Adam and Olivia discuss the strange history and journey of the severed head of one of England’s most controversial historical figures.
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Welcome to Conspiracy the Show,
the world’s most trusted
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conspiracy theory podcast with
your hosts Adam Todd Brown and
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Olivia Hydar.
Hey, hey everybody.
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Welcome to Conspiracy the show.
I’m Adam Todd Brown.
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And I’m Olivia Hydar.
And I believe that makes us your
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hosts, Olivia.
How’s it going?
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It’s going all right.
You know, it’s the Christmas
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season feeling festive.
Things could always be worse.
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Our heads could be getting
passed around throughout
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history.
Exactly.
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My head won’t be going anywhere.
No one will care.
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That’s the nice thing about
being nobody.
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We are covering some weird shit
today.
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Yeah, it’s interesting.
Because here’s the thing.
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Sometimes, I mean, there’s only
so many conspiracy theories in
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the world.
So sometimes I have to play a
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little bit of conspiracy
documentary lottery and hope
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that whatever I pull from the
the balls, I use the balls like
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lottery, like they blow, blow in
the air and then whatever one
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shoots up through the tube is
what I pick.
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And this week it was Cromwell’s
Head.
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We’re we’re doing, recovering
the documentary Cromwells Head,
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which is about the guy from
Babe.
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Beat me too.
Yeah, it’s about James
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Cromwells.
Amazing Head, that guy.
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I gotta tell you, if you were
gonna do a documentary about one
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actors head, you could pick
worse than James Cromwell.
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That guy has an amazing Dome.
Yeah, he’s got a very
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appropriately sized headpiece
for his body.
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It’s.
It’s well proportioned.
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God, he’s He rules.
He’s so good.
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He’s in succession.
He’s so, he’s so fucking good in
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the last season of succession.
I got to get back to succession
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first season.
He has a killer fucking
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monologue In what?
In a the last season of
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succession.
It’s so amazing and I love him.
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Every time he pops up I’m always
so happy, but unfortunately he
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is not in this documentary.
Yeah, unfortunately, that is not
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the Cromwell in question.
Cromwells Head refers to Oliver
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Cromwell, a very important
figure from British history.
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This documentary, I mentioned it
to you before we started
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recording.
It’s very much British, British,
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British, British, then in it,
which I don’t know what I was
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expecting.
Right.
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Yeah.
I mean, come on, man.
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It’s about Oliver Cromwell,
yeah.
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And it’s also on BB, it’s on BBC
Select.
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All of the Americans who care
about Oliver Cromwell are
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interviewed in this documentary.
Exactly, yeah.
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This is on Amazon by way of an
Amazon channel called BBC
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Select.
Sure.
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And if for some reason you do
wanna watch this after Olivia
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and I run through it, you can do
that with a free trial that I
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need to make sure to cancel.
I didn’t.
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I guess I just look around.
What else is on BBC Select?
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You know, I I didn’t realize
that it was on BBC Select, so I
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just paid 3 bucks to watch it.
And you know what?
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That’s fine.
Yeah, friend of the show Ethan
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Lawrence is currently on ABBC
show called Boat Story that I I
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don’t think you can get here.
I wonder if I can get that on
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BBC Select then?
Maybe.
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I’m gonna check in it, in it.
Fish and.
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Chips.
Boy, cookies.
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No, they.
Don’t call.
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No, no, They call them biscuits.
And what are cookies over there?
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They got to have something that
they call cookies, right?
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Probably they.
Do I don’t think they have to.
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They have to by law.
Okay okay.
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Wait.
Hold on one second.
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Geneva Convention.
British Cookies.
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That is not helpful.
That was not a helpful Google.
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I’m not going to lie all them
biscuits.
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It’s just like here’s a bunch of
different cookies from Britain.
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I don’t know.
I can’t.
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It’s a mystery that will forever
remain unsolved until one of our
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British listeners yells at us
about it.
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Yeah, which will definitely
happen.
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Yeah, Look, we’re sorry we can’t
help but that you live on an
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island of subhuman inbreds Like
I I’m sorry, I’m kidding.
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I love.
I love Britain.
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Except for all of the
transphobes that inhabit that
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island.
Yeah, there’s lots of lots of
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anti immigration types in that
government that I’m not a fan
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of.
Yeah, Oliver Cromwell, he’s an
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important figure in British
history, which is here’s the
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thing about British history,
There’s too much of it.
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It’s.
So old.
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Yeah, like some of that needs to
be sealed away, like it’s their
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youth record or something.
Yeah, here’s the thing.
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Like, we’re gonna be talking
about people from the modern
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times getting upset about this
guy who lived in the 1600s.
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Like, come on guys, let it go.
Yeah, very strong opinions about
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this guy, mostly because he
killed a king and it’s like, I
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don’t know, try it out, see see
how you feel about it for me.
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This guy killed a king in the
1600s and people are still
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calling him a murderer today.
Yeah, but then you also.
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But then you also have people
who are like, yeah, he killed a
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king and participated in some
ethnic cleansing of sorts, but
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beyond that he was a good dude.
He was a cool guy, yeah.
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Like, jeez, yeah.
But people are very conflicted
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about this guy still.
Yeah.
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And there was a civil war, and
he was kind of the leader of one
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side of that civil war, the
parliamentarians.
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Yes.
And it one point as that civil
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war was kind of coming to a
head.
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King Charles the first gets
tried for treason and Cromwell
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is a key figure in that trial.
King Charles the 1st is
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convicted after a nine day trial
and beheaded in public.
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Yeah, that’s.
Cool.
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Yeah.
Shit was wild back then.
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It’s true.
Like, yeah, if that was still
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happening, yeah, I feel like the
world, the the leaders of the
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world would be a little more on
their peas if they actually
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routinely getting beheaded for
being bad.
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Yeah, I think it’s a good
policy.
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You know, I think we’ve got
another King Charles right now
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and maybe he could stand to like
heed his ancestors life lessons
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even though he has no real
political power whatsoever.
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No, no, no one’s going to give
that guy power.
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Look at him.
I would rather not, honestly.
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I I would be fine starting with
prosecutors.
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I think prosecutors are that
first class of of public figure
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that because that’s that’s
usually there’s a lot of cases
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where that’s provable like it’s
it’s provable in some cases that
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there are prosecutors who just
put people to death because they
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didn’t want to be wrong like
they knew they were wrong but
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they didn’t want to publicly be
wrong.
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I was watching.
I watched The Devil’s Advocate
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recently, and it really reminded
me of how for so long,
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especially in the 90s, defense
attorneys were the bad guys.
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Like that’s what the the general
public was like.
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These God damn defense
attorneys, when in reality it’s
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the prosecutors we really gotta
watch out for.
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They’re the real Devil’s
Advocate.
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Yeah, And it’s like, what do you
want?
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People need defense attorneys,
that’s how.
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Exactly this system.
Works.
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These fucking judges.
Why can’t we just vote on TV?
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I mean that might actually be
better then.
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I mean, that’s probably where
we’re heading.
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Yeah, yeah, that wouldn’t
surprise me.
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Just Instagram poll something
like that.
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Yeah, exactly.
Deserves to go to the chair.
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All all policy will be decided
by Twitter poll.
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Only four options and one of
them is always see results.
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Yeah, so Cromwell, he takes the
title Lord Protector Cromwell
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after he offs King Charles the
First.
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He did not take the title of
King.
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Very noble of him, I guess.
I don’t.
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I actually don’t give a shit.
Yeah, I don’t really care
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either.
But like, it is funny that he
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doesn’t want to be called the
king.
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He just wants to be the king.
Yeah, it seems like.
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And again, I’m just spitballing
here.
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From what this documentary
taught me about British history
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this morning when I watched it,
it seems like he was more like
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now.
I don’t want to be king.
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I want to be worse than that.
I want to be something so much
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worse than king.
So in that way, in that way,
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it’s not all that noble of him
to have not taken that title.
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No, I’m going to say it.
I think the Puritan murderer
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seems like kind of a bad guy.
Yeah, that that really is a good
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way to describe him.
He was a Puritan who killed a
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bunch of people, and to this
day, people are still like, I
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don’t know.
You know, he’s had, he had some
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things to teach us, yeah.
He had some good ideas.
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Oh no, that’s a slippery slope.
Yeah, he only ruled from 1653 to
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1658 and then he died after a
brief illness ’cause that’s how
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it worked back then.
Basically, you get a cold and
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then they write you off, yeah.
They’re like, I don’t know,
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pray, I guess just to the right
sect of Christianity, or we will
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stone you to death.
So after he dies, Richard
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Cromwell takes over.
That’s Oliver’s 32 year old son.
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So I’m assuming Oliver was like
44 when he died, basically like
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that.
He was like 60.
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Yeah, 32 at that point.
There were probably people being
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like, OK, and you’re still in
public office.
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You know you’re going to die
like a year from now.
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But here’s the thing.
He takes over and he sucks,
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which is just a classic
millennial move.
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Like he’s just he can’t live up
to his boomer dad.
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Yeah, classic nepotism, baby.
He’s like the Rockwell of
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British history right there.
All of these British monarchs
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are just Nepo babies.
Kind of.
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Basically, yes, literally.
And yeah, so he’s so bad at his
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job that it starts to kind of
tarnish Oliver Cromwells legacy,
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too.
Yeah, like how Bill Belichick
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was the greatest coach in NFL
history for a long time.
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And then Tom Brady went and won
a Super Bowl somewhere else, and
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Bill Belichick hasn’t been
winning, so now his His legacy’s
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getting retroactively tarnished.
Also very similar.
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It’s a good, good reference for
British listeners.
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I know they got it.
It’s a great.
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Reference for me too ’cause I
totally get it.
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Yeah, I wanted to throw that one
out there a little Hail Mary, if
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you will.
You know Hail Mary when you
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throw the ball like 56?
Just even, like Hail Mary, full
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of grace.
What?
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No, I think they got that from
the NFL.
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Oh, interesting.
Yeah, so at some point people
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are so disgruntled with Oliver
Cromwell’s bullshit kid Dick,
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they start calling him something
like leaky Dick or something
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like.
That it was something like that.
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Calling Dick.
Yes, yes, Crumbling Dick.
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I don’t remember what it was.
I mean, This is why you don’t
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name your kids Richard, I gotta
say.
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Yeah, it’s like, if you don’t
want to have kids, just don’t
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have them.
Like, don’t the name.
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So people get so disgruntled
with Richard that eventually the
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son of King Charles the First
takes over as ruler.
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He’s been exiled and they start
a hashtag campaign.
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However, that worked back then.
To get him back, he comes back
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and he rounds up most of the men
who participated in his father’s
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trial.
Right. 12 of them are executed
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in appropriately horrific
fashion for the time they are
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hanged to the edge of
unconsciousness, right?
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And then disemboweled and their
body parts are distributed to
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the crowd, I guess.
They like hung.
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They hung their body parts like
around town.
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Yeah, yeah.
They like, hung them on like a
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lamp, light poles and stuff.
Not I guess they didn’t have St.
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lamps in the 1600s, you know
what I mean?
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Yeah, yeah, the bugs.
Can you imagine?
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I mean, look, I have to imagine
that it was a pretty smelly time
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anyway.
Yeah.
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I’ve never looked at ancient
history and thought, I bet this
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is like a really pleasant place
to be.
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But yeah, there had to be crazy
bugs on these dead bodies.
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Just everywhere and you don’t
see them in the pictures, they
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don’t.
Feel like they don’t draw them.
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That was a little historical
whitewashing.
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They were like, we can’t let
people know what happened.
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I mean, all of the all of the
pictures are drawn by hand, it’s
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just tedious to draw the little
bugs.
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Yeah, it would be funny if every
picture from history just had
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thousands of bugs drawn on it
somewhere.
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Flies hovering around
everything.
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Yeah, basically.
That would be accurate.
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Gross.
Yep, disgusting time.
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So this guy wasn’t just going to
leave it at Okay?
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Well, I rounded up the people
who killed my father, who are
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still alive.
No, he decides to take it a step
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further because here’s the
thing.
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Oliver Cromwell got like, a
monarch’s funeral.
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They buried him in Westminster
Abbey, I believe.
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And so King Charles the 2nd is
like, well, we got to undo that
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shit.
And it’s not enough to just,
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like, tweet about it and be
like, hey, I ask King Charles a
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second distance myself from all
the pomp and circumstance of
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that man’s funeral.
No, no, you you go, you go above
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and beyond that.
He had Oliver Cromwell’s body
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exhumed along with those of two
of his fellow parliamentarians.
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And thus begins Oliver
Cromwell’s journey through
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history as kind of like a
sideshow attraction.
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The.
Relic.
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Yeah, yeah.
The relic in the classic term,
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yeah, this is AI mean.
This is a thing that happened a
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lot throughout history.
I mean, because like as they
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mentioned in this documentary,
if someone is notorious enough,
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there will be weirdos who want
to worship their bones.
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And so there are many examples
throughout history of notorious
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people’s bones being were moved
or thrown away or you know,
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they, like Hitler’s remains,
were dumped in a random river
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somewhere so no one could like,
worship them.
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Sure, sure they were.
OK, I mean, that’s what
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happened.
But you can you can doubt all
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you want.
So yeah, but before that, before
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they.
I mean, they display it, but it
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seems like King Charles the 2nd
is displaying Cromwell’s remains
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as if to say, hey, this could be
you.
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Fuck face, don’t act up.
Sure, totally Yeah.
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Which I mean that is, that is a
pretty interesting move.
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Yeah.
Yeah, he he charged, like, per
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visitor.
Like it really was a come see
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the bearded lady kind of thing,
the world.
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‘S strongest way to make a
little extra coin for the king.
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Yeah, you know the King needs
it.
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And then controversy.
The bodies were moved to a
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Tavern called the Old Red Lion
for some reason, and people
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suspect all sorts of Hannigan’s
might have happened there.
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Sure, but then the bodies were
displayed at the Tyburn Tree.
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I want to read all about the
Tyburn Tree.
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It sounds gnarly as fuck.
I’m sure it has a rich history,
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as does so many things in
England, but yeah, this is this
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thing is insane.
Yeah, it was a public execution
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contraption, Yeah.
That could dispose of up to 21
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rabble rousers per hour, which
doesn’t.
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That’s not a bad.
Clip No, that’s a that’s a good
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rate for, you know pre
automation days, yeah.
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Yeah, when you literally had to
walk a person to a place so you
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could hang them.
Yeah, you had to tie him to this
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goddamn wooden triangle.
‘Cause I guess that is still the
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most efficient means of doing it
at this point in history.
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Like, you can’t just beat
everybody to death.
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That’s gonna that’s a workout.
Unless you, like, were ahead of
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your time and market it as like
the new hot workout.
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That would have been smart and
like, I mean, I guess you could.
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I mean, well, there were
beheadings too.
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Let’s not.
Let’s be fair.
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They weren’t just hanging
people.
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They were also beheading.
And yeah, that also that one
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pretty smooth.
But like when you see how this
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thing is built, you understand
that like this was a good method
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for mass disposal.
Like if you needed it’s not just
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for a public because public
executions were happening in all
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manner of ways, but if you
needed like like this says like
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12 people all killed at the same
damn time, then you need this
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giant pyramid shaped gallows
that they built and you know,
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public executions.
They were.
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They were the hot tickets back
in those days.
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Yeah, I mean, what else are you
going to watch?
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Exactly.
It was like one of the primary
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forms of entertainment.
Yeah, it was the earliest sport.
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Basically.
And so, yeah, the tie burn tree.
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Now there’s just like a spot in
the middle of a sidewalk.
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Yeah, England.
Where if you look down, you’re
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like, oh, I’m haunted now fuck.
It’s like a tie.
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That says, here’s where the TIE
Burn Tree was, and now here’s
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where.
You’re not haunted because they
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moved the mass grave that was
underneath it, so it’s actually
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fine there.
Yeah, yeah.
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That was one of the features.
I imagine the way it worked is
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after the person dies, you just,
like, either cut them down or
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push that body right into that
pit.
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And again, the bugs.
Yeah, the smell.
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No, I want no part of it.
So Cromwell is not only
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displayed publicly, but
eventually his body is beheaded
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and his corpse is
unceremoniously tossed into one
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of those pits.
Yeah, allegedly.
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Allegedly, That is the claim.
There are also some claims that
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Cromwell was ready for this.
He was like, look, someday I’m
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going to die and oh, King
Charles the second’s going to
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come back and be like, man, you
killed my dad.
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You know when you play the game,
sometimes the game plays you
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like you.
You know how it goes.
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And so he’s like, I know what
they’re going to do.
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They’re going to dig my body up
and fucking display it publicly.
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It’s like, Geez, Nostradamus.
Well, but.
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He was right.
And so, yeah, there are some
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people who think that trip to
the old Red Lion Tavern was
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actually where his body was
swapped out with someone else’s.
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So that becomes a thing.
But what we do know is that
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head.
We know what that head do.
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It’s that head’s for real and.
The head is probably his.
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Yeah, because King Charles the
Second kept that head and put it
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on a spike overlooking the
courtroom where Cromwell had
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sentenced King Charles the 1st
to death.
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Stayed there for 23 years.
Very Game of Thrones.
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That that death.
Yeah, that that like like that
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second death.
Like he was already.
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Well, that’s what I meant.
That burial or or, yeah,
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disposal, whatever you want to
phrase that.
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So yeah, who knows if that was
really his body that was dumped
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in that pit, but apparently it
was the real head, which makes
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it seem like that would be the
real.
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That I mean that it must have
been.
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The body was deep beheaded after
it left the Tavern, so.
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Yeah.
And they do talk about some
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rituals at the time where, like,
a person’s heart would be
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removed and put in a lead case
and buried.
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And there’s some suggestion that
maybe that’s what happened at
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the old Red Lion Tavern is that
parts of Oliver Cromwell were
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removed and buried in a field,
like, right across the street.
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Right.
Which that would make more
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sense.
Like if if that really was his
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head put on that spike, it had
to come off his body, right?
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I just did a little science
there for everybody.
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You’re welcome.
You’re welcome.
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Wow.
Thank you.
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What we do know is that
eventually that head just fell
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off the roof.
I.
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Love this story?
Which is very funny to me.
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There was a storm and there’s
this guard.
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They mentioned that he was like,
trying to stay awake.
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Yeah.
And he’s what they call him, a
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sentry, I believe.
Right.
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Yeah, he was walking the grounds
or whatever.
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Yeah, and there’s a storm
happening and Cromwell’s head
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just falls off.
Yep, lands on the ground and
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this guy picks it up and is
like, oh, I’m gonna keep it.
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Well, I think he was worried
that someone would think that he
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had removed it, right, You know?
Which you know, the easiest way
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to prevent that would have been
to just go to your supervisor,
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your shift leader, and be like
hey boss, hey this.
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I found this.
The Cromwell head fell off and
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stormed.
Yeah, but I mean, look, these
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weren’t like understanding
times.
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I couldn’t.
I like I I would understand
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being like if if I tell anyone
about this, they are gonna put
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my head up there, yeah.
Yeah, he would have told someone
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and they’d be like, look, you
did the right thing, We
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obviously have to stone you to
death for touching that head.
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Exactly.
Still guy know the right thing.
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Better to just play ignorant, I
think.
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Personally, this is probably
what I would have done.
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I found it a very relatable
story.
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Yeah, he takes it home and then
it’s like, oh, I probably don’t
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want to get caught with this.
And so he hides it in his
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chimney.
It’s like that JFK magic bullet
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episode we covered not that long
ago where the guy just found the
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bullet and was like, I’m gonna
talk at that and then freaks out
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and it’s like, oh shit and
tosses.
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It’s a similar thing where it’s
like if I if I reveal this that
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there’s a chance I’ll get in
trouble, so I probably shouldn’t
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reveal it.
Yeah, I just like that he stuck
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it up his chimney like Phoebe
Cates’s mom for dad from
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Gremlins.
Remember he about that story
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from Gremlins where the dad like
comes up the chimney and dies
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and it gets stuck in the
chimney?
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Yeah, I remember seeing Gremlins
as a kid and being like, whoa,
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that’s that’s heavy.
And then seeing it again as an
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adult, I was like, that’s funny.
It’s a funny scene, but it is
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like, very sad, but it is.
It’s funny that it’s there.
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And so this guy, he hides it in
his chimney, tells no one about
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it until he’s on his deathbed,
right?
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Imagine getting that on your
deathbed.
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Like, I just read an article
about some It was on CNN and
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this woman was like, my dad lied
to me all his life.
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It turns out he was a bank
robber and he didn’t tell me
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until he was on his deathbed.
And it’s like, that’s cool like.
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That’s very cool.
That’s really fucking neat.
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Meanwhile, if dad’s like, by the
way, Oliver Cromwell’s head, go
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get it.
Yeah.
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And even then, would you like as
the kid, would you be like,
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should I or should I just leave
it there, Should that?
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Just be your dad.
You’re going senile in your old
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age thinking about heads and
chimneys, and then you go and
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look and there it is.
And with the fucking spike and
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everything.
Yeah, that’s that’s a rude thing
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to do to your kids.
It is.
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Because imagine how gross that
fucking head must have been
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after a bunch of years in a
chimney.
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And also, this isn’t that far
removed from him finding it.
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Like he sure like he didn’t
like.
435
00:25:28,800 –> 00:25:34,520
Again, people didn’t live that
long, so it’s not like they
436
00:25:34,520 –> 00:25:38,400
could just take it and be like,
yeah, my dad found this, but
437
00:25:38,400 –> 00:25:40,800
apparently they did.
They ’cause they take it.
438
00:25:40,960 –> 00:25:43,440
And I guess it was different
times, a little more
439
00:25:43,440 –> 00:25:45,680
progressive.
By this point, Charles the
440
00:25:45,760 –> 00:25:49,160
Second had died.
It was 1688, so he was probably
441
00:25:49,160 –> 00:25:54,680
like 46, had a good run.
He’s replaced by his brother
442
00:25:54,680 –> 00:25:57,000
James the 2nd.
That guy’s run out of the
443
00:25:57,000 –> 00:25:59,960
country pretty quick and
replaced by William the 3rd.
444
00:26:00,200 –> 00:26:03,680
And this whole middle part, I
was like, can we just talk about
445
00:26:03,680 –> 00:26:05,440
this guy’s head again?
Come on.
446
00:26:05,960 –> 00:26:08,200
There there’s a lot of British
history in here.
447
00:26:08,200 –> 00:26:12,280
And the thing about British
history is that it is so
448
00:26:12,280 –> 00:26:17,120
complicated because there are so
many weird morons involved.
449
00:26:18,560 –> 00:26:23,400
Like all of these, all this
tumult of like Sir Blank was
450
00:26:23,400 –> 00:26:26,560
overthrown by Sir Blank and blah
blah blah.
451
00:26:26,840 –> 00:26:31,160
And in this documentary, they’ll
jump from talking about
452
00:26:31,160 –> 00:26:38,360
Cromwell’s embalmed head to a
battle he led in like the 1600s.
453
00:26:38,680 –> 00:26:42,040
And it’s like he’s dead now.
Let’s just follow this head.
454
00:26:43,720 –> 00:26:48,920
It’s because a lot of it is
about the changing opinions on
455
00:26:49,480 –> 00:26:54,280
Oliver Cromwell over the years
among British voters.
456
00:26:54,280 –> 00:26:56,720
Is that what they do over there?
Voters with like.
457
00:26:56,800 –> 00:27:01,240
Eurs probably vote tours.
Well, that would be like fridge
458
00:27:01,240 –> 00:27:03,880
voters.
Oh yeah, I suppose, yeah.
459
00:27:03,880 –> 00:27:05,840
Voter.
There’s an extra U somewhere,
460
00:27:06,600 –> 00:27:11,240
BOUTERS.
Voters, I think.
461
00:27:11,480 –> 00:27:13,560
I don’t know that they’re.
I don’t know if they’re voting
462
00:27:13,560 –> 00:27:16,560
at this point.
I really, I am unfortunately
463
00:27:16,560 –> 00:27:20,120
extremely ignorant about most
British history.
464
00:27:20,360 –> 00:27:22,920
Yeah, yeah, same.
Because here’s the thing.
465
00:27:23,040 –> 00:27:24,480
Not British.
Doesn’t matter.
466
00:27:24,520 –> 00:27:26,200
And again, there’s so much of
it.
467
00:27:26,200 –> 00:27:29,720
Like, you’re gonna have to.
You’re gonna have to tell me a
468
00:27:29,720 –> 00:27:33,200
couple key episodes that I
should cover first.
469
00:27:33,600 –> 00:27:36,720
I know the big things.
Yeah, like at this point it’s
470
00:27:36,720 –> 00:27:39,560
like trying to get into How I
Met Your Mother or something.
471
00:27:39,560 –> 00:27:44,200
Like, there’s so many like.
It seems like such a complicated
472
00:27:44,200 –> 00:27:46,760
story.
Just like give me the Cromwell’s
473
00:27:46,760 –> 00:27:48,600
head version.
It’s like I feel like I.
474
00:27:48,680 –> 00:27:53,200
Was How I Met your mother.
I mean, sometimes it’s as funny.
475
00:27:53,200 –> 00:27:55,080
Sometimes, I guess sometimes it.
Is.
476
00:27:55,080 –> 00:28:01,720
And so, yeah, around 1700 is
when that guard, that sentry who
477
00:28:01,880 –> 00:28:06,360
found Oliver Cromwell’s head in
that storm, that’s when he dies.
478
00:28:06,800 –> 00:28:10,160
And again by this point,
obviously a very different time
479
00:28:10,320 –> 00:28:13,440
in British history.
A lot more forward thinking
480
00:28:13,600 –> 00:28:17,720
people are fine with you
displaying royalties,
481
00:28:17,920 –> 00:28:21,040
disembodied head for the public
to see.
482
00:28:21,200 –> 00:28:24,680
The daughters end up selling
this head to a guy named
483
00:28:24,680 –> 00:28:32,200
Claudius Dupuy, who sounds like
kind of a precursor to a person
484
00:28:32,200 –> 00:28:36,760
who I am, by total coincidence,
wearing on my T-shirt right now,
485
00:28:36,920 –> 00:28:41,440
which is Zach Bagans of Ghost
Adventures fame.
486
00:28:41,800 –> 00:28:45,960
He has an attraction in Las
Vegas that I cannot recommend
487
00:28:46,000 –> 00:28:47,760
enough called the Haunted
Museum.
488
00:28:48,040 –> 00:28:53,840
Oh, sure, I’ve heard of this.
It’s just a bunch of sometimes
489
00:28:53,840 –> 00:28:56,240
very harrowing shit like he’s
got.
490
00:28:56,400 –> 00:28:59,360
He’s got stuff that like serial
killers used to.
491
00:28:59,800 –> 00:29:02,480
Oh yeah, I remember we talked
about this because I find it
492
00:29:02,480 –> 00:29:06,560
disgusting.
It’s pretty fucking horrifying.
493
00:29:06,560 –> 00:29:11,200
Like there’s there’s parts of it
that are, it’s like, yeah, you
494
00:29:11,200 –> 00:29:13,960
wanted that.
There’s one room in particular.
495
00:29:14,280 –> 00:29:17,280
I always forget the name of the
serial killer, ’cause I try and
496
00:29:17,280 –> 00:29:21,080
block it out.
But he would abduct male sex
497
00:29:21,080 –> 00:29:27,000
workers and then like, bind them
to the bed with their arms
498
00:29:27,000 –> 00:29:28,800
behind their back.
Like, it sounds like the kind of
499
00:29:28,800 –> 00:29:31,760
shit King Charles the Second
probably would have had done to
500
00:29:31,760 –> 00:29:36,680
people and would put hypodermic
needles in their body and
501
00:29:36,680 –> 00:29:40,200
connect those to a battery and
would like to use that to
502
00:29:40,200 –> 00:29:43,800
electrocute him.
And he’s got like a whole room.
503
00:29:43,800 –> 00:29:48,360
He’s got the bed, he’s got the
guy’s diary.
504
00:29:48,680 –> 00:29:50,840
It’s nuts.
Like that’s the one.
505
00:29:51,200 –> 00:29:54,200
That’s the one room where I was
like, oh, this hits a little
506
00:29:54,200 –> 00:29:57,720
different.
Why does that guy deserve a
507
00:29:57,720 –> 00:30:00,600
shrine, you know?
Yeah, like.
508
00:30:00,600 –> 00:30:03,280
Like, fuck that guy.
‘Cause it’s it’s not like the
509
00:30:03,280 –> 00:30:05,720
Peggy the doll room, it’s just
like.
510
00:30:05,960 –> 00:30:08,080
Right.
Like, hey, don’t talk to this
511
00:30:08,080 –> 00:30:10,200
doll or she’ll follow you home
in spirit.
512
00:30:10,200 –> 00:30:11,920
Exactly.
That’s different.
513
00:30:12,200 –> 00:30:15,520
Like and and it’s mostly that.
But then there’s also, you know,
514
00:30:15,520 –> 00:30:18,160
stuff like that room.
He’s got some of Patrick
515
00:30:18,160 –> 00:30:22,840
Swayze’s teeth push that I’ve
always found very interesting
516
00:30:23,280 –> 00:30:28,120
and it sounds like that’s where
Oliver Cromwell’s head ended up
517
00:30:28,280 –> 00:30:30,800
around the 70s.
Yeah, I mean, it is.
518
00:30:30,800 –> 00:30:34,560
That is sort of a modern cabinet
of curiosities, which is what
519
00:30:34,560 –> 00:30:37,560
these sorts of things would have
been called like.
520
00:30:38,440 –> 00:30:41,800
They’re the precursor to modern
museums, like that is.
521
00:30:41,800 –> 00:30:45,400
The thing about the Cataman of
curiosities is they were kind of
522
00:30:45,400 –> 00:30:49,360
a carnival sideshow.
But they were also the closest
523
00:30:49,360 –> 00:30:52,720
thing that they had to a museum
in that time.
524
00:30:52,720 –> 00:30:53,960
Right.
Because history was still
525
00:30:53,960 –> 00:30:55,520
happening.
Yeah.
526
00:30:55,520 –> 00:30:57,360
So they couldn’t just have a
museum.
527
00:30:58,640 –> 00:31:01,400
Yeah, so instead it was like,
look at this thing that died.
528
00:31:01,960 –> 00:31:04,000
Look at this thing that died 50
years ago.
529
00:31:04,000 –> 00:31:06,840
It’s.
Like that still feels a little
530
00:31:06,840 –> 00:31:09,720
too soon.
Although I totally would have
531
00:31:09,720 –> 00:31:12,160
gone to see Cromwell’s head.
Oh, I would absolutely.
532
00:31:12,160 –> 00:31:14,000
I’d go see Cromwell’s head right
now.
533
00:31:14,280 –> 00:31:16,680
I know we should.
You know, they talk about where
534
00:31:16,680 –> 00:31:18,520
it is.
We should just go try to find
535
00:31:18,520 –> 00:31:20,840
it.
Yeah, I bet they take perfectly
536
00:31:20,840 –> 00:31:21,920
kindly.
Yeah, they.
537
00:31:21,920 –> 00:31:23,960
‘D be happy with that, right?
They’d be fine with.
538
00:31:23,960 –> 00:31:25,800
Coroner’s showing up with a
shovel.
539
00:31:25,800 –> 00:31:27,040
It’s like, what are we doing
here?
540
00:31:27,040 –> 00:31:29,440
Don’t worry about it.
Don’t worry about it.
541
00:31:29,760 –> 00:31:31,240
Don’t worry about it.
We’ll be gone soon.
542
00:31:31,400 –> 00:31:36,920
And so, yeah, the Claudius
Dupuy, he keeps this thing on
543
00:31:36,920 –> 00:31:41,000
display for the public and he
dies in 1738.
544
00:31:41,000 –> 00:31:44,080
So it spends 38 years in a gift
shop, basically.
545
00:31:45,920 –> 00:31:49,920
And then that museum owner died
and his son-in-law sells
546
00:31:49,920 –> 00:31:53,200
Cromwell’s head to a guy named
Samuel Russell.
547
00:31:53,320 –> 00:31:57,080
Which this is an interesting
turn because how did this guy
548
00:31:57,080 –> 00:31:59,440
afford it?
Everyone’s like he was a down on
549
00:31:59,440 –> 00:32:03,480
his luck actor who spent all his
money on alcohol and it’s like
550
00:32:03,480 –> 00:32:06,440
and he also bought Oliver
Cromwell’s head.
551
00:32:06,560 –> 00:32:07,520
In the midst.
Of all that.
552
00:32:08,000 –> 00:32:09,280
Yeah, it must have been going
cheap.
553
00:32:09,400 –> 00:32:14,400
It does reek of like drunk
Saturday night eBay purchase.
554
00:32:14,600 –> 00:32:17,160
Right, right.
Where he’s like, this is gonna
555
00:32:17,160 –> 00:32:20,960
change my life when he wakes up
in the morning and he’s like, ah
556
00:32:21,120 –> 00:32:24,240
fuck, I brought a head.
You have to imagine that there,
557
00:32:24,320 –> 00:32:28,840
you know, there was probably
also some question called as to
558
00:32:28,840 –> 00:32:32,360
whether it was actually
Cromwell’s head at the time,
559
00:32:32,640 –> 00:32:35,640
because it wasn’t really
confirmed until a lot later than
560
00:32:35,640 –> 00:32:38,480
it was legitimately the dude’s
head.
561
00:32:38,600 –> 00:32:41,560
Yeah, it seems like that happens
way, way, way later.
562
00:32:41,720 –> 00:32:45,680
Yeah, because it needed a bunch
of forensic analysis that didn’t
563
00:32:45,680 –> 00:32:50,160
exist at the time.
And it it’s also eventually, it
564
00:32:50,160 –> 00:32:54,120
seems like the way they solve it
is pretty elementary.
565
00:32:54,280 –> 00:32:57,280
They’re like, well, this body
was beheaded after it was
566
00:32:57,280 –> 00:33:01,080
embalmed, and that narrows it
down a whole lot ’cause
567
00:33:01,200 –> 00:33:04,840
normally, normally if you die,
you’re getting bombed after
568
00:33:04,840 –> 00:33:08,080
that.
So it matched.
569
00:33:08,080 –> 00:33:13,400
The story matched.
And so yeah, he this guy, he is
570
00:33:13,400 –> 00:33:15,720
drunk all the time.
He’s down on his luck.
571
00:33:15,840 –> 00:33:19,120
He displays Cromwell’s head in a
shop in London and it does
572
00:33:19,120 –> 00:33:22,440
nothing to help his financial
fortunes.
573
00:33:22,640 –> 00:33:26,240
And eventually a guy he owes a
bunch of money to calls in those
574
00:33:26,240 –> 00:33:29,400
loans and is like, what do you
got if you don’t have my cash?
575
00:33:29,600 –> 00:33:32,440
How about the Cromwell head?
Give me the Cromwell head.
576
00:33:34,400 –> 00:33:39,160
And this was apparently at a
point in human history where
577
00:33:39,320 –> 00:33:43,960
human heads were just all the
rage, like people were tossing
578
00:33:43,960 –> 00:33:47,440
them around as gifts.
Beanie Babies didn’t exist.
579
00:33:47,440 –> 00:33:50,480
There were no Pokémon cards.
Yeah, if you want to be a
580
00:33:50,480 –> 00:33:54,240
collector of rare artifacts, all
you really got are human heads.
581
00:33:54,240 –> 00:33:57,400
At this point, it’s a dark, dark
time.
582
00:33:57,560 –> 00:33:59,760
But hey, at least they’re
treated and they don’t stink
583
00:33:59,760 –> 00:34:03,640
that much.
This head still fucking reeked.
584
00:34:03,880 –> 00:34:06,680
You know, I bet it just smelled
musty.
585
00:34:06,760 –> 00:34:09,960
You know, at this point.
It’s almost 100 years old now.
586
00:34:10,360 –> 00:34:17,920
I bought Arms Titanic sweatshirt
at the Titanic exhibit in Las
587
00:34:17,920 –> 00:34:21,199
Vegas because I was like, that’s
that’s weird merch.
588
00:34:21,239 –> 00:34:23,719
That’s that’s what I want on my
chest.
589
00:34:24,480 –> 00:34:28,639
And I shit you not.
It’s been washed a couple times
590
00:34:28,880 –> 00:34:32,199
since I bought it and it always
smells musty.
591
00:34:32,320 –> 00:34:33,960
It’s like, yeah, that’s what I
get.
592
00:34:34,239 –> 00:34:36,120
I bought a haunted sweatshirt.
That’s fair.
593
00:34:37,480 –> 00:34:40,320
That’s what I get for being all
cheeky and like, I’m gonna wear
594
00:34:40,320 –> 00:34:44,159
a Titanic sweatshirt.
Yeah, it smells like the boat
595
00:34:44,159 –> 00:34:48,920
those people died on, probably.
Well, luckily the boat doesn’t
596
00:34:48,920 –> 00:34:51,360
smell like much of anything,
since it’s at the bottom of an
597
00:34:51,360 –> 00:34:53,520
ocean with a bunch of submarine
parts.
598
00:34:53,960 –> 00:34:56,520
Yeah, the Titanic exhibit’s
really cool though.
599
00:34:56,520 –> 00:34:59,400
They actually have part of the
ship like that rules.
600
00:34:59,640 –> 00:35:04,200
Yeah, and a big ass iceberg that
you can put your hand, ’cause it
601
00:35:04,200 –> 00:35:06,040
makes sense.
Once you touch that iceberg,
602
00:35:06,040 –> 00:35:08,600
it’s like, Oh yeah, I bet that
would rip a fucking hole.
603
00:35:08,840 –> 00:35:10,560
It’s like rock.
Yeah, yeah.
604
00:35:10,720 –> 00:35:13,880
So there’s no human heads
though, which is disappointing
605
00:35:13,880 –> 00:35:15,320
’cause they had to have found
some.
606
00:35:15,520 –> 00:35:19,280
Is it disappointing?
No, I was joking.
607
00:35:20,480 –> 00:35:22,920
Because I’m going to say like,
I’m, I’m fine with that.
608
00:35:23,200 –> 00:35:25,320
I think those people’s bodies
have been through enough.
609
00:35:25,480 –> 00:35:30,160
So speaking to just how
different history was by this
610
00:35:30,160 –> 00:35:34,040
point and what the human head
trade was like, this guy is
611
00:35:34,040 –> 00:35:37,120
like, he treats this Cromwell
head like it’s the rarest
612
00:35:37,120 –> 00:35:40,480
Pokémon card of all.
And he’s like, I’m not
613
00:35:40,480 –> 00:35:43,000
displaying this anywhere.
I’ll show it to friends when
614
00:35:43,000 –> 00:35:44,800
they come over.
And that’s what he did.
615
00:35:45,120 –> 00:35:48,880
He would just like, over the
years, friends would come by and
616
00:35:48,880 –> 00:35:52,200
he’d be like, want to see
something cool, you know?
617
00:35:52,200 –> 00:35:53,600
That’s what we’re here for, of
course.
618
00:35:55,360 –> 00:35:57,040
That’s also how I would treat
it.
619
00:35:57,040 –> 00:35:59,960
I would just be like guys a you
want to see this head?
620
00:36:01,480 –> 00:36:04,640
Yeah, like Vladimir Putin does
with Robert Kraft’s Super Bowl
621
00:36:04,640 –> 00:36:05,920
ring.
Exactly.
622
00:36:05,920 –> 00:36:09,360
Just like Vladimir Putin.
That is a fun story.
623
00:36:09,400 –> 00:36:13,440
Robert Kraft is the owner of the
New England Patriots, and this
624
00:36:13,440 –> 00:36:16,120
is what you get for paddling
around with Putin.
625
00:36:16,120 –> 00:36:21,560
I guess he was at some event and
Putin was there, and he takes
626
00:36:21,560 –> 00:36:25,080
off his Super Bowl ring and
shows it to Vladimir Putin, and
627
00:36:25,080 –> 00:36:29,000
Putin just put that shit in his
pocket and has never given it
628
00:36:29,000 –> 00:36:31,800
back.
It is apparently on display at
629
00:36:31,800 –> 00:36:35,760
some library within the Kremlin
or something, you know?
630
00:36:36,320 –> 00:36:39,360
This might be a controversial
opinion, but I think that guy
631
00:36:39,360 –> 00:36:42,640
sucks ass.
I really hate that guy.
632
00:36:42,960 –> 00:36:44,520
Vladimir Putin.
Yes.
633
00:36:45,160 –> 00:36:46,440
No.
Come on.
634
00:36:46,960 –> 00:36:50,240
I know, I know, it’s I I
shouldn’t say such things, but I
635
00:36:50,240 –> 00:36:54,400
do think he’s a huge dickhead.
Controversial opinion?
636
00:36:54,680 –> 00:36:57,880
Yeah, that’s the thing.
Like it’s not a race.
637
00:36:57,880 –> 00:37:01,320
Just because you know the
American government’s bad, that
638
00:37:01,600 –> 00:37:03,200
doesn’t mean Russia’s not
either.
639
00:37:04,160 –> 00:37:09,280
Absolutely away.
It very much goes like most
640
00:37:09,280 –> 00:37:12,440
governments are pretty fun.
Yes, absolutely.
641
00:37:12,640 –> 00:37:14,640
But I think.
But more than his government
642
00:37:14,640 –> 00:37:18,480
being bad, I think he is an
asshole.
643
00:37:18,640 –> 00:37:23,000
Like more than being a bad guy,
an evil dictator, whatever you
644
00:37:23,000 –> 00:37:25,080
want to call him.
I just think he seems like a
645
00:37:25,080 –> 00:37:28,600
Dick.
Oh yeah, and I’m not not
646
00:37:28,600 –> 00:37:33,240
convinced that he, like,
actually orchestrated a false
647
00:37:33,240 –> 00:37:36,960
flag attack on Russia to gain
power.
648
00:37:36,960 –> 00:37:38,600
We did an episode about it,
right?
649
00:37:38,760 –> 00:37:40,880
Yeah.
The Russian apartment bombings.
650
00:37:41,600 –> 00:37:46,120
So over the years, the head is
just like in this Wilkinson
651
00:37:46,120 –> 00:37:50,720
guy’s house, basically.
And then eventually it
652
00:37:50,960 –> 00:37:52,960
resurfaces.
Or no, that.
653
00:37:53,360 –> 00:37:54,680
No, not Wilkinson.
Yet.
654
00:37:55,240 –> 00:37:59,920
God, this is even this is a
confusing moment in British
655
00:37:59,920 –> 00:38:01,440
history.
It’s like, who’s got this guy?
656
00:38:01,440 –> 00:38:03,640
We’re.
We’re we’re still at Dupuis.
657
00:38:03,680 –> 00:38:05,720
No, wait, No.
No, we’re now.
658
00:38:05,760 –> 00:38:09,400
We’re in Russell.
James Cox, Because eventually,
659
00:38:09,920 –> 00:38:12,640
that’s who Russell owed all this
money to.
660
00:38:13,040 –> 00:38:17,920
Russell was the drunkard who
bought Cromwell’s head, thinking
661
00:38:17,920 –> 00:38:22,040
it was going to change his life.
And then James Cox is the name
662
00:38:22,040 –> 00:38:25,840
of the guy who buys it and just
like shows it to friends when
663
00:38:25,840 –> 00:38:28,760
they come over, because that’s
what you did back then.
664
00:38:29,000 –> 00:38:35,000
Eventually the head resurfaces
after James Cox sells it for 200
665
00:38:35,000 –> 00:38:39,000
lbs, which is $6.8 million in
today’s money.
666
00:38:39,160 –> 00:38:41,960
Probably.
Oh wait, I thought you had the
667
00:38:41,960 –> 00:38:45,920
actual conversion there ’cause
no, no, I would not have been
668
00:38:45,960 –> 00:38:48,400
surprised, but that’s like
crazy.
669
00:38:48,720 –> 00:38:53,560
And for years it’s displayed in
a very fashionable part of
670
00:38:53,560 –> 00:38:57,760
London called Mead Court.
Because again, I guess if you’re
671
00:38:57,760 –> 00:38:59,920
collecting heads, this is the
one.
672
00:38:59,960 –> 00:39:02,640
This is the one you want.
For sure people probably
673
00:39:02,640 –> 00:39:07,680
probably the most sought after
severed head in the 1700s.
674
00:39:08,200 –> 00:39:10,960
Arguably, I wouldn’t.
I wouldn’t doubt it.
675
00:39:11,720 –> 00:39:18,520
Listicles from the time confirm.
So in 1813, it was sold once
676
00:39:18,520 –> 00:39:22,480
again to a guy named Josiah
Henry Wilkinson.
677
00:39:22,640 –> 00:39:27,640
And it’s claimed that the people
who owned it there were There
678
00:39:27,640 –> 00:39:30,720
were these three brothers who
owned it when it was displayed
679
00:39:30,720 –> 00:39:33,400
at Meade Court.
It’s claimed that they all died
680
00:39:33,560 –> 00:39:37,080
under mysterious circumstances.
Yeah, and it’s like, well, how
681
00:39:37,080 –> 00:39:39,720
come no one else did?
Can’t.
682
00:39:40,120 –> 00:39:42,840
You can’t call it a curse.
If it only happened to like 1
683
00:39:42,840 –> 00:39:46,080
ownership group, they could have
been cursed by any number of
684
00:39:46,080 –> 00:39:47,880
things they owned.
Exactly.
685
00:39:47,880 –> 00:39:50,000
I mean, if they’re already
collecting severed heads.
686
00:39:50,400 –> 00:39:54,560
Cromwell’s head is innocent is
what I’m getting at exactly, And
687
00:39:54,560 –> 00:39:58,960
so Wilkinson, he also kind of
refrains from publicly
688
00:39:58,960 –> 00:40:04,200
displaying the head, but again,
he does also whip it out at
689
00:40:04,200 –> 00:40:05,680
parties.
I’m saying.
690
00:40:06,480 –> 00:40:09,000
Kids over, apparently.
This is the way to do it.
691
00:40:09,160 –> 00:40:12,240
Yeah, yeah.
It’s a macabre artifact, that’s
692
00:40:12,240 –> 00:40:13,400
for sure.
It reminds.
693
00:40:13,400 –> 00:40:16,520
Blood party trick.
Yeah, along those same lines.
694
00:40:16,520 –> 00:40:20,960
It reminds me of how when I was
a kid, I would often, for
695
00:40:20,960 –> 00:40:24,560
friends who would come over,
whip out this stack of crime
696
00:40:24,560 –> 00:40:29,320
scene photos that might my
grandfather got when he retired
697
00:40:29,400 –> 00:40:33,440
as a cop, someone owed him a
favor.
698
00:40:33,560 –> 00:40:36,520
And for one thing, I don’t even
want to fucking know what that
699
00:40:36,520 –> 00:40:40,320
means in a cop.
Like what?
700
00:40:40,320 –> 00:40:45,880
What favor did someone from the
Crime Lab owe you?
701
00:40:45,880 –> 00:40:47,800
Better.
Than not know.
702
00:40:47,880 –> 00:40:51,880
Yeah, I don’t want to know what
the guy in the crime lab did for
703
00:40:51,880 –> 00:40:57,320
you to repay this favor.
This guy just gave him a stack
704
00:40:57,320 –> 00:41:00,320
of like crime scene and death
scene photos.
705
00:41:00,600 –> 00:41:01,680
Oh.
Great.
706
00:41:01,840 –> 00:41:06,480
And me and my sister just had
access to these things for years
707
00:41:06,480 –> 00:41:09,120
and years and years as kids.
They were just like they were in
708
00:41:09,120 –> 00:41:13,600
a Manila, like a yellow envelope
just sitting around our house
709
00:41:14,000 –> 00:41:16,800
and they were all black.
They were all black and white,
710
00:41:16,800 –> 00:41:20,520
which made it more horrifying,
’cause you had to like, guess at
711
00:41:20,800 –> 00:41:24,080
like, there’s one I can still
see where I I am convinced the
712
00:41:24,080 –> 00:41:27,400
guy had a green sweater on and
had red hair.
713
00:41:27,520 –> 00:41:29,880
And I can still see that fucking
picture.
714
00:41:29,880 –> 00:41:33,840
And it like this kind of reminds
me of that.
715
00:41:34,040 –> 00:41:37,840
Like, that’s not unlike pulling
out a severed head and being
716
00:41:37,840 –> 00:41:40,520
like, hey, cool, right?
It’s like, Nope, you just
717
00:41:40,520 –> 00:41:43,760
scarred me for life.
Yeah, which I bet I did.
718
00:41:43,760 –> 00:41:47,160
But also these people, these
people, again, we’re going to
719
00:41:47,160 –> 00:41:50,120
public executions and shit.
Like death was a little bit more
720
00:41:50,120 –> 00:41:53,880
present in their lives than it
is for us.
721
00:41:53,880 –> 00:41:56,680
So they probably weren’t as
affected by the severed dead,
722
00:41:56,960 –> 00:42:01,120
especially because at this point
it is desiccated and basically
723
00:42:01,120 –> 00:42:04,040
mummified.
Yeah, they’ve seen beheadings,
724
00:42:04,160 –> 00:42:05,000
so.
Exactly.
725
00:42:05,280 –> 00:42:06,240
They’ve seen them.
Refresh.
726
00:42:06,640 –> 00:42:11,400
Yeah, and so there’s a book that
comes out in 1845, Highly
727
00:42:11,400 –> 00:42:13,960
influential.
It’s written about Cromwell kind
728
00:42:13,960 –> 00:42:17,080
of revives his reputation among
the British people.
729
00:42:17,280 –> 00:42:20,920
But the spoil Sport, who writes
that book, also is very
730
00:42:20,920 –> 00:42:24,720
skeptical that the Cromwell head
is really the Cromwell head.
731
00:42:25,160 –> 00:42:27,560
It’s like, shut up narc, let us
have fun.
732
00:42:28,960 –> 00:42:30,480
It’s.
Around this, it’s around this
733
00:42:30,480 –> 00:42:34,920
point that the head they bring
up that the head like made an
734
00:42:34,920 –> 00:42:39,360
appearance with in in like a
circus with General Tom Thumb
735
00:42:39,600 –> 00:42:41,920
and I had the Google General Tom
Thumb.
736
00:42:41,920 –> 00:42:44,160
Have you?
Did you see this guy?
737
00:42:44,360 –> 00:42:46,360
I did not Google general Tom
Thumb.
738
00:42:47,000 –> 00:42:50,600
I I highly recommend.
There’s some great photos out
739
00:42:50,600 –> 00:42:54,080
there.
Some old timey photos of a guy
740
00:42:54,080 –> 00:42:57,840
of General Tom Thumb who was
adopted by PT Barnum and
741
00:42:58,040 –> 00:43:00,440
performed in his circus.
Just interesting.
742
00:43:00,440 –> 00:43:02,200
An interesting little side
tangent.
743
00:43:02,320 –> 00:43:04,800
Yeah, I’ve heard the name.
I just.
744
00:43:05,560 –> 00:43:07,640
There’s Tom.
Thumb like he’s named after the
745
00:43:07,640 –> 00:43:09,800
story of Tom Thumb.
Oh, OK.
746
00:43:09,960 –> 00:43:12,000
OK.
But but he because he’s a little
747
00:43:12,000 –> 00:43:18,240
person and they would dress him
up like Napoleon and shit and
748
00:43:18,240 –> 00:43:20,560
like trot him out, it’s kind of
great.
749
00:43:20,600 –> 00:43:22,280
Again, there’s some really
excellent.
750
00:43:25,760 –> 00:43:27,120
Oh, what a home.
There’s.
751
00:43:27,640 –> 00:43:30,960
Some really good shit.
I I don’t remember exactly why
752
00:43:30,960 –> 00:43:34,920
he came up and we’re not going
to talk anymore about him, but
753
00:43:34,920 –> 00:43:40,080
like, I did want to mention him.
Yeah, he around this point in
754
00:43:40,080 –> 00:43:43,840
the documentary when they bring
up that book and how it kind of
755
00:43:44,040 –> 00:43:46,240
revived Cromwell’s image a
little bit.
756
00:43:46,400 –> 00:43:48,600
Yeah.
This is where the documentary
757
00:43:48,600 –> 00:43:52,920
starts jumping around.
But the I just thought of how
758
00:43:52,920 –> 00:43:56,280
appropriate it is to say that
the documentary is jumping
759
00:43:56,280 –> 00:43:58,760
around because let’s talk about
Ireland.
760
00:43:58,960 –> 00:44:03,840
They certainly do not share the
same sentiment about James or
761
00:44:03,840 –> 00:44:06,320
about Oliver Cromwell.
James Cromwell, probably.
762
00:44:06,440 –> 00:44:08,040
He’s well.
They like James Cromwell.
763
00:44:08,360 –> 00:44:12,280
Yeah, Oliver Cromwell, on the
other hand, he did bad, bad
764
00:44:12,280 –> 00:44:18,040
things in Ireland.
And I understand why Ireland
765
00:44:18,040 –> 00:44:21,680
looks at him a little
differently than some people in
766
00:44:21,680 –> 00:44:25,680
the rest of that part of the
world might, because he there’s
767
00:44:25,680 –> 00:44:28,920
a guy who’s just kind of like,
yeah, I mean, he participated in
768
00:44:28,920 –> 00:44:30,640
some ethnic cleansing, but he’s
not.
769
00:44:32,520 –> 00:44:37,040
Look, if you’re Irish and
talking about English figures
770
00:44:37,040 –> 00:44:39,440
from the past, you kind of have
to like.
771
00:44:39,440 –> 00:44:42,560
That’s just how it goes.
Like, there are way worse
772
00:44:42,560 –> 00:44:45,560
English monsters than Oliver
Cromwell, but he’s still
773
00:44:45,560 –> 00:44:50,560
committed ethnic cleansing.
Yeah, and it’s suggested that
774
00:44:50,560 –> 00:44:55,120
Oliver Cromwell was kind of the
head of a sort of British
775
00:44:55,120 –> 00:45:00,880
Taliban at during his reign.
Sure, yeah.
776
00:45:01,520 –> 00:45:06,200
That kind of sounds right, like
he was way into like, no
777
00:45:06,200 –> 00:45:08,720
Christmas.
He was a Puritan, yeah.
778
00:45:08,760 –> 00:45:10,240
He was.
He was a Puritan.
779
00:45:10,240 –> 00:45:11,560
And you know what?
Fuck that.
780
00:45:11,960 –> 00:45:14,480
I like that he has cigars named
after him now.
781
00:45:14,480 –> 00:45:15,680
That’s very funny.
He.
782
00:45:15,880 –> 00:45:18,440
Has Cigars and Booze named after
him.
783
00:45:19,760 –> 00:45:23,560
That is ideal.
But also, yeah, it seems like,
784
00:45:23,720 –> 00:45:28,160
Like I say that’s ideal, but
also like, imagine you’re Irish
785
00:45:28,280 –> 00:45:33,480
and you’re like, yeah, that’s
not really ideal, Like he did
786
00:45:33,480 –> 00:45:37,160
still do all that stuff.
He did still do all that stuff,
787
00:45:37,160 –> 00:45:39,720
yes.
Yeah, I think I fall on the side
788
00:45:39,720 –> 00:45:42,680
of him being mostly bad, Very
bad.
789
00:45:42,680 –> 00:45:47,080
I mean, what you know, from my
limited understanding, yeah, I I
790
00:45:47,640 –> 00:45:52,560
I feel pretty confident calling
basically any member of the
791
00:45:52,560 –> 00:45:57,760
ruling class in Britain from
like the last 600 years of a
792
00:45:58,000 –> 00:45:59,120
piece of shit.
I don’t.
793
00:45:59,120 –> 00:46:01,640
I don’t think I’m going to be
proven wrong on any of that.
794
00:46:02,600 –> 00:46:05,640
And they get into all this and
it’s interesting, but at the
795
00:46:05,640 –> 00:46:08,240
same time, I’m watching this
documentary and I’m like, yeah,
796
00:46:08,320 –> 00:46:10,760
but where’s his head at?
Yeah, I want to know more about
797
00:46:10,760 –> 00:46:13,360
this head, please.
Where his head go.
798
00:46:13,560 –> 00:46:16,640
And around this time it was
apparently still in the
799
00:46:16,640 –> 00:46:18,560
possession of that Wilkinson
guy.
800
00:46:18,800 –> 00:46:22,160
Yeah, and there’s lots of
interviews with British
801
00:46:22,160 –> 00:46:25,480
politicians who are probably all
huge pieces of shit because
802
00:46:25,480 –> 00:46:27,760
there are some.
There’s there’s one guy who I
803
00:46:27,760 –> 00:46:30,320
can just tell from the look on
his face.
804
00:46:30,320 –> 00:46:32,200
Are we talking?
We might be thinking about the
805
00:46:32,240 –> 00:46:34,640
same guy.
Yeah, he’s got a suit on.
806
00:46:34,840 –> 00:46:36,880
He’s not.
The guy with the suit and the
807
00:46:37,120 –> 00:46:41,440
and the the the sneeze, the
sneer who’s like I am a
808
00:46:41,440 –> 00:46:46,200
conservative and I like to claim
Oliver Cromwell.
809
00:46:46,520 –> 00:46:50,400
Yeah, yeah, he’s, he’s talking
about Oliver Cromwell in a way I
810
00:46:50,400 –> 00:46:52,800
don’t like.
Yeah, he’s like, he wasn’t all
811
00:46:52,800 –> 00:46:56,000
bad, you know, it’s.
And there’s a lot of, no, he
812
00:46:56,000 –> 00:46:57,640
didn’t do that.
Parliament did.
813
00:46:58,040 –> 00:47:02,600
It’s like, OK, OK.
It there, I I like the guy who
814
00:47:02,600 –> 00:47:05,560
was like, yeah, you know, it’s
it’s always kind of funny when
815
00:47:05,800 –> 00:47:10,840
people try to apply modern
political standards to a figure
816
00:47:10,840 –> 00:47:14,320
from so long ago.
And if the Tories want to claim
817
00:47:14,960 –> 00:47:18,440
Oliver Cromwell did, more power
to them, which I found the
818
00:47:18,440 –> 00:47:20,760
really funny line.
Yeah, yeah.
819
00:47:20,960 –> 00:47:26,240
So in 1911, the Royal
Archaeological Institute somehow
820
00:47:26,240 –> 00:47:31,240
gets their grubby paws on the
Cromwell head, and they can’t
821
00:47:31,240 –> 00:47:34,960
really make any determination as
to whether it’s real or not.
822
00:47:35,080 –> 00:47:38,120
Well then World War One starts,
and they’ve got other shit to
823
00:47:38,120 –> 00:47:40,480
worry about.
They have bigger fish to fry, so
824
00:47:40,480 –> 00:47:43,400
they don’t pick that thread back
up until the 1930s.
825
00:47:43,720 –> 00:47:45,560
Right when things they’re way
more calm.
826
00:47:45,920 –> 00:47:49,520
Yeah, yeah.
We didn’t have anything going on
827
00:47:49,720 –> 00:47:51,800
by the 1930s.
Yeah.
828
00:47:51,800 –> 00:47:53,040
What were they?
Why even?
829
00:47:53,040 –> 00:47:56,480
Why in the 1930s were they even?
It’s like, what are you doing?
830
00:47:57,760 –> 00:48:00,240
Again, but this is the thing
like it.
831
00:48:00,280 –> 00:48:04,560
It pops up and then interest
dies down again until after that
832
00:48:04,560 –> 00:48:08,960
war, basically.
And they aren’t really able to
833
00:48:08,960 –> 00:48:12,520
determine much.
But eventually they do figure
834
00:48:12,520 –> 00:48:14,680
out that this probably is
Cromwell’s head.
835
00:48:14,840 –> 00:48:19,120
Because again, the order in
which the events happened, like
836
00:48:19,480 –> 00:48:22,760
most people were not embalmed
and then beheaded.
837
00:48:22,840 –> 00:48:25,160
You were normally backed and
then embalmed.
838
00:48:25,240 –> 00:48:29,280
Well, or or I think that the
main argument is most of the
839
00:48:29,280 –> 00:48:32,040
people who were getting beheaded
were getting embalmed at all.
840
00:48:32,200 –> 00:48:35,440
Because they weren’t honored
like people.
841
00:48:35,800 –> 00:48:40,840
So the fact that this head was
embalmed in before it was before
842
00:48:40,840 –> 00:48:44,360
it was removed from the body,
like shows that it was given an
843
00:48:44,360 –> 00:48:48,560
honorable rest before being
exhumed.
844
00:48:48,600 –> 00:48:50,640
Yeah, which tracks with the
story.
845
00:48:50,960 –> 00:48:57,240
And I do like this last detail
in April 1957, the Wilkinson who
846
00:48:57,240 –> 00:49:00,400
was in charge of the head by
this point because it stayed in
847
00:49:00,400 –> 00:49:03,120
the Wilkinson family, it seems
for a long time.
848
00:49:04,120 –> 00:49:07,600
And again they would just whip
it out like, OK, I know why
849
00:49:07,600 –> 00:49:08,360
you’re here.
Can we at?
850
00:49:08,360 –> 00:49:10,320
Least play one board.
Game first.
851
00:49:12,040 –> 00:49:17,240
Eventually he dies and his kids
are like, you know what?
852
00:49:17,360 –> 00:49:20,200
Let’s break the cycle.
Let’s let’s get Oliver
853
00:49:20,200 –> 00:49:22,800
Cromwell’s head out of our home.
Right.
854
00:49:23,000 –> 00:49:25,480
Well, they’re moving and they’re
like, well, we gotta, we can’t
855
00:49:25,480 –> 00:49:27,160
pack everything.
We got to get rid of this
856
00:49:27,160 –> 00:49:28,920
goddamn head.
Yeah.
857
00:49:28,920 –> 00:49:33,160
They actually have like 800
embalmed heads and like we, we
858
00:49:33,160 –> 00:49:35,240
have two Cromwells, We’re going
to give one away.
859
00:49:35,240 –> 00:49:38,440
It’s fine.
I think ours is the real one.
860
00:49:38,560 –> 00:49:43,480
They end up giving it to Sydney
Sussex College, which is a
861
00:49:43,480 –> 00:49:49,400
Cambridge school that Cromwell
was tied to, and they go like
862
00:49:49,400 –> 00:49:53,360
the KFC Original recipe route,
they bury it.
863
00:49:53,440 –> 00:49:57,280
One person knows the north-south
coordinates, one person knows
864
00:49:57,280 –> 00:50:01,320
the East West coordinates, and
those people both work at the
865
00:50:01,320 –> 00:50:05,400
school and they’re the only ones
who know it until right, they
866
00:50:05,400 –> 00:50:08,800
move on from that position and
then their successor finds out.
867
00:50:08,960 –> 00:50:11,360
That’s that’s so fun.
I love this.
868
00:50:12,720 –> 00:50:16,080
Yeah, it is fun, and it seems
like a system that could very
869
00:50:16,080 –> 00:50:18,360
easily lead to him just being
lost.
870
00:50:18,640 –> 00:50:21,160
Absolutely.
There’s no chance that this
871
00:50:21,160 –> 00:50:25,080
lasts forever.
Yeah, one of those people is
872
00:50:25,080 –> 00:50:28,720
going to have like, an
unexpected car accident and
873
00:50:28,720 –> 00:50:30,880
someone’s going to be like, They
wrote it down though, right?
874
00:50:31,040 –> 00:50:33,720
They wrote down the coordinates.
Nope.
875
00:50:33,720 –> 00:50:35,840
Nope, sorry.
Sorry.
876
00:50:36,040 –> 00:50:37,640
Sorry.
That’s fine.
877
00:50:37,680 –> 00:50:39,200
That’s OK.
That’s a good place.
878
00:50:39,320 –> 00:50:43,320
I think that is a a perfectly
fine place for the story of this
879
00:50:43,320 –> 00:50:46,240
dude’s head to finish.
Yeah.
880
00:50:46,240 –> 00:50:49,920
And it yeah, I I like that.
It adds a little air of mystery
881
00:50:50,280 –> 00:50:53,520
to it.
Like, yeah, we generally know
882
00:50:53,520 –> 00:50:56,000
where it is.
It’s at that school somewhere,
883
00:50:56,280 –> 00:50:58,520
right?
Also, just the school taking
884
00:50:58,520 –> 00:51:01,240
that on and being like, yeah,
we’re gonna bury this dude’s
885
00:51:01,240 –> 00:51:04,720
head somewhere.
I count it is the worst thing
886
00:51:04,720 –> 00:51:09,360
that is buried on the grounds of
this Cambridge college.
887
00:51:10,440 –> 00:51:13,200
Probably.
And so that’s That’s where we
888
00:51:13,200 –> 00:51:15,960
stand with Oliver Cromwell’s
head.
889
00:51:16,160 –> 00:51:19,320
If you find it, please let us
know.
890
00:51:19,760 –> 00:51:21,000
Yeah.
Conspiracy.
891
00:51:21,000 –> 00:51:23,760
The show.
Send send it to our PO Box.
892
00:51:24,280 –> 00:51:28,920
Yeah, we do have one.
So yeah, actually I don’t want
893
00:51:28,920 –> 00:51:31,320
it because someone will just
send us a head and be like, no,
894
00:51:31,360 –> 00:51:35,400
it’s.
Well, it’s Why is it dripping?
895
00:51:38,320 –> 00:51:44,480
Why does he have face tattoos?
So I think that’s our episode,
896
00:51:44,480 –> 00:51:46,840
this documentary.
I mean, it’s an interesting
897
00:51:46,840 –> 00:51:49,320
story.
I feel like we probably told it
898
00:51:49,320 –> 00:51:51,840
a little more interestingly than
the documentary does.
899
00:51:51,920 –> 00:51:55,920
But you can watch it.
It’s on BBC Select.
900
00:51:55,920 –> 00:51:59,720
You can watch it for free, get
that free trial, see what else
901
00:51:59,720 –> 00:52:01,120
is out there.
I bet there’s some other good
902
00:52:01,120 –> 00:52:03,760
shit.
It’s if it’s home, 66 minutes.
903
00:52:04,280 –> 00:52:07,000
Yeah, it’s a short documentary.
I appreciate that.
904
00:52:07,000 –> 00:52:11,000
It’s not like multiple episodes,
which I’m sure they were tempted
905
00:52:11,120 –> 00:52:13,520
everyone to pull episodes these
days.
906
00:52:14,440 –> 00:52:18,000
But hey, that is our sewed
Olivia.
907
00:52:18,000 –> 00:52:20,680
Thank you so much.
Thank you for having me of.
908
00:52:21,120 –> 00:52:25,160
Course, what do we have to plug
before we get out of here?
909
00:52:26,520 –> 00:52:29,640
You don’t show dot link slash
store.
910
00:52:29,880 –> 00:52:34,840
We have a bunch of shirts on
sale and we have Unpops Forever
911
00:52:34,840 –> 00:52:37,360
drives on sale.
That is a hard drive that has
912
00:52:37,360 –> 00:52:41,400
every podcast episode the
network has released on it.
913
00:52:41,400 –> 00:52:44,520
It’s over 100 gigabytes.
Holy shit.
914
00:52:45,400 –> 00:52:46,880
Yeah, yeah.
So.
915
00:52:47,240 –> 00:52:50,280
Or retain that history
somewhere, Give it to a museum
916
00:52:50,280 –> 00:52:53,400
someday in the future, and
that’s all.
917
00:52:53,680 –> 00:52:56,360
Oh yeah.
Adam Todd brown.substack.com
918
00:52:56,560 –> 00:52:58,360
Follow me there, Olivia.
What do you got to plug?
919
00:52:59,160 –> 00:53:02,600
Nothing.
Nothing really.
920
00:53:02,600 –> 00:53:05,400
My my Twitter accounts on
private.
921
00:53:05,560 –> 00:53:08,160
I mean, you can find me on
letterbox if you care, but no
922
00:53:08,160 –> 00:53:10,960
one does, so no.
I think you mean your ex
923
00:53:10,960 –> 00:53:14,160
account.
No, my Twitter account is
924
00:53:14,160 –> 00:53:16,040
locked.
My Ex account is still very
925
00:53:16,040 –> 00:53:18,880
active.
Perfect.
926
00:53:19,840 –> 00:53:21,160
And all right, let’s get the
fuck out of here.
927
00:53:21,160 –> 00:53:22,240
Olivia.
Say goodbye.
928
00:53:22,440 –> 00:53:24,520
Bye.
Goodbye everybody.
929
00:53:24,520 –> 00:53:33,080
We love you, people of Earth.
Your planet just has to be
930
00:53:33,080 –> 00:53:33,840
destroyed.
Your planet has.
931
00:53:35,080 –> 00:53:45,360
Got.
To be destroyed.