Conspiracy! The Show The Death of MLK

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Welcome to conspiracy the show
with your host, Adam Todd Brown

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and Connor mcspadden.
Hey, everybody, Welcome to

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conspiracy the show.
I’m Adam Todd Brown.

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Who are you?
I’m Madison Shepherd, high on

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pops.
Connor still has not turned up.

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He was thrown in a black van.
Wow.

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Yeah.
He was standing on a street

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corner, well, when you’re that
pretty, it just happens not to

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blame the victim but low key,
but, you know, was that face

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Tim’s fault.
I mean now that his ass is all

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over the Internet.
His dicks all over the Internet

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kind of yeah, just yeah, naked
roast battle.

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Yeah with Keith Kerry who has
kind of an impressive deck, a

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huge one.
Yeah I had always heard rumor

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and then I saw that and I was
like, oh I that outline is quite

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large.
Yeah.

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In the pixelation I was looking.
All right, sue me.

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I looked like looks naked, rose
petal.

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You have to look like look.
Yeah.

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Why that?
Why the hell wouldn’t you?

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Exactly.
Madison has been on.

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You’ve been on the main on pops.
For rap and list cast before.

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Yeah.
And the twelve questions one.

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Oh yeah.
You were just on that.

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That’s one of the newer podcast
on the network.

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So Valenzuela and Alex Duong.
I always I always forget about

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it.
That’s fine.

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It’s so new.
I still have to get acquainted

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with it.
Look, you’re doing a lot.

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You’re doing great by the way,
you’re killing it.

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And this new podcast space is
crazy, great.

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I love it.
Yeah, I like this room.

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It took me a while to put it
together and once I was done

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putting It together.
I wanted to just move all the

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tables out and put a couch up
here so I can just hang out.

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Yeah, this is a great space but
you know, at least it keeps my

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workspace separate from my
living space.

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That is huge.
Yeah, it’s huge.

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Yeah, yeah.
So conspiracy the show.

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What is your general feelings
on?

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Can spit, what is your general
feelings?

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That doesn’t sound like good
grammar.

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Sounds like someone who so ever
been awake since 4:00 a.m.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I’ve been up for a while.

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What are your General feelings
on conspiracy Rarities, in terms

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of conspiracies.
You know, I definitely am not

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somebody who needs to dig deep
with them.

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I don’t need to go down the, the
whole of that.

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But I do think that, you know,
when given some information I

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can definitely be like, oh,
here’s what I’m told happened.

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And then I understand that
sometimes between what I’m told,

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it happened and the truth.
Sometimes, there is different

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information.
That being said, when I first

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saw loose change, Back in the
early aughts.

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Oh yeah, my mind was block a
block.

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That’s 14 when 9/11 happened so
did it, did it shit do to get?

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Do to get my my what’s fucking
blown?

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What the fuck?
No.

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So dumb I don’t know.
Well I try to do sound effects

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for that here and we’ll just do
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I’ll do the sound effect.
I wanted to do so say it one

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more time.
My mind was fucking below.

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That is Howard Dean scream and I
feel like I did it a little too

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loud.
Yeah.

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I don’t know why though?
I know why it’s not working?

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No, I don’t.
It’s still not working.

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We’re spending a little too much
time on this.

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That’s okay.
I mean so you are you watched

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Loose Change?
Yeah.

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And I think I definitely was
affected by it and it kind of

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like change my And I think that
was the first time where I was

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like, oh man, but also actually
I grew up in Dallas Texas and so

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the JFK assassination is
something that we not weirdly,

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but definitely comes up a lot.
Like, I grew up in the

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neighborhood, where the Texas
theater is.

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Where Lee Harvey Oswald?
Oh, sure.

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It didn’t so it, you know, I
used to wait for the train at

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Union Station, which is right
across from The Book Depository.

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So, I almost had suppository,
but that’s not, that would be so

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uncomfortable.
Sounds like a.

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You need a lot of lube.
Yeah.

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Yeah, a whole lot.
That’s a power bottom.

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Move to shove a whole book up
your ass.

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Oh, for sure, like your what?
Who are you trying to impress?

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And like, then it’s not even
power bottom.

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Then it’s just you like if
you’re shoving it up your own,

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that’s just power.
I mean, honestly impressed

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though.
Yeah, it’s weird, but impressed.

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Yeah, I did a show in Dallas in
2016 and I was there for a

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couple days and one of my
biggest regrets is that I never

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even thought to go down to
Dealey Plaza intake.

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Wow.
Bunch of signal, insensitive

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pictures?
Yeah, grassy knoll.

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No, I get it.
Yeah, because JFK is one of my

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favorite conspiracy theories.
Yeah.

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That one guy, I grew up next
door to a woman whose dad worked

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with Jack Ruby and the mob.
Uh-huh.

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And she had many opinions that
it wasn’t Lee Harvey Oswald and

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all this other stuff.
So even as a little kid, I think

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I knew but I also am not some,
but I’m not about to like

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fucking down that Hill.
I do I just I don’t give a shit

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that to eat about.
Yeah, except for myself and my

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cat I’ve just had good games.
Yes.

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I’ve always been fascinated with
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I call it the Golden Era of
assassinations because we were

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just killing everyone for a
little while there in the 60s.

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Bring it back, you know.
They just don’t do it.

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Like they used to anymore.
Yeah, it’s like we missed with

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Reagan and just gave up.
I mean do better crazy.

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Keep trying, damn it.
We’re talking today about one of

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What I consider part of the
golden era of assassinations

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political assassinations in this
country, which is dr.

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Martin Luther King jr.
Would you say this is like one

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of the top three assassinations
in this country of legislative

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Lincoln JFK?
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Among the most important its top
three May top five at worst.

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Yeah yeah but I feel like dr.
King had some presidential

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aspirations and had he run in
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This would be a very A different
country.

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Yeah, and I feel the same way
about Bobby Kennedy a little

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bit.
Definitely one of the.

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Yeah.
That’s why we’ll blow it out to

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five, maybe ten even.
But yeah, I’d say JFK Abraham

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Lincoln because Abraham Lincoln.
Like he got all his shit done.

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Hmm.
Before he was assassinated,

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people are just mad that he
succeeded.

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Yeah, so he got.
So that’s a little less tragic.

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Yeah.
Because at least he freed the

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slaves, first?
Yeah.

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Like the everyone else.
Dr. Kang JFK RFK.

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Malcolm X.
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Like they all had shit to do
still.

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Yeah.
And they got gunned down to said

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before they got to do it.
Yeah, too soon.

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I would argue.
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There’s a every politician.
There’s a point where it’s like,

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Now’s the Time they should be a
sassy and I mean and none of

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them were at that point put out
to pasture.

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Do you think that were being put
on a list for?

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You know, I’m certain that I’m
on a list of scientists.

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You have a podcast.
I mean yeah.

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Yeah.
I was on a list briefly because

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of who I was dating.
Oh, wow, yeah, but who are you

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dating somebody who used to his
mom?

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Was like a native activist.
And so all of our usual recorded

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and any time we went like
someplace sometimes there were

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just cars around and I thought
it was just cause he had a

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crystal meth problem that he was
making it up but it was actually

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kind of true.
You know what I mean?

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I’m like oh fuck.
This is real.

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Yeah, I’ve had the sense that I
mean I have to be on a list of

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some sort, the things I’ve
written about.

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Talked about the have been read
by.

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It’s not just that I’ve written
about him and talked about and

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they’ve been seen by a lot of
people.

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Mmm.
So yeah, probably on a list,

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somewhere, fingers crossed.
And it’s kind of tight though.

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Yeah.
I want an FBI file about me.

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I mean, yeah, I want them to
know everything.

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That’s a marker of a, like, an
American Entertainer.

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I think like, yeah.
Do you have an FBI file, right?

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They all have to write.
Yeah, most of them do half.

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There’s a fascinating website.
I tell people about all the time

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called FBI.
Vault dot-gov.

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Hmm.
Which is where the FBI uploads

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all of their Freedom of
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love this country, sometimes
ma’am.

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Yeah it’s great.
Like the the files on Elvis are

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fascinating.
I’m an Elvis truther after

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reading through the FBI file
really Elvis.

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I don’t believe he died.
When they say, I don’t believe

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the official story of his death.
Do you have a podcast episode

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about that?
Do I need to go back and listen?

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Yeah, I like em.
That’s my, my On Elvis, is that

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he joined the witness protection
program because he was involved

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in an FBI case against a
smuggling ring called the

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fraternity which that part is
not.

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That’s not like speculation
that’s in the FBI walls.

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Yeah.
Fuck it’s good times.

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Yeah.
And the thing about MLK, this

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was one of the first conspiracy
theories that I read up on and

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was like yeah I think I think
they’re up to no good here.

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But what’s frustrating about it
is, I don’t know, I don’t know

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what happened.
Yeah, like I mean, no one knows

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what happened with any of these.
That’s why they’re conspiracy

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theories and not in history,
books, or that’s a bad fucking

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reference still.
Yeah, I’m with you here with

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you, we’re listening.
But like with JFK, I have an

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idea of what happened.
Yeah, and I’ve done, I’ve done

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an episode about that.
I think Lee Harvey Oswald was

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shooting and I think the Fatal
shot that hit JFK was

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Accidentally fired by the Secret
Service.

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Hmm.
Which it’s such a perfect Theory

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because then the fact that Lee
Harvey Oswald was acting alone

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is still true, he just didn’t
land all his shots, right?

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There’s a documentary about it
called JFK, The Smoking Gun.

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That’s fantastic.
Okay, I’ll have to check it out.

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I mean, I definitely because of
the woman who lived next door

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and I mean I was kind of hearing
kind of some, you know, the mob

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stuff, the mob stuff I was like
and you know, the the, you know,

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the Kennedy family and their
bootleg and ties.

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Yeah.
Like oh my God, I’m on that side

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of things and that’s a great and
thanks Earl.

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Skakel killed JFK.
I might have that a little

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wrong.
I also don’t know him.

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I probably shouldn’t like,
Michael.

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Skakel, I believe was his name
is the Kennedy family.

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I’m talking about the the comic
I am.

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Oh, okay.
As part of the skakel family

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which is part of the Kennedy
family.

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Oh, and remember the, there was
the girl.

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In the like 80s or 90s who they
just found, Beat to Death on one

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of the Kennedy properties, and
they eventually arrested Michael

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skakel for it, got it and Earl.
Skakel is part of that Circle

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and Vanessa demanded, that I not
mention any of that.

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On the podcast we did and I
brought it up a media.

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Why the fuck wouldn’t you?
Yeah.

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So, if vanessa dies are all
skakel did it, right?

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Well, alright, we’ve had a good
run with Nene.

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Yeah.
She’s been, she’ll be mad at me

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for saying that I can you edit
that out?

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Don’t edit it out.
Like I do people like salty with

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me for saying it like that.
She’ll be fine.

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So let’s listen to Walter
Cronkite talking about the death

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of Martin Luther King jr.
Mostly because it’s just a

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thing.
I’ve never heard.

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Yeah I never watch this before.
Oh I guess I should unmute it.

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That would be the respectful
thing to do is with Walter

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Cronkite super low and Russ Hajj
in Memphis Tennessee, Dan Rather

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in New York Bernard Kalb in
Saigon Marvin Kelsey has people

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in there room and Burke went in
case on South Vietnam, is he

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doing?
Good evening, dr.

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Martin Luther, King the Apostle
of non-violence in the civil

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rights movement has been shot to
death in Memphis Tennessee.

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Police have issued an
all-points, able three minutes

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well-dressed young white man
seen running from the scene.

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Officers also reportedly chased
and fired on a radio equipped

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car.
Containing two white men dr.

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King was standing on the balcony
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tonight.
When according to an a

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companion, I’m a pause it for a
second because that thing he

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just said, About the police,
chasing, a car with two white

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men and Heredia that was radio
equipped.

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That’s one of those things I’ve
never heard that.

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Yeah.
In roulette, like, even in the

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official story, yeah, of the
assassination.

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Because all anyone ever says, is
that A well-dressed white man

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was seen fleeing the scene.
Yeah.

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And I think got into a car and
drove off but I’ve never heard

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that part.
Yeah, I didn’t even know this

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was a thing.
By the way, I had no idea that

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this was a conspiracy at all,
like I do write it.

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You invited me on this podcast
to talk about?

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It was the first I’d ever heard
of it.

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But then, once I like, you know,
it’s so anyways, I hadn’t heard

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of either what my initial
reaction, especially somebody

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who’s kind of coming to this
whole idea.

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Fresh, I don’t know where, in my
opinion, it’s a lot of

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information for it.
Number one, not being our modern

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times where everything is cell
phone and internet and ryba.

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We can get information very
quick.

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It feels like a lot of
information and for what I’m

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like why are you saying this
like yeah you know what I mean?

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I think that the same thing
happened after 9/11 where like

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you know literally there was no
station that wasn’t playing

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information about 9/11 and we
figured out all this information

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so quickly but it was also in a
way where it was like why do we

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know all of this so fast and
furious rightness?

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So it smells a little to me.
Yeah, it did.

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Why did it disappear?
And why is it Yeah.

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And this the same sort of thing
happened with Oklahoma City, we

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did an episode about that.
There’s all of these news

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reports from the day.
It was happening.

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While everything was unfolding
where they’re like, all right,

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the ATF found a second bomb in
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now, and if you go back and look
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there’s nothing mentioned about
the second bomb or any of that

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but you can like just the same
thing with this.

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You can watch actual news
reports and hear these things

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mentioned.
And but then they just kind of

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disappear from the story and
some of that could be, you know,

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just eyewitness reactions that
are wrong.

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Yeah.
Eventually fall out of the

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official story but sometimes
sometimes it’s stuff like this,

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where it’s weird.
Like there are there are weird

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circumstances around this.
So who knows?

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Let’s listen to this across the
street and the Friends words,

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the bullet exploded in his face.
Pleased to have been keeping a

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close watch over the Nobel,
Peace Prize.

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Because of Memphis turbulent
racial situation, we’re on the

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scene, almost immediately, they
rushed the 39 year, old negro

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leader to a hospital where he
died and say, Like Them All to

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Jesus, please sub.
They found everything powered.

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Plenty, watch as the murder
weapon, mayor.

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Henry Loeb has reinstated the
dusk-to-dawn curfew.

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He imposed on the city last week
March led by dr.

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King erupted in violence.
Violence Governor.

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Buford Ellington is called out
for And National Guardsmen and

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police report that the murderer
has touched off sporadic.

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At Governor Buford isn’t racist
at all Nationwide.

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Television address President
Johnson, expressed the nation’s

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shocked.
America is now, right?

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Fuck you.
You probably killed JFK.

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You son of a bitch.
Huh, not no.

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Not you.
Lyndon Johnson.

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Yeah, I mean I don’t know where
you were.

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The day JFK died.
So not even a twinkle in my

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mama’s I but my my granddad
apparently had very strong Pro

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Johnson opinions, so that’s all
I really know about him also.

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There’s a major Freeway in
Dallas called LBJ.

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Yes that’s that’s all I know.
So I don’t have opinions on it.

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So a lot of this, what we’re
going to talk about comes from a

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documentary that I’m going to
pull up just so I can get the

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title of it, which was so
spooky.

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By the way, I watch this by
myself before man came to my

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house to do a podcast and it was
Yeah it was spooky I was like I

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had this voice over is a lot.
Yeah it sound effects are a lot

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o scary it’s one of these.
Is it hit the History Channel or

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yeah Andy it feels like a late
90s History Channel you know the

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guy with too much residents in
his voice like just from the

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jump.
I mean this this has his audio

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over it and yeah it’s on a
YouTube page called the

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unredacted and it’s called
conspiracy.

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See who killed Martin Luther
King.

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And it’s, it’s kind of short.
It’s only 45 minutes.

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So go out and watch that.
But also listen to this podcast,

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and maybe you won’t even have to
go out.

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Yeah, watch that.
Yeah.

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Who’s got time to watch a
45-minute doc?

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I mean, we did it but barely.
I mean so these people don’t

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have to.
Yeah, exactly.

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So let’s talk about the official
story behind the assassination

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of MLK.
He traveled to Memphis in Art of

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striking African American city,
sanitation workers on March, 28

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1968.
He participated in a massive

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March in Memphis in support of
those same workers and it ended

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in violence and this is like the
week before he dies, right?

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Yeah.
And as soon as that happens, he

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decides I’m going to go back.
I’m going to do another March.

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And this time, it’s going to go
better and it won’t end in

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violence.
This is dumb.

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Yeah, it was a bold decision.
Equator, yeah, like, give it

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time.
So on April 3rd.

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He returned to Memphis hoping to
Stage a second more successful.

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March, his flight was delayed by
a bomb threat which at that

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point I’d have been like, all
right.

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Fuck Memphis.
It can fall into the ocean.

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These are too many bad signs,
but he carried on and made it to

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Memphis on April 3rd.
And this is when he gave his

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famous.
I’ve been to the Mountaintop

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speech which I didn’t know that
happened right before he died.

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Yeah, which is interesting on, I
actually don’t know.

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This speech is, I don’t know.
I my bad black person.

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I mean, I’m half-white.
So obviously that already tells

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you.
I had to go back and read it.

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Yeah.
And then I was like okay there’s

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that sentence that people quote
on the internet all the time.

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Was that one?
That only dark only light can do

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that?
No.

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Yes, it might be okay.
Who knows?

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You know what?
There’s a guy I used to date a

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very Political intellectual
older black men.

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Who it’s his fault?
I don’t know this.

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Yeah, it’s because I like was
like, you’re into this.

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I can’t.
I can’t also read this book

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about those.
Are the assassinations my

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grandfather was into?
Yeah, I’m sure.

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Yeah, I could newer ones.
Yeah, let’s talk about Selena.

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We should do an episode about
Selena.

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I’m sure there’s some kind of
conspiracy absolutely.

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Well, the fact that like
something yellow, Took place.

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Hmm that’s one JLo killed her.
Yeah like maybe something

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Selena’s death forced NAFTA
through I wouldn’t doubt it.

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I bet that’s it.
So around 6 p.m. he went out on

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the balcony to address some
Associates who were in the

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parking lot and this is fucking
creepy.

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His last words were to musician
Ben Branch who was scheduled to

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perform at an event that night.
And those last words were been,

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make sure you play, Take My Hand
Precious Lord.

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In the meeting tonight, play it
real pretty.

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And with that at 6:01 p.m. he
got shot in the face.

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Now was it in the face or in the
neck?

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Because like in that documentary
I think they said neck and then

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and that CBS thing they were
like in the face.

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Well, it went in through his
cheek and then went down like

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it.
Apparently severed, his spinal

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cord at one point so it moved
around, but I think it went in

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through his cheek and maybe like
down his throat.

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Hmm.
He was struck with a Day 30 at

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six bullet fired from a
Remington model 760 rifle and

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the bullet broke his jaw.
Several vertebrae, severed, his

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jugular vein and major arteries
in the process before lodging in

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his shoulder, that sounds like
some magic bullet shit.

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It was a buck, maybe there was
like it was a, you know, a

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bullet with a bunch of other
shit in it.

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But from that distance, I don’t
know if like a shotgun shell, I

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don’t know because I think this
is Rifle round, but I don’t know

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that much about guns.
My bad white person.

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Yeah, probably because you’re on
this podcast.

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Yeah, I should.
I should have more NRA knowledge

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and things of the like, so
shortly after the shot was fired

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Witnesses.
Saw a man later believed to be

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James, Earl Ray fleeing from a
rooming house across the street

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from the Lorraine Motel.
Ray had been renting a room

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there, police found a package
dumped close to the site which

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included a rifle and coolers
both with Ray’s fingerprints.

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Well, that’s damning, yeah.
But then, I mean, you’ll

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probably go on to say more about
this.

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But like, you know, none of his
like, finger prints were in the

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rest of the room, right?
The room where the shooting?

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Yeah, happened.
Yeah, but he was also kind of an

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idiot.
So it’s possible that he had

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gloves on for that but not when
he originally handled the gun in

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binoculars, maybe yeah.
This, I can’t get a feel for

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whether James or a is a smart
man.

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Dumb man or just a man of
average intelligence.

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Yeah.
Like yeah at certain points.

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He like, I don’t believe he
fired the shot that killed

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Martin Luther King jr.
But I do think he was involved

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in some way and I think he’s
been lying about a lot of it.

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Yeah, he’s involved for sure,
but to what extent?

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Mmm.
Yeah.

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I mean one time he robbed
somebody and then dropped his

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wallet with Is yakety on the way
out if he’s so he’s not the

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smartest criminal so World.
Um yeah.

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But we’ll get into that we will
and Ray had purchased the rifle

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that was found at the scene
under an alias six days earlier

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and a worldwide Manhunt ensued.
I’ve always thought this part

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was weird that they didn’t like
you would think they would have

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locked Memphis down.
Yeah.

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Soon as that happened.
Yeah, because that’s what

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happened in Dallas.
Yeah.

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I don’t know what the difference
would be.

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That would make them lockdown
Dallas but not locked.

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Memphis.
Yeah I don’t know why but yeah

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somehow he managed to get out of
town and damn near out actually

437
00:22:54,600 –> 00:22:56,600
he got out of the country
because he’s arrested at

438
00:22:56,600 –> 00:22:58,300
Heathrow Airport and all over
here.

439
00:22:58,800 –> 00:23:00,800
Yeah.
But it took two months to find

440
00:23:00,800 –> 00:23:03,700
him, he confessed almost
immediately and was sentenced to

441
00:23:03,700 –> 00:23:06,100
99 years.
In prison Case Closed.

442
00:23:06,100 –> 00:23:07,800
That’s our episode everybody.
Thank you.

443
00:23:07,900 –> 00:23:11,500
Yes, thanks for having me.
Yeah, this was really, we got

444
00:23:11,500 –> 00:23:14,300
this done a lot faster than I
thought so obviously.

445
00:23:14,300 –> 00:23:16,900
No, that’s not what happened.
Because James Earl Ray reek.

446
00:23:17,000 –> 00:23:19,000
Canted.
Almost immediately.

447
00:23:19,900 –> 00:23:22,400
I think, yeah, actually.
Three days later.

448
00:23:22,400 –> 00:23:25,200
Well, is, when he recants his
confession.

449
00:23:25,500 –> 00:23:29,300
So think about how like, by that
point, it was already too late.

450
00:23:29,400 –> 00:23:35,100
Yeah, like that’s a crazy like
even when he confessed someone

451
00:23:35,100 –> 00:23:38,900
should have been like, no, we’re
going to have a trial anyway and

452
00:23:39,300 –> 00:23:44,000
see how this goes.
But this it was kind of like

453
00:23:44,300 –> 00:23:46,100
after three days.
We were just like, all right,

454
00:23:46,100 –> 00:23:49,700
well, he’s guilty.
He So case closed, yeah, which

455
00:23:49,700 –> 00:23:53,100
honestly, three days was the
same amount of time that it took

456
00:23:53,100 –> 00:23:57,600
them to convince us at Asama Bin
Laden had done 911, right?

457
00:23:57,600 –> 00:23:59,700
I mean, so yeah, it takes that
long for this country to

458
00:23:59,700 –> 00:24:02,700
brainwash the people.
Yeah, I wouldn’t, it must be a

459
00:24:02,708 –> 00:24:04,600
3-day thing.
It’s within three days.

460
00:24:04,800 –> 00:24:08,300
I mean, you know, also, I’d
watch that documentary and I am

461
00:24:09,000 –> 00:24:11,300
maybe, I’m misremembering the
title, but called, like, the

462
00:24:11,300 –> 00:24:14,000
confession tapes on Netflix,
about sure.

463
00:24:14,000 –> 00:24:19,500
Yeah, confessions and And 100%
they course this fucking

464
00:24:19,500 –> 00:24:21,500
confession out of.
Oh yeah, guy.

465
00:24:21,500 –> 00:24:24,100
I mean if you’re of average
intelligence and you have

466
00:24:24,100 –> 00:24:29,400
literally the best police Minds
in the country, beaming down on

467
00:24:29,400 –> 00:24:33,100
right saying that we have your
fingerprints on the weapon and

468
00:24:33,200 –> 00:24:36,600
nothing, you know what I mean.
It is even if they are not 100%

469
00:24:36,600 –> 00:24:38,900
sure.
They’ll present that information

470
00:24:38,900 –> 00:24:42,000
to you in such a way that you’re
like well fuck did I.

471
00:24:42,200 –> 00:24:44,000
Yeah, you know, I mean that’s
why it’s better to be

472
00:24:44,000 –> 00:24:46,900
unapprehended by the police in
general, that’s best not get.

473
00:24:47,100 –> 00:24:49,500
Hot and don’t get caught,
whatever you’re doing, watch

474
00:24:49,500 –> 00:24:53,700
your Law and Order people.
Request a lawyer, a sadly ASAP.

475
00:24:53,800 –> 00:24:55,900
It does.
No matter how many True Crime

476
00:24:55,900 –> 00:24:59,300
shows you see where they’re like
well he asked for a lawyer.

477
00:24:59,300 –> 00:25:02,500
So we knew something was
suspicious, fuck you officer,

478
00:25:02,500 –> 00:25:07,000
get a lawyer, every lawyer,
every civil rights expert,

479
00:25:07,000 –> 00:25:10,600
everyone will tell you if you’re
taking taken into custody, just

480
00:25:10,900 –> 00:25:12,300
don’t say shit till you get a
lawyer.

481
00:25:12,300 –> 00:25:14,700
Exactly.
And that’s how you end up.

482
00:25:14,700 –> 00:25:16,200
Not being James.
Earl Ray.

483
00:25:16,200 –> 00:25:18,900
Yeah.
And just kind of a scada, what

484
00:25:18,900 –> 00:25:21,700
an oaf.
Yeah, I just think of a dummy

485
00:25:22,200 –> 00:25:24,900
just entered into a conspiracy
to kill MLK.

486
00:25:24,900 –> 00:25:26,700
Why?
We wasn’t going to shoot?

487
00:25:27,200 –> 00:25:29,700
Just don’t know.
Okay, we’ll get into the Jesus

488
00:25:29,700 –> 00:25:32,800
that I just don’t know.
I think he’s kind of you know

489
00:25:32,800 –> 00:25:35,300
like in that movie Burn After
Reading just kind of like it.

490
00:25:35,300 –> 00:25:38,000
The idiocy of the yeah.
See I just wonder.

491
00:25:38,000 –> 00:25:39,700
Okay.
It just kind of happening around

492
00:25:39,700 –> 00:25:42,300
him.
He later said through his new

493
00:25:42,300 –> 00:25:45,700
attorney Jack Kershaw that
although he did not quote

494
00:25:45,700 –> 00:25:49,200
personally shoot.
King he may have been and this

495
00:25:49,200 –> 00:25:52,800
is another quote, partially
responsible without knowing it.

496
00:25:52,900 –> 00:25:55,900
So just fucking say what
happened, dude?

497
00:25:56,700 –> 00:26:00,700
Yeah, I mean, it’s not that he
doesn’t say what happens.

498
00:26:00,700 –> 00:26:05,100
It’s just that there’s some
belief that maybe his version of

499
00:26:05,100 –> 00:26:07,600
the story is still leaving
things out.

500
00:26:07,600 –> 00:26:10,800
Oh, he absolutely is, he’s
covering for somebody and why we

501
00:26:10,800 –> 00:26:13,500
don’t know, right?
I think it’s, I mean, we’ll get

502
00:26:13,500 –> 00:26:15,200
to it, but I think it’s his
brothers.

503
00:26:15,700 –> 00:26:17,600
Fuck my, brother’s you?
You know what I mean?

504
00:26:17,600 –> 00:26:20,200
No fuck’em.
Like I’m about to be kit.

505
00:26:20,200 –> 00:26:22,500
Like, no, strung up for this
fuck.

506
00:26:22,500 –> 00:26:25,400
No, but there’s, you know,
there’s some criminals who are

507
00:26:25,400 –> 00:26:27,600
just like, no, I will not talk
to the police.

508
00:26:27,600 –> 00:26:29,700
I will not tell them.
You know what they say, you

509
00:26:29,700 –> 00:26:31,900
know, stitches snitches get
stitches.

510
00:26:31,900 –> 00:26:33,600
Yeah.
It’s a very you know who want

511
00:26:33,600 –> 00:26:36,400
stitches when you could be you
know when you could just spend

512
00:26:36,400 –> 00:26:39,300
the rest of your life in prison
and also just Mark like your

513
00:26:39,300 –> 00:26:42,400
name sullied by being the
murderer of the.

514
00:26:42,400 –> 00:26:45,600
Maybe one of the best civil
rights leaders ever in history.

515
00:26:46,100 –> 00:26:49,300
Yeah.
To be tough re-establishing life

516
00:26:49,300 –> 00:26:53,000
outside prison after that.
Yeah.

517
00:26:53,400 –> 00:26:55,000
For anybody in his family.
I’m sure.

518
00:26:55,400 –> 00:26:59,100
Yeah.
And so what James Earl, Ray

519
00:26:59,100 –> 00:27:03,000
claimed happened, is he blamed
everything on a man named Raul?

520
00:27:03,400 –> 00:27:07,400
Which that’s just a great name.
Yeah, cited that that name pops

521
00:27:07,400 –> 00:27:09,800
up in this conspiracy.
I felt so fake.

522
00:27:09,900 –> 00:27:11,700
You know what I mean?
Like I like this is not.

523
00:27:11,900 –> 00:27:12,900
First of all.
James.

524
00:27:12,900 –> 00:27:14,600
All right you’re an idiot.
That’s not that dudes.

525
00:27:14,600 –> 00:27:16,200
Real name?
Of course not.

526
00:27:16,200 –> 00:27:19,300
That’s not his Real name and you
just go around saying it like

527
00:27:19,300 –> 00:27:19,800
that.
Yeah.

528
00:27:19,800 –> 00:27:21,200
Come on.
You should say this was clearly

529
00:27:21,200 –> 00:27:22,500
a fake name.
Yeah.

530
00:27:22,500 –> 00:27:26,000
And he’ll look for criminals who
are like this who are using a

531
00:27:26,000 –> 00:27:28,200
fake name.
He said he was a blond-haired

532
00:27:28,200 –> 00:27:32,000
Cuban man, which I’m sure that’s
a thing, it is.

533
00:27:32,000 –> 00:27:35,100
Absolutely, I think, okay, good.
Like if you’re like a Latino

534
00:27:35,100 –> 00:27:37,400
person or actually a black
person from the Caribbean like

535
00:27:37,400 –> 00:27:40,600
you and me could be brother and
sister you don’t look completely

536
00:27:40,600 –> 00:27:42,900
physically different yet.
Yeah.

537
00:27:42,900 –> 00:27:46,100
The genetics because it was the
first stop of the slave trade.

538
00:27:46,100 –> 00:27:49,600
It’s all closed.
Spaniard and its native and it’s

539
00:27:49,600 –> 00:27:52,000
African Bloods.
Mixed up and those genetic

540
00:27:52,000 –> 00:27:55,700
intermingling for so long.
People look crazy.

541
00:27:55,700 –> 00:27:57,300
I’m not crazy, just all kind of
ways.

542
00:27:57,300 –> 00:27:59,600
You know what I mean?
Please don’t be mad at me.

543
00:27:59,600 –> 00:28:04,800
Saving people and he claimed, he
met Raul after escaping prison

544
00:28:04,800 –> 00:28:07,200
in Missouri.
And making his way to Montreal

545
00:28:07,500 –> 00:28:10,500
where he was looking for false
identification papers and that

546
00:28:10,500 –> 00:28:14,100
the Montreal Parts important.
When we talk about his false IDs

547
00:28:14,200 –> 00:28:17,200
later.
Yeah, I definitely Italy.

548
00:28:17,200 –> 00:28:18,800
Like smart man, getting a
Canada.

549
00:28:18,800 –> 00:28:21,200
Why didn’t he just like chilling
Canada forever, you know?

550
00:28:21,200 –> 00:28:24,600
Yeah.
Like, what was in the United

551
00:28:24,600 –> 00:28:26,900
States for him?
That was so important that he

552
00:28:26,900 –> 00:28:29,300
needed to go back.
I would have just been like,

553
00:28:29,300 –> 00:28:31,400
well, I’m in Canada now.
Locked up forever.

554
00:28:31,400 –> 00:28:33,800
I’m gonna steal a petty crime.
Basically.

555
00:28:33,800 –> 00:28:36,000
Right that he got.
Yeah, most of his crimes were

556
00:28:36,000 –> 00:28:39,600
just Petty crimes robbery in the
like yeah.

557
00:28:39,600 –> 00:28:44,400
And also a thing that plays into
his background and this

558
00:28:44,400 –> 00:28:46,800
conspiracy theory, not a lot of
evidence.

559
00:28:47,000 –> 00:28:50,800
Of him being a racist.
Like there’s not a lot like

560
00:28:50,800 –> 00:28:55,600
there’s no history of him
expressing racist sentiments

561
00:28:55,900 –> 00:29:00,500
right in his everyday life.
Like I’m not saying he neces,

562
00:29:00,500 –> 00:29:04,500
like I feel like back then
everyone kinda was.

563
00:29:04,500 –> 00:29:05,500
Yeah.
Just like now.

564
00:29:05,800 –> 00:29:06,400
Yeah.
Yeah.

565
00:29:06,400 –> 00:29:12,300
Just like now but like back then
it was so like it was even more

566
00:29:12,300 –> 00:29:13,400
ingrained.
Yes.

567
00:29:13,400 –> 00:29:16,800
And it is now yeah, like it was
more normal.

568
00:29:16,900 –> 00:29:19,300
Wised but he was kind of a
jailbird.

569
00:29:19,300 –> 00:29:23,700
So like it’s very possible that
he was used to hanging around

570
00:29:23,700 –> 00:29:26,800
black dudes and jail and another
the Jail’s all over.

571
00:29:26,800 –> 00:29:30,200
And so it’s possible that he
wasn’t that racist like he was

572
00:29:30,200 –> 00:29:32,700
racist for the time.
I mean he wasn’t racist for the

573
00:29:32,700 –> 00:29:34,400
time but he was racist by our
standards.

574
00:29:34,500 –> 00:29:35,500
Yeah sense.
Yeah.

575
00:29:35,800 –> 00:29:39,700
I don’t think he was racist
enough to kill uh civil Civic

576
00:29:39,700 –> 00:29:40,400
leader.
You know.

577
00:29:40,400 –> 00:29:47,300
Yeah it didn’t seem like it so
he was looking for false Papers,

578
00:29:47,300 –> 00:29:50,300
when he was in Canada, he says
Raul said he would get him

579
00:29:50,300 –> 00:29:54,100
papers if he helped him get some
materials into the United

580
00:29:54,100 –> 00:30:00,000
States, which in this
documentary, they cut from him

581
00:30:00,000 –> 00:30:03,000
saying that to all of a sudden
they’re in Memphis and he’s

582
00:30:03,000 –> 00:30:06,200
buying a gun.
So, I don’t know what happened

583
00:30:06,200 –> 00:30:10,500
between Canada and Memphis,
like, did they just travel there

584
00:30:10,500 –> 00:30:12,300
separately and then meet up
again?

585
00:30:12,600 –> 00:30:15,200
Like, it’s not really come on.
It was a, it was a buddy.

586
00:30:15,200 –> 00:30:18,100
It was a buddy, Road movie.
Come on and they just like

587
00:30:18,100 –> 00:30:21,200
gotten a little Chevy.
And ya, headed down south.

588
00:30:21,200 –> 00:30:23,200
Whoo, whoo.
Okay.

589
00:30:23,200 –> 00:30:26,000
Road Trip, movie, and Juke
joints all the way.

590
00:30:26,100 –> 00:30:28,900
Yeah, like Easy Rider.
Yeah, probably.

591
00:30:29,000 –> 00:30:31,400
Yeah, movie.
I’ve never seen neither, but,

592
00:30:32,000 –> 00:30:36,800
you know, I’ve seen that one
with the Iron Man and the dude

593
00:30:36,800 –> 00:30:39,900
from The Hangover, you know, I
really want to work in the

594
00:30:39,900 –> 00:30:42,100
entertainment industry.
I’ve really know a lot about

595
00:30:42,100 –> 00:30:45,500
Robert Downey, jr.
And Bradley Cooper know, the fat

596
00:30:45,500 –> 00:30:48,900
one.
Zach Galifianakis.

597
00:30:49,000 –> 00:30:51,000
Oh, that movie.
Yeah, that’s a buddy movie.

598
00:30:51,000 –> 00:30:52,400
Yeah.
Now I know what movie or

599
00:30:52,408 –> 00:30:54,500
something about.
So, to on Foo, Thanks for

600
00:30:54,500 –> 00:30:56,500
Everything, Julie, Newmar, okay.
I just know about certain

601
00:30:56,500 –> 00:30:58,400
cultures, and underrated movie.
It’s great.

602
00:30:59,400 –> 00:31:03,400
So Raul tells him to buy a
rifle, which James Earl Ray

603
00:31:03,400 –> 00:31:05,900
does.
And he gives the gun to Raul the

604
00:31:05,900 –> 00:31:09,000
day before the assassination.
That’s, that’s his claim.

605
00:31:09,100 –> 00:31:12,100
Yeah, as to what happened.
And the problem with this is no

606
00:31:12,100 –> 00:31:16,300
one ever saw or met Raul
outside, only James Earl Ray.

607
00:31:16,900 –> 00:31:21,300
As ever confirmed, the existence
of this rule, which makes it a

608
00:31:21,300 –> 00:31:25,300
hard hard defense to produce
that there was two, he got in

609
00:31:25,308 –> 00:31:29,200
the car with driven by somebody
that me left the hotel.

610
00:31:29,200 –> 00:31:30,400
I don’t know.
That was.

611
00:31:30,400 –> 00:31:32,100
Yeah.
In the Walter Cronkite thing I

612
00:31:32,108 –> 00:31:36,600
had never heard that he tail
white, men roll, whatever his

613
00:31:37,300 –> 00:31:40,400
situation was, he’s passing for
wife, no matter what we can

614
00:31:40,400 –> 00:31:41,400
assume.
Yeah.

615
00:31:42,600 –> 00:31:47,500
And it could they do point out
in the documentary that Wager on

616
00:31:47,600 –> 00:31:52,300
James, Earl, Ray left, the
hotel, or the, the

617
00:31:52,300 –> 00:31:56,700
boardinghouse.
The, the car he would have seen

618
00:31:56,700 –> 00:32:01,400
a police car walking out from
his vantage point, which is

619
00:32:01,400 –> 00:32:04,400
maybe what prompted him to just
drop the bag there.

620
00:32:04,800 –> 00:32:08,900
Instead of walking with the bag
to get into this car and leave.

621
00:32:09,100 –> 00:32:12,100
Because if you’re seeing getting
into the car with a big-ass bag

622
00:32:12,100 –> 00:32:15,200
of guns, that’s going to look
especially damning.

623
00:32:15,200 –> 00:32:19,500
Yeah.
But also to leave it there, I

624
00:32:19,500 –> 00:32:22,100
would go.
I would legitimately go back

625
00:32:22,100 –> 00:32:25,000
inside.
I think, and try to find another

626
00:32:25,000 –> 00:32:28,700
way to leave for somewhere to
hide those guns.

627
00:32:29,000 –> 00:32:32,100
I don’t know where I would, just
not conspire to kill Martin

628
00:32:32,100 –> 00:32:34,200
Luther King jr.
Probably be the first.

629
00:32:34,200 –> 00:32:39,000
Yeah, that would be the easiest
fix for James, Earl, Ray or

630
00:32:39,000 –> 00:32:41,900
anyone.
This is the this Raul situation

631
00:32:41,900 –> 00:32:45,900
is super weird.
And yeah, I just don’t know.

632
00:32:46,400 –> 00:32:48,700
Yeah.
That’s where I feel like he’s

633
00:32:48,700 –> 00:32:52,200
trying to convince people that
were more people involved but

634
00:32:52,200 –> 00:32:56,200
also not say exactly who is
involved.

635
00:32:56,300 –> 00:33:00,100
One of the theories.
Is that the FBI killed MLK and

636
00:33:00,100 –> 00:33:03,200
they did clean fucking hate
Martin Luther King jr.

637
00:33:03,200 –> 00:33:07,100
Yeah, I don’t know if we’ve ever
done a cointelpro episode but

638
00:33:07,200 –> 00:33:11,700
cointelpro was it was short for
counterintelligence program and

639
00:33:11,700 –> 00:33:15,100
that was just the FBI’s program
of following anyone.

640
00:33:15,100 –> 00:33:19,700
They thought might be even sort
of a threat to send to democracy

641
00:33:19,700 –> 00:33:20,900
or whatever.
Yeah.

642
00:33:20,900 –> 00:33:23,300
Just basically descent in
general.

643
00:33:23,700 –> 00:33:26,000
I mean they did it to the Black
Panther Party.

644
00:33:27,000 –> 00:33:28,300
Yeah.
Just like why the Black Panther

645
00:33:28,300 –> 00:33:31,400
Party didn’t succeed?
Is because that’s absolutely

646
00:33:31,400 –> 00:33:32,800
why.
I mean, it’s in the court

647
00:33:32,800 –> 00:33:35,100
documents and the FBI paperwork
about it.

648
00:33:35,108 –> 00:33:41,000
But yeah, yeah, there is a
really great.

649
00:33:41,000 –> 00:33:43,900
I mean, there’s a lot of really
good information about the Black

650
00:33:43,900 –> 00:33:48,900
Panthers, but the, I think one
of the best, Short versions of

651
00:33:48,900 –> 00:33:52,800
that story is there’s a PBS
documentary that came out.

652
00:33:52,800 –> 00:33:55,500
It’s like two years ago.
It’s fascinating.

653
00:33:55,600 –> 00:33:58,100
Yeah, that that one really upset
me because again, I didn’t know

654
00:33:58,100 –> 00:34:01,500
anything about that and I’d
always heard that the FBI would

655
00:34:01,600 –> 00:34:07,000
so I’m not shocked that they had
a hand in MLK’s, right?

656
00:34:07,300 –> 00:34:11,600
They sent him a letter at one
point, the famous suicide letter

657
00:34:12,000 –> 00:34:17,500
where the FBI posing as like I
think they just Just straight up

658
00:34:17,500 –> 00:34:19,199
playing.
Hey, we’re government agents.

659
00:34:19,199 –> 00:34:21,400
Yeah, I don’t know if they said
that specifically in the letter,

660
00:34:21,400 –> 00:34:24,600
but I’m sure it came through and
they were like, we’re going to

661
00:34:24,600 –> 00:34:29,000
expose your past and all of this
come on going to come out and

662
00:34:29,000 –> 00:34:32,300
they ended the letter by saying,
you know what you need to do.

663
00:34:32,699 –> 00:34:37,000
And everyone who has seen that
letter, took it as them implying

664
00:34:37,000 –> 00:34:41,699
hey you should probably kill
yourself and it’s like that is

665
00:34:41,699 –> 00:34:45,800
if the government is willing to
go to those like the things, we

666
00:34:45,800 –> 00:34:48,600
know the government.
Is done, make almost every

667
00:34:48,600 –> 00:34:52,800
conspiracy theory a little more
believable 100% because like

668
00:34:52,800 –> 00:34:56,199
MKUltra, which is a thing.
We proved happened was was a big

669
00:34:56,199 –> 00:34:59,600
fucking mind-control experiment
that lasted 30 years.

670
00:34:59,600 –> 00:35:02,400
It’s like, that was real.
Like that actually happened.

671
00:35:02,600 –> 00:35:06,600
If that could happen something
like, this could happen, 100%.

672
00:35:06,600 –> 00:35:10,200
I definitely think the
government was involved and poor

673
00:35:11,400 –> 00:35:14,800
James is a like a Patty.
I think that’s what they call

674
00:35:14,800 –> 00:35:15,400
it.
Yeah.

675
00:35:15,500 –> 00:35:18,700
And that was, that was Kind of
his claim also.

676
00:35:19,000 –> 00:35:22,200
And there’s also why he can’t
give that much information

677
00:35:22,200 –> 00:35:25,000
because the government has
protected themselves.

678
00:35:25,000 –> 00:35:27,600
So immensely, right?
Well, probably existed.

679
00:35:27,600 –> 00:35:32,000
But like yeah, I’m sure if there
was ever any evidence of this.

680
00:35:32,000 –> 00:35:34,700
It’s been shredded by now.
It’s gone.

681
00:35:34,900 –> 00:35:38,900
So yeah, the FBI, they followed
MLK constantly tapped his phone,

682
00:35:38,900 –> 00:35:41,800
send them the suicide letter.
There’s a book about this by

683
00:35:41,800 –> 00:35:45,600
Philip H Melanson called the
Merkin conspiracy, which isn’t

684
00:35:45,600 –> 00:35:48,800
it?
That’s a bad title.

685
00:35:48,800 –> 00:35:50,300
Philip.
Yeah.

686
00:35:50,400 –> 00:35:54,500
Which is apparently named after
the FBI’s investigation into

687
00:35:54,500 –> 00:35:58,000
MLK’s assassination, which
concluded that James Earl, Ray

688
00:35:58,000 –> 00:36:00,000
acted alone.
Why the fuck is it called?

689
00:36:00,000 –> 00:36:02,800
Tumor can investigate, that must
have been like the senator or

690
00:36:02,800 –> 00:36:04,400
yeah, that was memory.
Started it?

691
00:36:04,400 –> 00:36:06,600
Yeah.
And he was like, I think it was

692
00:36:06,600 –> 00:36:10,300
an FBI agent, and it was like
his, like, head of the case or

693
00:36:10,300 –> 00:36:11,500
something.
That’s what I remember.

694
00:36:11,500 –> 00:36:14,600
Now, the pube wig conspiracy.
Yes.

695
00:36:15,100 –> 00:36:17,100
And the pussy lace front.
Okay.

696
00:36:18,600 –> 00:36:21,800
And in that book, he claims the
investigation by the FBI was

697
00:36:21,800 –> 00:36:25,800
flawed, that it didn’t connect
any dots with James Earl, Ray

698
00:36:26,100 –> 00:36:30,300
and only looked at the FBI and
not the CIA or Army

699
00:36:30,300 –> 00:36:32,900
intelligence.
Yeah, both of which were also

700
00:36:32,900 –> 00:36:38,000
following and surveilling MLK at
the time like the this is the

701
00:36:38,000 –> 00:36:41,700
most Fantastical version of The
Conspiracy.

702
00:36:41,700 –> 00:36:43,900
Yes.
Because a grand conspiracy is

703
00:36:43,900 –> 00:36:46,200
what they call it I think right?
Yeah.

704
00:36:46,800 –> 00:36:50,600
And they, one of the things that
points to is that there were

705
00:36:50,600 –> 00:36:53,300
lots of witnesses who pointed to
the second floor of that

706
00:36:53,300 –> 00:36:55,500
boardinghouse.
But there were just as many who

707
00:36:55,500 –> 00:36:59,700
pointed to an area under the
window that James Earl Ray is

708
00:36:59,700 –> 00:37:02,800
supposed to have shot from sure
and they said there was someone

709
00:37:02,800 –> 00:37:05,800
crouched in the bushes and the
angle.

710
00:37:05,800 –> 00:37:10,700
James Earl Ray would have had to
shoot Martin Luther King from

711
00:37:11,200 –> 00:37:14,900
like good shots do happen but
that would have been a really

712
00:37:14,900 –> 00:37:17,600
really great shot.
Did he You have like army

713
00:37:17,600 –> 00:37:19,000
training?
Do we know?

714
00:37:19,000 –> 00:37:21,200
I don’t think so.
I don’t think there’s anything

715
00:37:21,200 –> 00:37:23,700
about him being in the milk
because yeah, it would have come

716
00:37:23,700 –> 00:37:25,600
up right there.
Like hey, he was a sharpshooter.

717
00:37:25,600 –> 00:37:27,800
Yeah.
Like Italy, or had that with Lee

718
00:37:27,800 –> 00:37:29,400
Harvey, Oswald?
Yeah, exactly.

719
00:37:29,400 –> 00:37:32,400
And yeah, with James or Ray,
there’s not any of that.

720
00:37:32,400 –> 00:37:35,200
And if you look at the window,
he did, he shot out of a very

721
00:37:35,200 –> 00:37:37,900
small window and had to stand in
a tub.

722
00:37:37,900 –> 00:37:41,300
And yeah, and he just 200 yards
away, which is the length of two

723
00:37:41,300 –> 00:37:46,400
football fields.
That’s it takes a lot to like

724
00:37:46,400 –> 00:37:48,100
you.
To be a really great shot to

725
00:37:48,100 –> 00:37:49,300
pull that off.
Yeah.

726
00:37:49,600 –> 00:37:55,700
And what’s interesting about
this theory is that basically,

727
00:37:56,000 –> 00:38:00,200
his theory is that the fucking
Army was there, the CIA was

728
00:38:00,200 –> 00:38:03,800
there and they were all in
agreement that Martin Luther

729
00:38:03,800 –> 00:38:05,900
King needed to be killed.
Yeah.

730
00:38:05,900 –> 00:38:10,000
And the mafia was part of this
and that the person who was

731
00:38:10,000 –> 00:38:13,700
going to do, the shooting was
the person the mafia hired but

732
00:38:13,700 –> 00:38:16,600
if he missed the Army was there,
too.

733
00:38:16,700 –> 00:38:22,400
To fire other shots.
So it the way this guy describes

734
00:38:22,400 –> 00:38:26,600
this conspiracy is several
different government agencies.

735
00:38:26,600 –> 00:38:30,400
All knew what their particular
job was and they were just there

736
00:38:30,400 –> 00:38:33,900
to do that and that was all
supposed to add up to Martin

737
00:38:33,900 –> 00:38:37,300
Luther King dying.
Yeah and it did.

738
00:38:37,400 –> 00:38:45,800
And that is it’s fucking crazy.
Yeah and so let’s some of the

739
00:38:45,800 –> 00:38:49,100
things One of the things, this
guy, one thing this guy brings

740
00:38:49,100 –> 00:38:53,600
up also is that prior to James,
Earl Ray’s, trip to Canada.

741
00:38:53,900 –> 00:38:56,800
He would steal identities from
like friends and Associates, and

742
00:38:56,800 –> 00:39:00,200
people, he knew answers kind of
use their name when he was, you

743
00:39:00,200 –> 00:39:03,100
know, running gallivanting
around the country committing

744
00:39:03,100 –> 00:39:07,100
crimes and shit.
But after his trip to Canada, he

745
00:39:07,100 –> 00:39:11,600
all of a sudden had access to a
bunch of really hard to trace.

746
00:39:11,700 –> 00:39:16,000
IDs of people who all looked
kind of like him.

747
00:39:16,100 –> 00:39:19,900
Yeah.
And one of those identities he

748
00:39:19,900 –> 00:39:24,600
stole was from a man named Eric,
s Gulp.

749
00:39:24,800 –> 00:39:27,100
And that’s the name.
James Earl Ray was using for

750
00:39:27,100 –> 00:39:30,700
nine months before the
assassination and their

751
00:39:30,700 –> 00:39:35,700
signatures were so similar.
The line of thinking is that he

752
00:39:35,700 –> 00:39:38,400
had access to a document or
something with this guy, Sharon

753
00:39:38,400 –> 00:39:40,800
sure that he could copy his
signature.

754
00:39:41,200 –> 00:39:44,600
And we come to find out that
Eric Galt was a security cleared

755
00:39:44,600 –> 00:39:48,600
employee of the US government.
Working at a Union Carbide

756
00:39:48,600 –> 00:39:52,900
plant, which that could very
well, be us intelligence going.

757
00:39:52,900 –> 00:39:54,300
Alright.
This guy looks like James, Earl

758
00:39:54,300 –> 00:39:56,400
Ray.
Let’s just get his file out for

759
00:39:56,400 –> 00:39:57,800
a few days and then we’ll put it
back.

760
00:39:57,900 –> 00:39:59,400
Yeah.
And who the fuck would know?

761
00:39:59,600 –> 00:40:02,000
Yep.
Yes sir.

762
00:40:02,100 –> 00:40:06,900
So this Melanson guy thinks Not
only was re not the only shooter

763
00:40:06,900 –> 00:40:11,000
but probably not one of the
shooters at all and he brings up

764
00:40:11,000 –> 00:40:14,000
a really great question.
Who would know more?

765
00:40:14,400 –> 00:40:16,500
Who would be more likely to know
that Martin Luther?

766
00:40:16,700 –> 00:40:21,000
King was going to emerge from
that hotel room at 6, p.m. the

767
00:40:21,200 –> 00:40:25,000
intelligence agencies that have
we’ve documented, were following

768
00:40:25,000 –> 00:40:29,300
him at the time or fucking Rogue
criminal, who just happened to

769
00:40:29,300 –> 00:40:31,500
blow into town on a stolen
identity.

770
00:40:31,800 –> 00:40:34,700
Like the government’s going to
be the one to know.

771
00:40:34,700 –> 00:40:37,600
Hey, assemble at 6:00.
That’s when yeah, his agenda

772
00:40:37,600 –> 00:40:39,800
says he’s leaving.
Yeah, well, they could hear it

773
00:40:39,800 –> 00:40:41,400
because they’re tapping every,
right?

774
00:40:41,400 –> 00:40:44,000
All of his rooms are tapped
before he even gets in them, his

775
00:40:44,000 –> 00:40:50,700
phone conversations.
It’s I mean I find it hard to

776
00:40:50,700 –> 00:40:54,000
believe that the government
wasn’t involved and that somehow

777
00:40:54,600 –> 00:40:57,400
hired.
James Earl Ray to do it.

778
00:40:57,700 –> 00:41:00,000
Yeah.
Or at least be the fall man for

779
00:41:00,000 –> 00:41:04,700
it, right?
And then there’s the mob which

780
00:41:04,700 –> 00:41:08,900
is also part of the the previous
conspiracy is that the mob was

781
00:41:08,900 –> 00:41:13,000
in on it also.
And there’s a lawyer named

782
00:41:13,000 –> 00:41:15,800
William pepper who thinks the
chances of James Earl Ray

783
00:41:15,800 –> 00:41:18,000
pulling this.
Off alone are very slim.

784
00:41:19,100 –> 00:41:21,500
As you mentioned earlier, he was
a criminal but he was in an

785
00:41:21,500 –> 00:41:24,000
in-depth criminal, right?
And also like I mean there’s a

786
00:41:24,008 –> 00:41:26,900
thing, you know, base this is
based on all my years of

787
00:41:27,100 –> 00:41:31,300
listening to True Crime sure
podcast and documentaries.

788
00:41:32,400 –> 00:41:35,700
I’d say there’s a big difference
between somebody who commits

789
00:41:35,700 –> 00:41:40,700
nonviolent and violent crimes
and even like, let’s say James I

790
00:41:40,707 –> 00:41:43,900
mean for based on this is I’m
not Googling it because like why

791
00:41:43,900 –> 00:41:46,300
be right about something when I
could just kind of you know No

792
00:41:46,300 –> 00:41:47,600
guess work.
Absolutely.

793
00:41:47,600 –> 00:41:49,700
Yeah, well have facts when I
could just guess are people

794
00:41:49,700 –> 00:41:52,000
going to comment on if we don’t
get some shit right?

795
00:41:53,500 –> 00:41:58,100
But I would venture to say that
James, Earl Ray did like

796
00:41:58,100 –> 00:42:00,400
robberies and stuff and maybe
they’re what.

797
00:42:00,400 –> 00:42:02,000
I don’t know if they were armed
robberies.

798
00:42:02,000 –> 00:42:05,000
Even and that’s a big difference
between doing an armed robbery

799
00:42:05,000 –> 00:42:07,800
and flashing, a gun and armed
robbery and actually like

800
00:42:07,800 –> 00:42:10,600
shooting at somebody.
And I don’t think he had like

801
00:42:10,600 –> 00:42:12,400
attempted murders or anything
like that.

802
00:42:12,400 –> 00:42:16,100
And I don’t know that he based
on his age, I don’t know that he

803
00:42:16,300 –> 00:42:20,000
You won’t was in the military.
It doesn’t seem like he was that

804
00:42:20,000 –> 00:42:23,300
does it would absolutely come up
that if he was in the military

805
00:42:23,300 –> 00:42:24,800
it we would know that.
Yeah.

806
00:42:24,900 –> 00:42:28,200
So I just kind of think that
it’s not even it doesn’t fit his

807
00:42:28,200 –> 00:42:32,900
criminal profile to yeah.
Like if we’re just looking at

808
00:42:32,900 –> 00:42:36,600
who he is, if we were to take, I
read that book, mine hunter, you

809
00:42:36,600 –> 00:42:37,900
know what I mean?
Sure.

810
00:42:37,900 –> 00:42:41,800
So I just don’t really know.
Now, I’m an expert on, you know,

811
00:42:42,100 –> 00:42:45,300
Murder profiles.
I just don’t think that he fits

812
00:42:45,300 –> 00:42:46,700
the profile.
Or it.

813
00:42:46,700 –> 00:42:50,000
That’s in all honesty.
It’s such a big leap from Petty,

814
00:42:50,000 –> 00:42:53,200
criminal to killing a political
leader.

815
00:42:53,300 –> 00:42:55,900
Even him fucking off to Canada
to get IDs.

816
00:42:55,900 –> 00:42:57,500
Unlike you can fucking do that
here.

817
00:42:57,600 –> 00:42:59,600
Like you didn’t mean like, you
didn’t have to call stay in

818
00:42:59,600 –> 00:43:01,100
Canada.
Yeah, you don’t have to go all

819
00:43:01,100 –> 00:43:06,300
the way to Montreal you know.
So I agree with this lawyer

820
00:43:06,300 –> 00:43:08,400
named Pepper which is such a
cute name.

821
00:43:08,400 –> 00:43:09,500
Yeah.
William pepper.

822
00:43:09,600 –> 00:43:11,400
So silly.
I went to school with a girl

823
00:43:11,400 –> 00:43:14,300
whose first name was pepper
cutie have freckles.

824
00:43:14,600 –> 00:43:16,100
I don’t remember but she was
very cute.

825
00:43:16,300 –> 00:43:18,000
She made fun of for being called
pepper.

826
00:43:18,000 –> 00:43:20,300
Then now she’s very popular.
Oh, good for her.

827
00:43:20,300 –> 00:43:23,500
Yeah, she transcended her name.
My favorite pepper is the one

828
00:43:23,500 –> 00:43:26,000
in, you know, John Waters
Cry-Baby.

829
00:43:26,000 –> 00:43:29,900
You know, his sister played by,
I don’t regulate seen that

830
00:43:29,900 –> 00:43:32,500
movie, you know, our bazooms are
our weapons.

831
00:43:32,500 –> 00:43:35,200
I may be a might be pregnant but
she fights like a man.

832
00:43:36,400 –> 00:43:39,200
Anyways, that for shouldn’t be
fighting, so she’s pregnant.

833
00:43:39,300 –> 00:43:43,700
Well, she fights like a man.
But, I mean, not, if she’s

834
00:43:43,700 –> 00:43:46,100
prepped like men, don’t get
pregnant so they should not.

835
00:43:46,200 –> 00:43:48,200
Fighting like a man.
If you’re pregnant.

836
00:43:48,200 –> 00:43:50,600
Yeah, that’s true.
There was a lot of holes in

837
00:43:50,600 –> 00:43:52,500
that.
I’m glad we hashed, I’m glad we

838
00:43:52,500 –> 00:43:54,200
fucking got for the bottom of
that dude.

839
00:43:54,800 –> 00:43:58,200
Yeah, people didn’t hear but we
talked about that for 45

840
00:43:58,200 –> 00:43:59,600
minutes.
Oh my God.

841
00:43:59,600 –> 00:44:01,800
Edited most of it did feel like
a yeah.

842
00:44:02,200 –> 00:44:06,300
So this William pepper.
He briefly worked on MLK’s

843
00:44:06,300 –> 00:44:09,700
anti-vietnam campaign, later met
James, Earl Ray.

844
00:44:09,700 –> 00:44:12,100
And was so convinced of his
innocence that he decided to

845
00:44:12,100 –> 00:44:17,600
become his lawyer.
And he claims that He uncovered

846
00:44:17,600 –> 00:44:19,400
the conspiracy.
Hmm.

847
00:44:19,400 –> 00:44:22,900
And this one is also interesting
and it’s still kind of ties into

848
00:44:22,900 –> 00:44:25,100
the previous one.
But there was a woman named

849
00:44:25,100 –> 00:44:29,300
Betty Speights, who was working
at a restaurant very near where

850
00:44:29,300 –> 00:44:32,800
Martin Luther King jr.
Was shot and she was carrying on

851
00:44:32,800 –> 00:44:35,300
an extramarital affair with her
boss.

852
00:44:35,700 –> 00:44:38,000
A man named Loyd Jowers the
Whiteman.

853
00:44:38,100 –> 00:44:40,600
Yeah, he was a white and a black
lady.

854
00:44:40,700 –> 00:44:41,700
Yeah.
Yeah.

855
00:44:41,700 –> 00:44:46,200
Which Brave probably nicely,
they’re kind of like badass.

856
00:44:46,300 –> 00:44:48,200
As Rebels like yeah, you know
what I mean?

857
00:44:48,200 –> 00:44:51,300
Except for the part, where one
of them may be shot MLK.

858
00:44:51,400 –> 00:44:53,000
Yeah.
Or at least covered it was about

859
00:44:53,100 –> 00:44:54,800
unless it had been her who did
it?

860
00:44:54,800 –> 00:44:56,900
That would have been, I would
have been like, what dun dun

861
00:44:56,900 –> 00:45:00,100
dun, what was she thinking?
And what did MLK do to her?

862
00:45:00,200 –> 00:45:03,100
I mean, yeah, but instead, it
was her fucking racist, white

863
00:45:03,100 –> 00:45:06,300
boyfriend, supposedly.
Yeah, allegedly, mmm.

864
00:45:06,400 –> 00:45:09,400
So shortly after King is shot.
She hears a commotion.

865
00:45:09,400 –> 00:45:11,900
In the back of the restaurant.
Goes to investigate and sees

866
00:45:11,900 –> 00:45:15,900
Loyd Jowers running toward her
with a still smoking.

867
00:45:16,000 –> 00:45:17,000
Shh.
Shotgun.

868
00:45:17,300 –> 00:45:21,200
She told this to no one until
she talked to William peppers in

869
00:45:21,200 –> 00:45:24,400
1992.
Imagine keeping that secret for

870
00:45:24,400 –> 00:45:30,700
that long.
Yeah, I call bullshit.

871
00:45:31,000 –> 00:45:33,500
I’m sorry.
I just the Still Smoking Gun.

872
00:45:33,600 –> 00:45:37,600
If you like, he was such a huge
figure in the hearts and minds

873
00:45:37,600 –> 00:45:40,400
of black people.
Like I have a hard time

874
00:45:40,400 –> 00:45:44,200
believing that if you knew who
actually killed MLK or had a

875
00:45:44,200 –> 00:45:47,900
thought, even if it was just
some white guy, you were, you

876
00:45:47,900 –> 00:45:49,700
know, cheating on you, yeah,
whatever.

877
00:45:49,700 –> 00:45:53,300
It, you wouldn’t keep it a
secret that not for that long.

878
00:45:53,300 –> 00:45:56,600
Certainly not, especially as
time went on, The guilds and

879
00:45:56,600 –> 00:45:59,100
like literally, when he died,
people were renting their

880
00:45:59,100 –> 00:46:03,400
clothes in the streets, sobbing
consolable like it, but it fucks

881
00:46:03,400 –> 00:46:05,700
in the heart, it’s still fucks
them hearts and Minds.

882
00:46:06,100 –> 00:46:08,600
It’s still fucks.
It’s just the hearts and minds

883
00:46:08,600 –> 00:46:11,100
of like black people in America.
I have a hard time believing

884
00:46:11,100 –> 00:46:11,800
that.
Yeah.

885
00:46:12,200 –> 00:46:15,000
But anyways, yeah, that is a
good point that she wouldn’t

886
00:46:15,000 –> 00:46:19,000
mention it to anyone no one
anyone at her pastor 24 years,

887
00:46:19,000 –> 00:46:21,500
not her therapist.
Yeah she’s not her sister.

888
00:46:21,800 –> 00:46:25,400
I know she did which is sad.
She should like he needed it

889
00:46:25,400 –> 00:46:27,700
there.
Needed to be more mental, health

890
00:46:27,800 –> 00:46:31,200
coverage in general, in the
south in the 60s, what a point

891
00:46:31,200 –> 00:46:33,700
to like low self-esteem.
Fucking somebody else’s partner

892
00:46:33,700 –> 00:46:36,500
is a like a sign of low
self-esteem.

893
00:46:36,600 –> 00:46:38,600
Yeah.
Person who is willfully getting

894
00:46:38,600 –> 00:46:40,300
engaged in that kind of
behavior.

895
00:46:40,300 –> 00:46:43,000
Yes, just saying.
And that’s from somebody who’s

896
00:46:43,000 –> 00:46:48,200
done it.
Oh, World trash world.

897
00:46:49,900 –> 00:46:53,000
So for 24 years, Loyd Jowers
claimed, he was in the

898
00:46:53,000 –> 00:46:56,900
restaurant at the time of the
shooting, but after After the

899
00:46:56,900 –> 00:47:00,500
space Revelation he admitted
that was a lie and I feel like

900
00:47:00,500 –> 00:47:03,700
Maury Povich is coming out.
Well that was determined that

901
00:47:03,700 –> 00:47:08,200
was a lie.
And what he claims is that Frank

902
00:47:08,200 –> 00:47:11,400
Liberto?
A mob-connected vegetable

903
00:47:11,400 –> 00:47:15,700
Warehouse owner that sounds as
one does, yeah, was given the

904
00:47:15,700 –> 00:47:20,500
contract to kill King and jours
claims that Liberto approached

905
00:47:20,500 –> 00:47:23,500
him about helping to carry out
the hit Roberto gives him a

906
00:47:23,508 –> 00:47:25,700
rifle and a large sum of money
jowl.

907
00:47:25,900 –> 00:47:28,500
Gives the rifle to the shooter
who he does not name that

908
00:47:28,500 –> 00:47:31,900
suspicious because you’re
already admitting you’re

909
00:47:31,900 –> 00:47:35,000
involved in the conspiracy.
Why would you leave out the name

910
00:47:35,000 –> 00:47:38,500
of the shooter either?
I could get on the one hand

911
00:47:38,500 –> 00:47:41,500
you’re trying to admit to it
without fully admitting it like

912
00:47:41,500 –> 00:47:44,900
without admitting you or the
shooter but also if you’re given

913
00:47:44,900 –> 00:47:49,200
that like you threw out the name
of the mob-connected vegetable

914
00:47:49,200 –> 00:47:52,600
Warehouse owner you might as
well name the shooter right?

915
00:47:52,700 –> 00:47:55,400
So that does make this story a
little bit.

916
00:47:55,800 –> 00:48:01,300
Catch.
I think also and this is at one

917
00:48:01,300 –> 00:48:04,500
point William Peppers presses
reporters for access to the

918
00:48:04,500 –> 00:48:09,400
sources of a claim that there
was also Army special forces in

919
00:48:09,400 –> 00:48:12,100
the area.
Hmm and they give him proof,

920
00:48:12,100 –> 00:48:15,200
which is a military memo that
calls for an accurate accounting

921
00:48:15,200 –> 00:48:18,500
of Kings whereabouts and the
assistance of local intelligence

922
00:48:18,500 –> 00:48:23,700
when the force is deployed,
which they show this memo in the

923
00:48:23,707 –> 00:48:26,100
documentary.
But also at one point It might

924
00:48:26,100 –> 00:48:28,200
be fake.
Yes that’s true.

925
00:48:28,500 –> 00:48:33,100
And I don’t know enough about
military memos to say for sure.

926
00:48:33,400 –> 00:48:35,700
Yeah.
But I do know if a real one got

927
00:48:35,700 –> 00:48:39,700
out the military would send
someone in front of a camera to

928
00:48:39,700 –> 00:48:42,700
say no, that’s fake.
Yeah, do they do that?

929
00:48:43,300 –> 00:48:46,200
There’s a I wish I could think
of the name of it.

930
00:48:46,200 –> 00:48:50,800
There is a documentary.
It might still be on Netflix but

931
00:48:51,000 –> 00:48:55,500
it’s about a guy whose sole job
he worked for the government and

932
00:48:55,800 –> 00:49:01,600
His job was if someone was
fishing around a military base

933
00:49:01,700 –> 00:49:04,400
and took pictures of something,
they weren’t supposed to take

934
00:49:04,400 –> 00:49:07,900
pictures of.
If they posted that publicly he

935
00:49:07,900 –> 00:49:09,500
would go find these people and
go.

936
00:49:09,500 –> 00:49:11,600
Okay.
Well I have some other, some

937
00:49:11,600 –> 00:49:14,900
more top secret information that
I’m willing to share with you as

938
00:49:14,900 –> 00:49:16,900
long as you, you will take it
public.

939
00:49:16,900 –> 00:49:19,800
I can’t take it public, but you
can do it and you’re already on

940
00:49:19,800 –> 00:49:23,600
to this thing and it would be
blatantly false information.

941
00:49:24,100 –> 00:49:26,800
So when they finally posted That
the government could go.

942
00:49:26,800 –> 00:49:29,300
All right?
See there on some bullshit,

943
00:49:29,300 –> 00:49:31,800
right?
Can all these fake stories and

944
00:49:31,800 –> 00:49:36,800
that was his job, right decades?
Wow, with the government like

945
00:49:36,800 –> 00:49:40,700
that documentary closes with him
just walking around a UFO

946
00:49:40,700 –> 00:49:45,100
convention in Las Vegas.
That’s like if those people

947
00:49:45,100 –> 00:49:47,200
alone, let them post their
videos.

948
00:49:47,200 –> 00:49:49,500
You mobster also write as it
turned out.

949
00:49:49,500 –> 00:49:51,800
I mean, you know oh yeah, yeah,
that was real.

950
00:49:51,800 –> 00:49:53,400
I think we talked about that on
the yeah.

951
00:49:53,400 –> 00:49:54,600
Yeah.
How we all found out.

952
00:49:54,600 –> 00:49:58,200
And we were just like Not now
fine mon yeah I’m back in here.

953
00:49:58,400 –> 00:50:03,000
So he also kind of plays into
the theory that there were a lot

954
00:50:03,000 –> 00:50:08,400
of military and government
forces on hand that all sort of

955
00:50:09,900 –> 00:50:15,800
conspired to kill dr.
King but he also is the one who

956
00:50:15,800 –> 00:50:20,000
facilitates this meeting between
James, Earl, Ray and Dexter, who

957
00:50:20,000 –> 00:50:24,000
is Martin Luther King jr.
Son, is he son or grandson son?

958
00:50:25,000 –> 00:50:29,200
And Dexter King goes on
television after he meets with

959
00:50:29,200 –> 00:50:31,300
James.
Earl Ray and says I don’t think

960
00:50:31,300 –> 00:50:34,400
James Earl Ray killed my dad.
Yeah.

961
00:50:34,700 –> 00:50:38,500
And that’s been the family’s
claim ever since.

962
00:50:38,700 –> 00:50:42,400
Like the king family does not as
far as I know.

963
00:50:42,800 –> 00:50:45,400
At least most of them do not
believe.

964
00:50:45,400 –> 00:50:48,100
James Earl.
Ray is the one who committed

965
00:50:48,100 –> 00:50:52,600
this murder.
And what’s really interesting

966
00:50:52,600 –> 00:50:55,300
will close on this.
Yeah.

967
00:50:56,000 –> 00:51:01,000
What’s there is also talk of a
racist cabal as they call it in

968
00:51:01,000 –> 00:51:03,100
the documentary, but know what
the fuck it’s all is?

969
00:51:03,100 –> 00:51:04,900
It sounds like that’s just
James.

970
00:51:04,900 –> 00:51:06,700
Earl Ray and his two brothers.
Yeah.

971
00:51:06,800 –> 00:51:10,500
And that they claimed, there was
a white nationalist group out of

972
00:51:10,508 –> 00:51:12,600
st.
Louis that, put a bounty on dr.

973
00:51:12,600 –> 00:51:15,200
King’s Head probably true.
That probably true.

974
00:51:15,600 –> 00:51:20,600
And some people do think that is
the actual story and that James

975
00:51:20,600 –> 00:51:24,500
Earl Ray and his two brothers
are the ones who committed this

976
00:51:24,500 –> 00:51:26,900
murder.
But Games are already as the one

977
00:51:26,900 –> 00:51:31,000
who got caught and he’s never
going to tell on his brothers

978
00:51:31,000 –> 00:51:34,900
but also maybe didn’t fire the
shot so he’s trying to like

979
00:51:35,700 –> 00:51:39,400
weasel his way out of prison by
proving he wasn’t the one who

980
00:51:39,400 –> 00:51:43,000
fired the shot, but also leaving
enough suspicion in the air as

981
00:51:43,000 –> 00:51:45,100
to who did it.
So he doesn’t have to implicate

982
00:51:45,100 –> 00:51:47,400
his brothers, but none of that
work because he’s dead now.

983
00:51:47,800 –> 00:51:52,000
Yeah, he died in prison, but
I’ll end on this.

984
00:51:52,000 –> 00:51:55,600
This is the most fascinating
part of the MLK.

985
00:51:55,700 –> 00:51:57,500
Eh never comes.
I’m spiritually me.

986
00:51:57,500 –> 00:51:59,100
Yeah.
It never comes up.

987
00:51:59,100 –> 00:52:02,600
And if you look it up on Snopes
Snopes, will immediately tell

988
00:52:02,600 –> 00:52:05,400
you it’s not true.
And they’re being really fast

989
00:52:05,400 –> 00:52:08,700
and loose with the definition of
false when they say that.

990
00:52:08,900 –> 00:52:16,300
What happened is The King Family
eventually sued Loyd Jowers an

991
00:52:16,300 –> 00:52:21,900
unnamed conspirators.
So black face like you know

992
00:52:21,900 –> 00:52:23,700
outlines of people with question
marks on the face.

993
00:52:23,700 –> 00:52:27,100
Yeah I do the grass.
I know people all over again.

994
00:52:27,100 –> 00:52:33,600
Yeah, and they took Loyd Jowers
and this case to civil court and

995
00:52:33,600 –> 00:52:35,200
they did it.
After James, Earl, Ray died in

996
00:52:35,207 –> 00:52:39,900
prison and all of this evidence
was presented from their side

997
00:52:40,100 –> 00:52:43,900
about government involvement and
the Loyd Jowers involvement.

998
00:52:44,100 –> 00:52:50,200
And they actually won, they won.
The civil case against Loyd

999
00:52:50,200 –> 00:52:55,600
Jowers and unnamed conspirators.
And what happens is people will

1000
00:52:55,700 –> 00:53:00,000
I sometimes say that as they sue
the government for killing

1001
00:53:00,200 –> 00:53:04,800
Martin Luther King and one when
that’s not technically true,

1002
00:53:04,800 –> 00:53:06,400
right?
Because the government wasn’t

1003
00:53:06,400 –> 00:53:09,500
named and the government didn’t
present any defense, sure.

1004
00:53:09,500 –> 00:53:13,700
But a lot of the testimony did
imply or did specifically say

1005
00:53:14,000 –> 00:53:17,200
that various government agencies
were involved.

1006
00:53:17,300 –> 00:53:23,400
And so it’s it’s not false.
It like they did take this to a

1007
00:53:23,400 –> 00:53:27,600
civil court and won.
But it’s also they won on the

1008
00:53:27,607 –> 00:53:30,700
Loyd Jowers story which seems
like one of the more

1009
00:53:30,700 –> 00:53:33,300
questionable versions of events.
Yeah.

1010
00:53:33,500 –> 00:53:37,700
But if nothing else, that should
at least give you some idea that

1011
00:53:37,700 –> 00:53:39,800
there’s something more afoot
here.

1012
00:53:39,900 –> 00:53:41,600
Yeah.
And we’ve been just Jam.

1013
00:53:41,800 –> 00:53:44,400
Yeah, I don’t think that’s
what’s so frustrating about this

1014
00:53:44,400 –> 00:53:48,800
one is we will never know, least
not in our lifetime, but

1015
00:53:48,800 –> 00:53:53,300
definitely like I 100% think
that the government there was

1016
00:53:53,300 –> 00:53:55,000
some government agency
involvement.

1017
00:53:55,000 –> 00:53:58,400
I don’t know who Ooh, and I
don’t know to what extent but

1018
00:53:58,400 –> 00:54:00,500
you know just like what I found
out about the Black Panther

1019
00:54:00,500 –> 00:54:03,000
Party was kind of a rap.
I was like oh the government and

1020
00:54:03,000 –> 00:54:06,900
also the government is known for
like stirring shit and like oh

1021
00:54:06,900 –> 00:54:10,200
yeah you know kind of if there
is some sort of organization of

1022
00:54:10,200 –> 00:54:14,200
people who are trying to like
better Society for the citizens,

1023
00:54:14,200 –> 00:54:18,000
they are known to send in things
to put a wrench in the whole.

1024
00:54:18,700 –> 00:54:22,600
Yeah operation.
So I mean you know they need to

1025
00:54:22,600 –> 00:54:24,300
protect themselves and that’s
what they do, their self

1026
00:54:24,300 –> 00:54:28,500
protecting the government.
Is a it’s probably still on

1027
00:54:28,500 –> 00:54:32,500
Amazon but it’s an interview
with Tupac when he was in prison

1028
00:54:32,500 –> 00:54:35,300
right before you Suge Knight
bailed him out.

1029
00:54:35,700 –> 00:54:39,500
And if you watch that interview
and talk about in, listen to

1030
00:54:39,500 –> 00:54:42,100
him, talk about the things he
wanted to do, when he got out of

1031
00:54:42,100 –> 00:54:45,600
prison watching that I was like,
oh, the government killed him.

1032
00:54:45,900 –> 00:54:48,300
Hmm.
Because he is saying things that

1033
00:54:48,300 –> 00:54:50,500
the government here is and goes,
oh, no.

1034
00:54:50,500 –> 00:54:54,100
Like he was talking about Black
Panther shit, basically, right?

1035
00:54:54,100 –> 00:54:56,500
And if anyone was going to bring
that back, A cat would have been

1036
00:54:56,500 –> 00:54:57,600
him Tupac?
Yeah.

1037
00:54:57,600 –> 00:55:02,200
Sure and just hearing him talk.
I just got this feeling like

1038
00:55:02,200 –> 00:55:04,700
fucked at the government.
Kill him because there’s a lot

1039
00:55:04,700 –> 00:55:09,400
of weirdness behind Tupac’s.
Yeah death there is there I

1040
00:55:09,408 –> 00:55:12,200
mentioned that FBI dot V dot gov
site.

1041
00:55:12,400 –> 00:55:15,900
If you pull up Tupac’s file
which of course the FBI had one,

1042
00:55:16,200 –> 00:55:19,800
there’s all this stuff about him
being targeted by an unnamed

1043
00:55:19,800 –> 00:55:24,100
person who is very clearly, Suge
Knight and the Jewish defense

1044
00:55:24,100 –> 00:55:28,600
league and Targeted him in an
extortion scheme.

1045
00:55:28,900 –> 00:55:31,500
Where basically he would he
started getting these phone

1046
00:55:31,500 –> 00:55:35,700
calls the death threats and he
went to Suge Knight.

1047
00:55:35,700 –> 00:55:38,100
Not realizing that Suge Knight
was working with the people

1048
00:55:38,100 –> 00:55:40,900
making these death threats and
Suge Knight was like yeah I can

1049
00:55:40,900 –> 00:55:44,600
take care of that, don’t you?
Worry about it and he like holds

1050
00:55:44,600 –> 00:55:47,600
them up and him and his family
up in the house for a day and

1051
00:55:47,600 –> 00:55:50,000
like pretends.
He’s doing all this maneuvering

1052
00:55:50,000 –> 00:55:52,600
and then finally comes to Tupac
in his like you have to give me

1053
00:55:52,600 –> 00:55:54,900
a hundred thousand dollars and
these death threats will go

1054
00:55:54,900 –> 00:55:56,100
away.
And then they, Just split the

1055
00:55:56,107 –> 00:56:02,300
money and it was him and Eazy-E
were both targeted in these

1056
00:56:02,300 –> 00:56:04,400
extortion schemes before they
died.

1057
00:56:04,800 –> 00:56:07,900
And that’s the kind of shit
that’s just hiding in government

1058
00:56:07,900 –> 00:56:13,300
records that we never ever hear
about and I haven’t looked into

1059
00:56:13,300 –> 00:56:16,300
whatever is on that site
pertaining to Martin Luther King

1060
00:56:16,300 –> 00:56:18,400
jr.
I’m assuming it’s thousands of

1061
00:56:18,400 –> 00:56:22,800
pages and would be a nightmare
to Rifle through but I guarantee

1062
00:56:22,800 –> 00:56:25,100
you there’s weirdness in there
that we haven’t heard about

1063
00:56:26,500 –> 00:56:30,700
Yeah, scary times less things
have gotten better since.

1064
00:56:31,100 –> 00:56:33,200
Have they right?
I don’t know.

1065
00:56:33,300 –> 00:56:35,700
No, they have not know.
Things are things are still.

1066
00:56:36,000 –> 00:56:39,300
I feel like we’re getting close
to another high-profile

1067
00:56:39,300 –> 00:56:41,000
assassinations.
Yeah, I agree.

1068
00:56:41,100 –> 00:56:42,200
I don’t know who it’s going to
be.

1069
00:56:42,200 –> 00:56:45,000
Could be someone in the media.
I could see that.

1070
00:56:45,000 –> 00:56:49,600
Yeah, but someone’s died and
soon I can fucking feel it.

1071
00:56:49,600 –> 00:56:52,900
Yeah, it makes me sad.
Yeah, I don’t think anybody

1072
00:56:52,900 –> 00:56:54,500
should lose their life.
Over political.

1073
00:56:54,500 –> 00:56:55,500
No leaves.
No.

1074
00:56:55,600 –> 00:56:57,000
No matter if I agree or
disagree.

1075
00:56:57,000 –> 00:56:59,700
Yeah.
And as much as people joke about

1076
00:56:59,700 –> 00:57:02,500
it in as much as we’ve edited
jokes about it, out of all these

1077
00:57:02,500 –> 00:57:04,100
podcasts, thank you for doing
that.

1078
00:57:04,100 –> 00:57:06,500
You never want your president to
be assassinated.

1079
00:57:06,500 –> 00:57:08,900
Never, that is a nightmare for
your country.

1080
00:57:08,900 –> 00:57:11,700
It’s bad for everyone.
Yeah, it’s very bad.

1081
00:57:11,700 –> 00:57:15,000
Like we, you want this to play
out in a way that doesn’t

1082
00:57:15,000 –> 00:57:19,800
involve that for sure.
So that’s our episode.

1083
00:57:20,100 –> 00:57:24,400
This is one like I normally try
and end these by saying whether

1084
00:57:24,400 –> 00:57:26,300
I agree or disagree.
Three or think this.

1085
00:57:26,700 –> 00:57:29,100
I do think there’s a conspiracy
here but I don’t know what it

1086
00:57:29,100 –> 00:57:31,000
is.
There’s just so many options.

1087
00:57:31,000 –> 00:57:32,600
Many possibilities.
I agree.

1088
00:57:32,600 –> 00:57:35,400
I think there’s a conspiracy,
but I again I do think the

1089
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government’s involved but who
knows to what extent?

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Yeah.
And what they did and we’ll

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who’s part was what?
Yeah, I mean we know why like if

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they killed him we try.
Yeah we know why we just don’t

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know how for who frustrating but
yeah I don’t think James Earl,

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Ray acted alone bumbling idiot.
So that That’s our episode.

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Thank you so much for thinking,
I really appreciate it.

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We should plug some shit before
we get out here.

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This is a free episode.
So if you’re listening to this,

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just a heads up.
You can get two bonus episodes

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of conspiracy the show.
And all the other shows, I

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co-host you get bonus episodes
of those two at patreon.com

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slash on pops, just five dollars
a month baby, that’s nothing.

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I mean just do it.
Just do it.

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And also there’s a live episode
of pretty scary at the Hollywood

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Hotel August 25th last Saturday.
This I’m up to that.

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Hmm, good times.
You can find out.

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All of my show dates, I’m going
to be doing some dates at coming

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up, in San Diego and San
Francisco soon.

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I also will be, I made two short
cartoons with Comedy Central

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digital that will be coming out
on their social media on.

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It’s part of their Saturday
morning.

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Ish cartoon series, how nice you
can follow me online to get more

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info on that at Madison Sheppard
on Twitter.

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00:58:55,900 –> 00:58:59,000
At Madison underscore Shepherd
on Instagram.

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And I think I have a Facebook
page, but I don’t use it.

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But like, throw me a like, you
know what I mean?

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Yeah, couldn’t hurt.
Yeah.

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What’s a light going to kill
Yang.

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Not gonna cost you anything.
All right, let’s get out of

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here.
Madison say goodbye.

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Goodbye.
Madison goodbye everybody.

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We love you.
People.