Conspiracy! The Show 211: The GM Streetcar Conspiracy

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Welcome to conspiracy the show.
The world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast with
your host, Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia haydar
Hey everybody, Welcome to

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conspiracy to show.
I’m Adam Todd Brown.

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Oh, and I’m Olivia hide our.
I saw that Olivia was coughing

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in that moment, so I decided to
make it worse and wait for a

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response.
Olivia, how’s it going?

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Oh, it’s going great.
I was just coughing, but I’ve

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got a mic with a mute button on
it now, so the listeners don’t

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have to hear that now.
Yeah.

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I have a mute button but I’d
have to reach for it and I’m not

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going to do that.
I’ll just make whoever edits

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this edit out.
My coughs.

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Hey, a very, very rare guest on
conspiracy to show.

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Well, rare in that, we don’t
often have guests on this

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podcast because you know, Olivia
don’t need no fucking help.

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You know what I’m saying, we can
carry this shit.

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But sometimes we have a topic
that seems like it might strike

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a chord with someone, I know
hahaha that’s like a Alec

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reference, which is appropriate.
Because, danger, Van, Gorder is

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here and he’s in a band.
I everybody, yeah.

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We like my van, don’t we?
We love your band, but we’re not

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here to talk about your music.
Maybe at one point for a little

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while.
Yes, don’t get me wrong.

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There will be an extended
period, where danger talks about

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his music.
But danger also went to school

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to be an urban planner.
Yep.

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Which he’s mentioned a timer to
on various on pops Network

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podcasts.
It’s true.

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And I think Our topic today
lends itself to that expertise?

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Absolutely.
I mean in our circles are called

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it expertise but you know you’re
not an urban planners fine.

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It’s fine.
Oh yeah, I’ll call it whatever I

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want.
I call it sabotage.

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Thank you, deep internet
reference there.

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So, yeah, we’re talking about, I
mean, we’re kind of talking

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about Who Framed Roger Rabbit in
that, that’s why I watched that

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movie and nothing else.
Yeah, that’s actually.

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Yeah, we’re talking about is Who
Framed, Roger Rabbit, how crazy

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would that be?
What?

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The seamless blend between
animation and live action?

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It’s a fantastic necklace.
Is a Pioneer.

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The dude playing Roger Rabbit
showed up in costume every day

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to perform lines off camera?
That’s wonderful.

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It is.
What’s that costume?

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Look like though?
I bet it was rabbit ears, a

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large boat.
I like some red overalls, I

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guess overall is.
I was thinking.

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Yeah.
Is there was makeup involved?

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I guarantee it was Nightmare
fuel but there’s no way.

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There is no way, there is makeup
at fault.

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We’re talking about what is
essentially, the real-life story

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behind the events depicted in
Who Framed, Roger Rabbit, more

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commonly called the GM streetcar
conspiracy.

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This is how General Motors in
concert with a few other

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corporations effectively
dismantled?

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What was a very robust public
transportation system in this

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nation.
Ashen.

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A lot of this is based on a 1996
PBS documentary called taken for

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a ride at least a lot of what
was that documentary 1996.

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But it seems much much it does
production values have gone up a

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lot since then man look it was
public television.

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It’s gonna be a few years behind
the curve but it was definitely.

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It was a very vaporwave but it’s
Transportation documentary.

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It’s also in will link to it.
You can watch it for free on

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YouTube and it’s very
interesting and what I like

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about it.
Is it from those days gone by of

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documentaries?
When a documentary would be

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exactly as long as it needed to
be sure.

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If this came out today, it would
be eight episodes on Netflix and

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it would be excruciating to get
through all of it, but this,

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yeah, 55 season 2, Tiger King is
trash, and I hate it so much and

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it is in part what I’m talking
about when I say that.

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But yeah, it is ever seen, isn’t
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Trash documentary, about garbage
people who all deserve to be

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eaten by tigers.
But the only one who gets eaten

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by a tiger is like some poor
fucking worker there anyway.

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Is that how it always goes?
Yes, we’re talking about this

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documentary taken for a ride.
It’s 55 minutes long as what I

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was getting at with all three on
YouTube.

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Yep.
Free on YouTube.

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It’s very depressing to watch
because it was made in 1996 and

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nothing.
With regards to this topic has

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changed.
In the intervening, 24 years, 25

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years, or whatever long or if it
has gotten worse, everything

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they complain about is something
that still sucks and is indeed

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worse now, and everybody’s like,
I remember when we used to ride

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the electric motor cars up and
down Broadway, and we’d get

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there fast and you’d talk to
your neighbors and nothing

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smelled and you trust people on
those electric conveyance, isn’t

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it?
Everything was fine, smooth, and

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reliable service.
And then they like and over the

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course of six months, they
became these noxious.

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Fart Factory buses that were
just privately owned and that

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was the difference.
Yeah, it’s especially depressing

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watching this, while living in
La.

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Yeah, because they talk about
how Ela used to have this very

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robust public transportation
system and that is definitely

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not the case.
Now if you live in LA and you

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have to get anywhere of any
significant distance and use

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public transportation, You got a
long day ahead?

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He’s like two hours.
Yeah, yeah, basically this.

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Yeah, this documentary is like,
hey, do you hate traffic?

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This is the reason why traffic
even exist is GM wanted to sell

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a few more cars.
So in order to do that, they had

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to get rid of systems that
worked for the public and that

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we’re low cost and helpful in
reliable and clean.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And so, it all starts.
I mean, the documentary itself

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starts with this cartoon that GM
put out.

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In 1957 that envisioned the
world in the year 2000 and we

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all got cars, the kids got cars,
the dogs, got a car children,

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have cars, stuff or four car,
garage?

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Like what happens if they have
another kid you have to add on

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to the garage?
Yes, I think that’s the idea.

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Insanely planning was robustly.
Encouraged in the year 2000.

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Absolutely insane.
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It’s wild.
There’s so many things like that

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throughout this documentary.
Yeah, there’s a lot of

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Propaganda.
There’s a lot of General Motors.

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Produced propaganda about how
buses are the best thing and how

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everyone hates riding rails.
It’s fascinating, they did such

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a good PR job when it came to
buses.

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But I feel like, now, we’re
right back to where everyone’s

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like, man, fuck a bus.
I don’t want to ride a bus.

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Well, it depends depends on
where you are.

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It’s better than not having any
public transportation.

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Oh, for sure.
That’s the whole problem is then

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you Caught into that trap of
thinking, where it’s like, well,

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look, we’ve got buses.
You know, why don’t we just do

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stuff with the buses.
When in fact buses are like the

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worst kind of public
transportation?

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Accept any bus in any European
Capital City, those buses are

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rad.
They’re good, but they’re

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supported by a complex system of
public transportation.

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That allows them to flourish.
That’s the whole problem,

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imagine that.
Yeah, they do at one point.

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Talk about how Ow, these Railway
systems.

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They weren’t just prevalent all
around the United States but

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they were very common in Japan
and in Western Europe.

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Yeah.
And at one point after WWII, all

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three of those regions had some
decisions to make about their

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public transportation because
people were all fuck happy and

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buying cars because the war was
over and yep.

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In Western Europe and Japan,
they decided to reinvest in

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those public Railway systems in
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We voted for cars because we
didn’t vote for shit.

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Well, here’s the thing.
You’re just going to have to

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deal with me saying we when I
talk about the government

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because whether you like it or
not, it’s our fucking government

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and like part of how the GM and
just general auto.

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Manufacturer propaganda worked
was that it convinced people to

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vote for these things.
We were alive during the day,

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there’s a good chance that we
might have voted for this stuff,

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because we wouldn’t have known
any better, and when this whole

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Whole like Suburban experiment
and the modern form of urban

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planning was conceived.
No, one quite thought out the

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disastrous impact that it would
end up having.

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I mean, my biggest takeaway from
that documentary was exactly the

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opposite that there was huge
amounts of people poll after

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poll, like 88 percent.
I think was one of the poll

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results that they were like, we
don’t want to get rid of our

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electric rail systems.
We don’t want this freeway.

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Be cut through these
neighborhoods, are that

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neighborhood or whatever, seeing
rooms full of people in.

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Like the mid 50’s saying, I
don’t want these stinky old

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buses in place of a system that
already is working fine.

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That was the hardest thing for
me.

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Because yeah, like there is that
conventional thinking of like,

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well, you know, people were
tricked and they ended up voting

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against their own interest
because we see that all the time

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in our lives, but I didn’t like
happen to an extent.

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Sure.
But like, seeing so many people

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actually, Actively pushing back
and saying, no.

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Me and all of these
neighborhoods just pull

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neighborhoods of people we’re
going to Washington DC and they

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bulldoze your home while you
were in Washington actively

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lobbying against this thing.
Yeah.

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Sorry.
It’s like, okay.

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So what that actually happens,
by the way, in this documentary,

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someone goes to Washington, d.c.
to Lobby against a highway in

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their home gets bulldozed while
they’re there.

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It’s brutal.
It’s brutal.

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Yeah.
So, this all starts in the early

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1920s at that point in history,
the Primary means of public

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transportation in the United
States was Railways.

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Be they electric or pulled by
fucking horses at one point?

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Yeah.
Because you had an inner-city

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area that we’re all the jobs
were there wasn’t that big

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suburban sprawl thing happening?
So if you lived in Cleveland or

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Los Angeles or whatever, it was,
then you lived in the city and

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you live close enough, to be
able to get that rapid, Light

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Rail to get to your job, on the
other side of town back.

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When it was either gets, call it
Town, it was Is one centralized

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place where all the jobs were
and it worked as well as it

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could because the housing was
close enough and all the

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transportation linked it and was
reliable right?

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And mono Centric.
Urban planning.

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Yeah.
And at this point only one in

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ten, Americans owned a car.
Everyone else was mostly using

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electric Rail trains for public
transportation.

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At least around the city and
Alfred P Sloan Junior GM

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chairman from 1923 to 1956.
He Izes this disparity as an

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opportunity because in his mind
that means that’s 90% of an

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audience that we can convert to
car drivers, right.

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I’m realizing and I don’t want
to get to off track here, but a

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lot of the podcasts and public
radio and all that shit that I

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remember listening to is
supported by grants from the

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Alfred P Sloan Foundation.
Like I can hear Robert, Siegel

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sing Alfred P Sloan which did
not occur to me until So you

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just said his name.
Yeah because you get to

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whitewash your reputation with
whatever you want after you’ve

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made your billions from
corrupting the urban experience

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of an entire country.
Well yeah I think that’s a

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common thing.
Yeah.

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Like Rockefellers Carnegie’s.
All those people wreck the

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world.
Yeah, J Griffith tried to kill

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his wife because she was
convinced that she was poisoning

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him and she jumped out a window
and survived.

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Then they named Griffith Park
after him, yet, they built the

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observatory on that spot.
Yeah.

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I wanted to be true so much if
you look through the wish you

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look through the right
telescope, you can still see it

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happening because it’s also
haunted.

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It’s La everything in l.a. sonar
is, of course, everything in

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delhi’s fucking haunted.
Are you kidding me that?

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So to make this conversion of
90% of the public into car

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users?
The first thing they have to do

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is figure out a way to get rid
of all these streetcars because

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streetcars take up Street and we
need Street to put cars on.

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Real cars, not these candy-ass,
electric cars that aren’t

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putting out any pollution.
They’re not killing people.

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And that’s a real deal breaker
in the 50s.

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If it’s not polluting, we can’t
have that.

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I’m sorry.
For before seat belts were

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invented or crosswalks or
playgrounds when children just

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played in the street because it
is fine.

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Come later, you knew when the
guys were coming, you could play

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in the street, they ran on a I
mean, you know, the ripping up

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of the streetcars is the entire
problem in a nutshell.

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I mean, it’s what we’re going to
be talking about for this whole

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episode, but like, that does
nothing to make it easier to

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drive a car in a city, it just
makes it so that there are more

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people in fucking cars on that
street.

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Instead of people who are in a
streetcar and people who are

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driving and all that.
Yeah, pretty much every change

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mentioned in this documentary.
That is supposed to lessen

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traffic.
And make commutes easier for

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people just makes everything so
much worse.

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Just infinitely, worse, it’s
called induced demand.

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It’s a big property that no one
in American urban planning.

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You know, at least in the at one
point, no one knows or cares,

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dude.
We learned a lot about induced

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demands in my master programmer.
So, I mean, you basically

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already have your degree, Olivia
gradually, thank you.

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That’s all I needed.
Well, good.

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I don’t even need to go to
Community College that I could

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just say.
I have a degree in urban

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planning, so it sorta to me on a
podcast.

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Exactly honorary conspiracy to
show degree get yours in the

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unpop store now, use codes
degree, it does she get into

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next for-profit college?
Oh yeah, for-profit podcast

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College.
We’ve argued about that on

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another podcast before.
I think I was on that episode.

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You sure wherever?
You sure.

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So, the next thing Sloan does to
start this process rolling.

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Is he starts buying up
companies.

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To specifically at first
Omnibus, which was the largest

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bus operating company in the
country and yellow coach, the

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largest bus production company.
And after that GM moves into

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Manhattan and buys up a bunch of
stake in the New York Railway

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system and between is, you could
do that, which was very smart,

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right?
Yeah.

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And between 1926 in 1936, they
just kind of methodically

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destroy that system.
And replace it with buses.

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But they also launched this
massive advertising campaign

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about how moving away from
Railway cars and into buses is

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like the ethical thing and how
it’s what everyone wants, and

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it’s for the best.
And it was just all propaganda.

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People fucking hated buses.
They were smelly.

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They were loud.
They polluted unreliable

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unreliable.
Unlike street cars, which had

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been Operating for a long time
perfectly fine by this point.

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So the national city lines,
opens for business in 1936, and

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this is where the conspiracy
angle comes into play.

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When it comes to GM and what
they did to the public transit

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system because they were all of
the money behind national city

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lines.
But publicly you couldn’t tell

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GM was involved in this company
at all, right?

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But the Not good, not good, very
bad.

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The director of operations came
from yellow coach, which we just

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mentioned was a GM subsidiary
and board members came from

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Greyhound, which was owned by
GM.

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And also all of the money came
from Greyhound, which was owned

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by GM.
So, this was a GM company but

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just, they hired, this former
bus operator from Minnesota

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named Roy Fitzgerald.
And they groom him to be the

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face of national.
Aligned.

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So by all public appearances,
national city lines is just this

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young upstart bus company that
started with two buses and just

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slowly takes over the world
field, American Dream, worry.

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Yeah.
And it’s the 1930s.

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So no one can like look up and
be like wait, if these just a

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farmer than how did he get the
money to start up on a national

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scale?
Do we are barely figured out how

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to deal with this now.
Like only now are political

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advertisements saying at the
Bottom who’s actually supplying

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the major funding.
Yeah, there’s some gambling

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thing right out of there’s like,
hi, my name is this person.

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I’m a Native American And my
trial was denied our dignity for

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many, many years, and that’s why
you vote.

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Yes, on this thing major funding
by DraftKings.

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It’s like, yeah, I don’t know
about that, guys.

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There’s such a disconnect when
you can have all that money to

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just move it around.
We’re barely catching up to it

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100 years later, like, I’m just
the tiniest shreds of

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culpability responsibility.
Transparent is Just started

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doing tiny bits of that.
So, hooray.

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Maybe 100 years.
Will finally have it figured

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out.
Yeah.

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No, probably not.
Very, definitely die.

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Are you kidding me?
Yeah.

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Yes.
We’re a comment.

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I’m going Kurzweil baby.
I’m living forever.

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No thanks!
Yeah.

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Hard pass on that.
I’m going to live into my

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hundreds at best and then out of
here.

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Yeah.
Like 30 years have not been

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great for me.
I can’t even imagine in the

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hundreds.
So Eventually for other

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companies, join in with GM.
In this Enterprise Standard Oil,

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Mack Trucks Phillips, petroleum
and Firestone Tire, which

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obviously the thing all of those
companies have in common is that

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it’s going to be in their best
interest to get as many cars and

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buses on the road over the next.
However, many years as compared

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to Electric streetcars which are
going to do these companies,

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almost no good, maybe standard
oils going to need like for Lube

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or This is but yeah, the thing
is and this is part of the

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problem with free market
capitalism in general.

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I mean that’s a whole separate
podcast but like it’s not like

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any of these companies wouldn’t
necessarily go out of business

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or stop being useful or stopping
profitable.

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Even if they did not destroy the
country through increased

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motorization.
It’s just that they wouldn’t

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have made quite as much money,
right?

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If they hadn’t.
And so they did.

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And that’s why we are now.
Where we know, huh?

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They had an obligation to their
shareholders, to maximize their

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profit returns and therefore,
you know, the urban makeup of

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everywhere, we know, has to be
fundamentally overhauled and

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like, people will be annoyed for
the rest of their lives.

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Even the people who like
benefited from this personal

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helicopters were not a thing at
this point, but I bet you

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anything that there’s some
ghouls.

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Like the Alfred P Sloan is
whatever still got stuck in

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traffic occasionally were like
what the hell?

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I wish we didn’t do this.
Wait, what am I talking about?

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Yeah.
So, eventually national city

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lines comes to kind of dominate
the American public transit

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landscape.
And in, almost every case, their

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MO is to go into a new market
dismantle, the rail systems, and

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replace them with buses, but
they don’t just go in and day.

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One, immediately destroy the
Rail lines, they do it, kind of

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behind the scenes and slowly
make it suck.

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Two people have to stop wanting
to use it before.

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They’ll use your alternative and
they interview an absolutely

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evil old man who has probably
was a cool.

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Yeah, only shit, we are not
under selling this list.

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Here’s the guy said he leaned
back in his in his easy liner

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just sharp.
Hey wrinkles and cruelty all

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over his face and just yeah, we
fired him.

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Yeah, well we told all the
people to fire him and then we

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fired them course.
He is of course we had that the

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worst Hitler was alive in this
guy’s life time.

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And there have been some like
maybe I should be there kind of

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shitty.
Well, I could never be that kind

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of shitty, I’ll just be a
business shitty.

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Maybe the thing that’s the most
colleague that he says is, he’s

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ancient.
He’s like a thousand years old,

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right?
And he’s like, of course,

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anybody who is real close to
retirement.

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We fired them first because, of
course, get rid of the old

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people who are about to quit
anyway.

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It’s like Jesus, man.
I feel like the pension after he

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says that for a second.
I feel like there is a look on

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his face when he’s Oh shit.
I just said that, huh?

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Yeah, this is why I think that
might be the kuleshov effect.

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You’re just like reading it to
his black.

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Yeah, yeah.
He probably had a stroke but

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something, he probably has a
stroke.

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Every day, this guy’s name is
Barney Larry.

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I mean he’s dead now,
definitely.

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No, he’s not.
He’s somewhere, 134 years, old

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still, being kept alive at
public funds or something and

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it’s like, look, they have a few
promo tourism people on this

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document.
Venturi.

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And they all look the exact
same.

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They all look like these
decrepit ‘l goals.

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Yeah.
And this guy, the interviewer

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asks him about how these La
streetcars that he oversaw

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dismantling.
She says, well weren’t they

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profitable when you took him
over?

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And he goes we’re not got done
shopping their heads off, they

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made money.
It’s like Jesus man.

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And that’s when he talks about
firing.

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People.
And he’s like, yeah, you fire

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him, we didn’t need them.
What are we going to do?

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Just keep them around.
They talk about what they would

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do to shut these systems down
and they would basically just

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cut back the frequency of how
often the trains ran at.

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First it was every 10 minutes.
Then eventually it would be 12

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minutes, 15 minutes, 18 minutes,
30 minutes.

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And the more you do that the
fewer people use them and

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eventually you can just go,
well, look, no one’s using them

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anymore I guess.
Guess we might as well get rid

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of them.
Yeah.

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When I lived in LA and I was
heavily using and we misuse

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rotation, thank you, thank you
so much everybody in the city,

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there’s a daily vigil help, but
the first year especially I

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mostly used public
transportation to get around and

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you can get on the subway, but
it doesn’t go very many places

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and the buses they come like
every 30 to 40 minutes about

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sometimes a little more, a lot
of times, a little less.

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And like, that’s great for an
American public transportation

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system.
Like, I live in Indiana now

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there’s like a bus every Fourth
Street.

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If that, and they comes like on
the hour or something, it’s

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awful and anybody living in
Europe would listen to me.

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Describe the LA transit system
and be like that’s good and it

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is because I care typically
space somewhere within a couple

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hours.
Yeah.

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We’re as here.
I need a car.

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I can’t not have a car or I I
just can’t even go like a few

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blocks away because it’s too far
and like you’re next to these

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horrific strobes and like awful
just polluting air, it’s

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terrible.
My favorite is there’s a bus

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stop on the 110 freeway in the
middle of the freeway.

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Yes.
And you’re just expected to go

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there and wait for a bus as the
loudest thing.

440
00:24:27,100 –> 00:24:31,200
You can experience sort of like
a jet airliner just sort of

441
00:24:31,200 –> 00:24:35,700
whooshes around you terrified.
Miles an hour and you just got

442
00:24:35,700 –> 00:24:38,200
to sit there wait for the bus
because that was the best place

443
00:24:38,200 –> 00:24:40,700
they could have, put it given
the resources that they had.

444
00:24:40,700 –> 00:24:45,300
Yeah, I’ve almost never had to
take a bus in La except when I

445
00:24:45,308 –> 00:24:48,200
lived in Santa Monica, I would
take it a little bit, but that

446
00:24:48,200 –> 00:24:49,600
was different.
That doesn’t count.

447
00:24:49,600 –> 00:24:53,900
That’s like, really just going
around town but just watching

448
00:24:54,000 –> 00:24:57,400
the people, they interview in
this talk about what getting

449
00:24:57,400 –> 00:25:00,700
around La used to be.
Like it’s like, oh man, that

450
00:25:00,700 –> 00:25:04,400
sounds so nice.
They interview a former Railway

451
00:25:04,400 –> 00:25:08,900
worker in this a guy named Jim
Holzer and he’s very salty about

452
00:25:08,900 –> 00:25:11,400
what happened to the LA Railway
system.

453
00:25:11,800 –> 00:25:15,400
And at one point he explains it
like imagine you had a

454
00:25:15,408 –> 00:25:18,800
Rolls-Royce and one day someone
took it to an unqualified

455
00:25:18,800 –> 00:25:21,800
mechanic and that mechanic
destroyed your Rolls-Royce.

456
00:25:22,000 –> 00:25:24,300
He’d be very upset about what
happened to your fucking

457
00:25:24,300 –> 00:25:28,800
Illuminati car and he says, well
we had the Rolls-Royce of public

458
00:25:28,800 –> 00:25:32,800
transportation systems in la la
and an unqualified mechanic

459
00:25:32,800 –> 00:25:37,800
destroyed it and Of course, he’s
bitter about it and it does suck

460
00:25:37,900 –> 00:25:43,000
because La is so spread out it
really limits where you can

461
00:25:43,000 –> 00:25:46,100
work.
If you don’t have a car like I

462
00:25:46,100 –> 00:25:48,500
haven’t had a car most of the
time I’ve been in LA but it’s

463
00:25:48,500 –> 00:25:52,900
because I’ve lived and worked in
the same general area or now I

464
00:25:52,908 –> 00:25:56,300
just work from home.
So I don’t have a car at all but

465
00:25:56,300 –> 00:25:58,800
like, I don’t know what I would
do if I was having to get around

466
00:25:58,900 –> 00:26:02,000
and didn’t also bear in mind at
that point, that he’s talking

467
00:26:02,000 –> 00:26:05,100
about in the early mid.
He’s Los Angeles.

468
00:26:05,100 –> 00:26:10,500
Wasn’t what Los Angeles is,
which is too Urban cores 23,

469
00:26:10,500 –> 00:26:14,600
Urban cores and job centers and
then just single-family homes

470
00:26:14,600 –> 00:26:16,800
for miles and miles and miles in
every single Direction.

471
00:26:17,000 –> 00:26:20,700
Like, at that point, it was just
the city of Los Angeles, a

472
00:26:20,700 –> 00:26:22,900
narrow Corridor, down to Long
Beach.

473
00:26:23,000 –> 00:26:25,800
There was some homes up in
Pasadena, some homes in the

474
00:26:25,800 –> 00:26:28,700
Burbank Glendale kind of area.
And that was pretty much

475
00:26:28,700 –> 00:26:30,800
everything.
It was not as developed as it

476
00:26:30,800 –> 00:26:33,700
was, so you could get anywhere
you need.

477
00:26:33,900 –> 00:26:38,600
To go anywhere worth going on
this particular system like La

478
00:26:38,600 –> 00:26:41,400
was big at that point, but it
wasn’t what it is.

479
00:26:41,800 –> 00:26:43,900
So the system totally worked at
that point.

480
00:26:43,900 –> 00:26:48,500
And they could have expanded the
system to go along that expanded

481
00:26:48,500 –> 00:26:51,600
growth very easily.
It would have been so much

482
00:26:51,600 –> 00:26:56,300
cheaper for the city to do also,
rather than totally rip it up

483
00:26:56,300 –> 00:26:59,400
and invest in a completely new
form of infrastructure.

484
00:26:59,600 –> 00:27:01,600
And that’s one of the really
frustrating things.

485
00:27:01,600 –> 00:27:04,400
You see later in this
documentary, when When there’s a

486
00:27:04,400 –> 00:27:07,500
clip of the mayor of San
Francisco in front of like

487
00:27:07,500 –> 00:27:12,900
Congress or someone and he’s
advocating for these Railway

488
00:27:12,900 –> 00:27:17,200
systems and this old fuck is
like so you’re going to tell me

489
00:27:17,200 –> 00:27:20,400
there was any single Railway
system that would be able to

490
00:27:20,400 –> 00:27:23,500
accommodate San Francisco now
and it’s like you’re comparing

491
00:27:23,500 –> 00:27:26,700
apples to oranges, man.
Like if it could accommodate it,

492
00:27:26,700 –> 00:27:30,200
then you could just expand it to
accommodate that growth.

493
00:27:30,200 –> 00:27:33,700
That’s not an apt comparison,
but that’s the kind of argument

494
00:27:33,900 –> 00:27:37,800
Immense people leaned on to make
sure everyone drove cars

495
00:27:37,900 –> 00:27:40,300
forever.
And now we’re all going to die

496
00:27:40,300 –> 00:27:43,000
in a car.
Probably in a car than the same

497
00:27:43,000 –> 00:27:44,900
car fire because of global
warming.

498
00:27:46,000 –> 00:27:51,500
So after NCL goes in and
destroys Manhattan and Lala then

499
00:27:51,500 –> 00:27:55,100
they start just kind of setting
about doing it all across the

500
00:27:55,100 –> 00:27:59,300
country.
And by 1946, they dominate the

501
00:27:59,300 –> 00:28:03,500
transit systems in more than 80
cities in the United States.

502
00:28:03,800 –> 00:28:05,200
They do a thing in this
documentary.

503
00:28:05,200 –> 00:28:08,300
I really hate.
They said, instead of more than

504
00:28:08,300 –> 00:28:12,300
80, which is what I said, they
said it happened in more than 83

505
00:28:12,300 –> 00:28:15,800
cities in the United States.
Well, what does that mean, 84?

506
00:28:16,200 –> 00:28:19,000
Why not just say 84, then what
is more than 83 mean?

507
00:28:19,000 –> 00:28:21,400
That makes no sense.
So I said more than eight and a

508
00:28:21,400 –> 00:28:25,000
half cities yeah here and there.
Balance restored.

509
00:28:25,000 –> 00:28:28,300
Thank you in all the while the
public thinks this company is

510
00:28:28,300 –> 00:28:31,500
just owned by these two farmer,
fucks from Minnesota the

511
00:28:31,500 –> 00:28:33,700
fitzgeralds, and that they’re
doing.

512
00:28:33,900 –> 00:28:36,800
No corporate help at all.
Amen.

513
00:28:36,900 –> 00:28:39,700
That all comes to an end.
When a guy named Edwin Quimby

514
00:28:39,700 –> 00:28:44,500
males, a warning to influential
people in cities all around the

515
00:28:44,500 –> 00:28:46,900
country.
This is how you used to have to

516
00:28:46,900 –> 00:28:52,000
do it internet.
We covered Behold a Pale Horse

517
00:28:52,000 –> 00:28:55,200
which is a very famous
conspiracy theory book that is

518
00:28:55,200 –> 00:28:59,800
total bullshit and the guy who
wrote that at one point like one

519
00:28:59,800 –> 00:29:03,300
of his first acts on the
conspiracy theory scene.

520
00:29:03,800 –> 00:29:08,000
Was to just send this letter
with all this UFO information to

521
00:29:08,000 –> 00:29:12,400
like 150 different people at
cost him like a thousand dollars

522
00:29:12,800 –> 00:29:14,700
or something.
And that’s what Edwin Quimby

523
00:29:14,700 –> 00:29:19,000
does.
He sends out this letter 33

524
00:29:19,000 –> 00:29:22,300
pages long?
Any letter at that point?

525
00:29:22,300 –> 00:29:25,700
Yeah, that’s a second Manifesto.
Yeah, it’s a pamphlet he sent

526
00:29:25,700 –> 00:29:32,200
them a novella and it’s all
about how GM is actually the

527
00:29:32,200 –> 00:29:36,500
money and driving.
Behind NCL in that they’re doing

528
00:29:36,500 –> 00:29:40,600
it because they want to take
your electric Railway systems

529
00:29:40,600 –> 00:29:43,700
from you and replace them with
buses.

530
00:29:43,800 –> 00:29:46,500
Yeah.
And almost immediately, the

531
00:29:46,500 –> 00:29:49,900
Press swings into action, and
starts calling him a conspiracy

532
00:29:49,900 –> 00:29:53,900
theorist and questions if he’s
being paid by some foreign

533
00:29:53,900 –> 00:29:56,400
influence and I’m sure that
wouldn’t happen now.

534
00:29:57,100 –> 00:29:59,300
No, I absolutely.
Are you kidding?

535
00:29:59,300 –> 00:30:03,000
We’re so much more evolved now.
Yeah, I’m glad we finally got

536
00:30:03,000 –> 00:30:05,700
corporate.
Fluence out of our media in the

537
00:30:05,700 –> 00:30:08,900
United States.
But nevertheless, doj looks into

538
00:30:08,900 –> 00:30:11,400
it.
And as a result of this Quimby

539
00:30:11,400 –> 00:30:16,700
letter, they launched this
investigation and NCL, and GM

540
00:30:16,800 –> 00:30:20,400
are eventually indicted by a
Federal grand jury in charged

541
00:30:20,400 –> 00:30:23,800
with conspiracy to violate
antitrust law.

542
00:30:23,900 –> 00:30:26,500
Yeah, yay.
Yeah.

543
00:30:26,900 –> 00:30:31,200
There’s never been an antitrust
problem in America since and GM

544
00:30:31,200 –> 00:30:33,400
cease to exist.
At that point.

545
00:30:33,800 –> 00:30:37,900
History, just joking, the
documentary points out for one.

546
00:30:38,100 –> 00:30:41,200
I think GM was fine.
Five thousand dollars.

547
00:30:41,500 –> 00:30:45,000
It was something like 5,000 per
each company or something.

548
00:30:45,000 –> 00:30:50,400
It was insanely tiny amount and
then one of the key figures in

549
00:30:50,400 –> 00:30:52,900
it was find a Dollar.
That’ll teach him.

550
00:30:52,900 –> 00:30:55,800
Yeah.
Yeah, that sucked ass to hear.

551
00:30:56,000 –> 00:31:00,600
That was so awful.
So it didn’t do anything to stop

552
00:31:00,600 –> 00:31:07,100
the progress of NCL or GM GM
just kind of had to sell their

553
00:31:07,100 –> 00:31:12,000
stake in NCL but they kept
supplying them with the buses.

554
00:31:12,000 –> 00:31:14,300
So they were still making money
on this.

555
00:31:14,600 –> 00:31:19,000
I mean the conspiratorial
thinking question line is, why

556
00:31:19,000 –> 00:31:22,700
did the doj soft-pedal these
fines?

557
00:31:23,000 –> 00:31:25,900
They could have to okay well you
guys made millions of dollars at

558
00:31:25,900 –> 00:31:27,800
a point in time in which
Millions was how we measured

559
00:31:27,800 –> 00:31:30,600
these things.
So maybe we should have fine you

560
00:31:30,600 –> 00:31:33,600
guys millions of dollars to I
don’t put some of it.

561
00:31:33,800 –> 00:31:36,600
Back and instead it’s like here.
What do you have on you?

562
00:31:36,600 –> 00:31:38,100
Give me that.
Thanks, right.

563
00:31:38,100 –> 00:31:41,100
Fuck out of my courtroom.
Yeah, I mean, look, it’s still

564
00:31:41,100 –> 00:31:43,400
capitalism.
Like, it’s not gonna really do

565
00:31:43,400 –> 00:31:46,300
much to upset the apple cart.
It’s very frustrating.

566
00:31:46,300 –> 00:31:49,100
And like, by the point, that
even any of this punishment

567
00:31:49,100 –> 00:31:53,200
happened, most Schmidt, the
damage had already been done.

568
00:31:53,200 –> 00:31:56,100
Yeah, these systems had already
been ripped up and it was going

569
00:31:56,100 –> 00:31:58,900
to take billions of dollars to
replace.

570
00:31:58,900 –> 00:32:02,600
And at that point, it’s not
worth it financially, you know,

571
00:32:02,600 –> 00:32:03,600
or at least, it seemed
incredible.

572
00:32:03,700 –> 00:32:06,700
Ali is not worth it.
Yeah, the documentary says that

573
00:32:06,700 –> 00:32:11,100
the justice department spent
like the next 25 years trying to

574
00:32:11,100 –> 00:32:16,400
find ways to kind of halt GM’s
growth and just they failed at

575
00:32:16,400 –> 00:32:18,800
every turn.
Failed darn.

576
00:32:18,900 –> 00:32:22,400
And so then, WWII happens.
We already talked about this a

577
00:32:22,400 –> 00:32:24,200
little bit.
But when was this?

578
00:32:24,500 –> 00:32:27,900
Well you WWII.
I think was in the late 70s.

579
00:32:27,900 –> 00:32:31,000
It was between us and Honduras.
Okay?

580
00:32:31,000 –> 00:32:35,100
Well, that’s right and 1492.
The Enola Gay sailed the ocean

581
00:32:35,100 –> 00:32:35,600
blue.
Okay.

582
00:32:35,700 –> 00:32:37,200
Right, right, right, right?
Right.

583
00:32:37,200 –> 00:32:41,500
And people start really, just
having kids and buying cars and

584
00:32:41,500 –> 00:32:44,000
moving to the suburbs after
World War 2.

585
00:32:44,300 –> 00:32:46,500
It’s the baby boom.
It’s when the suburbs become a

586
00:32:46,500 –> 00:32:49,400
things, people start kneading
cars but also we have these

587
00:32:49,400 –> 00:32:54,600
Railway systems still in a lot
of the United States and again,

588
00:32:54,600 –> 00:32:57,500
Japan Western Europe in those
three areas.

589
00:32:57,600 –> 00:33:01,800
All at the same time have to
decide between the two and

590
00:33:01,800 –> 00:33:05,100
Western Europe and Japan voting
Favor of Railways and they still

591
00:33:05,100 –> 00:33:08,400
have those in abundance in those
countries now, and they’re

592
00:33:08,408 –> 00:33:11,500
great, and they’re really great.
They’re really great Japan’s.

593
00:33:11,500 –> 00:33:14,200
Look like a little bit of chaos,
but a lot of things in Japan

594
00:33:14,200 –> 00:33:17,700
look like chaos, but it seems
like this very small area.

595
00:33:17,800 –> 00:33:21,000
Yeah, the system works, it’s
just, there’s a lot of people on

596
00:33:21,000 –> 00:33:23,800
those fucking Railway cars when
you get on it, but it look in

597
00:33:23,800 –> 00:33:25,800
the systems work.
But like, that doesn’t mean that

598
00:33:25,800 –> 00:33:27,400
there’s not room for
improvement.

599
00:33:27,400 –> 00:33:30,000
I think most people in Japan
would agree with that.

600
00:33:30,000 –> 00:33:34,600
But in the United States, we
mostly opted for Ours at this

601
00:33:34,600 –> 00:33:38,700
point and I’m happy with it.
Thank God room room, baby.

602
00:33:39,100 –> 00:33:41,000
This is where they bring up the
Pacific.

603
00:33:41,000 –> 00:33:45,100
Electric red cars, which used to
be a very prominent thing in

604
00:33:45,100 –> 00:33:47,000
ela.
And it seems like those were

605
00:33:47,000 –> 00:33:49,600
great and they have all of the
awesome.

606
00:33:49,900 –> 00:33:51,400
Yeah.
There’s all these meetings where

607
00:33:51,400 –> 00:33:55,900
the public is showing up in
large numbers, in arguing to

608
00:33:55,900 –> 00:34:00,700
keep these things in place.
And since when does Allah listen

609
00:34:00,900 –> 00:34:05,700
to its people, they certainly
Didn’t in this case and those

610
00:34:05,700 –> 00:34:10,600
systems all went away and one of
the concerns at the time, if you

611
00:34:10,600 –> 00:34:13,100
can believe, it seemed to be
pollution.

612
00:34:13,199 –> 00:34:16,500
A lot of people were concerned
that buses and adding more cars

613
00:34:16,500 –> 00:34:21,500
might add to a growing pollution
problem in La, good thing they

614
00:34:21,500 –> 00:34:25,100
were wrong about that.
Yes you say there hasn’t ever

615
00:34:25,100 –> 00:34:28,300
really been a concern in La has
it like well no, they have that

616
00:34:28,300 –> 00:34:31,100
city engineer who gets up in
front of the public and says

617
00:34:31,100 –> 00:34:34,199
there were studies that showed
buses don’t cause pollution So

618
00:34:34,500 –> 00:34:37,400
right of course should be fine.
She’s fine.

619
00:34:37,699 –> 00:34:40,000
Yeah that was all very
frustrating to watch.

620
00:34:40,000 –> 00:34:41,900
Yeah.
Like that was just a lot of

621
00:34:41,900 –> 00:34:46,199
citizens of l.a. being exactly
right about this problem and

622
00:34:46,199 –> 00:34:50,199
being yep the amount we ignored
right at that point a business

623
00:34:50,199 –> 00:34:53,900
could just find the one
technocrat, the one experts who

624
00:34:53,900 –> 00:34:56,500
could be bought off like yeah.
I got a couple of weddings.

625
00:34:56,500 –> 00:34:58,100
I need to pay for these fucking
daughters.

626
00:34:58,100 –> 00:35:00,800
I have.
So yeah, throw me like 15K and

627
00:35:00,800 –> 00:35:03,400
I’ll say whatever the fuck you
want like buses are ethical.

628
00:35:03,400 –> 00:35:05,100
What?
It’s sure I’ll say it.

629
00:35:05,100 –> 00:35:06,300
Who gives a shit, you don’t
know.

630
00:35:06,500 –> 00:35:08,800
Yeah, I said they had one guy
who used to be on the

631
00:35:08,808 –> 00:35:12,700
transportation board, who they
met his price and then he said,

632
00:35:12,700 –> 00:35:16,200
whatever the standard rail
wanted him to say and the city

633
00:35:16,200 –> 00:35:18,900
council or whatever is like.
All right, cool, we don’t need

634
00:35:18,900 –> 00:35:22,500
to listen to all these rabble
who live here, just five million

635
00:35:22,500 –> 00:35:24,600
dollars.
If anybody listening needs to

636
00:35:24,600 –> 00:35:27,200
bribe, somebody that’s my price.
Oh no.

637
00:35:27,200 –> 00:35:29,400
Oh, that’s really good to know.
Thank you pretty cheap.

638
00:35:29,500 –> 00:35:32,400
I would say, overall,
considering the quality that

639
00:35:32,400 –> 00:35:36,400
you’re getting of the What is
the cost of the Soul?

640
00:35:36,600 –> 00:35:39,300
Exactly, exactly.
It’s five mil.

641
00:35:39,400 –> 00:35:41,200
So yeah I know Yin five million
dollars.

642
00:35:41,500 –> 00:35:45,300
Yes, smackaroos.
So they talked a little bit

643
00:35:45,400 –> 00:35:49,000
about how Philadelphia was the
last City to kind of put up a

644
00:35:49,000 –> 00:35:53,300
fight against NCL in GM.
But they eventually lost to and

645
00:35:53,300 –> 00:35:58,600
then they move into the second
half of this documentary which

646
00:35:58,600 –> 00:36:03,200
is about a different but also
related things especially in

647
00:36:03,200 –> 00:36:07,900
that It still involves that evil
slow and guy from GM.

648
00:36:07,900 –> 00:36:12,300
And I immediately thought of
danger when they show this PSA

649
00:36:12,300 –> 00:36:16,100
about traffic congestion that
is, you know, how upset I got.

650
00:36:16,100 –> 00:36:18,800
I believe this was put out by
GM.

651
00:36:18,800 –> 00:36:22,200
It’s from the late 60s, early
70s.

652
00:36:22,600 –> 00:36:24,900
And it’s showing all these
people stuck in traffic and

653
00:36:24,900 –> 00:36:28,200
people are getting angry and it
says, don’t honk your horn,

654
00:36:28,500 –> 00:36:32,800
Raise Your Voice, tell your
leaders that you want more

655
00:36:32,800 –> 00:36:36,600
roads.
And more parking more parking.

656
00:36:37,600 –> 00:36:39,400
How’d you feel about that more
parking line?

657
00:36:39,700 –> 00:36:43,600
Thank you bad because look at
that point, maybe it could have

658
00:36:43,607 –> 00:36:45,900
been helpful at that point in
the Urban Development cycle,

659
00:36:45,900 –> 00:36:47,300
right?
For those first couple of years,

660
00:36:47,300 –> 00:36:49,300
I guess.
Yeah we have cars everywhere.

661
00:36:49,300 –> 00:36:52,900
Now we could use a few more rows
in a little bit more parking but

662
00:36:52,900 –> 00:36:55,600
then those rules that gots it
into place.

663
00:36:55,900 –> 00:37:00,400
We’re never changed for 70 years
and just sort of like survived

664
00:37:00,400 –> 00:37:03,500
into the system that’s totally
eating up all of our land.

665
00:37:03,600 –> 00:37:07,500
But parking lots are bad.
But also all of these suburban,

666
00:37:07,500 –> 00:37:10,500
sprawl housing, like
transportation and housing are

667
00:37:10,500 –> 00:37:14,600
two sides of the same coin,
which is that sort of efficient

668
00:37:14,600 –> 00:37:17,200
or being experienced or sub
Urban experience, exurban,

669
00:37:17,200 –> 00:37:18,900
experience, whatever you want.
Like, you need to have the

670
00:37:18,900 –> 00:37:22,400
housing near, where the jobs are
you need to get people from

671
00:37:22,400 –> 00:37:24,200
where the housing is to, where
the jobs are?

672
00:37:24,400 –> 00:37:26,100
And at this point there’s
certain say, okay, I will

673
00:37:26,100 –> 00:37:28,900
everybody’s going to get a car.
So let’s make sure that every

674
00:37:28,900 –> 00:37:33,500
sorry that all white Americans
get their own house.

675
00:37:33,900 –> 00:37:37,200
But it’s far from the urban core
is possible because we are

676
00:37:37,200 –> 00:37:40,100
pulling money out of these Urban
cores.

677
00:37:40,200 –> 00:37:43,000
We are putting them into
building roads and houses,

678
00:37:43,200 –> 00:37:46,200
subsidizing, their mortgages.
Making sure that these people

679
00:37:46,400 –> 00:37:49,600
who are white and have blue
eyes, and that they’re going to

680
00:37:49,600 –> 00:37:52,200
be taken care of, and it’s fine
and they obviously need cars.

681
00:37:52,200 –> 00:37:54,500
If they’re going to get from
point A to point B, they have to

682
00:37:54,500 –> 00:37:57,600
make sure that there’s way too
much parking everywhere to make

683
00:37:57,600 –> 00:38:00,800
that easy because the worst
thing in the world that could

684
00:38:00,800 –> 00:38:04,000
happen is that you have to walk
a couple of blocks who You can

685
00:38:04,000 –> 00:38:07,100
walk a couple of blocks.
Certainly not me, not me.

686
00:38:07,300 –> 00:38:10,700
Yeah.
As a single person living in a

687
00:38:10,700 –> 00:38:12,800
single family house.
It’s fucking sucks.

688
00:38:12,900 –> 00:38:15,300
I had constantly have way too
much space.

689
00:38:15,300 –> 00:38:20,300
Like, keep a clean house.
It’s just constantly filthy

690
00:38:20,300 –> 00:38:22,900
because I literally in my daily
life.

691
00:38:22,900 –> 00:38:27,100
Can’t touch every surface in my
house is too many.

692
00:38:27,500 –> 00:38:31,400
It’s the worse like
single-family neighborhoods are

693
00:38:31,400 –> 00:38:35,000
disastrous for anybody’s life.
A bit like look, I get it.

694
00:38:35,000 –> 00:38:38,000
If you want to have a yard and
stuff and you know if you’ve got

695
00:38:38,000 –> 00:38:43,100
a big family or whatever that’s
fine but it shouldn’t be the

696
00:38:43,100 –> 00:38:47,000
only choice he has seven or so
percent of our housing.

697
00:38:47,000 –> 00:38:50,600
I mean, yeah, that’s the thing.
Like more even than the fucking

698
00:38:50,600 –> 00:38:53,700
cars.
Is the zoning in our country and

699
00:38:54,000 –> 00:38:58,600
no multi-use zoning whatsoever
in the entire fucking Nation.

700
00:38:58,700 –> 00:39:01,400
Kind of makes it difficult to
build neighborhoods that are

701
00:39:01,700 –> 00:39:05,200
nice to live in because as you
know, you have to drive fucking

702
00:39:05,200 –> 00:39:06,400
everywhere.
Yeah.

703
00:39:07,600 –> 00:39:11,600
So speaking of that, the next
thing, Alfred Sloan focuses on

704
00:39:11,800 –> 00:39:15,700
after effectively, dismantling
public transportation in the

705
00:39:15,700 –> 00:39:21,300
United States, he starts looking
toward the expansion of Highways

706
00:39:21,300 –> 00:39:23,700
and freeways in the United
States.

707
00:39:23,700 –> 00:39:27,900
He essentially founds the
highway Lobby, which yeah, I

708
00:39:27,900 –> 00:39:30,300
guess I didn’t know was a thing
but it makes sense.

709
00:39:30,500 –> 00:39:33,600
Now that would be, that would
have been the thing that’s the

710
00:39:33,607 –> 00:39:36,000
thing.
Like it’s not really as big of a

711
00:39:36,008 –> 00:39:39,600
deal.
Now because it’s all established

712
00:39:39,600 –> 00:39:44,300
like, it was a huge influence
back in the 40s and 50s and 60s

713
00:39:44,300 –> 00:39:46,800
because all the highways and
shit were being built.

714
00:39:46,800 –> 00:39:49,900
And now they just need to be
expanded and it’s just a money

715
00:39:49,900 –> 00:39:53,700
sing for every fucking State.
I didn’t realize there was as

716
00:39:53,700 –> 00:39:57,300
much controversy as there was
around the construction of the

717
00:39:57,300 –> 00:39:59,500
highway system, but it
absolutely makes sense.

718
00:39:59,500 –> 00:40:05,000
If there was I think I heard it
put the best in this documentary

719
00:40:05,000 –> 00:40:09,200
in that.
Said they’re destroying

720
00:40:09,200 –> 00:40:11,600
communities.
So people who don’t live there

721
00:40:11,600 –> 00:40:14,900
can drive through them quickly
and that the whole problem.

722
00:40:15,000 –> 00:40:18,900
Yeah, that is essentially the
entire problem with how the

723
00:40:18,900 –> 00:40:20,800
highway system came to be,
right?

724
00:40:20,800 –> 00:40:24,200
This is the actual freeway
system was a good idea.

725
00:40:24,200 –> 00:40:27,800
Let’s make it easy to move goods
from coast to coast.

726
00:40:27,800 –> 00:40:30,500
It was Eisenhower that put that
through an Eisenhower, like the

727
00:40:30,500 –> 00:40:34,800
military, General knew the value
of being able to ship military

728
00:40:34,800 –> 00:40:36,600
personnel and equipment from
one.

729
00:40:36,800 –> 00:40:39,000
City to another.
But the problem was with that

730
00:40:39,000 –> 00:40:42,000
they’re like, okay, well we’re
going to take these interstate

731
00:40:42,000 –> 00:40:45,700
highways and put them through
the center of each individual

732
00:40:45,700 –> 00:40:47,600
City.
Where’s this place is like, I

733
00:40:47,607 –> 00:40:52,200
think d.c. at the time if I’m
not mistaken the point of DC was

734
00:40:52,200 –> 00:40:54,900
that you couldn’t actually take
a freeway to the core.

735
00:40:55,000 –> 00:40:58,500
There’s that dumb Ring Road
around it because that kept that

736
00:40:58,500 –> 00:41:02,500
interior core more or less
intact but you get stuff like

737
00:41:02,500 –> 00:41:03,900
Los Angeles where they just cut
through.

738
00:41:03,900 –> 00:41:06,700
I will, what’s the poorest in
parentheses.

739
00:41:06,800 –> 00:41:08,600
I kissed part of town.
I will.

740
00:41:08,600 –> 00:41:10,100
Let’s just put our free would
fucking there.

741
00:41:10,100 –> 00:41:11,400
Who gives a shit.
Yeah, right.

742
00:41:11,400 –> 00:41:12,900
Oh, those people.
What are we gonna do?

743
00:41:12,900 –> 00:41:16,100
Exactly.
And it’s a huge problem and it

744
00:41:16,100 –> 00:41:19,200
does contribute to, you know,
it’s the sole thing.

745
00:41:19,200 –> 00:41:21,700
Like, again, that live in
Indianapolis, it’s got a giant

746
00:41:21,700 –> 00:41:24,800
ring freeway, and they have two
freeways that cut straight

747
00:41:24,800 –> 00:41:28,500
through the city centre.
And those freeways make it even

748
00:41:28,500 –> 00:41:33,300
harder to navigate through roads
because the interstates are

749
00:41:33,300 –> 00:41:36,600
going through one way streets
and through place.

750
00:41:36,800 –> 00:41:40,300
Has that can only be navigated a
certain way and like you can cut

751
00:41:40,300 –> 00:41:42,600
off neighborhoods that are right
next to each other.

752
00:41:42,700 –> 00:41:46,300
Yeah but they’re impossible to
get to and from because there’s

753
00:41:46,300 –> 00:41:48,600
a highway through them at all.
You’re also describing San

754
00:41:48,600 –> 00:41:51,800
Francisco that place with the
highways and just how everything

755
00:41:51,800 –> 00:41:54,900
is sealed away.
And you have to just know where

756
00:41:54,900 –> 00:41:57,800
you’re going in order to get
there or at least you did when I

757
00:41:57,808 –> 00:42:00,100
was trying to navigate it in,
what was that?

758
00:42:00,100 –> 00:42:02,200
2006 or so?
Whatever.

759
00:42:02,700 –> 00:42:04,700
It’s confusing.
You get New York City.

760
00:42:04,700 –> 00:42:06,600
It’s a great make sense.
Boom, it’s Giant.

761
00:42:06,800 –> 00:42:09,400
Encore that makes sense.
But then you get these other

762
00:42:09,400 –> 00:42:11,300
places that are just sort of
like well let’s build them

763
00:42:11,300 –> 00:42:15,400
around the idea of the car and
how far like an hour’s worth of

764
00:42:15,400 –> 00:42:18,300
a drive might be.
And you do that and you add

765
00:42:18,300 –> 00:42:21,000
geography and you get some
really weird Amorphis

766
00:42:21,000 –> 00:42:25,100
meaningless shapes and it just
sort of congeals in these weird

767
00:42:25,100 –> 00:42:28,600
directions, dendritic streets
that just sort of end.

768
00:42:28,700 –> 00:42:32,700
Yeah, I found the propaganda
videos around the highway stuff,

769
00:42:32,800 –> 00:42:36,900
just fascinating Erie.
There’s one where a woman And

770
00:42:37,000 –> 00:42:39,900
there’s like a public meeting
and it seems like everyone

771
00:42:40,000 –> 00:42:43,600
doesn’t want this highway in
this woman stands up and says

772
00:42:43,600 –> 00:42:46,700
one of the most incomprehensible
things I’ve ever heard, which is

773
00:42:47,100 –> 00:42:50,600
its kids are.
Yes, Harrity, can’t you see

774
00:42:50,600 –> 00:42:53,400
that?
This highway means a whole new

775
00:42:53,400 –> 00:42:57,400
way of life for these children
and that’s it in the room

776
00:42:57,400 –> 00:42:59,900
explodes and Applause.
The yeah.

777
00:42:59,900 –> 00:43:02,700
All the people who are
originally opposing the freeway

778
00:43:02,700 –> 00:43:06,600
or like in tears clapping at the
end of this nonsense.

779
00:43:07,300 –> 00:43:12,100
And so Eisenhower takes office
and his cabinet is outfitted,

780
00:43:12,100 –> 00:43:15,100
with a bunch of GM allies.
Most importantly, Charles

781
00:43:15,100 –> 00:43:18,600
Wilson, GM president, who was
also Secretary of Defense,

782
00:43:18,600 –> 00:43:21,800
because that makes sense.
That, of course, those two jobs

783
00:43:21,800 –> 00:43:25,300
would lend themselves to each
other, and he immediately starts

784
00:43:25,300 –> 00:43:29,000
pushing highways as necessary
for National Security, which

785
00:43:29,100 –> 00:43:30,900
yeah, sure.
That was a point I made.

786
00:43:30,900 –> 00:43:34,500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let’s link El Paso to Los

787
00:43:34,500 –> 00:43:35,900
Angeles.
That makes sense.

788
00:43:36,300 –> 00:43:38,200
Yeah.
Yeah, it’s definitely not expand

789
00:43:38,200 –> 00:43:41,200
our existing Interstate rail
system that we spent millions of

790
00:43:41,200 –> 00:43:45,500
dollars in the 1800’s to build.
Let’s just make it I ways and

791
00:43:45,500 –> 00:43:47,800
look highways, you’re good.
Like I love driving.

792
00:43:47,900 –> 00:43:50,800
I really love driving.
I do it shouldn’t be your only

793
00:43:50,800 –> 00:43:52,200
option, right?
Exactly.

794
00:43:52,200 –> 00:43:57,400
It’s a tool but America you know
treats it like not only like the

795
00:43:57,400 –> 00:44:02,400
only tool but it’s part of our
identity as a country, it’s

796
00:44:02,400 –> 00:44:06,400
really weird.
So in 1956, Congress passes, the

797
00:44:06,900 –> 00:44:10,800
Highway system act, they build
highways and freeways all around

798
00:44:10,800 –> 00:44:14,900
the country and within cities,
this gets red at one point in

799
00:44:14,900 –> 00:44:18,100
this documentary.
Here goes, I had never heard

800
00:44:18,100 –> 00:44:20,600
this.
I had this is absurd, be

801
00:44:20,600 –> 00:44:22,400
advised, this is right where the
baby started getting.

802
00:44:22,400 –> 00:44:25,500
Super fussy for being I had to
I’d the focus switch gears

803
00:44:25,500 –> 00:44:27,500
wasn’t able to finish this
particular documentary but I was

804
00:44:27,500 –> 00:44:29,800
like I know most of this stuff
and I’m already mad.

805
00:44:29,800 –> 00:44:32,700
So well you’re gonna love this
cool.

806
00:44:32,800 –> 00:44:37,700
Here goes oh wow Mighty God who
has given us this This Earth and

807
00:44:37,700 –> 00:44:41,800
has appointed men to have
domination over it, who has

808
00:44:41,800 –> 00:44:46,500
commanded us to make straight to
highways, to lift up The Valleys

809
00:44:46,700 –> 00:44:51,800
in to make the mountains low, we
ask thy blessing, bless these

810
00:44:51,800 –> 00:44:55,500
are nations road, builders and
their friends, that’s the road.

811
00:44:55,500 –> 00:44:59,600
Builders prayer, 1946, author
unknown.

812
00:44:59,600 –> 00:45:02,000
So I’m assuming it was the CIA.
Mmm.

813
00:45:02,000 –> 00:45:05,900
Yeah, I would love to read the
book of the Bible, where the

814
00:45:05,900 –> 00:45:10,700
Lord About the fucking highways
that we need to build, you know,

815
00:45:10,800 –> 00:45:18,600
Jesus driving up in hot rod so
it happens highways are built.

816
00:45:18,600 –> 00:45:21,500
Its chaos, people are displaced
from their homes.

817
00:45:21,500 –> 00:45:23,600
In a lot of cases, the freeways
aren’t helping.

818
00:45:23,600 –> 00:45:26,700
There’s a really notorious
example of the one that went up

819
00:45:26,700 –> 00:45:31,500
in Boston initially, that fed
four lanes of traffic into three

820
00:45:31,500 –> 00:45:34,800
lanes of Highway.
Like, that’s not helping right

821
00:45:34,800 –> 00:45:38,700
engineering at all.
And in some places people

822
00:45:38,700 –> 00:45:42,200
protest and just don’t drive on
them or refused them all

823
00:45:42,200 –> 00:45:44,500
together.
Initially, San Francisco’s,

824
00:45:44,600 –> 00:45:49,100
mayor, he seems like one of the
more prominent voices speaking

825
00:45:49,100 –> 00:45:51,800
out against these Highway
systems at the time.

826
00:45:51,800 –> 00:45:55,600
Joseph alioto Granite.
I’m sure he oppressed people of

827
00:45:55,600 –> 00:45:58,400
color in some way in this
capacity, but he did.

828
00:45:58,400 –> 00:46:01,400
But he seemed, but on this
particular subject, he’s pretty

829
00:46:01,400 –> 00:46:06,500
great on this particular front.
He seems like a decent egg and

830
00:46:06,800 –> 00:46:10,500
He gets a call from the state
and they’re like, we want to put

831
00:46:10,500 –> 00:46:14,900
a highway along the Embarcadero
and he’s like, no, you can’t

832
00:46:14,900 –> 00:46:18,900
people don’t want it’s going to
be stinky and smelly and you re

833
00:46:18,900 –> 00:46:21,400
not allowed to do that.
It’s a very pretty area and

834
00:46:21,400 –> 00:46:25,700
you’re going to make it ugly and
no and he is featured a lot.

835
00:46:25,700 –> 00:46:28,300
In this speaking out against the
highway lobby.

836
00:46:28,600 –> 00:46:31,600
At one point he says those
freeway people would put a

837
00:46:31,607 –> 00:46:33,800
highway right through the
Vatican if he led them.

838
00:46:34,100 –> 00:46:37,200
And here’s the thing I would to
be honest like That’s, uh, I

839
00:46:37,200 –> 00:46:39,700
mean sure like why her different
reason?

840
00:46:39,700 –> 00:46:42,200
Yes, exactly.
That’s the whole thing.

841
00:46:42,500 –> 00:46:45,000
I don’t think me and him are on
the same page when it comes to

842
00:46:45,000 –> 00:46:47,900
that comparison.
But in, yeah, there’s lots of

843
00:46:47,900 –> 00:46:51,600
interviews with people who talk
about how brutal this point in

844
00:46:51,600 –> 00:46:54,400
history was when we were
building these freeways, through

845
00:46:54,400 –> 00:46:57,800
all these communities and just
displacing people left and

846
00:46:57,800 –> 00:47:00,200
right.
One woman mentions how it was so

847
00:47:00,200 –> 00:47:03,800
bad that she assumed, it would
be no time at all before.

848
00:47:03,800 –> 00:47:05,700
Your government would be like,
all right, this has been a

849
00:47:05,700 –> 00:47:08,500
disaster.
We should probably pull back on

850
00:47:08,500 –> 00:47:12,600
this and whoops.
Now, let’s we really, really

851
00:47:12,600 –> 00:47:15,100
kept at it.
And yeah, by the mid-60s, the

852
00:47:15,100 –> 00:47:20,400
government had just very clearly
sided with cars and that’s kind

853
00:47:20,400 –> 00:47:23,000
of where it lies.
They talk a little more in the

854
00:47:23,000 –> 00:47:27,700
documentary about the mayor of
San Francisco, kind of lobbying

855
00:47:27,700 –> 00:47:33,100
against these highways, and how
that public attention did cause

856
00:47:33,100 –> 00:47:36,200
a little bit of a comeback for
public transportation.

857
00:47:36,200 –> 00:47:41,200
And that’s why like the BART
system exists in San Francisco

858
00:47:41,500 –> 00:47:46,100
or why Washington DC has the
subway system that they have

859
00:47:46,400 –> 00:47:50,900
that point in history is when
there was this brief Resurgence

860
00:47:51,100 –> 00:47:55,600
where those kind of systems
became a thing, but it’s bad to

861
00:47:55,600 –> 00:47:59,400
the point where we desperately
need way more of that.

862
00:47:59,500 –> 00:48:03,500
I mean, in bigger cities, I feel
like you can get to the airport

863
00:48:03,600 –> 00:48:07,200
and a lot of places pretty easy
and that’s about Hit

864
00:48:07,200 –> 00:48:09,300
facilitating Commerce and
travel.

865
00:48:09,300 –> 00:48:12,800
Yeah, like Chicago Denver, you
can sure as shit get from the

866
00:48:12,800 –> 00:48:14,200
airport to wherever you want to
be.

867
00:48:14,200 –> 00:48:17,000
But after that, I mean, you can
get wherever you want, Chicago.

868
00:48:17,000 –> 00:48:19,200
You’re gonna get stabbed a lot
of those.

869
00:48:19,400 –> 00:48:23,400
Yeah, trains, I mean, yeah.
In any of these things, like,

870
00:48:23,400 –> 00:48:27,400
Chicago, or anything to these
places that have very flawed

871
00:48:27,500 –> 00:48:31,500
subpar transit systems are still
among the best in the country

872
00:48:31,500 –> 00:48:35,400
because yeah, crap everywhere
else there non-existence.

873
00:48:35,400 –> 00:48:38,100
So, you know, we’ll take it.
We can get a certain point.

874
00:48:38,200 –> 00:48:39,600
So danger.
How do we fix this?

875
00:48:39,900 –> 00:48:43,900
I mean you went to school yet
for it so I feel like if you

876
00:48:43,900 –> 00:48:49,900
could in like yeah 90 to 120
seconds just yeah please yeah

877
00:48:49,900 –> 00:48:51,900
lay out our path forward for the
future.

878
00:48:51,900 –> 00:48:54,100
Please go.
Yeah.

879
00:48:54,100 –> 00:48:59,400
So telecommuting is going to be
big and bigger, we got to make

880
00:48:59,400 –> 00:49:03,300
sure that we’re taxing the
portfolio’s of large landowners

881
00:49:03,300 –> 00:49:07,200
appropriately so that we can get
the resources that We need to

882
00:49:07,200 –> 00:49:10,800
build the kind of infrastructure
and housing, that we need.

883
00:49:11,500 –> 00:49:14,600
Single-family zoning is not
good.

884
00:49:14,600 –> 00:49:17,800
If you ever climb up to the
Hollywood Hills or anywhere in

885
00:49:17,800 –> 00:49:20,100
Southern California, that is a
mountain and you look, and you

886
00:49:20,100 –> 00:49:24,000
will only see, I don’t like, 3/4
of it, at least, we’ll be single

887
00:49:24,000 –> 00:49:28,200
family housing, all of that is a
political decision that got made

888
00:49:28,200 –> 00:49:31,700
a long time ago and it remains
so because people still think

889
00:49:31,700 –> 00:49:35,000
that their housing valuation is
more important than actually

890
00:49:35,000 –> 00:49:38,100
building infrastructure and
things that at need in the areas

891
00:49:38,100 –> 00:49:42,300
where the jobs might exist.
Spoiler alert, ladies and

892
00:49:42,300 –> 00:49:46,000
gentlemen, your housing values,
go up regardless of whether or

893
00:49:46,000 –> 00:49:49,100
not there is an apartment
building on your street corner

894
00:49:49,100 –> 00:49:52,100
or something.
Because more housing means more

895
00:49:52,100 –> 00:49:55,100
desired to live somewhere which
means you’ll be able to sell at

896
00:49:55,100 –> 00:49:57,500
a profit.
You know, congratulations, y’all

897
00:49:58,700 –> 00:50:01,000
polycentric job centers, are
what we have now is we have to

898
00:50:01,000 –> 00:50:03,600
figure out how to get the.
I mean, it’s an ugly thing to

899
00:50:03,600 –> 00:50:05,400
say.
But buses like the buses that

900
00:50:05,400 –> 00:50:10,000
exist More buses charging more
appropriately for parking

901
00:50:10,000 –> 00:50:13,300
making, it more expensive to use
a car but also using your

902
00:50:13,300 –> 00:50:16,500
actually had up to it.
Yeah, I was just say we’re way

903
00:50:16,500 –> 00:50:18,000
past two minutes.
Alright.

904
00:50:18,000 –> 00:50:20,900
I feel like I feel like I’m
Miranda light show.

905
00:50:21,000 –> 00:50:23,600
Miss them.
It’ll make it easier to take

906
00:50:23,600 –> 00:50:27,000
transit and make it harder to
use, private transportation.

907
00:50:27,100 –> 00:50:29,100
Yeah, absolutely.
I think that yet.

908
00:50:29,400 –> 00:50:31,000
Don’t sleep on the housing part
of it.

909
00:50:31,000 –> 00:50:33,100
The housing part is huge.
He has to be a holistic

910
00:50:33,100 –> 00:50:35,000
approach.
It has to be housing as to be

911
00:50:35,000 –> 00:50:37,700
zoning.
Hey, People in the middle of the

912
00:50:37,700 –> 00:50:41,800
country, don’t you want to get
in on the bodega debate about,

913
00:50:41,800 –> 00:50:44,600
you know, right.
What it’s like to have a bodega

914
00:50:44,600 –> 00:50:47,200
on your street corner.
Come on get in the multi use

915
00:50:47,200 –> 00:50:48,400
zoning.
It’s great.

916
00:50:48,500 –> 00:50:52,000
Hell yeah.
So yeah, that’s the documentary.

917
00:50:52,100 –> 00:50:54,400
That’s the debate.
I think it is pretty clear that

918
00:50:54,400 –> 00:50:58,800
GM there was obviously a
conspiracy to destroy

919
00:50:58,800 –> 00:51:02,700
streetcars.
There have been since then the

920
00:51:02,700 –> 00:51:06,500
argument you see the most
against this idea is that well

921
00:51:06,600 –> 00:51:10,600
All of those Railway systems
were in Decline and starting to

922
00:51:10,600 –> 00:51:13,900
fail when GM came in and took
them over.

923
00:51:13,900 –> 00:51:17,100
And I feel like that’s a very
weak excuse because they could

924
00:51:17,100 –> 00:51:20,600
have just reinvested money and
those and expanded those.

925
00:51:21,000 –> 00:51:23,400
Yeah, would have been cheaper.
Yeah, would have been cheaper.

926
00:51:23,400 –> 00:51:25,600
Would have been less profit for
GM?

927
00:51:25,600 –> 00:51:27,900
I’m sure.
Hey, 1950s America.

928
00:51:28,000 –> 00:51:30,900
Do you have a problem?
Consider setting it on fire?

929
00:51:31,200 –> 00:51:36,400
Yeah, exactly, yes, absolutely.
So yeah, I don’t know.

930
00:51:36,600 –> 00:51:42,200
If I agree with that debunking
of this conspiracy, I also saw

931
00:51:42,200 –> 00:51:49,600
an article that said GM wasn’t
convicted of a conspiracy to

932
00:51:49,600 –> 00:51:52,600
destroy rail systems.
And it’s like, well, yeah,

933
00:51:52,600 –> 00:51:56,000
because there’s no law that says
that specific thing asshole.

934
00:51:56,400 –> 00:52:00,500
That’s still why it happened.
But no, it wasn’t that exact

935
00:52:00,500 –> 00:52:04,100
wording in the fucking official
government document that

936
00:52:04,100 –> 00:52:06,400
punished him for it fucking.
I was a jerk.

937
00:52:07,000 –> 00:52:10,500
America doesn’t have a great
track record of charging

938
00:52:10,500 –> 00:52:13,000
companies with anything.
Like we kind of just let them do

939
00:52:13,000 –> 00:52:15,500
what they want.
You did, what will you do it

940
00:52:15,500 –> 00:52:17,100
again?
Yes.

941
00:52:17,200 –> 00:52:20,300
I’ll try not to well you’re
trying to make a little more

942
00:52:20,300 –> 00:52:21,800
money next time.
Okay.

943
00:52:22,400 –> 00:52:25,700
You’re going to have to pay us.
Okay.

944
00:52:26,100 –> 00:52:30,400
Yeah it really is like sometimes
corporations just sort of get

945
00:52:30,400 –> 00:52:34,600
shaken down by the government as
opposed to ever facing any

946
00:52:34,600 –> 00:52:38,700
punishment like Banks.
Like car companies where

947
00:52:38,700 –> 00:52:41,600
absolute like, they’ll make all
of this money cutting corners on

948
00:52:41,600 –> 00:52:44,900
environmental shit, and then
they’ll get like a two million

949
00:52:44,900 –> 00:52:47,500
dollar fine.
It’s like they made so much

950
00:52:47,500 –> 00:52:50,800
money cut in those Corners.
Like, that’s not punishing

951
00:52:50,800 –> 00:52:53,600
that’s just asking for your
share of the profits.

952
00:52:53,900 –> 00:52:56,600
That doesn’t really nothing.
You’re describing a fundamental

953
00:52:56,600 –> 00:52:58,800
problem of free market,
capitalism.

954
00:52:58,800 –> 00:53:01,400
I mean, this is the whole thing,
like, you know, capitalism works

955
00:53:01,400 –> 00:53:03,200
great.
I won’t hear capitalism be

956
00:53:03,200 –> 00:53:05,800
slandered on this American
podcast course, of course.

957
00:53:05,800 –> 00:53:08,800
Of course, I Of green dollar
dollar bills.

958
00:53:08,800 –> 00:53:11,400
All that, it’s awesome.
Yeah, this podcast is brought to

959
00:53:11,400 –> 00:53:15,500
you by cash, cash.
You need to buy special Cash

960
00:53:15,500 –> 00:53:17,400
Cash.
Yeah yeah.

961
00:53:17,400 –> 00:53:21,000
Send me an Olivia cash if Blake
especially if you’re like

962
00:53:21,000 –> 00:53:23,600
getting off into gold because
you’re a survivalist or

963
00:53:23,600 –> 00:53:27,000
something just saying that you
said Nicole do you send that

964
00:53:27,000 –> 00:53:29,800
worthless ass cash to me and
Olivia and danger?

965
00:53:29,800 –> 00:53:33,700
It’s got its got kids.
So do we have any final thoughts

966
00:53:33,700 –> 00:53:37,200
on this sigh?
It’s yeah, very We depressing,

967
00:53:37,200 –> 00:53:40,900
like I said, this is made in
1996 and they could be made

968
00:53:40,900 –> 00:53:44,800
exactly the same today.
Except a lot of the people who

969
00:53:44,800 –> 00:53:47,700
remember how good public
transportation used to be are

970
00:53:47,700 –> 00:53:51,000
now dead and so can’t advocate
for it.

971
00:53:51,000 –> 00:53:53,800
So it would actually be even
more depressing.

972
00:53:53,900 –> 00:53:55,100
Yeah.
You’d have to build your

973
00:53:55,100 –> 00:53:58,900
eight-part Netflix documentary
series around the footage from

974
00:53:58,900 –> 00:54:02,600
this documentary, because most
of these people are dead now,

975
00:54:02,600 –> 00:54:06,400
hopefully, including that, fuck
face that fired all the LA.

976
00:54:06,600 –> 00:54:09,900
Way the Earth Works lie, that
vampire must be dead.

977
00:54:09,900 –> 00:54:11,200
Yeah.
I hope he died.

978
00:54:11,200 –> 00:54:15,000
Sad and penniless, man.
What bothers me the most is that

979
00:54:15,000 –> 00:54:17,600
there’s that old timey recording
was like why are they excited

980
00:54:17,600 –> 00:54:19,700
fans like this.
And it’s a Godly speaking like

981
00:54:19,700 –> 00:54:23,300
this and he’s saying things that
I’ve thought but never heard

982
00:54:23,300 –> 00:54:25,800
spoken out loud.
Like, why is it in every car

983
00:54:25,800 –> 00:54:28,700
commercial?
You never see any other cars on

984
00:54:28,700 –> 00:54:30,500
the road.
There’s never any other people.

985
00:54:30,500 –> 00:54:33,500
It’s only just a beauty in this
the speed and that’s just not

986
00:54:33,500 –> 00:54:35,400
how things go with.
Like yeah.

987
00:54:35,700 –> 00:54:39,600
Wait this guy. 70 years ago.
And nobody noticed what the

988
00:54:39,600 –> 00:54:40,600
hell?
Yeah.

989
00:54:40,600 –> 00:54:43,700
Because he was talking like this
here, is you’re saying

990
00:54:43,700 –> 00:54:45,700
everything like this and no one
could pay attention.

991
00:54:45,700 –> 00:54:48,700
A Eve is words.
Exactly makes it very

992
00:54:48,700 –> 00:54:50,300
distracting.
It’s sad.

993
00:54:50,300 –> 00:54:53,500
I have to make very stupid jokes
because this is a very

994
00:54:53,500 –> 00:54:57,200
depressing subject that
currently affects everybody

995
00:54:57,200 –> 00:54:58,000
listening.
Yeah.

996
00:54:58,000 –> 00:55:00,600
If they’re in America, if you’re
not in America, fuck you.

997
00:55:01,400 –> 00:55:04,900
Hey, if you’re not Merica, enjoy
your hopefully much better

998
00:55:05,000 –> 00:55:08,700
Transit and housing success.
That’s your consolation guys.

999
00:55:09,000 –> 00:55:11,400
I do you waive your I hope at
least you have some air

1000
00:55:11,400 –> 00:55:12,900
conditioning.
Yeah they do.

1001
00:55:12,900 –> 00:55:15,200
I hope you like your walkable
cities.

1002
00:55:15,200 –> 00:55:17,900
We also sided with air
conditioning over being

1003
00:55:17,900 –> 00:55:22,100
uncomfortable in this country.
So look, I got to have the air

1004
00:55:22,100 –> 00:55:24,700
conditioner.
Yeah, I’d be that learn if this

1005
00:55:24,700 –> 00:55:27,500
documentary was about air
conditioning, I’d be that person

1006
00:55:27,500 –> 00:55:30,300
on the LA freeway who was like,
I’ve never known life without

1007
00:55:30,300 –> 00:55:31,000
it.
What do you mean?

1008
00:55:31,300 –> 00:55:33,200
I can’t, I be for real though.
Megan.

1009
00:55:33,200 –> 00:55:37,200
I have no life without it sucks.
Yeah, I have to I grew up very

1010
00:55:37,200 –> 00:55:40,600
poor in hot so and not hot and
the cool way.

1011
00:55:40,600 –> 00:55:43,800
Hot in the sweltering in my home
way.

1012
00:55:43,800 –> 00:55:45,600
Okay, we don’t know when says
hot anymore.

1013
00:55:45,600 –> 00:55:49,700
So I do I still say hi good.
I’m glad I also say hi.

1014
00:55:49,900 –> 00:55:56,000
But anyway, throwing hot.
I’m glad guys you guys, so I

1015
00:55:56,000 –> 00:55:58,500
think that’s our episode.
Thank you both.

1016
00:55:58,900 –> 00:56:02,100
I don’t want it.
Do we have anything to plug

1017
00:56:02,100 –> 00:56:03,900
before we get out of here?
Olivia.

1018
00:56:03,900 –> 00:56:09,200
How about you going back and are
you Lost re-watch podcast, you

1019
00:56:09,200 –> 00:56:11,900
can listen to that.
Some of the pops patreon, if the

1020
00:56:11,900 –> 00:56:13,600
conspiracy tear another than
that.

1021
00:56:13,600 –> 00:56:18,800
No, no plugs nothing.
I will quickly mention that I am

1022
00:56:18,800 –> 00:56:21,300
doing a live podcast in New York
City.

1023
00:56:21,300 –> 00:56:26,700
August 28th at 4 p.m. at caveat
NYC with Alex Schmidt, Calise

1024
00:56:26,700 –> 00:56:30,400
Hawkins in slice Berg’s.
Slim almost said slice Kirk

1025
00:56:30,400 –> 00:56:32,700
Smith, who the fuck is that you
can get tickets at?

1026
00:56:32,700 –> 00:56:36,100
I’m Pops that Co slash NYC come
out and meet me, especially if

1027
00:56:36,100 –> 00:56:38,700
you listen.
I feel like I have not met most

1028
00:56:38,700 –> 00:56:41,000
of the people who listen to this
podcast.

1029
00:56:41,000 –> 00:56:44,700
I don’t know how much crossover
there is, but come out just

1030
00:56:44,700 –> 00:56:48,400
pretend, it’s a conspiracy pod
and come out and meet me anyway

1031
00:56:48,400 –> 00:56:51,900
and tell me, I don’t know why.
I fucking Pizza gate is real or

1032
00:56:51,900 –> 00:56:56,100
whatever you want to talk about,
but mmm encouraged that now, I

1033
00:56:56,100 –> 00:56:59,300
actually don’t.
Ya don’t do that.

1034
00:56:59,400 –> 00:57:00,500
Yeah.
If you’re one of the people who

1035
00:57:00,500 –> 00:57:04,500
canceled, because I put out a
trump episode this week and you

1036
00:57:04,508 –> 00:57:09,300
said I was to woke, don’t come
Don’t need that energy there but

1037
00:57:09,300 –> 00:57:11,800
otherwise, never ceases to amaze
me.

1038
00:57:11,800 –> 00:57:15,000
When you mention that, that
happens that there are still

1039
00:57:15,000 –> 00:57:17,500
people who support Trump
realization.

1040
00:57:17,500 –> 00:57:20,800
That was just because I’m very
good at podcasts problem.

1041
00:57:20,800 –> 00:57:24,000
I mean I would argue course
better than Trump isn’t being

1042
00:57:24,000 –> 00:57:26,500
president.
So I mean absolutely.

1043
00:57:26,500 –> 00:57:28,700
I still guys really angers
always getting elected

1044
00:57:28,700 –> 00:57:30,600
president.
Yeah, well exactly.

1045
00:57:30,600 –> 00:57:33,500
So on Pops that Co slash NYC
come to that.

1046
00:57:33,500 –> 00:57:36,500
All right, Danger, let’s hear
those plugs.

1047
00:57:36,700 –> 00:57:39,300
Sure.
I mean, I’m on paternity leave.

1048
00:57:39,300 –> 00:57:40,800
I’m tired all the time I had
baby.

1049
00:57:42,700 –> 00:57:45,200
Please listen to countless
thousands hsn.com.

1050
00:57:45,500 –> 00:57:49,500
Countless thousands, we are
going to be putting out a new

1051
00:57:49,500 –> 00:57:52,600
album called tremble, very soon.
I believe we’ve got a new

1052
00:57:52,600 –> 00:57:56,000
collaboration coming out really
soon that I’m very excited for.

1053
00:57:56,500 –> 00:57:59,900
I can’t wait, we’re whatever.
It’s we’re doing our own version

1054
00:57:59,900 –> 00:58:01,900
of The Monster Mash and it’s
gonna be dope and it’s gonna be

1055
00:58:01,900 –> 00:58:04,900
out by Halloween and we have a
very special guest who will be

1056
00:58:04,900 –> 00:58:06,300
working in the lab late one
night.

1057
00:58:06,400 –> 00:58:07,400
Yeah.
Asking me to publish it.

1058
00:58:07,400 –> 00:58:09,700
So patient accounts, countless
thousands, I barely tweet

1059
00:58:09,700 –> 00:58:13,500
anymore, but countless 1000s
just you see, Mel has countless

1060
00:58:13,500 –> 00:58:15,500
thousands of Gmail.
Just just let me know.

1061
00:58:15,500 –> 00:58:19,200
I’m I exist because I forget the
world’s out there because I’m up

1062
00:58:19,200 –> 00:58:24,100
at, like, I’m a bit for every
day putting formula into a tiny

1063
00:58:24,100 –> 00:58:26,800
baby that refuses to sleep.
Hmm.

1064
00:58:26,900 –> 00:58:28,300
Yeah.
So I’m sounds fun.

1065
00:58:28,400 –> 00:58:31,200
Yeah, it’s not but we go out.
I put her in the little

1066
00:58:31,200 –> 00:58:32,100
babysitting.
We go out.

1067
00:58:32,100 –> 00:58:34,000
Walking try to count the
skunk’s.

1068
00:58:34,100 –> 00:58:35,500
There’s a lot of skunks Emma
neighborhood.

1069
00:58:35,500 –> 00:58:39,000
They’re really cute.
No one day my dog’s going to

1070
00:58:39,000 –> 00:58:40,800
charge at him and it’s all going
to be over.

1071
00:58:41,200 –> 00:58:43,200
That’s the day, the dogs, he
kicked it.

1072
00:58:43,500 –> 00:58:45,800
It’s the day that my dogs
getting kicked in to the moon.

1073
00:58:47,300 –> 00:58:50,900
What?
Okay, don’t kick your dog into

1074
00:58:50,900 –> 00:58:52,600
the moon.
I’ll only ever kick him, if I

1075
00:58:52,600 –> 00:58:55,000
kick him into the moon, because
he chased a skunk and the skunk

1076
00:58:55,000 –> 00:58:58,200
sprayed us.
Okay, what is happening?

1077
00:58:58,600 –> 00:59:01,600
Okay, I think that’s it.
Let’s get out of here.

1078
00:59:01,600 –> 00:59:04,600
Danger, say goodbye and don’t
kick your dog.

1079
00:59:05,100 –> 00:59:06,400
Bye everybody.
Olivia.

1080
00:59:06,500 –> 00:59:08,100
I say goodbye.
Bye.

1081
00:59:08,500 –> 00:59:09,700
Goodbye everybody.
We love you.

1082
00:59:15,000 –> 00:59:15,700
People of Earth.