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We are Are talking about a thing
today, that’s kind of a
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continuation of this week’s
episode of unpopular opinion.
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We did an episode of on pops
this week.
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That was about news stories that
are not getting the attention
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they deserve, which is
understandable, there’s a lot
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going on in the world.
I get it.
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One of those stories that we
covered, though was about this.
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ABC News, producer named James
Gordon Meek, mmm, Who back in
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April was raided by the FBI and
has essentially fallen off the
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face of the planet.
Since then, the Daily Mail of
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all Outlets did manage to track
him down and confirm that he’s
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alive.
But if you go look at his
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Twitter, he hasn’t tweeted
anything since April 27th, which
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is the day of the FBI raid.
He was working on a book that
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has since scrubbed his name from
Any mention on the cover, any
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promotional stuff.
It’s very strange.
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And what’s interesting about
this documentary that we’re
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going to cover is it’s the last
thing he released.
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Yeah and there’s another
producer on it.
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A guy named Brian Epstein.
Not the Beatles Brian Epstein.
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This is a different Brian
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He also abruptly quit his job at
ABC News and when Rolling Stone
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reached out to him about James
Gordon me.
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Meek, he only said, I’m not
commenting on that story and
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hung up the phone.
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But at the same time, having
watched all of this documentary,
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I don’t get the sense that this
is, what would have gotten him
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in trouble with the government?
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I mean it probably didn’t help,
probably not.
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Yeah, but for one thing, after
he vanished, the Department of
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Justice issued a statement
because the FBI It’s not going
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to say anything there, right?
Take is just going to be that,
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it’s an active investigation,
but the Department of Justice
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issued a statement that I’m
paraphrasing.
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But they were like, hey,
reminder, we passed a law.
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Last year that says, the feds
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records even if they contain
classified information, provided
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that reporter obtain them in the
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So what the Department of
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yeah, we raided this guy but
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doing as a reporter.
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That makes a lot of sense.
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Like I here’s what it could also
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It could be.
Yeah, we didn’t trade him
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specifically because of his work
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work we just like we couldn’t go
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what you’re about to report on
the Biden Administration and
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Afghanistan which is what that
book that was coming out.
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Was About right?
Like they can’t explicitly raid
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the guy for that but it is the
kind of thing that could make
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them angry enough that they
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Right?
So read this guy, I don’t know,
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I don’t know.
I mean like in this also that
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you know, the Brian Epstein is
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reporting even if they’re saying
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Well, the thing about it being
related to is reporting though.
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Is ABC has a huge legal team and
it actually is not against the
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law to report on classified
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Like right.
If you’re in charge of it, you
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can’t release that classified
material without getting in
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trouble.
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reporter’s hands, it’s not
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So, ABC News, you would think if
this raid happened because of a
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story he was working on.
You would think their legal team
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would swing into action and And
this guy, and they’re, they’re
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not saying shit.
ABC has not said anything they.
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All they said, is he abruptly?
Quit for personal reasons,
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right?
But that was like, six months
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ago now.
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It sounds like there’s a lot
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more to that story that we still
don’t know.
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Like we need to there’s going to
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this.
It feels like but he’s
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definitely that type of
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Hmm, if you Were compiling a
list of reporters who would
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probably be offed by the
government in some manner.
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At some point he’d be on the
list for sure.
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If you look into the kind of
things he’s reported on like he
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covered a story at one point
about a soldier who was it
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turned out was killed by like a
member of his own unit.
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Hmm.
But initially the government
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blamed it on like Isis or
whatever.
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Sure and he ended Up in a
face-to-face meeting with Obama
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over that story which yeah, I
bet that’s the point where Obama
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stops being the party president
that you want to follow you on
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Twitter, right.
Exactly starts starts being
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real.
That was my Obama, by the way,
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the host it was great.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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You should put that on your SNL
real because, you know, I have
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an SNL real, right?
And of course, they would want
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you to play Obama.
I mean, it wouldn’t surprise me.
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They had Fred Armisen playing
Obama for quite a wild.
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Yeah, weird choice.
But this documentary, it’s
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another one of those stories.
It does indeed cover some
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government malfeasance for sure
and it’s the kind of thing.
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This is one of those
documentaries that the really
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anti conspiracy theory crowd
needs to watch, right?
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Because you can’t, you can’t
just trust the I meant all the
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time.
That’s crazy.
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There’s salute Lena?
Absolutely?
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No, cause for that.
Given history, all of recorded
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history, there is no reason to
trust the government all the
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time and this is a documentary
about how the government fuckin
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lies sometimes and they do it.
Even in cases where like these
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are, these are just dudes who
were trying to serve their
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country man.
Yeah they definitely these guys
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got fucked over and like the
government lied and really did a
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number to these He’s to the
families of these guys.
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But yeah, yeah, I mean, it’s a
weird.
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It’s a weird story.
I had not heard about this at
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all.
I don’t think I knew that much
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about this either.
Like it happened in 2017 for one
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thing.
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Which stuff going on there.
Yeah, that’s that’s Prime Trump
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era.
Like anything that didn’t
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involve getting Trump out of
office.
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I was like, I don’t fucking
care.
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I don’t time right now.
Aliens are they going to vote
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Trump out then?
I don’t care.
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Right.
But The documentary.
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It’s on Hulu, it’s called 3212,
unredacted, and prior to being
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raided.
By the FBI, James Gordon, Meek
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was pushing this for, like, Emmy
consideration.
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Yeah, it is.
It’s a tearjerker that’s for
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sure.
It is, it’s got its got its
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emotional moments that are often
tinged with weirdness.
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I would say, yeah, it’s one of
those things where there’s
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there’s stuff you.
You want to make fun of kind of,
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because this is a comedy
podcast.
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But at the same time, it’s like,
oh man, maybe not this time, I
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mean, sure.
Yeah, it’s a bummer obviously.
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Like, you never want anyone to
be killed younger or whatever,
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but it’s such an interesting
glimpse into a certain
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subsection of America and our
values with regards to the
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military and service.
And what these things mean?
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And the nature of our mission
abroad?
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Which I find really interesting
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which the documentary doesn’t
really.
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It doesn’t explicitly
interrogate but just by the
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nature of the story that it’s
telling you can’t help.
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But wonder about these things
about it, like especially about
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our mission.
Like what we’re doing in these
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places.
And you know why we’re Sending
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people where we’re sending them
and that sort of thing.
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Yeah, I mean speaking of things
happening during the Trump era
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that we didn’t pay enough
attention to, I would always
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tell people when the Mueller
probe was happening.
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That any time, a really big
story comes down in that look
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around at the headlines and see
what else is happening.
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In one case, all of these
indictments came down the same
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time, we were Basically lobbying
Congress to extend that
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authorization, that lets us just
do war in the Middle East, in
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the name of fighting terrorism.
Pretty much unchecked we wanted
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to extend that to Africa.
Also.
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passed, but also the fact that
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it didn’t pass had nothing to do
with the public objecting to it
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because the public didn’t
fucking know, it was happening
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because no one reported on it.
No one talked about it.
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Like it was just a blip on the
radar.
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Radar.
But it raises the same
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questions, that even the
families in this documentary
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raised, which is one of them
just straight up says, I didn’t
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know we needed troops in Africa
and it’s like, it’s because we
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don’t that’s right.
That’s why there you go.
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That’s why you didn’t know that.
Yeah, in the reasons that the
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military officials in this
documentary.
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Give for us for our like, our
presence in Tunisia, are are
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not, I mean, like kind of not A
type like just that like
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something about like what was
it?
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Like 90% of the foreign soldiers
in the Middle East are from the
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area.
It’s kind of like Northern
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Africa.
Yeah.
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Right.
Cover North Africa.
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But like, but that doesn’t tell
you how many people that
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represents because we don’t know
the number of foreign soldiers
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are that are brought into the
Middle East.
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So yeah, they could means 11 of
the 12.
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Well, it’s like, well, we don’t
need troops there.
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Probably exactly this.
Kind of like, it’s what I’m
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saying.
Like, there’s so much
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justification and none of it
really makes sense.
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And it resulted in these guys
being put in a fucked-up
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situation that got them killed.
Yeah, it covers the Ambush
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killing of four American Special
Forces troops by ISIS.
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Militants in knees, are which
Always pronounced Niger.
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Yeah, I think the classic
American pronunciation is Niger,
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but I think it’s supposed to be
an easy chair boy.
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Does that set up some confusion?
When it comes to what you call
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people who are from knees are
which is right nice niche
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Aryans?
Well, it’s well no, it’s
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actually it’s necessary and then
you see it’s actually it is kind
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of confusing.
I mean, this is all the fault of
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the French and Dutch colonists
who Korean oh, yeah, who invaded
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this land but the people aren’t
you, Jerry, and then something
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belonging to the people like,
they talk about the military and
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that’s nazarian with an E,
right?
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With an e as opposed to
Nigerian, with an, which is a.
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Yeah, in a pert, which who is a
person from Nigeria, not Niger.
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And I don’t know if Nigeria.
Is supposed to be pronounced
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Nigeria.
I’m hopelessly American like
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yeah, no clue, but I don’t think
so.
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I’ve never heard it pronounced
that way.
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I don’t think I haven’t either
so operation.
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Detachment Alpha, that is the
name of this unit, basically.
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It’s there several operation
Detachment Alpha units in the
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military and this was 3212, Oda
3212 right there, the 18th.
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That’s like they literally.
Yeah, scribe The Mez this is
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like who the 18 was based off
of, right?
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So this all happens in Los
Angeles, right?
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Yeah.
In the face is there and mr.
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T.
Yeah.
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Put you know, sleeping pills and
mr.
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T’s milk to get him over here.
Yeah.
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They’re in their van and then
Isis pops out.
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Right?
Classic stuff.
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Classical usually, they think
they were.
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And they were in a van, or
something like, yeah, they were
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in like a Hyundai SUVs.
Yeah, they weren’t like
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military.
Chuckles.
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Like, should they not be in
Hummers there in like soccer mom
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cars that welcome selves and
things.
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But I mean like that goes into
like I’m sure we’ll talk about
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big part of this story is like
the level of preparation that
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these guys had when they went
out on their mission.
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Like they weren’t prepared for a
right attack.
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One of the first things that
comes up, they talk to the
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families of the four men who
were killed which were Staff,
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sergeant, Dustin right, staff
sergeant, Brian, black Sergeant
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First Class.
Jeremiah Johnson, Sergeant Le
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David Johnson.
Those were the four men who were
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killed.
Yeah.
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And they obviously interview
their families extensively in
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this documentary and one of the
first things that comes up is in
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regards to Le David Johnson,
where the first reports that
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come out are that some people
were killed, but also Le David
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Johnson was maybe taken hostage
by ISIS.
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Which turned out not to be true
but that came from the military
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which if nothing else is just
kind of irresponsible.
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Yeah.
Like absolutely.
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They interview a guy named Mark
Mitchell, who was a former
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assistant Secretary of Defense.
And he says if he could find the
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person who delivered that
initial report this is a quote,
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he said he would fucking choke
them.
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Yeah, I enjoyed that and yeah
you can Tell he means it too.
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Like he’s really fucking mad
when he’s talking about this and
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I get it.
Yeah, it’s fucked up.
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And he talks about how there was
just from the get-go kind of a
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reluctance on the part of the
military to tell the truth about
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this.
I honestly feel like there’s a
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point where they try to get
these dudes killed, mmm, because
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the know what you mean, because
the same person who orders them
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to go on.
This mission is also the same
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one who refuses to let other US
troops go in and help like the
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French end up.
Saving us irony alert.
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Yeah, and the same guy, like it
seemed like he knew he fucked up
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and was like might be better off
if everyone just dies.
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Yeah it seemed like there was a
lot of as covering going on, it
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was really suspicious right from
the jump.
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James Gordon Meek appears on
camera in this.
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Yeah.
He does.
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It’s interesting.
I didn’t realize at first that
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he was like, such a creative
hand behind it until things kind
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of got going.
Yeah, unfortunately, we never
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see him standing or walking
because the fact that he’s just
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sitting at a desk, kind of
conceals that he is a giant, he
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likes 67.
I think I mean like he looks
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like a big guy even though he’s
seated like yeah, obviously
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seems like large like in fizzy
and So he says that he talked to
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Jeremiah Johnson’s mother and
that he told her he would find
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out what really happened here,
right?
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One of the first real fuck faces
who comes up in this is a guy
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named Colonel Moses.
Yeah he’s I would argue one of
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the two true villains in this.
I mean aside from the hundreds
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of Isis troops who killed these
for dinner in the American
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military-industrial right, Lex
right right patriot act right?
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You know everything we did after
9/11.
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Those are all villains exact but
this kernel Moses fuckface.
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Yeah.
He sucks.
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He’s a bad guy.
He’s the only person who suffers
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0 reprimands or ramifications
from this.
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Yeah, pretty much.
Hmm, he right out of the gate.
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Also starts, delivering
conflicting stories about what
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happened?
Especially again regarding Le
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David Johnson.
Yeah.
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Where he first says he was in
the back of the truck and the
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truck hit a tree and he was a
ejected 900 meters away.
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It’s like God.
Damn, how hard did that truck?
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Hit that tree, right, how fast
are they going?
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But then later, he told family
members that with David Johnson
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was driving truck that they were
in.
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And then when you see the
vehicles involved, there’s no
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way he was in back because
again, it’s like a Hyundai
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Tucson or some shit right?
It was wild.
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I was not expecting to see the
actual like they show the
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helmet, cam footage of this
attack and it’s it is hints
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heroin.
Yeah.
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Yeah, very yeah.
And there’s another guy will
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write.
Who is the brother of Staff?
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Sergeant Dustin, right?
Mmm, he was told Dustin was
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killed by mortar fire.
Yeah, but also, he was sent to
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identify the body and he was
former military and he had seen
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bodies that were killed by
mortar fire and he was like,
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nope, that’s not how my brother
died.
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That is not mortar fire.
He was just like shot.
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Yeah.
Said it was a man who had stood
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his ground and was riddled with
bullets.
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Yeah.
So right out of the gate, the
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families feel like they’re being
lied to.
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Yeah.
And the next person they talked
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to is a pretty important
character.
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In this major Alan van song
company commander of the 3rd
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Special Forces Group.
He was essentially the leader of
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this unit that carried out this
Mission like he was responsible
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for training them and preparing
them.
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Which that’s a very important
detail later on, right?
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He said he joined the army.
He doesn’t like explicitly, say
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he joined the army because he
watched Rambo a bunch, but he
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does kinda does kind of imply
it.
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And man, what a weird.
Take to come away from the movie
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Rambo with.
Yeah.
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And yet not the weirdest reason
that someone in this documentary
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gives for someone joining the
military.
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Are a couple weird ones.
Yeah I would say there are two
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that are even like we get three
and the other two are weirder.
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So yeah.
But like I just the one that
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blew me away was the sister of
Jeremiah Johnson tearfully
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explaining that after after
saying that he talking about,
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what a great guy he was.
He was such a kind and gentle
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man and a protector.
And she’s like and she says, and
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he wanted to, he said he wanted
to join.
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In the Army to legally kill
people and blow shit up.
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Sounds like a great guy.
Yeah and the way she says it
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because she not only says that
that was his reasoning and she
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goes and I said okay, that works
like that.
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Like that wasn’t a concerning
thing to hear.
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Someone say at all.
Yeah like you’re want to legally
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kill people.
That would be what I would say a
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red flag kind of implies that
there’s just this burning desire
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to kill people inside.
Yes, And the only how I
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interpret that.
Like, if someone said that to
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me, I would be concerned for my
safety.
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Yeah, yeah.
I’d be like, you know, I have
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plans the rest of the time until
you leave for the military.
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Yeah, bye yeah, yeah.
So that’s yeah.
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Anyway, just really stuck out to
me that line.
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And so he was the The advanced
operations base commander in
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nazaire Alan Vance on.
I mean, right?
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He was there to train African
soldiers because they needed to
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fight Isis and Al Qaeda on our
behalf and for no other reason.
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Yeah, exactly that’s it.
I don’t know about this guy.
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I don’t know about him.
He seems reasonable, but I don’t
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trust it.
He’s got too many teeth.
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He’s got shockingly straight
teeth very large.
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Kick in the face and just in
general, I don’t know again,
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like the Rambo thing just kind
of, I think set me on edge for
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the rest of the movie.
It is such a weird take because
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it’s not like the military
treated Rambo.
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Well, no, that’s the whole point
of this movie.
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Well, how does that make you
want to join the military?
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Yeah, there’s also remember he’s
like I’m here to hunt for
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Rambo’s and kill him.
Remember, hello rainbow?
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I think is Rainbow three had the
title card that that the movie
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is dedicated to the brave
mujahideen Fighters against yes,
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one of the best title cards, the
history of Cinema whoopsie.
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Look did not age well and I did
find the fact that they had so
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much video of this guy planning,
this Mission ahead of time was
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yes.
Interesting.
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I was like I was really shocked
because I thought that was like
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a re-enactment at first and then
you seal the David Anson in the
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footage.
I’m like, oh well, this is like
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film quality footage.
That was being shot at the time.
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Yeah, it’s really wild.
What David Johnson?
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Seems awesome.
Yes.
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I mean, yeah.
He’s the best of the bunch that
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we that we hear about.
Yeah.
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This is this fun footage of him.
Just chopping it up with the
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Nigerian soldiers nigiri.
Soldiers him cutting hair and
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then there’s this Snooze story.
Yeah, about how he lived in
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Miami and how he would ride his
bike from home to his job, but
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the bike only had one wheel.
Yeah, it was it through it like
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it.
He was like a local celebrity
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apparently like, every
apparently, a bunch of people in
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his area like knew him because
they would see this guy doing a
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permanent wheelie on his bike
all the time and there’s this
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footage of him riding on this
ledge.
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That is why Next to traffic.
Yeah.
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On what accounted?
It’s that goddamn that’s neat.
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He should have joined the
circus.
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Yeah, I wonder if he like just
wanted to ride his bike that way
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because there had to be someone
who saw that and was like, hey
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well you need a bike wheel like
will just give you a bite.
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Yeah, probably like I don’t
know, like the see how the
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sequence of events that kind of
popped into my mind is that he
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had a bike and was okay at doing
wheelies on it and the wheel
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fell off and instead of probably
didn’t have enough money to get
438
00:26:38,800 –> 00:26:42,500
a new bike or a new wheel and so
made the best of it and it just
439
00:26:42,500 –> 00:26:45,200
became this thing I guess.
Yeah.
440
00:26:45,200 –> 00:26:48,000
But he’s interesting.
He’s an interesting guy.
441
00:26:48,200 –> 00:26:51,100
Yeah, and I was really, there’s
a lot of that in this
442
00:26:51,100 –> 00:26:53,700
documentary and I’m going to be
honest, I fast-forwarded through
443
00:26:53,700 –> 00:26:56,200
some of it because we were on a
time crunch.
444
00:26:56,200 –> 00:26:58,300
I mean just the part where
you’re getting to know.
445
00:26:58,300 –> 00:27:01,300
Yeah.
The individual soldiers who were
446
00:27:01,300 –> 00:27:05,400
killed because this is the part
where the sister is like.
447
00:27:05,600 –> 00:27:08,800
He just wanted to legally kill.
Bolin blow stuff up and I’m
448
00:27:08,808 –> 00:27:11,500
like, all right I’m trying to
stay on everyone’s side here.
449
00:27:11,600 –> 00:27:15,000
Let’s just yeah, let’s just fast
but we don’t have to agree on
450
00:27:15,000 –> 00:27:19,200
everything to agree that look.
This this is a tragic tragic
451
00:27:19,200 –> 00:27:21,900
situation.
I don’t think what happened to
452
00:27:21,900 –> 00:27:25,200
these guys was good.
Like I’m not hassling.
453
00:27:25,200 –> 00:27:29,100
Not of course, is a very sad
documentary.
454
00:27:29,200 –> 00:27:34,700
Yeah, it’s very sad but also I
think it’s fair to say that
455
00:27:34,700 –> 00:27:36,600
maybe some of their some of
these people’s.
456
00:27:37,100 –> 00:27:40,800
Options may not have been pure
right?
457
00:27:40,800 –> 00:27:42,800
But I think that’s very safe to
say.
458
00:27:43,200 –> 00:27:46,900
So yeah, there’s this extended
section of the documentary with
459
00:27:46,900 –> 00:27:51,100
David Johnson gets the mention
here because he was the only one
460
00:27:51,100 –> 00:27:56,300
riding his bike on one wheel.
So cut to five months after the
461
00:27:56,300 –> 00:27:59,100
gunfight in tongo.
Tongo, that’s where this
462
00:27:59,100 –> 00:28:01,600
happened.
Isis takes responsibility for
463
00:28:01,600 –> 00:28:05,900
the Ambush and they release a
video about it.
464
00:28:06,000 –> 00:28:09,700
And that video Clouds footage
from Jeremiah Johnson’s, helmet
465
00:28:09,700 –> 00:28:10,700
camera.
Yeah.
466
00:28:10,800 –> 00:28:13,900
And this is where the military’s
version of events starts to
467
00:28:13,900 –> 00:28:17,200
unravel.
Mmm, the government comes out
468
00:28:17,300 –> 00:28:22,000
and in front of the whole world
after this video comes out, they
469
00:28:22,000 –> 00:28:25,400
say that the men who were killed
were part of basically, an inept
470
00:28:25,400 –> 00:28:29,100
group that didn’t train.
Yeah, or prepare well enough to
471
00:28:29,100 –> 00:28:31,300
be able to deal with the
situation they were in.
472
00:28:31,300 –> 00:28:35,000
Yeah, people weren’t happy about
that because it sounds a whole
473
00:28:35,000 –> 00:28:38,900
lot like what US lefties Like to
call victim-blaming.
474
00:28:40,100 –> 00:28:44,800
I mean it’s a, it’s an insane
stance and it is what really
475
00:28:44,800 –> 00:28:51,200
makes you think there is
something else going on here?
476
00:28:51,400 –> 00:28:56,100
Because there is, it is so hard
to believe that the fucking
477
00:28:56,100 –> 00:28:59,500
Pentagon would come out and be
like, yeah, our guys sucked.
478
00:28:59,600 –> 00:29:04,000
They were bad these guys.
They were just they, you know,
479
00:29:04,300 –> 00:29:06,000
we kind of fucked up on these
guys.
480
00:29:06,000 –> 00:29:10,300
They didn’t Weren’t trained well
or whatever like it just, it was
481
00:29:10,300 –> 00:29:14,900
such a weird statement you have
a government is normally not
482
00:29:14,900 –> 00:29:19,100
this quick to throw veterans
under the bus like normally we
483
00:29:19,100 –> 00:29:23,300
have to like come back home and
try to claim medical benefits
484
00:29:23,300 –> 00:29:26,900
for some disability that you got
while in the military and right
485
00:29:26,900 –> 00:29:30,400
then you find out they do not
have your back at all.
486
00:29:30,500 –> 00:29:33,700
Yeah this was immediate like as
soon as they died the government
487
00:29:33,700 –> 00:29:36,500
was like, fuck these in-app
motherfuckers.
488
00:29:36,700 –> 00:29:38,900
Yeah.
Yeah, like we treated the Abu
489
00:29:38,900 –> 00:29:43,600
ghraib guards better than we
treated these fucking guys who
490
00:29:43,600 –> 00:29:49,500
died and the claim from the
government is that Oda 3212,
491
00:29:49,500 –> 00:29:53,200
didn’t follow the proper chain
of command and didn’t inform
492
00:29:53,200 –> 00:29:57,500
their commanding officers of the
real intent of their mission.
493
00:29:57,500 –> 00:29:59,800
Basically, they’re saying they
were ill-prepared and they went
494
00:29:59,800 –> 00:30:03,500
off on a rogue mission that they
weren’t supposed to go on.
495
00:30:03,600 –> 00:30:08,000
And he says he basically implies
that if The chain of command
496
00:30:08,000 –> 00:30:10,800
knew what they were doing, the
mission would have been planned
497
00:30:10,800 –> 00:30:14,700
better and more successfully and
people would have lived right?
498
00:30:14,900 –> 00:30:18,900
Which ends up being the exact
opposite of what actually yeah
499
00:30:18,900 –> 00:30:22,000
happened.
It seems it’s just wild.
500
00:30:22,000 –> 00:30:25,700
I can’t either it’s one of the
most like unbelievable things
501
00:30:25,700 –> 00:30:28,500
that happens in.
Yeah, documentary, this report
502
00:30:28,500 –> 00:30:35,400
this statement but then there’s
also the USA Africa command
503
00:30:35,500 –> 00:30:40,000
report africom Mom is the
acronym for it, and they release
504
00:30:40,000 –> 00:30:42,800
their report.
And they basically say the same
505
00:30:42,800 –> 00:30:46,000
thing, like, that’s essentially
their version of events to is
506
00:30:46,000 –> 00:30:48,000
that?
Yeah, they just want to train
507
00:30:48,000 –> 00:30:49,100
that well, and they weren’t
good.
508
00:30:49,100 –> 00:30:51,800
They weren’t supposed to be out
on this Mission.
509
00:30:51,800 –> 00:30:56,100
He went rogue like, yeah, that
just that, that is.
510
00:30:56,100 –> 00:30:59,000
So it’s so insane.
That that’s their their
511
00:30:59,000 –> 00:31:00,700
reasoning here.
Is that these guys went.
512
00:31:00,700 –> 00:31:06,200
Oh, that is such an accusation.
Yeah, it’s a huge accusation and
513
00:31:07,100 –> 00:31:11,000
One who is interviewed in?
This is like no they didn’t like
514
00:31:11,000 –> 00:31:15,600
they would not do that and it
becomes pretty clear that no, it
515
00:31:15,600 –> 00:31:17,800
did not do that.
That is not at all.
516
00:31:17,800 –> 00:31:20,000
What happened?
Because he had for like for what
517
00:31:20,000 –> 00:31:22,700
for their like it’s because they
wanted to change this one guy
518
00:31:22,700 –> 00:31:27,600
down like yeah fucking break.
There’s a million dudes, just
519
00:31:27,600 –> 00:31:31,500
like this guy.
They wanted to hunt down and a
520
00:31:31,500 –> 00:31:36,400
thing I found weird that they
don’t really touch on in the
521
00:31:36,400 –> 00:31:38,500
document.
Theresa, maybe it’s not as weird
522
00:31:38,500 –> 00:31:42,000
as it seems to me, but their
Claim about this being a rogue
523
00:31:42,000 –> 00:31:44,700
Mission.
There were three missions that
524
00:31:44,700 –> 00:31:47,400
happened in the course of this
incident.
525
00:31:47,400 –> 00:31:50,400
And what they’re saying, what
the government was saying, was
526
00:31:50,400 –> 00:31:53,900
that that first mission they
went on, was the Rogue Mission.
527
00:31:54,000 –> 00:31:55,500
Yeah.
But nothing happened.
528
00:31:55,500 –> 00:31:59,400
They didn’t like that’s not when
the shootings happened that,
529
00:31:59,400 –> 00:32:03,100
like, none of it was a very
uneventful thing where they just
530
00:32:03,100 –> 00:32:06,600
basically wasted their time,
driving to the spot and looking
531
00:32:06,600 –> 00:32:09,400
for someone Who wasn’t there and
they turned around went back to
532
00:32:09,400 –> 00:32:11,200
base.
So how was that?
533
00:32:11,200 –> 00:32:14,500
The cause and makes no sense.
Yeah, I don’t know.
534
00:32:14,700 –> 00:32:16,600
I mean it right.
It doesn’t make sense because
535
00:32:16,600 –> 00:32:18,400
it’s a lie.
Yeah.
536
00:32:18,700 –> 00:32:24,600
And so they return to base and
as they’re almost back to base,
537
00:32:24,600 –> 00:32:30,600
they get in order from their
superiors, their High command,
538
00:32:30,900 –> 00:32:34,500
that they are to go to a
different location where this
539
00:32:34,500 –> 00:32:39,800
terrorists whose name.
I Massively misspelled notes,
540
00:32:39,800 –> 00:32:42,000
Dune du Chef.
Ooh, that’s who they were
541
00:32:42,000 –> 00:32:44,700
looking for.
Was this one terrorist that is
542
00:32:44,700 –> 00:32:48,900
the government’s claim?
Almost immediately is that it’s
543
00:32:48,900 –> 00:32:53,600
confusing follow along at home.
If he can this group went on a
544
00:32:53,600 –> 00:32:56,700
rogue Mission, looking for this
guy, right?
545
00:32:56,700 –> 00:32:59,600
Didn’t find him.
And then when they were coming
546
00:32:59,600 –> 00:33:04,600
back to base their superiors,
sent them on an approved mission
547
00:33:04,700 –> 00:33:06,100
to go.
Look for this guy.
548
00:33:06,200 –> 00:33:09,700
Yeah.
It’s a strange strange turn of
549
00:33:09,700 –> 00:33:12,500
events.
Yeah, it doesn’t make sense
550
00:33:12,900 –> 00:33:17,500
because it’s a lie and what ends
up happening is this other
551
00:33:17,500 –> 00:33:20,100
mission that they’re sent on.
It’s going to take them like six
552
00:33:20,100 –> 00:33:24,700
more hours and the team there to
like the the Nigeria team that
553
00:33:24,700 –> 00:33:28,400
they’re traveling with has been
like working for 18 hours,
554
00:33:28,400 –> 00:33:31,300
everyone’s tired.
They were prepared for a day
555
00:33:31,300 –> 00:33:34,600
trip that is now turning into an
overnight Mission.
556
00:33:34,600 –> 00:33:36,700
So they don’t have the necessary
supplies.
557
00:33:37,100 –> 00:33:40,400
But they’re supposed to just be
the backup team.
558
00:33:40,400 –> 00:33:43,700
A team is going to go in on
helicopters first and like what?
559
00:33:44,200 –> 00:33:48,200
Like shoot and blow shit up.
And then this backup team is
560
00:33:48,200 –> 00:33:51,600
going to come in, but weather
gets really bad.
561
00:33:51,800 –> 00:33:55,400
And the helicopter team is not
able to fly in.
562
00:33:55,800 –> 00:33:59,000
So of course, they abandon the
mission, all together and
563
00:33:59,000 –> 00:34:01,700
everyone goes back to base.
Just joking.
564
00:34:02,400 –> 00:34:06,900
This group is ordered to go in
as the primary group instead.
565
00:34:07,100 –> 00:34:09,900
At no backup, no helicopter
cover.
566
00:34:09,900 –> 00:34:14,699
Yeah, and they actually have a
photo of one of them on a
567
00:34:14,699 –> 00:34:18,199
satellite phone with their
commanding officers.
568
00:34:18,199 –> 00:34:22,000
Basically saying this this is a
terrible idea like we were going
569
00:34:22,000 –> 00:34:26,900
to die if you send us in to do
this and for one thing, does
570
00:34:26,900 –> 00:34:29,100
that sound like a team who just
pulled off?
571
00:34:29,100 –> 00:34:32,000
A rogue operation right?
That was so gung.
572
00:34:32,000 –> 00:34:35,600
Ho looking for this guy that
they ignored chain of command to
573
00:34:35,600 –> 00:34:39,600
go looking for him and now Now,
when their superiors are saying,
574
00:34:40,100 –> 00:34:42,800
go look for him, they’re like,
no, no bad idea.
575
00:34:42,800 –> 00:34:43,900
I don’t want to do it.
Yeah.
576
00:34:44,199 –> 00:34:46,699
Well, there’s so Rogue.
They want to do whatever the
577
00:34:46,699 –> 00:34:50,300
opposite of their superiors want
to do.
578
00:34:50,699 –> 00:34:52,100
Yeah.
For no reason.
579
00:34:52,400 –> 00:34:57,700
Yeah, it makes no sense and
those objections get overruled.
580
00:34:58,400 –> 00:35:03,400
One of the people they end up
contacting is Lieutenant Colonel
581
00:35:03,400 –> 00:35:06,200
painter.
He is the other really big fuck
582
00:35:06,200 –> 00:35:09,700
face.
All of this Moses and painter.
583
00:35:09,900 –> 00:35:13,400
Moses is painters Superior.
Hmm.
584
00:35:13,600 –> 00:35:18,300
And painter is Alan Vance on.
He is right.
585
00:35:18,300 –> 00:35:22,500
Painter is his Superior and then
Alan van, son is in charge of
586
00:35:22,500 –> 00:35:25,100
this unit.
That went on this Mission, he’s
587
00:35:25,100 –> 00:35:28,900
in charge of training and
preparing them for it.
588
00:35:29,000 –> 00:35:34,200
So painter tells them no, you
still, you still got to go do it
589
00:35:34,300 –> 00:35:41,000
and it doesn’t go well, know it.
It goes very badly and for some
590
00:35:41,000 –> 00:35:44,700
reason that part, where one of
them?
591
00:35:44,800 –> 00:35:47,200
What was his name was a para
zini?
592
00:35:47,300 –> 00:35:51,000
Was it was Captain, para zini
was the guy’s name who called
593
00:35:51,300 –> 00:35:54,700
with his objections, for some
reason that part where he
594
00:35:54,700 –> 00:35:58,500
objected to this mission is
never shared with the public.
595
00:35:58,600 –> 00:36:03,900
It’s not in the africom report,
that just never comes up even
596
00:36:03,900 –> 00:36:06,700
worse.
They blame him for this mission.
597
00:36:07,000 –> 00:36:09,900
Failing like the government
comes out and says, you know,
598
00:36:09,900 –> 00:36:12,000
it’s actually that guy’s fault
because he was supposed to be
599
00:36:12,000 –> 00:36:15,500
leading everyone and he, he did.
He did bad.
600
00:36:15,500 –> 00:36:17,500
He did bad.
Yeah.
601
00:36:17,800 –> 00:36:20,000
It’s nuts.
Yeah it is.
602
00:36:20,100 –> 00:36:25,500
This whole thing is crazy.
So the way this attack happened,
603
00:36:25,500 –> 00:36:28,700
they went on this Mission, they
travel six hours, nothing
604
00:36:28,700 –> 00:36:31,700
happens.
And again, they’re coming back
605
00:36:31,800 –> 00:36:35,200
from, they’re heading back to
the base and they stopped in
606
00:36:35,200 –> 00:36:39,500
this Village called Tango Tango
to get more supplies and meet up
607
00:36:39,500 –> 00:36:41,900
with Village leaders.
There’s a weird claim in the
608
00:36:41,908 –> 00:36:44,700
documentary that the village
leader like kept this meat and
609
00:36:44,700 –> 00:36:49,300
going longer than usual to like
Aid, the people that pulled off
610
00:36:49,300 –> 00:36:52,500
this and brush and they just
like mention that and Move on.
611
00:36:52,500 –> 00:36:57,600
Yeah, I believe is because like
the meeting just didn’t like
612
00:36:57,700 –> 00:37:03,000
they were waiting for some thing
that never ended up arriving.
613
00:37:03,000 –> 00:37:06,600
And it just happened to be long
enough for there to be an ambush
614
00:37:06,600 –> 00:37:09,000
and waiting.
So yeah, there was suspicion.
615
00:37:09,300 –> 00:37:12,200
Who knows?
It’s impossible to say now at
616
00:37:12,200 –> 00:37:13,300
this point.
Yeah.
617
00:37:13,500 –> 00:37:17,600
Whatever the case the Convoy
they’re traveling in gets
618
00:37:17,600 –> 00:37:21,200
ambushed and they are massively
outnumbered.
619
00:37:21,300 –> 00:37:23,700
Yeah.
And eventually most of the
620
00:37:23,700 –> 00:37:27,700
vehicles flee.
But the one carrying three of
621
00:37:27,700 –> 00:37:31,300
the men who were killed for.
Some reason stays behind or
622
00:37:31,300 –> 00:37:36,900
otherwise get stuck inside this
Kill Zone and there’s video of
623
00:37:36,900 –> 00:37:42,300
all of this and it’s heroin like
you see the moment where the guy
624
00:37:42,300 –> 00:37:45,500
who’s wearing the helmet?
That is filming the helmet, cam
625
00:37:45,500 –> 00:37:50,000
footage gets shot and dies.
Like you see him fall?
626
00:37:50,100 –> 00:37:52,100
He’s like, you only see his
Hands.
627
00:37:52,100 –> 00:37:55,300
But right because it’s
first-person perspective but
628
00:37:55,300 –> 00:37:58,300
it’s intense, it’s it’s crazy
terrifying.
629
00:37:58,400 –> 00:38:02,500
And the rest of the group is
down to like 60 rounds of
630
00:38:02,500 –> 00:38:04,600
ammunition and they are trapped
in.
631
00:38:04,600 –> 00:38:08,100
This is the point where they
reach out to high command and
632
00:38:08,100 –> 00:38:11,300
request assistance.
And they, for some reason, their
633
00:38:11,300 –> 00:38:15,500
superiors refused to allow
American troops to go in and
634
00:38:15,500 –> 00:38:18,900
help.
Yeah, it makes no sense like no
635
00:38:19,000 –> 00:38:22,700
the only I’m sorry the only way
it makes sense in Obviously,
636
00:38:22,700 –> 00:38:26,600
like hasn’t been proven and no
one’s suggesting, it’s the case.
637
00:38:26,600 –> 00:38:30,100
But the only way it makes sense
of is, if it’s that like real
638
00:38:30,100 –> 00:38:34,000
movie villain shit where this
guy’s like, oh, I fucked up so
639
00:38:34,000 –> 00:38:36,400
bad.
That might be in my best
640
00:38:36,400 –> 00:38:40,100
interest for these dudes to die
so I don’t lose my career.
641
00:38:40,200 –> 00:38:44,400
That’s the vibe that I got from
all of the information
642
00:38:44,400 –> 00:38:46,100
presented.
Yeah.
643
00:38:46,100 –> 00:38:50,400
Like when the guy who orders you
to go in, is also the guy who
644
00:38:50,400 –> 00:38:53,300
refuses to send in Help.
That’s a bad look.
645
00:38:53,300 –> 00:38:58,100
It’s very bad look and again
yeah them the French end up
646
00:38:58,100 –> 00:39:02,000
being the one’s who I don’t know
how they got wind of this but
647
00:39:02,000 –> 00:39:06,100
they just send a fighter jet in
as like a show of force.
648
00:39:06,200 –> 00:39:08,200
Yeah.
And Isis is like fuck man were
649
00:39:08,200 –> 00:39:10,000
motorcycles.
We gotta get the fuck out of
650
00:39:10,000 –> 00:39:12,900
here.
Yes that’s gotten way out of
651
00:39:12,900 –> 00:39:16,000
hand now and that’s all it takes
and then France goes on with
652
00:39:16,000 –> 00:39:18,300
helicopters and gets everyone
out.
653
00:39:18,300 –> 00:39:21,700
Why couldn’t we have done that?
Yeah, seems like very doable.
654
00:39:22,300 –> 00:39:26,100
And yeah that I mean like like
you said, the only explanation
655
00:39:26,400 –> 00:39:31,100
seems to be that this guy for
like wanted these people dead
656
00:39:31,400 –> 00:39:33,300
because he fucked up.
Yeah.
657
00:39:33,300 –> 00:39:37,900
Like I know that sounds extreme
but explained otherwise like
658
00:39:37,900 –> 00:39:40,100
there’s no other reason to
refuse extreme.
659
00:39:40,100 –> 00:39:44,100
Yeah, there’s no other reason to
refuse to help these men so
660
00:39:44,200 –> 00:39:48,100
there’s no actual evidence that
they went rogue, right?
661
00:39:48,400 –> 00:39:51,500
So the next question and I
didn’t see this twist coming.
662
00:39:51,900 –> 00:39:54,900
The next question becomes.
Well, why were they told to keep
663
00:39:54,900 –> 00:39:59,100
going, even though the team
raised all these concerns, and
664
00:39:59,100 –> 00:40:03,000
that’s when James Gordon Meek
mentions this Third vehicle.
665
00:40:03,000 –> 00:40:06,000
Yeah, there was a reconnaissance
team.
666
00:40:06,100 –> 00:40:10,300
They were supposed to be just
Nigeria locals, I guess.
667
00:40:10,300 –> 00:40:12,600
Like Nigeria reconnaissance
team.
668
00:40:12,600 –> 00:40:14,700
James Gordon Meek says he
confirmed.
669
00:40:14,700 –> 00:40:17,700
They were actually three CIA
operatives.
670
00:40:17,800 –> 00:40:21,600
Hmm, who just happen to be based
in Niger?
671
00:40:21,900 –> 00:40:26,100
And just just happened to be
there, just conveniently there
672
00:40:26,300 –> 00:40:29,300
with a whole bunch of military
cover that did not want to be
673
00:40:29,300 –> 00:40:30,300
there.
Hmm.
674
00:40:30,500 –> 00:40:33,600
And it turns out they were the
ones hunting.
675
00:40:34,400 –> 00:40:38,500
Don’t do Chef, who hoping, he’d
lead them to an American man,
676
00:40:38,500 –> 00:40:40,400
who’d been kidnapped in the
area.
677
00:40:40,400 –> 00:40:43,400
Guy named Jeffrey would key
accept Jeffrey would keys, not
678
00:40:43,400 –> 00:40:45,100
mentioned in any of the
planning.
679
00:40:45,100 –> 00:40:47,800
He’s not mentioned in that
africom report.
680
00:40:47,800 –> 00:40:51,700
He’s not mentioned anywhere
until way way way later.
681
00:40:51,800 –> 00:40:55,000
Her when the military is trying
to justify this mission that got
682
00:40:55,000 –> 00:40:57,500
four Dudes killed.
Then they’re like oh we were
683
00:40:57,500 –> 00:41:00,400
trying to save an American.
Yeah, we have no evidence that
684
00:41:00,400 –> 00:41:04,500
3212 knew that this guy even
existed.
685
00:41:04,600 –> 00:41:07,000
No and goddamnit.
Who were those?
686
00:41:07,000 –> 00:41:10,800
Three dudes in that car?
That is an interesting question.
687
00:41:10,900 –> 00:41:16,200
I would like to know and from
there the documentary just kind
688
00:41:16,200 –> 00:41:18,800
of, it gets into like, typical
cover up shit.
689
00:41:18,800 –> 00:41:21,700
The government starts blaming
people who don’t need
690
00:41:21,900 –> 00:41:25,200
Necessarily be blamed, I still
think it’s weird.
691
00:41:25,200 –> 00:41:28,900
That Alan van son takes the
brunt of the punishment for
692
00:41:28,900 –> 00:41:29,700
this.
Yeah.
693
00:41:29,700 –> 00:41:33,800
But absolutely, it’s, he’s
absolutely a scapegoat, he’s the
694
00:41:33,800 –> 00:41:38,200
guy who the government said was
responsible for training these
695
00:41:38,200 –> 00:41:42,800
forces in, therefore he was
derelict in his duties, right?
696
00:41:42,800 –> 00:41:45,600
And he gets the kind of
reprimand that bait.
697
00:41:45,600 –> 00:41:48,400
Like he asked the guy who gives
him the reprimand, like, okay,
698
00:41:48,400 –> 00:41:51,200
where do I go from here?
And he’s like, yeah.
699
00:41:51,800 –> 00:41:54,200
You ain’t gotta go home, but you
do have to get the fuck out of
700
00:41:54,207 –> 00:41:56,300
here.
Like exactly.
701
00:41:56,400 –> 00:41:59,500
He has no future in the military
at all.
702
00:41:59,500 –> 00:42:04,500
And this guy was in the United
States when this attack happened
703
00:42:04,800 –> 00:42:08,500
his right, yeah.
His wife delivering a child.
704
00:42:08,500 –> 00:42:10,900
Yeah.
And he finds out the morning.
705
00:42:10,900 –> 00:42:14,400
That child is born that this
attack has happened and someone
706
00:42:14,400 –> 00:42:16,100
says, you need to come into
work.
707
00:42:16,100 –> 00:42:19,300
And then at the end of the day,
the government is like him.
708
00:42:19,400 –> 00:42:21,700
It’s all his fault.
It’s all the guy, the guy.
709
00:42:21,800 –> 00:42:26,600
Who wasn’t there or involved, it
was him, it was him nuts, very
710
00:42:26,600 –> 00:42:30,600
nuts.
And meanwhile Colonel Moses and
711
00:42:30,600 –> 00:42:33,400
Lieutenant.
Colonel painter are never really
712
00:42:33,400 –> 00:42:36,800
reprimanded.
Painter gets a reprimand of some
713
00:42:36,800 –> 00:42:40,700
sort, but he’s also promoted to
Colonel shortly thereafter.
714
00:42:40,800 –> 00:42:42,300
He doesn’t.
Yeah, he doesn’t get the
715
00:42:42,300 –> 00:42:44,500
dismissal.
He gets, he just gets the
716
00:42:44,500 –> 00:42:49,000
reprimand, like, right Vance on
got the reprimand that and it
717
00:42:49,000 –> 00:42:53,300
was like the reprimand said,
like and now No pack your shit.
718
00:42:53,300 –> 00:42:55,300
Yeah, please leave Colonel
Moses.
719
00:42:55,300 –> 00:43:00,200
Meanwhile, no reprimand, no
Punishment, No ramifications at
720
00:43:00,200 –> 00:43:05,100
all, shocker, but he’s also like
he was one of the people like he
721
00:43:05,100 –> 00:43:10,800
was the person in charge of the
person who fucked all this up.
722
00:43:10,900 –> 00:43:13,500
Well, it’s like so I can’t
remember who in the documentary
723
00:43:13,500 –> 00:43:14,800
is.
One of the family members said,
724
00:43:14,800 –> 00:43:17,800
like, why did the books?
Why did the buck stop with this?
725
00:43:17,800 –> 00:43:21,300
What with him like why why like
what’s the point of the chain of
726
00:43:21,308 –> 00:43:24,500
command?
If the people at the very top
727
00:43:24,500 –> 00:43:27,700
aren’t getting in trouble,
you’re making bad decisions.
728
00:43:27,800 –> 00:43:28,700
Yeah.
No.
729
00:43:28,700 –> 00:43:33,000
One who made these decisions
here got in any trouble.
730
00:43:33,300 –> 00:43:35,200
It’s a really depressing
documentary.
731
00:43:35,300 –> 00:43:42,000
It is, it’s also very depressing
that the will write that brother
732
00:43:42,000 –> 00:43:46,300
of one of the guys who died in
the wake of this decides to
733
00:43:46,300 –> 00:43:50,600
re-enlist in the military at age
33.
734
00:43:50,800 –> 00:43:53,800
Yeah.
And obviously his parents are
735
00:43:53,800 –> 00:43:57,900
like very against the idea and
they don’t want that.
736
00:43:58,000 –> 00:44:02,000
Like, they’re like this is
pointless and it is and like it
737
00:44:02,000 –> 00:44:05,900
just seems like he wants revenge
and that’s really a fucked-up
738
00:44:05,900 –> 00:44:08,900
reason to join the military,
does it seem like he wants
739
00:44:08,900 –> 00:44:11,400
revenge or does it seem like he
wants to die?
740
00:44:11,500 –> 00:44:14,900
Because there is that scene
where he talks about how his
741
00:44:14,900 –> 00:44:17,200
brother died.
And he literally says, I’m
742
00:44:17,200 –> 00:44:21,600
jealous like, yeah, he says as a
warrior, that’s better.
743
00:44:21,800 –> 00:44:26,600
How I want to die and it’s like,
oh this is it, and this is dark,
744
00:44:27,200 –> 00:44:30,800
there’s no reason those aren’t
mutually exclusive true true.
745
00:44:30,900 –> 00:44:35,000
Like they could very well both
be true but like he definitely
746
00:44:35,000 –> 00:44:37,300
see.
Like just the fact that he
747
00:44:37,400 –> 00:44:42,800
specifically says, I’m not doing
this for Revenge kind of makes
748
00:44:42,800 –> 00:44:45,300
me.
Think he’s doing it for perfect.
749
00:44:45,800 –> 00:44:49,100
Yeah, a little bit.
Yeah, it is a shocking
750
00:44:49,200 –> 00:44:53,600
documentary, but I’m also A
pretty sure this isn’t, what got
751
00:44:53,600 –> 00:44:58,300
James Gordon, Meek disappeared?
Because for one thing, you’d
752
00:44:58,300 –> 00:45:01,400
think the government would have
done something to try and stop
753
00:45:01,400 –> 00:45:05,700
it as opposed to like, being all
reactionary about it.
754
00:45:05,800 –> 00:45:10,800
But the fact that that other ABC
News producer who worked on this
755
00:45:10,800 –> 00:45:15,800
also quit and just like, hasn’t
been seen since, I don’t know,
756
00:45:16,100 –> 00:45:22,000
like it, it doesn’t really bring
up anything that the Biden And
757
00:45:22,000 –> 00:45:25,600
what want to disappear?
This guy over but it does bring
758
00:45:25,600 –> 00:45:28,700
up things that the American
government as a whole right
759
00:45:28,800 –> 00:45:32,400
might have a problem with and he
was about to get off into
760
00:45:32,800 –> 00:45:35,200
reporting on things.
The Biden Administration would
761
00:45:35,200 –> 00:45:38,800
have a huge problem with right
being the yeah.
762
00:45:38,800 –> 00:45:42,800
His reporting on the withdrawal
from Afghanistan, which he was a
763
00:45:42,800 –> 00:45:47,300
week away from accepting an
award for his reporting on that.
764
00:45:47,300 –> 00:45:52,700
So, who knows?
Yeah, I mean that, Obviously
765
00:45:52,700 –> 00:46:00,100
adds a entire weird Dimension to
this whole documentary that will
766
00:46:00,100 –> 00:46:02,500
I mean yeah it’s still
unresolved I yeah I don’t think
767
00:46:02,500 –> 00:46:08,100
that I mean it seems unlikely
that this alone is what could
768
00:46:08,100 –> 00:46:12,700
have led to that.
Yeah at the same time it you
769
00:46:12,700 –> 00:46:17,100
know maybe it’s part of a
pattern I don’t know.
770
00:46:17,100 –> 00:46:20,200
It’s a it’s a that is such a
weird story.
771
00:46:20,600 –> 00:46:23,900
It is.
I’m interested to see if we’re
772
00:46:23,900 –> 00:46:30,300
ever going to get any resolution
or is James Meek just done as a
773
00:46:30,300 –> 00:46:33,600
writer and reporter now.
Yeah, yeah.
774
00:46:33,600 –> 00:46:36,700
I mean, like I said earlier, it
does seem like there’s a lot of
775
00:46:36,700 –> 00:46:40,700
information here that were
missing that sure.
776
00:46:40,700 –> 00:46:44,700
I mean I mean surely it’ll come
out eventually like but who
777
00:46:44,700 –> 00:46:47,800
knows, who knows?
Yeah, I mean, eventually they
778
00:46:47,800 –> 00:46:51,800
even with this documentary, they
mentioned that, I think, It’s
779
00:46:51,800 –> 00:46:56,200
the africom report, the
redactions in that were
780
00:46:56,200 –> 00:47:01,200
classified for 25 years.
So it’s going to be a while
781
00:47:01,300 –> 00:47:05,300
before we hear anything about
this story and probably about
782
00:47:05,300 –> 00:47:09,300
James Gordon Meek to yeah.
And who in 25 years, would even
783
00:47:09,700 –> 00:47:11,300
who’s going to care for?
Yeah.
784
00:47:11,300 –> 00:47:14,600
Anything about this as if we’re
going to be a country in 25
785
00:47:14,600 –> 00:47:16,200
years, right.
Exactly.
786
00:47:16,200 –> 00:47:19,300
I mean for sure yeah.
But like, yeah, the only people
787
00:47:19,300 –> 00:47:22,900
who will remember the story in
Five years, are the family
788
00:47:22,900 –> 00:47:24,100
members.
Yep.
789
00:47:24,300 –> 00:47:25,900
Of these guys.
Who died?
790
00:47:26,300 –> 00:47:31,000
Yeah.
Oof bad times bad bad times but
791
00:47:31,100 –> 00:47:32,800
I think that’s our episode,
right?
792
00:47:32,900 –> 00:47:35,100
I think so.
This is, I would, I would
793
00:47:35,100 –> 00:47:38,000
recommend this documentary,
especially if you’re especially
794
00:47:38,000 –> 00:47:42,600
if you’re a skeptic about the
government lying, like come on
795
00:47:42,600 –> 00:47:44,700
the government.
Lies all the time, get a life.
796
00:47:44,800 –> 00:47:46,500
Yeah, I mean you listen to this
show.
797
00:47:46,500 –> 00:47:48,300
You’re skeptic about the
government.
798
00:47:48,300 –> 00:47:51,400
Like, yeah.
So what do we have to?
799
00:47:51,700 –> 00:47:55,100
Bug before we get out of here.
One thing you can get yourself a
800
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805
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Oh, I feel good hopping on that
piggybacking on the title of
806
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In the middle of a redacted,
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We’re going to try and get all
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Like you should have them by
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We’re not doing International
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The shirts are a little cheaper,
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That’s all yeah, that’s all I
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got.
There was probably an ad for
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Also at some point during this
825
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826
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you don’t hear ads.
So you’re hearing one now
827
00:49:29,200 –> 00:49:31,700
Olivia, what else do we have to
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Well you can listen to going
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834
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Very good times.
Yeah, we’re close.
835
00:49:59,700 –> 00:50:02,200
We’re closing in on the end of
season 1.
836
00:50:02,300 –> 00:50:04,900
Yeah, means that that pod will
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But in the meantime, if you
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Yeah, thing you get bonus
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get a whole other podcast.
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Ha.
Yeah, it’s Graham things.
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Things are looking bad for
Twitter.
844
00:50:30,600 –> 00:50:34,100
Mmm, it’s fun to watch and I
think that’s it.
845
00:50:34,100 –> 00:50:36,400
Let’s get out of here.
Olivia say goodbye.
846
00:50:36,500 –> 00:50:38,200
Bye.
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