Conspiracy! The Show 255: Book Club: The Keepers – An Alien Message For the Human Race

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Welcome to Conspiracy the Show,
the world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast with
your hosts Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia Haidar.
Hey everybody, welcome to a very

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special book club edition of
Conspiracy The show.

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I’m your host, Adam Todd Brown.
Who are you?

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I’m Olivia Haidar.
That makes us your hosts,

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plural.
Olivia, how’s it going?

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You know it’s going OK.
I’ve built myself a little arc

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and that has allowed me to
survive the LA weather for the

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last couple of days.
Been pretty wild between the

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hurricane and the earthquake.
It was.

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It was a bumpy weekend.
I love that now and forever.

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I get to tell people like,
especially from the Midwest, and

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shit, I get to be like.
I survived a hurricane and an

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earthquake at the same time.
And then you’re like, oh, what

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did you do?
I’ll be like, I just kept

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watching tennis.
It was pretty like it’d be like,

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few seconds into the earthquake
before me and the wife looked at

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each other like, are we having
an earthquake right now?

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Because we’re full.
You’re way farther.

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You’re you’re much further from
Ohio than I was So I definitely

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felt it Yeah it’s you could say
I survived a hurricane and the

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people go wasn’t that tropical
storm and people in LA can

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rightfully go We in LA it’s
basically the same there’s just

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the I’m sorry we’re just not
built for that much rain.

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No, we sure aren’t.
But we survived.

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We did.
We’re still here and we’re

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talking about a book, yes.
This book is called The Keepers,

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an alien message for the human
race.

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I feel like there are two
different questions here in

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terms of this book.
One.

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Yeah, is it good?
2 sure.

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Do you believe the guy?
Sure.

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I would say the third big
question is, did Jim Sparks do

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all the illustrations himself?
The illustrations are wild.

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This is going to be something we
talk about a lot in depth, but

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every time that there was an
illustration, I I had a good old

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laugh.
I had a nice time looking at

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that picture.
Yeah, like, did he have that

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mullet in real life?
Or is that just it must be

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drawing from reality?
Every OK, so every for the

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people who did not read this
book, which is hopefully goddamn

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everyone.
Don’t read this.

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Don’t spend your life.
Don’t read it and like take it

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as gospel.
But I well, that’s definitely

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true.
I found the book, at least in

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the early chapters.
He’s not a terrible writer.

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Like he’s a He’s not a terrible
writer.

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No.
He’s a very basic, right.

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He feels like a, like a normal,
like a normal person sat down

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and wrote out a book.
I think he’s a.

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Little better than that.
Like, as a writer myself, I sure

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there were there were several
lines that I respected a whole

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lot.
He actually isn’t bad with

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jokes.
But yeah, I found the book

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entertaining.
I did for a little while.

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I will say it is quite
repetitive.

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Near the end, he really starts
just kind of saying the same

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thing over.
I mean all all of the encounters

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are play out fairly similarly
with some variations.

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So yeah, I mean, you know,
obviously there if it were

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available for free anywhere,
like if it were available on any

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sort of like Libby or scribbed
sort of, you know, home library

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experience, then I would have a
lot easier time suggesting it.

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And if any of the illustrations
were online at all, I would say

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seek those out.
But unfortunately you’ll have to

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make do with our descriptions
and every single one is it

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features him from the back kind
of 3/4 angle.

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So you see his mulleted head and
the big push through Mustang

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that apparently he had.
Yeah, the illustrations are

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great.
So anyway, it starts with a

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prologue from Linda Moulton
Howe.

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Who?
Anyone who’s way into Ufo’s will

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recognize that name.
She’s been on the scene for a

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long time.
I would say a solid quarter of

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this book is written by other
people because there’s a bunch

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of, there’s a ton of stuff at
the very end that’s also

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written, yeah, by other people.
Yeah, the we do find out in the

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prologue that Jim Sparks, real
name Vincent Sparracino.

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Yes.
Which, and yeah, that is.

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Never explained why is Italian.
He says over and over again that

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he is Italian.
They I’m gonna, I’m gonna argue

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with you.
But but I mean, is that in a

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Italian thing to just go by a
different name?

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Well, no, but I mean his his
name is very Italian, is all I

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meant.
Oh no, I get that.

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I just don’t understand why he’s
using the stage name.

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It’s a synonym?
It’s to protect his identity, I

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guess, first.
Line in his book.

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It’s his real name, I know.
Yeah, that is, that is kind of

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funny.
I don’t know why you do that,

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but it’s it is very funny how
often he mentioned being

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Italian.
It’s a very Italian American

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thing to do.
Yeah, yeah, he’s, he’s super

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proud of that.
And hey, anybody who’s ever

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known an out and proud Italian
will tell you that they’ll let

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you know that they’re fucking
Italian.

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Yeah, and he sure does.
And yeah, there’s a bunch of

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like, prologue and introduction
stuff.

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Yeah, that I mean, I don’t care
about.

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You know, there is.
Now that I’m looking, I’m

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flipping through the pages
again.

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There is a picture of Jim Sparks
and he does have a mullet.

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There we go.
Very curly mullet.

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I missed the photograph.
Yeah.

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And he, in the introduction,
dives right in, says my name is

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Joe Sparks and I’ve been
contacted by extraterrestrial

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beings.
Yes.

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Did you find it?
I mean, I guess it doesn’t

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always happen in the morning,
but a lot of this, what he’s

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describing sounds so much like
sleep paralysis.

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Yes, yes, absolutely.
That was a big sleep paralysis.

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And once again, paranoid
schizophrenia rears its ugly

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head.
And I you know, I don’t want to

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just dismiss the guy out of
hand.

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But also, when you’re describing
things that sound like textbook

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examples of psychological
phenomenon, I did difficult not

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to do that a little bit.
Yeah, he even talks about during

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these abduction scenarios, like
he about how he can’t move.

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Yeah.
And it’s like, that really

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sounds like sleep paralysis,
yes?

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And we know that a lot of alien
contact type of stuff ends up

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being that, like there’s a
terrible documentary about it.

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Like we know it’s a thing, yes.
And he, over and over again in

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describing his abductions, talks
about how dreamlike they feel

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and how you know things don’t
move in a logical fashion and

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you know it.
Just there’s a lot of hints at

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what’s actually going on here.
Yeah, he also drinks a lot.

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And he also was a severe
alcoholic for several years at

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least so.
So yeah, that all.

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As I was reading this, I was
just like, I don’t know, but

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like, I’m not.
I’m not opposed to the idea that

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aliens exist.
Sure.

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Me neither, obviously.
And.

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The thing is, everything he’s
talking about, one of the things

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he always points out is, well, I
have like perfect recollection

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of everything happened to me,
and I’m the only one who has

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that perfect recollection.
And it’s like, well, that’s

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weird too then, right?
Yes, I mean a lot of this, in

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addition to just talking,
feeling like sleep process, a

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lot of it also feels like a
creative writing exercise.

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Like, you know, there’s a lot he
remembers.

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He remembers his events so
clearly that he remembers

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specifically what he is mumbling
to himself as the experiences

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are happening.
And I don’t know, that’s all

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that’s pretty accurate memory.
Yeah, that reminds me of Behold

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A Pale Horse.
Where so much of it is Bill

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Cooper being like, listen, I saw
a bunch of documents in 1965,

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and as luck would have it, I
remember every one of them word

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for word.
Like, Are you sure you remember

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every one of them word for word,
Bill?

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Yeah, I don’t know.
In Jim Sparks, Basic message

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here, at least in the beginning,
is that aliens have been here on

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Earth for thousands and
thousands of years.

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Yeah.
And that they’ve been, you know,

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following?
And tracking us the whole time

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he’s since before humans evolve
is right?

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How long?
And he seems to be a proponent

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of the What the fuck did they
call it at the Ancient Aliens

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thing?
Panspermia.

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Oh, panspermia.
Sure.

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Where?
Aliens come down and like, seed

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the planet and like make DNA
with ours.

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Yeah, yeah.
He’s he’s way into that theory.

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He’s also a subscriber to what I
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zoo theory, that aliens like we
are cattle to them and they use

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us for resources and otherwise
they don’t really care what

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happens to us.
But also they need us alive, so

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they want to keep the planet
running.

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Right.
Like you would with a farm,

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right?
And maybe, I don’t know, Sure,

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maybe.
Could be.

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Yeah, could be we probably.
Prometheus was actually a

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documentary.
It’s it’s actually real.

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The Xenomorph exists.
So he says early on in this book

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he’s been abducted by aliens so
many times that, yes, lost

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count.
Yeah, Which that’s a lot.

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That’s a yeah, that’s a that’s a
whole lot of aliens he he’s had,

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he had numerous adventures with
these extraterrestrials.

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And they the the interactions
with them are interesting.

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And yeah, also really convenient
for the story he’s telling

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because he says they never
answer questions, Right.

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Which that’s disappointing.
It is.

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I mean, like, look, that’s fine.
I I’m not necessarily expecting

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some alien intelligence to,
like, be interested in answering

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our puny mortal questions.
That’s true.

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But it does make for kind of an
unsatisfying book that is

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promising you the answers about
extraterrestrials.

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What did you think about the
abduction stories themselves?

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Uh, you know, again, they kind
of repetitive after a little

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while, but there, you know,
there’s he tells it.

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Interestingly it right.
It kind of reminds me of fire in

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the sky a little bit.
Some of it where it’s like

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they’re taking him up and
they’re like inspecting him and

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they’re giving him tests.
They they they have the language

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thing which is interesting until
I mean I don’t know man I I’m

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seeing some of these alien
letters that he’s that he’s

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presenting us and I’m like are
these alien letters or they

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squiggles.
Yeah, some of them just look

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like like the alien A just look
like an A, right?

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Yeah.
And the alien B right, was a The

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alien B was a beat, a capital B,
but without, like the back line.

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So just like curves.
The the whole time the aliens

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are teaching him this language
or this writing system, They’re

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also talking to him
telepathically, right?

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You can tell that after the
first edition of this book came

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out, he was inundated with
questions from people being like

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why did they need an alphabet if
they could just talk to you

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telepathically?
Because he addresses that at the

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end of this book, right?
Right.

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And his answer is that doing
that implanted the framework in

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him that would allow him to
communicate.

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Telepathic, right?
Yeah.

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It’s like the more he does it,
the better he gets at

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communicating mind to mind.
Right.

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I like the first abduction story
because, well, what?

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Which one?
The the one that takes place

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kind of in media res, where?
One that he like starts the book

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off with it and then circles
back to it at the end.

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Which I?
Feature is that the alien in

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question showed up wearing like
a zoot suit or something?

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Yeah, He was like, he’s
specifically described as

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dressing and talking like a 20s
mobster, basically.

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Basically, I was just picturing
Edward G Robinson kind of, you

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know, Yeah, see.
And his explanation, or his at

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least best attempt to explain
this, is, well, you know, these

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aliens.
They hop around from time to

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time, Right?
Right.

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Yeah.
Time travel and this one.

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Probably like the last time he
came to Earth. 40s and yeah, he

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thinks we’re still, we’re still
talking like that, even though

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we’ve moved on.
This picture and aliens showing

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up looking like the Fonz.
That would have been fun.

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He should have played with that
more.

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Yeah, I feel like, yeah, I
really disliked that device of

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starting with some abduction
from like 1994 or whatever and

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then getting to a dramatic spot
where he’s like they opened the

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door and what I saw was the
truth or something.

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And then jumping back to I was
born in 1963 in in Florida and

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blah blah blah and my God, shut
the fuck up man.

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What the fuck?
Just tell me what the truth was.

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That’s what I’m here for.
And yeah, the abduction stories,

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there’s a point where, all
right, I just passed one of the

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first illustrations and this
first abduction story.

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Kind of ends with him in this
man dressed as a Chicago mobster

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making a stroll on the beach.
Yes.

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They see a light coming up out
of the water, and that’s one of

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the first illustrations we get.
Yes.

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And yeah, there’s no way he
didn’t draw these himself.

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That has to be what it is,
right?

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Like, I cannot think of another
explanation for why these are

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the illustrations that you
include in your book as like

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evidence.
Yeah, and imagine if he did like

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farm that workout to someone
else and these are the he’s

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like, he came back like this.
He’s like, what the fuck man?

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I could have done this.
I’ve wanted professional art.

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This is what you think my?
Hair looks like I ever have a

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mullet.
What the fuck?

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And the mustache?
Where’d the mustache?

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He’s the artist is just like, I
don’t know, you said Florida

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guy.
So I’ve just kind of drew a

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Florida guy and with all these
aliens.

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Yeah, it’s funny to me that so
much of the early part of this

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book is him being like, all
right, well, I’m getting

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abducted by aliens a bunch here
in Texas, so.

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What I should probably do is go
to North Carolina for a bit and

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it’s like these these things are
traveling from other dimensions,

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right?
Humped by you going to rally?

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It seems like they are for a
while at least.

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They can’t figure it out.
Yeah, apparently because he

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talks about he like he operated
a business in Texas that mostly

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did business in North Carolina
for some reason.

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Yeah.
And so he was constantly flying

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from Texas to North Carolina.
I don’t know.

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I would probably just move to
where my, you know, company does

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its business.
Yeah, I.

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Think just, Yeah.
Moved to North Carolina?

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Why not?
It’s got to be better.

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Whatever.
It’s, yeah, Especially if you’re

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getting abducted by aliens all
the time in Texas.

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Yeah, I also getting you in
North Carolina.

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I also like the part where he
was trying to hide from them by.

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Checking into motel rooms.
The hell yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he said he checked into one
and requested a room with no

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windows.
I don’t think that’s real.

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I don’t think.
I don’t think that exists.

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I think you’re gonna have a hard
time with that one.

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That sounds quasi illegal, if
I’m being completely honest.

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We’re gonna give you the Dungeon
suite.

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And he describes.
These encounters as if there’s

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like a hierarchy when it comes
to these aliens.

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There’s there’s the workers and
then there’s the supervisors.

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And the supervisors are bigger
and more like he describes it as

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you can like feel their
importance, right.

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They’ve got like a psychic
pressure that they that they

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just exude whenever they’re
around.

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Right.
And then there’s.

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You know, the bullshit worker
drones who, he suspects they

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maybe even, like, make
themselves like, they just like,

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create.
Those little guys.

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Yeah, the they either are like
created or they’re like some

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sort of stunted sexist drones or
something.

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I don’t know, it’s kind of
unclear.

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And there’s two main things that
happens to him during these

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encounters.
One he is.

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Kind of forced to learn this
alien alphabet, yeah, but also

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they sometimes extract semen
from him.

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Well, yeah, they always got to
have a little semen on hand.

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They’re gonna use it to
repopulate the Earth, you know?

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Yeah, aliens love.
Yeah, they’re real cum whores.

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The semen, the the aliens.
They swallow.

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They’re real.
They don’t just swallow.

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They like, they like bukkake.
All this stolen semen all over

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themselves.
I’m gonna be honest, a lot of

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what he describes.
I mean, even the semen

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extraction to some extent, it
sounds kind of rad.

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He doesn’t.
Yeah, he talks, He has to

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constantly say over and over
again.

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I felt so terrified this entire
time because what he’s actually

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describing doesn’t really sound
that bad at all.

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Yeah, it’s just aliens.
It’s just aliens being like, all

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right, so here’s what your
letter a looks like right now.

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Here’s what ours looks like.
Draw.

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It’s like, fine, OK, sure.
That’s easy enough in there, but

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he’s.
But he’s he, you know, he’s so

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rebellious.
That’s the thing about him.

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Well, I don’t know if he knows
such a rebel spirit.

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Well, he’s Italian, he is
Italian and he don’t want to.

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You don’t want to get on their
bad side.

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Spicy Meatball Olivia.
That’s true.

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He is a spicy meatball.
Not only is he mostly just, you

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know, learning an alien alphabet
or bone in like a projection of

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a beautiful woman that’s
actually like in the collection

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box or whatever.
When he does the tests properly,

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he gets rewarded.
Like, yeah, the word lust and

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power comes up and he has to
pick one.

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Right.
Lust.

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He gets to just bone whatever
fucking projection they put in

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front of him.
Right Hour.

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They’re like, hey, you can move
that brick with your head.

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Do it.
Well, and also even before they

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give him the lust and power
option, they would, whenever he

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would like, trace the letter,
they would flood his brain with

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euphoria, which, I don’t know,
sounds kind of fun.

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I’d like to do that.
I like drugs.

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You know, that might be fun.
Yeah.

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I would love some euphoria.
Great.

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Please.
Oh, no, wait.

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Is it day involved?
I don’t know.

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I don’t want any of that.
So, he says.

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His abduction started in 1988,
but this book doesn’t come out

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for, I think, another 10 years.
I think it comes out around 98.

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Uh, yeah, around that.
Well, this is the second edition

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that we’re reading, though.
True.

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I think it, I think it came out
like in, yeah, the mid 90s and

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then this one is a little bit
later and even when he’s

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describing his very first
abduction, the one in 1988.

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Yeah, there’s a line I
highlighted.

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The one aspect that did bother
me was the temporary paralysis.

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Yeah.
Did no one.

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I mean, I guess I don’t know how
evolved our understanding of

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sleep paralysis was at this
point in history.

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Yeah.
I mean.

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I feel like doctors probably
were aware of it and probably

365
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you know, it had a little bit of
a broader understanding.

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But you know, regardless, that
would require him to talk to

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someone about it and take their
advice.

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And neither of those are things
that he is inclined to do based

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on the evidence of this book.
Yeah, he certainly doesn’t hit

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up any doctors about.
No, he does hit up multiple

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people who try to prevent
protect his home from demons.

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I mean, everyone knows you line
the outside of your house with

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eggs.
Indeed, of course I’m in Well.

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That part actually made sense
because that is like a Latin

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American like, you know, evil
spirit protection type thing and

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so like.
But it was funny that like his

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neighbor, he tells, he tells his
neighbor about the aliens and

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his neighbor’s like, OK, I
understand.

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And then he finds him like
putting eggs around his house

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and saying he’s going to protect
him from demons.

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And then like his wife calls in
some experts or something and

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comes, they come over and the
the church guy, yeah, he goes to

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the pastor and the pastor’s
like, I know exactly who.

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To talk to about this and he
brings him over and it’s some

385
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fucking demon guy who’s like,
yeah, there’s some demons all

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over this place.
He brings holy water and shit.

387
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Right.
What if it worked?

388
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You never know.
Maybe that was demons.

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His wife.
I would divorce him if I read

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this book, if I was her.
Like, yeah.

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Her role in this book is not
positive.

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I would say no, he he really, at
least the way he paints it, he

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does not get a ton of support
from that wife, even though she

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also like cops to having been
visited by aliens.

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Yeah, before.
Before the preacher comes over

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to the house.
She’s like, yeah, no, I’ve told.

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I’ve been.
I’ve been visited every day.

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00:23:53,610 –> 00:23:55,490
This happens to him multiple
times.

399
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Where?
After a while of him talking

400
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about this, someone is like, Oh
yeah, I’ve I’ve experienced that

401
00:24:01,580 –> 00:24:04,300
all the time.
That, but I just don’t care.

402
00:24:04,420 –> 00:24:07,180
Like it just doesn’t bother his
mama’s same way.

403
00:24:07,660 –> 00:24:12,050
Yeah, like, I wonder if they’re
just like, fuck, if I agree with

404
00:24:12,050 –> 00:24:13,730
him, will he stop talking about
this?

405
00:24:14,170 –> 00:24:16,490
That might be it.
That actually might be it.

406
00:24:16,530 –> 00:24:19,170
She’s like, yeah, no, I mean, I
I see it all the time.

407
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I just don’t want to talk about
it.

408
00:24:20,410 –> 00:24:22,970
It’s OK.
And then the the preacher and

409
00:24:22,970 –> 00:24:25,890
the demon guy come over and
she’s like, he is out of

410
00:24:25,890 –> 00:24:29,010
control.
He’s been drinking so much, I

411
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don’t know what he’s talking
about.

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And I’m like, holy shit this.
This is not a flattering

413
00:24:34,890 –> 00:24:39,290
portrayal of your fucking wife.
Yeah, she she definitely takes a

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turn.
And I also feel like that’s our

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first indication that he was
drinking a whole bunch.

416
00:24:44,950 –> 00:24:47,310
Yes, I don’t, although.
He’s he.

417
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He.
Says he wasn’t like at the time

418
00:24:50,230 –> 00:24:52,670
at least, but he did start
drinking heavily.

419
00:24:52,790 –> 00:24:56,390
But he’s not an alcoholic.
No, he just is, you know, he’s

420
00:24:56,390 –> 00:24:59,950
just having a hard time, man.
He just needs to let off a

421
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little steam.
I mean, what would you do if

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you’re constantly getting
abducted by aliens and forced to

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play fun alphabet games that end
with you having sex with anyone

424
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in history that you’ve ever
wanted?

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00:25:12,510 –> 00:25:15,830
Yeah, I think first what I would
do is, you know, just kind of

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enjoy that for a while exactly.
And then I would probably start

427
00:25:20,790 –> 00:25:24,870
getting, uh, high all the time.
But I get high all the time

428
00:25:24,870 –> 00:25:28,150
anyway, so all the time anyway.
Yeah, because I’m hoping it

429
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opens a portal for me to talk to
aliens.

430
00:25:31,810 –> 00:25:36,050
The wrong drug but.
If it turns out that that

431
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happens, that if you’ve been
smoking weed long enough and

432
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consistently enough but little
opens, that is what they say

433
00:25:43,530 –> 00:25:47,890
about DMT, that EMT, yeah, how
you talk to the aliens.

434
00:25:48,210 –> 00:25:51,330
Well, sure, but that’s a little
bit more of a metaphorical talk

435
00:25:51,330 –> 00:25:54,250
to talk to the higher power
experience.

436
00:25:54,450 –> 00:25:57,290
So he’s kind of an asshole to
these aliens.

437
00:25:57,820 –> 00:26:00,420
He’s kind of an asshole.
Period.

438
00:26:01,380 –> 00:26:04,300
There’s one say point.
He keeps asking them who they

439
00:26:04,300 –> 00:26:08,300
are and they finally say, well,
we’re star people and he’s like.

440
00:26:08,340 –> 00:26:10,900
First they say we’re God.
Oh, right, right.

441
00:26:11,540 –> 00:26:14,020
And then yeah, I like his
response to that.

442
00:26:14,140 –> 00:26:17,100
He’s like, all right, if you’re
God, let me choke you.

443
00:26:17,460 –> 00:26:19,780
And if I can hurt you, then
you’re not God, right?

444
00:26:19,900 –> 00:26:25,340
And they’re like shit.
Such a Florida guy response to

445
00:26:25,340 –> 00:26:29,140
that.
And so they say they’re star

446
00:26:29,140 –> 00:26:31,980
people and he’s like humans are
people.

447
00:26:31,980 –> 00:26:33,740
You can’t be people.
Try again.

448
00:26:35,500 –> 00:26:38,220
Damn, dude.
Yeah, that’s so funny.

449
00:26:38,700 –> 00:26:42,060
Like, come on man, we’ve we’ve
been having a broader definition

450
00:26:42,060 –> 00:26:45,380
for that word for a while.
Like it’s, you know, although he

451
00:26:45,380 –> 00:26:49,300
does say that he he was not a
science fiction fan before all

452
00:26:49,300 –> 00:26:53,580
this happened.
Yeah, and he also makes it makes

453
00:26:53,580 –> 00:26:57,870
a big point out of mentioning
that he didn’t read any other

454
00:26:57,870 –> 00:27:02,430
like alien abduction stories
right Or anything before this,

455
00:27:02,590 –> 00:27:06,190
because he doesn’t want to have
his memories tainted by the

456
00:27:06,190 –> 00:27:08,790
memories of someone else.
Right.

457
00:27:08,950 –> 00:27:12,190
But he does name drop.
Whitley Streiber.

458
00:27:12,390 –> 00:27:14,470
Yeah.
And which have we read?

459
00:27:14,470 –> 00:27:16,870
Have you read Communion?
Maybe that’s why I’m just kind

460
00:27:16,870 –> 00:27:19,310
of hard on this book, this
because it’s just kind of like

461
00:27:19,310 –> 00:27:22,310
shittier communion.
I have not read Communion.

462
00:27:23,040 –> 00:27:25,000
Communion is a book that I think
is.

463
00:27:25,160 –> 00:27:27,080
I mean, at least in my memory.
I haven’t read it since I was

464
00:27:27,080 –> 00:27:29,760
younger, but like, I remember it
being actually well written.

465
00:27:30,000 –> 00:27:32,520
Yeah.
And pretty engaging.

466
00:27:32,720 –> 00:27:34,760
I mean, maybe we’ll do that
next.

467
00:27:35,040 –> 00:27:38,080
Sure, it’s longer I don’t like.
That it’s a longer book?

468
00:27:39,400 –> 00:27:42,760
Yeah, this book was quite short.
This book is an easy read.

469
00:27:42,960 –> 00:27:49,130
I read it this morning
essentially like I started at

470
00:27:49,130 –> 00:27:52,850
like 8 and finished around 1:30
and now here we are recording.

471
00:27:53,050 –> 00:27:55,890
Yeah, I I read it in bits at
work.

472
00:27:56,170 –> 00:28:00,650
He’s got that famous Arthur C
Clarke quote in here, yeah.

473
00:28:00,650 –> 00:28:04,930
He he brings that up, any
sufficiently advanced technology

474
00:28:05,090 –> 00:28:08,370
will appear indistinguishable
from magic.

475
00:28:08,610 –> 00:28:13,050
Yeah, because he does talk a lot
about alien technology in this.

476
00:28:13,050 –> 00:28:16,750
That’s true.
And I do kind of agree.

477
00:28:16,750 –> 00:28:20,470
I don’t know if he makes this
exact point, but when people are

478
00:28:20,470 –> 00:28:25,910
debating aliens and, you know,
extraterrestrial beings making

479
00:28:25,910 –> 00:28:28,950
their way here and they’re like,
well, the technology doesn’t, it

480
00:28:28,950 –> 00:28:32,190
would take millions of years.
You have to take into account

481
00:28:32,190 –> 00:28:34,350
that if they’re coming here,
they have technology.

482
00:28:34,350 –> 00:28:37,980
We don’t.
Yeah, I feel like if anything,

483
00:28:38,140 –> 00:28:43,620
the supposed evidence for aliens
kind of under.

484
00:28:43,780 –> 00:28:46,420
I’ve talked about this before,
like, you know, we’re talking

485
00:28:46,420 –> 00:28:50,060
about the Roswell UFO crashing
because it got struck by

486
00:28:50,060 –> 00:28:52,980
lightning.
And I’m like, I just don’t think

487
00:28:52,980 –> 00:28:59,620
that a a craft that was capable
of traveling the distances that

488
00:28:59,820 –> 00:29:03,100
it would have had to travel
through space.

489
00:29:03,420 –> 00:29:06,100
I just don’t think that
lightning is gonna be its

490
00:29:06,100 –> 00:29:08,700
downfall.
Well, on the one hand, I

491
00:29:08,700 –> 00:29:12,420
definitely agree with that.
And I have also said a whole

492
00:29:12,420 –> 00:29:14,100
lot.
Like, why would we want

493
00:29:14,420 –> 00:29:17,260
technology that crashes all the
time?

494
00:29:17,460 –> 00:29:24,100
But it seems like the way he
describes the alien technology

495
00:29:24,180 –> 00:29:28,700
in this is that, let’s say if
you’re trying to get here from

496
00:29:28,700 –> 00:29:34,220
space, it’s not so much about
the craft you’re traveling in as

497
00:29:34,220 –> 00:29:40,180
it is like what you know about
space and like wormholes and

498
00:29:40,180 –> 00:29:42,940
shit.
Sure, like it would have to be

499
00:29:42,940 –> 00:29:45,460
something like that.
Like he describes these things

500
00:29:45,460 –> 00:29:49,540
as being able to, like, exist in
multiple dimensions at.

501
00:29:49,540 –> 00:29:52,180
Well, yeah, he could.
He goes back and forth.

502
00:29:52,180 –> 00:29:55,660
I think he finally lands on them
being from another dimension,

503
00:29:55,660 –> 00:29:59,820
but he goes back and forth over
whether they’re extraterrestrial

504
00:29:59,820 –> 00:30:04,420
aliens or extra dimensional of
beings of some kind.

505
00:30:04,910 –> 00:30:07,270
Right.
And those are those definitely

506
00:30:07,270 –> 00:30:11,310
have very different, different
implications as far as the

507
00:30:11,310 –> 00:30:15,830
technology they would need.
And yeah, I don’t know, he talks

508
00:30:15,830 –> 00:30:19,630
about them being able to like
make anything invisible that

509
00:30:19,630 –> 00:30:22,870
they want, right.
He talks about the field.

510
00:30:23,070 –> 00:30:26,270
And yes, it might be like an
electromagnetic field, but.

511
00:30:26,630 –> 00:30:28,680
He.
It’s kind of the catch all for

512
00:30:28,680 –> 00:30:32,240
him, yeah.
His claim is that these aliens

513
00:30:32,240 –> 00:30:35,840
he interacts with are able to
access this field.

514
00:30:36,040 –> 00:30:41,480
That allows them to do all sorts
of crazy shit, which I want

515
00:30:41,480 –> 00:30:44,000
access to that.
Yeah, the field.

516
00:30:44,380 –> 00:30:48,420
It makes things invisible.
It makes you able to pass

517
00:30:48,420 –> 00:30:52,780
through solid objects but still
leave footprints.

518
00:30:52,940 –> 00:30:58,740
Yeah, that was confusing.
Because he talks about how he

519
00:30:58,820 –> 00:31:02,780
what part of his evidence, not
pictured only dress me

520
00:31:02,780 –> 00:31:04,500
illustration.
Well, of course there’s an

521
00:31:04,500 –> 00:31:09,660
illustration, but are like dirty
footprints.

522
00:31:10,620 –> 00:31:14,060
Going to a wall towards his
garden and there’s a footprint

523
00:31:14,060 –> 00:31:20,260
that is half on his carpet and
half in the dirt of the garden

524
00:31:20,460 –> 00:31:25,140
and I’m like, but you’re walking
through the wall, then why are

525
00:31:25,140 –> 00:31:28,900
you able to leave any sort of
physical trace there?

526
00:31:28,900 –> 00:31:31,780
Feels like, if anything, there
should be no footprint where

527
00:31:31,780 –> 00:31:34,620
you’re walking through the wall
because you’re not making

528
00:31:34,620 –> 00:31:37,500
contact with anything.
That is a very good point.

529
00:31:38,650 –> 00:31:43,530
But maybe it maybe it’s so
precise that it is just

530
00:31:43,770 –> 00:31:48,130
affecting your interaction with
the wall and not anything else.

531
00:31:48,810 –> 00:31:52,610
And I don’t know, maybe you can
answer this question for me

532
00:31:52,770 –> 00:31:56,170
because I’m not sure.
Did we have cameras in 1988?

533
00:31:57,570 –> 00:31:59,770
Yeah, I could have taken a
picture of those because he

534
00:31:59,770 –> 00:32:03,810
goes, prints, get someone.
This is where the demon guy

535
00:32:03,810 –> 00:32:05,770
shows up, because he goes, yes,
demon guy.

536
00:32:05,770 –> 00:32:08,520
And it’s like, look at these
fucking footprints, guys.

537
00:32:08,520 –> 00:32:11,440
Like, I know just what to do.
And that’s when he shows up with

538
00:32:11,520 –> 00:32:16,760
eggs and holy water.
So, like, where’s the pictures?

539
00:32:16,960 –> 00:32:21,000
It’s like the same problem I
have with ancient aliens and

540
00:32:21,000 –> 00:32:24,520
Chariots of the Gods, where
there’s so many parts in that

541
00:32:24,520 –> 00:32:28,680
book where Eric Von Daniken is
like, you won’t believe what we

542
00:32:28,680 –> 00:32:31,660
saw in this chamber.
Yeah, it’s right over.

543
00:32:32,100 –> 00:32:33,340
Believe it, because you didn’t
take a.

544
00:32:33,500 –> 00:32:36,380
Picture the alien evidence is
here too.

545
00:32:36,380 –> 00:32:38,460
It’s just out of frame laughing,
you know?

546
00:32:38,460 –> 00:32:42,340
It’s that that Nathan for You
picture their number system is

547
00:32:42,340 –> 00:32:45,380
based on the six, Olivia.
Of course, yeah.

548
00:32:45,540 –> 00:32:48,940
But it’s not hexadecimal, it’s
some other.

549
00:32:48,940 –> 00:32:52,700
It’s just they count to 6 and
then they start.

550
00:32:52,990 –> 00:32:55,350
Over from the beginning.
It doesn’t really make sense.

551
00:32:55,590 –> 00:32:58,590
I don’t think he quite
understands how base numerals

552
00:32:58,750 –> 00:33:02,550
work because they don’t seem to
understand the concept of a

553
00:33:02,550 –> 00:33:07,590
number greater than six, which
I’m gonna say that’s gonna fuck

554
00:33:07,590 –> 00:33:11,870
up your ability to, like, travel
great distances across space

555
00:33:12,270 –> 00:33:14,350
because it’s a lot higher than
six.

556
00:33:16,350 –> 00:33:19,330
That’s true.
I did like the part where he’s

557
00:33:19,330 –> 00:33:24,410
doing all these his his lessons.
And the way it works is they’ll

558
00:33:24,410 –> 00:33:28,730
flash like a word on the screen,
like there’s this, like a screen

559
00:33:28,730 –> 00:33:30,290
system.
There’s a screen in front of him

560
00:33:30,330 –> 00:33:32,170
and like a tablet that he can
like.

561
00:33:32,170 –> 00:33:35,890
Yeah, he’s got some sort of on.
Yeah, like an entertainment

562
00:33:35,890 –> 00:33:38,970
table from like, a restaurant.
Yeah, like one of those Miss

563
00:33:38,970 –> 00:33:40,930
Pac-Man tables, that.
Exactly.

564
00:33:41,130 –> 00:33:45,690
That’s exactly, 100% what I was
picturing What he’s talking

565
00:33:45,690 –> 00:33:49,900
about this and along those same
lines, at one point when he’s

566
00:33:49,900 –> 00:33:55,180
doing all of these fun games,
the aliens go compete.

567
00:33:55,340 –> 00:33:57,100
He’s like compete.
What do you mean?

568
00:33:57,300 –> 00:33:59,860
And he looks over and his wife
is next to him.

569
00:33:59,860 –> 00:34:02,820
Now, yes, he’s also doing the
letters.

570
00:34:03,140 –> 00:34:04,420
I like that part.
That was fun.

571
00:34:04,660 –> 00:34:06,500
It was fun.
And that’s what leads to him

572
00:34:06,500 –> 00:34:09,580
confronting her.
And yeah, it was, it was

573
00:34:09,580 –> 00:34:12,020
interesting.
I was not expecting the wife to

574
00:34:12,020 –> 00:34:16,900
like come into it in that way.
And then he like kidnaps her in

575
00:34:16,900 –> 00:34:20,980
the middle of the night because
he doesn’t want to go to the

576
00:34:20,980 –> 00:34:23,940
alien school.
And they when they talk about

577
00:34:23,940 –> 00:34:26,020
it, she calls them her helpers
from heaven.

578
00:34:26,179 –> 00:34:28,860
Right.
Yeah, they they’re like angels

579
00:34:28,860 –> 00:34:32,400
to her, right?
Which is also what his mom kind

580
00:34:32,400 –> 00:34:34,000
of implies.
Right.

581
00:34:34,080 –> 00:34:37,400
They both seem to have a much
chiller relationship to the

582
00:34:37,400 –> 00:34:40,600
aliens than he does, right?
Despite his mom also being

583
00:34:40,600 –> 00:34:41,520
Italian.
Crazy.

584
00:34:41,760 –> 00:34:42,679
Right.
Exactly.

585
00:34:42,679 –> 00:34:46,560
You’d think his mom would have
that famous Italian spunk.

586
00:34:47,320 –> 00:34:49,239
Maybe.
Maybe he’s just Italian on his

587
00:34:49,239 –> 00:34:52,159
dad’s side.
So yeah, he he talks to his wife

588
00:34:52,159 –> 00:34:56,840
about it and a pastor ends up
coming over and he’s like, it’s

589
00:34:56,840 –> 00:34:58,560
demons, dude.
It’s just DS.

590
00:34:58,960 –> 00:35:02,080
And that’s when, yeah, his wife
really lets him down.

591
00:35:02,240 –> 00:35:04,440
She comes in the room and it’s
like, I don’t know what this

592
00:35:04,440 –> 00:35:07,120
crazy bitch is talking about.
And that’s what he said.

593
00:35:07,200 –> 00:35:08,840
That’s what she says.
It’s weird.

594
00:35:09,080 –> 00:35:10,200
Yeah.
Yeah, it’s nuts.

595
00:35:10,440 –> 00:35:14,080
So one of the things, yeah, you
mentioned him like kidnapping

596
00:35:14,080 –> 00:35:15,560
his wife in the middle of the
night.

597
00:35:15,760 –> 00:35:21,200
At one point he starts trying to
like, run away when these yes

598
00:35:21,200 –> 00:35:23,550
things happen.
And it’s like, you got to know

599
00:35:23,630 –> 00:35:25,670
we’re playing a different game
than that.

600
00:35:27,190 –> 00:35:29,110
Like, this isn’t a fucking
hurricane.

601
00:35:29,230 –> 00:35:31,870
Like, you can’t just, like, go
somewhere else and take shelter.

602
00:35:31,870 –> 00:35:34,990
These are aliens, dude.
Right, Alien doesn’t work.

603
00:35:35,150 –> 00:35:38,350
Aliens that he’s already
acknowledged have been following

604
00:35:38,350 –> 00:35:41,830
his family bloodline for like
1000 years.

605
00:35:41,830 –> 00:35:45,510
Which anytime a conspiracy book
says the word bloodline, I’m

606
00:35:45,510 –> 00:35:47,550
like, uh oh.
Weird.

607
00:35:48,790 –> 00:35:51,230
Yeah, no, the that is my
favorite part.

608
00:35:51,600 –> 00:35:59,800
Of the book is when they they
show him like images of himself

609
00:36:00,160 –> 00:36:03,600
in the place of his ancestors.
Like a quantum leap type thing.

610
00:36:03,600 –> 00:36:06,360
Yes.
And so, like, and then we get

611
00:36:06,360 –> 00:36:09,680
illustrations from all of these
different time periods of like,

612
00:36:09,840 –> 00:36:13,540
oh, here’s.
Here’s mulleted Jim Sparks.

613
00:36:13,980 –> 00:36:16,820
Uh, in the 40s.
Here’s molded Jim Sparks in the

614
00:36:16,820 –> 00:36:19,700
Renaissance.
Here he’s wearing a floppy hat,

615
00:36:19,820 –> 00:36:22,500
but he still has a mullet and
the mustache, You know.

616
00:36:22,540 –> 00:36:25,300
Got that mullet?
And then it goes all the way.

617
00:36:25,300 –> 00:36:27,900
It doesn’t go back thousands.
It goes all the way back again

618
00:36:27,900 –> 00:36:30,860
to before.
Like it shows him like some

619
00:36:30,860 –> 00:36:32,780
monkeys.
And they’re like, these are your

620
00:36:33,380 –> 00:36:36,970
ancestors And he’s like,
bullshit.

621
00:36:37,330 –> 00:36:39,490
It’s like dude.
Believe in evolution.

622
00:36:39,690 –> 00:36:42,010
Like, if they can even show you
that, just believe it.

623
00:36:42,010 –> 00:36:45,050
Right, like my question, You
know, I don’t know, man.

624
00:36:45,050 –> 00:36:46,730
How is that so difficult to
believe?

625
00:36:46,730 –> 00:36:48,850
Why else are they picking your a
seed ass?

626
00:36:49,290 –> 00:36:52,170
Like it doesn’t make any sense.
Otherwise they didn’t know that

627
00:36:52,170 –> 00:36:56,010
you would turn into the tip.
Stereotypical Florida man.

628
00:36:57,210 –> 00:37:00,810
Yeah, one of their challenges.
He shows up and there’s an Ant

629
00:37:01,010 –> 00:37:02,490
on the table.
Yes.

630
00:37:02,490 –> 00:37:04,530
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, and they show him a

631
00:37:04,530 –> 00:37:07,550
symbol.
And at first it just says kill,

632
00:37:07,790 –> 00:37:09,110
right?
He’s like, kill what?

633
00:37:09,150 –> 00:37:12,150
And they’re like, dude, we
obviously mean the fucking Ant

634
00:37:12,390 –> 00:37:15,670
on the table in front of you.
And they’re like, just draw the

635
00:37:15,670 –> 00:37:18,070
symbol to kill the Ant, please.
Right.

636
00:37:18,310 –> 00:37:22,910
And he makes this like bold
moral stance of like, I will not

637
00:37:23,230 –> 00:37:25,430
kill for you.
Sir.

638
00:37:25,590 –> 00:37:28,710
Yeah, like I would have just
fucking slapped it with my hand.

639
00:37:28,710 –> 00:37:31,630
I mean, yeah, that’s kind of
what I was expecting to happen.

640
00:37:32,070 –> 00:37:35,870
Draw a symbol like oh.
We don’t need here on Earth.

641
00:37:35,990 –> 00:37:38,590
We don’t need symbols to kill
ants.

642
00:37:38,790 –> 00:37:41,910
Yeah, who’s the evolved one?
He does talk about them having

643
00:37:42,030 –> 00:37:46,350
big stupid meaty ass hands that
they probably can’t do anything

644
00:37:46,350 –> 00:37:49,030
with, right?
He’s like, but it’s fine, all of

645
00:37:49,030 –> 00:37:52,670
their all of their equipment
runs on telepathy.

646
00:37:52,990 –> 00:37:56,900
It’s like, who built it right?
The drones, I think.

647
00:37:56,900 –> 00:38:00,500
What did their hands look like?
But they were just testing him

648
00:38:00,500 –> 00:38:02,820
with the Ant thing to make sure
he’s not a killer.

649
00:38:03,140 –> 00:38:05,740
Right, right.
Like you aren’t.

650
00:38:07,580 –> 00:38:18,980
Well, OK, sure, Yeah.
That’s how you know it happened

651
00:38:18,980 –> 00:38:20,860
because that would have been a
better.

652
00:38:09,220 –> 00:38:10,660
Here’s how you improve this
book.

653
00:38:10,740 –> 00:38:15,820
He kills one of them.
Right in that moment, it’s like,

654
00:38:15,820 –> 00:38:23,060
Oh no, snap a neck.
Story choice, yeah.

655
00:38:23,300 –> 00:38:25,980
And so he starts getting like
people.

656
00:38:26,100 –> 00:38:29,860
He’s trying to talk to people
about this, and no one’s really

657
00:38:29,860 –> 00:38:31,900
buying it.
His wife is like sort of

658
00:38:31,900 –> 00:38:34,980
supportive, but also it seems
like they just sort of stopped

659
00:38:34,980 –> 00:38:38,220
living together eventually.
Yeah, he spent a lot of his time

660
00:38:38,220 –> 00:38:41,860
in North Carolina.
Yeah, now they he talks about,

661
00:38:41,860 –> 00:38:44,980
he doesn’t get into it, but he
talks about later how like they

662
00:38:44,980 –> 00:38:47,780
kind of become estranged and
then reconnect.

663
00:38:48,230 –> 00:38:54,750
Later on.
Now I had a really problematic

664
00:38:54,870 –> 00:38:59,030
point in this book.
Not problematic, but there’s

665
00:38:59,030 –> 00:39:02,710
that part where he goes to a
meeting with a bunch of other

666
00:39:02,710 –> 00:39:05,230
people who have all been
abducted.

667
00:39:05,470 –> 00:39:10,710
And for some reason my version
of the book, it just like, it’s

668
00:39:10,710 –> 00:39:14,390
got to be like a glitch or
something, but it just like

669
00:39:15,340 –> 00:39:17,940
skips all past.
Like he’s just all of a sudden

670
00:39:17,940 –> 00:39:20,180
at the meeting.
Yeah, what meeting are we

671
00:39:20,180 –> 00:39:22,740
talking about?
Yeah, I ran into a couple of

672
00:39:22,740 –> 00:39:26,020
things like that.
I I do think it is.

673
00:39:26,100 –> 00:39:31,860
It’s either a really
unprofessional editing job by

674
00:39:31,900 –> 00:39:33,500
the publisher.
There’s death.

675
00:39:33,500 –> 00:39:36,940
Or that.
Or it’s some sort of e-book

676
00:39:36,940 –> 00:39:40,430
printing error maybe?
Yeah, but again, I don’t have a

677
00:39:40,430 –> 00:39:43,110
physical copy to like, compare
it to.

678
00:39:43,350 –> 00:39:46,150
And I’m not going to seek it out
because it’s $30.00.

679
00:39:46,630 –> 00:39:49,470
And if I’m going to spend $30.00
on the book, it’s going to be

680
00:39:49,470 –> 00:39:53,470
about like some old boat or or
like a monster or something.

681
00:39:53,470 –> 00:39:55,830
Like, it’s not going to be about
this.

682
00:39:56,070 –> 00:39:59,670
And the thing about that
meeting, it doesn’t, it doesn’t

683
00:39:59,670 –> 00:40:01,230
matter.
Like, he doesn’t.

684
00:40:01,470 –> 00:40:03,910
He doesn’t really talk about it.
He just, like, talks about,

685
00:40:04,510 –> 00:40:06,470
yeah, I found a meeting where I
could talk to other people

686
00:40:06,470 –> 00:40:07,880
who’ve been abducted.
Right.

687
00:40:08,000 –> 00:40:10,160
It’s like move on or something.
Yeah.

688
00:40:10,360 –> 00:40:14,840
And so he talked about the
letter H being his big problem

689
00:40:14,840 –> 00:40:17,760
letter.
Yeah, he can’t even reproduce it

690
00:40:17,760 –> 00:40:19,480
in the book.
It’s so tough.

691
00:40:19,600 –> 00:40:23,160
It got more Pearly Q.
This is the point in the book

692
00:40:23,160 –> 00:40:26,560
where he just straight up asked
the aliens.

693
00:40:26,720 –> 00:40:30,400
So like if if you can just like
travel the universe like this,

694
00:40:30,680 –> 00:40:33,600
can you just take me with you?
And they’re like, yeah.

695
00:40:34,020 –> 00:40:35,500
Yeah.
And he goes, will you bring me

696
00:40:35,500 –> 00:40:38,060
back?
And they’re like, no no of.

697
00:40:38,180 –> 00:40:40,380
Course not.
You just come with us.

698
00:40:40,620 –> 00:40:43,340
And you know what I would say?
I would say yes.

699
00:40:44,540 –> 00:40:47,620
Yes, please take me away from
here.

700
00:40:47,900 –> 00:40:51,490
I think that has happened
because Jim Sparks is gone.

701
00:40:51,650 –> 00:40:55,610
If it has, then God bless him.
His website no longer exists.

702
00:40:55,610 –> 00:41:00,490
He is not a voice in the UFO
community anymore, because a lot

703
00:41:00,490 –> 00:41:03,890
of what he talks about is the
same shit Stephen Greer is

704
00:41:03,890 –> 00:41:07,930
talking about now.
Yeah, but from a very way.

705
00:41:07,930 –> 00:41:13,580
Less exploitative angle.
I prefer Jim Sparks’s version to

706
00:41:14,020 –> 00:41:15,620
Greer’s.
Oh, for sure.

707
00:41:15,620 –> 00:41:18,700
But all I’m getting at is where
is Jim Sparks?

708
00:41:19,060 –> 00:41:21,220
Sure.
He for the longest time was like

709
00:41:21,220 –> 00:41:25,060
the leading voice when it comes
to the idea that the government

710
00:41:25,300 –> 00:41:29,100
is suppressing alien technology
that could fix global warming.

711
00:41:29,140 –> 00:41:33,020
Like, it seems like that message
started with him.

712
00:41:33,500 –> 00:41:37,580
Now, like if he died, I can’t
find anything about him dying.

713
00:41:37,820 –> 00:41:43,860
Like, no, he just around 2013.
Just falls off the face of the

714
00:41:43,860 –> 00:41:46,260
Internet.
Have you searched for and?

715
00:41:46,260 –> 00:41:49,580
I haven’t, so I can’t
corroborate Vincent, uh,

716
00:41:50,220 –> 00:41:53,860
whatever Italian his name is.
I did that right before we,

717
00:41:54,180 –> 00:41:56,980
yeah.
And there’s some out there, but

718
00:41:57,140 –> 00:41:58,860
not sure.
Like Jim Sparks.

719
00:41:59,060 –> 00:42:03,420
No, no.
Well, it’s mustaches Can’t get

720
00:42:03,420 –> 00:42:05,740
over how good these pictures
are.

721
00:42:05,940 –> 00:42:08,660
They are the absolute highlight
of the book.

722
00:42:09,060 –> 00:42:11,060
Yeah, every single one is
awesome.

723
00:42:11,180 –> 00:42:12,980
It’s worth it for the
illustrations.

724
00:42:13,380 –> 00:42:16,700
It’s they’re they’re all, so we
should probably we should like

725
00:42:16,900 –> 00:42:20,180
scan some and include them in
the episode notes or something.

726
00:42:20,260 –> 00:42:25,580
So people, because like you
really, we can’t convey the

727
00:42:25,660 –> 00:42:31,860
energy of these illustrations.
They’re so good, yeah.

728
00:42:32,100 –> 00:42:34,140
It looks like King of the Hill a
little bit.

729
00:42:34,780 –> 00:42:36,820
A little bit.
A little bit.

730
00:42:36,820 –> 00:42:40,500
It’s kind of like the gang meets
Aliens and King of the Hill.

731
00:42:40,500 –> 00:42:43,860
It’s so good.
I tell you, my absolute favorite

732
00:42:43,860 –> 00:42:51,140
part of this book is the chapter
called The Gift MM where they.

733
00:42:51,690 –> 00:42:55,330
Bring him in a room and to,
like, thank him for his service

734
00:42:55,330 –> 00:42:57,530
or whatever.
They’re like, hey, right, we got

735
00:42:57,530 –> 00:42:58,650
you a gift.
Here it is.

736
00:42:58,810 –> 00:43:03,210
And it’s just this black box,
right, That at first he can’t

737
00:43:03,210 –> 00:43:05,130
figure out how to open.
No.

738
00:43:07,490 –> 00:43:09,610
Well, he finally gets it open,
right?

739
00:43:05,130 –> 00:43:06,850
But it stinks.
It smells.

740
00:43:09,900 –> 00:43:12,020
And he’s like, the smell was
terrible.

741
00:43:12,180 –> 00:43:15,260
There were these, like, tubes
full of liquid in there.

742
00:43:15,260 –> 00:43:18,580
And then there was this, like,
thick, dark liquid at the bottom

743
00:43:18,780 –> 00:43:21,980
that, yeah, really stunk.
And I asked him what it was.

744
00:43:21,980 –> 00:43:24,780
And they were like, oh, we
pulled that out of your lungs.

745
00:43:25,060 –> 00:43:28,140
You’re welcome.
And he, he said he was a smoker

746
00:43:28,140 –> 00:43:30,940
at the time.
Yeah, that’s fun.

747
00:43:30,940 –> 00:43:33,180
I like that.
That’s a fun thing for the

748
00:43:33,180 –> 00:43:37,860
aliens to do with their, like,
human examination technologies,

749
00:43:37,860 –> 00:43:41,660
you know?
But it’s also kind of a conflict

750
00:43:41,900 –> 00:43:45,860
because he also kind of makes
them out to be like, not.

751
00:43:46,270 –> 00:43:50,310
Dumb, but just like, not
understanding of how, like,

752
00:43:50,430 –> 00:43:52,950
sympathy and compassion work,
right?

753
00:43:53,110 –> 00:43:56,310
But also, they’re like, Oh well,
we’re gonna fix your lung cancer

754
00:43:56,310 –> 00:43:58,550
though.
Well, I, yeah, I well, I mean,

755
00:43:58,550 –> 00:44:02,590
but again, I don’t think it’s I
I I think it’s not sympathy or

756
00:44:02,590 –> 00:44:06,280
compassion in that moment.
It’s a gift like they’re saying,

757
00:44:06,280 –> 00:44:09,640
like it’s like, well, we’ve been
doing this for so long, we might

758
00:44:09,640 –> 00:44:11,160
as well give you a little
something back.

759
00:44:11,160 –> 00:44:14,520
So here here’s all of the tar
out of your lungs that you’ve

760
00:44:14,520 –> 00:44:18,080
been pumping into there.
We probably should stop doing

761
00:44:18,080 –> 00:44:20,240
that.
I love all of the seamen

762
00:44:20,240 –> 00:44:23,120
extraction scenes.
So weird.

763
00:44:23,480 –> 00:44:27,600
That’s just one of those things
that every alien abduction story

764
00:44:27,600 –> 00:44:30,440
is kind of obsessed with.
But also like.

765
00:44:31,060 –> 00:44:34,140
They can do all of this advanced
shit, but they still can’t get

766
00:44:34,140 –> 00:44:35,940
semen out of a person without
jerking or not.

767
00:44:37,940 –> 00:44:40,100
Well, they can, but they like to
do it.

768
00:44:40,340 –> 00:44:42,460
They can.
They talk about it.

769
00:44:42,660 –> 00:44:46,700
We we could do it artificially
or we can do it naturally, he

770
00:44:46,700 –> 00:44:50,020
said.
They say and naturally means you

771
00:44:50,020 –> 00:44:57,130
fuck this like porta pussy that
has a hologram of a of a naked

772
00:44:57,130 –> 00:45:00,810
lady on it.
And that’s natural.

773
00:45:00,890 –> 00:45:03,130
And then artificial is they’ve
got the wand.

774
00:45:03,170 –> 00:45:06,330
But it does prompt Jim at one
point to shout.

775
00:45:06,330 –> 00:45:12,010
This is not natural, which is
fair.

776
00:45:12,920 –> 00:45:16,120
I would say that’s fair.
I’d say natural was the wrong

777
00:45:16,120 –> 00:45:18,160
word choice for them.
Probably.

778
00:45:18,280 –> 00:45:20,040
Probably.
Uh yeah.

779
00:45:20,040 –> 00:45:23,880
The rod, like electrically
stimulates his prostate or

780
00:45:23,880 –> 00:45:26,920
something.
Yeah, he’s just like, jizzes in

781
00:45:26,920 –> 00:45:28,920
five seconds.
Exactly.

782
00:45:30,200 –> 00:45:35,440
So fucking weird.
So I also love the part where

783
00:45:35,440 –> 00:45:39,200
whenever he’s being unruly, the
aliens will sometimes just try

784
00:45:39,200 –> 00:45:42,080
morphing into cops.
Yeah, like that.

785
00:45:42,080 –> 00:45:45,320
Seems more like police or like
military officers and stuff.

786
00:45:45,560 –> 00:45:48,720
Because they’re like, well,
these idiots respect cops.

787
00:45:48,840 –> 00:45:51,440
So, right, these are the
authority figures on this plane

788
00:45:51,440 –> 00:45:53,880
that.
If we turn into cops who he’s

789
00:45:53,880 –> 00:45:55,560
going to be afraid, we’ll arrest
him.

790
00:45:55,800 –> 00:46:00,480
That’s why this man from bed and
taking him on a spaceship.

791
00:46:00,880 –> 00:46:02,440
Yeah, but he doesn’t want to go
to.

792
00:46:02,480 –> 00:46:05,040
But that’s nothing compared to
American prisons.

793
00:46:05,560 –> 00:46:08,680
Yeah, it’s nothing he wants to
get a ticket over, that’s for

794
00:46:08,680 –> 00:46:13,750
sure.
So he keeps asking them at one

795
00:46:13,750 –> 00:46:15,990
point, like, why me?
Why me?

796
00:46:15,990 –> 00:46:17,390
Right.
They’re not answering him.

797
00:46:17,390 –> 00:46:19,830
They’re not answering him.
And eventually they’re like, all

798
00:46:19,830 –> 00:46:22,070
right, ask your question the way
we taught you.

799
00:46:22,270 –> 00:46:24,670
Like, write it in our symbols.
And then yes.

800
00:46:25,390 –> 00:46:29,630
And so he finally does that.
And they answer him by way of

801
00:46:29,630 –> 00:46:33,070
showing him something you
already described.

802
00:46:33,230 –> 00:46:36,350
They show him all these scenes
throughout history, right?

803
00:46:36,640 –> 00:46:40,320
And there are people who look
just like him in each of these

804
00:46:40,320 –> 00:46:44,120
scenes.
One of them, it’s World War 2.

805
00:46:44,320 –> 00:46:47,480
And he’s attacked.
He’s like, so that’s a bad look.

806
00:46:48,920 –> 00:46:51,160
That was that was a very, very
funny.

807
00:46:51,320 –> 00:46:53,680
The first thing he sees is him
hanging out with a bunch of

808
00:46:53,680 –> 00:46:57,430
Nazis.
Like, OK buddy, I probably would

809
00:46:57,430 –> 00:46:58,870
have left this part of the story
out.

810
00:46:59,310 –> 00:47:01,590
Yeah.
What’s that say about the the

811
00:47:01,630 –> 00:47:05,310
aliens like that always that’s
that’s that’s long been a

812
00:47:05,310 –> 00:47:08,830
question of mine like do the
aliens agree with the Nazis

813
00:47:08,830 –> 00:47:11,430
because it does.
Like, I hear so many stories

814
00:47:11,430 –> 00:47:14,270
about the Nazis having alien
technology.

815
00:47:14,270 –> 00:47:17,800
That was like, to them.
It’s like maybe.

816
00:47:18,120 –> 00:47:21,520
Aliens hate Jews, too.
Oh yeah, aliens are white

817
00:47:21,520 –> 00:47:24,040
supremacists.
They’re the they’re the whites

818
00:47:24,160 –> 00:47:28,680
of their species.
Could be, but also, this doesn’t

819
00:47:28,680 –> 00:47:31,600
explain why they picked him,
they just show him a bunch of

820
00:47:31,600 –> 00:47:34,000
his ancestors throughout
history.

821
00:47:34,160 –> 00:47:37,720
Well, it’s I think the point is,
I mean I’m giving this guy so

822
00:47:37,720 –> 00:47:39,600
much benefit of the doubt, but
whatever.

823
00:47:40,050 –> 00:47:44,410
I think the point of that
sequence is we didn’t pick you,

824
00:47:44,690 –> 00:47:49,050
we picked this monkey and you
are the latest version right, of

825
00:47:49,050 –> 00:47:51,290
this monkey.
I think that’s literally it.

826
00:47:51,490 –> 00:47:56,290
I think it’s just, you know, we
we got here and you guys were

827
00:47:56,290 –> 00:48:00,610
hanging out in the Savannah and
we’re like, we’ll tag and bag

828
00:48:00,610 –> 00:48:04,450
this monkey.
And then over the millennia it

829
00:48:04,450 –> 00:48:09,280
evolved into you, Jim Sparks.
To which he says bullshit.

830
00:48:09,600 –> 00:48:11,920
You guys were trying to tell me
that you had something to do

831
00:48:11,920 –> 00:48:14,440
with human evolution.
And yeah, like that’s what

832
00:48:14,440 –> 00:48:17,400
they’re trying to say.
And yeah, basically, I don’t

833
00:48:17,400 –> 00:48:18,960
know.
Like I said, like a lot of

834
00:48:18,960 –> 00:48:22,280
these, they do start to blend
into each other.

835
00:48:22,680 –> 00:48:26,800
I kind of.
I know he meets his his weird

836
00:48:27,160 –> 00:48:29,920
fake daughter at one point.
Yeah.

837
00:48:30,620 –> 00:48:34,980
But before that, at the end of
this encounter, where they show

838
00:48:35,020 –> 00:48:40,620
Jim that he was a fascist during
World War 2 at the end.

839
00:48:40,900 –> 00:48:43,380
And I found this part weird,
just because this doesn’t sound

840
00:48:43,380 –> 00:48:46,940
like how aliens would talk.
But they tell him we’ve been

841
00:48:46,940 –> 00:48:48,980
around for a while, right?
This.

842
00:48:49,220 –> 00:48:51,740
I don’t think aliens would say,
you know, we’ve been here for a

843
00:48:51,740 –> 00:48:54,100
while a little bit, right?
Like what?

844
00:48:54,100 –> 00:48:57,740
Maybe that’s just how his brain
is interpreting their telepathic

845
00:48:57,740 –> 00:48:59,860
signals.
We’ve been working on your

846
00:48:59,860 –> 00:49:02,540
personal family line.
We know you well.

847
00:49:02,820 –> 00:49:04,980
Humans are ours.
Yeah, sure.

848
00:49:04,980 –> 00:49:07,660
I don’t like that.
Yeah, they’re not very tactful,

849
00:49:07,900 –> 00:49:11,060
these aliens.
And yeah, it’s around chapter 12

850
00:49:11,060 –> 00:49:14,500
where he starts talking about
drinking as much as he was, but

851
00:49:14,500 –> 00:49:17,780
then he says he he’s sobered up
and quit drinking.

852
00:49:18,340 –> 00:49:19,180
Right.
Damn.

853
00:49:19,180 –> 00:49:21,940
A lot of that happened while he
was really hitting the bottle.

854
00:49:22,140 –> 00:49:25,660
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, I just don’t think we

855
00:49:25,660 –> 00:49:27,220
can.
Like, I don’t know that we can.

856
00:49:27,300 –> 00:49:31,140
We’ll have the time to breakdown
every single thing that happened

857
00:49:31,140 –> 00:49:34,340
because there is a there’s like
there’s just a bunch of very

858
00:49:34,340 –> 00:49:37,980
similar abduction incidents
happened that he describes over

859
00:49:37,980 –> 00:49:40,420
and over again.
Not just that, but there’s a

860
00:49:40,420 –> 00:49:43,460
point where he’s like, well,
there were more abductions, but

861
00:49:43,460 –> 00:49:45,460
I’m not gonna bore you with the
details.

862
00:49:45,540 –> 00:49:48,700
And then it’s like 10 more
chapters that are just more

863
00:49:48,700 –> 00:49:54,700
stories about him being abducted
by aliens and that never, they

864
00:49:54,700 –> 00:49:59,260
never, like, get back to the
same initial, like you are as

865
00:49:59,260 –> 00:50:02,740
shocked as you’re gonna be by
this story, by the first story

866
00:50:02,820 –> 00:50:05,100
you know?
Yeah, and it’s kind of

867
00:50:05,100 –> 00:50:07,460
diminishing returns with every
other one.

868
00:50:07,700 –> 00:50:12,000
I also.
I am really suspicious whenever

869
00:50:12,000 –> 00:50:15,880
a book like this or a
documentary talks about being

870
00:50:15,880 –> 00:50:19,160
visited by the government and
being threatened by the go.

871
00:50:19,160 –> 00:50:21,440
Oh yeah, we haven’t talked about
the men in black at all.

872
00:50:21,720 –> 00:50:24,400
Because there’s, yeah, there’s a
pair of men in black, one of

873
00:50:24,400 –> 00:50:27,160
them who drives a white van,
which that was interesting.

874
00:50:28,450 –> 00:50:32,090
But they basically show up and
they’re like Jim, if that is

875
00:50:32,090 –> 00:50:34,770
your real name.
Uh, you got to stop talking

876
00:50:34,770 –> 00:50:37,410
about this stuff the way you are
or you know, yeah.

877
00:50:37,730 –> 00:50:40,170
We’ll fucking kill you.
And now here, and this is the

878
00:50:40,170 –> 00:50:42,690
book, right?
He’s writing the book.

879
00:50:42,970 –> 00:50:46,730
And also like at that point that
he’s getting followed by the Men

880
00:50:46,730 –> 00:50:49,010
in Black.
He’s talked to like three

881
00:50:49,010 –> 00:50:51,170
people, none of whom believed
him.

882
00:50:51,410 –> 00:50:56,450
So I just don’t know why he is
now considered such a threat to

883
00:50:56,450 –> 00:51:00,120
the government or whoever the
men in black are that they’re

884
00:51:00,120 –> 00:51:03,240
gonna seek him out about it.
I just don’t like.

885
00:51:03,240 –> 00:51:07,000
You’re kind of making yourself a
little too important there, Jim.

886
00:51:07,160 –> 00:51:08,000
Yeah.
Yeah.

887
00:51:08,000 –> 00:51:12,080
At that point, they really
didn’t have any reason to track

888
00:51:12,560 –> 00:51:13,920
Jim down.
No.

889
00:51:14,160 –> 00:51:16,680
Like, unless they’re just
literally tracking everybody, in

890
00:51:16,680 –> 00:51:18,600
which case that’s a lot of
manpower.

891
00:51:20,560 –> 00:51:23,840
I like that he had a little
graduation ceremony from from

892
00:51:23,840 –> 00:51:25,120
here.
Oh, yeah, that was funny.

893
00:51:25,240 –> 00:51:27,040
Yeah.
Like they gave him a.

894
00:51:27,500 –> 00:51:30,820
Cat like a cap, right?
Little tassels on it.

895
00:51:30,980 –> 00:51:35,860
They all had like noisemakers.
Yeah, there’s, this is the

896
00:51:35,860 –> 00:51:38,620
quote, the abductions continued.
I won’t bore you.

897
00:51:38,780 –> 00:51:41,380
They got to be routine.
But around this time, something

898
00:51:41,380 –> 00:51:43,980
else happened of note, and I’m
pretty sure that something else

899
00:51:43,980 –> 00:51:46,700
is also like another alien.
It’s another abduction, or it’s

900
00:51:46,700 –> 00:51:48,220
like the men in black following
him.

901
00:51:48,340 –> 00:51:50,060
Yeah.
There’s the scene where he sees

902
00:51:50,060 –> 00:51:51,620
the Phoenix.
Sure.

903
00:51:51,780 –> 00:51:54,180
There’s the scene, Speaking of
the men in black, where he goes

904
00:51:54,180 –> 00:51:55,420
to the FBI.
Yes.

905
00:51:57,390 –> 00:52:00,230
And then he, like, he talks to a
guy from the FBI who’s like,

906
00:52:00,230 –> 00:52:03,110
yeah, you know, well, we’ll,
we’ll look into it, whatever.

907
00:52:03,390 –> 00:52:08,350
And then as he walks out, they
see the men and black guys in

908
00:52:08,350 –> 00:52:11,670
their car and the FBI guy, like
waves to him.

909
00:52:14,350 –> 00:52:17,510
And was Jim in that moment not
like, oh, hey, who are they?

910
00:52:18,110 –> 00:52:22,730
Like, I know he he was too
stunned to to ask a question and

911
00:52:22,770 –> 00:52:26,770
he just knew that he he was
going to be ignored more.

912
00:52:27,050 –> 00:52:29,250
Yeah, yeah, that.
You show him a phoenix, They

913
00:52:29,250 –> 00:52:33,650
show him his fake daughter.
Yeah, I’m at the illustration of

914
00:52:33,650 –> 00:52:36,930
his daughter right now.
And Oh yeah, that’s a weird one.

915
00:52:37,210 –> 00:52:39,330
Yeah, she’s a fucking weirdo.
I don’t like it.

916
00:52:39,370 –> 00:52:42,170
She’s a fucking freak.
I would not claim that as my

917
00:52:42,170 –> 00:52:44,210
child’s.
Oh wait, maybe he didn’t do

918
00:52:44,210 –> 00:52:46,490
these illustrations, cuz this
one is signed.

919
00:52:46,490 –> 00:52:51,200
It says Galante at the bottom.
Whoa, I didn’t notice that.

920
00:52:51,440 –> 00:52:55,200
And we know that’s not her name
because the caption under it is

921
00:52:55,320 –> 00:52:57,920
my nameless daughter, right?
Yeah.

922
00:52:58,800 –> 00:53:02,200
So, Galante, this is a Galante
original.

923
00:53:04,840 –> 00:53:08,240
I like it.
OK, well if he paid money for

924
00:53:08,240 –> 00:53:12,760
these, then he got ripped off as
much as I like them.

925
00:53:12,960 –> 00:53:16,680
And so you mentioned that this
book gets a little repetitive.

926
00:53:16,990 –> 00:53:21,910
Yes, it definitely starts
repetitive, like he really drags

927
00:53:21,910 –> 00:53:27,630
out those alien encounters and
then he gets to the part where

928
00:53:27,830 –> 00:53:33,030
he really gets to his message
and the sure alien message for

929
00:53:33,030 –> 00:53:35,870
the human race.
I mean, it’s basically in the

930
00:53:35,870 –> 00:53:39,390
final chapters of the book
because the last couple chapters

931
00:53:39,390 –> 00:53:43,190
are all other people talking
about how great Jim Sparks it’s.

932
00:53:43,750 –> 00:53:46,350
Yes.
Yeah, there’s a there’s a crazy

933
00:53:46,350 –> 00:53:49,230
ass like mass abduction thing
that happened.

934
00:53:49,230 –> 00:53:50,790
Oh yeah, that was weird.
Yeah.

935
00:53:50,990 –> 00:53:54,750
Where he’s like put in charge of
calming everyone else down, Like

936
00:53:54,750 –> 00:53:58,390
the aliens are like recruiting
him as help now.

937
00:53:58,590 –> 00:54:01,390
Yeah.
Again, I don’t know why he’s the

938
00:54:01,390 –> 00:54:04,900
one tasked with all this with
his mullet, but.

939
00:54:05,860 –> 00:54:08,020
It’s just either.
Yeah, that’s true.

940
00:54:08,020 –> 00:54:10,900
That is true.
And it’s around the time of that

941
00:54:10,900 –> 00:54:16,040
mass abduction where he gets to.
The alien message for Earth,

942
00:54:16,200 –> 00:54:18,560
which is you are killing your
planet.

943
00:54:18,680 –> 00:54:22,160
Your planet is dying.
Hey, stop it.

944
00:54:22,560 –> 00:54:25,640
And like facts, that’s true,
yeah.

945
00:54:25,720 –> 00:54:30,000
But I still don’t.
There’s a lot of this that just

946
00:54:30,000 –> 00:54:33,920
doesn’t add up for me.
Yeah, especially the time travel

947
00:54:33,920 –> 00:54:34,800
part.
Right?

948
00:54:34,800 –> 00:54:39,480
Because he near the end of this
book starts really beating us

949
00:54:39,480 –> 00:54:43,960
over the head with how important
it is to take better care of the

950
00:54:43,960 –> 00:54:46,640
environment.
Or the world is going to

951
00:54:46,640 –> 00:54:49,680
essentially end.
But then he’s also like, you

952
00:54:49,680 –> 00:54:53,040
know, we just have waves and
waves of people from like 30,000

953
00:54:53,040 –> 00:54:55,160
years in the future coming back
and visiting us.

954
00:54:55,360 –> 00:54:57,960
And it’s like, so we figure it
out then.

955
00:54:58,160 –> 00:55:00,040
Is that what?
Yeah, that like.

956
00:55:00,240 –> 00:55:05,670
Yeah, clearly humanity did it.
Yeah, I’m travelers coming back

957
00:55:05,830 –> 00:55:08,790
30,000 years is quite far in the
future.

958
00:55:08,870 –> 00:55:10,990
Yeah.
If, if it’s if that is still

959
00:55:10,990 –> 00:55:15,430
before the climate catastrophe
is going to destroy us because

960
00:55:15,430 –> 00:55:18,390
we are bad to our planet, then I
feel like that’s actually a

961
00:55:18,390 –> 00:55:21,310
pretty good run and we could
probably figure things out by

962
00:55:21,310 –> 00:55:23,550
then.
Yeah, yeah, that’s not bad.

963
00:55:23,670 –> 00:55:25,660
That is not bad.
At all.

964
00:55:25,820 –> 00:55:30,580
And yeah, that that’s the point
where this book really started

965
00:55:30,820 –> 00:55:35,540
to kind of drag for me.
Because every chapter at the end

966
00:55:35,700 –> 00:55:39,060
is just some variation of him
being like, we have to save the

967
00:55:39,060 –> 00:55:42,100
planet, right?
The only responsible thing you

968
00:55:42,100 –> 00:55:45,300
can do is start buying land in
the Amazon rainforest.

969
00:55:45,500 –> 00:55:48,980
Yeah, it feels like Jim Sparks
was really impacted by Captain

970
00:55:48,980 –> 00:55:52,310
Planet.
It just really, it changed his

971
00:55:52,310 –> 00:55:55,710
whole world view and now he
wants to advocate for the

972
00:55:55,710 –> 00:55:57,950
climate and look and I’m making
fun.

973
00:55:58,310 –> 00:56:04,190
But legitimately that is a
perfectly noble thing for you to

974
00:56:04,190 –> 00:56:06,990
make your alien abduction book
about.

975
00:56:07,150 –> 00:56:10,270
And I agree.
And obviously, like, the climate

976
00:56:10,270 –> 00:56:14,310
is hugely important and we need
to take care of it and we are

977
00:56:14,310 –> 00:56:17,390
fucking it up.
Do I take aliens Give a shit?

978
00:56:17,470 –> 00:56:22,340
Like, I don’t think aliens care,
but I do think obviously that’s

979
00:56:22,340 –> 00:56:25,100
good to talk about.
Yeah, like the message is

980
00:56:25,220 –> 00:56:28,220
perfectly fine.
Like you need to take better

981
00:56:28,220 –> 00:56:32,820
care of the planet.
It’s just that I don’t, I don’t

982
00:56:32,820 –> 00:56:36,140
know, like so much of what he’s
saying, even though he’s like,

983
00:56:36,300 –> 00:56:41,660
well, it’s not like I I don’t
read any other accounts of this

984
00:56:41,660 –> 00:56:44,980
stuff because I don’t want it.
Sure cloud my description, but

985
00:56:44,980 –> 00:56:46,740
also a lot of what he’s
describing.

986
00:56:47,240 –> 00:56:49,840
Was in like Behold A Pale Horse
and shit like that.

987
00:56:49,840 –> 00:56:53,560
Like this idea that we met with
aliens and made some kind of

988
00:56:53,560 –> 00:56:58,400
agreement that we have since
violated, like that predates Jim

989
00:56:58,400 –> 00:57:01,480
Sparks.
Like, for all of his talk about

990
00:57:01,600 –> 00:57:05,400
not being influenced by anything
else, like, right, That does.

991
00:57:05,440 –> 00:57:08,200
I mean, that’s in the day the
erst is still, yeah, like that’s

992
00:57:08,200 –> 00:57:11,360
basically what that is.
One of the things I found.

993
00:57:11,620 –> 00:57:16,620
Interesting that I don’t think
I’ve heard in any other book

994
00:57:16,620 –> 00:57:19,940
like this or anyone else who
talks about this idea that the

995
00:57:19,940 –> 00:57:22,700
government has suppressed
technology that would.

996
00:57:23,130 –> 00:57:27,490
And global warming.
He is adamant that we need an

997
00:57:27,530 –> 00:57:30,250
amnesty program, as are the
aliens.

998
00:57:30,250 –> 00:57:34,330
They are adamant that there
needs to be an amnesty program.

999
00:57:34,330 –> 00:57:38,090
So all of these government
officials who’ve been hiding

1000
00:57:38,090 –> 00:57:43,130
this stuff can come forward and
give it to us without fear of,

1001
00:57:43,290 –> 00:57:46,170
you know, being charged with
crimes against humanity for

1002
00:57:46,170 –> 00:57:49,010
letting so many people die.
And you know what?

1003
00:57:49,010 –> 00:57:50,370
Sure.
Yeah, why not?

1004
00:57:50,960 –> 00:57:52,360
I’ll get.
I’ll get on board with that.

1005
00:57:52,400 –> 00:57:54,280
Yeah.
Amnesty for everybody.

1006
00:57:54,280 –> 00:57:59,000
Hiding alien technology?
And, like, he is right that if

1007
00:57:59,000 –> 00:58:02,360
that were the case, saving the
planet is probably the bigger

1008
00:58:02,360 –> 00:58:07,560
concern over, like Nuremberg
trialing a bunch of people who

1009
00:58:08,080 –> 00:58:11,920
hid alien propulsion tech in the
back of the Pentagon, Right.

1010
00:58:12,280 –> 00:58:14,240
I don’t know that the Pentagon
has a back.

1011
00:58:14,280 –> 00:58:16,520
That’s not how shapes like the
Pentagon work.

1012
00:58:16,520 –> 00:58:20,080
But yeah, there’s he’s got all
these quotes about how.

1013
00:58:20,660 –> 00:58:23,980
So basically the aliens made
this agreement with the

1014
00:58:23,980 –> 00:58:27,380
government, gave us all this
technology that was supposed to

1015
00:58:27,380 –> 00:58:29,940
fix global warming, and we just
used it for war.

1016
00:58:30,220 –> 00:58:35,100
Yes, now we’re kind of screwed.
And now that does sound like us.

1017
00:58:35,620 –> 00:58:39,820
That is a very human thing.
Yeah, he kind of got us with

1018
00:58:39,820 –> 00:58:43,820
that one.
And this part comes up in the

1019
00:58:43,860 –> 00:58:48,860
episode we just did about those
UFO hearings and the question of

1020
00:58:48,860 –> 00:58:53,500
whether a letter from aliens was
read during those UFO hearings.

1021
00:58:53,820 –> 00:58:55,700
Sure.
It was read during a different

1022
00:58:55,700 –> 00:58:59,060
UFO hearing, but the letter
comes from this book.

1023
00:58:59,370 –> 00:59:02,210
And here is.
I won’t read all of it, although

1024
00:59:02,210 –> 00:59:04,930
the print is very big, it’s very
long.

1025
00:59:05,090 –> 00:59:08,010
Your air, your water are
contaminated.

1026
00:59:08,090 –> 00:59:11,250
Your forest, jungles, trees and
plant life are dying.

1027
00:59:11,650 –> 00:59:13,810
There are several breaks in your
food chain.

1028
00:59:13,970 –> 00:59:16,970
You have an overwhelming amount
of nuclear and biological

1029
00:59:16,970 –> 00:59:20,730
weapons, which include nuclear
and biological contamination.

1030
00:59:20,970 –> 00:59:23,960
Your planet.
Is over populated.

1031
00:59:24,080 –> 00:59:27,600
That part I agree with.
And if I could just make a list

1032
00:59:27,920 –> 00:59:31,280
of the people I think we could
do without, Oh sure, Yeah,

1033
00:59:31,600 –> 00:59:34,360
that’s never gone wrong before.
I think that’s a good idea.

1034
00:59:35,160 –> 00:59:37,800
Exactly.
It always always a good idea to

1035
00:59:37,800 –> 00:59:41,480
make lists of undesirables like
that.

1036
00:59:41,480 –> 00:59:44,320
Works out well every time.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m

1037
00:59:44,320 –> 00:59:46,280
saying, Olivia.
I’m glad we’re on the page.

1038
00:59:46,560 –> 00:59:50,520
And yeah, that once he gets to
that point, there’s still.

1039
00:59:51,210 –> 00:59:54,170
Good. 60-70 pages left in the
book, Yes.

1040
00:59:54,210 –> 00:59:59,010
And wow, he just really hits on
that point over.

1041
00:59:59,130 –> 01:00:02,010
Yes, over he does.
And then like I said, it’s a

1042
01:00:02,210 –> 01:00:05,890
like a good 40 pages of that is
people being like this Jim

1043
01:00:05,890 –> 01:00:08,210
Sparks guy.
He’s unbelievable.

1044
01:00:08,210 –> 01:00:10,210
There’s never been a guy like
this before.

1045
01:00:10,370 –> 01:00:12,770
He’s the biggest man whoever
lived.

1046
01:00:13,290 –> 01:00:18,250
And that is like the last
several pages of this book.

1047
01:00:18,890 –> 01:00:21,250
And I did not read that.
I I’m not gonna lie.

1048
01:00:21,410 –> 01:00:23,850
I’m sorry.
Once I realized the end was just

1049
01:00:23,850 –> 01:00:25,850
other people, I skipped a lot of
that.

1050
01:00:25,850 –> 01:00:30,690
Yeah, shit, there’s like a
supposedly an academic paper

1051
01:00:30,690 –> 01:00:35,050
studying the alien language
samples.

1052
01:00:35,410 –> 01:00:38,490
I’m like, OK, what everybody?
Yeah, and one of the first lines

1053
01:00:38,490 –> 01:00:41,690
in that is something like
compared to other Alien

1054
01:00:41,690 –> 01:00:43,850
writings.
And it’s like, OK, what?

1055
01:00:43,850 –> 01:00:48,010
Yeah, well, he’s it’s also like,
you know, when you look at them,

1056
01:00:48,010 –> 01:00:51,490
it does appear like they are
very human in nature and could

1057
01:00:51,490 –> 01:00:53,130
have easily been made by a
human.

1058
01:00:53,130 –> 01:00:54,130
And I’m like, yeah, you’re
right.

1059
01:00:54,130 –> 01:00:56,770
That is the feeling that I get
when I look at them.

1060
01:00:57,370 –> 01:00:59,370
They do look like they were made
by people.

1061
01:00:59,530 –> 01:01:03,810
He does finally describe what
these aliens look like because

1062
01:01:03,810 –> 01:01:08,930
they’d yes, do this thing where
they can like image project and

1063
01:01:08,930 –> 01:01:11,850
just kind of, he calls it screen
imaging, which is a very

1064
01:01:11,850 –> 01:01:15,210
specific term.
And I found really funny like

1065
01:01:15,210 –> 01:01:17,780
that, just it’s not really what
that term means.

1066
01:01:18,180 –> 01:01:20,340
This is what he describes them
as.

1067
01:01:20,500 –> 01:01:23,460
They were big, all right.
Their upper bodies look like

1068
01:01:23,460 –> 01:01:26,820
football linebackers.
As the light became brighter and

1069
01:01:26,820 –> 01:01:30,580
the details clearer, beer and
shock did course through me like

1070
01:01:30,580 –> 01:01:33,660
lightning.
They had scales and their faces

1071
01:01:33,660 –> 01:01:36,940
were sort of snake like or
lizard like nothing at all like

1072
01:01:36,940 –> 01:01:39,960
the smaller aliens.
So we’re talking reptilians now

1073
01:01:39,960 –> 01:01:44,360
and right?
But can I say that has the best

1074
01:01:44,600 –> 01:01:49,840
illustration?
Yes, because for one thing, in

1075
01:01:49,840 –> 01:01:53,720
the illustration, the thing just
has like a normal ass face, but

1076
01:01:53,720 –> 01:01:57,400
it’s like, but it’s like on the
end of a stalk.

1077
01:01:58,430 –> 01:02:01,270
It’s funny.
It’s so bizarre.

1078
01:02:01,630 –> 01:02:05,110
It’s like the face is like
pushed forward.

1079
01:02:05,110 –> 01:02:08,550
It’s so weird.
And the look on Jim Sparks face

1080
01:02:08,630 –> 01:02:12,390
in This is great too.
No, he definitely farmed this

1081
01:02:12,390 –> 01:02:15,150
out because this one is also
signed by Galante.

1082
01:02:15,350 –> 01:02:17,550
God.
Maybe he’s galante though.

1083
01:02:17,950 –> 01:02:21,990
Imagine drawing this and being
like, yeah, hell this is perfect

1084
01:02:21,990 –> 01:02:25,470
for publication.
I’m putting my name on it.

1085
01:02:27,370 –> 01:02:32,290
And yeah, the chapter I think I
found most interesting at the

1086
01:02:32,330 –> 01:02:37,410
end is, oh, come on, yeah,
Chapter 22, it’s called What I

1087
01:02:37,410 –> 01:02:38,610
Have Learned.
Yeah.

1088
01:02:38,610 –> 01:02:43,890
And he just like, runs through
all of this different, like all

1089
01:02:43,890 –> 01:02:48,330
the different abilities these
aliens have, like dimensional

1090
01:02:48,330 –> 01:02:53,050
blending, alien healings.
And there’s a.

1091
01:02:53,990 –> 01:02:58,190
A fun moment where he gets like
a chest infection and the aliens

1092
01:02:58,470 –> 01:03:00,270
show up and cure it for some
reason.

1093
01:03:00,430 –> 01:03:02,470
It’s like why they’re just
they’re Bros.

1094
01:03:04,750 –> 01:03:07,190
Is this where the black
helicopters thing came from?

1095
01:03:07,470 –> 01:03:10,150
No, black helicopters predate
this.

1096
01:03:10,670 –> 01:03:13,550
Yes, this book talks about
X-Files and the black

1097
01:03:13,550 –> 01:03:15,470
helicopters are part of X-Files
also.

1098
01:03:15,830 –> 01:03:20,750
Sure, because he does X-Files.
Is a is a kind of a catch all

1099
01:03:20,790 –> 01:03:26,880
bin for 90s conspiracy thinking.
Barack Obama, I think one of the

1100
01:03:27,200 –> 01:03:30,120
best things he did when he was
in office or like my favorite

1101
01:03:30,120 –> 01:03:33,560
thing he did when he was in
office, yeah, was that time

1102
01:03:33,560 –> 01:03:36,280
someone asked him about the
black helicopters and if they

1103
01:03:36,280 –> 01:03:42,840
exist and he just goes, yeah,
but not for that, like, all

1104
01:03:42,840 –> 01:03:47,380
right, Like that.
I mean, yes, well, probably.

1105
01:03:47,380 –> 01:03:50,340
Killing Americans.
Drones that you assassinate

1106
01:03:50,340 –> 01:03:52,740
American citizens with?
Exactly.

1107
01:03:52,740 –> 01:03:56,260
Like, you know, it’s probably
for some nefarious military

1108
01:03:56,260 –> 01:03:57,780
purpose.
Absolutely.

1109
01:03:58,060 –> 01:04:01,460
It’s like it’s not aliens.
We’re just killing people.

1110
01:04:01,700 –> 01:04:05,060
But yeah, he Jim Sparks, in this
book claims the black

1111
01:04:05,060 –> 01:04:07,100
helicopters.
They respond.

1112
01:04:07,100 –> 01:04:12,060
Whenever someone’s been abducted
by aliens, there’s this residue,

1113
01:04:12,100 –> 01:04:16,180
like their energy sticks with
you and it goes out into the

1114
01:04:16,180 –> 01:04:18,020
atmosphere.
And he’s like the black

1115
01:04:18,020 –> 01:04:23,580
helicopters are tracking that
down and cool, cool, whatever

1116
01:04:23,580 –> 01:04:28,660
you say, buddy.
And yeah, like, by the end it

1117
01:04:28,660 –> 01:04:30,740
really turns into a save the
planet.

1118
01:04:30,740 –> 01:04:35,100
Stop eating beef kind of thing
and listen Jim, fucking love a

1119
01:04:35,100 –> 01:04:37,620
burger.
Yeah, like, look, I want to save

1120
01:04:37,620 –> 01:04:40,820
the planet.
And if if the end of beef

1121
01:04:40,820 –> 01:04:46,060
production, like, happens as a
means of, say, of making that

1122
01:04:46,060 –> 01:04:48,700
happen, then I’ll grin and bear
it.

1123
01:04:48,780 –> 01:04:52,060
But in the meantime, when, if
there’s beef available, I’m

1124
01:04:52,060 –> 01:04:54,140
gonna fucking eat it.
I’m sorry, I like beef.

1125
01:04:54,300 –> 01:04:56,580
Yeah, I’m gonna eat a steak.
Tell you that much Cow.

1126
01:04:57,020 –> 01:04:59,500
Cow is the tastiest animal there
is.

1127
01:04:59,500 –> 01:05:03,660
There’s just no two ways about
it. 100% the best animal.

1128
01:05:04,020 –> 01:05:05,540
Yeah, it’s probably just the
best animal.

1129
01:05:05,800 –> 01:05:10,480
Yeah, yeah, He talks about alien
human hybrids, all that shit.

1130
01:05:10,520 –> 01:05:12,320
Like all the hits.
Yeah.

1131
01:05:12,320 –> 01:05:15,920
We’re I mean I again like we’re
not we’re not gonna we we can’t

1132
01:05:16,080 –> 01:05:19,560
hit everything because it’s a
it’s a fucking book.

1133
01:05:20,080 –> 01:05:24,720
But like, you know, the he
definitely he touches on all of

1134
01:05:24,720 –> 01:05:29,880
the big alien hallmarks.
So to summarize, should people

1135
01:05:29,880 –> 01:05:33,100
read this book?
I mean, I really don’t think

1136
01:05:33,100 –> 01:05:36,820
that it’s necessary.
You’ve seen most of this

1137
01:05:37,140 –> 01:05:41,220
somewhere else if you want.
If you have a means, The thing

1138
01:05:41,220 –> 01:05:44,340
is that it you basically can
only read it by spending money

1139
01:05:44,340 –> 01:05:46,580
on it, and I can’t recommend
that.

1140
01:05:46,740 –> 01:05:50,300
Yeah, if you if you found it at
your local library, it is

1141
01:05:50,300 –> 01:05:52,180
available.
Like, I know, it’s available in

1142
01:05:52,180 –> 01:05:56,900
the reference section at the LA
Public Library, the Central

1143
01:05:57,820 –> 01:06:00,700
Division.
Oh yeah, so you know, if you

1144
01:06:00,700 –> 01:06:05,260
have a means of seeking it out
for free from a library or

1145
01:06:05,260 –> 01:06:10,080
something, sure, but otherwise I
cannot recommend no.

1146
01:06:10,680 –> 01:06:14,840
Yeah, I mean, I don’t think it’s
like the worst in terms of

1147
01:06:14,840 –> 01:06:16,560
writing.
It’s not terrible.

1148
01:06:16,760 –> 01:06:20,840
And his descriptions of the
encounters with the aliens are

1149
01:06:21,040 –> 01:06:23,920
entertaining.
It’s a quick read, like it.

1150
01:06:23,960 –> 01:06:28,960
His writing is very easy to
understand and straightforward,

1151
01:06:29,120 –> 01:06:31,160
and he gets to the point
basically.

1152
01:06:31,600 –> 01:06:36,000
It’s just also that we’ve hit
the point in the UFO debate.

1153
01:06:36,870 –> 01:06:38,790
Or UAP, sorry.
Sure.

1154
01:06:38,950 –> 01:06:41,790
Where?
I don’t trust anyone.

1155
01:06:41,950 –> 01:06:45,670
I don’t trust the people saying
the aliens are evil and they

1156
01:06:45,670 –> 01:06:48,830
want to kill us.
I don’t trust even Greer.

1157
01:06:49,070 –> 01:06:52,030
Like, I definitely don’t trust
even Greer.

1158
01:06:52,230 –> 01:06:55,990
I have just kind of thrown my
hands up when it comes to aliens

1159
01:06:56,030 –> 01:06:58,630
and it’s like whatever’s gonna
happen is gonna fucking happen.

1160
01:06:58,830 –> 01:07:02,070
Like if the government is false
flagging us, they’re going to do

1161
01:07:02,070 –> 01:07:03,410
it.
Like there’s not.

1162
01:07:03,730 –> 01:07:06,330
We’re not gonna stop it by doing
podcasts about it.

1163
01:07:06,770 –> 01:07:09,090
Yeah, the the OR writing books
about it.

1164
01:07:09,410 –> 01:07:14,570
Like there’s a there’s a major
industry built up around this

1165
01:07:14,570 –> 01:07:17,970
stuff.
And that makes it difficult to

1166
01:07:18,130 –> 01:07:22,170
trust any of it because a lot of
people have a lot of money on

1167
01:07:22,170 –> 01:07:26,250
the, you know, at stake trying
to sell you on their version of

1168
01:07:26,250 –> 01:07:27,410
the story.
Yeah.

1169
01:07:27,610 –> 01:07:31,010
So I don’t know.
At least Jim Sparks is not that

1170
01:07:31,130 –> 01:07:36,170
we can definitively say that he
is not the kind of guy who was

1171
01:07:36,170 –> 01:07:40,730
out there trying to sell you a
million books and DVD’s and

1172
01:07:40,730 –> 01:07:42,930
documentaries and shit like he
has.

1173
01:07:43,050 –> 01:07:47,650
He wrote his goddamn book and he
put it out there and he fucked

1174
01:07:47,730 –> 01:07:53,250
off like that is it.
And like I, that is admirable in

1175
01:07:53,250 –> 01:07:55,010
its own way.
Yeah, there’s.

1176
01:07:55,460 –> 01:07:59,380
All I can find from him like he
was in a UFO documentary in

1177
01:07:59,380 –> 01:08:03,980
2013.
He was interviewed by Art Bell

1178
01:08:04,060 –> 01:08:09,260
in like 2007 or 8 and he was he
was on coast to coast.

1179
01:08:09,420 –> 01:08:13,220
Yeah, and he doesn’t sound like
a crazy person on coast to

1180
01:08:13,220 –> 01:08:16,620
coast, but a lot of like people
usually don’t like, that’s the.

1181
01:08:16,700 –> 01:08:18,939
Well, that’s because that’s the
coast to coast thing.

1182
01:08:19,220 –> 01:08:22,540
Like you’re already the crazy
part is that you’re listening to

1183
01:08:22,540 –> 01:08:27,180
Coast to Coast.
So like everything kind of

1184
01:08:27,180 –> 01:08:30,300
sounds, you know, pretty
rational when it’s happening.

1185
01:08:30,500 –> 01:08:35,260
So I think that’s our episode.
Yeah, I I do like how this

1186
01:08:35,260 –> 01:08:40,020
episode turned out and I
wouldn’t mind doing another book

1187
01:08:40,020 –> 01:08:44,180
club episode maybe next month.
And I don’t want leave.

1188
01:08:44,500 –> 01:08:46,260
I know what book I want to
cover.

1189
01:08:46,380 –> 01:08:50,779
It is a book I have not read,
but I have wanted to for a long

1190
01:08:50,779 –> 01:08:53,740
time.
It’s called The Elvis Files.

1191
01:08:53,859 –> 01:08:58,550
Was his.
Faked by Shale Be Giorgio.

1192
01:08:58,750 –> 01:09:01,950
It’s yeah, kind of hard to find,
but it’s out there.

1193
01:09:02,350 –> 01:09:06,069
And here’s the thing.
After looking at the FBI files

1194
01:09:06,069 –> 01:09:09,149
about Elvis, like, without even
reading this woman’s book,

1195
01:09:09,430 –> 01:09:14,149
right, I do think he joined
Witness Protection and fucked

1196
01:09:14,149 –> 01:09:18,029
off to another country.
Sure, I don’t think he died in

1197
01:09:18,029 –> 01:09:20,870
1978.
I mean, I’m sure he’s dead now,

1198
01:09:21,430 –> 01:09:24,710
but I’m an Elvis truther.
I’m sure.

1199
01:09:24,950 –> 01:09:25,910
Why not?
I think.

1200
01:09:26,109 –> 01:09:28,390
Who’s it hurt?
Yeah, that’s maybe Elvis.

1201
01:09:28,630 –> 01:09:32,510
That’s at least not a conspiracy
theory that when you you peel

1202
01:09:32,510 –> 01:09:34,910
the layers away, it ends with
the Jews.

1203
01:09:35,270 –> 01:09:36,910
Yeah, that’s true.
That is true.

1204
01:09:37,270 –> 01:09:39,029
Unless.
He was one, right?

1205
01:09:39,310 –> 01:09:40,430
Uh, yeah.
I’m.

1206
01:09:40,630 –> 01:09:43,830
I’m a Bubba Hotep truther.
I think actually that was a

1207
01:09:43,830 –> 01:09:46,870
documentary and that’s what
Elvis has been up to.

1208
01:09:47,210 –> 01:09:49,810
Yeah, I never saw it.
Oh, you would like it.

1209
01:09:49,970 –> 01:09:52,729
Maybe it’s old.
It’s Elvis in the retirement

1210
01:09:52,729 –> 01:09:54,810
home played by Bruce Campbell,
and he’s.

1211
01:09:54,890 –> 01:09:58,730
And he has to fight a zombie of
rednecks on redneck mummy.

1212
01:09:58,730 –> 01:10:01,730
Sorry, not zombie or redneck
mummy.

1213
01:10:01,890 –> 01:10:05,530
So yeah, let’s let’s cover that
next month, Bubba Hotep.

1214
01:10:05,930 –> 01:10:10,370
No, the Elvis file Hotep.
I mean, we could cover Bubba

1215
01:10:10,370 –> 01:10:13,570
Hotep as bonus episode after.
Well, that would be fun.

1216
01:10:14,440 –> 01:10:16,720
Cover the Elvis files.
I’m just looking at where it’s

1217
01:10:16,720 –> 01:10:19,240
available.
You can get it on Amazon

1218
01:10:19,440 –> 01:10:24,960
hardcover for $9.
There are a bunch of used ones

1219
01:10:24,960 –> 01:10:27,440
from like $3.
It’s out there.

1220
01:10:27,520 –> 01:10:28,880
You can find it.
It’s me.

1221
01:10:29,160 –> 01:10:30,880
There’s probably a PDF
somewhere.

1222
01:10:31,160 –> 01:10:33,680
I know there’s a version on eBay
that comes with a cassette.

1223
01:10:33,800 –> 01:10:35,560
I want that.
Well, I wonder if it’s on

1224
01:10:35,560 –> 01:10:37,240
Audible then.
Yeah, it might be.

1225
01:10:37,400 –> 01:10:40,800
So that’s our episode.
Olivia, thank you so much for

1226
01:10:40,800 –> 01:10:44,370
reading this crazy ass book.
Oh, thank you for having me.

1227
01:10:44,770 –> 01:10:48,130
This was fun.
And people at home, if you read

1228
01:10:48,130 –> 01:10:51,250
the book, you know, sound off in
the comments, tell us what you

1229
01:10:51,250 –> 01:10:53,690
thought.
Well, yeah, we’ll we’ll put up a

1230
01:10:53,690 –> 01:10:55,610
poll or something.
I don’t know.

1231
01:10:55,610 –> 01:10:57,730
If you’re on Spotify, we can put
a poll up.

1232
01:10:57,890 –> 01:10:59,170
But then what does everyone else
do?

1233
01:10:59,170 –> 01:11:02,610
Who knows?
So I think that’s it.

1234
01:11:02,610 –> 01:11:06,170
Do we have anything to plug
before we get out of here?

1235
01:11:06,370 –> 01:11:08,570
I mean, you know, I’m on.
I’m on X.

1236
01:11:10,770 –> 01:11:12,770
Hi there.
Hi, Dar, funny it’s.

1237
01:11:13,530 –> 01:11:15,770
Not funny.
It is funny.

1238
01:11:15,970 –> 01:11:19,490
OK, X is like truth social at
this point.

1239
01:11:19,690 –> 01:11:22,970
Like, there’s still, like, it’s
not like I actually, in my

1240
01:11:23,050 –> 01:11:26,210
everyday life refer to this
website as X.

1241
01:11:26,330 –> 01:11:29,530
Well, actually I do.
Sometimes It’s funny, but

1242
01:11:30,050 –> 01:11:33,730
obviously it’s still Twitter.
But you know, I can’t.

1243
01:11:33,890 –> 01:11:35,890
Funny that he did that.
It’s so stupid.

1244
01:11:36,090 –> 01:11:40,250
Um, you can find me on, I guess.
Blue Sky.

1245
01:11:40,370 –> 01:11:42,690
I’m there.
I mean, yeah, might be there

1246
01:11:42,690 –> 01:11:43,370
too.
So.

1247
01:11:44,170 –> 01:11:46,490
I am.
I mean, I still have a Twitter,

1248
01:11:46,490 –> 01:11:51,450
but I’m not fucking using it.
And follow me on Substack, Adam

1249
01:11:51,450 –> 01:11:54,210
Top brown.substack.com and I
think that’s it.

1250
01:11:54,210 –> 01:11:55,650
Let’s get the fuck out of here,
Olivia.

1251
01:11:55,810 –> 01:11:57,050
Say goodbye.
Bye.

1252
01:11:57,290 –> 01:12:04,290
Goodbye everybody.
We love you, people of Earth.