Conspiracy! The Show 240: The Storming of Brazilian Congress Pt. 2

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Welcome to conspiracy the show.
The world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast with
your host, Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia haydar
Hey, everybody, Welcome to

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conspiracy the show.
I’m Adam, Todd Brown, and I’m

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Olivia haydar, and that I
believe makes us your hosts a

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pretty sure, I think that’s
right.

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Olivia, how’s it going?
You know, it’s going.

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Okay.
I think you know, sure it’s

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actually been sunny today in La
which Actually has been weirdly

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rare.
The last few weeks, I bought a

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bike to start commuting to the
office in like late.

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December early January, right?
I’ve literally been able to ride

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it, like four or five times it’s
been weird.

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Like since I moved back to LA,
basically, I would say 80% of

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the time it’s been raining.
Oh yeah.

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You’ve gotten pretty much all
range, which I usually like rain

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in La.
I think it’s fun.

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Yeah, but not.
Like this and people get annoyed

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when people in l.a. complain
about rain because it’s so sunny

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all the time.
But here’s the thing we’re

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building the goddamn desert,
this city is not built for a

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constant.
Rainfall, no, no, this is a

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natural disaster in California
over the past few months.

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It’s a nightmare driving.
Anywhere is a nightmare and

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speaking of disasters of fun,
Quirk of Having recently had my

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face surgery, deed whenever it
rains now my teeth hurt.

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Oh, that’s fun.
Yeah, it’s great.

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Yeah, what’s happening a little
bit before the surgery and I

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kind of thought I was either
making it up or it was just a

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side effect of having a needle
embedded in my face.

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Yeah.
But no since I’ve had the

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surgery, it’s gotten so much
worse and it’s I looked it up.

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It’s a thing.
It has to do with barometric

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pressure.
It’s great.

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The know.
Yeah.

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Like I fucked up my knee a few
years ago.

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Tore, my PCL and it hurts way
more.

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What I mean always hurts be like
it hurts way more.

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When it rains, it sucks.
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You know what else sucks?
This is gonna be such a smooth

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segue.
The political situation in

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Brazil.
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It’s almost as bad as l.a. being
rainy almost.

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Yeah.
Not quite as disruptive to my

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life which makes it less
important.

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That’s true, of course.
But yeah there’s things going

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on.
This will be our third episode

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about the attacks on the
Brazilian Congress and just the

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whole political landscape in the
Brazil.

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My God, it’s just the United
States down there.

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Yeah, it’s unfortunate.
I feel bad for them because of

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that, I’m sorry, it’s our fault,
I’m sure somehow.

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Yeah, there’s no doubt about
that.

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I’m sure we were instrumental in
making a lot of this happen.

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Yeah, but it’s just Eerie how
perfectly this mirrors what has

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happened in the United States
with Donald Trump, especially,

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right.
And we should talk a little bit

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about the two episodes we’ve
already done.

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Jury in case people didn’t hear
him, want to go back and revisit

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them.
Hit the show notes, I’ll link to

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both of them.
One was a bonus episode about a

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documentary called the edge of
democracy.

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Yeah, which is a documentary.
I like a whole lot yet.

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It’s good.
It is a fascinating snapshot of

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people, yearning for the return
of a military dictatorship.

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That’s the thing that I think
kind of gives the Brazilian news

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some some of its spikes.
Yeah.

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Oh yeah, because that’s the
thing that’s missing from

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American politics.
Is the fact that there’s a

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moderate portion of the
population that grew up under a

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literal military dictatorship,
and liked it and want to return.

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To that, which is such a weird
thing.

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I mean it is and it isn’t, you
know?

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Like I mean I guess I didn’t
live under that military

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dictator.
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And I’ll do I know neither, do
I, and I’m sure because, it’s

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how it happens in every system,
like flawed system, that there

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were people where it was way
better like conditions.

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Yeah.
Because these systems have to

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benefit somebody.
The problem is when you look

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into that part of stuff like
this, yeah, it ends up that

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those systems Systems were
probably benefiting rich people.

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Right, of course.
Exactly.

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And that’s when the United
States tends to get involved

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because where there are rich
people in Central and South

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America, there are us business
interest, teaming up with those

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rich people, to make sure the
poor people in that country,

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don’t eat.
And once they start eating, we

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get mad and we get involved.
I don’t know if that’s what’s

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happening here.
No or not, right, honestly, but

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the edge.
Democracy covers the arrest of

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Luiz inacio.
Lula da Silva.

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Yeah, whoo people mercifully
just call Lula.

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Yeah on the world stage, it
covers his arrest and the

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impeachment of his successor
Dilma Rousseff frame and sort of

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touches on the rise of bowls in
our oh yeah.

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It’s kind of like a Star Wars.
Prequel e.

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Kind of yeah.
Palpatine’s in the background.

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Making little moves.
Yeah, you like shows up.

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Up in an end credits scene.
Yeah, he’s like fan.

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Those don’t them all time to
take care of this myself and we

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did an episode about that which
was a bonus episode, but on the

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bright side, if you’re a
subscriber, just go watch the

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edge of democracy.
Yeah, we get it now, get the

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gist of the episode.
If you don’t have the money to

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subscribe, we understand.
You have to pay Netflix and they

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need the money way worse than
us.

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So after that, we did a free
episode about the storm Of the

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Brazilian Congress, but we
didn’t quite get to that part.

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We just talked about the lead up
to it.

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Yeah, this is a thing like we’re
talking about a country that I

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think most of our listeners
probably aren’t super familiar

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with their normal electoral
politics and so I think it was

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important to get a little bit of
ketchup in order to have some

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context to what as actually
going on, right.

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And that episode did highlight
what I think one of the big

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Frances is between what happened
at the US Capitol on January 6th

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and what ends up happening in.
Brazil on January 8 of 2023.

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So two years later, right?
Which is the run up to the

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attack in Brazil.
At least to me, it seems like it

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was a little more intense.
Sure.

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Whereas in the United States on
January 6th, there were calls

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for a rally.
And there were like hints That

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something was going to happen if
you were tuned into that and I’m

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sorry if you were that right
wing cesspit of a Social Circle,

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then you would have heard about
like bubbling ‘s and that was,

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you know, a few days before
January 6th and there was that

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rally and they were like come
out to the rally.

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It’s going to be nuts in Brazil.
People just went and camped out

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at military bases for like weeks
on end.

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Yeah, waiting for the military.
I would argue expecting the

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Terry to step in and do what
they wanted done, right?

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They wanted the military to
storm Congress.

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Yeah, presidential Palace.
And when it didn’t happen, then

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they just went and did it
themselves and you didn’t really

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see that with January 6th.
It felt a little more

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spontaneous.
No, I mean, yeah, there was

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obviously, police participation
in stuff in that but it was not

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the same tenor.
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This is what comes from a while.
I was talking about earlier

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history of having a military
Dictatorship.

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People are going to have
different impulses for these

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things.
Yeah, different expectation

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military also, right.
Exactly.

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And like, it would have been
interesting to see people like

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camping out in front of, like,
police stations or whatever and

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they’re on to something by
trying to coerce the military

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into joining their side because
a coup doesn’t work.

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Otherwise, right January, 6
would have worked if someone

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called the National Guard and
they were like we’re here to

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fight For Trump.
Sure, that would have really

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changed the tenor of it.
Would have been a very different

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event, this and same thing here,
the military just like with

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Trump in the United States.
In Brazil, the military and the

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police love both scenario.
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And so I get why protesters
were, like, are they gonna do it

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if we push them hard enough?
Well, they just like, go

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overthrow Lula on our behalf and
they did not completely know,

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like not all the way.
No.

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But that’s the thing is, I think
probably what the military or

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you know even if there’s anybody
in the military even thinking

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about wanting a coup or
whatever, I imagine they’re like

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well I’m gonna be able to get
both scenario in a different

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way.
Who’s are really hard.

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Yeah it seems like he’s got a
good shot at winning the next

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election in Brazil if nothing
else.

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Exactly.
So yeah, a little patience might

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be advised they could just end
it that way.

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I think this storming the
Congress in Brazil was a bad

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idea, they shouldn’t have done
it.

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You know, that’s a bold stance
but I think I would side with

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you, it probably wasn’t the best
course of action.

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But neither was storming, the
capital no, on January 6th

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degree and it’s a thing.
I’m going to say so many times

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but there are just so many weird
similarities between those two

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events including the part where
in both cases it.

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Like, they didn’t have a plan
right after they got inside like

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the plan from there was to get
on Instagram and record video

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saying, we just overthrew the
government.

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Yeah, it’s like, you didn’t come
close.

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You are being a public nuisance,
right now.

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You are not overthrowing the
government.

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Yeah.
Just think about people like

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charging in the Nancy Pelosi’s
office, or whatever.

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These are not serious people,
right?

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And like sitting at her desk and
put your feet up, it’s like quit

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showing off right.
Idiots and so That all brings us

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to the events of January, 8
2023, when a mob of angry Bolson

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Ro supporters, stormed Brazil’s
Congress Supreme Court and the

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presidential offices, which
let’s not give them too much

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credit.
Those buildings are all very

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close together, they’re all very
close together and that weird

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nether realm where the Brazilian
Congress we’re like the European

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colonists like erected this.
Yeah.

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And I mean, in the case of the
Your Palace.

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It seems like the police were
just like holding the door open.

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Yeah, with a sign that said,
Lula.

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So getting in that one, probably
wasn’t that hard either.

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Also, why not do it on January
6?

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Show some solidarity.
Yeah, that is interesting.

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I mean, I don’t know who knows
if that’s even on there, right.

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This, anybody outside of the US
like know that date offhand.

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I don’t listen to podcasts.
Usually and this is a reason why

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my wife does listen to podcasts
when I’m in the car with her.

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Like I’m not that asshole who’s
watching?

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I do like a family.
She can listen to whatever she

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wants and this host was
interviewing voters who had

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voted in 2022 in the midterm
elections in.

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These were young voters.
Yeah.

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One of his questions was how did
the events of January 6th inform

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your voting decisions and her
answer was can you refresh my

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memory?
What happened on?

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January 6th good.
It’s like God.

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Good for her.
Damn good.

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I mean, yeah.
Like on the one hand, that’s

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like someone being like green
day.

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I’ve never heard a green shit
that’s interest.

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Yes.
But like but also no, but is

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that unusual?
I mean, I don’t know, like, I’m

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to online to know whether it’s
normal to know that dates off

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the top of my head.
I feel like it’s it’s like a

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baby 911 a little bit in terms
of important dates, the people

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didn’t It died.
I don’t care.

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No, I know people didn’t die but
it was a shocking scene.

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Yes.
It’s not how protest normally go

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in this country and honestly,
the fact that more people didn’t

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die.
Yeah, is one of the most

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shocking things.
Oh, I agree with that.

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But yeah, it feels like a date
that will live in infamy.

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You know, yes to quote that FDR
Davos will live in infamy.

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Is that fee?
Are you okay?

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Yeah, I don’t know, man.
I just don’t know if anybody

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outside of the US really has
that in their brain.

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That I mean, it’s possible that
they don’t it’s hard for me to

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know that I guess.
Yeah, so yeah, that is kind of

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the only difference though,
there’s more buildings involved

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and it happened on a different
day in January, but beyond that

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all the Hallmarks are there.
These idiots burst in these

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buildings angry at covid
measures probably still.

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So, not wearing masks, I mean,
especially this actually there

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might have Have been more masks
in this case.

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Because covid-19 subba Thing by
this point, as opposed to

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January 2021 where those rioters
were, like, not wearing masks

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like pointedly as another form
of protest and it’s nice, you

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really needed to pin it one
protest at the other in that

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moment.
I mean there’s so many funny

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things about that.
Fuck, that’s I think that’s

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arguably the funniest still.
So anti-mask that you don’t wear

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one when Storm the most heavily
surveilled building in all the

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fucking land.
That is not well, it does show

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their implicit Trust of
authority.

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Yeah, I suppose.
Well, so not only is this angry

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right-wingers attacking over an
election that they’ve decided is

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stolen but there were also a
whole lot of claims and

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suggestions that some of the
people responsible for

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protecting those buildings were
either.

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In on the attacks, or at the
very least, did not do anything

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to try to stop them.
Right.

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Like, the Capitol Hill.
Police, we’re any of those cops

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fired or were they just suspend?
I never fucking count on Cops

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fired for doing something
immoral.

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Yeah, whenever I hear like, oh,
this Cops been suspended for two

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weeks for why Nazi Flags in his
Facebook post.

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Like, well, shouldn’t we do a
little more?

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No, that’ll solve it.
He won’t be a Nazi anymore after

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his first week vacation.
Exactly.

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So this is a quote, these people
were motivated by conspiracy

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theories.
They believe the leftists are

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seizing power.
Right there argument was that

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this communist agenda would
install lgbtq rights unisex

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bathrooms and abortion.
It’s not logical.

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It’s just against what they see
as a conservative way of

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thinking and they wrap it all
together and call it communism

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even though that’s not what
communism.

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Ism is and nothing.
Close to Communism is happening

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in Brazil.
That is tidal on Executive.

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Director of fact.
Checking organization.

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I’ll sato’s basically describing
January 6th, also.

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Yeah.
This is one reason, why

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right-wing groups and I’ve
mentioned this before are so

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they have so much more popular
consensus within the group, then

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leftists do because
right-wingers are the same

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everywhere.
Yeah, all hate the same.

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Eggs and that unites them, true
and leftist.

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Unfortunately, don’t have that.
Yeah, and in this case, the

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right Wingers also echoed a
claim that right-wingers in the

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United States made in about the
capital riots.

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Here’s a quote from Carlos
Jordi, Pro Bowl scenario,

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lawmaker via Twitter will.
These infiltrated leftists who

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promoted chaos and vandalism
yesterday be held accountable.

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So what they’re saying is No,
this wasn’t bullshitting Arrow

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supporters.
Trust is just outside agitators.

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Who want to make them look bad?
And is that claim ever not

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bullshit?
Like no matter who’s making it?

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I mean on this scale probably
not but like there are agitators

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who try to, you know, make
protest look bad.

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It’s just usually happening to
left-wing protests like Oh you

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mean like the cop that burned
down the AutoZone, right?

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Exactly.
Exactly.

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The person I was thinking of.
Yeah.

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In addition to others and like
that’s a different thing than

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saying all of those people who
like they started it.

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That’s just probably not what
happened.

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There’s way too many fucking
people there.

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Yeah, same thing with January
6th.

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They couldn’t all be FBI.
Come on.

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Oh just like well I mean some of
my work.

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I like fourth or something like
1/8 FBI, something like that and

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then like another fourth like
Ali’s and I say, Capitol Police

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things like that.
Yeah.

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So another Another
characteristic of these attacks

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that were very similar to here
in the United States.

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It seems like at least to some
extent.

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The government knew this was
coming Lula’s Administration as

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just straight up.
Said yeah we knew this was going

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to happen and we thought we
could contain it.

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Lula has been like he’s still
like, oh man, I was surprised.

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That’s like yeah, I’d be
surprised to government let this

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happen to it, right?
She’s so at least five days

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before it happened.
Bowls, Our supporters were

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calling for attacks via Telegram
and WhatsApp.

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This is in all caps.
If you can believe it, attention

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Patriots from all over Brazil,
on January 8, we will bring

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Brasilia to a halt that actually
does not sound like we will

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storm Congress.
Sure.

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Yeah, it sounds more like a
general strike but they’re right

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wing so it’s not at, right?
But it does.

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I feel like if you were the one
who posted that, You could at

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least hide behind the idea that
well, I was just telling people

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to show up, maybe it sounds
different and Portuguese.

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Yeah, that also, I don’t know if
it was in Portuguese.

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Her.
Oh yeah.

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I mean, that’s probably would
have been, right?

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I don’t know.
I mean, I’m sure there’s a

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decent contingent of English
speakers and share Brazil.

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They fucking, I mean, no,
they’re definitely.

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Yeah, for sure, but I don’t
know, there was even a hashtag.

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Oh yeah, hashtag, Brazilian
spring.

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Nope.
Nope, nope, no, nope.

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Nope.
First of all, it’s Anywhere e.

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So among other issues a little
early.

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The Lula Administration was
aware of the threats, but

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officials had received
assurances from Eben.

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He’s Roca the Pro Bowl scenario,
governor of brasilia’s federal

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district that they could contain
what was about to happen.

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Sure, if you’re the Lula
Administration, in that case, I

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have to imagine, there was at
least some temptation to be

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like, no, actually we got it
will take care of you.

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Like order in the security or at
least be like me like double

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check your work.
Yeah, we just make sure on this

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white board over here.
Just show your work.

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Yeah, show us how you guys.
That’s will have some will have

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some people go through your
facility and make sure things

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are okay.
And here’s the thing, they might

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not have been lying about that.
Sure.

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They probably could have
contained what was about to

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happen, right?
But one like, we’ve already

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touched on a little bit, there
were sympathizers all throughout

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the Police and military presence
you.

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In this case, I know we saw it
at the Capitol Riot to, but it

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seems like it was a little more
prominent.

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Sure.
Here, there are like, pictures

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of cops.
Like buying coconut water and

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just like letting shit happen.
Lula himself.

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Said, the police opened the door
to the presidential Palace?

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Yeah, wasn’t broken.
Wow.

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So, how did they get in?
They certainly he didn’t go

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unlock it for him.
So do we know that maybe prove,

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it wasn’t you, Lula, and beyond
that.

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That it seems like what happened
is the governor of this area was

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like alright I’m gonna provide a
military force of this size and

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then on the day of the riots
that military force was like

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half if even that it was
apparently significantly smaller

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than what he said it would be
and he has provided no

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explanation as to why that was
the case.

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Well I mean look we could make
all the Guesses we want but I

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think I might have some ideas.
This is a quote from Justice

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Minister Flavio Dino.
The fundamental element of our

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plan with the governor of
Brasilia was not fulfilled.

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I could see from the window of
the ministry of justice that the

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contingent of military police
was not what was agreed between

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us in the governor and quote, I
feel like if you’re in the

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ministry of Justice, you should
at least be like fire and some

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shots from your Window.
You should be sending a team of

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superheroes out of the ministry
of Justice.

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Yeah you think Flavio is armed,
he’s in Brazil.

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Yeah, yeah.
Of course.

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He’s armed.
That’s one of the things Bolson

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Ro did while he was in office.
And they gun ownership

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SuperDuper popular among his
supporters, which God, that

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would have to be uncomfortable
to watch unfold.

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Yeah, you’re in the opposing
party.

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I can’t imagine what it would be
like to see people promote gun

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culture.
I know.

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Yeah and I was gonna say but in
this case it’s just on one side.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Same essentially.

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Oh man.
So Roca denied colluding with

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the rioters and fired.
His security minister to prove

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it but people remain
unconvinced.

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Yeah.
A senior adviser to Lula

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speaking to the Washington Post
said, I cannot say what the

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governor did to increase
security, but he was complicit,

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that was part of this attempted.
Cuckoo.

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Also just like the Us coup
attempt at seems like there

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wasn’t.
Like I said, much of a plan in

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place.
Yeah once the rioters got inside

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the building, I mean.
Yeah.

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What’s the plan going to be
without major Armed Force?

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To actually install a new
government.

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And I am surprised there weren’t
more guns because we talked

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about that on the previous
episode.

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There was the guy who was
arrested for trying to plant a

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bomb at I think it was so Paolo.
Mmm, port in Brazil.

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And one of his whole thing’s was
look, I spent my life savings,

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buying guns because both snarl
said by guns, and we’re going to

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need them soon.
And why didn’t they bring those

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guns to this Riot?
Yeah, I don’t know.

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I mean my only guess would be
that.

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They kind of were putting all
their chips on the military,

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providing that part of it.
Yeah, we have a quote here in

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the notes from Ana júlia.
Guns and Nene, Bernardi a

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professor and Sao Paulo.
Many of these people were camped

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out at military headquarters for
weeks and thought that by

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entering these buildings they
would force some kind of

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response.
I think a lot of them really

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thought the military was going
to take over yeah which is not

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an irrational thought.
Now not in this case and so I

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also feel like the response from
the Brazilian government has

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been a little more heavy-handed
than what has happened here.

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And It’s understandable to some
extent but we’ll get into it

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more at the end of the episode,
but in the days after the riot,

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the Lula Administration arrested
like around 1500 people, but one

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of the most shocking moves in
response.

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Wasn’t an arrest, but the firing
of the head of the Brazilian

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military, General Julio César de
Arruda he had had that job since

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late December.
So I think that’s one of the

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things that makes it a little
less shocking.

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Yeah.
Yeah like if this had been a

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longtime head of the Brazilian
military.

440
00:24:58,400 –> 00:25:00,700
Yeah.
And then he got fired I could

441
00:25:00,700 –> 00:25:04,800
see the military in that case
being like all right, maybe we

442
00:25:04,800 –> 00:25:07,600
will overthrow you that, right?
But yeah, this guy had had the

443
00:25:07,600 –> 00:25:12,500
job since December and it seems
like it all stemmed from Lula

444
00:25:12,500 –> 00:25:15,800
ordering him to fire someone
else in the guy was like, no,

445
00:25:16,000 –> 00:25:17,300
I’m not going to do it.
Yeah.

446
00:25:17,400 –> 00:25:20,600
And he was like, all right,
you’re both fired Fair.

447
00:25:20,600 –> 00:25:23,700
Which yeah.
That’s almost like drug dealer.

448
00:25:23,900 –> 00:25:28,700
All’s you can’t let people see
you be that weak in that moment,

449
00:25:28,700 –> 00:25:31,700
like there’s no way he couldn’t.
I mean fire that guy for

450
00:25:31,700 –> 00:25:33,900
ignoring that order.
I mean, if it’s anything like

451
00:25:33,900 –> 00:25:38,400
the US and I don’t know if it is
because I’m still a novice, you

452
00:25:38,400 –> 00:25:42,100
know, to this culture but like
the president’s the commander of

453
00:25:42,100 –> 00:25:46,100
the Armed Force.
So you’ve got to like and you

454
00:25:46,100 –> 00:25:48,800
know, I don’t like the military
but I know you gotta fucking

455
00:25:48,800 –> 00:25:52,300
have discipline in that shit.
Like that’s the whole thing and

456
00:25:52,300 –> 00:25:56,000
Arruda is also alleged to have
stopped police from detaining

457
00:25:56,000 –> 00:25:59,600
suspected, rioters took Refuge
at an encampment outside

458
00:25:59,600 –> 00:26:02,400
brasilia’s, Army Headquarters on
the night of the attack and

459
00:26:02,400 –> 00:26:04,200
like, yeah, that’ll do it too.
Yeah.

460
00:26:04,500 –> 00:26:07,900
Like if gasps you’re in charge.
That also sounds like America

461
00:26:07,900 –> 00:26:09,100
though.
It sure does.

462
00:26:09,300 –> 00:26:12,800
And that move is alleged to have
allowed for The Escape of scores

463
00:26:12,800 –> 00:26:15,100
of rioters.
Oh, you don’t say that’s

464
00:26:15,100 –> 00:26:17,500
awesome.
I’m so glad that this guy had

465
00:26:17,500 –> 00:26:22,200
the job of head of the fucking
military for three weeks, or

466
00:26:22,200 –> 00:26:25,800
whatever the fuck.
Like even that short amount of

467
00:26:25,800 –> 00:26:30,700
time he had, it is terrifying.
He’s a and this is a quote from

468
00:26:30,800 –> 00:26:33,500
Lula himself.
Many people were complicit in

469
00:26:33,500 –> 00:26:35,500
this.
Many people in the military

470
00:26:35,500 –> 00:26:37,900
police were complicit.
There were many people in the

471
00:26:37,900 –> 00:26:40,800
armed forces here, inside, who
were complicit.

472
00:26:40,800 –> 00:26:43,400
Yeah, that’s got to be mildly
terrifying.

473
00:26:43,400 –> 00:26:46,100
Yeah, because then you just
gotta hope you get them all.

474
00:26:46,100 –> 00:26:49,700
I mean it’s not like Lula.
He knows what is standing is

475
00:26:49,700 –> 00:26:52,600
with these people.
He’s not an idiot.

476
00:26:52,600 –> 00:26:55,100
Yeah.
And In addition to the head of

477
00:26:55,100 –> 00:26:59,000
the military at least 80 other
military officials have been

478
00:26:59,000 –> 00:27:02,700
arrested, Brazilian authorities.
Also, issued arrest warrants for

479
00:27:02,700 –> 00:27:05,300
to other government.
Security officials, one of them

480
00:27:05,300 –> 00:27:09,400
being Anderson Torres, the man
who was effectively in charge of

481
00:27:09,400 –> 00:27:13,700
security for the capital him.
He has taken a whole lot of

482
00:27:13,700 –> 00:27:17,200
blame in the wake of the riots.
He was boasting arroz Justice

483
00:27:17,200 –> 00:27:21,000
Minister before becoming the
security, chief of the federal

484
00:27:21,000 –> 00:27:23,600
district, where the attacks
happened, you know this.

485
00:27:23,800 –> 00:27:28,400
Our classic upon taking the job.
He immediately fired a bunch of

486
00:27:28,400 –> 00:27:32,300
key figures in the department
and then left for Florida for

487
00:27:32,300 –> 00:27:36,400
vacation, which is where he was
when this all happened.

488
00:27:36,400 –> 00:27:39,400
And it’s like oh yeah you didn’t
have anything to do with this,

489
00:27:39,400 –> 00:27:40,900
right?
Absolutely.

490
00:27:40,900 –> 00:27:43,600
I like the fucked off the
fucking Florida.

491
00:27:44,700 –> 00:27:46,400
I think boss inaros.
Still there.

492
00:27:46,800 –> 00:27:50,800
It’s just like for the American
politicians tied to its where

493
00:27:50,800 –> 00:27:55,100
American politicians go to hide.
It’s where a lot of Of the like

494
00:27:55,100 –> 00:27:59,400
business types who were in
control of Venezuela before.

495
00:27:59,400 –> 00:28:03,800
Chavez took over a lot of them
ended up in Florida and

496
00:28:03,800 –> 00:28:07,300
especially Miami.
Yeah, that’s why areas like

497
00:28:07,300 –> 00:28:09,100
that.
Are always a little more

498
00:28:09,100 –> 00:28:11,000
conservative than you expect
them to go.

499
00:28:11,000 –> 00:28:13,300
Yeah, I am retirees.
Fucking vote.

500
00:28:13,300 –> 00:28:16,900
Absolutely.
And they vote based on how the

501
00:28:16,900 –> 00:28:19,300
president feels about the leader
of the country.

502
00:28:19,300 –> 00:28:22,800
They fled that happens more than
you fucking think.

503
00:28:22,900 –> 00:28:24,600
And they don’t.
Always get it right.

504
00:28:24,600 –> 00:28:27,700
Like people who support Trump
because of his stance, on China.

505
00:28:27,800 –> 00:28:30,700
It’s backwards, right?
Like Obama and Biden have been

506
00:28:30,700 –> 00:28:32,500
way fucking stronger, when
China.

507
00:28:32,500 –> 00:28:35,100
Yeah, but that’s a whole other
episode.

508
00:28:35,200 –> 00:28:38,400
So, as we mentioned earlier,
it’s also alleged that the

509
00:28:38,400 –> 00:28:40,600
security detail.
He promised the Lula

510
00:28:40,600 –> 00:28:44,600
Administration was far more
robust than what he actually

511
00:28:44,600 –> 00:28:48,400
provided me on that day and
yeah, they haven’t explained

512
00:28:48,400 –> 00:28:51,600
that which that requires an
explanation.

513
00:28:51,600 –> 00:28:56,100
Yes, I think that’s fair.
R and everybody was sick.

514
00:28:56,100 –> 00:29:01,500
Go ahead along those same lines.
If you look into say, the United

515
00:29:01,500 –> 00:29:06,800
States and Malcolm X rest as an
example, dig into that story,

516
00:29:06,800 –> 00:29:11,700
and look at the police presence
on the day, he was killed

517
00:29:11,800 –> 00:29:15,500
because you’re talking about a
Nation of Islam.

518
00:29:15,500 –> 00:29:20,200
Meeting that happened in a major
city with a huge police presence

519
00:29:20,200 –> 00:29:24,000
in.
Normally there’d be a ton of UPS

520
00:29:24,000 –> 00:29:26,900
there and this time there were
two.

521
00:29:26,900 –> 00:29:31,400
Yeah, along with like ten
undercover FBI agents in the

522
00:29:31,400 –> 00:29:34,400
room who were not there to
protect and serve.

523
00:29:34,400 –> 00:29:37,600
No, know if you can believe it,
they didn’t do much to integral

524
00:29:37,600 –> 00:29:39,400
Bureau of Investigation.
Yeah.

525
00:29:39,400 –> 00:29:41,900
They didn’t do much to stop the
killing of that civil rights

526
00:29:41,900 –> 00:29:44,300
leader.
Wow, despite what they had on

527
00:29:44,300 –> 00:29:47,600
the sign there.
Their longtime interest saw,

528
00:29:47,600 –> 00:29:48,500
right?
Yeah.

529
00:29:49,000 –> 00:29:51,500
Oh, shocking Never Gonna forget
that.

530
00:29:52,500 –> 00:29:56,700
So not only has As Torres not
given an explanation for why he

531
00:29:56,700 –> 00:29:59,700
provided the security Force.
He did his ties to bolster

532
00:29:59,700 –> 00:30:02,700
narrow are just a little too
cozy.

533
00:30:02,800 –> 00:30:05,300
Oh, Justice Minister.
Yeah.

534
00:30:06,800 –> 00:30:12,000
He famously appeared alongside
Bolsa narrow for the entirety of

535
00:30:12,000 –> 00:30:13,900
a to our live stream.
Yeah.

536
00:30:14,100 –> 00:30:16,900
Where the two of them?
Demonstrated, how voting

537
00:30:16,900 –> 00:30:21,000
machines could be hacked.
It was all debunked and people

538
00:30:21,000 –> 00:30:23,400
who could actually hack voting
machines.

539
00:30:23,800 –> 00:30:27,800
Plaid and we’re like, now, this
isn’t accurate, but it’s one of

540
00:30:27,800 –> 00:30:30,700
the things that got this whole
ball rolling.

541
00:30:30,700 –> 00:30:33,200
And so an arrest, warrant was
also issued for the

542
00:30:33,200 –> 00:30:36,800
aforementioned governor of
Brasilia even East Roca who had

543
00:30:36,800 –> 00:30:39,600
already been suspended from his
job.

544
00:30:39,600 –> 00:30:43,200
There was also a request to
freeze, both scenarios assets

545
00:30:43,300 –> 00:30:47,500
but it wasn’t immediately clear
if that’s going to work.

546
00:30:47,600 –> 00:30:50,600
That’s a very long process.
Yeah, I have to imagine that

547
00:30:50,600 –> 00:30:53,300
there’s a lot that goes into
something like that.

548
00:30:53,400 –> 00:30:55,300
Yeah.
Yeah, and they aren’t sure why

549
00:30:55,500 –> 00:30:59,100
they’re saying, you know, to
freeze ball scenarios assets

550
00:30:59,100 –> 00:31:03,900
because there isn’t a ton of
evidence that he liked inspired

551
00:31:03,900 –> 00:31:07,000
known as riots.
But I mean it could also just be

552
00:31:07,000 –> 00:31:12,500
punitive you know just like man
fuck you like honestly and you

553
00:31:12,500 –> 00:31:16,100
know what that’s fair I think
Bulls Cesaro deserves a healthy

554
00:31:16,100 –> 00:31:18,700
fuck yeah I mean fuck him for
sure.

555
00:31:18,700 –> 00:31:22,800
I think the part about who’s
financing this is hmm.

556
00:31:23,100 –> 00:31:25,500
Interesting.
But also, completely

557
00:31:25,500 –> 00:31:28,100
predictable.
Sure if this was a movie, you

558
00:31:28,108 –> 00:31:32,700
would want it to be like a
fucking evil spirit in the woods

559
00:31:32,700 –> 00:31:35,300
or something.
And then now it’s just fucking

560
00:31:35,300 –> 00:31:40,600
angry rich people.
Oh no, I can’t believe it.

561
00:31:40,700 –> 00:31:42,900
Yeah, like I said earlier, this
wasn’t a thing that just

562
00:31:42,900 –> 00:31:44,600
happened.
It wasn’t a spur-of-the-moment

563
00:31:44,600 –> 00:31:47,300
thing, right?
Camped out for weeks, they got

564
00:31:47,300 –> 00:31:51,700
on buses to travel there and
these are presumably people with

565
00:31:51,700 –> 00:31:54,700
jobs and bills and Yeah.
Things.

566
00:31:54,700 –> 00:31:58,400
Some of them who, you know,
probably can’t immediately

567
00:31:58,400 –> 00:32:00,500
afford something like that.
Yeah.

568
00:32:00,900 –> 00:32:04,000
And if they can, they can’t
necessarily afford to take the

569
00:32:04,000 –> 00:32:07,200
time off work so it’s pretty
clear that was a lot of money

570
00:32:07,200 –> 00:32:10,800
behind this.
Yeah and the question after who

571
00:32:10,800 –> 00:32:14,000
did this became, who financed it
right.

572
00:32:14,100 –> 00:32:18,500
And so the first action that the
government took in that regard

573
00:32:18,500 –> 00:32:22,100
happened, just a few days after
the riots when authorities asked

574
00:32:22,100 –> 00:32:27,000
a federal court to block. 1.3
million in assets belonging to

575
00:32:27,000 –> 00:32:30,900
52 people and seven.
Companies alleged to have helped

576
00:32:30,900 –> 00:32:35,000
fund the buses that carried the
rioters to their eventual

577
00:32:35,000 –> 00:32:37,800
destination.
I guess that’s fair.

578
00:32:37,900 –> 00:32:40,800
Yeah.
I mean, wouldn’t you have to be

579
00:32:40,800 –> 00:32:44,900
able to prove that they knew
they were sending them there for

580
00:32:44,900 –> 00:32:47,100
the purpose of carrying out a
riot?

581
00:32:47,100 –> 00:32:48,900
Probably.
But there’s no way that’s that

582
00:32:48,900 –> 00:32:52,700
difficult.
Yeah, I suppose, I mean like,

583
00:32:52,700 –> 00:32:56,200
especially if there is Online as
other conservatives.

584
00:32:56,300 –> 00:32:58,300
Well, that’s the thing.
That’s the thing that you are

585
00:32:58,300 –> 00:33:01,800
seeing here to where, a lot of
these prosecutions and things

586
00:33:01,800 –> 00:33:05,100
are based on social media.
Yes, I’m just trying to imagine

587
00:33:05,100 –> 00:33:09,200
the hell that is being on one of
those buses.

588
00:33:09,300 –> 00:33:10,700
Oh, yeah.
It would be the worst.

589
00:33:10,700 –> 00:33:14,700
There are very few environments
that I can think of that.

590
00:33:14,700 –> 00:33:17,000
Would be more hostile.
Oh yeah.

591
00:33:17,200 –> 00:33:21,900
Yeah, that would be bad times.
No fun, no fun at all.

592
00:33:22,100 –> 00:33:23,600
Probably worse for you than it
would be.

593
00:33:23,700 –> 00:33:25,200
Well sure.
Yeah.

594
00:33:25,200 –> 00:33:27,600
I was even thinking about that,
I was just thinking of like, oh

595
00:33:27,600 –> 00:33:30,400
God, you imagine like, they’re
all singing like they’re

596
00:33:30,400 –> 00:33:33,600
terrible, right?
Yeah, song parodies or whatever,

597
00:33:33,800 –> 00:33:35,600
waving the Brazilian flag
around.

598
00:33:36,000 –> 00:33:42,000
Like in that documentary, you
saw there like memes in like in

599
00:33:42,000 –> 00:33:44,100
jokes.
It’s all the same corny.

600
00:33:44,100 –> 00:33:47,400
Shit that we get here.
Remember the Lady Gaga thing.

601
00:33:47,500 –> 00:33:51,900
Yeah, it’s a thought Lady Gaga
was an employee of the criminal

602
00:33:51,900 –> 00:33:54,600
court at the Hague we had that
was Weird.

603
00:33:54,800 –> 00:33:58,400
Oh, that was fun.
So the companies who had their

604
00:33:58,400 –> 00:34:02,300
assets Frozen, or they ask the
court to block their mostly

605
00:34:02,300 –> 00:34:05,700
Transportation firms.
And small businesses based in

606
00:34:05,700 –> 00:34:08,800
the Southern and Southeastern
regions of the country along

607
00:34:08,800 –> 00:34:13,000
with a small agribusiness, Union
and a small Timber Company move

608
00:34:13,000 –> 00:34:17,100
from the south agribusiness.
That is the sector that people

609
00:34:17,100 –> 00:34:21,300
are really focusing on here.
Yeah, as being like the people

610
00:34:21,300 –> 00:34:26,300
who did it, sure.
And if Listening here in the

611
00:34:26,400 –> 00:34:30,600
greatest country on Earth, the
and blessed by God with the

612
00:34:30,600 –> 00:34:33,900
greatest podcast on Earth.
You might hear America.

613
00:34:33,900 –> 00:34:36,900
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was talking about the United

614
00:34:36,900 –> 00:34:38,500
States.
Yeah, I don’t know about that.

615
00:34:38,500 –> 00:34:43,000
Yeah, you might hero.
The agribusiness sector, right?

616
00:34:43,000 –> 00:34:45,199
Like a bunch of farmers.
Come on.

617
00:34:45,900 –> 00:34:50,400
Yeah, but also, sometimes
farmers are fucking rich.

618
00:34:50,400 –> 00:34:53,500
I think about farmers who feed
the fucking world, basically.

619
00:34:53,600 –> 00:34:59,000
60s, one of the examples, I’m
going to link to an article

620
00:34:59,000 –> 00:35:02,400
called how Brazilian
agribusiness became a vector for

621
00:35:02,400 –> 00:35:07,100
put Schism, which that’s not a
good term promise you, even if

622
00:35:07,100 –> 00:35:10,500
you don’t know what it means,
it’s written by Amanda Audi

623
00:35:10,600 –> 00:35:14,300
writing for an outlet called the
Brazilian report all the facts

624
00:35:14,300 –> 00:35:16,300
and stats.
That I’m going to cite here come

625
00:35:16,300 –> 00:35:19,700
from that article and unless you
want to subscribe to the

626
00:35:19,700 –> 00:35:22,300
Brazilian report you’re just
going to have to take my word

627
00:35:22,300 –> 00:35:26,300
for it because you Not read this
article for free but also cost

628
00:35:26,300 –> 00:35:27,800
like a dollar for the first
month.

629
00:35:27,800 –> 00:35:30,500
So give it a read.
It’s actually very interesting

630
00:35:30,500 –> 00:35:34,500
because that was my question.
Like, why does the agribusiness

631
00:35:34,500 –> 00:35:39,300
sector love Bolson are?
Oh well, so much and it comes

632
00:35:39,300 –> 00:35:41,300
down to regulations.
Yeah.

633
00:35:41,400 –> 00:35:43,700
Which same reason businesses?
Love Trump.

634
00:35:43,700 –> 00:35:47,000
Exactly.
Because when Bolsa narrow took

635
00:35:47,000 –> 00:35:52,200
office, he enacted 57 different
legislative measures to

636
00:35:52,200 –> 00:35:55,500
rollback.
Aunt conservation, efforts

637
00:35:55,500 –> 00:35:59,200
Environmental Protections.
And again we’re talking about

638
00:35:59,300 –> 00:36:03,300
Raziel which is it’s got some
important stuff to protect home

639
00:36:03,300 –> 00:36:06,700
to most of the Amazon
rainforest.

640
00:36:06,700 –> 00:36:11,800
It’s one of the most important
and diverse habitats on the

641
00:36:11,800 –> 00:36:13,100
planet.
Yes.

642
00:36:13,100 –> 00:36:17,200
And both scenario was lucky
enough to have been born there

643
00:36:17,200 –> 00:36:21,100
and wants to raise it to the
fucking ground.

644
00:36:21,100 –> 00:36:23,300
Yeah.
He wants to burn that fucking

645
00:36:23,300 –> 00:36:26,000
thing.
It’s sickening to the ground.

646
00:36:26,000 –> 00:36:28,900
He wants to got such a hard-on
for missiles.

647
00:36:29,000 –> 00:36:30,400
Yeah, yeah.
I could see that.

648
00:36:30,500 –> 00:36:37,100
And so deforestation under bowls
narrow increased by nearly 60%

649
00:36:37,100 –> 00:36:40,400
when he was in office and you
know that’s exactly what it

650
00:36:40,400 –> 00:36:42,800
sounds like.
It’s cutting down the Amazon

651
00:36:42,800 –> 00:36:44,800
Rain.
Yes basically so people can

652
00:36:44,800 –> 00:36:48,900
either sell the timber or
develop the land or boat so

653
00:36:48,900 –> 00:36:53,500
fucked up and Lula promise to
put those protections back in.

654
00:36:53,600 –> 00:36:56,300
Place, if he retook office.
Mmm.

655
00:36:56,300 –> 00:36:59,900
And that’s pretty much how it
started from that point on the

656
00:36:59,900 –> 00:37:03,200
agribusiness sector
specifically, the people who

657
00:37:03,200 –> 00:37:07,300
were making money off of
deforestation, got really

658
00:37:07,300 –> 00:37:11,400
invested in both scenario.
And from there it becomes like a

659
00:37:11,400 –> 00:37:14,800
chicken or the egg kind of thing
like where they Nazis going in

660
00:37:14,800 –> 00:37:18,000
right or did they go into the
bowl scenario?

661
00:37:18,000 –> 00:37:22,100
Camp on this one issue and then
come out the other end.

662
00:37:22,200 –> 00:37:26,300
Oh also we hate all gay.
People Jesus just like because

663
00:37:26,300 –> 00:37:29,400
you want to cut down the jungle
we all kind of goes together.

664
00:37:29,400 –> 00:37:32,400
Yeah, that’s the thing.
It just snowballs from there,

665
00:37:32,400 –> 00:37:35,200
you know, it’s predictable and
sad.

666
00:37:35,400 –> 00:37:38,500
Yeah.
And it’s really disheartening

667
00:37:38,500 –> 00:37:41,600
that these people even exist,
for sure.

668
00:37:41,600 –> 00:37:47,900
Literally the villains from the
Avatar movies and their team up

669
00:37:47,900 –> 00:37:52,000
has been pretty successful.
They are heavily invested in

670
00:37:52,000 –> 00:37:54,000
Boston are oh fine.
Nancial.

671
00:37:54,000 –> 00:37:58,100
Yeah, most of his campaign
donations came from the

672
00:37:58,100 –> 00:38:03,100
agribusiness sector, including
the largest individual donor.

673
00:38:03,100 –> 00:38:06,600
Being a man who again, if you’re
at home thinking, oh, bunch of

674
00:38:06,600 –> 00:38:09,300
fucking Farmers.
His largest donor was a man who

675
00:38:09,300 –> 00:38:13,400
owns Farmland that if combined,
would be equivalent to the area

676
00:38:13,400 –> 00:38:18,400
of Austin, Texas.
So that guy is raking in some

677
00:38:18,400 –> 00:38:22,600
fucking coin.
Yeah, and I’m sure all of his

678
00:38:22,600 –> 00:38:25,800
laborers are Well paid.
Oh yeah.

679
00:38:25,900 –> 00:38:29,900
All well paid laborers and I’m
sure none of that Farmland is

680
00:38:29,900 –> 00:38:33,500
like former Amazon forest like
us.

681
00:38:33,900 –> 00:38:39,300
They were also the agribusiness
sector was instrumental in that

682
00:38:39,300 –> 00:38:43,700
effort to spread the idea of
going to Brasilia on January 8

683
00:38:43,900 –> 00:38:47,600
online, the Brazil, green and
yellow movement which if you

684
00:38:47,600 –> 00:38:50,700
just wrote that on a piece of
paper and slid it across the

685
00:38:50,700 –> 00:38:53,300
table to me, I’d be like oh what
kind of good are they getting

686
00:38:53,300 –> 00:38:56,300
up?
Up to they sound like a good

687
00:38:56,300 –> 00:38:58,900
outfit.
Not realizing like green and

688
00:38:58,900 –> 00:39:00,900
yellow are the colors of the
flag, right?

689
00:39:01,200 –> 00:39:03,000
Getting a little nationalist.
Right.

690
00:39:03,000 –> 00:39:05,800
Exactly.
They are a coalition of more

691
00:39:05,800 –> 00:39:09,600
than 300 rural producers
associations they called on

692
00:39:09,600 –> 00:39:14,700
protesters to quote take power
in a social media post who later

693
00:39:14,700 –> 00:39:18,300
deleted so it’s gone.
So there’s no proof, no proof

694
00:39:18,300 –> 00:39:20,700
whatsoever.
Yeah no, that’s gone forever.

695
00:39:20,700 –> 00:39:24,800
Yeah, no one’s ever seen it
since And also there’s a bunch

696
00:39:24,800 –> 00:39:28,300
of telegram and WhatsApp groups
that are dedicated to like

697
00:39:28,300 –> 00:39:29,600
agriculture.
Yeah.

698
00:39:29,700 –> 00:39:33,300
Agriculture jobs.
Sounds fun.

699
00:39:33,400 –> 00:39:35,400
Yeah, exactly.
The kind of thing you get on

700
00:39:35,400 –> 00:39:39,400
social media for find out about
hog, Futures, and shit.

701
00:39:39,700 –> 00:39:43,100
And those groups were really
active.

702
00:39:43,100 –> 00:39:47,100
Also, in pushing the idea that
people should go, at least just

703
00:39:47,100 –> 00:39:51,000
go, just go and see what happens
on January, 8, not saying what

704
00:39:51,000 –> 00:39:54,100
you should do?
One recent Port showed that

705
00:39:54,100 –> 00:39:58,700
farmers from the south of pará
State, one of the Amazon regions

706
00:39:58,700 –> 00:40:02,100
where deforestation is
increasing the fastest.

707
00:40:02,100 –> 00:40:05,400
We’re spending their own money
and setting up crowdfunding

708
00:40:05,400 –> 00:40:09,500
campaigns to pay for the buses
that sent rioters to Brasilia

709
00:40:09,500 –> 00:40:12,000
pool.
And it’s like all because you

710
00:40:12,000 –> 00:40:16,700
want to fucking burn down the
rainforest and turn them into

711
00:40:16,700 –> 00:40:19,500
parking lots or whatever, the
hell is going to happen.

712
00:40:19,500 –> 00:40:23,200
Then apparently gold miners our
way into both.

713
00:40:23,300 –> 00:40:28,300
Olson are 0 and so probably for
the same reason and again, what

714
00:40:28,300 –> 00:40:33,100
a great industry that’s never
produced any of the most toxic

715
00:40:33,100 –> 00:40:37,100
work places on the planet mining
in general.

716
00:40:37,100 –> 00:40:42,800
I think is usually pretty cool.
Ah it really bums me the fuck

717
00:40:42,800 –> 00:40:46,600
out that these people exist.
It’s one of those things where

718
00:40:46,600 –> 00:40:50,800
this can really easily send me
into a real existential despair.

719
00:40:50,900 –> 00:40:56,700
Yeah because of how much These
people fucking hate the planets.

720
00:40:56,800 –> 00:41:00,500
Yes.
And like I’m no fucking nature

721
00:41:00,500 –> 00:41:02,200
person or whatever.
You know.

722
00:41:02,200 –> 00:41:06,500
Like I don’t go hiking or
whatever but like I like green

723
00:41:06,500 –> 00:41:09,500
things and it’s nice that we
have it.

724
00:41:09,600 –> 00:41:13,500
Yeah, it’s nice that it produces
like 60 percent of the world’s

725
00:41:13,500 –> 00:41:16,300
oxygen or whatever.
The fuck the number is and I

726
00:41:16,300 –> 00:41:21,200
feel like in every case it’s
just a thing where the view has

727
00:41:21,200 –> 00:41:25,600
to be, well, I’ll be dead.
Before all the bad stuff starts

728
00:41:25,600 –> 00:41:29,400
either that or one thing I feel
like they should just leave this

729
00:41:29,400 –> 00:41:32,300
out when they’re talking about
the dangers of global warming.

730
00:41:32,400 –> 00:41:34,000
But how many times have you
heard?

731
00:41:34,100 –> 00:41:36,700
Oh, poor people in really
impoverished countries are going

732
00:41:36,700 –> 00:41:38,100
to get it.
The worst.

733
00:41:38,200 –> 00:41:39,700
Yeah.
And it’s like, don’t tell these

734
00:41:39,700 –> 00:41:42,800
rich fucks that this is the
thing, like, you know, yeah,

735
00:41:42,800 –> 00:41:45,000
exactly.
They know they’re happy about it

736
00:41:45,000 –> 00:41:46,700
but like right.
You know, there are actually

737
00:41:46,700 –> 00:41:50,300
people who might care about that
and think it’s bad.

738
00:41:50,400 –> 00:41:53,100
Yeah, it’s really depressing
overall.

739
00:41:53,300 –> 00:41:57,400
Another weird similarity here.
I mean not weird, but if you can

740
00:41:57,400 –> 00:42:00,700
believe it, these people do
represent kind of a minority or

741
00:42:00,700 –> 00:42:05,900
like a fringe group in Brazil,
even among the agriculture

742
00:42:05,900 –> 00:42:07,500
centered.
Well, because it’s not

743
00:42:07,500 –> 00:42:10,700
sustainable.
And any smart business owner,

744
00:42:10,700 –> 00:42:15,800
would realize that regulations
are trying to also make the

745
00:42:15,900 –> 00:42:18,400
industry more sustainable,
right?

746
00:42:18,400 –> 00:42:24,000
This is a quote from environment
Minister Marina Silva at the

747
00:42:24,008 –> 00:42:27,000
world economic Forum, the vast
majority of agribusiness

748
00:42:27,000 –> 00:42:30,400
supports stricter environmental
policies, mr.

749
00:42:30,400 –> 00:42:34,100
Bolson arroz more relaxed policy
was aimed more at an audience

750
00:42:34,100 –> 00:42:38,500
that operates illegally.
The bulk of agribusiness is

751
00:42:38,500 –> 00:42:42,000
concerned with improving the
country’s image abroad in order

752
00:42:42,000 –> 00:42:46,800
to export’ more in the future.
And today, the deforestation of

753
00:42:46,800 –> 00:42:50,600
the Amazon, which gyre bowl
scenario facilitated is the

754
00:42:50,600 –> 00:42:54,300
greatest damage to the country’s
reputation, Yeah, I would agree

755
00:42:54,300 –> 00:42:55,400
with that.
That’s true.

756
00:42:55,400 –> 00:42:58,400
It’s absolutely true.
Like the world needs that.

757
00:42:58,400 –> 00:43:00,800
Yes.
So don’t fucking burn it down.

758
00:43:00,800 –> 00:43:03,400
We like it.
And we’re sorry that we started

759
00:43:03,400 –> 00:43:06,700
burning it down.
We didn’t mean to well, we did.

760
00:43:06,700 –> 00:43:09,400
But we take it back, right?
Yeah, and stop.

761
00:43:09,400 –> 00:43:13,800
Now, please.
So there is an obvious debate

762
00:43:13,800 –> 00:43:14,400
here.
Sure.

763
00:43:14,800 –> 00:43:18,000
And I’ll link to an article
about it.

764
00:43:18,200 –> 00:43:22,100
It all centers around guy,
named, Alexander, de Morris, who

765
00:43:22,100 –> 00:43:24,800
I think, might have come up On
some of the previous episodes

766
00:43:24,800 –> 00:43:28,100
but he is a Brazilian Supreme
Court Justice and he’s the guy

767
00:43:28,100 –> 00:43:31,600
who’s been kind of tasked with
dealing with this.

768
00:43:31,600 –> 00:43:34,700
He’s a forgot the star of
Munich.

769
00:43:34,700 –> 00:43:35,900
I forgot what was his first
name?

770
00:43:35,900 –> 00:43:39,000
Eric Bana?
Yeah, he’s the Eric Bana of

771
00:43:39,000 –> 00:43:40,200
this.
Sure.

772
00:43:40,300 –> 00:43:44,800
He’s been tasked with dealing
with the perpetrators of this

773
00:43:45,100 –> 00:43:48,100
and he’s not always being cool
about it, right?

774
00:43:48,200 –> 00:43:52,900
Which is the debate that has
come up and it’s kind of been a

775
00:43:52,900 –> 00:43:57,900
debate Here, but not as much.
No, well, again, like Americans

776
00:43:57,900 –> 00:44:01,100
are coming from a very
different, I think mindset.

777
00:44:01,100 –> 00:44:04,100
Even though we’re reaching a lot
of the same points.

778
00:44:04,400 –> 00:44:07,000
Yeah, there’s not the same
history but yeah, it’s an

779
00:44:07,000 –> 00:44:09,500
interesting problem.
Yeah.

780
00:44:09,500 –> 00:44:13,100
So this guy Alexander de Morris
looks like a movie though.

781
00:44:13,100 –> 00:44:15,300
Yeah.
But in this case he’s the good

782
00:44:15,300 –> 00:44:16,900
guy.
Maybe.

783
00:44:16,900 –> 00:44:18,500
Yeah.
Like an antihero.

784
00:44:18,600 –> 00:44:20,400
Yeah.
Like there’s one half of the

785
00:44:20,400 –> 00:44:23,600
country and this is exactly what
you would see in the And states,

786
00:44:23,600 –> 00:44:25,100
right?
Like there’s absolutely no

787
00:44:25,100 –> 00:44:27,000
difference.
One half of the country that

788
00:44:27,000 –> 00:44:31,900
definitely Praises him as a hero
for all, he has done to put down

789
00:44:31,900 –> 00:44:36,900
the right wing threat, but
things, he’s done include stuff,

790
00:44:36,900 –> 00:44:40,900
like jailing people without
trial for posting threats on

791
00:44:40,900 –> 00:44:43,000
social media.
He helped sentence a sitting

792
00:44:43,000 –> 00:44:46,000
Congressman to nine years in
prison, for threatening the

793
00:44:46,000 –> 00:44:50,100
Supreme Court.
He has kind of, we talked about

794
00:44:50,100 –> 00:44:54,400
this on the last episode.
He’s kind of Himself the power

795
00:44:54,400 –> 00:44:59,900
to just delete sensor block, any
social media accounts, any

796
00:45:00,200 –> 00:45:03,300
social media posts that he sees
fit.

797
00:45:03,300 –> 00:45:06,600
And that’s with like no real
room for a peel.

798
00:45:06,700 –> 00:45:12,300
Yeah, no real transparency and
why it happened and that’s does

799
00:45:12,500 –> 00:45:16,100
set up an obvious argument which
is like well, okay, you’re doing

800
00:45:16,100 –> 00:45:19,200
that in response to the
right-wingers, right?

801
00:45:19,200 –> 00:45:22,300
So you’re going to like turn
that switch off when you put

802
00:45:22,300 –> 00:45:24,300
this threat down.
Down or when you’re done

803
00:45:24,300 –> 00:45:27,300
investigating Rings you’re not
going to like turn that on

804
00:45:27,300 –> 00:45:30,300
leftist later and it’s like of
course they will.

805
00:45:30,300 –> 00:45:33,700
I mean they might or they might
not I mean it’s a question but

806
00:45:33,700 –> 00:45:37,200
like it is a thing.
I think it’s very difficult to

807
00:45:37,200 –> 00:45:43,000
wrestle with because pretty much
the only proven way to stop

808
00:45:43,000 –> 00:45:48,600
fascism is to completely
eradicate it on the cellular

809
00:45:48,600 –> 00:45:53,000
level basically.
Yeah, you silence and shut.

810
00:45:53,200 –> 00:45:56,800
Now, known as far as you can,
this sort of thing in stop

811
00:45:56,800 –> 00:46:00,300
people from organizing and like
some of the better Godzilla

812
00:46:00,300 –> 00:46:05,500
movies, they sit around like the
idea of in order to defeat a

813
00:46:05,500 –> 00:46:10,400
monster you have to become like
you might end up throwing away

814
00:46:10,400 –> 00:46:15,000
your humanity.
And I do think that that is the

815
00:46:15,100 –> 00:46:19,100
quandary that you run into when
you’re trying to squash a

816
00:46:19,100 –> 00:46:22,800
right-wing movement, is there’s
really only one way to do it.

817
00:46:23,200 –> 00:46:27,800
Yeah it’s also a huge quandary
in that we’re talking about a

818
00:46:27,800 –> 00:46:32,200
government that has been leaning
a little more and more right

819
00:46:32,200 –> 00:46:33,100
wing.
Hmm.

820
00:46:33,200 –> 00:46:36,500
I mean, that they had both
narrow in office for a few

821
00:46:36,500 –> 00:46:38,300
years.
So that’s about as right-wing as

822
00:46:38,300 –> 00:46:39,500
it gets.
Yeah.

823
00:46:39,600 –> 00:46:43,400
And politics in Brazil, seem to
move so fast, like there’s no

824
00:46:43,400 –> 00:46:45,600
guarantee Lula’s.
Even going to see the end for

825
00:46:45,600 –> 00:46:50,000
sure his term, any number of
things could happen and

826
00:46:50,100 –> 00:46:52,700
especially in a place like
Brazil, I’d say to a less

827
00:46:52,700 –> 00:46:54,500
extent.
United States, but especially in

828
00:46:54,500 –> 00:46:57,500
a place, like Brazil, you put
something like this in place

829
00:46:57,600 –> 00:47:01,000
that government could flip over
night and now they have it in

830
00:47:01,000 –> 00:47:01,800
place.
Yeah.

831
00:47:01,800 –> 00:47:04,400
And now they’re the ones who are
like, no absolutes.

832
00:47:04,400 –> 00:47:09,500
You fucking communist, who are
trying to put your fucking drag

833
00:47:09,500 –> 00:47:11,400
shows in our school.
Yeah.

834
00:47:11,800 –> 00:47:14,400
Who are the real problem?
And now we’re going to fucking

835
00:47:14,400 –> 00:47:17,100
crack down on your post and it’s
like, what are you fucking

836
00:47:17,100 –> 00:47:18,500
doing?
I don’t know what I mean.

837
00:47:18,500 –> 00:47:20,800
This is you do.
That’s the question.

838
00:47:20,800 –> 00:47:23,700
I truly don’t have an answer to
this because Cuz I don’t know

839
00:47:23,700 –> 00:47:27,800
that there is a right answer in
this situation, because the

840
00:47:27,800 –> 00:47:30,800
other thing is, yeah, you can
ask, well are you going to like

841
00:47:31,000 –> 00:47:34,500
turn that ability off once you
don’t need it anymore and it’s

842
00:47:34,500 –> 00:47:35,300
like these.
Right?

843
00:47:35,300 –> 00:47:38,100
Wingers aren’t going anywhere
for a long, long time.

844
00:47:38,100 –> 00:47:40,400
No.
And like with the way that these

845
00:47:40,400 –> 00:47:44,500
movements work now again like
the last at the last time but

846
00:47:44,500 –> 00:47:49,400
you know I’m thinking about
Italy in WWII and Germany to

847
00:47:49,400 –> 00:47:52,300
along the same lines like these
were places where these

848
00:47:52,300 –> 00:47:55,800
ideologies have To be forcefully
destroyed.

849
00:47:55,800 –> 00:47:59,300
And there are a lot of
repressive tactics used and I

850
00:47:59,300 –> 00:48:02,700
don’t know that the way that the
information spreads now if that

851
00:48:02,700 –> 00:48:06,300
would actually work even yeah,
like I don’t know if you could

852
00:48:06,300 –> 00:48:10,100
be as repressive as you possibly
can be and stomp it out as much

853
00:48:10,100 –> 00:48:12,700
as you’re physically able.
I don’t know that that’s ever

854
00:48:12,700 –> 00:48:17,800
going to be enough because even
40s fascism is alive and well,

855
00:48:17,800 –> 00:48:21,200
yeah, it never really went away,
so I have no idea.

856
00:48:21,300 –> 00:48:24,600
Like it’s impossible question.
But when you put stuff like this

857
00:48:24,600 –> 00:48:28,900
in place, and don’t specifically
say it’s for right-wingers, or

858
00:48:28,900 –> 00:48:32,400
it’s for fascism or Nazis, let’s
say something like this.

859
00:48:32,400 –> 00:48:35,400
I mean, this has happened in the
United States to an extent, but

860
00:48:35,400 –> 00:48:38,600
it’s more like individual
platforms, Banning people, and

861
00:48:38,600 –> 00:48:41,600
then they just move on to.
Well, I mean it’s happened on

862
00:48:41,600 –> 00:48:45,200
the government level as well.
It’s just been a very big deal

863
00:48:45,200 –> 00:48:48,200
every time.
Like I’m thinking of like who

864
00:48:48,200 –> 00:48:50,800
act and like those sorts of
efforts.

865
00:48:50,900 –> 00:48:54,400
So it’s definitely happened.
Just not quite the same extent

866
00:48:54,400 –> 00:48:59,200
and that would lead to my other
concern with a situation like

867
00:48:59,200 –> 00:49:01,900
this.
Because yeah, let’s say the

868
00:49:01,900 –> 00:49:05,900
American government started
going to this extent against

869
00:49:05,900 –> 00:49:09,100
right-wingers in the United
States but I mean, it’s never

870
00:49:09,100 –> 00:49:11,600
going to happen.
But let’s just say if it did,

871
00:49:11,600 –> 00:49:15,900
there would be a lot of people
Democrats liberals who would

872
00:49:15,900 –> 00:49:18,500
support that.
Yeah, obviously, absolutely.

873
00:49:18,600 –> 00:49:23,100
And my concern and what I would
say to people who would like to

874
00:49:23,100 –> 00:49:26,100
Like to vocally support that
don’t discount.

875
00:49:26,100 –> 00:49:28,800
That the American government
could have more than one enemy.

876
00:49:28,800 –> 00:49:31,900
Yeah.
At a time and they could be

877
00:49:31,900 –> 00:49:35,300
doing that to right Wingers.
But then let another really

878
00:49:35,300 –> 00:49:38,000
high-profile police shooting
happen.

879
00:49:38,000 –> 00:49:41,500
This is and then that turns into
protest for sure, and then the

880
00:49:41,500 –> 00:49:44,900
government starts doing it, to
them to lie, it’s going to be

881
00:49:44,900 –> 00:49:48,600
really hard to put your hands up
and be like, no, no.

882
00:49:48,600 –> 00:49:51,500
I mean, again, this is why it’s
such a hard thing because what

883
00:49:51,500 –> 00:49:56,700
you really need to Stop.
The problem of right-wing

884
00:49:56,700 –> 00:50:02,800
fascism is an extremely strong
and capable left-wing government

885
00:50:02,800 –> 00:50:05,200
doing everything.
It can to alleviate the

886
00:50:05,200 –> 00:50:09,500
conditions that push people into
extremist views.

887
00:50:09,700 –> 00:50:13,300
Yeah.
And unfortunately that that has

888
00:50:13,300 –> 00:50:17,000
never happened except like FDR
is like the closest we’ve ever

889
00:50:17,000 –> 00:50:18,500
gotten and he was like a rich
guy?

890
00:50:18,700 –> 00:50:22,900
Well I think so we have never
had that sort of thing.

891
00:50:23,100 –> 00:50:28,200
Where the left wing has enough
power to materially change.

892
00:50:28,200 –> 00:50:34,000
The conditions that people face,
that lead them to these groups

893
00:50:34,000 –> 00:50:37,600
that will prey on them, right?
And that’s the only way that I

894
00:50:37,600 –> 00:50:40,000
could think of that would come
close to stopping.

895
00:50:40,000 –> 00:50:43,600
And even that would only blunt
it as a populist to it, will ya.

896
00:50:43,600 –> 00:50:47,200
You want to switch populism?
Back to the left is the thing.

897
00:50:47,300 –> 00:50:49,300
You need to capture people in
that way.

898
00:50:49,400 –> 00:50:52,900
But, you know, just like after
9/11 like it makes sense that

899
00:50:52,900 –> 00:50:56,400
people Or they’re scared and
they want to be punitive but

900
00:50:56,400 –> 00:50:59,400
unfortunately that instinct,
like, with the Patriot Act can

901
00:50:59,400 –> 00:51:01,000
really bite you.
Yeah.

902
00:51:01,100 –> 00:51:03,000
It’s a complex situation.
Yeah.

903
00:51:03,000 –> 00:51:05,800
And like it’s not like having
the talk doesn’t mean you’re

904
00:51:05,800 –> 00:51:08,400
siding with the Nazis.
Don’t let anyone tell you.

905
00:51:08,400 –> 00:51:10,800
That’s the case.
It’s just you got to fucking

906
00:51:11,100 –> 00:51:13,700
those are questions that are
worth asking, absolutely?

907
00:51:13,700 –> 00:51:17,700
Because in initiative like this
could go sideways really quick,

908
00:51:17,800 –> 00:51:20,400
it’s the same thing with covid,
surveillance.

909
00:51:20,400 –> 00:51:25,400
Sure where the government was.
Like hey, you want us to watch

910
00:51:25,400 –> 00:51:28,000
your phone and then watch all
the phones around you and will

911
00:51:28,000 –> 00:51:29,800
tell you someone, you know, got
covid.

912
00:51:29,800 –> 00:51:31,200
Know.
It’s like, okay.

913
00:51:31,200 –> 00:51:33,300
Are you going to like stop doing
that later?

914
00:51:33,300 –> 00:51:37,200
They’re like no.
Probably use it for police shit

915
00:51:37,200 –> 00:51:39,800
after that.
But still, you know, covid is a

916
00:51:39,800 –> 00:51:42,700
thing and you need protected and
yeah, and that’s always a thing.

917
00:51:42,707 –> 00:51:44,900
We see is in response to a
threat.

918
00:51:44,900 –> 00:51:47,100
People will give a little bit
more.

919
00:51:47,500 –> 00:51:49,400
Yeah.
Of their freedoms away.

920
00:51:49,400 –> 00:51:54,100
And sometimes that’s the safe
bet and sometimes It’s not but

921
00:51:54,100 –> 00:51:55,400
it’s a gamble.
Yeah.

922
00:51:55,400 –> 00:51:57,100
And it depends on what you’re
talking like.

923
00:51:57,100 –> 00:51:59,600
Yeah, fucking if you’re talking
about wearing a helmet when you

924
00:51:59,600 –> 00:52:01,500
ride on it fucking motorcycle.
Fuck you.

925
00:52:01,500 –> 00:52:04,900
If you’re mad about that same
with like lockdown and all that

926
00:52:04,900 –> 00:52:07,100
stuff.
Yeah, this is different than,

927
00:52:07,100 –> 00:52:09,200
yeah.
It’s really messy.

928
00:52:09,300 –> 00:52:12,000
It’s a really complicated like I
really don’t know if there’s a

929
00:52:12,100 –> 00:52:14,900
correct answer other than
helping people, which is always

930
00:52:14,900 –> 00:52:17,500
the right answer, depending on
what side you will help,

931
00:52:17,500 –> 00:52:20,300
obviously help anybody,
everybody needs help.

932
00:52:20,400 –> 00:52:23,100
You know I mean there there’s
there is one side that would Say

933
00:52:23,100 –> 00:52:25,300
that’s not the answer.
Well, sure, I mean, yeah.

934
00:52:25,300 –> 00:52:28,900
That’s absolutely, no, no.
You don’t not help people

935
00:52:28,900 –> 00:52:31,900
because of the side they’re on.
And I think the best example of

936
00:52:31,900 –> 00:52:34,900
that is unless they’re like
doing actual harmed.

937
00:52:34,900 –> 00:52:36,600
Like obviously, there are
exceptions.

938
00:52:36,600 –> 00:52:39,700
But well like we did an episode
about the East Palestine Ohio

939
00:52:39,700 –> 00:52:42,000
train, derailment.
Oh yeah, like that’s a bunch of

940
00:52:42,000 –> 00:52:44,800
fucking Trump supporters.
But God, damn, they’re getting

941
00:52:44,800 –> 00:52:48,400
fucked by the governor.
I mean, and it has way broader

942
00:52:48,400 –> 00:52:52,200
implications than just.
Those simple does and what makes

943
00:52:52,200 –> 00:52:54,700
me so mad.
Add is the right?

944
00:52:54,700 –> 00:52:57,400
Wingers aren’t wrong.
Those people are getting fucked

945
00:52:57,400 –> 00:53:01,200
over by the government but not
even remotely in the way they’re

946
00:53:01,200 –> 00:53:04,600
saying.
I mean, and it’s so much worse,

947
00:53:04,600 –> 00:53:05,800
this.
What they’re saying?

948
00:53:05,800 –> 00:53:09,600
Absolutely, I mean, this is what
I’m saying about flipping like

949
00:53:09,600 –> 00:53:12,100
populist rep.
I know we’re on a tangent but

950
00:53:12,100 –> 00:53:16,400
Republicans are absolutely part
of what’s happening to the

951
00:53:16,400 –> 00:53:20,300
people in our East first.
The hell you’re the fucking

952
00:53:20,300 –> 00:53:22,900
diversion that’s going to keep
people from ass.

953
00:53:23,000 –> 00:53:25,900
Asking the real question which
listen to the pretty scary

954
00:53:25,900 –> 00:53:28,900
episode about it involves
dioxins, it’s very bad.

955
00:53:28,900 –> 00:53:33,800
Now should be a conspiracy
episode maybe I mean it probably

956
00:53:33,800 –> 00:53:36,200
still could be.
Yeah my husband because the

957
00:53:36,200 –> 00:53:39,000
thing that thing is gonna
there’s gonna be developments on

958
00:53:39,000 –> 00:53:41,100
that.
Well one thing that’s not

959
00:53:41,100 –> 00:53:45,500
getting reported on a ton in the
US media about it is one of the

960
00:53:45,508 –> 00:53:49,400
concerns was that the fire, the
controlled burn was going to

961
00:53:49,400 –> 00:53:52,700
disperse dioxins which cause
cancer and all kinds of other

962
00:53:53,100 –> 00:53:56,200
Heinous diseases it was going to
spread dioxin.

963
00:53:56,300 –> 00:54:00,700
And there’s this weird thing
that happened in 2010 where the

964
00:54:00,700 –> 00:54:05,700
EPA wanted to lower the
Threshold at which dioxins in

965
00:54:05,700 –> 00:54:11,000
soil are considered a thing that
they act on hmm and Obama shot

966
00:54:11,000 –> 00:54:16,200
them down and so the threshold
stayed where it was thanks Obama

967
00:54:16,200 –> 00:54:19,400
and the disparity between that
threshold is terrifying.

968
00:54:19,400 –> 00:54:23,700
Yeah, because it’s 1,000 parts
per trillion, the EPA wanted it

969
00:54:23,700 –> 00:54:28,000
lowered to seventy two parts per
trillion and the soil samples

970
00:54:28,000 –> 00:54:31,800
that the guardian looked at
seven hundred parts per

971
00:54:31,800 –> 00:54:34,100
trillion.
So according to the official

972
00:54:34,100 –> 00:54:37,000
government threshold, that soil
is safe.

973
00:54:37,000 –> 00:54:40,600
But according to what the EPA
wanted, yeah, that threshold to

974
00:54:40,600 –> 00:54:44,700
be in 2010, it’s 10 times, 8 is
10 times worse, and there’s

975
00:54:44,700 –> 00:54:48,700
states where it’s a state-level
thing, California.

976
00:54:48,700 –> 00:54:52,500
It’s 50 parts per trillion
Michigan it’s 90.

977
00:54:52,700 –> 00:54:54,900
So What happened in either of
those States?

978
00:54:55,000 –> 00:54:58,200
Someone would be acting and
people would probably have to

979
00:54:58,200 –> 00:55:00,300
move.
But instead those people are

980
00:55:00,300 –> 00:55:04,400
just going to fucking live there
with cancer causing chemicals in

981
00:55:04,400 –> 00:55:08,600
their soil and who knows what is
getting put into the Ohio River?

982
00:55:08,600 –> 00:55:12,500
Like, oh yeah, I’m fucking nose.
It’ll take a while for us to

983
00:55:12,500 –> 00:55:15,400
fully understand.
So this is still a developing

984
00:55:15,400 –> 00:55:18,800
story even though we’ve already
invested two episodes worth of

985
00:55:18,808 –> 00:55:21,900
time into it.
This is still ongoing sure.

986
00:55:22,200 –> 00:55:26,900
One of the most And updates is
that Jai are Bolson Ro has vowed

987
00:55:26,900 –> 00:55:29,700
to return to Brazil.
Sometime this month.

988
00:55:29,800 –> 00:55:33,400
March to be quote.
The national leader of the

989
00:55:33,400 –> 00:55:36,200
right.
He’s so high and himself, it’s

990
00:55:36,200 –> 00:55:39,100
disgusting.
And we’ll link to an economist

991
00:55:39,100 –> 00:55:41,800
article about this one.
They point out.

992
00:55:41,800 –> 00:55:44,800
There’s a lot of pitfalls for
him, if he decides to do that.

993
00:55:44,800 –> 00:55:48,500
Most of them involving the
dozens of Investigations into

994
00:55:48,500 –> 00:55:52,100
his various criminal activities,
any of which that could

995
00:55:52,100 –> 00:55:54,100
potentially send To jail
constant.

996
00:55:54,100 –> 00:55:56,300
Bunch of money.
Probably just stay in Florida.

997
00:55:56,500 –> 00:55:59,000
Yeah, I’d stay in the United
States.

998
00:56:00,600 –> 00:56:03,700
I’d say on the Gulf side.
Yeah, I’d go to like Hilton Head

999
00:56:04,000 –> 00:56:05,200
exactly.
Oh no.

1000
00:56:05,200 –> 00:56:07,200
That’s Atlantic though.
Oh no.

1001
00:56:07,200 –> 00:56:08,200
No.
I said stay on the side.

1002
00:56:08,200 –> 00:56:09,500
He’s on.
Yeah, yeah.

1003
00:56:09,600 –> 00:56:12,800
The Gophers just nicer.
Yeah, I suppose it’s a good

1004
00:56:12,800 –> 00:56:15,500
beach.
Anyway, anyway, we’re like beach

1005
00:56:15,500 –> 00:56:17,900
in our oh wow!
Thank you.

1006
00:56:17,900 –> 00:56:20,800
God them.
But the economist also points

1007
00:56:20,800 –> 00:56:22,800
out, bowls inaros.
Still shocking.

1008
00:56:23,000 –> 00:56:24,100
We popular.
Yeah.

1009
00:56:24,100 –> 00:56:28,500
And weirdly in a huge departure
from Trump, he is the most

1010
00:56:28,500 –> 00:56:31,300
popular with young people.
Yeah.

1011
00:56:31,400 –> 00:56:34,500
And that I would argue is pretty
scary.

1012
00:56:34,500 –> 00:56:37,300
Yeah.
Or the future of Brazilian

1013
00:56:37,400 –> 00:56:42,500
politics.
In one recent poll 57% of 16 to

1014
00:56:42,500 –> 00:56:46,200
24 year olds said they would
vote for Bowl scenario.

1015
00:56:46,200 –> 00:56:49,600
If an election was happening
that week, that is the highest

1016
00:56:49,600 –> 00:56:52,600
share of any age group in the
poll.

1017
00:56:52,600 –> 00:56:55,900
So, Not just that young people
like him, young people like him

1018
00:56:56,200 –> 00:56:59,200
the most?
Yeah, which is shocking, I

1019
00:56:59,200 –> 00:57:01,000
guess.
Yeah, I don’t know.

1020
00:57:01,000 –> 00:57:03,200
It’s weird.
Hopefully, that’s the sample

1021
00:57:03,200 –> 00:57:05,100
thing.
Maybe that, it’s just that

1022
00:57:05,100 –> 00:57:07,900
sample population.
Yeah, I don’t know.

1023
00:57:08,000 –> 00:57:10,200
That sucks.
Well, there was another poll

1024
00:57:10,500 –> 00:57:14,500
that showed, nearly 40 percent
of Brazilians think loula did

1025
00:57:14,500 –> 00:57:18,000
not win the election and that
belief was shared most strongly

1026
00:57:18,000 –> 00:57:21,400
among 25 to 34.
Year-olds dummies.

1027
00:57:21,400 –> 00:57:26,200
What the hell?
And he’s also just way better on

1028
00:57:26,200 –> 00:57:28,900
social media than sure.
Lula.

1029
00:57:28,900 –> 00:57:31,500
Like it’s almost like a Trump
versus Biden thing.

1030
00:57:31,500 –> 00:57:34,200
I’m very trumpy.
When it comes to social media,

1031
00:57:34,200 –> 00:57:36,900
he’s got 65 million.
Followers, ma’am.

1032
00:57:36,900 –> 00:57:40,600
Lula has 31 million?
I mean, yeah, it’s all very

1033
00:57:40,600 –> 00:57:44,800
disheartening 25 to 30 year olds
with the fuck PD 34 year olds,

1034
00:57:44,800 –> 00:57:48,000
come on, guys, be better.
And he’s still got all that

1035
00:57:48,000 –> 00:57:51,800
support from the agribusiness
sector that he had before and

1036
00:57:51,800 –> 00:57:55,100
the economy has And a tank top
under Lula.

1037
00:57:55,200 –> 00:58:00,200
Yeah, which not necessarily his
fault but also it kind of like

1038
00:58:00,200 –> 00:58:04,900
there was a boom after covid.
Even if it’s not his fault, it

1039
00:58:04,900 –> 00:58:07,600
is something that people can
use, right?

1040
00:58:07,600 –> 00:58:10,800
And so if it comes down to a
future election and I think

1041
00:58:10,808 –> 00:58:13,500
you’re right, that’s probably
why the military wouldn’t get

1042
00:58:13,500 –> 00:58:16,900
involved now because it’s not
like Lula fucking mop.

1043
00:58:16,900 –> 00:58:19,500
The floor with both scenario?
No, I knew you were.

1044
00:58:19,500 –> 00:58:21,100
He’s already gotten arrested
once.

1045
00:58:21,200 –> 00:58:22,900
Yeah.
So it’s no guarantee.

1046
00:58:22,900 –> 00:58:25,700
Guarantee that margin he won by
his going to hold.

1047
00:58:25,700 –> 00:58:28,700
No.
Next time around is best chance

1048
00:58:28,700 –> 00:58:32,300
of staying in power might be
that bull scenario comes back

1049
00:58:32,400 –> 00:58:36,300
and either goes to jail or is
banned from holding office.

1050
00:58:36,300 –> 00:58:40,300
Would be interesting that me
again, the Trump parallels very

1051
00:58:40,300 –> 00:58:42,000
interesting.
Interesting.

1052
00:58:42,100 –> 00:58:45,400
Surely if anything happens even
if anything doesn’t happen with

1053
00:58:45,400 –> 00:58:49,100
that stuff, I think we should do
an episode on the whole Trump

1054
00:58:49,100 –> 00:58:51,100
indictment thing.
Oh yeah.

1055
00:58:51,100 –> 00:58:54,100
Because like if it happens If it
doesn’t happen, there’s

1056
00:58:54,100 –> 00:58:57,800
something weird that’s going on.
Yeah there’s a lot to dig into.

1057
00:58:57,800 –> 00:58:59,200
Yeah.
Well do an episode about that

1058
00:58:59,200 –> 00:59:02,800
but if any of his crimes are
going to keep him from returning

1059
00:59:02,800 –> 00:59:06,900
to office, both scenario that is
I hope it’s something insane

1060
00:59:06,900 –> 00:59:11,600
like this Audi jewelry Scandal
that we will end by talking

1061
00:59:11,600 –> 00:59:15,000
about because it actually seems
like the least alarming thing.

1062
00:59:15,000 –> 00:59:17,300
Sure, gyre Bowl scenario, has
done.

1063
00:59:17,300 –> 00:59:20,200
Yeah, and that’s not taking into
account.

1064
00:59:20,200 –> 00:59:23,100
Just fucking being friends with
Saudi Arabia, Yeah.

1065
00:59:23,600 –> 00:59:26,500
Well, I mean, yeah.
That’s not a great sign.

1066
00:59:26,600 –> 00:59:30,500
No, no.
So in October 20 21, Brazilian

1067
00:59:30,500 –> 00:59:35,300
Customs, agents found a diamond,
necklace matching earrings, a

1068
00:59:35,300 –> 00:59:40,300
watch, and a ring in the
backpack of a government Aid

1069
00:59:40,300 –> 00:59:43,900
traveling, with the country’s,
then energy Minister value of

1070
00:59:43,900 –> 00:59:48,400
the jewelry and question 3.2
million dollars.

1071
00:59:48,800 –> 00:59:51,800
Hmm.
That is a lot.

1072
00:59:51,800 –> 00:59:55,700
It’s a lot of jewelry.
And The Jewels were reportedly a

1073
00:59:55,700 –> 01:00:00,000
gift from the Saudi government
to Michelle Bolson are oh sure.

1074
01:00:00,100 –> 01:00:03,800
He wife of gyre, bowls and arrow
jewelry has been held by Customs

1075
01:00:03,800 –> 01:00:05,900
ever since.
And the government is

1076
01:00:05,900 –> 01:00:09,000
investigating whether the former
president broke the law.

1077
01:00:09,100 –> 01:00:10,800
Yeah.
Trying to bring them into the

1078
01:00:10,800 –> 01:00:14,000
country without declaring money.
Could be the thing that keeps

1079
01:00:14,300 –> 01:00:18,500
gyre, bowls and arrow and out of
Brazil because he was supposed

1080
01:00:18,500 –> 01:00:22,700
to pay some Hefty taxes, right
to bring something like this.

1081
01:00:22,900 –> 01:00:24,900
Into the country from out of the
country.

1082
01:00:24,900 –> 01:00:28,600
Hmm.
This is essentially tax evasion.

1083
01:00:28,600 –> 01:00:31,900
Sure.
And that’s how we got Al Capone.

1084
01:00:31,900 –> 01:00:35,300
I mean, but like I don’t know.
I mean for one thing it is

1085
01:00:35,300 –> 01:00:38,300
definitely how we got Al Capone
and like this might do damage

1086
01:00:38,300 –> 01:00:40,800
but it’s just like I don’t
understand how if you’re a rich

1087
01:00:40,800 –> 01:00:43,800
person and you’re doing rich
people stuff like getting 3

1088
01:00:43,800 –> 01:00:47,200
million bucks worth of jewelry
from somebody, you don’t have

1089
01:00:47,200 –> 01:00:49,900
any way of getting that in
without worrying about customs

1090
01:00:49,900 –> 01:00:52,800
and taxes and shit, you can’t
figure that shit out, you got.

1091
01:00:52,900 –> 01:00:55,300
Just put it in your carry-on or
whatever.

1092
01:00:55,900 –> 01:01:01,500
I mean, no, you give it to your
Lackey, the aid of the energy

1093
01:01:01,500 –> 01:01:03,100
Ministry.
But I’m just saying, like

1094
01:01:03,100 –> 01:01:05,400
getting like, put it in your
fucking offshore bank account,

1095
01:01:05,400 –> 01:01:09,200
or whatever, you can’t put it in
his asshole or something, Have

1096
01:01:09,200 –> 01:01:13,500
him smuggle it in like, heroin,
sure, maybe he just wear it and

1097
01:01:13,500 –> 01:01:15,700
then feel like this is mine.
I wear it.

1098
01:01:15,700 –> 01:01:18,400
Yeah, that’s what I would do.
All this fake prove.

1099
01:01:18,400 –> 01:01:20,200
It’s not right.
The family.

1100
01:01:20,200 –> 01:01:22,100
Would, they would literally just
sees it.

1101
01:01:22,100 –> 01:01:24,000
Yeah.
Prove that it was real.

1102
01:01:24,000 –> 01:01:25,400
It’ll keep it.
I don’t know.

1103
01:01:25,400 –> 01:01:28,000
It just it.
Also like you’re also a corrupt

1104
01:01:28,000 –> 01:01:30,900
government official.
You can’t fucking make this

1105
01:01:31,100 –> 01:01:32,900
work.
Like, who’s your enemy and the

1106
01:01:32,900 –> 01:01:36,900
Customs Department?
Yeah, it feels like a little bit

1107
01:01:36,900 –> 01:01:41,000
of a targeted thing.
Yeah, but also I love this part

1108
01:01:41,000 –> 01:01:43,600
Bowl scenario claims, he never
intended to keep the jewels.

1109
01:01:43,600 –> 01:01:46,200
This is a quote.
I’m getting crucified for a

1110
01:01:46,200 –> 01:01:48,400
present.
I never received.

1111
01:01:48,400 –> 01:01:52,700
I’ve never abused my authority,
but then in the same press,

1112
01:01:52,900 –> 01:01:57,100
Conference, he did concede that
there is a second case,

1113
01:01:57,400 –> 01:02:02,400
containing a watch a ring,
cufflinks, a rosary, and a pen.

1114
01:02:02,400 –> 01:02:05,100
And that was all valued at
seventy-five thousand dollars,

1115
01:02:05,100 –> 01:02:06,900
right?
And that did get past custom.

1116
01:02:06,900 –> 01:02:09,700
That’s fucking bullshit that
keeps that’s chump change.

1117
01:02:09,700 –> 01:02:12,900
And he kept all that, but he did
intend to keep this.

1118
01:02:12,900 –> 01:02:15,600
He was going to let the egg to
the energy Minister.

1119
01:02:15,600 –> 01:02:18,400
Keep it sure you were, that
sounds about, right?

1120
01:02:18,500 –> 01:02:22,300
And yeah, the tax money.
He would owe on this alone.

1121
01:02:22,300 –> 01:02:23,500
Might Be.
I don’t know.

1122
01:02:23,500 –> 01:02:25,700
It seems like he’s got to have
more money than that though,

1123
01:02:25,700 –> 01:02:26,600
right?
I don’t know.

1124
01:02:26,600 –> 01:02:28,800
Yeah.
Probably or connections with

1125
01:02:28,800 –> 01:02:32,900
money.
I just imagined in my mind, all

1126
01:02:32,900 –> 01:02:35,600
sufficiently fascist
politicians.

1127
01:02:35,600 –> 01:02:37,600
Just have access to loads of
money.

1128
01:02:37,600 –> 01:02:39,100
Yeah.
Because you’re a good

1129
01:02:39,100 –> 01:02:43,000
mouthpiece.
Yeah, I’d be surprised if he

1130
01:02:43,000 –> 01:02:44,200
doesn’t.
Yeah.

1131
01:02:44,400 –> 01:02:47,000
And yeah, I don’t know.
Maybe Saudi Arabia.

1132
01:02:47,000 –> 01:02:48,500
Set him up.
Maybe.

1133
01:02:48,900 –> 01:02:50,200
Maybe.
I don’t know.

1134
01:02:50,200 –> 01:02:52,600
I don’t think he’s just really
bad at this.

1135
01:02:52,900 –> 01:02:57,300
Could see Lula or the Supreme
Court, which whoo.

1136
01:02:57,500 –> 01:03:00,000
This episode’s already pretty
long so I didn’t put it in the

1137
01:03:00,000 –> 01:03:03,200
notes but there’s a Wall Street
Journal, editorial about the

1138
01:03:03,200 –> 01:03:06,700
Lula government.
Mmm, they take a very different

1139
01:03:06,700 –> 01:03:10,000
approach to talking about
Brazilian politics.

1140
01:03:10,000 –> 01:03:11,500
Yeah.
The Wall Street Journal has a

1141
01:03:11,500 –> 01:03:14,000
slightly different.
I have to know so I can imagine

1142
01:03:14,000 –> 01:03:17,800
they are they are not fans of
the Brazilian Supreme Court what

1143
01:03:17,800 –> 01:03:21,400
so Evelyn they and they’re not a
big fan of left-wing politician.

1144
01:03:21,400 –> 01:03:24,000
Lula know.
If you can believe it.

1145
01:03:24,000 –> 01:03:26,300
Yeah, but yeah.
I don’t know.

1146
01:03:26,400 –> 01:03:31,300
It’s a thing that is still worth
keeping tabs on and I really

1147
01:03:31,300 –> 01:03:34,000
it’s just it’s one of those
things where it’s like similar

1148
01:03:34,000 –> 01:03:37,900
with our own situation.
It’s hard to know what to do and

1149
01:03:37,900 –> 01:03:41,600
you know what’s going to happen
because all of the tried and

1150
01:03:41,600 –> 01:03:45,200
true things you know we’ve tried
nothing and everything, nothing

1151
01:03:45,200 –> 01:03:47,200
worked.
So right and we’re all out of

1152
01:03:47,200 –> 01:03:49,200
ideas what was it?
The Simpsons quote?

1153
01:03:49,200 –> 01:03:50,700
We tried nothing wrong with
ideas.

1154
01:03:51,100 –> 01:03:55,200
That’s yeah, that pretty Much
describes it, you know, and

1155
01:03:55,500 –> 01:03:58,800
we’ll see how things develop
with Brazilian politics this.

1156
01:03:58,800 –> 01:04:02,700
I always say we’ll keep tabs on
this story and I never mean it

1157
01:04:02,700 –> 01:04:07,100
but now I got that subscription
to the Brazilian report now so

1158
01:04:07,200 –> 01:04:10,300
well they gotta use it.
Be getting my doors beat down

1159
01:04:10,300 –> 01:04:15,100
with Lula and Bolson Ro news.
No and yeah, even if both

1160
01:04:15,100 –> 01:04:18,100
scenario, never goes back to
Brazil.

1161
01:04:18,100 –> 01:04:19,500
That’s not going to fix the
problem.

1162
01:04:19,500 –> 01:04:23,300
No, like if Trump disappeared
tomorrow, that’s not Not know,

1163
01:04:23,300 –> 01:04:25,800
going to fix the problem.
Like, who is Brazil’s?

1164
01:04:25,800 –> 01:04:28,400
Rhonda Santa’s going to be.
Yeah.

1165
01:04:28,500 –> 01:04:30,700
Like that?
Think that is pulsing our face.

1166
01:04:30,700 –> 01:04:32,200
Yeah.
A little bit.

1167
01:04:32,200 –> 01:04:35,200
It does kind of seem like that.
But uh, yeah.

1168
01:04:35,200 –> 01:04:38,200
Well, keep you updated everybody
in the meantime.

1169
01:04:38,200 –> 01:04:41,700
I think that’s our episode,
Olivia, do you have anything to

1170
01:04:41,700 –> 01:04:45,100
plug before we get out of here?
Well, we just finished season 1

1171
01:04:45,100 –> 01:04:47,800
of going back.
Our lost re-watch podcast.

1172
01:04:47,800 –> 01:04:50,500
We did so that should be public
soon.

1173
01:04:50,800 –> 01:04:53,400
Yeah, not yet.
But eventually You’ll know when

1174
01:04:53,400 –> 01:04:55,700
it is, I’m playing.
I’m addressing the people of the

1175
01:04:55,700 –> 01:04:57,500
future.
Sure, people of the future.

1176
01:04:57,500 –> 01:05:00,500
It’s probably out and we’ll be
starting season 2.

1177
01:05:00,700 –> 01:05:05,200
And other than that, I guess you
can find me on Twitter, but I

1178
01:05:05,200 –> 01:05:09,400
don’t really do it.
So, um, Adam, Todd Brown dotsub

1179
01:05:09,400 –> 01:05:13,900
stack.com now that my face is
getting closer to being healed.

1180
01:05:13,900 –> 01:05:18,900
I’ll be back to writing soon and
you know, I’m gonna try and do

1181
01:05:18,900 –> 01:05:22,300
more episodes of The Conspiracy
pod going forward.

1182
01:05:22,300 –> 01:05:25,600
So, So be on the lookout for
more bonus episodes and things

1183
01:05:25,600 –> 01:05:28,300
and beyond that.
I think that’s it.

1184
01:05:28,300 –> 01:05:31,200
Let’s get the fuck out of here.
Olivia say goodbye.

1185
01:05:31,300 –> 01:05:32,900
Bye.
Goodbye everybody.

1186
01:05:32,900 –> 01:05:39,000
We love you.
People.