Conspiracy! The Show 233: Documentary Review: This Place Rules

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Welcome to conspiracy the show.
The world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast with
your host, Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia haydar
Hey everybody, Welcome to

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conspiracy the show.
I’m your host, Adam Tom Brown

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joining me as co-host today.
My favorite co-host of all.

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No co-host.
But I do have a guest who is my

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co-host on another podcast and
who has been on this podcast, a

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whole bunch of times.
Jen Scott is here.

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It’s true.
It’s me.

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I feel like to burp and sneeze
that whole time.

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You were talking.
I was trying not to and now

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they’re both gone.
That’s frustrating.

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Get the nerve just like, went
back down inside.

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There we go.
There it is.

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There it is.
I could have held it forever.

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But it is since we talked about
it it could come out and I’m

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being an asshole.
It’s not just Jen Scott.

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Who’s here, her dog.
Clarence is also joining us.

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My dog Clarence.
Is also here here.

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Clarence sniffed the microphone.
Okay, that’s the best you can

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do.
Clarence, you tried your best?

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I really was like a fuck you.
I look forward to your input on

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the Pod.
So Jen, how’s it going?

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Oh bad, I hear you. 23 is kind
of a cunt.

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Yeah, it’s it’s not been great
so far.

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I still have an anesthesia
needle in my jaw.

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For example, that is true.
You have entered a new year with

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a needle in your jaw.
Yeah, when out, like of lamb

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with a needle in my jaw, and
came in like a lion, with a

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needle in my jaw.
Ah, have you considered that?

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Your jaw is a haystack?
I wonder if I could just do

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without it.
Okay.

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Well and it’s so hard that they
can’t get it out.

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It is giving needle in a
haystack Vibe, it really is.

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Yeah, I am the proverbial
Haystack.

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Yeah.
You hey stacking, that’s for

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sure.
So we’re talking about a

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documentary today.
This is your R.

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This is a documentary that you
Recommended to me and then I

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looked into what it was about
and I was like, oh we should do

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a conspiracy episode about that.
And then, oh, boy, did things

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come out about this documentary
filmmaker?

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We literally scheduled it and
then the next day it was like,

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oh fuck.
Should we still do this episode?

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And my ass was like, well, I
think it’s a really important

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conversation to have.
I mean, that kind of, is I think

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it is kind of an important.
And conversation to have in so

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many ways in so many ways.
I’m uncomfortable ways, many

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uncomfortable ways.
In fact, like, I also, I have

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like an anecdotal story that I
had met Andrew Callahan on the

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street, like the week before.
Oh, really.

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Yes, I knew nothing about him
before this and we should tell

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people.
I mean, I’m acting like there’s

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a lot of mystery as to what
we’re talking about.

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Yeah, we’re like, we will
reveal.

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Yeah, as if People don’t
download this podcast.

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That has a title that says and
description, but we’re talking

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about the HBO Max documentary
this place rules.

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Which originally supposed to be
named.

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America takes a shit and HBO
said, no.

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Oh, this place rules is so much
better title.

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Oh my God.
Yeah, that that’s that’s what

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you’re funnier.
Yeah, that’s Corporate America

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stepping in for the better.
That’s that’s rare.

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You don’t see that happen?
Did it a whole lot?

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Yeah, it’s me.
Made by a comedian.

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He’s a comedian, right?
He calls himself.

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No, does he do stand-up comedy?
No, he doesn’t.

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Okay, journalist, I’ve seen him
described as a comedian, but

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really well there.
I mean there is some just

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because of Tim and Eric, well,
Tim and Eric produced it so, I

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mean, probably that but there is
a comedic element to the way he

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conducts interviews.
I think the way he interviews

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people is kind of fascinating
because it is it.

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Just like letting them talk it’s
that and I feel like he gets a

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lot out of people by not
reacting to what they’re saying.

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Yeah.
He’s very much just like nodding

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the interview that like really
typifies that for me in this

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documentary, he’s talking to the
black Trump supporter who keeps

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doing push-ups.
Remember that guy?

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Yes.
And this guys getting so worked

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up and at one point, he just It
screams like Trump is a God and

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you can tell he’s expecting a
reaction and he doesn’t get it

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and then he just like calms down
and keeps talking so crazy.

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It is and that’s kind of what I
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It’s not what sucks about the
allegations about this guy but I

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want to look into his work more
in like and I know I’ve been

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watching him for so long like he
did all gasp no breaks like

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forever ago and there’s even
some of the footage that’s Is

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still from all gasp no brakes
era before, like that company.

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Pretty much stole that brand
name from him and replaced him,

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which was like crazy because
nobody’s going to be able to get

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the same content out of people,
his interview style.

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Also reminds me of a selling
technique that they teach you in

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retail where the way he just
kind of puts the microphone in

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someone’s face.
You feel like you have to talk?

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Yeah.
And there’s two selling

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techniques that remind me of
this.

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I would they tell you to just
put something in somebody’s

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hands.
Yes.

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When you’re selling it to them
just put it in their hands.

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They’re so much more likely to
buy it.

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The amount of shit I have sold
because I just put it in.

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Someone’s hand like it’s crazy.
People are like oh this is mine.

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Now the like your brain just
goes this is my responsibility

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now.
Yeah you have to like critically

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think more than you ever would
have if you had never held

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something and I think that the
microphone being put in your

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face is the same general effect.
And then also, there’s like a

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selling technique that I don’t
know if me and my co-workers

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made it.
Or what?

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But the microphone does the same
thing as this where we would

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cross our arms.
Like hold your wrist in front of

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you, with your arms down in
front of like just with your

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arms down, hold your arms in
front of you, when you’re

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talking and then put them behind
you when it’s the other person’s

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turn to talk.
Wow.

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And that is like again like the
same like microphone and like

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you’re knowing what it’s like a
Talking Stick kind of, but with,

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like physical interaction.
But yeah, that’s a really good

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way.
A to get somebody to know when

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it’s their turn to talk as if
you just move your arms behind

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your back and look at them.
Yeah.

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And I mean, speaking of retail
techniques, I used to sell

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furniture for a while.
And one of the things I learned

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selling furniture that I think
is applicable to how he

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interviews people is whoever
talks last losses.

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Hmm.
Like you’re supposed to say.

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All right, so what do you think?
And then you don’t say shit

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until Talk again because if you
open ended questions, yeah.

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If you wait and jump in and go
or like we have a sale next

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week, they’re going to be like,
all right.

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Fine, thank you for breaking
that tension.

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I’ll come in next week, but you
leave it to them to break that

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tension and see if they want to
disappoint you or not.

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And yeah, it does seem like he
employs a lot of that in his

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interviews.
But we talked about this

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documentary a little bit on
Trend Pony in Jessica singer

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brought up that she could also
see him kind of employing these

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tactics on women.
He’s trying to fuck.

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Yeah victims and that’s kind of
what has come out about him.

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Yeah more than anything the term
sex pest has been thrown around

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but we’ll get to that.
I think that it’s worth talking

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about the documentary without
the overhanging.

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Andrew being a fuck aspect.
Yeah that’s the thing.

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It’s a real.
I think it’s worth talking about

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with the Andrew being a fuck.
Specs to so both of them.

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Yeah and we should you know
we’ll talk about the documentary

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first obviously because that’s
what came out first chronology

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now.
Beat by beat, we’re going to

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have the perspective of someone
who knew about the documentary

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maker being a fuck and someone
who never knew.

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Ya seen by see, we’re gonna go
through the whole thing.

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So I didn’t expect this to start
with a dispute between Joker,

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gang and gum gang.
Me neither Sure.

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And I was like, who the fuck are
these two?

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That’s it really just goes to
show how huge the internet is

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like, there’s room for all of
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This Joker gang guy has like,
80,000 followers or something

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like and he’s, I think more than
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I think like eight hundred
thousand followers.

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Yeah, maybe she was like, my
goal is to million.

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Oh yeah, that’s right.
And he’s just like a fucking

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internet goofball.
Like yeah.

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Like fart jokes the person.
Right.

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And then there’s gum gang, who
is all of that, but also Trump

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supporter.
Mmm-hmm, like I got the sense

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that joker gang was not.
I think he was away.

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Joker gang is not fart jokes
person.

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Gum gang is fart jokes.
The person Joker.

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Gang is Joker.
Pilled just like the Joker.

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Right.
Right, right.

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But Florida and right Florida, I
want to say it was Florida.

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I think it was Florida.
Not Florida.

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I’m shocked.
Yeah, if it’s not Not they

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should they should go there.
Yeah, either way, it’s just two

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dudes, really comfortable
throwing the N word around, so

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comfortable and they actually
asked Andrew Callahan, why he

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opened the documentary with this
footage and he was like, I don’t

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know.
It kind of like represents Trump

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supporters versus everyone else,
like it’s a fight, like it’s a

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battle.
And I don’t know if I agree with

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that, but it did make for an
interesting opening to the

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Comentary.
I don’t know if it was the best

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metaphor but if that’s what he
sees it as that’s interesting

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because he was there.
Yeah.

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Yeah and it is interesting
footage, I don’t know if he’s

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trying to show it as like these
are the two cartoonish extremes

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of each side because if so I
don’t think he nailed that

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either.
Well actually I guess if I think

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about like the core of Joker
it’s very like in Celie.

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Dude Vibes, you know, and that
gives that gives a lot of like Q

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Vibes.
Also, just like the real deep

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insanity and then like, with gum
gang, it’s just like, kind of

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like stupidity.
And I think that that could

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really just like encapsulate
anyone else?

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Yeah, pretty much.
Um, so I do think it’s like an

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all right thing, but I do really
think about like their names and

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what they stand for.
But I do think that it’s

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interesting that they were able
to show these Guys, eventually

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being cordial with each other
and no one else ever is.

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Yeah.
They really did bridge that

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boilers these two hugged after
their fight.

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Yeah.
But that is Phi.

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F.
Also, by Andrew, like, imagine

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that to like, I don’t know about
you, but I had never heard of

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Joker gang or gum gang.
No, never at all.

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But they have enough of a
following that they do like a

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celebrity boxing match, and it
seemed like a lot of people All

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showed up yeah.
Like more Pierre than if I just

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like booked a spur-of-the-moment
comedy show.

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Oh, more people than if both of
us did?

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Like a lot of people.
Yeah, it was pretty depressing,

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you know?
Mmm-hmm, but that’s, that’s

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Entertainment, folks.
Also, we’re not fighting people

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fights in Adam, like, no matter
what you’re going to go to a

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fight, like that’s just, that’s
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been, you know?
Yeah, if you hear somebody, you

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know, is going to fight.
You are There, yeah, like if me

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and Jen booked a fight, hello
people would show up, including

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the police Legend you, and I
like fucking trained to fight

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each other would be amazing.
No idea, who would win.

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Yeah, I mean you’d have to
reach.

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I think I am like, shockingly
tall.

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Yeah.
And like Scrappy.

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And I don’t like, I would like
fucking try, you know?

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And I’m all old and shit.
Yeah.

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But like you’re also a dude.
Yeah, I’m also yeah.

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Big strong guy.
I don’t know who would win.

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Okay, chat.
Way is who wins and what charity

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do you want to donate to, to
make it happen who wins and why

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we will be expecting Ting
accepting three page essays.

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Anyways, so that’s not even
anything to do with the

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documentary.
No, no, the, that they show a

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bunch of clips of Andrew
Callahan’s, previous work and it

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looks interesting.
I just I have never taken any of

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it in.
It seems like he definitely was

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not that political at first, it
was just asking people questions

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on Bourbon Street, after bar
time.

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Yeah, but then it turned into
something else.

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It Like and I guess got a little
more political.

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I think that he was just really
okay to a me.

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Andrew was just seeking out
people who were doing

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risk-taking Behavior.
Yeah.

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And kind of I think the vibe
that I got from all gasp.

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No brakes was a level of
hopelessness across the board

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with everyone that like is shown
through whatever we’re And

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risk-taking behavior people are
partaking in and just like their

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reasoning for that and like how
truly fucked up everybody.

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That is true.
So, I think that’s like kind of

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what all gasp no brakes was.
And also, I think that he’s just

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like, very passionate about,
like, seeking out anything like

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he’s just like a very curious
person.

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Was the vibe that I got, and
also seeking like risk-taking

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Behavior.
Yeah, yeah.

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He does.
Like, He goes a lot of places

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this this has kind of Borat
Vibes to it but like, yes, but

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like if Sacha Baron Cohen went
out and did Borat stuff as Sacha

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Baron Cohen instead of right,
just like a real person because

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it’s like a lot of what made
Borat.

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So great was the things that
people were willing to do

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because there was a camera and a
microphone in their face.

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It wasn’t so much Sacha Baron
Cohen and it’s kind of the same

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thing here like just by being
willing to show up in.

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Some of these places, he gets
footage.

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A lot of other people aren’t
going to get like because he’s

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not going in as like a news man.
It’s not like.

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I’m feel like he was very
committed to maintaining

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neutrality in his interviews.
Yeah, we’re like he’s not giving

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any emotional response and I
think in that way you kind of

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Don’t really get to know, Andrew
throughout any of his work.

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It’s not really over about that,
and I think that a lot that’s

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like, what I was drawn to is a
lot of everything lately, even

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fucking newscasters on
regular-ass channels.

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You’re like seeing that person’s
character, pretty regularly,

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because of hyper individualism,
being rewarded right now and I

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just didn’t see that from him
and I don’t know if that was for

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journalism or just you You know,
who he is or what.

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But it is definitely something I
was drawn to because I hadn’t

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seen that behavior before.
Yeah, it’s an interesting

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approach because he looks like
fucking Napoleon Dynamite.

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Yeah, he’s even also loved
seeing somebody out there.

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Just like with fucking acne like
looking like some dude.

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Yeah, but that’s kind of like
the only like comedic thing

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about it.
The rest of it, he’s just kind

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of letting everyone else.
Divide.

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Yeah, I don’t even think he’s
trying to look funny.

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I think he was trying to look
like not there, like he’s

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wearing like, a beige suit.
Yeah.

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Like it’s like I think he was
trying his best to blend.

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Do you know what I mean?
Like, even though that wasn’t

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like nessus, like he was trying
to look like a journalist,

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right?
Yeah.

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So the premise of this
documentary, it seems like it’s

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kind of along the same lines of
his previous work.

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It’s like man on the street
stuff, but it starts with him,

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kind of like digging into q and
on and talking to q and

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non-believers and it eventually
escalates to being more about

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the January 6th Insurrection.
Even though he wasn’t at that

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like I expected he would have
footage from that.

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That but he they made it seem
like that.

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But then I realized that even if
he was at that the implications

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of him being at that would not
be something that they could do

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with the movie.
Yeah.

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What I wondered was what if he
was there?

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Like I think he definitely was
what hit yeah but he said he had

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covid.
That’s even more reason that I

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think he probably was there.
Yeah, I don’t know because I

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just, I’d they lied.
They show us all that footage of

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him in bed.
I wonder if he would have.

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I was like Her.
I wonder if you would have gone

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inside if he was there, he would
have tried.

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So that’s why I think he wasn’t
there because it’s not like

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you’re not going to recognize
him on all those cameras.

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Like, that’s how most of the
people got arrested is there

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were so it’s the fucking United
States Capitol.

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There are so many cameras
around.

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He wasn’t there.
I feel like probably somebody

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from this production team was.
Yeah, I’m sure.

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Um but also I don’t think that
When Tim and Eric got on board

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with making a movie with him,
that they knew what the movie

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was going to be.
Yeah, and I don’t think that the

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like story aspect or the
seriousness of or the weight of

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the movie, became what it was
until down the road because he

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has so much footage in a lot of
it is not political or anything

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to do with any of that shit at
all.

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A lot of it is like festivals
and stuff.

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Yeah.
And so I I think that they had

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any real Direction until they
realize they had all of this

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documentation of people who were
a part of the Insurrection.

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Right?
And so one of the first people

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he talks to is eventually
becomes one of the most

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important figures in this
documentary is a guy named Dave

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todeschini, the Inglorious
Patriot this is here’s like

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stereotypical queuing on Trump.
So this is Motherfucker is a

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cartoon.
Yeah, he looks like he’s

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probably in his 60s or 70s and
just every week you and I on

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Democrats are eatin babies
conspiracy theory.

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You can think of this guy is
into it.

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He says that the Democrats have
been sacrificing children to

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moloch.
He says either these people get

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arrested or there’s going to be
another Revolutionary War, okay?

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And I like, There is a really
brilliant piece of foreshadowing

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in this moment.
Because we meet Dave todeschini

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we get to hear about all of his
wacky beliefs and then they it’s

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just kind of offhandedly
mentioned that.

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Oh yeah, he’s not allowed to
leave the state.

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Yes.
Us and then they just move on to

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another of his friends who is
somewhere in Washington DC, and

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it’s like, oh, that’s
interesting.

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But you don’t think anything
about it.

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It like moves on so quick.
Yeah, just goes so quick that

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you’re like.
All right, that guy was crazy

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and that comes back.
We find out why Dave isn’t

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allowed to leave the state and
it’s pretty fucking fascinating.

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Like I do feel like that was a
really good not good but like

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fascinating part of the plot.
Yeah, the especially for

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everything that happens after
yes.

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And it blows my mind.
That people like Dave

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todeschini, like all of these
wacky beliefs of his, he’s

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getting from the internet like
this, dude is just chronically

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online but somehow also is so
internet Dumb that he doesn’t

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realize.
Anyone can look up his past and

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find out the things he’s done
and call him out a motherfucker,

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and he’s willing to go on this.
Fucking Fucking documentary in

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spout.
This shit just oblivious to the

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fact that it could be turned
around on him at the end, which

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is what happens and we’ll get
there.

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My random question to you
because this is the conspiracy

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show.
Sure is.

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Do you think that people have
always believed the insane

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innate amount of conspiracy
stuff that there is?

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And there just wasn’t a way to
share it or do we think that it

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has gotten insanely worse with
the internet?

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And there’s just so much more
Ready to spread because I can

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remember like a lot of like
myths and weird conspiracy and

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stuff that you like talked about
and things when you’re like when

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I was a kid.
But like I still had the

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internet, the internet was still
developing.

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So I don’t really remember a
time before that, as far as like

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conspiracy theories, go and like
the conspiracy theories I’m

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thinking of are like weird, perv
kid ones.

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I know it sounds weird to say
but I am old enough to remember

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that conspiracy.
Ruiz didn’t really become a

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taboo thing until the internet.
Like, it seems like everything

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else was just kind of like an
urban legend before that.

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No, not just that, it was just
kind of accepted as another

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Viewpoint, and no one really got
all that mad about it like

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conspiracy theories seem like
they have gotten more prevalent

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with the internet and I would
argue they have not because I

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remember a time when you could
go into Barnes and Noble and

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they would Of like one of those,
you know, rotating Book Rack,

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things that was full of
paperback books that were like

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150 Pages really short and they
were just like, Cliff Notes on

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various conspiracy theories.
I had one about Malcolm X.

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I had one about Martin Luther
King jr.

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And it was just really
straightforward.

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Like here is what the
alternative version of History

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claims happened to Malcolm X or
JFK.

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And it was just like Like kind
of commonplace and then it

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wasn’t until the internet that
conspiracy theories.

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Not only like took on this stink
of being a fringe thing, but as

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it carried on it became a fringe
right-wing thing.

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Where like, if you say the word
conspiracy theory, you are a

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right winger now, like it was
that was never ever.

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Ever, ever the case before the
internet.

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Well, I feel like that is so
Damaging.

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Also, I think that we’ve talked
about this potentially, a lot of

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times that like a conspiracy is
not necessarily something that

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is always outlandishly untrue.
And I think that that has been

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labeled that way because of the
right and because of Q and like,

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how far gone the internet rabbit
hole is but like there are

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conspiracies frequently that are
true.

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Well, I mean, all a conspiracy
really is, is, you know, two or

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more people working together.
Together toward a goal.

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But telling people, the goal is
something else either that or

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just not wanting to people
people to know, they’re working

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toward that goal, like, the war
in, Iraq was a conspiracy like

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we didn’t, everyone knows we
didn’t go because of weapons of

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mass destruction now and it’s
pretty grind place to question

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that.
And that’s the example, I always

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use.
Like most people are confident

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that there were no weapons of
mass destruction and it’s like,

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well then what’s the difference
like that?

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A conspiracy theory to like
conspiracy theories.

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At the end of the day, in a lot
of cases, just boil down to

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questioning the government’s
official versions of events as

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you should.
And yeah, this government has

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given us nothing but Decades of
historical proof that we should

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always question their motives
and what they’re up to and I

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think labeling conspire
government descent as conspiracy

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theories is.
Is one of the biggest fucking

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psyops this government.
Oh old off.

435
00:25:36,000 –> 00:25:40,100
Yeah.
Because now it really, we really

436
00:25:40,100 –> 00:25:44,300
have reached a point where, if
you question the official

437
00:25:44,300 –> 00:25:47,100
government version of events,
you’re labeled a conspiracy

438
00:25:47,100 –> 00:25:51,300
theorist and that’s nuts.
That’s absolutely insane.

439
00:25:51,400 –> 00:25:55,900
But some weird shit is going on
on Tick-Tock about this, kind of

440
00:25:55,900 –> 00:25:57,600
stuff.
But I think that’s a

441
00:25:57,608 –> 00:26:00,100
conversation for another day.
Yeah, we should get back to this

442
00:26:00,100 –> 00:26:01,200
donkey.
Yeah.

443
00:26:01,200 –> 00:26:05,400
Anyways anyways, it’s so easy to
like get into that though

444
00:26:05,400 –> 00:26:11,600
because I feel like people stay
blaming the internet and I feel

445
00:26:11,600 –> 00:26:15,000
like a lot of what this does is
show you that there’s people

446
00:26:15,000 –> 00:26:20,700
that don’t even fucking require
that to be at this level.

447
00:26:20,800 –> 00:26:23,200
Yeah, this was all spreading
before the internet.

448
00:26:23,400 –> 00:26:26,700
Like it’s, yeah, I feel like
this guy that fucking Dave guy

449
00:26:26,700 –> 00:26:29,500
in particular, this guy would
have found a way to feel like

450
00:26:29,500 –> 00:26:32,400
this without the Neto for
Stephen good at the internet.

451
00:26:32,400 –> 00:26:36,900
Yeah, for sure.
I love the clip of Andrew

452
00:26:37,000 –> 00:26:38,600
traveling to.
I think he goes.

453
00:26:38,600 –> 00:26:43,300
Yeah, it goes to DC and talks to
a friend of Dave’s in this guy

454
00:26:43,300 –> 00:26:49,700
is just going on and on and on
about globalists and Andrew just

455
00:26:49,700 –> 00:26:52,700
goes, who are the globalists in
the guys?

456
00:26:52,700 –> 00:26:57,500
Like, oh, you know, like the
gloves, the globalists and he’s

457
00:26:57,500 –> 00:26:59,900
like, you know, the classic
globalist, he’s like, can you

458
00:26:59,900 –> 00:27:02,100
name it?
Globalist and the guys like

459
00:27:02,400 –> 00:27:07,000
yeah.
But you know it’s the names like

460
00:27:07,200 –> 00:27:12,900
it’s so like it’s funny but it’s
also sad, it’s fucked up because

461
00:27:13,100 –> 00:27:17,200
everybody tries to have a group
of people that they scapegoat

462
00:27:17,200 –> 00:27:19,800
and who are the globalists?
Yeah.

463
00:27:20,800 –> 00:27:23,600
What does that mean?
Yeah, the globalist it’s

464
00:27:23,600 –> 00:27:26,700
globalist.
What is a globalist?

465
00:27:26,700 –> 00:27:30,700
I will say the Biden supporter
that he briefly shows does come

466
00:27:30,700 –> 00:27:33,400
off as just kind of equally
crazy.

467
00:27:33,500 –> 00:27:37,000
Yes, I love that.
Yeah, that’s there’s late.

468
00:27:37,000 –> 00:27:39,800
Which which person was that?
Oh yes.

469
00:27:40,000 –> 00:27:42,300
The 100.
She is more crazy.

470
00:27:42,300 –> 00:27:43,000
Maybe.
Yeah.

471
00:27:43,000 –> 00:27:46,500
She’s like all dead in the eyes
and she goes Trump is going to

472
00:27:46,508 –> 00:27:49,400
go to prison in 2022 and he’s
going to get raped.

473
00:27:49,700 –> 00:27:52,500
She sure does.
And it’s like speaking of that’s

474
00:27:52,500 –> 00:27:54,300
what you’ve put your energy
towards babe.

475
00:27:54,400 –> 00:27:58,100
Yeah, speaking of things.
For another podcast, we should

476
00:27:58,100 –> 00:28:00,300
probably talk about prison rape
jokes.

477
00:28:00,600 –> 00:28:03,100
Someday.
Yeah, I said, where should stop

478
00:28:03,100 –> 00:28:05,600
with that?
It’s everything phobic.

479
00:28:05,600 –> 00:28:09,800
Yeah, I used to do a bit on
stage about it, but like,

480
00:28:09,800 –> 00:28:13,200
especially, when you consider
the demographics of our prison

481
00:28:13,200 –> 00:28:16,800
population.
Like there’s nothing funny about

482
00:28:16,800 –> 00:28:22,000
rape as retribution ever.
Let us like in the United States

483
00:28:22,000 –> 00:28:25,500
if we’re talking our prison
population, like that is a

484
00:28:25,500 –> 00:28:28,600
victimized population already
and we just.

485
00:28:28,600 –> 00:28:31,000
Yep.
Yuck it up about People getting

486
00:28:31,000 –> 00:28:35,300
raped in prison getting, yes,
absolutely, terrible things

487
00:28:35,300 –> 00:28:38,300
happening to people who terrible
things have already happened to

488
00:28:38,500 –> 00:28:42,000
just hilarious to us.
Yeah, that is that shit is not

489
00:28:42,000 –> 00:28:44,400
fucking funny.
Also, like the fact that none of

490
00:28:44,400 –> 00:28:47,700
us can go a day without dropping
soap and thinking about rape,

491
00:28:47,700 –> 00:28:50,500
that’s fucking annoying.
Yeah, exactly.

492
00:28:51,000 –> 00:28:54,100
Like not cool.
And I’m still a bar soap guy so

493
00:28:54,200 –> 00:29:02,000
it’s a sexual problem, America.
So oh man the Trump supporter.

494
00:29:02,000 –> 00:29:04,800
Who said she was a teacher in
the hood.

495
00:29:04,900 –> 00:29:11,400
Oh God this poor bitch.
Damn she really is trying to be

496
00:29:11,400 –> 00:29:14,400
a good person is what’s fucked
up about all of it.

497
00:29:14,700 –> 00:29:18,500
Yeah she just has no idea what
that looks like.

498
00:29:18,700 –> 00:29:24,400
She raps she says that it was
the best way to you know get

499
00:29:24,400 –> 00:29:28,800
across her students must hate
her so much.

500
00:29:29,200 –> 00:29:30,700
Students because she was in the
hood.

501
00:29:30,700 –> 00:29:33,300
So of course, you have to rap to
kids in the hood.

502
00:29:33,300 –> 00:29:36,800
To get them African-American
less so many times.

503
00:29:36,800 –> 00:29:38,500
Yeah.
And it’s so.

504
00:29:38,800 –> 00:29:42,800
Oh my God.
Like it’s the most racist shit

505
00:29:42,800 –> 00:29:47,600
and she’s trying so hard to come
off as like see I get it.

506
00:29:47,700 –> 00:29:50,200
I’m hip.
I know you have to wrap when

507
00:29:50,200 –> 00:29:54,500
you’re talking to black people,
she seriously was like, I just

508
00:29:54,500 –> 00:29:58,100
get along better with African
American people and I’m like, I

509
00:29:58,100 –> 00:29:59,800
don’t know that you do.
Oh, baby.

510
00:30:00,800 –> 00:30:03,900
You don’t they all make fun of
you as soon as you leave the

511
00:30:03,900 –> 00:30:05,800
room?
No, she absolutely thinks she’s

512
00:30:05,800 –> 00:30:08,600
doing the Lord’s work.
And no one likes her.

513
00:30:08,700 –> 00:30:13,600
Yeah, she’s sad a huge piece of
shit, but like, just garbage and

514
00:30:13,600 –> 00:30:15,800
I bet you she’s never listen to
anybody.

515
00:30:16,800 –> 00:30:19,100
I’m going to tell you, my least
favorite person in this

516
00:30:19,100 –> 00:30:21,800
documentary, which is saying a
lot because Alex Jones is in.

517
00:30:21,800 –> 00:30:27,000
It is Edward X young, erotic
horror film actor.

518
00:30:27,000 –> 00:30:29,000
He’s the guy who was wearing the
camouflage.

519
00:30:29,100 –> 00:30:33,600
Maga hat but he talks like an
intellectual and I don’t know

520
00:30:33,600 –> 00:30:38,900
how any American can see this
election that happened and not

521
00:30:38,900 –> 00:30:41,300
see.
It is fraudulence like shut the

522
00:30:41,300 –> 00:30:44,200
fuck up with that accent.
Where are you from?

523
00:30:44,600 –> 00:30:47,500
No one talks like that the
United States, you’re trying to

524
00:30:47,508 –> 00:30:51,000
sound smarter than everyone else
in your a dipshit the

525
00:30:51,000 –> 00:30:53,200
Transatlantic accent.
Yeah.

526
00:30:53,600 –> 00:30:56,100
Hey, I don’t know why people
don’t see that this was fraud.

527
00:30:56,100 –> 00:31:00,000
See, hey, sweetie.
That guy.

528
00:31:00,000 –> 00:31:03,200
Fuck the fuck sucked.
Yeah, he’s a nightmare and all

529
00:31:03,200 –> 00:31:07,100
the footage of him arguing with
people was fucking exhausting is

530
00:31:07,100 –> 00:31:09,300
bad.
I did like the million Maga

531
00:31:09,300 –> 00:31:11,300
March.
I didn’t like the Million Man

532
00:31:11,300 –> 00:31:14,000
March, but I did like the
footage of it in this

533
00:31:14,000 –> 00:31:18,000
documentary and all the Alex
Jones stuff is amazing.

534
00:31:18,100 –> 00:31:21,100
The Alex Jones stuff.
I like don’t even know how he

535
00:31:21,100 –> 00:31:23,600
was able to get so chummy with
him like that.

536
00:31:23,700 –> 00:31:26,300
It’s crazy.
Yeah, like I’m like damn.

537
00:31:26,300 –> 00:31:30,400
He like really got in with Alex.
And I know people at home are

538
00:31:30,400 –> 00:31:32,700
like, oh, what do you mean, did
they go to a Perkins and have

539
00:31:32,700 –> 00:31:34,700
lunch?
No, there’s a point where their

540
00:31:34,700 –> 00:31:38,200
bench pressing and pouring
alcohol into each other’s mouths

541
00:31:38,200 –> 00:31:42,400
while they’re doing it.
And, you know, that was 100%

542
00:31:42,400 –> 00:31:45,600
Alex Jones is idea.
So like what is his day-to-day?

543
00:31:45,900 –> 00:31:49,400
Yeah, he was.
He was having a day that day

544
00:31:49,500 –> 00:31:51,600
clearly.
He looked like that, like was

545
00:31:51,600 –> 00:31:54,300
just a fantasy.
He lives out all the time.

546
00:31:54,400 –> 00:31:56,900
Like he was just like, this is
just how I work out.

547
00:31:56,900 –> 00:31:58,900
Just another day, interviewing
journalist.

548
00:31:59,100 –> 00:32:02,000
Lists fuck man.
Like Alex Jones.

549
00:32:02,000 –> 00:32:07,700
I would love to never meet him.
Yeah, I still I got to sit

550
00:32:07,700 –> 00:32:11,000
someone down and run.
My Bill Hicks really is Alex

551
00:32:11,000 –> 00:32:13,300
Jones, conspiracy counts,
people.

552
00:32:13,400 –> 00:32:17,500
I got chills.
Here’s the thing and everyone

553
00:32:17,500 –> 00:32:22,500
wants to laugh this part off but
Bill Hicks died and a year

554
00:32:22,500 –> 00:32:27,500
later, Alex Jones, a guy who
looks a shit-ton like him and

555
00:32:27,500 –> 00:32:31,700
has the exact same.
Voice as him ends up on the same

556
00:32:31,700 –> 00:32:36,300
production company.
As Bill Hicks, and then just

557
00:32:36,300 –> 00:32:38,500
law.
And Bill Hicks was political.

558
00:32:38,500 –> 00:32:42,600
As I know, I want, I mean, I am
listen to everything Bill Hicks

559
00:32:42,800 –> 00:32:47,400
front-to-back, come on, and he
hated Hillary Clinton.

560
00:32:47,400 –> 00:32:49,200
Yeah.
I mean, he hated a lot of stuff

561
00:32:49,200 –> 00:32:51,100
and wanted to just see it all
burn.

562
00:32:51,200 –> 00:32:55,900
And in that would be the way to
do it and he died of cancer.

563
00:32:56,100 –> 00:32:59,000
Aha, which I mean, that’s a good
way to just kind.

564
00:32:59,100 –> 00:33:02,700
Kind of like fade from obscurity
as opposed to like he wasn’t

565
00:33:02,700 –> 00:33:05,200
like shot on public television
or anything.

566
00:33:05,200 –> 00:33:08,600
Like no, just you can fake dying
of cancer.

567
00:33:08,600 –> 00:33:10,900
Really good theory.
Like he could have just really

568
00:33:10,900 –> 00:33:15,800
fucking bulked up like gotten
heavy changed like his face a

569
00:33:15,800 –> 00:33:21,300
little and I got Botox legit and
also we’re really getting off

570
00:33:21,300 –> 00:33:23,500
into other shit.
I’ve mentioned this before, but

571
00:33:23,600 –> 00:33:26,900
I have not heard this Theory.
Well, we’ve talked a little bit

572
00:33:26,900 –> 00:33:28,900
about the internet and
conspiracy.

573
00:33:29,100 –> 00:33:32,100
Raised.
And I’ve always liked regardless

574
00:33:32,100 –> 00:33:35,800
of the Bill Hicks stuff.
My opinion about Alex Jones, has

575
00:33:35,800 –> 00:33:40,300
always been that when the
internet started, the government

576
00:33:40,300 –> 00:33:43,400
knew they were going to have to
do something about how

577
00:33:43,400 –> 00:33:47,700
information like anti-government
information was going to spread

578
00:33:47,700 –> 00:33:50,800
on the internet.
And so do you just crack down

579
00:33:50,800 –> 00:33:54,600
like China which is completely
antithetical to what the United

580
00:33:54,600 –> 00:33:57,800
States is supposed to be.
Do you like kill people when

581
00:33:57,800 –> 00:34:01,100
they get too close?
Those two real information on

582
00:34:01,100 –> 00:34:05,800
the internet, like we were doing
in the 60s or do you get your

583
00:34:05,800 –> 00:34:10,400
own personality out there in the
conspiracy theory circuit to

584
00:34:10,400 –> 00:34:14,100
wear anything that goes through?
That one person?

585
00:34:14,300 –> 00:34:16,699
People are automatically going
to discredit it.

586
00:34:16,800 –> 00:34:21,500
So Alex Jones could talk about
some real government shit that

587
00:34:21,500 –> 00:34:24,600
is happening, but because it’s
tied to Alex Jones.

588
00:34:24,900 –> 00:34:27,600
Most people are just going to
write it off as a conspiracy

589
00:34:27,600 –> 00:34:31,600
theory that’s the easiest Way to
handle it is to just be able to

590
00:34:31,600 –> 00:34:34,600
discredit it when it hits that
circuit, but you’re going to

591
00:34:34,600 –> 00:34:39,199
need a really strong personality
to fucking pull that off.

592
00:34:39,199 –> 00:34:42,300
You can’t just like tap someone
and hope for the best.

593
00:34:42,400 –> 00:34:45,699
So, the government are could
very well have gone to Bill

594
00:34:45,699 –> 00:34:48,199
Hicks.
And been like, look, everything

595
00:34:48,199 –> 00:34:50,100
you hate about the clintons is
right?

596
00:34:50,100 –> 00:34:55,300
And we need your fucking help,
it’s not impossible, it’s very

597
00:34:55,300 –> 00:34:58,500
possible.
And I don’t know how I never

598
00:34:58,500 –> 00:35:00,700
heard.
Heard the same voice.

599
00:35:00,700 –> 00:35:02,300
Yeah, it’s not.
It’s the same.

600
00:35:02,300 –> 00:35:08,000
It’s like if Bill Hicks, did a
character, that’s what it would

601
00:35:08,000 –> 00:35:09,000
be.
Yeah.

602
00:35:09,000 –> 00:35:12,800
In fact I can Envision moments
in his stand-up where he’s doing

603
00:35:12,800 –> 00:35:16,400
a dumb American character and
it’s that.

604
00:35:16,400 –> 00:35:21,600
Yeah and just oh my God it would
make so much sense and also I’ve

605
00:35:21,600 –> 00:35:23,900
always felt weird about his
death.

606
00:35:23,900 –> 00:35:29,600
Yeah bill has and I never really
knew why and like an Unusual

607
00:35:29,600 –> 00:35:32,600
feeling that I don’t really
typically get but ever.

608
00:35:33,700 –> 00:35:38,300
So yeah, Alex Jones say this
documentary A Bunch O so much

609
00:35:38,300 –> 00:35:41,700
and like also just everything
the whole bit.

610
00:35:41,700 –> 00:35:44,100
Makes way more sense if it is
built.

611
00:35:44,600 –> 00:35:49,500
Yeah it’s kind of like honestly
Alex Jones fake name, sounding

612
00:35:49,500 –> 00:35:52,200
as fuck and like popped out of
fucking nowhere.

613
00:35:52,300 –> 00:35:57,100
And like, huh, the same location
they both come from Austin,

614
00:35:57,100 –> 00:35:58,500
Texas.
Same production.

615
00:35:59,000 –> 00:36:00,800
Knee.
And here’s the thing, I know,

616
00:36:01,000 –> 00:36:06,500
like duction cut, like and like
I know the, the really staunch

617
00:36:06,600 –> 00:36:10,600
like uptight leftist among the
audience, and I’m not saying

618
00:36:10,600 –> 00:36:12,800
that to discredit likes a shit
about life.

619
00:36:12,800 –> 00:36:15,600
Consider myself, a leftist to,
but I just know people aren’t

620
00:36:15,600 –> 00:36:18,300
going to want to hear this, but
Alex Jones is legitimately

621
00:36:18,500 –> 00:36:22,000
funny.
If a lot osomon eats, like, if

622
00:36:22,000 –> 00:36:25,200
you watch a lot of his Clips
like it would almost take a

623
00:36:25,200 –> 00:36:28,900
comedian to come up with better
Makin the frogs gay.

624
00:36:29,100 –> 00:36:33,200
Like that’s a thing.
Yeah, Alex Jones said to his

625
00:36:33,200 –> 00:36:38,300
supporters and they were like
bravo bravo they show that in

626
00:36:38,300 –> 00:36:41,200
the dog show that clip because
it’s so famous.

627
00:36:41,400 –> 00:36:47,000
And like, there is so much memes
about that.

628
00:36:47,100 –> 00:36:49,100
Yeah.
Like, if you don’t know about

629
00:36:49,100 –> 00:36:52,500
making the frogs gay, you’ve
been missing out on so much

630
00:36:52,500 –> 00:36:57,900
internet and again, think about
what that does to any other

631
00:36:57,900 –> 00:37:02,000
story that comes.
Through Alex Jones, any talk of

632
00:37:02,000 –> 00:37:05,600
government malfeasance that
comes through Alex Jones, the

633
00:37:05,600 –> 00:37:09,400
government doesn’t even need to
respond like mainstream media

634
00:37:09,400 –> 00:37:11,900
will just go.
Listen to what fucking Alex

635
00:37:11,900 –> 00:37:15,400
Jones is saying again, no matter
how true it may be.

636
00:37:15,400 –> 00:37:18,800
And that’s not me saying, Alex
Jones, speaks the truth, like

637
00:37:18,800 –> 00:37:22,500
Alex Jones talks, a lot of
bullshit, specially Sandy Hook

638
00:37:22,500 –> 00:37:25,000
and like what happened with
Sandy Hook kind of completely

639
00:37:25,000 –> 00:37:28,400
undoes my theory about Alex
Jones, being a government plant

640
00:37:28,500 –> 00:37:31,500
unless Just like went rogue.
I don’t know.

641
00:37:31,600 –> 00:37:33,400
Alex Jones is in the stock
Mentor.

642
00:37:34,200 –> 00:37:36,700
Alex Jones is a major player in
this documentary.

643
00:37:36,700 –> 00:37:41,000
I would say.
Yeah, and in Q and all of it.

644
00:37:41,100 –> 00:37:45,400
Yeah, absolutely another.
But big player in all of this,

645
00:37:45,600 –> 00:37:49,600
who is interviewed extensively
is Enrique theriot.

646
00:37:49,600 –> 00:37:52,800
Who is the leader of?
The proud boys is interviews are

647
00:37:52,800 –> 00:37:58,300
really interesting, but like not
in a, not in a good way, like in

648
00:37:58,300 –> 00:37:59,500
a haunted.
Anyway.

649
00:37:59,500 –> 00:38:05,200
Yeah, I for one was not even
sort of surprised to find out.

650
00:38:05,200 –> 00:38:08,100
He has a government informant
past.

651
00:38:08,300 –> 00:38:12,300
Yeah, not shocking.
It’s like like if you’re the

652
00:38:12,300 –> 00:38:17,400
proud boys that I can see how
they would fall for government

653
00:38:17,400 –> 00:38:21,800
infiltration of that nature
because you got a person of

654
00:38:21,800 –> 00:38:25,600
color coming forward to be like
I’ll be the face of your shit,

655
00:38:25,800 –> 00:38:28,500
no problem.
I fucking absolutely.

656
00:38:28,500 –> 00:38:31,600
I I love white people.
He kidding me and then you get

657
00:38:31,600 –> 00:38:36,700
him in there and uh, oh, he has
a past of working with the

658
00:38:36,700 –> 00:38:41,100
government like that is also not
conspiracy theory.

659
00:38:41,100 –> 00:38:45,700
Talk one of the most fascinating
aspects of the assassination of

660
00:38:45,700 –> 00:38:49,300
Malcolm X and just the
government intervention into

661
00:38:49,300 –> 00:38:54,400
Malcolm X’s whole shit, was that
one by the FBI’s own admission?

662
00:38:54,400 –> 00:38:57,700
There Were Ten FBI agents in the
room when he was assassinated

663
00:38:57,700 –> 00:38:58,800
but they were just there to
watch.

664
00:38:58,900 –> 00:39:02,900
Ouch participate.
Just just, there were just

665
00:39:03,200 –> 00:39:04,100
happenstance.
Yeah.

666
00:39:04,100 –> 00:39:06,000
Just they just had, they were
there too.

667
00:39:06,100 –> 00:39:08,100
They were fans.
They were just there to check it

668
00:39:08,100 –> 00:39:13,000
out.
Also, the number two in the

669
00:39:13,008 –> 00:39:17,700
Nation of Islam at the time,
Malcolm X was assassinated FBI

670
00:39:17,700 –> 00:39:22,800
informant, like the FBI had
people at the highest fucking

671
00:39:22,800 –> 00:39:25,200
level of the Nation of Islam at
the time.

672
00:39:25,300 –> 00:39:28,100
And they have to have only
gotten better at that since

673
00:39:28,100 –> 00:39:28,800
then.
Yeah.

674
00:39:29,200 –> 00:39:31,500
So I have it didn’t surprise me
at all.

675
00:39:31,500 –> 00:39:35,500
To hear that Enrique torrio is
probably just a fucking

676
00:39:35,500 –> 00:39:38,600
government plant and fuck you
motherfuckers.

677
00:39:38,600 –> 00:39:41,600
That’s what you deserve.
He’s at least a fucking

678
00:39:41,600 –> 00:39:43,500
consumerism plant.
Shit.

679
00:39:43,900 –> 00:39:46,000
Yeah.
He just like he sells me loves a

680
00:39:46,000 –> 00:39:48,700
t-shirt salesman who worked on
it, don’t matter.

681
00:39:49,000 –> 00:39:50,700
He’s matter what they say.
He.

682
00:39:50,800 –> 00:39:54,900
Yeah, he admits like sort of
even admits that he Pratt.

683
00:39:54,900 –> 00:39:57,400
He sells Biden merch on the
internet, too.

684
00:39:57,500 –> 00:39:58,800
Yeah, he’s like oh it’s a
different company.

685
00:39:58,900 –> 00:40:02,300
But yeah, and it’s like that’s
ethics right there.

686
00:40:02,600 –> 00:40:06,400
Nothing, very ethical, yeah,
just such a stand-up guy.

687
00:40:06,600 –> 00:40:11,100
So good for you proud, boys.
Glad you got a fucking

688
00:40:11,100 –> 00:40:13,500
government agent as your leader,
dude.

689
00:40:13,500 –> 00:40:17,200
You know what I saw the other
day, a picture of Gavin McInnes

690
00:40:17,200 –> 00:40:20,300
without Gavin, McInnes is the
original leader of the proud

691
00:40:20,300 –> 00:40:23,600
boys that step down.
He’s also the leader of Vice.

692
00:40:23,600 –> 00:40:26,000
Yeah.
Or the, the creator of Vice,

693
00:40:26,000 –> 00:40:32,100
which is Disturbed.
Um, And I guess he like

694
00:40:32,100 –> 00:40:34,900
literally doesn’t have a chin.
Oh really.

695
00:40:34,900 –> 00:40:38,800
Is that when he’s got that giant
beer, I hate but like it is like

696
00:40:38,800 –> 00:40:41,500
just because of what the proud
boys is like, you kind of

697
00:40:41,500 –> 00:40:44,300
Imagine them to be like Chad’s
and like shin boys.

698
00:40:44,800 –> 00:40:50,500
And there’s a picture of him
with no beard and he looks like

699
00:40:50,500 –> 00:40:52,800
a fucking Bob’s Burgers
character.

700
00:40:53,300 –> 00:40:55,300
I don’t like that.
I don’t want to see that kind of

701
00:40:55,300 –> 00:40:58,100
like it is just straight mouth
to net.

702
00:40:59,900 –> 00:41:02,500
Gross.
I mean, I wouldn’t normally sit

703
00:41:02,500 –> 00:41:06,100
on people’s looks but this is
just some Next Level shit.

704
00:41:06,100 –> 00:41:07,800
Yeah, I mean, fuck that guy.
So look it up.

705
00:41:07,800 –> 00:41:12,000
Anyway.
So can we talk about the

706
00:41:12,000 –> 00:41:14,900
scariest person in this
documentary?

707
00:41:16,200 –> 00:41:20,000
I think we can agree.
That would be that Spencer kid,

708
00:41:21,200 –> 00:41:25,900
holy shit.
Oh my God, they spend a lot

709
00:41:25,900 –> 00:41:29,100
little guy.
A lot of time talking to this

710
00:41:29,100 –> 00:41:38,600
family and they are just like a
family of q&i non-believers like

711
00:41:38,600 –> 00:41:43,100
hardcore Believers.
And you can tell these parents,

712
00:41:43,200 –> 00:41:47,600
their home school in these kids.
And you can tell there is like q

713
00:41:47,600 –> 00:41:51,900
and on lessons in their home
schooling because yes this kid

714
00:41:51,900 –> 00:41:55,900
can spout off.
All the fucking Q&A on tropes

715
00:41:55,900 –> 00:42:00,000
that you want to hear all the
stuff about cabals and

716
00:42:00,000 –> 00:42:05,200
pedophiles and Joe, Biden.
Eating children and all like

717
00:42:05,200 –> 00:42:10,700
this kid just can spitting from
memory and it is Yeah, he Harris

718
00:42:10,700 –> 00:42:15,500
on to it and we find out that
it’s not just that these kids

719
00:42:15,500 –> 00:42:20,100
are home schooled but their
parents took them out of school

720
00:42:20,200 –> 00:42:24,600
because of like a combination of
covid in queuing on they don’t.

721
00:42:24,600 –> 00:42:27,600
Yes, they don’t want their kid,
they were not teaching enough q

722
00:42:27,600 –> 00:42:31,700
and on in schools, pretty much.
Yeah, they they feel like their

723
00:42:31,700 –> 00:42:34,600
kids are being like groomed or
whatever the fuck he went on

724
00:42:34,600 –> 00:42:37,500
supporters are saying these days
and that they didn’t want them

725
00:42:37,500 –> 00:42:41,200
to have to wear masks.
So they Hold their kids out

726
00:42:41,200 –> 00:42:44,100
start homeschooling them and it
is clear that they are just

727
00:42:44,100 –> 00:42:47,900
teaching them Q drops.
It is fucking nuts and they show

728
00:42:47,900 –> 00:42:53,900
the dad like going through the Q
website of Q Forum, whatever the

729
00:42:53,900 –> 00:42:56,600
fuck and he’s like.
Yeah you got to use a cue code

730
00:42:56,600 –> 00:43:00,800
because they speak in code and
like, Mike ha.

731
00:43:00,800 –> 00:43:02,700
Yeah.
I like the part where Andrew

732
00:43:02,700 –> 00:43:06,400
Callahan points out that they
misspelled the word sacrifice.

733
00:43:06,600 –> 00:43:08,800
And he goes, is that part of it?
Is that a clue?

734
00:43:08,800 –> 00:43:10,400
The guy goes yet.
Definitely.

735
00:43:10,400 –> 00:43:14,900
It’s like on man.
I did hear someone in this

736
00:43:14,900 –> 00:43:19,400
documentary compare Q&A, on to
Nigerian email scams and that

737
00:43:19,400 –> 00:43:23,400
it’s a basic comparison but it
is shockingly accurate.

738
00:43:23,500 –> 00:43:27,100
I would what are that?
What are that Nigerian email?

739
00:43:27,100 –> 00:43:31,200
Scams are a thing?
I don’t know that they happen

740
00:43:31,200 –> 00:43:34,300
only in Nigeria and I don’t know
how huge they still are.

741
00:43:34,300 –> 00:43:38,900
But basically people would send
out like hundreds thousands of

742
00:43:38,900 –> 00:43:45,400
emails Day claiming like I’m a
member of the royal family and

743
00:43:45,400 –> 00:43:49,600
I’m trapped in this country.
And if you can help me get this

744
00:43:49,600 –> 00:43:51,800
money out of the country, I’ll
share it.

745
00:43:51,800 –> 00:43:58,000
And it’s a total numbers game
where most people are.

746
00:43:58,000 –> 00:44:00,100
Like that emails, not even going
to get to them.

747
00:44:00,107 –> 00:44:03,700
It’s just going to go to their
spam filter, but it only takes

748
00:44:03,700 –> 00:44:07,500
like one or two people to fall
for it, and that’s how it

749
00:44:07,500 –> 00:44:09,500
becomes this huge industry that
it is.

750
00:44:09,600 –> 00:44:12,100
Is and Q and ons, kind of the
same thing.

751
00:44:12,100 –> 00:44:15,200
Like, most people who see this
stuff are going to be like, a

752
00:44:15,200 –> 00:44:17,700
misspelled fucking sacrifice.
What is this?

753
00:44:18,400 –> 00:44:20,000
Yeah.
But then you’re going to get

754
00:44:20,100 –> 00:44:24,500
people like this who internalize
it and it down to their fucking

755
00:44:24,500 –> 00:44:28,500
kids and it’s just a numbers
game like q and on is still

756
00:44:28,700 –> 00:44:32,500
Fringe group but there’s a lot
of them like there’s as many of

757
00:44:32,500 –> 00:44:35,700
them as there were like
Seventh-Day Adventists at this

758
00:44:35,700 –> 00:44:39,300
point in that groups.
That’s really crazy element that

759
00:44:39,300 –> 00:44:41,700
group.
Is definitely managed to take a

760
00:44:41,707 –> 00:44:44,800
foothold in the United States.
So do you think that like,

761
00:44:44,800 –> 00:44:47,900
puzzles are a good way to create
a following?

762
00:44:48,300 –> 00:44:52,100
Maybe like, maybe I ought to
start making more puzzles.

763
00:44:52,300 –> 00:44:55,800
Yeah, we need to start like keep
it going to come up with a nun

764
00:44:55,800 –> 00:44:57,900
pops code.
Yeah, we should keep doing

765
00:44:57,900 –> 00:45:02,300
podcast but we should just like
put them on USB drives and leave

766
00:45:02,300 –> 00:45:05,400
them in random locations and
give people Clues as to where

767
00:45:05,400 –> 00:45:07,200
they can find them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

768
00:45:07,200 –> 00:45:09,100
You can only get this month’s
episode.

769
00:45:09,100 –> 00:45:12,900
If you If you follow the fucking
breadcrumb Trail to Grandma’s

770
00:45:12,900 –> 00:45:16,000
house in the forest, we have to
do that with at least one

771
00:45:16,000 –> 00:45:19,200
episode.
We sure do and then people find

772
00:45:19,200 –> 00:45:21,700
it and it’s just it like the
Hooters in Long Beach or

773
00:45:21,700 –> 00:45:25,400
something.
That would be amazing.

774
00:45:25,600 –> 00:45:27,500
Oh my God.
The last time I did anything

775
00:45:27,500 –> 00:45:32,200
like that was when like people
ask each other to prom they’re

776
00:45:32,200 –> 00:45:37,700
like it’s a scavenger hunt that
would be so disappointing if you

777
00:45:37,700 –> 00:45:39,600
did that and it was a no at the
end.

778
00:45:40,400 –> 00:45:45,200
Oh fuck.
They also interview for Giotto.

779
00:45:45,200 –> 00:45:48,600
Blow in this.
He is the Maga rapper.

780
00:45:48,700 –> 00:45:52,200
He is such a fucking con artist
like even says I wasn’t a

781
00:45:52,207 –> 00:45:56,400
republic until 2016 and it’s
like, oh yeah, homies just plain

782
00:45:56,400 –> 00:45:57,500
capitalism.
Yeah.

783
00:45:57,700 –> 00:46:01,100
And he’s not a good rapper, he’s
not a good rapper and don’t play

784
00:46:01,100 –> 00:46:05,700
capitalism that way fuck face
like, no, you are.

785
00:46:05,800 –> 00:46:08,700
Don’t go to the evil side.
You motherfucker, you are

786
00:46:08,700 –> 00:46:10,900
stealing again.
Is all evil but from the

787
00:46:10,900 –> 00:46:14,500
community that capitalism hurts
the worst like, yeah.

788
00:46:14,500 –> 00:46:17,900
Fucking I hope you break your
fucking ankle this weekend.

789
00:46:18,000 –> 00:46:22,100
Damn fucking get them ankle
down.

790
00:46:22,300 –> 00:46:27,000
I did find there was footage of
this December 12 rally that

791
00:46:27,000 –> 00:46:29,500
turned into a riot in Washington
DC.

792
00:46:29,700 –> 00:46:35,500
And I thought that was a really
interesting piece of the January

793
00:46:35,500 –> 00:46:39,500
6th puzzle, because the proud
boys used to be vehement lie.

794
00:46:39,800 –> 00:46:44,000
Pro police.
And then this rally happens on

795
00:46:44,000 –> 00:46:50,100
December 12 in DC and the police
break it up, and kind of like

796
00:46:50,100 –> 00:46:52,900
tear gas, the proud boys, and
like use force.

797
00:46:53,500 –> 00:46:58,300
And that’s when they start like,
moving away from being Prokop.

798
00:46:58,300 –> 00:47:01,500
Like there’s one of them that is
talking to a cop and literally

799
00:47:01,500 –> 00:47:06,300
says we’re on your side but that
doesn’t have to last forever and

800
00:47:06,300 –> 00:47:09,200
yes that moment is so crazy to
be on camera.

801
00:47:09,200 –> 00:47:11,500
Yeah.
Yeah, and then you see that on

802
00:47:11,500 –> 00:47:16,000
January 6th, where I think a lot
of people’s question about that

803
00:47:16,000 –> 00:47:19,600
incident was, well, aren’t you
supposed to be like blue lives

804
00:47:19,600 –> 00:47:21,900
matter?
I’ll like Pro cops and it’s

805
00:47:21,900 –> 00:47:24,600
like, no, that ship has sailed.
Now, they’re just like Pro,

806
00:47:24,600 –> 00:47:28,200
whatever cops are on their side
and then everyone else can get

807
00:47:28,200 –> 00:47:30,900
fucked.
And I don’t know what to think

808
00:47:30,900 –> 00:47:33,000
about that.
Because, you know, I also don’t

809
00:47:33,000 –> 00:47:36,700
love the cops, but I feel like
we dislike the cops for very

810
00:47:36,700 –> 00:47:39,600
different reasons.
Well, yeah, they just like cops.

811
00:47:39,700 –> 00:47:42,400
It’s because cops weren’t going
to bat for them.

812
00:47:42,500 –> 00:47:45,900
Right?
And we just like cops because

813
00:47:45,900 –> 00:47:49,000
cops.
Fuck up, everyone’s life.

814
00:47:49,500 –> 00:47:52,600
Yes.
And so, I mean, it’s similar

815
00:47:52,600 –> 00:47:55,900
reasons on a broad scheme but
they don’t have the perspective

816
00:47:55,900 –> 00:47:57,900
to understand that when it’s not
about them.

817
00:47:57,900 –> 00:47:59,900
Cops are still behaving like
assholes.

818
00:48:00,100 –> 00:48:06,000
I think my favorite moment in
this is when that kid is sad at

819
00:48:06,000 –> 00:48:09,900
the end.
Yes, the whole movie is worth

820
00:48:09,900 –> 00:48:11,500
that.
Yeah, the part where the whole

821
00:48:11,500 –> 00:48:16,300
family is just distraught
because all the things Q told

822
00:48:16,300 –> 00:48:18,900
them was going to happen to keep
Trump in office.

823
00:48:19,400 –> 00:48:23,300
None of it fucking happened and
I hate to say it, but the kid

824
00:48:23,300 –> 00:48:25,400
sounds like the smartest one in
the family.

825
00:48:25,400 –> 00:48:27,900
And I think that so he’s
definitely the smartest one.

826
00:48:28,100 –> 00:48:31,400
That’s why he does the most
talking and he’s really kind of

827
00:48:31,400 –> 00:48:37,000
eloquent in explaining why he’s
so disappointed in Hugh.

828
00:48:37,200 –> 00:48:42,100
You so eloquent?
He really is just like well, it

829
00:48:42,100 –> 00:48:45,500
was all a lie.
So I’m disappointed.

830
00:48:45,500 –> 00:48:47,800
Yeah.
And it’s like good, like I’m

831
00:48:47,800 –> 00:48:51,700
glad your family is sad In This
Moment like your parents need to

832
00:48:51,700 –> 00:48:53,900
drink should feel betrayed.
Yeah.

833
00:48:54,000 –> 00:48:57,700
And your parents need to feel
like they have betrayed you as a

834
00:48:57,700 –> 00:48:59,300
child like.
Yes.

835
00:48:59,300 –> 00:49:02,800
Because they did bad.
They taught you some bullshit

836
00:49:02,800 –> 00:49:08,000
and made it the entire Center of
your family’s life for At least

837
00:49:08,000 –> 00:49:10,100
a year y’all.
We’re outside in the street with

838
00:49:10,100 –> 00:49:11,700
no cars.
Waving flags.

839
00:49:11,800 –> 00:49:14,200
Yeah, that was there’s like
almost no one in the

840
00:49:14,207 –> 00:49:17,400
neighborhood and there’s no it
imagine being there neighbor.

841
00:49:17,800 –> 00:49:19,800
Oh man.
That would be I would cry every

842
00:49:19,800 –> 00:49:21,800
day.
Yeah, that would be bad times.

843
00:49:21,800 –> 00:49:25,900
If you like oh, fuck not again.
That the flags I gotta kidnap

844
00:49:25,900 –> 00:49:31,800
these children and so then the
last like, big aha, gotcha

845
00:49:31,800 –> 00:49:35,900
moment in this documentary.
We go back to Dave todeschini.

846
00:49:36,000 –> 00:49:39,400
And now he and and Ooh, Callahan
are for one thing.

847
00:49:39,400 –> 00:49:42,500
They’re eating at a Culver’s,
which made me very lonely for a

848
00:49:42,500 –> 00:49:46,200
Culver’s Butter Burger.
One of the only fast food

849
00:49:46,200 –> 00:49:48,700
Outlets that will sell you a
pork tenderloin sandwich.

850
00:49:48,800 –> 00:49:51,100
Unlike these other kids who
fucking cowards?

851
00:49:51,100 –> 00:49:55,400
Now, they’re delicious.
I bet not okay, fry, it’s just

852
00:49:55,400 –> 00:49:59,100
like a chicken sandwich but it’s
like, a really pork thin piece

853
00:49:59,100 –> 00:50:01,200
of pork instead of chicken.
It’s really good.

854
00:50:01,200 –> 00:50:03,300
I’ve been to Culver’s.
It’s fine.

855
00:50:03,400 –> 00:50:07,000
I love a Culver’s but that’s not
what’s important about this.

856
00:50:07,200 –> 00:50:12,700
Seen what’s important is Andrew
is run and Dave, through this

857
00:50:12,700 –> 00:50:16,400
list of prominent liberals and
Democrats, he’s holding up

858
00:50:16,400 –> 00:50:20,100
pictures and every time, like,
it’s one time, it’ll be Oprah

859
00:50:20,100 –> 00:50:23,900
and Dave’s like pedophile, Joe
Biden pedophile.

860
00:50:23,900 –> 00:50:26,900
I don’t even remember, there’s
one picture he holds up and I’m

861
00:50:26,900 –> 00:50:28,900
like, there’s no way.
Oh, it’s Jonah Hill.

862
00:50:29,000 –> 00:50:31,200
And I remember being like,
there’s no way Dave knows who

863
00:50:31,200 –> 00:50:34,800
that is and Dave, like hesitates
and goes pedophile.

864
00:50:34,800 –> 00:50:37,000
Like, you don’t even know who
that.

865
00:50:37,100 –> 00:50:44,600
That was.
And then Andrew points out that

866
00:50:44,700 –> 00:50:48,900
Dave had been arrested a few
years prior, and charged, and

867
00:50:48,900 –> 00:50:54,400
convicted with child pedophile.
A station and not just child

868
00:50:54,400 –> 00:51:00,900
molestation, sodomy like he
raped a child and of course,

869
00:51:00,900 –> 00:51:03,300
he’s like, well, I did what
Michael Flynn did.

870
00:51:03,300 –> 00:51:05,600
I plead guilty?
Because I had no choice, the

871
00:51:05,600 –> 00:51:09,300
state was after me and it’s
like, shut the fuck up, dude.

872
00:51:09,700 –> 00:51:12,000
Andrews, like are you familiar
with projecting?

873
00:51:12,400 –> 00:51:13,800
Do you think you might be
projecting?

874
00:51:13,800 –> 00:51:18,500
He’s like, no, no, I’m going to
take this whole system down and

875
00:51:18,500 –> 00:51:20,200
it’s like, shut up you sex
creep?

876
00:51:20,300 –> 00:51:24,100
Fuck, it’s pretty creepy.
It’s so fucking disturbed

877
00:51:24,100 –> 00:51:28,300
because like, I’m sure a lot of
these people who feel like this

878
00:51:28,300 –> 00:51:30,900
and scream about this stuff,
it’s the same shit.

879
00:51:31,000 –> 00:51:35,600
And so, it’s really scary to
think about that perspective

880
00:51:35,600 –> 00:51:38,700
when you really zoom out.
Yeah, because you know, if

881
00:51:38,700 –> 00:51:41,900
you’re looking that That hard.
What are you looking for?

882
00:51:42,000 –> 00:51:43,900
Right.
That’s the thing.

883
00:51:43,900 –> 00:51:46,100
And that is the thing that it’s
like.

884
00:51:46,500 –> 00:51:49,100
So what’s up with Andrew?
Yeah.

885
00:51:49,700 –> 00:51:51,900
So then what are you looking for
buddy?

886
00:51:51,900 –> 00:51:57,700
Then Andrew, he got to enjoy
this for a day or two like 48

887
00:51:57,700 –> 00:52:03,400
hours and then allegations about
Andrew Callahan came out and

888
00:52:03,400 –> 00:52:06,800
they’re not good.
No, it’s more than one woman

889
00:52:06,800 –> 00:52:10,100
like two or three women.
I don’t know exactly how Many

890
00:52:10,100 –> 00:52:16,200
and it’s just kind of like sex
pest, coercion behavior, that is

891
00:52:16,200 –> 00:52:19,600
not good.
He did an apology video, he has,

892
00:52:19,600 –> 00:52:25,300
since been in a psych ward done.
An apology video and I almost

893
00:52:25,300 –> 00:52:28,900
like the apology.
There is one part where he says

894
00:52:29,300 –> 00:52:33,600
that he never did anything that
someone said no to.

895
00:52:33,600 –> 00:52:37,200
And I’m like, that is exactly
what they said you did.

896
00:52:37,700 –> 00:52:41,200
Like so.
Don’t fucking do that.

897
00:52:41,200 –> 00:52:43,700
You could have literally had a
perfect apology.

898
00:52:43,700 –> 00:52:47,000
If you had just taken fucking
responsibility for every single

899
00:52:47,000 –> 00:52:49,900
one of your actions and said I’m
working to do better.

900
00:52:50,100 –> 00:52:53,300
Maybe a lot of the stuff that I
was doing was to try to fill a

901
00:52:53,300 –> 00:52:56,800
void in my soul, that I’m going
to try to fill otherwise right

902
00:52:56,800 –> 00:53:00,500
now and take a break from being
in the social sphere of things,

903
00:53:00,600 –> 00:53:04,200
just take responsibility for
your actions, donate money, to

904
00:53:04,200 –> 00:53:07,400
fucking something.
Like two of the victims, I don’t

905
00:53:07,400 –> 00:53:11,600
even know do something.
There’s no actionable change

906
00:53:11,600 –> 00:53:14,400
ever with any of these apologies
and I just feel like that’s a

907
00:53:14,408 –> 00:53:18,100
huge part that’s missing and
like we were all rooting for

908
00:53:18,100 –> 00:53:21,000
Andrew.
You know, it’s like very rare

909
00:53:21,000 –> 00:53:24,000
that somebody just like fucking
puts their foot to the ground,

910
00:53:24,000 –> 00:53:27,600
running with something.
And then you have an HBO movie

911
00:53:27,800 –> 00:53:31,900
like that is very rare and we
were all stoked that somebody

912
00:53:31,900 –> 00:53:36,800
could like reveal people to be
all kinds of crazy with no

913
00:53:36,800 –> 00:53:39,500
actual fucking forced opinion on
anything.

914
00:53:39,600 –> 00:53:42,900
Thing you kind of are left to
your own decisions with it and

915
00:53:42,900 –> 00:53:45,800
that is rare as well.
Like there was so many things

916
00:53:46,000 –> 00:53:47,900
that I was rooting for Andrew
about.

917
00:53:47,900 –> 00:53:51,600
He was on CNN being like fuck
CNN.

918
00:53:51,700 –> 00:53:55,100
Yeah.
And no one has ever really done

919
00:53:55,100 –> 00:53:57,300
that.
I posted on my story about it

920
00:53:57,300 –> 00:54:00,400
the week before, the movie came
out being like good job, daddy.

921
00:54:00,400 –> 00:54:02,500
Whatever the fuck, you know me
online.

922
00:54:02,600 –> 00:54:06,400
Yeah.
And then he saw it and then the

923
00:54:06,400 –> 00:54:08,900
next day I saw him on the street
and I was like, hey, I think I

924
00:54:08,908 –> 00:54:12,700
called you You got my story last
night and he was like, he was

925
00:54:12,700 –> 00:54:15,200
like in what context?
And I was like oh you were just

926
00:54:15,200 –> 00:54:18,400
shitting on CNN, while being on
CNN and I thought that was dope

927
00:54:18,600 –> 00:54:21,500
and he was like, thanks and like
fist bumped me and we were like

928
00:54:21,500 –> 00:54:23,800
have a good day.
Keep doing the work you’re doing

929
00:54:23,800 –> 00:54:27,500
both of us like yay and it just
like was a very normal

930
00:54:27,500 –> 00:54:33,300
interaction and that’s the real
thing is that you shouldn’t

931
00:54:33,400 –> 00:54:37,600
trust anyone to not make
mistakes like that.

932
00:54:37,600 –> 00:54:42,100
I feel is the vibe.
Because, you know, you’re just

933
00:54:42,100 –> 00:54:44,000
going to be perpetually
disappointed.

934
00:54:44,000 –> 00:54:49,300
And the thing about mistakes is
that just because you don’t

935
00:54:49,300 –> 00:54:52,700
think you made any doesn’t mean
you didn’t write.

936
00:54:52,700 –> 00:54:55,100
Like, and I think that’s the
issue with a lot of.

937
00:54:55,100 –> 00:54:58,200
This is like, I don’t think that
Andrew actually thinks he did

938
00:54:58,200 –> 00:55:02,500
anything wrong and I still don’t
and yeah, that’s that’s a

939
00:55:02,500 –> 00:55:05,200
problem.
I mean it’s a problem for him,

940
00:55:05,200 –> 00:55:08,800
especially in that what he’s
accused of, like, not to

941
00:55:08,800 –> 00:55:11,800
minimize.
It obviously, but he could come

942
00:55:11,800 –> 00:55:14,800
back from it.
Like he’s not, he could Danny

943
00:55:14,800 –> 00:55:18,300
Masterson.
He didn’t like forcibly grape.

944
00:55:18,300 –> 00:55:22,200
Someone like Danny Masterson
should be in fucking prison.

945
00:55:22,200 –> 00:55:27,400
Like Andrea Callahan obviously
did bad in needs to work on

946
00:55:27,400 –> 00:55:28,500
himself.
But yeah.

947
00:55:28,500 –> 00:55:31,800
Just like be honest about it and
fucking do the work and it’ll

948
00:55:31,800 –> 00:55:34,800
and your Callahan should have
every girl on a livestream who

949
00:55:34,800 –> 00:55:36,700
fucking accused him of
something.

950
00:55:36,700 –> 00:55:40,000
If they’re willing to, and they
should all fundraise for For

951
00:55:40,000 –> 00:55:43,300
damages done to everyone
involved and like some fucking

952
00:55:43,300 –> 00:55:46,600
women’s charity or something and
just have hard conversations and

953
00:55:46,600 –> 00:55:49,000
see if anybody’s down.
That’s what needs to fucking

954
00:55:49,000 –> 00:55:51,700
happen at some point.
Is people who are victims and

955
00:55:51,700 –> 00:55:54,200
the person who did something
need to have a live conversation

956
00:55:54,400 –> 00:55:57,400
and show what that looks like to
try to grow and be better and

957
00:55:57,400 –> 00:55:59,400
learn.
And no one is willing to do that

958
00:55:59,400 –> 00:56:03,300
and I understand that.
But when are we going to grow

959
00:56:03,300 –> 00:56:07,500
from this era?
Yeah I don’t see anything

960
00:56:07,500 –> 00:56:11,800
besides separation of Sides and
people thinking they didn’t do

961
00:56:11,800 –> 00:56:15,700
anything wrong and no
forgiveness and like not that

962
00:56:15,700 –> 00:56:18,800
anyone who did anything wrong
needs to be forgiven.

963
00:56:19,200 –> 00:56:21,800
But what an exercise it could be
to try.

964
00:56:22,100 –> 00:56:24,500
That’s all especially the girls
that already put themselves

965
00:56:24,500 –> 00:56:25,900
forward.
Let’s have some hard

966
00:56:25,900 –> 00:56:27,900
conversations.
I’m not asking them to do

967
00:56:27,900 –> 00:56:30,200
anything their victims, they can
do whatever they want.

968
00:56:30,700 –> 00:56:33,500
Maybe I need to fucking reach
out to somebody who fucked me up

969
00:56:33,500 –> 00:56:35,300
and we can start a podcast.
I don’t know.

970
00:56:37,100 –> 00:56:39,700
Maybe know, I don’t know.
I just seems like these

971
00:56:39,700 –> 00:56:42,600
conversations need to be had not
amongst just men, like, good

972
00:56:42,600 –> 00:56:44,000
job.
Andrew for confronting this.

973
00:56:44,000 –> 00:56:46,400
Dave guy, don’t think this Dave
guy thinks he did anything wrong

974
00:56:46,400 –> 00:56:48,000
either.
No, no.

975
00:56:48,000 –> 00:56:49,900
But and I don’t think he will.
Yeah.

976
00:56:49,900 –> 00:56:53,200
And same with Alex Jones.
I think Dave is mentally ill

977
00:56:53,200 –> 00:56:55,100
though.
And, yeah, I think we’re all

978
00:56:55,100 –> 00:56:58,100
fucking mentally ill.
Yeah, maybe not to the extent

979
00:56:58,100 –> 00:57:04,000
Davis but yeah, yeah, Dave needs
serious help and Supervision in

980
00:57:04,100 –> 00:57:06,500
several ways like States.
Yes.

981
00:57:06,700 –> 00:57:10,000
Yeah, yes.
So yeah I don’t know it’s it’s a

982
00:57:10,000 –> 00:57:12,600
good documentary.
I think it’s important.

983
00:57:12,600 –> 00:57:17,200
The allegations against Andrew
Callahan are also obviously very

984
00:57:17,200 –> 00:57:23,200
important and very bad and I
don’t know like at the same time

985
00:57:23,300 –> 00:57:27,800
I didn’t learn a lot from this
documentary, like it did feel a

986
00:57:27,808 –> 00:57:29,200
lot.
It was a lot of stuff, I already

987
00:57:29,200 –> 00:57:33,300
knew and it was a lot of the
depths of how bad things are.

988
00:57:33,300 –> 00:57:37,700
Yeah, yeah it, yeah.
It felt a lot like, Gas on a

989
00:57:37,707 –> 00:57:41,400
fire that’s already burning
bright enough that we can see it

990
00:57:41,500 –> 00:57:43,200
like this.
Like I think there was probably

991
00:57:43,200 –> 00:57:45,500
footage from the Insurrection
that they wanted to show that we

992
00:57:45,500 –> 00:57:49,100
couldn’t see ya that I would
have been interested to see but

993
00:57:49,100 –> 00:57:53,000
that’s kind of like the vibe of
what they were putting out and I

994
00:57:53,008 –> 00:57:55,100
was like, we never really saw
any of that.

995
00:57:55,100 –> 00:57:58,800
Yeah, he does.
He spends most of the claims to

996
00:57:58,800 –> 00:58:03,600
have spent most of the capital
Insurrection in his RV with

997
00:58:03,600 –> 00:58:07,100
covid.
So, and also like We said, we

998
00:58:07,100 –> 00:58:10,900
all thought that this was like
coming to some sort of head to a

999
00:58:10,900 –> 00:58:16,700
larger war or something, but
really, it was just one day that

1000
00:58:16,700 –> 00:58:19,700
we all lost our minds.
And then what?

1001
00:58:19,700 –> 00:58:23,400
Yeah, I think the question is,
what snatch us all fizzled?

1002
00:58:23,400 –> 00:58:27,200
Like I don’t wet, like, did
everyone just get disillusioned

1003
00:58:27,200 –> 00:58:30,500
when nothing that they believed
in happened?

1004
00:58:30,800 –> 00:58:35,100
I don’t think so.
Yeah, yeah, knows now, who

1005
00:58:35,100 –> 00:58:36,600
knows?
I guess we will.

1006
00:58:36,700 –> 00:58:39,700
See, maybe me and you will have
to do the next documentary like

1007
00:58:39,700 –> 00:58:41,800
this.
Yeah, we’ll have to start it

1008
00:58:41,800 –> 00:58:43,700
with our fight.
Yeah, yeah.

1009
00:58:43,707 –> 00:58:45,900
Oh, I forgot about that.
Yeah, we are going to beat the

1010
00:58:45,900 –> 00:58:49,500
shit out of each other for
charity.

1011
00:58:50,300 –> 00:58:52,600
So I think that’s our episode,
right?

1012
00:58:52,700 –> 00:58:54,200
Yeah, definitely.
We did it.

1013
00:58:54,200 –> 00:58:55,500
We did it.
Jen.

1014
00:58:55,500 –> 00:58:59,200
Thank you so much for guesting
on the Pod.

1015
00:58:59,200 –> 00:59:01,900
Do you have anything to plug
before we get out of here?

1016
00:59:01,900 –> 00:59:06,100
Oh, I mean just follow And
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1017
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1019
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1020
00:59:13,900 –> 00:59:16,100
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Friday’s every Friday.

1021
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Starting at 9 a.m. we, listen to
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1022
00:59:19,700 –> 00:59:22,000
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1023
00:59:22,000 –> 00:59:24,400
Just listen to music with me
instead, right?

1024
00:59:24,400 –> 00:59:26,400
That’s what I was going to say.
Yeah.

1025
00:59:26,700 –> 00:59:30,900
Um, oh, and SNL February 12.
Atoms have brown dotsub

1026
00:59:30,900 –> 00:59:33,700
stack.com.
You can pay me to write.

1027
00:59:33,800 –> 00:59:36,100
I’ll be back at it more in
February.

1028
00:59:36,600 –> 00:59:39,500
And that’s all I got.
Should get the fuck out of here.

1029
00:59:39,500 –> 00:59:42,800
Jen say goodbye.
Goodbye.

1030
00:59:42,900 –> 00:59:44,100
Goodbye everybody.
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1031
00:59:44,200 –> 00:59:52,000
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