Adam and special guest Erik Barnes discuss a documentary about a guy who swears his computer program could have stopped 9/11.
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I went through the transparent,
you the song.
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Hey everybody, Welcome to
conspiracy the show.
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I’m your host, Adam Todd Brown.
Jordan me a special guest
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co-host this week, Eric Barnes,
Eric, how’s it going?
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It goes pretty well.
In spite of the content, we’re
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going to be talking about oh
yeah I forgot what we’re talking
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about today.
Yeah, that’s a 911 joke,
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everybody because You know, we
should never forget Eric.
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He’s been on this podcast
before, right?
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I don’t think I’ve been on
conspiracy.
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Hmm.
Okay, happen.
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Well, now, you know,
congratulations, there was once
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a conspiracy against me being on
conspiracy, the show, an
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effective 12 up to this point.
It worked until now.
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Yeah, but, yeah, now, it’s now,
it’s been debunked.
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Congratulations.
Thank you.
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We are fast.
Approaching the 20th anniversary
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of 9/11, which I have no doubt.
Is going to be like the Toyota
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Thon for conspiracy podcasts.
So we’re trying to get in on the
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action early, we’re talking
about a documentary called a
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good American and we’ll get more
into that a little bit later.
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But let’s talk about our 911
memories.
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Yeah, you got any.
Do you remember it?
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Because I think I’ve mentioned
on the podcast before I was I’m
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old.
So I was at work and I just like
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that’s my story.
I saw it happen in the break
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room basically like on a TV or
they were acting it out for
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Begin in the break room, that’s
a dumb question said that I had,
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but you know, you never know for
me, I was in college at the time
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because I am a fellow old and it
was actually my first year of
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college and I was in my dorm
room playing NBA Street on my
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PlayStation 2, nice and across
the hallway, someone from the
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dorm, just knock on the door.
So like dude check out the TV
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just any channel and like all
right and then That’s when I saw
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the first Tower smoking and at
the time I was like some fucking
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dumbass pilot just is an idiot
and just crashed into it because
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they’re unsure what happening?
And that’s when I saw the second
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tower, get hit and I’m like, oh
yeah, I assumed we were at
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warring like when it all started
happening, it felt that way
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granted.
It took us a little while to
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pick out which, which country we
wanted to invade, so we didn’t
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go to war right away.
Yeah.
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Come up with False pretenses
first.
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It was very weird because I was
in Ohio at the time.
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So that is where we were.
Yeah, well, we weren’t directly
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affected by it.
Like we were just absorbing the
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shock that everyone else was
experiencing and wit was like,
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well we’re just going to
continue our day but the campus
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provided televisions outside at
Major like crosswalks because it
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was because it was a university
where you can walk from building
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to building, right?
With news updates and all that.
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And some of the classes are
like, fuck the lesson plan.
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Let’s talk about this weird
thing that just happened because
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we you know at the time it was
very surreal and gradually and
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it still is to an extent.
I remember when just regular TV,
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finally came back that took like
two weeks, at least.
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Like it was just 911 coverage
for weeks.
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I remember sting had a concert
planned for that night.
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And he said he was not going to
cancel it and everyone was kind
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of salty about that and then he
comes out and he just played one
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really sad song and was like
thank you good night which felt
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appropriate.
Yeah it was strange, it was
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weird man fucking 9/11.
Am I right?
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I mean shit you know God but
with the anniversary coming up I
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figured we should delve back
into some some Related
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conspiracies.
And the way we’re doing that
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this week because I’m still in
the midst of a move and don’t
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have a ton of research time,
we’re talking about the
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documentary of good American.
Had you ever seen this before
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not prior to the recording of
This podcast?
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I didn’t realize until I started
watching it again, that I had
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seen it before which speaks to,
I think the quality of the
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documentary which is an amazing.
It’s very interesting.
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Formation.
Yeah, I do have some quibbles
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with the documentary itself it’s
called good American came out in
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2017, it’s an Austrian
documentary, which that’s going
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to raise flags on either side.
If you’re on the right, you’re
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like, well, why wouldn’t an
American company?
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Put it out.
And if you’re on the left,
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you’re like I bet the government
pressured American companies not
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to put this out and you’re
probably both right to some
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degree.
Yeah, I mean, we’re talking 911.
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No one’s, no one’s right about
9/11.
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People who say Saudi Arabia, was
more involved than the
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government says, I wonder where
that’s at by the time this
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episode Z think they’re going to
drop that.
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You think that mixtapes going to
hit the streets before 9/11?
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I think something’s going to
happen just before or on 9/11 I
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mean it’s who’s to say being
that it’s the 20-year
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anniversary of it and given the
state of everything that’s going
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on, something’s going to drop,
it’s almost guaranteed.
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There is among the Trump will be
reinstated.
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To office, conspiracy theory
types, their new date because
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they’re a death cult.
So you have to keep updating the
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day.
When the crazy thing is going to
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happen.
It was supposed to be August
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13th.
That’s passed.
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So now it’s September 18th
they’re having a big rally
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outside the capital so that’s
going to be one week after 9/11.
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Well, yeah, because they need to
celebrate 911 with.
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You know, you’ve had your night
Parties in which you have
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Hotshot certain, you know,
cookout.
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Yeah.
Cookouts the special nine and
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eleven layered cakes onion-ring
Towers onion-ring Towers.
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Yeah.
But you know, here comes the
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airplane, I mean it would be
kind of fun.
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I don’t know.
I mean in a very dark, humor
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sense.
Yes, definitely.
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And plus cookouts are fun.
Without a reason, they don’t
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even need a theme.
They’re just always fun.
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The theme could be just we’re
hungry and we like People, I do
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wonder if that Saudi Arabia
information that the families
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are suing to have released
because some of it got released
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a few years ago.
And even the stuff that got
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released a few years ago, is
pretty damning, like there’s
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Parts about Saudi intelligence,
agents meeting with 9/11
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hijackers when they moved to
California like helping them set
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up apartments and shit and
there’s still lots of that
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that’s redacted and that’s what
these families are suing for.
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And What’s happening in
Afghanistan and how much of a
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catastrophe that is?
If it also comes out that oh
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yeah, the government knew it was
Saudi Arabia.
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They just protected them because
they’re an ally, man.
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I feel like this country’s going
to fuckin explode.
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I mean, there’s already a lot of
landmines for this country to
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explode.
This is just going to be another
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one, but got it wish this were
funny but it’s not.
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It’s just it just isn’t an 11
really is not all that funny.
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No, it’s not.
And and the thing is, is that it
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is a specter that we have this
whole never forget Mantra but
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it’s more like we can’t forget.
And so many ways, it’s
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unfeasible to forget because you
have on one end, you know, High
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patriotism that holds a grudge.
But the problem is we’re not
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we’re not sure who to hold the
grudge against and now we’re
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about to find out that how it’s
seems to be likely that the
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people that we should be holding
a grudge against our own people.
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And that’s what is horrifying
about this.
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Yeah, the the ramifications of
911 just expands so far beyond
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what happened that day.
Like we’re still in the thick of
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that and I don’t know if we’re
going to get out anytime soon.
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Like the war in Afghanistan is
just ending.
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It’s been 20 years.
Yes, it’s such a long time.
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That’s the thing.
The war itself is just ending
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but the situation itself has not
because who’s to say, what’s
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Going to happen F.
You know once Afghanistan
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becomes fully established under
the Taliban or like what
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happens?
Next is the big question.
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I think the phrase you’re
looking for is it is Taliban a
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Stan?
Yes that’s what I think the name
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would become.
There’s just so many questions
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and I hate to use a phrase from
Donald Rumsfeld.
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May he rot in hell, but there
are so many men unknown unknowns
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and known unknowns about.
Is that it’s just yeah we’re
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going to have another gasoline
induced garbage bomb fire
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somehow and I just want to be
sure that we’re we’re kind of in
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the Claire the the right people
in the good people are in the
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clear and on away from it.
So we can hopefully it’ll just
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be a Flash Bang and then we can
clean up afterward as opposed to
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a roaring just forest fire of
democracy or lack thereof that
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all Mains, to be seen as for
this documentary, speaking of
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knowns and unknowns, this is one
of those things where the
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documentary makes a really
compelling case, but we’ll
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really just never know.
If the point it’s making is true
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which the high-level overview of
this documentary is that there
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was a software program that
collected data from everyone,
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all Americans, and everyone
talking to Americans and it was
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a software.
G that its makers claim could
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have prevented 9/11.
I’m a little conflicted because
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the subject of this documentary
for all intents and purposes is
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just suggesting that like his
Kinder and gentler version of
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American government spying would
have stopped 9/11 and it’s like,
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we don’t know that but also
you’re still spying on Americans
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man.
Yeah, and even, if that were
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implemented thin thread, I
believe it was called yes.
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Apologies if I’m jumping around,
but that’s the thing is that
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even if thinthread were 100%
fully implemented and did
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everything that it claimed to
do, and to be, and was like, you
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said, a gentle or version of
well, the Patriot Act,
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essentially, there’s no way in
hell that they wouldn’t unlock
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those doors anyway.
You know what I mean?
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It would have evolved into what
it is now.
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Yeah, and that’s essentially
what happens in this.
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Henry, that’s the risk, you run.
And when you work with this
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government, you approached him
about something.
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And they’re like, yeah, that’s a
thing we can use for good and
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then once they have it, they’re
like, well, we can use it for
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bad too and we’re also obviously
going to do that as well in this
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software program, kind of ends
up being that where he’s like,
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well, here’s kind of a neutered,
stripped down version of what
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you’re doing.
That’s a little less invasive,
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and they end up going.
Hey, thanks, we’re going to use
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that.
We’re just going to take all of
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that stuff that keeps it from
being invaded.
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Evasive out.
Yeah, and that’s the point.
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This guy quits what guy, NSA
whistleblower, William Binney he
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is a former official at the NSA,
resigned shortly after 9/11
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happened.
What are you up to Benny?
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He was just enough heat rollers.
Get out of town, huh?
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Yeah.
What you got to be in an
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Austrian documentary now, what
do you want to Bin Laden’s,
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family members?
Because remember we shuffled
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them out of town.
Yeah, right.
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Shuffle them out of town.
Nothing.
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Weird about that at all.
Nope, not at all.
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Nothing odd about that.
Nothing odd about all that
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stuff.
I that’s, that’s the thing is
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that, you know, this documentary
it is talking about how smart
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intelligent this guy is.
And I’m not denying the fact
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that he is proven to be smart
and intelligent.
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But that doesn’t mean he’s good.
Not only, is it kind of shaky
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the whole you know, hey, let’s
build a giant web of Of spying
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on all forms of phones and
computers starting weight back
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in the 80s.
He wanted to do this, yeah, way
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way back, way, way back.
Well, even beforehand it, like,
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back in the, he started doing
stuff in the sixth, you know, he
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was a codebreaker essentially in
the 60s and 70s or it Dean if he
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was a analyst but I’m just
giving you the Layman shorthand
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from my perspective.
It’s basically the documentary
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is essentially saying well, the
NSA dragged it to ass.
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About going from analog to
digital when he created the
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concept of metadata, at least
from a national security
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standpoint, right?
The monitoring of yeah, the
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monitoring and the same with
that was information that they
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would previously just discard.
Yeah, I got it because they
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thought they couldn’t use it.
Because yeah, not everyone who
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has a job as good at their job
like, yes, don’t ever be
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surprised when the government
just fucks up because some
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people suck at their jobs, On
the one hand, yes, something
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went wrong.
That allowed 911 to happen.
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But since then, how many Terror
attacks have there been in the
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United States?
There have been mass shootings
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and I feel like those are a
different thing.
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How many 9/11 style fucking
suicide, bomber style attacks
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have happened in the United
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None.
No.
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So the suggestion that, oh, if
we just had the right software
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in place, it would have Stopped
9/11.
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I don’t think that’s true
because we had information in
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the president’s hands as far
back.
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As I think July of 2001 that was
like Osama Bin Laden wants to
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carry out attacks in the United
States and no one acted on it.
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So even if they got all this
intelligence, who were they
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going to send it to that was
going to do shit about it?
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Well yeah, there was that one
member of the former member at
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the NSA that prior to even
meeting Benny mentioned on how
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he got a report that Osama Bin
Laden and the Taliban or
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Al-Qaeda, excuse me, we’re
making plans.
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And in his words she said well
what are a couple of ragheads
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going to do, right?
And that was words, not Eric’s
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his words, not mine.
Well, well it’s important.
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I’m just reinforcing your point
that this is this wasn’t unknown
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information.
This was just ignored
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information, right?
And I get it Is privacy
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concerns.
I’m with him on that I would
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rather this be done in a way
that doesn’t just dig right into
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all the personal details of Our
Lives as but I also think it was
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unrealistic of him to expect the
government to keep it at that.
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Yeah, we’re the American
government, we do whatever we
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want.
They’re really painting Benny,
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everyone involved in this, as a
man that believed in a good and
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true America and was betrayed by
that naively in my opinion
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betrayed by I that patriotism
that’s just unrealistic to me.
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I think anyone that has worked
in the government even slightly
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kind of knows how not only.
You know he learned early on how
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inefficient it can be through
ignorance or just laziness in
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certain cases but you also have
to know that there’s some
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Sinister elements at play.
There always will be and always
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has been.
I don’t know.
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Yeah yeah babies he saw things
through rose-colored glasses for
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too long.
Yeah.
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And the The idea that he’s been
working in government
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surveillance since the 80s and
hasn’t seen this government do
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anything shady to its own
citizens.
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I don’t buy that at all.
I think this might just have
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been the shadiest thing.
He saw slip past people’s radar.
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Literally also you have to Route
the whenever you watch a
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documentary and you know this
you have to realize, okay, who
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benefits from this?
And I think another Us behind
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this dock is to kind of just do
the Shady stuff was fine.
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Until it affected me, right?
And now it’s a problem.
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So there could be that too
because it really painting Benny
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as this could be savior.
It’s like straight-up hero
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worship for this guy.
Like everyone they interview is
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like he’s the smartest guy I’ve
ever known.
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He’s the most ethical guy I’ve
ever known and it’s like, all
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right, if you even apply to work
at the NSA, you’re not the most
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ethical person.
Person.
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Anyone knows, I don’t know.
I can’t imagine a point in the
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history of this country where we
weren’t the biggest threat to
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the government.
Meaning Americans be that a real
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threat or a perceived threat.
Like when you think about 60s
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70s and 80s, what was the
government doing?
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They were oppressing, black
people did nothing William
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Binney did play into that or did
it and he was just like that’s
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our job at the NSA is to
suppress them but Americans died
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on 9/11.
It’s like no Benny.
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We are all Americans, but Adam
in the documentary.
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I just saw, I just saw footage
of him looking like Clark Kent,
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as a Young Man, a solvent codes,
that looked like the Zodiac
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Killers things.
He has to be a good guy and he
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did it alone by himself and he’s
the only good one.
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They play all this like sci-fi
orchestral music when they’re
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explaining how his program works
and it I can tell you in, like
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one sentence, it Maps, the
relationship between all the
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phones in the world.
Yeah, there you go.
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You got it.
That’s that’s all you really
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need to know and they go deep
into detail talking about how it
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works.
Well, they play the same trick
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over and over.
The, the problem is that this
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thing should have been 40
minutes to an hour instead of 90
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minutes, that’s issue one, an
issue too.
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Is that it’s like oh this is a
PowerPoint presentation.
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Interspersed with PPS like
interviews.
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Yeah.
And the interviews just get a
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little overbearing like we I get
it.
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He’s a good American.
He’s good.
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He likes the Constitution.
It’s in the title Adam and we
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have to reinforce it.
He said soaked, he’s so good.
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He’s so good, so good, so good,
so good.
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That he voted for Donald Trump
and his appeared on Breitbart
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after after all this.
And, and he also thinks that the
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election of Biden was rigged
against Trump.
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Oh, I feel so much better being
an asshole to this guy now?
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Yeah, no, I after the, I just
did a quick.
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Google search after this and it
just was like, okay.
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So I can understand his position
of voting for Trump initially
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just because oh this man is an
outsider and I don’t trust
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anybody on either side of the
aisle at this point.
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Let’s it’s not like he’s not
benefiting from that and
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creating more crackpot theories.
Here’s the thing, this
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documentary in and of itself of
like hey the government covered
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up 911.
That’s not far-fetched and and
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here’s the thing, I’m not much
of a conspiracy Person spoiler
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alert but I believe that but
when it comes to rigging the
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election against Donald Trump
and some of the other things
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that he claims post 9/11, you
lost me bud.
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I’m sorry, we actually are fresh
off recording.
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Two episodes about the, my
pillow guys election
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documentary, which is Ballers
yuck, it is insane.
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You notice that documentary?
A good American was executive
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produced by Oliver Stone.
Right?
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I did.
See that.
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Yeah, so that kind of tells you
a little bit, it’s just an
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interesting coincidence because
last week, the episode that will
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have gone up before this me and
Jeff met were recapping an
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episode of Conspiracy Theory
with Jesse Ventura drought
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fighter, all about reptilians.
And that is the episode where he
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added Oliver Stone Son to the
cast of the show.
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And then, yeah, I watch this
next and it’s Shit, Oliver
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Stone.
He said he’s in both of these
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things.
What is Oliver Stone’s?
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Son’s name, mark, but his actual
name is Oliver Stone, Son.
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Yeah, I was about to say, Mark
Stone.
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Yeah, they talk about him.
Using similar means to predict
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the Yom Kippur War back in the
70s and I’m sure nothing else at
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all was this program used for?
And like he says, he used it to
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predict the, the Russian
invasion of Afghanistan.
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And they really do Do lay it on
thick that.
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Hey, this guy everything.
This guy does works and so he
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tries to sell this to the NSA
and they’re not really going
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for.
It’s a program called thinthread
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and again, it works exactly.
Like we said, but one part I did
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find interesting, not only did
they shun this software, but the
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NSA just kind of shunned the
internet all together at first.
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And that seems so insanely
short-sighted but also not
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shocked.
I used to work at Playboy and
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people let me tell you Playboy
pretended, the internet did not
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exist until like 2009.
They were selling DVDs to people
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deep into the 2010s and it’s
like, that’s why you’re almost
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done now.
Yeah.
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Like Playboy seems like it’s
ready to collapse.
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Like, it’s going to be like Mad
Magazine putting out like four
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issues a year.
I think they might already be
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close to doing that, I think so,
I thought they were just a
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website at This point.
Oh well yeah that could be I
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thought I think there’s
exclusively online out.
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I could be dead wrong but that’s
the thing is that our government
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is much like other businesses in
which a lot of the people that
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are at the helm of these things
are the old dogs and the old
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dogs don’t care for the new
tricks or think the new tricks
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don’t matter.
And it’s evolve or die and it’s
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not too dissimilar to well, you
know, our last two presidents
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are in their 70s.
So they Understand the full
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grasp of it.
So I’m not too surprised that a
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lot of the folks that were in
charge in the head of the NSA
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thought internet, that’s just a
passing phase.
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You know.
Much like 8-track tapes, they
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didn’t even want to give
analysts access to email.
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Yeah.
Which that is nuts and I think
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that like that was like a
government developed thing
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basically or if he’s to be
believed, one of the people they
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interview on the My Pillow guy
documentary invented email very
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Contentious claim you won’t be
surprised to know.
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I’m sure some people vehement
Lee disagree with him.
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Like the guy who is actually
credited with inventing email
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God.
So William Benny’s concern to
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his credit seems to be that the
program’s the NSA were trying to
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go with over his we’re way more
intrusive and invasive into the
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average Americans life and I
still want to know I would like
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him to Define American in this
sense because what you end up
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seeing happening after the war
on terror starts, we covered a
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really great documentary.
I think a couple years ago
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called the feeling of being
watched and that’s a documentary
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about how this woman, through
the Freedom of Information Act
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eventually finds out the FBI.
Had been surveilling everyone in
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her neighborhood for like a
decade and it’s because it was a
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predominantly Muslim
neighborhood on the outskirts of
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Chicago.
And everyone knew that the
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government had been surveilling
them, but no one knew to what
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extent, but every house she
would go to.
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They were like, yeah, they
showed up and asked me who I was
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going to vote for they like they
come around all the time and she
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starts filing these Freedom of
Information Act request to find
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out, how many people they were
watching in her neighborhood,
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and they finally come back and
they’re like around 500 and
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she’s Oh, that’s how many people
live in this neighborhood.
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It’s around 500.
It’s a crazy documentary.
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And like how would William
Binney have felt about that
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surveillance with?
Would that be the kind of thing
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that we would have to do to stop
terrorism?
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Yeah.
Did it stop terrorism?
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There were, if you watch the
documentary, there were two
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people eventually caught in that
surveillance, and they were both
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caught for like, money
laundering.
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Yeah, it wasn’t.
It wasn’t terrorism related at
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all.
But I wonder how he would feel
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about his program being
implemented in that way, you
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know, it’s hard to discern, but
all I know is this is that of
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all the people interviewed, not
one person of color?
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No, no, I would not be surprised
if like you were mentioning
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00:25:37,200 –> 00:25:40,300
about the FBI spying on 500
Muslim.
432
00:25:40,300 –> 00:25:43,800
People that at the same time,
he’d be like, oh no, what I
433
00:25:43,808 –> 00:25:46,800
meant was we don’t want to spy
on white people.
434
00:25:46,800 –> 00:25:49,000
Why do that they’re not
terrorists?
435
00:25:49,100 –> 00:25:53,200
That’s definitely a question.
I would have because the Is for
436
00:25:53,200 –> 00:25:57,500
this guy, is so over-the-top.
Yeah, and I don’t know something
437
00:25:57,500 –> 00:25:59,300
about Oliver.
Stone being involved.
438
00:25:59,400 –> 00:26:03,000
Doesn’t sit well with me.
And I hate a 911 documentary
439
00:26:03,000 –> 00:26:05,200
that never mentioned Saudi
Arabia.
440
00:26:05,500 –> 00:26:09,100
Yeah, when it doesn’t get into
Saudi Arabia, then I feel like
441
00:26:09,100 –> 00:26:13,000
this is just a diversion to keep
us from talking about that.
442
00:26:13,000 –> 00:26:18,600
Now, this is definitely a lesser
asshole, saying the bigger
443
00:26:18,600 –> 00:26:21,600
assholes, the bigger asshole and
we’re like, yeah, we know, but
444
00:26:21,600 –> 00:26:23,600
that doesn’t make you good.
Good, right?
445
00:26:24,500 –> 00:26:27,500
So they bring up another
software program called
446
00:26:27,500 –> 00:26:32,500
Trailblazer that the NSA decides
to go with instead.
447
00:26:32,500 –> 00:26:36,900
And this guy’s problem with it
one is that again, it’s way too
448
00:26:36,900 –> 00:26:40,700
intrusive into the lives of an
average person, but it’s also
449
00:26:40,700 –> 00:26:45,000
bringing in so much data.
That how do you even know what
450
00:26:45,000 –> 00:26:49,400
to go with and another problem
that he didn’t mention.
451
00:26:49,400 –> 00:26:54,400
It’s also not his so right.
That’s a problem for him that he
452
00:26:54,400 –> 00:26:56,700
omitted.
So there’s a lot of stuff about
453
00:26:56,700 –> 00:26:59,900
the back and forth at the NSA
between the people who supported
454
00:26:59,900 –> 00:27:04,700
Trailblazer and the people who
supported thinthread side note,
455
00:27:04,700 –> 00:27:07,300
where can I get one of those NSA
hoodies.
456
00:27:07,300 –> 00:27:10,800
That woman was wearing, right?
Shit was tight.
457
00:27:10,800 –> 00:27:15,000
Really where they’ll is a zip up
and had a big-ass NSA logo on
458
00:27:15,000 –> 00:27:17,300
the back?
I would wear the shit out of
459
00:27:17,300 –> 00:27:19,900
that.
Oh yeah it looked comfy to it
460
00:27:19,900 –> 00:27:22,400
did it looked very cozy?
Well, I mean when your job is
461
00:27:22,400 –> 00:27:25,100
just Just listening to Americans
phone calls all day.
462
00:27:25,100 –> 00:27:27,900
Yeah, you want to settle in, you
know, you don’t need to be
463
00:27:27,900 –> 00:27:30,600
uptight and stuffy in that
Stitch, I want to.
464
00:27:30,600 –> 00:27:35,500
I wonder if there’s NSA pajamas
for that for that very thing
465
00:27:35,800 –> 00:27:41,400
like, like pajama bottoms pants.
I bet they have a whole internal
466
00:27:41,400 –> 00:27:45,500
store where you can just buy all
sorts at NSA merch.
467
00:27:45,500 –> 00:27:48,200
Maybe it’s more than just a
store maybe as soon as you sign
468
00:27:48,200 –> 00:27:51,500
the dotted line and all that
they at least give you a free
469
00:27:51,500 –> 00:27:54,400
hoodie and a free pair of Ants.
That would be cool.
470
00:27:54,600 –> 00:27:58,400
Whoever from the NSA is tasked
with listen listening to us
471
00:27:58,400 –> 00:28:00,400
record this.
If you could just drop a link to
472
00:28:00,400 –> 00:28:03,900
that hoodie in the show notes.
Yeah, I would really appreciate
473
00:28:03,900 –> 00:28:06,500
it.
I would also shit my pants.
474
00:28:06,500 –> 00:28:09,900
If that link showed him aside
while we were recording will go,
475
00:28:09,900 –> 00:28:13,500
I will go one further since you
already know where I live.
476
00:28:14,100 –> 00:28:19,300
Just I’m a hefty boy.
You know, 2x 3x L because I like
477
00:28:19,300 –> 00:28:22,500
it baggy just shit, just ship it
straight to me, you don’t even
478
00:28:22,600 –> 00:28:25,100
Even need to include a return
address because I know you’re
479
00:28:25,100 –> 00:28:28,600
not going to know so we’re snot
or it’ll be a fake when I like a
480
00:28:28,608 –> 00:28:29,900
pierrot.
Yes or something.
481
00:28:30,000 –> 00:28:32,800
Yeah and so by this point the
documentary I get it.
482
00:28:32,800 –> 00:28:37,800
William Binney is very credible
at least in terms of having the
483
00:28:37,900 –> 00:28:40,900
proper knowledge on how to spy
on American citizens.
484
00:28:41,100 –> 00:28:43,700
Great.
He said so American Adam.
485
00:28:44,000 –> 00:28:48,100
Yeah, he is a good American.
Maybe the only I think he might
486
00:28:48,100 –> 00:28:51,300
be the only know the title is a
good American.
487
00:28:51,400 –> 00:28:53,900
So what if it’s not, They didn’t
even mean him.
488
00:28:54,000 –> 00:28:56,200
Like you know, that woman made
the interview a bunch.
489
00:28:56,200 –> 00:28:58,200
She’s the good one.
Yeah nightmare.
490
00:28:58,500 –> 00:29:01,000
Yeah, maybe that’s the question
of the documentary, which one of
491
00:29:01,008 –> 00:29:02,900
these people is the good
American.
492
00:29:03,600 –> 00:29:09,200
So, in January 2001, William
Binney requests, that thinthread
493
00:29:09,200 –> 00:29:14,500
be deployed to 18 different
potential terrorism hotspots and
494
00:29:14,800 –> 00:29:19,400
that request is denied.
And that same year, a new
495
00:29:19,400 –> 00:29:22,500
director takes over and there’s
a bunch of new higher-ups.
496
00:29:23,000 –> 00:29:25,700
That are appointed in one of
them just tells William Binney.
497
00:29:26,100 –> 00:29:31,000
He is no longer to push then
thread on anyone and eventually
498
00:29:31,000 –> 00:29:35,600
it just kind of fell out of use
three weeks later, 9/11
499
00:29:35,600 –> 00:29:39,500
happened.
Mmm, so I get from a timing
500
00:29:39,500 –> 00:29:42,000
standpoint.
Why William Binney would be
501
00:29:42,000 –> 00:29:45,600
upset but were they gonna
implement it fast enough?
502
00:29:45,600 –> 00:29:47,300
I don’t know.
I assumed it was a it was
503
00:29:47,300 –> 00:29:51,400
already implemented, but that is
unfortunate timing especially if
504
00:29:51,400 –> 00:29:54,500
this program was Have been more
effective and they seem to
505
00:29:54,500 –> 00:29:57,700
demonstrate that it was, but
they also don’t explain what
506
00:29:57,700 –> 00:29:59,800
they’re showing us.
Their like, see, we’re getting
507
00:29:59,800 –> 00:30:03,400
exact locations here and it’s
just like phone numbers and IP
508
00:30:03,400 –> 00:30:05,000
addresses.
And it’s like, what are we
509
00:30:05,000 –> 00:30:07,200
looking at?
What are you showing us?
510
00:30:07,400 –> 00:30:09,600
So, that’s a thing.
You kind of have to go on there.
511
00:30:09,700 –> 00:30:13,100
They’re testing of the program
to verify that it would have
512
00:30:13,100 –> 00:30:15,200
worked.
There’s no like independent
513
00:30:15,200 –> 00:30:17,400
tasks there.
So there’s no third party to
514
00:30:17,400 –> 00:30:20,900
indicate whether they’re correct
or incorrect and you know he was
515
00:30:20,900 –> 00:30:23,400
pushing thin thread for quite
Sometime.
516
00:30:23,400 –> 00:30:26,900
So this could you know, it’s one
of those.
517
00:30:26,900 –> 00:30:29,600
Oh, they finally just stopped
doing it all together and then
518
00:30:29,600 –> 00:30:31,100
three weeks later, 9/11
happened.
519
00:30:31,200 –> 00:30:34,600
Well, yeah, but you’re just
basing it off of that.
520
00:30:34,600 –> 00:30:38,000
Latest rejection of it.
You could have kept going with
521
00:30:38,000 –> 00:30:40,600
it and you went with it.
Previously, you, do.
522
00:30:40,600 –> 00:30:45,000
You see what I’m saying?
Yeah, and it’s just, so it just
523
00:30:45,000 –> 00:30:47,800
happened to be that.
It’s like, well, if 9/11 didn’t
524
00:30:47,800 –> 00:30:50,300
happen, you would still be
trying to promote thin thread
525
00:30:50,500 –> 00:30:54,700
and even before that, you know,
way, Even before that you kept
526
00:30:54,700 –> 00:30:57,200
doing it for forever.
That’s kind of the point of the
527
00:30:57,200 –> 00:31:00,100
doc.
It’s it’s cherry picking.
528
00:31:00,100 –> 00:31:01,400
I don’t know.
Yeah.
529
00:31:01,400 –> 00:31:05,900
It’s not as convincing as it
thinks it is no.
530
00:31:05,900 –> 00:31:09,700
Like they’re really like they’re
they’re kind of its kind of
531
00:31:09,700 –> 00:31:12,700
self-referential where they’re
just like, oh, who says this
532
00:31:12,700 –> 00:31:13,700
would work.
We do.
533
00:31:14,000 –> 00:31:17,400
So that’s that’s all you need to
know.
534
00:31:17,400 –> 00:31:22,600
And yeah, so it the NSA ends up.
Shutting this program down And
535
00:31:22,600 –> 00:31:26,100
basically but then they end up
using a version of it with all
536
00:31:26,100 –> 00:31:29,900
of the Privacy stuff stripped
out and that’s when Benny loses
537
00:31:29,900 –> 00:31:34,000
his shit.
And he files a Department of
538
00:31:34,000 –> 00:31:36,900
Defense.
Inspector General complaint
539
00:31:36,900 –> 00:31:42,100
against the NSA for their
efforts to stop from
540
00:31:42,200 –> 00:31:45,500
implementing thinthread.
They talk about this report
541
00:31:45,500 –> 00:31:50,100
being buried from the public and
how this report showed, all of
542
00:31:50,100 –> 00:31:55,000
this data that was missed.
That could have prevented 9/11.
543
00:31:55,000 –> 00:31:58,200
What do they want people to do
with that information?
544
00:31:58,400 –> 00:32:01,300
They never went into detail
about what they would have done
545
00:32:01,300 –> 00:32:03,600
with it?
Had they known they didn’t
546
00:32:03,600 –> 00:32:06,100
specify.
What if I recall correctly
547
00:32:06,100 –> 00:32:09,600
didn’t specify what type of
information it was?
548
00:32:09,600 –> 00:32:12,400
It just was there.
Well, they said they had like
549
00:32:12,400 –> 00:32:16,400
movements and location 0, then
stuff like that but also your, I
550
00:32:16,408 –> 00:32:18,300
don’t know if they’re kind of
working with hindsight.
551
00:32:18,300 –> 00:32:22,900
They’re like well now you know
who the hijackers were so So,
552
00:32:22,900 –> 00:32:25,600
you could cross-reference that
and be like, see, we knew where
553
00:32:25,600 –> 00:32:28,900
they were, but if we had seen
that cold, would we have known
554
00:32:28,900 –> 00:32:30,500
what we were looking at?
I don’t know.
555
00:32:30,500 –> 00:32:33,100
How do you know?
Well, didn’t they also say that
556
00:32:33,100 –> 00:32:36,600
there were some they also found
information about potential
557
00:32:36,600 –> 00:32:40,400
hijackers that aborted their
missions or just didn’t do it
558
00:32:40,400 –> 00:32:43,000
for whatever reasons or miss
their planes and that type of
559
00:32:43,008 –> 00:32:46,300
thing.
So who’s to say what would have,
560
00:32:47,000 –> 00:32:50,300
you know, we could have picked
the wrong people to, to try to
561
00:32:50,300 –> 00:32:51,900
Target or just Target.
All of them.
562
00:32:52,000 –> 00:32:55,100
I don’t know.
But on but here’s the thing is
563
00:32:55,100 –> 00:32:58,200
that it’s hard for us to gauge
what we would have done with
564
00:32:58,200 –> 00:33:00,900
that.
Especially since this is clearly
565
00:33:00,900 –> 00:33:05,100
a group of people that have a
grudge, it may be a valid grudge
566
00:33:05,100 –> 00:33:07,900
against the NSA, but it’s still
a grudge against it.
567
00:33:07,900 –> 00:33:11,600
So of course they want to paint
themselves as, you know, as
568
00:33:11,600 –> 00:33:15,000
great and they want to paint the
NSA as even worse than what we
569
00:33:15,000 –> 00:33:16,800
already know them to be.
Yeah.
570
00:33:16,800 –> 00:33:21,800
It at some point starts to feel
kind of like a sales pitch
571
00:33:21,900 –> 00:33:24,900
because there is a part in this
in this documentary where they
572
00:33:24,900 –> 00:33:28,000
talk about, okay?
Well then we decided to start
573
00:33:28,000 –> 00:33:30,900
shopping it around to other
government agencies.
574
00:33:30,900 –> 00:33:34,200
And we got shut down.
Every time we tried to do that,
575
00:33:34,200 –> 00:33:36,800
we tried to sell it to the CIA
and it’s like, oh, cool.
576
00:33:36,900 –> 00:33:40,400
Thanks and no one bought it but
they still have it.
577
00:33:40,600 –> 00:33:42,200
Like they could sell it to
someone.
578
00:33:42,500 –> 00:33:45,100
They could probably sell it to a
foreign government.
579
00:33:45,200 –> 00:33:48,700
Maybe they could sell it to
Vladimir Putin, if Oliver Stone
580
00:33:48,700 –> 00:33:51,300
can help them put together a
good enough sales pitch, they
581
00:33:51,300 –> 00:33:56,000
might be, I could be I could be
wrong, but it could be my memory
582
00:33:56,000 –> 00:33:59,700
being fuzzy, but it did.
I do recall when looking at
583
00:33:59,700 –> 00:34:03,500
Benny that he does have some
Russian ties or at least know
584
00:34:03,500 –> 00:34:07,500
some people over there.
So who’s to say and at the very
585
00:34:07,500 –> 00:34:11,699
end of the documentary, it
provides a website at dot-org.
586
00:34:11,800 –> 00:34:16,600
So, yeah, I think you’re right
that there is not just the tone
587
00:34:16,600 –> 00:34:20,500
of the documentary being kind of
a sales pitch for thin thread or
588
00:34:20,500 –> 00:34:22,400
whatever the hell they want to
call it.
589
00:34:22,500 –> 00:34:26,199
Now, but it seems like they kind
of want to get the conversation
590
00:34:26,199 –> 00:34:30,800
going regarding this and it’s
not purely altruistic of getting
591
00:34:30,800 –> 00:34:36,300
the truth out about 9/11, it’s
also, hey, we have this thing.
592
00:34:36,800 –> 00:34:38,600
Why don’t you buy it from us?
Yeah.
593
00:34:38,600 –> 00:34:42,400
And it feels like a diversion to
me, not just with leaving out
594
00:34:42,400 –> 00:34:45,400
Saudi Arabia but everything
they’re bringing up.
595
00:34:45,699 –> 00:34:49,900
Well, we had intelligence that
we showed to other people and
596
00:34:49,900 –> 00:34:52,400
they didn’t do anything.
The president did that too.
597
00:34:52,800 –> 00:34:55,699
Like all of these things,
they’re describing happened at
598
00:34:55,699 –> 00:34:57,700
higher levels in different
agencies.
599
00:34:57,700 –> 00:35:02,500
We know the CIA and the FBI had
information that had they gotten
600
00:35:02,500 –> 00:35:05,900
together and shared it.
Then maybe we could have
601
00:35:05,900 –> 00:35:09,600
prevented 9/11, but they weren’t
fucking talking like no one was
602
00:35:09,600 –> 00:35:11,200
sharing information?
No.
603
00:35:11,200 –> 00:35:15,400
So he’s just kind of bringing up
another example of that, but
604
00:35:15,400 –> 00:35:19,100
acting as if that one fix would
have, that would have changed
605
00:35:19,300 –> 00:35:22,300
everything and I’m just not so
sure about that.
606
00:35:22,300 –> 00:35:25,200
I You like that information
would have gone higher up the
607
00:35:25,200 –> 00:35:26,400
chain.
They would have sent it to
608
00:35:26,400 –> 00:35:29,800
someone and that someone would
have been like huh interesting.
609
00:35:30,000 –> 00:35:33,100
Yeah and then 9/11 would have
happened because that’s kind of
610
00:35:33,100 –> 00:35:36,600
what happened.
Anyway yeah so yeah I don’t as
611
00:35:36,600 –> 00:35:40,300
this documentary went on I just
like the stories crazy the story
612
00:35:40,300 –> 00:35:42,600
about their offices getting
raided.
613
00:35:42,700 –> 00:35:46,000
Yeah that was nuts.
That was very weird.
614
00:35:46,000 –> 00:35:49,400
Like they just the government
just showed up and took all of
615
00:35:49,400 –> 00:35:54,500
their computers and all of their
Even related intelligence, but
616
00:35:54,500 –> 00:35:57,300
here’s the thing.
So they say, do we know that
617
00:35:57,300 –> 00:35:58,900
raid happened?
I don’t know.
618
00:35:58,900 –> 00:36:03,000
Like there’s no one else
interviewed but them so yeah.
619
00:36:03,100 –> 00:36:06,900
But it is that if that happened
it’s very interesting.
620
00:36:06,900 –> 00:36:10,600
But again, oh, the government’s
hiding information about 9/11?
621
00:36:10,600 –> 00:36:12,300
No, no way.
Yeah.
622
00:36:12,400 –> 00:36:16,300
Like how about you tell us what
it said but they could that’s
623
00:36:16,300 –> 00:36:18,800
the thing if they had all this
information, if they really want
624
00:36:18,800 –> 00:36:21,700
to be whistleblowers, why not
share it.
625
00:36:21,700 –> 00:36:26,100
And now I know They already are
operating under like the very
626
00:36:26,100 –> 00:36:30,500
first thing that is said in the
documentary was Benny’s lawyer
627
00:36:30,500 –> 00:36:33,300
saying, just know that if
something happens to me it was
628
00:36:33,300 –> 00:36:36,600
not a suicide.
So presumably Benny and everyone
629
00:36:36,600 –> 00:36:38,700
else that was interviewed are
under the impression.
630
00:36:38,700 –> 00:36:43,300
At know we’re risking Our Lives
talking about this so if you’re
631
00:36:43,300 –> 00:36:46,800
going to go you know go for
fucking broke.
632
00:36:46,800 –> 00:36:50,600
If that’s true, say the shit
that you do know because the
633
00:36:50,600 –> 00:36:52,400
worst thing that can happen,
you’re all.
634
00:36:52,500 –> 00:36:56,400
Ready, prepared, for it.
Supposedly, and on top of that,
635
00:36:56,500 –> 00:36:59,300
if you want the truth to come
out, say the truth.
636
00:36:59,400 –> 00:37:01,700
Yeah.
And like, I know you could
637
00:37:01,700 –> 00:37:06,400
argue, well, he’s probably Bound
by some kind of government
638
00:37:06,400 –> 00:37:08,800
clearance confidentiality kind
of thing.
639
00:37:08,800 –> 00:37:12,000
He’s a whistleblower, yeah,
that’s what whistleblowers do
640
00:37:12,000 –> 00:37:16,000
tell us what it said because
again, if it fucking said, Saudi
641
00:37:16,000 –> 00:37:18,700
Arabia did it, and you didn’t
put that in this documentary,
642
00:37:18,800 –> 00:37:22,100
that’s bad times.
Yeah, no that’s but it’s, yeah,
643
00:37:22,100 –> 00:37:25,000
it’s bad.
Times and it’s just, that’s the
644
00:37:25,000 –> 00:37:27,300
thing is.
Like you’re it’s you’re
645
00:37:27,300 –> 00:37:30,000
pretending that you’re a brave
person because you’re not
646
00:37:30,000 –> 00:37:32,700
actually doing anything.
You’re just, you’re just telling
647
00:37:32,700 –> 00:37:36,900
us shit that we kind of Presumed
already while adding on top of
648
00:37:36,900 –> 00:37:40,900
that of like, well well I could
have stopped it and say, yeah,
649
00:37:41,100 –> 00:37:43,500
yeah, whatever Mark Wahlberg,
shut the fuck up.
650
00:37:44,600 –> 00:37:46,500
You know.
Well that’s Wahlberg.
651
00:37:46,500 –> 00:37:48,800
Could have stopped it.
Come on, you’ve seen the movies.
652
00:37:49,100 –> 00:37:54,100
I mean I’ve seen I’ve seen You
know what he did, prevent the
653
00:37:54,107 –> 00:37:59,600
trees from killing everybody so
true, shout out to The
654
00:37:59,600 –> 00:38:02,700
Happening.
That is one of the best
655
00:38:02,700 –> 00:38:06,000
accidental comedies of all time.
It’s up there, it’s up there
656
00:38:06,000 –> 00:38:09,200
with what was that Nick Cage?
One with the bees.
657
00:38:09,300 –> 00:38:11,700
It was a remake.
Help me make her man wicker,
658
00:38:11,700 –> 00:38:12,800
man.
Thank you.
659
00:38:13,200 –> 00:38:16,500
Oh God.
So that’s the general gist of
660
00:38:16,500 –> 00:38:19,300
this documentary.
Is this guy thinks he could have
661
00:38:19,300 –> 00:38:22,400
stopped 9/11 with a software
program?
662
00:38:22,600 –> 00:38:26,200
Thin thread and perhaps in a
perfect government.
663
00:38:26,200 –> 00:38:28,400
Yes, that would have been
possible.
664
00:38:28,400 –> 00:38:34,000
But I just feel like there were
forces at play that were all
665
00:38:34,000 –> 00:38:37,200
right with 9/11 happening, you
even hear it in this documentary
666
00:38:37,200 –> 00:38:41,600
when he goes to his superiors
and they’re like, look 911 is a
667
00:38:41,600 –> 00:38:44,600
gold mine for us.
We’re going to get so much
668
00:38:44,700 –> 00:38:47,500
government budget money out of
this and you’re all going to get
669
00:38:47,500 –> 00:38:51,100
some this documentary acts.
Like that was the attitude at
670
00:38:51,100 –> 00:38:52,400
the NSA.
Yeah.
671
00:38:52,500 –> 00:38:56,000
Yeah, that was the attitude at
every level up to the fucking
672
00:38:56,000 –> 00:39:01,400
executive level like who got the
richest off 911 Dick Cheney
673
00:39:01,700 –> 00:39:05,000
George w–.
Bush, that whole fucking Bush
674
00:39:05,000 –> 00:39:09,300
Cheney war machine is who
eventually got rich and all of
675
00:39:09,300 –> 00:39:13,100
their corporate friends.
So this fucking software wasn’t
676
00:39:13,100 –> 00:39:16,500
going to stop that.
No there’s no way and this and
677
00:39:16,500 –> 00:39:19,400
this type of Cloak and Dagger
tape.
678
00:39:21,000 –> 00:39:22,400
This type of Cloak and Dagger
tape.
679
00:39:22,500 –> 00:39:26,800
Shit is what is the only time
trickle-down economics works?
680
00:39:27,500 –> 00:39:31,100
Because yeah, because they get
super Mondo rich and they want
681
00:39:31,100 –> 00:39:34,000
everyone else to shut the fuck
up, about them being supermodel
682
00:39:34,000 –> 00:39:35,900
Rich.
So as they say, in the
683
00:39:35,908 –> 00:39:39,000
documentary, everybody gets
their share, but that’s not just
684
00:39:39,000 –> 00:39:42,900
from an NSA standpoint.
It starts from Bush down if not
685
00:39:42,900 –> 00:39:45,000
even above him for god sakes.
Yeah.
686
00:39:45,000 –> 00:39:48,300
This, this documentary just kind
of confirms that the government
687
00:39:48,300 –> 00:39:50,600
works the way we assume it
works.
688
00:39:50,600 –> 00:39:53,300
Yeah, she is.
It’s fueled by My money and if
689
00:39:53,300 –> 00:39:55,800
people get hurt in the process,
so be it.
690
00:39:56,000 –> 00:39:57,600
Yeah.
So there’s not a lot of
691
00:39:57,600 –> 00:40:00,500
Revelations in it and I do feel
like it’s kind of trying to sell
692
00:40:00,500 –> 00:40:02,400
this software.
I don’t know if I would
693
00:40:02,400 –> 00:40:05,500
recommend it to people.
Like I would only recommend it
694
00:40:05,500 –> 00:40:08,400
the way I did.
And it’s only because if you if
695
00:40:08,400 –> 00:40:11,600
you have any interest in seeing
it because quite frankly, this
696
00:40:11,600 –> 00:40:14,400
is a pot at the this entire
documentary.
697
00:40:14,400 –> 00:40:17,400
We should have been a podcast
but yet, but if you are going to
698
00:40:17,400 –> 00:40:22,400
watch it, watch it on Amazon
with ads because that way you
699
00:40:22,500 –> 00:40:27,300
Here people like talking sternly
about oh God and that’s what the
700
00:40:27,300 –> 00:40:31,800
NSA did and then all of a sudden
it just snaps into a dude wipes
701
00:40:31,800 –> 00:40:32,900
commercial.
Yeah.
702
00:40:33,000 –> 00:40:34,900
So yeah, I don’t know what.
Yeah.
703
00:40:34,900 –> 00:40:37,500
Watch it with the ads but when I
pulled it up with the ads it
704
00:40:37,500 –> 00:40:39,700
looked like they were about 75
ad break.
705
00:40:39,700 –> 00:40:45,200
So I was like fine I will yeah
it well standard def.
706
00:40:45,200 –> 00:40:48,900
Don’t pandered don’t know.
HD do not pay for this.
707
00:40:48,900 –> 00:40:53,700
Do not pay to watch this and the
only Reason I say watch with ads
708
00:40:53,700 –> 00:40:58,600
is because the juxtapose the
knee-jerk juxtaposition, from
709
00:40:58,600 –> 00:41:03,600
this type of content over to
like, oh boy, yay.
710
00:41:03,700 –> 00:41:08,600
We’re we’re a happy family
eating taco shells from, you
711
00:41:08,600 –> 00:41:12,100
know it’s and then going sells a
great yet.
712
00:41:12,100 –> 00:41:14,700
I mean, Taco shows are great but
these people are super
713
00:41:14,700 –> 00:41:17,400
enthusiastic about taco shells
and then immediately going back
714
00:41:17,400 –> 00:41:21,300
to the government.
You’re so scary.
715
00:41:21,400 –> 00:41:26,500
That’s The only way that this
documentary is engaging for as
716
00:41:26,500 –> 00:41:30,600
long as it is it really drags.
It barely needs to be an hour.
717
00:41:30,600 –> 00:41:36,000
It certainly doesn’t need to be
an hour and 40 minutes know that
718
00:41:36,000 –> 00:41:39,300
is way too much and I don’t like
that.
719
00:41:39,300 –> 00:41:41,900
It feels like a sales pitch.
I don’t like that that sales
720
00:41:41,900 –> 00:41:45,300
pitch just kind of under the
radar sneaks in the fact that
721
00:41:45,300 –> 00:41:48,700
well you can use this software
in the bad way to like we don’t
722
00:41:48,700 –> 00:41:51,400
want to leave that out.
The NSA did do that for a while
723
00:41:51,400 –> 00:41:54,800
and then we It seems like the
NSA started using it, but just
724
00:41:54,800 –> 00:41:58,200
in a way this guy didn’t like.
And now he’s trying to force a
725
00:41:58,207 –> 00:42:03,100
trade, like a disgruntled NFL
wide receiver and no one wants
726
00:42:03,100 –> 00:42:04,900
to let him go.
So he’s going to have to retire
727
00:42:04,900 –> 00:42:08,100
in his prime like Barry Sanders
who was not a wide receiver.
728
00:42:08,100 –> 00:42:10,600
Calvin Johnson would have been a
better example.
729
00:42:10,600 –> 00:42:13,400
They both played for the Lions.
Calvin Johnson was a receiver.
730
00:42:13,600 –> 00:42:15,400
He retired in his prime.
I’m sorry.
731
00:42:15,400 –> 00:42:17,000
America Eric what were you going
to say?
732
00:42:17,200 –> 00:42:21,600
I was just going to say I don’t
even like sports but no what
733
00:42:21,800 –> 00:42:25,700
what I was going to I was going
to just add on top of on top of
734
00:42:25,700 –> 00:42:30,200
all that he could just be saying
he didn’t want it to turn into
735
00:42:30,400 –> 00:42:32,700
the Spy thing that he turned
into it again.
736
00:42:32,900 –> 00:42:37,300
Everything’s it’s a very
masturbatory documentary of
737
00:42:37,300 –> 00:42:41,100
jerking off this Benny guy
making him making him right in
738
00:42:41,100 –> 00:42:45,300
every scenario and yo crosses
heart and hope to die.
739
00:42:45,300 –> 00:42:49,200
He had no intention of thin
thread being more invasive but
740
00:42:49,200 –> 00:42:53,000
that’s naive as fuck.
Yeah and it kind of Just is like
741
00:42:53,000 –> 00:42:55,800
if you look at this from the,
from the outset, it’s like, oh
742
00:42:55,800 –> 00:42:57,700
no, this is got.
This is just a guy that has a
743
00:42:57,700 –> 00:43:01,000
sour grapes against the NSA.
Yeah, it really does.
744
00:43:01,000 –> 00:43:05,200
And here’s the thing, I get that
who doesn’t have yeah, hard
745
00:43:05,200 –> 00:43:08,800
feelings toward the NSA, you
better even if you work in line
746
00:43:08,800 –> 00:43:12,300
bud.
I mean, yeah, it’s not nothing
747
00:43:12,300 –> 00:43:16,600
about this is just shocking in
the least it’s like yeah.
748
00:43:16,600 –> 00:43:18,800
And oh, you could have stopped
it.
749
00:43:18,800 –> 00:43:21,200
All right.
Well, how do they kept things
750
00:43:21,200 –> 00:43:23,100
from you?
Tell us what You’re going to not
751
00:43:23,100 –> 00:43:25,300
going to say that either.
Well you’re just you.
752
00:43:25,800 –> 00:43:30,000
That’s an hour and 40 minutes.
I ain’t getting back anyway,
753
00:43:30,000 –> 00:43:34,500
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754
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755
00:43:38,700 –> 00:43:41,600
Mmm.
How funny would that be God?
756
00:43:41,600 –> 00:43:45,000
I would love if a conspiracy
Pops at checkout for the NS a
757
00:43:45,300 –> 00:43:49,100
hoodie store.
If that hell yeah and if someone
758
00:43:49,100 –> 00:43:52,000
is going to send us guess man I
say hoodies.
759
00:43:52,900 –> 00:43:55,100
First of all, yes please.
But I don’t mean the one with
760
00:43:55,100 –> 00:43:59,300
the small logo, I Googled it, I
mean, the zip-up hoodie with the
761
00:43:59,300 –> 00:44:02,400
big-ass logo on back, even if
you want to make me one, I’ll
762
00:44:02,400 –> 00:44:05,900
take it.
I mean, go to th get the NSA,
763
00:44:05,900 –> 00:44:11,600
Costa T, public mr.
Own God, they have, I hope the
764
00:44:11,600 –> 00:44:14,900
NSA is bringing in a dollar
forty four per shirt, like, we
765
00:44:14,900 –> 00:44:19,500
are open to public.
Oh God.
766
00:44:19,700 –> 00:44:21,700
Anyway, check out our T Publix
store.
767
00:44:22,400 –> 00:44:25,100
Do we have anything else?
I think that’s our episode.
768
00:44:25,200 –> 00:44:28,000
Yeah, watch this documentary.
We know this list.
769
00:44:28,000 –> 00:44:31,700
Uh, Sasha mapped it mapped all
the relationships of all the
770
00:44:31,700 –> 00:44:33,300
phones and computers in the
world.
771
00:44:33,400 –> 00:44:35,200
He thinks it could have stopped
9/11.
772
00:44:35,500 –> 00:44:36,900
Yeah, that’s all that’s new in
this.
773
00:44:36,900 –> 00:44:38,500
Yet.
You have heard that you’ve heard
774
00:44:38,500 –> 00:44:41,400
the podcast.
This is one of the rare movie
775
00:44:41,400 –> 00:44:45,700
podcasts in which where we’ve
told you everything about the
776
00:44:45,700 –> 00:44:47,300
movie.
You don’t have to watch the
777
00:44:47,300 –> 00:44:50,200
movie in order to understand
what we are talking about,
778
00:44:50,300 –> 00:44:51,900
because we pretty much told you
everything.
779
00:44:51,900 –> 00:44:55,300
So So you’re welcome.
We did this for you.
780
00:44:55,400 –> 00:44:57,600
You’re just going to get a lot
of technical details.
781
00:44:57,600 –> 00:45:01,200
That will only be pertinent if
you work in the field of
782
00:45:01,500 –> 00:45:04,200
oppressing American citizens,
right?
783
00:45:04,200 –> 00:45:05,800
Ian that you’re not going to
give a shit.
784
00:45:06,000 –> 00:45:09,000
Ah so do we have anything to
plug before we get out of here?
785
00:45:09,000 –> 00:45:15,600
How about you Eric if you like
to listen to and by Listen to I
786
00:45:15,607 –> 00:45:20,700
mean read funny things or know
about comedy shows.
787
00:45:20,700 –> 00:45:23,700
I may do and Some shows.
I’m a common tape.
788
00:45:23,700 –> 00:45:26,800
Just follow me on Twitter or if
you just plain like me follow me
789
00:45:26,800 –> 00:45:29,700
on Twitter at Eric W Barnes.
That’s it that’s all I got.
790
00:45:30,700 –> 00:45:35,300
You can you can subscribe and
get bonus episodes of conspiracy
791
00:45:35,300 –> 00:45:38,600
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We’ve been recapping episodes of
792
00:45:38,700 –> 00:45:42,600
Conspiracy Theory with Jesse
Ventura as bonus episodes.
793
00:45:42,600 –> 00:45:48,100
Last week’s bonus, Epp was about
the reptilians episode and it is
794
00:45:48,200 –> 00:45:51,000
crazy man.
Z at least that’s interesting.
795
00:45:53,400 –> 00:45:55,900
You know, it’s a crazy
conspiracy theory when even
796
00:45:55,900 –> 00:45:59,800
Jesse Ventura is like old
useless bullshit, bullshit,
797
00:45:59,800 –> 00:46:01,600
bullshit.
I don’t think they’re right.
798
00:46:01,700 –> 00:46:04,800
I’ve wrestled lizard men before
they would never.
799
00:46:05,100 –> 00:46:07,900
Now, there’s actually a quote
where he says I worked in
800
00:46:07,900 –> 00:46:11,600
professional wrestling.
I’ve seen everything and I’ve
801
00:46:11,600 –> 00:46:13,500
never seen a six-foot.
Lizard person.
802
00:46:13,500 –> 00:46:16,400
It’s like, why would wrestling
give you that?
803
00:46:16,400 –> 00:46:19,900
Kind of insight into the world?
Where, of course I was a
804
00:46:19,900 –> 00:46:23,200
wrestler if Bigfoot was real I
would know.
805
00:46:23,200 –> 00:46:26,900
Okay.
Because because Adam old old
806
00:46:26,900 –> 00:46:30,500
timey wrestlers, because of the,
the Carny nature of everything.
807
00:46:30,500 –> 00:46:33,800
They presume everything is
kayfabe.
808
00:46:33,900 –> 00:46:36,700
Everything’s a rib.
Everything is at work.
809
00:46:36,700 –> 00:46:40,600
So yeah, I know a lot of, I know
a lot of wrestlers, both
810
00:46:40,600 –> 00:46:43,600
currently wrestling, and former
wrestlers that are themselves
811
00:46:43,600 –> 00:46:47,000
conspiracy theorists, because
you can’t work, or work or
812
00:46:47,000 –> 00:46:50,300
brother, you know, that’s a good
point.
813
00:46:50,300 –> 00:46:52,200
So, all right, let’s get the
fuck out.
814
00:46:52,300 –> 00:46:54,800
Here Eric’s, I go.
Bye, bye bye.
815
00:46:54,900 –> 00:46:56,100
Goodbye everybody.
We love you.