Conspiracy! The Show 247: Fox and the Big Lie

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Welcome to conspiracy the show.
The world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast with
your host, Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia haydar
Hey everybody, Welcome to

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conspiracy the show.
I’m your host, Adam Todd.

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Brown joining me as special
guest co-host this week.

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Samantha Jane is here.
How’s it going?

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Samantha?
How’s it going?

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Okay, okay, all right.
Excited to be in La where we’re

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not breathing and wildfires
right now.

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Suck that New York are is it
that New York is the one on fire

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this time?
It’s because I’m one of the

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people that, you know, moved
from New York to LA and a lot of

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them are like, do you see this?
Do you see this la like

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everything’s a competition
between us?

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So like our air sucks to okay.
Yeah, yeah but California bursts

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into flames like every winter.
Like you’re hot right now, but

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we like are always hot.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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And on fire before New York.
Yeah.

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Like you haven’t been on fire.
We are covering a documentary

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about Out the 2020 election.
It’s an ABC News, Australia,

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documentary.
But I did like that it was the

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Australian because they were
very invested in Rupert Murdoch

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and like this is why he went to
America’s to do this fucked-up

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shit that you can’t do here to
keep explaining like it’s

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different in America.
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And normally I would I mean not
seriously have the question but

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it is tempting to be like, hey
Australia, what do you fucking

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care?
Why don’t you make a

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documentary?
About your own elections.

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But also, yeah, Rupert Murdoch
is from Australia.

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So they get to have a dog in
this fight.

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And I have to say, first
impression.

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I’ve been watching a lot of
succession.

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I’m trying to catch up.
I haven’t quite finished, but I

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immediately was like, oh this is
a, this is all the characters

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like, this is the royal family.
These are the brothers fighting

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for, who’s going on the company.
And like, all of a sudden I’m

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the good guy, but are you?
You’re still like a rich guy

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doing, like, literally the woman
that runs Fox News.

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His exactly like the one that
runs a Janos.

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Like oh cool.
It’s like the show.

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And I think succession might
partially be based on the

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Murdoch family.
It wouldn’t surprise some

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inspiration there.
I think.

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Definitely, I mean the minute I
realized that it was like, oh

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this is like how, you know
Citizen Kane is really about

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however, the newspaper guy was
then, I forgot was that Hearst?

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That sounds right newspaper guy.
One of those guys, a lot of

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things were And after this is a
Four Corners investigation.

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I don’t know what that means.
It sounds like it’s just a show

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within ABC News, Australia?
Yeah, I think it’s like a

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dateline, sort of.
It is what I would assume.

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You know with journalist Sarah
Ferguson that name sounded

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familiar, but I’ve literally
well, that’s because it isn’t

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Sarah Ferguson also the Duchess
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Okay.
Yeah, that’s what I think I was

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thinking of, I don’t think this
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Although that would have been
amazing.

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I think she stops in the middle
of the pitch.

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Wait watch.
Yeah, this is actually Fergie

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from the Black Eyed Peas, right?
Also it should start a super

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group.
So a lot of this is about how

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Donald Trump really caused a
rift within Fox News?

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Which shouldn’t surprise anyone
because Donald Trump caused a

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rift in everything.
Yeah, I wish that they had like

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almost played that up more.
Like they were so dry and, you

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know, nose is like journalistic.
But like, you could tell they

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really wanted to play on this
angle of like the rift Between

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Brothers and it tore apart his
family.

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Yeah.
Oh my God.

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That’s just it.
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I kind of want to see that
documentary or just make it into

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a TV show.
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with accent.
Yeah, there’s just so little

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footage of the actual Murdock,
Brothers, you know, and and

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Rupert.
It was all like them speaking.

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You know, except for that
opening them as little kids

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which is I’m like Oh I thought
we were going to go down a very

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like Netflix, he kind of
documentary and then it went dry

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and it’s took the opening with
her, asking the kid.

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Like what’s a good thing about
your father?

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Yeah.
And he’s like he takes us

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camping.
Yeah, we’re gonna pull on that

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thread.
What’s going on here?

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My favorite thing that Daddy
does is when he takes us to the

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woods.
All alone the forest and we play

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games.
It was very like poignant pause

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for that.
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The other kit in.
Yeah you really see those two

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kids Personalities in that
moment because the other kid

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when he answers he’s like a
media is vilifying my dad and

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it’s like calm down.
You fucking ten-year-old.

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Yeah.
And the other one that goes the

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other ones like a takes us
camping.

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Yeah.
Like British accent but those

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are the original Australian just
like too far back and then

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there’s the one that defects
later.

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Yeah.
I have questions about him.

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That’s James murder.
He strikes me as a very Kendall

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Roy is what I got.
Ya and they’re like, oh, he’s

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more moderate.
And I’m like what does that

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mean?
What does that mean coming from

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someone who’s still wants to run
Fox News as a conservative

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Outlet?
It’s like he probably still

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doesn’t think trans people are
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He just thinks the election
wasn’t stolen also so it’s like

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okay well your moderate then I
feel like yeah that Kendall Roy

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Vibe of like you know I just
picture myself as this good guy.

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This white night and I’m
different and I’m going to

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create change when they’re the
same people with the same

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values, really?
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Are like when people are like,
isn’t the new pope?

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Cool.
It’s like, now, we hope he’s

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not, I don’t care if we listen
to the same music, he’s so

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fucking Pope.
Yeah, I’m a man of the people.

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Except I also just want to run a
different Corporation and be

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like my own boss and not be
under my daddy exam.

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So different than my daddy.
They talk about the launch of

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Fox news.
That happened in 1996, and they

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had That fair and balanced
tagline right away, which was

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always kind of a lol.
They were never fair and

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balanced but I like if you have
to say you are yeah and that’s

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not to say that the Publications
on the other side are super fair

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and balanced.
They just know not to say that

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they are.
I mean, you know, I took one

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journalism class in college so I
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journalistic, integrity and
standards.

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Um, you’re always supposed to be
aiming for the most objective

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view you can do but you know,
everyone is subjective.

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You’re always going to have like
your own, you know, lenses

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coloring, how you see events and
you know good journalist take

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care to try and write that out,
you know, editors will try and

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edit that out.
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like the New York Times will be
like we try and be so objective

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that they sometimes won’t
actually take the stance that

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you.
Manatee would taste.

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It’s like, okay, we also got a
report that was a lot of Donald

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Trump things.
It’s like there was a quote,

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someone said is like, it was
their job to report what he said

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and what his people said.
But they didn’t have to package

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it and sell it and you know,
beyond message with it, you

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know.
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And that I think speaks to a big
problem with the media in this

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country which is that they value
access to the government, a

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little too much to the point
that it’s like, If we criticize

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too much, or if we like
speculate on things that they

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haven’t officially told us, then
we’re just going to be barred

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from the White House, all
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And then how do we do our job?
We, it’s kind of like how TMZ is

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about.
Yeah, well, just all these and

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social media.
It’s like now that it’s about

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access and not just, you know,
being a weird little reporter

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outside trying to like, figure
out what’s going on and it’s

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about getting access to
interviews and stuff.

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People are very Arie, I just I
feel like marketing has been so

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insidiously intertwined with
journalism in a way that is

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gross.
And people don’t realize like

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how PR and public relations.
I also took a class in PR, so

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I’m like, really people say, a
lot of things are press

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releases.
A press release is sent out by

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someone’s people.
That is the official message

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they want out there and a
journalist should get a press

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release.
Maybe Some quotes tell people

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that these are quotes coming
from that person and their

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advertising arm and it’s like
their messaging, but a lot of

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times reporters are lazy and
they will just pretty much copy

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and paste a press release and
sell it as reporting which is

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literally just being a funnel
for a marketing team.

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You know, it’s like printing an
advertisement but then saying

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it’s news and like, that’s been
happening for a long time in

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journalism when you start
getting into doing that with

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like, politics and world.
The events then sometimes that

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marketing team is the CIA that’s
been.

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I mean honestly Edward Bernays
is like the father of modern PR

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he was like Freud’s nephew said
he was the first one that’s like

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you know we make people feel
things, you can sell them ideas,

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you know, not right products and
he worked for FDR selling the

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New Deal to America.
So this is actually been going

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on for a long time.
They’re just getting like both

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like horrifyingly good and also
a little sloppy at the same

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time.
There’s Book that I did a couple

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episodes of this podcast about
that’s called the CIA in the

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cult of intelligence.
And it’s the first book, the

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American government ever went to
court to try and get censored as

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it was a former CIA agent who
just fell out and was like, I’m

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going to tell you everything the
CIA does.

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And one of the things they
talked about in that book is

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that one point the CIA and they
obviously still do this but they

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were putting out press releases.
Lisa’s and news stories in other

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countries that they knew were
fake, but they were just doing

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it to try and cause whatever
reaction they wanted in that

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country.
And there were cases where Us

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outlets would pick up those
stories and end up reporting

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them in the u.s., in the CIA
said, nothing at no point.

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Did they step in and go?
Oh, hey, that was just a fake

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story that we were spreading
because now the lie that they

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want spread in that country is
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To and that just makes it all
the more effective.

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Yeah, so yeah.
It’s a lazy way to do your job

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if you’re a reporter.
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Just not questioning
information.

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You’re given is like kind of
your one job is being that

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filter.
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And at its heart this
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it’s a whole it’s even worse
than that because this isn’t

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just a news organization being
told a story and then reporting

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it without checking it.
They knew what they were

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reporting.
Was false well getting to the

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point and you know they talked
about this where it just becomes

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so egregious that they’re at his
rallies so it’s not just

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objective reporting.
It’s like this team thing.

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Like we’re on this side.
The interview Gretchen Carlson

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in this which is interesting
because she says a lot, but then

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they get to like a couple
questions and she’s like I have

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an NDA.
I can’t say anything.

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I mean she even said she’s like
you know her and a few other

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women had Actually, approached
Fox News to be released from

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their NDS because this I number
for me to and all of that, and

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like, I get it.
You’re a woman reporting like

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there’s this conflict,
especially when there wasn’t a

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movement or an outlet wanting,
that story to be the person to

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come out.
You are seated as bitter, angry

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looking for attention, all of
this stuff where there’s no

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reason for a woman to come.
Tell their story, unless they

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really morally feel like it’s
going to make an impact and do

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something for someone else.
Otherwise, like, people think

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you’re looking for money, which
you’re not, but you don’t get

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Get some telling your story
because they probably took money

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and damages.
And and as a, you know, result

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they had to say, they wouldn’t
tell their story but at the

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time, I don’t think they felt
like anyone would have listened

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to their stories.
So why wouldn’t they take the

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money?
Yeah, and her being in this

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actually lends, a lot of
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they’re telling because despite
her history, with Roger Ailes,

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she’s also like, if Roger Ailes
stayed at Fox News, it wouldn’t

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have turned into This.
Yeah that was an interesting

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section because it was like on
the one hand, they did, you

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know, definitely saying, you
know, Roger had those egregious

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personal life and no one knew
and whatever he took himself

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off, but they’re also like.
But he was good at his job, you

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know, there’s like a little bit
of a like, you know, me to like,

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sometimes people are horrible,
personal people, but they’re

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good.
They’re better at their jobs and

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other people and like, where do
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I guess.
Yeah, and it’s there could have

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been someone better fine to
replace them.

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But sure.
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And I mean, that’s her being
what Fox News isn’t.

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That’s her, being objective
like, you know, does happen

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sometimes assholes are horrible.
People are really good at their

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jobs.
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And it doesn’t make them not
horrible people and it doesn’t

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make you a horrible person for
pointing that out.

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It’s just, I fucking facts
because things are not good,

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team bad team, black and white,
which we love.

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And which kind of, you know, is
a driver in this whole divisive

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political climate like people
don’t want to be like, wow,

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people are complicated and their
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Someone to hate can also have
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It’s just not as long.
Mm.

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Yeah.
Like even then at the same time

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fuck.
Roger Ailes.

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Like I’m glad he got fired and
they make a big point of Fox

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News like becoming way less
objective.

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After Roger Ailes, it’s like
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Were they ever thought I had a
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Also was I it doesn’t seem like
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Roger Ailes in any major way, it
just became nepotistic and kind

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of bumped up.
To the murdochs taking over

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would an industry.
They don’t really know how to do

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or care about and just using it
as more of a mouthpiece for

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their own personal preference.
I thinking of it in a marketing

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way, they were like, oh, we’re
following our audience and, you

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know, which is not, what news is
not supposed to cater to the

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crowd like entertainment, you
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Yeah, I get the sense, Roger
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personality because one of the
other things they talk about is

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he just kept Rupert Murdoch out.
The news business like Rupert,

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Murdoch was the owner and just
had no say over what was

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And then once Roger Ailes left,
that’s when Rupert Murdoch moved

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in, and I still don’t completely
by the idea that Fox News was in

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anyway, objective before that.
I think they’re saying it was

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completely objective, but
they’re like, it was better.

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It was never great.
It always lean one way, you

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know, but it wasn’t blatantly a
mouse.

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Mouthpiece I crank, which is
what it definitely becomes.

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Yeah.
They would try and have like

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debates and have you know,
Democrats even like they’re even

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if just for show.
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Hannity and Colmes Combs was the
Democrat on that debate show.

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Sean Puff Daddy, Combs.
That’s not bad.

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Wow, what is shittier version of
Honeycombs?

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And so yeah, they talk to
Gretchen Carlson another guy.

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They talk to us.
I found really interesting was

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Chris steyer, Walt who was a Fox
News, political editor for 10

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years, who becomes really
integral to this story, but I

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don’t know.
The remember which one here is,

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he’s the guy because a lot of
this centers around the idea

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that the 2020 election was
stolen the big lie, Chris

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speier, Walt was the guy
working.

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The Fox News decision desk, like
the head of the decision desk.

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Ask who on Election night called
Arizona for Joe Biden.

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Yes.
And almost everyone else.

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At Fox News was irate that they
called Arizona for Joe Biden

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before anyone else.
Well, can he act like Trump took

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that as a personal offense,
right?

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He took it as the murdochs not
having his back not being loyal.

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And meanwhile this style walk
guys like we should have been

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celebrating the fact that we
were first And that we were

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right.
Like, that’s what you’re

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supposed to do.
Yeah, during election has, you

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not only want to be right?
But you want to be first.

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It will be for a particular
candidate link.

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A blatant thing of like
everything journalism, should be

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celebrated for getting the
story.

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Correct.
And the fastest was, you know,

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they didn’t like it and piece of
like you didn’t serve the

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message incorrectly.
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What did you think of Susan
Estridge?

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So which one was Susan, a
stretch.

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Was the Democrat who helped
Roger Ailes kind of form his

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defense around those who she’s a
blonde lady.

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Blonde lady, deep voice.
Yeah.

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Okay.
Yeah.

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She reminded me of one, of the
characters in succession to.

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Yeah, she did.
Yeah, she’s got those like what

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do you do for a living kind of
Vibes where it’s like, he just

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you aren’t really sure what she
does but she clearly does

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something and she’s very good at
it.

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That goes I’m just being like a
You’re like she seems like a

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problem solver.
Yeah.

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I’m saying a political cleaner
or something.

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Yeah, she’s probably had.
People murdered.

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Like, that’s what I’m getting at
or helped write this story about

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it, right?
Exactly.

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They call her under the like,
what do we do about this?

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Yeah, to her credit.
She steers Roger Ailes away from

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what she calls the nuts, and
sluts defense, which is a

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phrase, she coined herself.
And I hope it’s not because she

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Lloyd that strategy in the past,
but I feel well she called it

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though.
She’s not wrong.

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Like, oh something happened,
she’s either crazy.

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Or she’s a sludge nuts and
sluts.

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I was like, yeah, yeah.
And yeah, to her credit.

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She steers Roger Ailes away from
that and she’s like, I’m not

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going to help you defend
yourself.

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I’ll just help you settle and he
leaves with a shit ton of money.

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Gretchen Carlson got a lot of
money and now she can’t talk

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about it anymore, which that’s
fair.

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Like I feel like I would take, I
think she got 20 million

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dollars.
Yeah, I mean, good chunk.

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There’s a benefit to telling a
story like, you know, really

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just get more criticism and
harassment so it’s like not fun

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for women to come out and talk
about what’s happened to them?

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Yeah.
Do you remember the Triumph?

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The insult comic, dog, election,
special.

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That was on Hulu, leading up to
the 2016 election.

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Vaguely there is a Crazy scene
in that.

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Where Roger Ailes is in it for
like not a while like a while.

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He doesn’t just like make a
cameo and there’s one scene in

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this is after all of the
allegations of come out but

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before he was fired and there’s
a scene where they’re doing it

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jokingly, but Roger Ailes is
being interviewed by a female

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reporter.
And he’s just staring at her

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chest the entire time she talks
and I always felt like that.

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It speaks to what kind of person
Roger Ailes must be to like be

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in that kind of shit storm of a
new story about you being a sex

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Crete and then going on a TV
show that is clearly being

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filmed after that has all come
out and being like, yeah, I’m

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brace being a fucking sex.
Creep on camera, what’s going to

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happen to me?
It’s like, it’s like, when you

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start to question like are you
oblivious?

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Or do you just really think
you’re that Untouchable?

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Yeah.
Like which you want to think

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that you’re just an idiot who’s
like that’s habit and you don’t

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realize you’re being filmed and
later, we’re like, whoa, whoops.

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But if you really just don’t
like nobody fuckin touch me.

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There really is a point in
history where Fox News does go

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from kind of being just a news
Outlet to being the mouthpiece

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of the Trump Administration.
And it is after Roger, Ailes

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leaves and Rupert.
Doc comes in and at first, you

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think he’s going to cede control
to his sons and he doesn’t at

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first and one of them ends up
just leaving.

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That’s James.
The one who handle Roy’s.

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Yeah, things.
And lachlan’s credit.

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Both, at least in terms of the
me to stuff after Gretchen

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Carlson went public.
At least in their public words,

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they sound like they’re on the
right side of History.

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Where They asked Rupert Murdoch
about it and he’s like off, it’s

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a bunch of nothing like he acts
so to bother.

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This is beneficial for the sons
because there’s a big Power

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vacuum for one of them to step
into for their father.

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His buddies getting sent up the
river for shit he probably did

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with him you know so they’re
gonna have very different views

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on it even just from their own
personal.

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How’s it going to benefit me?
You know.

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Yeah subjectivity and so the
rift between those three because

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Um’s enough that like we said
James just leaves and goes to

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lick.
Question is James is saying he

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doesn’t agree with what’s
happening at Fox News.

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I think he goes to do his own
news, right?

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Like a different and he’s even
like Fox, they’re doing their

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thing over there, but I’m like,
okay.

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Or was there a battle for who
was going to lead?

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Fox News and you didn’t get it.
Yeah, you know, your brother

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will never really know, but it’s
like yeah, which that if that

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was the case, it would be smart
of him to come out the other end

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and be like, hey, they’re just
too conservative for me.

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Yeah.
Oh yeah.

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Want me while I’m defecting.
We went to the other side, I’m

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going to your competition now.
Yeah.

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And I think the fact that I
don’t know where he went or what

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he’s doing speaks to how well
that even if he had become a

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large because I yeah I never
knew this as part of, you know,

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a consuming American Media.
I didn’t know that one of the

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roofer Brothers had defected and
gone liberal if he had done that

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in a big way where people in
America knew about it, it might

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have met something people in
box.

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Watchers will, why did his own
son?

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Abandon him because they of a
family narrative.

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Yeah.
But he didn’t make a big stink

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about it until like after shit
went down he kind of had a like

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I told you so moment which just
feels Petty and not like a

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little genuine and so yeah.
They talk about election night

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and Fox News calling Arizona for
Joe Biden.

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Which if you’ve looked into the
2020 election theories, the

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conspiracy theories around it.
That’s huge because Arizona is

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the state where that carried on
the They had carry Lake.

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Who was she Governor?
At the time?

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I had a very Florida of the West
Vibe.

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Yes.
And she was a candidate for

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governor and she was so
outspoken about the 20/20

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election being stolen especially
in Maricopa County in Arizona,

436
00:23:52,800 –> 00:23:56,100
and that carried on for such a
long time.

437
00:23:56,200 –> 00:24:00,900
So that Fox News is is kind of
the outlet that kicked off that

438
00:24:00,900 –> 00:24:03,400
conspiracy theory.
I find that really interesting

439
00:24:03,500 –> 00:24:07,500
because bad like just major
flashback to the first election

440
00:24:07,500 –> 00:24:09,400
I ever voted.
In Florida, was the hanging

441
00:24:09,400 –> 00:24:10,900
Chads?
I’m from West Palm Beach.

442
00:24:10,900 –> 00:24:13,500
That was Palm Beach County was
the fucking hanging Chads for

443
00:24:13,500 –> 00:24:17,000
months and I’m just like, oh
we’re going back to the

444
00:24:17,000 –> 00:24:20,700
Playbook, it just feels very
similar because they called it

445
00:24:20,700 –> 00:24:22,200
for Arizona.
But then they immediately

446
00:24:22,400 –> 00:24:25,100
backpedaled like the day in the
days after it was clear that

447
00:24:25,100 –> 00:24:28,700
Trump was mad at them, right?
And they could live Like, the

448
00:24:28,700 –> 00:24:32,800
official decision desk, never
backpedaled, but their anchors

449
00:24:32,800 –> 00:24:35,800
are the ones.
Who start pushing the idea that

450
00:24:35,900 –> 00:24:39,800
maybe not only did Trump
actually win Arizona, he won the

451
00:24:39,800 –> 00:24:41,900
entire election.
Well then they get into the

452
00:24:41,900 –> 00:24:46,000
crazy when they start going
after the voting machines.

453
00:24:46,200 –> 00:24:52,800
Yes, which is unhinged, it is
nuts when she gets like that’s

454
00:24:52,800 –> 00:24:55,900
when that woman just implodes
dirt when the reporters.

455
00:24:55,900 –> 00:24:58,800
Like but this is a basic fact,
you could Google.

456
00:24:59,200 –> 00:25:01,400
Yeah, because wants is to get
angry.

457
00:25:01,400 –> 00:25:06,300
I can’t talk about because they
have a passion that was lawyer,

458
00:25:06,300 –> 00:25:10,900
Sydney, Powell.
Who is a crazy person, absolute

459
00:25:11,000 –> 00:25:15,200
and used to be like a federal
official, of course.

460
00:25:15,400 –> 00:25:19,200
Yeah, one of the lassic
sociopath Vibes, she does.

461
00:25:19,300 –> 00:25:23,500
If you look into her background,
this is what she does.

462
00:25:23,600 –> 00:25:26,400
She’s a salesperson.
She’s an attack dog.

463
00:25:26,700 –> 00:25:30,400
Yeah, it’s been cleaned.
To be fair, she’s not a reporter

464
00:25:31,600 –> 00:25:33,200
right?
So she doesn’t have to tell the

465
00:25:33,200 –> 00:25:34,900
truth.
Yeah one of the things that

466
00:25:34,900 –> 00:25:38,600
comes up in this documentary or
one of the focuses of it is the

467
00:25:38,600 –> 00:25:43,200
various lawsuits that were filed
against all of the people

468
00:25:43,200 –> 00:25:48,300
responsible for spreading these
stolen election lies and one of

469
00:25:48,300 –> 00:25:51,800
those companies is smartmatic.
There is this conspiracy out

470
00:25:51,800 –> 00:25:55,700
there that smartmatic was like
the leader of this Nationwide

471
00:25:55,700 –> 00:26:00,400
effort to steal votes and To
alter votes and meanwhile

472
00:26:00,400 –> 00:26:06,100
smartmatic was used in one state
California and only in LA county

473
00:26:06,200 –> 00:26:09,800
which, you know, real digged out
always, Which Way LA County was,

474
00:26:09,800 –> 00:26:13,400
you know, exactly.
And now, yeah, well, like that

475
00:26:13,400 –> 00:26:17,700
also felt personal because, you
know, Trump is a show man and he

476
00:26:17,700 –> 00:26:20,000
wants to be popular and he
considers himself part of

477
00:26:20,000 –> 00:26:21,600
Hollywood because he had a TV
show.

478
00:26:21,800 –> 00:26:23,500
So I feel like he probably took
it personally.

479
00:26:23,500 –> 00:26:25,500
Like, fuck La.
Yeah.

480
00:26:25,500 –> 00:26:27,300
It had to be something like
that.

481
00:26:27,300 –> 00:26:31,100
Like, I feel Like the people who
put this Theory together knew,

482
00:26:31,100 –> 00:26:35,400
it was obviously a lie and I
don’t know, maybe they fed this

483
00:26:35,400 –> 00:26:38,500
to Sydney, Powell Justice.
There’s also like no fuck the

484
00:26:38,500 –> 00:26:40,800
Hollywood Elite.
It’s kind of like, blaming

485
00:26:40,800 –> 00:26:43,500
Hollywood blaming the juice,
right?

486
00:26:43,500 –> 00:26:47,000
The elites, fuck the lizard
people who run Hollywood, they

487
00:26:47,000 –> 00:26:50,100
stole the election somehow but
like blame it on Hollywood.

488
00:26:50,100 –> 00:26:53,200
Not the worst play for
conservatives trying to sell the

489
00:26:53,200 –> 00:26:56,500
rest of the come the country on
this idea who don’t know, Ella

490
00:26:56,500 –> 00:26:59,000
County and think we’re all.
This is a shed.

491
00:26:59,800 –> 00:27:04,200
But but then if that’s the case,
you damn, sure better be ready

492
00:27:04,200 –> 00:27:08,100
to answer the question of.
How many places were smartmatic

493
00:27:08,100 –> 00:27:09,100
voting machines?
Yeah.

494
00:27:09,100 –> 00:27:11,400
When they just like show all the
clips where they are.

495
00:27:11,800 –> 00:27:15,100
Blatantly lying saying like
smartmatic owned the other

496
00:27:15,100 –> 00:27:19,800
company which is not true saying
just like things factually that

497
00:27:19,800 –> 00:27:23,100
aren’t true.
Yeah, Sarah Ferguson, ask sir.

498
00:27:23,300 –> 00:27:26,200
How many places and she was
like, I don’t know, probably too

499
00:27:26,200 –> 00:27:28,100
many to count if I’m being
honest.

500
00:27:28,400 –> 00:27:32,400
And Sarah Ferguson’s like one is
used in one place and you could

501
00:27:32,400 –> 00:27:35,600
have just Googled that she does.
She’s a deflection.

502
00:27:35,700 –> 00:27:36,600
Yes.
He’s like, well there’s

503
00:27:36,600 –> 00:27:39,200
information you don’t know and I
can’t speak about this because

504
00:27:39,200 –> 00:27:41,700
it’s under litigation and
there’s things I cannot talk

505
00:27:41,700 –> 00:27:44,700
about like it just becomes a
holy you just don’t know.

506
00:27:44,700 –> 00:27:46,700
But I also can’t tell you.
Yeah.

507
00:27:46,700 –> 00:27:49,300
Very convenient defense.
Yeah.

508
00:27:49,300 –> 00:27:52,100
And then she has to keep his
hand as he walks out.

509
00:27:52,200 –> 00:27:54,800
Yeah.
That are Kelly on 20/20 moment

510
00:27:54,800 –> 00:27:58,100
where she just stands up and
acts like she’s been so

511
00:27:58,200 –> 00:28:00,100
Aggrieved will see, I said to
the reporter.

512
00:28:00,100 –> 00:28:02,100
I’m starting to question why
you’re even here because if

513
00:28:02,100 –> 00:28:06,600
she’s the conspiracy yeah it’s
like it’s a master class in

514
00:28:06,600 –> 00:28:09,100
sociopathic deflection.
Like instead of answer your

515
00:28:09,100 –> 00:28:12,500
question, I get offended that
you would even ask this and it’s

516
00:28:12,500 –> 00:28:16,900
really typical of pretty much
all of the conspiracy theories

517
00:28:16,900 –> 00:28:20,000
that this group in particular
like Sydney Powell, Rudy

518
00:28:20,000 –> 00:28:22,500
Giuliani, all the stuff they
push.

519
00:28:22,600 –> 00:28:26,600
You eventually hit that wall
where it’s like, alright, show

520
00:28:26,600 –> 00:28:28,600
me the evidence and they’re
like, No.

521
00:28:28,800 –> 00:28:33,500
In one of the best examples of
that is the hunter Biden’s

522
00:28:33,500 –> 00:28:39,400
laptop story, there is actually
a quote from Rudy Giuliani where

523
00:28:39,400 –> 00:28:43,900
someone asked him.
Why he doesn’t just make this

524
00:28:43,900 –> 00:28:47,200
evidence public and just show
people if you’re.

525
00:28:47,200 –> 00:28:50,700
So convinced Hunter Biden is
been involved in all this in his

526
00:28:50,700 –> 00:28:54,900
actual response was because
you’ll just spend time trying to

527
00:28:54,900 –> 00:28:57,600
discredit it and it’s like yeah
man.

528
00:28:57,900 –> 00:29:03,000
That’s What the news outlets are
supposed to do with a story like

529
00:29:03,000 –> 00:29:07,000
this and just saying that
implies that you feel like they

530
00:29:07,000 –> 00:29:10,200
will be able to discredit it
because you’re lying and it’s

531
00:29:10,200 –> 00:29:14,700
like that’s why if I can Trump
supporters that’s why No One

532
00:29:14,700 –> 00:29:17,600
Believes this shit.
I feel like it’s some time to

533
00:29:17,600 –> 00:29:19,000
show people.
You can’t.

534
00:29:19,100 –> 00:29:21,400
You know I started thinking
about this initially way when it

535
00:29:21,408 –> 00:29:24,700
was who is the weird kind of
conservative lady who also was

536
00:29:24,700 –> 00:29:28,100
like power of positive thinking.
I’m not thinking Marjorie Taylor

537
00:29:28,300 –> 00:29:32,500
It was before that she was
running in 2016 or something so

538
00:29:32,500 –> 00:29:34,900
bad with names.
This is harder, I’m a member,

539
00:29:35,100 –> 00:29:36,700
there was one who was like,
Barry.

540
00:29:37,500 –> 00:29:38,900
I’ve started to realize us to
this guy.

541
00:29:38,900 –> 00:29:41,800
Dr. Dispenza, there’s some
people on the fringes of

542
00:29:41,900 –> 00:29:46,200
conservative conspiracy theory
that almost touch on New Age

543
00:29:46,300 –> 00:29:48,600
stuff.
Lots of great secret

544
00:29:48,600 –> 00:29:52,100
manifesting, you know, Power of
Positive Thinking create your

545
00:29:52,100 –> 00:29:55,200
own reality and servants.
Love that shit.

546
00:29:55,200 –> 00:29:57,600
Yeah.
And I think that that’s part of

547
00:29:57,600 –> 00:30:02,200
the, like, Like holding to the
lie with like I think some part

548
00:30:02,200 –> 00:30:06,800
of them is like if I believe
this lie with my whole heart and

549
00:30:06,800 –> 00:30:10,800
my, the full power of my mind, I
can manifest it and make it

550
00:30:10,800 –> 00:30:14,100
real.
This isn’t the power of My Mind

551
00:30:14,200 –> 00:30:19,600
Over The Power of your reality.
Like that’s one of the scary

552
00:30:19,600 –> 00:30:22,400
things about how Trump got
elected.

553
00:30:22,400 –> 00:30:24,500
There’s a liberating power
positive.

554
00:30:24,500 –> 00:30:26,700
Think that, I mean, he kind of
did he?

555
00:30:27,200 –> 00:30:31,700
Well, not just that But there
was this guy who at one point

556
00:30:31,800 –> 00:30:37,100
had a vision that Trump was
ordained by God to be the next

557
00:30:37,100 –> 00:30:38,900
president.
And he had this Vision while

558
00:30:38,900 –> 00:30:45,500
watching Trump speak and he goes
to his therapist and tells them

559
00:30:45,500 –> 00:30:49,400
this and his therapist does not
do what a therapist is supposed

560
00:30:49,400 –> 00:30:51,900
to do.
And you know just talk him

561
00:30:51,900 –> 00:30:55,400
through these weird feelings.
Instead of therapist goes hey

562
00:30:55,400 –> 00:30:59,900
can I put you in touch with a
woman who Izes evangelicals and

563
00:30:59,900 –> 00:31:04,800
the guys like okay, sure.
And she does that, and this guy

564
00:31:04,800 –> 00:31:07,200
ends up being put in touch with
this woman.

565
00:31:07,500 –> 00:31:12,100
I don’t remember her name, but
for the next few months, this

566
00:31:12,100 –> 00:31:16,500
woman starts organizing daily
phone calls where people just

567
00:31:16,500 –> 00:31:20,300
get on the phone and pray for
Donald Trump to become

568
00:31:20,300 –> 00:31:23,200
president.
And by the end, these calls are

569
00:31:23,200 –> 00:31:29,000
like, 250,000 people, strong.
And this is all even Jela colls

570
00:31:29,100 –> 00:31:31,700
who already think?
Well if you think hard enough

571
00:31:31,800 –> 00:31:35,300
and pray hard enough, it’ll
happen and then they do this and

572
00:31:35,300 –> 00:31:39,600
fucking Trump wins.
So now they’re like see it is

573
00:31:39,600 –> 00:31:43,600
God’s plan that Trump become
president and I think that has a

574
00:31:43,600 –> 00:31:45,600
lot to do with.
I think you’re right.

575
00:31:45,600 –> 00:31:49,800
I think that is why people are
holding on to this as hard as

576
00:31:49,800 –> 00:31:53,200
they get people who like my mom
is you know, Jewish from New

577
00:31:53,200 –> 00:31:55,900
York.
We’re always liberal artist and

578
00:31:55,900 –> 00:31:57,700
she was getting into at the end
of her life.

579
00:31:57,700 –> 00:31:59,300
This guy.
Talk to dispenser, who was part

580
00:31:59,300 –> 00:32:01,200
of the reason why she didn’t
think she had cancer treatment.

581
00:32:01,200 –> 00:32:04,600
She was getting herself with a
fucking mind and they’re getting

582
00:32:04,600 –> 00:32:06,800
like, just kind of new agey
people who are never

583
00:32:06,800 –> 00:32:11,100
conservative in this backdoor
channel of like the Cuban on

584
00:32:11,100 –> 00:32:14,700
going to the power of positive
thinking and LP sort of saying

585
00:32:14,700 –> 00:32:16,500
which was kind of wild to me.
That’s why there’s like, a

586
00:32:16,500 –> 00:32:19,700
weird, you know, very, very
conservative, Trump leaning

587
00:32:20,000 –> 00:32:24,400
faction and and Los Angeles.
If you get into the like yoga

588
00:32:24,400 –> 00:32:28,000
healer, all natural whole
movement of the not, they became

589
00:32:28,200 –> 00:32:31,500
On boxers, they became.
Yeah, they get sucked into

590
00:32:31,500 –> 00:32:35,200
conspiracy that way.
There’s like an overlap which I

591
00:32:35,200 –> 00:32:37,400
found fascinating because I’m
like, no it’s not even a,

592
00:32:37,600 –> 00:32:39,400
they’re not even getting them
through the politics.

593
00:32:39,400 –> 00:32:41,100
They’re getting them.
It’s like a call.

594
00:32:41,100 –> 00:32:45,400
They get you through the
emotional pitch first, which is

595
00:32:45,400 –> 00:32:47,300
like, that’s how you get into
most Cults.

596
00:32:47,500 –> 00:32:49,600
Your mind is so powerful, we
understand.

597
00:32:49,600 –> 00:32:51,500
You’re the rest doesn’t we’re
going to change your life, we’re

598
00:32:51,500 –> 00:32:54,700
going to make everything better
and then once you’re in and you

599
00:32:54,700 –> 00:32:57,900
feel that familiar, like these
people are my friends and we’re

600
00:32:57,900 –> 00:33:01,600
all All in this team together
and then they start doing the

601
00:33:01,600 –> 00:33:05,100
crazy shit like slowly like bit
by bit and before, you know it

602
00:33:05,100 –> 00:33:07,200
you’re at a rally Championship.
Yeah.

603
00:33:07,200 –> 00:33:11,300
The universe iming the guy that
broke into Paul Pelosi’s house

604
00:33:11,400 –> 00:33:14,300
and beat him with a hammer.
Like you can just look at that

605
00:33:14,300 –> 00:33:16,600
dude until he’s done a lot of
Surfing.

606
00:33:16,700 –> 00:33:20,700
He probably reeks of Patchouli.
They were like he had a rainbow

607
00:33:20,700 –> 00:33:24,100
flag outside his house and a
black lives matter flag so he

608
00:33:24,100 –> 00:33:27,000
had to be a leftist.
It’s like, no, he doesn’t have

609
00:33:27,000 –> 00:33:29,600
to be.
I mean also the The extremist in

610
00:33:29,600 –> 00:33:32,500
the liberal party.
It’s once you’re an extremist,

611
00:33:32,500 –> 00:33:34,800
you’re more like other
extremists and you are anyone in

612
00:33:34,808 –> 00:33:37,200
the middle and the extreme is in
the liberal party that are like

613
00:33:37,300 –> 00:33:39,000
fuck those assholes that make
you sound.

614
00:33:39,000 –> 00:33:41,900
Exactly like the conservatives
being like fuck those assholes

615
00:33:41,900 –> 00:33:44,400
like you’re both just
villainizing people and not

616
00:33:44,400 –> 00:33:48,400
working on any sort of area for
compromiser Unity.

617
00:33:48,800 –> 00:33:51,500
So, yeah, you’re just the same
part of the problem.

618
00:33:51,500 –> 00:33:53,500
Like you are both assholes.
You’re all assholes.

619
00:33:53,700 –> 00:33:56,700
Stop yelling.
Yeah, that’s the main point of

620
00:33:56,708 –> 00:33:58,500
this episode.
You are all Alas.

621
00:33:58,500 –> 00:34:03,900
Yeah, honestly, shut up.
God.

622
00:34:04,700 –> 00:34:08,400
I I never really I guess I
probably heard at the time and I

623
00:34:08,400 –> 00:34:10,800
don’t know if he ever switched
his position.

624
00:34:10,800 –> 00:34:14,800
But I was surprised that Tucker
Carlson was like the only person

625
00:34:14,900 –> 00:34:18,199
on Fox News who was like, Sydney
Pals fucking crazy came out.

626
00:34:18,199 –> 00:34:19,800
Looking good.
Yeah.

627
00:34:19,900 –> 00:34:23,600
And that is a thing.
I don’t think it came out by the

628
00:34:23,600 –> 00:34:28,900
time this documentary was first
aired but we know now, That

629
00:34:28,900 –> 00:34:32,000
people within fox-like even Lou
Dobbs in the people, they

630
00:34:32,000 –> 00:34:35,400
highlight in this documentary
behind the scenes, they were all

631
00:34:35,400 –> 00:34:38,100
texting each other like man
Trump’s crazy.

632
00:34:38,199 –> 00:34:41,500
Like he obviously lost the
election but then they were

633
00:34:41,500 –> 00:34:44,000
going on the air and still
spreading.

634
00:34:44,100 –> 00:34:47,800
Well he’s I mean also like we
want to, we want to blame

635
00:34:47,800 –> 00:34:49,800
anchors, we want to hold them
responsible because they’re the

636
00:34:49,800 –> 00:34:52,800
face.
We see but yes, any actor, any

637
00:34:52,800 –> 00:34:54,400
performer, all the faces you
see?

638
00:34:54,400 –> 00:34:57,800
On camera are the lowest people
on the totem pole, people who

639
00:34:57,800 –> 00:35:00,300
put The script in front of them
and say, say that we’re all

640
00:35:00,300 –> 00:35:02,500
watching, they’re not writing
the scripts.

641
00:35:02,500 –> 00:35:05,200
Like none of them are in charge
of what they’re saying, like

642
00:35:05,200 –> 00:35:07,600
none of them are in charge of
what’s on that teleprompter,

643
00:35:07,600 –> 00:35:10,400
they’re just there to be a
puppet and smile and look nice

644
00:35:10,400 –> 00:35:14,100
and say it and Lachlan Murdoch,
even kind of says that in the

645
00:35:14,100 –> 00:35:16,300
documentary performers.
Yeah.

646
00:35:16,300 –> 00:35:20,500
They’re showing a clip of him
speaking at like some Ted Talk

647
00:35:20,500 –> 00:35:24,300
kind of thing except he’s being
interviewed and the person’s

648
00:35:24,300 –> 00:35:28,000
like do you write the stories
that Fox News puts out?

649
00:35:28,400 –> 00:35:32,500
Which is a dumb way to ask the
question for one thing and he’s

650
00:35:32,500 –> 00:35:37,000
like, no, I don’t write them.
I just work very closely with

651
00:35:37,000 –> 00:35:40,900
the managers of the various
departments where people write

652
00:35:40,900 –> 00:35:44,200
and guide the stories that they
write, it’s like, okay.

653
00:35:44,200 –> 00:35:47,200
That’s the same thing.
That is essentially the same

654
00:35:47,200 –> 00:35:49,900
thing.
It’s like, hey secretary, take

655
00:35:49,900 –> 00:35:51,700
this down and then like she
wrote it.

656
00:35:52,500 –> 00:35:55,600
Yeah.
And it speaks to why this

657
00:35:55,600 –> 00:36:00,700
lawsuit happened but also So
there’s a part in this where

658
00:36:01,000 –> 00:36:03,900
crisp the fuck’s is named style
wart.

659
00:36:04,000 –> 00:36:07,400
He’s also a right-winger at the
end of the day I’ll have names

660
00:36:07,400 –> 00:36:09,700
that sound like evil characters
in Harry Potter.

661
00:36:10,100 –> 00:36:14,800
You really do yes but Chris
Chris tire wall.

662
00:36:14,800 –> 00:36:20,700
Yeah, the guy from the decision
desk, he brings up that given

663
00:36:20,900 –> 00:36:25,600
Trump’s involvement in this
because they do talk about how

664
00:36:25,600 –> 00:36:28,000
Rupert Murdoch eventually
becomes like.

665
00:36:28,200 –> 00:36:31,700
A pipeline for Trump.
He only saw him getting on the

666
00:36:31,700 –> 00:36:35,300
back of Trumps little golf cart.
Which also feels like very beta.

667
00:36:35,300 –> 00:36:38,600
Like it’s so, because you’re
sitting on the back facing away,

668
00:36:38,600 –> 00:36:41,200
looking like a koi little girl
like on the back of a Harley

669
00:36:41,200 –> 00:36:44,600
like you didn’t get the front
seat brought just like Rupert.

670
00:36:44,600 –> 00:36:47,700
Like yeah that was almost
certainly Trump.

671
00:36:47,800 –> 00:36:50,700
Just the visual just showed you
a status wise words like you’re

672
00:36:50,700 –> 00:36:52,900
getting on the back of his golf
cart and he’s just going to take

673
00:36:52,900 –> 00:36:56,200
you on a little ride, but also
in Rupert Murdoch’s defense, the

674
00:36:56,200 –> 00:36:59,800
president of the United States,
just Flew out of the country to

675
00:36:59,800 –> 00:37:00,900
come.
Visit you.

676
00:37:01,000 –> 00:37:03,100
Yes.
And and they said to Kiss the

677
00:37:03,100 –> 00:37:04,700
Ring.
Yeah.

678
00:37:05,300 –> 00:37:08,900
So now Rupert Murdoch has all
this access to the White House

679
00:37:08,900 –> 00:37:12,600
in his like this direct pipeline
for Trump and they engage in

680
00:37:12,600 –> 00:37:16,900
this conspiracy to spread a
false narrative about the

681
00:37:16,900 –> 00:37:20,600
election in hopes of overturning
the u.s. election.

682
00:37:20,800 –> 00:37:24,700
What that Chris guy brings up is
that’s a way bigger Scandal than

683
00:37:24,800 –> 00:37:27,900
like Watergate.
This is a president taking

684
00:37:28,100 –> 00:37:33,700
Control of a fucking Us Media
Outlet to try and launch a coup.

685
00:37:33,700 –> 00:37:36,100
Basically like this is so much
bigger.

686
00:37:36,200 –> 00:37:40,000
Yeah, it’s pretty wild.
But Watergate I think in general

687
00:37:40,000 –> 00:37:44,200
we need to stop acting like that
is the Pinnacle of American

688
00:37:44,400 –> 00:37:47,900
misdeeds, like that’s like on
the list.

689
00:37:47,900 –> 00:37:52,100
The reason that we can do that,
is that by the time that

690
00:37:52,100 –> 00:37:55,200
happened, everyone kind of hated
Nixon.

691
00:37:55,200 –> 00:37:57,900
Like even conservatives, they
look great.

692
00:37:58,000 –> 00:38:02,400
A again, but they don’t love
Nixon as much because he was

693
00:38:02,400 –> 00:38:05,400
just, so, it was right at the
beginning of media to, like

694
00:38:05,400 –> 00:38:09,100
presidents weren’t as media
Savvy, and he was, he his media

695
00:38:09,100 –> 00:38:13,300
presence was not curated enough.
He was unlikable, he kind of

696
00:38:13,300 –> 00:38:16,000
burned, both sides, it was
interesting to see about how

697
00:38:16,000 –> 00:38:19,100
access change things.
I got really into Laughin at 1.5

698
00:38:19,200 –> 00:38:23,400
acquaintance which was famous
for having the like socket to me

699
00:38:23,500 –> 00:38:25,600
that kind of made Nixon’s.
And then when Nixon became

700
00:38:25,600 –> 00:38:28,900
president, they had access the
Those who run the show, we’re

701
00:38:28,900 –> 00:38:31,200
showing how they went to the
inauguration, and they started

702
00:38:31,200 –> 00:38:34,600
as this like hippie very left.
Very funny.

703
00:38:34,600 –> 00:38:37,900
I mean, winning show very
quickly became a piece where I

704
00:38:37,900 –> 00:38:40,100
had to Google stuff because it
was just a lot of sketches about

705
00:38:40,100 –> 00:38:44,500
how Spiro Agnew was a dummy.
Which is like, that’s like what

706
00:38:44,500 –> 00:38:46,700
Nixon wanted people to know
because he didn’t like his vice

707
00:38:46,700 –> 00:38:47,800
president.
No.

708
00:38:47,800 –> 00:38:49,800
Yeah.
It was I was like, what is the

709
00:38:49,800 –> 00:38:52,300
deal and it’s like oh Nixon
hated as vice president for

710
00:38:52,300 –> 00:38:54,400
arguments like that’s all
laughing does sketches on now

711
00:38:54,400 –> 00:38:56,300
which was not funny.
Did not write.

712
00:38:56,300 –> 00:38:57,900
It didn’t land.
That’s why.

713
00:38:58,000 –> 00:39:00,000
He knows the show.
Now they take a conservative

714
00:39:00,000 –> 00:39:02,400
comedy, not really that funny,
but it was like, you could tell

715
00:39:02,400 –> 00:39:05,900
they were just so over the moon
at their access to the president

716
00:39:05,900 –> 00:39:08,300
that it completely blindsided,
anything else that they were

717
00:39:08,300 –> 00:39:09,800
doing with the show.
That was good.

718
00:39:09,800 –> 00:39:12,800
And it’s like, yeah, just
getting blinded by like your

719
00:39:12,800 –> 00:39:17,500
access and your power to wear.
Nothing else matters but your

720
00:39:17,500 –> 00:39:20,700
personal experience getting to
go to the White House or

721
00:39:20,700 –> 00:39:24,100
whatever and now you’re selling
out this entire mouthpiece.

722
00:39:24,400 –> 00:39:26,400
Yeah.
And you saw it or you see it in

723
00:39:26,400 –> 00:39:30,300
this documentary with the Curse
to not just with Rupert Murdoch.

724
00:39:30,300 –> 00:39:32,700
You mentioned.
There’s the scene from the Trump

725
00:39:32,700 –> 00:39:37,300
rally, where Sean Hannity gets
to go up on stage and speak, and

726
00:39:37,300 –> 00:39:39,600
he points to the rest of the
media in the back and goes

727
00:39:39,600 –> 00:39:41,300
there, fake news.
Oh my God.

728
00:39:41,300 –> 00:39:46,200
Yeah, knowing, he’s spreading
fake news at the time, himself,

729
00:39:46,200 –> 00:39:49,200
Jeanine, Pirro gets to go up on
stage.

730
00:39:49,500 –> 00:39:52,900
She makes for a really
interesting moment in this to

731
00:39:52,900 –> 00:39:56,500
where Sarah Ferguson is outside.
The Fox News headquarters in New

732
00:39:56,500 –> 00:40:00,300
York, in Jeanine, Pirro.
Comes out and people are like

733
00:40:00,300 –> 00:40:03,800
posing for pictures and asking
for autographs and then Sarah

734
00:40:03,800 –> 00:40:07,100
Ferguson just pops in and goes
hey do you still think Dominion

735
00:40:07,100 –> 00:40:11,100
voting machines were rigged to
steal the 20/20 election and

736
00:40:11,100 –> 00:40:15,200
Jeanine Pirro, just like smiles
and walks away and doesn’t

737
00:40:15,200 –> 00:40:18,600
answer it and they try and kick
her off the property for asking

738
00:40:18,600 –> 00:40:21,900
questions when it’s in front of
a news building, right?

739
00:40:21,900 –> 00:40:25,600
She’s literally doing news
reporting as she can on public

740
00:40:25,600 –> 00:40:28,200
property, asking people
questions and they’re like What

741
00:40:28,200 –> 00:40:30,600
are you doing here?
Why are you being cooperative?

742
00:40:30,600 –> 00:40:34,000
It’s like it shows to me how
much news is entertainment.

743
00:40:34,000 –> 00:40:36,300
Now you know we’ve said that
about fox and that’s part of the

744
00:40:36,300 –> 00:40:38,900
like going for the ratings of
following the audience.

745
00:40:38,900 –> 00:40:41,500
That’s not what news does.
That’s what entertainment does.

746
00:40:41,600 –> 00:40:43,700
And these reporters like they
care more about being

747
00:40:43,700 –> 00:40:45,700
celebrities than being
reporters.

748
00:40:45,800 –> 00:40:49,600
Yeah, they don’t address this in
the documentary obviously

749
00:40:49,600 –> 00:40:54,500
because it hadn’t happened by
then but the way I ended up even

750
00:40:54,500 –> 00:40:57,800
knowing about this documentary
is I read an article about how

751
00:40:58,000 –> 00:41:00,900
Oh, the Australian
Communications and media

752
00:41:00,900 –> 00:41:03,600
Authority.
Ruled that this documentary

753
00:41:03,600 –> 00:41:09,300
breached the accuracy and fair
dealing requirements of ABC’s,

754
00:41:09,500 –> 00:41:15,100
editorial code.
And that sounds really damning

755
00:41:15,300 –> 00:41:18,500
and that’s kind of the problem
like, well because then what

756
00:41:18,500 –> 00:41:21,600
came down to three very minor
things.

757
00:41:21,600 –> 00:41:25,500
That would have been easily like
when you do a like retraction

758
00:41:25,500 –> 00:41:27,800
and Corrections the next day.
Like okay, we said this instead

759
00:41:27,800 –> 00:41:30,800
of That it was very very minor
things.

760
00:41:30,800 –> 00:41:34,800
You have the three things they
took issue with one using the

761
00:41:34,800 –> 00:41:38,200
word mob to describe the January
6th rioters.

762
00:41:38,400 –> 00:41:41,400
They said that was emotive and
strident language.

763
00:41:41,500 –> 00:41:44,800
Hey fuck you that was a mom
that’s the thing that feels

764
00:41:44,800 –> 00:41:48,100
subjective and not objective in
all of the things that were

765
00:41:48,100 –> 00:41:51,000
discussing.
They also said, ABC should have

766
00:41:51,000 –> 00:41:54,600
used a Fox News, Press release
in the documentary, but that

767
00:41:54,600 –> 00:41:57,500
press release was like three
years old at the time.

768
00:41:57,700 –> 00:42:00,400
So, Like anyone as I said press
releases, not news.

769
00:42:00,600 –> 00:42:03,500
Yeah, exactly.
And then the third thing is they

770
00:42:03,500 –> 00:42:06,500
said it was wrong to have
stopped Jeanine Pirro on the

771
00:42:06,500 –> 00:42:10,400
street and question her.
And it’s like how is that wrong?

772
00:42:10,400 –> 00:42:13,100
What is that supposed to mean?
It’s also literally what

773
00:42:13,100 –> 00:42:16,000
reporters do asking questions.
She was on public land.

774
00:42:16,800 –> 00:42:17,900
You know, she was on the
sidewalk.

775
00:42:17,900 –> 00:42:19,800
It’s public.
She didn’t like invade the

776
00:42:19,800 –> 00:42:22,200
building and, you know, come
into her office or anything.

777
00:42:22,300 –> 00:42:24,500
Yeah.
There were other people trying

778
00:42:24,500 –> 00:42:26,800
to get photos with her.
It’s not like their team

779
00:42:26,800 –> 00:42:29,100
favorite.
Kind of like, Like baseball

780
00:42:29,100 –> 00:42:32,600
rules, kind of like baseball has
all these Unwritten rules.

781
00:42:32,600 –> 00:42:37,100
Like well if it’s 30 count in
the bases are loaded, you don’t

782
00:42:37,100 –> 00:42:39,300
swing because, you know what
kind of pitch is coming.

783
00:42:39,300 –> 00:42:42,200
It’s going to be a fastball and
you just don’t swing in that

784
00:42:42,200 –> 00:42:45,100
situation and then there are
players who will swing in that

785
00:42:45,100 –> 00:42:48,200
situation and they’ll get a hit
and people will be mad at them

786
00:42:48,200 –> 00:42:50,800
and they’re like it’s not my job
to uphold.

787
00:42:50,800 –> 00:42:54,900
Your Unwritten rules.
It is my job to do my job and my

788
00:42:54,900 –> 00:42:57,600
job is to win.
Baseball games in this feels

789
00:42:57,600 –> 00:43:00,800
like Some Unwritten rule shit
where they’re like hey your

790
00:43:00,800 –> 00:43:03,800
media you know you don’t stop
other media and question them

791
00:43:03,800 –> 00:43:06,800
like that and so it’s like I
think you were rude you know.

792
00:43:07,300 –> 00:43:10,000
Yeah like otherwise I don’t know
what the complaint can be.

793
00:43:10,000 –> 00:43:12,300
It’s just her doing what she’s
supposed to do.

794
00:43:12,500 –> 00:43:16,900
It feels like somebody of power
was like you gotta make a

795
00:43:16,900 –> 00:43:19,300
statement that this isn’t good.
Somebody doesn’t like it.

796
00:43:19,500 –> 00:43:22,100
Yeah.
And you have to make some kind

797
00:43:22,100 –> 00:43:26,700
of, you know, some some writer
someone lower on the totem pole

798
00:43:26,700 –> 00:43:31,200
was told you have to Find a
reason that we can flag this as

799
00:43:31,200 –> 00:43:35,700
not being good reporting and
they went there and I go, this

800
00:43:35,700 –> 00:43:39,400
was it nice.
Well, it’s a lot like what

801
00:43:39,400 –> 00:43:44,000
happened with Gary Webb who is
the guy who broke the story

802
00:43:44,000 –> 00:43:47,200
about the CIA selling crack in
Los Angeles.

803
00:43:47,400 –> 00:43:51,500
If you look into it now, history
will tell you that the New York

804
00:43:51,500 –> 00:43:55,700
Times and the LA Times
discredited his reporting but

805
00:43:55,700 –> 00:44:00,000
what they actually did was Was
at the behest of the American

806
00:44:00,000 –> 00:44:04,100
government spent like three
months just kind of nitpicking

807
00:44:04,100 –> 00:44:08,800
the details of his story to the
point that like one of their big

808
00:44:08,800 –> 00:44:13,800
complaints was well.
He said, Rick, Ross was one of

809
00:44:13,800 –> 00:44:18,600
the biggest cocaine suppliers in
LA but there were actually

810
00:44:18,600 –> 00:44:22,500
bigger cocaine suppliers and
it’s like motherfucker that does

811
00:44:22,500 –> 00:44:24,800
not make what he’s saying not
true.

812
00:44:24,800 –> 00:44:28,200
And also think there’s we also
know that there were other Okay.

813
00:44:28,200 –> 00:44:30,400
Insofar as he doesn’t even know
about.

814
00:44:30,500 –> 00:44:32,900
We know about the bigger ones.
He didn’t even know.

815
00:44:32,900 –> 00:44:34,900
It’s like, okay.
Well you’re telling your hand

816
00:44:34,900 –> 00:44:37,500
that you have inside information
to the people, that know that

817
00:44:37,500 –> 00:44:41,700
even bigger deals but at no
point, did they ever like follow

818
00:44:41,700 –> 00:44:45,400
up on the general claim?
Which was that the CIA knew

819
00:44:45,400 –> 00:44:47,800
people were selling crack in the
United States.

820
00:44:47,800 –> 00:44:51,000
They were just like, uh, I
wasn’t as big as he said it was,

821
00:44:51,200 –> 00:44:53,300
but because it’s the New York
Times.

822
00:44:53,300 –> 00:44:57,100
And because it’s the LA Times,
people took that in just like,

823
00:44:57,100 –> 00:44:58,900
read the headline.
And we’re like, oh okay.

824
00:44:58,900 –> 00:45:02,800
So I guess that story was
bullshit and it’s very cuz that

825
00:45:02,800 –> 00:45:06,100
was the emotional message that
they were trying to sell.

826
00:45:06,100 –> 00:45:09,000
That’s when you get into the
marketing of it and it’s not

827
00:45:09,000 –> 00:45:11,700
about the details.
It’s not about the fact it’s

828
00:45:11,700 –> 00:45:14,300
about the emotional messaging
that people will get when they

829
00:45:14,300 –> 00:45:16,600
gloss it.
When they consume it without

830
00:45:16,700 –> 00:45:20,000
thinking about it farther, you
know, and being critical.

831
00:45:20,200 –> 00:45:24,100
And that was part of Sarah
Ferguson’s response.

832
00:45:24,100 –> 00:45:27,800
She ended up writing a 1200,
word response to this report.

833
00:45:28,000 –> 00:45:32,200
And here’s a quote from that in
its report responding to

834
00:45:32,200 –> 00:45:37,600
extensive complaints.
By Fox acma Says 19 times that

835
00:45:37,600 –> 00:45:42,300
ABC did not breach in partiality
or mislead the audience.

836
00:45:42,500 –> 00:45:46,700
It identified three minor
subjective breaches within our

837
00:45:46,900 –> 00:45:49,800
coverage yet.
The press release issued by a

838
00:45:49,800 –> 00:45:53,900
CMA chairperson Narita
o’laughlin and the language of

839
00:45:53,900 –> 00:45:57,700
the report create an overall
impression that our program.

840
00:45:57,900 –> 00:46:01,600
These were misleading and not
honest and she’s right.

841
00:46:01,700 –> 00:46:06,700
And I think that was the point.
They just wanted to put

842
00:46:06,700 –> 00:46:09,200
something out there to put doubt
in people’s minds.

843
00:46:09,300 –> 00:46:12,600
They know the message, they know
the feeling that they want to

844
00:46:12,607 –> 00:46:15,600
put out there.
And then you craft the story

845
00:46:15,600 –> 00:46:18,900
around that, you find the
evidence to support the message.

846
00:46:18,900 –> 00:46:22,300
You want to put out there, you
work backwards.

847
00:46:22,400 –> 00:46:26,000
That’s PR not reporting.
What’s funny about?

848
00:46:26,000 –> 00:46:27,700
This is the reason there’s a
part.

849
00:46:27,900 –> 00:46:31,000
You to this documentary.
And I was kind of confused when

850
00:46:31,000 –> 00:46:33,900
I watched part two because she
says right up front, that this

851
00:46:33,900 –> 00:46:36,200
is a thing.
We aired a long time ago and

852
00:46:36,200 –> 00:46:39,200
we’re just replaying it tonight,
but they presented as part two

853
00:46:39,200 –> 00:46:42,900
of this, the reason they did
that is because one of the other

854
00:46:42,900 –> 00:46:46,900
like minor complaints was that
they didn’t focus enough on

855
00:46:46,900 –> 00:46:51,200
social media’s role in the
January 6th riots.

856
00:46:51,300 –> 00:46:53,800
And she was like, yeah, it’s
because we did a whole episode

857
00:46:53,800 –> 00:46:59,100
about that six months ago and so
they ended up Up like tagging

858
00:46:59,100 –> 00:47:02,900
that on as part 2 after this
report comes out.

859
00:47:02,900 –> 00:47:05,200
So they were kind of like
trolling this report.

860
00:47:05,200 –> 00:47:10,500
I make that old episode part 2
of this documentary and I mean,

861
00:47:10,500 –> 00:47:12,700
it’s all the same interviews,
all the same people, so it makes

862
00:47:12,700 –> 00:47:15,200
sense.
But yeah, that’s kind of it.

863
00:47:15,200 –> 00:47:18,700
It’s an interesting watch.
Its I think the best documentary

864
00:47:18,700 –> 00:47:23,800
maybe the only documentary about
the 2020 election fraud theories

865
00:47:23,800 –> 00:47:27,800
and it was good to see it from a
different perspective.

866
00:47:27,900 –> 00:47:31,600
Dev, you know, like the
Australian view of the American

867
00:47:31,600 –> 00:47:34,300
election, not Americans, because
it is also hard for us to be

868
00:47:34,300 –> 00:47:37,200
objective about ourselves.
We all have an emotional, you

869
00:47:37,200 –> 00:47:41,200
know, horse in this race and I
just found it so fast when they

870
00:47:41,200 –> 00:47:44,200
got to like how this happened in
media, how this happened in

871
00:47:44,400 –> 00:47:46,900
journalism and they have to be
like, it was America.

872
00:47:46,900 –> 00:47:50,700
That’s why Roger went that’s why
Rupert went to America because

873
00:47:50,700 –> 00:47:53,500
it’s not like here or in Europe,
you know?

874
00:47:53,500 –> 00:47:56,500
Yeah, yeah.
We had rules in place prior to

875
00:47:56,500 –> 00:48:00,300
the mid 90s.
That would have prevented an

876
00:48:00,300 –> 00:48:03,300
outlet like Fox News from even
existing.

877
00:48:03,400 –> 00:48:10,000
It’s the same reason shows, like
extra happened and there used to

878
00:48:10,000 –> 00:48:14,300
be like standards that if your
show was aired at a certain time

879
00:48:14,300 –> 00:48:17,700
of day, there had to be like,
some sort of educational value

880
00:48:17,700 –> 00:48:21,500
to it, or it had to be.
Like, if it was news, it had to

881
00:48:21,500 –> 00:48:25,100
like help the world in some way
and we just stripped all that

882
00:48:25,100 –> 00:48:27,800
way.
I mean, Fox News happened like a

883
00:48:27,900 –> 00:48:30,400
Later, the one lying Silver
Lining.

884
00:48:30,400 –> 00:48:34,800
I try and take from from Trump
and fox and all of this is like,

885
00:48:34,800 –> 00:48:40,800
as we said, this is not actually
new practice for the CIA or

886
00:48:40,800 –> 00:48:44,300
four, you know, very subjective
for people with power to be just

887
00:48:44,300 –> 00:48:48,400
kind of using what we see is
news to actually have very very

888
00:48:48,400 –> 00:48:53,300
particular messaging out there
but it’s gotten so egregious

889
00:48:53,600 –> 00:48:55,900
that.
I mean, my only hope is that

890
00:48:55,900 –> 00:48:58,500
it’s just that they’ve gotten so
agreed to Italy.

891
00:48:58,600 –> 00:49:01,700
You know, they feel so
untouchable about it that it’s

892
00:49:02,000 –> 00:49:04,600
like, they’re getting sloppy,
you know?

893
00:49:04,600 –> 00:49:07,800
And the whole reason we can talk
about this is because they’re

894
00:49:08,000 –> 00:49:11,200
starting to overstep and get
sloppy with stuff that has been

895
00:49:11,200 –> 00:49:13,300
going on the whole time.
It doesn’t, it’s not know.

896
00:49:13,300 –> 00:49:15,700
None of these guys are smart
enough to come up with this

897
00:49:15,700 –> 00:49:20,000
Playbook there.
You know, dumb enough to fuck it

898
00:49:20,000 –> 00:49:22,700
up hopefully for the rest of
them where they’re showing their

899
00:49:22,700 –> 00:49:23,600
hands.
Yeah.

900
00:49:23,600 –> 00:49:25,900
You know that’s the only hope is
that it’s so bad now.

901
00:49:25,900 –> 00:49:27,600
People are going to be like okay
we got it.

902
00:49:28,500 –> 00:49:32,300
Got to acknowledge those know as
much as I just downplayed

903
00:49:32,300 –> 00:49:35,000
Watergate as being as huge of a
scandalous.

904
00:49:35,000 –> 00:49:37,500
People make it out to be.
We absolutely need another

905
00:49:37,500 –> 00:49:42,100
Watergate moment in this
country, like there needs to be

906
00:49:42,100 –> 00:49:47,300
that Collective outrage at
something, we find out that

907
00:49:47,300 –> 00:49:52,100
makes us want to change things.
The problem is, when we did it

908
00:49:52,100 –> 00:49:55,800
with Watergate, it resulted in
the church committee hearings,

909
00:49:56,000 –> 00:49:59,000
which is where we told the CIA,
they Not operate in the United

910
00:49:59,000 –> 00:50:02,300
States anymore.
And then the next thing we did

911
00:50:02,300 –> 00:50:07,300
was like elect the director of
the CIA as vice president and

912
00:50:07,300 –> 00:50:10,700
then the CIA just started doing
whatever they wanted all around

913
00:50:10,700 –> 00:50:14,700
the world in the 80s and 90s
instead of doing it here.

914
00:50:14,700 –> 00:50:19,700
So like our big Watergate moment
didn’t help, it didn’t really

915
00:50:19,900 –> 00:50:23,400
change anything, it just pushed
the CIA kind of in the more

916
00:50:23,400 –> 00:50:27,700
secretive parts and they’re not.
I mean CIA.

917
00:50:27,900 –> 00:50:31,300
Sitting in media is very
present.

918
00:50:31,300 –> 00:50:34,900
Like there’s lots of old, you
know, documents and stuff

919
00:50:34,900 –> 00:50:36,500
talking about.
The CIA has connection to

920
00:50:36,500 –> 00:50:39,300
Hollywood and putting out
certain types of movies that

921
00:50:39,300 –> 00:50:44,400
show soldiers and America and
very certain propaganda.

922
00:50:44,400 –> 00:50:47,500
Like, like it’s, you know, like,
you know, they’re still elements

923
00:50:47,500 –> 00:50:51,200
of, like, you don’t talk about
this, you don’t have the CIA.

924
00:50:51,300 –> 00:50:54,900
If you go on their website, they
have a Hollywood liaison

925
00:50:54,900 –> 00:51:00,100
department where that’s their
whole Job is to just consult

926
00:51:00,100 –> 00:51:04,400
with films on how they want the
CIA to look, which is why I keep

927
00:51:04,400 –> 00:51:08,100
bringing up that in 2023 of all
the movies.

928
00:51:08,100 –> 00:51:11,100
I don’t want to see anymore,
it’s a movie that makes like a

929
00:51:11,100 –> 00:51:14,700
CIA agent, look cool.
And like, he’s out there saving

930
00:51:14,800 –> 00:51:17,300
the world from terrorists.
Like, fuck you.

931
00:51:17,300 –> 00:51:20,400
That’s not what the CIA does.
Not trying to watch the guy from

932
00:51:20,400 –> 00:51:22,700
The Office.
Topple, the Venezuelan

933
00:51:22,700 –> 00:51:24,300
government.
Fuck off.

934
00:51:24,500 –> 00:51:28,200
Yeah, thanks.
And you like, we should Who’s

935
00:51:28,200 –> 00:51:31,300
really in the CIA, like see how
annoying most of these people

936
00:51:31,300 –> 00:51:33,100
are?
Yeah.

937
00:51:33,300 –> 00:51:37,000
And what you said about lazy
reporting to, that’s where like

938
00:51:37,000 –> 00:51:40,800
the media is, if you’re taking a
press release and just reporting

939
00:51:40,800 –> 00:51:44,300
it as news, you’re really kind
of setting yourself up to be

940
00:51:44,300 –> 00:51:48,300
called the enemy of the people,
because just because coming from

941
00:51:48,300 –> 00:51:50,800
an official Source, he’s still
gotta look into that.

942
00:51:50,800 –> 00:51:54,100
I mean, there’s, there’s lazy
reporters but there’s also, you

943
00:51:54,100 –> 00:51:58,300
know, pressure from the top, the
managers, the Ders.

944
00:51:58,400 –> 00:51:59,500
You know.
Yeah.

945
00:51:59,500 –> 00:52:03,000
Who control what the reporter?
Can only write so much at their

946
00:52:03,000 –> 00:52:05,000
laptop.
It’s the editors in the managers

947
00:52:05,000 –> 00:52:08,600
that decide whether it goes and
how it goes and you know, final

948
00:52:08,600 –> 00:52:12,000
say so I can also see reporters
just getting dejected and be

949
00:52:12,000 –> 00:52:15,300
like now this is just my job.
I tried I tried carrying didn’t

950
00:52:15,300 –> 00:52:16,700
work.
Yeah.

951
00:52:16,700 –> 00:52:19,100
Yeah.
And you see it with outlets in

952
00:52:19,100 –> 00:52:23,200
this country to it’s not just
like politically sensitive stuff

953
00:52:23,200 –> 00:52:26,200
that and reporters get paid like
shit like teachers.

954
00:52:26,200 –> 00:52:28,800
Yeah.
And another Thing that plays

955
00:52:28,800 –> 00:52:33,000
into media coverage in this
country is advertising money and

956
00:52:33,300 –> 00:52:35,800
the example of that at this
point, how many of these

957
00:52:35,800 –> 00:52:39,200
articles are like, put the press
release into a I feel like write

958
00:52:39,200 –> 00:52:41,700
this as a news article.
Yeah, exactly.

959
00:52:41,800 –> 00:52:44,700
And the thing with advertising
money, the example, I always

960
00:52:44,700 –> 00:52:49,800
bring up is McDonald’s pretty
early into the me to movement.

961
00:52:49,800 –> 00:52:54,700
There was a nationwide walkout.
Like there were workers in

962
00:52:55,000 –> 00:52:57,600
McDonald’s Outlets all over the
country.

963
00:52:57,900 –> 00:53:01,600
That walked out during lunch
hour to protest.

964
00:53:01,700 –> 00:53:07,900
A pervasive culture of sexual
harassment – sexual abuse at

965
00:53:07,900 –> 00:53:11,400
McDonald’s.
Almost no one reported on that

966
00:53:11,400 –> 00:53:14,200
shit.
Like that was not only the first

967
00:53:14,200 –> 00:53:18,700
American corporation that got
hit with a me to action like

968
00:53:18,700 –> 00:53:20,900
that.
They are one of the biggest

969
00:53:21,000 –> 00:53:23,800
corporations, there’s a
documentary I saw on Netflix

970
00:53:24,100 –> 00:53:26,900
something about like where the
phone call is coming from.

971
00:53:27,300 –> 00:53:29,200
Oh yeah.
You saw that the guy that

972
00:53:29,200 –> 00:53:32,000
screwed doing these prank calls,
it fast food restaurants, all

973
00:53:32,000 –> 00:53:35,800
over getting like managers to
strip-search their employees and

974
00:53:35,800 –> 00:53:40,700
like adult manager, men’s like
strip searching young teenage

975
00:53:40,700 –> 00:53:44,200
women and assaulting them and it
was an epidemic, it was

976
00:53:44,200 –> 00:53:45,400
happening all across the
country.

977
00:53:45,400 –> 00:53:48,300
Like it was like one guy,
apparently, calling people all

978
00:53:48,300 –> 00:53:50,900
over the country and the reason
it could go on.

979
00:53:50,900 –> 00:53:53,400
So long as somebody was
squashing, all the reporting and

980
00:53:53,400 –> 00:53:57,200
the news stories on it and
McDonald’s was not telling

981
00:53:57,200 –> 00:53:59,500
other.
Franchises, by the way, look out

982
00:53:59,500 –> 00:54:02,400
for this sort of behavior look
out for calls that say this,

983
00:54:02,400 –> 00:54:06,500
they just kept it quiet, which
actually made it happen to such

984
00:54:06,500 –> 00:54:09,400
a larger scale because they were
more concerned with people not

985
00:54:09,400 –> 00:54:12,100
hearing this story rather than
preventing it from happening,

986
00:54:12,200 –> 00:54:14,800
right?
And they have leverage over

987
00:54:14,800 –> 00:54:17,100
Outlets because McDonald’s spend
so much.

988
00:54:17,100 –> 00:54:19,900
I had money probably enough that
they can go to the New York

989
00:54:19,900 –> 00:54:23,600
Times and be like, hey, The
Daily Beast will report on that

990
00:54:23,600 –> 00:54:25,800
strike.
Just let them have the story and

991
00:54:25,800 –> 00:54:27,300
that’s where messaging from the
top.

992
00:54:27,300 –> 00:54:29,700
Like I do, Write the articles,
but as the top all go to the

993
00:54:29,700 –> 00:54:32,100
managers and I’m going to hey,
you know what, we don’t want to

994
00:54:32,100 –> 00:54:34,400
anyone reporting on this.
That’s not the messaging we

995
00:54:34,400 –> 00:54:37,000
want, put the brand, right?
It happens.

996
00:54:37,100 –> 00:54:42,300
And this documentary is a good
example of how the media can be

997
00:54:42,300 –> 00:54:45,200
manipulated in this country even
though it’s an Australian

998
00:54:45,200 –> 00:54:47,500
documentary, it’s about us.
Yeah.

999
00:54:47,700 –> 00:54:50,500
And it’s nice that they really
take down the like I didn’t

1000
00:54:50,500 –> 00:54:54,000
think about the murdochs.
It’s so succession but if you

1001
00:54:54,000 –> 00:54:56,100
like succession, you’ll love
this documentary.

1002
00:54:56,700 –> 00:54:59,100
Yeah.
That’s absolutely true.

1003
00:54:59,100 –> 00:55:03,200
It is very succession like, and
we’ll link to it in the show

1004
00:55:03,200 –> 00:55:04,000
notes.
It’s free.

1005
00:55:04,100 –> 00:55:07,400
You can just watch it online.
It’s two parts, they’re both

1006
00:55:07,400 –> 00:55:09,500
like 45 minutes.
It’s an easy watch.

1007
00:55:09,800 –> 00:55:15,300
And I think it’s, I think it’s
the only documentary about the

1008
00:55:15,300 –> 00:55:20,100
2020 election theories that
isn’t Pro those theories.

1009
00:55:20,400 –> 00:55:24,300
Like the other documentaries,
about this, our conspiracy

1010
00:55:24,300 –> 00:55:27,400
theory documentaries, that want
you to believe the election was

1011
00:55:27,400 –> 00:55:28,000
stolen.
One.

1012
00:55:28,100 –> 00:55:31,200
And this is a good one that goes
in the other direction.

1013
00:55:31,300 –> 00:55:33,600
Yeah, I mean, I feel like
there’s got to be like the

1014
00:55:33,600 –> 00:55:36,500
liberal tint out there, but then
it’s also just going to be like

1015
00:55:36,800 –> 00:55:38,800
how is it that these people
exist?

1016
00:55:38,800 –> 00:55:43,000
Like they tend to just like
demonize instead of investigate,

1017
00:55:43,100 –> 00:55:44,300
you know?
Yeah yeah.

1018
00:55:44,400 –> 00:55:46,900
So I think that’s our episode,
right?

1019
00:55:46,900 –> 00:55:48,800
We did it.
I feel good about it.

1020
00:55:48,800 –> 00:55:51,400
I feel like we made it.
What’s almost as long as the

1021
00:55:51,400 –> 00:55:52,900
documentary.
There you go.

1022
00:55:53,500 –> 00:55:55,100
And we gave Trump a lot less air
time.

1023
00:55:55,400 –> 00:55:58,400
Yeah, he’s like the least.
Important one.

1024
00:55:59,500 –> 00:56:01,800
Yeah he’s almost yeah.
Kind of the least important

1025
00:56:01,800 –> 00:56:04,500
person in this because like you
expect a president.

1026
00:56:04,500 –> 00:56:07,500
If a news media organization is
like Hey will be your whole

1027
00:56:07,500 –> 00:56:08,600
mouth piece.
No.

1028
00:56:08,600 –> 00:56:10,000
President’s going to say no.
Yeah.

1029
00:56:10,000 –> 00:56:11,900
They’re like Trump is what he
is.

1030
00:56:12,000 –> 00:56:14,100
That’s yeah.
We all know that there’s not

1031
00:56:14,100 –> 00:56:16,300
like how could he?
Like we all know what Trump is

1032
00:56:16,500 –> 00:56:20,600
the egregious this year is like
why did this entire news?

1033
00:56:20,800 –> 00:56:22,400
You know, conglomerate just go.
Yeah.

1034
00:56:22,400 –> 00:56:24,000
Whatever you say boss.
Yeah.

1035
00:56:24,100 –> 00:56:26,100
Yeah, it’s gross.
It’s fucking gross.

1036
00:56:26,600 –> 00:56:27,500
Samantha.
Thank you.

1037
00:56:27,700 –> 00:56:31,000
Much for doing that.
Do you have anything to plug

1038
00:56:31,000 –> 00:56:35,200
before we get out of here?
Yeah, I run a show at El Cid in

1039
00:56:35,200 –> 00:56:38,000
Los Angeles.
Now, if anyone’s around

1040
00:56:38,000 –> 00:56:42,400
Hollywood Silver Lake area on
the fourth Fridays of every

1041
00:56:42,400 –> 00:56:45,500
month.
So the next one’s June 23rd will

1042
00:56:45,500 –> 00:56:48,900
be super fun.
It’s on the patio 7:30 to 9:30.

1043
00:56:48,900 –> 00:56:52,000
I have cheerleading go-go.
Dancers drag queens.

1044
00:56:52,600 –> 00:56:56,900
Stand up comedians clowns, just
a whole variety of fun so come

1045
00:56:56,900 –> 00:56:59,100
and check it out.
It’s called Comedy, go go at

1046
00:56:59,100 –> 00:57:02,000
comedy, go go show on Instagram
and I met Sam sweets on

1047
00:57:02,000 –> 00:57:05,300
Instagram and Twitter and
wherever else I made a handle

1048
00:57:05,300 –> 00:57:09,800
and don’t update.
And I’m not only fans by the way

1049
00:57:09,800 –> 00:57:13,000
I did get somebody on only fans
complimented, how I was on a nun

1050
00:57:13,000 –> 00:57:17,900
tops episode.
So thank you, very nice changing

1051
00:57:17,900 –> 00:57:20,400
lives.
There’s so much happening with

1052
00:57:20,400 –> 00:57:25,100
the network right now.
The we changed the name, for

1053
00:57:25,100 –> 00:57:27,400
legal reasons.
Mostly, I can’t wait to see the

1054
00:57:27,700 –> 00:57:29,600
Man room.
Yeah, exactly.

1055
00:57:29,700 –> 00:57:31,300
Oh, the behind-the-scenes
wrangling.

1056
00:57:31,300 –> 00:57:33,800
It’s been nuts.
Me and my brothers have all had

1057
00:57:33,800 –> 00:57:36,100
a real falling out.
I don’t have any brothers.

1058
00:57:36,400 –> 00:57:39,800
Just follow me on Instagram for
right now at Adam Todd Brown.

1059
00:57:39,800 –> 00:57:42,300
It’s time that we did you forget
that needle out of your face?

1060
00:57:42,500 –> 00:57:46,000
Yeah, yeah.
Thank God recovery from the

1061
00:57:46,008 –> 00:57:49,400
surgery has sucked, but there’s
no needle there anymore.

1062
00:57:49,900 –> 00:57:53,500
Oh, I’m also Blue Sky.
Not to brag.

1063
00:57:53,500 –> 00:57:57,400
It’s an invite only thing, but
if you’re on Blue Sky, follow me

1064
00:57:57,400 –> 00:57:58,000
there.
There.

1065
00:57:58,100 –> 00:58:02,200
But only if you’re invited by
someone who invites you and I

1066
00:58:02,207 –> 00:58:05,400
only have one invite code.
So back off everybody.

1067
00:58:05,800 –> 00:58:09,800
Wow, I’m going to burn it in the
streets and just blue balls need

1068
00:58:09,800 –> 00:58:11,500
four blue sky.
I’m gonna have this.

1069
00:58:11,500 –> 00:58:13,900
I’m going to set up a burner
account with it.

1070
00:58:14,600 –> 00:58:17,700
It’s the second bullet.
Every invite I get, I’m going to

1071
00:58:17,700 –> 00:58:20,200
be 2/3 of Blue Sky by the time
I’m done.

1072
00:58:20,400 –> 00:58:21,600
I think that’s it.
We can get out here.

1073
00:58:21,600 –> 00:58:24,600
Right, sounds good.
Samantha say goodbye.

1074
00:58:24,800 –> 00:58:27,300
Goodbye goodbye everybody.
We love you.