Originally recorded and released as a subscriber only episode in 2021. Adam and Laura review the 2013 loosely-based-on-Jonestown found footage horror film The Sacrament with special guest Andy Sell.
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Hey, everybody.
This is Adam host to this
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podcast.
Don’t skip this, it’s not an ad.
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This is going to be real quick.
Just drop it in to let, you
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know, this episode was
originally recorded and released
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as a subscriber exclusive right
around this time.
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Last year back.
Then it was a bonus episode.
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That was part of our super deep
dive into the Jonestown
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conspiracy.
The subject of this episode in
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particular is the 2013
found-footage horror.
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Horror film The Sacrament which
was Loosely and or very
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Faithfully based on the
Jonestown tragedy depending on
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how you look at it, the names of
the people and locations are
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changed and it’s set in the
2010s, but also a lot of what
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happens in the movie is a beat
for beat retelling of
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Congressman Leo Ryan, ‘s
disastrous visit to Jonestown
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except in this case.
It’s a group of Vice journalists
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and one of them is To rescue his
sister.
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So it’s like, if instead of the
government sending someone cool
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to check out Jonestown.
They sent a bunch of ice
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reporters.
We are re releasing the episode
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now for a couple of reasons,
first, and most important, as
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you might have noticed last
week.
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The show is on a very, very
short break.
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And by that.
I mean, we’ll be back to
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releasing new episodes next
week.
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As for why we landed on this
particular, episode to cover our
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vacation is because it’s at
least, Tangentially related to
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something happening right now,
that something is a horror movie
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called X, which is in theaters,
right?
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Now.
It’s an a24 production.
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So it’s getting a lot of Buzz
for that reason alone.
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The people who brought you lamb,
if you haven’t seen lamb, holy
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shit, but also the reviews are
good and the movie is good.
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I saw it yesterday.
Very weird.
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Very creepy.
Very much did not realize one of
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the characters was rapper, Kid
Cudi.
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In real life, spoiler.
He plays the old woman.
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Anyway, the tie that binds the
2013.
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Found-footage horror film The
Sacrament and the 2022 regular
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footage.
Horror film X is director, tie
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West.
He’s an up-and-coming horror
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director.
If you’re a fan of the genre,
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you know, the name X is probably
the most high-profile project.
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He’s released so far, unless you
count, the first VHS movie.
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Be as high profile, which I do
love that franchise.
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Check it out, sometime.
In all that said, I just want to
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reassure you.
This isn’t sponsored content or
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anything like that.
I mean, not that were above
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sponsored content.
Come on, you’ve listened to this
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show, but I personally find a
lot of Thai, West movies,
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overrated and a little boring,
but I like Tex a whole lot and
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the sacrament is probably my
second favorite Thai.
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West movie.
Maybe House of the devil, but
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oh, I I feel like that’s a
little overrated, but hey, watch
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them all and decide for
yourself.
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And yeah, that is the entire
reason why we decided to release
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this episode on our week off.
Keep it simple.
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Stupid, you know, it’s what they
say not to me because I’m not
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stupid, great, but they say it’s
a people who are stupid.
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So with all that out of the way,
let’s get to the episode.
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Again.
This is an old one features,
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Laura Crawford, who will be back
at some point.
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She’s been working on a TV show
as my co-host.
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Host.
And Andy sell, who is normally
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my co-host on the unpopped music
podcasts.
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He hosts a podcast on the
network called ghoul school and
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he is here to delve into tie.
West’s the sacrament with us
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this week, meaning this week
like a year ago.
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Just under a year ago, like nine
days short does, all that
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matter.
No.
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Thanks for listening.
We love you.
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Let’s get to the show.
I went through the transparent.
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Hey everybody.
Welcome to conspiracy to show.
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I’m Adam Todd Brown.
My co-host this week, Laura
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Crawford.
Hey, everybody.
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Hi and the back, we have a
guest, how rare?
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We almost never have guests on
this podcast.
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And Isel is here Andy, huh?
Oh, okay.
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We’re doing that.
Yeah, that Andy hosts a podcast,
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on the network called ghoul
school.
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That is back in full effect.
Mmm.
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Also, also my co-host on a
series of on pops music podcast,
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we’re going to do another one
soon.
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We were going to do Marilyn
Manson and then all that shit
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broke out.
Yeah, I can’t do that.
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And so now we’re back to the
drawing board.
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This is a bonus episode Holland
for Slipknot, by the way.
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Slipknot would be Resting,
maybe.
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I don’t know.
Maybe they have their boring as
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fucking back.
Maybe.
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Yeah, maybe they’re super boring
and they wear those fucking
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masks to hide it.
No idea.
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But this is a bonus episode.
We’re neck-deep in research.
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In the theory that Jonestown was
a CIA, medical experiment, and
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Dad needs a break from all that
research.
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So we’re doing a really
light-hearted bonus episode this
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week where we’re discussing.
A horror movie called The
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Sacrament which is Loosely but
also not that Loosely based on
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Jonestown.
Yes.
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It’s a boyfriend fit adaptation
of the Jonestown story.
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It’s not a carpenter pant and
I’m just trying to think of the
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looseness of this adaptation.
It’s a it’s got a it’s got a
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good hold on you, you know, it’s
like squeezing a trigger, isn’t
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it?
Yeah, what’s interesting is the
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names are changed and a lot of
the like the Details like that
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or changed but it actually kind
of nails.
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The sequence of events that led
to the end of Jonestown and the
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mass murder that happened at the
end.
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Stop calling it a mass suicide
people.
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Most of those people were
murdered.
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Yeah, it is.
Yeah mass suicide.
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It’s not really the way to
frame.
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It is a misnomer that’s been
applied over the years.
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I just excited when he sent me
this because not because I’m
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excited to watch.
Eli Roth horror movies.
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Oh, no, never excited about
that, but I was excited.
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Zico, interesting.
It was like a Jonestown film.
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And I’ve seen Jonestown things
before, I think.
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I’ve seen where, oh, dude.
Who’s that guy Powers Boothe,
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please Jim Jones and it’s a
movie that I’ve seen of Powers
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Boothe.
Who doesn’t god.
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Well, yeah, just zesty.
Salted the Earth.
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He’s, yeah, he’s a powerful man.
Powerful.
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He’s in power from whose Powers
Andy.
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What did what did you think of
this movie?
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I know you’ve seen it.
Yeah.
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I mean, it’s In a minute, I’ve
seen it.
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I’ve seen it, I think twice,
maybe three times but it’s it
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has been a little while.
But I so this was one of those
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movies that before it was
released.
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I was excited to see it because
I was a big fan of the director
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tie West where they had.
I had loved the wrist trigger
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man and House of the devil, you
know, and I was excited to see.
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See, I’m the itís, I haven’t
liked most of his movies, which
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is that’s, that’s fine.
He’s, you know, he’s survived
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without you.
He’s part of that.
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That group, you know, he’s part
of that, that mumblecore
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adjacent, horror group, The
mumbled Gore movement, but he is
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like, definitely.
Because he’s friends with, you
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know, Joe Swanberg, AJ Bowen and
all those people that are in
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this movie are part of the whole
mumblecore thing.
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And he, you know, it’s an
acquired taste for sure.
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I think like, mumblecore.
Yeah, see that it mumbles Gore
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for animals, or that’s another
one.
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I’ve not heard that before have.
Now, we’re all hurting me.
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I have not heard that either but
I get it.
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It makes sense cook for her old.
Yeah, it’s like this whole your
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own blog.
That is my penis like the top.
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I mean, because anybody can it’s
not like a walk-in.
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Yeah, or you know, everybody can
do the Ted Levine from Silence
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of the it’s he is he a Pioneer
and Mumble Gore West, tie West
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is Ty West is he is part of the,
you know, Simon Simon Barrett.
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Adam Wingard Swanberg.
AJ, Bowen, the duplass brothers,
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like there.
They all kind of our, you know,
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where a scene.
They were like a movie about
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kind of a deal.
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So it’s an acquired taste.
Not not, you don’t have to like
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it.
Yeah.
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This is a, it’s a found footage
movie which I still like found
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footage.
Movies, fucking relax.
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Everybody currently.
He holds a 63 percent on Rotten
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Tomatoes among critics, but only
47 percent among audiences.
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It seems like people found this
movie to be a little slow.
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That’s surprising.
I thought it would be the
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reverse.
Yeah, I stats.
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I don’t like this.
Where Price is Right?
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And they were like Laura.
What is the price?
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What is the review?
I would fuck it up?
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Yeah, because they they really
launched into the tension kind
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of right away.
Mmm, but but I think I can I
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don’t know.
I’m II.
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They do, but there’s also like
this, they hint at a reveal the
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entire time and there isn’t
really a payoff outside of, you
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know, the Jonestown thing, ya
know, like it’s it.
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I feel like a lot of people were
kind of disappointed with
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myself.
Cause I was one of those ones
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that one of those people that
was disappointed with it when I
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saw it, because I was expecting
something more something
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different.
Maybe, I don’t know this, he
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came off the innkeeper’s doing
this, and you just, I kept
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hoping for some kind of
Supernatural reveal or
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something.
So I don’t mean it’s a Well Done
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film.
I’m not, I need to.
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I actually need to revisit it.
Now that we’re talking about it.
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I think him a movie like this is
the kind of thing that’s never
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going to make everyone happy.
And it reminds me of a movie we
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talked about on a recent episode
called Colonia, which is it
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stars?
Emma Watson and it’s also based
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on very real events.
There.
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Was this Nazi compound in Chile
after WWII, that was basically a
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pedophile cult that Also
doubled, as a torture center for
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the Pinochet regime in this
movie, Colonia is about all of
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that.
And they pretty much hit all the
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facts correctly, but they like
put a story behind it.
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Like that didn’t actually happen
in all the reviews are like
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you’re being really trivial with
this and like acting.
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Like they were disrespecting the
subject matter, by making it
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like basically an Escape movie
sort of.
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And meanwhile is a place that
only Four people escaped from
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the entire like all the decades.
It was open and with this movie.
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I feel like the same thing would
have happened.
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If there would have been some
Supernatural twist at the end,
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people would have been mad that
he was kind of playing with the
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facts around.
What happened at Jonestown when
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it’s already horrifying enough.
Yeah.
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I mean I yeah, I also think that
like the cult scenario thing,
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though is a little Water.
Like this is very specifically
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Jonestown for sure.
But you know, this all will be
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also came after I believe the
hs2, which had a kind of
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Jonestown cult segment.
Yeah.
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And it and there’s already,
there had been like other horror
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movies kind of rolling with
this.
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The Jonestown ask cult story
that, I think it, I mean, I can
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definitely see that because I
don’t know if you know about the
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film that came out a couple
years ago, Haunting of Sharon,
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Tate for it.
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We have a suntan ferrin’s.
Whoo.
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Like so it’s it’s like a
supernatural cult Horror Story
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or exploitation called horse.
I haven’t seen it but it’s got a
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lot of flak because you know,
it’s about the Manson family and
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he’s about Sharon Tate, and
they’re using like, full-on
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proper nouns.
Even in the title.
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So it’s like, you’re going to
get that attention if you’re
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trying to like, because that is
disrespectful for sure.
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Yeah, so got living family
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members and whatever it is,
it’s, yeah, I mean, I wonder how
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many people watch this and I
really didn’t know anything
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about Jonestown.
And we’re just like, this is a
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movie about a scary cults.
You want to see a horror movie
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about a scary cults?
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And I mean, I just wonder if
it’s it more enjoyable.
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If you’ve never heard of
Johnstown before or is it less
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enjoyable?
If you have that in your mind as
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frame of reference, I don’t
know.
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See, I’ve been like I said, I’ve
been researching Jonestown for
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about 6 weeks now.
And that actually made this
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movie way more enjoyable for me
because if you, if, you know,
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Know, a whole lot about
Jonestown, you pick up every
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reference to Jonestown in this
movie.
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And this movie is a beat for
beat re-creation of, when Leo,
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Ryan went to Jonestown and got
assassinated.
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It’s just they tweak like who’s
going and why.
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But the sequence of events and
we’ll go through it.
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It’s, it’s pretty spot-on for
how that visit to Jonestown went
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and It ended a lot of the
characters are references to
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people that were at Jonestown.
Yeah, and it’s really a kind of
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a faithful recreation in that
way but it just leaves out all
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the CIA stuff which most
accounts of Jonestown leave out
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which is insane because if you
like MKUltra was a thing and
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there’s a lot of evidence that
points to Jonestown just being
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an extension of that because
once A Ultra was found out.
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They couldn’t keep doing it at
hospitals in colleges.
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So you move it to fucking Cults
and communes where no one’s
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watching.
Exactly.
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I Concur and like, I don’t know,
I think, but to me, it was like,
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taking it and put it in this
modern time frame.
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It did sort of put me off a bit
a bit to have it as be as
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impactful because like, I mean,
we’ll talk, we can talk about
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this later.
But you know, it’s like in the
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70s, there was a lot more.
I think, and sense of impending
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doom and the culture of violence
around it.
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With leaders, like he mentioned,
I will talk about later but MLK
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and all these other leaders, but
I’m like, there’s something
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about setting the 70s where it’s
like, I don’t know.
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It doesn’t have the same amount
of weight to do it now with, but
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we’ll get it to the later.
Sorry.
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But yeah, just like I almost
wish it was in the 70s and
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stuff.
That’s just my criticism.
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Yeah.
But anyway, then we wouldn’t
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have this awesome opening music.
Yeah, the opening music, this I
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used Shazam for the first time
in my entire life, because I’ve
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heard the song that plays.
As over the opening credits so
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many times and I love it and
I’ve never known who sings it,
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or what it’s called and it’s
called heartbeats by the knife.
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People forget about the knife.
Go Danny.
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Yeah, it’s really good.
I liked it.
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The thing was that I did feel is
appropriate because it’s like a
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vise crew and I thought that was
fitting but I really just like
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these guys as characters.
I’m not interested in any of
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them.
I don’t like that.
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I don’t like making it Vice
makes it seem obnoxious and then
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I’m also like I’m also judging
it by to these guys really seem
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like Vice report.
I don’t know.
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And then everything I say
everything they say, I’m like,
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is that a thing of ice reporter
would say I’m like, I don’t know
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that’s often.
I think that the the people the
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hang up that most people have
with a lot of Mumble Gore stuff
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is that the characters are you
know, they’re like that, you
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know mid mid ayats to early
2010’s hipster, douche bag type
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guys like, you know there that
their Vice reporter.
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Type people.
They’re like, and it’s always
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supposed to be kind of a send-up
of them.
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But it’s also sort of like, you
know, I feel like these dudes
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are really like this like these
these people in this.
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See, I think that turns a lot of
people off and I feel like that
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also kind of maybe it hasn’t
aged so well because it’s
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fucking Vice one thing I saw
invites enough.
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It was vice because I have such
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a connection to the idea that
the CIA was involved in.
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Down sound.
And I’ve always kind of thought
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Vice was a wing of the CIA like
they get access to places.
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People should not fucking get
access to without CIA helped and
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also who calls having fun Vice
except cops.
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It’s true.
It’s very true.
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I was like, I was like, I don’t
think they sound enough like
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Vice reporters.
I thought they sounded too bland
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to melt those like regular.
They said, it’s how much like
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regular reported then I was
like, but then I’m like, oh if
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they sounded too much like Vice
reporters, you would Say they’re
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doing a satire of ice, or
they’re making fun of it.
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Yeah, and then Vice probably
wouldn’t want to be involved.
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Well, I would just let it would
seem silly like a silly Saturn,
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but then I was just like these
guy.
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I don’t know, like, all of their
sort of in things, didn’t make
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sense to me, didn’t really fit.
They’re like, look a bins shoes.
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They look stupid Bender from New
York.
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Can’t you get a pair of hiking
boots or something?
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I was like, what the fuck?
It’s the what?
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Yeah.
I jokes were bad.
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I don’t know.
Also, not a problem with found
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footage sometimes too, though.
Well, yeah, we need the little,
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we need the little slices of
quote.
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It in an actual dialogue and
then you know, like it needs to
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feel real but then you get these
people that don’t know what real
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is, well sometimes, but speaking
of that, one thing I saw pointed
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out that I do think makes a
little sense is framing it
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around.
It being a vice documentary kind
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of fixes.
One of those questions people
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have about found footage movies
sometimes which is, well, if
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this was just a person carrying
a fucking camera around, why is
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it look so good?
Yeah, and if they’re there to
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film a vice documentary, That
did it at least answers.
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That question of why does this
look like a professional
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production?
That’s always, that’s always a
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good narrative.
Fix in some footage is when it’s
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like, oh they are a professional
camera crew shooting something
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else.
Yeah.
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Mine is always like time
traveling, aliens.
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They have better cameras than
us.
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So, you know, that’s why it
looks so good.
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Ancient alien theorists people
need to be so judgey.
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I did liked it.
They they really blow through
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the set.
In the beginning pretty fast and
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I appreciated that.
I thought that looked like
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that’s how I assume Vice would
set up a situation like this
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like three guys.
I hate pretending to be more
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scared than they are but this
whole setup like is interesting
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because we talked about it,
which is this guy Patrick is a
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photographer.
He gets a letter from his
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junkie.
Like his ex-junkie sister and
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she’s like, so I’m living in
this drug, free community called
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Eden parish.
And like, you know, that is kind
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of a situation that did happen
to a lot of people at Johnstown.
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They would get letters from
their family or whatever that
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they were involved with the
church after they’ve been a
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drugs because it’s the 70s.
And by that point, you know, a
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lot of people were suffering the
ill effects of doing too much
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acid for years, you know, you’re
really starting to see that but
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I was like, all right.
This is I’m like that checks out
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to me.
That sounds like very Jonestown
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Jewish.
I believe it.
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Okay.
Cool.
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Eat and Parish isn’t goofy.
Sounding sounds realistic, you
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know, and it’s a remote part of
the world.
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I don’t know why they
specifically chose that but
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okay.
Well because they’re not making
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specific.
Is to Jonestown, but Jonestown
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was in a remote part of the
world.
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It wasn’t?
Yeah, but they don’t just say,
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like, stand guy on America or
Central America or yeah, I
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wonder if that was a Legal
Financial and Michigan.
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Yeah, your mom’s house.
Whatever, you know, whatever 40
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miles outside Omaha, Nebraska.
I wanted the gel in it.
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The longitude and latitude of
that place.
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I wanted the GPS coordinate.
I wonder if that was a legal
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thing like, yeah, you probably
have to pay.
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Pay for the rights to make a
Jonestown movie.
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Yeah, I don’t know.
It’s hard to like that’s the
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thing.
I was talking about this with
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someone than today, but they’re
a medieval movies like a
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medieval zap just the proper
noun name of a place.
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So like nobody owns that.
So that’s why there are like 20
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movies with the word Amityville
in the title that aren’t related
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of any way to each other.
Yes, because you can just put
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that name on there.
So I imagine maybe you can just
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put Jones to L do, but they
didn’t it.
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Yeah.
Yeah, they Because I feel like
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this movie.
What if somebody’s name, like,
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it’s and it’s animal place but
it’s the because of the guy.
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And they talked about at least
I’ve seen it mentioned that this
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is Ty West’s most mainstream
movie and I.
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Yeah, I kind of agree with that.
And I think it would have been
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more mainstream if it was just
called Jonestown.
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I think that’s the other thing
about the reception of it is
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that you see you texted me
saying that you thought it was
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underrated.
And I’m like, I think it’s rated
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about where it deserves to be.
Is it because I feel like you
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know, there are there are the
reception is mixed.
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It’s very mixed.
It’s that like some people that
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are, you know, this is Ty
West’s, you know, I don’t want
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to say sell out but like it’s
his most mainstream movie.
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It’s is most unlike his previous
films and then there’s but it’s
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also like not I think mainstream
enough for a lot of mainstream
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horror audiences who are looking
for like, you know something
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else.
Yeah.
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Yeah and and they get they get
You know this Mumble Gore stuff
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that’s honestly in a lot of
ways.
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Pretty quiet.
I don’t want to say slow, but
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it’s like deliberately paste.
It does get into the tension
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right away, but it doesn’t do a
lot of paying off things until
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the end.
And so I think that’s an issue
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with with people’s reception of
it too.
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And see that’s the thing.
I think that’s a product of how
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faithful he’s being to the
sequence of events at Jonestown.
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Because what happens when they
first get there, Air is what
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happened, with Leo Ryan, in that
the people of Jonestown, we’re
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going way out of their way to
make it seem like everything was
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perfect and normal.
And, like, in this movie.
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There’s that scene where they
have like the big party with the
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music and that all happened.
It was probably the only time
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the people at Jonestown eight
regular food and even the part
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where he starts to, like, come
around and is feeling like, oh,
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maybe this is okay.
Maybe it’s fine.
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Okay, like now during during
that visit to Jonestown, when
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they put on that presentation at
the end, Leo Ryan got on stage
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and was like, you know, this
looks perfectly normal to me.
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Like, it seems like everything’s
fine.
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Like they almost got away with
convincingly.
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Orion a guy who if you look into
his background went undercover
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in San Quentin as a prisoner to
investigate reports of Eruption
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00:23:31,000 –> 00:23:35,400
by the guards, like didn’t tell
anyone he was a congressman just
432
00:23:35,400 –> 00:23:39,700
had went to San Quentin for two
weeks like this dude went and
433
00:23:39,700 –> 00:23:41,600
did shit.
And like if they could have
434
00:23:41,600 –> 00:23:44,900
come, if they could have
convinced him that everything
435
00:23:44,900 –> 00:23:47,400
was fine at Jonestown.
That shit, would probably still
436
00:23:47,400 –> 00:24:00,500
be running a hotel now.
Well, I mean, yeah, there are
437
00:24:01,100 –> 00:24:03,800
The arm, what is it on that
called?
438
00:24:03,800 –> 00:24:05,600
They’re still around in
Australia desert.
439
00:24:05,600 –> 00:24:06,900
Okay.
Yeah, I mean they’re almost
440
00:24:06,900 –> 00:24:09,300
pounds hockey.
Team won, the Stanley Cup last
441
00:24:09,300 –> 00:24:10,400
year.
Yeah.
442
00:24:10,700 –> 00:24:12,300
Yeah, they run ins hands
pretzels.
443
00:24:12,300 –> 00:24:17,000
Now, they’re all those Monsanto
gonna know it sounds ridiculous.
444
00:24:17,000 –> 00:24:20,000
But I mean, it is a situation
where they had to like a
445
00:24:20,000 –> 00:24:22,100
congressman who was the
smartest, dude guy come and
446
00:24:22,100 –> 00:24:24,800
check them out and whatever.
And it turned out to be fine.
447
00:24:25,100 –> 00:24:27,800
I don’t know.
I mean, they’re the, we won’t,
448
00:24:27,800 –> 00:24:30,300
we don’t what we’re missing out
because it’s not, you know.
449
00:24:30,800 –> 00:24:33,500
You know, strict historical
timeline is, I don’t know.
450
00:24:33,500 –> 00:24:35,500
I think there would be more
sense of danger because
451
00:24:35,500 –> 00:24:38,200
Jonestown had to move different
locations and stuff like that,
452
00:24:38,200 –> 00:24:40,400
previous to that.
We don’t really hear that in
453
00:24:40,400 –> 00:24:42,700
this film.
We don’t hear like, oh, yeah, we
454
00:24:42,700 –> 00:24:44,300
were living here.
And then we moved here and then
455
00:24:44,300 –> 00:24:45,900
we’re now we’re here in the
woods now.
456
00:24:46,100 –> 00:24:49,700
So they kind of I don’t know.
It’s a little isolated to just
457
00:24:49,700 –> 00:24:53,800
that visit, so we don’t get much
backstory of the anyone doesn’t
458
00:24:53,800 –> 00:24:56,500
they don’t feel that in or how
long they’ve been members, or
459
00:24:56,800 –> 00:24:58,600
yeah, changes, you know, you see
the nail.
460
00:24:58,600 –> 00:25:00,500
So I mean it’s a little thin on
that.
461
00:25:00,700 –> 00:25:03,700
But that’s fine.
Yeah, I think he’s relying on
462
00:25:03,700 –> 00:25:07,800
people to know all that other
stuff and that yeah, I mean that
463
00:25:07,800 –> 00:25:09,700
could be why it’s not called
Jonestown.
464
00:25:09,700 –> 00:25:11,000
I don’t know.
Yeah.
465
00:25:11,200 –> 00:25:14,300
Well, I think that that’s again.
I think it’s one of those things
466
00:25:14,300 –> 00:25:18,800
where if you want to make it
more specific without doing like
467
00:25:18,800 –> 00:25:23,600
a straight horror thing with it.
You kind of can’t call it jumps.
468
00:25:24,200 –> 00:25:27,900
Yeah, like you kind of like it’s
that weird thing where you can
469
00:25:27,900 –> 00:25:32,200
get right up to the you know,
like details, but you can’t go
470
00:25:32,200 –> 00:25:33,700
all the way with it.
Yeah.
471
00:25:33,700 –> 00:25:34,900
I don’t know.
I was missing out on the
472
00:25:34,908 –> 00:25:36,900
beatings.
I wanted to see some beating
473
00:25:37,000 –> 00:25:39,000
like Sam happened.
Yeah, that would have been
474
00:25:39,000 –> 00:25:41,900
scary.
Have you ever heard the audio of
475
00:25:42,000 –> 00:25:44,400
Jim Jones?
Overseeing those beatings.
476
00:25:44,500 –> 00:25:48,000
And his fucking laugh.
It’s terrifying.
477
00:26:01,200 –> 00:26:04,200
I want to do a Jones again.
I was just thinking of making it
478
00:26:04,200 –> 00:26:07,500
a chance to Jim Jones doll where
you have the pull-string.
479
00:26:07,500 –> 00:26:13,700
And I think what a monster.
I can’t sleep without it.
480
00:26:15,400 –> 00:26:19,200
Exactly.
Lord Almighty one thing.
481
00:26:19,200 –> 00:26:21,800
They do get very wrong in this
movie.
482
00:26:21,900 –> 00:26:26,700
Is they pretend like Jonestown
was an integrated place.
483
00:26:27,000 –> 00:26:30,400
That’s one of the images.
I think we still put out.
484
00:26:30,500 –> 00:26:32,700
Out about Jonestown is that
listen?
485
00:26:32,700 –> 00:26:37,300
This guy was all about social
justice in moving black people
486
00:26:37,300 –> 00:26:40,400
forward.
Jim Jones was a fucking racist.
487
00:26:40,600 –> 00:26:44,800
He was a super duper racist.
He was a con man.
488
00:26:45,100 –> 00:26:49,400
When he got people to Jonestown,
the white people were in charge.
489
00:26:49,400 –> 00:26:51,400
They’re the ones who got the
send letters home.
490
00:26:51,600 –> 00:26:54,800
So they could form the official
Narrative of what they wanted
491
00:26:54,800 –> 00:26:56,500
people to think was happening
in.
492
00:26:56,500 –> 00:26:58,300
Meanwhile, when black people got
there.
493
00:26:58,300 –> 00:27:03,000
They were handcuffed gagged.
Basically forced into slavery.
494
00:27:03,100 –> 00:27:04,900
Well, I got to ask you, is it
ethical?
495
00:27:04,900 –> 00:27:08,800
Is it racially just to take all
of the Social Security checks of
496
00:27:08,800 –> 00:27:11,900
a bunch of elderly black people.
Is that doesn’t that make you a
497
00:27:11,908 –> 00:27:13,400
hero?
I don’t think so.
498
00:27:13,600 –> 00:27:16,600
Yeah, it’s even with even
without that just to me that he
499
00:27:16,600 –> 00:27:20,100
took all of the finances of a
group of like, you know, very
500
00:27:20,100 –> 00:27:23,900
vulnerable elderly people who
are not of A different race than
501
00:27:23,900 –> 00:27:26,200
him as a white man.
Just oh I took the I took all
502
00:27:26,200 –> 00:27:27,900
the life savings, a bunch of old
black people.
503
00:27:27,900 –> 00:27:30,100
I’m like that doesn’t won’t
correct either.
504
00:27:30,500 –> 00:27:33,500
The other problem with a
Jonestown movie is everyone
505
00:27:33,500 –> 00:27:37,300
wants to focus on what happened
at the end.
506
00:27:37,500 –> 00:27:42,300
But everything leading up to.
What happened in Guyana is very
507
00:27:42,300 –> 00:27:45,400
suspicious in, right?
Yeah, and I thought you make the
508
00:27:45,400 –> 00:27:47,000
points.
I was really going to say that
509
00:27:47,000 –> 00:27:49,500
that was what I was saying is
Jim Jones did many horrific
510
00:27:49,500 –> 00:27:51,600
things before they even got
there.
511
00:27:51,600 –> 00:27:54,500
Did that suicide, the beatings,
the manipulation of financial
512
00:27:54,500 –> 00:27:56,700
stuff.
They labor exploitation sleeping
513
00:27:56,700 –> 00:28:00,000
with people in the church and
won’t beating the shit out of
514
00:28:00,000 –> 00:28:01,000
them.
So you got A lot of that was
515
00:28:01,000 –> 00:28:03,900
very scary.
Even the way they got those
516
00:28:04,200 –> 00:28:07,200
checks from because it’s not
just senior citizens.
517
00:28:07,200 –> 00:28:10,900
What happened is at one point.
Jim Jones, managed to get
518
00:28:10,900 –> 00:28:17,100
himself appointed to a job in
San Francisco that allowed him
519
00:28:17,100 –> 00:28:20,800
to hire people to work in
California, welfare offices.
520
00:28:21,200 –> 00:28:25,200
And what he did is put a bunch
of peoples, Temple members
521
00:28:25,400 –> 00:28:28,900
working in these welfare offices
and they were the recruiters.
522
00:28:29,200 –> 00:28:31,700
He didn’t go out into the
Immunity and try to recruit
523
00:28:31,700 –> 00:28:34,800
people.
He had a very specific Target
524
00:28:34,800 –> 00:28:39,600
and demographic and it was poor
black people and they used
525
00:28:39,600 –> 00:28:44,700
California, welfare offices to
one recruit members and then
526
00:28:44,700 –> 00:28:46,600
they would get them on welfare
and go.
527
00:28:46,700 –> 00:28:49,400
Well, we’re going to give you
this opportunity to live
528
00:28:49,400 –> 00:28:52,200
basically rent free.
So you just sign that over to us
529
00:28:52,600 –> 00:28:56,800
and they made something like 20
grand a month just on that.
530
00:28:57,000 –> 00:29:00,400
They also had, I think 150 or so
kids.
531
00:29:00,700 –> 00:29:04,300
That were Wards of the state in
California and California.
532
00:29:04,300 –> 00:29:09,300
Just gave them those kids to
take over as legal Guardians and
533
00:29:09,300 –> 00:29:12,300
they moved most of those kids to
Guyana crazy.
534
00:29:12,500 –> 00:29:13,800
Well, that’s and that’s the
thing.
535
00:29:13,800 –> 00:29:16,500
Another thing, another reason.
Why one?
536
00:29:16,500 –> 00:29:19,400
Why they can’t call it Jones.
Yeah, like why they can’t use
537
00:29:19,400 –> 00:29:21,800
the name Jose down?
Because then in have to be they
538
00:29:21,800 –> 00:29:24,400
have to they have to have those
things in the movie.
539
00:29:24,400 –> 00:29:27,600
She owns Town should be a
franchise and you can’t.
540
00:29:27,600 –> 00:29:29,000
Yeah that.
Oh, man.
541
00:29:29,300 –> 00:29:31,800
It shouldn’t John’s.
Jim Jones in a red and green
542
00:29:31,800 –> 00:29:33,800
sweater coming here.
Come here.
543
00:29:34,900 –> 00:29:37,800
Exactly.
Yeah, there’s which actually,
544
00:29:37,800 –> 00:29:40,800
there is kind of a movie like
that called bad dreams which is
545
00:29:41,500 –> 00:29:45,400
which was an 80s attempt at
doing like a Freddy Krueger
546
00:29:45,400 –> 00:30:00,600
knock off style horror movie.
Oh boy with Richard Pryor not He
547
00:30:00,600 –> 00:30:04,300
plays this cult later and it’s
kind of like a Jim Jones meets
548
00:30:04,300 –> 00:30:05,900
Freddy Krueger thing.
Hmm.
549
00:30:05,900 –> 00:30:07,700
Richard Battlestar, I think, is
he?
550
00:30:07,800 –> 00:30:10,500
Yeah, that’s it.
His Richard Walter?
551
00:30:13,300 –> 00:30:14,800
Yeah.
No, it’s very realistic.
552
00:30:17,100 –> 00:30:21,200
But I think that if you want the
movie to be like a thriller, you
553
00:30:21,200 –> 00:30:24,500
have to have like a reveal and
like there has to be that moment
554
00:30:24,500 –> 00:30:28,400
where this guy where Patrick is
coming around to it, you know.
555
00:30:28,400 –> 00:30:31,300
Yeah, that’s not gonna happen.
If some of these things are
556
00:30:31,300 –> 00:30:32,800
going on.
Like, if Patrick comes there and
557
00:30:32,800 –> 00:30:36,600
like the first thing they see is
like, active racial segregation
558
00:30:36,600 –> 00:30:38,700
going on and then, like his
sister’s like, oh, yeah, they’re
559
00:30:38,700 –> 00:30:40,400
slaves.
Basically.
560
00:30:40,900 –> 00:30:43,800
Then like there’s no chance for
Patrick to come around and be
561
00:30:43,808 –> 00:30:45,300
like, maybe they’re right like
no.
562
00:30:45,300 –> 00:30:48,200
Yeah like oh shit.
There’s there’s slavery and
563
00:30:48,200 –> 00:30:51,000
beatings and we gotta go.
Yeah.
564
00:30:51,000 –> 00:30:53,900
If the guy was like, oh, I left
my camera and it recorded this
565
00:30:53,900 –> 00:30:56,200
thing that I didn’t mean it to
work or something.
566
00:30:56,200 –> 00:31:00,300
These don’t getting beat up, but
I guess there’s some dread where
567
00:31:00,300 –> 00:31:03,600
the You’re like, oh, I hope this
guy gets a sister out of here,
568
00:31:03,800 –> 00:31:07,000
but I’m pretty much thinking
he’s not going to get a sister
569
00:31:07,000 –> 00:31:08,600
at it.
I’m never like, really being
570
00:31:08,600 –> 00:31:11,500
like, oh, I bet everyone’s gonna
escape and they’ll all be fine.
571
00:31:11,600 –> 00:31:14,700
Yeah, but most people don’t get
out of Jonestown.
572
00:31:15,000 –> 00:31:19,700
And if you I’m telling you,
Jonestown better go, if you look
573
00:31:19,700 –> 00:31:23,300
into some of those survivors,
especially Deborah late and who
574
00:31:23,300 –> 00:31:26,900
were going to talk about later?
Deborah Leighton was like Jim
575
00:31:26,900 –> 00:31:31,200
Jones, right hand and then at
the last minute, she He defected
576
00:31:31,200 –> 00:31:33,500
and was like, oh my God, I’m
such a victim.
577
00:31:33,700 –> 00:31:36,300
It’s like no, you did it.
You fucking did it?
578
00:31:36,300 –> 00:31:37,200
Yeah.
Yeah.
579
00:31:37,200 –> 00:31:39,500
Buddy abetting.
But um, yeah, so they do, show a
580
00:31:39,500 –> 00:31:41,500
lot of kids around a lot of
black kid.
581
00:31:41,500 –> 00:31:42,700
Yeah.
That’s some white kids.
582
00:31:43,000 –> 00:31:45,700
And yeah, there were a lot of
people in Jump, people who got
583
00:31:45,700 –> 00:31:47,600
into Jones died, were of
childbearing age.
584
00:31:47,600 –> 00:31:49,800
A lot of them had their kids,
which they brought with them and
585
00:31:49,800 –> 00:31:53,200
traveled with the colt and I do.
And then Jim Jones had several
586
00:31:53,200 –> 00:31:57,000
kids to he adopted a bunch of
kids to make the kids.
587
00:31:57,000 –> 00:32:00,100
That’s make his message seemed
authentic.
588
00:32:00,100 –> 00:32:01,900
Yeah.
He adopted some non white kids
589
00:32:01,900 –> 00:32:05,500
to make it seem like he was the
real deal and some of his kids
590
00:32:05,500 –> 00:32:06,700
survived, right?
Yeah.
591
00:32:06,700 –> 00:32:07,800
Yeah.
Some of them are still alive.
592
00:32:08,000 –> 00:32:09,600
They weren’t around.
They weren’t late.
593
00:32:09,600 –> 00:32:11,700
They weren’t on the side.
So I love that.
594
00:32:11,900 –> 00:32:16,700
He has a natural born, son named
Steven, and an adopted black
595
00:32:16,700 –> 00:32:21,000
son, named Jim Jones jr.
Fucking interface.
596
00:32:21,000 –> 00:32:22,800
Steven.
Fuck you.
597
00:32:25,100 –> 00:32:27,800
What did you think of the actor
who played Jim Jones?
598
00:32:27,800 –> 00:32:30,300
I thought he was fucking He’s
incredible and isn’t.
599
00:32:30,400 –> 00:32:32,200
He’s like the best thing in the
movie.
600
00:32:32,200 –> 00:32:36,400
His name is Jean Jones G.
Just fantastic.
601
00:32:36,500 –> 00:32:39,300
Well, you’re the little bit much
of her career outside of this.
602
00:32:39,300 –> 00:32:41,300
Yeah.
He’s the, he’s the guy in the
603
00:32:41,300 –> 00:32:44,700
coin toss scene, and No, Country
for Old Men.
604
00:32:45,000 –> 00:32:46,800
Mmm.
I’m glad, I’m really glad you
605
00:32:46,800 –> 00:32:50,000
recording me weakly to that.
I was like, oh, yes, he is.
606
00:32:50,000 –> 00:32:53,300
But updated, there is a bit of a
difference where I find that I
607
00:32:53,300 –> 00:32:55,000
loved his performance.
I think his performances
608
00:32:55,000 –> 00:32:58,000
Stellar.
It’s really spellbinding, but I
609
00:32:58,000 –> 00:33:00,800
do feel a little bit for him
because he does seem Like
610
00:33:00,800 –> 00:33:05,000
physically, he does seem like an
old man who is weak.
611
00:33:05,000 –> 00:33:07,900
And I know that Jim Jones was,
like, suffering from a lot of
612
00:33:07,900 –> 00:33:10,200
effects of drugs and drug
addiction, whatever.
613
00:33:10,200 –> 00:33:15,100
But Jim Jones to me is like a
scary kind of serpentine
614
00:33:15,300 –> 00:33:19,700
sweating, man, who seems like he
could beat the fuck out of you.
615
00:33:19,700 –> 00:33:21,200
And I’m not as scared at this
guy.
616
00:33:21,300 –> 00:33:24,600
Well, that, I think that’s one
of the things I dislike about
617
00:33:24,600 –> 00:33:28,000
this movie.
I actually read a quote from TY
618
00:33:28,000 –> 00:33:30,700
West, which I’m not going to
quote verbatim, but I will
619
00:33:30,700 –> 00:33:35,400
paraphrase it where he basically
said he wanted to portray Jim
620
00:33:35,400 –> 00:33:40,900
Jones as someone who had good
intentions, but was driven to
621
00:33:40,900 –> 00:33:45,900
Bad by his paranoia and I think
that’s why this character comes
622
00:33:45,900 –> 00:33:48,300
off that way.
And that’s so inaccurate.
623
00:33:48,300 –> 00:33:52,700
Jim Jones never had good
intentions like hero was Hitler.
624
00:33:52,700 –> 00:33:57,300
Yeah, this alized Hitler.
This was a genocide program that
625
00:33:57,400 –> 00:34:00,300
I didn’t like that.
He wanted to portray Jim.
626
00:34:00,500 –> 00:34:03,400
Is that way because that like,
you don’t even have to dig into
627
00:34:03,400 –> 00:34:09,000
the CIA Theory to know that Jim
Jones was not genuinely socially
628
00:34:09,000 –> 00:34:14,400
Progressive know, he was Vain
and disgusting and depraved and
629
00:34:14,400 –> 00:34:17,699
exploitative and slimy, and
Sleazy.
630
00:34:17,699 –> 00:34:22,500
And just like a nasty gross guy.
Who is like, living, like, high
631
00:34:22,500 –> 00:34:26,400
off the hog High out of his
mind, rattled on all kinds of
632
00:34:26,400 –> 00:34:27,900
drugs, you know.
Yeah.
633
00:34:27,900 –> 00:34:30,199
And just generally a psychopath
who worshiped him.
634
00:34:30,400 –> 00:34:33,699
Slur and used to sell monkeys.
There’s a fuck.
635
00:34:34,300 –> 00:34:37,500
There’s a thing that happens in
the interview that is another
636
00:34:37,699 –> 00:34:42,600
nod to the actual Jim Jones,
which is take real dialogue from
637
00:34:42,600 –> 00:34:44,600
Jim Jones.
Is there any light is a know?
638
00:34:44,600 –> 00:34:48,600
It sounds like it’s not real
dialogue, but there are moments
639
00:34:48,600 –> 00:34:52,500
that are like actually.
None of the moments are exactly
640
00:34:52,500 –> 00:34:55,500
as they happened.
It’s just the sequence of events
641
00:34:55,500 –> 00:34:59,100
like the thing where when
they’re trying to leave and
642
00:34:59,100 –> 00:35:02,300
someone pulls a knife.
One of the journalists that
643
00:35:02,300 –> 00:35:06,000
happened but it was one of the
White Temple members.
644
00:35:06,000 –> 00:35:08,300
It wasn’t a black security
guard.
645
00:35:08,500 –> 00:35:10,600
So Ty rest is racist.
Yes.
646
00:35:10,600 –> 00:35:11,600
Yes.
Absolutely.
647
00:35:11,900 –> 00:35:15,400
Good to know.
I mean, he’s from Connecticut,
648
00:35:15,400 –> 00:35:17,800
right?
So, or is it tell where I can
649
00:35:17,800 –> 00:35:22,600
never repay, but the part where
I’m aware, he’s from Delaware
650
00:35:22,600 –> 00:35:25,000
the part where they’re
interviewing Father, which is
651
00:35:25,000 –> 00:35:27,100
what we haven’t even mentioned.
That’s what the Jim Jones
652
00:35:27,100 –> 00:35:29,600
character is called in.
This is just father the part
653
00:35:29,600 –> 00:35:33,000
where they’re Ewing him and he
out of the blue mentions.
654
00:35:33,100 –> 00:35:36,000
The interviewers pregnant wife.
Hmm.
655
00:35:36,100 –> 00:35:39,400
That’s a thing.
People always said about Jim
656
00:35:39,400 –> 00:35:43,600
Jones, was that it seemed like
the minute he started talking to
657
00:35:43,600 –> 00:35:46,100
you.
He knew everything about you.
658
00:35:46,200 –> 00:35:47,800
It’s the best scene in the
movie, the scene where they
659
00:35:47,800 –> 00:35:49,800
talked to Father, father, really
gets to shine.
660
00:35:49,800 –> 00:35:53,600
And he without saying a lot of
specific ahl’s does really lay
661
00:35:53,600 –> 00:35:56,400
out a case that you know, a
reasonable person could find
662
00:35:56,400 –> 00:35:59,300
very compelling and I really
give them credit and that scene
663
00:35:59,300 –> 00:36:02,500
alone is worth the Yeah, I think
they really make it very clear.
664
00:36:02,500 –> 00:36:04,600
Like, you know, these guys are
journalists and what a
665
00:36:04,600 –> 00:36:07,500
journalist do they look for the
negative and they’re only there
666
00:36:07,500 –> 00:36:11,000
to spin a story and to make them
look that and exploit them and
667
00:36:11,000 –> 00:36:14,500
mock them?
And it’s I mean, I can’t say
668
00:36:14,500 –> 00:36:16,000
that.
That’s not what the media does
669
00:36:16,000 –> 00:36:17,400
to people.
Yeah.
670
00:36:17,400 –> 00:36:20,500
I can’t, I can’t be like, no,
you’re totally incorrect that
671
00:36:20,500 –> 00:36:22,400
never happens.
It’s like well, yes, that is.
672
00:36:22,400 –> 00:36:25,500
Yeah, fairly true.
And does vice make fun of the
673
00:36:25,500 –> 00:36:29,000
people that it covers kind to an
extent.
674
00:36:29,000 –> 00:36:31,900
It leaves the door open.
In for them to look foolish, you
675
00:36:31,900 –> 00:36:33,400
know.
Yeah, it’s not that it doesn’t
676
00:36:33,400 –> 00:36:35,600
want people to look foolish to a
degree.
677
00:36:35,700 –> 00:36:39,300
It’s focusing on them because it
does want to focus on people who
678
00:36:39,300 –> 00:36:40,300
are foolish.
I don’t know.
679
00:36:40,400 –> 00:36:42,700
They sure interview a lot of
conspiracy theorists.
680
00:36:42,700 –> 00:36:45,900
Nothing weird about that.
No, they really want to make
681
00:36:45,900 –> 00:36:49,200
those people look silly.
Why would anyone have a problem
682
00:36:49,200 –> 00:36:53,900
with that ice is the government.
So they have the whole truth.
683
00:36:54,000 –> 00:36:54,900
Thank you.
I can’t say.
684
00:36:54,900 –> 00:36:57,200
No.
I thought the whole interview
685
00:36:57,200 –> 00:37:01,700
seen like the him walking in the
You the fucking party
686
00:37:01,700 –> 00:37:04,100
afterwards.
I thought, all of that was
687
00:37:04,100 –> 00:37:05,800
great.
I thought that was very
688
00:37:05,800 –> 00:37:07,200
entertaining.
Yeah.
689
00:37:07,500 –> 00:37:09,100
Up to that point.
I had been like, this is kind of
690
00:37:09,100 –> 00:37:11,000
trash.
I’m just waiting to get to some,
691
00:37:11,000 –> 00:37:14,100
you know, drinky, but that was
good.
692
00:37:14,100 –> 00:37:17,600
I was happy that I was like in
my baby.
693
00:37:17,900 –> 00:37:22,400
They the, the part where it gets
like all of that actually
694
00:37:22,400 –> 00:37:26,900
happened and they do kind of
recreate what happened that
695
00:37:26,900 –> 00:37:30,300
caused all the chaos at
Jonestown, which is someone I
696
00:37:30,308 –> 00:37:34,300
walked up and handed a reporter.
A note that said we want to
697
00:37:34,300 –> 00:37:39,300
leave like up to that point,
Leo, Ryan’s whole delegation was
698
00:37:39,300 –> 00:37:42,100
like, this is fine.
Like there’s nothing happening
699
00:37:42,100 –> 00:37:45,100
here.
And as depicted in the movie,
700
00:37:45,100 –> 00:37:48,100
that’s how it happened.
One person handed them a note
701
00:37:48,200 –> 00:37:50,300
and shit just went off the
rails.
702
00:37:50,600 –> 00:37:53,100
Yeah, and they were there even
longer, correct.
703
00:37:53,200 –> 00:37:55,700
They were there overnight?
Well, in the movie, too, they
704
00:37:55,700 –> 00:37:56,400
end up.
Sorry.
705
00:37:56,400 –> 00:37:57,700
Yeah.
I mean, we arrived Leo.
706
00:37:57,700 –> 00:38:00,200
Ryan was actually there for much
longer it.
707
00:38:00,500 –> 00:38:02,700
Where we see where they’re kind
of duped in a couple hours.
708
00:38:02,700 –> 00:38:05,900
If you can imagine that
deception played out over even
709
00:38:05,900 –> 00:38:07,900
more days.
So even weirder.
710
00:38:08,100 –> 00:38:11,700
Yeah.
Well, yeah and the this is the
711
00:38:11,700 –> 00:38:16,400
point where I realized the
sister name’s Caroline, I
712
00:38:16,400 –> 00:38:19,900
believe, or Carolyn.
Yeah, her and her brother are
713
00:38:19,900 –> 00:38:23,900
based on a family that was very
involved.
714
00:38:23,900 –> 00:38:26,000
In Jonestown called the latent
family.
715
00:38:26,100 –> 00:38:30,200
And I think the sister is
supposed to be Deborah Layton.
716
00:38:30,300 –> 00:38:34,800
Who is she was like, had this
like troubled background, her
717
00:38:34,800 –> 00:38:38,800
family sent her to a boarding
school in England to straighten
718
00:38:38,800 –> 00:38:40,700
her out.
She meets a guy named Phil
719
00:38:40,700 –> 00:38:43,500
Blakey there.
They moved back to the United
720
00:38:43,500 –> 00:38:46,400
States.
He ends up building Jonestown
721
00:38:46,600 –> 00:38:50,800
and she ends up being like the
CFO of Jonestown.
722
00:38:50,800 –> 00:38:54,500
She handled all the money and
then she’s the one who defected
723
00:38:54,500 –> 00:38:58,500
at the last second, the
miscarriages of Jonestown.
724
00:38:58,500 –> 00:38:59,200
Yeah.
Yeah.
725
00:38:59,200 –> 00:39:01,200
Yeah.
Yeah, they To our and it is.
726
00:39:01,400 –> 00:39:03,800
So this was one but another
point where it’s like it’s good
727
00:39:03,800 –> 00:39:06,200
to have that context of the
1960s 1970s.
728
00:39:06,200 –> 00:39:08,100
We’re used to kind of
ridiculing, you know,
729
00:39:08,100 –> 00:39:10,900
trustafarians and all that but
it was really that kind of
730
00:39:10,908 –> 00:39:14,400
phenomenon the 60s 70s where it
was things like teen runaways
731
00:39:14,400 –> 00:39:17,500
drugs, the anti-war movement
people only really got involved
732
00:39:17,500 –> 00:39:20,000
because Rich Kids started
getting involved and they’re
733
00:39:20,000 –> 00:39:22,700
like, oh my God, people are
doing acid because my daughter
734
00:39:22,700 –> 00:39:25,100
dropped out of Radcliffe.
And so we need to pay attention
735
00:39:25,100 –> 00:39:28,700
to this.
So Colts only really got a bad
736
00:39:28,700 –> 00:39:31,500
rap in the press, the Moonies.
What have you Manson family?
737
00:39:31,500 –> 00:39:35,200
Because they were involving
upper middle class or very upper
738
00:39:35,200 –> 00:39:37,800
class white kids.
Yeah, Patty Hearst.
739
00:39:37,900 –> 00:39:38,900
Yeah, Hearst.
Yeah.
740
00:39:38,900 –> 00:39:39,800
Great example.
So that.
741
00:39:39,800 –> 00:39:40,800
Yeah.
In the 70s.
742
00:39:40,800 –> 00:39:45,000
This was a common story of these
troubles, wealthy Youth Gone.
743
00:39:45,000 –> 00:39:49,100
Awry this, this family that he’s
referencing here.
744
00:39:49,100 –> 00:39:53,400
They’re pretty much the Crux of
the conspiracy theory around
745
00:39:53,400 –> 00:39:57,500
Jonestown because there’s two
versions of the story.
746
00:39:57,500 –> 00:40:00,200
There is the publicly accepted
version.
747
00:40:00,300 –> 00:40:03,900
Which is that?
A doctor named Thomas later?
748
00:40:03,900 –> 00:40:05,900
No, not Thomas.
What the fuck is?
749
00:40:05,900 –> 00:40:08,500
Dr. Leighton.
Dr. Leighton will call him dr.
750
00:40:08,500 –> 00:40:09,600
Late.
And I don’t remember his first
751
00:40:09,600 –> 00:40:12,100
name, but the except Tom in the
notes.
752
00:40:12,600 –> 00:40:20,300
Well, Tom is the oldest brother.
Yeah, and but the, the version
753
00:40:20,300 –> 00:40:25,100
of the story that has been told
to the public is that this dr.
754
00:40:25,100 –> 00:40:30,200
Leighton lost his entire family
to Jonestown like all.
755
00:40:30,300 –> 00:40:33,600
All of his sons, all of his
daughters, his wife, his wife
756
00:40:33,600 –> 00:40:36,400
took all his money and gave it
to Jonestown.
757
00:40:36,600 –> 00:40:40,700
And that was the story that came
out immediately after Jonestown,
758
00:40:40,800 –> 00:40:44,400
but if you look into that
family’s background, and I’ve I
759
00:40:44,400 –> 00:40:47,000
said all this on another
Jonestown episode, they’re
760
00:40:47,000 –> 00:40:49,100
Nazis.
Like, dr.
761
00:40:49,100 –> 00:40:51,800
Leighton.
He is one of the people who
762
00:40:51,800 –> 00:40:55,300
helped build the atomic bomb,
like he was on the Manhattan
763
00:40:55,300 –> 00:40:58,000
Project.
He worked for the CIA, his
764
00:40:58,000 –> 00:41:03,400
entire fucking life.
Then this one weird seemingly
765
00:41:03,400 –> 00:41:07,600
CIA involved thing.
That involves his entire family.
766
00:41:07,700 –> 00:41:11,400
He ends up in the middle of and
the theory is that he was
767
00:41:11,400 –> 00:41:15,400
actually the person in charge of
the Jonestown experiment and
768
00:41:15,400 –> 00:41:18,700
that he was like the medical
science behind it.
769
00:41:18,700 –> 00:41:23,000
And Jim Jones was the face of it
and that spiritual religious
770
00:41:23,000 –> 00:41:26,800
face and they had to like, they
couldn’t just pump government
771
00:41:26,800 –> 00:41:30,100
money into something like this.
So it made for a convenient.
772
00:41:30,200 –> 00:41:32,500
Cover story when he was like,
yeah, my fucking wife took
773
00:41:32,500 –> 00:41:34,600
everything, man.
And all my kids who just
774
00:41:34,600 –> 00:41:37,000
happened to be very skilled in.
All the things we needed them to
775
00:41:37,008 –> 00:41:39,900
do at Jonestown.
They just all accidentally ended
776
00:41:39,900 –> 00:41:42,100
up there too.
And they all ended up running
777
00:41:42,100 –> 00:41:45,700
the place and then only one
fucking person, you know, only
778
00:41:45,700 –> 00:41:49,000
one person ever got charged for
anything relating to Jonestown
779
00:41:49,100 –> 00:41:52,500
who with it a black person.
No, it was Larry Layton enough
780
00:41:52,800 –> 00:41:55,200
member of the latent family.
Figure it, if the American
781
00:41:55,200 –> 00:41:57,200
government’s going to arrest one
person for a crime.
782
00:41:57,200 –> 00:42:01,800
It’s going to be a black person
but now Because they could have
783
00:42:01,800 –> 00:42:04,600
hired lawyers, who would have
looked into it more than the
784
00:42:04,600 –> 00:42:06,300
government wanted it looked
into.
785
00:42:06,400 –> 00:42:08,200
Hmm.
So yeah, the only person who was
786
00:42:08,200 –> 00:42:11,100
ever charged was Larry Layton,
another member of the Layton
787
00:42:11,100 –> 00:42:15,800
family, was he charged with he
shot two of the defectors when
788
00:42:15,800 –> 00:42:18,200
they all tried to flee.
It’s like unlawful use of a
789
00:42:18,207 –> 00:42:20,300
fire.
Pretty much.
790
00:42:20,300 –> 00:42:25,600
Yeah.
Yeah, he’s out.
791
00:42:25,600 –> 00:42:27,700
He’s out of prison.
It was a Sunday.
792
00:42:27,700 –> 00:42:31,900
So it’s ordinances against
Wasn’t even when he did that.
793
00:42:31,900 –> 00:42:33,700
It was when he tried to buy a
beer.
794
00:42:34,900 –> 00:42:37,100
Okay, he ran a red light
evading.
795
00:42:37,100 –> 00:42:41,500
The see you got pulled over.
Oh man, the guy.
796
00:42:41,500 –> 00:42:44,300
Yeah, actually, the guy who
bought all the flavor it did
797
00:42:44,300 –> 00:42:47,000
with it expired credit card.
It’s a bad check.
798
00:42:48,800 –> 00:42:49,700
Damn.
That sucks.
799
00:42:50,800 –> 00:42:53,200
Yeah, so I’m going to look at it
too late and some kind of yeah.
800
00:42:53,200 –> 00:42:55,100
Now curious.
It’s At Its core.
801
00:42:55,100 –> 00:42:56,700
Yeah.
It’s very crazy.
802
00:42:56,800 –> 00:42:59,200
It’s very crazy.
But we basically believe that
803
00:42:59,200 –> 00:43:02,600
Patrick sister.
Like the lead lady at this Eden
804
00:43:02,600 –> 00:43:05,900
parish that, she sort of like
father’s right-hand woman.
805
00:43:05,900 –> 00:43:10,200
Is that kind of seems that way
it like I mean if it’s based on
806
00:43:10,200 –> 00:43:13,300
Deborah late and that was
definitely the case, but she’s
807
00:43:13,300 –> 00:43:15,900
sleeping with Jim Jones.
Everyone was sleeping with Jim
808
00:43:15,900 –> 00:43:19,900
Jones, Okay, Jim Jones had sex
with men women, boys.
809
00:43:19,900 –> 00:43:23,600
Girls, fucking animals.
If he had to like Jim Jones was
810
00:43:23,600 –> 00:43:28,400
a why would he have to towns was
a dominator?
811
00:43:28,900 –> 00:43:32,100
Like he would he would do.
Do what ever he needed to do
812
00:43:32,100 –> 00:43:35,500
anything like the person down
and he got arrested this.
813
00:43:35,500 –> 00:43:36,600
Sorry.
This is off topic.
814
00:43:36,600 –> 00:43:41,300
But so in this movie, father, is
not as licentious as Jim Jones
815
00:43:41,300 –> 00:43:44,200
know, there’s a, there’s an
offhanded remark that they
816
00:43:44,200 –> 00:43:47,200
believe they’re like, oh, if
this is the sister fucking this
817
00:43:47,200 –> 00:43:49,800
guy, so we don’t really get much
of that in terms of scary.
818
00:43:49,800 –> 00:43:51,600
Father.
I think it’s alluded to but in
819
00:43:51,600 –> 00:43:55,000
not really an abusive
overarching Sex Fiend.
820
00:43:55,000 –> 00:43:57,100
Sort of way.
Yeah that leave a lot of the
821
00:43:57,100 –> 00:44:00,900
awful stuff about Jim Jones out.
Yeah, father doesn’t Genuinely
822
00:44:00,900 –> 00:44:03,700
awful.
No, he seems paranoid but not
823
00:44:03,700 –> 00:44:05,000
horrible.
Yeah.
824
00:44:05,100 –> 00:44:07,500
Okay.
Yeah, he still had, it’s weird.
825
00:44:07,500 –> 00:44:11,000
Like, you know, Jean Jean Jones
is performance is still kind of
826
00:44:11,000 –> 00:44:14,500
like it’s a heavy performance,
but it’s not, you know, like
827
00:44:14,500 –> 00:44:17,700
there is there’s menace to it.
There’s you can tell it’s, he’s
828
00:44:17,700 –> 00:44:21,400
dangerous.
Yeah, just through the way that
829
00:44:21,400 –> 00:44:24,900
June Jones plays him, but it’s
not, you know, I feel like they
830
00:44:24,900 –> 00:44:29,100
can’t have that performance.
And again, like a all of this
831
00:44:29,100 –> 00:44:31,300
shit that Jim.
It’s really did.
832
00:44:31,300 –> 00:44:33,400
Well, us.
Also, if you think about what
833
00:44:33,400 –> 00:44:37,800
he’s trying to depict here.
It’s the Leo Ryan visit, and
834
00:44:37,900 –> 00:44:41,200
during most of that.
Jim Jones was on his best
835
00:44:41,200 –> 00:44:43,800
behavior because he was trying
to convince the American
836
00:44:43,800 –> 00:44:46,600
government that there was
nothing to worry about.
837
00:44:46,600 –> 00:44:47,700
Yeah.
That’s a good point.
838
00:44:47,700 –> 00:44:49,400
Yeah.
That he is putting on a that
839
00:44:49,400 –> 00:44:52,500
it’s funny to think that like
that is his normal restrained.
840
00:44:52,600 –> 00:44:54,100
And I still think you seems.
Yeah.
841
00:44:54,500 –> 00:44:57,700
Very I don’t know.
Intentionally provocative.
842
00:44:59,700 –> 00:45:01,900
Yeah.
It’s a provocative performance
843
00:45:01,900 –> 00:45:04,200
provokes, a lot of things, but
basically, yeah, so we get the
844
00:45:04,200 –> 00:45:06,200
deal.
So this little girl gives the
845
00:45:06,200 –> 00:45:07,600
dude.
Patrick the note that says,
846
00:45:07,600 –> 00:45:09,200
like, help.
We want to leave.
847
00:45:09,700 –> 00:45:14,400
Yeah, and that, that kind of
sets off all the chaos, and
848
00:45:14,400 –> 00:45:18,600
there’s a lot of references in
those final scenes to stories
849
00:45:18,600 –> 00:45:21,700
that came out from various
survivors.
850
00:45:21,700 –> 00:45:24,300
There’s the scene where a
woman’s holding her baby while
851
00:45:24,300 –> 00:45:27,100
they’re injecting poison into
the baby’s mouth.
852
00:45:27,200 –> 00:45:31,800
That is from one of the lawyers
at at the people’s Temple.
853
00:45:31,900 –> 00:45:33,900
That was his account when he got
home.
854
00:45:33,900 –> 00:45:36,700
Was he during all of that looked
over?
855
00:45:36,900 –> 00:45:41,300
And his wife was just holding
their baby and pumping poison
856
00:45:41,400 –> 00:45:44,400
into his mouth.
That gives Credence to the CIA
857
00:45:44,400 –> 00:45:46,000
Nazi stuff.
Like those are.
858
00:45:46,000 –> 00:45:49,200
That’s the CIA and Nazi shit
right there.
859
00:45:49,200 –> 00:45:51,200
Putting poison in a baby’s mouth
for sure.
860
00:45:51,400 –> 00:45:53,000
Yeah.
Yeah, that it lines up.
861
00:45:53,900 –> 00:45:55,200
What we’re seeing here before
each other.
862
00:45:55,200 –> 00:45:58,700
Tonight is just if, you know the
timeline, which is once they,
863
00:45:58,700 –> 00:46:00,600
once they know that these people
Here.
864
00:46:00,600 –> 00:46:02,300
They feel like they’re going to
be exposed.
865
00:46:02,300 –> 00:46:04,900
The cult setting says that we’re
going to be ridiculed the steps
866
00:46:04,900 –> 00:46:06,300
that they believe they’re going
to take is we’re going to be
867
00:46:06,308 –> 00:46:09,100
exposed in the Press.
We’re going to be ridiculed.
868
00:46:09,100 –> 00:46:12,300
The government will get involved
in government will come down
869
00:46:12,300 –> 00:46:16,900
here and kill us.
All right, so we need to kill
870
00:46:16,900 –> 00:46:20,200
ourselves before this government
intervention.
871
00:46:20,200 –> 00:46:22,200
In genocide takes place,
essentially.
872
00:46:22,400 –> 00:46:25,500
Yeah, and that was kind of the
company line around Jonestown.
873
00:46:25,800 –> 00:46:27,800
Like, is that?
Well, we just killed this
874
00:46:27,800 –> 00:46:29,200
Congressman.
They’re never going to let us
875
00:46:29,200 –> 00:46:31,300
get away with that.
We gotta kill ourselves.
876
00:46:31,300 –> 00:46:33,200
You can’t fire us.
We quit.
877
00:46:33,200 –> 00:46:34,600
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
878
00:46:34,600 –> 00:46:35,700
Yeah, we can’t fire us if we
quit.
879
00:46:35,900 –> 00:46:40,100
So at this in this show and this
movie it is people want to leave
880
00:46:40,700 –> 00:46:42,900
and then the crew starting to
question.
881
00:46:43,200 –> 00:46:46,300
What do you mean they can?
Well, they can leave or that
882
00:46:46,300 –> 00:46:47,400
question comes up.
Can they leave?
883
00:46:47,400 –> 00:46:50,100
Can they not leave?
Yeah, they did a good job of
884
00:46:50,100 –> 00:46:54,500
depicting that moment in
Jonestown because that’s all
885
00:46:54,500 –> 00:46:57,100
caught on video.
Like they were, they brought
886
00:46:57,100 –> 00:47:00,500
cameras with them.
When Leo, Ryan did this, Is it
887
00:47:00,500 –> 00:47:05,400
and those moments where because
in in real life, the person who
888
00:47:05,400 –> 00:47:08,700
hands that reporter, the note,
did it like, right before they
889
00:47:08,700 –> 00:47:12,500
were all getting ready to leave?
Well, yeah, and I do recall that
890
00:47:12,500 –> 00:47:15,500
everything was normal up to that
point and then they get this
891
00:47:15,500 –> 00:47:17,500
note in this reporters.
Like, all right.
892
00:47:17,500 –> 00:47:19,300
Well, now people are telling us,
they want to leave.
893
00:47:19,300 –> 00:47:24,100
So what the fuck’s going on and
it just turns into chaos and
894
00:47:24,100 –> 00:47:28,900
they did a good job.
I think, recreating that tension
895
00:47:28,900 –> 00:47:31,600
here, and that’s it.
Another thing that I do, you
896
00:47:31,600 –> 00:47:34,200
know, this is Jean Jones is
before I can’t, I don’t dislike
897
00:47:34,200 –> 00:47:35,700
this movie.
I never disliked.
898
00:47:35,700 –> 00:47:40,200
It just, it never really gave me
what I wanted from a tie West
899
00:47:40,200 –> 00:47:45,400
movie about this kind of subject
matter, but the chaos, the
900
00:47:45,400 –> 00:47:50,900
climactic sequence is really,
really well handled and very,
901
00:47:51,100 –> 00:47:57,600
very tense and very chaotic and
it it’s it’s ratcheted up and it
902
00:47:57,600 –> 00:48:01,000
really is like it’s a strong if
the strongest The film to me.
903
00:48:01,200 –> 00:48:02,800
Yeah.
Outside of the, the interview
904
00:48:02,800 –> 00:48:04,600
with Jean Jones with the father.
Yeah.
905
00:48:04,600 –> 00:48:10,200
It did a good job showing how
much suffering was involved in
906
00:48:10,200 –> 00:48:12,600
those deaths because I think
people just assume.
907
00:48:12,600 –> 00:48:15,600
Well, they just drank the poison
and passed out and died.
908
00:48:15,600 –> 00:48:18,900
Man.
Know that it was convulsions and
909
00:48:19,100 –> 00:48:21,600
foaming at the mouth and a lot
of pain.
910
00:48:21,900 –> 00:48:26,500
One machine gun fire and
stabbing and yeah.
911
00:48:26,600 –> 00:48:29,700
Yeah, I think that’s one of the
more suspicious things about
912
00:48:30,100 –> 00:48:33,200
Owns town is the body count.
Yep, because when it first came
913
00:48:33,200 –> 00:48:36,800
out, it was like 300 something
and then it eventually got to
914
00:48:36,800 –> 00:48:40,500
900 and then the excuse has
always been well some of the
915
00:48:40,500 –> 00:48:42,200
bodies fell on top of each
other.
916
00:48:42,500 –> 00:48:46,500
So 300 bodies fell on top of 600
bodies covered them.
917
00:48:46,500 –> 00:48:56,600
Yeah, that is way more likely is
hundreds of people tried to flee
918
00:48:56,900 –> 00:48:59,400
and rounded up and brought back
and shot.
919
00:48:59,400 –> 00:49:01,600
Yeah.
Glenn say what they saw people.
920
00:49:01,600 –> 00:49:05,100
Following question.
Would you believe that the 300
921
00:49:05,100 –> 00:49:09,100
on top of the 600 were fatter?
Yeah.
922
00:49:11,700 –> 00:49:14,400
I’m just looking at what you buy
that, what you believe it
923
00:49:14,400 –> 00:49:16,400
because that if you want, I’ll
tell you that.
924
00:49:16,400 –> 00:49:17,800
I’ll just tell you that right
now.
925
00:49:18,300 –> 00:49:22,400
We didn’t count kids at first.
We just figured why I mean,
926
00:49:22,600 –> 00:49:24,500
apparently, it’s the American
government.
927
00:49:24,500 –> 00:49:26,500
They probably didn’t count black
people.
928
00:49:26,700 –> 00:49:28,400
We went by everyone’s voting
records.
929
00:49:28,400 –> 00:49:29,900
That’s a walk.
The first body.
930
00:49:30,100 –> 00:49:32,400
That was 24.
Then they were like, oh, you
931
00:49:32,400 –> 00:49:33,700
want us to count black people
to?
932
00:49:33,700 –> 00:49:34,500
Okay?
Yeah.
933
00:49:34,600 –> 00:49:36,700
Yeah, nine million be it.
Did.
934
00:49:36,800 –> 00:49:39,500
I was genuinely, I felt the
tension, it was a real horror
935
00:49:39,500 –> 00:49:41,800
when people wanted to leave
couldn’t leave even before the
936
00:49:41,800 –> 00:49:45,600
suicide started and then yeah.
Just from the point of having
937
00:49:45,600 –> 00:49:47,800
someone be stabbed.
I mean I felt that there was
938
00:49:47,800 –> 00:49:50,300
like I’m like someone’s gonna
get fucking stance when I was
939
00:49:50,300 –> 00:49:52,900
watching those people.
But yeah, and then you
940
00:49:52,900 –> 00:49:55,200
definitely felt the real
manipulation when he was like
941
00:49:55,200 –> 00:49:57,300
telling them kept yelling at
them basically to drink the
942
00:49:57,300 –> 00:50:00,600
poison.
Yeah, and that’s all This is
943
00:50:00,600 –> 00:50:03,400
really yeah, he’s bucking
manipulating and he’s not just
944
00:50:03,400 –> 00:50:05,700
being like, hey can’t you can
commit suicide now?
945
00:50:05,800 –> 00:50:08,700
He’s telling them like they
fucking have to do it.
946
00:50:08,700 –> 00:50:12,600
There’s no way out.
That’s all from audio that came
947
00:50:12,600 –> 00:50:16,000
out from Jonestown.
Like there’s there’s audio of
948
00:50:16,100 –> 00:50:19,100
that moment in him.
Like, telling moms to not
949
00:50:19,100 –> 00:50:24,300
Comfort their kids, and it’s so
fucking creepy.
950
00:50:24,700 –> 00:50:30,900
Yeah, and they also, there’s the
scene where the mom who wanted
951
00:50:30,900 –> 00:50:35,500
to escape ends up killing her
own kid, so they won’t kill the
952
00:50:35,508 –> 00:50:40,300
kid that’s based on a woman
named Sharon Amos, who the story
953
00:50:40,300 –> 00:50:41,900
is.
She killed her kids first and
954
00:50:41,900 –> 00:50:46,000
then slit her own throat, but
it’s also possible that.
955
00:50:46,000 –> 00:50:48,000
Yes.
She killed her kids to keep them
956
00:50:48,000 –> 00:50:51,200
from being killed, but then
someone slit her throat.
957
00:50:51,700 –> 00:50:54,000
Yeah.
Yeah, the definitely it doesn’t
958
00:50:54,000 –> 00:50:57,200
shy away from showing how
disgusting it is, in that people
959
00:50:57,200 –> 00:50:59,800
did Force elderly, relatives and
force each other.
960
00:51:00,200 –> 00:51:04,100
Drink this poison.
And yeah, and then there was
961
00:51:04,100 –> 00:51:06,000
guys with our there was armed
guards everywhere.
962
00:51:06,200 –> 00:51:09,800
Yeah, and the thing I mentioned
at the beginning, that kind of
963
00:51:09,800 –> 00:51:12,900
tipped me off that tie, West
might have been referencing the
964
00:51:12,900 –> 00:51:16,900
CIA thing a little bit, is the
way the movie ends in the way
965
00:51:16,900 –> 00:51:23,300
they escape, which is the guide
who met them at the beginning,
966
00:51:23,300 –> 00:51:26,500
just out of the blue shoots.
His other partner and is like
967
00:51:26,500 –> 00:51:27,900
I’m burning this place to the
ground.
968
00:51:27,900 –> 00:51:29,800
Get out of here.
Yes.
969
00:51:30,400 –> 00:51:32,400
Why, why are?
Why are you burning?
970
00:51:32,400 –> 00:51:34,600
Why are you burning It To The
Ground?
971
00:51:34,900 –> 00:51:38,400
Why are you protecting these two
Americans by shooting your
972
00:51:38,400 –> 00:51:41,400
partner?
It seriously, that could have
973
00:51:41,408 –> 00:51:42,900
been a reference to that.
I don’t know.
974
00:51:43,000 –> 00:51:43,700
Yeah.
Yeah.
975
00:51:43,800 –> 00:51:47,400
It was Scott Bakula had left
into him.
976
00:51:48,500 –> 00:51:52,300
Yeah, and I’ll said that Ziggy
said that what he had to do was
977
00:51:52,300 –> 00:51:55,200
burn it all to the ground.
Yeah, so that he could leap into
978
00:51:55,200 –> 00:51:56,700
the next cloudy.
I didn’t.
979
00:51:56,700 –> 00:51:58,400
Even think of that.
Yes.
980
00:51:58,400 –> 00:52:01,500
I mean like nobody ever does but
I Guarantee like most of the
981
00:52:01,500 –> 00:52:03,900
stuff that we think we don’t
have an answer for.
982
00:52:04,000 –> 00:52:05,300
That’s it.
That’s what it is.
983
00:52:05,500 –> 00:52:08,700
Yeah, Scott Bakula lept into her
body and had to do this and like
984
00:52:08,800 –> 00:52:11,100
who’s to know, really?
Why are the grand scheme of
985
00:52:11,100 –> 00:52:12,000
things?
That’s Ziggy’s?
986
00:52:12,000 –> 00:52:14,000
Call.
Yeah, you know, that’s not my
987
00:52:14,000 –> 00:52:15,800
business to comment on.
Yeah.
988
00:52:15,800 –> 00:52:19,100
I feel like I want to apologize
for all the spoilers in this but
989
00:52:19,400 –> 00:52:22,200
it’s a movie about Jonestown you
fucking know where it’s going
990
00:52:22,300 –> 00:52:24,500
and get a guess.
And you know, what our heroes
991
00:52:24,500 –> 00:52:26,900
quote unquote.
They see some gnarly shit.
992
00:52:27,000 –> 00:52:29,900
Like if you like gnarly as
deaths, there’s couple.
993
00:52:30,000 –> 00:52:31,000
There’s a few.
Yeah.
994
00:52:31,500 –> 00:52:34,900
Yeah, that final scene is really
well done.
995
00:52:35,200 –> 00:52:39,700
It’s that’s the thing about it.
It’s so well done in the end
996
00:52:39,700 –> 00:52:44,500
there and it’s so rough.
It’s so rough and hard to watch
997
00:52:44,500 –> 00:52:47,500
at times.
It’s blue ink is depressing.
998
00:52:47,500 –> 00:52:49,000
It’s upsetting.
And I think that’s another
999
00:52:49,000 –> 00:52:53,400
reason may be why I wanted a
supernatural thing or something
1000
00:52:53,400 –> 00:52:56,200
that I mean or something a cult
because it was just like, well,
1001
00:52:56,200 –> 00:53:00,600
if it’s just this Bleak thing of
people are going to Awful to
1002
00:53:00,600 –> 00:53:05,000
each other and and you know
horrifying violence.
1003
00:53:06,000 –> 00:53:08,500
I already know that.
Yeah, I don’t.
1004
00:53:09,400 –> 00:53:12,300
Well, it’s like watching a
Domino’s effect of violence or
1005
00:53:12,300 –> 00:53:15,800
like watching a mouse trap set
up or I’ll just put my bubble.
1006
00:53:15,800 –> 00:53:18,500
Yeah and just kind of like Pop’s
cap and up.
1007
00:53:18,600 –> 00:53:23,100
I think I think what you’re
describing is Once Upon a Time
1008
00:53:23,100 –> 00:53:27,500
in Hollywood, which I fucking
loved that movie and I loved it
1009
00:53:27,500 –> 00:53:32,100
because of that ending because
you Spend whatever eight hours
1010
00:53:32,400 –> 00:53:35,000
of that movie thinking you’re
going to see pregnant.
1011
00:53:35,000 –> 00:53:36,800
Sharon?
Tate gets slaughtered at the
1012
00:53:36,800 –> 00:53:39,100
end.
Yeah, and yeah, don’t you get a
1013
00:53:39,100 –> 00:53:41,500
rip-roaring good time at the
end?
1014
00:53:41,500 –> 00:53:47,000
Instead.
I got a rip-roaring good time
1015
00:53:47,000 –> 00:53:50,900
still.
But yeah, it is it is that they
1016
00:53:50,900 –> 00:53:55,400
killed the Manson family.
It was so much fun to watch with
1017
00:53:55,400 –> 00:53:57,700
the help of a good all.
Is it?
1018
00:53:57,800 –> 00:54:01,500
What is it?
Wasn’t fun to watch about it.
1019
00:54:01,500 –> 00:54:03,300
You wanted the Manson family to
win.
1020
00:54:03,500 –> 00:54:05,700
I had no, I didn’t want that
Manson family.
1021
00:54:05,700 –> 00:54:08,700
It sounds like you wanted the
Manson family to kill Sharon
1022
00:54:08,700 –> 00:54:11,700
Tate and I absolutely did not.
There may be something.
1023
00:54:11,700 –> 00:54:14,500
There is something very visceral
or viscerally satisfying and
1024
00:54:14,500 –> 00:54:18,900
like cathartic about that
inverted expectation, at the end
1025
00:54:19,100 –> 00:54:24,200
where it’s but there’s something
indulgent to me on a level about
1026
00:54:24,200 –> 00:54:26,700
it.
Where it’s like, I don’t know if
1027
00:54:26,700 –> 00:54:29,800
this is just the Boomers
whatever getting revenge on.
1028
00:54:30,000 –> 00:54:33,300
The Manson family for stealing
the 60s from them.
1029
00:54:33,500 –> 00:54:36,800
You something to me about this.
That’s just like, I don’t think
1030
00:54:36,800 –> 00:54:39,300
winter T.
I think he just wants to do this
1031
00:54:39,300 –> 00:54:43,100
to women.
I think like, you know, it just
1032
00:54:43,100 –> 00:54:45,300
feels there’s something icky to
me about it.
1033
00:54:45,308 –> 00:54:47,700
And like I sat there in the
theater and watched and cheered
1034
00:54:47,700 –> 00:54:49,200
at the end do like everybody
else.
1035
00:54:49,400 –> 00:54:51,500
But after, like, dwelling on it
for a little bit.
1036
00:54:51,500 –> 00:54:53,000
It’s like, I don’t know.
There’s some about it doesn’t
1037
00:54:53,000 –> 00:54:54,900
sit right with me.
It did feel like fuck these
1038
00:54:54,900 –> 00:54:57,800
hippies like they.
Yeah, they got a hippie.
1039
00:55:00,200 –> 00:55:03,100
Leonardo, DiCaprio’s character
100% would have voted for Donald
1040
00:55:03,100 –> 00:55:05,600
Trump.
Well, that’s my other issues. /.
1041
00:55:05,600 –> 00:55:08,400
The thing, most hippies voted
for Donald Trump.
1042
00:55:08,400 –> 00:55:10,800
Like I am all for.
Fuck the hippies.
1043
00:55:11,000 –> 00:55:13,900
Fuck the hippies.
They were, what did they didn’t
1044
00:55:14,000 –> 00:55:15,900
know?
Did they accomplish?
1045
00:55:15,900 –> 00:55:20,600
But yeah, overseas they oversaw
the stagnation of wages in
1046
00:55:20,600 –> 00:55:23,700
America once they entered the
workforce.
1047
00:55:24,000 –> 00:55:27,300
Thanks a fucking lot.
You dope-smoking themes.
1048
00:55:27,500 –> 00:55:29,300
Oh, no, they’re, they’re
monsters.
1049
00:55:30,000 –> 00:55:31,800
The time.
But at that time where they
1050
00:55:31,800 –> 00:55:35,700
monsters, no, because we all
know how to have fun.
1051
00:55:38,600 –> 00:55:40,300
I mean not all Boomers were
hippies.
1052
00:55:40,300 –> 00:55:43,200
That’s the thing and and vice
versa.
1053
00:55:43,200 –> 00:55:46,500
You know, like I am fine with
the hippies.
1054
00:55:46,600 –> 00:55:49,900
I’m fine with that – like, sure
some turn out to be pieces of
1055
00:55:49,900 –> 00:55:51,700
shit.
But also, I’m not going to say
1056
00:55:51,700 –> 00:55:54,800
that once upon a time in a
Hollywood feels like, you know,
1057
00:55:54,800 –> 00:55:57,500
the what the hippies were like
would get.
1058
00:55:57,500 –> 00:55:59,300
I feel like we’re getting a
little off track.
1059
00:56:01,300 –> 00:56:04,200
Yeah, I was gonna say, what do
you feel when father would
1060
00:56:04,200 –> 00:56:07,200
father gets the axe at the end.
Are you like?
1061
00:56:07,200 –> 00:56:08,300
Oh good.
The bad guy?
1062
00:56:08,300 –> 00:56:11,200
Got it.
Because I’m, I was, I was like,
1063
00:56:11,200 –> 00:56:14,700
show the part where the gun that
shot him was found 50 feet away
1064
00:56:14,700 –> 00:56:17,600
from his head.
Yeah.
1065
00:56:17,800 –> 00:56:19,200
Yeah.
I didn’t think Jim Jones had the
1066
00:56:19,200 –> 00:56:22,100
balls.
Didn’t Jones had the Integrity
1067
00:56:22,100 –> 00:56:24,300
to commit suicide.
I didn’t think he had the.
1068
00:56:24,300 –> 00:56:27,700
I didn’t think he had the, I
don’t know you donor ship of his
1069
00:56:27,700 –> 00:56:28,900
own doings.
Yeah.
1070
00:56:28,900 –> 00:56:31,100
I mean, I feel the same way.
A about Hitler but everyone
1071
00:56:31,100 –> 00:56:33,900
wants to laugh it up.
When you suggest he got out of
1072
00:56:33,900 –> 00:56:36,300
Germany, like, yeah, I’m sure
Hitler’s, the only one who
1073
00:56:36,300 –> 00:56:38,900
didn’t Escape.
He got X fucking perfect Marine.
1074
00:56:39,000 –> 00:56:41,900
He got on a fucking plane, his
Private Pilot.
1075
00:56:41,900 –> 00:56:46,000
I thought about about Germany
and she wrote a book about it.
1076
00:56:46,000 –> 00:56:48,900
And at the end was like you
think I’m going to tell you?
1077
00:56:48,900 –> 00:56:51,900
I got Hitler out of Germany and
that’s how she ended the book.
1078
00:56:52,000 –> 00:56:55,800
Like Hitler got out.
But Jim Jones used body doubles.
1079
00:56:55,900 –> 00:57:01,000
Also, there’s a really weird
moment from his Tree where he
1080
00:57:01,000 –> 00:57:04,400
was in Brazil.
Yeah, he double shit is one of
1081
00:57:04,400 –> 00:57:10,900
my favorite fucking things.
That paranoid wealthy people do
1082
00:57:11,000 –> 00:57:14,100
others of body.
Double shit, the Hussein.
1083
00:57:14,400 –> 00:57:15,700
Yeah.
It’s the truth.
1084
00:57:15,800 –> 00:57:20,900
There’s 20 great acoustic.
There’s two very weird things
1085
00:57:20,900 –> 00:57:24,900
about Jim Jones and body,
doubles one when he was in
1086
00:57:24,900 –> 00:57:29,800
Brazil for a time.
Someone also was issued another
1087
00:57:29,900 –> 00:57:33,900
Passport under Jim Jones
identity and picked it up in the
1088
00:57:33,900 –> 00:57:36,300
United States.
Jose is a pretty common last
1089
00:57:36,300 –> 00:57:41,900
name and it was Jim.
It was Jim Jones, passport, or
1090
00:57:41,900 –> 00:57:43,600
was it?
Mike Jones?
1091
00:57:43,700 –> 00:57:51,200
And it was Jesus chose.
So now you’re gonna drink this
1092
00:57:51,200 –> 00:57:54,000
Kool-Aid.
Okay, there is slavery.
1093
00:57:54,200 –> 00:57:56,000
I don’t know the rest of the.
Yeah, it’s flavor.
1094
00:57:56,000 –> 00:57:59,800
And I think there is a
suggestion that Jim Joe.
1095
00:58:00,100 –> 00:58:05,100
Actually died before the end of
Jonestown because there is this
1096
00:58:05,400 –> 00:58:08,000
this also comes from one of the
Survivor accounts.
1097
00:58:08,100 –> 00:58:11,800
But one of the he was all into
like Faith, healing and like,
1098
00:58:11,800 –> 00:58:14,400
magic and shit.
Yeah, and one of the things,
1099
00:58:15,000 –> 00:58:19,000
this man loved carb, it’s one of
the things he did during one of
1100
00:58:19,000 –> 00:58:23,900
his presentations or whatever,
was he had someone shoot him in
1101
00:58:23,900 –> 00:58:28,200
the chest or so it appeared and
then he was dragged off stage
1102
00:58:28,300 –> 00:58:30,300
and then walked back out.
Out.
1103
00:58:30,300 –> 00:58:33,400
And a lot of people are like,
well, he probably he like shot
1104
00:58:33,400 –> 00:58:36,200
the body double with blanks or
something and came.
1105
00:58:36,500 –> 00:58:38,600
But there are some people who
are like, no, I think the
1106
00:58:38,600 –> 00:58:42,100
government killed him in that
moment and we just, we brought
1107
00:58:42,100 –> 00:58:44,200
out the Jim Jones.
That would be a little more
1108
00:58:44,200 –> 00:58:50,100
compliant and then, yeah.
CIA guy that’s pitching that
1109
00:58:51,100 –> 00:58:52,600
it’s just like, hey, no, no.
You guys.
1110
00:58:52,600 –> 00:58:54,700
It’s really simple.
We just make it look like a
1111
00:58:54,700 –> 00:58:57,200
magic trick.
Well, that’s how Brandon Lee
1112
00:58:57,200 –> 00:58:59,000
died.
Yeah.
1113
00:58:59,000 –> 00:59:01,100
All you have to do is the CIA
did that.
1114
00:59:01,100 –> 00:59:03,000
We all know.
All you have to do is say this
1115
00:59:03,000 –> 00:59:05,500
blanks and fucking, yeah.
Shoot him for real.
1116
00:59:05,700 –> 00:59:07,500
I don’t know, man.
It’s crazy.
1117
00:59:07,700 –> 00:59:09,900
Jonestown is a crazy goddamn
story.
1118
00:59:10,000 –> 00:59:12,500
It’s a crazy story and I give
them credit for trying to take
1119
00:59:12,500 –> 00:59:14,300
it on and a day and adapt.
It.
1120
00:59:14,300 –> 00:59:17,500
There are elements that I think
do makes our relevance to this.
1121
00:59:17,700 –> 00:59:19,800
Time input to this time in
history and everything like
1122
00:59:19,800 –> 00:59:20,800
that.
What’s going to America when
1123
00:59:20,800 –> 00:59:24,300
they talk about, you know, like
the sort of radical, you know,
1124
00:59:24,300 –> 00:59:28,400
lack of opportunity and the
isolation of you know,
1125
00:59:28,500 –> 00:59:32,000
minorities and the elderly and
stuff like that and how churches
1126
00:59:32,000 –> 00:59:34,100
are often.
The only institutions that seem
1127
00:59:34,100 –> 00:59:37,400
to do any kind of Outreach to
those people to exploit them
1128
00:59:37,400 –> 00:59:40,300
usually but you know, they do
average, you know what I mean?
1129
00:59:41,000 –> 00:59:42,800
However, but they feel good
about it.
1130
00:59:42,800 –> 00:59:44,800
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
1131
00:59:44,800 –> 00:59:47,100
Yeah, they feel great.
So, I mean it’s like could that
1132
00:59:47,100 –> 00:59:50,100
is this Realistic scenario, that
could very well happen today.
1133
00:59:50,100 –> 00:59:51,600
Could there be a modern-day
Jonestown?
1134
00:59:51,600 –> 00:59:53,700
I think?
Yeah, very well much very good.
1135
00:59:54,000 –> 00:59:56,200
I guarantee there is very well.
That’s good.
1136
00:59:56,200 –> 01:00:00,400
I think that as long as America
and and therefore, you know,
1137
01:00:00,400 –> 01:00:05,800
most of Western civilization and
like, the global reality is like
1138
01:00:05,800 –> 01:00:10,100
in a capitalist Paradigm that
the soil is always fertile for a
1139
01:00:10,100 –> 01:00:14,500
Jonestown as long as, as long as
like, there is this, like, great
1140
01:00:14,500 –> 01:00:21,200
spiritual angst and A’lelia
Nation going on among like
1141
01:00:21,300 –> 01:00:23,000
everyone.
Yeah.
1142
01:00:23,000 –> 01:00:25,300
Yeah.
There’s a always, there’s always
1143
01:00:25,300 –> 01:00:28,100
exactly that void is always
gonna be there, and there’s
1144
01:00:28,100 –> 01:00:31,600
always going to be space for
someone like Jim Jones or
1145
01:00:32,400 –> 01:00:37,400
ex-nazi CIA, maybe to prop up a
gym gel, you know, to make these
1146
01:00:37,400 –> 01:00:41,900
spaces for shit like this.
And there’s always a chance for
1147
01:00:41,900 –> 01:00:42,700
it.
Hmm.
1148
01:00:42,700 –> 01:00:45,200
Yeah.
I mean, the see it like we have
1149
01:00:45,200 –> 01:00:47,500
such a long history of doing
weird.
1150
01:00:47,700 –> 01:00:50,900
Medical experiments and
psychological experiments on
1151
01:00:50,900 –> 01:00:54,800
people.
And I think we really downplay
1152
01:00:55,000 –> 01:00:58,700
the importance of that point in
history after World War Two
1153
01:00:58,800 –> 01:01:01,500
where we were like now, we’re
not fighting Nazis.
1154
01:01:01,700 –> 01:01:03,300
We’re bringing them into the
government.
1155
01:01:03,400 –> 01:01:04,700
Yeah.
I’m not get, we were like we
1156
01:01:04,700 –> 01:01:09,300
were like, you know, Sterling?
Price, trying to poach them,
1157
01:01:09,800 –> 01:01:14,100
what we fucking teamed.
We teamed up with the Nazis and
1158
01:01:14,200 –> 01:01:18,000
one of the suggestions is that
at one point during World War
1159
01:01:18,000 –> 01:01:22,200
Two, the Nazis convinced us that
hey, communism is your real
1160
01:01:22,200 –> 01:01:24,500
enemy where fight communist.
You should be fighting
1161
01:01:24,500 –> 01:01:28,300
Communists and it sounds crazy.
But what happens after World War
1162
01:01:28,300 –> 01:01:30,600
Two?
We bring thousands of Nazis to
1163
01:01:30,600 –> 01:01:32,900
the United States and start
fighting communism.
1164
01:01:33,000 –> 01:01:33,800
Exactly.
Yeah.
1165
01:01:33,800 –> 01:01:35,900
I think it was said that Sidney
Gottlieb.
1166
01:01:36,000 –> 01:01:39,800
Got a guys who were, like, In
the Nuremberg trials, like flew
1167
01:01:39,800 –> 01:01:42,100
them out.
During the Nuremberg trials to
1168
01:01:42,100 –> 01:01:44,800
use them for experiments and
then flew them back.
1169
01:01:44,900 –> 01:01:48,600
Yeah, a Jewish man, a Jewish
man, a doctor who took a
1170
01:01:48,600 –> 01:01:51,900
Hippocratic Oath flew a bunch of
Nazis who had just been
1171
01:01:51,900 –> 01:01:55,600
previously killing, all of his,
you know, possible relatives
1172
01:01:55,600 –> 01:01:58,500
flew him to the states, use
them, and then dumped him back.
1173
01:01:58,500 –> 01:02:01,300
What kind of a person has that?
Sort of how?
1174
01:02:01,300 –> 01:02:07,000
Well, it’s cool code.
It’s, we were that to be this
1175
01:02:07,000 –> 01:02:11,200
fucking in nerd, but we were
isildur after cutting the ring
1176
01:02:11,200 –> 01:02:15,500
off Sirens hand like that was
America being like, oh, shit,
1177
01:02:15,500 –> 01:02:18,600
you guys the rest of Europe is
like no one’s touching this
1178
01:02:18,600 –> 01:02:20,000
thing, right?
This Nazi shit.
1179
01:02:20,000 –> 01:02:23,100
Because, yeah, we saw what it
just did an America’s like, oh,
1180
01:02:23,100 –> 01:02:26,000
oh, but he almost had the home
planet.
1181
01:02:26,000 –> 01:02:29,900
So, you want that, when you
think of what the Nazis were
1182
01:02:29,900 –> 01:02:32,200
doing?
They weren’t just killing Jews.
1183
01:02:32,200 –> 01:02:34,900
They kill Jews in Germany
because that was the group in
1184
01:02:34,900 –> 01:02:36,800
Germany to kill.
Oh, they killed.
1185
01:02:36,800 –> 01:02:38,400
They killed.
They killed anarchists.
1186
01:02:38,400 –> 01:02:41,300
They killed Roma people, they
killed because they considered
1187
01:02:41,300 –> 01:02:44,600
them mentally disabled people.
The old the sick handicapped
1188
01:02:44,600 –> 01:02:48,700
like, well, yes, and because
they considered all of those
1189
01:02:48,700 –> 01:02:50,800
people subhuman.
Exactly.
1190
01:02:50,800 –> 01:02:53,800
So imagine them coming to the
United States.
1191
01:02:54,100 –> 01:02:57,300
Civil Rights era is kicking off.
Very soon.
1192
01:02:57,400 –> 01:02:59,400
Mmm.
You think they didn’t go to the
1193
01:02:59,400 –> 01:03:02,100
United States and go, we can
take care of that black people
1194
01:03:02,100 –> 01:03:04,300
problem for you granted.
It’s going to take a thousand
1195
01:03:04,300 –> 01:03:07,800
years because that’s how reich’s
work, but we’ll get There.
1196
01:03:08,200 –> 01:03:11,300
I just wonder at what point
we’re supposed to believe.
1197
01:03:11,400 –> 01:03:15,100
After WWII that all of those
Nazis reform their ways and
1198
01:03:15,100 –> 01:03:19,000
became good Americans.
Yeah.
1199
01:03:19,100 –> 01:03:21,100
The same way we’re supposed to
believe that aids just had
1200
01:03:21,100 –> 01:03:23,000
Africa just really bad.
Sorry.
1201
01:03:23,000 –> 01:03:27,500
Yeah, just did is no reason why
a cocaine is only a problem in
1202
01:03:27,500 –> 01:03:30,500
this, in this one, very specific
type of neighborhood.
1203
01:03:31,000 –> 01:03:33,400
That’s my chance.
Amazing.
1204
01:03:33,800 –> 01:03:35,300
Where’d all that?
All those things happened?
1205
01:03:35,400 –> 01:03:36,400
Yeah.
It’s insane.
1206
01:03:36,400 –> 01:03:39,200
Cuz it’s like people will.
Openly acknowledged right?
1207
01:03:39,200 –> 01:03:42,500
That like, oh, yeah.
We use Nazi scientists for NASA
1208
01:03:42,500 –> 01:03:45,800
like yeah, that’s what we did
because of Rockets or whatever.
1209
01:03:45,800 –> 01:03:49,100
But it’s like, you don’t think
we were taking a look at every
1210
01:03:49,100 –> 01:03:51,000
anybody else’s resumes over
there.
1211
01:03:51,400 –> 01:03:53,800
I don’t think we were the kind
of Staffing.
1212
01:03:53,800 –> 01:03:58,600
Some departments.
Yeah, the SS is half of the the
1213
01:03:58,600 –> 01:04:02,900
first batch of CIA agents have
them where SS agents.
1214
01:04:02,900 –> 01:04:09,000
It was called the OSS.
What do you get?
1215
01:04:09,300 –> 01:04:13,600
Yeah, but, ya know and also, I
mean, we got the all the medical
1216
01:04:13,600 –> 01:04:16,200
results of the Japanese
scientists had gotten from all
1217
01:04:16,200 –> 01:04:20,200
their human torture and all of
their and c71.
1218
01:04:20,200 –> 01:04:23,700
Something.
You never coat Unit. 731 Unit,
1219
01:04:23,700 –> 01:04:26,200
731.
We agreed to not proper
1220
01:04:26,200 –> 01:04:28,800
prosecute them in exchange for
all of their data.
1221
01:04:28,800 –> 01:04:31,200
We’re like, give us the data, we
will prosecute you.
1222
01:04:31,200 –> 01:04:33,200
So, what did we get out of that?
Meanwhile?
1223
01:04:33,200 –> 01:04:35,500
Russian just got all that data.
We were looking at were like, oh
1224
01:04:35,500 –> 01:04:37,400
good data.
Yeah, right.
1225
01:04:37,500 –> 01:04:43,600
I’m meanwhile, Russia.
When any Unit 731 members Russia
1226
01:04:43,600 –> 01:04:47,000
captured were tried as war
criminals, but we brought him
1227
01:04:47,000 –> 01:04:51,300
over and said, help us.
Yeah, help us get seen that
1228
01:04:51,300 –> 01:04:52,900
movie.
Like, guys, shutter.
1229
01:04:52,900 –> 01:04:56,300
Stay the fuck out of the attic.
No, I didn’t like it that much.
1230
01:04:56,300 –> 01:04:57,200
All right.
Yeah.
1231
01:04:57,300 –> 01:05:00,000
I don’t know.
It was it’s the the plot is
1232
01:05:00,000 –> 01:05:02,200
Joseph Michael.
That’s actually a reveal.
1233
01:05:02,300 –> 01:05:04,300
Yeah.
Never mind.
1234
01:05:04,500 –> 01:05:05,500
Yeah.
Yeah, that man.
1235
01:05:05,500 –> 01:05:32,600
Never mind.
Yeah, we’re getting close to
1236
01:05:32,600 –> 01:05:34,100
wrapping up.
This Jonestown thing.
1237
01:05:34,100 –> 01:05:40,000
It’s like this is Jonestown just
Ends off into so many other
1238
01:05:40,400 –> 01:05:46,400
things that it’s really hard to
get a handle on covering every
1239
01:05:46,400 –> 01:05:49,500
aspect of it.
But I think we got two episodes
1240
01:05:49,500 –> 01:05:50,900
left.
We’re going to talk about the
1241
01:05:50,900 –> 01:05:55,000
other Jonestown next and then
talk about Jonestown 99.
1242
01:05:55,000 –> 01:06:01,600
Women, hero, hero, Joseph.
Jonestown Japan.
1243
01:06:01,700 –> 01:06:04,100
Which all of those things.
Probably exists.
1244
01:06:04,100 –> 01:06:06,100
So go.
Yeah, not exactly.
1245
01:06:06,400 –> 01:06:09,400
And then we’re going to, we’re
going to talk about the White
1246
01:06:09,400 –> 01:06:11,300
Knight, you know, that’s what
they called it.
1247
01:06:11,400 –> 01:06:13,400
The night, they all died.
They called it.
1248
01:06:13,400 –> 01:06:15,700
The White Knight.
I did not know that.
1249
01:06:15,700 –> 01:06:18,100
Mmm.
That’s that’s, uh, interesting
1250
01:06:18,100 –> 01:06:21,000
because I like, I killed him.
All right.
1251
01:06:21,900 –> 01:06:25,700
It was, I mean, also, just
little note from Indiana home of
1252
01:06:25,700 –> 01:06:27,200
the KKK.
Yeah.
1253
01:06:27,200 –> 01:06:30,600
Or like headquarters the KKK.
Yeah, but you don’t, Jose is
1254
01:06:30,600 –> 01:06:33,200
probably I mean how many black
people did he personally murder
1255
01:06:33,400 –> 01:06:36,600
around 900.
That’s more than like most slave
1256
01:06:36,600 –> 01:06:38,700
owners would ever even come
close to?
1257
01:06:38,700 –> 01:06:42,700
Yeah, I like when that Kpop band
BTS got in trouble because they
1258
01:06:42,700 –> 01:06:47,400
included a bunch of Jim Jones
speeches in one of their songs.
1259
01:06:47,500 –> 01:06:51,500
What what and people were like,
you know, he slaughtered black
1260
01:06:51,500 –> 01:06:53,600
people right?
There are like, no, we just
1261
01:06:53,600 –> 01:06:56,200
steal from black people.
We don’t pay any attention to
1262
01:06:56,200 –> 01:06:57,800
me.
Oh my God.
1263
01:06:57,800 –> 01:07:00,000
Damn.
Anyway, great speaker.
1264
01:07:00,100 –> 01:07:02,700
Though he was very he knew how
to move a crowd.
1265
01:07:03,000 –> 01:07:04,800
That’s for sure.
The CIA love someone who can
1266
01:07:04,800 –> 01:07:08,700
move a crowd of people movers
anyway, places.
1267
01:07:09,000 –> 01:07:11,600
We should get out of here.
Did we do plugs yet.
1268
01:07:11,600 –> 01:07:12,900
Do we have anything to plug?
Laura?
1269
01:07:12,900 –> 01:07:14,200
You got anything to plug?
You?
1270
01:07:14,200 –> 01:07:15,700
Just got your hair.
Did you look great.
1271
01:07:15,700 –> 01:07:17,500
Just got my hair done.
It looks great.
1272
01:07:17,500 –> 01:07:18,400
I colored it.
Cut.
1273
01:07:18,400 –> 01:07:19,700
It.
Spend a lot of money.
1274
01:07:19,900 –> 01:07:21,200
Yeah, but I haven’t in a long
time.
1275
01:07:21,200 –> 01:07:22,800
So that’s great.
Might plugging my hair.
1276
01:07:23,300 –> 01:07:25,200
Go check out my Instagram at
Crawford comic.
1277
01:07:25,200 –> 01:07:27,200
I’m on their post things.
Make stuff.
1278
01:07:27,300 –> 01:07:29,400
You can find me and you know
about you.
1279
01:07:30,700 –> 01:07:32,700
I don’t really do you want to
plug this school?
1280
01:07:32,700 –> 01:07:37,600
The podcast that you understand.
The cast is back, this new
1281
01:07:37,600 –> 01:07:40,900
episodes coming.
I also just did a segment for My
1282
01:07:40,900 –> 01:07:43,200
Friends.
Podcast bunk 237.
1283
01:07:44,100 –> 01:07:46,500
There should be a new episode of
that.
1284
01:07:46,500 –> 01:07:51,900
I do guess segments on there
sometimes and I got a new one
1285
01:07:52,100 –> 01:07:55,900
coming out there basket-case
episode and I’m on Twitter at
1286
01:07:55,900 –> 01:08:00,900
Andy underscore SEL SEL L as in
sell me a copy of the Ackerman
1287
01:08:00,900 –> 01:08:03,700
on DVD I don’t see it.
Had all good.
1288
01:08:03,700 –> 01:08:05,000
What’s happening?
What’s happening?
1289
01:08:05,000 –> 01:08:06,900
Yeah.
I’m I’m sorry.
1290
01:08:06,900 –> 01:08:09,700
I won’t that went bad.
But it’s all the better one.
1291
01:08:09,700 –> 01:08:14,600
Next time you can you can follow
me on Twitter and Instagram at
1292
01:08:14,600 –> 01:08:15,600
Adam.
Todd Brown.
1293
01:08:15,600 –> 01:08:18,300
That’s tied with one D.
And I’m going to be launching a
1294
01:08:18,300 –> 01:08:21,700
writing project soon.
That death, you’ll be able to
1295
01:08:21,707 –> 01:08:25,600
give me money for and help help.
Keep me Keep Me in food and
1296
01:08:25,600 –> 01:08:30,300
clothes and things like that
till then let’s get the f.
1297
01:08:30,399 –> 01:08:33,500
Out of here.
F is short for fuck Laura.
1298
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Say goodbye bit by Adam by Andy
great seeing you and Laura and
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he’s sick and he say goodbye.
Bye.
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Goodbye.
Everybody.
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We love you.