Adam and Olivia look into the recent political unrest in Brazil and the disturbing parallels to what’s happening in the United States right now.
Show notes: https://unpops.co/3xiFQYh
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Welcome to conspiracy the show.
The world’s most trusted
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conspiracy theory podcast with
your host, Adam Todd Brown and
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Olivia haydar Hey everybody,
Welcome to conspiracy to show.
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I’m Adam top brown.
Who are you?
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I’m Olivia hide.
Our that makes us your hosts,
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Olivia.
How’s it going?
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It’s going well, what have you
been doing since we recorded
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last?
Oh you know, I got some water.
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I took pictures of the pretty
new studio.
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It’s nice in here.
I love it.
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I like it a lot and that’s about
it.
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Cool.
Yeah, I don’t have much else
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either.
So this is a free episode.
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Yeah, talking about the recent
attacks on the Brazilian
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Congress.
This is going to be a
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two-parter, technically a
three-parter, because if you’re
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not a subscriber, then you
probably missed last week’s
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bonus episode.
That was about a documentary
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called the edge of democracy.
Mmm, which Talks about the
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presidency of Luiz inacio, Lula
da, Silva, and Dilma, Rousseff.
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Yes, one of those presidencies
ended in impeachment Thelma and
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one of them somehow ended with
an 87 percent approval rating
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and a lengthy prison sentences.
Yeah, one of those and the
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twists and turns it took to get
there are the subject of that
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documentary for one thing.
Yeah, and they are also wild as
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shit and I definitely recommend
any American who maybe is not an
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expert in Brazilian politics to
watch it.
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It’s not perfect by any means.
Few political documentaries are
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right, but I think it’ll give
you a much stronger.
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Understanding of the attitudes
and policies and the political
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climate that led to the current
crisis.
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And if you’ve been following
Brazilian politics at all
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recently, it’s probably because
of jair Bowl scenario, right?
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And the edge of democracy is
essentially about the political
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maneuverings that yes, clear the
way for jair ball scenario to
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take power in Brazil.
It’s really thin nose in the
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first Avengers movie, where like
he comes in at the end and you
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realize I go, he’s probably
gonna be like a huge problem
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later on.
But in this story he’s a minor
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figure.
Yeah, it’s really interesting in
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that way.
Yeah because by the time the
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documentary was made and
released, we already knew shy or
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ball.
Sinara was a problem, right?
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But the events that it covers
both scenario was just really
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starting to make his way in
Brazil like he’d been around
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forever but right.
It was the point where he
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started really talking about.
I’m going to be president.
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Yes, he was becoming a
figurehead right and You haven’t
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seen the documentary.
I would highly recommend it.
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I recommend it not just for the
inside, it will give you into
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what we’re talking about the
next couple weeks, which is the
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Brazilian Congress attacks.
But just so you can see all of
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the harrowing and frightening,
parallels to United States
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politics.
Yeah, that are at play in Brazil
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and have been for years.
Yeah, years and years and years,
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it’s very depressing.
So it’s a very sad thing to
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watch now.
Yeah, in the current ERA and
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just in the name of providing a
quick catch-up for people who
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haven’t watched that documentary
yet.
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Lula again, Luiz inacio.
Lula, da Silva, just bragging
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now?
Yeah, well, this time it’s in
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the notes.
That’s why it came out so much
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faster.
He was President of Brazil from
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2003 to 2011 mmm and he oversaw
the largest economy in Latin
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America well in that time and it
became The largest economy in
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Latin America because of
policies that he enacted, which
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is important to point out his
time in office also coincided
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with a vast reduction in
poverty.
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Hmm.
Which is a thing, the United
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States does not like know you
don’t like when our Latin
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American country, start feeding
people.
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Well, we don’t like when anybody
is feeding people.
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That’s not our favorite leg
true.
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Especially I mean, Latin
Americans American and American
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America United States Americans,
his successor Dilma Rousseff.
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Took his reforms, even further
and promised to clean up
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corruption in the Brazilian
government.
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Yeah.
And that ended up being her
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undoing.
Yeah.
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The country’s right-wing
politicians just kind of banded
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together to refocus those
corruption investigations on
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Lula and Rusev and Rusev ends up
getting impeached, Lula ends up,
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going to prison.
And if you did listen to that
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episode, Sewed and watch the
documentary and have not looked
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into it at all since then, or
didn’t make it to the end of
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last week’s episode.
Where we already said this, Lula
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is out of prison now.
Yes, he was released in 2019 and
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his convictions were thrown out
in 2021 which is great.
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The last Parts really great
because that is what cleared,
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the way for him to run for
president.
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Again, if he wanted to and he
did want to do he in fact, did
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want to do that.
Good.
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Good witch.
Shocking.
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He’s not back in prison.
Yeah, I can’t believe they
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didn’t just like re-arrest
rights.
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It’s like we were waiting.
Wait no.
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No.
No.
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We didn’t think that was gonna
happen.
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I thought you just be happy to
be out of prison Jesus and so,
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Lula one, yes barely Yeah by a
hair Fifty Point, nine percent
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of the vote versus bull.
Scenarios forty, nine point one
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percent of the vote just over
1%.
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Sent a result.
I don’t remember since I did
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these notes, but I’m sure both
scenarios going to take that in
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stride.
Oh, sure.
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Immediately concede Victory.
I just like Trump did.
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Right, right?
Who.
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He’s obviously a fan of very big
fan and I bet Trump is a big
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fan.
I’m sure bull scenario.
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If he’s said nice things about
Trump and Trump is a big fan.
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I feel like if Trump looks in
the mirror, I feel like he sees
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Jai your bowls.
Sure.
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It’s his idealized.
Digital self image.
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Yeah.
Like in The Matrix.
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That’s what his Nintendo Avatar.
Looks like it’s like bowls
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inara.
Yeah, that’s what he thinks.
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His tan looks like, yeah, yeah,
Ike’s.
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So he did not concede Victory
immediate.
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Oh wait, no way.
I thought we were just talking
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about.
We did.
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I was sure he was gonna, but no
instead.
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What ball scenario did is just
kind of where Into hiding for a
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couple days after he lost like
he didn’t say, yes, I lost.
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He didn’t say, no, I won.
He didn’t say shit for like 48
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hours, total loser and so you’re
not going to believe this, but
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both scenario spent a good part
of the election, claiming that
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the country’s electronic voting
machines are susceptible to
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fraud and that if he lost he was
not going to accept the results.
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Wow, shocking.
Am never heard anything like
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this before, shocked.
King turn of events.
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What’s even more?
Shocking is Brazil.
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If you watch the edge of
democracy, it seems like they’ve
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been dealing with that since
like, Lula was getting elected.
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Sure.
And to be fair, the United
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States has to.
It’s just that it was 2000 and
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2004.
When we were really up in arms
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about stolen elections, and we
didn’t do shit about it, then
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sure.
But I mean like, we do have
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people who are all up in arms
about stolen elections.
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Now, Right.
Which is, you know, kind of also
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applicable.
Yeah.
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But it seems like with Brazil
it’s always just been results
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aren’t good doesn’t matter.
Like we at least had some
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specific complaints.
Sure in 2000.
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Yeah.
Hey, the Supreme Court just gave
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him, right?
That’s not right.
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Is it?
Yeah, that’s like that’s just
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such baby corruption compared to
the things that go on in Brazil.
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I mentioned this in our episode
about the edge of democracy but
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the Rinse in tone between
American and Brazilian politics
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while, not being very different,
especially on the right wing
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side.
Like the key difference is that
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there are many people alive and
working in the government who
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have a working memory of a time
when there was a literal
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military dictatorship in their
country and they have a bunch of
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people in the country who also
remember that in our passing
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these memories on to their
children and those people liked
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that, right?
And so they’re able to be a
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little bit more forward right
about the, actual intentions
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behind their right-wing
policies.
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Yeah, that’s true.
And so he did eventually hold a
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press conference.
Yeah.
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Where he didn’t exactly concede
but he did say something like
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I’m going to follow the
Constitution which was basically
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him saying he’s not going to
interfere with the transfer of
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power.
Yeah and also bunch of his
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allies in Brazilian government
chimed in to recognize his Feet.
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I think they probably realized
that they didn’t need to do that
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step because people would just
get mad on their behalf.
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Right.
Right.
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And that’s what happened.
That is exactly what happened
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Bolson Ro supporters.
Lost their shit.
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Yeah.
And it’s very similar like the
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storming of Congress in Brazil.
It’s similar to what happened in
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the United States obviously on
January 6th, but it So much more
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intense the build-up to it.
Like there was online chatter
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about January. 6th at the FB I
saw and was like cool, huh?
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About and storm the capital with
all those cameras rolling.
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But with Brazil it wasn’t just
online chatter.
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It was just escalating incidents
of violence.
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Yeah.
Where it’s like how did you not
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know this was happening and it
did come out like this is going
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to be two episodes when we get
to the actual All the riots at
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Brazilian Congress, they knew it
was coming.
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They just thought they could
contain it, right?
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And apparently they didn’t watch
the prequel happened on January
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6th in the United States, right?
Because it’s hard to contain
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when some of you are in on it,
right?
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When you don’t want to hurt
these people because they’re
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your voters, right?
And yeah, you see the same
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things where there’s like police
and military involved in helping
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the rioters and I don’t know how
you plan for that.
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Honestly, not my job.
Well, I would say the first
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thing I would do is not push
fascist ideologies.
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Yeah I don’t know if maybe I’m
talking out my ass here but that
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would be my first move in
preventing a militarized fascist
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population from trying to kill
me.
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It might work.
Yeah, could not Stoke those
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ideas but hey that’s just me.
That’s one potential remedy.
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You know look high.
And site its 2020.
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Yeah we’re just going to the
marketplace of ideas.
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You need us to pick anything up
over there.
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You know no one could have seen
that, stoking the right wing and
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fascist intensive parts of your
populace could backfire on you.
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I’ve no one know that and so the
first thing bowls in Ro
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supporters do is tens of
thousands.
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I’ve seen sources that put it
closer to 100,000.
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Yeah, bowls in Ro supporters
protested Tested at military
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bases across the country,
calling for the military to
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stop, Lula from being
inaugurated.
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Again, this is what we’re
talking about when it comes to
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the relationship with the
military dictatorship.
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Yeah, because this happened in
at least 75 cities including all
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of Brazil’s 27 state capitals.
And on the one hand, I mean,
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that makes it easy for the
military if they at any point.
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Want to just start mowing down
protesters.
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They like don’t even have to
immobilize, they can go out to
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the fence but like it’s not like
they’re protesting against the
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military, right?
So they really don’t want to
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kill these people because
they’re they’re being like, hey
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we love you, please do
something.
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Yeah, and I don’t know if they
realize that they’re really
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putting the military in a spot
check.
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I could see this putting a
little bit of that mistrust in
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the military in place.
Hmm.
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With some of these protesters
out Just watched, and we’re
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doing an episode about it
somewhere down the road, with
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Jen Scott.
There’s a documentary called
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this place rules.
Oh, yeah, I just saw that with
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that.
I didn’t watch it, but freshly
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disgraced filmmaker Andrew
Callahan.
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I had never heard of that guy.
And before that thing came out,
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I had neither, but one of the
things you see in that
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documentary is the rift that
formed between the proud boys
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and the police.
Where We’re proud.
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Boys.
Were always like very Prokop.
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Absolutely and that eventually
SuperDuper changed.
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And it’s because like stuff like
this, they were showing up at
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rallies being like a stop
calling for people to defund the
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police.
Yeah but then they get tear gas
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by the Kalina they’re like.
Hey and then come January 6
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they’re like man fuck the police
if you’re not on Trump’s side
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right and I think that was where
People kind of made that mistake
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in criticizing the January 6
protesters where they’re like oh
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your so prou cop but you’re
attacking cops it’s like they
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weren’t Prokop by that point
sure, which I mean same.
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But yeah.
But again, when it comes to
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these sorts of things, the
reasons, right, Adder?
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Right?
Yeah.
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The reasons the proud boys are
not Prokop is because the cops
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didn’t want to let them beat up
black p.
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I was you say they’re not
anti-cop.
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Because they want there to be a
strong racist police force,
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right?
But they are against cops who
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have a political agenda.
Yeah, as the globalist cops.
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Sure.
Yeah.
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And so yeah these protesters in
Brazil when they’re occupying
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these military bases or the
outside of military bases.
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And they had some pretty simple
commands.
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The military should take control
of the streets, who doesn’t want
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that great Congress and supreme
Should be disbanded cool.
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And both scenarios should remain
in power until new elections can
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be held.
What’s the harm?
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Yeah, it’s very, very simple.
You could argue with any of
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these.
And the problem is this election
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that they’re claiming was so
riddled with fraud was overseen
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by the military.
Yeah, they issued the final
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report about how clean the
selection was so they’re not
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going to step in and be like,
Yeah, we fucked up.
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It was all fraud.
Yeah, this is the thing, like
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this would not be my first
protest in this situation.
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I don’t think, no, I don’t think
I would immediately go.
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Okay, let’s go get the military
and I think it’s a perspective
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thing.
I think it’s a worldview thing.
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I don’t have that kind of, I
mean, obviously, I don’t have
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that kind of view of the
military, but I don’t think of
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right wing person in America.
Has that kind of relationship
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with the military.
No, I don’t think so.
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And I think probably in our
current political Climate.
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A lot of that would have to do
with the military not
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necessarily aligning with Trump,
right?
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Like, especially the woke
generals, that he called out all
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the time those generals there,
so well.
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So, whoa.
Yeah, just spreading their
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liberal values all across the
globe, So lately.
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Oh, take all this freedom and
democracy.
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It’s all.
We’re delivering, baby.
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I can’t, I can’t even wrap my
head around that.
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We can’t can’t go into that.
Yeah, it just makes my head
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spin.
And so yeah, these protesters
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they don’t just want Bowl
scenario.
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Back in place.
They want a full-on military
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dictatorship again, like
permanently.
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This is what happens when your
version of make America great.
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Again literally means literally
a previous military
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dictatorship.
Like if America had had that
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experience, that would be
exactly what the modern
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Republicans would want to go
back to.
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Right.
Yeah.
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And what’s so frightening about
that is the military is saying,
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no now, yeah, but the more
people that jump on board, an
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idea like that if that spreads
enough, who says the military at
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some point doesn’t go well it’s
just what the people want.
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Yeah, so we are going to send
Lula back to prison Again by
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force.
I mean they probably execute him
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this time.
Yeah, prison he can get out of
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as we’ve seen.
So as it became clear.
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Clear that the military was not
going to intervene to stop.
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Lula from being inaugurated
election misinformation.
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Start spreading like wildfire
online in Brazil.
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It already was before.
Sure.
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But this was a very specific
form that was like, no, the
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selection that just happened?
Yeah, was rigged much more
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targeted?
Yeah, you know, just like we saw
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here in 2020 and this led to a
Crackdown on social media That
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saw several of Bolson arrows,
biggest and most prominent
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allies getting their social
media accounts suspended now,
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which is also a thing that
happened here.
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Yes, and that I accept your
walking a fine line when it
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starts coming to that because
that’s obviously censorship.
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But it’s also a government
trying to put down what they see
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as an Insurrection, right?
It’s a suspending social media
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accounts, be lucky, you got off
with just that That it’s not
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censorship because that requires
like a government or an
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authority figure to it’s just,
but it is obviously picking a
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side which I’m sure people can
frown upon but whatever.
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I mean, I think if it were me I
would be happy.
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That my politicians were getting
kicked off of Twitter.
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I don’t think any politician
should be on Twitter.
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I think it’s a terrible idea.
Yeah, I have said several times.
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The second Obama tweeted we
should have been like nope.
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Nope, nope.
Nope, that They legitimately
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huge mistake.
Yes.
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On America’s are too hard to see
at the time.
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Yeah.
Because he was the social media
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president, sure.
And we had yet to have the type
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of relationship with social
media that we now have.
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And yeah, I think that was a
huge mistake that no one could
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have seen coming.
Now, the thing about the social
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media accounts in Brazil that
were shut down, is that move was
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ordered by The government.
Oh crazy.
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It was the Supreme Court
Justice.
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Alexander de Morris, yeah, who
ordered that these social media
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accounts be shut down and that
does seem a little more extreme
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to me.
But also, one thing we’re seeing
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with like the Twitter files
stuff that I still think is not
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all that shocking.
Is there were cases where
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elected officials here or people
who are running for office
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reached out.
Yeah, to Twitter and ask them.
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To take down tweets that
redeemed misinformation right,
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which still doesn’t Reach This
level where the Supreme Court is
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shutting down social media
accounts.
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But I think that I don’t know,
kind of speaks to how much more
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serious.
Yeah, I mean, it’s definitely
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was Ill.
It’s definitely fucked up.
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But at the same time, if what
they’re using their social media
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accounts for was lies and
propaganda and misinformation
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then I don’t know.
Is that really Lee since your
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ship.
Well, here’s the thing, even if
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it’s censorship again, the
people they’re censoring.
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This is a government that is
taking on an opposition.
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Yeah.
Like these are people who want
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to overthrow the government.
So cut in your fucking Twitter
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feed is going to be the least of
your problems after a while
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that’s like really preliminary.
Yeah.
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And that’s the thing with any
government that is going through
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a coup shutting down the
internet’s.
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One of the first things that But
yeah like they did it in Egypt
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like immediately.
Yeah.
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But this was a little more
selective and I don’t know.
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I mean I get it.
Well yeah I think it does
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actually kind of amount to
censorship but it’s also like I
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just mentioned this place rules
documentary, they interview Alex
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Jones extensively in that and he
keeps saying my show is called
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Infowars, not physical Wars, not
gun wars, it’s Infowars and it’s
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like, if that’s That’s the
course of action.
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You’re taking, we’re, we’re just
fighting the government with
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information motherfucker, the
government’s going to fight
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back.
Yeah.
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They’re trying to fight back by
blocking your information.
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Yeah, I think maybe the whole
situation is more complicated
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than terms like censorship even
oh shit.
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I feel like it’s important to
stress.
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That like maybe it is
citizenship, maybe it’s not but
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whether or not that has the same
implications as what Americans
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understanding of censorship is I
mean, you know, so we can’t say
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yeah but I don’t know.
I’m kind of just rambling but
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it’s crazy that the Supreme
Court Burr.
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It did make its way to Tucker.
Carlson’s show, great cool.
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Yeah.
Definitely called it censorship
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and was very angry hint.
Well about it, speaking of
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propaganda and fucking lies
right?
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Among those kicked off, social
media, Bruno Ayub who goes by
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the name Monarch, he’s one of
Brazil’s most famous podcasters
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his YouTube channel.
Channel with more than 4 million
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followers was deactivated cool.
Nicholas Ferrara 26 year old
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influencer and congressman-elect
with.
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Over 2 million followers was
suspended from Twitter and
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lawmaker, Carla zambelli who has
over nine point five million
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followers was suspended from 10
different platforms like, this
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is different.
Yes, happening in the US and
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this case the Supreme Court
granted themselves like sweeping
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Works including giving mareas
the unilateral authority to
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mandate the removal of any
content.
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He wants enforced by hourly
fines and potential suspension
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of some tech companies, right to
stay in business.
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That’s one of those things.
Where, if you’re on Lula’s side?
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Yeah.
And you’re thinking well yeah, I
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get why they put that in place
makes perfect sense.
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You damn.
Well, better have like a date
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written in your calendar, to go
back to Lula and be like, you’re
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going to turn that off now and
yeah.
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Right.
And you just sensor whatever you
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want forever and they’re like,
no, it’s forever.
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Sorry, it’s kind of like that
crazy surveillance system in the
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dark night, right?
We’re like, Lula has to be like,
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look, don’t worry.
I have set it to self-destruct
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at this specific time so it’s
fine.
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Yeah it’s like I mean covid
surveillance.
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Yeah I think similar example
where Something we’re finding
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not so much in the United States
yet, but in other countries
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they’ve already started using
that covid surveillance Fernando
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other shit, which sucks because
that stuff is also what?
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Helped a lot of countries.
Keep the virus under control.
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Yeah, when the United States
wasn’t able to that’s how it
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works.
Yeah.
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Just slide some of your personal
Liberties across the table and
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they slide safety back at you.
And if you’re in Brazil,
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sometimes the person slide in
that safe.
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She back at you is Lady Gaga.
This is nuts and I love this
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story so much the absolute peak
of election misinformation that
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circulated, in Brazil.
After this election was a claim
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that Lady Gaga is actually an
employee of the international
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criminal court at the Hague.
And this claim appeared
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alongside this doctored image
that appeared to show.
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Lady Gaga on a zoom call with
gyre Balsa narrow and it’s
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definitely her in this picture.
Sure.
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And she’s like, wearing this
outfit, that looks like she is
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at work at the Hague, of course.
Sure.
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And the claims identify her as
Stefani germanotta, which is her
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00:25:43,600 –> 00:25:46,200
real name.
But also it’s Stefani.
442
00:25:46,200 –> 00:25:50,700
Germanotta comma prime minister
of the Hague court.
443
00:25:51,900 –> 00:25:56,000
That is her real name.
That is Not a position at the
444
00:25:56,000 –> 00:26:01,200
Hague have what prime minister?
I’m minister of the Hague court
445
00:26:01,300 –> 00:26:05,300
for some reason, right?
Wingers have a real bee in their
446
00:26:05,300 –> 00:26:08,400
Bonnet about the fucking
international criminal court.
447
00:26:08,400 –> 00:26:11,600
I wonder what that’s about.
Yeah, I wonder what that’s
448
00:26:11,600 –> 00:26:15,400
about.
Who could ever know who could
449
00:26:15,400 –> 00:26:18,200
say.
So this video that was
450
00:26:18,200 –> 00:26:22,600
circulating claimed, that Lady
Gaga was going to be the one
451
00:26:22,600 –> 00:26:27,500
responsible for authorizing.
This military intervention that
452
00:26:27,500 –> 00:26:31,000
was going to put ball scenario
back in office and that this
453
00:26:31,000 –> 00:26:35,300
Zoom call was proof that it was
going to happen any day now.
454
00:26:35,400 –> 00:26:40,700
Maybe I miss this.
Who knows why Lady Gaga no idea.
455
00:26:40,700 –> 00:26:43,400
Is it did she do something to
piss them off?
456
00:26:44,000 –> 00:26:46,300
Whoever is doing this stupid
thing.
457
00:26:46,600 –> 00:26:49,200
No clue.
But like, what’s the gain of
458
00:26:49,200 –> 00:26:53,000
Lady Gaga being the person who’s
in the international criminal
459
00:26:53,000 –> 00:26:55,700
court, you’re still on trial at
the criminal court, doesn’t
460
00:26:55,700 –> 00:26:59,000
matter who the fucking head of
it, is why Lady Gaga?
461
00:26:59,300 –> 00:27:03,500
I don’t know, I feel like I’ve
missed a key piece of context.
462
00:27:03,700 –> 00:27:07,700
I don’t know how to make sense
of this, because I don’t think
463
00:27:07,700 –> 00:27:09,700
it makes sense.
Oh yeah.
464
00:27:10,300 –> 00:27:12,300
Maybe it’s just, that
right-wingers are fucking
465
00:27:12,300 –> 00:27:15,000
stupid.
Could be yeah this part
466
00:27:15,000 –> 00:27:18,100
especially feels like social
experiment shit yeah.
467
00:27:18,100 –> 00:27:21,800
It’s like what can we get?
These fucking dunderheads to
468
00:27:21,800 –> 00:27:25,200
believe to online like the world
over.
469
00:27:25,300 –> 00:27:29,000
Just everybody log the fuck off.
Just you know what?
470
00:27:29,200 –> 00:27:32,000
Watch some TV.
Just log off and watch some
471
00:27:32,000 –> 00:27:33,200
Netflix.
Sure.
472
00:27:33,400 –> 00:27:35,100
I mean, yeah.
Yeah.
473
00:27:35,100 –> 00:27:38,900
Go watch old enough.
That story about Japanese babies
474
00:27:38,900 –> 00:27:41,700
running errands.
That is a cute show.
475
00:27:41,700 –> 00:27:43,400
Have you want?
Yes, it’s the best.
476
00:27:43,600 –> 00:27:45,700
Look what dorable it’s the best
show.
477
00:27:45,700 –> 00:27:46,900
People.
Got mad about it.
478
00:27:46,900 –> 00:27:49,200
It’s like you got the man.
You love about it.
479
00:27:49,400 –> 00:27:51,700
There were people who were like
hoochie responses.
480
00:27:51,700 –> 00:27:53,200
Why?
I’m not on Twitter.
481
00:27:53,300 –> 00:27:57,200
See, this is exactly the reason
because what’s that?
482
00:27:57,200 –> 00:28:00,000
I do but I don’t get this stuff
from Twitter.
483
00:28:00,000 –> 00:28:02,700
I go through a bunch of
headlines every day, right?
484
00:28:02,700 –> 00:28:06,000
Well sure.
So like, find topic ideas and
485
00:28:06,000 –> 00:28:09,100
that’s where I see shit.
Well, I mean fuck that.
486
00:28:09,100 –> 00:28:12,200
That’s just cultural the episode
where the kid had to make the
487
00:28:12,200 –> 00:28:14,400
lemonade.
My God.
488
00:28:14,500 –> 00:28:16,800
I have just kept playing this
toys.
489
00:28:16,900 –> 00:28:20,400
I haven’t watched.
Yes, yes, in the mom calls with
490
00:28:20,400 –> 00:28:23,300
the house.
My favorite is the one where the
491
00:28:23,300 –> 00:28:26,300
two friends have to go to the
shrine.
492
00:28:26,500 –> 00:28:27,800
It’s adorable.
It’s the best.
493
00:28:27,900 –> 00:28:31,900
Anyway, it’s a fun show that
has, as much to do with Brazil
494
00:28:31,900 –> 00:28:36,700
is Lady Gaga.
And so the next move from ball
495
00:28:36,700 –> 00:28:41,300
scenario supporters, this also
sounds familiar but they seemed
496
00:28:41,300 –> 00:28:43,100
like, they were way better at
it, truck.
497
00:28:43,600 –> 00:28:48,800
First apparently encouraged by
military reservists, great
498
00:28:48,800 –> 00:28:54,300
launched a series of roadblocks
like at their height they had
499
00:28:54,300 –> 00:28:57,800
something like 300 plus
roadblocks across.
500
00:28:58,100 –> 00:29:01,800
Yeah, 25 States.
It’s what our truck protesters
501
00:29:01,800 –> 00:29:04,300
wish that they had done.
Yeah.
502
00:29:04,300 –> 00:29:07,100
I loved the video of one of
those truck.
503
00:29:07,100 –> 00:29:11,300
Caravans getting just owned by a
dude on a bike because he’s
504
00:29:11,300 –> 00:29:13,400
like, you’re not going to
fucking run me over.
505
00:29:13,500 –> 00:29:16,800
Yeah yeah you gonna kill me?
So enjoy going. 12 miles an hour
506
00:29:16,800 –> 00:29:19,600
through my neighborhood.
So good.
507
00:29:20,000 –> 00:29:23,300
There was an eerie thing that
happened with these Brazil truck
508
00:29:23,300 –> 00:29:26,000
blockades though.
We’re the military immediately
509
00:29:26,000 –> 00:29:29,300
moved in to make sure they
couldn’t block the roads that
510
00:29:29,300 –> 00:29:32,400
lead to Congress.
And it’s like, did you want to
511
00:29:32,408 –> 00:29:35,000
make sure like, the protesters
who were going to storm?
512
00:29:35,000 –> 00:29:37,100
It could get there.
Is that why you left it open?
513
00:29:37,400 –> 00:29:41,100
Probably seems like blocking.
It might have been a good idea.
514
00:29:41,200 –> 00:29:45,200
Yeah, I mean look maybe.
And This is pure ignorance
515
00:29:45,200 –> 00:29:48,000
speculation.
Maybe, like people who are in
516
00:29:48,000 –> 00:29:50,700
the military have figured out
that they could have a much
517
00:29:50,700 –> 00:29:54,200
easier time of the whole coup
thing.
518
00:29:54,200 –> 00:29:59,100
If they step back and just
gently encourage people to do it
519
00:29:59,100 –> 00:30:00,200
themselves.
Yeah.
520
00:30:00,200 –> 00:30:03,100
And then they can step in
eventually and be like, look
521
00:30:03,400 –> 00:30:06,200
we’ll handle this.
We can cool this down.
522
00:30:06,300 –> 00:30:09,500
Yeah.
Which I kind of feel like if
523
00:30:09,500 –> 00:30:13,000
Trump got re-elected, that was
what we would have seen with
524
00:30:13,000 –> 00:30:16,500
like black Black lives matter.
Protests sure again, like
525
00:30:16,500 –> 00:30:20,800
Trump’s relationship with the
military is different but like
526
00:30:20,800 –> 00:30:23,300
it definitely wouldn’t be hard
to convince them.
527
00:30:23,300 –> 00:30:26,900
I don’t think to do that.
No I don’t think so either.
528
00:30:27,000 –> 00:30:30,500
And so these blockades They
carried on for a bunch of weeks
529
00:30:30,700 –> 00:30:34,800
and they just kind of got
scarier and more violent as they
530
00:30:34,800 –> 00:30:37,700
went along at one point.
Police said the blockades were
531
00:30:37,700 –> 00:30:40,900
being carried out by quote,
extremely violent and
532
00:30:40,900 –> 00:30:45,400
coordinated hooded men.
Go, it’s always a good sign.
533
00:30:45,500 –> 00:30:47,300
Yeah.
Like what kind of hoods are we
534
00:30:47,300 –> 00:30:53,400
talk like that at all?
There was also one region where
535
00:30:53,400 –> 00:30:59,000
the blockade protesters demanded
that local shops shut down in
536
00:30:59,200 –> 00:31:03,400
recognition of the protests and
any that didn’t would suffer
537
00:31:03,400 –> 00:31:06,400
reprisals.
That’s an extra step.
538
00:31:06,400 –> 00:31:10,100
I don’t bunch of cool guys.
Yeah, they just want freedom.
539
00:31:10,200 –> 00:31:12,700
Exactly.
It just want the freedom to tell
540
00:31:12,700 –> 00:31:14,700
people who to vote.
Vote for or die.
541
00:31:14,700 –> 00:31:18,600
Yeah, or whether you’re able to
open your business or die,
542
00:31:18,700 –> 00:31:19,400
right?
Right.
543
00:31:19,400 –> 00:31:23,100
That’s just how the free market
Works conveniently, despite
544
00:31:23,100 –> 00:31:25,800
being one of the most active
world leaders on social media,
545
00:31:25,800 –> 00:31:28,600
Bolson, r0 kind of went missing
during all this.
546
00:31:28,600 –> 00:31:31,300
Yeah, silent.
Didn’t say anything.
547
00:31:31,500 –> 00:31:35,700
Imagine it seems like that’s his
move seems like kind of a pussy,
548
00:31:35,700 –> 00:31:38,200
kind of a pussy, but also kind
of a.
549
00:31:38,300 –> 00:31:40,700
I’ll let them tear shit up for a
while and see how it goes.
550
00:31:40,700 –> 00:31:43,200
Course, the cowards move, right?
Yeah.
551
00:31:43,600 –> 00:31:46,700
Cowards move, but it’s also kind
of a, is this going to work?
552
00:31:46,800 –> 00:31:48,400
Yeah, well I get to go back and
be in power.
553
00:31:48,400 –> 00:31:49,600
Exactly.
Yeah.
554
00:31:49,700 –> 00:31:52,400
And it should go without saying
that they were also throwing up
555
00:31:52,400 –> 00:31:54,000
Nazi salutes.
Sure.
556
00:31:54,000 –> 00:31:56,200
Why not?
Again, little bit of a
557
00:31:56,200 –> 00:31:59,900
connection between Brazil and
the Nazis sure, legitly
558
00:31:59,900 –> 00:32:03,200
allegedly.
And we’ll link to an article
559
00:32:03,200 –> 00:32:04,800
about it.
But this article is in
560
00:32:04,800 –> 00:32:08,100
Portuguese because here’s the
thing, I do my fucking research
561
00:32:08,200 –> 00:32:12,200
but also it’s one of those pages
that like refreshes every like
562
00:32:12,200 –> 00:32:13,800
30 seconds of sure.
Sure.
563
00:32:13,800 –> 00:32:16,500
And so you can click the
translate thing to make it
564
00:32:16,500 –> 00:32:19,700
English and read it.
But then it’s going to refresh.
565
00:32:19,800 –> 00:32:21,500
Yeah.
At some point and go back to
566
00:32:21,500 –> 00:32:24,000
Portuguese.
And that happens very quickly.
567
00:32:24,600 –> 00:32:29,100
So I was able to read like the
first paragraph right but Nazis
568
00:32:29,200 –> 00:32:32,600
in Brazil cool.
Who knew ya?
569
00:32:32,600 –> 00:32:36,400
Can’t believe that.
I mean it’s technically not the
570
00:32:36,400 –> 00:32:39,800
Nazi salute, it’s a fascist
salute, sure.
571
00:32:40,000 –> 00:32:45,500
But you know, at this point in
history, Just splitting hairs,
572
00:32:45,600 –> 00:32:48,200
but I feel like there’s
definitely a racial element to
573
00:32:48,208 –> 00:32:50,500
these protesters.
There is to all right, wing
574
00:32:50,500 –> 00:32:54,900
protests around the globe but I
feel like the Nazi element is
575
00:32:55,400 –> 00:33:00,600
yeah, much more fascist.
Yeah, so after that didn’t work
576
00:33:00,600 –> 00:33:03,600
after the truck protest,
eventually, fizzled out.
577
00:33:03,700 –> 00:33:07,800
And once again, it’s the
military that they’re wanting to
578
00:33:07,800 –> 00:33:11,400
intervene in this election
eventually.
579
00:33:11,400 –> 00:33:13,300
It’s just the military every
time.
580
00:33:13,500 –> 00:33:16,100
I’m that’s like no we’re just
going to break up your protest.
581
00:33:16,100 –> 00:33:18,700
Yeah, that happened when they
were protesting at military
582
00:33:18,700 –> 00:33:21,200
bases.
Eventually the military broke it
583
00:33:21,200 –> 00:33:24,200
up with tear gas.
And, and it happened here, where
584
00:33:24,200 –> 00:33:27,400
eventually the military was
like, we are the military will
585
00:33:27,400 –> 00:33:30,200
just clear the streets.
Well, it also seems like that’s
586
00:33:30,200 –> 00:33:35,500
a fundamental problem with the
truck Convoy protests which I
587
00:33:35,500 –> 00:33:38,700
also had the thought about when
they were happening in North
588
00:33:38,700 –> 00:33:41,200
America.
It’s like that’s a type of
589
00:33:41,200 –> 00:33:47,600
protest that is heavily.
And on being able to pay for gas
590
00:33:48,000 –> 00:33:51,100
and maintenance of your vehicle.
So they have, I mean, like
591
00:33:51,100 –> 00:33:54,900
that’s just can’t last for very
long by its nature, right?
592
00:33:54,900 –> 00:33:58,700
That has to run out of steam
eventually unless it’s being
593
00:33:58,700 –> 00:34:02,400
funded, which is sure.
Something will get into on the
594
00:34:02,400 –> 00:34:06,100
next episode about the Brazilian
Congress riots.
595
00:34:06,200 –> 00:34:09,800
Is that this is all being
financed by like that Agra
596
00:34:09,800 –> 00:34:10,800
sector.
Sure.
597
00:34:10,800 –> 00:34:13,300
Yeah.
In Brazil really?
598
00:34:13,500 –> 00:34:18,300
Clear itch, farming companies
and corporations, definitely not
599
00:34:18,300 –> 00:34:22,500
slave owners.
No, no, no, no, definitely not.
600
00:34:22,500 –> 00:34:25,500
I would never claim such a thing
and I’m not claiming that their
601
00:34:25,500 –> 00:34:28,199
slave owners.
No, no, it’s not a thing.
602
00:34:28,199 –> 00:34:32,800
Not on our half of that Globe.
Wait, oh yeah, so that half.
603
00:34:32,800 –> 00:34:35,500
Okay, right, interesting.
Yeah, I don’t think we’d
604
00:34:35,500 –> 00:34:39,500
normally put ourselves on that
happen, Okay?
605
00:34:39,600 –> 00:34:42,000
You get it, I get it, the West,
sure.
606
00:34:42,100 –> 00:34:45,800
So, the next thing, Thing after
the truck protest didn’t work,
607
00:34:45,900 –> 00:34:49,000
it’s motherfuckers all scenarios
supporters stormed.
608
00:34:49,000 –> 00:34:54,199
The federal police headquarters.
Yeah, which is honestly kind of
609
00:34:54,199 –> 00:34:57,300
crazy when you see what
Brazilian federal police
610
00:34:57,300 –> 00:35:00,700
threats.
Like, yeah, they were in the
611
00:35:00,700 –> 00:35:05,400
edge of democracy documentary,
but like, they are straight-up
612
00:35:05,400 –> 00:35:08,500
fucking black balaclava, where
and motherfucker.
613
00:35:08,500 –> 00:35:13,300
It’s Yeah, I am shocked.
This didn’t end in the death.
614
00:35:13,300 –> 00:35:16,500
Yeah, hundreds of protesters.
Like, I’m all about fucking
615
00:35:16,500 –> 00:35:19,600
storming Police Headquarters,
but if they say the
616
00:35:19,600 –> 00:35:24,300
motherfuckers are wearing
fucking black ski masks, yeah, I
617
00:35:24,300 –> 00:35:28,700
might have more caution and
also, it’s like should lawmakers
618
00:35:28,700 –> 00:35:31,900
in Brazil have seen the storming
of Congress coming, right?
619
00:35:31,900 –> 00:35:35,100
It’s like, yeah, they storm.
The federal police headquarters
620
00:35:35,100 –> 00:35:38,000
a month earlier.
We’re going to store many
621
00:35:38,000 –> 00:35:39,400
fucking thing.
You put in front of them.
622
00:35:39,500 –> 00:35:43,700
They’re kind of in a storming
mood storm, and it’s just a
623
00:35:43,700 –> 00:35:45,700
thing.
Yeah, it’s trending right now,
624
00:35:45,700 –> 00:35:49,300
everybody’s on Tick-Tock and
they’re all like, hey storm.
625
00:35:51,000 –> 00:35:54,100
And there was one commentator in
Brazil.
626
00:35:54,300 –> 00:35:59,100
Just called it a botched attempt
at the January 6th style Riot,
627
00:35:59,200 –> 00:36:01,300
one could call it a botched
attempt or one.
628
00:36:01,300 –> 00:36:03,500
Could call it a dress rehearsal,
right?
629
00:36:03,600 –> 00:36:06,500
Exactly the attack on the police
headquarters happened.
630
00:36:06,500 –> 00:36:10,500
After Louis victory, was
officially ratified, Brazil’s
631
00:36:10,500 –> 00:36:14,100
electoral Court.
Yeah, so probably over now.
632
00:36:14,100 –> 00:36:16,600
Like now that it’s ratified,
there’s nothing else really for
633
00:36:16,600 –> 00:36:18,800
them to complain about it.
Yeah.
634
00:36:18,900 –> 00:36:22,000
Because I feel like Lula just
from the vibe that I’ve gotten
635
00:36:22,000 –> 00:36:24,300
from, what I’ve heard of him,
seems like he would just be
636
00:36:24,300 –> 00:36:26,900
like, Oh, okay, that’s what
you’re attacking.
637
00:36:26,900 –> 00:36:30,400
It responds to me winning.
Okay, fine.
638
00:36:32,700 –> 00:36:37,500
I mean, obviously it escalated
later, but still, and so, this
639
00:36:37,500 –> 00:36:41,000
incident did lead to some Fears
that there could be more
640
00:36:41,000 –> 00:36:43,200
violence in the future for some
reason.
641
00:36:43,400 –> 00:36:47,000
But the man Lula appointed as
his future just like Minister,
642
00:36:47,200 –> 00:36:51,800
he’s got just a wonderful name.
Flavio Dino.
643
00:36:51,900 –> 00:36:55,700
That is a great name and look,
it looks like Dino and that’s
644
00:36:55,700 –> 00:36:58,000
just how my brain processes
that.
645
00:36:58,000 –> 00:37:02,600
So he was very reassuring.
Here’s a quote are there
646
00:37:02,800 –> 00:37:06,800
unfortunately people who want
anti-democratic and illegal
647
00:37:06,800 –> 00:37:09,400
chaos.
Yes there are but these people
648
00:37:09,600 –> 00:37:13,400
Did not Prevail today and they
will not Prevail tomorrow the
649
00:37:13,400 –> 00:37:15,900
Prevail in like a couple weeks.
Yeah.
650
00:37:15,900 –> 00:37:19,300
It might even you know stretch
into like 2024 but eventually
651
00:37:19,300 –> 00:37:22,400
they’ll Prevail they will
unfortunately Prevail.
652
00:37:23,100 –> 00:37:28,700
And so with Lula’s Victory
certified everyone just packed
653
00:37:28,700 –> 00:37:30,000
up and went home.
Just joking.
654
00:37:30,000 –> 00:37:35,000
The next thing that happened is
someone who wanted to bomb the
655
00:37:35,000 –> 00:37:38,900
Brasilia airport.
Yeah, that was stopped by police
656
00:37:38,900 –> 00:37:41,200
a few Days.
After the storming of the
657
00:37:41,200 –> 00:37:44,100
federal police headquarters, a,
man named George.
658
00:37:44,100 –> 00:37:49,200
Washington de Oliveira Souza was
arrested, after police filed, a
659
00:37:49,207 –> 00:37:51,900
plot to set off an explosive
device.
660
00:37:51,900 –> 00:37:55,000
Near the Brasilia airport in
acting was trying to carry out
661
00:37:55,000 –> 00:37:59,200
in protest of Lula’s win.
This is just full of unfortunate
662
00:37:59,200 –> 00:38:01,800
details.
That name just sounds like
663
00:38:01,800 –> 00:38:03,900
something.
A republican would make up for a
664
00:38:03,900 –> 00:38:06,300
Brazilian.
Yeah, yeah.
665
00:38:06,300 –> 00:38:11,700
It’s a wild name and Souza is 54
year old gas station manager.
666
00:38:11,800 –> 00:38:14,400
He told police that both
scenarios suggestions of
667
00:38:14,400 –> 00:38:17,700
election fraud, inspired him to
carry out the attack.
668
00:38:17,800 –> 00:38:22,500
Police up until he’s like now
against the said, you said there
669
00:38:22,500 –> 00:38:29,000
was Frost Wilson.
I was like oh this is my dad.
670
00:38:29,200 –> 00:38:32,400
Okay.
Like you’re 12 years older than
671
00:38:33,800 –> 00:38:38,100
my dad, you’re being crazy.
So when he first arrived in the
672
00:38:38,100 –> 00:38:41,100
capital, he joined in an
encampment of Bowl scenario
673
00:38:41,100 –> 00:38:45,200
supporters who had posted up
outside Army headquarters in
674
00:38:45,200 –> 00:38:47,400
Brasilia.
This is a quote, my trip to
675
00:38:47,400 –> 00:38:50,600
Brasilia was so I could join the
protest in front of the Army
676
00:38:50,600 –> 00:38:55,100
Headquarters, and wait for the
Armed Forces to authorize me to
677
00:38:55,100 –> 00:38:59,200
take up arms and Destroy
communism.
678
00:38:59,300 –> 00:39:03,600
End, quote, does that sound at
all familiar to any listeners in
679
00:39:03,600 –> 00:39:07,700
the United States?
What’s kind of alarming about
680
00:39:07,700 –> 00:39:10,800
that quote other than ever In
all of it.
681
00:39:10,800 –> 00:39:15,300
Sure is that that’s not like
completely irrational.
682
00:39:15,300 –> 00:39:17,900
There was e, non zero chance of
what?
683
00:39:17,900 –> 00:39:20,700
He just described happening
right there.
684
00:39:20,700 –> 00:39:25,200
Very possibly, he could have
shown up and the military could
685
00:39:25,200 –> 00:39:27,500
have been like okay, here’s a
gun.
686
00:39:27,800 –> 00:39:31,300
Let’s go do this, right?
That could have happened.
687
00:39:31,300 –> 00:39:34,900
Yeah, I mean I think that goes a
long way toward what’s getting
688
00:39:34,900 –> 00:39:37,100
Trump in trouble for January
6th?
689
00:39:37,100 –> 00:39:41,100
Yeah, he did say it like he did.
Did say the words that inspired
690
00:39:41,100 –> 00:39:42,300
people to go do this.
Yeah.
691
00:39:42,600 –> 00:39:45,400
God, how crazy would it have
been this guy showed up in the
692
00:39:45,408 –> 00:39:49,200
military was like, here have a
gun Eve, would it be crazy,
693
00:39:49,300 –> 00:39:53,200
which is why it’s even crazier
that it could have happened and
694
00:39:53,300 –> 00:39:57,000
another alarming detail here.
And people at home, will need to
695
00:39:57,000 –> 00:40:00,000
read the Reuters article.
We’re referencing here to see it
696
00:40:00,100 –> 00:40:03,200
a link to it in the show notes.
Souza told police he invested
697
00:40:03,200 –> 00:40:09,000
nearly 160,000 reals AKA thirty
thousand six hundred dollars
698
00:40:09,100 –> 00:40:12,400
building Up an arsenal of
weapons to take on the
699
00:40:12,400 –> 00:40:14,900
government.
With here’s quote, what?
700
00:40:14,900 –> 00:40:16,700
Motivated?
Me to buy the guns, where the
701
00:40:16,700 –> 00:40:20,300
words of President ball scenario
who always emphasized the
702
00:40:20,308 –> 00:40:23,900
importance of civilians being
armed by saying, an armed
703
00:40:23,900 –> 00:40:26,800
population will never be
enslaved.
704
00:40:26,900 –> 00:40:31,700
He’s not wrong.
And what’s concerning about that
705
00:40:31,800 –> 00:40:34,900
is we hear that and we’re like,
oh sure yeah you encourage
706
00:40:34,900 –> 00:40:37,900
people to buy guns, Brazil
doesn’t have the history of gun
707
00:40:37,900 –> 00:40:41,400
ownership that we have, right?
Bowls, the narrow loosened gun
708
00:40:41,400 –> 00:40:46,900
laws in Brazil and gun ownership
increased like, six fold, under
709
00:40:46,900 –> 00:40:48,600
him.
To the point that there are now
710
00:40:48,600 –> 00:40:53,900
something like 700 thousand
registered gun owners in Brazil,
711
00:40:53,900 –> 00:40:56,400
That’s crazy.
And every single one of those
712
00:40:56,400 –> 00:41:00,200
people is ostensibly a bowl
scenario supporter, right?
713
00:41:00,300 –> 00:41:04,800
Who is just waiting for the word
to show up with guns?
714
00:41:04,800 –> 00:41:06,800
Yeah.
Like did they not bring guns
715
00:41:06,800 –> 00:41:09,300
when they stormed the Congress?
Yeah.
716
00:41:09,500 –> 00:41:11,600
Just seems like the logical
thing to do.
717
00:41:11,600 –> 00:41:13,300
Yeah.
It’s like if you’ve got them
718
00:41:13,500 –> 00:41:15,700
during, if you got them, you
know, exactly bulls.
719
00:41:15,700 –> 00:41:18,000
And I was telling you to, he
loves guns.
720
00:41:18,000 –> 00:41:20,900
I’ve seen him talk about it.
This guy was also planning to
721
00:41:20,900 –> 00:41:23,800
construct a bomb using Dynamite
that he brought to the
722
00:41:23,800 –> 00:41:27,200
encampment with him and a Remote
triggering device that someone
723
00:41:27,200 –> 00:41:29,400
gave him when he arrived at the
encampment.
724
00:41:29,400 –> 00:41:31,600
It’s like this Brazil have an
FBI.
725
00:41:32,200 –> 00:41:35,400
So that’s probably who gave you
that bud sorry.
726
00:41:35,400 –> 00:41:39,100
Yeah it was the guy wearing a
black balaclava.
727
00:41:39,100 –> 00:41:40,900
Yeah.
But he hits you, the remote.
728
00:41:40,900 –> 00:41:42,600
Did he have to take his badge
off?
729
00:41:44,600 –> 00:41:48,500
And Sousa said, he ultimately
lost his nerve and handed the
730
00:41:48,500 –> 00:41:52,500
bomb off, to someone else, who
planted it at the airport.
731
00:41:52,500 –> 00:41:55,300
Like sure who’ll yeah.
It’s still there.
732
00:41:55,500 –> 00:41:57,600
Yeah, they still haven’t found
it.
733
00:41:59,000 –> 00:42:02,700
Yeah, it’s in a display case.
It’s the locations hidden in a,
734
00:42:02,700 –> 00:42:06,500
where’s Waldo book?
So, he was arrested shortly
735
00:42:06,500 –> 00:42:09,300
thereafter and I don’t know that
increase in gun.
736
00:42:09,400 –> 00:42:11,900
Ownership makes me really
nervous for Brazil.
737
00:42:11,900 –> 00:42:14,700
Yeah.
I mean one thing that we know
738
00:42:14,700 –> 00:42:18,800
about guns is that the more
people who own them, the more
739
00:42:18,800 –> 00:42:21,200
people who died because of them,
right.
740
00:42:21,200 –> 00:42:23,300
And I mean, it’s not like
there’s no guns in Brazil.
741
00:42:23,300 –> 00:42:27,000
I’ve seen city of God.
Yeah, which is, of course, an
742
00:42:27,000 –> 00:42:31,300
extremely accurate and
nonfiction soccer, a love
743
00:42:31,300 –> 00:42:33,700
documentary, I believe Rio de
Janeiro.
744
00:42:33,700 –> 00:42:37,900
Yeah.
So, all of that happened in the
745
00:42:37,900 –> 00:42:42,400
run-up to Lula’s inauguration,
things didn’t get a whole lot
746
00:42:42,400 –> 00:42:46,400
tense with his inauguration.
And by that, I mean, A man
747
00:42:46,400 –> 00:42:50,300
carrying an explosive device and
a knife was arrested while
748
00:42:50,300 –> 00:42:55,500
attempting to enter as many as
100,000 people had gathered in
749
00:42:55,500 –> 00:42:58,300
the area for the ceremony.
So that device went off that
750
00:42:58,300 –> 00:43:03,200
would have been very bad times
and all of that was just in the
751
00:43:03,200 –> 00:43:04,400
lead-up.
Yeah.
752
00:43:04,400 –> 00:43:06,500
So what what we’re talking about
next.
753
00:43:06,500 –> 00:43:11,400
It’s just ketchup which is the
actual attacks on Brazilian
754
00:43:11,500 –> 00:43:16,200
Congress and the things that
have happened since here’s the
755
00:43:16,200 –> 00:43:20,600
thing we could in theory just
make this a longer episode in
756
00:43:20,600 –> 00:43:24,900
cover all that too but we’re
recording this a few weeks ahead
757
00:43:24,900 –> 00:43:26,600
of when it’s going to come out.
Yeah.
758
00:43:26,600 –> 00:43:31,700
And I feel like there are going
to be development seems like the
759
00:43:31,700 –> 00:43:36,500
situation is changing day by day
and Like one of the developments
760
00:43:36,500 –> 00:43:39,500
is we’ve already mentioned there
was like some military
761
00:43:39,500 –> 00:43:44,300
involvement for not a lot of
military intervention to stop.
762
00:43:44,300 –> 00:43:48,300
What happened at the Brazilian
Congress, so Lula fired, the
763
00:43:48,300 –> 00:43:52,900
head of the Brazilian military
and I’m sure that we’ll have no
764
00:43:52,900 –> 00:43:55,500
ramifications or repercussions
at all.
765
00:43:55,500 –> 00:43:58,100
I mean, yeah, for Lula, who
knows?
766
00:43:58,300 –> 00:44:00,200
And that happened like a day
ago.
767
00:44:00,700 –> 00:44:04,500
So I kind of want to keep an eye
on this one a little bit before
768
00:44:04,500 –> 00:44:08,900
we We issue our final report so
to speak the situation is
769
00:44:08,900 –> 00:44:13,800
heavily in flux, it sure is and
it’s fucking crazy.
770
00:44:14,100 –> 00:44:17,200
Well, I always say we’ll keep an
eye on the story but this one we
771
00:44:17,200 –> 00:44:20,400
actually know it mean we’ve got
we’re gonna do a part 2 soon.
772
00:44:20,400 –> 00:44:23,900
Yeah.
So so until then I think we have
773
00:44:23,900 –> 00:44:26,300
made it to the end of this
episode.
774
00:44:26,300 –> 00:44:30,000
We have any final thoughts.
Sure is concerning.
775
00:44:30,100 –> 00:44:32,600
Yeah.
I mean, my thoughts as always in
776
00:44:32,600 –> 00:44:37,500
these situations by thought And
feelings go out to the workers
777
00:44:37,600 –> 00:44:41,400
of Brazil and the people who are
actually going to suffer because
778
00:44:41,400 –> 00:44:45,400
of these right wing attacks and
the responses to them and the
779
00:44:45,408 –> 00:44:48,000
responses to the responses and
everything that’s going to
780
00:44:48,008 –> 00:44:50,000
follow.
I mean, it’s going to be a
781
00:44:50,008 –> 00:44:53,900
terrible time and I feel
terrible for the people who have
782
00:44:53,900 –> 00:44:57,500
to go through that.
It’s also such an environmental
783
00:44:57,500 –> 00:44:58,600
concern.
Yeah.
784
00:44:58,800 –> 00:45:05,300
Because the Amazon rainforest
picture primarily in Brazil and
785
00:45:05,300 –> 00:45:08,600
for now for now that’s the thing
that’s the reason the
786
00:45:08,600 –> 00:45:12,000
agriculture sector is so on both
scenarios sighs.
787
00:45:12,000 –> 00:45:17,200
Yeah is they want to be able to
develop the Amazon rainforest
788
00:45:17,200 –> 00:45:19,800
like he’s been pushing.
Look we’re talking about people
789
00:45:19,800 –> 00:45:23,900
who are basically the bad guys
from the Avatar movies.
790
00:45:24,000 –> 00:45:28,500
Yeah, in real life with
basically no exaggeration, they
791
00:45:28,500 –> 00:45:30,700
just want to fucking get in
there where they’ve got their
792
00:45:30,700 –> 00:45:34,000
giant remote-controlled
bulldozers at the ready, they’ve
793
00:45:34,000 –> 00:45:38,300
got their It’s not ready to go
to fucking put down the
794
00:45:38,300 –> 00:45:41,000
opposition.
They just need the go-ahead from
795
00:45:41,000 –> 00:45:43,100
the, from the local government.
Yeah.
796
00:45:43,400 –> 00:45:45,600
Trying to put that Navi
Starbucks up.
797
00:45:45,600 –> 00:45:47,800
Examine middle of the
rainforest?
798
00:45:47,800 –> 00:45:50,300
Yeah, well, I mean, like, they
need their coffee.
799
00:45:50,400 –> 00:45:51,900
They could put a Rainforest
Cafe.
800
00:45:52,000 –> 00:45:55,200
Well frame.
Oh, that would be really
801
00:45:55,200 –> 00:45:58,100
insulting.
Like imagine.
802
00:45:58,500 –> 00:46:01,800
Imagine what if they just cut
down the trees and put a bunch
803
00:46:01,800 –> 00:46:04,200
of animatronic animals?
Yeah, exactly.
804
00:46:04,500 –> 00:46:08,000
The Most depressing Rainforest
Cafe in the world.
805
00:46:08,200 –> 00:46:11,300
One that was built on top of a
rainforest.
806
00:46:11,400 –> 00:46:12,800
Oh God.
No.
807
00:46:13,000 –> 00:46:17,900
So yeah, we’ll be getting into
the actual Congress tax and the
808
00:46:18,100 –> 00:46:21,900
Fallout from those and the
parallels to January 6th and all
809
00:46:21,900 –> 00:46:24,700
of that on the next episode,
until then we have anything to
810
00:46:24,700 –> 00:46:28,800
plug going back, our lost
re-watch podcast, if you haven’t
811
00:46:28,800 –> 00:46:32,400
been listening because you’re
not on the pops conspiracy
812
00:46:32,400 –> 00:46:38,100
patreon for some reason.
Rude rude, but if you haven’t
813
00:46:38,100 –> 00:46:41,700
been listening we’re almost to
the season finale and therefore
814
00:46:41,700 –> 00:46:43,900
that our first season of
episodes will be free.
815
00:46:44,000 –> 00:46:47,000
So so be on the lookout for that
either way.
816
00:46:47,000 –> 00:46:49,200
Yeah.
And Adam Todd Brown, dotsub
817
00:46:49,200 –> 00:46:52,300
stack.com.
You can read my writings there.
818
00:46:52,600 –> 00:46:55,900
By the time, this goes up I
should be back in full swing
819
00:46:55,900 –> 00:46:58,400
doing that and I think that’s
it.
820
00:46:58,500 –> 00:47:01,200
Let’s get the fuck out of here.
Olivia, say goodbye.
821
00:47:02,000 –> 00:47:03,100
Goodbye everybody.
We love you.