Adam and Olivia discuss the highly shady FBI surveillance program covered in the documentary The Feeling of Being Watched
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Wait till the truth that I
choose this one.
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Hey, everybody, Welcome to
conspiracy the show.
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I’m Adam Todd Brown.
Who are you?
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Hey, I’m Olivia hide our and we
are your hosts Olivia.
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How’s it going?
I haven’t talked to you in a
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million years.
Oh, yeah.
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I mean, you know, it’s going.
All right, dealing with plague
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world, just traveled across the
country.
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Yeah, that had to be intense.
Is very weird.
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Every it’s it felt like that
movie, carriers, did you ever
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watch that movie with Chris
Pine?
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I don’t think so.
No.
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It’s, it’s a road trip movie
about like a future,
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plague-ravaged America.
I mean, it sounds like something
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I would watch.
It’s pretty good.
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It’s pretty good.
I re-watched it while I was in,
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you know, and isolation.
Well, I’m glad you made it
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across the country safe.
Yes, I’m glad to be back.
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Back in.
Beautiful Los Angeles.
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Oh I bet just in time for it to
not be safe to go outside where
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extra reasons.
You know I miss the piss yellow
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Skies of Los Angeles.
It really is beautiful.
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It’s yeah gorgeous.
It’s like sepia tone outside all
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the time.
It’s true.
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You don’t even need to use a
filter.
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Yeah.
Like those old-timey pictures.
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You can take at the mall where
you dress up like right, right?
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Right.
And patrons.
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And everyone is wearing
bandages.
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Others.
Yeah that’s California.
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Like the old west we’re talking
about a documentary this week.
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We’re talking.
I mean more about an FBI
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surveillance program as depicted
in a documentary called the
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feeling of being watched, which
is a 2008 documentary or 2018
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documentary that you can watch
right.
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Damn now on Amazon Prime and I’m
going to say spoilers, you
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should watch it.
It’s really good.
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It’s A static.
It’s directed and produced by
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journalists Asia bundle, we and
it centers around her
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investigating rumors that the
community.
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She grew up in Bridgeview.
Illinois.
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A suburb of Chicago with a large
Muslim.
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Population was under FBI
surveillance for years, and
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here’s another spoiler
everybody.
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It was what if you can believe
that that is shocking and it in
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a 9/11 World.
No less.
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It truly.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
That was one of the first big
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surprises for me.
Was that this started so early
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in the 90s?
Yeah, well there had already
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been the One World Trade Center
bombing by then sure.
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So I guess it’s it kind of makes
sense but the scope of this
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program and what it
accomplished, which is Nothing,
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it’s just, it’s mind-boggling.
What did you think of this
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documentary?
I thought it was really great.
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I thought that it was by far the
best movie that I have watched
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for this podcast which wasn’t
like a tough competition
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considering like this.
I think the second-best would
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have to be the Trump tape
documentary, which is like low
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bar to pass but I thought was
really engaging really well made
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And touching in a lot of ways.
And really, I mean, an obviously
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hit very close to home being
Midwestern are myself who has
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since 9/11 encountered my own,
very small fair share of
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government interference in my
life.
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I really found it, deeply
disturbing but yeah, really
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compelling documentary, the
stuff that goes into about the
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Freedom of Information Act
request that will I’ll get into
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later I found especially
interesting and it speaks to
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something.
I’ve thought about for a long
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time because I have to research
things for the countless
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podcasts I do and I’m sure there
are things.
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I’ve thought about filing,
Freedom of Information Act
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requests over.
But then it’s like, you’re
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really just telling the
government that you’re onto
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something at that point.
Definitely.
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Yeah, that whole section was
very interesting.
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It’s such a double-edged sword.
Aang where it’s like, ha I’m
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onto you and I don’t know.
Now, you know, I’m on to you,
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right?
Yeah.
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Exactly.
I mean, especially when you’re
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looking into something that
involves government malpractice
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to been, like, rely on the
government that you’re getting,
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you know, signing away your
information to behaving.
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Appropriately is very that’s
like a huge risk.
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Yeah.
Because here’s the thing, our
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government doesn’t behave
Appropriately know, I hope
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that’s not shocking information
for the conspiracy theory crowd.
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I mean honestly if the in 2020
if that’s shocking information
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to anybody in America then they
need some help.
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I do feel like there’s still
this weird trust that a lot of
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Americans have in our government
when stuff like this, like has
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been happening for so long and
we’ve confirmed so much of it.
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Like we have Teen either 16 or
17 intelligence agencies.
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That’s like what do you think
they’re doing?
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Yeah I think there’s a there’s a
general need that people have to
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believe that there is like
someone like normal or saying
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behind the wheel when that is
usually not the case.
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Usually the people who are
behind the wheel are completely
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unhinged like the guy that she
investigates in this documentary
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who was a terrifying Sighing man
boy, is he and he shows up at
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one point that like seriously
one of the scariest moments I’ve
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seen in the documentary and a
long time.
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It’s intense.
Yeah, really is the documentary
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starts with such a crazy story.
It’s the story of her when she
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was 16, she gets woken up in the
middle of the night by a light
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shining in her bedroom and it’s
3:00 in the morning.
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She looks out the window and
sees two dudes on top of
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Telephone pole and she goes and
tells her mom and her mom is
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like, oh relax.
It’s probably just the FB i–.
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I simultaneously love and hate
that story.
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Yeah, it’s unfortunate that any
Community would be that
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comfortable with FBI
surveillance but also wow, what
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a reaction.
Yeah.
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Well, her mom is probably my
favorite character and the whole
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documentary, she rules.
Yeah, her mom’s great.
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And yeah, she talks about Being
interviewed by the FBI after
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they just show up at her door at
one point to ask questions at
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some point in the 90s and her
daughter, who is the the
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filmmaker asks how she knows.
She wasn’t just being paranoid
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and her mom’s like Oh no,
everyone in the neighborhood
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will have the same story, right?
And so she starts walking the
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neighborhood asking if anyone
has stories about being spied on
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by the FBI and like one of her
neighbors calls, her a
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troublemaker In a really cute
way.
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One neighbor gives a bread, but
refuses the interview and most,
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yeah, most of the neighbors,
refuse the interviews, right?
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But you do get the, I loved one
of the things I like so much
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about how this documentary is
shot, is you do get a sense of
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the community that she grew up
in and how closely knit and how
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like kind to each other.
Everyone is like you said about
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the woman giving her bread, like
you.
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That’s not something you would
get.
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In a usual Montage of people,
refusing to give an interview.
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No, and it’s she mentions at one
point in the documentary that
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those things about her community
that they’re very tight-knit and
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that they’re very philanthropic,
are the exact things.
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The FBI was investigating them
over, right?
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Yeah, exactly.
It’s just kind of the normal way
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of being in that Community.
Well and it’s like it weaponize
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has these things.
Are seen as like.
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Those are what you might
consider like classic American
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ideals for Community, you know,
like they’re very close to each
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other.
They care about each other.
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They lift each other up, when
things go wrong and, you know,
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and those are the very traits
that are turned against them by
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the FBI.
Just because they practice a
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different religion, right?
And it’s ironic that people on
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The right or especially, like
fiscal conservative types who
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are constantly arguing for
social programs to be cut.
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This is the kind of thing that
they argue will just pop up in
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its place as well.
Charity will take care of it.
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The community will take care of
it.
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But exactly when a community
does that, that same government
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is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
what are you up to?
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It’s not Christian should do
that.
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Not you guys, exactly.
So some Her neighbors do talk
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and they talk about you know,
just all sorts of different fun
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FBI, surveillance activities
cars that are always in the same
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spot outside.
The home cars that are always
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there when they go to the
grocery store, someone talks
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about people going through their
garbage.
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Yeah, I mean, That’s a classic
government doing tactic.
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So, everyone in this community
has stories about being watched
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by the FBI and Right.
There were two friends of hers
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in high school.
They’re both of their dad’s got
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arrested.
And yes.
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Yeah, they were charged with
terrorism stuff initially and
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then all of that gets thrown out
and they’re just charged with
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white collar, crimes, which is
what you see, throughout this
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whole investigation.
It’s a very like Rico style,
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like circumventing the law to
get, like, get someone who they
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want to accuse of a crime.
Yeah.
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No one in this community has
been charged with anything
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terrorism-related right.
Nothing despite how vast this
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program was, which we’ll get to
later.
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No one was ever charged with
like all of the charges ended up
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being like tax fraud stuff,
right?
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Yeah.
Even like their big, the big
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case that they talk about, like,
you know, with Salah is
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basically.
It never comes down to terrorism
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charges.
Oh, it comes down to Yeah, yeah.
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Tax fraud stuff.
Yeah.
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One of the cases.
The person is like literally
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taken off the terrorism watch
list but by that point yeah the
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story had run its course and no
one so that guy was terrorist
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the rest of his life basically.
Well exactly yeah, that’s the
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thing about the that watchlist,
it never really goes away.
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So she goes to the local library
to start researching claims of
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the surveillance which thanks to
covid is a thing.
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You can’t even do right now.
I don’t think Can’t do it in LA
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no.
I did enjoy her figuring out how
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to use microfiche.
That was a fun detail because
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it’s so difficult to use
microfiche.
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Yeah, I don’t know how much
editing was involved there, but
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I was actually very impressed
with how quickly she figured it
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out.
Yeah, yeah, I’m sure there were
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a few mistakes that does is it’s
a difficult technology.
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Yeah, I used to work for Target
but in like their credit card
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processing area and I I had to
change.
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I had to change this roll of
film.
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That was on one of these scanner
machines, like, once a month,
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and it was the most
labor-intensive nightmare of a
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task.
Yeah.
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And I imagined researching
something on microfiche has to
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be the same way.
I mean, I’ve never done like,
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hardcore research, like she did,
but I come from a whole family
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of librarians.
And so, I’ve definitely had my
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fair share of Misadventures with
microfiche.
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So she in her microfiche
Journeys, finds that the FBI has
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been investigating the
Bridgeview mosque, which is her
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community since nineteen goddamn
80.
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Yeah, fucking crazy.
And she talks to a journalist
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who reported on the
investigation back in the day
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and that journalists tried to
get the FBI to tell her why this
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investigation was happening.
And they said, even just telling
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her, that would threaten
National Security That’s of
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course, that’s very convenient.
Yeah, what a handy answer.
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But they did eventually find out
the name of the operation
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Operation vulgar betrayal, which
is, and they talk about it in
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the movie, but that is quite a
name.
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It’s a crazy name.
I always have wondered how
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especially like the the
intelligence agencies come up
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with these fucking.
They got to have like a whole
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department.
That is just dedicated to weird
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code name.
Like vaguely ominous code names.
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Yeah, they actually say that at
one point in this documentary,
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one of the government people she
speaks to says they have a whole
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department in Washington nicely
that names these things and with
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a name like that, I know this is
an overly positive, hope to have
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about the FBI but part of me
feels like whoever named this
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didn’t agree with this
operation.
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I like you.
No, you’re just spying on
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American citizens, right?
Okay, let’s call this operation
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vulgar betrayal.
Yeah, exactly.
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But also probably not, who’s
because, I guess it’s, they’re
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betraying because they’re
Muslim.
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That’s like the whole thing like
this.
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Like that’s the only real
interpretation of that name and
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it’s vulgar because they’re like
defaming, God or something.
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Yeah, I suppose that’s possible
to could have been a real.
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I have no idea, real Christian
time.
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Who named and probably lots of
those in the FBI.
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I bet if I bet it was right who
made it up himself?
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He seems like the type who would
have a weird creative Grudge?
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Yeah, speaking of FBI creeps,
Robert Wright is the guy who
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headed up this operation worth
noting.
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He was eventually kicked out of
the FBI for racial profiling and
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religious discrimination.
Who would have thought if you
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can believe, leave that.
And so she finds some files
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about operation vulgar betrayal
online and a lot of it’s
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redacted but she’s able to
figure out pretty quickly that
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they were just surveilling like
Muslim organizations in general
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and especially mosques like one
of the groups that is the main
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target of operation vulgar
betrayal is this umbrella group
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that covers like most mosques in
the United States?
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Yeah.
At least, like regionally like a
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very large area and it’s hard
to, I don’t know how you would
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defend that as not being
profiling like because they are,
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I mean, you’re just assuming
well I mean it’s a Muslim group,
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they’re pretty tight-knit and
philanthropic so surely they’re
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helping terrorists out.
Yeah, I mean I don’t see how you
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have any other Heather’s, any
other interpretation?
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Like they obviously have their
legalese defense of it but even
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In that is pretty thin as far as
it goes.
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Yeah.
And the in a really weird twist,
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one of the main, the the person
who kind of inspires operation
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vulgar betrayal, is this guy who
was living in the same house as
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the filmmaker when she was a
child.
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And yeah, he ends up getting
arrested and the house gets
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seized by the government.
And he’s one of the people in
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the neighborhood that They end
up arresting and labeling him a
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terrorist right away and as time
goes on, it turns out, he’s not.
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But by that point, the story has
spread through the media that
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way they hold it on like text
charges and stuff.
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Is that, that’s the, that’s a,
the select.
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The guy, I think his name was
still alive, right?
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Right.
And he was like the biggest name
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that like they were able to
catch from this in from this
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investigation and he He stay
still didn’t get him on
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terrorism.
Yeah.
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Like he’s the biggest name and
he’s not a name at all.
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Really right.
Which is a lot of time and
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resources.
Spent, yeah, on nothing on just
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spying on people because they
are not white.
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Yeah, not white.
Not Christian.
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Yeah, it’s it’s in sync.
I would love will never know,
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but I would love to know how
much money was spent on this.
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Listen since the 80s.
Yeah.
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And in the file she looks at.
It says they intended to
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interview 500 people and yeah,
that’s actually that’s a pretty
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important number once this
documentary wraps up which it
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doesn’t, it’s kind of a
frustrating conclusion, that,
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this documentary comes to sure
because of the government.
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Yeah, there’s no real conclusion
that they can really come to,
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there’s no closure, really?
Because it’s still ongoing.
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Going one of the craziest parts
to me.
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In the beginning, least the the
beginning part of this
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documentary because there are
some really crazy crazy moments.
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It’s got, It’s got twists and
light, and let me said the
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start.
You guys should really it’s on
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Amazon Prime.
You should check it out.
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It’s a really good documentary.
Yeah, it should be a movie, like
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it would be a really good idea.
Yeah.
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I would love to watch a
narrative like fictional movie
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about it and one of the craziest
Parts in the Genin is after
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she’s gotten all these documents
online about operation vulgar
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betrayal and she’s going through
all this stuff with our family.
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And there’s things in the these
documents that match up to
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things in her childhood, even
through all that.
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They’re I think it’s her
brother.
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When they’re eating dinner is
still like, okay, where the
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people wearing FBI hats when
they showed up this was all ten
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years ago.
Yeah.
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I mean you know I like yeah I
get it.
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I get it on both ends because
it’s like Like it is that
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classic?
You know, she opens with the
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thing about the panopticon and
kind of closes on that too but
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like it is this thing where
you’ve got to believe in
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something you know, to an
extent.
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So I get why, you know, someone
might not want to believe that
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the government has focused this
much effort on to their
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Community for no reason.
But I mean like, I don’t like, I
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can’t like empathize because I,
you know, I obviously don’t have
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that trust but like I
understand.
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Yeah, so yeah.
At this point, she files a bunch
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of Freedom of Information, Act
requests to get information
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about operation vulgar betrayal,
and that’s when she like, right
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away at Don’s on her like, oh,
okay.
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I’m giving my email address to
the FBI.
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Yeah, I had no idea, the amount
of stuff that you had to hand
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over, in order to file, a
Freedom of Information Act
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request.
That was all news to me.
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I he’s very surprised by all
that.
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It’s a very intimidating process
and especially in this case
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because she keeps getting these
rejections and having to refile.
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And it’s really clear that the
FBI has something, but they just
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don’t want to give it to her.
Exactly.
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And one of the letters to get
says, they can’t confirm or deny
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that they have a file on her
mom.
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But her mom had also been
visited by the FBI.
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So of course, they have a
friend, of course.
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Yeah.
In She gets a letter saying they
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found more than 33 thousand
pages of Records regarding her
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request.
That is insane.
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It’s really it’s hard to even
comprehend how much information
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that is in.
This is just on her community,
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right?
Just like a single small
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neighborhood.
You know, on in outer
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Chicagoland.
Yeah.
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It’s a suburb of Chicago.
And then yeah 33 thousand pages
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of Records on that one suburb of
If she’s so the government tells
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her, they have all these files,
but they’re also like, yeah,
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it’s going to take us three
years to get those to you,
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right?
Right.
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And I wasn’t sure was that
because they were arguing, they
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were going to have to go through
them.
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And redact each one or were they
already redacted?
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They’re just like, yeah, it’s
going to take that long to print
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them out.
Yeah, I don’t know.
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I mean, like, just it kind of
felt to me like it was just part
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of the entire feeling of that
she was kind of getting across
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of filing these The things is
they just don’t want to, they
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want to do everything they can
to make you stop asking for the
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paperwork.
Like yeah.
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So they’re just putting as many
obstacles in her way as
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possible.
Putting her off trying to get
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her to give up this, how it felt
to me and not only, does she not
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give up?
She sues the government?
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Yeah.
God that’s got to be a scary
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thing to do seriously,
especially knowing what she
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knows, right?
Right.
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And yeah, especially with what
she suing them over because it’s
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not going to be a good look when
this comes out.
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But this is also the United
States.
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So like this came out and
nothing really happened.
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Worst supposed to have standards
One part, that’s really crazy
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immediately after almost
immediately after she sues the
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government, the city just
mysteriously puts up a speed
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bump, right?
Outside her apartment.
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It was so weird.
She was like, I think it’s so
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cars can slow down when we pass.
Yeah, or no one notices.
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Yeah, I mean it’s one of those
moments that’s really good where
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it’s obviously not clear whether
that was purposeful.
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A thing that’s there to help spy
on her or whether she’s just
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pee, you know, being
understandably paranoid, after
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going through all of this.
But it’s in, it’s purposely
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left, you know, ambiguous,
because obviously she doesn’t
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know the answer, but it’s really
puts you right in the mindset of
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someone in this community, where
you just questioning every
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little thing that seemed
suspicious or out of place,
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right?
And then days later, you get an
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alert from Google that
Government hackers might be
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trying to steal your password.
That was the that man, I want to
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say that was the scariest part,
but there’s something later, but
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like God, that really freaked me
out.
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I had never even heard of
something like that before.
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Yeah, it almost made me wonder
if there were actually
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government hackers trying to
steal her password or if in
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situations like this.
I mean, granted this, this
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scenario requires a little
collaboration between Google in
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the government and far, be it
from me to suggest anything
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anything.
So the craziest accusation.
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But what if instead of trying to
hack someone’s password in
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situations like this, the
government just sends out that
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notification to scare Pete,
right?
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I mean, it would be just as
effective eat.
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Yeah, I could see it either way
because I like, again, I have
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never heard of that kind of a
notification before ever.
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I didn’t even know it was a
possibility.
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Yeah.
You think you would have seen
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like a TechCrunch article about
it or something?
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Yeah, or something.
Or like, it would have been,
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like a Twitter thread or I don’t
know.
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I’ve literally.
Yeah, that was very surprising.
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Yeah.
And this was in 2018.
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Well, it’s this documentary was
released in 2018 but this is all
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happening in like 2016.
Yeah, because they vote in the
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2016 election at one point.
Yeah.
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That’s the crazy part about this
too.
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As all of this is unfolding As
Trump.
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Is becoming president?
Yeah, it kind of becomes about
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that in a, not in like she
talked about it in any way, but
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like the idea that Trump is
taking over the controls of this
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Machinery is kind of underlying
the entire film, right?
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And that had to be especially
tense when he won and to be out
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in in the middle of this fight
with a government and now it’s
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Trump’s government.
Oh no.
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Lutely.
So yeah, all the people she’s
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teaming up with on this all have
stories of being visited by the
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FBI recently, and she starts
going door to door and getting
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these privacy waivers, which are
exactly what they sound like
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people sign them.
And by signing it, there they’re
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waiving any right to privacy
when it comes to the FBI,
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releasing Files about them to
the public, which is actually
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very smart.
Yeah, it’s very smart, but it’s
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very scary.
It’s a smart way to get around.
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And that but yeah that’s a lot
to ask people.
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It’s and it’s amazing that she
was able to convince people to
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actually do that.
Yeah, there’s a there’s a really
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00:26:15,800 –> 00:26:18,200
interesting interview at one
point.
441
00:26:18,200 –> 00:26:22,500
Also she interviews a guy named
Mark flexner who is a former US
442
00:26:22,500 –> 00:26:28,300
Assistant Attorney and she’s
grilling him about the fact that
443
00:26:28,300 –> 00:26:32,500
this investigation carried on
for years and there were never
444
00:26:32,500 –> 00:26:39,300
any actual terrorism charges
that came from it and he Kind of
445
00:26:39,300 –> 00:26:43,300
tiptoes around the question of
whether this investigation was
446
00:26:43,300 –> 00:26:47,900
based on islamophobia and he
says no, but when he says it, it
447
00:26:47,900 –> 00:26:52,900
seems like his soul is trying to
kick the words back out of his
448
00:26:52,900 –> 00:26:56,600
throat.
It’s such an interesting moment.
449
00:26:56,700 –> 00:27:02,200
Very obviously being evasive and
disingenuous with a lot of his
450
00:27:02,200 –> 00:27:04,600
answers.
It was really an interesting
451
00:27:04,600 –> 00:27:07,700
interview, the part where they
go to court is really
452
00:27:07,900 –> 00:27:10,700
Fascinating and I don’t want to
spoil that for people.
453
00:27:11,100 –> 00:27:14,600
This document, it’s extremely
well done on top of it, just
454
00:27:14,600 –> 00:27:18,600
being interesting information,
it’s just really well-executed.
455
00:27:19,500 –> 00:27:23,400
Yeah, very, very well-made Asia
is an extremely compelling
456
00:27:23,400 –> 00:27:28,000
presenter, as a really good
center for the film and its
457
00:27:28,000 –> 00:27:30,200
really well edited.
I really liked it a lot.
458
00:27:30,500 –> 00:27:33,600
One moment, I do want to talk
about just a little bit because
459
00:27:33,600 –> 00:27:37,400
there’s no way we can truly
spoil this moment, but in the
460
00:27:37,400 –> 00:27:41,400
middle of Of all this.
There’s like this hostage
461
00:27:41,400 –> 00:27:43,900
situation.
Yeah.
462
00:27:44,200 –> 00:27:48,800
The mosque in Bridgeview and it
happens right in the middle of
463
00:27:48,800 –> 00:27:51,800
filming this documentary and
everyone, right?
464
00:27:51,800 –> 00:27:54,700
When they’re like right when the
whole Community is at this
465
00:27:54,700 –> 00:28:00,300
mosque, the yeah FBI or just
feds show up and they’re like,
466
00:28:00,300 –> 00:28:03,400
hey there’s a there’s some
robbers on the loose.
467
00:28:03,500 –> 00:28:07,500
Yeah, bank robbery.
Oh and you all got to stay here.
468
00:28:07,600 –> 00:28:10,300
We have Locking down here while
we go.
469
00:28:10,300 –> 00:28:16,300
We go search for them and it’s
slowly revealed that there was
470
00:28:16,300 –> 00:28:19,300
no robbery.
There were no bank robbers,
471
00:28:19,300 –> 00:28:21,400
right on the loose.
Yeah, they start getting
472
00:28:21,400 –> 00:28:24,200
contradicting like evidence
people.
473
00:28:24,200 –> 00:28:27,600
Like one of the cops gives them
like a different answer for
474
00:28:27,600 –> 00:28:32,300
what’s happening, right?
And what pretty much the entire
475
00:28:32,300 –> 00:28:37,000
Community specs, is that the FB
I just wanted to be able to show
476
00:28:37,000 –> 00:28:39,700
up in search of A few houses
without getting a search,
477
00:28:39,700 –> 00:28:43,300
warrant something like this
provides them cover to do that
478
00:28:43,400 –> 00:28:45,400
and they make a pretty
compelling case.
479
00:28:45,600 –> 00:28:50,200
And I think it’s Ozzy is mom.
Who says, like we’ve had bank
480
00:28:50,200 –> 00:28:53,500
robberies around here before,
like this is an urban area.
481
00:28:53,500 –> 00:28:58,100
Like, we’ve had bank robberies
before, and they’ve never done
482
00:28:58,100 –> 00:29:00,100
anything like this for that
before.
483
00:29:00,300 –> 00:29:03,600
Yeah, she points out that there
were like, seven different
484
00:29:03,700 –> 00:29:05,500
police departments all on the
scene.
485
00:29:05,500 –> 00:29:07,700
The moment it happened.
It’s like, no, that’s good.
486
00:29:07,900 –> 00:29:11,800
A coordinated thing.
It was really bizarre and
487
00:29:12,000 –> 00:29:16,500
speaking about bizarre
interactions between law
488
00:29:16,500 –> 00:29:21,000
enforcement and the community.
How about that meeting with the
489
00:29:21,000 –> 00:29:25,800
FBI at the mosque.
Oh yeah that was very strange.
490
00:29:25,800 –> 00:29:30,200
That was an extremely strange
seen all around just with
491
00:29:30,200 –> 00:29:32,700
between the FBI and Community
leaders.
492
00:29:32,800 –> 00:29:37,700
They have most of the FBI, their
faces are blacked out.
493
00:29:37,800 –> 00:29:41,100
And you can still see the
tension on their faces.
494
00:29:41,100 –> 00:29:43,800
Oh, yeah.
Like it’s palpable the tension
495
00:29:43,800 –> 00:29:48,100
in that room is palpable and
they Gaslight the shit out of
496
00:29:48,100 –> 00:29:49,000
her.
Yeah.
497
00:29:49,100 –> 00:29:51,600
And some of the community
leaders due to which I think
498
00:29:51,600 –> 00:29:56,000
beans into the pan Opticon like
point that she’s making it the
499
00:29:56,008 –> 00:30:00,300
beginning and the end we’re like
these people leaders in the
500
00:30:00,308 –> 00:30:05,200
community have even been
frightened into believing that
501
00:30:05,200 –> 00:30:07,700
as long as they behave, like
model citizens.
502
00:30:07,900 –> 00:30:11,800
Don’t question anything.
Then the they will stop being
503
00:30:11,800 –> 00:30:15,100
investigated, which is flawed
thinking, obviously but
504
00:30:15,100 –> 00:30:19,200
understandable, right?
And the, the thing that they
505
00:30:19,200 –> 00:30:24,100
Gaslight her over is a bunch of
people in the area reported that
506
00:30:24,100 –> 00:30:28,400
the FBI showed up before Trump
was elected and ask them about
507
00:30:28,400 –> 00:30:30,900
their political beliefs.
Yeah.
508
00:30:30,900 –> 00:30:35,200
And someone in the meeting is
like the FBI doesn’t do that.
509
00:30:35,200 –> 00:30:37,700
Like there is enough evidence
that that happened.
510
00:30:37,800 –> 00:30:40,700
And that you can’t just do a
flat denial, right?
511
00:30:40,700 –> 00:30:42,600
And they do.
Yeah.
512
00:30:42,800 –> 00:30:46,300
And then you have to wonder,
like, does that guy know that
513
00:30:46,300 –> 00:30:49,500
they do this?
And just is willing to go out on
514
00:30:49,508 –> 00:30:52,100
a limb and lie in front of the
whole Community?
515
00:30:52,400 –> 00:30:55,000
Or does he?
Maybe not even know because yes,
516
00:30:55,000 –> 00:30:57,700
umm, I assume in a culture like
that, you’re, you know, the
517
00:30:57,700 –> 00:31:00,300
things that you’re supposed to
know or that they want you to
518
00:31:00,300 –> 00:31:02,000
know, right?
And like then there’s going to
519
00:31:02,000 –> 00:31:06,100
be the foot soldiers who have to
go out and do community
520
00:31:06,100 –> 00:31:09,600
relations at the local mosque.
PR and shit.
521
00:31:09,600 –> 00:31:13,700
Still have it in their head that
the FBI is pure and only about
522
00:31:13,700 –> 00:31:15,900
Justice, which of course,
they’re not.
523
00:31:16,100 –> 00:31:19,200
No, they haven’t been for a long
time if ever.
524
00:31:19,400 –> 00:31:22,400
Yeah, like, we know, cointelpro
was a thing.
525
00:31:22,500 –> 00:31:26,400
Like, yeah, I just, I wonder, at
what point it is that people
526
00:31:26,400 –> 00:31:29,900
think these intelligence
agencies and law enforcement
527
00:31:29,900 –> 00:31:33,000
agencies, cleaned up their act.
Right?
528
00:31:33,600 –> 00:31:36,200
Yeah.
Like, when do you think the CIA
529
00:31:36,200 –> 00:31:39,800
stopped being bad?
Like what what what prompted
530
00:31:39,800 –> 00:31:44,600
that how did they reform the
organization that spied on MLK
531
00:31:44,600 –> 00:31:46,900
jr.
Exactly.
532
00:31:47,200 –> 00:31:50,800
Like what were the actual steps
of Reform that someone defund
533
00:31:50,800 –> 00:31:54,200
the CIA at some point?
Yeah exactly.
534
00:31:54,400 –> 00:31:57,700
Oh we probably pinky swear that
we’re not doing any more coups
535
00:31:58,100 –> 00:32:02,300
speaking of creepy government
agents oh my God this guy how
536
00:32:02,300 –> 00:32:08,300
about Robert right he was the
the guy who headed up Nation
537
00:32:08,300 –> 00:32:14,300
vulgar betrayal and he gets word
that Asia is looking into it and
538
00:32:14,300 –> 00:32:18,200
this creeper shows up at her
mom’s house.
539
00:32:18,500 –> 00:32:23,100
Yeah, this whole section is
easily the most terrifying part
540
00:32:23,200 –> 00:32:26,700
of the entire.
This is where it just starts to
541
00:32:26,700 –> 00:32:29,700
feel like something is going to
go wrong at any moment.
542
00:32:30,500 –> 00:32:34,500
Yeah, because she ends up
calling him and the way he
543
00:32:34,500 –> 00:32:41,300
approaches this conversation,
he’s so So casual and yes, he’s
544
00:32:41,300 –> 00:32:44,700
giggling, but he’s also being
really threatening.
545
00:32:44,800 –> 00:32:47,200
Oh yeah.
Because at one point he starts
546
00:32:47,200 –> 00:32:50,700
naming off the other families
that live on the street and he
547
00:32:50,700 –> 00:32:53,100
was like, oh I got you all lived
in the area but I didn’t know
548
00:32:53,100 –> 00:32:56,900
you were all.
Well yeah, he drops the name of
549
00:32:57,100 –> 00:32:59,600
he dropped.
So Allah has named who, you
550
00:32:59,600 –> 00:33:02,600
know, the big guy that they
quote unquote caught from the
551
00:33:02,600 –> 00:33:07,000
investigation which to me was
like, really letting her like
552
00:33:07,100 –> 00:33:11,300
trying to Suddenly quote, like
letting her in on what he’s
553
00:33:11,300 –> 00:33:16,000
doing, he’s creepy in the videos
from like 20 years ago and it
554
00:33:16,000 –> 00:33:19,600
does not seem like he stopped
being creepy in those 20 years.
555
00:33:19,800 –> 00:33:23,400
Yeah, he’s somehow creepy or
over the phone, then he is.
556
00:33:23,400 –> 00:33:26,500
Yes, videos.
That is one of the most
557
00:33:26,500 –> 00:33:31,600
disturbing phone calls like real
phone calls that I’ve seen on
558
00:33:31,600 –> 00:33:35,100
film before.
Yeah, you can tell she’s
559
00:33:35,100 –> 00:33:37,600
genuinely freaked out and for
good reason.
560
00:33:37,800 –> 00:33:40,700
Of course, he’s acting like a
serial killer.
561
00:33:41,000 –> 00:33:44,100
Yes, yeah.
Like he didn’t just go to her
562
00:33:44,100 –> 00:33:46,100
mom’s house.
He like kind of like no
563
00:33:46,100 –> 00:33:48,100
door-to-door through the
neighborhood.
564
00:33:48,100 –> 00:33:51,300
Yes.
Something really terrified and
565
00:33:51,300 –> 00:33:55,400
didn’t ignite like he did not
identify himself in any way like
566
00:33:55,500 –> 00:34:00,000
she had to like play like when
she shows her mom, the picture
567
00:34:00,000 –> 00:34:04,200
of him and his like, is this the
guy and like and her mom
568
00:34:04,200 –> 00:34:06,700
confirms that it was him.
It’s so chilling.
569
00:34:06,900 –> 00:34:09,900
Yeah.
Screams she lets out when that
570
00:34:09,900 –> 00:34:13,600
happens is yeah, tense.
And yeah, that would be
571
00:34:13,600 –> 00:34:17,199
terrifying like this got like,
is this guy even in the FBI
572
00:34:17,199 –> 00:34:19,900
anymore, right?
It was really weird.
573
00:34:19,900 –> 00:34:22,100
What Authority does he have to
do?
574
00:34:22,100 –> 00:34:24,800
Any of this?
It’s just like an intelligence
575
00:34:24,800 –> 00:34:27,000
mercenary.
God.
576
00:34:27,100 –> 00:34:31,400
So weird it is very, it’s a very
creepy moment.
577
00:34:31,400 –> 00:34:36,600
Like he’s so he’s so jovial on
the phone, but he’s also being
578
00:34:36,600 –> 00:34:40,000
very sighing.
And that you only hear part of
579
00:34:40,000 –> 00:34:44,000
it because he refuses to let the
call, be recorded, which always
580
00:34:44,000 –> 00:34:46,100
a good sign.
Of course, of course.
581
00:34:46,100 –> 00:34:48,199
And he’s very casual about that
too.
582
00:34:48,400 –> 00:34:50,199
He’s like, no, I don’t want to
be recorded.
583
00:34:50,199 –> 00:34:54,699
Yeah, and then apparently, he
asked her, if her mom was scared
584
00:34:54,699 –> 00:35:00,200
by him, shut up and when so yes,
he just laughed.
585
00:35:00,300 –> 00:35:04,600
Oh, literally a serial killer,
like honestly, it sounded like
586
00:35:04,600 –> 00:35:07,600
the fucking snow man.
Yeah.
587
00:35:08,000 –> 00:35:12,900
It was, it was very creepy and
again I don’t want to spoil
588
00:35:13,000 –> 00:35:16,800
these parts of the documentary
entirely, but even if you just
589
00:35:16,800 –> 00:35:20,700
Google it, you’ll know that they
do sort of win in court, the
590
00:35:20,700 –> 00:35:26,000
feds are forced to turn over
3,500 Pages a month until all
591
00:35:26,000 –> 00:35:31,300
33,000 plus are released and she
actually finds out that they
592
00:35:31,300 –> 00:35:35,900
have files on 500 people in just
in her community.
593
00:35:36,000 –> 00:35:39,500
Yeah, we and I want to say,
like, even if you know, like,
594
00:35:39,500 –> 00:35:42,900
like with any great documentary,
even if you know, the real
595
00:35:43,000 –> 00:35:45,900
information, like you can’t
really spoil it because it is
596
00:35:45,900 –> 00:35:50,600
such a well-made documentary
that you’re going to be along
597
00:35:50,600 –> 00:35:55,000
for the ride when you watch it.
But yeah, it was it was wild how
598
00:35:55,000 –> 00:35:58,100
like the extent to which like
you already know.
599
00:35:58,100 –> 00:36:02,400
It’s going to be fast with
33,000 plus pages but even
600
00:36:02,400 –> 00:36:06,000
still, it’s really breathtaking.
Yeah, even the stuff she finds
601
00:36:06,000 –> 00:36:09,000
in the first few.
She does get some of the
602
00:36:09,000 –> 00:36:12,500
documents by the time, this
documentary ends, and even some
603
00:36:12,500 –> 00:36:15,600
of the stuff she finds in those
first few documents, it’s
604
00:36:15,600 –> 00:36:20,600
bananas, it’s so creepy to
watch, people read these
605
00:36:21,300 –> 00:36:26,200
broadly, redacted, documents,
and still be able to recognize
606
00:36:26,400 –> 00:36:30,600
moments from their life, being
described in a very clinical,
607
00:36:30,900 –> 00:36:33,800
like, Outsider way.
Like, that’s a very surreal
608
00:36:33,800 –> 00:36:37,600
thing to go through.
Yeah, just to know that.
609
00:36:37,700 –> 00:36:41,700
At a government intelligence
agency is wielding that much
610
00:36:41,800 –> 00:36:45,100
influence in your life.
You know, they they really do
611
00:36:45,100 –> 00:36:48,700
because what they keep hitting
on throughout this documentary.
612
00:36:48,700 –> 00:36:51,200
Is that what surveillance like
this does?
613
00:36:51,200 –> 00:36:54,600
Even if it doesn’t uncover
anything, there’s there’s this
614
00:36:54,600 –> 00:36:58,300
chilling effect in the community
where now you’re like, well
615
00:36:58,300 –> 00:37:02,100
don’t say bomb in public, don’t
speak Arabic really loud in
616
00:37:02,100 –> 00:37:04,000
public, right?
You’re right.
617
00:37:04,100 –> 00:37:06,200
Yeah.
And this is very much like the
618
00:37:06,200 –> 00:37:09,700
panopticon framing.
Is that they, that she has,
619
00:37:09,700 –> 00:37:11,500
where she’s talked up.
Yeah.
620
00:37:11,500 –> 00:37:15,400
Like this whole idea that, if
you convince people that they’re
621
00:37:15,400 –> 00:37:18,600
being watched in every moment
then that’s going to change
622
00:37:18,600 –> 00:37:21,900
their behavior whether or not
they want to.
623
00:37:22,000 –> 00:37:25,100
Yeah, it’s stassi shit.
Like that’s what.
624
00:37:25,100 –> 00:37:27,300
Yeah.
That’s kind of how they operated
625
00:37:27,300 –> 00:37:30,400
is there.
And I just never knew.
626
00:37:30,600 –> 00:37:33,800
If the person you were talking
to was one of them.
627
00:37:33,900 –> 00:37:37,200
So like they barely like they
barely needed to really crack
628
00:37:37,200 –> 00:37:40,000
down on On people because
everyone was too scared to say
629
00:37:40,000 –> 00:37:43,300
shit.
Anyway, and it seems like that
630
00:37:43,300 –> 00:37:46,500
kind of became the point of this
operation.
631
00:37:46,500 –> 00:37:49,800
Because at some point you’re
not, you’re not catching anyone
632
00:37:49,800 –> 00:37:52,500
doing anything so you’re sort of
just spinning your wheels,
633
00:37:52,500 –> 00:37:57,100
unless you can scare that
Community into thinking, you’re
634
00:37:57,100 –> 00:37:59,500
always watching, right?
Absolutely.
635
00:37:59,600 –> 00:38:03,700
Like that is definitely the main
goal and, like, and that became
636
00:38:03,700 –> 00:38:08,700
even more clear after 9/11, when
these sorts of Broad
637
00:38:08,700 –> 00:38:13,400
surveillance tactics went even
wider and against, you know,
638
00:38:13,400 –> 00:38:18,700
broader Muslim communities and
Arab American communities with
639
00:38:18,700 –> 00:38:21,400
like the no-fly lists and those
sorts of things.
640
00:38:21,400 –> 00:38:27,200
The extra security is just it’s
all just to make people conform,
641
00:38:27,200 –> 00:38:35,800
and not hold these beliefs and
communities that are considered
642
00:38:35,800 –> 00:38:37,500
by the authorities to be
unaware.
643
00:38:37,700 –> 00:38:38,700
Erican.
Yeah.
644
00:38:38,900 –> 00:38:42,000
And it’s it’s the American
government doing that to
645
00:38:42,000 –> 00:38:43,900
American citizens.
Yeah.
646
00:38:44,100 –> 00:38:47,600
As American as anyone.
Yeah, it’s on Amazon Prime.
647
00:38:47,600 –> 00:38:50,100
Even if you don’t have Amazon
Prime you can probably ran it
648
00:38:50,100 –> 00:38:52,900
for cheap.
It’s probably even on YouTube by
649
00:38:52,900 –> 00:38:55,800
this point it’s been out for a
couple years maybe but I mean
650
00:38:55,800 –> 00:38:57,600
it’s worth throwing her a couple
bucks.
651
00:38:57,700 –> 00:38:59,100
Yeah.
Absolutely.
652
00:38:59,200 –> 00:39:04,900
And we’ll we’ll link to where
you can watch it on the website
653
00:39:05,000 –> 00:39:07,500
so you don’t even have to do any
work.
654
00:39:07,700 –> 00:39:09,700
Find it.
I mean you have to go yeah
655
00:39:09,700 –> 00:39:14,800
website but easy-peasy yeah and
beyond that I think I think
656
00:39:14,800 –> 00:39:18,300
that’s our episode do.
Yeah I mean I don’t think we
657
00:39:18,300 –> 00:39:21,200
missed anything.
We did not talk about one of the
658
00:39:21,200 –> 00:39:23,600
best characters which is her
great dog.
659
00:39:24,000 –> 00:39:26,600
Who hangs out, I want to know
that dog’s name.
660
00:39:26,800 –> 00:39:30,500
Yeah, that dog rules.
He hangs out while she’s doing
661
00:39:30,500 –> 00:39:33,300
her research and seems very
chill.
662
00:39:33,900 –> 00:39:37,100
He’s a chill big dog.
He’s a naughty boy, at one
663
00:39:37,100 –> 00:39:38,400
point.
She She’s telling him getting
664
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bad, and he gets up on the, on
the couch.
665
00:39:40,600 –> 00:39:42,200
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, the shroom.
666
00:39:42,200 –> 00:39:44,600
He’s that’s where the real drama
comes from.
667
00:39:46,700 –> 00:39:49,900
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cast out Tech.
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they’re gonna follow, follow
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673
00:40:07,900 –> 00:40:12,400
What do you got to plug?
You know, stay stay home, stay
674
00:40:12,400 –> 00:40:16,600
safe, stay isolated.
You can follow me on Twitter at.
675
00:40:16,600 –> 00:40:20,000
Hi there, hide our and that’s
it.
676
00:40:20,000 –> 00:40:23,000
I mean, you know, go protest be
active, you should.
677
00:40:23,000 –> 00:40:25,100
Yeah.
And wear a mask, please.
678
00:40:25,200 –> 00:40:28,500
Yes, and wear masks.
All right, let’s get out of
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here.
Olivia say goodbye.
680
00:40:30,300 –> 00:40:32,100
Goodbye.
Goodbye everybody.
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We love you.