Conspiracy! The Show 1: The Oklahoma City Bombing

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Welcome to conspiracy the show
with your host, Adam Todd Brown

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and Connor mcspadden on this
episode, the Oklahoma City

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bombings.
Yeah, how exciting.

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I know.
First episode of a new podcast

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indeed.
It is the as of yet.

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Unnamed, a gas Theory podcast,
The Conspiracy Theory show

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podcast, something like that.
Well, that’s going to have great

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SEO just forwards.
Again, stencil accounts used in

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other Capacities.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Almost, limitlessly we are SEO.

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Experts around these parts.
Mmm.

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So I see experts.
Ha ha.

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All righty.
Yeah, I was gonna do it but

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seriously, one of the largest
attacks on American soil since

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that Pearl Harbor, if not the
eloi.

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Okay.
Yeah.

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Yeah, I think I think it’s
Oklahoma City in the 911.

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That’s pretty much it.
Yeah.

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Oklahoma City 9/11, all the
other terrorist attacks?

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Well, I guess Pearl Harbor was.
Yeah, I think that got Pearl

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Harbor.
I think, you know, it’s probably

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the biggest in Pearl Harbor and
then Nine Lives.

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The biggest sense.
Pearl Harbor.

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I don’t think anything’s Top
Pearl Harbor now.

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When the 911, more than Pearl
Harbor. 9/11 was like, 2,000

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people in Pearl Harbor.
I think was slightly more.

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Yeah, I could be wrong.
Who knows?

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And who knows.
It happened such a long time

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ago.
I have been who cares, right.

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Yeah then get over it.
Geez, it’s funny because you

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know, we December 7th a day
which will live in infamy and be

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proud of you go to Iraq.
They’re like, oh, which December

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7th?
He’s talking about, 96 97, we’re

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all pretty Infamous.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Have a good here.

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Yeah.
So yeah, we’re talking about

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this is a conspiracy theory
podcast as we said at the

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beginning because everyone knows
I’m way into conspiracy

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theories.
And as I learned from the

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intensely detailed notes which I
received the study are for this

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week’s episode.
Just at this debunking is

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obviously biased by this
person’s tenure at the universe.

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Hey, look, that I take it,
seriously.

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I know I’m excited to get into
it.

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Yeah, that’s that’s is That’s
one of my favorite things to do

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is just dig it because it’s, it
comes from working at cracked

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and having to write those just
having to mind the, the depths

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of human history for crazy
generals and times that the FBI

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did wacky shit, right?
Pretty much.

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Yeah.
And that’s, that’s what this

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Oklahoma City thing kind of
turned into but the yeah we’re

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doing doing two episodes next
week, we’re doing ancient

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nuclear war.
I know this is something, I’ll

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probably be able to talk a
little bit more cogently about

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because I got an A, in my
geology of the solar system

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class and Community College.
So, very good.

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Basically.
An expert, good good, good.

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And I bomb Federal buildings.
I’m good with you.

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Definitely have a federal
building bomber aesthetic.

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If I can say that, like, I feel
like you would definitely know

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where to get fertilizer.
The the shades in the studio are

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perpetually drawn.
Yeah.

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Yeah, it’s very, it’s very
conspiratorial, I mean, if there

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wasn’t a black and white
American flag, if there wasn’t

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so much, Nostalgic accoutrement.
I would definitely think this

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would be an excellent place to
write a Manifesto.

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Oh yeah.
For sure.

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You know, but the idea of a
giant as a much-needed load of

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note of levity to the to the
atmosphere.

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I can turn the wolf lamp on oh
yeah the wolf lamp that’ll help.

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Gives it a nice blue glow in
here.

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Yeah shines a light on the
cover-ups, shines a light on the

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truth man.
The truth is goddamn out there.

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Did you watch that Oklahoma City
documentary?

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I didn’t watch the documentary.
I read the About it.

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And yeah.
And I did some digging into that

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today.
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There’s a, there’s a documentary
right now on Netflix that people

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can go watch.
If they want to study up on the

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history of the Oklahoma City
bombing and it’s a pretty

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straightforward telling of the
events, at least the official

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explanation of events, which is
what will go through.

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First, in case P official
explanation might be a good name

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for this podcast.
Yeah, that would be a good one,

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will come up with it.
Maybe we’ll put it out to the

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people.
People.

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Oh yeah, we could ask them you
know something.

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I think piracy in the name, the
only surviving Vestige of

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democracies the Twitter poll, I
mean everything else is

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influenced by Russian Bots and
right Wikileaks.

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So I don’t know if any Russian
Bots listen to this podcast.

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That would be be pretty great.
That would be cool.

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Super had some property than
yourself some sort of algorithm

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that just scan for keywords.
Yeah, you know and then just

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retweeted our pod can just of
voted us on on the Donald Look

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yet, we passed the test.
Pune proved, is that a?

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Is that a subreddit?
That’s the big Trump subreddit?

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Yeah.
Are the Donald and yeah, it’s a

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it’s sort of funny because these
people couldn’t even that.

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It’s are the underscore Donald
not a great handle for your

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subreddit but that’s like the
big one that they all flock to,

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like, they couldn’t get our.
Trump are Donald Trump after,

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they had to settle for real
third-string, entry on straight.

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Yeah, almost no one calls him
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Yeah, I’ll also ironically.
The are the leader of the Free

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World has real in his toy.
Sir, Handel I still find that to

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be one of the most unsettling
things about his administration

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is that he could not, just get
Donald J.

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He couldn’t buy out or whatever
out of principle, the guy that

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owns that Donald Trump.
Yeah, I wonder who does own at

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Donald Trump?
I don’t know.

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I haven’t whatever that.
Maybe it’s just some dude named

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Donald Trump.
I pulled it.

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Yeah, it’s like fuck him.
He’s like, man, I’m just a

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fucking.
I’m a commercial, real estate

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agent from Nebraska.
All right, I didn’t want any

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part in this poor guy.
So, the Oklahoma City bombing

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There we one of the Articles we
went through was a timeline for

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the Oklahoma City bombing, which
was exhaustive, it starts at the

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birth.
Yeah, April 1955, Terry Nichols

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birth.
Like, I don’t need all that.

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Okay.
The quick update, the the

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Twitter handle Ed.
Donald Trump is just says to

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follow the real Donald Trump at
real Donald Trump.

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So it seems as though he’s
bought it but didn’t want to

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lose out on all this hot and
mentions, you know, if you have

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the ages and then just just
Redirected it.

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What a maniac man.
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All right.
What a goddamn Maniac.

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Yes, there’s this timeline.
The timeline is fucking

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exhaustive.
It starts April 1st, 1955 when

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Terry Nichols is born to Joyce
and Robert Nichols and Lapeer.

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Michigan.
And it goes through Terry

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Nichols, Timothy McVeigh and
Michael for TAS formative years,

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I guess you can call it the high
school stuff so that, you know,

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it’s obviously the Desert
shield/desert Storm stuff with

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Timothy’s.
Yeah, pertinent info.

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Yeah.
And there.

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Yeah.
They They do a good job of

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framing like important.
White supremacist, militia type

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activities that happened and
some of some of which have been

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which, you know, it’s
interesting because is a very

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sort of like the official
version, you know, science is

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very cut and dry, you know, like
this is according to, you know

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what the official story is what
happened.

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A lot of the things are
referencing tie into the

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conspiracy theories, like Ruby
Ridge and Waco, and all that

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goes to Elohim City that weird,
you know, white.

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Nationalist, compound.
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Have you ever seen the
documentary about that place?

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No, I haven’t.
It’s, I don’t remember what it’s

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called and I don’t know that.
It’s exactly about Ella wien

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City, but it was worse, David
Bowie song ever.

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By the way that it is.
Yeah, it was like an early 90s

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documentary.
Maybe mid 90s about skinheads

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and hate groups and they visit
Elohim City.

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Well, they’re like some of the
Pittsburgh punk rock, guys are

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into that and then one of, yeah,
it’s interesting, one of them

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got arrested and got a sec.
Change in jail afterwards.

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Yeah, it’s really, really an
interesting time in our

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conversation, I had recently
about a friend of mine, is a, is

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a nose, a Dominatrix.
And she has a lot of her clients

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are like real hardcore.
Punk rock, dudes.

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You know, she’s like, it’s
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kind of powerful.
I real estate types like you’d

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expect and then there’s like a
lot of, like, just dudes with,

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like, Dead Kennedys t-shirts and
like Mohawks.

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They’re like, all right.
I’m going to need to put on a

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diaper and shit myself while I
jerk off.

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Wow.
I wonder what?

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I wonder what that what the
psychology behind that is?

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I don’t know.
Oh, I find it interesting though

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but yeah, we’re getting away
from the point.

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So yeah, I suppose a little bit.
So yeah, they go through all of

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these things that happen during
McVeigh and for TAS kind of

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formative years.
Like like you said, Ruby Ridge,

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Operation Desert Shield, which
Timothy McVeigh actually fought

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in Waco.
See the kind of the official

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explanation for this is that
Timothy McVeigh was inspired by

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what happened at way.
Hell.

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Yeah, bomb.
And there’s a federal building

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the news footage of him like
selling those anti-government

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bumper stickers.
Yeah, to seeing.

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And he needs to like, oh, I
killed innocent people in Iraq,

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and you know, that was
government-sanctioned.

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So he was a trying to kill, you
know, DEA and ATF people.

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That might have been in the
filter Federal Building and kind

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of, you know, sideline shine a
light on the hypocrisy of the

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government.
I is what I’ve been able to

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gather some justification for
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Although, it does seem a little
convoluted as you know, is to be

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expected with some.
Who’s going to kill 100, ye

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people inin the middle of all
This after he gets out of Iraq,

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Ruby.
Ridge happens, August 21st,

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1992.
And then Waco happens.

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And this is what apparently
prompts him to start plotting to

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blow up the Federal Building.
But what’s weird to me is in

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this timeline.
It jumps from July 1994 to

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September 19 4, 1994 in July
1994.

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McVeigh is the best man at
Michael and Lori 40 as wedding

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September 13th.
Any for McVeigh begins, his plot

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to blow up the Oklahoma City
Federal Building.

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I feel like there’s some parts
missing there.

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I mean, yeah.
The one of the things I was

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reading so that he got really
into a book a novel, which was,

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you know, talking about an armed
resistance, the American

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government that involves blowing
up federal buildings, A lot of

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people think that was a yes for
his plan.

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But I mean I did to me that’s
not that it’s not a huge, I mean

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until you don’t think there’s
any pertinent like bullet points

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there aside from, you know,
whatever the gradual Elevation

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or whatever you want to call it.
Yeah you know yeah there’s

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nothing nothing that really
stands out up until if anything

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the marriage is just kind of a
fun fact.

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Yeah the Miss.
Yeah yeah.

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It’s like they’re just trying to
pad this out.

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Oh he could run more than a
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He also rented a tux July of
1994.

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So then it goes through all of
the different steps.

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They took to gather the
explosives to build this bomb

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which happens.
Mostly in October of 1994.

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What’s interesting to me is that
if unless I’m mistaken, they buy

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two, tons of ammonium, nitrate
from the same place in McPherson

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Kansas, so that means they
bought a ton of ammonium,

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nitrate.
And then they went back like,

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weeks later, like we’re gonna
need another ton of ammonium.

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Nitrate.
This guy’s like, what, what

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level of farming is this man
doing?

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Yeah.
Yeah, that didn’t raise any

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fucking red flags at all.
I guess this is probably before

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We were super scrupulous about
like yeah credit transactions or

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whatever because now I mean if
you make a couple you know late

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night 4chan searches and then
going to look at the peruse the

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wrong pages on Amazon.
You’ll get a knock at the front

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door, but in the 90s you’re just
like I yeah, I knew I have a

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farm.
That I have no proof exists.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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I also love motorcycles.
Yeah, it kind of Harkens back to

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to 911 when like different
intelligence agencies just

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weren’t Talking to each other.
Yeah.

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So like the FBI was like Hey
we’re going to get bomb, someone

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should tell the CIA.
They’re like yeah, they’ll find

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out first what?
We’re going to lose our fucking

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Edge and then we’re not going to
get the pizza party.

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That’s their job.
Yeah.

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Or like the scene in every
fucking one-hour drama where

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like the feds are here?
You know, like oh we gotta do

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this without the feds.
Yeah.

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So he they also did interesting
me.

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They stole the detonators from a
quarry.

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Yeah.
Which is kind of a punk rock

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move.
Yeah there was a lot of James

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Bond shit.
I mean there wasn’t there wasn’t

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a lot of time building this
these things all, you know,

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fairly they all happen, fairly
far apart.

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So I mean it would have, you
know, what have been impressive

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to link them all together.
But yeah, it is crazy how they

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just sort of went on that spree
of buying bomb-making shit in

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early October because all of
those purchases were finished by

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October 21st.
Real terrible coming-of-age,

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teen road trip.
Comedy you know like it’s

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driving across the country with
the Look foolish, stinky farming

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powder.
Yeah, I want to see the comedy

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version of this like the Bobcat
gold with is a correcting.

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It seems like some shitty do.
So that the, the official story

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is that after McVeigh gathered
all this equipment, he drove a

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Ryder truck to Oklahoma City by
himself and blew up the Federal

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Building in Oklahoma City.
And that’s always been the kind

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of the accepted explanation.
Is that he did it along with

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Terry Nichols who weirdly wasn’t
in Oklahoma City when the

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bombing happened?
No, but they do pretty much cite

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him as the other conspirator,
because uses, if I’m not

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mistaken, involved with the
accruing supplies, right?

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And everything, getting the
supplies together and I think

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maybe helping to assemble the
bomb.

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Yeah, but he wasn’t in Oklahoma
City, and that’s kind of where,

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where it ends later.
You know, that morning Timothy

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McVeigh got pulled over on
Interstate 35.

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You’re Perry.
Oklahoma went to jail.

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They eventually on the Firearms,
our hands.

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That’s always that’s always the
the fucking not irritating but

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the the weird thing to be.
But these new units at the

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everybody gets busted initially
for some other small craft like

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the animal license plate like
you’re gonna blow up a federal

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building like have your tags.
Yeah yeah I was driving a car

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with no license plate or it’s
like the kids in my high school

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that will get popped because the
drug sniffing dog smelled weed.

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In their back, they didn’t find
we.

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But there is a switchblade in a
porno mag and in the backpack

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and I like dude come on like,
you know, Do you smell like weed

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like just leave the switchblade
it now?

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Yeah it’s all it like when you
hear about someone, getting

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busted driving cross-country
with drugs.

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Yeah.
It’s always like they were

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pulled over for speeding.
It’s like, why the fuck are you

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speeding?
Yeah.

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Like I would go, I mean we got
these drugs in here.

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We gotta hurry.
Yeah, I would go one mile over

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the speed limit the entire time.
Yeah, so I didn’t look

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suspicious.
If I was smuggling drugs, I

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would buy a new car with cruise
control.

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She’s so I didn’t ya but you’ll
still get pulled over.

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I got pulled over twice driving
across country.

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I was it.
I was in a black Lincoln

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Navigator and we got pulled over
in Sioux Falls.

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This is your recreating, the
plot of Soul Men, The Bernie Mac

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and Sam Jackson vehicle, pretty
much as a pimp, a scar.

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That’s a, that’s a, that’s a
fucking cool road trip.

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We’re redoing that I was moving.
Okay, I was moving from New York

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to San Francisco and we drove
the whole way we took like two

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weeks and just kind of casually
drove.

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But when we were almost out of
South Dakota we were Going 5

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miles over the speed limit.
Had cruise control on a cop

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passes Us in immediately turns
on his lights, and does a U-turn

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and pulls us over for speeding.
We’re gone 5 miles over, like,

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you never get.
Pulled over for that.

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Yeah.
And I’m pretty sure it was just

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because we were in a really nice
car with New York plates.

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Yeah, I had no reason to be
there.

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Did you get a ticket?
Yeah, we got a ticket and then

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we got another ticket in Wyoming
like an hour later for the exact

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same thing.
I just a cruise control if it’s

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You know, if the speed alone is
somebody, I said cruise control

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at 74, I just fuck.
Yeah, leave it.

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That’s always my move.
Yeah, I think the worst state

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for traffic stops, worst place
to blow up a federal building.

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And other words I would say,
Arizona, Arizona.

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Oh yeah, that’s like up in
someone was explained to me how

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like they’ve basically like
stripped all like, taxes and

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regulations because it’s such a
Republican state that basically,

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the only way they have to gain
raise revenues for tickets, you

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know?
So that you have the cameras and

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everything.
I’ve gotten Pop for those just

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like every time I go.
Do a gig in Arizona, I break

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even because of some bullshit
traffic offense.

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But yeah, yeah, I’ve usually,
whenever I’ve traveled through

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Arizona, I’ve been on a train
suggestive.

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Yeah, it’s a little bit safer.
Yeah, it’s a fucking nightmare

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driving anywhere down there.
Your phone doesn’t work.

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Oh, yeah, I guess like, I took
the eighth one time from San

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Diego to Arizona.
I was so close to the Mexican

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border like I you know it shows
up like 080 t4g.

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I was on like tell Mexico 69
fucking phone and I had like

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he’s like Roaming data and shit
like, trying to Bullet my maps

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and is fucking ridiculous fuck
that.

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So, yeah, Timothy McVeigh he
blows up the Federal Building by

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himself well with the help of
Timothy nickels or Terry Nichols

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and that, that’s the accepted
story.

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But like, with anything else,
like this, a bunch of different

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conspiracies have popped up
around it.

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The first one being that there
were additional conspirators and

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this one, I kind of believe.
Yeah.

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Like its Not that.
Well, I mean they have they have

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the accounts of the, the people
living, the Ryder truck with

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Timothy.
Yeah.

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And then what basically happened
to this guy, what was his name

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again?
The guy who got killed?

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Yeah, the guy that was dirty
killed himself in jail.

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Kenny Trent to do.
Can’t Kenny Trent to do.

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Yeah, he was, you know, popped
for again, you know, small a

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license plate or whatever type
of pain coming back up from

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Mexico and they basically threw
him in jail, he called his

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family.
He’s like, hey, I’ll be all

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right.
I’ll talk to you guys in a

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couple days and then they found
him, you know?

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Of a supposed suicide.
Yes, they also offered to

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cremate the body pro bono, which
is like, not something that

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presents to apparently, super
weird.

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Yeah, I mean, that’s for
anything.

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That’s, you know, that, that was
a bad move, I understand where

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they’re coming from, but, you
know.

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Yeah, they’re trying to like,
make it seem like we’re doing a

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favor while we’re covering up
the evidence or whatever set him

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on fire right now.
Yeah, you know we opens warmed

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up.
We’re just making a pizza that’s

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gas for the big CIA pizza party
because they kept in line, he

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had a bunch of fuel on him.
Yeah, it’s so hot fire with

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that.
Yeah, he did.

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He was wearing a this gasoline
on these.

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Yeah so this there’s always been
this rumor or conspiracy theory

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that there was a second
conspirator involved.

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And what happened with Kenny
Trenta?

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Do he was like you said in
prison, he got moved to Oklahoma

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City for a parole hearing which
that’s weird.

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Engineering prison in
California.

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Normally they do your parole
Hearing in California.

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Yeah.
And they flew him to A city for

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some reason he called his sister
on August 19th, told her he was

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there for a parole hearing
called her.

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Again, that night said he would
call her the next morning.

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He was in really good spirits
and then they don’t hear from

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him at all until August 21st
when the prison Warden calls a

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family to say he killed himself.
And like you said offers to

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cover the cost of cremating him
which prisons don’t do.

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So the family shoots down that
offer and they get the body back

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and it looks like he’s been
beaten.

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And his throats been slashed and
he’s got ligature money.

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Would have done it left-handed.
Yeah, he was right-handed,

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there’s like all that little
shit like that.

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Yeah.
Everything about it is

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suspicious.
Yeah.

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Like it looks like a murder and
and the people aren’t even

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necessarily saying that he was
the second conspirator.

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But rather he matched the
description just kind of looked

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like the guy because people were
describing the guy that was with

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Timothy was having a dragon
tattoo on his arm.

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By the way, I’ve been to
Oklahoma, if you, if you’re

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going to, you know, kill every
guy in a holding cell, All the

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had a dragon tattoo on his arm.
Do your fucking tax revenue

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would kill and longer ever.
Yeah, yeah it’s a it’s a big

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undertaking.
Yeah.

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So when the body gets shipped
back he looks like he’s been

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beaten to death in the family is
like what the fuck they did.

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They did fly him cargo and
Spirit Airline so that me and

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his brother Jesse eventually
gets an anonymous call that says

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basically the caller says, his
brother was murdered or that.

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Kenny tried to do was murdered
by the FBI and that there was an

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interrogation that went wrong
and that he fit a profile and

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that profile is this number to
conspirator that people say

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people call him John Doe number
two.

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Yeah he’s in that drawing from
where Timothy run at the Ryder

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truck, right?
Yeah, which in the documentary

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that’s on Netflix, they claim
that guy in.

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That other person in the drawing
is just another dude who was in.

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It was just having a U-Haul
trucks.

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Yes happened to be running a
truck.

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And it probably makes more
sense.

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Yeah.
Kinda, I mean, because I don’t

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know, maybe because I do.
Yeah, yeah, knows, I don’t know.

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None of this makes sense.
Connor, that’s the problem.

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Adam.
Yeah.

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Alright.
Uncover it another another way,

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the FBI fucked up is a I feel
like this happens so often is

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that this dude’s Kenny
trampoline, his brother was a

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lawyer.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
They always used to have a like,

437
00:21:17,900 –> 00:21:20,200
we’re, oh yeah.
The the good kid in the bad kid.

438
00:21:20,200 –> 00:21:22,100
The bad kid gets, you know,
something fucked up.

439
00:21:22,100 –> 00:21:24,400
Hands to him that It’s, you
know, smells a little fishy and

440
00:21:24,400 –> 00:21:26,700
then the lawyer has to like on
some weird Daredevil.

441
00:21:26,700 –> 00:21:30,100
Shit has to devote his life to,
you know, trying to expose the

442
00:21:30,100 –> 00:21:31,400
truth.
Yeah.

443
00:21:31,500 –> 00:21:34,900
And that’s that’s that’s what he
eventually ends up.

444
00:21:34,900 –> 00:21:39,400
Doing is trying to uncover what
happened to his brother.

445
00:21:39,500 –> 00:21:42,500
There’s also one little sub
conspiracy with that the writer

446
00:21:43,000 –> 00:21:47,300
rental sketches or whatever and
the description of Timothy and

447
00:21:47,300 –> 00:21:49,000
John Doe.
Number two, at the scene is

448
00:21:49,000 –> 00:21:51,200
there’s security footage of
Timothy at a McDonald’s.

449
00:21:51,200 –> 00:21:54,400
A mile and a half away, right?
Minutes before, and he’s

450
00:21:54,400 –> 00:21:56,200
totally, you know, dryer,
whatever.

451
00:21:56,200 –> 00:21:58,300
And apparently is raining that
day, and they said that he got

452
00:21:58,300 –> 00:22:00,500
to the other place.
He wasn’t wet and he didn’t have

453
00:22:00,500 –> 00:22:01,700
a car.
And they like, how could you

454
00:22:01,700 –> 00:22:03,300
possibly done that?
Yeah, here’s a.

455
00:22:03,300 –> 00:22:05,000
Here’s my answer.
An umbrella?

456
00:22:05,200 –> 00:22:08,200
Yeah, I was reading that and I
was like that got a cab.

457
00:22:08,300 –> 00:22:11,400
I mean, you know, he ended up
winning by two tons of ammonium

458
00:22:11,400 –> 00:22:13,200
nitrate.
I feel like he had cab fare

459
00:22:13,200 –> 00:22:15,600
knocking around.
Yeah, he probably could have

460
00:22:15,600 –> 00:22:18,900
made it.
Yeah, but with Kenny Trent to do

461
00:22:18,900 –> 00:22:21,500
all this all the usual
conspiracy theory.

462
00:22:21,500 –> 00:22:24,000
Shit happens.
The clothes he was wearing, when

463
00:22:24,000 –> 00:22:27,900
he dies, go go missing a bunch
of other evidence might have

464
00:22:27,900 –> 00:22:31,400
been tampered with his cell, was
clean the same day before.

465
00:22:31,400 –> 00:22:35,100
They could do any kind of crime
scene investigation, the walls

466
00:22:35,100 –> 00:22:37,700
were painted over.
There was a second person’s

467
00:22:37,700 –> 00:22:41,900
blood found in the cell,
probably not a big deal and that

468
00:22:41,900 –> 00:22:46,100
was never entered into evidence.
And so so it was all really

469
00:22:46,100 –> 00:22:49,200
suspect.
And then Fred Jordan, the chief

470
00:22:49,200 –> 00:22:54,200
medical examiner of Oklahoma at
the time steps in and Basically,

471
00:22:54,200 –> 00:22:57,800
the state wants him to classify
this death as a suicide.

472
00:22:58,100 –> 00:23:03,200
And for a very long time, he
refuses his a memo in his own

473
00:23:03,200 –> 00:23:06,600
files.
Say very likely, this man was

474
00:23:06,600 –> 00:23:10,700
killed and then he got a memo
looked like a brick.

475
00:23:10,800 –> 00:23:12,600
Yeah.
Through his family’s window

476
00:23:12,600 –> 00:23:14,100
while his children slept.
Yeah.

477
00:23:14,100 –> 00:23:18,600
He finally, he did finally years
later changed his ruling to

478
00:23:18,600 –> 00:23:22,500
Suicide, but only after he was
getting crazy pressure from the

479
00:23:22,500 –> 00:23:26,800
government, Don’t do it
according to him, like even just

480
00:23:26,800 –> 00:23:28,500
kind of one of those like
small-town guys, like I didn’t

481
00:23:28,500 –> 00:23:30,000
want any part in this shit, you
know?

482
00:23:30,000 –> 00:23:32,200
Oh yeah.
Like even the the state’s

483
00:23:32,200 –> 00:23:37,200
attorney at one point, wrote a
letter to I believe the FBI

484
00:23:37,500 –> 00:23:40,300
basically saying stop harassing
this guy.

485
00:23:40,600 –> 00:23:43,800
Yeah.
And they didn’t until he he said

486
00:23:43,800 –> 00:23:48,400
it was suicide till he until he
fucking cave to the official

487
00:23:48,400 –> 00:23:52,900
version fucking sellout man.
What a fucking sellout.

488
00:23:53,100 –> 00:23:56,200
So the the this conspirator
number two, there’s a lot of

489
00:23:56,208 –> 00:23:58,200
people who think they will say
in his defense, do you really

490
00:23:58,200 –> 00:24:00,600
want to be the Rosa Parks of a
guy with a dragon tattoo on his

491
00:24:00,600 –> 00:24:02,100
arm?
I mean you’re going to make a

492
00:24:02,100 –> 00:24:04,600
stand for somebody.
I dude that was a notorious bank

493
00:24:04,600 –> 00:24:06,100
robber.
Might not be the place you want

494
00:24:06,100 –> 00:24:08,000
to draw the line.
You’re sanding condemn your kids

495
00:24:08,000 –> 00:24:10,600
to a life of harassment.
Yeah that’s not the hill to die

496
00:24:10,600 –> 00:24:11,800
on.
Yeah you’re gonna have to talk

497
00:24:11,800 –> 00:24:13,300
to somebody.
Do this weird haircuts on the

498
00:24:13,300 –> 00:24:15,700
History Channel you know for the
rest of your life about your

499
00:24:15,700 –> 00:24:17,800
dad, all the goods you could he
tried to do.

500
00:24:18,200 –> 00:24:21,100
I want to get on the History
Channel just once as a talking

501
00:24:21,100 –> 00:24:24,200
head I really I don’t think that
that’s An unattainable goal at

502
00:24:24,200 –> 00:24:26,600
all.
Probably not.

503
00:24:26,900 –> 00:24:28,400
Yeah.
Another thing about to say the

504
00:24:28,400 –> 00:24:31,800
state of Oklahoma it is, if you
ever wondered where all the

505
00:24:31,800 –> 00:24:33,600
people who watch the shows in
History Channel, that have

506
00:24:33,600 –> 00:24:35,400
nothing to do with history, our
it’s there.

507
00:24:35,900 –> 00:24:37,600
Oh yeah.
It’s just check on Stars the

508
00:24:37,600 –> 00:24:40,400
state.
Yeah, I fucking well, I love the

509
00:24:40,400 –> 00:24:42,300
History Channel.
It’s a ton of fun.

510
00:24:42,300 –> 00:24:44,100
I watch it.
I watched the shit out of

511
00:24:44,100 –> 00:24:47,000
American Pickers.
Oh yeah, no, I mean, every time

512
00:24:47,000 –> 00:24:49,300
I’m home for Christmas, we just
had just thrown pictures, man.

513
00:24:49,300 –> 00:24:52,000
So fucking pictures Marathon
shit.

514
00:24:52,000 –> 00:24:55,400
He’s like catnip for Why people
in their early 50s?

515
00:24:55,400 –> 00:24:58,000
So my parents just love it.
Yeah, that true crime

516
00:24:58,000 –> 00:25:00,100
documentaries.
It’s all I watch at the

517
00:25:00,100 –> 00:25:03,100
holidays.
So this this John Doe.

518
00:25:03,100 –> 00:25:05,500
Number two, they believe might
have been a guy named.

519
00:25:05,500 –> 00:25:08,700
Richard Lee got three.
Hey Adam the the football games.

520
00:25:08,700 –> 00:25:10,600
I’m like, yeah, but so is
casting JonBenet.

521
00:25:10,700 –> 00:25:12,800
So sorry, have you watched that?
I haven’t.

522
00:25:12,800 –> 00:25:15,600
No, I can’t watch it.
It’s it doesn’t make any fucking

523
00:25:15,600 –> 00:25:17,000
sense.
People are just saying it, every

524
00:25:17,000 –> 00:25:19,400
time someone described tries to
describe it, to me, makes less

525
00:25:19,400 –> 00:25:23,100
sense what the purpose of it is.
Yeah, I don’t, I still Don’t

526
00:25:23,100 –> 00:25:26,200
know what the premises.
And I watched a good 25 minutes

527
00:25:26,200 –> 00:25:27,900
of it.
Yes, apparent, just people

528
00:25:27,900 –> 00:25:31,400
auditioning to be and it’s about
the people that are auditioning

529
00:25:31,400 –> 00:25:32,500
and doesn’t have anything to do
with.

530
00:25:32,500 –> 00:25:35,800
Yeah, I don’t know, maybe one of
them will get murdered.

531
00:25:36,000 –> 00:25:38,600
I’ll watch that.
So Richard.

532
00:25:38,600 –> 00:25:41,400
Lee got three.
He is that was the head of the

533
00:25:41,400 –> 00:25:45,900
Aryan Republic army and
apparently very much resembled

534
00:25:46,400 –> 00:25:50,000
Kenny Trent to do.
So, that’s who according to this

535
00:25:50,000 –> 00:25:51,400
Theory.
That’s who authorities thought

536
00:25:51,400 –> 00:25:56,500
they had in custody was Richard
Lee got three and where the

537
00:25:57,100 –> 00:26:00,600
where things get weird is.
There’s also a woman named Carol

538
00:26:00,600 –> 00:26:07,600
how who lived in Elohim City and
apparently their Elohim City had

539
00:26:07,600 –> 00:26:12,800
been infiltrated by the ATF to
the point that they may have

540
00:26:13,100 –> 00:26:16,600
known this bombing was going to
happen and it’s apparently Carol

541
00:26:16,600 –> 00:26:23,800
how who told her ATF Handler
that this was apparently going

542
00:26:23,800 –> 00:26:26,900
to happen.
And I think that’s where part of

543
00:26:26,908 –> 00:26:29,900
the conspiracy comes in.
In that people there.

544
00:26:29,900 –> 00:26:33,000
I think there’s some sense that
this might have been one of

545
00:26:33,000 –> 00:26:37,000
those sting operations that the
FB, I love to pull where they

546
00:26:37,000 –> 00:26:39,200
would get someone right to the
point that they were going to

547
00:26:39,208 –> 00:26:43,500
bomb something like basically
entrap them and then pull the

548
00:26:43,500 –> 00:26:45,200
trigger at the last minute and
arrest them.

549
00:26:45,300 –> 00:26:47,700
Yeah like this could have been
something that got went wrong

550
00:26:47,700 –> 00:26:50,800
like they knew the Catch a
Predator type thing of domestic

551
00:26:50,800 –> 00:26:51,500
Terror.
Yeah.

552
00:26:51,500 –> 00:26:52,800
Where it’s like hey come on in
the kitchen.

553
00:26:53,000 –> 00:26:54,100
Cookies.
And then yeah.

554
00:26:54,100 –> 00:26:56,300
Actually, that’s an ammonium
nitrate.

555
00:26:56,300 –> 00:26:59,900
That’s a lie now jump in.
Yeah, To Catch a Predator if the

556
00:26:59,900 –> 00:27:02,200
Predator actually fucked a kid.
Yeah.

557
00:27:02,200 –> 00:27:06,500
Basically, this one of what this
would be but it’s just, you

558
00:27:06,500 –> 00:27:08,600
know, one of the one of the
theories is that Lucy didn’t

559
00:27:08,600 –> 00:27:13,100
move the football quick enough.
Basically, and Elohim City, I

560
00:27:13,100 –> 00:27:15,400
guess we should say.
It’s kind of just seems like a

561
00:27:15,400 –> 00:27:18,800
like a barter town for Mad, Max
taipa lint trap.

562
00:27:18,800 –> 00:27:22,800
Yeah like racist kind of like
right wing nut.

563
00:27:22,900 –> 00:27:26,600
It’s yeah, yes.
It’s a, it’s just one of those

564
00:27:26,600 –> 00:27:29,300
compounds.
Now, those militia compounds

565
00:27:29,300 –> 00:27:32,500
that we always hear about and
you never see, I’ve always

566
00:27:32,500 –> 00:27:35,500
wondered what would happen if
you just stumbled upon a militia

567
00:27:35,500 –> 00:27:37,400
compound?
I could, I could, I walk up with

568
00:27:37,400 –> 00:27:39,100
a white flag and be like, I want
to join.

569
00:27:39,100 –> 00:27:40,400
Yeah, you know.
Yeah.

570
00:27:40,400 –> 00:27:43,100
Put some red shoe laces,
shoelaces in.

571
00:27:43,200 –> 00:27:44,700
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I’m a Nazi.

572
00:27:44,700 –> 00:27:48,600
Now, let me join I’ve seen Green
Room I can do this.

573
00:27:48,600 –> 00:27:50,800
Are you going to chug a whole 2
liter of Faygo?

574
00:27:50,800 –> 00:27:55,300
Without fucking stopping?
And if Can then maybe what are

575
00:27:55,308 –> 00:27:57,000
the trials?
You gotta go with the, they have

576
00:27:57,000 –> 00:27:58,700
the monkey bars.
The Isis monkey bars.

577
00:27:58,700 –> 00:27:59,700
I presume.
That’s a big.

578
00:27:59,700 –> 00:28:01,500
That’s a big militancy.
Yeah.

579
00:28:01,500 –> 00:28:03,800
Monkey bars are a big part of
military training.

580
00:28:03,800 –> 00:28:06,300
Yeah.
Every time tires, the kneel down

581
00:28:06,300 –> 00:28:08,500
and shoot behind something.
Yeah, yeah.

582
00:28:08,500 –> 00:28:10,700
There’s always that you run up
to something, I gotta go see

583
00:28:10,700 –> 00:28:14,400
like a Nazi decathlon and pass
the trials.

584
00:28:15,200 –> 00:28:17,500
They did.
Speaking of Nazis have a guy at

585
00:28:17,500 –> 00:28:24,100
El Alamein city named Andreas
strassmeir, AKA Andy, the German

586
00:28:24,300 –> 00:28:27,700
and he did all of the weapons
training there, but people also

587
00:28:27,700 –> 00:28:31,400
think he might have been linked
to u.s. in German intelligence.

588
00:28:32,300 –> 00:28:34,800
And and I wrote a few other
people actually thought that he

589
00:28:34,800 –> 00:28:37,100
was cut out of the first draft
of the screenplay for

590
00:28:37,100 –> 00:28:39,500
Inglourious Basterds.
So there’s a lot of different

591
00:28:39,500 –> 00:28:42,600
conflicting theories.
This guy was only question by

592
00:28:42,600 –> 00:28:46,000
phone, so that leads me to
believe he was probably, at

593
00:28:46,000 –> 00:28:50,000
least in some way tied to
intelligence.

594
00:28:50,000 –> 00:28:53,200
Yeah, well, I mean, I can’t
imagine that if your State or

595
00:28:53,200 –> 00:28:55,400
federal government mean know
about a place, like Elohim City

596
00:28:55,400 –> 00:28:58,100
and you’re not going to try to
crack it in some capacity, like,

597
00:28:58,100 –> 00:28:59,900
yeah.
Because that’s, that’s just a,

598
00:29:00,200 –> 00:29:03,200
you know, a fucking that’s like
standing water for mosquitoes

599
00:29:03,200 –> 00:29:05,700
but for domestic Terror.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

600
00:29:06,000 –> 00:29:10,100
So, so that’s one theory that
there was another conspirator.

601
00:29:10,400 –> 00:29:13,500
And I think that one’s not that
far-fetched.

602
00:29:13,600 –> 00:29:15,800
I didn’t see a lot and who
people thought it actually might

603
00:29:15,800 –> 00:29:18,800
be, it seems like they, yeah,
this guy may have just gotten

604
00:29:18,800 –> 00:29:20,100
away, scot-free?
Yeah.

605
00:29:20,100 –> 00:29:24,700
Most people seem to think he’s
He’s probably just gone forever.

606
00:29:24,700 –> 00:29:28,000
I do think Mother Jones, that
Mother Jones article, that’s

607
00:29:28,000 –> 00:29:32,100
where we were pulling all of
that from, it’s an article from

608
00:29:32,100 –> 00:29:36,100
2007 on Mother Jones called the
search for John Doe.

609
00:29:36,100 –> 00:29:38,500
Number two, the story.
The FEDS never told about the

610
00:29:38,500 –> 00:29:43,300
Oklahoma City bombing and I felt
like they did a decent job of

611
00:29:43,300 –> 00:29:46,200
making it seem like it was
probably that Richard.

612
00:29:46,200 –> 00:29:49,800
Lee got three guy who do the
bank robber guy.

613
00:29:49,800 –> 00:29:52,800
Yeah, who at one point did
start.

614
00:29:52,900 –> 00:29:57,100
Cooperating with the feds and
you’ll never believe what

615
00:29:57,100 –> 00:29:59,500
happened to him.
They found him hanging in his

616
00:29:59,500 –> 00:30:03,100
cell.
What that’s weird if you can

617
00:30:03,100 –> 00:30:06,800
believe it, so I guess we’ll
never know.

618
00:30:06,900 –> 00:30:10,100
So he might have actually just
this goes, sort of flamboyant.

619
00:30:10,100 –> 00:30:13,400
I was reading a few of his right
noted for costumes, they did

620
00:30:13,400 –> 00:30:16,900
like Clinton and Nixon mask,
someone it’s Santa and an elf on

621
00:30:16,900 –> 00:30:19,700
Christmas, they had a nice
career Easter basket with a

622
00:30:19,700 –> 00:30:21,900
bronze pipe of not a bronze, a
copper pipe bomb.

623
00:30:21,900 –> 00:30:24,700
And it’s, yeah, they They robbed
a bank on Christmas and then

624
00:30:24,700 –> 00:30:28,300
came back and put a bronze.
A bronze to pipe bomb at the

625
00:30:28,300 –> 00:30:31,300
same bank on Easter.
It’s like, that’s great.

626
00:30:31,400 –> 00:30:33,800
Yeah I mean that’s that’s
fucking yeah I want to see that

627
00:30:33,800 –> 00:30:35,600
movie.
Bonnie and Clyde should yeah.

628
00:30:36,000 –> 00:30:37,700
So it yeah.
I mean it would have been a

629
00:30:37,700 –> 00:30:40,500
cooler story if we knew that guy
was involved.

630
00:30:40,800 –> 00:30:43,400
Yes.
Witnesses at the scene of the

631
00:30:43,500 –> 00:30:47,800
Federal Building saw a man
leaving, wearing a and I think

632
00:30:47,800 –> 00:30:49,600
I’m reading this correctly a
ninja costume.

633
00:30:50,700 –> 00:30:55,500
So the the other Theory.
Out Oklahoma City, is that there

634
00:30:55,500 –> 00:31:02,000
was a second bomb and this one
has always been kind of near and

635
00:31:02,000 –> 00:31:07,000
dear to me, because I remember
news footage or news coverage

636
00:31:07,000 –> 00:31:09,900
from because I was this happened
in 95.

637
00:31:09,900 –> 00:31:12,700
So I was like, already out of
high school and this happened.

638
00:31:12,700 –> 00:31:17,800
I was like 18 or 19.
So I remember news footage from

639
00:31:17,800 –> 00:31:22,200
when this happened and I
remember seeing stories about a

640
00:31:22,200 –> 00:31:26,200
second.
And third bomb but as the years

641
00:31:26,200 –> 00:31:29,800
progressed you just sort of
stopped hearing that about

642
00:31:29,800 –> 00:31:34,400
Oklahoma City and you just kind
of heard that it was one bomb in

643
00:31:34,400 –> 00:31:37,600
the documentary.
They address this and they say

644
00:31:38,100 –> 00:31:41,200
it.
What caused all the Panic was

645
00:31:41,200 –> 00:31:45,800
like a test device that the
government would use in training

646
00:31:45,800 –> 00:31:48,000
exercises.
And in that case, I’m like,

647
00:31:48,000 –> 00:31:51,500
well, why is that there?
Yeah, like why is there a test

648
00:31:51,500 –> 00:31:53,900
like what a whack eco?
The dancer like we’re going to

649
00:31:53,900 –> 00:31:58,000
run this, you know, test
simulation Yak next to into that

650
00:31:58,000 –> 00:32:01,200
did it was it just a, you know?
Oh thanks a bunch of red wires

651
00:32:01,200 –> 00:32:03,200
with a ticking digital clock
that wasn’t hooked up to

652
00:32:03,200 –> 00:32:04,800
anything.
Yeah, they showed it and it

653
00:32:04,800 –> 00:32:10,500
looked like just a wooden box,
maybe the size of like it looked

654
00:32:10,500 –> 00:32:12,200
like you could put a bowling
ball in it.

655
00:32:12,300 –> 00:32:15,500
Okay, it’s about that size,
which I don’t know if that would

656
00:32:15,500 –> 00:32:20,100
cause we’re going to listen to a
video of one of the news

657
00:32:20,100 –> 00:32:23,000
reports.
And I don’t know if that That

658
00:32:23,000 –> 00:32:25,800
little wooden box that they show
in that documentary would have

659
00:32:25,800 –> 00:32:36,900
caused the kind of panic that
that was in the Federal

660
00:32:36,900 –> 00:32:38,200
Building.
Did go off it.

661
00:32:38,200 –> 00:32:40,000
Did the damage that you see
right there.

662
00:32:40,200 –> 00:32:44,800
The second explosive was found
and defused, the third explosive

663
00:32:44,800 –> 00:32:47,300
that was found and they are
working on right now as we

664
00:32:47,300 –> 00:32:49,600
speak.
I understand both the second and

665
00:32:49,600 –> 00:32:52,700
third explosives.
If you can imagine this world,

666
00:32:52,900 –> 00:32:55,600
Larger.
See, like what where did that

667
00:32:55,600 –> 00:32:58,900
information come from the fact
that they were larger than the

668
00:32:58,900 –> 00:33:00,800
first is, that was a big-ass
bomb.

669
00:33:00,800 –> 00:33:03,900
He told ya, I was a hole is a
hole moving truck with yeah, you

670
00:33:03,900 –> 00:33:16,700
know, tons of raw materials and
this is, yeah, this is footage

671
00:33:16,700 –> 00:33:20,200
of people running and saying
that they’ve been told there’s

672
00:33:20,200 –> 00:33:29,500
another bomb.
Is this something, is this

673
00:33:29,500 –> 00:33:32,000
something that the the
authorities on the ground said,

674
00:33:32,000 –> 00:33:33,800
like, hey, there’s more bombs
just get out of here.

675
00:33:34,000 –> 00:33:37,700
Yeah, I could have been that,
like, just get the fuck away

676
00:33:37,700 –> 00:33:39,500
from us.
Yeah, that seems like something

677
00:33:39,600 –> 00:33:41,600
they might do.
We can deny it later ligo.

678
00:33:41,600 –> 00:33:43,900
It’s just a suspicious, you
know, van.

679
00:33:44,800 –> 00:33:49,200
This will go in and they will
use that that rarely sit right

680
00:33:49,200 –> 00:33:50,800
fucking mullet on that guy,
right there.

681
00:33:51,300 –> 00:33:55,300
Yeah we really do taste of foods
to try to do something with

682
00:33:55,300 –> 00:33:56,600
that.
The justice department is

683
00:33:56,600 –> 00:34:00,400
reporting that a second
explosive device has been found

684
00:34:00,400 –> 00:34:03,700
either explode explode in the
front controlled demolition in

685
00:34:03,700 –> 00:34:07,500
the bag.
Yes I am.

686
00:34:10,199 –> 00:34:13,000
In fact what we were told at the
scene a few minutes ago was that

687
00:34:13,000 –> 00:34:16,900
in fact two different Devices
were found in addition to the

688
00:34:16,900 –> 00:34:22,000
one that went off total of 30
she firm through put away from

689
00:34:22,000 –> 00:34:23,699
getting this correct 2 plus 1 is
3.

690
00:34:24,000 –> 00:34:30,000
This one is the great thing
about when news has to report on

691
00:34:30,000 –> 00:34:31,900
limited information.
Yeah.

692
00:34:31,900 –> 00:34:35,500
I’ve as that they just have to
restate the same thing over and

693
00:34:35,500 –> 00:34:37,000
over again.
Well, people died in the

694
00:34:37,000 –> 00:34:40,699
background on the east side of
that building.

695
00:34:41,600 –> 00:34:43,300
See, it just seems weird to me
that.

696
00:34:43,300 –> 00:34:45,600
There’s so much.
Don’t know, quite the same.

697
00:34:45,600 –> 00:34:48,600
I mean I guess someone could
have been giving out

698
00:34:49,000 –> 00:34:52,100
misinformation and that’s all
this is.

699
00:34:56,100 –> 00:34:58,200
Mike, this is the governor
talking right now.

700
00:34:59,700 –> 00:35:02,000
Yeah, well seems to be
corroborated from multiple

701
00:35:02,000 –> 00:35:04,800
sources legs with their longest
seen people who were told this

702
00:35:07,100 –> 00:35:09,400
and this is nowhere in the
official version of the story

703
00:35:09,500 –> 00:35:12,100
because multiple bombs, no, not
anymore.

704
00:35:12,200 –> 00:35:15,100
Like, when you watch that that
documentary about it, which

705
00:35:15,100 –> 00:35:18,800
really adheres to the, the
original story they’d bring it

706
00:35:18,800 –> 00:35:20,400
up.
But like I said, they just write

707
00:35:20,400 –> 00:35:24,100
it off as your training dummy.
There’s just one of them was,

708
00:35:24,100 –> 00:35:25,500
what was their explanation for
the other one?

709
00:35:25,800 –> 00:35:28,600
Yeah, exactly.
They don’t really have one.

710
00:35:36,900 –> 00:35:39,800
Again, I see another bomb truck
going so apparently they’re

711
00:35:39,800 –> 00:35:42,100
going to try to get out that
third bomb that’s been talked

712
00:35:42,100 –> 00:35:44,000
about.
So a lot of crazy random.

713
00:35:44,100 –> 00:35:46,500
Yeah this is for this is the
Supercut I didn’t realize the

714
00:35:46,500 –> 00:35:48,800
first of just multiple different
news channels.

715
00:35:49,100 –> 00:35:59,900
Yeah I know that’s always a
thing about this.

716
00:35:59,900 –> 00:36:01,800
You look well this is really
interesting like oh this is why

717
00:36:01,800 –> 00:36:05,300
we hate the Jews dot-org like oh
fuck okay well I don’t really

718
00:36:05,300 –> 00:36:06,700
know what they have to say about
nuclear war on.

719
00:36:06,800 –> 00:36:08,300
Mars, but I know if I need to
read it.

720
00:36:09,800 –> 00:36:13,500
Some good work by some Munitions
experts and the explosive

721
00:36:13,500 –> 00:36:16,900
sniffing dogs.
Yeah, so this is, this is almost

722
00:36:16,900 –> 00:36:22,100
over but the explosive sniffing
dogs which slip stitch to

723
00:36:22,100 –> 00:36:24,200
additional bombs and additional
little the one which was

724
00:36:24,200 –> 00:36:26,300
detonated earlier making a total
of three bombs.

725
00:36:26,300 –> 00:36:31,200
Total of three bombs, one was
hiding in my moustache, got a

726
00:36:31,200 –> 00:36:34,000
moustache, is amazing, it’s a
great, it’s a great comment for

727
00:36:34,008 –> 00:36:37,700
an audio medium.
We do what we can.

728
00:36:37,800 –> 00:36:40,300
Go to find me, we were just
watching videos for three

729
00:36:40,300 –> 00:36:41,900
minutes.
It’s fine.

730
00:36:43,300 –> 00:36:46,900
So yeah, the additional
explosives.

731
00:36:47,200 –> 00:36:51,800
Are a theory that I mean, it’s
out there, people believe it and

732
00:36:51,800 –> 00:36:55,300
it’s because of stuff like that,
but it’s also one of those

733
00:36:55,300 –> 00:36:58,100
situations like you were talking
about where you go look at the

734
00:36:58,100 –> 00:37:02,100
official source and it’s just
some dude.

735
00:37:02,400 –> 00:37:04,700
Yeah.
Like this website is Hardcore

736
00:37:04,700 –> 00:37:06,400
geocities.
Yeah.

737
00:37:06,600 –> 00:37:11,500
Yeah, like I should not run two
websites that look aesthetically

738
00:37:11,500 –> 00:37:16,700
much better than this.
I am not conducting analysis of

739
00:37:16,700 –> 00:37:20,900
audio files from a lawyer’s,
dictaphone blocks away that

740
00:37:20,900 –> 00:37:24,600
indicate multiple blasts.
I have a humble podcast about

741
00:37:24,600 –> 00:37:29,000
Isis, but this guy isn’t
profoundly badly formatted.

742
00:37:29,100 –> 00:37:31,100
A bevy of different fonts and
sizes.

743
00:37:31,100 –> 00:37:34,300
Yeah, like, it’s called what
really happened.com?

744
00:37:34,300 –> 00:37:38,100
Yeah, web 1.0.
If a banners to the side of the

745
00:37:38,100 –> 00:37:42,100
page advertising, friends and
sponsors, it does raise a few

746
00:37:42,100 –> 00:37:44,500
interesting points.
Yeah, he does.

747
00:37:44,600 –> 00:37:48,900
He mentions the Timothy McVeigh
was dry, if the U-Haul thing.

748
00:37:48,900 –> 00:37:52,600
How did he get there?
Which I think an umbrella is a

749
00:37:52,600 –> 00:37:56,900
pretty good guess as to how that
happened?

750
00:37:57,000 –> 00:38:00,800
Yeah, Relic AB rain also starts
and stops.

751
00:38:00,800 –> 00:38:03,900
Yeah, you know, it could have
been anything, he does have a

752
00:38:03,900 –> 00:38:07,800
picture of a Ryder truck.
Few days before, that was

753
00:38:07,800 –> 00:38:13,000
allegedly, just kind of stored
at an army compound near

754
00:38:13,100 –> 00:38:18,000
Oklahoma City.
See this to me is a little even

755
00:38:18,700 –> 00:38:21,200
not a little more credible, a
little less credible even than

756
00:38:21,200 –> 00:38:23,600
the.
Why was he dry at the U-Haul

757
00:38:23,600 –> 00:38:26,700
place because I imagine the Army
also has to move shit and a lot

758
00:38:26,700 –> 00:38:29,800
of it is probably not you know
fucking hydrogen bombs and you

759
00:38:29,800 –> 00:38:32,200
know green tarp covered
Caravans.

760
00:38:32,200 –> 00:38:34,600
It’s probably just office
supplies and shit.

761
00:38:34,600 –> 00:38:37,900
And also mean they have the VIN
number from the Axle of the over

762
00:38:37,900 –> 00:38:40,900
Iraq, at the at the, you know,
side of the federal building.

763
00:38:40,900 –> 00:38:43,300
So I did.
This is less interesting to me.

764
00:38:43,700 –> 00:38:47,000
Well, not to debunk you right on
the spot, but I did watch an

765
00:38:47,000 –> 00:38:53,100
episode of Homeland recently
where a truck bomb goes off and

766
00:38:53,100 –> 00:38:57,100
they find out that the
government agency had swapped in

767
00:38:57,100 –> 00:39:00,100
a different van and they took
the original van.

768
00:39:00,400 –> 00:39:04,700
Probably not what happened here?
No, but you never know like

769
00:39:04,700 –> 00:39:07,800
this, this is one of those
things where Like we’re never

770
00:39:07,800 –> 00:39:11,500
going to confirm this.
Yeah, it’s just a decades-old

771
00:39:11,500 –> 00:39:14,600
picture from the that was
originally uploaded to the

772
00:39:14,600 –> 00:39:16,500
Internet.
So it’s got the probably back in

773
00:39:16,500 –> 00:39:17,800
the BBS boards.
Yeah.

774
00:39:17,800 –> 00:39:23,100
He’s he’s got that late 90s,
early 2000 internet Sheen of.

775
00:39:23,100 –> 00:39:27,000
Yeah, it’s got that horrible
real resolution, pixelated

776
00:39:27,000 –> 00:39:30,600
fucking Steve’s to it.
I do miss seen pictures like

777
00:39:30,600 –> 00:39:33,900
that.
So so this guy goes through on

778
00:39:34,200 –> 00:39:37,900
what really happened.com?
He goes through a bunch of sound

779
00:39:37,900 –> 00:39:39,600
files.
Should we listen to one?

780
00:39:39,600 –> 00:39:41,700
Just to hear ya.
Just here holding it because I

781
00:39:41,700 –> 00:39:43,800
got imagine it just sounds like
static.

782
00:39:43,900 –> 00:39:56,000
Yeah, straight.
You sound like you dropped

783
00:39:56,000 –> 00:39:58,700
something?
Yeah, no, that’s from a lawyer’s

784
00:39:58,700 –> 00:40:01,400
dictaphone.
Yeah, everybody building a few

785
00:40:01,400 –> 00:40:04,600
blocks away.
And what they’re, what this

786
00:40:04,600 –> 00:40:08,500
guy’s comparing is basically
he’s trying to prove that there

787
00:40:08,500 –> 00:40:11,100
were two blasts.
Yeah.

788
00:40:11,100 –> 00:40:14,400
But what he’s extrapolating from
this, incredibly low res piece

789
00:40:14,400 –> 00:40:20,800
of audio from technology from
1994 is a is I don’t want to say

790
00:40:20,800 –> 00:40:24,300
outlandish because I’m not like,
you know, Sonic Expert by any

791
00:40:24,300 –> 00:40:26,900
stretch of the imagination but
he’s saying that there’s there’s

792
00:40:26,900 –> 00:40:30,700
multiple you know spikes that
indicate like this is before

793
00:40:30,700 –> 00:40:33,100
this happened and the timelines
don’t match up.

794
00:40:33,400 –> 00:40:38,100
Yeah yeah and this is a thing.
What’s weird to me?

795
00:40:38,100 –> 00:40:40,600
We’ll talk about it a lot more
on the next episode.

796
00:40:40,600 –> 00:40:45,000
But what’s weird to me about
stuff like this is when it’s the

797
00:40:45,000 –> 00:40:49,700
person who’s putting forth, the
The Conspiracy Theory, we’re

798
00:40:49,700 –> 00:40:52,200
really quick to be like oh
what’s your Source?

799
00:40:52,200 –> 00:40:53,500
Like, where are you getting that
from?

800
00:40:53,500 –> 00:40:57,400
Um but when someone debunk
something we’re just like, all

801
00:40:57,408 –> 00:41:01,400
right I trust you yeah like
people will like if you’re

802
00:41:01,400 –> 00:41:04,100
trying to prove a point and you
send someone a link to what

803
00:41:04,100 –> 00:41:06,300
really happened.
They’ll be like what the fuck

804
00:41:06,300 –> 00:41:07,500
are you doing?
Yeah.

805
00:41:07,500 –> 00:41:09,500
Uses that for a source I really
think.

806
00:41:09,600 –> 00:41:13,700
You know it’s it is difficult to
separate the chaff if they just

807
00:41:13,700 –> 00:41:16,300
had like someone to help with
the Optics.

808
00:41:16,400 –> 00:41:19,800
Yeah, a little bit, you know, is
people really, you know, the

809
00:41:19,800 –> 00:41:23,700
Skeptics for lack of a better
word are all day, all Come

810
00:41:23,700 –> 00:41:27,500
across very sharp and reasoned
and represented very well.

811
00:41:27,500 –> 00:41:30,500
But it’s what is it about this?
That always lends itself to

812
00:41:31,000 –> 00:41:34,700
hand-coded HTML?
Yeah, on both sides.

813
00:41:34,800 –> 00:41:38,400
Yes like no one’s credible know
like I found I found a lot of

814
00:41:38,400 –> 00:41:43,500
that on this episode just trying
to find one and we did find the

815
00:41:43,500 –> 00:41:47,400
Mother Jones article that was it
was interesting to me and like a

816
00:41:47,700 –> 00:41:50,700
was also kind of basically kind
of a throwback conspiracy.

817
00:41:50,900 –> 00:41:52,200
Yeah, you know.
That’s true.

818
00:41:52,200 –> 00:41:55,400
So vintage Eh.
Yeah, we’re gonna flip this

819
00:41:55,400 –> 00:41:58,500
conspiracy on eBay later so the
Buffalo Exchange.

820
00:41:59,900 –> 00:42:05,400
I fucking love the bombing of
the Buffalo Exchange next week,

821
00:42:05,500 –> 00:42:09,600
on the unnamed, fucking
conspiracy theory show.

822
00:42:09,900 –> 00:42:15,300
So yeah, it’s, I feel like the
extra explosives thing is

823
00:42:15,400 –> 00:42:19,300
compelling, but we’re never
ever, ever, ever going to prove

824
00:42:19,300 –> 00:42:22,600
it.
No, because like the bombs would

825
00:42:22,600 –> 00:42:25,100
be gone.
That’s now this sort of ties

826
00:42:25,100 –> 00:42:28,300
into the one of the last things,
which is the one of the First

827
00:42:28,300 –> 00:42:30,700
Responders, right?
Right there was a first

828
00:42:30,700 –> 00:42:35,300
responder named Terry Yi Chi who
was a I believe he was a cop or

829
00:42:35,300 –> 00:42:38,500
a firefighter, you know it
sounds a good look at South Park

830
00:42:38,500 –> 00:42:41,400
character, that runs a Chinese
food restaurant like teriyaki

831
00:42:41,400 –> 00:42:44,500
teriyaki.
Yeah.

832
00:42:44,700 –> 00:42:48,300
And this guy was one of the
first people on the scene at

833
00:42:48,300 –> 00:42:52,200
when the bomb went off and he
reported all kinds of weird

834
00:42:52,200 –> 00:42:56,100
things like, One of the things
he reported was that the ATF was

835
00:42:56,100 –> 00:42:59,500
already there.
When the bomb went off, like,

836
00:42:59,700 –> 00:43:03,800
which I think is where there’s
some sense.

837
00:43:03,800 –> 00:43:07,500
Like I said that this was maybe
like a sting operation or

838
00:43:07,500 –> 00:43:09,700
something.
They like they were maybe trying

839
00:43:09,700 –> 00:43:12,100
to catch these two doing
something in the time and got

840
00:43:12,100 –> 00:43:14,300
fucked up.
Yeah, in the bomb actually went

841
00:43:14,300 –> 00:43:16,000
off.
Like they had, you know,

842
00:43:16,300 –> 00:43:18,800
whatever their connection and
Elohim City, or who you know,

843
00:43:18,800 –> 00:43:20,000
right?
Someone had piece together.

844
00:43:20,000 –> 00:43:22,300
These transactions and Link them
to these dudes and what they’re

845
00:43:22,300 –> 00:43:25,900
trying Rio and Again, didn’t
move the football quick enough.

846
00:43:26,000 –> 00:43:27,100
Right?
Is part of the through.

847
00:43:27,100 –> 00:43:30,100
These also them, like, covering
up the wreckage with black

848
00:43:30,100 –> 00:43:31,900
plastic.
Yeah, yeah.

849
00:43:31,900 –> 00:43:35,800
Just to, like, just and weird
not like a gigantic tarp, but

850
00:43:35,800 –> 00:43:38,500
like, little individual pieces
to cover my little cracks and

851
00:43:38,500 –> 00:43:40,100
shit like that which is very
odd.

852
00:43:40,200 –> 00:43:42,900
Yeah.
It was all really strange and

853
00:43:43,200 –> 00:43:47,200
this tarry ye key he was there
that day and he gets home and

854
00:43:47,200 –> 00:43:51,900
tells his wife that it’s not
what they’re saying it is and

855
00:43:51,900 –> 00:43:54,600
from there he goes.
Is on this Mission.

856
00:43:54,600 –> 00:43:58,100
Basically, trying to uncover all
this evidence about Oklahoma

857
00:43:58,100 –> 00:43:59,400
City.
Yeah, it’s like making trips on

858
00:43:59,408 –> 00:44:01,200
his days off and his personal
vehicle.

859
00:44:01,200 –> 00:44:03,900
Yeah, yeah.
Doing all this investigative

860
00:44:03,900 –> 00:44:08,300
work and his wife claims at the
time of his death, he was on his

861
00:44:08,300 –> 00:44:12,800
way to deliver information to
someone but I almost did an

862
00:44:12,800 –> 00:44:14,800
article about this, I might
still do it someday.

863
00:44:14,800 –> 00:44:17,200
I was going to do an article
about suicides that are

864
00:44:17,200 –> 00:44:19,600
definitely murder.
Look, Vince Foster.

865
00:44:19,600 –> 00:44:25,200
Yeah and Terry geeky his this
His so opaquely.

866
00:44:25,200 –> 00:44:28,500
A murder.
Yeah, he slit his wrists in his

867
00:44:28,500 –> 00:44:33,700
vehicle and then walks a mile
through rough terrain, which

868
00:44:33,700 –> 00:44:37,800
includes climbing a fence and
crossing a creek, to get to a

869
00:44:37,800 –> 00:44:40,200
spot in the forest,
grandmother’s house.

870
00:44:40,300 –> 00:44:45,000
Yeah, where he finally shoots
himself in the head with a gun?

871
00:44:45,100 –> 00:44:49,900
That no one could find until the
FBI showed up in a helicopter

872
00:44:50,100 –> 00:44:52,200
and found it 50 feet away from
him.

873
00:44:52,200 –> 00:44:55,000
Oh, they just don’t have these
Investigative Acumen over the

874
00:44:55,000 –> 00:44:56,600
federal, the Federal Bureau of
Investigation.

875
00:44:56,600 –> 00:44:58,100
I mean, they’re just, they’re
the best, what they do.

876
00:44:58,100 –> 00:45:00,800
Yeah.
Like what it really is like on

877
00:45:00,800 –> 00:45:03,600
the Dave Chappelle like sprinkle
some crack on them level of.

878
00:45:03,600 –> 00:45:05,300
Yeah.
For sure deviousness.

879
00:45:05,500 –> 00:45:07,000
Yeah.
And then he has like handcuffed

880
00:45:07,000 –> 00:45:09,400
imprints on his wrists and all
that shit.

881
00:45:09,500 –> 00:45:11,200
Yeah.
Everything about it’s really

882
00:45:11,200 –> 00:45:17,300
strange but it’s one of those
stories you know the same as the

883
00:45:17,300 –> 00:45:20,300
the first guy we talked about
Kenny, whatever the fuck that

884
00:45:20,300 –> 00:45:26,100
weird last name was, but that 12
was a Really weird suicide that

885
00:45:26,100 –> 00:45:29,000
when you look into it more,
probably as a murder.

886
00:45:29,000 –> 00:45:31,400
Well, yeah, that one on the end
of the bank robber guy.

887
00:45:31,500 –> 00:45:32,600
Yeah.
Everything was John Doe number

888
00:45:32,600 –> 00:45:33,500
two.
Yeah.

889
00:45:33,600 –> 00:45:35,200
There’s three of these.
Yeah.

890
00:45:35,300 –> 00:45:38,700
And, and people talk about what,
what’s the is, the motivation?

891
00:45:38,700 –> 00:45:41,100
Just so that, the American
people have closure and a nice

892
00:45:41,100 –> 00:45:43,600
tidy wrap up and faith in our
institutions?

893
00:45:43,600 –> 00:45:45,300
Do you think for this
conspiracy?

894
00:45:45,800 –> 00:45:50,300
Yeah, I think maybe the
embarrassment of knowing that

895
00:45:50,300 –> 00:45:53,000
there was a second person who
did it that they never caught.

896
00:45:53,000 –> 00:45:54,700
Yeah.
I don’t think the government

897
00:45:54,700 –> 00:45:56,800
would want that to get out to
bed.

898
00:45:56,800 –> 00:46:00,100
Look, yeah, as the kids say,
very bad look.

899
00:46:00,300 –> 00:46:03,300
And you know, could be that they
were involved, who knows?

900
00:46:03,500 –> 00:46:06,100
Yeah.
Or I might add the thing is like

901
00:46:06,600 –> 00:46:10,000
some, some there was some
legislation passed after this.

902
00:46:10,300 –> 00:46:13,900
So I supposed extreme cynic
could say that this was, you

903
00:46:13,900 –> 00:46:16,300
know, Clinton trying to pass
that death penalty reform that

904
00:46:16,300 –> 00:46:18,200
he passed.
And some of these, some of these

905
00:46:18,200 –> 00:46:21,500
things that are like seen as
precursors to the Patriot Act.

906
00:46:21,600 –> 00:46:25,300
Yeah, but then, I mean, there is
I mean, Possible justification

907
00:46:25,300 –> 00:46:27,600
that, you know, similar to the
JFK murder, whether just like,

908
00:46:27,600 –> 00:46:31,500
we just need a tidy ending for
this of people can know that

909
00:46:31,500 –> 00:46:33,100
fucking, you know?
Yeah.

910
00:46:33,100 –> 00:46:35,400
If we get the job done, this is
not going to happen again.

911
00:46:35,400 –> 00:46:36,500
You gotta gotta gotta.
Yeah.

912
00:46:36,900 –> 00:46:39,500
Yeah.
I think it’s probably more of

913
00:46:39,500 –> 00:46:41,000
that.
Yeah, that’s what.

914
00:46:41,000 –> 00:46:43,500
That’s what makes sense to me if
there is any variety.

915
00:46:43,600 –> 00:46:46,800
Yeah, yeah.
I don’t I don’t like to believe

916
00:46:46,800 –> 00:46:49,100
that it would have been some
sort of.

917
00:46:49,200 –> 00:46:51,200
I definitely don’t want to
believe it was an inside

918
00:46:51,200 –> 00:46:53,300
operation.
Yeah, that’s always terrified.

919
00:46:53,400 –> 00:46:55,100
Sighing.
I mean if it was some sort of

920
00:46:55,100 –> 00:46:57,600
Sting that they fucked up I
could live with that.

921
00:46:57,700 –> 00:46:59,800
Yeah.
I mean I you know, we obviously

922
00:46:59,800 –> 00:47:02,300
wouldn’t be thrilled but I mean
if they just yeah you know

923
00:47:02,500 –> 00:47:04,800
didn’t time it, right?
Went and saw the fuse was, you

924
00:47:04,800 –> 00:47:07,500
know, fucking taken and they
didn’t have lifted squirty

925
00:47:07,500 –> 00:47:11,000
flower in the fucking, you know,
black car with the rest of the

926
00:47:11,000 –> 00:47:13,600
size by supplies.
Like I’ve had a that’s you know,

927
00:47:14,100 –> 00:47:16,300
that’s fine.
You goofed it?

928
00:47:16,300 –> 00:47:19,000
Yeah, it happens.
But yeah, who knows.

929
00:47:19,100 –> 00:47:20,800
This is a weird one that is
weird.

930
00:47:20,800 –> 00:47:23,300
I mean I didn’t know that
there’s this much controversy.

931
00:47:23,500 –> 00:47:24,900
About this.
I thought I was pretty much cut

932
00:47:24,900 –> 00:47:26,500
and dried Timothy McVeigh, did
it?

933
00:47:26,500 –> 00:47:28,600
Yeah.
There’s there’s a lot of weird

934
00:47:28,600 –> 00:47:31,400
details around this one.
Interesting also that he never

935
00:47:31,400 –> 00:47:33,700
came forward about another
conspirator.

936
00:47:34,100 –> 00:47:36,300
Yeah, in that in that same
documentary.

937
00:47:36,300 –> 00:47:39,300
That’s on Netflix right now.
There’s an interview with him at

938
00:47:39,300 –> 00:47:41,200
the end.
I watch some of that the 60

939
00:47:41,200 –> 00:47:44,700
Minutes.
One, know the one that’s on that

940
00:47:44,700 –> 00:47:46,200
there’s one on Netflix right
now.

941
00:47:46,300 –> 00:47:47,700
Okay.
Well, did the interview and you

942
00:47:47,700 –> 00:47:50,200
know, there’s like an interview
with a guy from 60 Minutes was

943
00:47:50,200 –> 00:47:52,700
the last one he’s like 33.
Oh yeah.

944
00:47:53,000 –> 00:47:57,500
And They asked him about
additional conspirators and he

945
00:47:57,500 –> 00:48:00,900
was like, it would be scary if
there was because that would

946
00:48:00,900 –> 00:48:03,800
mean you never caught someone
else but also wouldn’t it be

947
00:48:03,800 –> 00:48:05,900
scary if I just did it by
myself?

948
00:48:06,100 –> 00:48:07,800
And that’s kinda how he leaves
it.

949
00:48:07,800 –> 00:48:12,300
What am innocent answer?
Yeah, it’s like yes, it’s scary.

950
00:48:12,300 –> 00:48:13,600
Either way.
Now this is awkward.

951
00:48:14,700 –> 00:48:20,600
Oh my God, some of the, some of
the most piercing creep eyes

952
00:48:20,600 –> 00:48:21,900
you’ll ever see.
Oh yeah.

953
00:48:21,900 –> 00:48:22,900
For sure.
Yeah.

954
00:48:23,000 –> 00:48:25,400
He’s He’s a goddamn nightmare,
but not anymore.

955
00:48:25,400 –> 00:48:30,800
He’s dead now, hey, Patriotic
bird.

956
00:48:30,800 –> 00:48:32,500
Okay, I thought it was a Wilhelm
screen.

957
00:48:34,600 –> 00:48:37,800
I was a Red-tailed Hawk.
I wasn’t the official Eagle of

958
00:48:37,800 –> 00:48:40,700
podcasts because everyone calls
that an eagle scream.

959
00:48:41,000 –> 00:48:42,400
Okay.
That’s what did you do?

960
00:48:42,400 –> 00:48:45,100
Some asshole, goes, he meets a
red-tailed hawk.

961
00:48:45,100 –> 00:48:47,700
That’s what a Tobias from
Animorphs, was permanently

962
00:48:47,700 –> 00:48:50,000
trapped as so.
Oh, big fan of the red-tailed

963
00:48:50,000 –> 00:48:52,200
hawk, nice.
And also young adult fiction

964
00:48:52,200 –> 00:48:56,000
from the late 90s, that was
available in every children’s

965
00:48:56,000 –> 00:49:00,100
Library, who’s not into that.
We should get out of This was,

966
00:49:00,700 –> 00:49:02,900
this was, this was fun.
Yeah, we hope you guy.

967
00:49:03,200 –> 00:49:04,700
Definitely learn something.
I hope you guys learned

968
00:49:04,700 –> 00:49:06,700
something.
Yeah, after a court, another one

969
00:49:06,700 –> 00:49:11,200
of these after this, and hey, if
you’re rushing towards a tragedy

970
00:49:11,200 –> 00:49:15,300
to help recover bodies, don’t
refuse the bronze star of

971
00:49:15,300 –> 00:49:17,100
Courage.
After the fact because it’s

972
00:49:17,100 –> 00:49:19,300
going to make you look like,
you’re trying to connect some

973
00:49:19,300 –> 00:49:21,900
pieces and then you’re going to
get murdered in the woods.

974
00:49:21,900 –> 00:49:23,000
Exactly.
Exactly.

975
00:49:23,000 –> 00:49:24,700
And those are words of wisdom,
we can all get by.

976
00:49:24,800 –> 00:49:28,100
Yeah, I think that’s, that’s
something we can all live live

977
00:49:28,100 –> 00:49:30,300
by.
So, You have anything to plug

978
00:49:30,300 –> 00:49:33,500
before we get out of here.
So I got a podcast on my own I

979
00:49:33,508 –> 00:49:35,500
do with my my friend, Keith
Curry called mean, boys.

980
00:49:35,700 –> 00:49:38,400
It’s a strip that out.
Please, it’s a scripted comedy

981
00:49:38,400 –> 00:49:40,200
podcast.
We’re a joke, sketches and

982
00:49:40,200 –> 00:49:42,100
games.
It’s a lot of fun and very proud

983
00:49:42,100 –> 00:49:43,700
of it.
So if you if you thought I was

984
00:49:43,700 –> 00:49:45,300
compelling it all please give
that a listen.

985
00:49:45,400 –> 00:49:48,300
Yeah, give it a listen I was on
it not too long ago and it was

986
00:49:48,300 –> 00:49:50,100
fantastic.
Good time good jumping-off point

987
00:49:50,100 –> 00:49:51,900
for you.
ATB heads out there.

988
00:49:52,000 –> 00:49:58,500
Yeah, fun podcast And subscribe
on patreon if you don’t already

989
00:49:58,600 –> 00:50:01,100
five dollars a To get all of our
podcasts.

990
00:50:01,300 –> 00:50:04,600
And it’s, it’s a damn good deal.
Would do ten episodes a week.

991
00:50:04,600 –> 00:50:07,600
It’s like 12 and a half episode
or that’s, why would a contents

992
00:50:07,600 –> 00:50:09,500
than a bangbros membership?
I mean, what are you?

993
00:50:09,500 –> 00:50:10,900
What are you doing?
45 minutes.

994
00:50:10,900 –> 00:50:14,400
Shoddily edited seanad and more
fuckin yeah, yeah.

995
00:50:14,400 –> 00:50:15,500
What people don’t know that.
Yeah.

996
00:50:15,500 –> 00:50:16,500
Do a lot of fuck.
It is.

997
00:50:16,508 –> 00:50:18,500
Those people can’t Pony up the
five bucks a month.

998
00:50:18,500 –> 00:50:21,000
Yeah they would know assholes,
they could do that.

999
00:50:21,100 –> 00:50:23,500
Yeah.
And follow us on the social zon

1000
00:50:23,500 –> 00:50:27,700
Pops that podcast on Instagram.
Add on pops on Twitter, on pops

1001
00:50:27,700 –> 00:50:31,000
Network on Facebook.
And then pops on YouTube.

1002
00:50:31,000 –> 00:50:33,900
I think that’s it and help us
come up with a name for this

1003
00:50:33,900 –> 00:50:34,800
show.
Yeah.

1004
00:50:34,800 –> 00:50:38,900
I still like conspiracy the show
conspiracy dot the show.

1005
00:50:39,000 –> 00:50:40,600
I’m down with that.
We could do that.

1006
00:50:40,800 –> 00:50:44,500
We’ll figure it out.
Yeah, alright I think that’s it.

1007
00:50:44,500 –> 00:50:46,500
Let’s record the next one.
Connor say goodbye.

1008
00:50:46,800 –> 00:50:48,100
Bye.
Goodbye everybody.

1009
00:50:48,100 –> 00:50:48,600
We love it.