Adam and Olivia begin an eight-episode journey through the banned second season of Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura. Up first, Plum Island, a real government facility that some believe is being used to engineer bioweapons.
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How’s it going?
You know, things are okay, kind
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of kind of calming down after a
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We’re talking about the Jesse
Ventura, that the government
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doesn’t want you to see, season
2 of Conspiracy Theory with
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Jesse Ventura it exists?
It does.
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It’s there.
They didn’t just go from 1 to 3,
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which would be a move.
It’s what the Traveling Wilburys
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did.
See, did yes?
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Not it’s not an unprecedented
move, it’s a great call.
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I would have never thought they
could pair.
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Jesse, Ventura to Roy Orbison.
He replaced Roy Orbison In The
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Traveling Wilburys.
People don’t know that.
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Yeah, you know that mean
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good with a guitar as Roy.
He sure looks good on a
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motorcycle, but I’m getting way
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That’s we had.
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episode and the interesting
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said, you can’t find it
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Yeah, it isn’t.
It’s been canceled.
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So like band.
Yeah, band from TV, a few on
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pops listeners or conspiracy.
See the show listeners have
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reached out in an effort to help
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going to try and get through all
of it before.
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The feds shut us down.
I can’t believe you would reveal
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the secret location of our video
files Adam, but Jesse Ventura.
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They don’t want you to see.
That’s what we’re talking about
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and he’s in fine form, you know?
Sure is he’s really getting to
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the interesting stuff.
Cough.
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This is the first, the topic.
He covers first is what I’ve
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always been pretty fascinated
with for sure.
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Which is Plum Island.
Had you ever heard of this
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before?
Well, I had like, I’ve heard
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about it just in general, like,
as an adult, you know, reading
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about weird like the, you know,
these weird conspiracies and
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ship, but I’ve known it for a
long time because it’s like a
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plot point in Silence of the
Lambs.
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Oh, that’s right.
That’s the I swear like Clarisse
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is trying to like tempt Lecter
with like being able to take
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vacations at Plum Island.
And he’s like, a, you think
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you’ve, you think you’re being
clever.
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But I know that Plum Island
actually is a disease, testing
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center, you know.
It’s it’s so yeah.
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I’ve just known about it like
passively because of that, sit
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for a long time.
It’s very close to New York
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City.
I’ve heard a lot of conspiracy
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stuff about this place before
and I’ll be honest, I don’t
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trust it.
I don’t.
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I don’t like that.
We have an animal testing
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facility.
It’s like a government-run.
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Animal virus, testing facility.
I mean like look I don’t trust
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it inherently because I don’t
generally trust the government.
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Just the tutions like as a whole
like it’s tough for me but also
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I understand why we would need a
national animal disease, testing
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center.
We like if something were to
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happen to you know, A large
portion of our, you know,
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livestock, we would be in huge
trouble.
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Like you may not have an animal
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pandemic on the people were,
will, you know, actually I mean,
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yeah, and with that happen.
I mean sure.
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But what I mostly mean is that.
If like, you know, if all of our
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cows die, then there goes milk
in there goes, you know, fresh
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milk and fresh beef like that,
and that’s like huge.
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That’s like, that’s one thing.
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You rarely get in these episodes
is there’s never even just One
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person to step in and be like,
hey, everything of the food
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supply chain, like maybe we need
to keep a tab on animal diseases
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also.
So we can all eat.
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worked out.
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I mean, we’ve talked about it
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about it again throughout these
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But like, they’ve got this
skeptic character who just
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constantly makes the shittiest
skeptic arguments.
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That.
Don’t make any sense when like
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it would, you know, like this
like it would be a perfect thing
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for him to bring Up like
perfectly reasonable thing,
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would be well, there’s a reason
for us to have this and that’s
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not ever his position.
It’s always like, well, no, I
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think we should just trust the
government, guys, will kneel, we
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only have question what they
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Do you think the government is
working on bioweapons somewhere?
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I mean, probably, but I would
like, personally I would imagine
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they’re going to do it off of
the Mainland, the little, it
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would probably not eat, and I
don’t mean, like, Plum Island
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off of The mainland.
I mean like you know we’ve got
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all these territories.
We’ve got like military bases
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all over the world, you know, I
would imagine that we’re
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probably doing some sort of
chemical weapons, or biological
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weapon research in some place
like that.
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But in, I just feel like in the
mainland that stuff, even the
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most dedicated shithead
politicians would be like, I
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don’t know if I want that in my
state, you know, like, it’s like
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if you’re trying to get through
Senate.
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Yeah.
And that is a thing that comes
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up in this episode, them trying
to move Plum Island to Kansas,
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which makes sense like that.
Actually like they, you know,
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they’re very suspicious of it
because they’re very suspicious
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of everything about this
facility because that’s the
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premise of the show.
But like, it makes sense for it
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to be in Kansas, because that’s
where a bunch of animals are
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like, my would be, that would be
kind of in the, you know, in the
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shit as it were.
They kind of got To get it put
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on my shit, you have to imagine
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the I mean there’s obviously
Livestock in Upstate New York
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but like the yeah be trucking
these things for a while.
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weird aspects of this place for
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sure.
The fact that it was founded by
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a Nazi is disturbing.
I mean, well that’s awful.
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of a lot of our agencies, some
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of Which are like legitimately
beneficial like NASA.
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Like, you know, we just you
know, unfortunately.
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Yeah, that’s what our government
decided to do.
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After WWII hard fact of life, we
teamed up with the Nazis after
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World War 2.
It’s a fight communism.
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Yep.
So this episode opens with Jesse
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Ventura and that fucking skeptic
his name’s Alex Piper I believe.
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Yeah, or that’s just what I’ve
named him very, I just know.
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Alex, they’re on a boat to Plum
Island and the they set it up,
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like, they’re being chased by
the Coast Guard.
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I mean, it’s a classic
conspiracy theory cold open?
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Yeah.
Like he often opens with like
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I’m getting rounded up by the
fence because I’ve asked too
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many hard questions and then you
get to that part of the episode
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and it’s always like, yeah, they
just kind of asked him politely
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to leave.
Yeah, they were just there doing
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yeah, the Coast Guard’s job
guarding the coast.
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Thanks.
Like yeah, of all the government
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agencies like the Coast Guard.
I’m like they just fucking deal
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with water.
That’s not even, we shouldn’t be
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there in the first place.
I’d be like, yeah, I just don’t
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find the Coast Guard
threatening, I find them.
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They have a helpful image there
like the see firefighters today.
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I liked it right out of the
gate, he delivers real sad
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monologue about being chased
because he’s a government.
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He He used to be a governor and
man you can tell I did these
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notes with voice dictation
software because I guess yeah.
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Some translation errors.
I could notice that it says.
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I used to be a governor.
What are they think?
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I am a flocking terrorist.
That’s not actually Jesse
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Ventura’s.
Quote from the episode, he said
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well like one of my first guy am
I fucking terrorist?
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Yeah, they might.
That is a, that’s going to be a
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running theme, at least over the
next couple episodes where he
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just is.
So indignant, that as a former
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government, governor and current
TV show host, he is not allowed
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to go and literally anywhere he
wants to go.
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And who would want that?
There’s a bad governors in
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history?
Want to give them all unfettered
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access to everything in the
world?
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I mean, it’s not like honestly,
you’re just a like, you’re a
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governor, you run a state.
They declared this Jesse Ventura
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day here in 1989 lat.
Let me in he describes being
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chased as like a raid out of his
Navy Frogman days.
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Yeah.
Only this time he didn’t have a
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gun or a knife.
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But from what he’d already
found, they wouldn’t be much
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help anyway.
Yeah.
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What were you gonna do?
He’s gonna get my gun fight at
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Plum Island.
On TV is gonna shank some Coast
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Guard’s.
Yeah, yeah, I love whenever he
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brings up his Navy days.
I’m glad he was talking about
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being a frogman.
Not a seal, which is more
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accurate still be here.
But yeah.
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in this episode to something
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that happened during your
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Frogman days.
Seem not that dangerous to
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undermines the Macho – of that
brag.
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I know a thing or two about
being lightly followed by the
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Coast Guard and he never really
elaborates on the guns.
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Wouldn’t help much anyway
because then We just cut to, for
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sure.
The first person, he talks to is
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Kenneth King, an expert on
biowarfare, he talks about how
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there are 1356, germ containment
facilities around the country
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and if there are accidents
happening regularly, here’s the
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thing about that number, I’d
rather there be more than less
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because if he was like listen
there are two germ containment
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units for the entire country,
I’d be like, fuck.
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Yeah, that’s a I did.
This is seem like enough.
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I mean like again I I don’t want
to take the government side.
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That is not something that I’m
trying to do but like I think
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the last couple years have shown
that we need facilities in our
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country to study these things.
Like there is there important to
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know about they’re not like you
have there.
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Everyone in this episode is
constantly.
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Take immediately leaping to the
most negative possible
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assumption about what’s going on
and I get it, I get that and I’m
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not saying there’s not anything
nefarious happening with regards
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to this stuff but like, you
know, there’s also rational
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explanations.
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And what they’re getting into
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This part is a little timely
because he’s basically talking
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about a lab leak, which the lab
leak Theory when it comes to
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covid is not a popular one but
it’s one that exists.
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Yeah, it will it’s tough because
Because it’s so loaded.
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Yeah, it depends on what version
you’re talking about.
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If you’re talking about the
Chinese government created covid
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in a lab and then Unleashed it
on the world, I don’t think so.
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But yes, of course it’s possible
for someone to work in a lab
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like this and accidentally
spread something to the outside
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and then again, see, I mean,
sure but also, lots of things
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are possible.
Hey kiddo II, just, that’s just
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a huge leap to make from
outbreak to buy a Weapon right?
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Yeah.
And with they’re not necessarily
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saying the government’s making
by a weapons but they do hint at
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it a whole lot and that’s mostly
what they’re focusing on is that
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the chances that something like
this, that one of these
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facilities, something could
escape and make a lot of people
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sick, but you’re just kind of
rolling the dice on life in
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general.
Like, that could happen with so
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many things, I mean, for sure.
Yeah.
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And again, like there’s no other
way.
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To develop things ways to combat
these viruses, infect and
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different kinds of infections
than studying the germs in,
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like, the viruses, and the
bacteria that cause those
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infections like it.
That’s the only way to do it.
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Really.
You can’t do it without them.
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Yeah, it’s one of those things
where you got to weigh the risks
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against the benefits, right?
Like yes.
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There’s some risk but the
benefits of knowing how these
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things work.
Should they get out at some?
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Point are obviously going to
outweigh those risks.
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Well and also you know, if you
think about like what is in the
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government’s best interest and
you know even just on the
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financial level, like the
pandemic has been disastrous for
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our our country’s economy.
And so they’re going to have.
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If we do have these facilities
that are studying, you know,
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viruses and you know, These
different kinds of things, the
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security on these things is
going to be insanely tight
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because the the government in
charge doesn’t want an outbreak
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because it would cost a shit ton
of money and like be hugely
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damaging to whoever’s in like to
the president’s reputation like
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and everybody involved it would
just it just doesn’t make any
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sense for it to be any other
way.
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Yeah but that’s a running theme
with this series in general.
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That frustrates me is it always
comes back to well, why won’t
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the government Let us in to see
what’s going on.
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It’s like, right.
And that’s not how government
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works.
I mean, for sure.
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Yeah, especially with this Plum
Island thing every time he kept
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being like, I just want to, I
just want to go in and see
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what’s happening.
I just need to know what, what’s
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going on?
Let me, first of all, what do
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you know about disease?
You know, control, what do you
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know about it?
How would you be able to tell
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what’s happening in a lab like
this?
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And also if you think that
Developing these things.
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Why would you want to go into
there?
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Yeah, like it’s if it’s that
dangerous.
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Yeah, I imagine if you were
fighting to get in this place
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and they keep saying, no and
keep saying no, and then
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suddenly, they’re like, all
right, come in.
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I feel like at that point.
I’d be like, no, no, no.
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It’s going on.
I actually changed my mind.
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I’m sorry.
You’re not putting me in that
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room.
Like, I mean suppose seriously
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though.
So the next thing that happens
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in this episode, it’s time for a
patented team meeting.
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Yes, they have these all
throughout the episode,
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sometimes they kick off the
episode.
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Sometimes Jesse’s just in a
Starbucks and someone walks up
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and slides paper across the
table.
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And he brings that back to the
team meeting in this meeting.
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They’re talking about the
Montauk Monster.
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Yeah, I don’t want to completely
shoot this down, but like if
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you’ve ever seen like, It’s have
like done Composites of a
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raccoon image of a raccoon like
over the image of the Montauk
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Monster and it’s like 121 and,
you know, I just kind of know
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what dead animals look like and
what are you hiding?
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I know it but like it just looks
like a dead animal, you know,
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like why won’t you let me look
at your dad animals.
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Like again, I don’t want to be
like a total Downer but I don’t
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know, I just can’t go there on
the, on the Montauk Monster.
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I, that’s just one where I’m
like, this is just so,
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obviously, a raccoon, well, my
question with the Montauk
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Monster because the argument
people make is well, that
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escaped from Plum Island where
they’re tested animals, what
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would they be making that for
also, also this like this is why
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it’s weird that they brought it
up in this episode because
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they’ve the entire rest of the
episode is about, About bio
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weapons.
Basically and then they have
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this Montauk Monster thing which
is about like genetic
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engineering or something.
And like that’s just a totally
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different conspiracy theory.
Like it doesn’t really connect
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to the bio weapon aspect it
except that it involves animals.
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Yeah, it’s a it’s a confusing
tangent that’s for sure.
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That thing does look creepy when
we’re doing better.
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Most are fucking freaky.
Yeah, yeah.
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I don’t know, man.
Like I just, I just can’t go
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there on them and I love that
cryptozoology stuff.
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I think it’s cool like, but the
Montauk Monster is just it’s a
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dead animal.
It’s been rolling around in the
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surf.
It’s got all its 4 a.m. stripped
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off and it’s got the skull with
like missing teeth and a broken
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nose.
And it looks like it’s got the
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raccoon shake.
Like it’s got the little puffy
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but and so no coffee.
But it’s got the look.
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Like, not as cute because it’s
been decomposing in the ocean.
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They send June sarpong to Kansas
and I’m not sure why.
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Yeah, what’s she gonna do stop?
Like this isn’t the XL Pipeline
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and even if it was your not
enough protesters to stop him?
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Well yeah.
Like June is kind of like the
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field trip person.
Really she’s the one who always
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kind of goes to like meet
someone or you know, do some
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sort of Two places be discussed
in investigate and I think they
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just needed her to do something.
And so they stir out there.
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Meanwhile, Jesse and Alex get on
a plane to head to Plum Island,
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which was confusing, because it
seemed like they just drove
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there.
But or they were on a boat at
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one point.
I don’t, I don’t know why we
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even needed to know about the
plane Alex.
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The skeptic goes to the beach to
talk to a guy about the Montauk,
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Monster Nicholas cutting our.
Oh, he’s a local and he said
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he’s the first one who reported
Don, the Montauk Monster on his
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website and he thinks it’s a
hybrid animal.
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Sure some sort, but he also says
another, one washed on Shore.
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Yeah, like am animal, if you
will, right?
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Yeah.
Which again for what, right?
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Exactly, what’s the purpose of
that?
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It just for funds for kick sick
shit.
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The giggles, like, I don’t
understand we got hybrid animals
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and they can’t even cure cancer
yet, but that is my answer,
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they’re making bio weapons out
of hybrid animals.
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Infecting the hybrids with
hoof-and-mouth disease.
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Meanwhile, Jesse Ventura is
talking to Carl, Grossman a
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professor and investigative
journalist.
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And this is who brings up the
fact that Plum Island was
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started after World War 2 by a
former Nazi named Eric Traub.
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Yeah, and he was brought here
under Operation Paperclip, so
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that’s cool.
I know, it’s super dope, love
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love history, and his idea for
Plum Island was that he would be
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able to weaponize bugs.
He’s basically and here’s the
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thing, have you ever seen
wormwood did you watch the
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wormwood document?
No, I know we’ve talked about I
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do need to watch that.
That’s one that’s been on my
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list for too long.
One of the theories that comes
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up in wormwood is that we used
biological weapons in Korea and
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the type of weapons we used were
bombs that when they hit the
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ground instead of exploding,
they just kind of broke open and
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released weaponized bugs into
the area to introduce.
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Jesus to the area.
Yeah.
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So I don’t completely doubt
that.
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No, I mean, that would be an
efficient way to spread a
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weaponized disease.
Like that’s just what you know,
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that’s how the Bubonic plague
spread.
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So it makes sense.
That, that would be something
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under consideration but they
don’t really stay on that for
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long.
I don’t know.
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Maybe Jesse Ventura is never
heard that conspiracy maybe.
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But like a CIA did throw a guy
out.
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A window to keep it quiet.
We know that right?
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Yeah.
They said that he overdosed on
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LSD or so they said, they they
claimed, they gave him too much
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LSD and it drove him crazy and
he jumped out a window.
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And, you know, when the cia’s
taken responsibility for
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something like that, something
much much worse actually hang
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out until late.
Yeah, I think the reason why
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they don’t spend much time on
the flea thing is that they
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don’t really spend too much time
on any one detail of this.
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It’s kind of scatter shot.
It’s probably my biggest problem
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with the episode is it just kind
of jumps all over the place?
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Yeah.
That’s the problem with a series
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like this in general.
Like, when you’re getting into
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Area 51, yeah, which they do on
the next episode.
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There’s so much to talk about
and it’s like really, you’re
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going to knock this out in 40
minutes gonna be interesting.
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So Carl Grossman is very worried
about Al-Qaeda striking Plum
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Island and I am not and I never
was yeah.
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I’m yeah.
Now is why.
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I guess, you know, 2010 or
whenever this is made is I guess
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a Lightly more relevant time to
be worried about Al Qaeda.
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Now that’s why I’m years into
Obama.
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I think.
Yeah, I’ve been most most people
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were like, all right.
There’s not like I wasn’t afraid
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of al-Qaeda.
Like the day after 9/11 like I
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just that like I was like 14
years old and I was like, this
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is a one and done, right?
The seems like they probably
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shot their wad on this.
This is huge.
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Yeah.
Nothing else is really gonna
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impress?
After nice less actually.
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I mean like we had like the
plug-in Anthrax shit, which
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turned out to be like everything
we’ve had since then has been
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domestic terrorism.
Yeah, it’s been every major
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incident since 9/11.
So.
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Yeah, I am not personally afraid
of Al Qaeda or Isis, or
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whoever’s the big one now.
Attacking Plum Island.
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Yeah, the anthrax attacks are a
very sad and interesting story.
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It’s like another Richard Jewell
story, basically.
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A bit.
Yeah, because they identify the
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suspect and named him publicly,
and then just kind of harass him
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until he finally kills himself,
I believe.
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And then almost as soon as he
died there, like, oh, are bad.
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It’s actually this other guy we
thank whoopsie.
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That’s their official.
Like, that was their press
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release.
It was just like, so sorry that
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office of the FBI.
Whoops.
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Little shrug emojis that we have
those back then, I think so.
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I don’t think.
So but they just did like that
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the written out one but like the
shasha’s.
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So next they get into the tick
Theory, right?
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This is a theory that’s been
around quite a while, it has.
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This is one that this is an
example of what you were talking
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about, where you’re really
getting into a complex Theory
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with this tick thing, right?
To just gloss over it in the
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course of this episode is Bad
planning.
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If nothing else.
Because this should be its own
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episode, it’s yes, very strange
Theory which its kind of the
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same thing which is that in this
case Lyme disease, escaped from
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a facility, I believe Plum
Island and made its way to
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Connecticut and then spread to
the rest of the world.
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Yeah.
And there’s been a lot of back
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and forth on this Theory.
Well, over the years, I think
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the biggest forth and probably
the reason why they’re not going
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to they wouldn’t Full episode on
it.
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Is that like there were reported
cases of Lyme disease before
430
00:24:56,400 –> 00:24:59,000
like this was before Plum Island
existed.
431
00:24:59,100 –> 00:25:02,800
Yeah, there’s that.
But also the way technicality,
432
00:25:03,000 –> 00:25:08,200
but the way it popped up in the
region when it did and how it
433
00:25:08,200 –> 00:25:10,200
did.
There’s like, yeah, I mean,
434
00:25:10,200 –> 00:25:13,500
obviously there’s that
contention, but there are, I
435
00:25:13,508 –> 00:25:16,900
think we’ve done an episode on
it, but there are answers to
436
00:25:16,900 –> 00:25:21,900
that contention also, like sure
I wouldn’t be Surprised.
437
00:25:21,900 –> 00:25:25,100
If something like it’s a thing
that can happen.
438
00:25:25,100 –> 00:25:28,000
Like things can estate.
I mean facilities like this.
439
00:25:28,200 –> 00:25:31,600
I mean, that’s that’s true.
And again, I’m not going to say
440
00:25:31,600 –> 00:25:34,700
it, you know, when it comes to
the government, doing heinous
441
00:25:34,700 –> 00:25:38,500
things, that anything basically
is off the table.
442
00:25:38,500 –> 00:25:43,500
But like, for me, like just the
the fact that Plum Island didn’t
443
00:25:43,500 –> 00:25:47,600
even exist when the first cases
of Lyme disease were documented,
444
00:25:47,600 –> 00:25:50,500
is just that’s just kind of an
open-and-shut thing for me.
445
00:25:50,600 –> 00:25:52,700
That’s that’s a tough one to
overcome.
446
00:25:52,800 –> 00:25:56,700
Well, what if they were studying
Lyme disease in that facility?
447
00:25:56,800 –> 00:26:01,000
What if they had been able to
get access to Lyme disease?
448
00:26:01,000 –> 00:26:03,500
Which yeah, there had been cases
of it before, right?
449
00:26:03,500 –> 00:26:06,400
So there’s studying it and so
you’re saying, like, that’s why
450
00:26:06,400 –> 00:26:11,200
I goes for my thing that existed
to being in, I concentrated out
451
00:26:11,200 –> 00:26:16,600
certain one area, and that’s
that’s a fine like that.
452
00:26:16,600 –> 00:26:20,300
I understand how that could
happen, but that’s not really
453
00:26:20,300 –> 00:26:23,700
the The theory that this show
pause like posits or that the
454
00:26:23,700 –> 00:26:27,400
biggest theory is in the theory
that most people say about Lyme
455
00:26:27,400 –> 00:26:30,800
disease with Plum Island is that
they created Lyme disease at
456
00:26:30,800 –> 00:26:32,800
Plum Island.
That’s like what this guy is
457
00:26:32,800 –> 00:26:38,600
saying and what the major theory
is, and that is just, it can’t
458
00:26:38,600 –> 00:26:40,600
be true, right that?
I mean, yeah.
459
00:26:40,600 –> 00:26:42,200
But those are two different
theories.
460
00:26:42,200 –> 00:26:46,300
No, I don’t think might have
escaped and that something was
461
00:26:46,300 –> 00:26:48,800
intentionally released as a bio
weapon.
462
00:26:48,800 –> 00:26:51,200
Those that’s two different.
Thanks.
463
00:26:51,300 –> 00:26:53,500
Oh no, totally.
I agree.
464
00:26:54,300 –> 00:26:59,200
But I just said, I at least what
I understood from from what this
465
00:26:59,200 –> 00:27:03,100
guy was saying is he’s of the
camp that believes that it was
466
00:27:03,100 –> 00:27:05,300
created there.
And that’s kind of what they’re
467
00:27:05,300 –> 00:27:06,500
implying.
Yeah.
468
00:27:06,500 –> 00:27:09,700
With a lot of this and I just
that it can’t be true.
469
00:27:09,700 –> 00:27:14,500
So yeah, I wouldn’t be inclined
to believe that, but I do
470
00:27:14,500 –> 00:27:17,200
believe if it’s something that
escaped the government would
471
00:27:17,200 –> 00:27:21,400
have a very vested interest in
covering That up because they
472
00:27:21,400 –> 00:27:24,700
absolutely for the financial
liability if nothing else,
473
00:27:24,700 –> 00:27:26,300
right?
Yeah, well, I mean that that’s
474
00:27:26,300 –> 00:27:27,800
what we were talking about
earlier Lyme disease.
475
00:27:27,800 –> 00:27:31,400
Almost broke up Hall & Oates,
how dare you this?
476
00:27:31,400 –> 00:27:33,800
The federal government encroach
on our rights.
477
00:27:33,800 –> 00:27:36,100
Like that.
Yeah, that alone would have
478
00:27:36,100 –> 00:27:41,400
caused a fucking riot.
Yeah. 1979 the cost to the
479
00:27:41,400 –> 00:27:42,700
economy.
Come on.
480
00:27:42,800 –> 00:27:45,800
Exactly.
Exactly in the world.
481
00:27:46,000 –> 00:27:50,400
I mean, and in look and Lyme
diseases fucking horrific and
482
00:27:50,700 –> 00:27:55,100
You know, again, I wouldn’t be
like that’s also a disease that
483
00:27:55,100 –> 00:27:58,900
you would probably study as a
like, an animal disease.
484
00:27:59,100 –> 00:28:00,700
Yeah.
Center that makes sense.
485
00:28:00,700 –> 00:28:03,300
Well yeah, because ticks are
going to mostly transmitted I
486
00:28:03,300 –> 00:28:06,600
think in families can track the
form of it, right?
487
00:28:06,600 –> 00:28:08,400
Yeah.
Like probably so, yeah.
488
00:28:08,400 –> 00:28:13,200
They also get into suggesting
that there are human experiments
489
00:28:13,200 –> 00:28:16,500
happening Ron.
Yeah, well, I’m Island and it’s
490
00:28:16,500 –> 00:28:20,200
on account of how this body
washed ashore and it had weird
491
00:28:20,200 –> 00:28:22,800
elongated.
Elongated fingers, right?
492
00:28:22,900 –> 00:28:27,300
And there are newspapers,
articles out there about this
493
00:28:27,300 –> 00:28:29,600
body washing up, but I don’t
know.
494
00:28:29,700 –> 00:28:33,100
People, there’s there was a
lobster boy was a real boy,
495
00:28:33,200 –> 00:28:35,100
right?
And he was a man who got
496
00:28:35,100 –> 00:28:39,000
murdered by his wife, in a
murder-for-hire plot, after she
497
00:28:39,000 –> 00:28:42,700
left him married, the world’s
smallest, man, and then divorced
498
00:28:42,700 –> 00:28:44,000
him and went back to Lobster
boy.
499
00:28:44,000 –> 00:28:47,100
That’s all true.
Wow, yeah, no, I mean, the world
500
00:28:47,100 –> 00:28:50,400
is a strange and wondrous Place
imaginable happened.
501
00:28:50,600 –> 00:28:53,700
Salaam Islands.
Exactly yes, Lobster boy born at
502
00:28:53,700 –> 00:28:59,800
Palm Island but like you know
again we’re talking about a dead
503
00:28:59,800 –> 00:29:01,700
body.
That’s been rolling around in
504
00:29:01,700 –> 00:29:05,200
the ocean for a while.
It’s probably going to look
505
00:29:05,200 –> 00:29:07,900
pretty fucking weird.
I think any of us would look
506
00:29:07,900 –> 00:29:10,900
pretty fucking weird.
Next they do a thing.
507
00:29:10,900 –> 00:29:15,300
A really signature thing of this
this series in general, where
508
00:29:15,300 –> 00:29:17,700
they go to get answers from
someone who you should know
509
00:29:17,700 –> 00:29:20,000
ahead of time is not going to be
in a position to give you
510
00:29:20,000 –> 00:29:22,100
answers.
Sirs and in this case Alex the
511
00:29:22,100 –> 00:29:26,500
skeptic heads to a local police
department to ask about the
512
00:29:26,500 –> 00:29:28,500
Montauk Monster.
That’s like man.
513
00:29:28,500 –> 00:29:32,000
If that was a real animal hybrid
that escaped from a government
514
00:29:32,000 –> 00:29:36,500
lab, these cops have been hit
with that Men In Black flashing
515
00:29:36,500 –> 00:29:39,400
thing.
He’s hardly the time ago, you
516
00:29:39,400 –> 00:29:44,800
think the Montauk Police
Department like their biggest
517
00:29:44,800 –> 00:29:48,900
struggle is dealing with like
some drunk millionaire who’s
518
00:29:48,900 –> 00:29:52,200
like causing a riot.
At Cracker Barrel and like they
519
00:29:52,200 –> 00:29:56,700
just aren’t I feel like gonna be
a real big help in this
520
00:29:56,700 –> 00:29:59,300
situation.
Yeah they’re not going to be in
521
00:29:59,300 –> 00:30:01,400
a position to jeopardize that
job.
522
00:30:01,400 –> 00:30:05,900
That’s for sure, Glee.
So then they go talk to Randy
523
00:30:05,900 –> 00:30:08,900
Sykes.
Mmm who contracted Lyme disease
524
00:30:08,900 –> 00:30:12,100
15 years ago.
He believes it was created by
525
00:30:12,100 –> 00:30:15,200
the government and that they
were doing it to create a
526
00:30:15,200 –> 00:30:18,300
weapon.
And he says, he found the
527
00:30:18,300 –> 00:30:23,000
Smoking Gun which is a document
showing that the feds are
528
00:30:23,000 –> 00:30:26,500
working on bio Warfare agents at
Plum Island.
529
00:30:26,800 –> 00:30:29,500
And that Lyme disease is one of
them.
530
00:30:29,600 –> 00:30:35,200
Yeah, I mean look II.
It’s terrible that this guy had
531
00:30:35,200 –> 00:30:37,900
Lyme disease.
It’s really, like I said, that’s
532
00:30:37,900 –> 00:30:43,000
a vicious vicious disease, and
it’s understandable that when
533
00:30:43,000 –> 00:30:47,100
you have something that’s that,
debilitating, you want answers?
534
00:30:47,100 –> 00:30:50,400
Like this is something we run.
You know, the first episode that
535
00:30:50,400 –> 00:30:55,600
we talked about of this show was
911 and they had, oh, I forgot
536
00:30:55,600 –> 00:31:00,200
they had a woman who was like
the mother of one of the 9/11
537
00:31:00,200 –> 00:31:03,400
victims and it’s like, yeah, I
understand how sub 1.
538
00:31:03,600 –> 00:31:08,400
In that position, might turn to,
you know, some sort of theory
539
00:31:08,400 –> 00:31:12,900
that can give closure to them.
But like I said, I mean, like
540
00:31:12,900 –> 00:31:15,600
this document, what were the
this document come from?
541
00:31:15,900 –> 00:31:18,000
Like how do we know that it’s
real.
542
00:31:18,100 –> 00:31:21,800
That’s the thing.
Whenever they talk to anyone
543
00:31:21,800 –> 00:31:26,900
like this, on this show, it’s
like, well, where did Randy get
544
00:31:26,900 –> 00:31:30,000
that, right?
He’s like a, with all the
545
00:31:30,300 –> 00:31:35,700
journalists and investigative.
Of reporters and whatever in the
546
00:31:35,700 –> 00:31:40,600
world intelligence agencies, how
did Randy get it?
547
00:31:40,900 –> 00:31:44,200
Because he’s innocent, we talked
about this documentary all the
548
00:31:44,200 –> 00:31:47,400
time, called Mirage Men.
Yeah, which is about a guy,
549
00:31:47,400 –> 00:31:52,700
whose job it was when someone
would find evidence of an actual
550
00:31:52,700 –> 00:31:56,600
thing, the government was
working on like a top-secret
551
00:31:56,600 –> 00:31:59,100
project.
He would go out to them and give
552
00:31:59,100 –> 00:32:02,400
them additional evidence.
That was fake.
553
00:32:02,500 –> 00:32:06,300
So then, Would go publish that
and then the government could
554
00:32:06,300 –> 00:32:08,800
just be like, no, this is very
demonstrable, a false.
555
00:32:09,000 –> 00:32:11,200
This person is crazy, don’t pay
attention to anything.
556
00:32:11,200 –> 00:32:15,400
They’re saying again, if Lyme
disease, just accidentally
557
00:32:15,400 –> 00:32:19,100
leaked, as opposed to being a
weapon, the government created,
558
00:32:19,100 –> 00:32:21,500
they’re going to have a whole
lot of liability if that comes
559
00:32:21,500 –> 00:32:23,400
out, right?
And one thing we know the
560
00:32:23,400 –> 00:32:26,500
government does is they will
send you on a whole other Trail.
561
00:32:26,500 –> 00:32:30,300
That’s not going to be provable
in order to hide that actual
562
00:32:30,300 –> 00:32:32,600
truth.
And for sure I would be
563
00:32:32,700 –> 00:32:35,800
suspicious That that might be
what’s happening here?
564
00:32:36,000 –> 00:32:40,700
I mean, possibly, but also like
thinking who’s Randy other than
565
00:32:40,700 –> 00:32:43,500
a guy who had Lyme disease?
Well, that’s that’s what I’m
566
00:32:43,500 –> 00:32:46,500
saying though.
Is they if he had been pushing
567
00:32:46,500 –> 00:32:49,200
this theory that Lyme disease is
a weapon, right?
568
00:32:49,300 –> 00:32:51,600
Someone could have just come to
him and been like our.
569
00:32:51,600 –> 00:32:54,500
Yep, here’s your proof.
Yeah, she go public with that
570
00:32:54,500 –> 00:32:59,300
and then now his whole focus is
this is weapon as opposed to.
571
00:32:59,400 –> 00:33:02,300
Oh no it wasn’t but the
government’s responsible for
572
00:33:02,300 –> 00:33:04,600
sure.
Well like and And just in
573
00:33:04,600 –> 00:33:07,800
general though.
Like and this is a problem,
574
00:33:07,800 –> 00:33:13,000
with, with the show is, I don’t
understand like Randy’s
575
00:33:13,300 –> 00:33:16,800
influence like how wide his
influences.
576
00:33:16,800 –> 00:33:21,700
I don’t know how well known he
is in any Community like any
577
00:33:21,700 –> 00:33:25,600
conspiracy Community or, you
know, the local community or
578
00:33:25,600 –> 00:33:29,000
anything.
And so, I also, he might just be
579
00:33:29,000 –> 00:33:33,300
saying, whatever and he’s like
the person with Lyme disease
580
00:33:33,500 –> 00:33:34,800
Those who believes in this
stuff?
581
00:33:34,800 –> 00:33:38,900
Who was willing to talk to them
or I mean, but I don’t know like
582
00:33:38,900 –> 00:33:42,600
it, he might not have even been
well-known enough to have gotten
583
00:33:42,600 –> 00:33:46,200
the visit by The Mirage but you
know, like it that isn’t even
584
00:33:46,200 –> 00:33:48,700
necessary.
Like he could just be a guy who
585
00:33:48,700 –> 00:33:50,400
made up this document.
I don’t know.
586
00:33:50,500 –> 00:33:56,100
Yeah I mean the possibilities
are endless but Andy Sykes.
587
00:33:56,200 –> 00:33:59,100
Yeah I looked it up.
There’s not that supporters.
588
00:33:59,100 –> 00:34:02,400
Watch out there about him.
Yeah, I don’t doubt that he’s
589
00:34:02,700 –> 00:34:05,500
like probably Kind of activist
when it comes to stuff like
590
00:34:05,500 –> 00:34:08,400
this, but I’m not what I’m
getting at is that is the kind
591
00:34:08,400 –> 00:34:11,900
of person the government would
Target with absolute
592
00:34:11,900 –> 00:34:15,699
misinformation, and be like,
yeah, you got your audience, go
593
00:34:15,699 –> 00:34:19,699
run with this stupid Theory as
opposed to what we don’t want
594
00:34:19,699 –> 00:34:21,600
you to know.
No, totally in that.
595
00:34:21,600 –> 00:34:24,800
And I agree with that, but, and
it’s for the same reason, like
596
00:34:24,900 –> 00:34:27,000
who the fuck’s Randy?
How’s he going to get his hands
597
00:34:27,000 –> 00:34:28,800
on shit like this?
Exactly.
598
00:34:29,600 –> 00:34:33,300
So now, Jesse and Alex, the
skeptic are getting on that.
599
00:34:33,500 –> 00:34:35,800
Boat.
So they can head to Plum Island,
600
00:34:35,800 –> 00:34:39,199
the boats called the coyote.
That’s it’s cute, and it’s cool,
601
00:34:39,300 –> 00:34:41,900
but then they get on the boat in
the captain refuses, to take him
602
00:34:42,199 –> 00:34:46,100
because police and Homeland,
Security, start showing up,
603
00:34:46,100 –> 00:34:47,800
right?
As they were about to pull off,
604
00:34:47,900 –> 00:34:50,100
they’re one step ahead of me at
all times.
605
00:34:51,000 –> 00:34:54,400
And for some reason, they cut
away from that, so we can go.
606
00:34:54,699 –> 00:34:57,600
So June sarpong, can talk to
some fucking guy.
607
00:34:57,900 –> 00:35:02,000
Yeah, Kansas yeah.
Again, this episode is so
608
00:35:02,000 –> 00:35:05,900
scattershot and He’s very
worried about hoof and mouth
609
00:35:05,900 –> 00:35:11,500
disease, which was super duper
in the news in 2010, but 2021
610
00:35:11,500 –> 00:35:14,600
and I feel like those fears were
a little unfounded for sure.
611
00:35:14,600 –> 00:35:17,500
I mean, again, this is a awful
disease.
612
00:35:17,500 –> 00:35:20,400
They, I would hate to have like
in and he won’t even get it.
613
00:35:20,400 –> 00:35:22,600
I don’t think humans can get it.
Can they wouldn’t?
614
00:35:22,600 –> 00:35:24,700
I believe so.
I believe there’s fits foot and
615
00:35:24,700 –> 00:35:27,200
mouth disease is the, but I
could be totally wrong.
616
00:35:27,200 –> 00:35:30,700
But also like engine.
Like I was saying at the top of
617
00:35:30,700 –> 00:35:34,700
the show, like the even if it’s
just something that Effects cows
618
00:35:34,700 –> 00:35:40,600
and livestock like that is could
be a huge crisis but ya know ya
619
00:35:40,600 –> 00:35:42,300
kid people can get it.
Yeah.
620
00:35:42,400 –> 00:35:47,300
Get it’s not as bad as in as in
animals but yeah, like if
621
00:35:47,300 –> 00:35:50,200
something were to happen to that
we would be fucked the editing.
622
00:35:50,200 –> 00:35:53,600
In this section is maddening,
they keep cutting back and forth
623
00:35:53,600 –> 00:35:57,200
between Jesse Ventura and June
sarpong there in completely
624
00:35:57,200 –> 00:35:59,500
different parts of the country
talking about completely
625
00:35:59,500 –> 00:36:01,700
different shit.
So now it’s back to Alex and
626
00:36:01,700 –> 00:36:04,800
Jesse they finally found a cat.
Then willing to take them to
627
00:36:04,800 –> 00:36:08,600
Plum Island real Renegade, it’s
got a skull and crossbones flag
628
00:36:08,600 –> 00:36:11,600
on his boat.
He’s a pirate essentially hell
629
00:36:11,600 –> 00:36:15,400
yeah he’s accompanied by a
former Plum Island employee
630
00:36:15,400 –> 00:36:20,500
named Jim McCoy who alleges he
was fired after threatening to
631
00:36:20,500 –> 00:36:22,800
blow the whistle on what they
were doing there.
632
00:36:22,800 –> 00:36:24,900
And this is where we learned the
boat.
633
00:36:24,900 –> 00:36:27,700
Chase was a lot less dramatic
than they made it out to be.
634
00:36:27,800 –> 00:36:29,400
Yeah.
It was and wasn’t so much a
635
00:36:29,400 –> 00:36:33,200
Chase as it was like two boats
passing in the night.
636
00:36:34,000 –> 00:36:37,500
Yeah, just two boats going out
to do their respective jobs,
637
00:36:37,800 –> 00:36:40,400
actually the the Coast Guard.
Yeah, they just followed him for
638
00:36:40,400 –> 00:36:43,800
a little bit, didn’t stop them.
Jesse Ventura at one point gets
639
00:36:43,800 –> 00:36:48,500
on the edge of the boat starts
shouting at him, that is just
640
00:36:48,500 –> 00:36:52,200
his Vibe like that.
Is it feels like he could start
641
00:36:52,200 –> 00:36:56,000
doing that at the drop of a hat
and basically in these situation
642
00:36:56,000 –> 00:36:59,900
and I don’t wish government
assassination on anyone, but God
643
00:36:59,900 –> 00:37:01,800
that would have been a funny
time for it.
644
00:37:01,900 –> 00:37:05,400
Yeah, that’s the Problem with
government assassins is they
645
00:37:05,400 –> 00:37:08,300
don’t have any comedic timing.
Exactly.
646
00:37:08,400 –> 00:37:11,100
Like they shot Kennedy while
he’s in a car.
647
00:37:11,100 –> 00:37:13,200
Yeah.
Next is next to his wife, have
648
00:37:13,200 –> 00:37:15,000
some respect.
Yeah.
649
00:37:15,000 –> 00:37:19,100
Like you could there’s so many
funnier moments to kill JFK.
650
00:37:19,100 –> 00:37:20,800
Like how about while he’s
banging.
651
00:37:20,800 –> 00:37:29,000
Marilyn Monroe, right?
Uh anyway way moving on so Jim
652
00:37:29,000 –> 00:37:32,700
McCoy he says he interrupted a
meeting at the administration
653
00:37:32,700 –> 00:37:35,200
building.
While working at Plum Island and
654
00:37:35,200 –> 00:37:38,900
it sounds like maybe that’s why
he got fired for crashing.
655
00:37:38,900 –> 00:37:43,300
This meeting as opposed to
asking, you know, he asked about
656
00:37:43,300 –> 00:37:46,800
security and monitoring inside
the bio containment area, so it
657
00:37:46,808 –> 00:37:49,000
sounds like he just kicked in
the door of this meeting.
658
00:37:49,000 –> 00:37:52,700
It was like, I have questions.
Yeah.
659
00:37:52,900 –> 00:37:55,300
You like it basically any
workplace.
660
00:37:55,600 –> 00:38:00,000
If you barged in on a managerial
meaning and we’re like, look, I
661
00:38:00,008 –> 00:38:03,300
have some very serious concerns
about the security at this.
662
00:38:03,400 –> 00:38:06,500
We theater would fucking fire
you.
663
00:38:06,600 –> 00:38:08,200
Yeah.
They’re gonna be like HR will
664
00:38:08,200 –> 00:38:09,700
address them, right.
Yeah.
665
00:38:10,900 –> 00:38:16,200
But he says that for bringing
all this all these questions up
666
00:38:16,200 –> 00:38:21,500
he was fired but who knows?
Yeah and then there’s just so
667
00:38:21,500 –> 00:38:26,300
many people out here who are
just say shit and then provide
668
00:38:26,300 –> 00:38:29,200
no evidence and then you’re just
like, who knows?
669
00:38:29,200 –> 00:38:31,200
I don’t know.
Yeah, it’s a big part of this
670
00:38:31,200 –> 00:38:34,800
series in general.
So so Coast Guard shows up
671
00:38:34,800 –> 00:38:37,300
again, so they decide they need
to leave.
672
00:38:37,500 –> 00:38:40,900
He’s very mad that as a former
Governor, he’s not allowed
673
00:38:40,900 –> 00:38:44,400
access to Plum Island.
As we discussed, how come we.
674
00:38:44,400 –> 00:38:46,500
The people aren’t the boss
anymore.
675
00:38:46,800 –> 00:38:51,100
We are the ones paying salaries
of these people and they deprive
676
00:38:51,100 –> 00:38:54,600
us of letting us know what they
do on this island.
677
00:38:54,800 –> 00:38:57,500
And and you know what, he’s
right, they should just let
678
00:38:57,500 –> 00:39:00,500
anyone into the war room.
They should just you should just
679
00:39:00,500 –> 00:39:03,200
have like a Velvet Rope that you
can stand behind and watch.
680
00:39:03,500 –> 00:39:07,800
The top secret meetings, they
you couldn’t go to Buffalo Wild
681
00:39:07,800 –> 00:39:11,600
Wings headquarters in, do that.
That is so true.
682
00:39:11,900 –> 00:39:16,200
There’s basically no, like, like
there’s security at every
683
00:39:16,200 –> 00:39:20,000
corporate headquarters, every
building, every major skyscraper
684
00:39:20,000 –> 00:39:23,000
has fucking security.
And here’s how I know that
685
00:39:23,000 –> 00:39:27,900
because I have a friend in Clint
who was absolutely obsessed with
686
00:39:27,900 –> 00:39:32,300
Buffalo Wild Wings, he would go
multiple times a week, he would
687
00:39:32,300 –> 00:39:36,000
buy like Words of dollars in
gift cards around Christmas.
688
00:39:36,200 –> 00:39:40,800
Because if you bought like $25
worth, you got a five dollar
689
00:39:40,800 –> 00:39:43,600
gift card so it was like just
free money.
690
00:39:43,600 –> 00:39:46,100
He could spend at Buffalo Wild
Wings, right?
691
00:39:46,100 –> 00:39:48,700
At one point there, their
headquarters is in Minneapolis
692
00:39:48,900 –> 00:39:52,600
and at one point, he called them
and was like, look, I’m an
693
00:39:52,600 –> 00:39:57,000
investor which he is.
He was like, I love the store.
694
00:39:57,000 –> 00:39:59,300
What do you say?
I get like a tour, the the
695
00:39:59,300 –> 00:40:01,800
headquarters, and like the test
kitchen and stuff like that.
696
00:40:01,800 –> 00:40:04,300
And they were like, absolutely
Not?
697
00:40:05,400 –> 00:40:07,700
Who do you think you are?
Uh-huh.
698
00:40:07,700 –> 00:40:11,100
That’s extremely funny.
I saw of Clint can’t get into
699
00:40:11,500 –> 00:40:13,000
B-Dubs.
Hm.
700
00:40:13,000 –> 00:40:16,000
You Jesse Ventura is not getting
into Plum Island.
701
00:40:16,000 –> 00:40:18,300
I mean, think about it.
Nobody could get into Willy
702
00:40:18,300 –> 00:40:22,300
Wonka’s chocolate factory for
decades after he closed the
703
00:40:22,300 –> 00:40:23,500
gates.
Exactly.
704
00:40:23,600 –> 00:40:27,200
No one went in or out.
You gotta have that bio weapon
705
00:40:27,200 –> 00:40:29,200
ticket to get in the plum.
I late.
706
00:40:29,500 –> 00:40:32,100
Yeah.
The the radioactive ticket.
707
00:40:32,200 –> 00:40:36,700
So they Jesse Ventura goes to
ask some questions.
708
00:40:37,000 –> 00:40:38,700
He loves talking to a
congressman.
709
00:40:38,800 –> 00:40:40,900
Yeah.
Because it’s accessible yet.
710
00:40:40,900 –> 00:40:43,300
Like the congressman got time.
Yeah.
711
00:40:43,500 –> 00:40:46,300
There’s there’s going to be a
another one in the next episode.
712
00:40:46,500 –> 00:40:49,600
Yeah, he goes.
And talks to Congressman Timothy
713
00:40:49,600 –> 00:40:51,900
Bishop.
He brings up all this stuff
714
00:40:51,900 –> 00:40:53,800
about Plum Island like the Nazi
thing.
715
00:40:53,800 –> 00:40:56,900
That’s great.
But what’s Timothy Bishop gonna
716
00:40:56,900 –> 00:40:58,600
do like he?
Yeah, he doesn’t.
717
00:40:58,600 –> 00:41:01,000
He’s not, he doesn’t have any
answers.
718
00:41:01,000 –> 00:41:03,800
Like, he just says he trusts
what the Awesome.
719
00:41:03,900 –> 00:41:09,600
It’s like yeah, she does which
fucking pissed Jesse up here.
720
00:41:09,600 –> 00:41:13,000
Yes, he did that like he repeats
that line 5.
721
00:41:13,000 –> 00:41:15,900
This is the very end of the
episode and at least five more
722
00:41:15,900 –> 00:41:21,100
times after this he says but I
guess I’m just not the type to
723
00:41:21,100 –> 00:41:26,700
believe whatever the government
tells me like that really got
724
00:41:26,700 –> 00:41:30,000
under his skin.
He was he was all over that one.
725
00:41:30,100 –> 00:41:34,200
I did edit an older episode of
this podcast Recently, I think
726
00:41:34,200 –> 00:41:37,300
you were on it danger Van.
Gorder was on it and I think
727
00:41:37,300 –> 00:41:42,000
Rivers Langley one point.
Danger said, he’s pretty sure.
728
00:41:42,000 –> 00:41:46,200
We know everything bad the
government has done because of
729
00:41:46,200 –> 00:41:48,400
the Freedom of Information Act
request.
730
00:41:48,400 –> 00:41:51,300
Uh-huh.
And the room exploded in and
731
00:41:52,100 –> 00:41:54,400
everyone was like, what the
fuck?
732
00:41:54,400 –> 00:41:58,200
Are you talking about?
You think we know everything
733
00:41:58,200 –> 00:42:00,600
because of the Freedom of
Information Act request?
734
00:42:00,600 –> 00:42:02,200
God, here’s the thing about
danger.
735
00:42:02,500 –> 00:42:05,400
He has Run for office a couple
times.
736
00:42:05,400 –> 00:42:09,300
So it’s job to be like.
Yeah man government works
737
00:42:09,300 –> 00:42:11,100
exactly like they say it does
exactly.
738
00:42:11,100 –> 00:42:14,300
Yeah, I don’t know if I was on
that episode but I do work
739
00:42:14,300 –> 00:42:17,900
definitely jump to a bunch of
retorts to that.
740
00:42:17,900 –> 00:42:21,500
As soon as you said it’s like
wait a minute.
741
00:42:21,500 –> 00:42:25,900
What the me know, everything.
It was like, a 50 year like gap
742
00:42:25,900 –> 00:42:26,800
on for.
Yeah.
743
00:42:26,800 –> 00:42:29,200
You got the like, have a bunch
of time.
744
00:42:29,400 –> 00:42:32,200
So yeah.
They talk about Plum Island.
745
00:42:32,200 –> 00:42:34,800
Some more with this.
Congressman he just talks to
746
00:42:34,808 –> 00:42:36,900
more people.
I don’t know nothing yet.
747
00:42:37,300 –> 00:42:39,900
Nothing really happens.
It’s after he goes to the
748
00:42:39,900 –> 00:42:41,900
congressman.
That’s basically it.
749
00:42:41,900 –> 00:42:45,200
Like he talks to the like one or
two more people about the same
750
00:42:45,200 –> 00:42:47,700
shit and just keeps repeating,
you know.
751
00:42:47,700 –> 00:42:51,000
Maybe some people would believe
what the government tells them,
752
00:42:51,000 –> 00:42:53,700
but I’m going to keep asking
questions.
753
00:42:54,500 –> 00:42:57,000
I love that.
The last line is.
754
00:42:57,400 –> 00:43:01,000
If you have a pet, make sure to
check it for ticks, that’s just
755
00:43:01,000 –> 00:43:03,000
good advice.
You could like, Bob Barker the
756
00:43:03,400 –> 00:43:07,000
Every episode way back.
I was just about to say is just
757
00:43:07,000 –> 00:43:09,500
like Bob, Barker telling you is
spay and neuter.
758
00:43:09,900 –> 00:43:11,400
That’s so funny.
No idle.
759
00:43:11,400 –> 00:43:15,200
Evan was an inside job.
Check your pets for ticks.
760
00:43:16,000 –> 00:43:17,600
Yeah.
That should just be his regular
761
00:43:17,600 –> 00:43:20,200
sign off.
Be great.
762
00:43:20,400 –> 00:43:23,400
That’s gonna be the sign off of
this podcast from now on.
763
00:43:23,400 –> 00:43:25,300
Yeah.
Check your pets for ticks
764
00:43:25,300 –> 00:43:27,300
everybody.
So that’s the end of the
765
00:43:27,300 –> 00:43:29,500
episode.
Jesse Ventura is very angry.
766
00:43:29,500 –> 00:43:32,100
Yeah, Plum Island.
I don’t know.
767
00:43:32,300 –> 00:43:34,900
Yeah.
I don’t doubt that we’re working
768
00:43:34,900 –> 00:43:38,700
on bio weapons somewhere.
Maybe it’s at Plum Island, maybe
769
00:43:38,700 –> 00:43:41,500
it’s not.
Yeah, I just I really don’t
770
00:43:41,500 –> 00:43:47,100
think off the coast of like the
Hamptons is going to be a place
771
00:43:47,100 –> 00:43:50,500
where they put a bio weapons
facility because there’s a lot
772
00:43:50,500 –> 00:43:54,800
of rich people and rich, people
will fucking destroy the
773
00:43:54,800 –> 00:43:57,100
government.
If they can, yeah, it would be a
774
00:43:57,100 –> 00:44:00,000
risky place to put it.
We would almost certainly put it
775
00:44:00,000 –> 00:44:02,200
in another country.
That’s what I’m saying.
776
00:44:02,200 –> 00:44:04,900
Exactly, right.
It’s Probably in one of those
777
00:44:04,900 –> 00:44:07,600
Pacific Islands that we send all
the spam to.
778
00:44:07,800 –> 00:44:12,700
Yeah, we’re it’s yeah, exactly.
It’s probably fucking Guantanamo
779
00:44:12,700 –> 00:44:15,000
like, you know, yeah.
Who knows?
780
00:44:15,000 –> 00:44:17,000
I don’t know.
Like I’m not saying that the
781
00:44:17,000 –> 00:44:20,700
government isn’t doing awful
shit but Palm Island.
782
00:44:20,900 –> 00:44:24,500
You know, we do need places to
study animal diseases.
783
00:44:24,500 –> 00:44:27,900
It’s an important field of work
and if all that’s ever washed,
784
00:44:27,900 –> 00:44:31,300
ashore is Lyme disease in a
weird-looking raccoon given how
785
00:44:31,300 –> 00:44:33,100
long it’s been there?
That’s not bad.
786
00:44:33,500 –> 00:44:36,000
Exactly.
Yeah, I mean oh there is one
787
00:44:36,000 –> 00:44:37,700
thing.
The one thing we didn’t talk
788
00:44:37,700 –> 00:44:43,300
about is that like some I can’t
remember which guy tells a story
789
00:44:43,300 –> 00:44:46,500
about a cow breaking loose from
the facility.
790
00:44:46,500 –> 00:44:51,300
Oh yeah, infecting all of the
other cows in in the pin.
791
00:44:51,300 –> 00:44:56,100
And so they had to kill all of
the cows and they make it sound
792
00:44:56,100 –> 00:45:00,100
like this is like horrific.
Like this is like, you know,
793
00:45:00,100 –> 00:45:01,400
government corruption gone
while.
794
00:45:01,400 –> 00:45:05,200
I’m like, that’s what.
Lee any form would do?
795
00:45:05,300 –> 00:45:08,700
You can’t keep them alive?
Yeah, that I am when they said
796
00:45:08,700 –> 00:45:11,200
that I was like I imagine that
happens all the time.
797
00:45:11,200 –> 00:45:13,600
Exactly.
One, like if one cow makes a
798
00:45:13,600 –> 00:45:17,000
bunch of cows sick then, right?
That’s a good way to spread it.
799
00:45:17,000 –> 00:45:18,300
You’re going to kill them
anyway.
800
00:45:18,600 –> 00:45:20,400
Right.
There’s, there’s not really any
801
00:45:20,400 –> 00:45:23,800
other way to handle that
situation, honestly.
802
00:45:24,000 –> 00:45:26,100
Like, you know, it’s
unfortunate.
803
00:45:26,100 –> 00:45:29,800
But true, you handle it with a
well-thought-out campaign of
804
00:45:29,800 –> 00:45:32,500
awareness on social media.
Yeah, exactly.
805
00:45:32,500 –> 00:45:34,800
Yeah, it felt all the cows to
wash their hands.
806
00:45:37,100 –> 00:45:42,400
So that’s the episode next week.
I think I’m doing I’m going to
807
00:45:42,400 –> 00:45:45,500
finish out the.
I’ve been doing some solo
808
00:45:45,500 –> 00:45:49,800
episodes about a book called the
CIA and the cult of intelligence
809
00:45:50,000 –> 00:45:51,800
because I’m not going to ask
people to read a whole fucking
810
00:45:51,800 –> 00:45:59,500
book and then we will continue
this series after that with part
811
00:45:59,500 –> 00:46:02,800
to Area 51.
Which how did that money come up
812
00:46:02,800 –> 00:46:04,700
on season?
In one that’s such a big one
813
00:46:05,000 –> 00:46:09,100
seriously that that’s wild.
They must have been like we’ll
814
00:46:09,100 –> 00:46:13,000
wait till we have a bigger
budget in the second season so
815
00:46:13,000 –> 00:46:17,100
they can storm Area 51.
Exactly surprised that exact
816
00:46:17,100 –> 00:46:19,700
phrase isn’t used at all in that
episode, right?
817
00:46:19,700 –> 00:46:22,700
Yeah.
Jesse Ventura and Naruto runs
818
00:46:22,700 –> 00:46:28,400
into this area 51.
So until then do we have
819
00:46:28,400 –> 00:46:31,000
anything to plug Olivia?
How about you?
820
00:46:31,400 –> 00:46:32,900
You can find me on Twitter at.
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821
00:46:32,900 –> 00:46:36,200
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822
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823
00:46:41,100 –> 00:46:43,000
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824
00:46:43,100 –> 00:46:47,500
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825
00:46:47,500 –> 00:46:48,700
that’s it.
Let’s get the fuck out of here.
826
00:46:48,700 –> 00:46:51,500
Olivia say goodbye, I goodbye
everybody.
827
00:46:51,500 –> 00:46:52,000
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