Conspiracy! The Show The Lost Cosmonaut Theory

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I went through the transparent
tree, this whole upper chest.

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I both chose your room.
Hey, everybody, Welcome to

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conspiracy the show.
I’m Adam Todd Brown.

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Who are you?
I’m Laura.

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Crawford Laura’s my co-host
today.

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Yeah, and it’s almost more like
I’m Laura’s co-host today.

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I’m steering this ship baby
because this episode was Laura’s

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idea.
Yes, and operation, I’m just

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along for the ride.
Oh, me alive.

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Women in space there’s was fine
Sally.

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Sally’s ride went fine.
Yeah, right, Sally Ride, right,

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how’s it going going?
Fantastic going good.

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I just did a show last night.
I know you just want Joker so I

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saw joker last night so it’s as
if I did a show.

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Also.
Yeah, yeah.

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It’s like you went to a comedy
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There was a guy who clearly has
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yeah, issues with food and he
does stand up and he’s a

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stand-up and the show the the
Movie was not that great.

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That’s what I’ve heard.
If I’m being completely honest,

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I think the rumor mill.
I think the good reviews are, I

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think history will will look –
Leon good reviews of this movie,

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not from, not for any political
reason.

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I just think it’s not a good
movie.

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It’s long and boring.
And the big twists are really,

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really fucking obvious.
And oh, I didn’t the more I

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thought about it, after I
watched it, the less and less.

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I liked it, give Joaquin
Phoenix, his performance is good

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but he’s a good actor like he’s
an ex yes good and a lot of

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things.
The walking in the park for him.

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Wow wow everyone just turned
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Thank you for tuning in
everybody.

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I mean Laura, see you later?
Yeah, that’s been.

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I’m going to take it from here.
I’m gonna let winter Host this

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episode because you have proven
so incompetent, she has to keep

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getting kicked out of the room.
I got to figure out a better

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setup for all this.
So what are we talking about

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today?
Anyway, today we are talking

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about the Lost cosmonauts
Theory, the lost cosmonauts

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conspiracy theory.
This is near and dear to my

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heart, because it kind of plays
into one of my favorite movies

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that everyone hates which is
Apollo 19, what which is a found

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footage horror movie.
Okay, that takes place on a

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space shuttle mission in the
center.

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Now, I don’t think space shuttle
but one of our trips to the

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Moon, right?
Supposed to be are like lost our

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secret trip to the moon that
ended in disaster.

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So we didn’t tell anyone and
then they found the footage and

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part of the plot of that is that
there were cosmonauts who made

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it to the moon and died there
and history just covered it up.

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Exactly.
That is pretty much the van

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while we’re talking about.
It is incredible to me how

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well-known moon landing
conspiracy tsar and most people

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who like conspiracy theories are
very aware of you know, people

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say we didn’t get to the moon.
Or they’re very quick to know a

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lot about NASA related
conspiracies but I had never

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heard of this cosmonauts Theory
until very recently and so

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you’re not dancing around it.
So this Theory basically states

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that unsuccessful Soviet space
missions and the cosmonauts who

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flew in them, they were covered
up by the authorities to avoid

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negative publicity during the
Cold War, right?

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And that’s pretty much it if it
covers a lot of different

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examples but that’s your basic
Theory or working with right

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Russia did do a lot of Firsts in
the space race and They

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potentially did other things
before even their successful

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missions that they covered up
because they weren’t they didn’t

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meet their their standards or
the people who were involved

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were damaged afterwards in some
way that they couldn’t claim

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them as successful Pilots,
right?

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Yeah.
And this is when I first heard

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about it I was immediately
believing.

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I was you know I was very open
to believing that that was the

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case because you know I think
you can understand why.

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Oh yeah yeah I mean I don’t need
you.

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I host a conspiracy Theory
podcast, like I there’s a lot.

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I don’t have any trouble,
believing a lot of this.

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There’s a thing at the end that
I think, and I think there can

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be some holes poked in it, but
read.

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Yeah, the idea that because it
seems like the general idea is

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that, because Russia did put the
first man in space in space, but

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the idea is, they tried a couple
other times.

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Yes.
And it failed and they just

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covered that part up which, of
course, yes, it makes total

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sense and everybody who’s kind
of History knows that the USSR

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famously airbrush people at a
photos after they became you

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know, political pariahs or they
were disappeared in the gulags.

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And people are very aware of how
history has been edited by

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Propaganda agents within the
Soviet Union and they’ve

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disappeared people who didn’t I
like?

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So it stands to reason, if the
were filled cosmonauts were

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there are cosmonauts that were
fucked up after their missions.

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They would cover it up.
That makes total sense, they

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totally get why people would
believe that, but in doing my

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research, I am hazard.
Are the experts very thoroughly

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convinced that all of these
cases are bullshit, they bring

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up and there’s different ones
and they are nearly all proven

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to be total horseshit, right?
But for interesting reasons, so

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we can get into that as we go
on.

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Yeah.
But the story that I wanted to

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tell first, I don’t know if you
found this as thrilling as I did

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but it was about Valentin.
Bondarenko.

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Yes.
Okay.

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So the whole reason I got into
the Lost cosmonauts thing was

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that I was reacting.
It was maybe a today I learned

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or something else worth talking
about the horrific death of is

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Cosmic Raining pilot named
Valentin bondarenko and

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basically an April 1960.
This young man he’s selected for

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an elite.
Cosmonaut training program with

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19 other guys and they’re trying
to fly the vostok spacecraft

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which is what Yuri Gagarin took
into space for the first man in

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space.
So they they get selected in.

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March they start training a
month later and then about like

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a year later.
So Valentin is training.

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He’s in this 15-day endurance
experiment, right?

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He’s on day 10 and And it’s at
The Institute of biomedical

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problems in Moscow, what a name,
what a name Institute of

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biomedical problems.
The Institute of biomedical

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problems, like they make
problems.

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That’s the Institute.
We produce problems here on the

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biomedical nature and in this
case they did produce a fucking

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problem, they really did.
So ballon team is working in a

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low.
Pressure altitude chamber with

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an atmosphere least fifty
percent oxygen so that’s not us.

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Normal scenario that anyone
Earth would be in and the end of

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his shift, which I imagine is
probably, like, very long.

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Yeah.
He takes off the biosensors that

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are on his body, you know, those
little sticky pad things that

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you would need, right?
We’re getting EKG or something

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and he watched his skin with a
cotton balls soaked in alcohol

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when he finished, he tossed it
towards the waste bin, instead

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of Landing the waste bin, the
cotton ball landed on this hot

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plate that he had been using the
chamber to make tea the ball

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bursts into flames and he’s
tries to cover the Smother the

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Flames with his coveralls sleeve
but that’s leave ignited.

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So doctor was monitoring this
experiment but he couldn’t get

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the chamber door open to free
him for 30 minutes because it

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was the pressure differences,
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Internal and external.
So Valentin is finally rushed to

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a hospital, and he has
third-degree Burns over so much

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of his body.
That the only place they can get

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in an IV and is in his feet, ye
sure treatment.

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So after 16 hours he dies of
shock.

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And during this time, Yuri
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Who’s the first man in space?
He’s at his bedside because

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they’re Cosmonaut training
buddies and he was 24 years old

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Valentine, and then three weeks
later, Yuri Gagarin is in space.

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It’s just insanely tragic.
Yeah, and so he was the youngest

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member and that’s just, that’s a
confirmed story.

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That’s not what is I could
United States propaganda, get

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into what, how people learn
about this?

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So it was all.
So I’m just thinking we were to

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think about his age so he went
in 1957 Sputnik, 1 launches

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Valentin, just Dated Heist, the
flight school, flight school.

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So that’s how young he is.
So his nickname was Tinkerbell.

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Oh, but that doesn’t seem nice.
Well Ballentine June use the

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youngest guy.
So yeah, basically he had been

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filmed and photographed training
with cosmonauts but the Press

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never reported his death.
In this experiment was

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completely covered up, no one
reported it and then he was

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photoshopped out of keep
pictures with other cosmonauts

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after he died and then his death
airbrushed out by Runs Out,

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Photoshop.
Sorry are posted Also trades a

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whole lot.
Yeah, trademark product.

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It’s gonna be our bonus episode.
Did Photoshop exist in the 70?

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Yeah, it was a bit about Hedy
Lamarr if there’s so the public,

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there’s these rumors going
around that he had died in a

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failed, flight experiment, with
other guys had died in failed,

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flight experiments.
So, in 1980, the details of his

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death are reported in the west
and then Soviet citizens learned

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about that accident in a news
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Six years later.
You’re so not till 86 86 but

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Jake about how slow that
information flow is just in time

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for Chernobyl to happen.
Exactly.

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And for them to forget about all
of it.

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Yes, so here is a confirmed case
of a cosmonauts death being

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covered up, right?
And him being airbrushed out of

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photos and his death, not being
reported and that causing a

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rumor mill to swirl that it was
the same thing repeated.

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So that’s a confirm true case.
So in that case he’s is sort of

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a lost Cosmonaut, right?
But the other We’re going to go

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into our not like that at all.
No they are a little more as

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Fantastical as that tail is.
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They get crazier.
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If you you know, if you love the
idea of the tragic horrific

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death of a beautiful young man
burning in Flames for a

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half-hour while, scientists
can’t do anything, they tuned.

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Stay tuned.
Yes.

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So the real question, so we
talked about this is movie

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that’s available on Amazon
called the Cosmonaut Cover-Up

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and that is a really good
resource to watch about KET

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explaining more.
This thing.

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It’s a you said it’s a 1999
documentary and it looks this

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nice.
Yes, that’s that’s the best.

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They dissolve sound like
Frontline episodes tonight.

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We’re going to talk about this.
Oh yeah.

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Commentary’ a very different
now.

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Yeah, I should have why I didn’t
have time to watch the

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documentary for this because
you’re leading the I’m chilling

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this week.
Way back, man.

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Yeah.
Or unless you’re elmore’s.

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His documentaries are different
like to see Errol Morris.

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Do an ancient aliens episode?
That would be pretty great.

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Yeah, I should mention Week’s
bonus episode.

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Me and Laura are recapping
Ancient Aliens season 1, episode

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1.
Maybe we’re going to do them all

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14 fucking Seasons, catch up
with us for years from now.

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Is there going to be a country
by the time we get through that

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probably not.
No, no, we’re going to be hiding

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from cannibals.
Yeah, we’ll be marauding.

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But our with the like
electricity generator setting it

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on a morse code, but we’re still
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Those episodes are very
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Yeah.
We love continuity more than

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anything.
So the real question here about

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man’s, you know, Quest To
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The Soviets are kicking our ass
for very long time which

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everyone acknowledges right.
In the first man in space, it

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was a cheeky young gent.
He’s beautiful gorgeous Golden

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Boy.
Looks like she found a package

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of bread named, Yuri Gagarin and
Yuri, Gagarin had a beautiful

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smile and it was amazing to me
that the Soviets actually could

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find someone who was as smiley.
It’s this young man is You can

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see him.
Yeah.

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And it at a time when there’s
not a lot to smile about how it

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sits in the Soviet Union and
especially one thing you always

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hear about Russia in general and
I’m assuming this applied to the

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Soviet Union.
Also yeah is smiling too much is

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the sign of idiocy.
Yeah, people are like what the

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fuck are you so happy about?
We’re in Russia.

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Frown it’s give us a frown.
You look pretty when you frown.

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Yeah it’s a bit feminine you
know to be so.

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Smiley, you know, but Yuri was
so much.

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Yeah.
He was a much softer national

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hero than I thought they would
pick but they had they were

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competing with like we sent our
prettiest up into space at first

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to like we sent real Aryan
archetype sort of fellows.

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Also there are test pilots.
Yeah like yeah.

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They’re military fit and yeah
they look like g.i.

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Joe characters.
Yeah.

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So Russia is not going to send
some fucking vodka swollen

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schlub up there.
Oh, I just imagine they do more

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of a hard look and And you know
with like you know, like a cut

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jaw and like was probably like
how when you see those dogs

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walking upright, then you see
the behind-the-scenes video and

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it’s someone beating them with a
shoe while they stand in the

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corner.
That’s right.

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They probably had to beat the
smile Yuri had like little

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strings that they would pull up.
Yeah, it was smile, so that

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Cosmic cover up the synopsis
that film is, it turns out what

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voice treated for this?
It turns out.

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It turns out I like that first
one.

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It turns out, It turns out Yuri
Gagarin was not the first man in

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space, but was preceded by
another Soviet Cosmonaut who

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crash-landed was severely
injured as identity, kept secret

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until now.
Oh no Sunday, Sunday Sunday,

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from real.
So yes, this is the theory and

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the dude and question, who they
say possibly was the first man

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in space.
Vladimir illusion, Ocean

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illusion illusion and why
sometimes no other times.

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Yes, does The Conspiracy Theory
character have to have a last

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name.
That’s so close to illusion,

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it’s like, come on.
I know I don’t do this, you

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know.
Tito vodka Tito beverage.

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Yeah.
Nominative determinism right?

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That phrase.
I have loved it.

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Yeah.
Tom Cruise the guy who runs the

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company that makes Rascal
scooters.

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Perfect fucking name.
Laura Crawford of course.

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I Ferry crows across water,
right?

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And nothing with my last time,
foolish.

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It doesn’t involve shit.
Yeah, I’m such a child.

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So Vladimir illusion that the
mere illusion.

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So this man was his father
designed spacecraft.

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He designed spacecraft and pilot
and aircraft for the Soviet

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Union was very famous vaulted.
You know, I guess engineer,

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right?
And what Mary Lee ocean.

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If you see what this dude looks
like.

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No, I did not look up pictures
of this guy.

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Yi is not cute.
Oh, yeah.

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Well, I saw, of course, you sent
him up as the test dummy.

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You burn the ugly ones.
Yeah, he’s not cute.

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He looks a bit Fraga shhhh.
I can’t, I can’t put that baby

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weight.
Yeah, I spent, yeah, you Pepe

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the frog type about this.
Get a Pepin it’s got a little

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pep in his step.
It up happiness.

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Yeah, they were a leading the
way and everything they still,

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they were trolling us of those
memes then.

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So who the hell is this guy?
Major General Vladimir?

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See, give each sergeevich in the
ocean.

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I’m going to do that accent as
much as possible.

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Also be a general and test pilot
and Son of aerospace engineer,

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Sergei Aleutian.
And most of his career was spent

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as a test pilot for the Sukhoi
okb.

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And then he went on to become a
rugby.

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Union administrator inducted to
the world rugby Hall of Fame in

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2013.
Sure, sure.

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Like you do a man of many
strands one does.

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It also sounds like the kind of
job you’d get.

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If the government was trying to
get you to keep a secret for

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your entire life.
Wait, right.

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They like all right.
What are you going to give me

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their like you want to run a lug
or rugby league?

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Yeah.
How about that?

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I think it was.
Yeah, because that reminds me of

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Miracle, you know, the Miracle
on Ice when the Soviets were

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beaten by the Americans
watching, the ESPN feature about

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the 3430 and they were talking
about how I believe the guy was

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the first hockey coach one of
them.

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He was somehow involved in the
plane crash that killed Stalin

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son.
Oh yeah, if I’m wrong.

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But I believe that there was a
connection with that and it was

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sort of a shifted move, you
know, within the realm of

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politics to get him out of focus
of serious shit.

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Make him go coach hockey.
Oh, when they didn’t know what

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hockey was interesting, but this
dude is definitively a badass.

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Like Vladimir ilyushin is a
fucking crack pilot.

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He’s one of the best fucking
Pilots that you could ever think

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of and how Aesop.
I love this fucker.

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He was a test pilot in the
Sequoia.

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Su-24.
His flight course, was so

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precise.
He caused a software crashed and

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the aircraft instrumentation
Laura.

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How does that happen?
So, the software that were using

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to this nav attack system,
didn’t have a null function, I

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had to look up.
What that was it failed to

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proceed after it.
Hit the machine 0, his actual

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geographical position, became
identical to the mission Target

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input into the software.
No one had expected any pilot to

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meet this objective and there’s
no provision.

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Not suffer for it.
That’s crazy.

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Yeah, so he flew so perfect.
The software was like, shocked.

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Yeah, there’s nothing and no one
could be flying this.

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Perfect.
Yes.

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It overloaded the system and
they couldn’t handle it.

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They pretty much determine these
aerospace engineers, could not

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believe that someone could
mechanically fly.

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So perfectly.
That sounds that sounds about

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Russian that sounds about like,
the don’t smile too much thing.

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It’s like, why are you happy?
Like why would you assume any of

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us would be that perfect.
Don’t even fucking.

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Put it in the socket that
perfect.

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T’, but this was really a
Capstone moment for me or

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something.
That was a really real

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revelatory and I was like, what
do I love about the Soviet Union

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highs and lows the highest highs
the lows fucking loads.

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Yeah, we killed seven million of
our own people but we’re super

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fucking perfect that piloting
and Bala hey in the Olympics

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record but just that human
endeavor of like reaching so

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high and also being so degraded
and just so fucked up.

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Yeah.
I love it.

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I love the dichotomy.
It’s so fun, but he’s that

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fucking crack of pilot as
opposed to Yuri Gagarin, who had

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kind of like bondarenko just
finished flight school of four

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years earlier, and was a good
pilot, right?

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But he wasn’t the top pilot and
his dad wasn’t an aerospace

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engineer for the party.
You know, he wasn’t famous like

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the aleutians were famous.
They were celebrities, I mean,

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this is an error, I think we
kind of forget about it now, but

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you look at like the Green
Lantern and shit like that

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sixties test pilots.
Were kind of famous.

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Yeah, and it’s it kind of stands
to reason that this guy would

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have been first.
That did.

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What if he was that good?
Yeah.

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If you’re going to choose
someone to be in a space

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mission, assuming they meet all
the physical protocol in all

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yada yada, whatever eyesight is
good right suit?

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All you would assume they would
choose him.

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That would make the most sense
because of his family’s position

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and who he was and how well he
was fucking flying.

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So there is a theory that states
that he was the first man in

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orbit and not Yuri Gagarin.
And kind of why they say that

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this was not reported.
So the claim is that there was a

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failure aboard, the spacecraft
and a cause controller is to

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bring the descending capsule
down several orbits earlier than

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they had intended.
And as a result of this

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illusion, crash-landed in the
People’s Republic of China.

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And then he was supposedly held
by the Chinese authorities for a

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year before they give him back
to the Soviet Union, right?

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So this is the theory,
basically, is that bottom are

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Lucien flew the Mission Coffee.
Locked up, he lost Consciousness

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during part of it.
He did extra orbits landed in

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the wrong place.
Landed in China, which they had

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very strained – relations with
the USSR at that time, they held

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him for a year and then return
him.

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And this is supposing that the
Russians pulled off like a

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secret space mission secret
launch.

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Yes, a secret launch.
That was well, there’s some

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evidence in the press that did
report.

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This story that did report
afloat by Lucien the dates could

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very important and sort of Weird
to put things on a timeline.

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So in 1961 April 10th the daily
worker which is a communist

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newspaper that’s in the west.
They report use code on Pops at

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checkout for 15% office
subscription to the Daily

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worker.
Yeah.

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People who listen to those don’t
work, good point.

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Yeah, so they reported that test
pilot ution was never in a car

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X.
Okay.

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So the official Soviet Story.
One of the things that they

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claimed was that illusion was in
a car accident and that It would

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have been impossible.
That’s why he fly because he was

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in a car wreck and that because
how high profile of a figure,

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was this guy, he was reported on
the Press.

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I mean, he’s kind of a
celebrity.

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So he at some point, whether he
was injured in a space flight or

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a car accident, had to like
disappear from the public eye

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for a while.
You are getting treated for car

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Rack or possibly failed space
flight.

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So they said that he was never
in a car wreck and that he had

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Failed on this orbital spice
that space flight on the 7th.

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So this is the 10th of April.
So the same three days earlier.

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This dude was not in a car
wreck.

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He was in a space flight that
failed and yeah, so Yuri Gagarin

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launched its on April 9th.
So, this story hits the press

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the day after Yuri Gagarin goes
into space.

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They say bullshit.
It was this dude.

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He just did a three days ago and
the timelines.

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Very close.
Everything on here is you know,

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with yeah, arrogance in the
Soviets.

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That’s very close and timeline
in.

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This is very close.
So then French – French

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broadcaster, Edouard but brosky.
He also reported a similar

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story, but he said that the
launch date was back in March

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and that illusion had gone into
a coma afterwards.

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Huh.
It’s very odd.

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So, in later, in 1961, the u.s.
news and World Report claimed

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Gagarin, never even flew.
He was just a cover-up for the

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injured of the ocean.
So no one successfully know,

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they say that ellucian did fly
but he was.

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Injured in the process and they
claim that Yuri Gagarin never

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flew at all.
Oh, okay.

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So they made Gregorian the face
of it to make it seem like, it

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went better than it did.
Yeah, some people were saying

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that Gagarin didn’t even fly to
cover it up, like there was no

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attempt to do another launch
couple days later.

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Interesting?
It’s very bizarre.

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And then Kenneth Gatland in 67,
wrote a book and he kind of

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00:22:48,000 –> 00:22:52,400
talks about it about this story
and he says that there was just

438
00:22:52,400 –> 00:22:55,400
all the secrecy around the cause
my training Program in general.

439
00:22:55,400 –> 00:22:57,800
And then the secrecy kind of
started breaking down and

440
00:22:57,800 –> 00:22:59,600
there’s rumor from Moscow that a
Russian.

441
00:22:59,600 –> 00:23:02,500
Cosmonaut had been launched in
secret on April, 7th, which is a

442
00:23:02,500 –> 00:23:06,300
Friday and then a bup, which is
a department of propaganda.

443
00:23:06,300 –> 00:23:09,900
I think message to London at
midnight on April 11th, quoted

444
00:23:09,900 –> 00:23:12,600
unidentified sources as
suggesting that the Cosmonaut

445
00:23:12,600 –> 00:23:15,900
was still undergoing physical
examination by Soviet scientists

446
00:23:16,200 –> 00:23:19,600
that he was suffering from post
flight effects of a nature more

447
00:23:19,600 –> 00:23:22,900
emotional Than Physical.
Yeah, I read that part.

448
00:23:23,000 –> 00:23:26,000
Yeah, bup Contender is Or did
that the astronaut was a

449
00:23:26,000 –> 00:23:28,900
professional test, pilot in Son
of a prominent aircraft

450
00:23:28,900 –> 00:23:30,800
designer.
Russian foreign journalists are

451
00:23:30,808 –> 00:23:33,100
maintaining a round-the-clock.
Vigil waiting.

452
00:23:33,100 –> 00:23:35,600
For an official announcement,
however, official sources still

453
00:23:35,600 –> 00:23:39,200
maintain, absolute science
silence, absolute science,

454
00:23:39,700 –> 00:23:42,900
absolute silence they didn’t
deny or confirm the reports.

455
00:23:43,300 –> 00:23:45,800
So he’ll get his book of world.
Records gave the Phantom

456
00:23:45,800 –> 00:23:48,200
cosmonauts.
Credence by including Illusions

457
00:23:48,200 –> 00:23:53,200
flight in their 1964 Edition.
Yeah this is like this is all

458
00:23:53,200 –> 00:23:58,400
happening at Such a weird time
in not just Russian history, but

459
00:23:58,400 –> 00:24:03,100
also United States history.
Very cuz obviously great

460
00:24:03,100 –> 00:24:05,500
secrecy.
And we knew that governments

461
00:24:05,500 –> 00:24:07,300
were doing these kind of secret
programs, obviously, because of

462
00:24:07,300 –> 00:24:09,700
the Adam.
Yeah, but not just that, but

463
00:24:09,700 –> 00:24:14,800
also such a time for propaganda
in misinformation rate.

464
00:24:14,900 –> 00:24:19,400
So, it I would be equally
inclined, to believe the version

465
00:24:19,400 –> 00:24:23,700
where illusion goes up in space
gets hurt, and they make

466
00:24:23,700 –> 00:24:25,400
Gregorian.
Face of it.

467
00:24:25,500 –> 00:24:28,500
Cricket Garner, sorry good art
gag.

468
00:24:28,600 –> 00:24:32,300
RM gag Aaron Gagarin.
Yeah, Karen Garden.

469
00:24:33,600 –> 00:24:36,900
I could see them making him the
face of it or I could see it

470
00:24:36,900 –> 00:24:40,500
went as Russia said.
It did in the United States, put

471
00:24:40,500 –> 00:24:44,100
this story out and was like, no,
they sent someone else up first

472
00:24:44,100 –> 00:24:47,600
and he got hurt so it’s not
really as cool as it seems and

473
00:24:47,600 –> 00:24:50,100
then they’re like, put it in the
Guinness Book of World Records

474
00:24:50,100 –> 00:24:51,900
doing.
Let’s troll these motherfuckers,

475
00:24:51,900 –> 00:24:54,300
this news report.
Yeah, and it’s also a Time.

476
00:24:54,400 –> 00:24:57,300
When obviously, Moscow is Rife
with rumors.

477
00:24:57,300 –> 00:24:59,400
And that’s the nature of the
kind of secrecy that they had

478
00:24:59,400 –> 00:25:02,700
was, people were always getting
Anonymous sources and they were

479
00:25:02,700 –> 00:25:05,000
always getting, you know,
everyone had their sources and

480
00:25:05,000 –> 00:25:08,300
obviously it’s a time of great,
you know, spy Espionage is at

481
00:25:08,300 –> 00:25:09,700
its peak.
It’s the Cold War.

482
00:25:10,000 –> 00:25:13,700
So that doesn’t surprise me that
there was a lot of information

483
00:25:13,700 –> 00:25:15,400
and misinformation coming out of
Moscow.

484
00:25:15,400 –> 00:25:16,500
No one’s.
Yeah for that.

485
00:25:17,100 –> 00:25:20,600
But it’s interesting about
Cosmonaut cover of thing there

486
00:25:20,600 –> 00:25:23,400
evidence for why this is
plausible.

487
00:25:23,400 –> 00:25:28,000
One of the things they mentioned
Is that Khrushchev is in Moscow

488
00:25:28,000 –> 00:25:30,600
at the time of Russians launch?
Alleged launch.

489
00:25:30,600 –> 00:25:33,400
So April 7th khrushchev’s in
Moscow, right?

490
00:25:33,500 –> 00:25:36,100
But when Yuri Gagarin launched a
couple days later he’s on

491
00:25:36,108 –> 00:25:39,100
vacation.
That is legitimately strange to

492
00:25:39,100 –> 00:25:41,700
me.
Yes, there’s a theory that

493
00:25:41,800 –> 00:25:44,500
Khrushchev was so disheartened
or pissed off.

494
00:25:44,500 –> 00:25:48,400
Whatever you want to say of the
failure of aleutians flight that

495
00:25:48,400 –> 00:25:53,200
he had to go on vacation girl I
need a mani pedi, I am spent.

496
00:25:53,300 –> 00:25:55,700
It does seem I’m like weird
timing.

497
00:25:55,900 –> 00:25:58,700
It is on timing that they would
have the first man going into

498
00:25:58,700 –> 00:26:00,600
space in the president would be
on vacation.

499
00:26:00,900 –> 00:26:03,500
Yeah.
But would ran mere but would be

500
00:26:03,500 –> 00:26:07,600
at the same location where the
first man goes into space.

501
00:26:07,700 –> 00:26:10,400
Hmm, a couple days later a
couple days earlier.

502
00:26:10,400 –> 00:26:12,700
Yeah, for no particular reason a
couple days.

503
00:26:12,700 –> 00:26:15,000
Late a couple days earlier which
would make sense if they were

504
00:26:15,000 –> 00:26:17,900
going to announce a huge, you
know, massive accomplishment

505
00:26:17,900 –> 00:26:18,500
like that.
Yeah.

506
00:26:18,500 –> 00:26:20,900
You wouldn’t need to be there to
official, dancers of press, or

507
00:26:20,908 –> 00:26:22,700
whatever.
That is an odd.

508
00:26:22,700 –> 00:26:26,400
Yeah, yeah.
That’s bizarre.

509
00:26:26,400 –> 00:26:30,000
And then there’s the other
evidence they point to has to do

510
00:26:30,000 –> 00:26:32,600
more with China.
But the whole triangle kind of

511
00:26:32,608 –> 00:26:34,600
proves in just proves it.
It’s very cute.

512
00:26:34,700 –> 00:26:36,500
China, good work.
They’re very interesting because

513
00:26:36,600 –> 00:26:39,100
like I said, you know, Soviets I
know relations at this time

514
00:26:39,100 –> 00:26:42,800
we’re very strained, the Soviets
and the Chinese did not get

515
00:26:42,800 –> 00:26:46,000
along as you would assume.
They would, I guests are people

516
00:26:46,000 –> 00:26:48,700
aware that the kind of fucking
hated each other to an extent?

517
00:26:48,700 –> 00:26:53,700
Yeah, I think people I think
people just aren’t sure either

518
00:26:53,700 –> 00:26:56,800
way.
Yeah, because China is that like

519
00:26:56,800 –> 00:26:59,200
they’re always kind of a wild
card where Peter watch.

520
00:26:59,200 –> 00:27:03,000
China, people always have to
sort of get along with China but

521
00:27:03,000 –> 00:27:05,900
no one ever really gets along
with China, right?

522
00:27:05,900 –> 00:27:08,200
Like, they don’t have a ton of
friends, they just have doing

523
00:27:08,200 –> 00:27:09,400
their own thing.
Yeah.

524
00:27:09,500 –> 00:27:11,300
Total self interest, you know.
Yeah.

525
00:27:11,300 –> 00:27:14,900
Absolutely.
And so, yeah, the story here is

526
00:27:14,900 –> 00:27:19,300
that he crashed landed in China?
Yes, he crash-landed in China,

527
00:27:19,500 –> 00:27:24,500
which it’s strange that, if he,
if that had happened this The

528
00:27:24,508 –> 00:27:27,100
Chinese could have used that as
a major propaganda tool.

529
00:27:27,200 –> 00:27:29,500
Yeah.
You know how I mean?

530
00:27:29,500 –> 00:27:31,600
It makes me think of, when
people would defect to the

531
00:27:31,600 –> 00:27:35,100
Soviet Union or in Vietnam, when
they would get soldiers to read

532
00:27:35,100 –> 00:27:38,800
those like frightened Fashions
and promote the cause of the

533
00:27:38,800 –> 00:27:40,500
North or whatever it is.
You know, when you bring wash

534
00:27:40,500 –> 00:27:44,800
your captives and the like agree
with my captors, fuck America.

535
00:27:44,900 –> 00:27:47,300
You know they’re dead right at
the camera they could have

536
00:27:47,300 –> 00:27:48,900
easily done that they could have
said.

537
00:27:49,000 –> 00:27:51,800
Oh fuck you, Russian scientist.
Am I gonna do Chinese accent?

538
00:27:53,600 –> 00:27:56,100
Fuck, you rush.
In scientists we got your boy

539
00:27:56,100 –> 00:27:57,600
and we’re gonna kill him, you
know?

540
00:27:58,000 –> 00:28:01,900
I can’t picture China, not do
it, making some some

541
00:28:01,900 –> 00:28:06,000
announcement that hey, I’ll
fucking Russian astronaut

542
00:28:06,000 –> 00:28:10,800
crash-landed in China and had
they made that announcement.

543
00:28:10,800 –> 00:28:15,000
I can’t picture that not being
huge news in the United States.

544
00:28:15,000 –> 00:28:17,900
It would because it would have
been that this man was in space

545
00:28:17,900 –> 00:28:20,400
and is now there and they have
him captive, and it would have

546
00:28:20,400 –> 00:28:22,900
been obviously a huge
embarrassment of the Soviet

547
00:28:22,900 –> 00:28:25,600
Union and loss.
A lot of, you know, probably

548
00:28:25,600 –> 00:28:27,600
support for space programs in
general.

549
00:28:27,600 –> 00:28:29,600
I think a lot of people would
have been even more cautious

550
00:28:29,600 –> 00:28:31,600
about whether it’s something
they really want to engage in.

551
00:28:32,100 –> 00:28:35,600
And yeah, the Chinese would have
jumped on that moment in that

552
00:28:35,600 –> 00:28:39,200
didn’t happen.
But weird fact after Yuri,

553
00:28:39,200 –> 00:28:42,000
Gagarin goes to space all the
other countries of the world

554
00:28:42,000 –> 00:28:46,600
basically send Russia these
notes or messages of

555
00:28:46,600 –> 00:28:49,200
congratulations.
Clean the you as you know they

556
00:28:49,200 –> 00:28:51,200
just you know congratulations
you to the first recommended

557
00:28:51,200 –> 00:28:54,200
space.
China didn’t send them one but

558
00:28:54,400 –> 00:28:56,400
And all subsequent space
launches.

559
00:28:56,400 –> 00:28:59,600
They did send them.
Congratulations interesting.

560
00:28:59,600 –> 00:29:02,500
Hmm.
Almost to say we know this is

561
00:29:02,500 –> 00:29:05,100
bullshit.
Yeah mmm.

562
00:29:05,100 –> 00:29:07,800
Yeah.
See that’s it’s it’s possible as

563
00:29:07,800 –> 00:29:10,500
much as I want to believe.
Well China would you use this as

564
00:29:10,500 –> 00:29:13,000
some kind of bargaining chip?
Maybe they did.

565
00:29:13,100 –> 00:29:16,800
Maybe they went to Russia and
we’re like we got your boy.

566
00:29:16,900 –> 00:29:19,500
Hmm.
What are you gonna do in

567
00:29:19,500 –> 00:29:21,100
exchange for us?
Keeping this quiet.

568
00:29:21,100 –> 00:29:24,900
So they might have done that in
Russia just gave They wanted.

569
00:29:24,900 –> 00:29:27,900
So they didn’t go like Russia
may have been blackmailed true.

570
00:29:28,000 –> 00:29:29,200
They very well.
Could have happened.

571
00:29:29,200 –> 00:29:31,900
There’s no evidence for it that
anyone can attest to like no

572
00:29:31,908 –> 00:29:34,400
one’s come out and said right
that they were privy to such

573
00:29:34,400 –> 00:29:38,600
information but who would?
I don’t know, like who would in

574
00:29:38,600 –> 00:29:40,900
Russia?
No, I’m on the Chinese side.

575
00:29:41,000 –> 00:29:43,300
That’s not bad either.
It’s not come out on either side

576
00:29:43,300 –> 00:29:45,900
that any of them can fully
report that there wasn’t any

577
00:29:45,900 –> 00:29:49,000
bargaining tools.
But twist, another twist, even

578
00:29:49,000 –> 00:29:54,200
twist twist, twist ellucian
actually was traced to a Chinese

579
00:29:54,300 –> 00:29:58,800
Health resort, he was in China
around the time of this alleged

580
00:29:58,800 –> 00:30:02,300
crash, but he was at a health
resort and hangchow and he had

581
00:30:02,300 –> 00:30:05,900
been there for a while.
He had a serious leg injury in a

582
00:30:05,908 –> 00:30:07,900
road accident.
The previous June.

583
00:30:08,200 –> 00:30:11,000
Interesting.
So he was at the Moscow

584
00:30:11,200 –> 00:30:18,000
traumatology things.
Oh my God, traumas and

585
00:30:18,000 –> 00:30:23,700
biomedical problems.
Oh my God, traumatology would be

586
00:30:23,700 –> 00:30:26,800
the Great.
Name of a like a Janet Jackson

587
00:30:26,800 –> 00:30:31,200
album about.
Yeah, we having traumatology.

588
00:30:32,000 –> 00:30:34,800
I can take that Janet and good
Jimmy Jams.

589
00:30:35,000 –> 00:30:37,200
What did Jimmy Jam?
And Terry Lewis, James Ross,

590
00:30:37,300 –> 00:30:40,300
sure Terry Lewis, I would say
Terry Lewis, but that to me just

591
00:30:40,300 –> 00:30:42,900
sounds like Shari Lewis or a guy
who played in the NFL that I

592
00:30:42,908 –> 00:30:45,300
don’t know about.
I’m sure there was a Terry Lewis

593
00:30:45,300 –> 00:30:49,000
in the NFL as well.
I would put dozens of pennies,

594
00:30:49,600 –> 00:30:52,400
maybe he played for the Vikings,
that’s where jam and Lewis were

595
00:30:52,400 –> 00:30:55,400
from Minnesota.
It’s true, it’s so cold.

596
00:30:55,400 –> 00:30:58,200
It keeps out the bad people.
That’s what Prince would say,

597
00:30:58,200 –> 00:30:59,500
you know?
Oh really.

598
00:30:59,500 –> 00:31:01,600
Yeah, it’s so cold.
It keeps out assholes or

599
00:31:01,600 –> 00:31:04,200
something.
It makes sense, you know,

600
00:31:04,400 –> 00:31:06,900
somehow he survived.
So he had been at the Moscow,

601
00:31:06,900 –> 00:31:10,400
traumatology Hospital, a lie,
ocean and he remained bedridden

602
00:31:10,400 –> 00:31:13,900
at home until January 61, and he
was still walking with a cane.

603
00:31:14,300 –> 00:31:16,500
Mmm.
So the odds of someone who had

604
00:31:16,500 –> 00:31:19,600
just been in if he wasn’t a road
accident, walking with a cane

605
00:31:19,700 –> 00:31:22,200
are.
But when you trace this back,

606
00:31:22,400 –> 00:31:25,200
you really see the sort of
overlapping information that

607
00:31:25,200 –> 00:31:27,100
different stories present,
because some people said he was

608
00:31:27,100 –> 00:31:28,900
in a coma.
Some people said he was in a

609
00:31:28,900 –> 00:31:32,200
row, was in a road accident.
Some people said he was Really

610
00:31:32,200 –> 00:31:34,600
Disturbed.
You know, I mean yeah there’s a

611
00:31:34,608 –> 00:31:37,800
lot of different theories about
what’s going on with this dude.

612
00:31:38,300 –> 00:31:41,400
So one of the things that really
pops a hole in this whole deal,

613
00:31:41,400 –> 00:31:44,100
is they claim that illusion is
Mission?

614
00:31:44,100 –> 00:31:48,100
Got fucked up and he did he was
only supposed to go on a single

615
00:31:48,100 –> 00:31:52,100
orbit but they’re claiming that
he did multiple orbits and that

616
00:31:52,100 –> 00:31:54,500
just doesn’t make any sense.
It would be like impossible to

617
00:31:54,500 –> 00:31:55,200
happen.
Yeah.

618
00:31:55,200 –> 00:31:59,300
How would multiple orbits work?
You just they say that’s why he

619
00:31:59,300 –> 00:32:01,800
landed in China because he was
swinging around and couldn’t.

620
00:32:02,000 –> 00:32:05,200
And in Russia is like going up
into orbit and then come.

621
00:32:05,200 –> 00:32:07,000
And yeah.
I was like, yeah, out and it’s

622
00:32:07,000 –> 00:32:08,200
going back.
I don’t know.

623
00:32:08,200 –> 00:32:10,800
I don’t know because I feel like
getting into orbit is the worst

624
00:32:10,800 –> 00:32:11,900
part of a space.
Yeah.

625
00:32:11,900 –> 00:32:13,700
And then he was rotate around
the earth.

626
00:32:13,700 –> 00:32:15,300
Leave weird.
Exactly.

627
00:32:15,300 –> 00:32:17,200
I’m not I’m not an aerospace
engineer.

628
00:32:17,300 –> 00:32:20,200
You’re not know you had me
fooled.

629
00:32:20,300 –> 00:32:23,500
I mean I’m for credits shy.
So it’s yeah, close enough.

630
00:32:23,500 –> 00:32:24,800
No, I’m just kidding.
I’m not at all.

631
00:32:25,600 –> 00:32:27,000
That’s a good disclaimer to put
out there.

632
00:32:27,400 –> 00:32:29,500
The whole story of X or orbits
doesn’t make sense.

633
00:32:30,000 –> 00:32:33,000
The nor at tracking stations
have no Record of this launch

634
00:32:33,200 –> 00:32:35,600
and press agree to the White
House.

635
00:32:36,100 –> 00:32:39,200
Mr. Salinger, he said the US
government had no information of

636
00:32:39,200 –> 00:32:42,600
a Soviet launching on the day
and then essentially it’s just

637
00:32:42,600 –> 00:32:45,700
there’s hundreds of photos that
have been released pre and post

638
00:32:45,700 –> 00:32:49,200
us are collapse.
And there’s not one that shows

639
00:32:49,200 –> 00:32:51,800
in the ocean and Cosmonaut
training, or a launch.

640
00:32:52,100 –> 00:32:53,800
And I know what you’re saying,
they float, they are brush

641
00:32:53,800 –> 00:32:56,800
people out, right?
I was about to say that a lot of

642
00:32:56,800 –> 00:33:00,000
the photos that they have, they
do, they are on airbrush and

643
00:33:00,000 –> 00:33:01,800
showed people that were later
disappeared.

644
00:33:01,900 –> 00:33:04,800
You should it’s not in any of
them and no one else in the

645
00:33:04,800 –> 00:33:07,300
Cosmonaut training program has
ever said that.

646
00:33:07,300 –> 00:33:10,800
They worked with him weird.
Nobody else will say that they

647
00:33:10,800 –> 00:33:13,600
worked with him and so no
official documents.

648
00:33:13,600 –> 00:33:16,300
No, not even a single Paper has
ever been produced.

649
00:33:16,300 –> 00:33:20,200
That would verify him as a
cosmonaut and there’s like, no

650
00:33:20,200 –> 00:33:23,100
first-hand witness accounts.
There’s one guy who says it in

651
00:33:23,100 –> 00:33:26,400
this documentary but illusion
himself refused to get on camera

652
00:33:26,400 –> 00:33:29,100
for that documentary.
They went to Russia and he said,

653
00:33:29,100 –> 00:33:30,800
he would participate in the last
moment.

654
00:33:30,800 –> 00:33:33,400
He said no and a lot of if
people are saying he was worried

655
00:33:33,400 –> 00:33:36,000
about and this is 99.
So it’s not like he’s worried

656
00:33:36,000 –> 00:33:39,600
about retribution from the KGB
or something.

657
00:33:40,100 –> 00:33:43,600
Well, he’s an old man and tons
of people hang out and said

658
00:33:43,600 –> 00:33:47,100
things that were, you know.
But that was, that was at a

659
00:33:47,100 –> 00:33:51,600
point where.
Yeah, it was at a point where

660
00:33:51,600 –> 00:33:58,100
Russia was still, they were sort
of transitioning from they had

661
00:33:58,100 –> 00:34:01,400
that period where they were
really open and honest about how

662
00:34:01,400 –> 00:34:04,500
their government It worked.
Yeah, and that happened like

663
00:34:04,500 –> 00:34:07,800
kind of under the Boris Yeltsin
rain in toward the end of that.

664
00:34:07,800 –> 00:34:10,400
It was a glass.
Know’st is openness.

665
00:34:10,400 –> 00:34:14,699
Yeah, and tore the end of that
is when Putin takes power for

666
00:34:14,699 –> 00:34:19,300
the first time like, hmm and
that all happens around 98 99,

667
00:34:19,300 –> 00:34:21,800
like around the time of the
Russian apartment bombings.

668
00:34:22,100 –> 00:34:24,100
Yes.
So it’s possible.

669
00:34:24,300 –> 00:34:27,900
He was already back into that
point in Russian history where

670
00:34:27,900 –> 00:34:31,000
they were leaning on people to
not to not talk about shit like

671
00:34:31,000 –> 00:34:32,300
this.
Possible.

672
00:34:32,300 –> 00:34:36,400
It definitely is possible but
the ocean died in 2010 and going

673
00:34:36,400 –> 00:34:38,800
to his grave claimed that he
that didn’t happen.

674
00:34:39,000 –> 00:34:41,300
You never participated in the
launch.

675
00:34:41,500 –> 00:34:42,900
Yeah, yeah.
It’s weird.

676
00:34:42,900 –> 00:34:46,300
The, the Russian the Khrushchev
thing is weird.

677
00:34:46,600 –> 00:34:49,199
The other thing that they point
to one of the things that they

678
00:34:49,199 –> 00:34:52,600
say as sort of it’s very soft
evidence.

679
00:34:52,600 –> 00:34:57,300
But Gagarin in his later life,
he didn’t live very long, he

680
00:34:57,300 –> 00:35:03,200
died in a build piloting,
Mission testing Meant as a test

681
00:35:03,200 –> 00:35:07,600
pilot in think 67 or 68.
Hmm and people find that death

682
00:35:07,600 –> 00:35:12,700
suspicious.
Yeah and any time someone dies

683
00:35:12,700 –> 00:35:16,500
in close proximity to a possible
conspiracy or an equipment made

684
00:35:16,500 –> 00:35:18,600
by the government suspicious.
Yeah.

685
00:35:18,600 –> 00:35:22,300
And people are saying that he
had developed a nasty drinking

686
00:35:22,300 –> 00:35:25,600
problem.
He was really acting depressed,

687
00:35:25,600 –> 00:35:28,600
and out of control and
reportedly threw a glass of

688
00:35:28,600 –> 00:35:31,700
champagne and fresh enough space
Jesus.

689
00:35:32,000 –> 00:35:34,600
Which these are rumors though.
There’s nothing that really can

690
00:35:34,600 –> 00:35:38,100
be couldn’t wouldn’t hold up in
court, right?

691
00:35:38,100 –> 00:35:41,700
It’s all hearsay and rumors and
some people claim that he was a

692
00:35:41,700 –> 00:35:43,600
real drunk.
Other people have downplayed

693
00:35:43,600 –> 00:35:46,600
that.
So the link there is there’s

694
00:35:46,600 –> 00:35:49,800
claiming that will, you know,
Gagarin was guilty because he

695
00:35:49,800 –> 00:35:51,800
knew we wasn’t the first man in
space.

696
00:35:52,000 –> 00:35:55,300
Yeah, it was just that guilt
eating away at him and making

697
00:35:55,300 –> 00:35:58,200
them poor that fog out like it
was, you know, fucking New

698
00:35:58,200 –> 00:35:59,700
Orleans on st.
Patrick’s Day.

699
00:36:00,000 –> 00:36:01,800
Yeah.
That’s that’s the thing with any

700
00:36:01,900 –> 00:36:04,000
They struggled to finish that
sentence you did.

701
00:36:04,000 –> 00:36:06,400
But you brought it home.
Fuck me.

702
00:36:06,500 –> 00:36:08,100
Yeah.
You brought it around.

703
00:36:08,200 –> 00:36:08,800
Sorry.
Yeah.

704
00:36:08,800 –> 00:36:11,700
You see that a lot to like that?
That’s the thing with a

705
00:36:11,707 –> 00:36:15,600
conspiracy theory is because
you’re always working with

706
00:36:15,700 –> 00:36:19,500
information that isn’t certain.
There’s details like that they

707
00:36:19,500 –> 00:36:21,000
could go either way, it could
be.

708
00:36:21,000 –> 00:36:23,500
Yeah.
Well he’s obviously something is

709
00:36:23,500 –> 00:36:26,400
eating him up inside but then
it’s like you said that he

710
00:36:26,400 –> 00:36:28,600
became an alcoholic after he
came back because he just didn’t

711
00:36:28,600 –> 00:36:29,900
feel like he had a purpose
anymore.

712
00:36:30,100 –> 00:36:31,800
Yeah it like it could be
anything.

713
00:36:31,900 –> 00:36:34,000
A thing.
And, you know, like Gagarin

714
00:36:34,000 –> 00:36:38,100
could have fucking murdered
someone and it just that was

715
00:36:38,100 –> 00:36:39,700
eating him up.
And we don’t know about that.

716
00:36:39,700 –> 00:36:43,200
Like you not like those are
tired of touring doing publicity

717
00:36:43,200 –> 00:36:43,800
shit.
Yeah.

718
00:36:43,800 –> 00:36:46,900
Like there’s, there’s any number
of things that could play into

719
00:36:46,900 –> 00:36:49,800
someone becoming an alcoholic
and dying young.

720
00:36:50,000 –> 00:36:51,600
Yeah.
Or of yeah, suffering

721
00:36:51,600 –> 00:36:55,000
depression, or of semen
publicly, not able to hold it

722
00:36:55,000 –> 00:36:57,000
together.
Although it’s not an

723
00:36:57,000 –> 00:36:58,900
international press tours.
All the fucking still letting

724
00:36:58,900 –> 00:37:01,500
him do test flights.
They didn’t let him do it until

725
00:37:01,500 –> 00:37:03,600
a long.
I’m later, they wouldn’t let him

726
00:37:05,300 –> 00:37:08,400
after he came back.
He was not put in space very

727
00:37:08,400 –> 00:37:12,100
often kind of because he was a
National Asset and a national

728
00:37:12,100 –> 00:37:14,900
hero and they didn’t want
something to go wrong and kill

729
00:37:14,900 –> 00:37:17,000
him.
Like happen to one of his best

730
00:37:17,000 –> 00:37:18,900
friend’s komarov died in an
accident.

731
00:37:19,400 –> 00:37:22,000
Oh yeah, yeah.
So there was an attempt to kind

732
00:37:22,000 –> 00:37:25,100
of Shield him from potentially
dangerous situations in that

733
00:37:25,100 –> 00:37:28,000
case to me though, I am not
convinced that Vladimir Lucien

734
00:37:28,000 –> 00:37:30,600
was the first man in space.
I’m yeah, there’s not.

735
00:37:30,600 –> 00:37:33,700
Yeah, there’s not.
Enough evidence there really to

736
00:37:33,700 –> 00:37:38,400
say one way or another?
It seems possible but also it’s

737
00:37:38,400 –> 00:37:42,200
really just as possible that it
wasn’t possible.

738
00:37:42,300 –> 00:37:47,700
Like it’s could go either way
right on this with Soviet Union

739
00:37:47,700 –> 00:37:50,300
conspiracy with the USSR
conspiracy theories.

740
00:37:50,300 –> 00:37:52,400
I feel like it’s very boy who
cried wolf type of thing, right?

741
00:37:52,400 –> 00:37:55,700
Yeah, because they’ve covered up
deaths and they’ve killed

742
00:37:55,700 –> 00:37:57,500
people.
They disappeared people and they

743
00:37:57,500 –> 00:38:00,300
done fucked up shit.
So many times before, it’s

744
00:38:00,300 –> 00:38:04,300
really hard to buy that they Do
it in these cases, right?

745
00:38:04,400 –> 00:38:09,300
And it’s, but it’s just as easy
for me because the thing about

746
00:38:09,300 –> 00:38:12,300
him not being in any of those
pictures that have become

747
00:38:12,300 –> 00:38:16,000
brittle last fires, nothing
something about that.

748
00:38:16,000 –> 00:38:19,500
Makes me feel like this story
could have also been like a

749
00:38:19,800 –> 00:38:23,600
disinformation thing that was
planted by another government.

750
00:38:23,600 –> 00:38:30,500
Maybe even us yeah to just kind
of put some some some paint on

751
00:38:30,500 –> 00:38:34,000
the story for Russia because
that’s the kind of ship like we

752
00:38:34,000 –> 00:38:37,500
do that too.
Mmm and I don’t doubt that where

753
00:38:37,500 –> 00:38:42,100
active in social media
misinformation campaigns in

754
00:38:42,100 –> 00:38:44,000
other countries.
We are for sure.

755
00:38:44,700 –> 00:38:47,500
Just like Russia is in ours and
back then.

756
00:38:47,500 –> 00:38:51,100
We were doing the same things.
Russia was doing like that

757
00:38:51,100 –> 00:38:53,900
that’s a thing that happens like
we spread in misinformation

758
00:38:53,900 –> 00:38:57,300
about countries we don’t like no
and ice is so yeah that this

759
00:38:57,300 –> 00:39:00,100
could have just as easily been.
That certainly totally could

760
00:39:00,100 –> 00:39:03,900
have been that and Gosh, I just
blanked out of that, but it is,

761
00:39:04,100 –> 00:39:08,100
it’s totally believable and it
is lacking enough official

762
00:39:08,100 –> 00:39:09,900
evidence to make it
unbelievable.

763
00:39:10,200 –> 00:39:14,000
Yeah, the thing that’s very sad
to me though, is I know it comes

764
00:39:14,000 –> 00:39:15,600
out.
Everything is so close on these

765
00:39:15,600 –> 00:39:20,800
dates, but if you fly three days
after the first man in space, I

766
00:39:20,800 –> 00:39:23,100
feel like you should still find
that to be a massive

767
00:39:23,100 –> 00:39:26,400
accomplishment, even if Yuri
Gagarin was not the first man in

768
00:39:26,400 –> 00:39:29,600
space.
Yeah, it’s 36 hours later.

769
00:39:29,600 –> 00:39:33,800
He’s in space, you know, it’s
just Yeah, that was a raise and

770
00:39:33,800 –> 00:39:35,900
I know it comes down to these
clothes because he still would

771
00:39:35,900 –> 00:39:38,300
have been first, right?
He would have been first

772
00:39:38,300 –> 00:39:40,400
successful.
But yeah, you’re saying our

773
00:39:40,400 –> 00:39:45,300
mission is to put a man in space
single orbit returned safely to

774
00:39:45,300 –> 00:39:48,800
the USSR Yuri Gagarin completed
that and Vladimir Lucien did not

775
00:39:48,900 –> 00:39:53,100
write what makes it seem
unlikely to meet?

776
00:39:53,200 –> 00:39:55,900
Did Russia have that kind of
money at the time that is

777
00:39:55,900 –> 00:39:59,800
another day and one of craft up
and it breaks down and they

778
00:39:59,800 –> 00:40:01,500
immediately have another one to
send?

779
00:40:01,600 –> 00:40:03,800
They Did not.
That’s a really good point that

780
00:40:04,100 –> 00:40:06,000
Russia did not have that kind of
money.

781
00:40:06,400 –> 00:40:08,700
I know that people are saying,
you know, they always points of

782
00:40:08,700 –> 00:40:13,100
data about how, what was it, 10
percent of the budget.

783
00:40:13,100 –> 00:40:16,300
And the 60s was put toward NASA
with the Space Race.

784
00:40:16,300 –> 00:40:17,700
Yeah.
Something like and they sort of

785
00:40:17,700 –> 00:40:21,400
believe that because Russia had
such an inveterate Russia is our

786
00:40:21,500 –> 00:40:24,700
because u.s. is our had such a
vested interest in the success

787
00:40:24,700 –> 00:40:28,100
of the Soviet space program that
they would throw any amount of

788
00:40:28,100 –> 00:40:30,400
money at it.
And there was just no sky’s the

789
00:40:30,400 –> 00:40:33,000
limit on the budget.
The Truth of the matter is with

790
00:40:33,000 –> 00:40:36,300
the Cosmos program.
It was not like the it was not

791
00:40:36,300 –> 00:40:38,200
like NASA.
They had different competing

792
00:40:38,200 –> 00:40:41,700
departments who are working on
Space related projects.

793
00:40:41,900 –> 00:40:45,700
And there’s a lot of evidence
that Khrushchev was not

794
00:40:45,700 –> 00:40:50,000
initially has crazy about
promoting the Space Race.

795
00:40:50,000 –> 00:40:53,200
As people make it sound, he was
more interested in a long-range

796
00:40:53,200 –> 00:40:55,700
missiles, icbms, right?
So he want a lot of rocket

797
00:40:55,700 –> 00:40:57,900
scientist to build missiles.
He didn’t really give a shit as

798
00:40:57,900 –> 00:41:00,100
much about, you know, the
science breakthroughs.

799
00:41:00,100 –> 00:41:01,700
And you know blah we sent a dog
too.

800
00:41:01,900 –> 00:41:03,500
It’s like black and I want to
blow things up.

801
00:41:03,500 –> 00:41:05,200
I don’t care about.
Yeah.

802
00:41:05,600 –> 00:41:11,100
So it puppy call like a but
yeah, there’s that aspect of it

803
00:41:11,200 –> 00:41:13,100
that the whole just setup of
those programs were completely

804
00:41:13,100 –> 00:41:14,400
different than they were in the
US.

805
00:41:14,400 –> 00:41:17,100
And it was not as concentrated
and was didn’t have the money

806
00:41:17,100 –> 00:41:19,100
that they would have thought
they had to reuse.

807
00:41:19,100 –> 00:41:23,900
Gagarin ‘s uniform, right?
Need to reuse regards uniform

808
00:41:23,900 –> 00:41:26,100
for part of it.
They just those things crash,

809
00:41:26,100 –> 00:41:29,800
that’s millions of dollars and
years of work just wiped out.

810
00:41:29,900 –> 00:41:31,800
Yeah.
They don’t have like, oh we Got

811
00:41:31,808 –> 00:41:35,400
an extra got an extra rocket
liner I guess she’s that one.

812
00:41:35,400 –> 00:41:38,400
Yeah that that part seems
unlikely u.s. didn’t even have

813
00:41:38,500 –> 00:41:41,400
NASA didn’t even yeah.
Like you know still don’t know

814
00:41:41,400 –> 00:41:44,200
they don’t have extra just like
oh and your spaceships blowing

815
00:41:44,200 –> 00:41:47,800
up his catastrophic to a space
program is and there was a case

816
00:41:47,800 –> 00:41:52,800
where a craft had failed to
launch and it was failing to

817
00:41:52,800 –> 00:41:57,800
lift off from the pad and they
were told that they needed to

818
00:41:57,800 –> 00:42:00,700
fix it right there on the pad.
Yeah, so all these scientists

819
00:42:00,700 –> 00:42:03,100
went out and engineers Start
working on it.

820
00:42:03,200 –> 00:42:06,100
Yeah and it blew up kill them
all but 78 people.

821
00:42:06,400 –> 00:42:09,200
So we have some other examples.
There’s other examples of

822
00:42:09,200 –> 00:42:13,200
quote-unquote loss cosmonauts
about 1959.

823
00:42:13,500 –> 00:42:17,700
So that would put us after
Sputnik before Yuri Gagarin a

824
00:42:17,707 –> 00:42:21,400
high-ranking, check communist
claim that there was many

825
00:42:21,600 –> 00:42:25,700
unofficial space shots.
And he listed that Alexei

826
00:42:25,700 –> 00:42:29,200
landowski launched inside a
converted are five a rocket and

827
00:42:29,200 –> 00:42:32,000
then he said, also these dudes
were Andre mitko Cough.

828
00:42:32,100 –> 00:42:34,600
Sergey she born and Maria Graham
OVA.

829
00:42:34,600 –> 00:42:37,100
First woman we’re hearing about
for aggressive.

830
00:42:37,200 –> 00:42:40,200
Yeah, in 59.
So this is several years before

831
00:42:40,600 –> 00:42:45,800
and in the same year 59 this
space theoretician Hermann

832
00:42:45,800 –> 00:42:49,200
oberth claim that a pilot killed
on was killed on a suborbital,

833
00:42:49,200 –> 00:42:54,900
ballistic flight and he provides
no source and this Italian news

834
00:42:54,900 –> 00:42:59,900
agency, the Continental reported
and what that means Cuban.

835
00:43:00,100 –> 00:43:03,100
Mmm.
Nice, sure, He report, they

836
00:43:03,100 –> 00:43:06,600
reported repeat the claims that
a series of Cosmonaut deaths

837
00:43:06,600 –> 00:43:10,000
that occurred in suborbital
flights and these were now being

838
00:43:10,000 –> 00:43:13,100
revealed by a high-ranking.
Check Communists they identified

839
00:43:13,100 –> 00:43:17,100
the cosmonauts as Alexei.
Landowski sorrenti should Boren

840
00:43:17,300 –> 00:43:19,800
under a milk cow and Maria
gromov.

841
00:43:19,900 –> 00:43:23,400
So not the same names, still
your Source clothes and then

842
00:43:23,400 –> 00:43:26,800
still no Source.
But this next one, this next one

843
00:43:26,800 –> 00:43:30,500
is one of my favorite.
It is a quite a stunner doozy.

844
00:43:30,600 –> 00:43:34,200
It’s a doozy of a Theory and
audio to go with it.

845
00:43:34,500 –> 00:43:37,100
Should we listen to the audio
first or do you want to describe

846
00:43:37,100 –> 00:43:39,700
it first, I’m going to tell you
where this audio is coming from.

847
00:43:39,900 –> 00:43:42,900
So there were these two
brothers.

848
00:43:42,900 –> 00:43:46,600
Who were these?
Italian Guys, I want to the

849
00:43:46,600 –> 00:43:50,600
Judah Cordelia, Brothers, the
hyphenated name judicata

850
00:43:50,600 –> 00:43:52,500
Cordelia.
It’s not a Judaica store.

851
00:43:52,500 –> 00:43:56,200
It’s Jude accordingly.
So we have these two pros and

852
00:43:56,200 –> 00:44:00,000
they have a ham radio station
kind of not Pirate Radio, they

853
00:44:00,000 –> 00:44:03,000
were amateur radio enthusiasts.
so they were kind of trying to

854
00:44:03,000 –> 00:44:08,800
hack radio broadcasts government
Communications, anything from

855
00:44:08,800 –> 00:44:12,200
NORAD, all that kind of stuff,
they were really interested in

856
00:44:12,500 –> 00:44:14,600
particularly, I think one
Sputnik launch think became

857
00:44:14,600 –> 00:44:18,500
really interested in trying to
get Space Transmissions or

858
00:44:18,500 –> 00:44:21,700
Transmissions from, you know,
base to people who were in orbit

859
00:44:21,700 –> 00:44:27,100
or the Machinery, whatever it is
not scientists, not any not in

860
00:44:27,100 –> 00:44:30,100
any way professionally involved
in Aeronautics or anything that

861
00:44:30,100 –> 00:44:33,000
they were in Italy, so they
Could have listened to the u.s.

862
00:44:33,000 –> 00:44:35,200
to but they kind of chose Russia
just because it’s closer and

863
00:44:35,200 –> 00:44:38,400
they were more secret.
So, their whole driving passion,

864
00:44:38,400 –> 00:44:41,400
was to uncover Secrets, right
transmissions.

865
00:44:41,600 –> 00:44:46,600
And they’ve submitted several
recordings that have been used

866
00:44:46,600 –> 00:44:50,000
as evidence for these and I’m or
lost cosmonauts, and we’re going

867
00:44:50,000 –> 00:44:53,300
to listen to one.
That they claimed was a young

868
00:44:53,300 –> 00:44:57,200
lady.
She was dying in space, possibly

869
00:44:57,200 –> 00:44:59,300
1961.
Possibly 1963.

870
00:44:59,500 –> 00:45:01,200
Fun times.
Here we go.

871
00:45:01,200 –> 00:45:03,800
Right here, we are. are and they
say that her name was Blue, the

872
00:45:03,800 –> 00:45:06,700
Milla even though there’s no
mention of this name on the

873
00:45:06,700 –> 00:46:12,900
tape,
Crap.

874
00:46:12,900 –> 00:46:14,600
So she is speaking Russian,
right?

875
00:46:14,700 –> 00:46:34,000
Yes.
Did he generally agree with the

876
00:46:34,000 –> 00:47:06,700
translation kind?
She’s saying, I can see a flame,

877
00:47:06,700 –> 00:47:08,600
I could see a flame.
I feel hot.

878
00:47:08,600 –> 00:47:13,100
I feel hot. 32 32 41, 41.
That’s the thing we were talking

879
00:47:13,100 –> 00:47:15,900
about when Brad was translating.
He was like, she’s definitely

880
00:47:15,900 –> 00:47:18,400
listing numbers.
That’s I hear he’s missing

881
00:47:18,400 –> 00:47:19,600
numbers.
I don’t know about the rest of

882
00:47:19,600 –> 00:47:25,800
this kind of mumbling.
So she saying am I going to

883
00:47:25,800 –> 00:47:28,100
crash?
Yes yes.

884
00:47:28,100 –> 00:47:29,500
I feel hot.
I feel hot.

885
00:47:29,500 –> 00:47:32,000
I will re-enter I will re-enter
I’m listening.

886
00:47:32,000 –> 00:47:41,100
I feel right.
That is the recording.

887
00:47:41,200 –> 00:47:45,900
Obviously it is garbled.
Significantly the audio quality

888
00:47:45,900 –> 00:47:50,000
not fantastic.
And yeah that’s the that’s what

889
00:47:50,000 –> 00:47:53,200
they were.
Reported to say was a female,

890
00:47:53,200 –> 00:47:56,400
Cosmonaut named the Miller who
is trying to re-enter the

891
00:47:56,400 –> 00:48:02,300
atmosphere and was burning up
and dying in 1965 Carrera,

892
00:48:02,300 –> 00:48:05,200
Dulles air, which is an Italian
newspaper publishes report of

893
00:48:05,200 –> 00:48:08,100
the brothers intercepts
including the reported death of

894
00:48:08,100 –> 00:48:11,000
a female.
Cosmonaut lost on November 10th.

895
00:48:11,000 –> 00:48:13,600
1963 fun fact.
November 10th my birthday.

896
00:48:13,900 –> 00:48:18,400
Oh nice birthday Laura right in
between a kristallnacht and

897
00:48:18,400 –> 00:48:20,300
Veterans Day.
Oh wow.

898
00:48:20,400 –> 00:48:23,200
So The brothers say that the
heart-rending voice can be heard

899
00:48:23,200 –> 00:48:25,600
reporting, increasing
temperatures at the capsule

900
00:48:25,600 –> 00:48:30,100
burns up in the atmosphere.
I mean it does not take it does

901
00:48:30,100 –> 00:48:33,000
sound like that.
It’s just a matter of whether

902
00:48:33,200 –> 00:48:35,900
it’s real true.
It is, of course.

903
00:48:35,900 –> 00:48:40,300
Yeah, that is the question.
So in 1962 and the issue of Fate

904
00:48:40,300 –> 00:48:44,200
magazine sounds very credible
you so down pops and check out

905
00:48:44,200 –> 00:48:47,100
to get, 15% off your
subscription to fate magazine.

906
00:48:47,100 –> 00:48:50,500
I imagine guys who are into like
ladies, gloves and shoes.

907
00:48:50,600 –> 00:48:54,200
You don’t know why journalism,
radio personality, Frank

908
00:48:54,200 –> 00:48:56,900
Edwards, published an article
entitled those lost Soviet

909
00:48:56,900 –> 00:48:59,200
astronauts, dude.
Say fucking Cosmonaut.

910
00:48:59,200 –> 00:49:02,000
See Jackal, right?
Which made headlines across the

911
00:49:02,000 –> 00:49:07,400
globe. 1965 Edwards book strange
world was published and it had

912
00:49:07,400 –> 00:49:11,700
it chapter titled, the first
woman in space and they sort of

913
00:49:12,300 –> 00:49:15,600
go back and say that this was.
Yeah, the first woman in space

914
00:49:15,600 –> 00:49:18,400
and well he claims it was a
married couple times is married

915
00:49:18,400 –> 00:49:20,500
couple but the the linking
Factor here.

916
00:49:20,700 –> 00:49:24,000
Is linking fact.
Is that the named Ludmilla, the

917
00:49:24,000 –> 00:49:26,200
name has just been attached to
it, but it doesn’t come from

918
00:49:26,200 –> 00:49:27,200
anywhere.
Yeah.

919
00:49:27,200 –> 00:49:29,700
There’s no, she doesn’t say the
name.

920
00:49:29,800 –> 00:49:32,300
No, in the video or in the
audio?

921
00:49:32,300 –> 00:49:36,800
No, there’s no, I’m assuming.
There’s no record of a Russian

922
00:49:36,800 –> 00:49:41,500
cosmonaut with that name, nope,
because they didn’t send a woman

923
00:49:41,500 –> 00:49:42,700
to space.
So 63.

924
00:49:42,800 –> 00:49:49,800
So they only started training
women in 6161 her, so, yeah, it

925
00:49:49,800 –> 00:49:51,600
is.
Just garbage.

926
00:49:52,200 –> 00:49:53,700
Okay here.
Okay here we go.

927
00:49:53,700 –> 00:49:56,400
This is the history of women in
space in the Cosmonaut program.

928
00:49:56,600 –> 00:50:00,200
So the director of a cosmonaut
training Nikolai, common in got

929
00:50:00,200 –> 00:50:03,400
in the idea, he got in the mood
to start training some women

930
00:50:03,700 –> 00:50:08,400
because he read in the US media
that after Uris flight and 61

931
00:50:08,400 –> 00:50:10,600
they were training female Pilots
to be astronauts.

932
00:50:10,800 –> 00:50:12,400
This.
Dude was like, oh my God, the

933
00:50:12,408 –> 00:50:14,700
Americans are going to start
putting women into space in his

934
00:50:14,700 –> 00:50:17,100
diary.
He wrote we cannot allow the

935
00:50:17,100 –> 00:50:19,200
first woman in space would be
American.

936
00:50:19,400 –> 00:50:22,200
This would be an insult.
Patriotic feelings of Soviet

937
00:50:22,200 –> 00:50:26,300
women.
So five, female cosmonauts began

938
00:50:26,300 –> 00:50:29,800
trading 63.
So they report that this woman

939
00:50:30,000 –> 00:50:34,900
was crashing in 6161, right?
Then the other guys who say that

940
00:50:35,200 –> 00:50:38,800
the high-ranking check hymen, is
he listed a woman’s name and 59.

941
00:50:38,900 –> 00:50:42,900
So it would be four years too
early, right?

942
00:50:43,400 –> 00:50:45,600
Kind of bizarre.
It’s hilarious, though that he

943
00:50:45,600 –> 00:50:47,600
really thought that the
Americans were serious about

944
00:50:47,600 –> 00:50:49,800
training women, because they
just said a woman space until

945
00:50:49,800 –> 00:50:50,900
1983.
Three.

946
00:50:50,900 –> 00:50:54,000
Yeah, this is America pal.
Yikes.

947
00:50:54,600 –> 00:50:56,500
Yes.
So those papers were saying that

948
00:50:56,500 –> 00:51:00,600
this was, you know, a real deal
and Edwards that do tranq

949
00:51:00,600 –> 00:51:02,900
Edwards who’s the right of her
fate magazine in his book.

950
00:51:02,900 –> 00:51:06,300
He claims that there was a
married couple that was in

951
00:51:06,300 –> 00:51:08,100
space.
That died in this instance, and

952
00:51:08,100 –> 00:51:12,000
their names were lyudmila and
Anatoly took off and he died in

953
00:51:12,000 –> 00:51:14,100
each.
Others arms in a manufacturing

954
00:51:14,100 –> 00:51:21,300
capsule manufacture malfunction.
Manufacturing, A second season

955
00:51:21,300 –> 00:51:25,700
of The Wire.
They got illume, Jesus kill me,

956
00:51:26,400 –> 00:51:28,700
malfunctioning capsule.
Yeah, sounds.

957
00:51:29,000 –> 00:51:33,100
So they say in 61 that a couple
stations claim that this hat,

958
00:51:33,100 –> 00:51:36,200
they got transmissions.
In this madone station, bochum

959
00:51:36,200 –> 00:51:40,700
uppsala torbert which is where
the judicature judicata got

960
00:51:40,700 –> 00:51:45,200
their names, Judah corniglia,
brother off the tongue, it

961
00:51:45,200 –> 00:51:50,100
really does the pz they said
that they got these two

962
00:51:50,500 –> 00:51:53,800
Cosmonauts in this casbolt
capsule, they say, they got this

963
00:51:53,800 –> 00:51:56,400
broadcast and then initially
they said the conditions were

964
00:51:56,408 –> 00:51:59,100
satisfactory.
And then with hesitation they

965
00:51:59,100 –> 00:52:02,400
say we go read the dials.
The signals are not clear.

966
00:52:02,600 –> 00:52:06,400
However we see nothing then
after five second Gap, a woman’s

967
00:52:06,400 –> 00:52:09,200
voice breaks and I’ll make it
and hold tight with my right

968
00:52:09,200 –> 00:52:10,700
hand.
Only this way.

969
00:52:10,700 –> 00:52:13,700
We can maintain equilibrium.
Look at the people.

970
00:52:13,800 –> 00:52:16,200
Look at the peopl.
I have it then.

971
00:52:16,200 –> 00:52:19,300
A male voice cries out here.
Here is something.

972
00:52:19,500 –> 00:52:22,400
There is something Amy, it’s
difficult.

973
00:52:22,500 –> 00:52:25,300
We not get out, the world will
never hear about it.

974
00:52:25,300 –> 00:52:28,700
It is difficult.
See that I can’t Picture People

975
00:52:28,700 –> 00:52:31,500
in there dying moments being
like the world will never hear

976
00:52:31,500 –> 00:52:33,200
her.
Like what?

977
00:52:33,300 –> 00:52:35,700
He’s, I can picture them being
like it’s hot.

978
00:52:35,800 –> 00:52:37,600
It’s hot.
I’m gonna die.

979
00:52:37,700 –> 00:52:39,200
I’m burning.
I see a flame.

980
00:52:39,300 –> 00:52:40,900
Yeah.
But they’re not going to be like

981
00:52:40,900 –> 00:52:46,600
the world will never know what
exactly the main issue that

982
00:52:46,700 –> 00:52:50,400
people have with the recordings
of the brothers do to go to.

983
00:52:50,500 –> 00:52:54,400
Cordelia brothers and their
recordings, in general the

984
00:52:54,400 –> 00:52:56,600
Russian spoken on them is pretty
shit.

985
00:52:57,300 –> 00:53:00,900
Yeah, you have to, you have to
use the information that we have

986
00:53:00,900 –> 00:53:03,100
about.
Who the cosmonauts were highly

987
00:53:03,100 –> 00:53:07,300
educated military people, right?
And these transmission, you

988
00:53:07,300 –> 00:53:09,700
can’t be dumb to go into space
like that.

989
00:53:09,700 –> 00:53:11,800
It the the two things are not
conducive.

990
00:53:11,800 –> 00:53:14,100
You have to be extremely
physically fit, extremely

991
00:53:14,100 –> 00:53:16,100
intelligent and have a military
background.

992
00:53:16,100 –> 00:53:19,800
Yeah, essentially.
So these guys and ladies were

993
00:53:19,900 –> 00:53:23,300
supposed to Soviet Air Force
pilots but on these recordings

994
00:53:23,300 –> 00:53:26,200
they don’t follow any standard
communication protocols,

995
00:53:26,200 –> 00:53:29,300
including identifying themselves
when speaking and they don’t use

996
00:53:29,300 –> 00:53:33,300
correct, technical terminology.
Yeah, that’s, that’s a pretty

997
00:53:33,300 –> 00:53:37,400
clear sign that this is a fake.
The tapes contain very poor

998
00:53:37,400 –> 00:53:42,800
Russian broken grammar.
Gibberish phrases and Russian is

999
00:53:42,800 –> 00:53:47,100
difficult because obviously
massive country very dialects

1000
00:53:47,100 –> 00:53:48,600
and stuff.
So a lot of people have

1001
00:53:48,600 –> 00:53:51,500
differing opinions about what
those Readings actually say

1002
00:53:51,700 –> 00:53:54,400
right based on you know
differences in dialects and the

1003
00:53:54,600 –> 00:53:58,200
shitty audio quality.
Fun fact, though the Judah

1004
00:53:58,200 –> 00:54:01,700
cordelia’s their sister was
learning Russian to help them

1005
00:54:01,700 –> 00:54:05,200
with translation and her level
of Russian was pretty consistent

1006
00:54:05,200 –> 00:54:09,100
with what the tape showed.
Imagine that just little sister

1007
00:54:09,100 –> 00:54:11,700
over there and they don’t they
have ins and they get a woman’s

1008
00:54:11,700 –> 00:54:12,800
voice.
So, weird.

1009
00:54:12,800 –> 00:54:15,200
And they’re supposed to be a man
in that capsule to, and you’re

1010
00:54:15,200 –> 00:54:17,800
not hearing his voice.
I don’t know.

1011
00:54:17,800 –> 00:54:19,600
I’ve not heard the one where
it’s the man in the woman.

1012
00:54:19,600 –> 00:54:22,200
I haven’t heard that.
Because I’m afraid the audio of

1013
00:54:22,200 –> 00:54:25,000
I’ve heard of it but not the.
Oh yeah, weird weird.

1014
00:54:25,000 –> 00:54:29,000
That is pretty much the case of
the the first woman in space was

1015
00:54:29,000 –> 00:54:31,800
talking about this earlier was
this woman named Valentina.

1016
00:54:31,800 –> 00:54:33,500
I’m like, I know her last name
right now.

1017
00:54:34,800 –> 00:54:38,400
She went in 63 and I got pretty
pissed.

1018
00:54:38,400 –> 00:54:41,100
This is just a side note about
conspiracy theory stuff, which

1019
00:54:41,100 –> 00:54:44,800
is watching this like Ted Talk
video of this dude talking about

1020
00:54:44,800 –> 00:54:48,400
these brothers and he’s talking
about Valentina who was chosen

1021
00:54:48,400 –> 00:54:52,000
to be the first woman in space
and He pretty much claimed that

1022
00:54:52,000 –> 00:54:57,400
she was just a factory worker,
and that she was chosen because

1023
00:54:57,400 –> 00:54:59,300
she expressed that.
She want to go to space, because

1024
00:54:59,300 –> 00:55:01,000
we bring honor to the Soviet
Union.

1025
00:55:01,600 –> 00:55:04,800
He doesn’t mention that she was
an amateur parachutist.

1026
00:55:05,300 –> 00:55:07,000
Oh wow.
That would help ya.

1027
00:55:07,000 –> 00:55:10,100
Because Soviet cosmonauts at
this time when they re-entered

1028
00:55:10,100 –> 00:55:13,000
the Earth’s atmosphere, see the
u.s. space program has the

1029
00:55:13,000 –> 00:55:17,600
advantage of Landing in water.
With all our oceans and Soviets

1030
00:55:17,600 –> 00:55:21,000
had to land in the Soviet Union
they had to land on Land, which

1031
00:55:21,000 –> 00:55:23,800
is very hard and dangerous.
So they had to parachute out of

1032
00:55:23,800 –> 00:55:27,900
the spacecraft between twenty
and ten thousand feet, ah which

1033
00:55:27,900 –> 00:55:31,400
you have to think about the
physical exhaustion in the the

1034
00:55:31,400 –> 00:55:34,200
way that it tears at your body
of going into space and then you

1035
00:55:34,207 –> 00:55:36,800
have to fucking parachute.
Yeah, that’s a lot.

1036
00:55:36,800 –> 00:55:40,200
That’s so much work.
So, the Russians were tasked

1037
00:55:40,200 –> 00:55:44,600
with finding women who could be
cosmonauts, who knew how to

1038
00:55:44,600 –> 00:55:46,000
parachute.
Mmm.

1039
00:55:46,400 –> 00:55:48,700
Yeah.
And Valentina was an amateur

1040
00:55:48,700 –> 00:55:51,200
parachutist.
She had become Um, fascinated by

1041
00:55:51,200 –> 00:55:54,700
parachuting and skydiving, and
was known to do this all the

1042
00:55:54,700 –> 00:55:57,600
time.
She was a woman who in the late

1043
00:55:57,600 –> 00:56:00,500
50s was into parachuting.
She’s pretty fucking

1044
00:56:00,500 –> 00:56:03,100
spectacular.
Yeah, it’s not like some fucking

1045
00:56:03,100 –> 00:56:06,100
bullshit Vic, Cossack whatever.
Love with a woman with a you

1046
00:56:06,100 –> 00:56:07,100
know kerchief.
Yeah.

1047
00:56:07,600 –> 00:56:09,900
Grubbing for soup.
It’s just so it’s still.

1048
00:56:09,900 –> 00:56:12,600
So insulting the way some people
talk about the Soviet Union and

1049
00:56:12,600 –> 00:56:14,800
their accomplishments.
So that’s my side note which is

1050
00:56:14,800 –> 00:56:16,500
that such bullshit.
Yeah.

1051
00:56:16,600 –> 00:56:19,000
So annoying still goes on even
people who purport to be

1052
00:56:19,000 –> 00:56:20,400
interested in debunking
misinformation.

1053
00:56:20,500 –> 00:56:24,200
Asian.
So, so what do we think about

1054
00:56:24,200 –> 00:56:26,800
lost cosmonauts?
That’s cosmonauts.

1055
00:56:28,000 –> 00:56:32,200
I don’t ya, I’m not convinced.
I’m not, there’s not enough

1056
00:56:32,200 –> 00:56:35,200
evidence out there.
That convinces me, this isn’t

1057
00:56:35,200 –> 00:56:39,100
just propaganda of some sort
rant to discredit, whatever

1058
00:56:39,100 –> 00:56:42,000
Russia did do.
I mean it’s possible that they

1059
00:56:42,000 –> 00:56:45,300
sent someone up there and fucked
up and they covered the story

1060
00:56:45,300 –> 00:56:47,300
up.
But I feel like that would be

1061
00:56:47,300 –> 00:56:51,900
more a part of American History,
like we kept Pretty close tabs

1062
00:56:51,900 –> 00:56:54,300
on the Soviet Union during this
time.

1063
00:56:54,500 –> 00:56:58,400
Yes, and I feel like if their
space program was littered with

1064
00:56:59,000 –> 00:57:02,900
instances of cosmonauts, going
into orbit and dying, I feel

1065
00:57:02,900 –> 00:57:06,200
like we’d know.
We do know about some deaths.

1066
00:57:06,400 –> 00:57:08,300
Yeah.
So why don’t we know about these

1067
00:57:08,300 –> 00:57:10,700
other ones rights of as
conclusively as we know about

1068
00:57:10,700 –> 00:57:12,600
the other ones?
Yeah, it doesn’t.

1069
00:57:12,600 –> 00:57:14,500
It doesn’t make sense.
Doesn’t make it a guard.

1070
00:57:14,500 –> 00:57:16,800
Terms doesn’t make any goddamn
sense, though.

1071
00:57:16,800 –> 00:57:19,500
Kill him.
All great album.

1072
00:57:21,300 –> 00:57:25,200
I am not I am not going to
answer this case but I do think

1073
00:57:25,300 –> 00:57:29,900
in chanterelle the lack of
knowledge about these theories

1074
00:57:30,000 –> 00:57:34,400
points to America’s in you know
Americans still to this day have

1075
00:57:34,400 –> 00:57:36,800
been kind of brainwashed by lot
of the anti-soviet propaganda

1076
00:57:36,800 –> 00:57:39,000
that we’ve been fed.
And we have huge gaps in our

1077
00:57:39,000 –> 00:57:42,000
knowledge of what the USSR did
and what they were able to

1078
00:57:42,008 –> 00:57:45,200
accomplish, you know.
Yeah, which heís, huge loves ya

1079
00:57:45,400 –> 00:57:47,800
for sure’s obviously Godless
gots monsters.

1080
00:57:48,000 –> 00:57:50,300
Absolutely, so that’s what I
took away.

1081
00:57:52,200 –> 00:57:54,700
It was fucking epic, you know,
it’s just everything on such an

1082
00:57:54,700 –> 00:57:57,500
epic scale.
It was so weird and so many

1083
00:57:57,500 –> 00:58:01,000
overlapping stories and it’s
Russia, so maybe there will be a

1084
00:58:01,000 –> 00:58:04,800
podcast about it someday.
I don’t know, I mean times in my

1085
00:58:04,800 –> 00:58:11,200
dreams and my dreams so mommy my
pockets tonight so that’s that’s

1086
00:58:11,200 –> 00:58:15,000
the lost cosmonauts the last
episode and month next week, we

1087
00:58:15,000 –> 00:58:20,300
begin an Endeavor that it’s
going to take a lot of lat.

1088
00:58:20,500 –> 00:58:24,000
Out of us, it could kill us.
It could because there’s a lot

1089
00:58:24,000 –> 00:58:27,600
to sift through, we are going to
start recapping the Ancient

1090
00:58:27,600 –> 00:58:32,200
Aliens conspiracy, which is vast
enough that there are 14 seasons

1091
00:58:32,200 –> 00:58:35,200
of a television show about it.
They are so needy for Content.

1092
00:58:35,200 –> 00:58:37,900
Do you think we could get George
to call us or whatever to come

1093
00:58:37,900 –> 00:58:40,700
in?
I think we probably could, I

1094
00:58:40,700 –> 00:58:41,500
think?
Yeah.

1095
00:58:41,500 –> 00:58:42,900
I think he probably lives in
SoCal.

1096
00:58:43,000 –> 00:58:47,800
And in terms of conspiracy
podcasts like we’re pretty big.

1097
00:58:47,900 –> 00:58:50,300
Like there’s a guy who has like
three thousand Twitter followers

1098
00:58:50,400 –> 00:58:53,100
Followers who has a fucking
serious radio show.

1099
00:58:53,100 –> 00:58:55,200
I’m sure we send them.
We know we promised them a

1100
00:58:55,207 –> 00:58:57,400
smoothie.
A couple joints will show up.

1101
00:58:57,400 –> 00:58:59,000
We’ll get him a nun.
Pop scarf.

1102
00:58:59,300 –> 00:59:03,200
Yeah like we said scarf, he can
wear so yeah we’re gonna next

1103
00:59:03,200 –> 00:59:06,200
next week.
Patreon only maybe we’ll put the

1104
00:59:06,200 –> 00:59:07,800
first one out for free.
Yeah.

1105
00:59:08,000 –> 00:59:13,700
But or snap it we’re going to be
recapping Ancient Aliens s1e one

1106
00:59:13,700 –> 00:59:15,700
baby.
Get to hear how many different

1107
00:59:15,700 –> 00:59:17,700
ways people can say the word
technology.

1108
00:59:18,200 –> 00:59:23,900
Yeah, ecology and it.
One thing you can tell about the

1109
00:59:23,900 –> 00:59:26,500
first season of Ancient Aliens
as they didn’t expect there to

1110
00:59:26,500 –> 00:59:29,600
be a season 2.
Oh no, because they pack they

1111
00:59:29,600 –> 00:59:33,900
pack a lot into season in the
episode 1 and then all of that

1112
00:59:33,900 –> 00:59:36,900
shit has its own episode God.
Good God.

1113
00:59:37,000 –> 00:59:40,400
It is it is a vast conspiracy
and I can’t wait to die.

1114
00:59:40,400 –> 00:59:42,600
It is 10 pounds of shit in a
5-pound bag.

1115
00:59:42,600 –> 00:59:44,700
It is.
Yeah, it’s control.

1116
00:59:44,800 –> 00:59:47,100
All right.
Until then we should get out of

1117
00:59:47,100 –> 00:59:48,100
here.
What do we have to plug?

1118
00:59:48,100 –> 00:59:50,200
You can follow me on Instagram
at Adam, Todd Brown.

1119
00:59:50,400 –> 00:59:54,900
Odd with one D and on Twitter,
but Twitter and like I have

1120
00:59:54,900 –> 00:59:57,000
Facebook.
But whatever.

1121
00:59:57,200 –> 01:00:00,800
Hmm fucking know.
Mmm, right on, I’m kind of

1122
01:00:00,800 –> 01:00:03,600
similar.
My handle is Crawford comic.

1123
01:00:03,800 –> 01:00:07,200
You can find me on there and
YouTube as well and you know, we

1124
01:00:07,200 –> 01:00:11,000
can have a little chitchat.
She did she did bang, bang chatt

1125
01:00:11,100 –> 01:00:13,100
little chitchat chitchat
chitchat.

1126
01:00:13,100 –> 01:00:16,000
Yeah, leave some comments.
You know rate I’d like to hear

1127
01:00:16,000 –> 01:00:19,700
what you guys think of this
since you know this is Adams gig

1128
01:00:20,100 –> 01:00:21,700
this The ship.
This is his baby.

1129
01:00:21,800 –> 01:00:24,000
It’s all of our gig.
No, I mean it took it out for a

1130
01:00:24,008 –> 01:00:26,700
spin and hopefully we brought it
back in mint condition.

1131
01:00:27,000 –> 01:00:29,400
I think we did sweet.
I think we brought it back in

1132
01:00:29,400 –> 01:00:32,700
Mentor condition, I feel good.
I feel like I Spritz this with

1133
01:00:32,700 –> 01:00:36,000
some peppermint oil and now it
is divine exactly heaven sent.

1134
01:00:36,000 –> 01:00:37,800
All right let’s get the fuck out
of here.

1135
01:00:37,800 –> 01:00:41,100
Laura let’s say goodbye, goodbye
goodbye everybody.

1136
01:00:41,100 –> 01:00:41,600
We love you.