Adam and Fizaa discuss the 2004 documentary The Origins of AIDS, which claims the AIDS epidemic started as the result of a polio vaccine gone wrong
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I went through the transparent,
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Hey, everybody, Welcome to
conspiracy the show.
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I’m Adam Todd Brown.
Who are you?
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I’m visited, Sonny.
Thanks for having me again.
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We are your hosts this week.
We are talking about some crazy
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shit.
But peruse before we get into
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it, how are you?
I’m doing pretty well.
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All things considered, you know,
everyone knows the world is on
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fire in a way.
So for good reason though.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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It’s, you know, I think that
That we there’s a there’s some
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stuff we need to burn down
systemic racism, burn it.
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The police state burn it.
Yeah that’s the thing like we
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get negative comments and
reviews on iTunes from like
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Trump supporters and what not
for this podcast but like that’s
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a compliment.
Yeah, it is kind of a compliment
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and also if you’re one of those
people like you can’t listen to
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a conspiracy theory podcast and
also endorse police.
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Against American citizens.
Those are those are not things
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that can exist in the same
place.
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You can’t listen to this podcast
and also be okay with the
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government cracking down on
black people.
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Yeah, it’s not pro-life, it’s
not pro-life.
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And it’s not pro small
government like everything
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that’s happening right now.
Every person listening to this
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podcast should support and if
you don’t I’m sorry, you’re
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listening to the wrong.
Wrong fucking podcast because
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all of that anti-government shit
that white nationalist types
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have been spewing for years and
years and years, like it’s all
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happening to black people.
Right now, all of that
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militarized police force
cracking down on people.
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It’s happening to black people
who are American citizens, just
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like you.
Yeah, racism sucks.
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It really does.
And if you No problem with this
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podcast, not being pro racist,
fuck you, we don’t need your
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support, I promise you that
dude.
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So, I got a New York Times news
alert and it said that the
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something like the Army was
totally open to changing their
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Confederate base names or their
base names that are named after
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Confederate, I guess, heroes, or
whatever.
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And Trump said, no, that was bad
luck.
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Trump said, no.
They’re like, yeah, we’re
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totally open to like, get rid of
those races bullshit and Trump’s
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like nah, no, that’s fucking
bananas.
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I he wants a base in the future.
Do you get rid of that shit?
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No one’s meant building him a
base anytime soon.
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And like, that, argument that
oh, well, the all those
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Confederate monuments.
That’s our history.
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No motherfucker.
This is our history.
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We are still a very young nation
and what’s happening right now
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is Also our history, and if that
involves taking down the racist,
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fucking relics of our previous
history.
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So be it, it’s all history.
Like you’re just gonna have to
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accept it.
Goodbye.
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Racist statues.
And it’s just like, how can one
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claim to be the Supreme dominant
race?
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When your genetics that allow
you to be that race are
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recessive.
I’m just saying, what are you
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trying to prove?
It’s just like your melon and
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makes he aged better, do it for
your children.
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You know, nature likes diversity
nature doesn’t like inbreeding.
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So you know what I’m saying?
Like spread those genes out, we
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have Mobility Health.
Racism is over white.
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It doesn’t crack white cracks.
Yeah, crack.
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So fucking bad cracks, crinkles
wrinkles.
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You’re doing well though, Todd,
you’re keeping it together.
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Adam.
Out of lotion.
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I have to put on my face every
time I shower you wouldn’t like
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I go through like a bottle a
week, it’s not Well, it’s like
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working.
You’re keeping it very hydrated.
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I called Utah.
Do you ever go by your middle
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name?
Some people go by their middle
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name, but like you go by both
the fur.
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Do you like?
Yeah, I do my best.
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My niece calls me, Todd.
And that’s his.
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She’s the only person who calls
me Todd.
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And now, I guess you also that’s
fine.
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Adam Thailand, just, let’s just
see what comes out.
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So, we’re talking about
something today that I think
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also ties into systemic racism.
ISM.
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I would argue which is the
origin of the AIDS virus.
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Yeah, we’re talking about it in
the context of a 2004
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documentary called the origins
of AIDS, which was based on a
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book called the river, which is
super hard to find now, right.
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Which right away leads me to
believe that this theory is
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mostly true.
Like, whenever one of those
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books is really hard to find,
I’m like, okay, they were onto
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something.
Yeah.
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The hypothesis is basically that
an oral polio vaccine that was
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tested and administered in the
Congo by dr.
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Hillary the prowl ski caused the
AIDS epidemic by accidentally,
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infecting people with HIV.
So that’s a direct result of
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colonialism, right?
Because it’s just like, well,
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let’s go to Belgium Congo and
these are test subjects that are
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easily available legally and I
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Yeah.
And that’s like well, we’ll get
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into the details of it in a bit
but that’s exactly how it
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happened.
Like, at one point, during the
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testing of all this, they were
like well, where can we go and
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test this in a, not really
ethical way, but still legal.
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And the answer in cases like
that is almost always Africa.
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Yeah.
Like who do white people not
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care about?
Yeah.
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Or who they care about least
who’s Expendable?
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Yeah.
And Lee.
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It always ends up being Africa
and just some to run through
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some backs and stats about AIDS.
In 20 years, AIDS has become the
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worst medical catastrophe.
Ever experienced by human kind,
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that is a quote from the
documentary, 26 million dead, 40
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million, infected and Counting
just it’s that it’s an enormous
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pandemic and it Been going on
for when was it identified early
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80s?
The first case I believe was
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identified yeah in the u.s. it
really kicked off in the 80s and
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if you go back and look at our
government’s response to it, it
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was mostly written off because
it was considered a gay disease.
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There’s a really famous press
briefing from the Reagan Era,
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where a reporter asks, the White
House Press Secretary.
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At the time, I don’t remember
who it was about.
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The AIDS epidemic and how I
think at that point, like 6,000
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people in the US had died from
it.
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And this reporter asks about it
and the press secretary is like
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no of course we haven’t looked
at.
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Do you think you have it?
And it was all because it was a
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considered a gay disease.
Yeah, there’s so much stigma and
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ignorance around it.
Also they had no idea for a
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while.
How long, you know, how people
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spread it to each other and
also, Oh, there’s in, I don’t
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know if it’s an incubation but
there’s a period of like ten
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years before you even show
symptoms.
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So you could be passing it
around for 10 years.
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Sexually intravenously, breast
milk, you can’t get it from
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saliva.
Do saliva, kills age.
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You’re not going to believe
this, but I don’t have it.
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I don’t know if it kills AIDS,
but saliva can’t transmit AIDS.
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I’m just like, okay, I gotta be
responsible with what I’m
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putting out there.
Yeah, if you can believe, This
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the point where AIDS actually
started being considered a real
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problem in this country was when
a white kid got it.
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It was a kid in, I think Indiana
is named very appropriately, I
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believe was Ryan White, he
contracted AIDS as a child.
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And once that happened like that
became news in like 86 or 87,
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like I’m old enough to remember
all this.
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I remember Our Rock Hudson
coming out, you know?
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Yeah.
As having tested positive for
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AIDS and like that’s when we
found out he was gay his entire
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career.
Yeah.
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Because the internet didn’t
exist, then and Ryan White got
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AIDS and that was just like a 12
year old kid in Indiana.
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So then all of America was like
oh my God AIDS.
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We should still not do anything
about this but let’s pretend we
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care.
Yeah yeah that was the reaction.
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There was a lot of ignorance and
stigma.
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And I mean, even now it’s just
the people who survive are the
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ones who have access and
resources, like Magic Johnson
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undetectable.
Someone spit in him.
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Yeah, exactly.
HIV was, first.
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Isolated in 1983 by Luc,
montagnier and Francois see,
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Noah says teams at the Pasteur.
Toot in Paris in 1989,
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researchers identified, a virus
similar to HIV in a chimpanzee
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that was SIV, Simian,
immunodeficiency, virus
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researchers.
Designated SIV as the ancestor
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of HIV, which is human
immunodeficiency, virus, right?
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And they bring up a really
interesting thing in this
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documentary, which is that HIV
does not impact.
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Act chimpanzees the same way.
Yeah, it will not develop AIDS.
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Instead.
Chimps just develop antibodies
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and the HIV goes away.
Yeah, they recover.
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And that part is really, really,
really important to what we’re
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talking about today.
And the reason it’s important
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is, let’s say you’re testing a
vaccine that might accidentally
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Jane HIV.
If you’re testing That vaccine
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on chimps who are impacted by
HIV, a completely different way
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than humans.
Then you’re not going to detect
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the HIV in those vaccines
because the chimps are just
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recovering from it.
And if you’re testing, like, you
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have to look for symptoms and
things to know to check for
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something.
So it’s just not the right group
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to test on, right?
And that is really Important to
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this entire story.
But before we get there, where
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did the AIDS epidemic begin?
It is generally believed to have
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begun in Northeast Zaire in
Uganda, which was formerly
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Belgian.
Congo, the Belgian Congo right
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in 1959.
A Belgian physician collected
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2000 blood samples from the
residence of the Belgian Congo
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scientist in the 1980s tested
those blood samples for HIV.
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One sample was positive and that
is generally considered to be
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the first positive, eight
sample.
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And that sample came from can
Shasha, which is formally
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leopoldville capital of the
Congo, but I didn’t need to tell
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anyone in that.
Like, everyone knows that.
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That’s a joke.
No wonder, he doesn’t people
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don’t know that.
So the, the question is, how
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does SIV become HIV?
How does it pass to humans?
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And there are two theories.
Freeze.
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In that regard, the most widely
accepted theory was the hunting
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and gather or the hunting of
chimps, so eating the meat.
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So it’s suggested that at some
point and infected chimp with
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SIV, may have been, you know,
being prepared the meat of it
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and it cut maybe the person
preparing it got cut or hunting,
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it got cut and contracted SIV,
which mutated into a HIV.
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Right.
And the other possible
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explanation is that vaccines
that were made from monkeys were
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administered to humans monkeys
some which had SIV right and
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science tends to lead toward the
hunter Theory, which is like you
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said people in Africa where
hunting monkeys for food and
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maybe they got scratched while
they were trying to In one of
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those monkeys, it’s just odd
that after, you know, probably a
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long tradition of hunting
monkeys that just you know, this
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or the last century is when SI
or HIV popped up.
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Even now most scientists would
say, maybe the earliest case of
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this and this, you know, maybe
there were several times where
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it jumped from the monkey to the
human but it just didn’t spread,
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it didn’t create a pandemic but
What they’re saying the earliest
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case would have been I think
somewhere around 1910 1920
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around then but that still
doesn’t account for the years
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and years prior of hunting.
So let’s talk about polio and
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HIV.
This is like, we mentioned at
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the top of the show, this is
basically the theory is that HIV
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spread through polio vaccines in
1992 and It journalist named Tom
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Curtis published an article
called the origin of AIDS in
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Rolling Stone magazine.
According to Curtis E, received
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a packet of documents suggesting
that aids had been accidentally
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implanted into people during
polio vaccines which much like
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an earlier case of a monkey
virus, sv40 that had infected
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millions of people through the
polio vaccine SIV is also a
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monkey virus, so So Curtis
postulated, that the polio
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vaccination campaign in the
1950s across the Congo may have
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been the cause for the epidemic
and I just want to point out
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that the monkey virus.
Sv40, that a lot of people got
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through a polio vaccine did not
have any, he was asymptomatic
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for humans.
So it didn’t really affect
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humans but they still contracted
a monkey virus from a vaccine So
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it’s possible and the fact that
it didn’t really impact humans.
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They were just like, yeah,
whatever.
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Yeah.
Didn’t even Haley quality, you
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know, will be fine.
They didn’t anticipate SIV
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turning to HIV, right?
And this article implicated a
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scientist named Hillary
Kapowski, he was a researcher
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and Pioneer in the fight against
polio and he developed the
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vaccine that was used in the
Congo that is pointed to as
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being the one that spread AIDS.
So, was it contaminated vaccine
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then, right?
And scientists, at least,
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Western scientists and
pharmaceutical companies.
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Both hate this fucking Theory,
scientists, because it
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implicates Hillary Kapowski.
Who is a legend in science.
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He invented the polio vaccine
and polio killed and maimed.
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A lot of people Around the
world.
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So of course, he’s heralded as a
hero for that Polio.
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I mean the polio vaccine is
considered one of the greatest
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scientific achievement and
modern medicine.
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So this, you know, especially at
the time was someone who people
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didn’t want to see knockdown,
right?
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And also now that the polio
vaccine exists changing, it
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would be a lot of time and money
invested on the part of
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pharmaceutical companies and
they don’t want to fucking do
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that.
That.
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And it’s interesting because
where does a lot of financing
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come from for scientists in this
field?
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Yeah.
So might be kind of in their
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pockets, you know.
And then also you know, if I
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think if a scientist is
implicated for having made a
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mistake with such enormous
consequences, it could maybe
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halt other side shit going on
and that’s not good.
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That’s not, I think, for
scientists who are trying to
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move forward, that’s maybe not
really good for timely progress
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in there.
You know, I, I’m not saying
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that’s how I feel.
I could take ethics into
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consideration, but it’s also a
lot of work.
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It is more efficient to test on
live creatures, but it might not
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I think what this is a good
example of is a thing.
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I’ve wanted to bring up on the
main unpopular Opinion podcast
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and just haven’t so far, which
is you should always trust good
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science but you don’t always
have to trust scientists.
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Mmm.
Yeah.
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Like scientists are kind of the
cops of Science and one thing we
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know about cops is when they
know they’ve been caught doing
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wrong.
What are they going to do?
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Are they going to admit it or
they can a double down on being
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wrong?
You see that same thing with
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scientists and you see it here
where there is a lot of at least
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circumstantial evidence, that
what happened with this polio
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vaccine did actually lead to
AIDS being spread in Africa but
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scientists who we trust to look
at something from a scientific
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perspective are looking at this
issue and going.
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No, no that’s It’s not.
Yeah, I get that.
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At the same time this vaccine
started being tested in the
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Congo.
AIDS also started there and that
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feels very like a very
scientific explanation but no
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and it’s like trust evidence
don’t trust people.
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Yeah.
And even Beyond sort of that
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evidence there is there’s more
evidence and you know of where
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they sourced these vaccines from
which you know we were talking
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about earlier Chimpanzees
infected chimpanzees, when they
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didn’t know they were infected,
because HIV wasn’t as IV, wasn’t
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identified.
It was that’s IV, identify it
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couldn’t have been, they
wouldn’t have used monkeys that
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they thought would kill people
but they were willing to test
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and see what happened.
Right.
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And you see when you watch this
documentary The Scientist in
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question, just blatantly lying
about whether he used
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chimpanzees.
Yeah.
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And that’s all the more reason.
He’s and to treat scientists as
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people who are fallible.
They are not just because
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they’re scientists.
And like, we’re living in a
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society, where the idea that
science is always better than
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God is very heavily promoted and
it’s not necessarily wrong, but
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it doesn’t make scientists
perfect.
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Well, it’s like also, why are
they compared?
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You know, it’s different things
science.
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The science is a method and a
compilation.
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Mission of proven evidence.
That is always a, you know, can
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be amended based on new evidence
and spiritual beliefs you know,
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can be a separate thing.
I don’t understand why it’s sort
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of like we need science to.
It’s like we hate religion.
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So much science is going to be
the antithesis of this.
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And that’s, you know, that’s a
little dramatic.
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And you also have to consider
we’re talking about science in
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like the 1940s and 50s.
That’s a whole different world
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than And what we’re living in.
Now, science is a scene back
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then.
Yeah, like this is when science
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was given people LSD to see what
would happen, like they were
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given people LSD at
government-sanctioned brothels
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in San Francisco, like it was a
completely different world and
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if you think science wasn’t
capable of doing something like
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this.
At the time, Egypt is a good
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example of how you are wrong.
Wrong Egypt right now is on the
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verge of eradicating hepatitis C
in their society altogether and
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the reason they’ve been so
Vigilant about eradicating,
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hepatitis C is because in the
1950s, they launched this
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massive campaign to vaccinate
everyone against this disease
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called schistosomiasis, okay?
Hold on.
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I’m gonna try skin.
Schistosomiasis.
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Yeah.
You might be.
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Yeah, schistosomiasis noun schi.
Actually, can you give it to me
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in a sentence?
Oh, you already were?
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I did, ya already did.
That’s a one-time thing.
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So they launched the massive
campaign, back vaccination
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campaign, to fight
schistosomiasis, but in the
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process, they gave a shit load
of people Pepsi because science
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at the time didn’t realize.
You can’t reuse needles.
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Yeah, yeah.
So We’re talking about 1950s
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science, he had this is before
the single-use syringe.
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Yeah.
So don’t hear the word science
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and go well no of course
everything there they’re going
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to tell me is correct.
These scientists might have
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fucked up and spread AIDS in
Africa.
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It’s very possible.
It’s a thing that happened in
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Egypt with a different disease
at the exact same time science
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is not infallible.
Science is infallible, Tests are
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not.
Yes, yes.
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So you know people are people,
you know, it’s always you’re
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always gonna be going through
you know science.
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We hope is untainted just
neutral evidence.
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Whereas people are always going
to have their own bias and their
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own filter navigating through
the world, in the even in their
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work, even in their work, it
happens.
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Yeah and at the time polio it
was a disease that was killing
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mostly children.
So you have to like Imagine if
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coronavirus right now only
killed kids, imagine the
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pressure on science to come up
with a vaccine.
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If those 110,000 dead people in
the United States were mostly
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kids, we would be leaning on
science every day to come up
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with a vaccine as quickly as
possible.
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Oh yeah.
They’d be in a pressure cooker.
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Yeah and that’s what happened
with polio because it mostly
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impacted kids.
So the American Like was like
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fix this fix it right now and
that led to science kind of
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cutting some Corners in figuring
out how to fix it.
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Yeah, I mean that’s the thing
there’s so much pressure and you
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can only do what you can do.
So you know, I’m not I’m not
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defending unethical Behavior but
I guess when you have that many
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lives at stake and people
breathing down your neck sits,
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you’re going to be kind of
desperate to find this and then
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people who are career
scientists, you know, probably
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want to be.
Be the one, right?
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The one to find it.
Yeah.
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And that’s the same thing we’re
seeing now.
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There’s so many companies that
want to be that company that
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comes up with a vaccine and
like, the company that Trump
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decided to pump most of the
government money into a company
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called moderna.
It’s the company that said they
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would come up with a vaccine,
the quickest, but they’re also a
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company that has literally never
gotten a drug approved on the
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market.
So, I get the inclination to
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want to fix something like this
really fast, but you don’t want
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the thing you come up with, to
fix it to be a thing that also
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kills people.
Yeah.
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That’s not ideal, right?
And that’s kind of what ended up
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happening with the polio
vaccine.
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Joseph sock, in 1958 developed
an injected vaccine, 90 million
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Americans were vaccinated
against polio, it was the first
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vaccine to be derived from A
monkey organs, lab shipped
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macaque monkeys in from
everywhere.
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For those monkey kidneys.
Yeah, when I saw how they made
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the polio vaccine, that was it
doesn’t seem that hard.
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It seems maybe as easy as
cooking crack.
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Yeah.
You just, you cut up a monkey
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kidney with some scissors and
you put that into a flask, it’s
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like cooking.
Yeah, you add the polio virus,
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which we all have on hand in our
cabinet collect, the liquid
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filter out the cells, kill it
with.
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Formaldehyde put it in the
bottle, you’re done.
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And that was actually kind of
the process for developing the
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first polio vaccine.
And this was the injected
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vaccine, which is different from
the hilly, Hillary Kapowski one,
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which was oral.
And when this first vaccine was
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approved, the FDA knew that
these literal mashed up monkey
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guts.
Probably were not good for like
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they probably contained other
diseases but we We were so
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desperate to stop polio that, no
one really cared.
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And Tom Curtis, the guy who
wrote the Rolling Stone article,
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he included all of this in that
article, but his one mistake, he
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got the monkey wrong, he got the
monkey wrong in his article.
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He said that Hillary Kapowski
made his vaccines from the
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African Green Monkey, instead of
the macaque.
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And the problem was the African
green monkey.
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He does not carry SIV.
So because of that, one mistake,
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Rolling Stone issued, a complete
retraction.
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And they were like, we’re sorry
for ever writing this article.
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And that doesn’t mean the rest
of his research was incorrect.
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00:28:20,000 –> 00:28:21,700
Yeah.
They really threw the baby out
439
00:28:21,700 –> 00:28:23,700
with the bathwater.
Yeah.
440
00:28:23,700 –> 00:28:28,800
And there’s a really famous news
article from the 1990s written
441
00:28:28,800 –> 00:28:34,600
by a guy named Gary Webb, which
basically Lee said that the CIA
442
00:28:34,600 –> 00:28:39,000
was responsible for spreading,
crack cocaine in the United
443
00:28:39,000 –> 00:28:43,400
States in the 80s and 90s.
And if you ask people who are
444
00:28:43,400 –> 00:28:48,300
just kind of casual observers of
the news, they will tell you
445
00:28:48,300 –> 00:28:52,900
that, Gary, Webb’s conspiracy
theory was debunked by the New
446
00:28:52,900 –> 00:28:58,000
York Times, and no, the New York
Times just took a little bit of
447
00:28:58,000 –> 00:29:02,200
issue with how he reported a
couple aspects.
448
00:29:02,300 –> 00:29:05,800
Of the story.
People have taken that to mean,
449
00:29:05,900 –> 00:29:09,800
oh, the New York Times debunked
that story and no, they didn’t,
450
00:29:09,800 –> 00:29:14,000
they just didn’t completely
agree with his methods and it’s
451
00:29:14,000 –> 00:29:19,500
the same thing here, we’re just
because this one independent
452
00:29:19,500 –> 00:29:23,700
journalist writing in rolling
rolling stone, got one, detail
453
00:29:23,700 –> 00:29:29,400
wrong history has just written
off this entire idea that maybe
454
00:29:29,400 –> 00:29:34,000
AIDS started with the polio
vaccine and And for good reason
455
00:29:34,000 –> 00:29:37,200
there, you know, there is
there’s motive there to write it
456
00:29:37,200 –> 00:29:40,300
off, you know, if they can see.
Oh, here’s some evidence to just
457
00:29:41,600 –> 00:29:45,900
to throw this problem away.
Just, you know, it’s again, the
458
00:29:45,900 –> 00:29:48,000
scientists don’t want to be
implicated.
459
00:29:48,000 –> 00:29:51,100
They don’t want one of their own
to be implicated for, you know,
460
00:29:51,100 –> 00:29:56,100
something that’s been so
devastating to the world, right?
461
00:29:56,100 –> 00:30:00,900
That’s, that’s not a good look.
It’s a terrible look, and it’s
462
00:30:00,900 –> 00:30:06,800
not what we From science like we
treat science as this thing
463
00:30:06,800 –> 00:30:09,900
where if they’re wrong, they’re
going to tell us they’re wrong.
464
00:30:09,900 –> 00:30:14,000
And you can’t expect that
because scientists are still
465
00:30:14,000 –> 00:30:18,300
people and they’re still going
to be influence by, whatever
466
00:30:18,300 –> 00:30:22,500
people are influenced by.
I bring up this fucking case all
467
00:30:22,500 –> 00:30:27,500
the time, but when we were
really going hard against vaping
468
00:30:27,500 –> 00:30:30,600
in this country.
Yeah, there’s this report that
469
00:30:30,600 –> 00:30:33,900
people point to all the time.
I’m that claims Jewel,
470
00:30:33,900 –> 00:30:37,900
cartridges and cigarettes have
the same chemicals in them,
471
00:30:38,100 –> 00:30:41,000
which is really alarming because
chemicals have like formaldehyde
472
00:30:41,000 –> 00:30:42,700
and all that shit in them.
Yeah.
473
00:30:42,900 –> 00:30:46,800
But all that report was saying
was that chemical, that
474
00:30:46,800 –> 00:30:50,600
cigarettes and Jewel cartridges
have the same chemicals that are
475
00:30:50,600 –> 00:30:53,200
like.
The reason Disneyland has to put
476
00:30:53,200 –> 00:30:55,700
up signs that say, Hey, if you
walk in here, you might get
477
00:30:55,700 –> 00:31:00,400
cancer, like their chemicals and
compounds that were all exposed
478
00:31:00,400 –> 00:31:03,800
to every day just by Going out
in the world.
479
00:31:03,800 –> 00:31:07,100
So naturally they’re going to be
in cigarettes and in Jewel
480
00:31:07,100 –> 00:31:11,200
cartridges, but what those two
things don’t share our
481
00:31:11,200 –> 00:31:16,000
formaldehyde and all the shit
that tobacco companies pump into
482
00:31:16,100 –> 00:31:18,300
cigarettes, to make them more
addictive.
483
00:31:18,300 –> 00:31:21,900
But people just see that
headline and see that it’s from
484
00:31:21,900 –> 00:31:25,600
science and they go.
Okay, well, science has said,
485
00:31:25,600 –> 00:31:28,800
these two things are the same
thing but the scientists
486
00:31:28,800 –> 00:31:34,000
involved in that all had a
vested interest First in tobacco
487
00:31:34,000 –> 00:31:38,600
cessation devices.
So they were they had a
488
00:31:38,600 –> 00:31:44,400
financial interest in tying
tobacco and Jewel cartridges
489
00:31:44,600 –> 00:31:49,300
together in a dangerous way and
they did it in a, not really
490
00:31:49,300 –> 00:31:53,700
scientifically ethical way but
people just see.
491
00:31:53,700 –> 00:31:57,700
Oh, science, they said this.
So obviously it’s cool.
492
00:31:57,800 –> 00:31:59,600
And like scientists are people,
too?
493
00:31:59,700 –> 00:32:05,100
And if science was wrong about
Being responsible for spreading
494
00:32:05,200 –> 00:32:07,300
AIDS.
Of course they’re going to
495
00:32:07,300 –> 00:32:11,100
fucking lie about it.
Yeah I mean it’s politics also.
496
00:32:11,100 –> 00:32:14,700
Yeah it’s politics it’s there’s
money involved, you know, there
497
00:32:14,700 –> 00:32:18,800
could be, you know, there could
be legal consequences, maybe,
498
00:32:18,800 –> 00:32:23,200
who knows?
So it makes sense to say, oh it
499
00:32:23,200 –> 00:32:28,400
came from, you know, the native
people eating the monkeys.
500
00:32:28,500 –> 00:32:33,100
You know, that’s a that’s I mean
I don’t even maybe for them that
501
00:32:33,100 –> 00:32:35,700
seems like an elegant solution.
Yeah.
502
00:32:35,800 –> 00:32:39,400
So the way this gets tied to
Africa.
503
00:32:39,400 –> 00:32:43,600
Is that first scientist who
developed this vaccine?
504
00:32:43,600 –> 00:32:48,300
Joseph Falk, his injected
vaccine eventually killed 11
505
00:32:48,300 –> 00:32:51,900
kids.
There was a bad batch basically,
506
00:32:51,900 –> 00:32:53,700
that made hundreds of people
sick.
507
00:32:53,800 –> 00:32:57,700
It killed 11 kids.
So we started looking for
508
00:32:57,700 –> 00:33:01,900
another vaccine and Hillary
Kapowski had this.
509
00:33:02,300 –> 00:33:07,300
Vaccine that he wanted to test
but he wanted to test it fast
510
00:33:07,500 –> 00:33:11,900
because this was now a crisis
that he could capitalize on.
511
00:33:11,900 –> 00:33:16,600
So e ends up, testing it in the
Belgian Congo.
512
00:33:16,600 –> 00:33:23,000
And what’s really interesting is
he starts testing his polio
513
00:33:23,000 –> 00:33:28,200
vaccine in the Belgian Congo.
And the first AIDS cases that
514
00:33:28,200 –> 00:33:31,900
everyone in science has
documented as the first AIDS
515
00:33:31,900 –> 00:33:33,800
case.
Aces start happening.
516
00:33:33,900 –> 00:33:37,800
A couple years later in the
Belgian Congo, amongst the
517
00:33:37,808 –> 00:33:42,400
victims of colonialism, right?
So it’s not just, you know, it’s
518
00:33:42,400 –> 00:33:45,800
not the the belgians.
Yeah, yeah, of course he yeah,
519
00:33:45,800 –> 00:33:50,400
we say Belgian Congo, but these
are black people that this was
520
00:33:50,400 –> 00:33:53,800
being tested on it.
What the Congo was?
521
00:33:53,800 –> 00:33:57,100
A fucking Colony owned by
Belgium at the time?
522
00:33:57,200 –> 00:34:00,700
Yeah.
And so, the first AIDS cases
523
00:34:00,700 –> 00:34:05,800
start popping up in That area at
the exact same time, this
524
00:34:05,800 –> 00:34:09,100
vaccine is being tested which in
that time frame.
525
00:34:09,100 –> 00:34:14,000
So if people were infected, then
this would be the time that the
526
00:34:14,300 –> 00:34:18,400
the age would start showing
itself and that does fit the
527
00:34:18,400 –> 00:34:23,000
timeline of when they were
testing and possibly infected by
528
00:34:23,000 –> 00:34:26,300
his his oral vaccination.
Right?
529
00:34:26,300 –> 00:34:29,900
It’s like even if the argument
is no, this is from people,
530
00:34:29,900 –> 00:34:34,500
hunting monkeys and Mabley,
Maybe Be getting scratched or
531
00:34:34,500 –> 00:34:37,100
infected.
Otherwise infected in that
532
00:34:37,100 –> 00:34:41,400
process the question is still
why did it just start at this
533
00:34:41,400 –> 00:34:43,400
point?
Like why did it start in the
534
00:34:43,408 –> 00:34:45,100
1950s?
Yes.
535
00:34:45,100 –> 00:34:48,600
Actually they’re saying hunting
monkeys forever.
536
00:34:48,699 –> 00:34:52,800
Yeah, especially when they were
saying that there probably were
537
00:34:52,800 –> 00:34:56,500
several different points where
the SIV could have jumped and
538
00:34:56,500 –> 00:35:00,200
turned into HIV on the human and
how come it didn’t become a
539
00:35:00,200 –> 00:35:02,000
pandemic at that time.
Why?
540
00:35:02,300 –> 00:35:07,900
And so in 1985, pathologist
Cecil Fox, who is interviewed
541
00:35:07,900 –> 00:35:12,300
extensively in this documentary,
he went to the FDA to get the
542
00:35:12,300 –> 00:35:17,400
vaccine that had been used in
the Congo tested for viruses and
543
00:35:17,400 –> 00:35:20,300
he was told it was already
tested so it’s fine.
544
00:35:20,300 –> 00:35:26,400
But back in 1958 there was at
the same time, Hilary the prowl
545
00:35:26,400 –> 00:35:31,100
ski was testing his vaccine in
the Congo.
546
00:35:31,100 –> 00:35:35,300
There was another Were polio
vaccine developer named Albert
547
00:35:35,300 –> 00:35:38,300
Sabin.
Who was also trying to develop a
548
00:35:38,300 –> 00:35:42,500
polio vaccine at the same time
and he analyzed Kapowski is
549
00:35:42,500 –> 00:35:48,000
vaccine, which was called chat
and found it to be unstable and
550
00:35:48,000 –> 00:35:53,100
contaminated by an unknown
virus, which he called virus X
551
00:35:53,200 –> 00:35:54,700
surprised.
He didn’t like that.
552
00:35:54,900 –> 00:35:58,100
He in fact, he disliked it so
much that he wrote Saving a
553
00:35:58,107 –> 00:36:02,000
letter and return stating that
he had some nerve, you know.
554
00:36:02,200 –> 00:36:04,900
Nerve.
Yeah, but nerve that and that is
555
00:36:04,900 –> 00:36:09,100
basically what his reply was.
Was, how deep are you?
556
00:36:09,600 –> 00:36:11,400
Yeah.
How dare you question me?
557
00:36:11,400 –> 00:36:14,400
I’ve been working on this for so
many years and it’s like, yeah,
558
00:36:14,400 –> 00:36:18,200
but your work is wrong.
So, yeah, there’s, you know, ego
559
00:36:18,200 –> 00:36:20,900
and arrogance.
That’s, that’s a very human
560
00:36:20,900 –> 00:36:24,100
quality again, right?
You know, Kapowski.
561
00:36:24,100 –> 00:36:25,900
He’s a scientist and he’s a
human.
562
00:36:26,100 –> 00:36:30,100
Yeah, he’s a scientist but he’s
also an egotistical white dude.
563
00:36:30,100 –> 00:36:33,800
Who doesn’t probably care if He
killed a bunch of black people
564
00:36:33,800 –> 00:36:36,800
with AIDS with his fucking
virus.
565
00:36:36,800 –> 00:36:40,900
Yeah, I mean, it’s he went to
the Belgian Congo for a reason.
566
00:36:41,000 –> 00:36:43,600
Yeah.
To save white people from polio
567
00:36:43,600 –> 00:36:47,600
at the expense of black people.
Yeah, imagine.
568
00:36:48,700 –> 00:36:53,800
So in 1999 a guy named Edward
Hooper published a book called
569
00:36:53,800 –> 00:36:58,300
The River in, which he posits
that chimpanzee blood went into
570
00:36:58,300 –> 00:37:02,000
making a prowl skis vaccine,
which is interesting because
571
00:37:02,200 –> 00:37:07,500
Chimpanzees aren’t even the best
source of that as we spoke about
572
00:37:07,500 –> 00:37:09,700
earlier.
Yeah as we mentioned earlier
573
00:37:09,700 –> 00:37:14,900
when a chimpanzee gets HIV, it
just fights it off and the HIV
574
00:37:14,900 –> 00:37:18,900
goes away.
So if you’re testing a vaccine
575
00:37:18,900 –> 00:37:24,900
on chimpanzees that contains HIV
it’s not going to impact them
576
00:37:24,900 –> 00:37:28,000
the same way.
It will, when you inject it into
577
00:37:28,000 –> 00:37:31,900
humans, react to HIV a very
different way.
578
00:37:32,100 –> 00:37:37,400
And the like the whole Crux of
the controversy here is did
579
00:37:37,400 –> 00:37:42,200
Hillary Kapowski test his
vaccine and derive his vaccine
580
00:37:42,400 –> 00:37:48,300
from chimpanzees or from monkeys
and he claims monkeys the whole
581
00:37:48,300 –> 00:37:51,700
fucking way.
But the problem is there is
582
00:37:52,100 –> 00:37:57,600
video of him testing vaccines on
chimpanzees in the Congo in the
583
00:37:57,600 –> 00:38:02,000
1950s, he actually created a
research Camp.
584
00:38:02,200 –> 00:38:06,500
The Congo called Camp Lindy,
which housed over 400
585
00:38:06,500 –> 00:38:11,900
chimpanzees ostensibly to test
his vaccines on and again,
586
00:38:11,900 –> 00:38:15,700
that’s the whole thing.
If he tested this vaccine on
587
00:38:15,700 –> 00:38:20,400
chimpanzees, in not monkeys,
this is absolutely where AIDS
588
00:38:20,400 –> 00:38:23,700
started.
Like there’s not much to debate,
589
00:38:23,800 –> 00:38:26,900
it makes sense.
Like if you’re testing it on an
590
00:38:26,900 –> 00:38:31,500
animal that doesn’t respond to
HIV the same way a human does
591
00:38:31,600 –> 00:38:35,400
then it’s It’s not science like
that’s flawed science.
592
00:38:35,500 –> 00:38:37,700
Oh, so he was lying in fatica
Lee, you know?
593
00:38:37,700 –> 00:38:41,200
And then there is he’s
documented on tape so it’s like
594
00:38:41,200 –> 00:38:44,500
that suspect.
Yeah, the fact that he would lie
595
00:38:44,500 –> 00:38:46,700
all of those years later.
Yeah.
596
00:38:47,100 –> 00:38:51,300
Like that’s someone who’s still
living in that pre-internet era.
597
00:38:51,300 –> 00:38:53,300
Where?
Oh well if it happened decades
598
00:38:53,300 –> 00:38:54,500
ago.
No one’s going to find.
599
00:38:54,500 –> 00:38:57,700
It looks like there’s a lot of
well it’s stake for him.
600
00:38:57,700 –> 00:39:00,900
Yeah, he probably perceives
there’s a lot of a lot at stake
601
00:39:00,900 –> 00:39:04,700
but I saw Some of us like how
the chimp The Chimps were
602
00:39:04,700 –> 00:39:07,800
treated, and it was, they were,
it was so cruel and then you
603
00:39:07,800 –> 00:39:11,600
can, you know, chimpanzees are
so close to humans.
604
00:39:11,600 –> 00:39:15,400
It’s, you know, you can, it’s
not hard to empathize with them
605
00:39:15,400 –> 00:39:19,400
as they’re being operated on
while they’re still alive or
606
00:39:19,400 –> 00:39:22,500
yeah, you couldn’t or having
their organs cut out of them
607
00:39:22,500 –> 00:39:24,500
while they’re still alive.
Its rule.
608
00:39:25,000 –> 00:39:29,500
You can see the horror on these
chimps faces in some of the
609
00:39:29,500 –> 00:39:33,300
images in this documentary, it
hurt like, They they know what
610
00:39:33,300 –> 00:39:37,000
they’re being led to they know
what is happening and it’s
611
00:39:37,000 –> 00:39:40,900
fucking heartbreaking and it
gave all of Africa AIDS.
612
00:39:41,200 –> 00:39:45,800
So yeah, like if he wasn’t
testing his vaccine on these
613
00:39:45,800 –> 00:39:49,900
chimps and developing his
vaccine from these chimps
614
00:39:49,900 –> 00:39:52,900
because that’s the other thing
there are people in this
615
00:39:52,900 –> 00:39:56,100
documentary who are like yeah,
well eventually all those chimps
616
00:39:56,100 –> 00:40:00,500
were slaughtered and that’s not
usually what happens to test
617
00:40:00,500 –> 00:40:03,500
animals.
So if Were slaughtered there.
618
00:40:03,500 –> 00:40:07,400
Had to be a reason why they
needed to be slaughtered, which
619
00:40:07,400 –> 00:40:11,500
was, perhaps their kidneys were
harvested to make this polio
620
00:40:11,500 –> 00:40:14,000
vaccine and need those to
survive.
621
00:40:14,000 –> 00:40:17,500
So, without those, I mean, you
got two dead, a dead chimp.
622
00:40:17,500 –> 00:40:21,400
Yeah, you just gotta just got a
gross hand puppet at that point
623
00:40:24,200 –> 00:40:28,800
faces its to, it’s a lot, but
she’s sad because with the
624
00:40:28,800 –> 00:40:32,600
people, you know, you don’t you
don’t torture that you At least
625
00:40:32,600 –> 00:40:35,800
act like you’re trying to help
like here’s a fact seeing with
626
00:40:35,800 –> 00:40:37,900
the chimps they didn’t give a
fuck.
627
00:40:38,200 –> 00:40:39,600
Yeah.
Yeah.
628
00:40:39,600 –> 00:40:45,600
And for him to have this
scientist who this Hillary
629
00:40:45,600 –> 00:40:49,900
Kapowski guy like he goes on TV
and in front of all these
630
00:40:49,900 –> 00:40:53,900
cameras and is like no I never
did anything with chimps and
631
00:40:53,900 –> 00:40:57,000
there’s video like he’s got a
full whole fucking chimp
632
00:40:57,000 –> 00:40:59,700
Factory.
It’s why in the Congo with the
633
00:40:59,700 –> 00:41:04,500
time he’s got like 400 chimps At
the exact same time, he’s coming
634
00:41:04,500 –> 00:41:07,800
up with the polio vaccine.
So where’s the monkeys?
635
00:41:07,800 –> 00:41:10,400
Where’s the video of you fucking
with a bunch of monkeys at the
636
00:41:10,408 –> 00:41:13,400
time?
Yeah, I mean it’s it’s I did
637
00:41:13,400 –> 00:41:14,500
just the chimp one.
Right?
638
00:41:14,500 –> 00:41:17,500
There’s no yeah.
Evidence of any monkeys.
639
00:41:17,800 –> 00:41:19,700
What kind of monkeys were they
using macaques?
640
00:41:19,700 –> 00:41:22,000
There were supposed to be using
mechanics.
641
00:41:22,000 –> 00:41:24,000
Yeah.
From like, Philippines India,
642
00:41:24,000 –> 00:41:26,600
right?
And those are the monkeys Joseph
643
00:41:26,600 –> 00:41:31,500
fock, who his vaccine killed,
like 11 people, and we’d because
644
00:41:31,500 –> 00:41:34,800
it was Contaminated batch,
right?
645
00:41:34,800 –> 00:41:39,100
And he was using monkeys from
the feel like he was using
646
00:41:39,100 –> 00:41:40,200
monkeys.
Yeah.
647
00:41:40,200 –> 00:41:45,800
Like the the question, the big
question here is did Hillary
648
00:41:45,800 –> 00:41:49,700
Kapowski actually use monkeys
when he made this vaccine?
649
00:41:49,700 –> 00:41:54,500
Or did he use chimpanzees?
Who if they were infected with
650
00:41:54,500 –> 00:41:57,100
HIV?
You wouldn’t know because HIV
651
00:41:57,100 –> 00:42:01,800
doesn’t infect them and it seems
like he used chimpanzees like he
652
00:42:01,800 –> 00:42:05,600
was Only working on chimpanzees
at the time and what’s
653
00:42:05,600 –> 00:42:10,600
concerning about it is the way
science has rallied around him
654
00:42:10,700 –> 00:42:15,000
and defended him in the face of
all this evidence that he
655
00:42:15,000 –> 00:42:17,600
probably did spread the AIDS
virus.
656
00:42:17,700 –> 00:42:22,500
Yeah, I was watching a lot of
videos online, just researching
657
00:42:22,500 –> 00:42:26,900
sort of the origin of AIDS and
it is you know widely accepted
658
00:42:26,900 –> 00:42:30,100
that it came from hunting chimps
and eating them.
659
00:42:30,100 –> 00:42:34,600
But you know, they even I think
they Bring up Kapowski and Then
660
00:42:34,900 –> 00:42:37,600
followed up with.
Well, you know that’s been
661
00:42:37,700 –> 00:42:41,900
debunked that he used chimps,
you know, and those or they’ll,
662
00:42:41,900 –> 00:42:45,100
you know, they’ll say something
so it’s not, you know, it’s,
663
00:42:45,200 –> 00:42:50,900
it’s brought up sometimes but
it’s quickly rushed away and
664
00:42:51,000 –> 00:42:54,800
it’s strange because there’s a
lot of evidence against, you
665
00:42:54,800 –> 00:42:58,100
know, what, what Hillary said,
Hillary white house key.
666
00:42:58,100 –> 00:43:02,100
And the guy who wrote the book,
The River is name’s Edward.
667
00:43:02,300 –> 00:43:05,100
Super.
He actually, at one point was
668
00:43:05,100 –> 00:43:10,500
brave enough to go in front of a
bunch of Television cameras, and
669
00:43:10,500 –> 00:43:13,700
the entire country of England
and debate.
670
00:43:13,700 –> 00:43:18,100
All of these scientists about
the origin of AIDS.
671
00:43:18,500 –> 00:43:23,000
And at this debate, they were
able to shut him down because
672
00:43:23,000 –> 00:43:26,900
they asserted that the vaccine
samples from the Congo.
673
00:43:27,000 –> 00:43:31,300
Had been dug up and tested in a
lab in London and there had been
674
00:43:31,300 –> 00:43:35,800
no traces.
Of hivs IV or chimp DNA and
675
00:43:35,800 –> 00:43:38,000
they’re putting their foot down,
right?
676
00:43:38,000 –> 00:43:41,100
And the World At Large,
especially the scientific
677
00:43:41,100 –> 00:43:43,900
Community.
They go into detail on this in
678
00:43:43,900 –> 00:43:46,700
the documentary.
Like, once you have a theory or
679
00:43:46,700 –> 00:43:51,400
hypothesis, if someone else in
science, effectively kills that
680
00:43:51,400 –> 00:43:54,600
hypothesis, they never talk
about it anymore.
681
00:43:54,700 –> 00:44:00,200
And this is what science used to
kill this hypothesis that maybe
682
00:44:00,200 –> 00:44:04,600
AIDS spread as a Out of the
polio vaccine their argument
683
00:44:04,600 –> 00:44:07,900
was, we dug up the samples of
the vaccine and none of them had
684
00:44:07,900 –> 00:44:11,200
any of that in it.
But the problem is someone they
685
00:44:11,200 –> 00:44:14,800
interview in this documentary,
also attest to this.
686
00:44:14,900 –> 00:44:18,700
All of the samples were used,
like, none of those samples from
687
00:44:18,700 –> 00:44:22,800
back then even exist.
So they not only didn’t dig them
688
00:44:22,800 –> 00:44:25,300
up.
There were none to dig up, they
689
00:44:25,300 –> 00:44:27,700
just lied in.
Everyone was like, oh well
690
00:44:27,700 –> 00:44:30,600
they’re scientists so yeah, they
must be telling the truth, they
691
00:44:30,600 –> 00:44:33,100
know what they’re talking about.
Yeah, they must.
692
00:44:33,100 –> 00:44:37,600
I mean it’s just like you know,
most people aren’t scientists so
693
00:44:37,600 –> 00:44:41,400
you know sort of defer your
science opinion to someone who
694
00:44:41,408 –> 00:44:43,900
knows what the fuck they’re
talking about or you’d assume
695
00:44:43,900 –> 00:44:45,200
they know what they’re talking
about.
696
00:44:45,200 –> 00:44:49,800
So there’s a lot of I think just
trust because it’s convenient.
697
00:44:50,100 –> 00:44:53,000
Yeah.
And the thing about trust
698
00:44:53,100 –> 00:44:56,100
whenever there’s a big
conspiracy theory like this
699
00:44:56,100 –> 00:45:01,500
that’s happening in Africa, all
of the people who are going to
700
00:45:01,700 –> 00:45:05,600
give Witness testimony about how
it’s real are going to be black
701
00:45:05,600 –> 00:45:10,200
people living in Africa.
And I think in cases like this
702
00:45:10,300 –> 00:45:13,600
the government or whoever is
behind, this is like, well, if
703
00:45:13,600 –> 00:45:16,500
they ask those people they’re
like no one’s going to believe
704
00:45:16,500 –> 00:45:18,800
them.
Anyway, like there was We did an
705
00:45:18,800 –> 00:45:21,500
episode about the death of dog
Hamish old.
706
00:45:21,500 –> 00:45:27,400
Who was a, he was the Secretary
General of the UN, who was very
707
00:45:27,500 –> 00:45:30,800
adamant that white countries
needed to stop?
708
00:45:30,800 –> 00:45:36,200
Exploiting Okafor financial gain
and mysteriously his plane
709
00:45:36,200 –> 00:45:41,100
crashed on a trip to Africa.
And there are all of these
710
00:45:41,100 –> 00:45:44,800
people who live in the country
where his plane crashed who were
711
00:45:44,800 –> 00:45:49,400
around the area at the time who
have given their testimony about
712
00:45:49,400 –> 00:45:51,300
how.
Yeah, it’s Blaine was like I
713
00:45:51,300 –> 00:45:55,000
heard people shooting that plane
down but they’re all black
714
00:45:55,000 –> 00:45:58,000
people living in Africa and when
you’re dealing with the US
715
00:45:58,000 –> 00:46:00,900
government, they’re not going to
take their statements into
716
00:46:00,900 –> 00:46:05,700
account especially If it’s them
versus someone relating to the
717
00:46:05,700 –> 00:46:10,400
US military or scientific
Community, like those voice,
718
00:46:10,400 –> 00:46:14,800
like your voices aren’t heard.
Those voices are heard in the
719
00:46:14,800 –> 00:46:18,300
we’re.
So, imagine how little Credence
720
00:46:18,300 –> 00:46:23,400
they’re given in a situation
like this, it has taken us like
721
00:46:23,400 –> 00:46:27,700
50 years for the country to
believe black people, when they
722
00:46:27,700 –> 00:46:31,000
say that police are just
indiscriminately killing black
723
00:46:31,000 –> 00:46:33,300
people.
So Imagine this.
724
00:46:33,300 –> 00:46:37,700
Is that kind of the KKK turned
into the police, right?
725
00:46:37,800 –> 00:46:43,100
Exactly KKK white nationalist.
They’re all police now the slave
726
00:46:43,100 –> 00:46:46,300
catchers, right?
And so imagine what kind of
727
00:46:46,300 –> 00:46:50,700
uphill battle you’re in, if
you’re just a journalist, which
728
00:46:50,700 –> 00:46:55,000
is what both of the like Edward
Hooper, and the guy who wrote
729
00:46:55,000 –> 00:46:57,900
the Rolling Stone article, I
don’t remember his name off the
730
00:46:57,900 –> 00:47:01,400
top of my head, but that comes
up in this documentary, a lot
731
00:47:01,400 –> 00:47:04,300
that they’re Journalists are
just journalists are not
732
00:47:04,300 –> 00:47:08,200
scientists, but their research
is comprehensive, it’s
733
00:47:08,200 –> 00:47:10,800
comprehensive.
And you don’t have to understand
734
00:47:10,800 –> 00:47:14,800
science to know that someone is
lying about being on a video
735
00:47:14,800 –> 00:47:16,700
with chips, you know.
Yeah.
736
00:47:17,000 –> 00:47:22,200
And their research, proved that
science was incorrect.
737
00:47:22,300 –> 00:47:25,500
What’s not said, science was
incorrect, the scientists, those
738
00:47:25,500 –> 00:47:29,500
scientists were lying, right?
So that’s not science.
739
00:47:29,500 –> 00:47:32,100
That they were because they
weren’t giving truce.
740
00:47:32,200 –> 00:47:35,800
Scientific results.
But the problem is and I think
741
00:47:35,800 –> 00:47:41,200
it’s still kind of a parallel to
police like what happened after
742
00:47:41,200 –> 00:47:43,700
this is?
Instead of the majority of
743
00:47:43,700 –> 00:47:46,100
scientists going.
Oh yeah, you’re right.
744
00:47:46,100 –> 00:47:48,800
That that was some bullshit
science that they did.
745
00:47:48,800 –> 00:47:53,300
All of these other scientists
had based a lot of their work on
746
00:47:53,300 –> 00:47:57,100
what this guy did and instead of
risking their work they just
747
00:47:57,107 –> 00:47:59,900
doubled down on Kapowski being
right?
748
00:47:59,900 –> 00:48:04,500
Which is what you see with cops.
A see like when like with the
749
00:48:04,500 –> 00:48:09,600
fucking team and buffalo that
pushed that 75 year old antifa
750
00:48:09,600 –> 00:48:14,300
super soldier over like after
those two got fired or suspended
751
00:48:14,300 –> 00:48:19,500
everyone else was like now we
resign in solidarity with with
752
00:48:19,500 –> 00:48:24,500
these Stormtroopers right and
this is a case of science
753
00:48:24,500 –> 00:48:28,900
rallying around someone because
they didn’t want to be wrong
754
00:48:28,900 –> 00:48:32,900
about having rallied around him
for all of these he’s years.
755
00:48:32,900 –> 00:48:36,300
Yeah, it’s disruptive to their
status quo, right?
756
00:48:36,600 –> 00:48:44,300
The big argument again is still
did Kapowski make these vaccines
757
00:48:44,400 –> 00:48:49,800
from the kidneys of chimpanzees,
because that is what would be
758
00:48:49,800 –> 00:48:54,700
the definitive link to him.
Having been instrumental in
759
00:48:54,700 –> 00:48:59,800
spreading AIDS, and they
actually interview someone in
760
00:48:59,800 –> 00:49:05,400
Gaston and on who spent six
Months in Belgium working with
761
00:49:05,400 –> 00:49:09,400
this same scientist.
And this is a quote, the virus
762
00:49:09,400 –> 00:49:14,600
was cultivated, on kidney cells,
on chimpanzee kidney cells.
763
00:49:14,600 –> 00:49:18,300
We would use a flask like this
and this was at the beginning
764
00:49:18,300 –> 00:49:22,200
because the chimp kidney cell
multiplies easily, and it was a
765
00:49:22,200 –> 00:49:25,000
good substitute for the polio
virus.
766
00:49:25,100 –> 00:49:27,700
So there are, he’s not the only
one.
767
00:49:27,700 –> 00:49:32,100
They interview a lot of doctors
and scientists.
768
00:49:32,200 –> 00:49:36,600
In lab workers, who all just
also happen to be relatively.
769
00:49:36,600 –> 00:49:42,200
Poor people living in the Congo.
And I know if you’re a racist,
770
00:49:42,200 –> 00:49:46,800
American, it’s easy to hear that
testimony and write it off
771
00:49:46,800 –> 00:49:48,900
because they’re not real
scientists.
772
00:49:48,900 –> 00:49:51,300
But these are the people that
worked with this guy.
773
00:49:51,400 –> 00:49:53,600
What motivation do?
They have to lie?
774
00:49:53,600 –> 00:49:56,500
They’re not being paid like this
is a documentary that came out
775
00:49:56,500 –> 00:49:59,300
in 2004.
Nobody got rich from it.
776
00:49:59,400 –> 00:50:03,000
Yeah and also a lot of these
scientists, you know, Especially
777
00:50:03,000 –> 00:50:07,700
the local ones, they are very
old, there’s really nothing to
778
00:50:07,700 –> 00:50:10,100
lose.
They’re not rich, you know,
779
00:50:10,100 –> 00:50:14,400
they’re probably towards the end
of their lives because it’s 2004
780
00:50:14,400 –> 00:50:17,700
and they were working in these
labs and what the 50s wait.
781
00:50:17,800 –> 00:50:20,600
And there’s no, like, there’s
not a single person.
782
00:50:20,600 –> 00:50:25,100
They interview who comes off as
if he’s making up a Fantastical
783
00:50:25,100 –> 00:50:29,300
story about what happened
because it’s really not this
784
00:50:29,300 –> 00:50:35,100
isn’t a Fantastical story The
The only issue here is did this
785
00:50:35,100 –> 00:50:38,000
vaccine come from chimpanzees or
monkeys?
786
00:50:38,000 –> 00:50:41,300
That’s it.
Like, we know a vaccine for
787
00:50:41,300 –> 00:50:46,200
polio was developed in the Congo
using primates of some sort.
788
00:50:46,300 –> 00:50:51,600
And we also know that aids cases
started very shortly thereafter.
789
00:50:52,000 –> 00:50:57,200
So the only real question is,
how much do you trust this
790
00:50:57,200 –> 00:51:00,200
scientist?
To tell you the truth about
791
00:51:00,200 –> 00:51:04,400
whether he used chimpanzees?
Because if he used chimpanzees,
792
00:51:04,400 –> 00:51:08,700
this motherfucker started the
AIDS crisis in Africa.
793
00:51:08,700 –> 00:51:13,100
It’s as simple as that.
And there is video evidence of
794
00:51:13,100 –> 00:51:16,500
him conducting his work on
chimpanzees.
795
00:51:16,600 –> 00:51:20,000
So sorry if he’s a scientist,
but this motherfuckers lying.
796
00:51:20,000 –> 00:51:23,100
And why wouldn’t you like why?
Like no one’s going to be like,
797
00:51:23,100 –> 00:51:26,500
yep, started AIDS got a patch on
my jacket for it.
798
00:51:26,500 –> 00:51:30,300
Yeah, it’s not something that.
Most people could just fess up
799
00:51:30,300 –> 00:51:32,000
to, you know.
But hey.
800
00:51:32,200 –> 00:51:35,400
Yeah.
I mean it’s just the effect of
801
00:51:35,400 –> 00:51:37,500
it.
How many vaccines were given
802
00:51:37,500 –> 00:51:38,100
out?
A think?
803
00:51:38,100 –> 00:51:41,800
Someone, I think over a million.
Yeah, there’s someone claims
804
00:51:41,800 –> 00:51:43,600
over a million were given in the
Congo.
805
00:51:43,600 –> 00:51:46,500
Without what’s the name?
Hillary Kapowski, dude.
806
00:51:46,500 –> 00:51:49,300
He’s dizzy.
Claimed his vaccines were made
807
00:51:49,300 –> 00:51:52,700
locally or not locally the, he
claims that they were not made
808
00:51:52,700 –> 00:51:57,300
locally that there weren’t any
vaccine testing or making in his
809
00:51:57,300 –> 00:51:59,100
facilities.
Right.
810
00:51:59,100 –> 00:52:02,000
But then what was he doing?
Just other testing like nah.
811
00:52:02,200 –> 00:52:05,200
Vaccine-related testing.
They interview people in the
812
00:52:05,200 –> 00:52:10,100
documentary who were who pretty
much confirmed that vaccines
813
00:52:10,100 –> 00:52:11,600
were being made there.
Yeah.
814
00:52:11,600 –> 00:52:14,600
Very specifically.
And that they were taking the
815
00:52:14,600 –> 00:52:17,900
kidneys from chimps, right?
Sometimes while The Chimps are
816
00:52:17,900 –> 00:52:21,600
still alive.
Yeah, if we believe the claims
817
00:52:21,600 –> 00:52:26,400
made in this documentary, 1
million vaccines were given in
818
00:52:26,400 –> 00:52:30,600
the Congo without a single one
of them being made locally,
819
00:52:30,600 –> 00:52:33,700
which where were they coming?
What where were they being made?
820
00:52:33,700 –> 00:52:36,900
Then that’s a lot of vaccines.
It’s a lot of vaccines.
821
00:52:36,900 –> 00:52:40,500
And the people who are most
instrumental in developing,
822
00:52:40,500 –> 00:52:43,700
those vaccines were all in the
Congo at the time.
823
00:52:43,700 –> 00:52:49,500
So we’re like, why would you
Outsource that to another lab if
824
00:52:49,600 –> 00:52:53,700
you’re on the ground in the area
where the vaccines are needed
825
00:52:53,700 –> 00:52:55,600
and you’re doing all the
research?
826
00:52:55,700 –> 00:52:58,600
But then at the last second, all
the vaccines come in from
827
00:52:58,600 –> 00:53:02,000
somewhere else, that is
completely unreasonable.
828
00:53:02,200 –> 00:53:04,500
Like that is unreasonable to
believe.
829
00:53:04,500 –> 00:53:07,500
There’s no way anyone could
actually believe that.
830
00:53:07,700 –> 00:53:11,000
Well it’s you know, who has the
power of writing the history
831
00:53:11,000 –> 00:53:12,700
books.
Yeah, the science.
832
00:53:12,700 –> 00:53:16,300
That looks to who decides that
this is, this is what, where,
833
00:53:16,400 –> 00:53:19,300
you know, going with probably a
white guy probably.
834
00:53:19,300 –> 00:53:21,800
Yeah.
Like the, the same white guys
835
00:53:21,800 –> 00:53:26,500
who colonized Africa, for a
whole bunch of, I mean, still to
836
00:53:26,500 –> 00:53:30,600
this day to some degrees, but
like, that’s the thing, there’s
837
00:53:30,600 –> 00:53:36,800
no reason to Trust this guy just
because he’s a scientist like he
838
00:53:36,800 –> 00:53:40,600
clearly fucked up.
I think he clearly decided to
839
00:53:40,600 –> 00:53:43,900
cut corners and test this shit
on chimpanzees.
840
00:53:44,200 –> 00:53:48,500
And like we didn’t know what HIV
was at the time.
841
00:53:48,500 –> 00:53:53,600
So how could he really know that
HIV doesn’t impact chimpanzees
842
00:53:53,600 –> 00:53:56,800
the same way?
And that’s not me making an
843
00:53:56,800 –> 00:54:00,400
excuse because he’s had decades
and decades and decades to be
844
00:54:00,400 –> 00:54:02,000
like, yep.
I fucked up.
845
00:54:02,300 –> 00:54:05,500
And what were we going to do?
Like no one like we weren’t
846
00:54:05,500 –> 00:54:07,800
going to fucking try him at the
Hague.
847
00:54:07,800 –> 00:54:11,400
You don’t over it that he might
be prosecuted.
848
00:54:11,500 –> 00:54:15,100
Yeah like it would have just
maybe prevented more deaths in
849
00:54:15,100 –> 00:54:19,100
the future so we should maybe
try him at the Hague now but had
850
00:54:19,100 –> 00:54:22,400
he just come out and been honest
about it from the beginning.
851
00:54:22,400 –> 00:54:26,000
Maybe not just yeah, we didn’t
know that these were infected
852
00:54:26,000 –> 00:54:28,700
but I mean if he’s not being
honest, that means he’s trying
853
00:54:28,700 –> 00:54:32,000
to hide something for a reason
and that’s because you know, he
854
00:54:32,100 –> 00:54:35,900
He wasn’t supposed to work on
chimpanzees for vaccines.
855
00:54:35,900 –> 00:54:37,400
Yeah.
Why did he do that?
856
00:54:37,400 –> 00:54:40,600
What was why, how was that
cutting Corners?
857
00:54:40,600 –> 00:54:45,300
What was the benefit of using of
testing on chimps versus
858
00:54:45,400 –> 00:54:48,000
monkeys?
Yeah, I don’t know, I don’t know
859
00:54:48,000 –> 00:54:51,400
if chimps were easier to find
maybe.
860
00:54:51,500 –> 00:54:54,700
Yeah, I wonder if like I know
chimps are closer to humans.
861
00:54:55,100 –> 00:54:59,600
So I don’t know if that was a
factor but also I think there
862
00:54:59,600 –> 00:55:05,300
was some I read somewhere that
It was better to cultivate
863
00:55:05,300 –> 00:55:09,200
vaccines from from monkeys and
chimps for whatever reason even
864
00:55:09,200 –> 00:55:13,000
though they are closer in
relationship to humans.
865
00:55:13,400 –> 00:55:17,800
Yeah, I don’t I don’t know why,
I don’t remember them bringing
866
00:55:17,800 –> 00:55:22,500
it up in the documentary.
Why he would have used chimps
867
00:55:22,600 –> 00:55:26,100
over monkeys.
Yeah, I mean, it’s tough to know
868
00:55:26,100 –> 00:55:28,200
because it’s not like we can ask
him.
869
00:55:28,500 –> 00:55:31,300
Yeah, he’s dead now.
Well, even when he was alive.
870
00:55:31,400 –> 00:55:33,900
Yeah.
He was denying it, right?
871
00:55:33,900 –> 00:55:36,200
So, it’s like, why did you use
chips the answers?
872
00:55:36,200 –> 00:55:39,500
I did not.
But yeah, and the one journalist
873
00:55:39,500 –> 00:55:44,100
who tried to go to the Congo to
investigate it?
874
00:55:44,500 –> 00:55:48,100
It was guy named Bill Hamilton,
he went in 2000 and immediately
875
00:55:48,100 –> 00:55:50,900
died of malaria like the second
he got there.
876
00:55:50,900 –> 00:55:56,400
Well, so yeah, this is like this
documentary came out in 2004,
877
00:55:56,500 –> 00:56:02,400
which is 16 years ago and it was
kind of a big story in Rolling
878
00:56:02,400 –> 00:56:08,600
Stone in 1992 but science has
mostly shut this notion down.
879
00:56:08,600 –> 00:56:11,900
The idea that aids might have
started with a vac.
880
00:56:11,900 –> 00:56:17,300
See a polio vaccine in the 1940s
or 50s and I don’t know if it’s
881
00:56:17,300 –> 00:56:21,400
ever going to come back up and
it’s unfortunate because I know
882
00:56:21,400 –> 00:56:23,800
like, as a white dude, I grew
up.
883
00:56:23,800 –> 00:56:27,800
Hearing people say, you know how
AIDS happened of someone fucked
884
00:56:27,800 –> 00:56:29,900
a monkey.
And it’s like, that’s one thing
885
00:56:29,900 –> 00:56:31,900
that never comes up in this
documentary.
886
00:56:32,100 –> 00:56:33,000
Yeah.
Yeah never.
887
00:56:33,000 –> 00:56:37,500
Is it suggested that anyone had
sex with a monkey to start AIDS
888
00:56:37,700 –> 00:56:42,600
but like it would be beneficial
just for World relations in
889
00:56:42,600 –> 00:56:45,700
general?
If this story could be clarified
890
00:56:46,000 –> 00:56:48,200
and people could just come out
and be like, here’s what
891
00:56:48,200 –> 00:56:51,400
happened.
We started a fucking vaccine and
892
00:56:51,400 –> 00:56:53,500
it was tainted and we gave
people AIDS.
893
00:56:53,500 –> 00:56:58,900
Sorry it’s it’s another case of
white people fucking over black
894
00:56:58,900 –> 00:57:01,900
people.
So that’s also not something.
895
00:57:02,300 –> 00:57:07,900
I could see the monster hands up
with sometimes sometimes, yeah.
896
00:57:07,900 –> 00:57:11,500
Meaning like, like a lot all the
time.
897
00:57:11,600 –> 00:57:13,500
Constantly.
Yeah, that’s the thing.
898
00:57:13,500 –> 00:57:16,600
People just in general.
Don’t like to be wrong.
899
00:57:16,700 –> 00:57:19,300
Yeah.
Like, you see it with cases,
900
00:57:19,300 –> 00:57:22,400
where someone’s in prison for
something, they clearly didn’t
901
00:57:22,400 –> 00:57:25,800
do and there will be these
prosecutors, who are just like
902
00:57:25,800 –> 00:57:28,500
know, we’ll try them again, they
get out.
903
00:57:28,500 –> 00:57:31,900
And it’s, like, do you watch TV
like the person you’re trying?
904
00:57:32,000 –> 00:57:36,100
Is clearly innocent and you are
just an arrogant fuck stick but
905
00:57:36,100 –> 00:57:38,900
needs to lose their job.
And I think that’s kind of
906
00:57:38,900 –> 00:57:42,900
what’s Happening Here is clearly
a bunch of scientists made a
907
00:57:42,900 –> 00:57:46,700
mistake and a lot of other
scientists rallied around them
908
00:57:46,700 –> 00:57:48,900
in.
Like what does it change now?
909
00:57:48,900 –> 00:57:52,100
Like just come out and say it
just come out and say yeah this
910
00:57:52,100 –> 00:57:55,200
is where AIDS started.
It started with fucking polio
911
00:57:55,200 –> 00:57:57,900
vaccine.
We’re sorry but maybe this will
912
00:57:57,900 –> 00:58:00,200
help you research it better
going forward.
913
00:58:00,300 –> 00:58:02,300
Yeah.
But instead people just I can
914
00:58:02,300 –> 00:58:05,800
lie and cover it up because
they’re too proud to be wrong.
915
00:58:06,000 –> 00:58:09,400
Ego coconuts?
Yeah, the bigger your ego, the
916
00:58:09,400 –> 00:58:12,700
more fragile, you are, you know,
can’t handle the truth.
917
00:58:13,100 –> 00:58:18,300
Oh, it’s fucking disappointing.
But yeah, I mean every yeah, I
918
00:58:18,300 –> 00:58:22,600
think almost everything.
I watched went with the story
919
00:58:22,600 –> 00:58:26,700
that it came from Monkey meat
and hunting monkey’s butt, and
920
00:58:26,700 –> 00:58:29,700
the ones that did bring this up,
you know, brought it up, and
921
00:58:29,700 –> 00:58:33,200
then said, but no, that was, you
know, No that was never proven
922
00:58:33,200 –> 00:58:36,200
so it’s the monkey meat real
with the monkey meat story.
923
00:58:36,300 –> 00:58:37,600
Yeah.
Meanwhile ever I don’t think
924
00:58:37,600 –> 00:58:40,900
I’ve ever even seen a picture
like video of someone eating a
925
00:58:40,900 –> 00:58:42,600
monkey monkeys.
Are cool.
926
00:58:42,700 –> 00:58:46,100
Was eating monkeys.
Let’s just like, would you eat
927
00:58:46,100 –> 00:58:49,500
something that you can relate to
and hang out with and cuddle
928
00:58:49,500 –> 00:58:52,900
with, like, I don’t.
Yeah, that’s not really for me.
929
00:58:53,000 –> 00:58:56,600
Yeah, it’s not like monkeys
aren’t the only game in town
930
00:58:56,700 –> 00:58:58,900
like kill all sorts of animals
and eat them.
931
00:58:59,000 –> 00:59:03,200
Who knows what I do know is that
aids started Polio vaccine in
932
00:59:03,200 –> 00:59:07,800
the Congo so you’re certain.
I’ve like I like to end every
933
00:59:07,800 –> 00:59:11,900
one of these podcasts by saying
whether I do or don’t agree with
934
00:59:11,900 –> 00:59:17,500
this Theory.
I 100% believe this is how AIDS
935
00:59:17,500 –> 00:59:22,100
started and we still have to get
into the whole other thing about
936
00:59:22,100 –> 00:59:26,800
was AIDS, spread intentionally.
Oh yeah, various governments.
937
00:59:26,900 –> 00:59:32,500
Well, according to, I guess
mainstream science this Spread
938
00:59:32,500 –> 00:59:36,800
to the spread outside of the
Congo area happened because the
939
00:59:36,800 –> 00:59:39,100
area.
Okay, so all the Belgium’s left
940
00:59:39,100 –> 00:59:43,000
because of political unrest.
So to replace this one, someone
941
00:59:43,000 –> 00:59:47,400
fucks a monkey.
Yeah, I mean just imagine that
942
00:59:47,400 –> 00:59:50,400
after every action they fucking
monkey, there was a mass of them
943
00:59:50,400 –> 00:59:53,300
so it was all dudes that came to
fill in those positions.
944
00:59:53,600 –> 00:59:58,600
They got a lot of workers from
Haiti and there was a major sex
945
00:59:58,700 –> 01:00:02,400
trade because there are a lot of
guys who you know, Well, the
946
01:00:02,400 –> 01:00:08,000
Belgian Congo monkey fucking
Insurrection and he and and thus
947
01:00:08,000 –> 01:00:14,900
the monkey fucking right.
But I guess since HIV is spread
948
01:00:14,900 –> 01:00:18,200
easily through sex.
They’re saying it’s spread out
949
01:00:18,207 –> 01:00:20,900
that way.
And then maybe one of the
950
01:00:20,900 –> 01:00:25,700
Haitian migrants went back,
obviously not knowing that he
951
01:00:25,700 –> 01:00:28,800
was infected.
And no way of really knowing
952
01:00:28,800 –> 01:00:31,300
because you wouldn’t even have
symptoms for 10 years.
953
01:00:31,300 –> 01:00:35,100
And in fact, The people in Haiti
and then it spread to the US and
954
01:00:35,100 –> 01:00:40,600
then it’s all over the world.
This is hiv-1 and hiv-2 is
955
01:00:40,800 –> 01:00:44,200
actually only accounts for I’ve
been I believe one percent of
956
01:00:44,200 –> 01:00:48,300
the cases and is less contagious
but hiv-1 is the one that turns
957
01:00:48,300 –> 01:00:51,900
into AIDS but now you know now
that you know the government was
958
01:00:51,900 –> 01:00:56,500
starting to figure out what AIDS
is it’s like yeah where you know
959
01:00:57,300 –> 01:01:02,600
did they you know use this to
introduce a And into
960
01:01:02,600 –> 01:01:04,400
communities, a biological
weapon.
961
01:01:04,400 –> 01:01:08,100
Yeah, to dissing further
disenfranchised communities
962
01:01:08,100 –> 01:01:12,000
which are already marginalized.
Yeah, that was we haven’t
963
01:01:12,000 –> 01:01:15,900
explored whether or to what
degree that happened in the
964
01:01:15,900 –> 01:01:18,700
United States but we did an
episode.
965
01:01:19,000 –> 01:01:22,700
I mentioned it earlier about the
death of former un.
966
01:01:23,000 –> 01:01:27,000
Secretary General Dog, Hamish
old and there’s a really great
967
01:01:27,000 –> 01:01:30,800
documentary called Cold Case,
Hamish old which is worth
968
01:01:30,800 –> 01:01:34,500
watching because it’s it starts
out about his death, which is
969
01:01:34,500 –> 01:01:39,200
also a very compelling story,
but then it ends with a
970
01:01:39,200 –> 01:01:44,000
government related organization
and maybe American government
971
01:01:44,000 –> 01:01:48,400
related organization, very
intentionally spreading AIDS in
972
01:01:48,400 –> 01:01:52,700
South Africa, and doing it under
the guise of free health
973
01:01:52,700 –> 01:01:56,500
clinics, where people could come
get checked out for various
974
01:01:56,500 –> 01:02:01,300
diseases for free in low-income
neighborhoods in South Africa
975
01:02:01,600 –> 01:02:05,700
and That guy was actually doing
was literally injecting people
976
01:02:05,700 –> 01:02:08,100
with AIDS.
So disgusting.
977
01:02:08,200 –> 01:02:10,600
It is.
It’s disgusting.
978
01:02:10,600 –> 01:02:15,700
And it feels like a thing where
not only are we not being honest
979
01:02:15,700 –> 01:02:19,300
about how it started, but I
think we’re not being honest
980
01:02:19,300 –> 01:02:21,800
about, right?
Yeah, it was all monkey all
981
01:02:21,800 –> 01:02:25,500
fucking monkeys which is crazy
because I fucked so many
982
01:02:25,500 –> 01:02:26,600
monkeys.
Oh God.
983
01:02:26,600 –> 01:02:29,400
I’m getting horny.
And as far as I know, I don’t
984
01:02:29,400 –> 01:02:32,100
even have AIDS.
Yeah, but you know, I have Any
985
01:02:32,100 –> 01:02:35,000
signs?
I mean, you only started fucking
986
01:02:35,000 –> 01:02:37,100
monkeys a year ago.
You still got nine years to
987
01:02:37,100 –> 01:02:41,600
figure for the for the virus to
go.
988
01:02:41,600 –> 01:02:44,600
Whoa, I’m here.
I just do roll them dice for
989
01:02:44,600 –> 01:02:46,400
almost a decade.
Whoo.
990
01:02:47,900 –> 01:02:51,100
Yeah, this is like just seeing
the way they tortured those
991
01:02:51,100 –> 01:02:54,800
monkeys and the way, you know,
they were registering what was
992
01:02:54,800 –> 01:02:58,000
happening to them?
Like like anyone would if you
993
01:02:58,000 –> 01:03:01,100
were being tortured, it’s that
shit hurt.
994
01:03:01,400 –> 01:03:05,300
Yeah, this This is a hard
documentary to watch specially
995
01:03:05,300 –> 01:03:09,500
if you’re an animal person.
Yeah, yeah, but I mean it’s,
996
01:03:09,500 –> 01:03:11,700
it’s important to know.
Yeah.
997
01:03:11,700 –> 01:03:15,300
And I don’t know, I hope this
comes back up in some official
998
01:03:15,300 –> 01:03:19,300
way at some point, because it
feels like a very Dead Issue
999
01:03:19,400 –> 01:03:23,300
right now.
But the idea that just white
1000
01:03:23,300 –> 01:03:27,200
governments in general, we’re
just really spreading AIDS in
1001
01:03:27,200 –> 01:03:30,600
Africa, you know?
It’s the lack of accountability.
1002
01:03:30,900 –> 01:03:33,000
Yeah.
And that is That is something
1003
01:03:33,000 –> 01:03:36,900
that we see throughout white
history when it comes to, you
1004
01:03:36,900 –> 01:03:40,400
know, just pillaging people.
Yeah.
1005
01:03:40,400 –> 01:03:45,100
It’s it’s the like it’s kind of
the same thing as reparations
1006
01:03:45,100 –> 01:03:49,000
where you’ll hear a lot of white
people be like, ooh, I didn’t do
1007
01:03:49,000 –> 01:03:50,500
it.
Like what do you want me to do
1008
01:03:50,500 –> 01:03:52,400
now?
And it’s like a lot of these
1009
01:03:52,400 –> 01:03:57,200
fucking corporations that are
thriving in this country right
1010
01:03:57,200 –> 01:04:00,100
now.
We’re built on slave labor.
1011
01:04:00,200 –> 01:04:03,700
Yeah, those motherfuckers.
Paying reparations.
1012
01:04:03,800 –> 01:04:07,000
Well, did you know her neck down
Weston about it or they can burn
1013
01:04:07,000 –> 01:04:11,300
it down in tears?
Yeah, yeah, you know, one, but I
1014
01:04:11,300 –> 01:04:13,200
saw me it’s the fucking happen
to me.
1015
01:04:13,200 –> 01:04:16,000
I’d say just just give them the
reparations, you didn’t give
1016
01:04:16,000 –> 01:04:19,900
them what you promised and, you
know, account for inflation
1017
01:04:19,900 –> 01:04:22,300
reparations.
You know, don’t actually give
1018
01:04:22,300 –> 01:04:23,800
someone a fucking mule right
now.
1019
01:04:23,800 –> 01:04:25,700
Like, that would just be an
insult.
1020
01:04:27,300 –> 01:04:31,400
I mean, who knows what a nice,
you know, they’re, you know,
1021
01:04:31,400 –> 01:04:34,300
someone, Ones like, you know,
maybe the government’s like Yap.
1022
01:04:34,300 –> 01:04:36,800
Trump maybe we shouldn’t give
them a mule and he’s just like,
1023
01:04:37,000 –> 01:04:40,200
no, wait.
So we shouldn’t give him a prey
1024
01:04:40,200 –> 01:04:41,800
shins or should we not give a
meal?
1025
01:04:42,000 –> 01:04:49,200
No, that’s just how I am.
She’s fucking fix it.
1026
01:04:49,200 –> 01:04:51,900
Why is it?
Why is it that the money to fix
1027
01:04:51,900 –> 01:04:53,500
it?
Fucking fix it.
1028
01:04:53,700 –> 01:04:57,700
And if you built your shit on
slavery, fucking atone for it.
1029
01:04:57,700 –> 01:05:01,100
Yeah, and if you inherited a
privilege and imagine the
1030
01:05:01,100 –> 01:05:05,500
fucking Dark red, you get for
being like, hey we were so
1031
01:05:05,500 –> 01:05:10,300
shitty to black people, here’s
45 million dollars, spread it
1032
01:05:10,300 –> 01:05:13,500
amongst yourselves.
And if every fucking company
1033
01:05:13,500 –> 01:05:17,500
that built itself on slavery,
followed in suit, my fucking get
1034
01:05:17,500 –> 01:05:19,100
somewhere.
I mean, they’ve spent more
1035
01:05:19,100 –> 01:05:22,600
unless they’ve probably spent
more defending themselves
1036
01:05:22,600 –> 01:05:25,400
against accusations of
supporting slavery.
1037
01:05:26,500 –> 01:05:29,200
That’s so real.
Just spend it on making things,
1038
01:05:29,200 –> 01:05:32,400
right?
You selfish fucks you and Melt a
1039
01:05:32,400 –> 01:05:36,000
spread AIDS in the goddamn Congo
in the 1950s.
1040
01:05:36,000 –> 01:05:39,800
We all know.
We know we know you spread AIDS.
1041
01:05:39,800 –> 01:05:43,700
We know the CIA started the
crack epidemic in this country.
1042
01:05:43,700 –> 01:05:46,300
We fucking know just make it
right.
1043
01:05:46,300 –> 01:05:48,900
We gotta get into those.
I’m really interested to sort of
1044
01:05:49,200 –> 01:05:53,700
dive into America.
We will especially, yes, but
1045
01:05:53,700 –> 01:05:58,100
this, cuz, yeah, it’s just
interesting how it was common
1046
01:05:58,500 –> 01:06:02,400
amongst one demographic and then
it suddenly jumped to Another
1047
01:06:02,400 –> 01:06:07,100
and just completely was a plague
in a specific Community.
1048
01:06:07,100 –> 01:06:10,500
It’s there’s a, I have a lot of
questions.
1049
01:06:10,800 –> 01:06:12,300
Yeah.
Went from one.
1050
01:06:12,300 –> 01:06:16,400
Vulnerable Community to another
vulnerable Community, how
1051
01:06:16,400 –> 01:06:20,700
convenient for white people?
That’s why I hadn’t AIDS t-shirt
1052
01:06:20,700 –> 01:06:23,100
in the, in the 80s?
I was very racist.
1053
01:06:23,100 –> 01:06:25,000
I’ve changed since then.
Yeah.
1054
01:06:25,000 –> 01:06:26,300
Where’d you grow up?
That’s not true.
1055
01:06:26,300 –> 01:06:28,900
I was very young in the very
young in the.
1056
01:06:28,900 –> 01:06:31,600
I grew up in actually.
I grew up in Peoria, Illinois.
1057
01:06:31,600 –> 01:06:34,100
Which Which was very fucking
diverse.
1058
01:06:34,100 –> 01:06:35,800
Yeah.
Like if I could make any
1059
01:06:35,800 –> 01:06:39,500
recommendation for white people,
it’s go back in time and grow up
1060
01:06:39,500 –> 01:06:43,000
around black people.
Yeah, we fucking better off for
1061
01:06:43,000 –> 01:06:44,700
it.
Like I grew up in a really
1062
01:06:44,700 –> 01:06:48,500
diverse area and that’s that’s
so very thankful for that.
1063
01:06:48,500 –> 01:06:51,800
Yeah.
Diversity is in such a fucking
1064
01:06:51,800 –> 01:06:54,600
blessing.
Like I remember I remember I was
1065
01:06:54,600 –> 01:06:56,400
interviewing like back in
college, someone for a
1066
01:06:56,408 –> 01:07:00,800
scholarship, a young white girl
and she was asking what I liked
1067
01:07:00,800 –> 01:07:04,600
about the school and that You
know what really struck me was
1068
01:07:04,700 –> 01:07:07,200
the diversity there and she’s
like oh no I’m not really
1069
01:07:07,200 –> 01:07:09,900
interested in that.
I’m more interested in the
1070
01:07:09,900 –> 01:07:18,700
sorority life Kappa Kappa Kappa.
Hey KK and I’m just kidding but
1071
01:07:18,700 –> 01:07:22,700
yeah I didn’t recommend her.
Yeah, I think most Catholic
1072
01:07:22,700 –> 01:07:27,200
schools exist to keep white
people from having to send their
1073
01:07:27,200 –> 01:07:29,700
kids to schools with people of
color.
1074
01:07:29,700 –> 01:07:33,200
Like, all of the kids I grew up
with who Went to Catholic School
1075
01:07:33,200 –> 01:07:37,000
like they just have no concept
of black people at all.
1076
01:07:37,000 –> 01:07:41,000
And it’s like, we all grew up in
the same town and it was very,
1077
01:07:41,000 –> 01:07:44,700
very diverse like you shouldn’t
be this way and it’s like, oh
1078
01:07:44,700 –> 01:07:47,100
yeah, your parents paid for you
to be this way.
1079
01:07:47,200 –> 01:07:50,900
Nice.
It’s just, yeah, you’re a
1080
01:07:51,700 –> 01:07:55,200
sociopath that’s creating
sociopaths what a fucking world.
1081
01:07:55,200 –> 01:07:56,500
We live in.
What a world.
1082
01:07:56,600 –> 01:07:58,300
Indeed.
But yeah.
1083
01:07:58,300 –> 01:08:03,300
So black lives matter.
The government spread AIDS And I
1084
01:08:03,300 –> 01:08:06,800
think that’s our fucking gist
for this week works for me.
1085
01:08:07,100 –> 01:08:10,400
Yeah, those are the klenda,
yeah, we’ll definitely do an
1086
01:08:10,400 –> 01:08:14,200
episode at some point in the
future about this same idea, but
1087
01:08:14,200 –> 01:08:18,300
in the United States because
it’s, it’s also a thing people
1088
01:08:18,300 –> 01:08:21,000
have argued here.
Yeah, that aids.
1089
01:08:21,200 –> 01:08:25,200
And here’s the thing, even if it
wasn’t spread intentionally
1090
01:08:25,200 –> 01:08:28,500
here, it was ignored
intentionally.
1091
01:08:28,500 –> 01:08:31,000
Yeah, so the marginalized
communities are being affected
1092
01:08:31,000 –> 01:08:33,500
at Unit numbers.
Yeah.
1093
01:08:33,500 –> 01:08:37,300
Ronald Reagan.
That Administration literally
1094
01:08:37,300 –> 01:08:43,500
did not say the word AIDS until
1987 and by that point, I think
1095
01:08:43,500 –> 01:08:47,200
6800 people had died in this
country either way.
1096
01:08:47,200 –> 01:08:50,399
They were referring to it as
something like the gay disease.
1097
01:08:50,500 –> 01:08:51,899
Yep.
And they didn’t even know how it
1098
01:08:51,899 –> 01:08:54,000
was being transferred, they had
no idea.
1099
01:08:54,100 –> 01:08:57,100
They’re just like somehow it
just goes from gay to get a.
1100
01:08:57,100 –> 01:08:58,500
Yeah.
And because it was killing gay
1101
01:08:58,500 –> 01:09:00,700
people.
It was a joke you know, one that
1102
01:09:00,700 –> 01:09:03,600
that is the history of this.
Country like this.
1103
01:09:03,600 –> 01:09:08,399
I say it all the time.
America is a story of the most
1104
01:09:08,399 –> 01:09:11,899
successful oppressor in the
history of the world.
1105
01:09:12,000 –> 01:09:14,200
Like that is what we are built
on.
1106
01:09:14,200 –> 01:09:17,800
We are great at oppressing,
people for our own fucking game.
1107
01:09:17,800 –> 01:09:20,200
You know what’s so interesting
is in history books.
1108
01:09:20,600 –> 01:09:25,700
For me it was in the 90s we were
taught of the first Americans as
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01:09:25,700 –> 01:09:29,700
the oppressed so that wow right
wing religious oppression.
1110
01:09:29,700 –> 01:09:32,000
Oh yeah we were fleeing
religious oppression.
1111
01:09:32,100 –> 01:09:34,800
It was so horrible blah, blah,
blah.
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01:09:34,800 –> 01:09:38,200
And then we came here and we
thrived and then we have slavery
1113
01:09:38,200 –> 01:09:41,399
and then we had thry just skip
over that little part.
1114
01:09:41,500 –> 01:09:45,800
Now, like history books, I have
heard all over the country are
1115
01:09:46,500 –> 01:09:50,700
referring to slavery as
indentured servitude which is
1116
01:09:50,700 –> 01:09:54,300
like black Erasure, you know
just rewriting history to make
1117
01:09:54,300 –> 01:09:57,600
yourself look better, the person
who’s writing history, those are
1118
01:09:57,600 –> 01:10:01,100
two completely different things.
Indentured servants were at
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01:10:01,100 –> 01:10:03,800
least promise.
Something slaves were just
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01:10:03,800 –> 01:10:07,600
kidnapped and forced into
slavery and being property.
1121
01:10:07,800 –> 01:10:10,700
Yeah, it’s America.
Why do we still live here
1122
01:10:11,000 –> 01:10:13,000
somewhere else?
Because I’m just started found
1123
01:10:13,000 –> 01:10:17,300
truth and American, you know,
we’re all in debt.
1124
01:10:17,300 –> 01:10:19,100
Yeah.
So cheap here in l.a. that’s
1125
01:10:19,100 –> 01:10:21,600
what keeps me.
Yeah, I know, I can’t really
1126
01:10:21,600 –> 01:10:23,600
afford to live anywhere else.
You know?
1127
01:10:23,700 –> 01:10:27,500
I came from Florida and whoo.
Let me tell you the ransom
1128
01:10:27,500 –> 01:10:29,400
Florida.
I just was like, you know what?
1129
01:10:29,400 –> 01:10:33,700
I need to pay state tax.
Yeah, Ty Tired of paying $800 a
1130
01:10:33,700 –> 01:10:38,400
month for this three-bedroom.
Townhouse 3 bed, 2 800 800 a
1131
01:10:38,407 –> 01:10:45,700
month and mortgage exactly.
This 3 bedroom mansion 18
1132
01:10:45,700 –> 01:10:47,900
bathrooms.
What are we doing?
1133
01:10:47,900 –> 01:10:51,500
So I think that’s our episode.
Yeah this is really good.
1134
01:10:51,500 –> 01:10:53,600
We will.
Yeah we’ll do another one of
1135
01:10:53,600 –> 01:10:57,100
these about the spread of AIDS
in the United States because
1136
01:10:57,100 –> 01:10:59,600
it’s also a really interesting
story.
1137
01:11:00,600 –> 01:11:03,000
Do we have anything to plug?
We get out of here.
1138
01:11:03,100 –> 01:11:06,700
Oh, my think support, black
lives matters, black lives
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01:11:06,700 –> 01:11:10,300
matter.
You you know, not everyone has
1140
01:11:10,300 –> 01:11:12,700
to go to the protest, you know,
there’s different ways to
1141
01:11:12,700 –> 01:11:17,700
protest and and, you know,
affect change.
1142
01:11:17,800 –> 01:11:23,200
So I just say educate yourself,
especially if you’re not a
1143
01:11:23,200 –> 01:11:28,200
person of color and I have some
information on my page as well
1144
01:11:28,500 –> 01:11:31,600
on Instagram, it’s just my name
at fizzy Dasani and then I can
1145
01:11:31,600 –> 01:11:34,600
be and on the internet at visit
us on E and all the platforms
1146
01:11:34,600 –> 01:11:39,000
visit us on e.com and I have a
weekly podcast as well, facial
1147
01:11:39,000 –> 01:11:43,500
recognition comedy and we are
going to try to amplify black
1148
01:11:43,500 –> 01:11:45,900
voices as much as we can
Brianna.
1149
01:11:45,900 –> 01:11:49,500
Taylor’s Brianna Taylor’s
killers are, have not been
1150
01:11:49,500 –> 01:11:52,300
charged yet.
Yeah, and that’s fucked up.
1151
01:11:52,400 –> 01:11:54,300
She was killed in her sleep in
our own house.
1152
01:11:54,600 –> 01:11:59,600
We are we’re going to be doing a
thing on on pops where we were
1153
01:11:59,600 –> 01:12:02,000
going to be giving up a bunch of
our ad slot.
1154
01:12:02,200 –> 01:12:05,900
That’s that would normally be
used to strike it, rich in the
1155
01:12:05,900 –> 01:12:10,300
hellofresh promotion market, and
we’re going to be using those to
1156
01:12:10,300 –> 01:12:14,800
promote various organizations
and causes that are fighting
1157
01:12:14,800 –> 01:12:19,500
against police terrorism and
racial inequality and things of
1158
01:12:19,500 –> 01:12:22,300
the like.
So if you are part of one of
1159
01:12:22,308 –> 01:12:25,800
those organizations and want us
to feature you in one of those
1160
01:12:25,800 –> 01:12:31,900
spots, tweet at us, or email me
at Adam Todd Brown a ton Papa
1161
01:12:32,100 –> 01:12:36,000
Ops.com and we will get you
worked into that.
1162
01:12:36,000 –> 01:12:40,200
And that’s all I want to plug
the feels like such a weird time
1163
01:12:40,200 –> 01:12:43,600
to be like, oh my gosh, I’ve
assumed show coming here.
1164
01:12:44,000 –> 01:12:47,500
You want to watch my zoom.
She’ll like, I know all of that.
1165
01:12:47,500 –> 01:12:49,900
Bucking support.
Black lives matter.
1166
01:12:49,900 –> 01:12:53,500
Yeah, meeting, you know, it’s
it’s really, there’s an
1167
01:12:53,500 –> 01:12:57,100
advantage when there’s momentum,
when there’s movement, right?
1168
01:12:57,100 –> 01:13:00,000
So it, you know, we can’t waste
it.
1169
01:13:00,100 –> 01:13:02,900
Yeah, I am my conspiracy.
Dearest heart.
1170
01:13:02,900 –> 01:13:06,700
Really think the government
thought America was going to see
1171
01:13:06,700 –> 01:13:10,700
images of people looting on
those first few nights of the
1172
01:13:10,700 –> 01:13:14,000
protests and be like, oh no keep
that from coming to my
1173
01:13:14,000 –> 01:13:16,700
neighborhood in the government
miscalculated.
1174
01:13:16,700 –> 01:13:20,700
Most neighborhoods are just mad
about police violence and wanted
1175
01:13:20,700 –> 01:13:23,300
to fucking end power to the
people man.
1176
01:13:23,400 –> 01:13:26,400
Power to the people.
When we you know, it’s a lot of
1177
01:13:26,400 –> 01:13:29,000
shit happened.
The last few days that just
1178
01:13:29,000 –> 01:13:31,800
wouldn’t have otherwise, because
we lit a fire.
1179
01:13:32,100 –> 01:13:34,900
Yeah, and we need to keep that
fucking fire going.
1180
01:13:34,900 –> 01:13:38,500
Because there are so many more
changes that still need to
1181
01:13:38,500 –> 01:13:40,900
happen.
So yeah, I was just going to say
1182
01:13:40,900 –> 01:13:43,500
like it’ll I don’t know what’s
going to happen with with Corona
1183
01:13:43,500 –> 01:13:45,400
now because they’re opening
everything up.
1184
01:13:45,400 –> 01:13:49,100
There has not been any new
treatment or vaccine so it’s
1185
01:13:49,100 –> 01:13:52,000
like what’s going to happen.
Like I just found out a friend
1186
01:13:52,000 –> 01:13:56,500
of mine in New York passed away
from covid at 31 years old so it
1187
01:13:56,500 –> 01:13:57,500
Jesus.
Yeah, yeah.
1188
01:13:57,500 –> 01:14:00,500
So it’s like, what’s the
government doing like?
1189
01:14:00,500 –> 01:14:05,100
Is it worth putting People are
at risk so you can sort of brush
1190
01:14:05,100 –> 01:14:08,200
away the movement and hopefully,
like, hope that the new cycle
1191
01:14:08,200 –> 01:14:09,500
changes.
Yeah.
1192
01:14:09,500 –> 01:14:12,600
Yeah.
I do worry about my worry.
1193
01:14:12,700 –> 01:14:16,600
Once again, in my conspiracy
theorist heart, is that the
1194
01:14:16,600 –> 01:14:19,000
protests?
Like, the protests are naturally
1195
01:14:19,000 –> 01:14:21,700
going to lead to some
coronavirus outbreaks, like
1196
01:14:21,700 –> 01:14:24,200
that’s inevitable.
But I worry that what’s going to
1197
01:14:24,200 –> 01:14:27,000
happen?
Next is States will be like
1198
01:14:27,000 –> 01:14:30,000
okay, if you were at one of
these protests, we need you to
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01:14:30,000 –> 01:14:33,800
quarantine for 14 days and And
people will take that as a
1200
01:14:33,800 –> 01:14:38,100
suggestion, not realizing the
capability, the government has
1201
01:14:38,100 –> 01:14:41,700
to track your movements based on
where your phone goes.
1202
01:14:41,700 –> 01:14:43,500
Yeah.
And people will break those
1203
01:14:43,500 –> 01:14:46,900
quarantines and they’ll get
fucking arrested and that’s what
1204
01:14:46,900 –> 01:14:49,400
they’re saying.
Like at the protest to put your
1205
01:14:49,400 –> 01:14:51,500
phone on airplane mode.
So you’re not yeah.
1206
01:14:51,500 –> 01:14:53,300
Or turn your location services
off.
1207
01:14:53,300 –> 01:14:56,200
Yeah.
So you can’t be tracked.
1208
01:14:56,300 –> 01:15:00,400
That’s very important because I
do like if you look at any of
1209
01:15:00,400 –> 01:15:05,100
these articles about 58 people
got coronavirus from going to
1210
01:15:05,100 –> 01:15:08,200
this hairdresser in Missouri,
the reason they know that is
1211
01:15:08,200 –> 01:15:11,900
they’re able to trace those
people’s phones and if you took
1212
01:15:11,900 –> 01:15:16,200
your phone to a protest and it
comes out that you’re supposed
1213
01:15:16,200 –> 01:15:20,900
to quarantine bucking quarantine
and protest 14 days from now.
1214
01:15:21,200 –> 01:15:25,400
Otherwise, I promise you you
will be arrested on a federal
1215
01:15:25,400 –> 01:15:27,800
charge of spreading a biological
weapon.
1216
01:15:28,200 –> 01:15:31,800
Yeah, the government has already
gone like the department of
1217
01:15:32,000 –> 01:15:36,400
Justice has already said people
who knowingly spread coronavirus
1218
01:15:36,400 –> 01:15:40,400
are, spreading a biological
weapon and that feels like a
1219
01:15:40,400 –> 01:15:44,100
trap there setting for
protesters to be like, well,
1220
01:15:44,100 –> 01:15:45,400
we’re on a virus is still a
thing.
1221
01:15:45,400 –> 01:15:48,000
If you leave your house, you’re
going to be in prison for five
1222
01:15:48,000 –> 01:15:48,700
years.
Yeah.
1223
01:15:48,700 –> 01:15:51,700
Because I mean it’s interesting
because unlike AIDS which is
1224
01:15:51,700 –> 01:15:53,700
transferred.
You know, through something very
1225
01:15:53,700 –> 01:15:57,300
specific coronavirus is droplets
in the air.
1226
01:15:57,300 –> 01:16:00,600
You know, someone can
intentionally infect someone
1227
01:16:00,600 –> 01:16:05,100
with AIDS.
It accidentally infect them with
1228
01:16:05,400 –> 01:16:07,200
Corona and not even knowing,
right?
1229
01:16:07,200 –> 01:16:10,700
If they’re aware of their, you
know, depending on who’s aware
1230
01:16:10,700 –> 01:16:12,900
of their status.
And especially if you get
1231
01:16:12,900 –> 01:16:16,000
tear-gassed at a protest and
everyone starts coughing.
1232
01:16:16,100 –> 01:16:18,800
I mean, I was one of the protest
before like, you know, all the
1233
01:16:18,800 –> 01:16:21,800
cops were still there and that
the National Guard was there,
1234
01:16:22,100 –> 01:16:27,600
someone pulled down a protesters
mask and basically maced them
1235
01:16:27,700 –> 01:16:29,600
were pepper.
Sprayed him in the face.
1236
01:16:29,600 –> 01:16:31,900
Yeah, we talked about that on
the last unpopped.
1237
01:16:32,000 –> 01:16:34,800
Like, wouldn’t it be so much
more effective to pepper spray
1238
01:16:34,800 –> 01:16:38,800
that mask to, like, why even
pull the mask down like your,
1239
01:16:38,800 –> 01:16:41,900
it’s gonna hurt so much if you
spray that cloth mask that
1240
01:16:41,900 –> 01:16:45,500
they’re wearing to like, what an
asshole Moon, there’s trying to
1241
01:16:45,500 –> 01:16:47,800
be dicks, but they’re like dumb
too.
1242
01:16:48,000 –> 01:16:51,800
It’s almost as if the police are
fucking awful and need to be
1243
01:16:51,800 –> 01:16:54,000
disbanded, huh?
Yeah.
1244
01:16:54,100 –> 01:16:56,400
You know what I just thought of
that I need a.
1245
01:16:56,500 –> 01:16:59,500
I need a process.
That that’s me being my widest.
1246
01:16:59,700 –> 01:17:01,900
Yeah, I just I thought of that.
That’s my idea.
1247
01:17:02,000 –> 01:17:03,500
Just beyond the defund the
police.
1248
01:17:03,700 –> 01:17:06,300
Yeah, that’s me.
I thought of all of that, yeah,
1249
01:17:06,500 –> 01:17:08,300
yeah.
Defund the fucking police black
1250
01:17:08,300 –> 01:17:10,800
lives matter.
Stop being a racist piece of
1251
01:17:10,800 –> 01:17:12,400
shit.
That’s what I have to plug this
1252
01:17:12,400 –> 01:17:13,900
week.
Black lives matter.
1253
01:17:14,000 –> 01:17:16,100
All right, let’s get the fuck
out of here.
1254
01:17:16,100 –> 01:17:18,000
Physicist, a good bye.
Bye y’all.
1255
01:17:18,000 –> 01:17:21,000
Thank you for having me.
Adam Todd, goodbye everybody.
1256
01:17:21,000 –> 01:17:21,600
We love you.