Conspiracy! The Show 239: MK Ultra and Social Media

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Welcome to conspiracy the show.
The world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast with
your host, Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia haydar Hey everybody,
Welcome to conspiracy the show.

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I’m your host, Adam Todd.
Brown joining me is co-host this

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week.
My favorite co-host of all know

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co-host but there is a guest in
the proverbial room, ladies and

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gentlemen.
Zach Johnston is here.

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Hey, how you doing out of?
It’s been too long man.

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It’s been such a long time.
You were on an episode of on

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pops approximately, 14 years
ago.

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Yes, back when we were Babies,
whose baby on purpose, right?

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Yeah.
Oh yeah.

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That’s when we were still in
Downtown LA bouff.

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Yeah, Zach.
Tell people a little bit about

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what you do.
So I drinks editor for up,

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rocks.com.
I write about whiskey primarily,

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which means I cased.
Not drink a lot of whiskey every

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day.
I go around the distilleries.

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I write reviews for new whiskey,
releases classic whiskey

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releases travel, you know,
around shows and I do a lot of

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judging at Spirits competitions.
New York London, San Francisco

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places like that.
And yeah, I’m your go-to guy.

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If you want to find a good
bottle of whiskey, must be

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rough.
That sounds like a pretty sweet

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job.
Yes.

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You know, it’s one of those
things I like to say when the

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job Lottery, but it’s still a
job.

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You know, like, I still grind,
you know, I still, I turn into

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pieces a day for up, rocks about
whiskey.

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Yeah, I’m tasting whiskies all
day every day.

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Does it get a little tiring?
Yeah, you gotta really have to

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control your intake of Booze and
drinking and stuff like that

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because, you know, some people
making a whole bunch of free

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booze and get a lot of control
and then you burn out your done.

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Yeah.
You know, I tasted 30 Whiskey’s

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the other day before noon, and
you have to spin all that stuff,

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you know, I have to write down
an invitation notes on each

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other.
So it is, it is one of those

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things where it’s really hard
for me to just go to a bar sit

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down and enjoy whiskey now
because it’s like, I’d rather

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just have a Miller Lite, dude?
Yeah, yeah.

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It’s like when people ask me
what my favorite podcast is

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none.
Right?

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I don’t listen to podcast.
You crazy.

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Z doing sex all day.
We are here to talk about some

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conspiracy shit.
These are my favorite episodes

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because I have to do absolutely
nothing.

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This is one of those episodes
that we call my favorite

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conspiracy theory where a guest
comes on and just tells me about

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a conspiracy theory that they
believe a whole bunch zelcer.

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What is your pet conspiracy
theory that you want to talk

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about?
I’m pretty hardcore accurate to

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the end.
Ultra conspiracy theory and

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theories, right?
And sort of how they still I

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believe are part of our everyday
life in ways.

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We don’t even really realize.
Yeah, if we were in a public

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venue, I’d be snapping right now
because that’s, that’s a thing.

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I also firmly believe, I don’t
think MKUltra actually ended,

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but I want to hear why you think
that for one, I just want to

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preface this with.
I understand a lot of the things

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that we are fed and found, you
know?

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No.
Online through the news, through

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the standard history that we
learn is a lot of bullshit

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that’s fed to us.
And we sort of take it as gospel

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and move on with our lives
because we don’t have time to

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think about all this shit.
My best example is The Narrative

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of indigenous people, I’m
indigenous from reservation,

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blah, blah blah.
The Narrative of indigenous

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people you hear about the Trail
of Tears and maybe use hear

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about Iwo Jima of Swag and
that’s it where there’s this

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whole history to the indigenous,
people of the Americas that

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nobody ever hears about.
And when you do talk about it,

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Literally called revisionist
history.

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That’s sort of the world I come
from like my old man raised me

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to look at George Washington and
Thomas Jefferson, Teddy,

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Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln as
all the villains, right of our

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story.
Yeah, hearing you say that and I

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don’t want to derail the actual
topic but it does kind of make

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me wonder what your stance on
Ancient Alien.

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Theory is racist, white
supremacist bullshit.

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Yeah that actually plays.
Into it a bit as well.

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You know, the fact that real
history is revisionist history

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in America, and in England, and
wherever you want to go.

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Yeah.
So I just want to say, I’m

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coming to this stuff from that
point of view, where I grew up

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with a healthy healthy
disrespect and sort of fear of

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anything.
The US government says, to the

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point that even the MKUltra
papers that were supposedly

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accidentally found eyesight.
I even that oh yeah, well

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there’s part of me, that’s
always wonders who’s pushing the

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narrative, right?
Sure, you know, which direction,

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are they having us look as
opposed to looking in another

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Direction?
I mean, obviously this is during

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a church committee when
everything was coming out in the

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open.
I’m not arguing that.

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That didn’t happen or doesn’t
exist or people aren’t telling

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the truth.
It’s just that, you know,

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there’s so much information out
there from first-person accounts

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where you start to wonder you
know or people jumping on

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bandwagons trying to be part of
the story.

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You’ll How deep did it?
Truly go and sort of what I

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always go back to is Ken Kesey
and the merry pranksters.

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And the fact that you know, No,
the basis for Grateful Dead.

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Can Casey who wrote One Flew?
Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, Tom

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Wolf, who was artists all these
people were in San Francisco in

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the 50s and willing participants
in MKUltra, right?

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And then in the late 50s and
early 60s went out and spread

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LSD directly to people.
And a lot of people, look at the

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merry pranksters, oh, the hippie
painted school bus and everyone

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is going around fucking each
other and do an acid so they

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will.
Yeah, that’s the main line

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history of them but the real
history of they were the ones

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throwing all the He’s in the
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In the Hollywood Hills in Laurel
Canyon, they were the ones,

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providing the Kool-Aid Acid
Test, to The Rolling Stones, and

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the Beatles, and Dylan, all
those people, which you don’t

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really hear about with merry
pranksters, you know, about, you

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know, Neal Conrad and you know,
going on the road with like

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Marowak did and all that stuff
and for me, I always question.

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First of all, where did they
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Thousands of tabs of LSD in
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That’s always a really valid
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Like we did an episode.
Load a while back like years ago

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about Courtney Love because
there are allegations that

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Courtney Love Has ties not only
to the CIA but to MKUltra in

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particular and one of the things
about her she pops up at like

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every burgeoning music scene for
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There.
Courtney Love is also there and

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one of the scenes, she showed up
at prior to grunge was in

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England when like new wave in
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It was happening and when she
showed up on the new way of

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seeing she one was traveling
with a guy who had CIA ties and

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she also had like a thousand
hits of LSD and it’s like where

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where how like that’s so
expensive, that’s a lot of

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money.
Like was she making it?

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I don’t think so.
And yeah, same thing like where

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did all those drugs come from in
the 60s and endless supply and

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what’s interesting?
What are the tales I’ve read as

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From Bob modest, Robert Banas,
who is the tour manager for the

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stones and the Beatles.
In the u.s. in the 60s, he tells

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the story of, how am I six?
And the CIA had literally the

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operation was getting a chi and
they wanted to get Mick Jagger

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to do as many drugs as Keith and
Bill.

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Wyman and all those guys are
doing because according to the

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MI6 operation, it was about
making it cool.

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So other people would do it
because they were doing

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anything.
They do to get people to stop

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talking about Vietnam, and if
you’re high on LSD, you Thinking

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about yourself you start yo
going off in la-la land and not

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really complaining about the war
and I think Daniel Schneiderman

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was the MI6 agent who was also
working for the FBI whose

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operation was to get Mick,
Jagger to do LSD.

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Now, again, this is according to
Bob botanist who was the tour

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manager to both the stones and
the Beatles in the u.s.

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So it’s not like some random off
the street.

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I mean, this is the guy who
found the drugs and the women

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who are the parties that those
bands were having, The US after

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their shows is that bandwagon is
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You know, from after the fact,
or is this guy telling the

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truth?
And I tend to thank you, MI6 in

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the CIA were doing the same
shit.

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It’s not like they’re working in
completely different worlds but

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then Bill Wyman, who’s you know
the basis for the stones

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confirms this stuff, like people
were trying to get Mick, Jagger

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to do LSD to make it sound cool.
So other people would do it and

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they’re trying to get these
these bands with they’re trying

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to get them high.
So they will stop complaining

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about the Vietnam War and talk
about drugs instead and

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according to Bobby, This that
huge bust that the stones and

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the Beatles were both caught up
in where George Harrison and

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Mick Jagger and they were all
doing LSD at George Harrison’s

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house, right?
David’s fireman set up the

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fucking bus.
With an undercover cop to come

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in.
When they were in the middle of

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doing the drugs, he gave them to
do.

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So that when they were in the
news, they be talking about the

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drug bust and doing drugs, and
not talking about their

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political views.
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That does make sense in terms of
Of a reason why intelligence

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agencies would want rockstars to
do drugs because, yeah, at some

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point if you’re getting high
enough, you really aren’t going

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to care about the war or social
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I think it speaks to why they
would have had an interest in

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the new wave movement.
It’s not like lately.

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Things were cool in the 80’s
England, like England was in

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super duper crisis mode in 80s.
Hip-hop.

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Also I mean there’s other
reasons.

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Yeah the government is
interested in hip-hop not just

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their messages obviously
absolutely.

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But those sort of thing is this
is a 65 made 60.

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So this is already 10 years
after the San Francisco stuff in

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the lab stuff are called
universities abroad apples and

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all this.
So in 10 years, you know, I

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don’t care what anyone says.
They had to have learned enough

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to know what they were doing
specifically with this drug and

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with MKUltra.
Yeah, that’s always my argument.

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About MK Ultra people are like
ooh nothing came from it.

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It’s like the government’s not
going to tell you if anything

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came from it and they were doing
it for decades.

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They’re not going to spend that
money if nothing was coming from

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it.
Exactly.

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But then even take a step back
and look at what LSD does and

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this is where it gets a little
science and sort of nerdy where

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the average person isn’t going
to look.

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But, you know, LSD is affecting
your serotonin, which allows

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dopamine to be released in your
brain.

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So you feel good and you get,
you know, the young idea of ego

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death, where you stopped
Worrying about everything and

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just focus on being together and
you’ll be we know that you can

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push people into opinions and
you can push people into saying

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things, they didn’t do with LSD,
and to the point where people

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have flashbacks, and truly think
that something in a flashback

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happened in their lives or
happened in the world that did

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not happen at all.
So, that is all stuff that they

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learned already in the 50s to
the point where they knew that a

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serotonin adjustment in your
brain to release dopamine to

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make you kind of lose all your
Empathy, and only care about

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yourself, right?
Is a very powerful tool in that,

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and this is very conspiratorial,
but maybe not, if you ever

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watch, Adam Curtis’s Century as
self, there’s this huge shift

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that happens in the 50s and 60s
after WWII, where people stop

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being Americans or Germans or
British.

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And they started being Surfers
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rockers and lifestyle became a
thing.

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Right?
Right.

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And if you look at like today,
how many people would consider

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themselves Americans percent?
As compared to pre-1950.

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Yeah, yeah.
How many people would even go

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for a draft these days?
Nobody, I mean, who would be

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such a contentious?
There’s no way.

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If you look at the way people
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looked a certain way.
This is how Americans look.

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This is how Germans left there
was handwriting.

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That was German and writing
those English and writing blah

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blah blah.
There was a clear national

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identity and that has thinned
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you have it LSD culture, like
the merry pranksters that go

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around.
Talking about individualism

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which was an offshoot of
objectivism from an r and where

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the individual is more important
than the, the community, or the

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whole and lifestyle, becoming a
huge part of the push, in the

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west, especially towards
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I’m not saying they’re all
interconnected, but they

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certainly go hand to hand to
lose weight where you get to

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today and this is sort of the
cherry on top where I feel the

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government realized, okay?
We’ll LSD does this to a

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person’s brain and this is how
it works in the community and in

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a group.
And then this thing comes along

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with the internet called So
media which concretely was

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funded through different CIA
funding groups, yeah great

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article that it’s still up it’s
on CBS News you can go look for

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it right now that says Facebook
is funded by the CIA seriously

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and it lists all the different
funds, the CIA use to help

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create Facebook and social
media.

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This is what you do.
You know, the CIA has a

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investment fund that operates
out of Silicon Valley.

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I don’t remember the name of it
right now but we’ve talked about

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It it on the Pod, the CIA.
Also, if you can believe, it was

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instrumental in the development
of Google Earth and it’s like oh

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really the CIA wanted be ability
to look up any address on the

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internet from the sky.
Sure again, this isn’t so much

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conspiratorial as its scientific
in that what is the algorithm of

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social media doing?
It’s affecting your serotonin,

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which is releasing dopamine,
which is making you feel like

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part of a group but now you
don’t need to take a goddamn

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Acid, tab and Kool-Aid.
Just pick up your fucking phone

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and tap yourself.
Yeah.

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Well, you, you get that same
feeling to the point where we

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live, in a country where a huge
part of the population, is

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having flashbacks to ship that
never happened and living in a

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different reality.
Yes.

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And that became much more
Amplified, not that crazy.

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People didn’t exist.
Before people didn’t have

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fantasies before, but became
much more Amplified in the last

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20 years.
Then in 200 before it the fact

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that social media algorithms
have base, A similar effect on

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our brains as something like
hallucinogen, right down to the

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ego Death part of your
disassociating, your empathy.

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So you can be an individual as
opposed to part of a national

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identity to the fact that you
feel good with bullshit.

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I don’t have anything against
Elysee and doing drugs, if you

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want to do it recreationally,
but it’s kind of bullshit

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because you’re affecting your
brain to create something that

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makes you feel good.
You can wear that with tons of

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different things.
Even though I come from an

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indigenous background, I don’t
really lean into The mystical

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sort of, whoo, whoo.
Spiritual side of it at all.

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I’ve done tons of peyote, tons
of mushrooms, tons of LSD,

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throughout my life, thinking
back to.

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When I was a teenager both
ritualistically and

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recreationally and for me, it’s
recreational or than it is

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Mystical, or sure, you know,
anything like that.

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That’s just my opinion.
So, you’re not doing DMT to talk

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to aliens.
You don’t look that God DMT to

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feel good, baby?
Hell yeah.

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DMT to watch movies.
Yeah, it’s a Of thing, where you

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know, I did use peyote a lot in
my life for making decisions

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because again, you had clear
point of view.

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You know, you get you suck suck,
what you experience, the ego

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death, where all the empathy is
taken out of you and you’re just

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like, okay, black and white.
I can do this or I can do that.

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What do I want to do really?
And okay, I want to do that.

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I’ll go do that, right?
You know, there’s therapeutic

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measures in there, but I think
there’s therapeutic measures in

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there.
If you’re in a therapy situation

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with someone, they’re helping
guide you right.

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You know, or likewise Alan
bought the opposite of therapy

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be but a malevolent sort of
situation which intake altar was

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in you know, a fair be situated
or a laboratory situation.

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Where someone’s guide you
towards thinking that you’re,

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you know, going to kill the
president or thinking that

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you’re someone who’s a serial
killer.

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When you’re just a grocery store
clerk, making you believe

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something that isn’t real.
Yeah, which you can 100% do is

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loosen gents in which, a lot of
people don’t like talking about

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now because they wanted to be
legal and when it be medicine

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and they don’t like seeing the
possibility of negatives when

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they want to leave.
Eli something, which is the same

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thing we saw with marijuana.
So yes, marijuana should be

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legal people.
Still get high and run people

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over, you know.
Sure.

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Yeah.
But people get drunk around

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people over to sorry.
What are we talking about?

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Yeah, I like any drug that’s
made legal, like it can’t just

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be okay.
You can use it and there’s never

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any consequences for using.
I still don’t want people on the

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highway fucked up on mushrooms.
I take mushrooms and I know I

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would not want to drive on them
where I’ve taken, right, I Have

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a connect right now but if any
CIA is listening and can get me

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some, I’m down to be part of the
experiment.

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Let’s back up a little bit.
Yeah, I was just going to say

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let’s fill in some gaps here.
Have you looked into or read

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anything about that, Laurel
Canyon Music Scene?

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I’ve just started to I had heard
of it and do all of it.

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Through surprising my dad.
He was down in Haight-Ashbury

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Oakland.
And he’s part of the Alcatraz

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occupation.
He was at a member, and he was

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in Laurel Canyon between 69 and
70 too nice.

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And he also said that, because
of 69, but go on.

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Yeah, but he always had some
wild stories which again, your

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old man’s Tony Story.
He believed like 10%, you know.

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So I knew through that.
Then also, there’s that book

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series that just came out right
about it.

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Well, there’s a series of
magazine articles, okay?

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But there’s like eight.
Dean of them.

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And I know it eventually turned
into a book, I wouldn’t be

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surprised if there’s multiple
books.

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But great.
Yeah, like everyone from that

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Laurel.
Canyon seen like a specially

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Frank Zappa who was kind of the
Sun that everyone revolved

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around in that scene they all
are like the kids of military

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intelligence.
Great.

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And I know it’s tempting to like
brush that off because we were

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Fresh Off World War Two.
I mean, not fresh off but like

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Like it didn’t engine Rich, much
long.

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Yeah.
And so a lot of people like got

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drafted and a lot of people had
military careers.

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So of course, their kids are
going to have ties to that, but

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one, like all of them, every
single one, like every person

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who shows up at Laurel Canyon
around that time is like the son

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or daughter of someone who was
military intelligence.

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And one of the things that’s
never been confirmed but that

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keeps coming up when I look into
The CIA is that they love

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getting a whole family involved
as opposed to just.

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Okay, well we’re going to
recruit the dad and then he’s

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going to do Shenanigans for us.
But never tell anyone else in

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the household that doesn’t work,
doesn’t like that’s not going to

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work most of the time.
So it makes sense that if the

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head of the household is like
hey get this, I just got a job

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toppling foreign governments in
a pressing civil rights.

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And I can get you all in on it
also, like, it must be good if

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I’m doing it.
So of course you would want to

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do it and I did a 10 part series
on this pod about Jonestown and

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if you look into Jonestown aside
from Jim Jones, all the other

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people who did Jonestown were
from, basically the same family,

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the late and family, the only
person who ever went to jail

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over Jonestown, was a member of
the Layton family and he’s like

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out now.
Great.

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They’re tight, the Nazis.
Which MKUltra is.

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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, that’s the thing too.

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We didn’t really backtrack far
enough.

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That’s the scariest part of
MKUltra.

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The CIA, all of that shit is
it’s all like, half nazi-like,

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it all is born out of Operation
Paperclip in like I’m sorry,

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Nazis.
Don’t stop being Nazis.

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They have kids who they trained
to be Nazis and like that’s a

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bloodline that’s just running
through the American government.

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Since right after World War Two.
And I would challenge anyone

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who’s skeptical of me saying
that to tell me when it was

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purged from the government.
Oh yeah, I mean, yeah.

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Way because it wasn’t.
I mean, even if you look at the

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church committee, that’s still
like oh you can’t operate United

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States, they’re like, okay,
thumbs up, wink wink, sure.

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And then they installed the head
of the CIA has that goddamn

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president basically the next Eco
election cycle, right?

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Even looking at the This is
going back to my indigenous

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Roots, but you know, United
States was experimenting on

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Indians on reservations for 150
years before the Nazis got here,

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right?
For sterilization, doing crazy

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shit with twins and all that.
There’s horror stories at all.

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Those assimilation schools and
all those words, I mean some of

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those reservations were prisoner
of war camps, concentration

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camps.
I mean, Pine Ridge is still

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technically classified by the
United States government as a

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p.o.w. camp, you know?
So he’s to live so close to Pine

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Ridge to I live in South Dakota
for years.

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Yeah, you have a better chance
at a better life in Sudan and

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Iraq than you do in Pine Ridge.
Yeah, today, so for me, again,

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coming from the way, my dad sort
of raised me where, you know the

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shit has been going on the whole
time.

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This is part of the American
way.

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Look at, even at the Timeline,
let’s say we officially no mkr

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started in the mid-50s.
Right, well, what was going on

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between 47 and 55 of those
German scientists were

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integrating into CIA were
integrating into our literally

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are Top universities and
creating the American

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Psychiatric institution and
creating these systems from

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coast to coast, your what was
happening during those seven

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years, what was happening during
the years, you know, in the mid

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70s to mid 80s 90s when they
said oh the whole stopped a long

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time ago.
It doesn’t stop.

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That’s not how the CIA works.
And going to your point about

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like, going out to families and
even going to Ken Kesey and

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people like that, the CIA
doesn’t really work like

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everyone’s a Jason Bourne, it
more of works.

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And we’re going to put out some
Stories.

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And we’re going to put out some
feelers with our analysts and

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people might pick it up.
They might not, but if one

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person picks it up and runs with
it, one journalist picks it up

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and runs with it one, you know,
culturally influential, person

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picks it up and runs with it.
We have a success, they’re not

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going there and paying people to
be like, oh, well, you

433
00:22:48,700 –> 00:22:51,000
distribute all this LSD.
They’ll be like a fool.

434
00:22:51,100 –> 00:22:52,900
Here’s some LSD, let’s see what
happens.

435
00:22:53,000 –> 00:22:54,200
Right.
You know, it’s the same thing

436
00:22:54,200 –> 00:22:57,500
with recruitment anywhere in the
world recruitment isn’t about.

437
00:22:57,500 –> 00:22:59,400
Oh, I’m going to bring you into
our clandestine organization.

438
00:22:59,600 –> 00:23:01,200
Shouldn’t teach.
You Kung Fu and how to shoot a

439
00:23:01,200 –> 00:23:02,900
gun.
It’s more like, can you tell me

440
00:23:02,900 –> 00:23:05,500
what your boss was saying about
the oil embargo and the Persian

441
00:23:05,500 –> 00:23:06,800
Gulf?
Yeah.

442
00:23:06,800 –> 00:23:10,300
Over dinner and Switzerland.
It’s more wine and dying.

443
00:23:10,300 –> 00:23:12,100
Can I get some information out
of you?

444
00:23:12,100 –> 00:23:13,900
And you’re right.
That works better with the

445
00:23:13,900 –> 00:23:16,400
family wouldn’t be like, hey,
like wife and kids over.

446
00:23:16,400 –> 00:23:18,400
The kids are playing together
and at the end of the day,

447
00:23:18,400 –> 00:23:20,500
everybody reports back.
So what a what do they think

448
00:23:20,500 –> 00:23:22,400
about living here?
They hear anything weird.

449
00:23:22,400 –> 00:23:26,300
It’s really subtle basic stuff
like that.

450
00:23:26,400 –> 00:23:30,600
Where all this sneaks into our
lives but Luckily the CIA has a

451
00:23:30,608 –> 00:23:32,900
lot of friends in Hollywood.
It makes it look like everybody

452
00:23:32,900 –> 00:23:36,600
is Ethan Hawke or chase aboard
or whatever the fuck you want to

453
00:23:36,600 –> 00:23:39,500
say.
Yeah, that’s not it at all.

454
00:23:40,400 –> 00:23:44,000
That’s one of the things I’ve
been kind of, like, quietly

455
00:23:44,000 –> 00:23:47,500
railing against lately.
We talked a lot about Coppa

456
00:23:47,500 –> 00:23:50,800
Ganda, which is the thing you
see in True Crime shows.

457
00:23:50,800 –> 00:23:55,800
And like, sure sure episodic law
shows, but I feel the same way

458
00:23:55,800 –> 00:23:58,600
about the CIA.
I don’t care how good your

459
00:23:58,600 –> 00:24:01,900
action movie is if it makes the
CIA look.

460
00:24:01,900 –> 00:24:05,800
Like, these swashbuckling Heroes
who are constantly saving the

461
00:24:05,800 –> 00:24:11,900
world from danger, fuck that.
Like the sea I is not that,

462
00:24:11,900 –> 00:24:14,900
don’t get me wrong.
I’m sure they do have people who

463
00:24:14,900 –> 00:24:17,300
will kill you in the right
situation?

464
00:24:17,300 –> 00:24:20,700
We fucking know that.
But yeah, I think people

465
00:24:20,700 –> 00:24:24,800
underestimate that part that you
just brought up which is a lot

466
00:24:24,800 –> 00:24:28,600
of what the CIA does is just
like put fake information out

467
00:24:28,600 –> 00:24:33,100
there which makes the push
against fake news in the United

468
00:24:33,100 –> 00:24:37,800
States so ironic because, yes,
that’s what is we do?

469
00:24:38,100 –> 00:24:42,900
Like Obama signed A law that was
basically like, look, this is

470
00:24:42,900 –> 00:24:46,300
how we fight Wars for the next
10 to 15 years.

471
00:24:46,600 –> 00:24:49,400
We’re not sending troops, we’re
not doing any of that.

472
00:24:49,500 –> 00:24:53,000
We’re just going to like, you
know, go in and say stuff and

473
00:24:53,000 –> 00:24:57,000
see what happens and what it’s
been like that for a long, long,

474
00:24:57,000 –> 00:25:00,000
long, long time to, yeah, a lot
of people have this, you know,

475
00:25:00,000 –> 00:25:02,800
sanctity of Journalism,
especially the US would like,

476
00:25:02,800 –> 00:25:05,300
oh, the New York Times says,
this is the paper of repute or

477
00:25:05,800 –> 00:25:08,900
looks like, these are all papers
that were started as propaganda

478
00:25:08,900 –> 00:25:11,900
arms for rich.
Is in the 1800’s the LA Times

479
00:25:11,900 –> 00:25:15,100
was the goddamn lapd’s
propaganda Wing.

480
00:25:15,500 –> 00:25:19,100
New York Post has always been a
shit tabloid for the elite.

481
00:25:19,200 –> 00:25:21,800
These papers have always been
biased.

482
00:25:21,900 –> 00:25:25,100
And again, they have an agenda,
whether we like it or not, the

483
00:25:25,100 –> 00:25:28,600
New York Times is the paper that
promotes the war machine of the

484
00:25:28,600 –> 00:25:30,700
United States.
It’s the military industrial

485
00:25:30,700 –> 00:25:33,000
complex has mouthpiece to the
world.

486
00:25:33,000 –> 00:25:34,900
Does that mean they don’t have
real journalists reporting on

487
00:25:34,900 –> 00:25:36,600
real things?
Of course, that, of course they

488
00:25:36,600 –> 00:25:38,000
do.
That is part of it.

489
00:25:38,100 –> 00:25:40,300
It doesn’t mean that we throw
the baby out with the If water

490
00:25:40,300 –> 00:25:43,000
because they support the
military industrial complex

491
00:25:43,400 –> 00:25:45,800
that’s called being in part of
the American Empire baby.

492
00:25:46,100 –> 00:25:51,700
Yeah it works kind of the same
way as the CIA the CIA one thing

493
00:25:52,000 –> 00:25:55,300
we’ve known about them forever
is that it’s a very

494
00:25:55,300 –> 00:25:57,900
compartmentalised place.
Yes.

495
00:25:57,900 –> 00:26:02,700
So just because one CIA agent is
like toppling a foreign

496
00:26:02,700 –> 00:26:06,300
government, there might be
another who is legitimately like

497
00:26:06,300 –> 00:26:09,900
trying to prevent terrorism in
this country and doing it.

498
00:26:10,100 –> 00:26:15,400
With the best intentions like
doing it from a very purely

499
00:26:15,400 –> 00:26:18,900
patriotic place where they’re
like, I fucking care about

500
00:26:18,900 –> 00:26:22,600
everyone if they don’t know what
the other guys doing, but that

501
00:26:22,600 –> 00:26:26,700
also like, it doesn’t matter.
They still know like that feels

502
00:26:26,700 –> 00:26:31,300
kind of like The Thin Blue Line
thing where you know, there are

503
00:26:31,300 –> 00:26:35,400
good cops but they see their
fellow cops doing bad shit and

504
00:26:35,400 –> 00:26:39,000
don’t say anything.
So are you a good cop or Will

505
00:26:39,300 –> 00:26:43,300
Arnett Problem for me.
And I think for a rational

506
00:26:43,300 –> 00:26:46,200
person if you even look at
patriotism patriotism is about

507
00:26:46,200 –> 00:26:48,400
Defending Your Country, no
matter what it’s about, seeing

508
00:26:48,400 –> 00:26:50,400
the faults in your country and
trying to make it better for

509
00:26:50,400 –> 00:26:53,800
everyone, so that you create a
better place, a place you can be

510
00:26:53,800 –> 00:26:56,700
proud of, obviously that falls
apart for people have different

511
00:26:56,700 –> 00:26:58,200
ideas.
What that means is some people

512
00:26:58,200 –> 00:27:01,200
are racist pieces of shit and
think that, you know, people

513
00:27:01,200 –> 00:27:04,000
don’t have rights, you should be
trodden upon.

514
00:27:04,000 –> 00:27:06,400
So you have to fight the good
fight against that.

515
00:27:06,400 –> 00:27:08,100
And that’s what I find
patriotism to be.

516
00:27:08,100 –> 00:27:09,900
And so I so totally, see your
point that there.

517
00:27:10,000 –> 00:27:13,400
People who true true means go
into these systems like the

518
00:27:13,400 –> 00:27:17,300
Central Intelligence or FBI or
cops or even the military.

519
00:27:17,300 –> 00:27:21,500
I mean, think about World War
Two like movie stars gave up

520
00:27:21,500 –> 00:27:24,400
being movie stars and became
grunts in the Army to go fight

521
00:27:24,400 –> 00:27:27,400
in World War Two you know Clark
Gable Cary Grant and all those

522
00:27:27,700 –> 00:27:31,500
John Wayne didn’t but all those
yeah all those guys are any

523
00:27:31,500 –> 00:27:33,700
eilert.
Yeah yeah right but they fought

524
00:27:33,700 –> 00:27:36,700
side-by-side in uniforms without
special treatment for the most

525
00:27:36,700 –> 00:27:40,600
part because that’s what you did
you were in America And that’s

526
00:27:40,600 –> 00:27:42,900
you just did that.
I don’t see that happening.

527
00:27:42,900 –> 00:27:46,200
Daylight if we went to work,
nobody in the elite would go and

528
00:27:46,200 –> 00:27:47,600
fight.
It just doesn’t happen like that

529
00:27:47,600 –> 00:27:49,400
anymore.
But also going back to your

530
00:27:49,400 –> 00:27:53,300
point with like intelligence
agencies, which we have what 27

531
00:27:53,300 –> 00:27:55,700
of moment you don’t even.
Don’t even know what do.

532
00:27:55,700 –> 00:27:58,500
And that’s the ones we know of
the NSA was basically

533
00:27:58,500 –> 00:28:00,600
cryptozoology until the church
committee.

534
00:28:00,800 –> 00:28:03,300
Yeah, because no one thought it
exists, if they thought it was

535
00:28:03,300 –> 00:28:07,500
all cloak-and-dagger, bullshit.
But a lot of what happens in CIA

536
00:28:07,500 –> 00:28:09,700
is so banal.
And intelligence, I mean, I

537
00:28:10,000 –> 00:28:12,100
Friend.
I went to school in d.c. way

538
00:28:12,100 –> 00:28:14,700
back in the day and she in turn
there because her dad work

539
00:28:14,700 –> 00:28:16,600
there.
And her job was just sitting in

540
00:28:16,600 –> 00:28:21,600
this big gymnasium size room and
looking through local newspapers

541
00:28:21,600 –> 00:28:24,700
in America, and cutting out
articles, and pasting them into

542
00:28:24,700 –> 00:28:26,700
a binder, if they had keywords
in them.

543
00:28:26,700 –> 00:28:29,000
And she get a new set of
keywords every day and she just

544
00:28:29,000 –> 00:28:30,900
go through a paper, that’s what
she would do.

545
00:28:31,300 –> 00:28:33,800
Great hours.
And that’s, that’s more of what

546
00:28:33,800 –> 00:28:35,900
it is.
It’s an intelligence gathering

547
00:28:36,000 –> 00:28:39,700
and then executing plans, based
on that intelligence and America

548
00:28:39,700 –> 00:28:43,100
is An Empire.
Their job is to make sure that

549
00:28:43,200 –> 00:28:46,400
all the money and resources we
can are filtered through our

550
00:28:46,400 –> 00:28:50,000
banks and our pockets, so that
we stay the most powerful kid on

551
00:28:50,000 –> 00:28:52,300
the block.
That’s the point of it, right?

552
00:28:52,300 –> 00:28:54,900
Yeah.
And you brought up the church

553
00:28:54,900 –> 00:28:59,700
committee, the thing I think
that puts people’s minds at ease

554
00:28:59,700 –> 00:29:03,200
these days about the CIA is that
one of the things that came out

555
00:29:03,200 –> 00:29:07,700
of the church committee is well,
the CIA can’t operate on

556
00:29:07,700 –> 00:29:12,300
American soil anymore.
And I think my only reaction to

557
00:29:12,300 –> 00:29:15,300
that is okay.
Well then who does right?

558
00:29:15,400 –> 00:29:19,400
I know the CIA didn’t just throw
their hands up like the American

559
00:29:19,400 –> 00:29:23,000
government as a whole, I
promised everyone listening did,

560
00:29:23,000 –> 00:29:24,400
not at that point.
Go.

561
00:29:24,600 –> 00:29:26,900
Oh, okay.
Well, we’ll just, we’ll stop

562
00:29:27,000 –> 00:29:31,100
spying on Americans.
Like the NSA had already been in

563
00:29:31,100 –> 00:29:35,400
place for decades by then and
you mentioned like the

564
00:29:35,400 –> 00:29:38,700
mainstream media New York Times
especially when it comes to

565
00:29:38,700 –> 00:29:42,100
spying on.
Reckons there are a couple of

566
00:29:42,100 –> 00:29:45,500
stories that have never been
picked up by the mainstream

567
00:29:45,500 –> 00:29:49,700
media that are pretty shocking.
When it comes to intelligence

568
00:29:49,700 –> 00:29:53,500
agencies, operating on our soil,
one of them that came out a few

569
00:29:53,500 –> 00:29:55,200
years ago.
Every time I bring this up,

570
00:29:55,200 –> 00:29:58,400
people ask me to link them to
the article because to this day

571
00:29:58,400 –> 00:30:00,400
only Newsweek ever reported on
it.

572
00:30:00,400 –> 00:30:06,200
But the Department of Defense
for like 10 years now, has been

573
00:30:06,200 –> 00:30:09,800
building this network of
Americans.

574
00:30:10,000 –> 00:30:15,800
Sighs basically, who have gone
into like every facet of Life

575
00:30:15,800 –> 00:30:21,300
under assumed identities solely
for like intelligence-gathering

576
00:30:21,300 –> 00:30:24,300
purposes to just like keep an
eye on everyone.

577
00:30:24,300 –> 00:30:28,300
So like, if you’re involved in,
say the L a– comedy scene,

578
00:30:28,400 –> 00:30:32,000
there’s a fucking cop amongst
your midst.

579
00:30:32,000 –> 00:30:35,600
You can take that to the bank
because this article one of the

580
00:30:35,608 –> 00:30:39,000
things that mentioned was that I
think there’s like 30 to

581
00:30:39,900 –> 00:30:43,600
Thousand of them, that’s more
undercover agents than the CIA

582
00:30:43,600 –> 00:30:46,300
has.
And they’re just operating on

583
00:30:46,300 –> 00:30:49,200
American soil, spying on
Americans.

584
00:30:49,500 –> 00:30:53,400
So what’s it fucking matter is
the CIA can’t operate in the

585
00:30:53,400 –> 00:30:56,900
United States.
The cia’s whole purpose when

586
00:30:56,900 –> 00:31:00,500
they were founded was to just
collect all the intelligence

587
00:31:00,500 –> 00:31:03,900
from all the other agencies and
do what they will with it.

588
00:31:04,200 –> 00:31:07,900
So they don’t need to operate
here because we got this team of

589
00:31:07,900 –> 00:31:12,300
American spies and there’s also
So Jesse Ventura did an episode

590
00:31:12,300 –> 00:31:15,800
about it and I hate that I can’t
remember their name but this

591
00:31:15,800 –> 00:31:20,600
like network of American
Business people who are like in

592
00:31:20,700 –> 00:31:23,300
infrastructure fields and things
like that.

593
00:31:23,400 –> 00:31:27,500
And their whole thing is if we
hear anyone say anything,

594
00:31:27,800 –> 00:31:30,200
probably the same thing you
mentioned, probably like a

595
00:31:30,200 –> 00:31:36,300
keywords thing where if they
hear a person say something that

596
00:31:36,300 –> 00:31:40,300
seems like it might be related
to what whoever their Reporting

597
00:31:40,300 –> 00:31:43,300
to wants to hear.
They fucking report it back and

598
00:31:43,300 –> 00:31:47,100
there’s thousands tens of
thousands of them and it’s like

599
00:31:47,100 –> 00:31:48,100
least.
Yeah.

600
00:31:48,200 –> 00:31:51,400
And it’s like at that point.
What does it matter as the CIA

601
00:31:51,400 –> 00:31:53,100
doesn’t operate here?
Yeah.

602
00:31:53,500 –> 00:31:57,500
It’s the same as like, you know
in the UK they have MI6 and MI5,

603
00:31:57,500 –> 00:32:01,300
and MI6 is for MI5 is internal.
Yeah, yeah.

604
00:32:01,300 –> 00:32:03,300
And we still have the FBI,
right?

605
00:32:03,400 –> 00:32:06,800
And so it’s like well you don’t
think we have an MI5 equivalent

606
00:32:06,800 –> 00:32:09,800
to MI6.
That’s however, obviously FBI’s.

607
00:32:10,000 –> 00:32:14,500
Of very good parallel there but
of course, of course we do and

608
00:32:14,500 –> 00:32:17,500
also just the CIA can do
whatever once.

609
00:32:17,900 –> 00:32:20,100
Yeah, but only its, this is
America baby.

610
00:32:20,400 –> 00:32:22,100
You do everything.
You want until you get caught.

611
00:32:22,100 –> 00:32:24,700
Then you kind of say, you’re
sorry, you pay a fee and you

612
00:32:24,700 –> 00:32:26,600
keep doing what you’re doing.
I mean, I know that’s

613
00:32:26,600 –> 00:32:29,100
reductionist and shitty but
that’s kind of how it works.

614
00:32:29,400 –> 00:32:32,900
Yeah, I mean, I didn’t episode
sort of like this except I was

615
00:32:32,900 –> 00:32:37,300
the one pushing the theory and I
am a staunch believer that the

616
00:32:37,300 –> 00:32:40,200
CIA tried to kill Ray.
Reagan.

617
00:32:40,200 –> 00:32:43,300
Oh yeah.
Like that seems so obvious to me

618
00:32:43,300 –> 00:32:45,600
because you already you
mentioned the church committee

619
00:32:45,600 –> 00:32:49,000
and people who’ve listened to
this podcast, have heard me say

620
00:32:49,000 –> 00:32:51,300
this but the church committee
comes out and they’re like, hey

621
00:32:51,300 –> 00:32:54,700
the CIA can’t operate on
American soil and they have to

622
00:32:54,700 –> 00:32:58,000
make all these changes and Jimmy
Carter takes office.

623
00:32:58,000 –> 00:33:02,200
And he’s like, all right I guess
I’m gonna make those changes and

624
00:33:02,200 –> 00:33:06,200
as if by Magic at that point for
the first time in history the

625
00:33:06,200 –> 00:33:09,700
director of the CIA decides.
Oh I’m gonna run for Vice.

626
00:33:09,900 –> 00:33:14,200
Is it an and that director of
the CIA was George h.w.

627
00:33:14,200 –> 00:33:16,500
Bush?
And then what happens after

628
00:33:16,500 –> 00:33:21,500
Reagan gets elect, they
immediately after immediately

629
00:33:21,600 –> 00:33:23,600
after he gets elected, what
happens?

630
00:33:23,600 –> 00:33:30,000
He almost dies in the most
MKUltra assassination, attempt

631
00:33:30,000 –> 00:33:34,200
ever fucking Jodie.
Foster her name comes up, in it.

632
00:33:34,200 –> 00:33:39,100
It is such in MKUltra
assassination, attempt and it

633
00:33:39,100 –> 00:33:43,900
just Didn’t work he survived.
But there was which survived if

634
00:33:43,900 –> 00:33:46,900
there was that point where he
was in the hospital and I

635
00:33:46,900 –> 00:33:49,900
believe they made an
announcement that George Bush

636
00:33:49,900 –> 00:33:52,400
was briefly president.
Yeah.

637
00:33:52,400 –> 00:33:55,400
Or somebody was at the secretary
defense or somebody was like I’m

638
00:33:55,400 –> 00:33:57,900
in charge now and everyone’s
like what’s this guy talking

639
00:33:57,900 –> 00:34:00,500
about their welfare is a clip
somewhere of that?

640
00:34:00,500 –> 00:34:03,900
I could remember seeing that but
that’s just it like we know for

641
00:34:03,900 –> 00:34:07,800
a fact you can use LSD to get
people to believe things that

642
00:34:07,800 –> 00:34:11,400
are 100% fantasies.
Like that is unquestionable.

643
00:34:11,400 –> 00:34:14,000
If you’ve taken a fellow State,
you have had a flashback to

644
00:34:14,000 –> 00:34:17,800
something that does not exist.
That feels as real as you and I

645
00:34:17,808 –> 00:34:19,699
talking to each other right now.
Yeah.

646
00:34:19,800 –> 00:34:23,500
And that’s, you know, same thing
with Sarang Sarang who was in

647
00:34:23,500 –> 00:34:25,699
the room and Bobby Kennedy was
shot in the back of the head

648
00:34:25,900 –> 00:34:29,500
where he was convinced of
something that was completely

649
00:34:29,500 –> 00:34:32,000
Fantastical.
If you believe his testimony,

650
00:34:32,400 –> 00:34:36,600
same thing with even to accept
with John Lennon worse, a

651
00:34:36,607 –> 00:34:38,400
catcher, you’re obsessed with
Catcher in the Rye.

652
00:34:38,400 –> 00:34:39,699
You’ve read this thing over and
over and over.

653
00:34:39,800 –> 00:34:42,400
Get in your in a fantasy land
about it and you wouldn’t shot

654
00:34:42,400 –> 00:34:44,900
somebody over it as an
assassination, by political

655
00:34:44,900 –> 00:34:46,900
assassination You could argue as
well.

656
00:34:46,900 –> 00:34:51,100
Given that John Lennon was
extremely political and

657
00:34:51,100 –> 00:34:54,699
anti-war, and has one of my
favorite quotes about the end of

658
00:34:54,699 –> 00:34:57,700
the hippie movement in the end
of the true anti-war movement in

659
00:34:57,700 –> 00:35:00,700
America, where everyone sort of
gave up lifestyle culture took

660
00:35:00,700 –> 00:35:03,700
over, and he’s on Charlie Rose
or something.

661
00:35:03,700 –> 00:35:05,300
He’s like hey man, apathy a
minute.

662
00:35:05,300 –> 00:35:08,400
We have to keep fighting.
Yeah, and people stop fighting

663
00:35:08,400 –> 00:35:10,100
them.
I mean, we’re Laughter.

664
00:35:10,100 –> 00:35:13,900
Remember rack War, there were
protests, but nobody was out

665
00:35:13,900 –> 00:35:15,900
really protesting like this.
All these things out.

666
00:35:15,900 –> 00:35:20,100
Mocked for protesting the first
war in Iraq.

667
00:35:20,100 –> 00:35:23,200
Yeah, mocked the second war.
Yeah, they’re a little bit more,

668
00:35:23,200 –> 00:35:27,700
protests more in the UK than in
the US, but again, it just

669
00:35:27,700 –> 00:35:29,200
carried on and like nothing
happened.

670
00:35:29,200 –> 00:35:31,500
I mean, that word was
horrifically.

671
00:35:31,500 –> 00:35:34,700
Brutal in Iraq.
And a lot of cases in this

672
00:35:34,700 –> 00:35:38,000
country, those protests had
consequences like think about

673
00:35:38,000 –> 00:35:40,500
what happened to the Dixie.
A chicks.

674
00:35:40,500 –> 00:35:44,100
Yeah, we don’t bring that up
that much, but that’s a pretty

675
00:35:44,100 –> 00:35:49,500
wild moment in American history,
where they were, just like, Hey,

676
00:35:49,500 –> 00:35:54,100
we’re from Texas.
And our president is also from

677
00:35:54,100 –> 00:35:57,300
Texas and he launched this
illegal war in.

678
00:35:57,300 –> 00:36:00,000
It sucks.
And people were like you’re

679
00:36:00,000 –> 00:36:03,500
going to get people killed.
It’s like shut the fuck up.

680
00:36:03,500 –> 00:36:06,400
No, they’re not.
Yeah, and it’s wild how that

681
00:36:06,400 –> 00:36:08,800
destroyed their professional
lives.

682
00:36:09,000 –> 00:36:11,500
In such a way.
That they still kind of not

683
00:36:11,500 –> 00:36:13,500
recovered.
From, in one of the arguments

684
00:36:13,500 –> 00:36:17,600
was that they made America look
bad on the world stage because

685
00:36:17,600 –> 00:36:20,500
they were in England.
When they said it, it’s like us.

686
00:36:20,500 –> 00:36:24,500
Reckon the Middle East makes
America look bad on the world

687
00:36:24,500 –> 00:36:27,000
stage, you Maniacs.
Yeah.

688
00:36:27,000 –> 00:36:30,100
Sort of I remember at that time
as well, all the people who

689
00:36:30,200 –> 00:36:33,200
especially on the liberal side
who were against the war once we

690
00:36:33,200 –> 00:36:35,100
invaded their like, well our
troops are there now.

691
00:36:35,100 –> 00:36:36,200
So we have to support the
troops.

692
00:36:36,200 –> 00:36:38,900
So we’re for the war and it’s
like no motherfucker if you

693
00:36:38,900 –> 00:36:41,500
support the troops.
You don’t go send them to die

694
00:36:41,500 –> 00:36:44,600
needlessly in a place that has
nothing to do with anything

695
00:36:44,600 –> 00:36:48,600
besides us pursuing our Empire
goals of getting billions of

696
00:36:48,600 –> 00:36:51,000
dollars.
Filtered from taxpayers us into

697
00:36:51,000 –> 00:36:52,500
the pockets of billionaire
cronies.

698
00:36:52,800 –> 00:36:56,300
Yeah, you protest harder once?
Yeah, we deploy Partners.

699
00:36:56,500 –> 00:36:58,800
Everyone should have turned to
bring our boys home now and

700
00:36:58,800 –> 00:37:01,900
flooded the streets.
Yeah, but that, of course did

701
00:37:01,900 –> 00:37:04,500
not happen.
Hey how about Jonestown?

702
00:37:04,700 –> 00:37:06,300
What are your thoughts on
Jonestown?

703
00:37:06,400 –> 00:37:09,600
Because I mentioned it earlier
what I think.

704
00:37:09,900 –> 00:37:13,400
Bend not just with Jonestown I
think after the church

705
00:37:13,400 –> 00:37:18,400
committee, where they like the
CIA clearly had to end MKUltra,

706
00:37:18,400 –> 00:37:23,200
in some respects, it was a thing
that as well as they kept it

707
00:37:23,200 –> 00:37:25,400
secret, it was happening in
public.

708
00:37:25,500 –> 00:37:28,900
It was happening at colleges and
universities in the United

709
00:37:28,900 –> 00:37:33,400
States and they weren’t going to
be able to keep doing that.

710
00:37:33,500 –> 00:37:38,800
And what I’ve always kind of
assumed happened was they were

711
00:37:38,800 –> 00:37:43,000
like, oh, okay, here come a
bunch of Colts and communes and

712
00:37:43,000 –> 00:37:46,200
that’s what starts popping up in
the 80s.

713
00:37:46,200 –> 00:37:50,300
Especially we start hearing
about cults all over the place

714
00:37:50,400 –> 00:37:54,500
and I think like my theory and
it’s not just my theory.

715
00:37:54,500 –> 00:37:58,900
I when I did that episode I was
covering a book by a fucking

716
00:37:59,000 –> 00:38:03,700
strange, dude named Mike Myers
who might or might not exist

717
00:38:04,100 –> 00:38:09,700
about how Jonestown was almost
certainly like the culmination.

718
00:38:09,900 –> 00:38:15,200
Of MKUltra because MKUltra had
been done on individual people

719
00:38:15,300 –> 00:38:20,300
in hospital settings.
The next move is to do a field

720
00:38:20,300 –> 00:38:24,800
test like you have to test it on
a bunch of people at once kind

721
00:38:24,800 –> 00:38:29,000
of without them knowing in a lot
of details about how Jonestown

722
00:38:29,000 –> 00:38:32,300
worked speak to it, being a drug
test.

723
00:38:32,300 –> 00:38:36,000
For one thing, they had a shit
ton of drugs, they’re like

724
00:38:36,000 –> 00:38:39,500
appointed people finally went in
and investigated.

725
00:38:39,500 –> 00:38:43,300
They Had all these actually,
they only had to they had huge

726
00:38:43,300 –> 00:38:47,900
stockpiles of to specific drugs.
Which what the fuck is that?

727
00:38:47,900 –> 00:38:51,500
Like, obviously they’re testing,
someone was meth, right?

728
00:38:51,700 –> 00:38:55,300
We had a feta means, and I think
it was like, they were like,

729
00:38:55,300 –> 00:38:59,100
legitimate medical forms.
All right, whatever, drugs they

730
00:38:59,100 –> 00:39:00,900
had.
But yeah, I think one was like a

731
00:39:00,908 –> 00:39:04,500
meth type of thing they were
giving people weekly medical

732
00:39:04,500 –> 00:39:06,600
exams.
They had all of these detailed

733
00:39:06,600 –> 00:39:10,800
medical records, which were all
burned while Wild And one of the

734
00:39:10,800 –> 00:39:15,400
things they would do is once a
week, they would line everyone

735
00:39:15,400 –> 00:39:19,700
up and give them cookies and one
group would get one type of

736
00:39:19,700 –> 00:39:22,500
cookie and then there’d be a
second line, where that group

737
00:39:22,500 –> 00:39:25,400
would get that cookie.
And then a third line, where

738
00:39:25,400 –> 00:39:28,100
that group would get that
specific cookie and you were not

739
00:39:28,100 –> 00:39:30,900
to mix them.
There were ramifications for

740
00:39:30,900 –> 00:39:34,900
fucking with the cookies at
Jonestown and what does that

741
00:39:34,900 –> 00:39:37,000
sound like?
It sounds like one line getting

742
00:39:37,000 –> 00:39:39,700
one drug another line getting
the Other Drug.

743
00:39:39,900 –> 00:39:43,300
In another line, getting a
placebo, which is absolutely

744
00:39:43,400 –> 00:39:46,700
like, you can absolutely
synthesize drugs into food and

745
00:39:46,700 –> 00:39:50,100
it’s just a thing you take.
So if it’s in the cookie, you’re

746
00:39:50,100 –> 00:39:54,300
taking the drug and most of the
people who died were actually

747
00:39:54,300 –> 00:39:59,000
murdered a very small margin of
them drank the Kool-Aid, a lot

748
00:39:59,000 –> 00:40:02,100
of them were fucking shot or
stabbed, or injected.

749
00:40:02,100 –> 00:40:04,500
So, here’s the interesting thing
and this goes back to the merry

750
00:40:04,500 –> 00:40:06,800
pranksters because yes, they
were driving around.

751
00:40:07,100 –> 00:40:09,700
Giving people tons of LSD, you
would other drugs.

752
00:40:09,900 –> 00:40:13,500
That and Seda means, yeah,
medical-grade stockpiles of

753
00:40:13,500 –> 00:40:16,600
amphetamines that they were also
giving the people moreover, the

754
00:40:16,600 –> 00:40:19,100
Kool-Aid Acid Test was their big
thing.

755
00:40:19,100 –> 00:40:24,500
Yeah, that’s a huge coincidence.
That drink the Kool-Aid, the

756
00:40:24,500 –> 00:40:27,700
next time Kool-Aid became part
of the culture and that way was

757
00:40:27,700 –> 00:40:29,200
drink the Kool-Aid through
Jonestown.

758
00:40:29,700 –> 00:40:31,400
So you have the connection with
the drug.

759
00:40:31,400 –> 00:40:33,800
You have the connection with the
coltish behavior because merry

760
00:40:33,800 –> 00:40:36,000
pranksters was cold.
I mean there’s no other way to

761
00:40:36,008 –> 00:40:37,900
put it.
That was the first one coming

762
00:40:37,900 –> 00:40:39,700
out of the labs in San
Francisco.

763
00:40:39,800 –> 00:40:41,700
Of University labs in San
Francisco.

764
00:40:41,700 –> 00:40:44,100
I can totally see that as a
widening of will.

765
00:40:44,100 –> 00:40:46,600
What does this do?
In our real control outdoor

766
00:40:46,600 –> 00:40:48,300
situation?
As opposed to just the wild

767
00:40:48,300 –> 00:40:50,100
Outdoors situation?
Where it’s like, hey, these

768
00:40:50,100 –> 00:40:52,600
things are just passing the shit
out like candy at parties,

769
00:40:53,000 –> 00:40:55,000
right?
People are doing their thing and

770
00:40:55,000 –> 00:40:57,700
we’re learning that we get
people start shutting up about

771
00:40:57,700 –> 00:41:00,700
what we want them to shut up
about because to hide care to,

772
00:41:00,700 –> 00:41:05,600
how can we actually control?
Which is such a full-on Soviet

773
00:41:05,700 –> 00:41:10,300
Nazi Japanese World War, two
type of experiments, which I’m

774
00:41:10,300 –> 00:41:14,500
sure all three of those Empires
were doing in their gulags and

775
00:41:14,500 –> 00:41:19,400
concentration camps as well and
shock of all shocks, how many of

776
00:41:19,400 –> 00:41:22,700
the people in the hierarchy of
Jonestown were Nazis?

777
00:41:22,700 –> 00:41:27,000
Something like, well, like most
of them like that because the

778
00:41:27,000 –> 00:41:31,400
whole like, the Layton family
had ties to the Nazis.

779
00:41:31,500 –> 00:41:32,800
Yeah.
And it’s like, that’s not

780
00:41:32,800 –> 00:41:33,900
coincidental.
Like, yeah.

781
00:41:33,900 –> 00:41:36,300
Maybe the Coulee as a testing,
drink the Kool-Aid.

782
00:41:36,300 –> 00:41:39,700
That’s coincidental shirt.
Maybe, maybe, maybe it’s also.

783
00:41:39,800 –> 00:41:41,900
So a sick fucking joke because
that’s how sometimes those

784
00:41:41,900 –> 00:41:45,300
people think, yeah.
You know, they chuckle to

785
00:41:45,300 –> 00:41:46,900
themselves about stuff like
that.

786
00:41:46,900 –> 00:41:49,600
I don’t know.
Again, coincidences happen to

787
00:41:49,900 –> 00:41:53,200
all the goddamn time, of course,
with Jonestown, I think there’s

788
00:41:53,200 –> 00:41:56,800
far far, too much evidence
linking the hierarchy to put the

789
00:41:56,800 –> 00:42:00,400
Nazis and CIA, but also the
drugs that were involved in the

790
00:42:00,400 –> 00:42:03,500
what was the issues going on?
At the had to be an outdoor

791
00:42:03,500 –> 00:42:07,400
controlled human experiment of
some sort who was funding it and

792
00:42:07,400 –> 00:42:11,700
driving it who knows maybe was
Some intelligence group we don’t

793
00:42:11,700 –> 00:42:12,900
even know about.
Yeah.

794
00:42:13,000 –> 00:42:16,700
Maybe was a group of Physicians
who were part of the American

795
00:42:16,700 –> 00:42:19,600
Psychiatric association that we
don’t even know about.

796
00:42:19,900 –> 00:42:23,700
I would tend to lean more
towards MI6, CIA, sort of things

797
00:42:23,700 –> 00:42:27,800
because they’re the ones who
would have the ability to both

798
00:42:27,800 –> 00:42:29,900
Farm them.
The way they were armed, but

799
00:42:29,900 –> 00:42:32,400
also provide the amount of money
they needed without any

800
00:42:32,400 –> 00:42:35,200
question.
Yeah, and one of the things that

801
00:42:35,200 –> 00:42:41,300
Jonestown coincides with is the
CIA even In Guyana, at the same

802
00:42:41,300 –> 00:42:46,300
time, going into South America,
and Latin America, in general

803
00:42:46,400 –> 00:42:49,400
and trying to recruit
mercenaries.

804
00:42:49,500 –> 00:42:51,300
Yeah.
So if you’re trying to recruit

805
00:42:51,300 –> 00:42:55,200
mercenaries, why not, also set
up a camp where, you know, try

806
00:42:55,200 –> 00:42:58,800
and just make them, which is
fucking build them.

807
00:42:58,900 –> 00:43:04,700
Yeah, I mean, you see similar
tactics that were used to create

808
00:43:04,700 –> 00:43:07,500
very violent people who murdered
in Jonestown.

809
00:43:07,500 –> 00:43:10,700
Are the exact same tactics that
are used in On Eastern Africa to

810
00:43:10,700 –> 00:43:15,000
create child armies, right?
Where you’re given a specific

811
00:43:15,000 –> 00:43:16,500
food.
You’re given specific drug at a

812
00:43:16,508 –> 00:43:20,600
specific time and your drilled
into with cult-like Precision to

813
00:43:20,600 –> 00:43:23,100
create armies that go and do
horrific things.

814
00:43:23,100 –> 00:43:28,400
And so in a sense that was the
success that proved it could be

815
00:43:28,400 –> 00:43:31,900
done because if you and this is
again, this isn’t conspiracy

816
00:43:31,900 –> 00:43:33,300
theory.
This is just the way the world

817
00:43:33,300 –> 00:43:35,900
fuck it works.
You look into where those armies

818
00:43:35,900 –> 00:43:38,900
are funded in central Eastern
Africa, with the child soldiers

819
00:43:38,900 –> 00:43:41,100
and all that.
It’s all Oh, Bankers in France.

820
00:43:41,100 –> 00:43:45,100
Belgium like a devil in the u.s.
they’re just extracting money

821
00:43:45,100 –> 00:43:46,700
from a place.
There are no longer allowed to

822
00:43:46,700 –> 00:43:50,000
colonize so they just colonize
it a different way by proxy.

823
00:43:50,100 –> 00:43:51,200
Yeah.
You don’t think tracking that

824
00:43:51,200 –> 00:43:52,000
money.
Yeah.

825
00:43:52,000 –> 00:43:55,900
You don’t have to colonize it.
If the local government is

826
00:43:56,200 –> 00:43:58,100
heating to your business
interests.

827
00:43:58,200 –> 00:44:00,800
Great.
Yeah and you know the CIA is

828
00:44:00,800 –> 00:44:03,100
really good at that.
They’ve toppled how many

829
00:44:03,400 –> 00:44:05,900
democratically elected Communist
governments around the world in

830
00:44:05,900 –> 00:44:09,500
the last 100 years alone.
All of them pretty much all of

831
00:44:09,500 –> 00:44:12,100
them.
It’s Amanda always drives me

832
00:44:12,100 –> 00:44:13,300
nuts.
When someone was like, well,

833
00:44:13,300 –> 00:44:16,800
they were 48 Communist
governments in the 20th century

834
00:44:16,800 –> 00:44:19,100
and All 48 failed.
So that proves it’s a failure

835
00:44:19,100 –> 00:44:21,500
and it’s like, no.
All 48 were fucking murdered in

836
00:44:21,500 –> 00:44:23,200
the crib by the CIA.
Yeah.

837
00:44:23,200 –> 00:44:24,300
Yeah.
That proves nothing.

838
00:44:24,900 –> 00:44:27,300
Yeah.
We had a pretty big role in that

839
00:44:27,400 –> 00:44:31,000
and yeah, that’s the other thing
about the church committee

840
00:44:31,000 –> 00:44:33,800
ruling that they couldn’t
operate on American soil.

841
00:44:33,800 –> 00:44:35,300
By that point, they didn’t want
to.

842
00:44:35,300 –> 00:44:39,600
They were already so deep into
toppling governments.

843
00:44:39,800 –> 00:44:42,700
It’s on foreign soil that and
good at it.

844
00:44:42,800 –> 00:44:44,300
Yeah.
So good at it.

845
00:44:44,300 –> 00:44:47,400
Like, they didn’t need to fuck
around in the United States.

846
00:44:47,400 –> 00:44:50,300
We have so many other
intelligence agencies that can

847
00:44:50,700 –> 00:44:54,000
worry about that.
And again, maybe they do and

848
00:44:54,000 –> 00:44:58,000
they just don’t tell us.
Speaking to the idea that

849
00:44:58,000 –> 00:45:05,200
MKUltra either didn’t end or was
actually more successful than we

850
00:45:05,200 –> 00:45:11,000
admit to our episode.
Last week, was one that I was

851
00:45:11,000 –> 00:45:14,000
initially going to do as an
episode of our true crime

852
00:45:14,000 –> 00:45:19,400
podcast and it was about the
Sarah Lawrence College, sex

853
00:45:19,400 –> 00:45:22,100
cult, which was yeah, that’s a
wild story.

854
00:45:22,200 –> 00:45:26,200
Yeah, that story is this guy
gets out of prison moves in with

855
00:45:26,300 –> 00:45:30,700
His daughter in her like eight
College friends and just

856
00:45:31,200 –> 00:45:35,600
systematically turns them not
just into a cult.

857
00:45:35,600 –> 00:45:41,900
But he like drills down on each
kid in like so quickly is able

858
00:45:41,900 –> 00:45:47,100
to turn them into just like a
devotee of Larry Ray and when he

859
00:45:47,100 –> 00:45:49,900
first got there he was talking
about like all of his government

860
00:45:49,900 –> 00:45:55,000
connections and he mentions his
time with the CIA and it’s like

861
00:45:55,000 –> 00:45:59,500
that’s where he learned.
That obviously like the CIA for

862
00:45:59,500 –> 00:46:03,600
so many decades.
After World War Two was just

863
00:46:03,600 –> 00:46:08,400
about mind control and like how
can we get people to do what we

864
00:46:08,400 –> 00:46:11,100
want?
Be it through force or through

865
00:46:11,100 –> 00:46:15,300
weird fucking psychiatric
tactics and it seems like this

866
00:46:15,300 –> 00:46:19,300
guy got out moved in with this
house full of kids and used his

867
00:46:19,300 –> 00:46:23,800
CIA shit on those kids.
And you know this isn’t it isn’t

868
00:46:23,800 –> 00:46:26,100
even special to the US service
CIA.

869
00:46:26,300 –> 00:46:28,800
And just look at the stars.
See what they did in Eastern

870
00:46:28,800 –> 00:46:30,800
Germany.
Yeah, during the second half of

871
00:46:30,800 –> 00:46:34,000
the 20th century, that whole
film the lives of others, it’s

872
00:46:34,000 –> 00:46:35,700
exactly that.
It’s like finding people’s

873
00:46:35,700 –> 00:46:39,200
vulnerability and twisting them
to do what you need them to do.

874
00:46:39,300 –> 00:46:42,800
And again, it’s not like they’re
recruited or you’re a goddamn

875
00:46:42,800 –> 00:46:45,200
CIA agent or a Manchurian
Candidate.

876
00:46:45,400 –> 00:46:48,900
It’s just people then getting
manipulated in ways that it’s

877
00:46:48,900 –> 00:46:52,900
really, really hard to detect,
but also protect against when

878
00:46:52,900 –> 00:46:55,100
somebody is a professional at
it.

879
00:46:55,200 –> 00:46:56,600
Yeah.
And that’s another Other thing

880
00:46:56,600 –> 00:46:58,700
that drives me nuts when people
are like oh that government

881
00:46:58,700 –> 00:47:01,000
couldn’t be smart enough to do
this, they’re all idiots.

882
00:47:01,000 –> 00:47:02,400
A little less like no, they’re
not.

883
00:47:02,400 –> 00:47:04,700
There’s some idiots in Congress
because that’s what Congress is

884
00:47:04,700 –> 00:47:06,900
for its created to put all the
idiots in.

885
00:47:07,300 –> 00:47:11,200
But the people who are working
in the CIA and K Ultra our

886
00:47:11,200 –> 00:47:16,300
genius scientists who have a
very, very loose grasp on

887
00:47:16,300 –> 00:47:18,000
morality and ethics.
Yeah.

888
00:47:18,000 –> 00:47:20,800
And they’ve gone to the best
schools and have the best

889
00:47:20,800 –> 00:47:23,000
education.
So they have a brain that

890
00:47:23,000 –> 00:47:24,900
probably we don’t quite
understand.

891
00:47:25,200 –> 00:47:29,800
Moreover Are people in places
like CIA or even to lesser

892
00:47:29,800 –> 00:47:33,500
extend FBI but MI6, all those
fuckers at MI6 went to Eton and

893
00:47:33,500 –> 00:47:35,200
Oxford and King’s College and
all that.

894
00:47:35,200 –> 00:47:37,700
She’s just like all those
fuckers at CIA in the hierarchy,

895
00:47:38,100 –> 00:47:40,900
went to Yale and Harvard and
they’re part of skull and bones.

896
00:47:40,900 –> 00:47:42,300
And guess what?
They can do keep fucking

897
00:47:42,300 –> 00:47:44,600
secrets, guess what?
The probably pretty fucking

898
00:47:44,600 –> 00:47:47,100
smart because they got to that
position.

899
00:47:47,500 –> 00:47:49,800
Not saying they’re good, but
they’re not dumb either.

900
00:47:49,800 –> 00:47:53,400
And that’s, you know, this is
tangent but when I see Ron

901
00:47:53,400 –> 00:47:56,000
DeSantis, that’s like
motherfucker went to Yale and

902
00:47:56,000 –> 00:47:58,400
Harvard.
Harvard and he’s a huge piece of

903
00:47:58,408 –> 00:47:59,600
shit.
That doesn’t back down, guess

904
00:47:59,600 –> 00:48:00,600
what?
He’s going to be president,

905
00:48:00,600 –> 00:48:04,400
because he’s done all the right
things to be president, because

906
00:48:04,700 –> 00:48:07,600
he’s in all the right clubs,
he’s done all the right bullshit

907
00:48:07,600 –> 00:48:10,900
through his life and people are
treating him the way they

908
00:48:10,900 –> 00:48:14,600
treated Trump in 2016.
Big big difference because he’s

909
00:48:14,600 –> 00:48:16,900
a True Believer in that
bullshit, right?

910
00:48:16,900 –> 00:48:20,600
And the thing about Trump,
that’s the thing people are

911
00:48:20,600 –> 00:48:22,100
like, well he’s not going to be
Trump.

912
00:48:22,100 –> 00:48:26,000
He is going to mop the fucking
floor with Trump at the

913
00:48:26,300 –> 00:48:30,800
Primaries.
And I mean, Trump might run as

914
00:48:30,800 –> 00:48:34,400
an independent and Ron DeSantis
might have to like put down

915
00:48:34,400 –> 00:48:38,000
another January 6th, Riot, but
he’s going to fucking beat

916
00:48:38,000 –> 00:48:38,800
Trump.
Yeah.

917
00:48:38,900 –> 00:48:43,000
He’s such an effective
politician and absolutely, I

918
00:48:43,000 –> 00:48:44,700
think you’re right.
It’s because he’s gone through

919
00:48:44,700 –> 00:48:49,000
all those institutions.
Like he’s the scary version of

920
00:48:49,000 –> 00:48:51,100
trump.
That people have been saying

921
00:48:51,400 –> 00:48:54,300
would be coming.
Like he’s that version that

922
00:48:54,300 –> 00:48:56,300
believes all the Trump shit.
It.

923
00:48:56,300 –> 00:48:58,800
But he’s just so good at being a
politician.

924
00:48:58,800 –> 00:49:02,600
Like he won like 104 percent of
the vote in Florida.

925
00:49:02,700 –> 00:49:08,600
Like he grabbed a unified that
state around Trump ideals.

926
00:49:08,600 –> 00:49:13,200
That’s not nothing like that.
So he’s executing those ideals

927
00:49:13,200 –> 00:49:14,600
in real life.
Yeah.

928
00:49:14,700 –> 00:49:18,000
To a point where he’s taking on
Disney and that’s not even a big

929
00:49:18,000 –> 00:49:19,400
fucking deal.
I don’t give a shit about

930
00:49:19,400 –> 00:49:22,600
Disney, but like something that
would be unheard of and he’s

931
00:49:22,600 –> 00:49:25,900
probably going to help break
that shit in Florida for the

932
00:49:25,900 –> 00:49:29,300
first.
Ever and it’s really, really,

933
00:49:29,300 –> 00:49:33,200
really hard for people.
Not to respect someone who gets

934
00:49:33,200 –> 00:49:35,100
shit done, even if they don’t
agree with the shit, he’s

935
00:49:35,100 –> 00:49:38,600
getting done.
Yeah and you’re right, whenever

936
00:49:38,600 –> 00:49:42,800
I hear people shoot down the
idea of any conspiracy theory on

937
00:49:42,800 –> 00:49:46,700
the grounds that of American
governments, not competent

938
00:49:46,800 –> 00:49:51,200
enough to do stuff like that.
My first thought is like are you

939
00:49:51,200 –> 00:49:53,900
part of it?
Because that’s an insane thing

940
00:49:53,900 –> 00:49:59,100
to say saying like we
Essentially rule the world and

941
00:49:59,100 –> 00:50:04,600
we have for a long, long time.
You don’t do that by being

942
00:50:04,600 –> 00:50:09,000
sloppy and stupid.
You do it by convincing people.

943
00:50:09,000 –> 00:50:13,000
You’re not competent enough to
do it at least in part and also

944
00:50:13,600 –> 00:50:16,500
it’s not like mistakes aren’t
made or failures don’t happen.

945
00:50:16,500 –> 00:50:19,500
When you are in that shark
fishing, and it’s what I see

946
00:50:19,500 –> 00:50:21,900
when people talk about
billionaires and like how

947
00:50:22,000 –> 00:50:23,300
invited there’s no love lost
there.

948
00:50:23,300 –> 00:50:26,000
But like how they don’t quite
understand that people like,

949
00:50:26,200 –> 00:50:29,000
Branson doesn’t give a fuck
about rules or what you should

950
00:50:29,000 –> 00:50:31,300
be doing.
He just does shit, right?

951
00:50:31,400 –> 00:50:34,000
And then at either pans out and
he makes money or it doesn’t pan

952
00:50:34,000 –> 00:50:35,300
out that he doesn’t ever think
about it.

953
00:50:35,300 –> 00:50:37,000
Again he just goes, it does more
shit?

954
00:50:37,000 –> 00:50:39,200
Where is he doesn’t?
He doesn’t there be like oh I

955
00:50:39,207 –> 00:50:41,000
want to buy an airline.
I wonder what that’s going to do

956
00:50:41,000 –> 00:50:42,500
for about pollution.
I wonder what’s going to do

957
00:50:42,500 –> 00:50:44,000
about blah blah.
He’s like no I just went bought

958
00:50:44,000 –> 00:50:46,600
an airplane and fucking flew it
to the Caribbean.

959
00:50:46,700 –> 00:50:49,100
Yeah and then I bought another
airplane and flew it and then

960
00:50:49,100 –> 00:50:51,400
now I have an airline and as
blah blah blah blah.

961
00:50:51,400 –> 00:50:55,300
Now I’m going to fly one to
space you brave but that’s a lot

962
00:50:55,300 –> 00:50:57,300
of house.
How a lot of this works is where

963
00:50:57,300 –> 00:51:00,300
it’s like.
Okay, we’re going to go topple

964
00:51:00,300 –> 00:51:03,200
desire government because they
elected a communist work

965
00:51:03,200 –> 00:51:04,300
perfectly.
Okay.

966
00:51:04,300 –> 00:51:06,800
We’re gonna go top of the Cuban
government because we’ve seen

967
00:51:06,800 –> 00:51:09,200
this work in Indonesia and
Zaire, blah, blah blah didn’t

968
00:51:09,200 –> 00:51:10,800
work.
Does it mean they’re stupid?

969
00:51:10,900 –> 00:51:13,800
Because means it didn’t work.
Yeah, I think Venezuela is a

970
00:51:13,800 –> 00:51:18,400
good recent example.
There is no, we tried to topple

971
00:51:18,400 –> 00:51:21,500
the Venezuelan government like a
day after he go.

972
00:51:21,500 –> 00:51:25,000
Chavez was elected.
And the people took to the

973
00:51:25,000 –> 00:51:30,400
streets to the That we were
like, okay goddamn and we just

974
00:51:30,400 –> 00:51:35,100
let him out of jail and let him
take the presidency back and

975
00:51:35,100 –> 00:51:38,100
ever since then, we’ve been like
rules honestly, you

976
00:51:38,100 –> 00:51:40,500
motherfuckers.
See got Devon in the good old

977
00:51:40,500 –> 00:51:41,500
days.
We would just throw in that

978
00:51:41,500 –> 00:51:43,200
motherfucker out of a play.
Yeah.

979
00:51:43,300 –> 00:51:46,600
But that’s just said, like,
yeah, we did do that.

980
00:51:46,700 –> 00:51:49,600
We threw them over to playing.
Yeah.

981
00:51:49,900 –> 00:51:53,100
Because he was a communist, but
that’s just it like, and that’s

982
00:51:53,100 –> 00:51:56,400
what it goes with with MKUltra.
Like, I don’t think that MK

983
00:51:56,400 –> 00:51:59,800
Ultra carried on and then see I
was like oh we’re going to put

984
00:51:59,800 –> 00:52:02,400
MKUltra into social media,
through Facebook.

985
00:52:02,600 –> 00:52:04,600
I think social media came around
in our life.

986
00:52:04,600 –> 00:52:07,400
This is where people are going
to get their news and this is

987
00:52:07,400 –> 00:52:10,100
making people happy and sad.
Obviously there’s a serotonin

988
00:52:10,100 –> 00:52:12,000
dopamine connection.
And look, we have all this

989
00:52:12,000 –> 00:52:17,000
research of what we can do with
those facets of people’s brains

990
00:52:17,000 –> 00:52:20,600
and their personalities.
Let’s see if we Tinker around in

991
00:52:20,600 –> 00:52:25,100
in social media here and so for
me MKUltra, it is no longer

992
00:52:25,100 –> 00:52:28,000
MKUltra.
There’s no denying that CIA,

993
00:52:28,000 –> 00:52:31,300
especially but also intelligence
agencies that do this shit but

994
00:52:31,300 –> 00:52:35,500
nipple, I hated social medias to
make it more addictive and to do

995
00:52:35,500 –> 00:52:37,200
the exact same things to our
brains.

996
00:52:37,200 –> 00:52:41,700
That LSD does that to me?
Is it Heritage at least

997
00:52:41,700 –> 00:52:43,100
conspiracy?
No.

998
00:52:43,200 –> 00:52:45,400
That’s just what they do.
But again, I don’t think they

999
00:52:45,400 –> 00:52:48,500
created it as an extension.
I think they happened upon it.

1000
00:52:48,500 –> 00:52:53,400
Yeah, I would agree with that
and I would at least put forth a

1001
00:52:53,400 –> 00:52:56,000
guess that that might have a lot
to do.

1002
00:52:56,100 –> 00:53:00,300
With the push against Tick Tock
because I sure don’t think it’s

1003
00:53:00,300 –> 00:53:02,500
privacy.
We did an episode of the

1004
00:53:02,500 –> 00:53:07,100
unpopular Opinion podcast, what
couple months ago and chat wild

1005
00:53:07,100 –> 00:53:10,800
was one of the guests chat used
to be a big part of the network.

1006
00:53:10,800 –> 00:53:14,300
One of the hosts, we love chat
will still have him on from time

1007
00:53:14,300 –> 00:53:17,100
to time, but he’s like a
legitimate mental health,

1008
00:53:17,100 –> 00:53:21,900
professional now.
And he cited a bunch of

1009
00:53:21,900 –> 00:53:28,400
Statistics from like an actual
study into, And like the speed

1010
00:53:28,400 –> 00:53:32,700
with which teens and kids,
especially are met with body

1011
00:53:32,700 –> 00:53:35,300
image content.
Mental health content like

1012
00:53:35,600 –> 00:53:38,200
immediately upon getting on
there.

1013
00:53:38,300 –> 00:53:42,200
I would guess that’s probably
the American government’s bigger

1014
00:53:42,200 –> 00:53:45,600
concern is like, no, no, no.
We do that.

1015
00:53:45,600 –> 00:53:48,800
To kids on Facebook and Twitter
and Instagram.

1016
00:53:48,800 –> 00:53:51,700
We’re not going to have China
fucking coming in and doing that

1017
00:53:51,700 –> 00:53:56,000
to our kids here, because then
that’s a whole battle between

1018
00:53:56,100 –> 00:53:59,600
Mean like who’s influencing
elections like, who’s better at

1019
00:53:59,600 –> 00:54:01,000
it?
And we know China is going to be

1020
00:54:01,000 –> 00:54:03,100
better at it.
They’re already better at it.

1021
00:54:03,100 –> 00:54:06,300
Tick tock is so fucking huge and
there’s a reason it’s getting

1022
00:54:06,300 –> 00:54:09,000
banned in some states.
But yeah, state governments

1023
00:54:09,000 –> 00:54:13,100
because it is a foreign actor,
affecting the population of the

1024
00:54:13,100 –> 00:54:14,600
United States period.
Yeah.

1025
00:54:14,600 –> 00:54:17,200
Like there’s no getting around
that and we know what this stuff

1026
00:54:17,200 –> 00:54:19,900
does because we helped create it
with a Facebook in the CIA

1027
00:54:19,900 –> 00:54:23,100
goddamn 2011.
So it’s not like it’s something

1028
00:54:23,100 –> 00:54:28,700
we it’s out of the blue but also
I don’t think people understand

1029
00:54:28,700 –> 00:54:31,600
the way a lot of these
governments think is they do

1030
00:54:31,600 –> 00:54:34,800
have plans for maybe one day
we’re going to have to fucking

1031
00:54:34,800 –> 00:54:36,500
do a land invasion in the United
States.

1032
00:54:37,100 –> 00:54:39,500
Maybe one day we are going to
have to, you know, take over

1033
00:54:39,500 –> 00:54:41,700
Europe with Russia or whatever
doesn’t matter if they have

1034
00:54:41,700 –> 00:54:45,900
plans for all this shit and it’s
little pricks as you know, death

1035
00:54:45,900 –> 00:54:48,500
by a million Cuts or thing was
like well if we can get

1036
00:54:48,500 –> 00:54:51,800
everybody feeling like shit and
on willing to be part of a team,

1037
00:54:51,900 –> 00:54:55,200
even if it’s only 10% of the
people that’s still ten percent

1038
00:54:55,200 –> 00:54:57,600
less people we have.
To fucking deal with when we go

1039
00:54:57,600 –> 00:54:59,200
over there and take shit over.
Yeah.

1040
00:54:59,300 –> 00:55:02,800
Or that’s 10% less people that
might fight on our side.

1041
00:55:02,900 –> 00:55:04,400
Right?
Because, you know, nobody ever

1042
00:55:04,400 –> 00:55:07,200
talks about all the Russians
that were fighting for the Nazis

1043
00:55:07,200 –> 00:55:09,900
against Russia because they hate
it Stalin that always.

1044
00:55:09,900 –> 00:55:13,200
So you conveniently gets left
out of the history because I was

1045
00:55:13,200 –> 00:55:15,500
like, oh no, this is great.
You know, battle between your

1046
00:55:15,500 –> 00:55:17,900
all the Americans, who went back
to Germany to fight on the Nazi

1047
00:55:17,900 –> 00:55:20,200
side, right?
Right against the United States,

1048
00:55:20,200 –> 00:55:25,000
no, because it’s very I want to
say easy, but it’s very

1049
00:55:25,000 –> 00:55:27,600
possible.
To manipulate people into doing

1050
00:55:27,600 –> 00:55:29,600
very dumb shit.
Very easily.

1051
00:55:29,600 –> 00:55:30,400
Yeah, sure.
Okay.

1052
00:55:30,400 –> 00:55:33,300
Ultra that’s what we learned
exactly.

1053
00:55:33,300 –> 00:55:34,800
Yeah.
And I think you’re right like

1054
00:55:34,800 –> 00:55:37,600
social media does seem like an
extension of that.

1055
00:55:37,600 –> 00:55:39,800
It seems like the easiest
version of it.

1056
00:55:39,800 –> 00:55:41,000
Yeah.
You don’t have to do, see

1057
00:55:41,000 –> 00:55:43,300
anybody they don’t dose
themselves every morning.

1058
00:55:43,300 –> 00:55:45,700
When they wake up a biggish, it
and scroll and they’re going to

1059
00:55:45,700 –> 00:55:47,600
do some cells up every coffee
break.

1060
00:55:47,600 –> 00:55:51,900
You know, I do sometimes feel
like especially with Twitter,

1061
00:55:51,900 –> 00:55:55,900
like taking in Twitter for
entertainment purposes feel.

1062
00:55:56,100 –> 00:55:59,100
He’s like, low-key mental
illness to me, it’s like, but,

1063
00:55:59,100 –> 00:56:02,400
you know.
Yeah, just want to be sad.

1064
00:56:02,500 –> 00:56:05,500
Did you wake up?
Like, oh, I’m not angry enough

1065
00:56:05,500 –> 00:56:09,200
right now.
Let me go on Twitter and find a

1066
00:56:09,200 –> 00:56:13,100
reason to be fucking irate all
day.

1067
00:56:13,100 –> 00:56:15,400
And it’s like, why do you want
that?

1068
00:56:15,500 –> 00:56:17,300
This makes no sense to me.
You know?

1069
00:56:17,300 –> 00:56:19,500
What’s interesting is well and
this is plays into the addiction

1070
00:56:19,500 –> 00:56:21,600
is so of it all, but I look
Facebook.

1071
00:56:21,700 –> 00:56:25,500
Got over 10 years ago and I left
Twitter in 2020 and I’m not

1072
00:56:25,500 –> 00:56:27,500
breaking up.
I’m saying it matter-of-factly.

1073
00:56:27,600 –> 00:56:29,400
Yeah.
But I remember when I left

1074
00:56:29,400 –> 00:56:31,300
Facebook.
It was like I quit smoking.

1075
00:56:31,400 –> 00:56:32,800
It’s like I could breathe more
easily.

1076
00:56:32,800 –> 00:56:35,600
It’s like food, tasted better.
It was like, I gave up something

1077
00:56:35,600 –> 00:56:39,200
that was muting everything in my
life, physically and mentally.

1078
00:56:39,500 –> 00:56:42,300
And I had the same effect when I
left Twitter or just like, oh my

1079
00:56:42,300 –> 00:56:46,000
God, it’s like I quit drinking,
you know, and I suddenly happier

1080
00:56:46,000 –> 00:56:48,300
and sober and I wasn’t waking up
hungover every morning and I

1081
00:56:48,308 –> 00:56:50,700
didn’t have a headache.
I wasn’t angry for no reason.

1082
00:56:51,100 –> 00:56:55,200
And that is to me telling, as
like, you see people especially

1083
00:56:55,200 –> 00:56:57,500
on Twitter and Look, I’m on
Instagram all the time.

1084
00:56:57,500 –> 00:56:59,200
I’m not.
Ya know, I’m part of the

1085
00:56:59,207 –> 00:57:01,100
problem.
Don’t get me wrong and I totally

1086
00:57:01,100 –> 00:57:03,500
understand that I am dosing
myself on Instagram.

1087
00:57:03,800 –> 00:57:05,200
What?
I’m scrolling through the reels.

1088
00:57:05,200 –> 00:57:08,200
I get it.
But I kind of get happy on

1089
00:57:08,200 –> 00:57:11,300
Instagram because I curated it
for just the people I know in

1090
00:57:11,300 –> 00:57:15,200
the whiskey industry, basically.
So yeah, there’s no fighting

1091
00:57:15,200 –> 00:57:17,800
ever.
And anyway, that is one of the

1092
00:57:17,800 –> 00:57:22,600
things I appreciate about
Instagram, like when I hit that

1093
00:57:22,600 –> 00:57:29,400
explore button right now, I get
any L updates and cute videos of

1094
00:57:29,400 –> 00:57:31,000
dogs and cats.
Yeah.

1095
00:57:31,100 –> 00:57:34,700
And like I fucking love it.
Like they didn’t know what I’m

1096
00:57:34,700 –> 00:57:37,900
there for and they the fucking
targeted ads are great.

1097
00:57:37,900 –> 00:57:41,600
Yeah, I buy so much shit off
Instagram and it’s not like I

1098
00:57:41,600 –> 00:57:45,500
actually don’t find that that
creepy like if they’re like, hey

1099
00:57:45,500 –> 00:57:47,500
Adam, you’d like this pair of
Chuck Taylors.

1100
00:57:47,700 –> 00:57:49,800
I’m like, yes I would.
You’re right.

1101
00:57:49,800 –> 00:57:51,700
That’s why I just bought a pair
of sunglasses that I’ve been

1102
00:57:51,700 –> 00:57:53,900
looking for for years.
I was like there they are.

1103
00:57:53,900 –> 00:57:56,900
Yeah, you Instagram so I get it,
but Like with Twitter, I’ve

1104
00:57:56,900 –> 00:58:00,000
really noticed recently as well
like, Twitter brain with people

1105
00:58:00,000 –> 00:58:02,600
where it’s like opinions are
very similar.

1106
00:58:02,600 –> 00:58:05,900
I’m around a lot of like movie
critic people and all the people

1107
00:58:05,900 –> 00:58:10,600
over the last year, who had like
hardcore Twitter interactions at

1108
00:58:10,600 –> 00:58:13,100
the same weird opinions about
movies where they didn’t get

1109
00:58:13,100 –> 00:58:15,500
certain things or they are.
There was like they’re watching

1110
00:58:15,500 –> 00:58:17,700
a different movie where’s like
what you talking about man?

1111
00:58:17,700 –> 00:58:20,600
Which leads me back to that
flashback thing, you get from

1112
00:58:20,600 –> 00:58:23,300
fucking taking too much LSD
where you’re trying to start to

1113
00:58:23,300 –> 00:58:25,900
live in a different world and
you have different memories.

1114
00:58:26,100 –> 00:58:28,400
Things that might not be real,
or you’re just not seeing things

1115
00:58:28,400 –> 00:58:31,300
the way they are, because that’s
what happens with too much LSD.

1116
00:58:31,300 –> 00:58:34,700
And again, I know how we like to
talk about using hallucinogens

1117
00:58:34,700 –> 00:58:37,400
as therapy but that’s as a
therapy, right?

1118
00:58:37,400 –> 00:58:39,900
You can use alcohol to clean out
a wound or you can use it to

1119
00:58:39,900 –> 00:58:42,000
kill yourself by drinking too
much of it.

1120
00:58:42,100 –> 00:58:45,800
So it’s definitely I feel and I
don’t really think it’s that

1121
00:58:45,800 –> 00:58:48,500
much of a conspiracy because you
can follow you can follow the

1122
00:58:48,500 –> 00:58:51,500
history of it.
That, you know, going from CIA

1123
00:58:51,500 –> 00:58:52,900
Weber kettle tour through the
80s.

1124
00:58:53,000 –> 00:58:54,900
Etc, etc.
Going out into the world with

1125
00:58:54,900 –> 00:58:58,400
things like Jonestown.
But then, just here comes the

1126
00:58:58,400 –> 00:59:00,800
internet and social media, and
they were like, hmm.

1127
00:59:01,000 –> 00:59:03,100
Let’s see how this applies
there?

1128
00:59:03,300 –> 00:59:06,900
Because again, it’s cold dish.
It’s a public Community.

1129
00:59:07,300 –> 00:59:10,300
Its people looking for
individualism, which is exactly

1130
00:59:10,300 –> 00:59:13,800
in line with what LSD does
you’re looking at yourself, you

1131
00:59:13,800 –> 00:59:17,600
go death, disassociated from
empathy, all that stuff, it all

1132
00:59:17,700 –> 00:59:20,900
in my mind, fix it, especially
given how fucking crazy people

1133
00:59:21,000 –> 00:59:23,700
have gone online where they’re
literally live in a different

1134
00:59:23,700 –> 00:59:24,800
reality.
Yeah.

1135
00:59:25,100 –> 00:59:31,200
And As much as I was just kind
of praising Instagram and

1136
00:59:31,400 –> 00:59:35,200
shitting on Tick, Tock for being
like a foreign Invader in this

1137
00:59:35,200 –> 00:59:39,600
country.
You also can’t discount how

1138
00:59:39,600 –> 00:59:46,600
perfectly social media and like,
DNA websites are kind of setting

1139
00:59:46,600 –> 00:59:50,800
the stage for like another
genocide of sorta race war.

1140
00:59:50,800 –> 00:59:54,300
Yeah, one of the most terrifying
things I’ve heard in a

1141
00:59:54,308 –> 00:59:58,600
documentary recently.
There is an alien documentary, a

1142
00:59:58,600 –> 01:00:05,100
UFO documentary that we covered
on the Pod recently and goddamn

1143
01:00:05,100 –> 01:00:06,800
it.
Now, I can’t remember the name

1144
01:00:06,800 –> 01:00:12,100
of it, but the subtitle of it is
like UFOs and the intelligence

1145
01:00:12,100 –> 01:00:16,400
community and they interview
like a bunch of fucking CIA

1146
01:00:16,400 –> 01:00:19,200
agents and shit, who I’m, I
guess supposed to trust.

1147
01:00:20,100 –> 01:00:23,600
And one of the people in that
documentary for one thing they

1148
01:00:23,600 –> 01:00:28,400
start hitting on this idea that
At aliens like this is some

1149
01:00:28,400 –> 01:00:31,700
ancient alien shit.
That aliens came down in like

1150
01:00:31,800 –> 01:00:36,400
mated with prehistoric people in
like created humans.

1151
01:00:36,400 –> 01:00:40,900
That also this idea that there
are some of us who are like

1152
01:00:41,000 –> 01:00:45,500
extra special versions of that
and that those people are like

1153
01:00:45,500 –> 01:00:49,000
responsible for all the ills of
the world.

1154
01:00:49,000 –> 01:00:52,600
And they even mentioned that
there should be reparations for

1155
01:00:52,600 –> 01:00:57,700
people who have fallen victim to
this, like, like alien hybrid

1156
01:00:57,700 –> 01:01:01,000
bloodline that runs throughout
the world.

1157
01:01:01,000 –> 01:01:04,900
And when you couple that with
how fucking hard people believe,

1158
01:01:04,900 –> 01:01:09,900
in Ancient Aliens and how
readily were giving our DNA to

1159
01:01:09,900 –> 01:01:14,000
these genealogy websites, that’s
going to be genocide someday

1160
01:01:14,300 –> 01:01:19,000
with all of the UFO videos on
the fucking NBC news last night.

1161
01:01:19,000 –> 01:01:21,700
Lester Holt just like calm is
shit.

1162
01:01:21,700 –> 01:01:25,000
Was like coming up next?
What scientists are saying about

1163
01:01:25,000 –> 01:01:27,600
an alien?
Ship visiting the Earth soon.

1164
01:01:27,900 –> 01:01:30,500
It’s like, jeez.
What you can’t throw that out to

1165
01:01:30,500 –> 01:01:33,800
the 70 and 80 year olds, who are
watching this in the Midwest and

1166
01:01:33,800 –> 01:01:38,600
also me, write all of that shit
is setting the stage for like

1167
01:01:38,600 –> 01:01:42,300
the most Unthinkable shit in
this country, but it’s not

1168
01:01:42,300 –> 01:01:44,600
Unthinkable.
It seems like, we’re just kind

1169
01:01:44,600 –> 01:01:47,100
of deciding what kind of fascism
we want right now.

1170
01:01:47,400 –> 01:01:49,800
And I’ll add a like, just to add
to that.

1171
01:01:49,900 –> 01:01:52,100
A lot of people will push back
on that.

1172
01:01:52,100 –> 01:01:55,100
Be like, that’s not what America
is like, America doesn’t do race

1173
01:01:55,100 –> 01:01:57,900
Wars, it doesn’t Do genocide
because of race was like

1174
01:01:57,900 –> 01:01:59,700
motherfucker.
I ever heard of the Bureau of

1175
01:01:59,700 –> 01:02:03,000
Indian Affairs.
Yeah I and every person in my

1176
01:02:03,000 –> 01:02:08,500
family have to prove within a
1/64 percentile, how much

1177
01:02:08,500 –> 01:02:11,400
indigenous blood we have when
they won’t let us be a member of

1178
01:02:11,400 –> 01:02:15,500
our own fucking tribes, doesn’t
matter where you can rub doesn’t

1179
01:02:15,500 –> 01:02:20,300
matter any like if you are 1/64
off from being to correct and

1180
01:02:20,300 –> 01:02:23,100
this is their word blood
Quantum, you’re not allowed into

1181
01:02:23,100 –> 01:02:27,200
you get no benefits your no
housing, no medical Are which

1182
01:02:27,200 –> 01:02:30,900
occasion, none of that shit.
And that was specifically done

1183
01:02:30,900 –> 01:02:33,900
by the United States government
to keep people off reservation.

1184
01:02:33,900 –> 01:02:35,900
So they didn’t have to pay more
money to take care of people.

1185
01:02:35,900 –> 01:02:40,200
So you don’t think that the
United States does horrible race

1186
01:02:40,200 –> 01:02:44,400
related laws and they’re doing
it right now 2 over 3 million

1187
01:02:44,400 –> 01:02:47,300
people in this country decide
whether or not they get to live

1188
01:02:47,300 –> 01:02:50,000
a life with their families on
what’s essentially so

1189
01:02:50,000 –> 01:02:52,500
concentration camps.
But Indian reservations, some

1190
01:02:52,500 –> 01:02:55,000
have casinos great, boast.
That money gets off goes off the

1191
01:02:55,300 –> 01:02:56,400
reservation.
Shinto.

1192
01:02:56,400 –> 01:02:58,200
Guess what billionaires?
Who could afford to build a

1193
01:02:58,200 –> 01:02:59,500
fucking casinos in the first
place?

1194
01:02:59,700 –> 01:03:02,500
But that shit is real like this
country.

1195
01:03:02,500 –> 01:03:05,900
Cares deeply about race for one
set of people and that’s the

1196
01:03:05,900 –> 01:03:08,000
same bullshit that started in
Germany.

1197
01:03:08,000 –> 01:03:10,700
Where it’s like both one drop of
Jewish blood in your Jew.

1198
01:03:10,800 –> 01:03:12,600
Yeah, it’s same thing in
Reverse.

1199
01:03:12,700 –> 01:03:16,000
Yeah.
And I wrote a sub stack article

1200
01:03:16,000 –> 01:03:19,400
a few months ago because there
was this discussion going around

1201
01:03:19,400 –> 01:03:22,900
online which has popped up a
bunch since Trump but people

1202
01:03:22,900 –> 01:03:25,800
were asking what is America like
sliding into fast.

1203
01:03:26,000 –> 01:03:28,700
ISM.
And it’s like, when have we not

1204
01:03:28,700 –> 01:03:33,100
been fascist, like, I get that
Mussolini invented the term.

1205
01:03:33,100 –> 01:03:37,200
So like, is that the only
distinction like, well, slavery

1206
01:03:37,200 –> 01:03:40,900
and Indigenous genocide all
happened before the term was

1207
01:03:40,900 –> 01:03:45,000
coined, so we’re not fascist, or
is it because there’s no

1208
01:03:45,000 –> 01:03:48,000
charismatic leader.
As fascism.

1209
01:03:48,000 –> 01:03:53,900
‘S definition demands, I would
argue America is the charismatic

1210
01:03:53,900 –> 01:03:55,800
leader.
We are the greatest nation.

1211
01:03:55,900 –> 01:03:58,800
Nation on Earth.
Everyone wants to be here.

1212
01:03:58,800 –> 01:04:03,800
Fucking Eagles and trucks, like
it’s not one person, it’s just

1213
01:04:03,800 –> 01:04:07,100
us.
We are the model of fascism.

1214
01:04:07,300 –> 01:04:10,300
So, the idea that it like,
another genocide couldn’t happen

1215
01:04:10,300 –> 01:04:13,700
here.
Get over yourselves and and just

1216
01:04:13,700 –> 01:04:15,400
look at Chiefs fans at the Super
Bowl.

1217
01:04:15,400 –> 01:04:19,700
You told me there isn’t racism
rind in this country and

1218
01:04:19,700 –> 01:04:23,000
followed blindly.
I mean, look at this way man.

1219
01:04:23,200 –> 01:04:26,000
Indigenous people have lived
under three policies for the It

1220
01:04:26,008 –> 01:04:28,500
States Jefferson to Grant
Jefferson coined.

1221
01:04:28,500 –> 01:04:32,200
The term extermination policy
Ulysses S Grant has ceased

1222
01:04:32,200 –> 01:04:35,600
extermination policy not because
of Any moral compass because it

1223
01:04:35,607 –> 01:04:38,300
was too fucking expensive to
kill all the Indians.

1224
01:04:38,300 –> 01:04:39,800
It’s got see the millions per
month.

1225
01:04:40,100 –> 01:04:43,400
So he changed to the
assimilation policy allowed the

1226
01:04:43,400 –> 01:04:47,100
Liberals in the, in the church,
to take the children, to

1227
01:04:47,200 –> 01:04:50,700
assimilation schools, where
Horrors happened, until 1977 the

1228
01:04:50,700 –> 01:04:53,800
year fucking Star Wars, came
out, and then the 1950s till

1229
01:04:53,800 –> 01:04:55,000
today.
We’re living under the

1230
01:04:55,000 –> 01:04:57,400
termination Policy, which is
getting people off the

1231
01:04:57,408 –> 01:05:01,300
reservation into the regular
society and that’s sort of ended

1232
01:05:01,300 –> 01:05:02,700
now.
But those are the three

1233
01:05:02,700 –> 01:05:04,900
policies.
The United States has had

1234
01:05:04,900 –> 01:05:07,200
towards indigenous people,
extermination of assimilation in

1235
01:05:07,200 –> 01:05:11,100
termination sound good that’s
pretty fasci, it’s crazy man.

1236
01:05:11,100 –> 01:05:13,600
Like it again goes back to my
very first point.

1237
01:05:13,600 –> 01:05:17,700
Like I grew up with a historical
context especially this country

1238
01:05:17,700 –> 01:05:22,300
that is not in any way part of
the narrative.

1239
01:05:22,300 –> 01:05:26,200
I mean even Cornel West says
that the mainstream In

1240
01:05:26,500 –> 01:05:30,100
African-American history or
races indigenous Americans, like

1241
01:05:30,100 –> 01:05:33,500
every part of American culture
forgets.

1242
01:05:33,700 –> 01:05:36,900
That was a huge part of history
that they just rings.

1243
01:05:37,400 –> 01:05:40,000
And then I get called
revisionist for bringing up

1244
01:05:40,000 –> 01:05:42,900
that, oh, you know, Abraham
Lincoln committed saying freak,

1245
01:05:42,900 –> 01:05:45,400
you know, those blue soldiers,
you root for the Civil War.

1246
01:05:45,600 –> 01:05:47,900
Now they are committing a
genocide at the same time on the

1247
01:05:47,900 –> 01:05:50,700
plains like not a hyperbole
genocide.

1248
01:05:50,700 –> 01:05:55,300
Hey, actual institutionalized,
chosen, paid for and executed

1249
01:05:55,300 –> 01:05:56,100
genocide.
Right.

1250
01:05:56,100 –> 01:05:57,700
Right.
Yeah, we’ve done it before.

1251
01:05:57,700 –> 01:06:01,500
We can do it again like no
fucking doubt.

1252
01:06:01,600 –> 01:06:03,400
Yeah, and I’m sure there’s
somebody sitting there

1253
01:06:03,400 –> 01:06:06,700
Bilderberg or the Bohemian Grove
in San Francisco be like well

1254
01:06:06,700 –> 01:06:08,800
you know we’re going to make a
lot of money off the body bags.

1255
01:06:08,900 –> 01:06:10,500
Yeah.
Oh man.

1256
01:06:10,500 –> 01:06:14,000
This country some shit.
Yeah.

1257
01:06:14,100 –> 01:06:15,900
It’s been a fun chat though.
About a good time.

1258
01:06:15,900 –> 01:06:17,600
Yeah this is a really good
episode.

1259
01:06:17,600 –> 01:06:20,900
Thank you so much for doing it.
I think we’ve reached the end.

1260
01:06:20,900 –> 01:06:23,200
You have any final thoughts?
No.

1261
01:06:23,200 –> 01:06:27,500
I think my final pot would be
About the phone more and drink

1262
01:06:27,500 –> 01:06:31,500
some water and just kind of lay
out the social media and be very

1263
01:06:31,600 –> 01:06:35,100
someone who’s been doing a
hallucinogenic Spore, 30 plus

1264
01:06:35,100 –> 01:06:39,700
years, use them wisely and with
someone in the room, who knows

1265
01:06:39,700 –> 01:06:44,000
what the fuck they’re doing?
Yeah yeah please and yeah, just

1266
01:06:44,200 –> 01:06:47,700
stop trust in the government so
much like especially if it’s

1267
01:06:47,700 –> 01:06:49,900
like, oh well Joe Biden’s in
office.

1268
01:06:49,900 –> 01:06:53,700
So our sides winning.
Now there are no sides like

1269
01:06:53,900 –> 01:06:55,700
that’s not how this government
works.

1270
01:06:56,100 –> 01:06:59,600
Like there’s things each side
disagrees on, but the things

1271
01:06:59,600 –> 01:07:03,700
both sides agree on are, what
are actually the bigger problem?

1272
01:07:03,900 –> 01:07:07,900
Everyone’s United, when we go to
war in start, fucking kill and

1273
01:07:07,900 –> 01:07:11,500
poor people in whatever region,
we’ve decided to focus on, it’ll

1274
01:07:11,500 –> 01:07:14,500
be Africa next.
That’s the shit you got to worry

1275
01:07:14,500 –> 01:07:17,300
about.
Like all the bipartisan shit.

1276
01:07:17,300 –> 01:07:20,300
Take to it if you want if it
makes your Twitter experience

1277
01:07:20,300 –> 01:07:21,200
better.
Sure.

1278
01:07:21,400 –> 01:07:25,300
But worry about the shit both
sides agree on yeah, yeah,

1279
01:07:25,400 –> 01:07:27,200
great.
Consent patriotism is about

1280
01:07:27,200 –> 01:07:30,900
seeing seeing the real problems
and making the country better by

1281
01:07:30,900 –> 01:07:33,700
fixing those.
Yeah, it’s not patriotism if

1282
01:07:33,700 –> 01:07:36,800
you’re forgiving all the shit
this country does its National

1283
01:07:36,800 –> 01:07:39,400
easy.
Yeah, being proud of Iraq, not

1284
01:07:39,400 –> 01:07:42,400
patriotic heart but yeah, bad
times bad times.

1285
01:07:43,100 –> 01:07:47,000
So Zach, thank you so much.
Do you have anything to plug

1286
01:07:47,000 –> 01:07:51,600
before we get out of here?
Yeah so you can follow me at

1287
01:07:51,600 –> 01:07:54,300
approximate calm.
I put up a couple articles a day

1288
01:07:54,300 –> 01:07:57,000
about whiskey so you’re probably
We need a good Port of whiskey

1289
01:07:57,000 –> 01:08:00,600
after this jet but agreeing also
fall, follow me on Instagram at

1290
01:08:00,600 –> 01:08:04,500
ztp Whiskey and that is
completely whiskey focused.

1291
01:08:04,700 –> 01:08:08,800
So it’s me either posting about
some whiskies I tasted or some

1292
01:08:08,800 –> 01:08:11,800
events I’ve been at.
But again, always keep focused.

1293
01:08:11,800 –> 01:08:13,800
And so if you need a little more
good whiskey in your life,

1294
01:08:13,900 –> 01:08:17,300
follow me and I’ll leave you the
way and who doesn’t?

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I am writing again at Adam Todd
Brown dotsub stack.com.

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I just had surgery to have a
needle removed from my face and

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Having a needle stuck in my face
for the past three months has

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been a distraction.
But now that that is all mostly

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behind me, I will be back to
writing regularly another season

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of The Voice just started.
So you know, I’ll be recapping

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that shit and I think that’s it.
For now, I’m doing a show I’m

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doing comedy again also
Huntington Beach, March 22nd.

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I don’t know where just come to
Huntington Beach and follow the

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ascent of my jokes and you’ll
find it or just check out Adam,

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Todd Brown Todd with 1D on
Instagram or Twitter, you can

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find the Deets there and I think
that’s it.

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Let’s get the fuck out of here.
Zack say goodbye goodbye goodbye

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everybody.
We love you.

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People.
People.