Adam and Fizaa look into a bizarre 1987 incident that revealed the existence of a shady Washington DC-based cult and launched an investigation that reached the highest levels of government before it was inexplicably shut down.
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the transparent you
Hey everybody.
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Welcome to conspiracy the show.
I’m Adam Todd Brown.
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Who are you?
I’m visited Sonny.
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We are your goddamn host today.
Yes.
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This is this is a this is going
to be the start of something
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magical not magical is a weird
way to put it.
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Yeah.
I mean I think positive and and
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fruitful fruitful for sure.
We’re going to get A lot of
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podcast episodes out of this.
I think we might even do an
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entire like side podcast just
about one aspect of this.
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We might do that on pretty
scary, which is basically this
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the The Companion podcast to
conspiracy the show.
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So today’s episode is basically
a Pandora’s box it is this is a
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pangea unpopular opinion shows.
We are talking about the With
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our amalgamation.
Yes, it’s a portmanteau pod
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manto into the it’s a should get
lazy and just release it.
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Oh my God.
Yeah.
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This one’s meaty.
This is there is so much to
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this.
We’re talking about a group
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called The finders.
Yeah fell down a real rabbit
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hole yesterday researching this
this was my day and as you’ll
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learn listening to this podcast
makes for a very dark day.
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Yeah, it was not it was not an
upbeat experience if this sounds
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familiar, it’s because we
actually on 55 of this podcast
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back when we were just learning
to crawl.
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Yeah, just babies what episode
are we now like 96 not that long
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ago like halfway into this.
We did an episode about the
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claim that Julian Assange was
born into and raised in this
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weird, like mind control sex
cult called the family and it
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was on a general.
So does about CIA related Colts
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and we talked very briefly about
this 1987 incident that happened
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in Tallahassee Florida involving
this group called The finders
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and we just sort of scratch the
surface and I sort of put it out
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of my head and then the other
day the day before yesterday.
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I was researching a completely
different thing which will
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probably cover later and I find
this link to the Recent FBI
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document release.
Yeah for my favorite website
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Vault fbi.gov fucking cannot
recommend it enough.
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Yeah, the most requested
document on vault fbi.gov in the
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month of October and released in
October released in late
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October.
Okay and pride requested and
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then released that’s the thing.
No one is quite sure why this is
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getting released.
Right now and these documents
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were created in 1993.
Yes and much of 1993 and 1987.
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That’s I remember the the news
that news in Tallahassee.
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It’s so it was there was press
involvement initially in 87, but
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we recommend from 87 as well in
that FBI release of documents.
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A lot of it is the initial
police reports and
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investigations.
I’m 87 from 1987 and then that
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runs its course which we’ll get
to and then in 1993.
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There’s another investigation in
the names have been redacted the
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names in the FBI Files have been
redacted but some of the things
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they put in there like some of
the police reports.
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There’s a Metro a Washington
Metro PD police report that has
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since been released related to
this incident and I think That
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is less redacted because there’s
different like YouTube videos
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and shit surprised that you can
watch about this and a lot of
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them have screenshots of these
police reports and they’re not
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redacted.
Okay, so which is it sounds
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fascinating to me.
Yeah so much information is out
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there about this now and it
feels like it we were talking
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about MKUltra before this and
every bit of this has sort of an
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MK o Tripp field to it because
it’s a lot of stuff about mind
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control and sex Cults and
programming people to do your
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bidding.
Yeah, I think with what’s one
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way to program is creating
trauma, right?
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Yes and often, you know, I’ve
heard that it’s extra mama at a
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young age.
Childhood sex trauma is very
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impactful writers.
Yeah, and that’s when you get
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into the I guess Fringe
conspiracy theories about the
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CIA.
I don’t know how Fringe those
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theories are anymore, but that’s
that’s a lot of what you you
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read in here about like that’s a
lot of what like people still
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don’t want to wrap their heads
around it.
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But that’s a lot of what MKUltra
was like when you dig into it,
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it’s not just that they were
giving people LSD.
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Yeah, like there were
prostitutes involved and those
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prostitutes were Like involved
as subjects.
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Yeah and given LSD unknown, you
know unbeknownst to them the CIA
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and we like we know this this
isn’t speculation the CIA ran a
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brothel in San Francisco in the
1960s.
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How do you think those women
ended up working there?
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Like it’s not like they replied
to a Craigslist ad.
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Yeah, like they were selected
and groomed and it’s not.
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Yeah because it’s not like the
CIA can just pluck women off the
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streets and Be like all right
now fuck this rich guy for money
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and we might blackmail him over
it in the future.
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If we need to like you can’t
just do that.
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Like you need someone who’s a
little compliant like wonder
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what purpose is served it was it
to sort of store these women or
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have access to them.
Well, what was what were the
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what was the goal of this
brothel the brothel in San
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Francisco and there were
probably others but it was at a
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time when We’re doing a lot of
drugging people in observing.
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What would happen?
Yeah, and what’s crazy about
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that is we had you have all
kinds of people coming in as
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well in a brothel, right?
And you can have I mean if
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you’re employing these women who
knows, you know, who’s who’s the
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subject and who’s in on what’s
right?
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And what’s really alarming about
that is it’s one thing for the
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CIA to have run something like
This and I mean CIA people
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associated with the CIA.
You have to look into MKUltra
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and get all the names Sidney
Gottlieb.
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I think is a name that comes up
pretty regularly.
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But all these people that had
ties to us intelligence.
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There’s this brothel in the the
suggestion is oh, well, we were
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just getting people high and
sending women out to see what
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would happen.
But it’s like is that really all
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that was happening?
Like you’re us intelligence and
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one of the Rumors or suggestions
that has come out about the
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Jeffrey Epstein thing.
Is that what he was doing was?
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Yes throwing these sex parties,
but one of the like no one’s
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really sure how he made his
money.
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Yeah, and one of the suggestions
is he would bring people to
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these sex parties and there
would be drugs and alcohol
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involved and as someone got more
and more fucked up and more
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comfortable throughout the night
they died.
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Start sending younger and
younger women in and they
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videotape at all.
Yeah, and then the next morning
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that guy would wake up and
Jeffrey Epstein would be like,
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oh guess what blackmail you are
investing all your money with me
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now or this tape comes out.
So he’s in the business of
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blackmail.
But how how many times can he
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get away with that?
I guess his buddy of his Rich
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buddies gonna is like, oh, yeah,
I’m gonna get on that, you know,
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Jeffrey Epstein whatever they
call a leader plane, whatever
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he’s gonna be like, hey just
FYI, you might not want to do
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that.
Yeah, that’s what I mean.
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That’s always the question like,
I mean, I’m sure you know, like
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I think maybe he could have done
that but I don’t think I think
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he probably had multiple sources
of income.
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Maybe all is oh, yeah CD.
I don’t know.
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Yeah, that’s the thing that like
they know of one person that
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invested money with Jeffrey
Epstein.
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Yeah, like he had one official
client and beyond that.
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It’s really like there are and
how much of his wealth comes
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from that one?
Client do they know that amount?
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I don’t think that one client
has enough wealth for Jeffrey
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Epstein to own a private island
off of what he would make
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investing that dudes money.
There are there was a really I
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mean we’re kind of getting off
course, but not really because
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this is sort of the same thing
but there was a really
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interesting article that came
out not long after Jeffrey
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Epstein went back to prison
again where it was like money
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people like Financial analyst
Wall Street types who are all
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interviewed and asked to like
just sort of speculate on how he
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would have made his money.
That’s how unfamiliar his assets
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and finances are to everyone
like he’s like Trump in that
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way.
Like we still can’t get Trump’s
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tax returns.
Like we don’t really know like
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how much money Trump has why is
it so difficult to get these
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documents?
Well with Jeffrey Epstein the
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question is to paper truth.
The documents even exist.
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So in that way like at that
point that he was running a
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black male ring is as possible
as anything else.
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It’s part of the business when
it comes to how he made money
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and that’s kind of my thought.
When when I hear the CIA had a
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brothel in San Francisco in the
60s during MKUltra.
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It’s like is that all it was for
was so you could monitor people
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when they were on LSD like you
Ben MKUltra started in the 50s
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and by that point where like a
decade in and you’re still just
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going.
Oh, what’s this going to do?
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Like, you know what it does by
then?
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Yeah.
So what’s the point of it 10
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years later and it feels like
probably part of that because
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it’s not like it’s going to say
CIA brothel.
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Yeah outside and it’s not like
someone’s going to come to you
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and be like dude.
I know a great CIA place close
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to here if you want to go do a
bunch of drugs.
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Fuck a bunch of women.
No, it’s like you’re going to be
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some influential person who’s in
town in your Rich friend comes
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doing those want to do some
Illuminati shit.
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It’s go to the secret brothel.
No one knows about so the
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clientele is aware of where
they’re going to an extent.
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Like if you go to a strip club.
Yeah and it turns out that strip
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club is full of government
cameras that are going to use
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the footage on there to
Blackmail You by showing it to
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your spouse.
Are you just going to a strip
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club or are you going to a CIA
black?
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Site, yeah, like they knew where
they were going in that and this
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is all like speculation but no
one’s gonna no one’s gonna be
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like, yeah, I’ll go to the CIA
place.
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So I’ll let the government give
me drugs and yeah, watch me have
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sex with women.
That sounds amazing.
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Now you got to be tricked into
that.
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Yeah, and like it that is level
of deception.
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This was a way to have some
control over influential people
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money may be right and when
emeco what I was getting at with
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All of that is when MKUltra was
eventually shut down and exposed
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one.
It happened because of one
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incident which is the same thing
with the finders.
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Yeah, there was one box of
documents that got stored in the
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wrong place and didn’t get
shredded and it came out during
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the church Committee in the CIA
had to be like who you caught
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us.
We were doing all of that shit.
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Sorry, we’ve sent shut it down
and everyone was like All right.
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Sure you did but how do we not
like one put mud one box
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misplaced?
It sounds like you know, it
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sounds like a good Samaritan
kind of in it that very well
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could have been what it was like
just one, you know as depicted
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in the HBO series succession.
Yeah, I don’t know if anyone
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watches succession but there is
a scene where someone is tasked
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with shredding documents and
he’s like I keep a couple of
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these just in case yeah and that
you’re right that could have
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been exactly what it was.
Someone could have been like
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people might want to know about
this later.
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It’s interesting because the box
if you know is full of Juicy
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stuff juicy information.
So it’s just you know, so it
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could have been a box that
wasn’t you know, and that’s
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there.
There’s playing boxes would just
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paperwork for the sake of
paperwork.
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That’s the thing that box before
that box was found.
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The CIA was like, alright we
were doing it but it wasn’t it
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wasn’t massive you’re playing it
down, but then they couldn’t
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write it was completely exposed
and then that box This these
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like 20,000 documents comes out
and they’re like, yeah you were
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right.
It was massive because it turned
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out MKUltra happened at I think
it was a hundred and thirty
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different hospitals and
universities across the United
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States and Canada.
So that’s basically everywhere
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like it was happening to some
extent to people without their
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knowledge in a lot of cases all
over the fucking country and
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after it came out instead of
being like maybe we need an
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alternative to the CIA because
you have gotten a little out of
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control.
We were like, alright, we’ll
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stop stop that and go back to
being nice.
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Well, yeah, I mean and they were
likes of okay, it’s this is like
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it’s systemic ritual abuse of
the American population.
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I mean, it’s kind of like Nazi
shit.
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Yeah in the in terms of their
research practices.
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It’s in that even in some of
these finders documentaries that
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Thing comes up is that it seemed
like the goal of the finders was
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to produce a race of like
perfect super people.
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Yeah, and what’s interesting is
this all so when MKUltra gets
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shut down and all of that
experimenting on people who were
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unaware of it stops what starts
in the 80s the satanic panic and
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kids.
Just getting fucking Apt left
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and right like kids got
kidnapped forever.
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But I grew up in the 80s.
So I very vividly remember the
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80s being the era of kids
getting snatched off the fucking
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Street.
Yeah, because in most, you know,
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people weren’t concerned about
that until started happening so
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frequently like so people left
their doors unlocked at night.
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I used to all the time.
I would have been six.
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Seven maybe I used to walk to
this convenience store by my
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house like by my standards as a
kid.
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It was by my house.
Yeah, I would drive there as an
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adult.
That’s how fucking lazy I’ve
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become because it all actuality.
It was like eight blocks.
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Yeah, and I would walk that shit
by myself as a kid day and night
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my parents didn’t give a fuck.
No one cared.
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That’s when they started putting
like faces missing faces on the
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milk boxes, right the milk
cartons it was The Adam Walsh
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thing.
Okay, that really kicked that
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off and I think and you’re right
it that’s when faces on milk
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cartons.
I started wonder how much
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knowledge he has of this sort of
thing because if so many kids
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disappeared and they were being
smuggled into these programs.
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You know, I mean he is personal
for him and he would be he would
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be an interesting person to ask
about this because and we’re
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talking about John Walsh
obviously Adam Walsh.
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Add because he seems like
someone who’d be very like by
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the book in Law and Order and
wouldn’t entertain a wild Theory
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like this, but that all flies
out the window when your kid
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goes missing and they only find
his head like because that’s
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what happened with Adam Walsh.
They never found his body.
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They just found his how young
was his son.
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He was eight like seven or eight
and I was like seven or eight at
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the time.
My name was Adam still is this
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fella, I remember that shit
vividly.
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We in like from then on like
stories of kids going missing.
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It was like 10,000 kids go
missing every fucking day and
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it’s like everyday probably not
but like that’s what the
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statistics felt like back then.
Yeah.
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I mean, I remember in the early
90s as well.
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That’s when I started retaining
memories like it’s yeah, it did
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seem like that was something to
fear like someone getting kitna,
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you know getting snatched up.
Yeah.
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Don’t talk to strangers.
Don’t take candy from strangers.
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Rangers was that a moniker.
Don’t take candy from strangers
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in the 70s or the 60s.
Yeah, I don’t think so.
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I don’t think I feel like
stranger danger and all that
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wasn’t as big of a deal back
then like I don’t like I was
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born in 76.
So like I remember the mid to
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late 80s pretty well.
But yeah, I just remember I
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remember kidnappings and I
remember the satanic Panic.
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Yeah, and that’s what a lot of
those child.
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Disappearances you would see it
attributed to that like are in
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the Press.
Yeah, like there were all of
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these like daycare operators who
went to prison there’s a great
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documentary about it the same
group that pushes shaken baby
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syndrome, which if you look into
shaken baby syndrome mostly a
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myth because well think about
like everyone has seen those
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demonstrations of a baby being
shaken.
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Yeah and you That head flopping
back and forth.
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That is a baby their neck would
snap and if there is a diagnosis
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of shaken baby syndrome and
there’s no neck injuries.
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It’s not shaken baby syndrome.
You cannot inflict those
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injuries through shaking without
breaking the neck first without
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injuring the know it’s a false.
It’s a cover-up and what
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happened is the same group that
pushed the satanic panic in the
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80s got behind.
And the idea of shaken baby
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syndrome and even the the Doctor
Who first suggested shaken baby
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syndrome could be a thing was
like, yes, but only if there’s
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neck injuries present if there’s
no neck injuries, that’s not
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shaken baby syndrome.
It’s something else.
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Yeah, you’d have to put a lot of
effort into shaking the baby
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very differently right to not
break like just shake the baby
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but keep the neck secure and and
that probably could cause some
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damage as well.
But yeah and that group took
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what he said and Were like okay
everything except the neck thing
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let’s go and they got this law
put in place where if a doctor
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sees these three symptoms, they
immediately have to notify
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authorities because those three
symptoms can only be caused by
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shaken baby syndrome.
And that’s a lie.
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Those symptoms can be caused by
vitamin D deficiency.
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They can be caused by a fall.
They can be caused by something
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like 26 different conditions,
but the same group that
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convinced.
Everyone in the 80s that daycare
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operators were out here
committing ritual satanic abuse.
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Once that got exposed as not
being the case they moved on to.
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Okay.
Well now shaken baby syndrome is
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the problem and all these
parents all across the country
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are shaking their fucking kids
and killing them and if you look
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into all these parents who are
in prison for it, no neck
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injuries that like the the guy
who’s looked into it.
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The most has not found a single
case of neck injury.
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Is being present where these
parents went to prison?
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So is it a framing of the
parents of if they you know,
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they fucked up and killed the
kid?
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Yeah, and it and whatever
experimenter.
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The only thing I can’t well, the
only thing I can think of in
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terms of that is like it’s got a
sort of be a private prison
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thing.
Yeah, like maybe a way to keep
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people who wouldn’t normally go
to prison.
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Keep them part of the prison
population.
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I have no idea why by the people
behind the satanic Panic moved
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on to shaken baby syndrome, but
the thing about the finders and
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what makes all of that really
confusing for me is we all know
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the satanic Panic happened
almost every parent or a daycare
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operator who was convicted under
that was subsequently acquitted
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and released.
I think one person might still
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be in prison and even they
probably shouldn’t be so the the
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inclination is to Go.
Okay.
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Yeah.
Well, that’s all bullshit.
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There was no ritualistic abuse
of children by any group in the
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80s.
And then this fucking finder
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sing happens in 1987 in
Tallahassee and it’s like okay,
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but maybe it was happening a
little and we shouldn’t have
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been so quick to write it off.
Yeah, and it what’s really
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uncomfortable about the Finders.
As and going down this Rabbit
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Hole.
I’m sure you probably
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experienced this too.
Very Pizza gate esque.
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Yeah.
Yeah, that’s I immediately
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thought of that because Pizza
gate is it sounds insane?
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Yeah that a sex trafficking ring
would be operated by Elite
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educated types working out of
Washington DC and doing it
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through a local pizza place.
I was wondering Why do you like
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successful?
Rich men love fucking kid so
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much for so many of them.
It just seems like a disparate.
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I don’t know.
It’s yeah, it’s got like maybe I
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don’t know.
It’s there.
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There’s a fringe within that
group.
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I don’t know just seems like a
disproportionate percentage.
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I don’t know it am I wrong?
No it does.
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I mean, I guess I don’t know.
I feel like saying yeah rich
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rich dudes are gonna molest you
like I don’t want to put that
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out there because I feel like
you should just be on guard.
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Guard in general around adults
if you’re a child like and maybe
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it’s just because the satanic
panic and aliens abducting all
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the kids in the 80s, which is
another theory that’s out there
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about it.
I don’t know like I feel like
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you have to want to fuck kids to
be able to answer that question
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you or be just you know, a
ruthless pragmatist who sees ya
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opportunity and but that’s the
thing is what’s the P.
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Imagine hat like just wide?
Government have a hand in sex
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trafficking.
Well, it’s weird.
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One of the if you get deep
enough into the this finders
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investigation at one point, it’s
suggested that the CIA didn’t
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mean for this to turn into a sex
cult.
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It just kind of turned into a
satanic sex cult and they were
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like, oh fuck like we were just
trying to be like you gotta CIA.
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I don’t know what they do to
people but they need a sitcom.
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Yeah.
I think they were people.
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Come out of there just fucked
up.
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And then the CIA has to clean up
their mess and like they create
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these quote-unquote monsters.
Yeah, and then it’s like, you
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know, like I mean look at you
know the war on terrorism and
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all that shit, you know who puts
people in power.
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Yeah.
It’s the reason I bring up
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MKUltra one because I do sort of
with how prevalent Cults were in
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the 80s is like regardless of
the satanic thing whether they
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were influenced by Satan or not.
Just Sheer number of Cults that
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became a big big deal in the 80s
including Scientology, which if
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people are unfamiliar the
founder of Scientology L.
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Ron Hubbard was in the Navy
before he started Scientology
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all of these Cults that spring
up in the 80s after looking
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through all this finders shit.
It just sort of makes me wonder
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if when MKUltra shut down if the
CIA was like, okay no more
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universities and hospitals.
Let’s create communes way to get
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off the grid.
Yeah, and maybe using you know,
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former military to write be a
point where you know it or as a
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pond even dapat don’t know how
in they mean to.
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Yeah, the leader of a communist.
I feel like there has to be some
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sort of delusion.
Well, one of the weirdest and
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people try to write this off all
the time, we did an episode
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about it, but we just scratched
the surface because there is a I
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think 28 part magazine.
Article that I think was
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eventually turned into a book
about how every single
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influential member of that
Laurel Canyon music scene in the
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60s like Neil Young the doors
the birds fucking David Crosby
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all of those motherfuckers our
military children, all of them
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that entire fucking scene is in
you can make the argument.
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Well World War II happens.
So a lot of people I’ll like
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join the military or went to the
military and then like Vietnam
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started and so of court, but all
of them like all of them every
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single fucking one.
Yeah all military kids just buy
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a fucking chance show up at
Laurel Canyon at Frank Zappa’s
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house at the same time and start
the counterculture movement and
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we’re supposed to be like, yeah,
there’s no government
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involvement there.
Like, of course, there’s some
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any she raise a brow.
Yeah, of course jellies, at
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least one, you know, and when
you look into all of these
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different Cults in communes that
popped up in the 80s a lot of
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them popped up off of American
soil or moved to a off American
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soil and the CIA isn’t supposed
to operate on American soil.
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And if you dig into the details
of these individual groups a lot
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of times you fucking end up at
the CIA you end up having In
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questions about where they get
their money and why they were
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allowed to go the places they
went which is the thing you see
431
00:27:42,300 –> 00:27:44,200
here because you know, they’re
on the radar.
432
00:27:44,300 –> 00:27:48,400
Of course absolutely the radar
so it’s you know, who knows, you
433
00:27:48,400 –> 00:27:52,500
know, you might make a deal like
if this network just set up a
434
00:27:52,500 –> 00:27:55,300
fucking calm.
Eun-ah and Idaho we get it.
435
00:27:55,300 –> 00:27:57,000
Someone would come infiltrate
us.
436
00:27:57,200 –> 00:28:00,100
Like if I was like I’m taking
these fucking messages about
437
00:28:00,100 –> 00:28:02,400
Trump to a Goddamn Mountaintop
in Idaho.
438
00:28:02,500 –> 00:28:06,600
Yeah, it would be Ruby Ridge
part 2 like I would I would I
439
00:28:06,600 –> 00:28:09,400
would get shot.
Probably the government does not
440
00:28:09,400 –> 00:28:12,400
take kindly to that.
Yeah, so of course all these
441
00:28:12,400 –> 00:28:14,400
groups on the government’s
radar.
442
00:28:14,400 –> 00:28:19,300
Yeah, and and and in the good
graces, yeah, it seems that way
443
00:28:19,300 –> 00:28:25,300
and it feels like the finders
could be that box of documents
444
00:28:25,600 –> 00:28:31,300
moment for the second half of
MKUltra today or this month
445
00:28:31,300 –> 00:28:35,600
right where we know MKUltra
shutdown in theory.
446
00:28:35,600 –> 00:28:38,100
Yeah and They are like yeah, but
they’re probably still doing it.
447
00:28:38,100 –> 00:28:40,500
Somehow.
I feel like these documents
448
00:28:40,700 –> 00:28:45,300
could be the thing that if it’s
honestly investigated and looked
449
00:28:45,300 –> 00:28:49,800
into enough we might find out
MKUltra continued and it
450
00:28:49,800 –> 00:28:52,400
continued as communes and Cults.
Yeah.
451
00:28:52,400 –> 00:28:55,000
I mean it is V which is The
Logical way to continue it.
452
00:28:55,100 –> 00:29:00,300
Yeah Off the Grid no paper
trail, and you can like if
453
00:29:00,300 –> 00:29:03,100
you’re the entity that’s
supposed to be responsible for
454
00:29:03,500 –> 00:29:06,200
for observing and controlling
these groups.
455
00:29:06,400 –> 00:29:08,800
Then you have the power there,
right?
456
00:29:08,800 –> 00:29:12,300
So let’s talk about this
Tallahassee incident the and
457
00:29:12,300 –> 00:29:16,600
that’s where it it’s odd.
It’s very odd for it was five
458
00:29:16,600 –> 00:29:18,400
kids.
I think it was six.
459
00:29:18,400 –> 00:29:22,900
It was either five or six six
kids discovered in dirty clothes
460
00:29:22,900 –> 00:29:24,900
with two men in suits.
Yeah.
461
00:29:25,000 –> 00:29:27,800
That’s just an odd visual.
Yeah Bell that alone.
462
00:29:27,800 –> 00:29:30,100
I’m already out.
It’s like get a fucking woman in
463
00:29:30,100 –> 00:29:32,600
that van, please like this is a
nightmare.
464
00:29:32,700 –> 00:29:36,100
Well, just like you two guys put
together and five kids.
465
00:29:36,300 –> 00:29:41,100
Who have not lived in society?
They look like Street children.
466
00:29:41,100 –> 00:29:43,700
Yeah, and these dudes are well
dressed.
467
00:29:43,700 –> 00:29:46,600
Well put-together wearing suits
they’re traveling in a van.
468
00:29:46,800 –> 00:29:52,100
So what happens February 4th
1987 Douglas ammerman 27 and
469
00:29:52,100 –> 00:29:56,600
James Michael Howell, sometimes
called Michael Houlihan 28 are
470
00:29:56,600 –> 00:30:01,600
pulled over in a van in
Tallahassee after a woman calls
471
00:30:01,600 –> 00:30:06,500
the police and says these two
well-dressed men were Just at
472
00:30:06,500 –> 00:30:11,900
the park with these two kids
that she described as scruffy
473
00:30:11,900 –> 00:30:15,500
and hungry.
So the kid looks hungry.
474
00:30:15,500 –> 00:30:17,700
Yeah, you know what I’m saying
for kid is hungry.
475
00:30:17,700 –> 00:30:19,800
Yeah, like okay.
There’s there’s that kid needs
476
00:30:19,800 –> 00:30:22,100
to be attended to but they’re
looking hungry.
477
00:30:22,200 –> 00:30:23,900
Yeah.
It’s a site like what the
478
00:30:23,900 –> 00:30:27,500
fucking Sarah McLachlan dog
commercial when you see a dog,
479
00:30:27,500 –> 00:30:29,500
that’s all skin and bones.
You’re like get that good boy
480
00:30:29,500 –> 00:30:31,300
some food.
Yeah, you sure it’s the same
481
00:30:31,300 –> 00:30:34,800
with kids when I adopt them.
Yeah exactly like in the send a
482
00:30:34,800 –> 00:30:37,900
dollar a month type of way.
And these were like, these are
483
00:30:37,900 –> 00:30:42,900
like feral kids like most of
them according to police
484
00:30:42,900 –> 00:30:47,700
reports, like didn’t recognize
modern things like telephones
485
00:30:47,700 –> 00:30:52,000
and typewriters and like I think
they say I read in one of the
486
00:30:52,000 –> 00:30:54,700
articles that only one of the
kid was a one of the children
487
00:30:54,700 –> 00:30:56,200
was able to give information to
them.
488
00:30:56,200 –> 00:31:00,200
Yes, they were mostly
non-communicative except for the
489
00:31:00,200 –> 00:31:06,100
oldest girl who is identified as
Mary and all of the kids are
490
00:31:06,500 –> 00:31:11,900
Identified only by their first
names John Franklin Max.
491
00:31:12,100 –> 00:31:16,100
Mary.
Bee bee and honey bee again,
492
00:31:16,200 –> 00:31:18,500
honey.
Bee get those kids to the police
493
00:31:18,500 –> 00:31:20,100
right now.
You’re just setting her up for
494
00:31:20,100 –> 00:31:21,300
Success.
Right?
495
00:31:21,600 –> 00:31:24,600
And when they asked these two
dudes what they’re doing with
496
00:31:24,600 –> 00:31:29,300
these kids their response is
we’re transporting them to
497
00:31:29,300 –> 00:31:32,600
Mexico so we can establish a
school for brilliant children.
498
00:31:32,700 –> 00:31:36,800
I mean and I mean flattering for
those kids, I’m sure Sure, it’s
499
00:31:36,800 –> 00:31:39,700
just like we don’t want to give
them a bath or is yeah, you want
500
00:31:39,700 –> 00:31:41,700
to fly.
You don’t want to like be flying
501
00:31:41,700 –> 00:31:44,300
there.
Yeah, like feed them do any time
502
00:31:44,300 –> 00:31:45,600
in the back of the ver so
brilliant.
503
00:31:45,600 –> 00:31:47,100
Just throw him in the back of a
van.
504
00:31:47,100 –> 00:31:48,900
Like there’s not showing any
value.
505
00:31:49,100 –> 00:31:52,400
They also told police that the
kids were being weaned from
506
00:31:52,400 –> 00:31:53,400
their mothers.
Okay?
507
00:31:53,400 –> 00:31:56,100
That’s I mean, come on.
Yeah, that’s a problem.
508
00:31:56,200 –> 00:31:59,000
That’s a red flag.
That’s a huge red flag and they
509
00:31:59,000 –> 00:32:02,700
claim the parents were in
Washington DC which that Parts
510
00:32:02,700 –> 00:32:04,900
important.
So the police are like, all
511
00:32:04,900 –> 00:32:06,100
right, we should probably just
arrest.
512
00:32:06,600 –> 00:32:09,900
Like yeah, this feels like a
really big problem.
513
00:32:09,900 –> 00:32:15,000
And this was a local Tallahassee
Police, Tallahassee PD and when
514
00:32:15,000 –> 00:32:18,600
they say that they’re going to
arrest these men Michael
515
00:32:18,600 –> 00:32:23,200
Houlihan Falls face down on the
ground and refuses to stand up
516
00:32:23,300 –> 00:32:26,000
but they arrest him anyway as
you do I don’t know if he
517
00:32:26,000 –> 00:32:27,700
thought playing dead was going
to work.
518
00:32:27,800 –> 00:32:31,600
Oh he okay like he’s just like
an aneurysm or yeah, like he
519
00:32:31,600 –> 00:32:35,200
fainted or something.
Yeah, Jesus and the police
520
00:32:35,200 –> 00:32:38,700
searched his van.
An and they find a stash of fake
521
00:32:38,700 –> 00:32:45,100
IDs more than 20 floppy disks
80s are 80 computer a Chinese to
522
00:32:45,100 –> 00:32:49,200
English translation dictionary
and a device used to connect two
523
00:32:49,200 –> 00:32:53,100
computers via a phone line,
which we know now is a modem.
524
00:32:53,100 –> 00:32:58,100
Yeah, but police in 87, it’s
like fucking ancient Egypt seen
525
00:32:58,200 –> 00:33:01,500
spaceships and they like look
the Flaming bird you just did.
526
00:33:01,500 –> 00:33:04,400
I mean, they described it pretty
accurately and I mean, they
527
00:33:04,400 –> 00:33:09,100
nailed it in 1987.
Terms, so the police were
528
00:33:09,100 –> 00:33:15,100
initially unable to locate the
parents another huge problem.
529
00:33:15,300 –> 00:33:16,400
Yeah.
I mean like what do you think of
530
00:33:16,400 –> 00:33:20,300
kids under the age of six?
It’s just like it’s I just
531
00:33:20,300 –> 00:33:24,000
remember being upset when my
parents left at that age, right,
532
00:33:24,000 –> 00:33:26,500
you know, like it’s just I think
there’s something in development
533
00:33:26,500 –> 00:33:29,800
where like that time that
bonding with apparently gets its
534
00:33:29,800 –> 00:33:33,500
a little traumatizing to just
like not have your parents
535
00:33:33,500 –> 00:33:35,900
around like that.
Well, maybe it would have been
536
00:33:35,900 –> 00:33:37,500
less.
It’s traumatizing if you were
537
00:33:37,500 –> 00:33:39,500
weaned off your mother at a
younger age.
538
00:33:39,500 –> 00:33:42,300
Yeah, if you’d been thrown in a
van, I guess I just wasn’t
539
00:33:42,300 –> 00:33:45,000
considered brilliant enough to
be taken to Mexico cares if I
540
00:33:45,000 –> 00:33:48,700
was starting a school in Mexico
for just brilliant people now,
541
00:33:48,700 –> 00:33:52,800
it’s never too late.
I I would use you to found it.
542
00:33:52,800 –> 00:33:57,400
Well, I can’t I can’t be in it.
That’s right past my Prime
543
00:33:57,400 –> 00:34:00,900
exactly how I want to say it.
I would use you to found it.
544
00:34:01,300 –> 00:34:05,100
I can’t be okay.
I’m not as in influenceable or
545
00:34:05,200 –> 00:34:08,300
what is it called when you It’s
take drugs and people’s nothing
546
00:34:08,300 –> 00:34:12,000
LS program ux can’t program me.
I don’t know where we’d find
547
00:34:12,000 –> 00:34:13,900
drugs in Los Angeles as the
problem.
548
00:34:13,900 –> 00:34:19,400
I know it was a tough one.
So yeah, all of these kids one
549
00:34:19,400 –> 00:34:24,600
important detail about this very
important detail is the police
550
00:34:24,600 –> 00:34:29,199
initially said two of the
children showed signs of sexual
551
00:34:29,199 –> 00:34:33,500
abuse and I’ll link to a
documentary.
552
00:34:33,500 –> 00:34:36,100
It’s not really a documentary.
It’s a like a 20-minute.
553
00:34:36,199 –> 00:34:40,400
YouTube video that kind of lays
out the timeline of this and
554
00:34:40,400 –> 00:34:42,699
when you just hear the police
say, oh there were signs of
555
00:34:42,707 –> 00:34:46,500
sexual abuse, it’s hard to wrap
your head around what that means
556
00:34:46,900 –> 00:34:50,800
and it is horrific and I don’t
want to fucking say what it
557
00:34:50,800 –> 00:34:53,400
means but they didn’t just
glance at these kids and go a
558
00:34:53,400 –> 00:34:56,800
that kids been touched.
Yeah, like a doctor examined
559
00:34:56,800 –> 00:35:00,500
these kids and found signs of
sexual abuse.
560
00:35:01,400 –> 00:35:03,800
So at this point, it’s a
problem.
561
00:35:03,900 –> 00:35:08,000
Yeah, and they still can’t find
The parents all of the kids are
562
00:35:08,000 –> 00:35:11,700
uncommunicative.
They’re covered in bug bites,
563
00:35:11,800 –> 00:35:13,900
which is strange.
Yeah, they would ask to go
564
00:35:13,900 –> 00:35:17,200
outside when they wanted to use
the bathroom one of them
565
00:35:17,200 –> 00:35:20,300
defecated on the floor of the
police station, which that’s
566
00:35:20,300 –> 00:35:22,300
kind of dumb.
Yeah.
567
00:35:22,300 –> 00:35:24,300
I’d maybe do that right now
given the chance.
568
00:35:24,300 –> 00:35:25,800
Yeah.
He’s starting a movement.
569
00:35:25,800 –> 00:35:29,700
Yeah.
She they the girl who was able
570
00:35:29,700 –> 00:35:34,900
to talk said that they had been
living in a house with several
571
00:35:34,900 –> 00:35:38,700
other children and Adults, they
were only allowed to eat when it
572
00:35:38,700 –> 00:35:41,700
was a reward for good behavior.
And even then they were only
573
00:35:41,700 –> 00:35:45,700
given raw fruits and vegetables.
She said a man called The Game
574
00:35:45,700 –> 00:35:49,800
caller was their leader and he
told both the adults and
575
00:35:49,800 –> 00:35:52,700
children what to do when asked
about sexual abuse.
576
00:35:52,700 –> 00:35:56,400
She denied anything of the like
had happened but also got very
577
00:35:56,400 –> 00:36:00,800
uncomfortable and asked to end
the interview at that point and
578
00:36:00,800 –> 00:36:04,400
the next day police confirm that
all of these people the adults
579
00:36:04,400 –> 00:36:06,100
and the children are part of
this group.
580
00:36:06,200 –> 00:36:10,200
Called the finders.
So that’s the Tallahassee
581
00:36:10,400 –> 00:36:16,100
portion of what happens and as
crazy as all of that is it gets
582
00:36:16,200 –> 00:36:19,600
significantly crazier?
Yeah, like the investigations
583
00:36:19,600 –> 00:36:27,000
into this are nuts and the FBI
documents the thing about FBI
584
00:36:27,000 –> 00:36:31,300
dumps and things like that.
If you just pull them up, this
585
00:36:31,300 –> 00:36:34,700
isn’t really the case with the
Mueller report, which I bring up
586
00:36:34,700 –> 00:36:38,900
just because I hate When like
people running for president are
587
00:36:38,900 –> 00:36:41,500
like I’ve read the Mueller
report.
588
00:36:41,500 –> 00:36:43,600
Yeah, like bitch.
It’s a book you can buy in
589
00:36:43,600 –> 00:36:46,000
stores.
Yeah, you should have read the
590
00:36:46,000 –> 00:36:49,300
Mueller report the day it came
out you’re running for
591
00:36:49,300 –> 00:36:50,800
president.
Thanks for doing your job.
592
00:36:50,800 –> 00:36:52,100
Yeah.
I’m supposed to be impressed
593
00:36:52,100 –> 00:36:54,200
that you write a 400-page book
this year.
594
00:36:54,200 –> 00:36:56,200
I mean, like whoo, it’s all
relative.
595
00:36:56,200 –> 00:37:01,200
Now look the standards of yeah,
so so reading right a president
596
00:37:01,200 –> 00:37:08,000
who reads but so I get it when
if Link to the FBI documents on
597
00:37:08,000 –> 00:37:09,900
the website you click on it
first.
598
00:37:09,900 –> 00:37:11,000
It’s pretty imposing.
Yeah.
599
00:37:11,000 –> 00:37:14,000
It’s like 300 some pages.
I think maybe only a hundred.
600
00:37:14,000 –> 00:37:16,900
Yeah, but what you have to
understand about that there’s a
601
00:37:16,908 –> 00:37:21,100
lot of cover letters.
There’s a lot of the same report
602
00:37:21,100 –> 00:37:23,800
filed multiple times so you
don’t have to read it and it’s
603
00:37:23,800 –> 00:37:28,000
on a full page each time.
Yeah, it’s not it really doesn’t
604
00:37:28,000 –> 00:37:30,500
faster than you would expect.
I got through all of it
605
00:37:30,500 –> 00:37:34,500
yesterday in a couple hours.
Yeah, and that’s reading it
606
00:37:34,500 –> 00:37:37,200
thoroughly like you can also
just Sort of scan it I mean,
607
00:37:37,200 –> 00:37:41,300
yeah, I just I went through the
first 10 pages pretty thoroughly
608
00:37:41,400 –> 00:37:46,400
in a few minutes and the details
in there are insane.
609
00:37:46,600 –> 00:37:50,500
So but back to I don’t even know
why I brought that up but uh
610
00:37:50,900 –> 00:37:55,600
back to the this investigation
like like we know all of this
611
00:37:55,600 –> 00:38:01,200
stuff about the finders like
this one Tallahassee incident if
612
00:38:01,200 –> 00:38:05,400
this doesn’t happen, I don’t
think we would probably know
613
00:38:05,700 –> 00:38:07,800
anything.
About this group, they slipped
614
00:38:07,800 –> 00:38:12,300
up, right that was a major slip
on their end and you know, it’s
615
00:38:12,300 –> 00:38:16,500
a slip-up because of the things
that happen next.
616
00:38:16,500 –> 00:38:20,700
Yeah, but the first thing that
happens is Tallahassee notifies,
617
00:38:20,900 –> 00:38:25,400
Washington DC because they after
looking into the finders realize
618
00:38:25,400 –> 00:38:27,700
they’re located in Washington
DC.
619
00:38:28,000 –> 00:38:31,800
So they call DC Metro and
Washington DC is like, yep.
620
00:38:31,800 –> 00:38:35,200
We know all about them a
confidential informant actually
621
00:38:35,500 –> 00:38:37,400
came to us.
Us a few weeks ago and was like,
622
00:38:37,400 –> 00:38:41,400
hey, I think there’s a sex cult
operating in the DC area might
623
00:38:41,400 –> 00:38:44,100
be buying and selling kids if
you want to look into that and
624
00:38:44,100 –> 00:38:47,100
they were like, maybe they
became aware of pretty recently,
625
00:38:47,300 –> 00:38:49,000
right?
They had also just sort of
626
00:38:49,000 –> 00:38:53,000
become aware of this group and
which is crazy because this
627
00:38:53,000 –> 00:38:57,300
group was born out of the human
potential movement which started
628
00:38:57,300 –> 00:39:02,700
in the 70s, so they’d been in
existence and probably in the DC
629
00:39:02,700 –> 00:39:04,900
area for a while.
What’s the name of the leader
630
00:39:04,900 –> 00:39:08,000
something Petty?
Morgan Petty do we know his
631
00:39:08,000 –> 00:39:10,800
history?
That’s what future episodes of
632
00:39:10,808 –> 00:39:15,200
this are going to be about he is
again like the Laurel Canyon
633
00:39:15,200 –> 00:39:17,500
thing.
It’s just a coincidence.
634
00:39:17,500 –> 00:39:21,300
Obviously, they’re all of those
famous rock stars our military
635
00:39:21,300 –> 00:39:26,700
children with Morgan Petty.
We’re supposed to take his word
636
00:39:26,800 –> 00:39:31,300
that the fact that his wife
worked for the CIA and his son
637
00:39:31,300 –> 00:39:34,700
worked for air America, which
was a famous CIA airline that
638
00:39:34,700 –> 00:39:38,000
basically ran drugs.
We’re supposed to take that as
639
00:39:38,000 –> 00:39:42,300
just coincidence and that this
group has nothing to do with the
640
00:39:42,300 –> 00:39:44,900
CIA at all.
Like there are interviews with
641
00:39:44,900 –> 00:39:47,500
him.
I found some fascinating shit
642
00:39:47,500 –> 00:39:50,900
about this guy and we’ll get
into it because that’s the
643
00:39:50,900 –> 00:39:53,000
thing.
He doesn’t even come up much in
644
00:39:53,000 –> 00:39:57,400
these early investigations
because as we’ll find out the
645
00:39:57,400 –> 00:40:02,000
investigation gets shut down so
quickly and it’s like that’s
646
00:40:02,000 –> 00:40:05,700
telling why is that guy who
started a cult and is also
647
00:40:05,700 –> 00:40:09,400
married To someone in the CIA.
Hey, why did you invest these
648
00:40:09,400 –> 00:40:12,600
people are carrying Vans of
sexually abuse children Vans a
649
00:40:12,607 –> 00:40:16,900
sexually abuse children and one
of the things that comes out
650
00:40:16,900 –> 00:40:20,900
like after Washington DC hears
from Tallahassee.
651
00:40:21,000 –> 00:40:25,000
They conduct these raids on
three different properties owned
652
00:40:25,000 –> 00:40:27,700
by the finders.
There’s a farm and then there’s
653
00:40:27,700 –> 00:40:32,100
a warehouse and then there’s a
Triplex that they own in
654
00:40:32,100 –> 00:40:35,500
Washington DC are these in close
proximity of each other?
655
00:40:35,500 –> 00:40:38,800
They’re in the Same well,
they’re all in DC and DC is not
656
00:40:38,800 –> 00:40:41,200
huge.
Yeah, but the farm I think was
657
00:40:41,200 –> 00:40:43,700
in Virginia.
Which which is pretty much do
658
00:40:43,700 –> 00:40:45,400
you see that’s still Washington
DC.
659
00:40:45,500 –> 00:40:48,400
So the all these different
government agencies get involved
660
00:40:48,400 –> 00:40:51,400
because now there’s the
potential that kids are getting
661
00:40:51,400 –> 00:40:55,600
like taken from overseas or
taken overseas and like these
662
00:40:55,600 –> 00:40:58,500
crimes might cross federal and
state lines.
663
00:40:58,600 –> 00:41:03,900
So Custom Service gets involved.
The FBI gets involved in the CIA
664
00:41:03,900 –> 00:41:08,600
gets involved to some extent.
They’re involved the least in
665
00:41:08,600 –> 00:41:12,000
the actual investigation.
No reason Anna.
666
00:41:12,200 –> 00:41:14,400
I mean you think it’s someone
would want to send someone to do
667
00:41:14,400 –> 00:41:17,900
damage control.
Yeah, and they sort of do like
668
00:41:17,900 –> 00:41:20,500
that’s one of the they have to
be subtle about it.
669
00:41:20,500 –> 00:41:22,900
That’s that’s one of the
suggestions here.
670
00:41:22,900 –> 00:41:26,400
Is that at one point someone
goes look, this is Cia matter
671
00:41:26,400 –> 00:41:31,600
pal, you need to back off and
people backed off like do we
672
00:41:31,600 –> 00:41:35,900
remember any huge arrests of a
global sex trafficking ring?
673
00:41:36,000 –> 00:41:39,600
In the 80s, I don’t so they
launched these three
674
00:41:39,600 –> 00:41:45,100
simultaneous raids and they
remove from a warehouse that was
675
00:41:45,100 –> 00:41:48,000
near one of the properties.
They remove multiple bags of
676
00:41:48,000 –> 00:41:50,800
photographs computer records and
documents.
677
00:41:51,100 –> 00:41:53,400
The photos are especially
questionable.
678
00:41:53,600 –> 00:41:57,700
Here is a quote from US Customs
spokesman David Hoover speaking
679
00:41:57,700 –> 00:42:01,000
to the Washington Post in 1987.
We’re not saying that it’s
680
00:42:01,000 –> 00:42:05,700
pornographic but it has all the
earmarks and so he’s like, we’re
681
00:42:05,700 –> 00:42:10,300
not Painting but it is yeah and
another Customs inspector who
682
00:42:10,300 –> 00:42:14,100
did a what turns out to be a
really important report that I
683
00:42:14,100 –> 00:42:19,700
think was just released as part
of this FBI dump of yeah files.
684
00:42:19,900 –> 00:42:23,300
The implication is that there
naked like their pictures of
685
00:42:23,300 –> 00:42:27,200
naked children and I mean all
the earmarks.
686
00:42:27,300 –> 00:42:29,500
Yeah, like that’s an earmark.
Yeah.
687
00:42:29,500 –> 00:42:31,400
That’s all that’s all I really
need.
688
00:42:31,500 –> 00:42:35,500
Yeah, like if you have multiple
pictures of even your own kids
689
00:42:35,500 –> 00:42:37,300
make it.
Money, yeah one’s plenty.
690
00:42:37,300 –> 00:42:40,500
Yeah one’s a goof.
Yeah, you’ve caught your kid in
691
00:42:40,500 –> 00:42:44,000
the bath also still don’t even
put that on Facebook.
692
00:42:44,000 –> 00:42:46,800
What are you doing?
But I mean, yeah, I mean like
693
00:42:46,800 –> 00:42:50,100
it’s like but if you have like
Stacks, yeah and they’re all
694
00:42:50,100 –> 00:42:51,900
different kids.
It’s like well here there’s a
695
00:42:51,908 –> 00:42:53,800
little collection going on.
Yeah, what’s up?
696
00:42:53,800 –> 00:42:59,000
Yeah, you have you have some
explaining to do explaining and
697
00:42:59,100 –> 00:43:03,700
there were also several photos
of children processing or
698
00:43:03,700 –> 00:43:07,500
slaughtering goats.
Yeah, yeah, I remember reading
699
00:43:07,500 –> 00:43:11,800
that and several images
depicting children involved in
700
00:43:11,800 –> 00:43:15,600
bloodletting ceremonies while
surrounded by men and white
701
00:43:15,600 –> 00:43:21,400
robes and it sound if
ritualistic to me and this is
702
00:43:21,800 –> 00:43:27,100
this is in a u.s.
Customs agents report about what
703
00:43:27,100 –> 00:43:31,200
they found and that’s the moment
where I’m researching this and
704
00:43:31,200 –> 00:43:34,800
I’m like, okay was this a
satanic Panic completely fake
705
00:43:35,000 –> 00:43:38,500
like, yeah.
Because they also report finding
706
00:43:38,700 –> 00:43:42,200
a clearing behind one of these
homes.
707
00:43:42,300 –> 00:43:46,600
Yeah, that looked like it had
been used for which was a thing
708
00:43:46,600 –> 00:43:50,200
people would say all the time in
the 80s like when they were like
709
00:43:50,200 –> 00:43:53,300
who Dungeons and Dragons but
also it’s like the fucking
710
00:43:53,300 –> 00:43:57,400
clearings were there with the
Rocks around them like why like,
711
00:43:57,400 –> 00:44:00,500
why were so many of those
popping up and it just those
712
00:44:00,500 –> 00:44:06,100
pictures like in that initial
investigation in 87 and The
713
00:44:06,100 –> 00:44:09,800
newspaper articles around it
which fascinatingly enough you
714
00:44:09,800 –> 00:44:14,300
can just Google and still read
all of the Washington post’s
715
00:44:14,400 –> 00:44:17,200
coverage about this.
This was a huge story.
716
00:44:17,300 –> 00:44:20,500
You just sent me a link and
yeah, and I actually didn’t
717
00:44:20,500 –> 00:44:23,800
realize it was from the 80s
until I went back and I saw the
718
00:44:23,800 –> 00:44:26,800
date and I’m like, oh, this is
just readily available.
719
00:44:26,900 –> 00:44:30,700
Yeah, there’s multiple there’s
an Associated HTTP.
720
00:44:30,700 –> 00:44:34,400
Was it even secure?
I don’t know probably not put
721
00:44:34,400 –> 00:44:37,700
your credit card information and
Don’t give them to the finders
722
00:44:37,900 –> 00:44:40,300
use code on pops.
Yeah, check out if you do
723
00:44:40,300 –> 00:44:42,000
though.
Yeah, you know fifteen percent
724
00:44:42,000 –> 00:44:45,100
Kickback from the fighters good
way to track and see who’s you
725
00:44:45,100 –> 00:44:46,900
know, yeah, who’s the finders
now?
726
00:44:46,900 –> 00:44:50,800
Yeah.
So this u.s.
727
00:44:50,800 –> 00:44:55,600
Customs official is names Ramon
Martinez, he wrote the report
728
00:44:55,600 –> 00:45:00,700
that mentions all of this crazy
shit that he found also mentions
729
00:45:00,700 –> 00:45:05,000
finding several documents about
obtaining or purchasing.
730
00:45:06,100 –> 00:45:10,100
Hmm and his report is hand in
the cookie jar shit.
731
00:45:10,100 –> 00:45:15,000
It really is and you would think
with all of that.
732
00:45:15,000 –> 00:45:20,100
This would have become a bigger
deal unless unless there was
733
00:45:20,100 –> 00:45:23,700
someone at a really high level
in government because this
734
00:45:23,700 –> 00:45:27,400
investigation Customs
investigates at the FBI
735
00:45:27,400 –> 00:45:32,000
investigates it DC police look
into it Tallahassee Police.
736
00:45:32,000 –> 00:45:33,700
It’s on the radar and then it
disappears.
737
00:45:33,700 –> 00:45:37,000
Yeah, and then eventually they
just I shut it down and
738
00:45:37,000 –> 00:45:40,100
everyone’s like what like what
do you mean but that was the
739
00:45:40,100 –> 00:45:41,400
80s.
So what what the fuck were we
740
00:45:41,400 –> 00:45:43,800
going to do go on the internet
and get mad about it.
741
00:45:44,000 –> 00:45:48,500
Yeah.
And so the Ramon Martinez files
742
00:45:48,500 –> 00:45:53,700
this report and based on all of
this especially customs and the
743
00:45:53,700 –> 00:45:58,500
DC police are like this a child
porn ring or like a child sex
744
00:45:58,500 –> 00:46:02,600
trafficking ring, which is
something you obviously want to
745
00:46:02,607 –> 00:46:07,300
investigate further and put a
stop to if you And then a really
746
00:46:07,300 –> 00:46:12,000
weird thing happens as if this
isn’t weird enough already a few
747
00:46:12,000 –> 00:46:14,000
days after the investigation
starts.
748
00:46:14,000 –> 00:46:17,300
There’s this student on the
campus of Florida State
749
00:46:17,300 –> 00:46:21,000
University in Tallahassee and
Tallahassee who just finds a
750
00:46:21,000 –> 00:46:24,300
computer in a phone booth and
this is 87.
751
00:46:24,300 –> 00:46:26,600
It’s not like so yeah computers
aren’t laptop.
752
00:46:26,600 –> 00:46:29,500
There are Max.
There’s someone didn’t drop
753
00:46:29,500 –> 00:46:31,900
their iPad Apple boxes full of
shit.
754
00:46:31,900 –> 00:46:35,400
It’s heavy.
Yeah, and not only do they find
755
00:46:35,400 –> 00:46:37,000
a complete.
Later, when did it fool?
756
00:46:37,000 –> 00:46:41,000
Was it the phone but was the
phone but yourself probably
757
00:46:41,000 –> 00:46:45,300
yeah, exactly.
Just the computer stacked on
758
00:46:45,300 –> 00:46:50,800
itself and this computer he
finds unbeknownst to him exactly
759
00:46:50,800 –> 00:46:55,100
like the computer found in the
van when they pulled those two
760
00:46:55,100 –> 00:46:59,100
men over with those five years
same kind of computer.
761
00:46:59,100 –> 00:47:03,200
Okay, and this student finds his
computer and his like free
762
00:47:03,200 –> 00:47:05,300
computer.
I’m going to go home and fuck
763
00:47:05,300 –> 00:47:09,000
around with this. yeah, and he
takes it home and he finds all
764
00:47:09,000 –> 00:47:14,200
of this like inside information
about the Tallahassee Police
765
00:47:14,200 –> 00:47:20,200
investigating the finders and it
is never addressed how the
766
00:47:20,200 –> 00:47:24,300
person who owned that computer
had all this information about
767
00:47:24,300 –> 00:47:27,800
the Tallahassee PD’s police
report who initially owned the
768
00:47:27,800 –> 00:47:32,500
computer do we know that they
just know it was someone who was
769
00:47:32,500 –> 00:47:36,600
tied to the finders and when
they and it was Left I mean if
770
00:47:36,600 –> 00:47:38,800
you leave something like that in
a phone booth, it’s meant to be
771
00:47:38,800 –> 00:47:42,500
found.
Either that or you know, the
772
00:47:42,500 –> 00:47:46,900
police are closing in on you and
your fucking fleeing and you’re
773
00:47:46,900 –> 00:47:48,900
just leaving your shit out in
the open.
774
00:47:49,000 –> 00:47:54,300
Well, you’re probably not
wanting to send this is my
775
00:47:54,400 –> 00:47:56,700
theory of how that computer ends
up there.
776
00:47:56,700 –> 00:48:01,000
Yeah, you’re the hall it I think
it out to someone associated
777
00:48:01,000 –> 00:48:03,900
with the two men who were
arrested found out that they
778
00:48:03,900 –> 00:48:07,800
were arrested and we know these
Theaters were used to
779
00:48:08,000 –> 00:48:12,700
communicate with each other
presumably so they weren’t
780
00:48:12,700 –> 00:48:16,000
having their phones tapped or
having to communicate in that
781
00:48:16,000 –> 00:48:19,700
way and they had an internet
access and modems write whatever
782
00:48:19,700 –> 00:48:24,100
they called it back then and the
one thing you see in any TV show
783
00:48:24,100 –> 00:48:27,200
or movie about organizations
trying to avoid police
784
00:48:27,200 –> 00:48:29,600
detection, especially in the 70s
80s 90s.
785
00:48:29,800 –> 00:48:31,300
They use pay phones.
Yeah.
786
00:48:31,400 –> 00:48:35,800
So if you know that you’re part
of this huge fucking child sex
787
00:48:35,900 –> 00:48:39,900
trafficking ring and it’s like
two of your members just got
788
00:48:39,900 –> 00:48:43,600
arrested with five fucking kids
in a van.
789
00:48:43,600 –> 00:48:47,600
Yeah, you know, it’s time.
There’s probably some sort of
790
00:48:47,600 –> 00:48:51,700
like message that’s going to go
out on that network of computers
791
00:48:51,700 –> 00:48:54,100
to say.
All right, everyone fucking shut
792
00:48:54,100 –> 00:48:57,500
it down go into hiding shit.
Just got real.
793
00:48:57,500 –> 00:49:01,200
Yeah, and if you’re sending that
message, you’re probably doing
794
00:49:01,200 –> 00:49:05,100
it thinking like, all right.
I need to get the fuck out of
795
00:49:05,100 –> 00:49:08,600
here, right?
Now and either in a panic you
796
00:49:08,600 –> 00:49:11,900
leave the computer behind or you
just don’t want to be bogged
797
00:49:11,900 –> 00:49:16,300
down by running away with it or
also, you know that even if the
798
00:49:16,300 –> 00:49:21,500
police find it and know that
just an odd placement.
799
00:49:21,600 –> 00:49:26,100
Well, I think they had to
connect to the phone booth to oh
800
00:49:26,100 –> 00:49:30,200
God just they needed the I
needed that phone like that line
801
00:49:30,200 –> 00:49:32,800
that police wouldn’t have tap
Dodge and then it’s just like
802
00:49:32,800 –> 00:49:35,100
fucking I get the fuck out.
Yeah, because then if they fight
803
00:49:35,100 –> 00:49:37,200
if they find it.
Connected to your home phone or
804
00:49:37,207 –> 00:49:40,600
something or find that it’s
traceable a call went through
805
00:49:40,600 –> 00:49:42,000
your home number.
It’s traceable.
806
00:49:42,000 –> 00:49:44,500
But if they find it in the phone
booth in the computer still
807
00:49:44,500 –> 00:49:47,400
there like they might get your
fingerprints or something.
808
00:49:47,400 –> 00:49:49,300
But other than that, it’s like
fuck you.
809
00:49:49,300 –> 00:49:51,400
Can you imagine just like the
kind of pressure?
810
00:49:51,400 –> 00:49:54,500
You must be under dad Hall that
big-ass computer to a phone
811
00:49:54,500 –> 00:49:57,500
booth then assemble it and
that’s the thing too.
812
00:49:57,500 –> 00:50:00,300
It’s like you gotta do that
without being detected.
813
00:50:00,400 –> 00:50:03,400
It’s like you’re really slick.
Yeah, people are your partner’s
814
00:50:03,400 –> 00:50:05,000
suck.
I mean, it’s not like you you
815
00:50:05,000 –> 00:50:08,200
were able to take Pewter and put
in put every assemble it in a
816
00:50:08,400 –> 00:50:11,100
phone booth, which is probably
clear and your partners are
817
00:50:11,100 –> 00:50:14,600
walking around with five dirty
kids side pretty cute.
818
00:50:14,700 –> 00:50:19,700
That’s probably why sloppy
that’s probably why they use the
819
00:50:19,700 –> 00:50:24,200
campus of Florida State
University because where else in
820
00:50:24,200 –> 00:50:27,700
the 80s are a bunch of people
going to be carrying computers
821
00:50:27,700 –> 00:50:30,800
around then on the campus of
Florida State University, so you
822
00:50:30,800 –> 00:50:34,900
could very easily walk around
with this newfangled piece of
823
00:50:34,900 –> 00:50:36,800
equipment.
I’m student play dumb.
824
00:50:36,800 –> 00:50:39,700
Yeah, like yo the your arm a
student or I’m like a fucking
825
00:50:39,700 –> 00:50:41,100
fix computers.
What do you want kid?
826
00:50:41,100 –> 00:50:43,900
I’m at a place where there’s
computers like so that’s it’s
827
00:50:43,900 –> 00:50:46,300
not going to stand out.
Yeah, and I actually just
828
00:50:46,300 –> 00:50:48,600
thought about that.
We’re doing good work on this
829
00:50:48,600 –> 00:50:52,200
episode my God, we’re uncovering
some stuff putting.
830
00:50:52,500 –> 00:50:56,600
Yeah, two and two together get a
foreign shit think of like child
831
00:50:56,600 –> 00:50:59,500
sex traffickers look at us.
Well, you got to think like them
832
00:50:59,500 –> 00:51:02,300
to a podcast about it.
Yeah.
833
00:51:02,300 –> 00:51:04,700
So yeah, you know like yeah, I
guess so.
834
00:51:04,700 –> 00:51:07,300
Yeah.
Citron understand.
835
00:51:07,700 –> 00:51:12,200
Yeah, but I do think that’s
probably that probably explains
836
00:51:12,600 –> 00:51:16,800
that phone like that phone booth
why they use that phone booth
837
00:51:16,800 –> 00:51:19,200
because that’s where and then
you just then you just leave
838
00:51:19,200 –> 00:51:21,500
that fucking computer and no
one’s ever going to find you
839
00:51:21,500 –> 00:51:23,700
because all you do is pull the
Jack out right?
840
00:51:23,700 –> 00:51:26,600
It’s like I mean, I don’t know.
I don’t remember even remember
841
00:51:26,600 –> 00:51:28,800
much else.
But yeah, it was pretty simple.
842
00:51:28,800 –> 00:51:32,500
Well, this was like this was
like a free internet computer.
843
00:51:32,500 –> 00:51:35,300
So I mean they had some version
of the internet obviously, but I
844
00:51:35,308 –> 00:51:36,800
don’t know how this fucking
thing work.
845
00:51:36,800 –> 00:51:39,800
Yeah, but and it’s interesting
that I calm you and would have
846
00:51:39,800 –> 00:51:43,700
access to technology like this.
That’s the thing as you dig
847
00:51:43,700 –> 00:51:46,700
deeper into this cult.
They were that was part of their
848
00:51:46,700 –> 00:51:49,700
whole gig.
They were a computer technology
849
00:51:49,700 –> 00:51:52,500
cold.
I think of men walking around in
850
00:51:52,500 –> 00:51:57,400
suits slaughtering goats, right,
you know, it’s a little odd and
851
00:51:57,600 –> 00:52:05,000
it’s the 80s and what better way
to get people into the fold just
852
00:52:05,000 –> 00:52:08,600
so you can Be in front of them
and talk to them especially if
853
00:52:08,607 –> 00:52:11,900
you’re trying to get rich
influential people.
854
00:52:12,000 –> 00:52:16,100
If you not only have access to
all of this computer technology,
855
00:52:16,100 –> 00:52:19,700
but know how to use it and know
how to harness it and can get in
856
00:52:19,700 –> 00:52:22,600
front of a rich person and be
like man, you wouldn’t believe
857
00:52:22,600 –> 00:52:23,900
the shit.
You can accomplish with a
858
00:52:23,908 –> 00:52:26,300
computer.
I’ll show you how to use one.
859
00:52:26,300 –> 00:52:29,600
Yeah, and next thing, you know,
you’re in the finders helping
860
00:52:29,600 –> 00:52:33,200
them traffic kids to China and
like like you were recruited
861
00:52:33,200 –> 00:52:37,200
like we know that the Nexium
cult That was just uncovered.
862
00:52:37,200 –> 00:52:40,700
What the fuck was that?
Like that was mostly Rich
863
00:52:40,700 –> 00:52:45,000
successful people who were just
looking for something else in
864
00:52:45,000 –> 00:52:47,600
life.
They were so fucking smart and
865
00:52:47,600 –> 00:52:50,800
so bored and so bored with
everyone in their life that
866
00:52:50,800 –> 00:52:53,700
they’re like too much power and
nothing to do with it is
867
00:52:53,700 –> 00:52:56,600
dangerous, right and that like
that’s how rich people get
868
00:52:56,600 –> 00:52:59,800
defrauded out of their money
because they think they’re so
869
00:52:59,800 –> 00:53:03,200
smart and well, I would identify
this person as a fraud if they
870
00:53:03,200 –> 00:53:05,700
were a fraud and it’s like no
you’re not that smart.
871
00:53:05,900 –> 00:53:08,400
You just bored and they know
that and they’re taking
872
00:53:08,400 –> 00:53:10,800
advantage of it.
Yeah, like computers in the 80s
873
00:53:10,800 –> 00:53:14,200
will be a great fucking way to
get in with rich people.
874
00:53:14,400 –> 00:53:19,300
Like that’s pretty brilliant.
Yeah, and that’s what this group
875
00:53:19,300 –> 00:53:22,800
did they were like, they would
go around travel around the
876
00:53:22,800 –> 00:53:26,500
world like when we get into
talking about Mary and Petty in
877
00:53:26,500 –> 00:53:29,400
The Game caller.
That’s what they called him.
878
00:53:29,500 –> 00:53:32,700
He would they called him the
Game caller because leader of
879
00:53:32,700 –> 00:53:35,400
the finders right?
Yep, they called him that
880
00:53:35,400 –> 00:53:39,300
because cuz these people would
wake up and be like, all right,
881
00:53:39,500 –> 00:53:44,100
what do you need us to do today?
And he’d be like go make $100.
882
00:53:44,400 –> 00:53:47,900
He’s a shot caller.
Yeah, and it wouldn’t be about
883
00:53:47,900 –> 00:53:51,200
what we need a hundred dollars.
It would be about will get out
884
00:53:51,200 –> 00:53:55,200
there in the world leave the
house right now with nothing to
885
00:53:55,200 –> 00:53:58,500
your name and come home with a
hundred dollars, like whatever
886
00:53:58,500 –> 00:54:02,700
you got to do fucking do it and
that if you’re putting young
887
00:54:02,700 –> 00:54:05,700
people and developing Minds
through shit like that.
888
00:54:06,000 –> 00:54:08,200
Like you’re doing that for a
purpose you’re doing that to
889
00:54:08,200 –> 00:54:10,700
train people and the term game
finder there.
890
00:54:10,700 –> 00:54:13,700
We have the word game in there
and you’re talking to Children,
891
00:54:14,000 –> 00:54:16,400
right?
That is one way to you know, I
892
00:54:16,400 –> 00:54:21,500
think in the second article that
you sent me it was revealed that
893
00:54:21,500 –> 00:54:25,100
his explanation for the goat
sacrifices in the bloodletting
894
00:54:25,100 –> 00:54:28,600
was the goats were Troublesome,
and we wanted to make it a game
895
00:54:28,600 –> 00:54:30,800
for the kids.
And so we could, you know
896
00:54:31,300 –> 00:54:34,600
sacrifice right kill the goat
and then eat them later and the
897
00:54:34,600 –> 00:54:37,500
blood letting you know, Maybe
something for theatrics, but
898
00:54:37,500 –> 00:54:42,200
it’s just like again these this
seems very adult very adult, you
899
00:54:42,200 –> 00:54:47,100
know, so it’s it’s it’s it’s in
a manipulation technique.
900
00:54:47,100 –> 00:54:49,300
Like why are you playing these
type of games with kids?
901
00:54:49,400 –> 00:54:52,000
Right?
And so they find this phone
902
00:54:52,000 –> 00:54:55,800
booth computer?
Yeah and shortly after that
903
00:54:55,800 –> 00:54:59,500
happens.
Another DC Metro cop reveals
904
00:54:59,500 –> 00:55:03,100
that another thing they found in
that warehouse a bunch of books
905
00:55:03,100 –> 00:55:06,200
about mind control.
So now it’s like what the Fuck
906
00:55:06,200 –> 00:55:07,800
is.
This is a DC cop a
907
00:55:07,800 –> 00:55:11,700
whistleblower.
No, that’s one of the weird and
908
00:55:11,700 –> 00:55:15,200
kind of unfortunate things that
you get to later in.
909
00:55:15,200 –> 00:55:18,600
This is there’s these couple of
cops who are like, yeah, we
910
00:55:18,600 –> 00:55:21,600
found all this like possible
child porn shit.
911
00:55:21,800 –> 00:55:23,300
We found stuff about buying
kids.
912
00:55:23,300 –> 00:55:26,700
We found mine control books.
And then at one point all that
913
00:55:26,700 –> 00:55:32,400
evidence disappears, they turn
it over to I think DC police.
914
00:55:32,400 –> 00:55:37,300
Yeah, and eventually DC police
are Like there’s none of that in
915
00:55:37,300 –> 00:55:40,700
the evidence you gave us and
that was Ramon Martinez who
916
00:55:40,700 –> 00:55:44,200
turned all that evidence over.
Yeah and was like, alright, I’m
917
00:55:44,200 –> 00:55:47,700
trusting you to take this and do
the right thing with it.
918
00:55:48,000 –> 00:55:50,800
And then when he went back to
access it later, they were like
919
00:55:50,900 –> 00:55:54,000
doesn’t exist what we’ve never
heard of any of that which
920
00:55:54,100 –> 00:55:59,900
that’s strange as fuck.
Yeah, all of the incriminating
921
00:55:59,900 –> 00:56:02,500
evidence just goes away and you
saw it.
922
00:56:02,500 –> 00:56:05,200
He saw himself, right?
It was in his hands and now it
923
00:56:05,207 –> 00:56:09,000
doesn’t exist.
Hmm and a the next day of
924
00:56:09,000 –> 00:56:11,600
Virginia investigator with
knowledge of the group.
925
00:56:11,600 –> 00:56:16,500
This is the part where Mary and
Petty finally comes into the
926
00:56:16,500 –> 00:56:19,800
story.
There’s this Virginia cop who
927
00:56:19,800 –> 00:56:25,300
has some familiarity with the
finders and he’s like, hey, if
928
00:56:25,300 –> 00:56:29,400
you get too close to marry and
Petty he is going to go to
929
00:56:29,400 –> 00:56:34,400
Andrews Air Force Base and get
on a military plane and fly to
930
00:56:34,400 –> 00:56:38,100
China and I Feel like that.
Was that investigator being
931
00:56:38,100 –> 00:56:40,900
like, all right.
Let me say that again slowly.
932
00:56:41,200 –> 00:56:49,000
He’s going to get on a military
plane and fly to China now what
933
00:56:49,000 –> 00:56:53,100
you have access to a military
plane, and I’d like to also
934
00:56:53,100 –> 00:56:56,300
point out that a piece of
evidence found in the truck was
935
00:56:56,300 –> 00:57:00,500
a wasn’t a Chinese dictionary
Chinese to English translation
936
00:57:00,500 –> 00:57:03,800
dictionary.
Also one of the girls the the
937
00:57:03,800 –> 00:57:07,800
girl who could communicate when
interviewed by police claimed a
938
00:57:07,800 –> 00:57:13,000
Chinese man who she only knew as
Chinese man way to be racist kid
939
00:57:13,800 –> 00:57:18,100
80s taught her to count to 10 in
Chinese and then she counted to
940
00:57:18,107 –> 00:57:23,200
10 in Chinese for this cop and
after all of that all of this
941
00:57:23,200 –> 00:57:27,900
evidence and speculation and
suggestion that these people are
942
00:57:27,900 –> 00:57:33,200
taking kids to and from other
countries for possibly unsavory
943
00:57:33,200 –> 00:57:36,900
purposes the investigation gets
It’s shut down.
944
00:57:36,900 –> 00:57:39,500
It is determined that no laws
are broken.
945
00:57:39,800 –> 00:57:42,100
No federal laws.
No state laws.
946
00:57:42,400 –> 00:57:46,100
No children have been abused in
the investigation just gets shut
947
00:57:46,100 –> 00:57:49,400
down and in the article, they
they soften the language
948
00:57:49,400 –> 00:57:55,000
significantly from the Halt and
they they describe these people
949
00:57:55,000 –> 00:57:59,800
as living in alternative
lifestyle and there’s even a
950
00:57:59,800 –> 00:58:03,300
cult expert who is interviewed
and is like these people aren’t
951
00:58:03,300 –> 00:58:05,100
cult.
They’re just they’re trying to
952
00:58:05,100 –> 00:58:07,000
help people.
Lib, they’re described as
953
00:58:07,000 –> 00:58:10,400
liberals all the time.
They’re described as women who
954
00:58:10,400 –> 00:58:14,800
want to help people and it’s
like you sure I mean what
955
00:58:14,800 –> 00:58:18,400
happened to all the other, you
know, the evidence in the
956
00:58:18,400 –> 00:58:21,500
contrary, you know?
Yeah, what about the dirty kids
957
00:58:21,700 –> 00:58:24,900
the dirty kids the fact that
they were only eating raw fruits
958
00:58:24,900 –> 00:58:28,600
and vegetables the fact that
most of them didn’t know what
959
00:58:28,600 –> 00:58:32,600
indoor plumbing or electricity
was like the bug bites.
960
00:58:32,600 –> 00:58:35,600
It’s like you wanted there’s so
many documented things that
961
00:58:35,700 –> 00:58:38,600
Happened and then this
investigation just got shut down
962
00:58:39,100 –> 00:58:43,600
and for the longest time that’s
kind of where the story ended.
963
00:58:43,900 –> 00:58:48,500
And then these FBI Files come
out at the end of October or end
964
00:58:48,500 –> 00:58:53,200
of last month.
Yeah, and oh man, there is so
965
00:58:53,200 –> 00:58:57,300
much more to this fucking story
for one thing.
966
00:58:57,300 –> 00:59:02,200
It picks up again in 1993, which
will be the next episode of this
967
00:59:02,200 –> 00:59:05,700
where the the investigation
starts all over again.
968
00:59:05,700 –> 00:59:12,400
Again, and again just sort of
goes nowhere but these FBI
969
00:59:12,400 –> 00:59:17,600
documents they reveal a lot of
crazy things about just this
970
00:59:17,600 –> 00:59:22,400
time period and the thing about
what we said earlier about this
971
00:59:22,800 –> 00:59:25,300
having some pizza gate Vibes to
it.
972
00:59:25,300 –> 00:59:29,200
One of the things that this is
in the fucking official FBI
973
00:59:29,200 –> 00:59:31,900
documents.
There is a drawing of this
974
00:59:31,900 –> 00:59:35,000
fucking building in the FBI
documents.
975
00:59:35,700 –> 00:59:38,500
One of the things that they
turned up or one of the things
976
00:59:38,500 –> 00:59:43,900
they found in that initial raid
back in 87 a preschool tied to
977
00:59:43,900 –> 00:59:46,600
the group was discovered in the
DC area.
978
00:59:46,700 –> 00:59:50,400
It had two tunnels one of them
extending all the way to the
979
00:59:50,400 –> 00:59:54,900
front yard of the triplex next
door, which the finders also
980
00:59:54,900 –> 00:59:58,600
owned the entrance to the tunnel
in that front yard was obscured
981
00:59:58,600 –> 01:00:03,100
from public view by a three-car
garage a hole was discovered in
982
01:00:03,100 –> 01:00:05,500
the bathroom floor of one of the
apartments.
983
01:00:05,800 –> 01:00:09,700
That possibly connected with
those tunnels in the preschool
984
01:00:09,700 –> 01:00:13,400
next door, but it had since been
filled in and that school was
985
01:00:13,400 –> 01:00:17,100
outfitted with a fire alarm
system that could be triggered
986
01:00:17,100 –> 01:00:21,800
by any of a series of light
switches, but the alarm did not
987
01:00:21,800 –> 01:00:24,600
connect to the local fire
department.
988
01:00:24,700 –> 01:00:28,700
It was just an internal alarm
like as if it was like shits
989
01:00:28,700 –> 01:00:31,400
going down run.
Yeah hit those fucking tunnels
990
01:00:31,500 –> 01:00:35,500
go to the triplex leave through
the front yard red flags glow.
991
01:00:35,700 –> 01:00:39,500
Lore, and when the police were
finally able to talk to more of
992
01:00:39,500 –> 01:00:43,800
these kids, they all described
going in and out of a tunnel
993
01:00:43,800 –> 01:00:47,900
entrance that was exactly where
the police found it.
994
01:00:47,900 –> 01:00:52,300
So that feels like some satanic
Panic shit like that feels like
995
01:00:52,300 –> 01:00:57,600
a preschool set up solely for
ritualistic shit when you’re
996
01:00:57,600 –> 01:01:00,000
doing something with the kids,
you’re definitely doing some
997
01:01:00,000 –> 01:01:02,400
does not with the curricular
school.
998
01:01:02,500 –> 01:01:07,700
They also found a small white.
Plate with three pentagrams on
999
01:01:07,700 –> 01:01:11,400
it in the dirt near the
children’s play area.
1000
01:01:11,400 –> 01:01:15,800
There’s those say Satan has
Satan ritual stuff.
1001
01:01:16,000 –> 01:01:19,300
And then there’s the pictures
there are pictures of these
1002
01:01:19,300 –> 01:01:21,100
kids.
We mentioned earlier like
1003
01:01:21,100 –> 01:01:25,400
slaughtering goats and
bloodletting LED lighting
1004
01:01:25,400 –> 01:01:29,800
ceremonies and one of the moms
eventually shows up and
1005
01:01:29,800 –> 01:01:32,600
testifies about that.
And this is what she said.
1006
01:01:32,600 –> 01:01:35,100
This is the shit that gets this
investigation.
1007
01:01:35,600 –> 01:01:38,600
Shut down and they determine
everything is normal.
1008
01:01:38,600 –> 01:01:41,700
This is verbatim from the FBI
Files.
1009
01:01:41,700 –> 01:01:44,200
The pictures of the children
were slaughtered goats was not a
1010
01:01:44,200 –> 01:01:49,100
ritual sacrifice, but rather an
attempt at a hands-on experience
1011
01:01:49,200 –> 01:01:52,600
one mother who wasn’t sure that
the ordeal was necessary or that
1012
01:01:52,600 –> 01:01:56,600
she approved she indicated that
only the three men were present
1013
01:01:56,600 –> 01:02:00,000
at the time thought that the
experience was well intentioned
1014
01:02:00,000 –> 01:02:04,400
as it as a experience for the
children to learn she likened
1015
01:02:04,400 –> 01:02:08,400
the slaughter to that of Is done
in conventional biology classes
1016
01:02:08,500 –> 01:02:11,400
several mothers indicated that
the robes being warned by the
1017
01:02:11,400 –> 01:02:14,800
men were actually sheets the men
wore during the slaughter to
1018
01:02:14,800 –> 01:02:17,700
protect their clothing the
slaughter of the two goats on
1019
01:02:17,700 –> 01:02:20,200
the Virginia Farm was at the end
of the summer and the goats
1020
01:02:20,200 –> 01:02:23,200
couldn’t be left there alive the
meat from the goats was taken
1021
01:02:23,200 –> 01:02:26,200
back to Washington DC to the
group where they ate the meat
1022
01:02:26,300 –> 01:02:29,200
the children have the experience
experience to see where meat
1023
01:02:29,200 –> 01:02:32,500
comes from an experience that
most children don’t get while
1024
01:02:32,500 –> 01:02:35,900
they are growing up.
I don’t fucking believe That
1025
01:02:35,900 –> 01:02:39,500
will especially if the goats
were initially pets right that’s
1026
01:02:39,500 –> 01:02:45,100
traumatizing and in like what
does the goats were problematic
1027
01:02:45,100 –> 01:02:48,500
or the goats were Troublesome?
Like what does that mean?
1028
01:02:48,500 –> 01:02:51,800
Like they just like became a
burden because then that does
1029
01:02:51,800 –> 01:02:55,900
imply well they used to be pets
and so we had the kids kill
1030
01:02:55,900 –> 01:02:59,600
those pets and it’s like that’s
not a hands-on experience.
1031
01:02:59,600 –> 01:03:02,100
That’s not normal.
You’re doing something fucking
1032
01:03:02,100 –> 01:03:02,900
weird.
Yeah.
1033
01:03:02,900 –> 01:03:05,400
I mean, it’s some people would
say it’s murder.
1034
01:03:05,700 –> 01:03:09,300
Yeah animal abuse and it ate the
meat or they say they hate the
1035
01:03:09,300 –> 01:03:13,000
me, but there’s no way to track
that and it’s happening at a
1036
01:03:13,000 –> 01:03:16,200
time.
When all of the country is up in
1037
01:03:16,200 –> 01:03:21,100
arms about satanic abuse at
fucking daycares.
1038
01:03:21,200 –> 01:03:25,500
And now there’s this fucking
figure with police investigation
1039
01:03:25,900 –> 01:03:30,100
with all these fucking tunnels
and Warning Systems and tunnels
1040
01:03:30,100 –> 01:03:33,800
that lead to an escape next door
in a fire alarm.
1041
01:03:33,800 –> 01:03:37,500
That’s only internal not Collect
it right connected to any
1042
01:03:37,500 –> 01:03:39,400
Department like local fire
department.
1043
01:03:39,400 –> 01:03:42,500
That’s crazy.
That that’s that’s very suspect.
1044
01:03:42,500 –> 01:03:47,000
It’s super suspects.
Say the least and but by far the
1045
01:03:47,000 –> 01:03:51,600
craziest detail to come out of
that FBI file, I mean this isn’t
1046
01:03:51,600 –> 01:03:57,500
the craziest but the Revelation
that as far back as 1987, which
1047
01:03:57,500 –> 01:04:00,300
was a few days after the
Tallahassee incident.
1048
01:04:00,300 –> 01:04:04,000
There was already talk of the
finders having some sort of
1049
01:04:04,000 –> 01:04:07,300
connection to the CIA.
The files you mentioned that
1050
01:04:07,300 –> 01:04:10,900
start in 93.
Yeah, I think they open by
1051
01:04:10,900 –> 01:04:15,800
saying we want the Department of
Justice to open an inquiry into
1052
01:04:15,800 –> 01:04:20,900
whether United States
intelligence used the finders as
1053
01:04:20,900 –> 01:04:24,100
part of a like Global sex
trafficking scheme.
1054
01:04:24,100 –> 01:04:28,100
Yeah, there is some finger
pointing at at internet.
1055
01:04:28,100 –> 01:04:30,900
That’s why I was asking earlier
is this internal is one group
1056
01:04:30,900 –> 01:04:33,500
looking at another and there’s
always sort of this I wouldn’t
1057
01:04:33,500 –> 01:04:35,600
call it may be a competition
between Yeah.
1058
01:04:35,607 –> 01:04:39,000
Yeah II and was it CIA it was
CIA.
1059
01:04:39,000 –> 01:04:45,300
That’s what that’s what hap like
one of the documents from 1987.
1060
01:04:45,400 –> 01:04:49,200
That is most interesting.
This one that talks about CIA
1061
01:04:49,200 –> 01:04:52,800
involvement.
One of the Customs agents
1062
01:04:52,900 –> 01:04:57,600
managed to talk to the CIA and I
think it was Ramon Martinez and
1063
01:04:57,600 –> 01:05:03,400
he talks to the CIA and they
tell him that this woman who
1064
01:05:03,400 –> 01:05:08,800
worked at the CIA was also A
member of the finders and it
1065
01:05:08,800 –> 01:05:12,100
just so happened that in her
last couple of years with the
1066
01:05:12,100 –> 01:05:15,600
CIA which also overlap with her
years in the finders.
1067
01:05:16,000 –> 01:05:19,900
She traveled to Moscow North
Korea and North Vietnam.
1068
01:05:20,100 –> 01:05:25,500
This isn’t between 69 and 70 one
when we were fucking at War.
1069
01:05:25,500 –> 01:05:30,600
Yeah in Vietnam and the Customs
agent is like like this is in
1070
01:05:30,600 –> 01:05:33,500
his report.
He says to the CIA agent.
1071
01:05:33,600 –> 01:05:35,400
Well, you know only you could
have arranged.
1072
01:05:35,600 –> 01:05:40,200
That like no American could get
to wage until you can’t just
1073
01:05:40,200 –> 01:05:42,800
tation in North.
Yeah, you can’t just go to North
1074
01:05:42,800 –> 01:05:45,700
Vietnam when we’re at war with
North Vietnam, like only you
1075
01:05:45,700 –> 01:05:48,400
could have arranged that Delta
is not flying in there in the
1076
01:05:48,400 –> 01:05:53,900
CIA was like, yeah, huh and and
just like left it at that like
1077
01:05:53,900 –> 01:05:57,000
they kind of like stonewalled
him and were like, yeah somewhat
1078
01:05:57,000 –> 01:06:02,600
like we knew about this group
someone related to us traveled
1079
01:06:02,600 –> 01:06:04,700
to these countries on their
behalf.
1080
01:06:05,000 –> 01:06:07,400
What of it?
What are you gonna do about it?
1081
01:06:07,400 –> 01:06:13,400
And the answer was nothing like
this the investigation in 1987
1082
01:06:13,400 –> 01:06:17,400
gets fucking shut down and it’s
determined that no crimes were
1083
01:06:17,400 –> 01:06:19,200
committed.
So it was a very short-lived
1084
01:06:19,200 –> 01:06:22,800
investigation.
It lasted like a week.
1085
01:06:22,900 –> 01:06:27,800
I think like it took like seven
to ten days for between all of
1086
01:06:27,800 –> 01:06:33,100
this evidence of a potentially
Global child trafficking ring to
1087
01:06:33,100 –> 01:06:37,800
be uncovered we went from that.
In like the span of 7 to 10 days
1088
01:06:37,800 –> 01:06:40,100
to going if nothing don’t worry
about it.
1089
01:06:40,200 –> 01:06:42,700
And we don’t know what happened
to these two men that were found
1090
01:06:42,700 –> 01:06:47,200
until they see I think they they
were arrested and they they went
1091
01:06:47,200 –> 01:06:49,500
on trial.
I think they eventually like
1092
01:06:49,500 –> 01:06:52,800
we’re convicted of like
misdemeanor child abuse or
1093
01:06:52,800 –> 01:06:59,000
something but nothing that major
and one of the I think the will
1094
01:06:59,000 –> 01:07:02,500
end on this because the the 1993
stuff is a whole.
1095
01:07:02,600 –> 01:07:05,400
Yeah other episode.
Well it resurfaces.
1096
01:07:06,000 –> 01:07:07,600
Yeah, I’m just popped right back
up.
1097
01:07:07,600 –> 01:07:10,200
And so it’s like well what
happened then and really what
1098
01:07:10,200 –> 01:07:14,400
happened last month where it’s
back again, right?
1099
01:07:14,400 –> 01:07:18,200
And I found a thing that I
haven’t seen mentioned.
1100
01:07:18,400 –> 01:07:21,300
I’ll save it for the next
episode but I haven’t seen it
1101
01:07:21,300 –> 01:07:25,600
mentioned in any of these
articles in any of these
1102
01:07:25,600 –> 01:07:30,600
documentaries and I’m going to
dig into it more because I don’t
1103
01:07:30,600 –> 01:07:34,300
I don’t even I’m not 100% sure
what I’m seeing, but we know
1104
01:07:34,300 –> 01:07:39,700
this 87 Gation happens we know
it pops up again in 93 and when
1105
01:07:39,700 –> 01:07:44,100
it pops up again in 93, the
finders are like the people who
1106
01:07:44,100 –> 01:07:47,500
are responsible for speaking for
them are like we’ve never been
1107
01:07:47,500 –> 01:07:51,400
associated with the government
like why like this is like our
1108
01:07:51,400 –> 01:07:55,700
leader he fucking tells stories.
He’s the Game caller and like
1109
01:07:55,700 –> 01:07:59,200
there’s a lot of emphasis I
think on humor and sort of
1110
01:07:59,200 –> 01:08:02,600
defending their practices.
It’s like well, we like to have
1111
01:08:02,600 –> 01:08:06,100
fun and we’re funny.
This is supposed to be Granny, I
1112
01:08:06,100 –> 01:08:07,600
can see how it’s not funny to
you.
1113
01:08:07,600 –> 01:08:09,700
But like it’s supposed to be
funny and like, you know as
1114
01:08:09,700 –> 01:08:11,200
comedians.
I’m like, I’m still trying to
1115
01:08:11,200 –> 01:08:13,400
figure out how what they were
doing is funny.
1116
01:08:13,500 –> 01:08:19,000
Right and one of the the first
things that comes up in the I
1117
01:08:19,000 –> 01:08:23,800
actually tweeted a screenshot of
this if you go out to my
1118
01:08:23,800 –> 01:08:27,600
Twitter, you’ll see it.
It’s a screenshot of the end of
1119
01:08:27,600 –> 01:08:32,200
Ramon Martinez is report, which
we’ll talk about in detail in
1120
01:08:32,200 –> 01:08:37,300
the 1993 episode, but he’s like
basically I think the CIA was
1121
01:08:37,300 –> 01:08:44,000
using the finders to distribute
misinformation like as a a means
1122
01:08:44,000 –> 01:08:48,500
of Distributing information and
all these 93 investigations
1123
01:08:48,500 –> 01:08:52,200
happen and the finders are like
now we’ve never been associated
1124
01:08:52,200 –> 01:08:54,800
with the government at all.
Well in researching this
1125
01:08:54,899 –> 01:08:58,100
yesterday and I need to like
look into it more to know
1126
01:08:58,100 –> 01:09:02,200
exactly what it is, but the
founder of the finders is on a
1127
01:09:02,200 –> 01:09:07,800
1991 Congressional directory.
And it’s a the section.
1128
01:09:07,800 –> 01:09:12,700
He’s in is a section about
approved media sources and
1129
01:09:12,700 –> 01:09:18,000
approved media Outlets.
So on the one hand you have this
1130
01:09:18,000 –> 01:09:23,200
guy saying hey, the cia’s using
this fucking sex cult to
1131
01:09:23,200 –> 01:09:28,200
distribute information of some
sort and on the other side to
1132
01:09:28,200 –> 01:09:30,899
the I don’t know like he
doesn’t.
1133
01:09:30,899 –> 01:09:33,800
Yeah, he doesn’t specify doesn’t
specify and then on the other
1134
01:09:33,800 –> 01:09:37,300
side you have the CIA.
In the finders being like now
1135
01:09:37,300 –> 01:09:40,600
there was never any relationship
there and then right in the
1136
01:09:40,600 –> 01:09:44,899
middle of that you have the
founder of this group on a
1137
01:09:44,899 –> 01:09:49,000
fucking Congressional directory
of approved media outlets and
1138
01:09:49,000 –> 01:09:51,100
reporters like mr.
Petty.
1139
01:09:51,300 –> 01:09:57,200
How does he get from being
investigated for possible child
1140
01:09:57,200 –> 01:10:01,700
sex trafficking and 87 to the
goddamn Congressional directory
1141
01:10:01,700 –> 01:10:05,500
in 1991.
That is what I want to find out.
1142
01:10:05,600 –> 01:10:08,700
Out and look into on the next
episode sounds like he has a lot
1143
01:10:08,700 –> 01:10:12,500
of friends in high places.
It sure does and speaking of
1144
01:10:12,500 –> 01:10:18,000
that the last line from the
document that brought up CIA
1145
01:10:18,000 –> 01:10:21,500
involvement in 1987.
This could explain a lot about
1146
01:10:21,500 –> 01:10:25,000
the group’s funding which we
have been unable to document to
1147
01:10:25,000 –> 01:10:28,300
this point.
So despite all the shit they
1148
01:10:28,300 –> 01:10:32,300
found in this investigation in
87 nothing saying where they’re
1149
01:10:32,300 –> 01:10:35,500
getting the money to jet-set
around the world.
1150
01:10:35,700 –> 01:10:39,800
And own all these properties.
Where is that money coming from?
1151
01:10:39,900 –> 01:10:44,000
Yeah.
I mean who knows trace the money
1152
01:10:44,000 –> 01:10:47,600
might be some like funny
business, you know, but and if
1153
01:10:47,600 –> 01:10:50,300
you’re not if you’re you know,
if you’re able to get away with
1154
01:10:50,300 –> 01:10:55,800
that no one’s saying anything.
Yeah, it it it feels like this
1155
01:10:55,800 –> 01:10:59,700
is another thing where we all
think about the satanic Panic
1156
01:10:59,700 –> 01:11:03,800
now and laugh about it because a
lot of it was crazy, but also
1157
01:11:03,800 –> 01:11:08,500
did the CIA start that in case
we ever found out about this so
1158
01:11:08,500 –> 01:11:11,800
they can be like come on that’s
satanic Panic shit get the fuck
1159
01:11:11,800 –> 01:11:15,300
out of here and it’s like yeah
it is but also there’s pictures
1160
01:11:15,300 –> 01:11:17,400
man.
Yeah, we got the receipts.
1161
01:11:17,400 –> 01:11:21,100
There’s FBI documents.
There’s a connection between the
1162
01:11:21,100 –> 01:11:23,100
two and I mean his wife.
Mr. Petty.
1163
01:11:23,100 –> 01:11:27,000
I remember his first name, but
that petty dude his wife Marian.
1164
01:11:27,000 –> 01:11:28,400
I think I was calling him
Morgan.
1165
01:11:29,500 –> 01:11:32,200
I think it’s Marian his wife and
son.
1166
01:11:32,200 –> 01:11:36,600
You said were high up there.
They’re involved in the Dia and
1167
01:11:36,700 –> 01:11:39,500
this is a like this is a group
that’s tied in like a lot of
1168
01:11:39,500 –> 01:11:42,200
their beliefs are new age
beliefs which we’ve talked about
1169
01:11:42,200 –> 01:11:47,200
before as being possibly like a
satanic thing and it’s like I
1170
01:11:47,208 –> 01:11:50,000
don’t know what to believe
anymore like little what’s
1171
01:11:50,000 –> 01:11:52,000
happening in the fucking world.
Yeah.
1172
01:11:52,000 –> 01:11:55,900
I mean, I’m always curious as to
how organized everything is.
1173
01:11:55,900 –> 01:11:59,400
Yeah, you know, it’s because
everyone has their own motives,
1174
01:11:59,700 –> 01:12:03,300
but how organized are these are
these powerful people powerful
1175
01:12:03,300 –> 01:12:06,200
entities.
Yeah, and it’s like I created
1176
01:12:06,200 –> 01:12:09,600
you clearly like you obviously
have to be very organized to
1177
01:12:09,600 –> 01:12:13,300
pull off a global trafficking
ring, but we know those things
1178
01:12:13,300 –> 01:12:16,900
happen like we know there are
organizations out there doing
1179
01:12:16,900 –> 01:12:19,500
it.
My cousin was telling me in
1180
01:12:19,500 –> 01:12:22,600
Texas in Dallas.
There was a woman whose kid was
1181
01:12:22,600 –> 01:12:26,200
just snatched right from her
just snatched and pulled into a
1182
01:12:26,208 –> 01:12:28,400
car.
I saw a surveillance video.
1183
01:12:28,400 –> 01:12:32,200
I think this was in California,
but a woman was at the store
1184
01:12:32,200 –> 01:12:36,600
with her child and the front
door of the Door was like just a
1185
01:12:36,608 –> 01:12:39,800
little propped open and this guy
just fucking reached in and
1186
01:12:39,800 –> 01:12:43,200
grabbed her daughter and tried
to run and like they caught him
1187
01:12:43,200 –> 01:12:46,500
and beat the shit out of him,
but that’s pretty fucking
1188
01:12:46,500 –> 01:12:49,100
Brazen.
And so what did they get any
1189
01:12:49,100 –> 01:12:52,800
information from him?
I mean, you know, I guess the
1190
01:12:52,800 –> 01:12:56,800
the assumption is just he was
you know a bad dude who wanted
1191
01:12:56,800 –> 01:13:00,800
to snatch a kid, but it’s just
like someone like that, you
1192
01:13:00,800 –> 01:13:04,300
know, if they are tied to a
larger organization that can be
1193
01:13:04,300 –> 01:13:07,700
access to a lot of Ation, right,
you know and it’s just like I
1194
01:13:07,700 –> 01:13:10,900
feel like that’s something you
have to look into if you’re just
1195
01:13:10,900 –> 01:13:15,900
randomly snatching kids.
Yeah, and that this like there
1196
01:13:15,900 –> 01:13:17,800
will be so many more episodes
about this.
1197
01:13:17,800 –> 01:13:21,800
I cannot believe I’ve any want
to say I feel like there’s
1198
01:13:21,800 –> 01:13:24,700
another thing I found that I
feel like no one has addressed
1199
01:13:25,000 –> 01:13:28,300
when it comes to this theory
that I also want to talk about
1200
01:13:28,300 –> 01:13:31,200
on the next episode.
I also found a book written by
1201
01:13:31,200 –> 01:13:34,900
one of the followers of this
dude about the game.
1202
01:13:34,900 –> 01:13:39,000
It’s called the Collar, where
did you find the book on fucking
1203
01:13:39,000 –> 01:13:41,800
Google books?
Like oh you can read it online.
1204
01:13:41,800 –> 01:13:43,000
Yeah.
Why?
1205
01:13:43,000 –> 01:13:48,100
Yeah, it was a weird time and
there’s so many like conspiracy
1206
01:13:48,100 –> 01:13:53,500
theories about that wave of
child kidnappings and like they
1207
01:13:53,500 –> 01:13:58,900
range from really crazy to
aliens and satanists to
1208
01:13:59,700 –> 01:14:01,600
kidnappers man.
Who knows?
1209
01:14:01,600 –> 01:14:04,100
Yeah, there’s a lot to lot to
look at.
1210
01:14:04,200 –> 01:14:08,400
Yeah, but we will be back in a
week or two.
1211
01:14:08,400 –> 01:14:11,600
I don’t know what’s going up
next week, but you’re going to
1212
01:14:11,600 –> 01:14:14,900
do the 1993 episode with me.
I hope also yeah, I don’t know
1213
01:14:14,907 –> 01:14:18,100
if we have time to do it today.
But yeah, I mean we’ll get it
1214
01:14:18,100 –> 01:14:23,100
will definitely get her done.
Yeah, but we will dig into the
1215
01:14:23,100 –> 01:14:28,400
rest of this finder shit in a
lot of detail in the future not
1216
01:14:28,400 –> 01:14:31,400
just on conspiracy to show but
on this network in general.
1217
01:14:32,000 –> 01:14:35,100
I think me and Kaitlyn cut are
going to do a whole episode just
1218
01:14:35,100 –> 01:14:39,300
about Founder of the fight he is
a fascinating figure.
1219
01:14:39,400 –> 01:14:41,300
Hell.
Yeah, and I need to know more
1220
01:14:41,300 –> 01:14:43,800
about him in a way.
That doesn’t get me murdered by
1221
01:14:43,800 –> 01:14:47,000
the CIA CIA preferably.
Well you it’s always sort of
1222
01:14:47,000 –> 01:14:49,800
Towing the line.
Yeah Tony line of not getting
1223
01:14:49,800 –> 01:14:53,800
murdered and getting hurt.
That’s what we do here at should
1224
01:14:53,800 –> 01:14:58,100
be the motto of this podcast
until then.
1225
01:14:58,400 –> 01:15:01,200
What do we have to plug before
we get out of here patreon.com
1226
01:15:01,500 –> 01:15:05,700
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1227
01:15:05,700 –> 01:15:09,900
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1228
01:15:10,600 –> 01:15:14,100
That’s all I got.
Oh, yeah, and you can stay in
1229
01:15:14,100 –> 01:15:17,400
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1230
01:15:17,400 –> 01:15:23,100
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1231
01:15:23,100 –> 01:15:27,700
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1232
01:15:27,700 –> 01:15:30,500
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1233
01:15:30,500 –> 01:15:34,600
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1234
01:15:34,600 –> 01:15:39,200
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1235
01:15:39,200 –> 01:15:44,300
month at oh and we have a show
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1236
01:15:44,308 –> 01:15:46,800
monthly show New York, but with
the holidays the timings a
1237
01:15:46,800 –> 01:15:50,800
little wonky December 20th at
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1238
01:15:50,800 –> 01:15:53,800
And New York comedy club
Christmas in New York is dope.
1239
01:15:53,800 –> 01:15:56,600
I know that’s what I’m hearing.
Yeah, because oh New York
1240
01:15:56,600 –> 01:15:59,100
listeners come out come hang.
All right.
1241
01:15:59,100 –> 01:16:00,900
Let’s get the fuck out here
physicai.
1242
01:16:00,900 –> 01:16:02,900
Goodbye CL.
Goodbye.
1243
01:16:02,900 –> 01:16:04,300
Everybody.
We love you.
1244
01:16:04,500 –> 01:16:05,900
Stop kidnapping. kids