yeah, we can, well, we’ll
make this a fucking court case

829
00:44:53,300 –> 00:44:56,200
in it turned into, like they
call it the mick libel case.

830
00:44:56,200 –> 00:45:00,700
It was one of the biggest cases
in England and Bob Robinson,

831
00:45:00,700 –> 00:45:03,700
wrote the leaflet that started
that or co-wrote it.

832
00:45:03,800 –> 00:45:07,800
And then they sent another agent
in who became the boyfriend of

833
00:45:07,800 –> 00:45:12,300
one of the women who was the
activists fighting McDonald’s.

834
00:45:12,300 –> 00:45:16,800
So one of the two Activists who
actually stood up to McDonald’s?

835
00:45:17,100 –> 00:45:21,100
They were able to send someone
in an infiltrate that fucking

836
00:45:21,100 –> 00:45:23,200
group.
That’s insane.

837
00:45:23,300 –> 00:45:25,400
It’s a really interesting case
to make libel lawsuit.

838
00:45:25,400 –> 00:45:28,100
I was just watching weird like
four or five days ago.

839
00:45:28,100 –> 00:45:31,400
A lot of video on it on.
I like the psycho business blade

840
00:45:31,400 –> 00:45:32,800
sits.
This YouTuber makes it he’s from

841
00:45:32,800 –> 00:45:36,100
the UK but Sinister in case some
of the few cases were regular,

842
00:45:36,100 –> 00:45:39,000
people actually did sort of win
a case against McDonald’s.

843
00:45:39,100 –> 00:45:40,800
You know, it, but it took a very
long time.

844
00:45:40,800 –> 00:45:43,000
It took multiple cases, it was
not over quickly.

845
00:45:43,000 –> 00:45:44,900
Is what?
Was legal slog.

846
00:45:44,900 –> 00:45:46,700
It was a horrible case for
everyone involved.

847
00:45:46,700 –> 00:45:47,900
It took up like their whole
lives.

848
00:45:47,900 –> 00:45:49,200
Yeah.
Because McDonald’s was not going

849
00:45:49,200 –> 00:45:52,400
to give up and all but when we
talk about I don’t know if it’s

850
00:45:52,400 –> 00:45:54,900
clear what we’re saying.
There’s a group that stood

851
00:45:54,900 –> 00:45:57,800
outside of a McDonald’s
restaurant in London and handed

852
00:45:57,800 –> 00:46:01,700
out leaflets, exposing them for,
you know, being damaging to the

853
00:46:01,700 –> 00:46:04,700
environment and being generally
bad for the planet, that’s all

854
00:46:04,707 –> 00:46:06,200
they did.
They didn’t burn down to

855
00:46:06,200 –> 00:46:09,800
McDonald’s, they didn’t kidnap
him, McDonald’s employee.

856
00:46:10,000 –> 00:46:13,400
They didn’t throw a bucket of
blood at the, you know?

857
00:46:13,600 –> 00:46:16,100
Down or whatever, they didn’t
fucking actually, they didn’t

858
00:46:16,100 –> 00:46:18,200
even step foot inside the
McDonald’s.

859
00:46:18,200 –> 00:46:22,300
They were outside the building
but Bob Lambert had to know how

860
00:46:22,300 –> 00:46:24,600
McDonald’s would react.
Oh no, he knew.

861
00:46:24,600 –> 00:46:26,100
I’m just saying.
If your terms like time like

862
00:46:26,100 –> 00:46:28,100
this is how hard McDonald’s
reacted.

863
00:46:28,100 –> 00:46:29,700
This is what they were doing
standing out loud.

864
00:46:29,700 –> 00:46:32,000
That’s not.
I don’t give a shit about what

865
00:46:32,000 –> 00:46:34,600
McDonald’s dead.
Like we’ll talk about their

866
00:46:34,600 –> 00:46:39,400
crimes at another time but you
know Bob Lambert new McDonald’s

867
00:46:39,400 –> 00:46:42,000
would react like that or seat
and he’s like brav.

868
00:46:42,000 –> 00:46:43,400
This is how we’re going to
squash this.

869
00:46:43,500 –> 00:46:45,200
Group.
I’m gonna write this leaflet.

870
00:46:45,200 –> 00:46:47,600
We’re going to stand in front of
McDonald’s and handed out

871
00:46:47,600 –> 00:46:50,200
McDonald’s, will sue.
And these motherfuckers will be

872
00:46:50,200 –> 00:46:54,000
done and they were not done.
So they had to send another cop

873
00:46:54,100 –> 00:46:57,200
to infiltrate the two activists
that decide to stand up to

874
00:46:57,200 –> 00:47:01,700
McDonald’s.
Yeah, Insanity goddamn the woman

875
00:47:01,800 –> 00:47:02,800
involved in that.
Mick.

876
00:47:02,800 –> 00:47:07,200
Libel lawsuit, her name was
Helen steel and she was

877
00:47:07,400 –> 00:47:10,700
infiltrated by a guy named John
dines.

878
00:47:10,700 –> 00:47:13,500
That’s his real name.
We know his real name and he

879
00:47:13,600 –> 00:47:16,500
Struck up a long-term
relationship with her.

880
00:47:16,700 –> 00:47:19,700
Ended it in much the same way
except he’s the one who went to

881
00:47:19,700 –> 00:47:21,500
South Africa and sent his
letter.

882
00:47:21,700 –> 00:47:24,300
This is a quote from her.
He said he wanted to spend the

883
00:47:24,300 –> 00:47:27,300
rest of his life with me in a
short space of time.

884
00:47:27,300 –> 00:47:31,500
I felt absolutely madly in love
with him in a way.

885
00:47:31,500 –> 00:47:36,800
I had never fallen in love with
anyone before or since and

886
00:47:36,800 –> 00:47:40,500
here’s the that, like it seems,
I’m chuckling, but I’m closing

887
00:47:40,500 –> 00:47:45,100
my eyes because it’s so painful.
Well, What you also have to take

888
00:47:45,100 –> 00:47:50,100
into account is it’s not like,
they’re just hoping these agents

889
00:47:50,100 –> 00:47:52,700
are good with women.
They’re going to be trained on

890
00:47:52,700 –> 00:47:56,900
that shit like yeah.
Like pickup artists are a thing

891
00:47:57,100 –> 00:47:59,000
and some of them do a lot of
fucking.

892
00:47:59,200 –> 00:48:05,000
And there is undoubtedly any
number of techniques that

893
00:48:05,000 –> 00:48:09,700
federal law enforcement agencies
know and can employ when it

894
00:48:09,700 –> 00:48:14,800
comes to trying to do shit like
this, like You’re not, you’re

895
00:48:14,800 –> 00:48:17,900
going to send the right man for
the job when it comes to

896
00:48:17,900 –> 00:48:21,200
befriending Helen steel and he’s
going to know what the fuck to

897
00:48:21,200 –> 00:48:24,600
say to hell and steal to get to
her heart.

898
00:48:24,600 –> 00:48:27,400
And that’s obviously what
happened and that’s what makes

899
00:48:27,400 –> 00:48:31,900
it so much crazier, like the
level to which they get involved

900
00:48:31,900 –> 00:48:35,200
with these women.
I don’t know how any government

901
00:48:35,200 –> 00:48:37,100
agency could have been like this
is good.

902
00:48:37,200 –> 00:48:39,500
Yeah, this is, this is what we
should be doing the seams,

903
00:48:39,500 –> 00:48:41,300
right?
No way are people going to find

904
00:48:41,300 –> 00:48:43,800
out about this someday.
I just took the It makes sense

905
00:48:43,800 –> 00:48:48,200
from a budgetary perspective.
I think it’s a horrible.

906
00:48:48,200 –> 00:48:51,400
Use of resources.
It said I come down to on this.

907
00:48:51,400 –> 00:48:54,300
I just don’t know what fucking
high grade information.

908
00:48:54,300 –> 00:48:57,800
You’re getting from Helen steel
that you need to do this to her

909
00:48:57,900 –> 00:49:00,600
Blake.
Yeah, you know, you know what

910
00:49:00,600 –> 00:49:02,000
are you really getting out of
the table anyway?

911
00:49:02,000 –> 00:49:04,900
But yeah.
So, if you think that you could

912
00:49:04,900 –> 00:49:08,000
not be made to fall in love with
a government agent, I think

913
00:49:08,000 –> 00:49:09,400
you’re wrong.
I think we all could.

914
00:49:09,400 –> 00:49:12,600
I mean there’s obviously How to
Win Friends and Influence People

915
00:49:12,600 –> 00:49:14,500
is not a best-selling book.
For no fucking reason.

916
00:49:14,500 –> 00:49:16,800
Right, right, right.
These techniques work because

917
00:49:16,800 –> 00:49:19,300
it’s study because people are
fairly simple and, you know,

918
00:49:19,300 –> 00:49:21,400
love-bombing and all that shit.
And Tom Cruise, people still

919
00:49:21,400 –> 00:49:24,200
join Scientology, Adam people
still join.

920
00:49:24,600 –> 00:49:27,800
Yeah.
So he uses, so his Alias.

921
00:49:27,800 –> 00:49:31,000
Also love these aliases, John
Barker who, right?

922
00:49:31,000 –> 00:49:33,600
And that’s where Against All
Odds.

923
00:49:33,600 –> 00:49:38,400
The story gets even fucking
crazier because Helen steel

924
00:49:38,600 –> 00:49:43,300
decides to go look for John.
Barker who is John Dean?

925
00:49:43,500 –> 00:49:46,100
As his undercover Alias was John
Barker.

926
00:49:46,200 –> 00:49:50,300
And at one point, she actually
finds his birth certificate that

927
00:49:50,300 –> 00:49:54,600
sure, enough matches up with his
story, which was that he was

928
00:49:54,600 –> 00:49:56,700
born.
I forget in what part of England

929
00:49:56,800 –> 00:49:59,800
and it all matches.
But then she checks death

930
00:49:59,800 –> 00:50:03,600
records and realizes John.
Barker is a kid who died of

931
00:50:03,600 –> 00:50:06,700
leukemia at the age of eight.
Yes.

932
00:50:07,400 –> 00:50:11,800
And that produces another
scandal from this situation.

933
00:50:11,900 –> 00:50:17,300
It turns out that Was where most
SDS identities at least early

934
00:50:17,300 –> 00:50:19,600
on.
We’re coming from it like right

935
00:50:19,600 –> 00:50:23,600
up until they started digitizing
death records like up to that

936
00:50:23,600 –> 00:50:27,500
point.
Every SDS fake identity was an

937
00:50:27,500 –> 00:50:30,600
identity.
They stole from a dead child.

938
00:50:30,600 –> 00:50:33,000
A dead child that still had a
family out there.

939
00:50:33,300 –> 00:50:36,400
Like one of the things, Helen
steel brings up that I didn’t

940
00:50:36,400 –> 00:50:41,500
put in the notes is she said I’m
so glad I never found John

941
00:50:41,500 –> 00:50:46,500
Barker’s parents because Imagine
if they got that phone call,

942
00:50:46,500 –> 00:50:51,800
where some woman is calling you.
You have every reason to believe

943
00:50:51,800 –> 00:50:55,000
your son died, at the age of 8
and now out of the blue, This

944
00:50:55,000 –> 00:50:58,400
Woman’s, like your son’s, a
piece of shit who got me

945
00:50:58,400 –> 00:51:01,000
pregnant and moved to fucking
South Africa.

946
00:51:01,200 –> 00:51:04,500
So she’s like, she has said
that, she’s very glad she never

947
00:51:04,500 –> 00:51:07,600
found the parents because that
would have fucking traumatize

948
00:51:07,600 –> 00:51:10,300
them and it did traumatize.
All these parents because

949
00:51:10,300 –> 00:51:13,200
they’re like, well my kid died
and now you’re using them too.

950
00:51:13,500 –> 00:51:17,200
In get activist pregnant and
bring down peace groups.

951
00:51:17,300 –> 00:51:20,100
Well it’s all so disgusting
hypocrisy, right?

952
00:51:20,100 –> 00:51:23,400
We’re fighting crime by stealing
the social security numbers and

953
00:51:23,400 –> 00:51:25,000
names of children.
They’re stealing them.

954
00:51:25,000 –> 00:51:26,700
They don’t have the permission
from these parents.

955
00:51:26,700 –> 00:51:29,500
It’s theft they’re committing
identity theft.

956
00:51:29,500 –> 00:51:33,000
There are constructing new
identities, they are thieving

957
00:51:33,300 –> 00:51:37,000
the Legacy, the names, the home
plate, the hometowns they are

958
00:51:37,000 –> 00:51:38,700
stealing this data from these
people.

959
00:51:38,700 –> 00:51:41,200
They’re stealing an identity,
they’re committing Mass fraud.

960
00:51:41,500 –> 00:51:44,300
Not to mention.
I mean it’s One of the women in

961
00:51:44,308 –> 00:51:47,000
these cases described it as
being raped by the state and

962
00:51:47,000 –> 00:51:48,300
that’s not wrong.
Yeah.

963
00:51:48,500 –> 00:51:51,300
Like if you were to tell me they
were killing the kids so they

964
00:51:51,300 –> 00:51:53,500
could steal the identities.
I’d be like, yeah, I believe

965
00:51:53,500 –> 00:51:56,600
that to what they figured out a
way to give John Barker

966
00:51:56,600 –> 00:51:59,000
leukemia.
Sure, MKUltra was a thing by

967
00:51:59,000 –> 00:52:00,100
then.
Why not?

968
00:52:00,200 –> 00:52:02,000
I mean people who put it on the
badge and gun.

969
00:52:02,000 –> 00:52:04,700
I think you have a dignity as
low as the Marianas Trench.

970
00:52:04,700 –> 00:52:07,300
So, whatever, right?
It’s believe they stole the

971
00:52:07,300 –> 00:52:11,200
identities of more than 80 dead
children, and use them to issue,

972
00:52:11,200 –> 00:52:16,600
passports and ID’s for SDS Gents
1 SDS officer who participated

973
00:52:16,600 –> 00:52:20,300
in this using the Alias identity
of a dead child named John.

974
00:52:20,300 –> 00:52:24,500
Black said the operation was
almost stassi like, which Laura

975
00:52:24,500 –> 00:52:27,500
mentioned earlier?
This is a quote from him.

976
00:52:27,500 –> 00:52:31,000
He said, well, first off, he
said, STS officers would even go

977
00:52:31,000 –> 00:52:36,100
so far as to visit the childhood
home and hometown of these dead

978
00:52:36,100 –> 00:52:37,600
kids.
So they could bolster their

979
00:52:37,600 –> 00:52:41,200
cover, this is a quote, it’s
those little details that really

980
00:52:41,200 –> 00:52:43,300
matter.
The weird smell coming out of

981
00:52:43,400 –> 00:52:45,500
The drain that’s been broken for
years.

982
00:52:45,700 –> 00:52:49,400
The location of the corner post
office, the number of the bus

983
00:52:49,400 –> 00:52:53,500
you get to go from one place to
another that is the level of

984
00:52:53,500 –> 00:52:59,700
detail and investigation that’s
going into just the Dead kid

985
00:52:59,700 –> 00:53:04,100
part of this fucking Scandal.
So imagine the effort and

986
00:53:04,100 –> 00:53:07,800
resources they’re putting into
infiltrating these groups and

987
00:53:07,800 –> 00:53:11,300
convincing these women that they
are in an actual loving

988
00:53:11,300 –> 00:53:13,300
relationship.
It’s mine.

989
00:53:13,500 –> 00:53:19,500
Blowing like the scope of this
is Bonkers and it’s so much the

990
00:53:19,500 –> 00:53:23,600
time and we’re just talking
about London, we’re just talking

991
00:53:23,600 –> 00:53:28,800
about London one country.
No, we’re talking about one city

992
00:53:28,900 –> 00:53:31,400
in England.
There is no doubt that this

993
00:53:31,400 –> 00:53:34,200
happened, one of the.
One of the things that the

994
00:53:34,200 –> 00:53:37,500
groups that are fighting for
more information about this to

995
00:53:37,508 –> 00:53:41,100
come out, one of the things they
want is for the investigation to

996
00:53:41,100 –> 00:53:44,400
extend to Scotland because it’s
assumed And this happened a

997
00:53:44,408 –> 00:53:47,500
bunch in Scotland also where
there was also tons of yeah,

998
00:53:47,600 –> 00:53:50,700
protests it’s like a crime,
being committed in Connecticut.

999
00:53:50,700 –> 00:53:53,800
You want to go to Rhode Island
to investigate a little further.

1000
00:53:54,100 –> 00:53:57,400
It’s not that bad anyway.
So the problem the real problem

1001
00:53:57,400 –> 00:54:00,300
with this too is also any we
keep bringing this out which is

1002
00:54:00,500 –> 00:54:04,200
the full scale of this has not
been revealed, we know a bit, we

1003
00:54:04,200 –> 00:54:08,300
know, a few of the group’s, we
know a few of the names and only

1004
00:54:08,300 –> 00:54:11,900
in the last 10 years or so.
And for the most part, you know

1005
00:54:11,900 –> 00:54:13,900
what I mean?
And these people, Are still

1006
00:54:13,900 –> 00:54:16,100
relatively young, the people who
are victims, they’re still

1007
00:54:16,100 –> 00:54:18,600
relatively young people and
they’re probably going to spend

1008
00:54:18,600 –> 00:54:21,900
their whole lives fighting to
get this information out, right?

1009
00:54:21,900 –> 00:54:24,000
Yeah.
And it’s it’s one of those

1010
00:54:24,000 –> 00:54:28,300
things that like we said at the
beginning, it’s been in the news

1011
00:54:28,700 –> 00:54:32,400
like this is I only heard about
it because someone on the on

1012
00:54:32,400 –> 00:54:36,100
pops Discord, posted it in a
conspiracy threat was like, hey,

1013
00:54:36,100 –> 00:54:39,400
you should talk about this and
that’s how I found out about

1014
00:54:39,400 –> 00:54:42,100
this.
It took someone actually delete

1015
00:54:42,100 –> 00:54:45,100
like hand-delivering.
This information to me, but it’s

1016
00:54:45,100 –> 00:54:48,800
been in the news in the UK for
since the late 90s.

1017
00:54:49,000 –> 00:54:53,600
So it’s one of those things that
it seems at least from my

1018
00:54:53,800 –> 00:54:57,700
looking into it, that sort of
Falls in and out of the news and

1019
00:54:57,700 –> 00:54:59,800
people like care about it for a
while.

1020
00:54:59,800 –> 00:55:02,100
And then they’re like, oh,
whatever happened with that.

1021
00:55:02,100 –> 00:55:03,900
Do ya.
Did we ever get all those cops

1022
00:55:03,900 –> 00:55:05,500
names?
And it’s like, now we didn’t

1023
00:55:05,900 –> 00:55:08,600
talk about in 2011, this guy
who’s is member of Greenpeace

1024
00:55:08,600 –> 00:55:12,900
and he had infiltrated the group
and he got confronted by his

1025
00:55:12,900 –> 00:55:14,800
old.
A of his Greenpeace group when

1026
00:55:14,800 –> 00:55:19,100
you speaking at a conference and
they’re like, hey, what the

1027
00:55:19,100 –> 00:55:21,700
fuck.
So it’s in some of these cases,

1028
00:55:21,700 –> 00:55:26,100
it takes a very brave people.
In small case has to go up and

1029
00:55:26,100 –> 00:55:30,800
confront individuals like how
about how Brave you have to be.

1030
00:55:30,900 –> 00:55:35,700
Yeah, Bob Robinson went on like
lecture tours in London after

1031
00:55:35,700 –> 00:55:39,100
this in your right eventually.
One of the group’s was like bruv

1032
00:55:39,200 –> 00:55:41,900
you’re the guy that fucking was
part of my group?

1033
00:55:42,100 –> 00:55:45,400
Yeah.
And Like are you a cop and yeah,

1034
00:55:45,400 –> 00:55:48,600
he’s a cop, he’s a cop.
Can you imagine finding out that

1035
00:55:48,600 –> 00:55:51,000
some guy you were in a group
with is actually somebody else?

1036
00:55:51,000 –> 00:55:53,500
They must’ve felt like they were
losing their goddamn minds and

1037
00:55:53,500 –> 00:55:56,400
it took him two years.
Even after that I wanted to have

1038
00:55:56,408 –> 00:55:59,900
Levin, it took him two years to
actually admit that he’d been in

1039
00:55:59,900 –> 00:56:02,800
for fake relationships and he
said that he’d made serious

1040
00:56:02,800 –> 00:56:06,400
mistakes that he should regret
and always will do.

1041
00:56:06,600 –> 00:56:08,600
What the fuck does that me?
Yeah.

1042
00:56:08,700 –> 00:56:13,100
Thanks that apology really helps
what a mistake, what a horrible

1043
00:56:13,100 –> 00:56:15,900
mistake.
Steak, I made over a Year’s and

1044
00:56:15,900 –> 00:56:18,200
what a hero to admit his
mistakes.

1045
00:56:18,400 –> 00:56:19,700
You know, what?
We’re not even putting this

1046
00:56:19,700 –> 00:56:24,300
episode out, everything’s fixed,
but it’s not fine.

1047
00:56:24,300 –> 00:56:29,700
And it’s really interesting how
this came roaring back into the

1048
00:56:29,700 –> 00:56:37,400
public Consciousness in London
in 2018, fucking UK Cosmetics

1049
00:56:37,400 –> 00:56:42,800
company, Lush posted an article
on their website called spy cops

1050
00:56:42,800 –> 00:56:46,800
scandal Oh, why police spying on
campaigning citizens should be

1051
00:56:46,800 –> 00:56:51,800
exposed which is like if fucking
goop took down all their vagina

1052
00:56:51,800 –> 00:56:55,900
egg listings and just put up a
fucking article about police

1053
00:56:55,900 –> 00:56:57,800
brutality.
Like that’s kind of what

1054
00:56:57,800 –> 00:57:00,100
happened.
It’s weirder than that it’s

1055
00:57:00,100 –> 00:57:04,000
like, okay, it’s like a Bed Bath
and Beyond was suddenly like,

1056
00:57:04,100 –> 00:57:08,000
why fluoride in your drinking
water is eating your brain or

1057
00:57:08,300 –> 00:57:11,200
something like that or like like
blush is for Real.

1058
00:57:11,200 –> 00:57:13,200
In my not know offhand, it’s a
date.

1059
00:57:13,400 –> 00:57:17,500
Make bath bombs.
The colorful bombs that not

1060
00:57:17,500 –> 00:57:20,200
bomb, colorful collections of
essential oils that you put in a

1061
00:57:20,200 –> 00:57:22,400
bath and they sort of Fizz and
stuff.

1062
00:57:22,400 –> 00:57:24,000
There are huge Cosmetics
company.

1063
00:57:24,000 –> 00:57:26,700
They make all kinds of shit that
the article mentioned bath

1064
00:57:26,700 –> 00:57:28,500
bombs.
But yeah, I had a friend who

1065
00:57:28,500 –> 00:57:30,600
used to work for them and she
told me a lot about the company

1066
00:57:30,600 –> 00:57:33,200
and yes, so it’s kind of how
like yeah, like how Ben and

1067
00:57:33,200 –> 00:57:36,600
Jerry’s is very wildly
supportive of the black lives

1068
00:57:36,600 –> 00:57:38,600
matter movement and correcting
Injustice.

1069
00:57:38,800 –> 00:57:43,100
The blush is the Ben & Jerry’s
of UK on this issue and they

1070
00:57:43,100 –> 00:57:46,400
took Took it a step further.
After that, article went up,

1071
00:57:46,400 –> 00:57:50,100
they changed all of their
storefronts to look like crime

1072
00:57:50,100 –> 00:57:54,100
scenes and put up police tape,
that said, police have crossed

1073
00:57:54,100 –> 00:57:56,900
the line.
And then they had these posters

1074
00:57:57,100 –> 00:58:00,100
where it was a dude.
Who half of his face looked like

1075
00:58:00,100 –> 00:58:03,600
a regular person and then the
other half, he was clearly a cop

1076
00:58:03,600 –> 00:58:08,000
and it said paid to lie on the
posters and they did this all

1077
00:58:08,000 –> 00:58:11,300
around fucking London with their
storefronts.

1078
00:58:11,300 –> 00:58:15,200
They dedicated their fucking To
this and people weren’t happy.

1079
00:58:15,300 –> 00:58:18,100
People are like, that’s
anti-state, that’s anti-police.

1080
00:58:18,100 –> 00:58:20,700
And they were like, fuck you, we
don’t care.

1081
00:58:20,700 –> 00:58:24,000
This is what we do.
In addition to making Cosmetics,

1082
00:58:24,200 –> 00:58:28,400
this was their quote from PR
rep, Eva cook as a global

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00:58:28,400 –> 00:58:32,000
campaign and Company we believe
in using our voices, shops, and

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00:58:32,000 –> 00:58:34,800
online presence to bring
awareness, and support to a

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00:58:34,808 –> 00:58:38,300
variety of issues.
Some of which vary regionally

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00:58:38,300 –> 00:58:40,900
fuck.
Yeah, I’m into that.

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00:58:41,000 –> 00:58:44,900
No, and they’ve previously back.
Act, the black lives matter

1088
00:58:44,900 –> 00:58:49,400
campaign in u.s. in the u.s. and
a hunger strike in support of

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00:58:49,400 –> 00:58:53,400
Guantanamo Bay prisoners.
So the fact that they would back

1090
00:58:53,400 –> 00:58:57,800
this isn’t that crazy but the
degree to which they did it like

1091
00:58:57,800 –> 00:58:59,400
right in the heart of where it’s
happening.

1092
00:58:59,900 –> 00:59:03,200
I think is commendable.
Yeah I think that’s something

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00:59:03,200 –> 00:59:05,800
that we’re going to have to kind
of accept moving more into the

1094
00:59:05,800 –> 00:59:09,200
21st century is that.
I think we can actually have an

1095
00:59:09,200 –> 00:59:12,500
assumption that people who run
large companies or a very

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00:59:12,500 –> 00:59:15,100
successful.
People all have a sort of common

1097
00:59:15,100 –> 00:59:17,900
mindset or a certain political
Viewpoint and that.

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00:59:17,900 –> 00:59:21,600
I mean, we saw recently, with
the people who were connected to

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00:59:21,900 –> 00:59:26,000
CrossFit, turn out to be insane.
Like anti-vaxxers, and people

1100
00:59:26,000 –> 00:59:29,600
are like, huh, like the people
who run CrossFit are insane and

1101
00:59:29,600 –> 00:59:31,900
like Libertarians and such.
So we’re going to see a lot more

1102
00:59:31,900 –> 00:59:33,200
companies.
I think that have more

1103
00:59:33,200 –> 00:59:36,600
particular character to the
people who own them and run them

1104
00:59:36,900 –> 00:59:39,800
and are much more, you know,
like bold like this, whether for

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00:59:39,800 –> 00:59:42,200
good or bad, we can’t really say
then we did.

1106
00:59:42,200 –> 00:59:44,900
I think in the Century where
people wanted to have more

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00:59:44,900 –> 00:59:47,700
Anonymous corporations, like GM,
you know, or something like

1108
00:59:47,700 –> 00:59:48,800
that.
So we’re going to see more

1109
00:59:48,800 –> 00:59:50,500
companies like Lush.
I think you doing this sort of

1110
00:59:50,500 –> 00:59:55,800
thing, hopefully, and the thing
Lush and everyone campaigning

1111
00:59:55,800 –> 00:59:58,900
over.
This once is three things they

1112
00:59:58,900 –> 01:00:02,700
want, what for things actually
they want the investigation and

1113
01:00:02,700 –> 01:00:07,100
inquiry to extend to Scotland.
They want the cover names of the

1114
01:00:07,100 –> 01:00:11,500
officers, the names of the
groups they spied on and the

1115
01:00:11,500 –> 01:00:16,200
personal files of Victims and
the reason they’re not getting,

1116
01:00:16,200 –> 01:00:20,000
it is something called the
Mosaic effect that is a term.

1117
01:00:20,000 –> 01:00:23,800
The Metropolitan Police Service
used in a report that was

1118
01:00:23,800 –> 01:00:27,100
submitted to the inquiry panel
assembled by Theresa May.

1119
01:00:27,300 –> 01:00:31,100
And their argument is that
absolute secrecy must be

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01:00:31,100 –> 01:00:34,500
maintained around these units
and individual officers.

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01:00:34,900 –> 01:00:37,700
Why?
Because even comparatively small

1122
01:00:37,700 –> 01:00:42,200
leakages of information can be
pieced together, like a mosaic

1123
01:00:42,300 –> 01:00:46,000
to enable unification of the
officers by Those whom they

1124
01:00:46,000 –> 01:00:50,200
targeted but also by journalists
and researchers and the theory

1125
01:00:50,200 –> 01:00:53,000
of the Mosaic effect is that
officers would run the risk of

1126
01:00:53,000 –> 01:00:55,500
becoming targets for violence by
those.

1127
01:00:55,500 –> 01:01:00,100
They spied and reported on and
also, and this is so rich.

1128
01:01:00,200 –> 01:01:05,300
Mmm, that identifying, the
officers in question would be an

1129
01:01:05,300 –> 01:01:11,000
unacceptable intrusion into the
private and family lives of the

1130
01:01:11,000 –> 01:01:13,200
officers.
Laura, I am choking.

1131
01:01:13,300 –> 01:01:16,800
On irony right now.
It’s Kylie.

1132
01:01:16,800 –> 01:01:20,000
I would love to be the person.
I would love, I would love to

1133
01:01:20,000 –> 01:01:23,600
meet the person who wrote that
report just to get a little

1134
01:01:23,600 –> 01:01:27,500
window into this. 66 sickle
mind, what a sick Pop.

1135
01:01:27,800 –> 01:01:32,400
Jesus fucking Christ.
That takes some gumption to be

1136
01:01:32,400 –> 01:01:35,600
like, no, we can’t tell you who
was spying on you, that would be

1137
01:01:35,600 –> 01:01:38,800
like, you’re spying on us.
That would be a road to their

1138
01:01:38,800 –> 01:01:41,900
family, is that you have any
standard.

1139
01:01:41,900 –> 01:01:48,100
So to have any Class.
Innocent people through this, to

1140
01:01:48,200 –> 01:01:50,600
further your political gains.
I’m sorry.

1141
01:01:50,600 –> 01:01:52,900
These men have been going out
and fucking other women and

1142
01:01:52,900 –> 01:01:54,900
making new families.
We don’t want to make their

1143
01:01:54,900 –> 01:01:57,800
families feel bad.
That’s the last thing we want to

1144
01:01:57,800 –> 01:02:01,100
do is make these families feel
bad, you know, the families of

1145
01:02:01,107 –> 01:02:03,500
the men that me going out and
having secret families.

1146
01:02:03,600 –> 01:02:07,500
We High, we would hate that we
would hate that Sheezus Christ.

1147
01:02:07,600 –> 01:02:09,900
Well, it’s an interesting thing
because when we think about what

1148
01:02:09,900 –> 01:02:14,000
the main issue is here, which is
again, consent, in the u.s. is

1149
01:02:14,000 –> 01:02:17,200
one of these countries.
The police can say that someone

1150
01:02:17,200 –> 01:02:21,000
under arrest consented to have
sex with them, we obviously know

1151
01:02:21,000 –> 01:02:24,400
that’s ridiculous but you can’t
consent to have sex with someone

1152
01:02:24,400 –> 01:02:27,900
who’s in prison.
Let’s say I would argue that if

1153
01:02:27,900 –> 01:02:30,800
you are lying about your
identity, the person who is

1154
01:02:30,800 –> 01:02:33,800
sleeping with, you cannot
consent to have sex with you

1155
01:02:33,900 –> 01:02:36,100
because they don’t know who the
fuck you are.

1156
01:02:36,400 –> 01:02:37,100
Yeah.
Right.

1157
01:02:37,300 –> 01:02:41,300
That’s seem so it is like being
raped by the state over years.

1158
01:02:41,400 –> 01:02:43,900
Oh yeah, definitely and it I
don’t know.

1159
01:02:44,200 –> 01:02:47,000
It’s a Say it is quite the
goddamn Scandal.

1160
01:02:47,000 –> 01:02:49,600
I’ll will link to a bunch of
articles about it.

1161
01:02:49,700 –> 01:02:52,800
The guardian in the UK has
covered.

1162
01:02:52,800 –> 01:02:57,900
This really well sometimes that
happens the Miami Herald if you

1163
01:02:57,900 –> 01:03:02,000
look into their reporting on
Jeffrey Epstein roof top notch

1164
01:03:02,000 –> 01:03:05,100
like they won awards for that
shit and the guardian should

1165
01:03:05,100 –> 01:03:08,800
probably have won some awards
for their reporting on this.

1166
01:03:09,000 –> 01:03:12,000
So we will link to a whole bunch
of Guardian articles and a whole

1167
01:03:12,000 –> 01:03:14,800
bunch of other articles and you
can read more about it.

1168
01:03:15,000 –> 01:03:17,700
And it’s just such a widespread
thing.

1169
01:03:17,700 –> 01:03:22,000
Like there’s, like seven women
that have come forward in that,

1170
01:03:22,000 –> 01:03:24,600
they know about that.
These relationships happened

1171
01:03:24,600 –> 01:03:26,500
with, but we know there’s 80
dead.

1172
01:03:26,500 –> 01:03:28,500
Kids, whose identities are out
there.

1173
01:03:28,600 –> 01:03:31,600
Which means there were at least
80 of these motherfuckers doing

1174
01:03:31,600 –> 01:03:34,900
this and they probably just
haven’t been found out yet.

1175
01:03:34,900 –> 01:03:37,500
Like, this is a huge Scandal
that the government is not going

1176
01:03:37,500 –> 01:03:40,400
to just own up to know.
We’ll never know the truth said

1177
01:03:40,400 –> 01:03:42,500
it, and it’s obviously I feel a
lot.

1178
01:03:42,500 –> 01:03:45,300
I feel like I’d be for the women
involved, but even People, if

1179
01:03:45,300 –> 01:03:48,100
you’re not directly fucking
someone, I mean there is a sense

1180
01:03:48,200 –> 01:03:51,800
if I was friends with a comedian
for years and then I found out

1181
01:03:51,800 –> 01:03:54,500
that they were a cop that would
fuck me up.

1182
01:03:54,700 –> 01:04:00,100
I guarantee there are cops doing
comedy in l.a. there’s

1183
01:04:00,100 –> 01:04:02,400
absolutely, no way that’s not
happening.

1184
01:04:02,400 –> 01:04:06,400
I mean, yeah, the, the moral bar
for comedy is, you know, you

1185
01:04:06,400 –> 01:04:10,100
know, Nazi scoff at it.
So then nothing would surprise

1186
01:04:10,100 –> 01:04:15,900
me, but, you know, but yeah, no,
I mean, so, just Oh, to be in

1187
01:04:15,900 –> 01:04:19,900
this person’s web of any kind is
to be damaged by them.

1188
01:04:20,100 –> 01:04:22,800
So there are so many victims
that we can’t even get into

1189
01:04:22,900 –> 01:04:27,100
beyond the beyond the obvious,
which is that these women were

1190
01:04:27,100 –> 01:04:29,100
basically raped and impregnated
by the state.

1191
01:04:29,200 –> 01:04:32,000
There’s no reason for those kids
to exist, big event that we made

1192
01:04:32,000 –> 01:04:35,500
people for no reason.
Yeah, they made people in the

1193
01:04:35,500 –> 01:04:40,800
name of stamping out the animal
Liberation Front like my God.

1194
01:04:41,000 –> 01:04:44,800
So I think that’s our episode
datings tough.

1195
01:04:44,900 –> 01:04:54,800
How are you guys JDate?
That’s the main theme of this

1196
01:04:54,800 –> 01:04:58,700
episode dating is rough.
I know this guy’s got herpes.

1197
01:04:58,700 –> 01:05:02,100
This guy’s a cop.
I just want someone to go to

1198
01:05:02,100 –> 01:05:04,200
this candle light vigil with me,
Jesus.

1199
01:05:06,500 –> 01:05:08,900
Do we have anything to plug
before we get out of here?

1200
01:05:09,100 –> 01:05:12,100
No, no.
You want to see something I

1201
01:05:12,100 –> 01:05:13,700
worked on professionally.
A show.

1202
01:05:13,700 –> 01:05:15,600
I worked on is on.
Dreaming.

1203
01:05:16,000 –> 01:05:17,500
Can I put some of that?
Yeah.

1204
01:05:17,500 –> 01:05:21,700
Why not gonna show called The
Unexplained hosted by William

1205
01:05:21,700 –> 01:05:23,400
Shatner?
You guys want to see some of my

1206
01:05:23,400 –> 01:05:26,100
sick?
Research torque, it’s finding

1207
01:05:26,100 –> 01:05:27,300
footage.
So, I don’t know.

1208
01:05:27,300 –> 01:05:29,600
Check out the show is not a bad
water, bad show.

1209
01:05:29,600 –> 01:05:33,100
It’s not rational.
I wouldn’t put it down by any

1210
01:05:33,100 –> 01:05:37,100
means.
You can follow this show on

1211
01:05:37,100 –> 01:05:40,500
Twitter at conspiracy pops.
I’m not really on Twitter

1212
01:05:40,500 –> 01:05:42,000
anymore.
So don’t follow me.

1213
01:05:42,100 –> 01:05:44,800
Thank God.
I mean you can follow me.

1214
01:05:44,900 –> 01:05:48,300
And like up that follower count,
but I just won’t talk to you or

1215
01:05:48,300 –> 01:05:51,400
interact with you or tweet
anything because Twitter is a

1216
01:05:51,408 –> 01:05:54,300
fucking nightmare, but follow
this show on Twitter at can

1217
01:05:54,300 –> 01:05:58,900
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1218
01:05:58,900 –> 01:06:02,600
patreon.com on pops.
You can go there and to either

1219
01:06:02,600 –> 01:06:05,300
of those places and subscribe
and get all sorts of bonus

1220
01:06:05,300 –> 01:06:10,400
content from the network.
And from this show, yeah, jerks.

1221
01:06:11,100 –> 01:06:14,800
Well I’m also on cash app and
venmo Florida.

1222
01:06:14,900 –> 01:06:18,000
Ashcroft 4-2.
Want to send me money or I can

1223
01:06:18,000 –> 01:06:20,200
tell you how to buy mushrooms
off the internet.

1224
01:06:20,600 –> 01:06:23,300
And now we’re getting
investigated by doctors hate

1225
01:06:23,300 –> 01:06:28,100
this Laura.
All right, let’s get the fuck

1226
01:06:28,100 –> 01:06:29,800
out of here.
Laura say goodbye.

1227
01:06:30,200 –> 01:06:32,400
Bye.
Goodbye everybody.

1228
01:06:32,400 –> 01:06:32,900
We love you.