Adam and Olivia look into the controversy surrounding the extradition of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange and the threat it poses to freedom of the press in the United States.
Show notes: https://unpops.co/3iHIQt6
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Welcome to conspiracy the show.
The world’s most trusted
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conspiracy theory podcast with
your host, Adam Todd Brown and
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Olivia haydar
Hey, everybody, Welcome to
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conspiracy the show.
I’m Adam, Todd Brown.
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And I’m Olivia hide our, and
that makes us your hosts,
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Olivia.
How’s it going?
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It’s going well, it’s going
well, II.
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Actually like, kind of mean that
for once.
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Nice, that’s good to hear.
Yeah, I’m fine.
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And I mean, that, you know, I’m
just fine.
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This is a, we are talking about
some ripped from the headlines
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stuff.
If I had, if I had a soundboard
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in reach, it would play the Law
and Order sting right now.
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Yeah, you know, yeah, the real
quick one, not the whole, not
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the Jazzy, bass line intro.
Oh sure.
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I mean, I love the, the Law &
Order, theme the classic Law &
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Order theme.
Have you ever seen will are That
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play are Law & Order theme?
No it is I don’t think so if you
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can find video of it is one of
the funniest fucking things
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you’ll ever see.
Yeah, it’s so good.
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I love that.
We’re talking about Julian
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Assange.
Mmm.
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We haven’t talked about him much
because I think like myself you
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don’t like Julian Assange that
much.
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I don’t like him personally.
Yeah, he have complicated
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feelings about his Is legal
status.
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But like as a dude, I don’t like
him.
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Yeah, I can tell he’s someone.
I wouldn’t want to hang out
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with, right?
And the thing about Julian
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Assange, as it relates to
WikiLeaks.
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It’s kind of a separate, the
artist from the art kind of
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thing.
And Julian Assange himself has
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said, well, I’m like the face of
WikiLeaks.
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I’m the one who, when there’s a
controversy about something
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we’ve done, I’m the one who
kind.
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Of takes that on, right?
And that means he gets a lot of
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heat for the things which he
leaks does, but it also means he
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gets a lot more credit for what
Wikileaks does, then he might
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necessarily deserve.
Yeah.
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So he’s kind of become this
celebrity just because of his
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role in the company.
Whereas, there are so many other
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people working behind the scenes
to actually pull this work off.
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Yeah, he’s a figurehead.
He’s a very toxic figurehead.
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Like, I don’t know if I were
Wikileaks.
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I would probably not want him to
be the face of my organization.
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Yeah, he stepped down.
Didn’t he?
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You know, I’m pretty sure he’s
not the head of WikiLeaks.
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Any, I mean, like, yeah, I feel
like it would be tough living at
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the Ecuadorian Embassy and doing
that at the same time.
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Yeah, yeah.
No.
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He’s, he is not anymore.
He hasn’t been for a while.
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Yeah.
We’re mostly talking about the
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controversy surrounding the US.
Wanting to extradite.
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Julian Assange.
Yeah.
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And it’s one of those things
where sometimes the cost of an
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actual Free Press and
legitimately free speech is
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sometimes you got to stick up
for a guy who was accused of
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spreading shit on the walls
inside, the Ecuadorian Embassy
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among other crimes and like
skateboarding in the halls and
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like, and also a guy who was
credibly accused Of sexual
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assault by multiple women in
Sweden that like we cannot talk
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about Julie to such without, was
it melt replacing multiple
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women?
I thought it was just one really
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certain it was two women.
Oh at least.
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Yeah, yeah.
So all of that obviously
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complicates matters, Julian
Assange, just kind of sucks,
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right?
But all of that is kind of his
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like all of the the shit on the
walls and the the rape and all
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that stuff is separate from.
Why governments want to hunt him
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and that makes it so annoying
and complicated, right?
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So before we dive into the
extradition Saga, let’s just get
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everyone up to speed on the
Julian.
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Assange.
Story up to this point, like
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really high level overview
stuff.
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There’s like movies about this.
It’s very complicated.
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I can’t believe, are you?
You’re gonna pass by the Julie?
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The a julienne, a saga.
That was in the notes just for
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the people at home.
Yeah, I said Julian Assange Saga
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in the notes and then I put an
end to seize.
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Julian a saga.
I think it’s just I couldn’t
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believe you would what?
A job is get by its.
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Yeah, that’s great.
Well hey thanks.
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I appreciate it.
Yeah.
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I just put it in there.
Hoping you would reference it
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and notice it in the course of
the pack and he helped establish
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Wikileaks back in 2006.
A long time ago, it was when
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yeash when Josh was still in
office and a lot of their more
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inflammatory material early on
had a lot to do with the Bush
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Administration and our
excursions in the Middle East.
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Excursions.
Yeah.
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That’s one way to put it.
That just makes it sound so much
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more lighthearted.
Yeah, it’s A Tribe Called Quest
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song.
It’s All That is they made
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headlines not long after when
they uploaded documents that
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were supplied by US Army
intelligence Since analyst
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Chelsea Manning.
Yeah, I have a very interesting
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relationship to this story that
we will talk about at the end.
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Yeah, I can’t wait because,
yeah, you told me about this in
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that I knew that hacker who
turned Chelsea Manning in.
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That’s just it that it, that
blows my mind.
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Yeah, but not at the time, it
was like years and years later.
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And add a weird point in my
life, where I was like, how are
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you showing up in my life?
Life right.
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Right.
Weird.
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We’ll talk about it.
Yeah.
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But kind of a bad sign in 2010.
Wikileaks released what has come
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to be known as the collateral
murder video ever.
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Watch this video.
I did it is when it came out.
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Yeah, it’s heroin.
It is basically a video of US
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soldiers shooting civilians in
Iraq from a helicopter,
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including A Reuters journalists,
and his assistant.
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Yeah, purposely, they meant to
kill these civilian.
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Yeah, like Sarah Palin hunting
wolves from a fucking
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helicopter?
Wait, did that happen?
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Oh, you don’t.
You’re not wearing the
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controversy?
Yeah, I don’t remember that, but
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that’s just what it came up.
Makes me think of the thing.
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Okay, but back when she was
campaigning with John McCain.
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Yeah, no.
Yeah, but what if she was trying
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to stop a shape shift to get?
We don’t know.
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You never know.
We don’t know.
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Yeah, Reuters had previously
requested that video.
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As you might expect, sure, under
a Freedom of Information Act
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request in the government said,
no, I cannot imagine what their
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reasoning was, probably
something like, it’s not in the
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public interest, sure?
Yeah, sure.
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It’s not National Security blah
blah.
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It was so easy for them to just
hide shit under The terrorism
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Banner especially during this
time.
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Yeah and still like all they
really are still.
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All they really ever have to say
is National Security and of
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course shit.
Just stays locked away for
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another 25 years.
Released the Elvis files but
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like I want to know what?
Part of Argentina he lived in
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with the Nazis, right?
It’s just, like, it’s hard to
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remember that mindset of like
what it was like back in like
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2006.
Thousand Seven when this was
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happening like it was just
everywhere.
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It was just all in the air this
like terrorism bullshit and like
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fear-mongering it was awful.
Yeah.
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So later that same year 2010,
Wikileaks release, the Iraq War
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logs which was a collection of
more than 300,000 US army.
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Field reports from the war
covering 2004 to 2009.
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Hmm, whole franchise.
This was they drop two sequels
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in Rapid succession.
The Afghanistan war logs, which
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was part 2.
And the Guantanamo Bay files
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which was part 3 released in
July 2010 in April, 2011,
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respectively.
And they also at one point,
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released a bunch of us
diplomatic cables that were
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referred to as the cablegate
files.
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Cablegate files are arguably the
most important thing they
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released.
Right, for one thing at least in
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part it leads to the Arab
Spring.
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Yes.
Because the Diplomatic cables
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were just exactly what it sounds
like us diplomats from all
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around the world who are poured
in back to probably the CIA
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about what they’re learning in
their respective countries.
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And it was just basically,
everyone’s corrupt.
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There is no, there are no good
governments grethe.
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Thankfully, The Diplomatic
cables change that and now
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there’s several of course Just
fantastic governments operate on
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the world stage.
Look, the Arab Spring was a
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great thing and like, can’t all
last forever.
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What is crazy about these files
and I didn’t put all of this in
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the notes but I don’t know why
that matters to people listening
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but at one point unredacted
versions of all of these cables
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got leaked mmm which is a
obviously huge problem and the
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way it happened.
Assange.
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Had given these files to a
journalist and gave him an
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encryption key that he could
read them with.
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Yeah.
And that journalists use these
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files in part to write a book
and for reasons I will never
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understand.
Apparently he put that
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encryption key in the book.
Assuming it was a thing that
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would have just like expired
after a day or two when Julian
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Assange gave it to him and no it
had not Expired and people were
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able to use that encryption key
to unrwa, Dad act, these cables.
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And at one point Julian Assange
is like what do I do?
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What do I do?
What do I do?
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I got it.
I’m just going to release the
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unredacted.
Files myself.
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It’s like that is a that’s a
weird course of action Bud.
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That, that might have been the
wrong turn to take personally.
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Sure, I got like, that’s a bit
like that’s the sort of thing.
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I’m like, hey I kind of have to
be like okay that’s well.
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His argument was basically that
everyone who might be targeted
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because of these files needs to
know also sure.
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So it can’t just be a thing
where those people are walking
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around unaware that their named
in these files that have been
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unredacted by the fucking
intelligence community.
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So, that makes sense.
His argument was, you know,
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everyone should know about it
and Adjust their lives
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accordingly.
But him uploading those under
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the CIA him.
Uploading those on redacted
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files is what really got him on
the government’s radar?
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I mean they were obviously he
was he was on the radar before
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that of course, of course.
And so that’s all the Chelsea
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Manning stuff that is.
I don’t know if that I don’t
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remember that.
I don’t think the Diplomatic
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cables came from Chelsea, man.
But all of the like Guantanamo
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files, the Afghanistan files,
Iraq files, those combined with
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him, unreleased him releasing
those unredacted, cables.
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That’s what gets the government
after Julian Assange, right?
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And they start investigating
Julian Assange around that time,
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that was 2010, 2011, but it
comes up at one point.
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I always talk about how when
several different Striations all
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kind of agree on one thing, like
Buckle own, something is afoot
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and that’s obviously the case
with Julian Assange, right?
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Where Obama Trump Biden have all
kind of been in lockstep when it
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comes to Julian Assange, even
though Trump, you know, publicly
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was like, Hey, I love Wikileaks.
I hope they find those emails,
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right?
But that’s sure Trump being a
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fucking idiot, right?
But also the Obama
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Administration, they were the
first ones.
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To start investigating Julian
Assange.
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But fair is fair in their case.
They argued, they could not
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indict Julian Assange because
then they would have to indict
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the journalists who publish this
material also, right?
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Yeah.
It was Trump who changed course
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on that and in 2017 started
investigating Julian Assange
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with the intent to prosecute him
under the 1917 Espionage Act,
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which was meant to fight spies.
And World War one but what’s
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interesting is Biden hasn’t
backed away from that either.
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That is interesting and I know
we have our hearts set on the
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idea that because a Democrat is
in office.
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The US government is good now
but course I mean that’s my
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belief.
Are you going to shatter my
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belief right now?
But just flash back to what I
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just said about the Obama
Administration being like what
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we indict, Julian Assange,
right?
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Yeah, we After you indict the
journalists who publish that
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material.
So now if Biden and deitz.
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Julian Assange.
Mmm, are they going to indict
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the journalists?
Who publish that material
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because we are talking about the
same Administration that just
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disappeared in ABC.
News, producer, did it
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disappear?
Mm.
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He just disappeared.
Vanished from public life and
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lost his job and refuses to talk
to anybody about it.
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Yeah.
It’s like that episode.
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So does Black Mirror where you
get blocked but you you’re still
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alive, you just can’t see faces
and they can’t recognize you,
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he’s still alive.
But like is he?
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That might happen of all of the
Black Mirror things that might
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happen.
Yeah.
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I could see that they just put
contacts in your eyes but a
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little.
Yeah or something.
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Yeah, so around this same time
though 2010-2011 that is when
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the Sweden charges come up.
Yeah.
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Where Two separate charges rape
and molestation are lodged
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against Julian Assange.
After a speaking trip to Sweden,
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right?
And that’s what eventually
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compels him to seek refuge in
the Ecuadorian Embassy.
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Not so much the weight leak
stuff at least not at first.
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Yeah, because he was in London,
and it was going back and forth
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in the courts and the courts
finally decided.
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Yes, you can be extradited to
Sweden.
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That’s when he Holds up in the
Ecuadorian Embassy, imagine
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being Ecuador and just having
that fall into your lap, like I
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yeah man why I why are you
doing?
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You can only imagine the store
now that we know the stories of
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what he was doing in Ecuador, we
get only imagine the stories
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that they had heard before.
He got there of like him and
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fucking London or whatever.
Julian Assange has alleged that
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some of the crazier stories.
About his behavior in the
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embassy in Ecuador were
embellished at best because
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Ecuador just wanted him out of
there and we’ll get to why they
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wanted him out of there, right.
I definitely wanted him out of
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there.
Uh-huh.
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That’s not even me hinting that
we’re going to get to Ecuador
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being not justified in wanting
them out of there.
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They sure as shit should have
wanted him out.
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It’s like his Julian Assange got
kicked out of the Midori and
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Embassy for the same reason.
A lot of comedians bomb on
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stage.
He failed to read the room.
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Exactly.
He did the wrong material in
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front of the wrong crowd.
That’s it.
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Solutely.
Absolutely up to that anointed
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or up to that point.
Ecuador was doing everything you
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would want them to do in a case
like this.
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Yeah, like they were following
the fucking law into
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Renaissance.
Fucked it up.
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Yeah.
Well, that’s the thing, that’s
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the thing with this stuff in
Sweden where I’m like, obviously
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when you’ve got governments and
shit coming after you like any
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personal shit is bound to get
dragged up and thrown at you and
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so like it doesn’t matter if you
could be squeaky clean and with
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like one mistake and they’ll
find it and they’ll use it
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against you.
But still Julian, if you’re on
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the run from the gut you should
know that they’re going to look
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for this stuff.
So why are you fucking?
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Yeah.
Insane.
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Because all of the sexual
assault charges are from a
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speaking trip after he’s
already.
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Yeah.
Like you’re saying be like on
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the on the Run.
Basically.
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Yeah.
So that was June 2012.
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When he checked into his room at
the Ecuadorian Embassy he was
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there for a long time.
Like they just like you can see
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pictures and videos of his
living quarters.
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They just converted in office
into?
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Yeah, like a Udo apartment and
if he did go crazy in there, I’m
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not surprised because yeah he
treated that Ecuadorian Embassy
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office.
Like my high school bedroom
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doing fucking kickflips.
Jesus slamming Mountain Dew.
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So, he checks in and June 2012
for more than three years.
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After he entered the embassy,
the Metropolitan Police kept a
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24-hour in person guard around
the building on the off chance.
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He might try to, I don’t know.
Sneak out for a scone or ocean
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chips or something, okay?
You’re thinking it’s to keep him
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in not to keep other people out.
No, because he went to the
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Embassy.
And when he did that he was out
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on bail.
I think for the rape charges.
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Sure.
But either way, whatever he was
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out on bail for he violated his
bail by seeking Asylum at the
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embassy that was the
Metropolitan police’s argument.
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So they thought just because he
checked into the Ecuadorian
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Embassy they should be able to
arrest him because of that and
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they eventually gave up on that
and just installed security
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cameras which This is London
where they’re not 2500 security
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cameras, pointed at this place
already, right?
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I’ve seen the TV shows, I know,
I know what’s up.
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What do you mean you installed
security cameras?
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I think you mean you turned one
of the dozens that were in the
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area towards that door and there
were some points where it seemed
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like things were, maybe going to
go his way.
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Like when Obama pardoned.
Chelsea Manning sure.
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I think a lot of we thought well
it’s Julian Assange next and
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it’s like hey what if announce
Julian Assange first right?
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He is definitely not next and
Obama.
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Did that on the way out in
January 2017?
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And April 2017.
Jeff sessions was like no we’re
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still definitely trying to
arrest that guy, don’t you
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worry?
And by December of 2017, there
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were rumors that unnamed us
figures.
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We’re planning to either kidnap
or poison Julian Assange.
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Is carried on much longer.
And at first, he did have a lot
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of support from Ecuador and that
probably had a lot to do with
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the UK, when he sought asylum in
that Embassy, the UK government
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reached out to the government of
Ecuador and was like, Hey, you
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know, we have the right to come
in there and arrest him, huh?
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And they were like, do you that
sounds like a threat?
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Yeah.
You sure you want to.
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To try that.
And so, for a long time,
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Ecuador’s like, man, Julian
Assange can stay, as long as he
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wants?
Yeah, absolutely.
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They gave him citizenship, mmm.
And I think that was the next
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concern in the UK was that?
Well, next they’re going to try
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and smuggle him out and get him.
Yeah, to Ecuador.
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So he can just live there.
Instead of fucking making people
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clean up after his cat shit in
the embassy in London.
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It seems What got him in trouble
in?
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This is where him not reading.
The room comes up is when he
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started getting involved in the
Catalan.
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Separatist movement?
Yeah.
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In Spain.
It’s Twitter piano key to
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fucking stay off at Twitter.
Yeah, he had been tweeting about
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it and Spain was like, Ecuador.
Get your boy, you.
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Yeah, you need to, he’s taking
shelter.
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Sir in your Embassy, you got to
tell him to tone this down or
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there’s going to be problems.
And he did not tone it down.
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Ecuador was just like, come on
bro.
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You gotta understand.
Spain’s not cool.
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Like, we are again, like,
Julian, put your goddamn phone
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away, like why aren’t your on
the front?
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You are hunted by multiple
superpowers feel like Why are
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you fucking?
Why are you Tweeting Brother?
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Come on.
Yeah.
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It just I understand you still
kind of have a job to do, but
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kinda there were also stories
that there were some countries
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that were able to, like kind of
talk him out of reporting on
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stuff and it’s like, oh, what
was that about?
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But the Ecuadorian government
can’t get the same leeway.
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It wasn’t just that he got
involved in that.
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That separatist movement, which
made Spain, obviously very
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angry.
Hmm.
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But even after all that at first
Ecuador goes in and cuts his
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internet access, after he
tweeted about that, separatist
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movement.
But eventually he was able to
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like smooth things out enough to
where he got internet access
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again and was able to
communicate with the outside
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world and it seemed like
actually agreed to do this.
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Dishes for a week.
Yeah, exactly.
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He bought the groceries and then
Wikileaks reports on some
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Scandal involving the president
of Ecuador.
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While Julian Assange is still
living in the embassy and at
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that point Ecuador’s like, dude,
fuck you.
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Yeah, yeah.
I would say if you’re going to
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compromise your journalistic or
whatever ethics in, in any case,
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it might Might be to not anger,
the one country on Earth that
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will put up with your crusty
ass.
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Yeah, they were going so hard in
the paint for him.
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Yeah.
And he’s like her.
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I’m a journalist and it’s like,
no, you’re really not.
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That’s kind of why the u.s. is
trying to extradite you.
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Yeah, I me.
But all’s I beat ya like but
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regardless you know you’re also
a person and you’re staying in
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these in this country’s goddamn
place.
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You got it.
What do you expect, man?
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He Also sued the Ecuadorian
government while living inside
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the embassy, which was probably
not a step in the right
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direction.
This is one of those things it
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always blows my mind when people
file lawsuits like this.
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Knowing it means every detail of
this story is going to come out.
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Like there was did you read
about this Q&A on fuck who just
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bought a fucking mansion with
the money?
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He makes spouting q and on shit
on YouTube.
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And cue.
And on, of course, Very opposed
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to pedophilia and child sex
trafficking mmm-hmm was accused
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of having a relationship with a
15 year old girl when he was 25.
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And instead of instead, of just
being like my bad, that’s
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actually why I hate child sex
trafficking, he doubled down and
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was like, she’s a fucking liar
and I’m gonna sue her and they
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were like, oh, okay, interesting
to us.
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And when, when he sued All of
these police records and
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documents from that underage
relationship became public.
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And he had to be like, yeah, I
did actually do that.
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Here’s his tactical error, okay?
To Tactical errors in this guy’s
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defense of himself one.
Like you said could, it could
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have used it as an origin story.
This is why I’m after sex
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trafficking exactly which would
all another one, which would
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also work for the right-wing
libertarian chud Market that
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he’s trying to win over. / he
could pull the afib Ophelia fig
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say like she you know age of
consent blah blah blah blah
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blah.
Yeah.
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Like you know that’s an easy PR
play for that crowd there.
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Bunch of fucking creepy.
Dinguses.
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Yep.
But instead he filed a lawsuit
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and Julian Assange filed, a
lawsuit against the Ecuadorian
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government.
And that move is where all the
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stories about Julian.
Assange is behavior in the
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embassy.
Come from Judge, I think it’s an
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actual quote, from his ruling.
Was that your rights have not
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been violated?
Because the Ecuadorian Embassy
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doesn’t want to clean up after
your cat, because that was one
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of his arguments.
They were like fucking wheel at
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least, clean up after your pets.
And he was like, no, Julian
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Assange.
Yes, I do.
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00:27:08,500 –> 00:27:11,400
Love the smell of cat piss.
I don’t clean up cat.
440
00:27:11,400 –> 00:27:13,600
Shit.
I report on corruption within
441
00:27:13,600 –> 00:27:16,700
your government.
So it wasn’t going.
442
00:27:16,800 –> 00:27:20,600
Well, they’re no, it was turning
into an episode of Fear Thy
443
00:27:20,600 –> 00:27:23,600
roommate, which is an
investigation discovery show,
444
00:27:23,600 –> 00:27:27,400
about roommates, who eventually
one of them murders, the other
445
00:27:28,000 –> 00:27:28,800
fighter.
I love it.
446
00:27:29,000 –> 00:27:30,900
I love it so much.
It’s so good.
447
00:27:32,500 –> 00:27:38,000
So this was late, 2018, and it’s
also weirdly the point where he
448
00:27:38,000 –> 00:27:40,200
starts getting a lot of
celebrity support.
449
00:27:40,300 –> 00:27:43,000
Mmm.
And most notably, I don’t know
450
00:27:43,000 –> 00:27:47,500
if most notably, but probably
the weirdest Pamela Start
451
00:27:47,500 –> 00:27:50,000
showing up at the Ecuadorian
Embassy.
452
00:27:50,000 –> 00:27:53,600
Sure.
And cool publicly professing her
453
00:27:53,600 –> 00:27:57,000
support for Julian Assange.
Mmm.
454
00:27:57,000 –> 00:28:00,300
And at one point, she reached
out to the Australian, prime
455
00:28:00,300 –> 00:28:05,600
minister Scott Morrison at the
time to urge him to protect
456
00:28:05,700 –> 00:28:08,400
Assange.
And she says, she just got a
457
00:28:08,400 –> 00:28:13,200
quote smutty reply back.
Yeah, which stands to reason
458
00:28:13,200 –> 00:28:15,800
from what I remember, Scott
Morrison was a piece of shit and
459
00:28:15,808 –> 00:28:19,200
also I’m Sorry, I’m sorry, but
you can’t be a world leader and
460
00:28:19,200 –> 00:28:22,100
be named Scott like your last
name.
461
00:28:22,100 –> 00:28:24,000
Can be Scott.
But your first name.
462
00:28:24,000 –> 00:28:26,700
Can’t be Scott.
Come on.
463
00:28:27,300 –> 00:28:29,600
You know what?
Yeah, I agree with you.
464
00:28:29,700 –> 00:28:32,400
It’s just not it’s not it’s not
a politician named.
465
00:28:32,400 –> 00:28:34,400
It’s like a it’s a sporting
name.
466
00:28:34,600 –> 00:28:37,200
Go play sport was if it was
scattered.
467
00:28:37,200 –> 00:28:41,500
What Scotty its campaign song
Scotty does?
468
00:28:41,500 –> 00:28:46,000
No.
I mean look I think yes we
469
00:28:46,000 –> 00:28:50,200
should.
Have Montgomery Scott of the USS
470
00:28:50,200 –> 00:28:54,500
Enterprise as a president.
Anyway that’s sure that’s that’s
471
00:28:54,500 –> 00:28:56,500
fine.
Scott Morrison, sucks ass.
472
00:28:56,600 –> 00:28:59,200
Yeah asshole.
He was a piece of shit and
473
00:28:59,200 –> 00:29:02,600
Pamela Anderson issued a
statement about reaching out to
474
00:29:02,600 –> 00:29:05,900
Scott Morrison and his reply
here goes rather than making
475
00:29:05,900 –> 00:29:09,100
lewd suggestions about me.
Perhaps you should instead,
476
00:29:09,100 –> 00:29:11,400
think about what you are going
to say to millions of
477
00:29:11,400 –> 00:29:14,900
Australians, when one of their
own is marched in an orange
478
00:29:14,900 –> 00:29:19,600
jumpsuit to Guantanamo.
Obey for publishing the truth.
479
00:29:19,700 –> 00:29:26,300
You can prevent this more like
damla Anderson fucking get them.
480
00:29:26,500 –> 00:29:29,800
Yeah, that’s a good statement.
I mean, she has a point.
481
00:29:29,800 –> 00:29:30,400
Yeah.
Yeah.
482
00:29:30,400 –> 00:29:33,100
It’s it’s a solid quote, and
good for her.
483
00:29:33,100 –> 00:29:36,300
Like, I know there were other
celebrities kind of speaking up
484
00:29:36,300 –> 00:29:38,800
for Julian Assange, but she was
going for it.
485
00:29:38,900 –> 00:29:41,800
Absolutely.
But also none of that helped on
486
00:29:42,200 –> 00:29:46,400
April 2nd 2019, Ecuadorian
president Lenin Moreno.
487
00:29:46,800 –> 00:29:50,700
That Assange had violated the
terms of his asylum on April
488
00:29:50,700 –> 00:29:53,400
4th.
They invited Metropolitan Police
489
00:29:53,400 –> 00:29:57,700
inside the embassy to arrest,
Julian Assange, and of course,
490
00:29:57,700 –> 00:30:01,400
to have a spot of tea because
you can’t invite someone in in
491
00:30:01,400 –> 00:30:04,400
England and not have fun flirty
again.
492
00:30:04,500 –> 00:30:07,700
Yes, Evan pot of tea.
I’ve seen the TV shows.
493
00:30:07,900 –> 00:30:11,000
So, right.
So Julian Assange has basically
494
00:30:11,000 –> 00:30:13,900
been fighting extradition ever
since.
495
00:30:14,000 –> 00:30:17,500
Yeah.
And that fight is still Ongoing.
496
00:30:17,700 –> 00:30:20,500
There have been some interesting
developments for one thing.
497
00:30:20,500 –> 00:30:23,000
Olivia, are you sitting down?
Should I be?
498
00:30:23,000 –> 00:30:23,500
I guess.
Yeah.
499
00:30:23,500 –> 00:30:25,500
Can I just?
I don’t know.
500
00:30:25,500 –> 00:30:27,700
Yeah, because we’re both very up
and active.
501
00:30:27,700 –> 00:30:31,200
When we record this, pacing
around room full of nervous
502
00:30:31,200 –> 00:30:33,900
energy, you know, just to get
the truth out there to the
503
00:30:33,900 –> 00:30:35,600
people.
Absolutely.
504
00:30:35,700 –> 00:30:39,900
So here’s go, here goes, I’m
just going to say it in August
505
00:30:39,900 –> 00:30:45,800
20, 22, a group of journalists
and lawyers sued, the CIA and
506
00:30:45,800 –> 00:30:48,400
Mike Pompeo.
Alleging that they were put
507
00:30:48,500 –> 00:30:53,600
under surveillance by the CIA
after visiting, Julian Assange.
508
00:30:53,600 –> 00:30:56,300
In the Ecuadorian Embassy,
there’s no way.
509
00:30:56,300 –> 00:30:58,100
That’s true, right?
Sorry?
510
00:30:58,100 –> 00:31:03,100
My jaw just hit the ground.
I can’t, that doesn’t sound like
511
00:31:03,100 –> 00:31:07,600
my CIA.
No, that is not my CIA, not my
512
00:31:07,600 –> 00:31:10,600
America.
I think I would sue the CIA.
513
00:31:10,600 –> 00:31:12,700
If they didn’t start surveilling
me.
514
00:31:12,700 –> 00:31:17,000
After I visited, Julian Assange
in the Ecuadorian Embassy, See
515
00:31:17,300 –> 00:31:22,200
ya Harrison to I have feelings?
I deserve to be summation of
516
00:31:22,200 –> 00:31:25,500
character.
Oh you think I’m not a threat.
517
00:31:25,600 –> 00:31:28,100
Wait till this podcast goes up.
Yeah.
518
00:31:28,100 –> 00:31:31,900
Yeah.
The lawsuit was filed in a New
519
00:31:31,900 –> 00:31:35,800
York District Court claims the
CIA had conversations recorded
520
00:31:35,800 –> 00:31:38,400
and data from phones and
computers copied.
521
00:31:38,400 –> 00:31:42,000
No word on whether Pamela
Anderson is part of the lawsuit
522
00:31:42,100 –> 00:31:47,200
but it does include journalist
Charles Glass and John gets Is a
523
00:31:47,200 –> 00:31:50,400
quote from Richard Roth.
The lawyer representing the
524
00:31:50,408 –> 00:31:54,000
group, the United States.
Constitution Shields American
525
00:31:54,000 –> 00:31:57,300
citizens from US Government.
Overreach even when the
526
00:31:57,300 –> 00:32:01,000
activities take place in a
foreign Embassy in a foreign
527
00:32:01,200 –> 00:32:02,300
country.
Yep.
528
00:32:02,400 –> 00:32:06,800
And that’s important because as
John Ramirez reminded us on the
529
00:32:06,800 –> 00:32:10,000
episode about UFOs and the
intelligence Community, the CIA
530
00:32:10,000 –> 00:32:13,400
does not absolutely spy on
Americans.
531
00:32:13,500 –> 00:32:16,100
No.
Not ever never once.
532
00:32:16,700 –> 00:32:18,800
Except for these times, don’t
even suggest it.
533
00:32:18,800 –> 00:32:20,100
Yeah.
Except for all these times, that
534
00:32:20,100 –> 00:32:23,200
Americans showed up to talk to
Julian Assange, right?
535
00:32:23,200 –> 00:32:26,300
But that’s not like indicative
of a larger Trend.
536
00:32:26,300 –> 00:32:30,300
No no this is an isolated is
this an oopsie you know right
537
00:32:30,300 –> 00:32:34,700
yeah well it’s a whoops sorry we
left the microphones on or
538
00:32:34,700 –> 00:32:39,000
something it’s also important
because as Julian assange’s
539
00:32:39,000 –> 00:32:43,300
lawyers have rightly argued how
do you get a fair trial when the
540
00:32:43,300 –> 00:32:46,600
people accusing you were also
recording?
541
00:32:46,800 –> 00:32:49,000
Every conversation you had with
your lawyers.
542
00:32:49,100 –> 00:32:52,500
Yeah.
Like it’s literally no longer
543
00:32:52,500 –> 00:32:55,400
possible for him to have a fair
trial.
544
00:32:55,500 –> 00:32:57,000
Yep.
That’s true.
545
00:32:57,100 –> 00:32:58,900
The United States should give
this up.
546
00:32:59,300 –> 00:33:03,500
This is a this is a Fool’s
errand and it really is going to
547
00:33:03,500 –> 00:33:06,300
set such a bad precedent.
Yeah.
548
00:33:06,400 –> 00:33:09,800
Because I think that Obama
administration policy still
549
00:33:09,800 –> 00:33:12,800
stands.
If you indict, Julian Assange?
550
00:33:12,900 –> 00:33:16,400
Who’s next, like, what news
outlets broke this?
551
00:33:16,700 –> 00:33:18,100
Story.
Right?
552
00:33:18,200 –> 00:33:21,800
It’s a snowball and it’s the
kind of thing again.
553
00:33:21,800 –> 00:33:25,300
It’s one of those things where I
know if you’re a hardcore
554
00:33:25,300 –> 00:33:29,400
Democrat and you don’t want to
criticize Joe Biden.
555
00:33:29,500 –> 00:33:33,300
You’re going to be content to
just kind of let this happen
556
00:33:33,500 –> 00:33:36,600
without saying much about it
because Julian Assange is a
557
00:33:36,600 –> 00:33:40,700
shitty person but also it sets a
precedent that whoever wins in
558
00:33:40,700 –> 00:33:43,200
2024 can build.
Yeah.
559
00:33:43,400 –> 00:33:46,200
Yes.
And if that’s Trump or DeSantis
560
00:33:46,200 –> 00:33:50,000
one of these People who is very
vocal about wanting to punish
561
00:33:50,000 –> 00:33:52,000
journalists.
This is the shit they’re going
562
00:33:52,000 –> 00:33:56,200
to point to when they say they
have the grounds to do it and a
563
00:33:56,200 –> 00:33:58,600
fucking Supreme Court.
We got in place right now isn’t
564
00:33:58,600 –> 00:34:00,500
going to say a goddamn thing
about it.
565
00:34:00,600 –> 00:34:03,500
No.
And there would not be a very
566
00:34:03,900 –> 00:34:06,200
like they’re just, there
wouldn’t really be an argument
567
00:34:06,200 –> 00:34:09,699
against that.
Yeah, other than a basic, you
568
00:34:09,699 –> 00:34:14,100
know, moral ethical one.
Like, but that doesn’t work on
569
00:34:14,300 –> 00:34:16,500
fascist but like, no, from a
lie.
570
00:34:16,699 –> 00:34:21,699
Legal like this, it would set a
precedent like this is it we
571
00:34:21,699 –> 00:34:26,400
can’t do that.
And by not saying more about it,
572
00:34:26,600 –> 00:34:30,600
people are you know you’re kind
of complicit in it because you,
573
00:34:30,800 –> 00:34:33,699
you know, you get what you ask
for a lot of times, it reminds
574
00:34:33,699 –> 00:34:39,500
me of the hot coffee lawsuit
from the 1980s where that woman
575
00:34:39,500 –> 00:34:43,199
got third-degree Burns and had
to have skin grafts, because
576
00:34:43,199 –> 00:34:46,199
McDonald’s one of their coffee
hot enough for truck drivers.
577
00:34:46,800 –> 00:34:53,699
And she was just made a mockery
of on late night, talk shows for
578
00:34:54,100 –> 00:34:57,900
months and months.
Probably years on end years.
579
00:34:58,300 –> 00:35:03,800
I remember people in my life
making jokes about that case,
580
00:35:03,900 –> 00:35:08,500
and I definitely didn’t hear it
like, at the time.
581
00:35:08,600 –> 00:35:12,200
So, yeah, Dubin years later,
there’s a documentary called hot
582
00:35:12,200 –> 00:35:14,500
coffee.
And what’s really great about
583
00:35:14,500 –> 00:35:16,500
it?
Is it covers that story?
584
00:35:16,600 –> 00:35:21,000
Oh, and what happened around?
That story was all this demand
585
00:35:21,000 –> 00:35:23,900
for tort reform.
So people couldn’t file
586
00:35:23,900 –> 00:35:27,900
frivolous lawsuits and put these
poor innocent businesses out of
587
00:35:27,900 –> 00:35:32,300
operation forever, right?
And so it covers three other
588
00:35:32,300 –> 00:35:35,300
stories that are all the result
of that.
589
00:35:35,400 –> 00:35:40,200
And one of them, these parents,
their child was injured during
590
00:35:40,200 –> 00:35:44,300
childbirth by like, some just
obvious negligence by this
591
00:35:44,300 –> 00:35:47,000
doctor and because of all the
tort Laws.
592
00:35:47,000 –> 00:35:51,600
We passed the financial award
they could be given was capped
593
00:35:51,600 –> 00:35:54,600
at like five million dollars and
they were like, that’s cool.
594
00:35:54,600 –> 00:35:56,100
We’re gonna have to take care of
this kid.
595
00:35:56,200 –> 00:35:59,000
His entire life.
That 5 million will probably get
596
00:35:59,000 –> 00:36:03,000
us until he’s like five, but hot
coffee.
597
00:36:03,400 –> 00:36:05,900
It’s like this is kind of the
same thing.
598
00:36:05,900 –> 00:36:10,400
Like we’re going to be really
pissed when Trump is literally
599
00:36:10,400 –> 00:36:15,100
locking up, journalists in 2025,
hmm, But it’s going to have a
600
00:36:15,100 –> 00:36:18,600
lot to do with us, not being
That angry that Julian Assange.
601
00:36:18,600 –> 00:36:22,400
Got locked up in 2023.
Probably.
602
00:36:22,400 –> 00:36:23,900
I doubt they’ll get him this
month.
603
00:36:24,100 –> 00:36:25,600
Yeah.
Yeah right.
604
00:36:25,600 –> 00:36:28,000
No the let him have Chris.
Yeah.
605
00:36:28,800 –> 00:36:32,600
We are nothing.
If not just write this is a
606
00:36:32,600 –> 00:36:36,600
God-fearing Nation.
We will not deny Julian Assange
607
00:36:36,900 –> 00:36:40,200
of his Christmas.
There’s no, absolutely, no way
608
00:36:40,200 –> 00:36:41,600
he’s not an atheist.
Right.
609
00:36:41,700 –> 00:36:43,900
There’s no way Julian Assange.
Yeah.
610
00:36:44,200 –> 00:36:46,500
Yeah.
He’s he he must be these guys.
611
00:36:46,700 –> 00:36:53,100
I don’t know, so I don’t but
like just, yeah, he just reminds
612
00:36:53,100 –> 00:36:56,900
me so much of that era of
Internet atheism.
613
00:36:57,500 –> 00:37:01,300
So apparently the CIA thing, the
way it worked, when people would
614
00:37:01,300 –> 00:37:05,400
show up to visit with Julian
Assange, there is this security
615
00:37:05,400 –> 00:37:09,400
contractor who was at the door,
and made people turn over their
616
00:37:09,400 –> 00:37:13,100
electronic devices.
Like it was yeah, Dave Chappelle
617
00:37:13,100 –> 00:37:18,700
and John Mayer touring together
and Which fucking both of you
618
00:37:18,700 –> 00:37:22,300
get over yourselves.
Yeah, that just sounds like an
619
00:37:22,300 –> 00:37:25,700
extraordinary really unappealing
show.
620
00:37:25,700 –> 00:37:28,500
No it happened though.
John Mayer and Dave.
621
00:37:28,500 –> 00:37:31,300
Chappelle did tour together at
one point and did this like
622
00:37:31,300 –> 00:37:34,700
yeah, joint fucking thing.
And we’re like, no, I don’t.
623
00:37:35,200 –> 00:37:40,400
I don’t doubt that, but it
sounds extremely unpleasant.
624
00:37:40,500 –> 00:37:43,100
Yeah, I would, I would hate
every minute of it.
625
00:37:43,300 –> 00:37:46,400
Except John Mayer can shred a
guitar.
626
00:37:46,700 –> 00:37:48,800
Bit better guitar player Than
People expect.
627
00:37:48,800 –> 00:37:52,700
No, no, he oh I know I know that
I know all of the guitar nerd
628
00:37:52,700 –> 00:37:54,800
shit about him being a good
guitar player.
629
00:37:54,800 –> 00:37:57,400
I don’t like his music, so it
doesn’t matter.
630
00:37:59,100 –> 00:38:00,600
He plays bad music.
Well.
631
00:38:00,600 –> 00:38:05,100
So when they would hand their
devices over this company, which
632
00:38:05,100 –> 00:38:10,100
was called undercover Global SI,
which come on just say CIA
633
00:38:10,100 –> 00:38:13,400
Affiliated security.
Yeah, I need to just call
634
00:38:13,400 –> 00:38:18,500
yourself these things.
The more generic the more
635
00:38:18,500 –> 00:38:21,400
Sinister the name.
Yeah and these people are like
636
00:38:21,400 –> 00:38:24,700
oh sure I trust you here.
Take my device and of course
637
00:38:24,700 –> 00:38:28,600
they just want a copy, the
contents of these devices and
638
00:38:28,600 –> 00:38:32,100
sent all of that to the CIA,
according to the lawsuit
639
00:38:32,500 –> 00:38:36,700
uneducated.
They’re not working for the CIA.
640
00:38:36,700 –> 00:38:39,700
They probably love the CIA.
Oh, hell yeah.
641
00:38:39,700 –> 00:38:44,400
Into fucking security and shit.
If you don’t like fetishize law
642
00:38:44,400 –> 00:38:46,500
enforcement.
Yeah, they work there because
643
00:38:46,600 –> 00:38:50,100
They failed the test that gets
you into the CIA, right?
644
00:38:50,100 –> 00:38:55,000
Grab the psych test.
So, the claims in that lawsuit,
645
00:38:55,000 –> 00:38:59,500
kind of mirror, the media’s
reaction to the Assange case, in
646
00:38:59,500 –> 00:39:04,900
general, in December 20, 21 the
nation published an op-ed by
647
00:39:04,900 –> 00:39:07,900
John Nichols titled.
The prosecution of Julian
648
00:39:07,900 –> 00:39:11,200
Assange, absolutely threatens.
Freedom of the press, and it
649
00:39:11,200 –> 00:39:15,500
absolutely does.
And what I found out in
650
00:39:15,500 –> 00:39:20,500
researching, this is, it turns
out the sticking point here is
651
00:39:20,500 –> 00:39:24,300
the US government’s argument is
that that Julian Assange is not
652
00:39:24,300 –> 00:39:29,000
a journalist, right?
Because if he was then what he
653
00:39:29,000 –> 00:39:32,900
did is it’s like Watergate shit.
It’s just reporting, its
654
00:39:32,900 –> 00:39:36,400
reporting on government
corruption and you cannot under
655
00:39:36,400 –> 00:39:40,300
the current Constitution, you
can’t be prosecuted for that.
656
00:39:40,300 –> 00:39:43,600
That’s not a crime, right?
But the government’s argument
657
00:39:43,600 –> 00:39:47,100
is, well, he’s not a journalist,
he’s just a guy, just some guy.
658
00:39:47,600 –> 00:39:49,200
And the thing is the Bill of
Rights.
659
00:39:49,200 –> 00:39:52,900
Doesn’t say that the Bill of
Rights isn’t but we’re Only
660
00:39:52,900 –> 00:39:56,900
talking about journalists like
it doesn’t reference journalists
661
00:39:56,900 –> 00:40:02,200
if yeah it’s freedom of the
people who have a Bachelor of
662
00:40:02,200 –> 00:40:07,200
Arts in journalism from an
accredited college from an
663
00:40:07,200 –> 00:40:12,500
accredited college, none of the
song line bullshit with a 3.0,
664
00:40:14,500 –> 00:40:18,200
send us an essay, tell us about
where troops have been involved
665
00:40:18,200 –> 00:40:22,600
in will decide on the Bill of
Rights but that is kind.
666
00:40:22,700 –> 00:40:26,100
Kind of the government’s
argument is well we get to
667
00:40:26,107 –> 00:40:29,500
decide who’s a journalist like
yeah.
668
00:40:29,500 –> 00:40:33,200
And it’s like no you don’t
that’s not what the point of the
669
00:40:33,200 –> 00:40:36,500
Bill of Rights was.
It wasn’t to protect the
670
00:40:36,600 –> 00:40:41,700
profession of journalists it
rights to protect the free flow
671
00:40:41,700 –> 00:40:46,400
of information, as John Nichols
puts it in his op-ed, so it’s an
672
00:40:46,400 –> 00:40:50,900
absurd argument.
But it’s one that if Julian
673
00:40:50,900 –> 00:40:53,900
Assange is extradited, Where’s
it going to go?
674
00:40:54,000 –> 00:40:57,600
It’s going to go to the Supreme
Court and what is this Supreme
675
00:40:57,600 –> 00:41:00,300
Court going to do?
When this case is in front of
676
00:41:00,300 –> 00:41:01,500
them?
I would argue.
677
00:41:01,500 –> 00:41:04,800
It doesn’t matter if Biden is in
office, it doesn’t matter who’s
678
00:41:04,800 –> 00:41:08,600
in office, like they’re going to
say, well side with the
679
00:41:08,800 –> 00:41:11,700
authoritarian view of things,
great.
680
00:41:11,700 –> 00:41:15,000
The court transcripts will just
be 60, straight minutes of
681
00:41:15,000 –> 00:41:19,000
laughter.
Yeah, it’s fucking Doodles and
682
00:41:19,000 –> 00:41:21,400
shit.
Yeah, Garfield drawings.
683
00:41:22,700 –> 00:41:27,900
I love this country.
Yeah, it’s this is oh, really?
684
00:41:30,600 –> 00:41:34,700
Yeah, the only u.s. politician
who has really said.
685
00:41:34,700 –> 00:41:39,800
Anything of note about this is
US Representative row Khanna.
686
00:41:39,900 –> 00:41:43,400
A Democrat from California, who
said I oppose the criminal
687
00:41:43,400 –> 00:41:46,600
prosecution of Assange.
The prosecution of Assange will
688
00:41:46,600 –> 00:41:50,500
have a chilling impact on any
journalist who publishes
689
00:41:50,500 –> 00:41:55,000
information and is a Relation of
the First Amendment Assange.
690
00:41:55,000 –> 00:41:58,900
Did many morally, suspect things
by failing to redact the
691
00:41:58,908 –> 00:42:01,600
personal information of
civilians and putting them In
692
00:42:01,600 –> 00:42:04,100
Harm’s Way.
And also coordinating the timing
693
00:42:04,100 –> 00:42:07,900
of his releases to wreak havoc
in the 2016 election.
694
00:42:07,900 –> 00:42:13,000
But one can condemn assange’s
actions while not setting a
695
00:42:13,000 –> 00:42:17,500
precedent of criminalizing, the
publication of material that
696
00:42:17,500 –> 00:42:20,800
challenges state power and quote
and their.
697
00:42:20,800 –> 00:42:25,100
It fucking is well.
Said, like, it doesn’t really
698
00:42:25,100 –> 00:42:30,400
matter who this is happening to.
This is actually a very serious
699
00:42:30,400 –> 00:42:34,800
moment in American history.
At least, if it goes that way,
700
00:42:34,800 –> 00:42:38,000
it will be looked back on as
very serious.
701
00:42:38,100 –> 00:42:41,800
Absolutely 100%.
And again, you know, separate
702
00:42:41,800 –> 00:42:44,900
the artist from the art, right?
Yeah, this is just like, tar.
703
00:42:45,100 –> 00:42:48,900
That’s basically the same moral,
it’s exactly, like tar, I feel
704
00:42:48,900 –> 00:42:51,800
like this episode is going to be
in contention for all the same
705
00:42:51,800 –> 00:42:55,400
Awards.
Absolutely will be I see I’m up
706
00:42:55,400 –> 00:42:59,600
for best actress.
Yeah no I mean you know in
707
00:42:59,600 –> 00:43:03,000
Julian Assange is eventually
gonna like end up composing
708
00:43:03,100 –> 00:43:10,300
music for Monster Hunter worlds.
So not only is that one op-ed
709
00:43:10,300 –> 00:43:13,900
writer at the nation up in arms
about this the most recent
710
00:43:14,000 –> 00:43:18,000
development happened.
Just this past week, the list of
711
00:43:18,000 –> 00:43:23,100
names, opposing the extradition
of Julian Assange just became A
712
00:43:23,100 –> 00:43:27,000
whole lot more prominent the
editors and Publishers of five
713
00:43:27,000 –> 00:43:30,600
different media.
Outlets, the New York Times the
714
00:43:30,600 –> 00:43:37,200
guardian Lomond Der Spiegel and
El Pais published an open letter
715
00:43:37,200 –> 00:43:40,000
calling for the United States
government to end its
716
00:43:40,000 –> 00:43:43,400
extradition and prosecution of
Julian Assange.
717
00:43:43,500 –> 00:43:47,600
That’s actually what got this
story back on my radar, I was
718
00:43:47,700 –> 00:43:51,000
scrolling through headlines and
saw that and was like hmm.
719
00:43:51,100 –> 00:43:52,500
That’s big.
Yeah.
720
00:43:52,700 –> 00:43:55,300
Interesting.
It’s especially interesting
721
00:43:55,300 –> 00:44:00,000
because this is at the same
time, a story that you would
722
00:44:00,000 –> 00:44:03,600
think mainstream media Outlets.
Like the New York Times would be
723
00:44:03,600 –> 00:44:08,100
a little angrier about or be a
little more vocal about, but
724
00:44:08,100 –> 00:44:10,800
you’re not hearing a whole lot
about it.
725
00:44:11,100 –> 00:44:15,700
It’s mostly overseas press.
And you’ll notice that every
726
00:44:15,700 –> 00:44:19,100
other outlet, that sign that
letter is from a different
727
00:44:19,100 –> 00:44:22,400
country, not the New York Times.
But well, I mean good.
728
00:44:22,600 –> 00:44:24,700
On the New York Times for doing
this still.
729
00:44:25,200 –> 00:44:28,400
But like, collectively they are
all from different countries,
730
00:44:28,700 –> 00:44:30,600
right?
Then, you know, like because the
731
00:44:30,600 –> 00:44:32,300
New York Times and it’s from
America.
732
00:44:32,500 –> 00:44:35,900
Anyway, I was just, including
the New York Times within what
733
00:44:35,900 –> 00:44:39,900
you were saying, right?
Yeah, but also it’s the United
734
00:44:39,900 –> 00:44:42,500
States doing this.
So you’re a welcher you would
735
00:44:42,500 –> 00:44:46,200
prefer if I don’t know, maybe
the Washington Post.
736
00:44:46,200 –> 00:44:48,000
Yes.
IND On The Wall Street Journal.
737
00:44:48,000 –> 00:44:52,500
Maybe, you know, like that would
also be a pretty great.
738
00:44:52,600 –> 00:44:57,800
Yeah, I mean, I know way the
Wall Street Journal is no thing
739
00:44:57,800 –> 00:45:01,500
like that now and watching the
post, maybe we’ll see.
740
00:45:01,500 –> 00:45:05,200
And yeah, it was again, I
brought up earlier the Obama
741
00:45:05,200 –> 00:45:09,600
Administration, didn’t decide
decided not to indict Julian
742
00:45:09,600 –> 00:45:13,200
Assange on the grounds, that
they would also have to indict
743
00:45:13,200 –> 00:45:15,100
the Publishers of that material.
Yeah.
744
00:45:15,300 –> 00:45:18,500
And so it’s easy to go.
Oh yeah, Trump, he’s the
745
00:45:18,500 –> 00:45:20,500
authoritarian, he’s bringing it
back now.
746
00:45:20,500 –> 00:45:22,400
He wants to indict.
Julian Assange.
747
00:45:22,600 –> 00:45:27,400
But so does Obama’s VP like Yeah
Joe Biden is not scaling any of
748
00:45:27,400 –> 00:45:31,500
that Trump shit back and when
you couple that with that Obama
749
00:45:31,500 –> 00:45:34,900
administration quote it’s kind
of easy math.
750
00:45:34,900 –> 00:45:39,800
That Joe Biden does kind of
intend this to be a means of
751
00:45:39,800 –> 00:45:43,400
Prosecuting journalists for
reporting on your errors because
752
00:45:43,400 –> 00:45:46,200
it’s not like he doesn’t have
anything that.
753
00:45:46,200 –> 00:45:49,500
Yeah, people can report on,
like, right.
754
00:45:49,600 –> 00:45:52,400
The withdrawal from Afghanistan
was pretty fucking.
755
00:45:52,600 –> 00:45:54,000
Lee granted.
It’s a thing.
756
00:45:54,000 –> 00:45:58,000
We were begging Obama to just do
like me and I needed to happy
757
00:45:58,000 –> 00:45:59,700
entire time.
Yeah, they needed to happen.
758
00:45:59,700 –> 00:46:03,300
Well, really fucked it up.
Yeah, can believe it.
759
00:46:03,300 –> 00:46:07,100
So wait, you’re saying the
American armed forces?
760
00:46:07,200 –> 00:46:09,300
Fucked something up in the
Middle East.
761
00:46:09,300 –> 00:46:10,500
I know.
Yes.
762
00:46:10,500 –> 00:46:14,700
It’s called the Middle East.
That’s what we fucked up in the
763
00:46:14,700 –> 00:46:16,400
Middle East.
Yeah.
764
00:46:16,500 –> 00:46:20,700
So this isn’t really a bright
side, but there has been a
765
00:46:20,700 –> 00:46:22,500
change of course, within the
Australian.
766
00:46:22,600 –> 00:46:26,200
Alien government also because
Julian assange’s Australian,
767
00:46:26,200 –> 00:46:29,400
he’s an Australian citizen right
while Scott Morrison was
768
00:46:29,400 –> 00:46:34,000
convinced that this was a matter
for the u.s. to worry about and
769
00:46:34,400 –> 00:46:37,100
no one else.
Current prime minister Anthony
770
00:46:37,100 –> 00:46:40,400
Albanese sees it differently.
A few days after that open
771
00:46:40,400 –> 00:46:42,900
letter was released.
He said he’d raised the issue of
772
00:46:42,900 –> 00:46:46,600
Assange with US representatives
recently and would continue to
773
00:46:46,600 –> 00:46:49,900
do so until the US government
drops the matter, he also
774
00:46:49,900 –> 00:46:53,800
acknowledged that the Assange
case is An issue of great
775
00:46:53,800 –> 00:46:57,400
interest to many Australians and
of interest to people across
776
00:46:57,400 –> 00:46:59,400
this chamber.
And that’s an important
777
00:46:59,400 –> 00:47:02,000
statement because Scott Morrison
really did.
778
00:47:02,300 –> 00:47:05,600
When asked when he was asked
about this, he really did say
779
00:47:06,000 –> 00:47:09,000
that’s for the u.s. to worry
about and it’s like he was just
780
00:47:09,000 –> 00:47:13,700
like man I want to fuck Pamela
Anderson or something like.
781
00:47:13,800 –> 00:47:16,900
Apparently that was his go-to
when she asked him about it.
782
00:47:17,200 –> 00:47:20,700
So it is important that this
prime minister came out and said
783
00:47:20,700 –> 00:47:23,800
that because yeah yeah.
At least he’s concerned about
784
00:47:23,800 –> 00:47:26,100
his citizens because that’s the
thing.
785
00:47:26,100 –> 00:47:28,700
At the end of the day, you’re
the Prime Minister.
786
00:47:28,700 –> 00:47:32,000
You have to, at least be like
well yeah he’s Australian.
787
00:47:32,000 –> 00:47:34,300
Of course, we care we don’t want
him, right?
788
00:47:34,300 –> 00:47:36,500
But Scott Morrison was a piece
of shit.
789
00:47:36,700 –> 00:47:39,700
Yeah, I mean, like it’s similar,
you know, it’s this whole like
790
00:47:39,700 –> 00:47:43,600
Coalition thing like, especially
with some right-wing asshole,
791
00:47:43,600 –> 00:47:46,300
like Scott Morrison.
And look, I don’t know much
792
00:47:46,300 –> 00:47:50,000
about Anthony Albanese.
I don’t know what his politics
793
00:47:50,000 –> 00:47:52,400
are particularly, but like I’m
sure.
794
00:47:52,900 –> 00:47:58,400
Morrison was much more willing,
it seems to suckle at the UST.
795
00:47:58,400 –> 00:48:00,800
Mmm.
Yeah I don’t know much about the
796
00:48:00,800 –> 00:48:05,000
current state of Australian
politics and me neither.
797
00:48:05,100 –> 00:48:08,000
I’m sure they’ve really come
around on immigration since I
798
00:48:08,000 –> 00:48:09,100
last checked.
Oh sure.
799
00:48:09,100 –> 00:48:11,600
Yeah, absolutely.
I bet there’s no racism and
800
00:48:12,000 –> 00:48:13,600
Australian politics at all
anymore.
801
00:48:13,800 –> 00:48:17,900
So that’s kind of where the
Julian Assange story is.
802
00:48:18,200 –> 00:48:21,500
We’re still waiting to see if
he’s going to be extradited.
803
00:48:21,600 –> 00:48:25,100
It seems.
Like kind of the global feeling
804
00:48:25,100 –> 00:48:27,000
on it is that he should not be
like.
805
00:48:27,000 –> 00:48:32,000
Yes, that part is also Crossing
some boundaries, just like the
806
00:48:32,000 –> 00:48:36,200
side that wants to have him
extradited and prosecuted that
807
00:48:36,200 –> 00:48:40,700
crosses, several US Government
administrations, but there are
808
00:48:40,800 –> 00:48:44,600
all sorts of sectors of the
world outside of that that are
809
00:48:44,600 –> 00:48:48,100
calling for the opposite.
And I think it’s a perfectly
810
00:48:48,100 –> 00:48:50,700
valid point.
I do think this is kind of an
811
00:48:50,700 –> 00:48:54,600
important moment that Yeah, we
got a hope goes our way.
812
00:48:54,700 –> 00:48:57,900
Yeah fingers crossed.
The last part.
813
00:48:57,900 –> 00:49:01,600
I want to talk about is I
mentioned it earlier.
814
00:49:01,600 –> 00:49:05,500
But the Chelsea Manning case
what happened.
815
00:49:05,500 –> 00:49:09,800
There is Chelsea Manning was
dealing with Wikileaks but also
816
00:49:09,800 –> 00:49:14,900
reached out to a hacker named
Adrian lamo, mmm at the time and
817
00:49:14,900 –> 00:49:18,400
if you read the transcripts,
it’s like hey, what would you
818
00:49:18,400 –> 00:49:22,800
think if I could tell you like,
it was like the active Ian’s of
819
00:49:22,800 –> 00:49:25,600
troops in the Middle East and
shit and Adrian.
820
00:49:25,600 –> 00:49:30,600
Lamo turned Chelsea Manning in
reported to the authorities and
821
00:49:30,800 –> 00:49:34,700
what dick how can you call
yourself a hacker?
822
00:49:35,000 –> 00:49:39,800
Well his shit like that argument
and I never really talked to him
823
00:49:39,800 –> 00:49:45,100
about this specifically but I do
know his argument was that he
824
00:49:45,100 –> 00:49:49,100
legitimately thought people were
going to be killed if that
825
00:49:49,100 –> 00:49:52,400
information was released in the
way they wanted to run.
826
00:49:52,500 –> 00:49:55,700
Lease it.
So, he, I mean, I guess to put
827
00:49:55,700 –> 00:49:59,100
your yourself in his shoes.
He kind of felt like, well,
828
00:49:59,200 –> 00:50:01,200
yeah.
I’m going to be an asshole if I
829
00:50:01,200 –> 00:50:03,500
report this.
But I’m also kind of an asshole,
830
00:50:03,500 –> 00:50:05,500
if I don’t.
Yes.
831
00:50:05,800 –> 00:50:11,100
Yeah, and I didn’t know who
Adrian lamo was, right?
832
00:50:11,100 –> 00:50:16,700
And then, he just kind of showed
up as a fan of my writing, it
833
00:50:16,700 –> 00:50:18,200
cracked.
Mmm.
834
00:50:18,400 –> 00:50:24,500
And what’s weird is in 2015,
when almost no one was willing
835
00:50:24,500 –> 00:50:27,600
to say, they even thought Trump
could win the Republican
836
00:50:27,600 –> 00:50:32,200
nomination, much less win the
presidency you did, people
837
00:50:32,200 –> 00:50:37,200
didn’t want to jinx it.
Well, I remember in 2015, Norm
838
00:50:37,200 –> 00:50:40,400
Macdonald was actually one of
the first people to come out in
839
00:50:40,400 –> 00:50:43,100
an interview and was like, oh,
this Trump’s kind of like
840
00:50:43,100 –> 00:50:45,600
Hitler, right?
And people are like that, okay?
841
00:50:45,900 –> 00:50:49,500
Okay.
The has Trump committed genocide
842
00:50:49,600 –> 00:50:51,400
and it’s like it took Hitler
while to get there.
843
00:50:51,400 –> 00:50:54,800
You dipshit.
But I remember seeing all the
844
00:50:54,800 –> 00:50:56,700
Uproar around that and I was
like, what are you talking
845
00:50:56,700 –> 00:50:59,400
about?
Of course, Trump is like Hitler
846
00:50:59,900 –> 00:51:03,700
and I wrote a cracked article
about it and it got something
847
00:51:03,700 –> 00:51:08,900
like 6 million page views and
this is like in the thick of
848
00:51:08,900 –> 00:51:10,900
trump announcing that he’s going
to run.
849
00:51:11,000 –> 00:51:13,700
And I wrote this article and was
like, of course, Trump could
850
00:51:13,700 –> 00:51:15,700
win.
After I wrote that article,
851
00:51:15,700 –> 00:51:19,100
which that’s a lot of people to
read one article.
852
00:51:19,100 –> 00:51:22,300
A lot of people started showing
up in my life.
853
00:51:22,600 –> 00:51:27,100
After that, and Adrian lamo was
one of those people who just
854
00:51:27,100 –> 00:51:31,200
kind of befriended me after that
cracked article out of the blue,
855
00:51:31,200 –> 00:51:34,500
like I had never gotten because
there’s like people who are fans
856
00:51:34,500 –> 00:51:38,100
of my work, but I like heard
from them before that, like
857
00:51:38,100 –> 00:51:41,500
they, they showed up when I
wasn’t doing political like,
858
00:51:41,500 –> 00:51:43,600
I’ve done political stuff for a
long time.
859
00:51:43,600 –> 00:51:47,400
But like, that’s when I like
this, my podcasts and my right
860
00:51:47,400 –> 00:51:49,800
and got really political when
Trump was running.
861
00:51:50,000 –> 00:51:53,100
And that’s also when people like
Adrian lamo, Showed up.
862
00:51:53,100 –> 00:51:56,300
And it’s like, dude, you’re
being nice and I get, I
863
00:51:56,300 –> 00:51:59,000
appreciate if you are a fan, I
appreciate it.
864
00:51:59,000 –> 00:52:01,100
But also you turned a
motherfucker into the
865
00:52:01,100 –> 00:52:02,400
government.
Yeah.
866
00:52:02,900 –> 00:52:06,400
And that stuff I’m sitting here
like, criticizing the
867
00:52:06,400 –> 00:52:09,900
government.
So like fortunately, we never
868
00:52:09,900 –> 00:52:15,000
really talked about anything
that important because he would
869
00:52:15,000 –> 00:52:18,500
always like he would want to
like send you an encryption key
870
00:52:18,500 –> 00:52:21,300
to be able to talk to him on
some strange platform.
871
00:52:21,300 –> 00:52:23,300
And it’s like don’t Just that
either.
872
00:52:23,300 –> 00:52:24,700
Sorry.
I don’t know.
873
00:52:24,700 –> 00:52:28,000
He’s like it needs to be more
secure than like signal or
874
00:52:28,000 –> 00:52:29,900
whatever.
Yeah, or Whatsapp.
875
00:52:29,900 –> 00:52:34,600
Yeah, he’s like open the global
undercover SI app on your phone,
876
00:52:35,000 –> 00:52:37,800
the same people that you give
your phone to at the Ecuadorian
877
00:52:37,800 –> 00:52:44,300
Embassy and yeah, so I knew that
guy and it was, that’s crazy.
878
00:52:44,400 –> 00:52:49,000
It was weird.
And then he died in 2019 in
879
00:52:49,000 –> 00:52:52,400
Wichita Kansas like three
months.
880
00:52:52,600 –> 00:52:57,700
My first and only ever trip to
Wichita Kansas in like we didn’t
881
00:52:57,700 –> 00:53:00,700
stay in touch enough for me to
know that he was going to
882
00:53:00,700 –> 00:53:02,300
Wichita.
Apparently, his family is from
883
00:53:02,300 –> 00:53:03,500
there.
Mmm.
884
00:53:03,800 –> 00:53:07,400
And I didn’t find out that he
had died until months and months
885
00:53:07,400 –> 00:53:11,300
and months later because it
wasn’t like a huge.
886
00:53:11,300 –> 00:53:13,800
I’m still don’t really know how
I found out.
887
00:53:13,900 –> 00:53:17,800
I think like, yeah, tweet
probably, but yeah.
888
00:53:17,800 –> 00:53:20,900
That’s that’s my weird side.
Note to the Julian, Assange
889
00:53:20,900 –> 00:53:22,400
story.
I knew it.
890
00:53:22,500 –> 00:53:24,900
Adrian lamo.
I mean, he seemed like a nice
891
00:53:24,900 –> 00:53:29,300
enough guy butter like, also,
you can’t like, go infiltrate
892
00:53:29,500 –> 00:53:33,000
upstart young political writers
and be an asshole about it,
893
00:53:33,000 –> 00:53:35,000
okay?
Face the government sent me
894
00:53:35,000 –> 00:53:38,100
here.
Yeah, tell me who you are?
895
00:53:38,600 –> 00:53:42,200
Yeah, follow me on any signal,
like, you have signal already.
896
00:53:42,300 –> 00:53:47,000
It must be hard to build, trust
at a certain point.
897
00:53:47,100 –> 00:53:50,800
Yeah, I would argue we never
really built trust.
898
00:53:51,100 –> 00:53:53,600
Well sure.
We Facebook messaged.
899
00:53:53,600 –> 00:53:56,300
And again he was nice but it was
weird.
900
00:53:56,300 –> 00:54:00,900
It was yeah, it was really of
all the people to have show up
901
00:54:00,900 –> 00:54:04,400
like having that guy it’s like
our this this this would be bad
902
00:54:04,400 –> 00:54:10,400
for my reputation, right?
What’s happening here but also
903
00:54:10,500 –> 00:54:13,000
rest in peace, they still don’t
know how he died.
904
00:54:13,400 –> 00:54:19,000
He died, rip under very
mysterious conditions.
905
00:54:19,000 –> 00:54:23,200
He, I think is younger than, or
was younger than me and I think
906
00:54:23,200 –> 00:54:25,600
his cause of death was like,
natural causes.
907
00:54:25,700 –> 00:54:27,900
Like they just don’t really
know.
908
00:54:28,200 –> 00:54:30,800
They think he might have had a
drug interaction with crate.
909
00:54:30,800 –> 00:54:35,600
Mm-hmm.
But he, he felt in his head fell
910
00:54:35,600 –> 00:54:39,800
into a Sheeta.
Saran Wrap and it’s got tangled.
911
00:54:39,900 –> 00:54:44,100
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Natural causes he took acid and
912
00:54:44,100 –> 00:54:46,500
got to hysterical and jumped out
a window.
913
00:54:49,800 –> 00:54:51,700
Oh man, the government.
Right?
914
00:54:51,700 –> 00:54:53,300
Right.
The government.
915
00:54:53,300 –> 00:55:01,100
So we have fun, we love to golf.
We are fascists the government.
916
00:55:01,100 –> 00:55:02,300
Not us.
That I know.
917
00:55:02,300 –> 00:55:04,300
Not us.
Not you and me.
918
00:55:05,900 –> 00:55:09,900
So Unless you have any questions
about Adrian lamo or any final?
919
00:55:09,900 –> 00:55:12,900
Thoughts on Julie?
I don’t on high.
920
00:55:13,600 –> 00:55:15,400
Yeah.
Just kind of flabbergasted about
921
00:55:15,400 –> 00:55:18,300
that mean.
It’s a crazy thing and it’s
922
00:55:18,300 –> 00:55:20,100
crazy that he died.
Other than that.
923
00:55:20,100 –> 00:55:21,400
I don’t really.
Yeah.
924
00:55:21,400 –> 00:55:23,200
I don’t know.
Yeah, it was strange.
925
00:55:23,300 –> 00:55:25,400
It was very strange.
Yeah.
926
00:55:25,600 –> 00:55:28,800
Um, do we have anything to plug
before we get out of here?
927
00:55:28,800 –> 00:55:30,500
I think that’s our episode,
right?
928
00:55:30,500 –> 00:55:32,000
Yeah.
Yeah, don’t arrest.
929
00:55:32,000 –> 00:55:34,600
If you only don’t arrest Yoo
li-an Assange.
930
00:55:34,700 –> 00:55:35,500
No no.
Yeah.
931
00:55:35,500 –> 00:55:37,900
That fuck.
That sucks that, I mean, or
932
00:55:37,900 –> 00:55:41,500
like, maybe like Sweden should
arrested for like the sexual
933
00:55:41,500 –> 00:55:43,600
assault stuff.
But like, right all this other
934
00:55:43,600 –> 00:55:51,700
stuff like whatever, but as
plugs going back our lost
935
00:55:51,700 –> 00:55:55,400
re-watch podcast nearing the end
of season one having a good
936
00:55:55,400 –> 00:55:56,100
time.
Yeah.
937
00:55:56,100 –> 00:56:00,100
Yeah.
I’m on the dying.
938
00:56:00,100 –> 00:56:01,900
Social media platform.
Twitter.
939
00:56:01,900 –> 00:56:06,500
I don’t tweet very often unless
something insane happens.
940
00:56:06,900 –> 00:56:10,400
Like, I don’t know.
Like the sitting president
941
00:56:10,400 –> 00:56:13,900
breaking up a union.
Strike that did happen.
942
00:56:13,900 –> 00:56:16,600
Yeah, yeah.
I didn’t know about that until
943
00:56:16,600 –> 00:56:20,600
today, and other than that,
nothing no plugs.
944
00:56:21,000 –> 00:56:25,600
I would like to plug Adam Todd
Brown dotsub stack.com, where
945
00:56:25,600 –> 00:56:29,800
you can read my writings.
If you would follow me there, I
946
00:56:29,808 –> 00:56:34,100
would appreciate it.
Also follow me on hive social at
947
00:56:34,100 –> 00:56:36,500
Adam Todd Brown.
That’s Todd with 1D.
948
00:56:36,800 –> 00:56:38,800
Trying it out.
Trying out the Twitter
949
00:56:38,800 –> 00:56:41,700
alternative.
I took the leap tweeted about.
950
00:56:41,700 –> 00:56:44,600
It said, follow me on hive
social and a bunch of people
951
00:56:44,600 –> 00:56:47,400
tweeted back and said the
servers are down for maintenance
952
00:56:47,600 –> 00:56:50,900
and that is the situation that
lasted about two days so that
953
00:56:50,900 –> 00:56:53,300
tweet was pointless.
Yeah.
954
00:56:53,500 –> 00:56:58,500
You know you can follow me there
now anyway and I think that’s
955
00:56:58,500 –> 00:56:59,400
it.
That’s good enough.
956
00:56:59,400 –> 00:57:01,600
Let’s get the fuck out of here.
Olivia say goodbye.
957
00:57:01,700 –> 00:57:03,100
Bye.
Goodbye everybody.
958
00:57:03,100 –> 00:57:05,800
We love you all so rest in
peace, Christine McVie.
959
00:57:05,900 –> 00:57:07,600
Yes.
Capice.
960
00:57:12,800 –> 00:57:13,200
People.