Conspiracy! The Show 237: The Duel of the Sarah Lawrence College Cult Docs

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Welcome to conspiracy the show.
The world’s most trusted

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your host, Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia haydar
Hey everybody, Welcome to

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I’m your host, Adam Todd.

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Brown joining me is special
guest co-host.

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This week.
Kim, crawl is here.

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Hi everybody.
Hi Kim.

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You’ve been out while you were
on the conspiracy pod about the

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Paul McCartney conspiracy fall
McCartney.

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McCartney.
Yeah fo McCartney.

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Boom went by they come fall
McCartney fault like because it

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the FAQ the cart.
You get it.

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Yeah which that was a very fun
episode.

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I don’t remember if we put that
out publicly but you can see at

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least some of it on YouTube so
you didn’t public leap.

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I think we did though.
I think we did put it out

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because that’s a very good
episode.

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So if people haven’t heard it,
go listen to that.

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You’ve heard Kim on this pod
before.

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I think you might have been on
some other episodes.

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Definitely Pharisee.
Yeah, I don’t know, maybe not

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you’ve been on pretty scary
before in this was going to be

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an episode of pretty scary, but
for one thing, we’ve talked

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about the story that we’re
talking about today on pretty

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scary before, it was just, we
talked about it a long time ago

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before these documentaries were
out.

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You did research on it before
these documentaries.

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Well, this story broke in like
print media in newspapers and

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magazines first, and so We did
an episode based on those

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articles before this documentary
came out.

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I feel like even though I mean
that’s one of the reasons we’re

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covering it on conspiracy now
because we did talk about it on

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pretty scary but also I feel
like there’s a lot of conspiracy

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related stuff to this story
which is the Sarah Lawrence

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College, cult story, my main
conspiracy angle toward the

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story is.
This guy is clearly like former

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CIA or Thing.
Oh you think that I mean he

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that’s one of the things he
bragged about and like with

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MKUltra we know that was a lot
of just like mind control stuff

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and figuring out different
techniques for interrogating

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people in Breaking people down.
And it feels like this guy was

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using stuff.
He learned in that capacity on

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these kids because how do you
learn how to do that?

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Kind of thing that he did?
You know what I mean?

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Like, it seemed very quickly
that he was able to do this to

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these kids.
Kids.

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So we’re covering the story by
way of the Hulu documentary,

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called stolen youth inside the
Sarah Lawrence College coat.

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It’s one of two competing, Sarah
Lawrence College, cult

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documentaries, that are out on
the market right now, which is

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really common thing these days.
Really.

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I did, when I saw that at the
notes, I was like, oh shit, did

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I watch The Long Walk?
Yeah.

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Like, wait, was I on the wrong
Network?

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The other is peacock.
They have a documentary called

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Sex Lies in the college cult,
the defining.

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Difference between the two is
the peacock documentary is a

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like 90-minute documentary and
this is three one-hour episodes.

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So this is definitely a more
involved.

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Watch.
I’m normally really put off when

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a documentary is multiple
episodes, but I feel like this

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one actually needed to be
because there is a lot of

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Carnage in this story and there
are a lot of victims and they

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all all I think deserve to have
their stories told and heard and

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you get a lot of that in this.
Some of it is really rough to

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listen to one thing.
I was struck by having seen both

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documentaries, the peacock
documentary goes into Claudia’s

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story, a little more in depth
than this part of her story.

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The sex trafficking part,
especially the, just all of

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that, like all of Or sex work
that she did to pay this guy,

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the money that she perceived, as
having owed him.

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Did she comment or did she did
she participate in the peacock?

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No, she didn’t participate in
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that’s another thing.
This one has over peacock, more

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of the people who lived in the
house actually are interviewed

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in this documentary as opposed
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I think this is the better of
the two and I think it does need

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to be as long as it is.
What was also interesting to,

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like you said, like, we actually
got to see, like, the actual

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footage, and a lot of times with
these documentaries, like, you

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see, like, actors act out and
it’s like, okay, but then what

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really happened in about 40
minutes into the first hour?

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I was like, wait, are these
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This is all real image.
And I was like, trying to Google

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what?
All these people look like.

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I’m these aren’t actors.
This psycho was filming

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breaking.
These humans breaking these

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humans.
Yeah, he absolutely wrecked.

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These kids, that’s one of the
reasons I’m inclined to think

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he’s using skills.
He picked up somewhere and it

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seems like they are skills.
He would have learned in like

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Military Intelligence or
something along those lines like

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their scenes that are just
torture, like he’s like straight

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up torturing these kids in some
cases.

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But it seems like what he’s
really good at is figuring out,

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not just how to break these kids
down but how to break each one.

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In down individually because
they specifically to their

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psyche.
Like, what would effectively?

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Yeah.
Like, there’s one kid who’s

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unsure about his sexuality.
So, Larry Ray becomes his sex

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coach, and there’s Santos who it
seems like he couldn’t find an

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in with that kid.
So, he just starts accusing him

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of breaking everything in the
house and like gaslights this

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kid into thinking, he broke
everything in the house.

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And then but then he’s already
got everybody on his side.

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So everyone in the house is like
not being like, yeah, you broke

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that stuff, but no one is like
defending him either.

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Everyone is just like, so he’s
he’s how he’s talking about it.

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He’s like, I don’t remember
doing it, but I need him to not

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be mad at me.
And then I start to believe that

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I had done it.
Yeah, just the speed with which

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he breaks these kids, he’s not
doing normal shit, like he

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picked this all up.
Somewhere.

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And I feel like my I guess
bigger conspiracy about this.

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Larry Ray talks about having all
these really powerful friends.

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Yeah.
And we see evidence that he does

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have a lot of power.
A lot of fun.

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Yeah, a lot of them are
powerful.

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Yeah.
It’s not not real.

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And if I had to make a guess, I
would bet.

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The reason those powerful
friends didn’t come through for

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him, this time is because he was
caught using like military

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grade.
Mind control on a bunch of

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fucking college kids.
And if people start coming to

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his defense, like, he’s risking
out in company Secrets.

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At that point.
I feel like he just crossed a

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lot like, he obviously crossed a
line, but even like, and, and

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the eyes of like, but I think in
the eyes of the people who might

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have protected him in a
situation like this, I would

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Suspect with them, he probably
crossed a bit of a line doing

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this because God, I don’t care
how hardened of A CIA veteran

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you are like if you just spent
your career like toppling,

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governments and shit, you’re
going to see this and it’s going

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to pull at your heartstrings too
because like the CIA dudes have

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kids and like I said, they’re
gonna see this and be like you

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motherfucker, you ruined these
people.

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I mean like the end a lot of
them are but I mean Isabella

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she’s her life is ruined like
that’s that’s it.

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That’s all she wrote.
She’s all fucked up.

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Yeah.
Like she already was fucked up

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going into the sea.
Raishin and now she’s like her

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mom’s like 20 years sober and is
like I would love to talk to her

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and this woman just was
listening to look like the mom

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was like I want to come see
Isabella and help her and this

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woman was listening to Larry
because she had all this guilt

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about being a bad mom and an
alcoholic.

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And Larry was like, yeah, you’ll
just make things worse.

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Don’t come here so in, or like
keeping her mom away, he was

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able to fully.
That’s why I think she’s a

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victim.
She was a kid, man.

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If Felicia was older, Was like,
was now like a conspirator, I

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would I would get that.
But the fact that she was, she

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they oh my God, she was one of
the saddest, what they’re so

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sad.
I’m yeah, I’m like stuttering,

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sorry.
So this all starts in 2010.

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Well, okay, when a group of
friends all are starting their

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sophomore year at Sarah.
Lawrence College in New York

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Gabe, Dan, Max klaudia, Isabella
Santos Juliana into Yeah, they

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all live together in the house
and then there’s another friend

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named Raven who is around, but
doesn’t live in the house and I

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think she brings a lot to this
documentary.

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I don’t believe that she was in
the peacock documentary, but

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she’s interviewed a lot in this
and she brings a really

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interesting perspective in that
she’s that one friend who when

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this all started was like fucked
up.

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The seams fucked up we go.
Yeah.

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Are we sure?
This is what we want to do and

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she’s the one.
Who leaves and they all like,

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tell her to fuck off over it and
she even explains it as like it

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first.
They would be like, well, no

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Larry’s, helping me.
And then she would bring it up

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again later.
And they’d be like, hey fuck

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anyone who says Larry’s hurting
me and then she’d bring it up

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later and they’d be like hey
fuck you if you think Larry’s

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hurting me and if you do we can
just never talk again.

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And that’s what fucking comes to
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They just cut her off because
She’s not going for what Larry

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is selling in this house.
Oh can you imagine that guilt

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and relief you hat would have is
that woman like that.

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You didn’t try harder to help
your friends but also the relief

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that you had something in your
brain that was like nah I’m

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gonna go, you know what I mean?
Like not guilt like not that

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it’s her fault.
But like guilt is a human

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reaction to being a survivor’s.
Guilt is real, you know?

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Oh yeah, for sure.
That’s one of the things that

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makes me skeptical of talia’s
role.

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Role in this because you’re
right that she was once she had

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this group of people assembled,
she would just constantly talk

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up her dad and talk about how
great he was and how unjustly he

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was treated by the criminal
justice system and how there

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were people out to get him.
And Raven is the exception in

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that group.
Where she’s the one who almost

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immediately is, like, know, it’s
fucked up, but I feel like I

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would have maybe been like, no,
this is fucked up.

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And I feel like I know A lot of
people who would have been like

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I’m sure would have been like
nope, this I had a fucked-up

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dad.
So anytime I have like I have

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like not that fucked up of a dad
but I’m pretty fucked up down

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and anytime I have any kind of
radar of anything like that I’m

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like I’m gonna leave.
I’m gonna dip I already and I

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think that’s why I’m such like
empathy for Talia because I

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understand but see that’s where
I like I do.

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But I also question like what a
stroke of luck for Larry Ray.

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Pray that all of these people
who were so clearly kind of like

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precondition to fall for
something like this, all end up

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in the same house together.
It’s weird that he got this

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perfect group of people to do
this on, because I don’t think a

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randomly selected group of
people, I don’t think this would

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have worked as well.
Well, I don’t, I’m not

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questioning that Talia didn’t
handpick, these people to do

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this.
What I’m saying is like, the

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only example I can think of
right now.

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Is a young girl gets groomed by
a man.

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And then when she ages out, a
lot of times she goes out and

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finds a new girl for him.
That’s like, that’s a pretty

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common thing in the set, like
the sex trafficking world or the

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abuse world.
And she though, now is a

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predator, she became a predator
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knew nothing else.
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sure.
I think that’s why she was never

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charged but she for sure brought
all these people That wasn’t by

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mistake.
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a person who was perpetually
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and thought he was, you know, it
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greatest man alive and like not
only that.

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But when Talia had 02, you know,
15 that’s when your brains even

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more valuable than what these 18
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definitely brought all these
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I think she was groomed to do
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I think she’s still a victim.
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especially given her age.
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she wasn’t charged 100%.
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she’s got that stink to her
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least deserves that.
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think an abused child.
All, you know, I’d like she

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wasn’t a 40 year old woman who
like was out doing this and it

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lived in the world for a long
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She had this was all she knew
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No, I think Isabella, like the
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like, you’re a victim.
Please let us help you because

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you were a child when this was
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she’s like, nah it.
So, they, even when they were

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charging her, were calling her a
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documents, she was still victim.
Number one even know.

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Now, she’s part is, she’s
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things, so I don’t know.
I probably won’t budge on that.

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Sorry, but I think she’s a
victim.

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I just think we are not leaving
until I change her mind.

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I’m sorry.
So we’re gonna be here till ten

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years just like the Colts going
to be afraid.

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This is our cold now so one day
Talia just up and tells everyone

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that her dad’s moving in and
that’s all you ever been in that

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situation.
No you living with someone and

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they’re just like hey someone
else is moving in your like oh

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fuck certainly not their parent
but yeah maybe like my buddy

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needs to sleep on our couch for
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Yeah that is like an oh fuck and
by that point everyone One was

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so conditioned to hearing Tales
of how great Larry Ray was on

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account of Talia, they didn’t
think much of it when he moved

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in at first, because she said,
it was just going to be for a

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few days.
He was going to sleep on the

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couch and he moves in, he starts
telling them about his time in

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the CIA and how we worked with
NATO to help resolve the Kosovo

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crisis.
And how he met Mikhail Gorbachev

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and consulted him and they Talk
about how it sounded pretty

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crazy, but then he would like
whip out evidence and like show

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them letters of commendation
pictures of him with Mikhail

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Gorbachev.
So that’s the part that I, like,

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I could see.
At least some of those kids in

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Santos.
At least, just straight up says,

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like I was hooked like, I like,
I also like these kids also

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like, Again by Design.
They were chosen, like, Dan is a

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kid, I don’t know his
upbringing, but he’s a kid.

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He’s unsure of his sexuality and
a time that it’s, you know, it’s

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not as I mean, it was New York
but it still wasn’t, you know,

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ten years ago was much different
than it is now, you know

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different.
Yeah, yeah.

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And then those three kids are.
Well Felicia had moved in yet

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but the, you know Santos, they
grew up very poor in a

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one-bedroom room.
So just someone as worldly as

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Larry like seeing you and being
seen by someone like that for

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the first time course, he’s
hooked, right?

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Yeah, so then he just kind of
Moves In Without anyone ever

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announcing that he’s officially
moving in, he just like.

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Is that when Raven was like yeah
I’m gonna dip out.

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I think it was pretty soon after
that she was the one who was

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dating Dan, right?
And, yes, who is Max.

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And then the other guy, I think
they’re both people who moved

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out pretty quick also, because
there are some kids who were in

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the house who bail on this
pretty fast, and even some of

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them who at first were starting
to To get into it.

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Eventually are like, and yeah,
remember, there’s that scene

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where Dan, basically breaks up
with Raven because Larry tells

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him to in Larry, like, has him
get on the phone right then and

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there and break up with her.
And I think that’s the point

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where she finally like leaves
for good, but she had pretty

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much been out before that and
G’s with the kids that he does

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manage to keep a Rounded ends up
being around.

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Five of them.
First, Dan Santos, Claudia,

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Isabella Italia Italia.
So Larry Ray starts telling

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these kids about his philosophy
which is called quest for

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potential.
It is the system he touts, as

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being the cure to all of their
ills.

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Like he convinces these kids,
they have anything from

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depression to schizophrenia like
whatever.

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He can convince them is wrong.
It seems like that’s what he

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goes for and then just once they
believe something, he exploits

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that Claudia went I believe
Raven and was like, I’m

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schizophrenic.
I think it was right.

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And it wasn’t, it was like what?
No, you’re not.

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Like your when did this begin
who diagnosed you like?

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Very confused and she was just
like, I’ve been schizophrenic

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this whole time and yeah.
And then schizophrenic, you

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know, they’re schizophrenic,
especially if they’re not and

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And Raven tells her she’s not
Claudia’s like, well, you

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telling me I’m not
schizophrenic.

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Just makes my schizophrenia
worse.

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I don’t mean to laugh, but I
know fucking crazy.

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It’s so in again, like when you
watch this, you have to take

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into account, you’re seeing
clips and these kids lived.

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In this situation day in and day
out for, in some cases, a decade

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like that Santos, kid.
He’s going to be wrecked for

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ever.
Oh, you Can see it in his eyes.

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Yeah.
And his interview now where he’s

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just, he looks like a child.
Like he’s a grown man but he

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lives.
He looks like a child like it’s

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like I hope he gets a job.
I hope he gets to, you know,

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like I hope he gets to live some
kind of semblance of a life

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because he and they also they
said that they never they only

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ate when Larry ate and Larry was
on so much Adderall that Larry

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barely ate one thing they don’t
talk about that much in this

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version of the documentary is
the money.

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This guy had, if you look into
some of the other sources, like

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the peacock documentary, The
Articles they talk about how

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Larry, Not only would like cook
for these kids, which they do

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bring that up in this, but he
would walk around with a

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backpack that just was full of
cash and would just carry huge

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stacks of cash with him at all
times and anything, these kids

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wanted he would just like do it
at first.

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Like that’s how you get them to.
Yeah he was he was coming at

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them.
From pretty much every angle

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because there’s I don’t remember
the guy with the glasses.

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I don’t remember his name but
he’s was that Max yeah I found

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him attractive sidebar, that’s
like he married.

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Where’s he at?
Well he’s also one of the ones

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who fled pretty out early and
the only thing that got him that

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Larry was doing was the cooking.
He was like I was broke and I

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would come home and there would
be steak on the table.

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That’s pretty Ice but then once
all the other stuff started he

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was like, oh, okay.
I can get steak anywhere.

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This is pretty much for a while.
Yeah, the first person to really

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go for his shit is Isabella so
much so that they start sleeping

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in the same room.
And they and he’s like I’m

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working on her issues.
That’s why we’re in here alone

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all night and it’s just oh and
that’s hurt his daughters age.

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It’s just it’s not just that
she’s his daughters age.

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She kind of looks like his
daughter.

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Oh, yeah, and that’s why why
that’s why I died on the Talia

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Hill who the fuck knows what
happened to that little girl

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before he went to prison.
You know what I mean?

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The fact that he was just able
to just do that with yeah it

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just it key.
It’s very uncomfortable.

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Yeah.
One aspect of Larry raised

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personality that is especially
baffling to me.

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Is he recorded everything like I
get the part where he would

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record these kids confessing to
shit so he could get like

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blackmail material.
Like I understand why you do

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that if you’re trying to build
up a cult.

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Yeah, but like why we record for
example the phone call with

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isabela’s mom.
Like it’s for one thing.

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It’s a heartbreaking phone call.
He knows like Is already heard

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everything isabela’s mom did
when Isabella was a kid.

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Like isabela’s Mom was a drug
addict and an alcoholic and

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Isabella had a rough upbringing
and Larry Ray gets all this

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information and calls isabela’s
mom with Isabella, in the room

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and is like, you were a bad mom
and your daughter is going to

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commit, suicide over it if she
comes home and never sees you

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again.
So this mom is just like okay

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like I guess I don’t want my kid
to kill herself, so I guess

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don’t come home when she’s sober
at this point.

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She hadn’t been, she’s twenty
years at sober at the dock at

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the time of the dock.
So I think she was in terms of

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this point alcohol, I don’t know
in terms of drugs but either way

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like she for one thing she was
like, I didn’t have the money to

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go there.
Like I couldn’t I couldn’t go

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rescue her.
And that’s the other thing.

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He he didn’t just get kids, who
were personally selected,

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Acceptable to his kind of
shenanigans.

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He got kids, whose families were
susceptible to it, like Santos

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and elitsa and Felicia’s family
like their parents.

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Don’t even really speak English.
Like I’d yeah, don’t believe

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they spoke English during any of
the interviews.

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Like you can tell they don’t
have a lot of money and like I

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grew up super poor and I can
imagine like someone with that

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much money.
Coming into your life and not

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only offering to fix all your
problems but also now you’re

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eating good and you have nice
clothes like that’s going to go

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a long fucking way.
Like when you grow up poor you

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really want nothing else in life
except to not be poor anymore

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because being poor fucking
sucks.

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And I’m not saying that in like
some kind of jokey mocking way.

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Like if you’re poor you fucking
know it sucks.

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And yeah he like he prayed on
that to and That’s one of the

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reasons that I like that this
documentary exists because

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people need to know to watch for
shit like this.

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Yeah, because this all happens,
like it happens over the course

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of 10 years but he gets his
hooks in them fast like that.

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Mart doesn’t take 10 years.
It takes like 10 weeks at best

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and this wasn’t in the 70s.
You know what I mean?

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Like the internet existed.
Like this is like modern tie.

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Like a lot of these brainwashing
documentaries.

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You see here like, oh yeah.
I was like the kid, but, you

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know, charismatic neighbor.
And he basically took over our

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family, but it was like 1970 and
Utah.

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This is New York in 2010.
Like that’s how still it can

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happen, you know?
Yeah, and one of the first

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things he starts doing is
separating these kids from their

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support systems.
Like that’s clearly what he’s

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doing with be at the phone calls
to isabela’s Mom or even the

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thing.
Where he gets between Dan and

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Raven.
Yeah, because that point Dan I

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think even said he wasn’t super
close with his family.

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Like it was kind of just Raven.
That was, you know, his

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Confidant in life.
And so Larry gets in between

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them and gets her out of his
life and he just kind of

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systematically breaks these kids
away from their support system.

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00:25:03,600 –> 00:25:08,600
So he can become their main
support system and he does it so

429
00:25:08,700 –> 00:25:09,600
bad.
Fast.

430
00:25:09,600 –> 00:25:13,600
It’s also crazy.
Is he does it to all of them?

431
00:25:13,700 –> 00:25:16,700
Like it’s always like when you
don’t have any siblings and

432
00:25:16,700 –> 00:25:19,300
fucked up shit happens, you
can’t look at your sibling, you

433
00:25:19,300 –> 00:25:21,500
have nobody to look at me like
this fucked up, right?

434
00:25:21,800 –> 00:25:23,100
It’s always like the of
siblings.

435
00:25:23,100 –> 00:25:25,200
You can at least have that
support system that you’re in

436
00:25:25,208 –> 00:25:28,400
this.
But he somehow got these kids to

437
00:25:28,400 –> 00:25:32,600
also not talk to each other
about this stuff like fear.

438
00:25:32,600 –> 00:25:35,400
Like if you do this, this is
going to happen to, you know

439
00:25:35,408 –> 00:25:39,300
what it like he’s somehow also
got these kids not to I didn’t

440
00:25:39,300 –> 00:25:42,400
each other about how fucked up
at all was because two of them

441
00:25:42,600 –> 00:25:45,200
when they reunited they were
like, it felt so good to know

442
00:25:45,200 –> 00:25:47,500
that.
You saw what I saw getting

443
00:25:47,500 –> 00:25:50,000
talked about.
Like I don’t even begin to know

444
00:25:50,000 –> 00:25:53,400
how you would do that.
Yeah, and so, the first episode

445
00:25:53,400 –> 00:25:58,200
kind of goes through each kids
story, not every single one, but

446
00:25:58,200 –> 00:26:03,300
that first initial batch of kids
and the stuff about the

447
00:26:03,300 –> 00:26:06,600
playlist, he would make them
listen to was weird but remind

448
00:26:06,600 –> 00:26:07,800
me of that, I don’t remember
that.

449
00:26:07,800 –> 00:26:10,700
Well, I remember reading Adding
that he would wake the house up

450
00:26:10,700 –> 00:26:11,800
by.
Oh yeah.

451
00:26:11,900 –> 00:26:16,000
Making them listen to Baba
O’Riley by The Who, which is the

452
00:26:16,000 –> 00:26:19,000
Teenage Wasteland song?
It’s just, I okay.

453
00:26:19,000 –> 00:26:23,200
Remember called Baba O’Riley but
it was actually a whole playlist

454
00:26:23,200 –> 00:26:29,000
in, but it was all like really
dark like 60s, psychedelic type

455
00:26:29,000 –> 00:26:32,100
stuff or stuff along the lines
of Baba O’Riley.

456
00:26:32,300 –> 00:26:36,600
And I found that interesting
because there’s a really

457
00:26:36,600 –> 00:26:38,900
compelling conspiracy theory out
there.

458
00:26:39,300 –> 00:26:44,200
About that 60s Laurel.
Canyon seen like the doors,

459
00:26:44,500 –> 00:26:48,600
Frank Zappa.
The birds like all those 60s

460
00:26:48,600 –> 00:26:51,900
musicians who end up all
congregating and Laurel Canyon

461
00:26:52,200 –> 00:26:55,000
and sort of starting the
counterculture movement?

462
00:26:55,100 –> 00:26:59,100
I don’t know about that.
Almost all of those people are

463
00:26:59,100 –> 00:27:03,200
the children of military
intelligence people like, oh

464
00:27:03,200 –> 00:27:07,800
wow, we did an episode about it.
It’s a book now, but they’re at

465
00:27:07,800 –> 00:27:10,300
one point and it.
It still exists on the internet,

466
00:27:10,300 –> 00:27:12,900
maybe try and find it, and put
it in the show notes, but there

467
00:27:12,900 –> 00:27:18,400
is an 18 part magazine article
about all the Laurel Canyon

468
00:27:18,400 –> 00:27:24,600
stuff and how so many of those
people just weirdly have ties to

469
00:27:24,700 –> 00:27:28,800
military intelligence.
And we know from what Files

470
00:27:28,800 –> 00:27:33,400
about MKUltra were able to be
recovered that the CIA was

471
00:27:33,400 –> 00:27:37,900
pretty heavily involved in the
counterculture movement and the

472
00:27:37,900 –> 00:27:42,500
proliferation of Acid and like
the CIA ran a brothel in San

473
00:27:42,500 –> 00:27:46,700
Francisco, in the 1960s, which
is one of those things that

474
00:27:46,700 –> 00:27:50,400
people bring up is like, ho can
you believe that every time I

475
00:27:50,400 –> 00:27:53,000
think about that, my first
thought is where the women come

476
00:27:53,000 –> 00:27:57,500
from like where did the women go
after waking of sex trafficking?

477
00:27:57,500 –> 00:28:02,500
Like yeah, I did aren T, they
didn’t staff that with like CIA

478
00:28:02,500 –> 00:28:06,400
workers like yeah, when you said
that, I wasn’t like, oh

479
00:28:06,400 –> 00:28:08,800
interesting, I was like, oh
yeah.

480
00:28:09,000 –> 00:28:11,900
Yeah.
So the fact that he’s like this

481
00:28:11,900 –> 00:28:14,700
playlist is mostly music from
that era.

482
00:28:14,800 –> 00:28:17,900
Like again I’m like ah feels
like some CIA shit.

483
00:28:18,000 –> 00:28:20,700
I don’t know.
I mean it would make sense.

484
00:28:20,800 –> 00:28:24,100
I mean a lot of I mean a lot of
these guys who are sociopaths

485
00:28:24,100 –> 00:28:28,300
like he’s an obvious, you know,
psychopath like from not not for

486
00:28:28,300 –> 00:28:31,200
must be like he’s a psychopath
but like from the psychology

487
00:28:31,300 –> 00:28:33,700
actual definition of someone
who’s the sociopaths

488
00:28:33,800 –> 00:28:37,800
Psychopaths, they are good liars
and are able to do, you know,

489
00:28:37,800 –> 00:28:39,400
manipulate with lie.
Eyes.

490
00:28:39,600 –> 00:28:41,900
But a lot of this is like why
would he have?

491
00:28:42,000 –> 00:28:43,700
Here’s a picture of me and this
guy.

492
00:28:43,700 –> 00:28:46,900
Here’s here’s real palpable
proof, you know, palpable.

493
00:28:46,900 –> 00:28:48,600
Yeah.
It’s word proof.

494
00:28:48,700 –> 00:28:52,300
Yeah.
And we’ve mentioned Santos and

495
00:28:52,300 –> 00:28:55,000
you’ll Itza and Felicia a little
bit so far.

496
00:28:55,400 –> 00:28:58,600
And I think, again, it’s not a
competition, but I do think they

497
00:28:58,600 –> 00:29:03,100
are the saddest story here,
because it’s for one thing,

498
00:29:03,100 –> 00:29:08,000
three siblings at one point
Santos calls you elitsa.

499
00:29:08,200 –> 00:29:10,500
Whoo.
By her own admission was living.

500
00:29:10,500 –> 00:29:14,700
A very lonely existence at the
time she was very unhappy and he

501
00:29:14,700 –> 00:29:19,200
was like, listen, this fucking
dad that moved in to my college.

502
00:29:19,200 –> 00:29:24,200
Home has turned my whole life
around and I think if you were

503
00:29:24,200 –> 00:29:29,900
to move in with us, he could
turn your life around to and so

504
00:29:30,000 –> 00:29:34,200
she does.
And now they’re all living in a

505
00:29:34,200 –> 00:29:37,000
one-bedroom apartment in
Manhattan.

506
00:29:37,200 –> 00:29:40,500
Eventually they leave the At
Sarah Lawrence College

507
00:29:40,700 –> 00:29:43,400
residents.
This is another detail that the

508
00:29:43,400 –> 00:29:48,800
peacock documentary gets into in
a little more detail, which is

509
00:29:48,800 –> 00:29:53,000
that apartment they do finally.
In episode 2 interview, the guy

510
00:29:53,000 –> 00:29:55,300
who owned the apartment is guy
named Li Chen.

511
00:29:55,400 –> 00:29:58,600
Yeah.
And he in some way or another

512
00:29:58,600 –> 00:30:02,500
had come under the spell of
Larry at a previous point in

513
00:30:02,500 –> 00:30:06,100
life and when Larry gets
released from prison, he offers

514
00:30:06,100 –> 00:30:10,100
to let Larry crash on his couch.
This Guys, got a one-bedroom

515
00:30:10,100 –> 00:30:14,300
apartment in Manhattan and he’s
like, you can sleep on my couch

516
00:30:14,400 –> 00:30:19,500
and Larry’s like, thanks and
immediately Moves In This gaggle

517
00:30:19,900 –> 00:30:24,800
of college kids that he is
turning into a cult and they all

518
00:30:24,800 –> 00:30:28,000
move into this one bedroom
apartment, and it doesn’t come

519
00:30:28,000 –> 00:30:31,700
up in this documentary.
But Li Chen, I believe he said,

520
00:30:31,700 –> 00:30:37,400
it took four years to finally
get an actual eviction order

521
00:30:37,500 –> 00:30:39,400
against Larry.
Ray.

522
00:30:39,500 –> 00:30:43,200
Oh my God.
And then another two years

523
00:30:43,300 –> 00:30:46,900
before the police would come out
in actually enforce that

524
00:30:47,000 –> 00:30:50,100
eviction order.
So, I know it would be tempting

525
00:30:50,100 –> 00:30:54,700
to watch this documentary in
here Li Chen, his story in this

526
00:30:54,700 –> 00:30:57,100
documentary just kind of ends
with him being like.

527
00:30:57,200 –> 00:31:00,100
So I just stayed away from the
apartment mostly.

528
00:31:00,200 –> 00:31:02,700
Yeah, I thought that was, that
was a big gap of something that

529
00:31:02,700 –> 00:31:04,900
happened but so much was else is
going on that.

530
00:31:04,900 –> 00:31:07,700
I quickly forgot about it.
Yeah, yeah, they don’t mention

531
00:31:07,700 –> 00:31:11,400
it at all, but He didn’t just
like let this happen.

532
00:31:11,400 –> 00:31:15,900
He tried very, very hard to get
Larry Ray evicted from that

533
00:31:15,900 –> 00:31:19,200
apartment, but once you let
someone move in, it’s really

534
00:31:19,200 –> 00:31:23,500
hard to evict them.
So I know people might watch

535
00:31:23,500 –> 00:31:26,100
this and be like, why didn’t you
just kick him out?

536
00:31:26,200 –> 00:31:28,500
He tried.
He just did it by the letter of

537
00:31:28,500 –> 00:31:31,700
the law.
So it took six years and

538
00:31:31,700 –> 00:31:34,600
everything like if he would have
just like thrown that guy out

539
00:31:34,600 –> 00:31:38,200
with all of their stuff and
changed, the locks that also I

540
00:31:38,200 –> 00:31:41,700
think Larry Legally would have
had some grounds of something

541
00:31:41,700 –> 00:31:44,200
because like, it’s very once,
you leave someone in its

542
00:31:44,200 –> 00:31:46,500
extreme.
I mean it’s extremely hard now

543
00:31:46,800 –> 00:31:49,200
for me as like a tenant to be
evicted.

544
00:31:49,200 –> 00:31:52,600
Like it’s really like I just
don’t pay my rent and it takes a

545
00:31:52,600 –> 00:31:55,700
while for them to the laws are
insane with that.

546
00:31:55,800 –> 00:31:59,600
They touch on the property
damage stuff, a little bit in

547
00:31:59,600 –> 00:32:02,700
the first episode, one of the
things he would do is convince

548
00:32:02,700 –> 00:32:05,800
these kids that they were
damaging stuff in the apartment

549
00:32:05,800 –> 00:32:09,300
and that they were
subconsciously doing It on

550
00:32:09,300 –> 00:32:14,500
purpose to hurt him and Santos.
Gets that the worst?

551
00:32:14,500 –> 00:32:18,400
Yeah, like he.
And again, he records all of

552
00:32:18,400 –> 00:32:20,300
this.
So there’s all these recordings

553
00:32:20,300 –> 00:32:24,500
of him just berating Santos
about breaking stuff in the

554
00:32:24,500 –> 00:32:28,700
house and Santos is like will
you just like give me a clue as

555
00:32:28,700 –> 00:32:32,200
to what it was.
And that sounds weird, but one

556
00:32:32,200 –> 00:32:34,600
of the things he was convincing
these kids, he was doing was

557
00:32:34,600 –> 00:32:38,900
uncovering, repressed memories,
and he had them convinced that

558
00:32:38,900 –> 00:32:42,800
Even like, oh well, you broke a
plate, two days ago and you’ve

559
00:32:42,800 –> 00:32:46,000
since you did it to hurt me, but
now you’ve repressed that memory

560
00:32:46,000 –> 00:32:49,700
and you don’t remember.
So now you need to just admit it

561
00:32:49,800 –> 00:32:54,500
and he would just fucking brow
beat this kid until this kid.

562
00:32:54,500 –> 00:32:56,000
Would finally be like, all
right?

563
00:32:56,000 –> 00:32:58,800
Yeah man, I broke like
everything in the house and he

564
00:32:58,800 –> 00:33:02,000
does eventually come up with a
list of like everything.

565
00:33:02,000 –> 00:33:05,300
He could have possibly come into
contact with that’s what he

566
00:33:05,300 –> 00:33:07,800
broke.
And it’s like 47 thousand

567
00:33:07,800 –> 00:33:11,100
dollars worth of shit.
It, it is heartbreaking and then

568
00:33:11,100 –> 00:33:14,100
also in the video that he’s
coming up with it, other people

569
00:33:14,100 –> 00:33:17,700
are sitting next to him and
that’s like the wild thing that

570
00:33:17,700 –> 00:33:20,000
like no one was.
Like, I don’t think you did that

571
00:33:20,000 –> 00:33:24,800
because I also don’t like these
kids were so Larry that they

572
00:33:24,800 –> 00:33:27,500
just watched it happen to each
other.

573
00:33:27,800 –> 00:33:32,100
That’s the thing about Isabella,
though is where the other kids

574
00:33:32,100 –> 00:33:35,400
would just like, watch and not
say anything, like, especially

575
00:33:35,400 –> 00:33:38,700
in this moment Isabella’s, the
one who’s like, it’s black and

576
00:33:38,700 –> 00:33:39,800
white.
You’re lying.

577
00:33:39,900 –> 00:33:43,800
And every also was probably
sleeping with Larry and also was

578
00:33:43,800 –> 00:33:44,600
100%.
Yeah.

579
00:33:44,600 –> 00:33:47,900
And not getting any of this
treatment because of it.

580
00:33:47,900 –> 00:33:50,400
So there also is the survivors
mind to of.

581
00:33:50,400 –> 00:33:52,800
Just like, I don’t think it’s
even something conscious.

582
00:33:52,800 –> 00:33:56,400
I’d I just, I don’t know, I
know, I’m really heavy hitting

583
00:33:56,900 –> 00:33:59,900
standing up for these girls but
well, no, I don’t think that’s,

584
00:34:00,000 –> 00:34:03,400
that’s the wrong path to take
either like.

585
00:34:03,500 –> 00:34:07,000
I mean, there’s, there’s
multiple ways to look at it and

586
00:34:07,000 –> 00:34:11,100
obviously everyone here, Here is
a victim to some extent.

587
00:34:11,100 –> 00:34:12,900
Yeah, like there’s that guy.
There’s the Yeah.

588
00:34:12,900 –> 00:34:15,699
Well yeah, obviously everyone is
a victim of him.

589
00:34:15,699 –> 00:34:18,199
Yeah.
And yeah things get so bad with

590
00:34:18,199 –> 00:34:21,400
Santos.
He first asked his parents for

591
00:34:21,400 –> 00:34:24,800
money and they’re so broke.
They end up pawning some jewelry

592
00:34:25,100 –> 00:34:30,000
for like seven hundred dollars.
Yeah and give him $750 and all

593
00:34:30,000 –> 00:34:32,900
they have.
He he takes that to Larry and

594
00:34:32,900 –> 00:34:35,400
Larry he’s like well if you
really wanted to help you would

595
00:34:35,400 –> 00:34:38,400
get more money than that.
Like you’re not even trying so

596
00:34:38,400 –> 00:34:43,199
then, Santos Lake starts calling
all of his friends, all of his

597
00:34:43,199 –> 00:34:47,199
family, all of his associates
asking for money and one guy who

598
00:34:47,199 –> 00:34:50,900
was a friend, who lived in the
house initially was like he

599
00:34:50,900 –> 00:34:53,600
called and asked me for like
twenty five thousand dollars.

600
00:34:54,000 –> 00:34:58,900
I was working as like, a barista
at the time I didn’t have it and

601
00:34:58,900 –> 00:35:00,600
it’s the last time I ever heard
from him.

602
00:35:00,600 –> 00:35:02,800
Highly sad.
Very sad shit.

603
00:35:02,800 –> 00:35:05,200
Dad.
By the way, that guy was a shade

604
00:35:05,200 –> 00:35:07,000
two giggly throughout the whole
time.

605
00:35:07,000 –> 00:35:08,700
He was being interviewed a
little bit.

606
00:35:08,800 –> 00:35:10,000
Yeah.
Yeah, he was a little too.

607
00:35:10,000 –> 00:35:13,200
Like this is wild dude.
Like it was just like, okay,

608
00:35:13,300 –> 00:35:16,400
you’re the only one that doesn’t
seem like you care as much as

609
00:35:16,400 –> 00:35:19,300
the other like Max and Raven
were like, this is

610
00:35:19,300 –> 00:35:21,800
heartbreaking.
We should have done more and

611
00:35:21,800 –> 00:35:24,200
this guy’s like, live it up.
Well, I don’t know that every

612
00:35:24,200 –> 00:35:27,800
time he was on the screen that’s
like fucking hate that guy at

613
00:35:27,800 –> 00:35:31,300
the beginning of episode 2, they
bring up Bernard kerik who is in

614
00:35:31,308 –> 00:35:34,500
okay, interests confused by
figure in this story.

615
00:35:34,700 –> 00:35:36,900
Okay?
I was so confused by that.

616
00:35:36,900 –> 00:35:39,400
Well, I was like, was I supposed
to is that Buddy, I’m supposed

617
00:35:39,400 –> 00:35:44,300
to know or is used to be the
chief of the NYPD.

618
00:35:44,400 –> 00:35:46,500
Okay.
And he’s like a big political

619
00:35:46,500 –> 00:35:49,300
figure in New York, but he also,
I think went to prison for a

620
00:35:49,308 –> 00:35:51,300
little bit.
Like he’s, yeah, he’s

621
00:35:51,300 –> 00:35:55,700
well-known, he’s like a less
less cartoonish Rudy Giuliani.

622
00:35:55,800 –> 00:35:59,900
Sort of like, he’s one of those
like New York figures, he and

623
00:35:59,900 –> 00:36:03,800
Larry Ray used to be friends.
Larry was the best man at Bernie

624
00:36:03,800 –> 00:36:08,100
kerik sweating eventually, those
two have a falling out and

625
00:36:08,100 –> 00:36:12,600
Bernie kerik Eric becomes a
central figure in this household

626
00:36:12,600 –> 00:36:17,600
in that Larry starts on top of
convincing these kids that their

627
00:36:17,600 –> 00:36:20,600
Blake breaking stuff and doing
things to hurt him.

628
00:36:20,600 –> 00:36:25,400
He also convinces them that
either they or in some cases,

629
00:36:25,400 –> 00:36:31,300
their parents are working in
conspiracy with Bernie kerik to

630
00:36:31,300 –> 00:36:35,200
hurt him and it gets to the
point where these kids start

631
00:36:35,200 –> 00:36:38,300
admitting to it.
They’re like yep, I met with

632
00:36:38,300 –> 00:36:41,000
Bernie.
Eric when I was a kid and my

633
00:36:41,000 –> 00:36:46,200
family has been working against
you ever since and just like

634
00:36:46,200 –> 00:36:50,000
making shit up.
Did they ever get a comment from

635
00:36:50,000 –> 00:36:52,600
Bernie kerik Karen?
Yeah, they interview him in

636
00:36:52,600 –> 00:36:54,800
this.
Okay, how did I miss that whole

637
00:36:54,800 –> 00:36:56,700
thing?
Okay, well he looks radically

638
00:36:56,700 –> 00:37:00,500
different in his like he looks
way different now than he did in

639
00:37:00,500 –> 00:37:02,800
the footage, you see?
So when they’re interviewing

640
00:37:02,800 –> 00:37:04,700
him, it looks like a different
person.

641
00:37:04,700 –> 00:37:07,300
He’s like an old white guy
that’s like, oh yeah, he was

642
00:37:07,400 –> 00:37:08,700
bald now.
Yeah, ball.

643
00:37:08,800 –> 00:37:09,500
Old.
Yeah, okay.

644
00:37:09,500 –> 00:37:10,900
Okay.
And he was like, yeah, we were

645
00:37:10,900 –> 00:37:14,100
friends and he was, he seemed
like a powerful guy at a lot of

646
00:37:14,107 –> 00:37:15,300
money.
Yeah.

647
00:37:15,400 –> 00:37:18,100
But they move away from that
pretty quick, which I found a

648
00:37:18,100 –> 00:37:20,700
little disappointing.
I wanted to know more about his

649
00:37:20,800 –> 00:37:23,800
Connections in that way, which
also holds up with your whole

650
00:37:23,800 –> 00:37:26,700
conspiracy theory, by the way.
Yeah, I think so.

651
00:37:26,800 –> 00:37:28,800
Yeah.
And this is also where they

652
00:37:28,800 –> 00:37:33,200
talked to Li Chen Li Chen has a
really interesting quote, we’re

653
00:37:33,300 –> 00:37:37,000
early on when Larry moved all
these kids into the apartment Li

654
00:37:37,000 –> 00:37:42,000
Chen was like why?
Are you so interested in this

655
00:37:42,000 –> 00:37:47,200
group of college kids and Larry
raised, quote, was you, and I

656
00:37:47,200 –> 00:37:53,200
can only do so much, but I’m
building an army and that feels

657
00:37:53,200 –> 00:37:56,400
like more CIA shit in building
an army.

658
00:37:56,400 –> 00:37:59,300
For what, like, why wasn’t that
guy like, get out of my house?

659
00:37:59,600 –> 00:38:01,800
I mean, I’m sure he’d a billion
times said that.

660
00:38:01,800 –> 00:38:03,900
And there’s yeah but yeah, that
that made me.

661
00:38:04,100 –> 00:38:05,600
That was one of the times that I
went.

662
00:38:05,600 –> 00:38:08,600
Why am I watching this?
Yeah, it is.

663
00:38:08,800 –> 00:38:14,400
It’s weird and it’s all related
because at one point, he starts

664
00:38:14,400 –> 00:38:18,900
tying Santos to to destroying
his stuff to Bernie kerik and he

665
00:38:18,908 –> 00:38:22,700
starts implying that they were
conspiring together to ruin

666
00:38:22,900 –> 00:38:26,000
Larry’s life.
And Santos is the first one who

667
00:38:26,000 –> 00:38:29,800
starts making up stories about
him meeting with Bernie kerik

668
00:38:29,800 –> 00:38:33,300
when he clearly did not, and he
said, it was just so Larry would

669
00:38:33,300 –> 00:38:36,800
stop interrogating him.
And hey, that’s how torture

670
00:38:36,800 –> 00:38:39,900
works.
Yeah, we found That out during

671
00:38:39,900 –> 00:38:44,000
the war on terror, there were
several high-profile instances

672
00:38:44,000 –> 00:38:48,400
where we tortured people in got
information and then found out

673
00:38:48,400 –> 00:38:51,700
well, they just told us that.
So we would stop torturing them

674
00:38:51,800 –> 00:38:53,900
sweets up, waterboarding them or
like what?

675
00:38:53,900 –> 00:38:56,200
Yeah, and it’s that he was
writing out.

676
00:38:56,200 –> 00:38:59,100
Confessions to, like, not Larry,
didn’t just have videos.

677
00:38:59,100 –> 00:39:02,000
He had confession, like right
hand written confessions from

678
00:39:02,000 –> 00:39:04,500
these kids.
Yeah, he gets hand written

679
00:39:04,500 –> 00:39:07,400
confessions.
He gets video confessions, and

680
00:39:07,400 –> 00:39:11,400
that absolutely is some.
Cole shit like that’s Jonestown.

681
00:39:11,400 –> 00:39:15,900
Did that Scientology does that
like every cult you can name one

682
00:39:15,900 –> 00:39:18,300
of the first things they’re
going to do is be like hey you

683
00:39:18,300 –> 00:39:21,500
know just in the name of like
clearing your conscience and

684
00:39:21,500 –> 00:39:23,900
clearing your soul.
How about you write down every

685
00:39:23,900 –> 00:39:29,000
bad thing you’ve ever done in
life and then just ology totally

686
00:39:29,000 –> 00:39:31,900
does that?
Yeah, and they do it because if

687
00:39:31,900 –> 00:39:34,600
you ever act up they have all of
the dirt.

688
00:39:34,600 –> 00:39:36,600
They need on you to ruin your
life.

689
00:39:36,700 –> 00:39:40,700
But when you’re in those Early
stages where it seems like

690
00:39:40,700 –> 00:39:43,800
they’re helping.
I can see how slipping in.

691
00:39:43,900 –> 00:39:46,500
Oh, here’s another exercise.
Just write down all the bad shit

692
00:39:46,500 –> 00:39:49,200
you’ve ever done.
You know it’s just like expunges

693
00:39:49,200 –> 00:39:50,700
it from your soul.
It’s fine.

694
00:39:50,800 –> 00:39:53,600
And it’s like trusting and
you’re like this is helping me

695
00:39:53,600 –> 00:39:55,700
and I love it.
So that’s a good.

696
00:39:55,700 –> 00:39:59,300
Yeah.
God and so Isabella versus

697
00:39:59,300 –> 00:40:01,600
Felicia, that’s an interesting
story.

698
00:40:01,600 –> 00:40:05,600
Isabella had kind of positioned
herself as Larry Ray’s

699
00:40:05,600 –> 00:40:07,000
girlfriend.
Yeah.

700
00:40:07,000 –> 00:40:11,600
But then at one point, Point
Larry gets his hooks into

701
00:40:11,600 –> 00:40:18,500
Felicia, who is the older sister
of elitsa and Santos and they

702
00:40:18,500 –> 00:40:21,200
first meet because she just
flies out to visit.

703
00:40:21,200 –> 00:40:26,500
She’s living in l.a. at the time
she the way she described it was

704
00:40:26,700 –> 00:40:30,700
approximately two weeks away
from becoming a doctor.

705
00:40:30,800 –> 00:40:34,900
Like she’s doing a residence
Columbia and Harvard, right

706
00:40:34,900 –> 00:40:38,600
Columbia and Harvard and was
doing a residency at USC.

707
00:40:38,800 –> 00:40:42,200
Like she grew up dirt, poor and
then came up from nothing.

708
00:40:42,200 –> 00:40:45,200
I mean, I think she’s one of the
most heartbreaking stories.

709
00:40:45,600 –> 00:40:49,300
I think so too.
Because she’s like, right on the

710
00:40:49,300 –> 00:40:54,700
cusp of achieving all of her
dreams, and then she meets Larry

711
00:40:54,700 –> 00:41:00,000
Ray, and they strike up a
long-distance relationship, and

712
00:41:00,000 –> 00:41:05,100
she essentially becomes his
girlfriend and with about two

713
00:41:05,100 –> 00:41:07,800
weeks to go and her residency.
So, two weeks before she

714
00:41:07,800 –> 00:41:11,000
becomes.
An actual medical doctor,

715
00:41:11,000 –> 00:41:14,100
achieves all of her dreams in
life.

716
00:41:14,100 –> 00:41:18,900
She leaves The Residency and
moves into this one-bedroom

717
00:41:18,900 –> 00:41:22,300
apartment.
In Manhattan to become Larry.

718
00:41:22,300 –> 00:41:27,000
Ray’s girlfriend gets there and
is immediately sharing a bed

719
00:41:27,000 –> 00:41:31,000
with Larry and Isabella.
But how he got her there?

720
00:41:31,300 –> 00:41:34,900
He convinces her that she’s
being followed and they’re going

721
00:41:34,900 –> 00:41:37,900
to murder her.
And that like, he convinces her,

722
00:41:37,900 –> 00:41:40,600
she’s not Safe in California
without him.

723
00:41:40,700 –> 00:41:43,900
So that’s why she and so now
she’s like, on her brakes with

724
00:41:44,100 –> 00:41:46,500
doing residency, she’s coming
out and she’s talking to Larry,

725
00:41:46,500 –> 00:41:48,800
she’s crying.
She’s like, I think people are

726
00:41:48,800 –> 00:41:52,400
following me all this stuff and
then she’s like, they’re paging

727
00:41:52,400 –> 00:41:53,900
me.
I have to go back into the

728
00:41:53,900 –> 00:41:56,800
hospital.
And so, then she eventually, I

729
00:41:56,808 –> 00:41:58,600
think she eventually gets let
go.

730
00:41:58,600 –> 00:42:02,000
Because she’s like, or she lie.
She either leaves, but then she

731
00:42:02,000 –> 00:42:03,900
tries to come back and they’re
like, no, you can’t.

732
00:42:03,900 –> 00:42:07,200
Yeah, and but that’s how he gets
her away as he gets her.

733
00:42:07,200 –> 00:42:11,200
So paranoid, That people are
after her because the him and

734
00:42:11,200 –> 00:42:15,000
that she’s so unsafe and she’s
like, I’m starting to believe

735
00:42:15,000 –> 00:42:17,800
they’re following me.
Yeah, and the footage of her

736
00:42:17,800 –> 00:42:22,400
when she finally arrives at the
apartment is horrifying like a

737
00:42:22,400 –> 00:42:25,900
different human because she’s
just pictures crying

738
00:42:25,900 –> 00:42:29,500
uncontrollably.
And talking like you can tell

739
00:42:29,500 –> 00:42:33,800
it’s fucking gibberish about
people who are plotting to kill

740
00:42:33,800 –> 00:42:37,500
her and you can tell from how
hysterical she is that there

741
00:42:37,500 –> 00:42:41,200
aren’t people.
To kill her like in it.

742
00:42:41,300 –> 00:42:44,700
One of the things I found really
interesting that I also think

743
00:42:44,700 –> 00:42:47,900
speaks to Larry re being on some
CIA shit.

744
00:42:48,000 –> 00:42:52,300
Felicia wasn’t just doing a
medical residency.

745
00:42:52,300 –> 00:42:58,600
She was doing a psychology
residency so if anyone should

746
00:42:58,600 –> 00:43:03,500
have been able to see through
his shit and put a stop to it,

747
00:43:03,700 –> 00:43:07,300
it should have been her.
It is brilliant woman already

748
00:43:07,300 –> 00:43:12,300
and then also I add the
education, one of the reasons

749
00:43:12,300 –> 00:43:16,600
Felicia and Larry re-bonded.
She was a psychologist

750
00:43:16,700 –> 00:43:20,100
essentially, or on the verge of
being a Faria psychologist.

751
00:43:20,200 –> 00:43:23,800
And she said she would talk to
Larry about psychology and he

752
00:43:23,800 –> 00:43:26,400
could just like keep up with her
beat for beat.

753
00:43:26,400 –> 00:43:29,500
Oh yeah.
And I feel like that also speaks

754
00:43:29,500 –> 00:43:32,100
to this being some CIA type
shit.

755
00:43:32,100 –> 00:43:34,100
Like what about though?
They said that they looked up

756
00:43:34,100 –> 00:43:39,400
his met, his old records and I’m
not remembering like It but

757
00:43:39,400 –> 00:43:41,900
where they had interviewed him
where it was like, they looked

758
00:43:41,900 –> 00:43:44,600
into him and a lot of it was
like, we can’t even explain.

759
00:43:44,600 –> 00:43:47,900
This person’s psyche, like,
doctor records from.

760
00:43:48,200 –> 00:43:50,600
We can’t even explain this
person.

761
00:43:50,700 –> 00:43:53,800
Well, there was yeah, there’s
something in one of his medical

762
00:43:53,800 –> 00:43:57,700
records, where a psychologist or
psychiatrist.

763
00:43:57,700 –> 00:44:02,000
Essentially said, there’s not
really any point in trying to

764
00:44:02,000 –> 00:44:06,000
like evaluate him, because he’s
able to manipulate any

765
00:44:06,000 –> 00:44:08,500
situation.
You get him in that ad.

766
00:44:08,600 –> 00:44:10,100
Adds to your whole Theory.
Yeah.

767
00:44:10,100 –> 00:44:15,700
Speaking of horrifying, one of
the videos we see in this is a

768
00:44:15,700 –> 00:44:19,500
video of him abusing Dan with a
pair of pliers.

769
00:44:19,500 –> 00:44:24,800
And as horrible as the part
where he clamps the pliers on to

770
00:44:24,800 –> 00:44:28,400
Dan’s, tongue is the part that
was even worse to me was.

771
00:44:28,400 –> 00:44:32,500
After he unhooked it, he kept
like just sort of hit and Dan in

772
00:44:32,500 –> 00:44:37,100
the stomach with the pliers and
like eventually Dan starts like

773
00:44:37,100 –> 00:44:41,900
flinching in Wave it like people
never should like you should

774
00:44:41,900 –> 00:44:46,000
never be that scared of a person
who’s like especially not

775
00:44:46,000 –> 00:44:49,400
personal.
Yeah yeah well it reminded me of

776
00:44:49,400 –> 00:44:51,900
at one point a few years ago,
there were all these viral

777
00:44:51,900 –> 00:44:56,400
videos of dogs in China that
would like walk on their hind

778
00:44:56,400 –> 00:44:58,900
legs.
Like only they would only walk

779
00:44:58,900 –> 00:45:02,400
on their hind legs and people
are like oh my God, so cute.

780
00:45:02,500 –> 00:45:06,000
And then someone posted a video
of how they train dogs to do

781
00:45:06,000 –> 00:45:09,800
that and what they do is stand
them up in a a corner on their

782
00:45:09,800 –> 00:45:12,100
hind legs.
And whenever they try to get

783
00:45:12,100 –> 00:45:14,900
down, they hit him in the
stomach with a shoe.

784
00:45:15,000 –> 00:45:16,800
God, I can’t hear that.
I’m sorry.

785
00:45:17,100 –> 00:45:20,000
I can’t I just want to go ahead
my cat in it.

786
00:45:20,000 –> 00:45:24,400
Like seeing Dan in that
situation reminded me of those

787
00:45:24,500 –> 00:45:29,100
videos like, yeah, buse, he
broke that guy down to the point

788
00:45:29,100 –> 00:45:33,400
of a fucking two-legged poodle,
but Dan is one of the people

789
00:45:33,400 –> 00:45:37,400
also, who among that core group?
He’s one of the first also to

790
00:45:37,400 –> 00:45:40,200
get the fuck out of there.
He just like wandered Up on the

791
00:45:40,200 –> 00:45:42,700
Roof one night and was like,
either can jump or I can just

792
00:45:42,700 –> 00:45:46,100
walk out with all all that I
have on my back and that’s it,

793
00:45:46,100 –> 00:45:48,900
right?
Yeah he said for some reason he

794
00:45:48,900 –> 00:45:52,800
was Home Alone one night which
like almost never happened.

795
00:45:52,800 –> 00:45:55,200
And yeah, he went up to the roof
and was like I could I could get

796
00:45:55,200 –> 00:45:57,600
out of this by just killing
myself and then he’s like that

797
00:45:57,800 –> 00:46:02,100
or I can just leave and he said
that he hadn’t been able to have

798
00:46:02,100 –> 00:46:05,100
those thoughts because he was
never alone.

799
00:46:05,100 –> 00:46:08,000
So, there was never a moment
where his brain could go.

800
00:46:08,200 –> 00:46:12,700
Hey, You I’m in here, still can.
Let’s get the fuck out of here.

801
00:46:12,700 –> 00:46:15,200
What do you do?
Like he was just constant noise

802
00:46:15,200 –> 00:46:19,300
come and know like, sleeping odd
hours and eating weird like, odd

803
00:46:19,300 –> 00:46:21,700
times.
And like, yeah, and that’s one

804
00:46:21,700 –> 00:46:24,700
of the things that’s so
frightening about this to me,

805
00:46:24,700 –> 00:46:27,900
because I keep saying it, but
we’re seeing three hours of

806
00:46:27,900 –> 00:46:32,600
footage of this and like think
about what you just said, like

807
00:46:32,700 –> 00:46:38,000
that was the first moment Dan
was even alone enough to think,

808
00:46:38,100 –> 00:46:41,100
okay.
Have options for leaving and I

809
00:46:41,100 –> 00:46:43,100
know people.
There are people that will watch

810
00:46:43,100 –> 00:46:46,900
this and be like, why didn’t you
just walk out the fucking door

811
00:46:46,900 –> 00:46:51,000
and like when you’re living in
that situation all the time?

812
00:46:51,000 –> 00:46:52,700
That’s not even.
It’s not even going to be an

813
00:46:52,700 –> 00:46:54,700
option.
Like no, you don’t even you

814
00:46:54,700 –> 00:46:57,900
don’t even have you don’t even
have the quietness in your

815
00:46:57,900 –> 00:46:59,500
brain.
Like there’s so many things

816
00:46:59,500 –> 00:47:02,200
happening in your brain.
That are like at one point

817
00:47:02,200 –> 00:47:05,500
Felicia was talking about
memories and she was like, I got

818
00:47:05,500 –> 00:47:06,900
to stop myself.
I’m sorry.

819
00:47:06,900 –> 00:47:10,600
That was Larry brain.
Let me rephrase it like so it’s

820
00:47:10,600 –> 00:47:15,100
like these kids had the brain is
so malleable and it’s so fragile

821
00:47:15,100 –> 00:47:18,900
and it’s so you know and he just
walked out he just walked out

822
00:47:18,900 –> 00:47:22,000
and I don’t know what happened
to him right after that but I

823
00:47:22,000 –> 00:47:25,600
know what happened to me later
but yeah so fucking

824
00:47:25,600 –> 00:47:28,000
heartbreaking.
So the the next thing that

825
00:47:28,000 –> 00:47:31,900
happens at least in the
documentary timeline is

826
00:47:31,900 –> 00:47:36,200
Claudia’s video.
Confession about poisoning

827
00:47:36,200 –> 00:47:39,200
everyone in the house.
The people in the House.

828
00:47:39,300 –> 00:47:43,400
Like they hear this and some of
them especially like Isabella

829
00:47:43,400 –> 00:47:47,400
and Felicia are like for a long
time are like yeah man Claudia

830
00:47:47,400 –> 00:47:52,100
was poisoning us and that’s why
I’m like this like, right?

831
00:47:52,200 –> 00:47:58,200
And as a means of making amends
for poisoning everyone, Claudia

832
00:47:58,200 –> 00:48:03,900
becomes a sex worker and over
the course of several years ends

833
00:48:03,900 –> 00:48:07,100
up giving Larry re more than a
million dollars.

834
00:48:07,200 –> 00:48:08,400
I think more that I think over
it.

835
00:48:08,600 –> 00:48:11,600
Like one year was like 700,000.
Yeah, another yeah.

836
00:48:11,600 –> 00:48:15,900
It was like and like each year,
it was like a crazy amount of

837
00:48:15,900 –> 00:48:18,400
money and she’s just like, this
is a thing.

838
00:48:18,400 –> 00:48:22,600
The peacock documentary gives a
little more detail on like it’s

839
00:48:22,600 –> 00:48:25,300
not just that she was doing sex
work for him.

840
00:48:25,400 –> 00:48:30,500
She was doing it like 14 hours a
day, every day for years and

841
00:48:30,500 –> 00:48:36,500
years and years.
And that thing where is they

842
00:48:36,500 –> 00:48:40,500
briefly touch on this incident,
Where I think she was trying to

843
00:48:40,500 –> 00:48:43,500
leave because what doesn’t come
up in this documentary.

844
00:48:43,500 –> 00:48:48,600
She had a client who I think was
also like a journalist or

845
00:48:48,600 –> 00:48:53,500
something like that.
And they like form this Bond and

846
00:48:53,600 –> 00:48:57,700
he eventually is like I can
fucking help you escape if you

847
00:48:57,700 –> 00:49:01,700
need to and they both.
How long was he paying for sex

848
00:49:01,700 –> 00:49:03,600
with her before?
He was like most probably your

849
00:49:03,600 –> 00:49:07,100
moral I could help you.
Yeah sorry that’s like a that’s

850
00:49:07,100 –> 00:49:10,800
a sidebar but Jesus Yes.
But that incident that they

851
00:49:10,800 –> 00:49:15,600
briefly touch on here where
Isabella and Larry show up at

852
00:49:15,600 –> 00:49:18,100
her hotel room and like tie her
to a chair.

853
00:49:18,100 –> 00:49:21,700
They have video of that in the
peacock documentary.

854
00:49:21,800 –> 00:49:27,400
And so the video, well they only
show Isabella and Larry leaving

855
00:49:27,400 –> 00:49:33,000
the room and the camera is like,
on Claudia’s face, but you see

856
00:49:33,000 –> 00:49:34,900
some of it.
I don’t know why.

857
00:49:34,900 –> 00:49:37,900
They don’t go into more detail
about that incident here, but

858
00:49:37,900 –> 00:49:42,200
it’s Pretty fucking heroin.
Like she was tortured by at

859
00:49:42,200 –> 00:49:47,400
least by Larry, but Isabella was
in the room and it seems like

860
00:49:47,400 –> 00:49:52,300
she may be participated in it,
also that I think is the most

861
00:49:52,300 –> 00:49:56,600
worthwhile thing about watching
both documentaries is to hear

862
00:49:56,800 –> 00:50:00,400
more about Claudia’s story
because they feel like they

863
00:50:00,400 –> 00:50:03,900
really do sort of gloss over it.
In his heart, he was like one of

864
00:50:03,908 –> 00:50:07,800
the main, the only the sex
trafficking charge like the big

865
00:50:07,800 –> 00:50:08,900
charge.
That.

866
00:50:08,900 –> 00:50:12,500
Yeah, it was all the audio go to
prison for the rest of his life

867
00:50:12,500 –> 00:50:14,500
like sex chart.
Sex trafficking is like the

868
00:50:14,500 –> 00:50:17,500
highest one, right?
I’m wondering if the reason why

869
00:50:17,500 –> 00:50:21,100
they didn’t touch too much on
her on this, this Hulu is

870
00:50:21,100 –> 00:50:24,100
because it’s the main reason he
went to prison for.

871
00:50:24,100 –> 00:50:25,800
He’s going to prison for.
As long as he is sex,

872
00:50:25,800 –> 00:50:28,400
trafficking is the highest
charge, right?

873
00:50:28,400 –> 00:50:30,300
Right.
And I’m wondering, if Claudia

874
00:50:30,300 –> 00:50:34,400
didn’t want to be a part of this
documentary and maybe these

875
00:50:34,400 –> 00:50:37,000
documentary orders.
I don’t know these filmmakers, I

876
00:50:37,000 –> 00:50:39,900
don’t like wanted.
Yeah, why To don’t know why I

877
00:50:39,900 –> 00:50:44,500
tried to make a word wanted to
respect her privacy by just

878
00:50:44,500 –> 00:50:46,600
glossing over this.
Like being like, we don’t need

879
00:50:46,600 –> 00:50:50,100
to this woman doesn’t want to be
a part of this, so maybe we just

880
00:50:50,100 –> 00:50:54,900
tell as much as we need to tell
out of respect for this victim.

881
00:50:55,000 –> 00:50:58,800
Yeah, that could very well be
and if so I respect that choice.

882
00:50:58,900 –> 00:51:02,000
Yeah.
Same and so, that actually ends

883
00:51:02,000 –> 00:51:08,400
up kind of being Larry’s undoing
because Raven sees this video

884
00:51:08,500 –> 00:51:11,800
And is like, I don’t remember
being poisoned.

885
00:51:11,900 –> 00:51:15,500
That sounds weird.
What’s going on in Claudia’s

886
00:51:15,500 –> 00:51:19,900
life, and she starts doing some
internet sleuthing and finds a

887
00:51:19,900 –> 00:51:25,300
phone number on one of Claudia’s
videos and Google’s that phone

888
00:51:25,300 –> 00:51:31,700
number and finds that it is tied
to an escort profile and that

889
00:51:31,700 –> 00:51:36,500
escort profile belongs to
Claudia and that’s how they find

890
00:51:36,500 –> 00:51:41,200
out that she is.
Being sex trafficked, Raven

891
00:51:41,300 –> 00:51:44,800
tries to call the police?
Yeah, they don’t in the police.

892
00:51:44,800 –> 00:51:48,100
She says her own words.
Are the police laughed it off?

893
00:51:48,200 –> 00:51:51,300
So then tell us again, why we
don’t like police.

894
00:51:51,300 –> 00:51:56,100
Yeah, God, exactly.
So then she calls a reporter

895
00:51:56,100 –> 00:52:00,600
friend who also graduated from
Sarah Lawrence College.

896
00:52:00,600 –> 00:52:06,200
And that is the point where
everything falls apart for Larry

897
00:52:06,200 –> 00:52:10,800
Ray because what eventually Is
Larry raised undoing is the

898
00:52:10,800 –> 00:52:14,700
articles that came out about
this in, I want to say it was.

899
00:52:14,700 –> 00:52:21,400
New York Magazine was the first
article and that’s when this,

900
00:52:21,900 –> 00:52:23,900
that’s when things fell apart
for Larry.

901
00:52:23,900 –> 00:52:26,800
Well, he was able to be like
y’all interview with you.

902
00:52:27,000 –> 00:52:30,900
But look, I have all of these
handwritten confession so I’m

903
00:52:30,900 –> 00:52:33,400
clearly fine.
These kids are the ones that are

904
00:52:33,400 –> 00:52:36,900
like, that’s when that stuff
came in and then they also moved

905
00:52:36,900 –> 00:52:39,300
to that house in New Jersey at
Point.

906
00:52:39,300 –> 00:52:43,800
Yeah, I forgot about that at one
point, they do that’s Dan’s

907
00:52:43,800 –> 00:52:47,000
gone.
Now it’s just Felicia elitsa and

908
00:52:47,000 –> 00:52:50,500
full and Santos and Isabella,
right?

909
00:52:50,600 –> 00:52:54,300
And so this article comes out
and I think that’s where they

910
00:52:54,300 –> 00:52:57,400
arrest Larry Ray, is that the
house in New Jersey that?

911
00:52:57,500 –> 00:52:59,400
Yeah.
Not only did they all lose 20.

912
00:52:59,600 –> 00:53:02,500
Not only, did they all move to
this house, but he also makes

913
00:53:02,500 –> 00:53:06,200
the kids like renovated in like
hardcore renovated.

914
00:53:06,200 –> 00:53:09,100
Like Landscaping.
The whole thing, and That’s when

915
00:53:09,400 –> 00:53:12,900
I think Santos up and left and
you lead to up and left soon

916
00:53:12,900 –> 00:53:14,600
after I don’t remember who left
first.

917
00:53:14,600 –> 00:53:18,400
But I think he leads a one-night
just walked out and he kept

918
00:53:18,400 –> 00:53:21,200
walking and then started hiding
from what she assumed they were

919
00:53:21,200 –> 00:53:22,900
going to call the police.
Yeah.

920
00:53:22,900 –> 00:53:26,000
And I think when that happens
Santos was like, you’re going

921
00:53:26,000 –> 00:53:28,900
to, you’re going to be in
trouble and she was like, no I’m

922
00:53:28,900 –> 00:53:31,800
not you can leave too.
And he eventually walked out.

923
00:53:31,800 –> 00:53:35,000
He’s like, I walked out with
just the clothes on my back and

924
00:53:35,200 –> 00:53:39,200
at the point where Larry Goetz,
Rested.

925
00:53:39,300 –> 00:53:42,700
Its kind of just Felicia and
Isabella left.

926
00:53:42,700 –> 00:53:46,500
They’re both in the house and
they’re like Sister Wives at

927
00:53:46,500 –> 00:53:49,000
this point like they were like,
they share Larry because they’re

928
00:53:49,000 –> 00:53:54,000
like we should get a dog and
that is the big selling point of

929
00:53:54,000 –> 00:53:57,500
this version of the Sarah
Lawrence College cult

930
00:53:57,500 –> 00:54:00,600
documentaries.
Whereas the peacock, one delves

931
00:54:00,600 –> 00:54:05,200
into Claudia’s stuff.
A little more heavily, none of

932
00:54:05,400 –> 00:54:09,100
this stuff with Felicia and
Isabella, like the Reviews.

933
00:54:09,100 –> 00:54:12,900
They’re not interviewed in it
like oh Felicia and Isabella

934
00:54:12,900 –> 00:54:18,600
just get kind of a blurb at the
end whereas in this like they’re

935
00:54:18,600 –> 00:54:21,900
actually interviewed in it and
when they’re first interviewed

936
00:54:21,900 –> 00:54:26,600
they’re both still deep into it.
Like they’re both still they’re

937
00:54:26,600 –> 00:54:30,000
going to find Justice for Larry
that’s gonna yeah they are

938
00:54:30,000 –> 00:54:35,000
devoted followers of Larry Ray
and they interview them at the

939
00:54:35,008 –> 00:54:40,000
beginning of episode 3 and not
long after After that interview

940
00:54:40,100 –> 00:54:45,200
is when Felicia starts, changing
her tune because she still very

941
00:54:45,200 –> 00:54:48,200
smart.
Like she fell into a very bad

942
00:54:48,200 –> 00:54:52,500
situation but she’s also smart
enough to know that when her

943
00:54:52,500 –> 00:54:57,800
lawyers come to her and go hey
don’t say another fucking word.

944
00:54:57,800 –> 00:55:02,300
Like what you just said on this
documentary, I feel like that

945
00:55:02,300 –> 00:55:05,800
flipped a switch in her head
where she was like, don’t see

946
00:55:05,800 –> 00:55:08,900
Isabella again like she moved
out and Isabella was Like do you

947
00:55:08,900 –> 00:55:10,300
want ass?
And she was like I just need to

948
00:55:10,300 –> 00:55:12,800
not be like again.
I think the same thing with Dan

949
00:55:12,800 –> 00:55:16,100
like the brain, finally was
quiet and was able to be like,

950
00:55:16,100 –> 00:55:21,800
yo, yeah.
And episode 3, it deals mostly

951
00:55:21,800 –> 00:55:28,500
with the aftermath for Isabella
and Felicia, she was in a cult

952
00:55:28,700 –> 00:55:32,900
and it takes a long time to
extract someone from that

953
00:55:32,900 –> 00:55:35,400
situation.
When they first interview her,

954
00:55:35,400 –> 00:55:38,900
she’s still calling Larry Ray,
her husband and They weren’t

955
00:55:38,900 –> 00:55:42,800
even married and she’s like,
like I said, like when she liked

956
00:55:42,800 –> 00:55:45,000
was later when she was better,
or not better.

957
00:55:45,000 –> 00:55:47,300
But she would start to tell a
story and be like, wait a

958
00:55:47,308 –> 00:55:49,400
minute, I’m sorry, I have to
rephrase.

959
00:55:49,400 –> 00:55:53,300
That’s Larry brain.
I yeah, I have two voices in my

960
00:55:53,300 –> 00:55:56,200
head and one is still like,
you’re in a fucking cult, you

961
00:55:56,207 –> 00:55:57,900
were brainwashed, it’s gonna
take.

962
00:55:57,900 –> 00:56:01,000
Yeah.
And at this point, Isabella and

963
00:56:01,000 –> 00:56:04,700
Felicia are living together and
they’re both still completely

964
00:56:04,700 –> 00:56:07,500
devoted to Larry.
But then that interview happens

965
00:56:07,500 –> 00:56:10,400
and that’s when Felicia His
lawyers get involved in our

966
00:56:10,400 –> 00:56:16,000
like, nah, you need to separate
yourself from this and it gets

967
00:56:16,100 –> 00:56:19,300
like the deeper.
They get into Felicia’s Story,

968
00:56:19,400 –> 00:56:23,200
the documentary gets almost kind
of heartwarming.

969
00:56:23,200 –> 00:56:27,000
There are some very sweet
moments where this family like

970
00:56:27,000 –> 00:56:31,000
finally sort of reconcile
because it’s not just that Larry

971
00:56:31,000 –> 00:56:32,700
Ray fucked their lives.
Up.

972
00:56:32,700 –> 00:56:37,200
It fucked this whole family of
pet, those parents lost their

973
00:56:37,200 –> 00:56:39,000
kids for a day.
Kade.

974
00:56:39,000 –> 00:56:42,400
Yeah.
Like I think Aisha their kids,

975
00:56:42,400 –> 00:56:44,400
Felicia.
I think at this point in

976
00:56:44,400 –> 00:56:48,800
history, I think said had not
seen Santos for like six years

977
00:56:49,000 –> 00:56:53,200
and hadn’t seen her parents for
even longer and there’s a scene

978
00:56:53,200 –> 00:56:57,700
where like she drives to her
parents house and sees them go

979
00:56:57,700 –> 00:57:01,700
in and you’re like, oh, just go
in just just go in and she

980
00:57:01,700 –> 00:57:06,800
doesn’t and it can’t also sad
but eventually she does she

981
00:57:06,800 –> 00:57:10,100
calls her mom.
They Since I’ll in eventually

982
00:57:10,100 –> 00:57:13,800
that whole family unit kind of
comes back.

983
00:57:13,800 –> 00:57:15,800
Well, wouldn’t tell your mom and
Felicia.

984
00:57:15,800 –> 00:57:19,700
Go visit, you’ll Itza, you L
won’t come to the door and it’s

985
00:57:19,700 –> 00:57:22,800
not because she doesn’t.
She’s just like I don’t know if

986
00:57:22,800 –> 00:57:27,000
she’s still under Larry spell.
Yeah, I don’t know if my parents

987
00:57:27,000 –> 00:57:30,700
are actually the horrible people
that Larry convince me.

988
00:57:30,700 –> 00:57:33,200
Like she’s like I just don’t
know and the only thing I can do

989
00:57:33,200 –> 00:57:36,300
is just talk to my lawyer and be
like get away from me.

990
00:57:36,400 –> 00:57:39,900
Yeah, but they do there.
A nice picnic scene at the end

991
00:57:39,900 –> 00:57:42,300
where they’re all.
Yeah, the last episode is a lot

992
00:57:42,300 –> 00:57:44,800
of that.
The last episode is just the

993
00:57:44,800 –> 00:57:48,700
aftermath for Felicia and
Isabella and I don’t know where

994
00:57:48,700 –> 00:57:52,600
Elizabeth, I mean, Isabella
she’s not in prison but she’s in

995
00:57:52,600 –> 00:57:56,200
a bad way but they do eventually
say at the end she did

996
00:57:56,200 –> 00:58:02,200
eventually testify against Larry
and admit that what she did was

997
00:58:02,200 –> 00:58:05,800
a problem.
And I think she apologized which

998
00:58:06,500 –> 00:58:10,200
yeah, and I feel for her though,
Do too because she’s also like

999
00:58:10,200 –> 00:58:12,800
yeah and not just that.
I think she had the roughest

1000
00:58:12,800 –> 00:58:16,200
upbringing.
It seems like to like she was

1001
00:58:16,200 –> 00:58:19,900
especially all of these kids
were just so susceptible.

1002
00:58:20,000 –> 00:58:24,300
Like just naturally susceptible
to what this guy was pedaling.

1003
00:58:24,400 –> 00:58:30,000
And it’s so sad that it worked
for as long as it did and also

1004
00:58:30,000 –> 00:58:33,300
Sarah Lawrence College came out.
It was like we heard about this

1005
00:58:33,300 –> 00:58:35,600
but we did a little bit of
investigating and nothing.

1006
00:58:35,600 –> 00:58:38,800
We seemed weird to us but now we
regret not doing Like it was

1007
00:58:38,800 –> 00:58:43,500
like this weird plant like like
PR quoted the end at like we

1008
00:58:43,500 –> 00:58:46,500
just didn’t know but it’s like a
full-blown adult was living on

1009
00:58:46,500 –> 00:58:48,800
campus.
Like yeah, I do.

1010
00:58:48,900 –> 00:58:53,100
I kind of understand like, what
else are they going to do?

1011
00:58:53,300 –> 00:58:56,100
Like, yeah, I get it.
It’s just like, fuck.

1012
00:58:56,200 –> 00:58:59,000
Yeah.
One person would have just said

1013
00:58:59,000 –> 00:59:03,100
something something right then.
Maybe the I mean, Santos looks

1014
00:59:03,100 –> 00:59:04,200
legit.
Haunted.

1015
00:59:04,200 –> 00:59:06,500
Like you see him as an adult
now?

1016
00:59:06,500 –> 00:59:08,700
And all of them.
Like Dan wrote, a A book about,

1017
00:59:08,700 –> 00:59:12,600
he wrote A Memoir about this and
he he said that it was so nice

1018
00:59:12,600 –> 00:59:17,000
to talk to Santos and be like,
oh I wasn’t like, it was nice to

1019
00:59:17,000 –> 00:59:20,400
see him and reconnect and be
like oh fuck we both agree.

1020
00:59:20,400 –> 00:59:23,100
How fucked up it was.
But Dan seems to have like kind

1021
00:59:23,100 –> 00:59:28,000
of made his way right and the
other three like you’ll eat.

1022
00:59:28,000 –> 00:59:30,400
She has going to Colombia I
think.

1023
00:59:30,400 –> 00:59:34,200
And she’s made me want to be an
artist and Santos, is the only

1024
00:59:34,200 –> 00:59:37,400
one that just just seems.
Yeah, he’s got a job.

1025
00:59:37,400 –> 00:59:39,800
He’s living with his parents.
It haunted.

1026
00:59:39,800 –> 00:59:43,200
Yeah, that it’s just like so
just like I get Sarah Lawrence

1027
00:59:43,200 –> 00:59:46,400
is side but like, I’m like if
just one person would have gave

1028
00:59:46,400 –> 00:59:48,600
it a little bit more of a fuck.
Yeah.

1029
00:59:48,700 –> 00:59:53,300
Yeah, yeah, it’s a heavy
documentary, but I think it’s

1030
00:59:53,300 –> 00:59:56,800
worth watching.
Its I do too like if nothing

1031
00:59:56,800 –> 01:00:01,000
else to build up your empathy
for people in situations like

1032
01:00:01,000 –> 01:00:03,700
this because it’s never as
simple as well.

1033
01:00:03,700 –> 01:00:07,400
Why didn’t you just leave?
Like, it’s never that simple.

1034
01:00:07,400 –> 01:00:09,400
Not everyone’s built.
Like me and Kim.

1035
01:00:09,600 –> 01:00:12,300
Like we would have obviously
just left.

1036
01:00:12,300 –> 01:00:15,200
We’re Geniuses.
Yeah, we, we are so fucking

1037
01:00:15,200 –> 01:00:17,900
together.
Mentally, like, we got it

1038
01:00:17,900 –> 01:00:21,800
fucking going on upstairs.
Yeah, not everybody together.

1039
01:00:22,100 –> 01:00:26,000
Yeah, yeah, Flawless lives.
Yes awesome.

1040
01:00:26,100 –> 01:00:28,700
But also, you know what?
I feel like everybody has a

1041
01:00:29,100 –> 01:00:32,400
thing that their brain could be.
So you know what I mean?

1042
01:00:32,400 –> 01:00:35,800
Like everybody has a Breaking
Point or everybody has oh yeah

1043
01:00:36,100 –> 01:00:40,000
yeah even Geniuses like us.
And Geniuses like us.

1044
01:00:40,500 –> 01:00:42,200
I don’t know if this makes you a
genius, but you know what I

1045
01:00:42,207 –> 01:00:46,000
mean, the scariest part is that
even me and Kim could fall for

1046
01:00:46,000 –> 01:00:47,800
something like this?
Not specifically.

1047
01:00:47,800 –> 01:00:50,300
This I would have told Larry
ready to fuck off.

1048
01:00:50,300 –> 01:00:52,500
Like also Larry Ray was super
creepy.

1049
01:00:52,500 –> 01:00:57,000
Like yeah, he was he wasn’t like
I expected him to be like a

1050
01:00:57,000 –> 01:01:00,400
charismatic, good looking guy.
He was like kind of a creepy

1051
01:01:00,400 –> 01:01:02,200
mean guy.
Yeah.

1052
01:01:02,200 –> 01:01:04,900
It’s like, do I do this guy’s a
little like it was just like

1053
01:01:04,900 –> 01:01:08,200
what I’m having a fucking cab
drivers voice.

1054
01:01:08,300 –> 01:01:12,000
Voice looks like a Midwestern
dad.

1055
01:01:12,000 –> 01:01:14,600
Like he just looked like a dad.
Like in the 80s.

1056
01:01:14,600 –> 01:01:16,900
You know.
Like it was boy.

1057
01:01:17,400 –> 01:01:21,800
Yeah, I probably will watch the
peacock just because I Claudia

1058
01:01:21,800 –> 01:01:25,400
is I Googled her a little bit
and it was just like she lives a

1059
01:01:25,408 –> 01:01:26,900
quiet life.
She does not want to be

1060
01:01:26,900 –> 01:01:28,700
associated with this.
She wants to be.

1061
01:01:29,200 –> 01:01:31,600
Yeah.
And who can blame her like I

1062
01:01:31,600 –> 01:01:34,000
hope, you know.
I hope she’s getting the help.

1063
01:01:34,000 –> 01:01:36,100
She needs a hope.
She’s gotten the help she needs

1064
01:01:36,100 –> 01:01:38,200
but yeah no one and I almost
teared up.

1065
01:01:38,500 –> 01:01:41,700
My to like a sport as important
as it is.

1066
01:01:42,000 –> 01:01:45,200
For people in situations like
this to be able to tell their

1067
01:01:45,200 –> 01:01:47,200
story.
It’s also fine.

1068
01:01:47,200 –> 01:01:52,700
If Claudia doesn’t want to tell
hers right now or if anyone

1069
01:01:52,700 –> 01:01:57,300
doesn’t want to like that’s fine
too, like we’re not entitled to

1070
01:01:57,300 –> 01:02:00,500
know.
Claudia’s feelings on this.

1071
01:02:00,600 –> 01:02:03,900
Both can exist, right?
Like someone can want to share

1072
01:02:03,900 –> 01:02:07,200
and someone doesn’t have like
it’s none of our so yeah, I

1073
01:02:07,200 –> 01:02:09,800
think.
I guess the moral of this is

1074
01:02:09,800 –> 01:02:13,300
just be on your toes.
When there’s former CIA in your

1075
01:02:13,300 –> 01:02:16,400
midst, you never know what those
motherfuckers are up to.

1076
01:02:16,900 –> 01:02:20,200
Or if you see something, say
something, you know, I mean

1077
01:02:20,200 –> 01:02:23,300
like, those two like Raven and
Max were both like, we just got

1078
01:02:23,300 –> 01:02:24,800
out of there.
But now we look back and we’re

1079
01:02:24,800 –> 01:02:28,300
like, I should have maybe and
that, not that, I’m not like

1080
01:02:28,300 –> 01:02:30,100
blaming them by any stretch of
the mind.

1081
01:02:30,100 –> 01:02:32,700
There is exactly one person to
be blamed in this entire

1082
01:02:32,700 –> 01:02:35,500
scenario.
But but just like there’s so

1083
01:02:35,500 –> 01:02:38,500
many times that will see friends
that are in like, Both

1084
01:02:38,500 –> 01:02:41,100
situations and it’s like, oh
well it’s not my lane or it’s

1085
01:02:41,100 –> 01:02:44,600
none of my business and
sometimes it doesn’t matter if

1086
01:02:44,600 –> 01:02:46,100
it’s not your business.
Yeah.

1087
01:02:46,500 –> 01:02:47,700
It’s a fine line.
I guess.

1088
01:02:47,700 –> 01:02:48,900
I don’t know.
Yeah.

1089
01:02:48,900 –> 01:02:51,400
But I think that’s our episode,
right?

1090
01:02:51,500 –> 01:02:55,700
Yeah, we had, were you trying to
look for like a nice bow?

1091
01:02:55,700 –> 01:02:58,700
I think this thing is, there’s,
there’s no, but I mean there are

1092
01:02:58,900 –> 01:03:04,000
like you could argue that
Felicia and Santos and elitsa

1093
01:03:04,400 –> 01:03:07,900
constitute kind of a happy
ending but in Dan.

1094
01:03:08,000 –> 01:03:08,300
Yeah.
Yeah.

1095
01:03:08,308 –> 01:03:10,400
Yeah.
But there’s not really like the

1096
01:03:10,400 –> 01:03:13,900
happy ending to this would be if
like, none of it happened.

1097
01:03:14,000 –> 01:03:16,500
Like happy is a weird way to put
it.

1098
01:03:16,600 –> 01:03:21,500
But at least most of the
involved parties have extricated

1099
01:03:21,500 –> 01:03:25,200
themselves from the situation
and are rebuilding their lives.

1100
01:03:25,500 –> 01:03:30,800
And Larry Ray will be in prison
forever forever and I hope not a

1101
01:03:30,800 –> 01:03:33,900
cushy prison.
I hope like a bad prison.

1102
01:03:33,900 –> 01:03:36,000
He’s in New York.
He’s probably in Rikers Island,

1103
01:03:36,000 –> 01:03:37,100
right?
Nice.

1104
01:03:37,200 –> 01:03:39,100
Okay.
Yeah, that would be Deal.

1105
01:03:39,200 –> 01:03:43,500
Yeah and they don’t criminals
don’t do so well with sex

1106
01:03:43,500 –> 01:03:46,100
traffickers and pedophiles and
rapists.

1107
01:03:46,100 –> 01:03:50,300
Like criminals have a code.
Yeah they don’t they don’t those

1108
01:03:50,300 –> 01:03:52,200
guys don’t do well in prison.
Yeah.

1109
01:03:52,200 –> 01:03:55,000
Just ask Jeffrey Epstein who
definitely was murdered in

1110
01:03:55,000 –> 01:03:56,000
prison.
Yeah.

1111
01:03:56,400 –> 01:03:58,400
Definitely was murdered in
prison.

1112
01:03:59,000 –> 01:04:01,200
I thought you were going to be
sarcastic and say definitely

1113
01:04:01,200 –> 01:04:03,000
killed himself and put like I
thought you were going to be

1114
01:04:03,000 –> 01:04:06,100
sarcastic and then yeah, I know
he fucking was murdered if

1115
01:04:06,100 –> 01:04:07,600
there’s no way that guy wasn’t
murdered.

1116
01:04:07,600 –> 01:04:09,700
Yeah.
One who doesn’t buy that is the

1117
01:04:09,700 –> 01:04:14,700
dumbest person I’ve ever met but
here absolute dumbest my God.

1118
01:04:14,700 –> 01:04:18,000
How fucking hard do you trust
the government that you think

1119
01:04:18,000 –> 01:04:23,100
Jeffrey Epstein killed himself?
Shut up, that bill.

1120
01:04:23,100 –> 01:04:27,400
By the way, makes me kind of De
bunk your conspiracy theory if

1121
01:04:27,400 –> 01:04:29,900
he really is Former Intelligence
Larry.

1122
01:04:29,900 –> 01:04:33,100
Not obscene, maybe it.
Will they kill him too?

1123
01:04:33,300 –> 01:04:36,600
No, I don’t think so.
Larry, Ray and Jeffrey, Epstein

1124
01:04:36,600 –> 01:04:40,400
are two very different.
Very, very different animals.

1125
01:04:40,400 –> 01:04:43,100
I’m just saying, Larry probably
know some things that some

1126
01:04:43,100 –> 01:04:46,700
people may not want them to
know, but have seen had friends

1127
01:04:46,700 –> 01:04:49,800
in higher places than you and I
can even imagine, you know.

1128
01:04:49,900 –> 01:04:54,000
Yeah, all right, well, alright,
well, hey, Kim, thanks for doing

1129
01:04:54,000 –> 01:04:55,300
this.
I appreciate it.

1130
01:04:55,500 –> 01:04:58,000
Hey, Adam, thanks for having me.
I always love being here.

1131
01:04:58,300 –> 01:05:01,400
Do you have anything to plug
before we get out of here?

1132
01:05:01,500 –> 01:05:03,700
It feels weird to plug
something.

1133
01:05:03,700 –> 01:05:06,200
After like, well, I have a
comedy show tomorrow night, but

1134
01:05:06,700 –> 01:05:08,100
yeah, just follow me on all
this.

1135
01:05:08,200 –> 01:05:11,300
Socials, K ym kral.
Yeah, well, I do have a comedy

1136
01:05:11,300 –> 01:05:14,200
show the day.
This air is on the 8th, but I’m

1137
01:05:14,200 –> 01:05:16,600
unclear where it is because I
haven’t looked yet.

1138
01:05:17,800 –> 01:05:19,100
I’ve been tagged in a bunch of
posts.

1139
01:05:19,100 –> 01:05:20,500
I’m like, all right, that’s
tomorrow.

1140
01:05:21,000 –> 01:05:24,000
But I’ll have it up on all my
socials and go to you know, KY M

1141
01:05:24,000 –> 01:05:30,600
KR ale, I am doing Jeff’s.
Mint on card, show March 10th

1142
01:05:30,600 –> 01:05:34,000
this Friday.
Oh, you’ll be there in Burbank.

1143
01:05:34,100 –> 01:05:37,000
So I might try and cut.
If I’m not, if I’m not working I

1144
01:05:37,000 –> 01:05:39,400
was going to try and pop it.
Come pop in.

1145
01:05:39,400 –> 01:05:41,700
Yeah, don’t tell Jeff.
I was gonna surprise him.

1146
01:05:41,800 –> 01:05:44,800
It’ll be my second time doing
comedy since covid first time,

1147
01:05:44,800 –> 01:05:48,700
since having surgery on my face.
So guess what my jokes are

1148
01:05:48,700 –> 01:05:51,900
mostly going to be about?
And yeah, come out and see that

1149
01:05:51,900 –> 01:05:57,500
and Olivia will be back.
We me and Olivia went to alien

1150
01:05:57,500 –> 01:06:02,000
con over the weekend and this
week’s episode was going to be

1151
01:06:02,000 –> 01:06:05,000
about that but then a scheduling
thing happened.

1152
01:06:05,000 –> 01:06:08,200
So we will we will let you know
how alien contact.

1153
01:06:08,200 –> 01:06:11,400
Went very soon and I think
that’s it.

1154
01:06:11,400 –> 01:06:13,200
We should get out of here.
All right.

1155
01:06:13,200 –> 01:06:16,200
Kim thanks everybody.
Thanks Kim say goodbye goodbye

1156
01:06:16,600 –> 01:06:18,200
Adam good bye everybody.
Bye.

1157
01:06:18,300 –> 01:06:20,900
Oh okay goodbye everybody.
We love you.

1158
01:06:26,800 –> 01:06:27,200
People have.