Conspiracy! The Show 280: The CIA and the Entertainment Industry

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Welcome to Conspiracy the Show,
the world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast with
your hosts Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia Hydar.
Hey everybody.

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Welcome to Conspiracy the show.
I’m your host, Adam Todd Brown.

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Joining me is Co host.
This week I got a guest.

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Co host Zach Johnston is here.
Happy to be back and back to

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talk about CIA and all that
wonderful intrigue and

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entertainment.
It’s so fun.

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It’s one of my favorite topics.
Everyone knows Zach you’ve been

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on three Times Now.
Maybe.

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Probably more than that.
Yeah, something like 3-4

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returning champion Zach Johnson.
It’s funny because this, I mean,

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people read the the title of the
episode, but this sort of came

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up just in chit chat because
it’s sort of people tend to be

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very dismissive whenever CIA is
brought up around an

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entertainer, whether it be
Katherine Bigelow or Taylor

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Swift or anything like that.
And they’re so dismissive about

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what the CIA does, where it’s
this thing doing it.

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Do people not understand what
they do?

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So we started talking about the
history of the CIA working in

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the arts and how it’s some of
it’s very obvious, and the CIA

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talks about it themselves.
And this sort of came to

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fruition just looking at that
and hopefully get a little

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education for people of how
deeply the CIA has always been

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entrenched in the arts and
especially music.

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Yeah, and not always to the
detriment of the arts, as we’ll

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find sometimes.
They’re just like, oh, that’s

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good for us if that gets
popular.

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So they’ll put money behind it.
Not CIA money.

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They don’t send you an envelope
of cash with the CIA stamped on

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it.
But how much of the money that

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you need so you can flourish?
Yeah, It’s sort of the thing

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where we understand shell
companies exist, but think that

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Donald Trump is the only one to
making a shell company when it’s

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like, no, CIA has tons of shell
companies.

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They have production companies
and they have record labels and

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they have art houses and
galleries and things all over

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the world and in the United
States and have been doing so

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since they started.
And here’s the thing.

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They fucking better.
As much tax money as we spend on

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them, They got damn better have
all of that shit.

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All of them.
Yeah, and it’s sort of.

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There’s a slight irony to the
fact that a lot of the great art

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created in the 20th century was
able to become great art because

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CIA was secretly funding it,
like with the modern art scene

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or the jazz scene and things
like that.

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Where where would those art
scenes have been without that

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massive amount of money they
would influx into their?

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What is interesting to me is how
many articles and stories like

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this come directly from the CI
AS website, right?

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They’re not ashamed of it at
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It’s interesting in that I think
it’s hangover from the Cold War

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where it’s like we still have
this idea that we were

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absolutely the good guys
fighting the evil Empire, and so

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it’s something to be very proud
of.

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This is going to be looked back
in history as great.

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Yeah, I don’t know if I agree.
I don’t know if I agree with

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them.
Be like history might one day

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look poorly upon the CIA unless
they just orchestrate some coup

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that puts them in power forever.
Which which comes on, they

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wouldn’t.
Yeah, they wouldn’t do that

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after they clearly tried it in
1980 with Reagan.

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No.
Yeah, and that was a failure,

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right?
Nothing ever came with that.

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The CIA had never became
president, right?

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Now, yeah.
And Reagan was really paunch and

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pushing back on everything the
CIA wanted to do in the 80s,

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especially in Latin America.
Stuff like that.

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Yeah.
Oh man, yeah, it’s sort of.

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That’s why, and I think part of
it is people simply don’t know.

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You can’t expect everybody to
know everything about how the

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intelligence community in the US
works here or abroad.

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People simply you can’t follow
everything.

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And so that’s kind of why we’re
here because it this stuff

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starts at the beginning of even
the pre CIA, the OSS, where

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should we just jump right in
with the miles.

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Yeah.
So Miles Copeland Junior, who’s

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one of the Co founders of the
CIA through the OSS, huge jazz

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guy, huge musician lover, just
love jazz to the huge degree.

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And I think what’s important to
understand about the creation of

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the CIA with these Co founding
members, whether they were Nazis

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or Americans or what have you is
that they specifically recruited

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people who were journalists, who
were movie producers, who were

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writers, who were artists who
were into all of these

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communities already.
They didn’t just go and be like

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hey we’re going to just grab
people randomly off the street

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who are in law enforcement.
They specifically you would pull

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people out of these communities
that they already existed in.

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And so part of that was with
Michael Copeland who was this

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huge in the jazz scene.
He sort of, of course he worked

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in the Middle East and things
like that has his whole career.

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But part of the reason people
like him are pulled in is

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because they already had contact
in those scenes and could use

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those people to their benefit.
So if you even look at without

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getting too far off track here
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music.
But you know the original Animal

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Farm film that was produced in
the UK that was funded by the

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CIA, the CIA actually went to
Sonia Orwell and got the rights

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from her based on her wanting to
meet Clark Gable.

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And the CIA set up that meeting
so they could buy the rights and

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then funded that film fully and
changed the end to make it

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purely anti communist.
So that’s the sort of shit that

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the CIA started with.
I mean that’s in the 50s.

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Such a long time ago.
Right.

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And of course, they’re not doing
that now in film.

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But no.
And what I find interesting

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about Miles Copeland, I don’t
think we’ve even said it yet,

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but he is the father of Stewart
Copeland, who was the drummer in

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The Police.
And I think that is the kind of

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coincidence that people don’t
take seriously enough.

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One of the things you will read
a lot if you start delving into

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the CIA and their various
shenanigans over the years.

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They love a family band.
Movies make it seem like the CIA

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guy is going home and being
like, no, I don’t want you to

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know what I’m up to.
Bullshit.

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He’s going home and
indoctrinating that shit into

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his whole family.
So they fucking do CIA shit too.

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You saw that with Jonestown.
Aside from Jim Jones, that

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entire upper level, all the
management, all came from one

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family, a Layton family.
And in this case, you get Miles

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Copeland Junior, one of the
founding members of the CIA.

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He’s got a son, Stewart, who’s
in a band called the police.

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For one thing, it’s like these
motherfuckers think they’re

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slick.
I know, right?

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Think about when the police
arrive on the scene, right when

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the punk movement is starting.
The police are magically right

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there, and we’re supposed to
take it as total coincidence

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that the founder of the CIA’s
son just happens to be in a band

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that stumbles upon the scene
right when Punk is taking off,

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and then his other son, Miles
Copeland the third, starts a

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record label.
That is where the cutting edge

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of the New Wave movement.
So at what point do you accept

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that that’s not a coincidence,
and that maybe the guy who

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played drums on every breath you
take is also in the fucking CIA?

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And also every breath you take
famously about 1984 Georgia

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Orwell’s book is it.
Yes, that’s specifically about

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that book.
It’s about it’s yeah, it’s the

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government or Big Brother
watching you every breath you

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take.
And I’d always heard it was

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about a stalker.
Well, Big Brother is a stalker.

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Yeah, I guess it’s about a
stalker.

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Yeah, it’s the sort of thing
where, yeah, Sting and I think

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Copeland are both.
You can look up on Trooper,

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whatever when they talk about
making that song.

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It’s specifically about 1984,
which again coincidence.

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I mean come on, that’s a book
that the CIA used through the

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USIA extensively throughout the
world when we put them in our

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American libraries because it’s
such a anti communist book,

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perceived anti authoritarianism.
But whatever, we’re not that

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nuanced sometimes and that’s
just it.

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I think Miles the Third actually
says in an interview that’s on

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the CIA website.
It’s like I had a choice that I

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could go and CIA like my dad, or
I could go into music and I

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chose to go into music.
I’m like, if you have that

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choice, you’re already in the
CIA, dude.

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Absolutely.
And also, your dad did both.

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Why can’t you do both?
Oh yeah, and just not say you’re

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doing the other side because
it’s more fun that way.

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And people fail to take into
account that the CI, as original

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and still kind of their mission,
is just gathering information

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and figuring out what to do with
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And the gathering of that
information takes a lot of

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people.
And so sometimes a person’s job

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is just, hey, monitor this
fucking magazine or listen to

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this podcast or watch this
foreign TV show and if you see

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anything that you think we would
want to know about, just pass it

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along.
Sometimes it’s just that being

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ACIA asset doesn’t always mean
you’re Jack Reacher or whatever

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the fuck.
I don’t know.

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Is Jack Reacher CIA guy then?
Some of this is so on the nose.

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CIA literally has a department
that’s the psychological warfare

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department.
Yeah.

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It’s how like, how do you get
around the fact that, well, how

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do you do that then if you’re
going to do psychological

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warfare, that’s not shooting
guns, that’s not beating people

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up in the streets and stabbing
people with poison pens.

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That’s using media and culture
to fuck with people’s brains to

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get them to think the way you
want to think.

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Yeah, I think one of the biggest
misconceptions about the 50s and

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60s is that nothing came of MK
Ultra in the pushback you always

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get with MK Ultra because that
before it was discovered huge

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conspiracy theory and then we
find out it’s real.

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In the pushback you always get
is nothing came of it and they

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were just trying to work on
interrogation techniques and one

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that shit lasted decades.
It would not have lasted decades

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if nothing ever, ever, ever came
of it.

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And I know people don’t want to
think about it.

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Maybe, but look at all these
weird assassinations that

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happened especially on into the
80s.

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John Lennon, The attempted
assassination of Reagan.

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It’s all very MK Ultra shit.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the

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CIA wrote Catcher in the Rye.
JD Salinger writes one book and

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then fucks off forever.
Yeah, why ’cause he went back to

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his desk job.
Right, but they’re always so on

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the nose with this stuff.
Like I said with the animal

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farms thing, they were proud
that they produced that film and

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made it an anti colonymous
stone.

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Did you watch that John Lennon
documentary on Apple TV about

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his death?
I did not.

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It’s interesting.
I understand that London’s a

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weird figure to begin with, but
taking that away, the whole Mark

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David Chapman thing is just so
fucking weird.

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The whole way the murder went
down is so weird where he just

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sat there and started reading
the book after he shot him.

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And then Milton fucking Klein of
all people.

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Milton Klein, the psychologist
behind MK Ultra for CIA, was the

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only psychologist that was
brought in to interview him.

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After he brought him in to
interview him, Mark David

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Chapman had a massive freak out
where he was climbing the walls

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and then a couple days later
went completely silent and said

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I’m guilty.
God told me to say I’m guilty.

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Hmm odd that MK Ultra got
involved and that happened.

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Must be a coincidence.
That all sounds like coincidence

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to me.
What the hell people?

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Of course something came from MK
Ultra.

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We got robot assassins out of
it, it seems like.

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Seems like especially and they
actually addressed this in the

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second episode of that
documentary pretty deeply.

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They don’t go so far to say that
it’s provable, but it’s weird.

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It’s so fucking weird that if
all the people in New York, all

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the psychologists they could
have brought in with this, they

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brought in Milton Klein.
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at John Lennon, he was a huge
force in New York.

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He had 10s of thousands of
people protesting in the streets

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and he was coming out of
retirement.

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And all those interviews John
Lennon was doing in 1980 was

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going right back on that of,
hey, we can’t be apathetic

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against this government.
We have to get back in the

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streets and we have to fight
this war machine.

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And two weeks later, he’s dead.
Yeah, I don’t know how you write

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stuff like that off as a
coincidence and one that we

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forgot to mention.
Bob Marley we did in episode a

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while back.
It had all these weird audio

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issues.
We should almost do it again.

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But it was about a Netflix
documentary that is about the

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time Bob Marley was almost
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think 7676 or 78.
That part’s not important.

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But what is important is the
cameraman who was documenting

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this concert that Bob Marley was
putting on used to work for the

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CIA and people are you, are we
really supposed to be like, oh,

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well, that’s nothing they did
say used to.

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So he doesn’t work, just CIA
now.

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It’s like, fuck it.
Of course he does.

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And just as if by magic, Bob
Marley almost gets assassinated

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while that guy’s around.
No fucking figure.

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Go figure.
And then coincidentally gets

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form of cancer that kills him
immediately.

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Yeah.
Which I mean, yeah, that

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coincidence.
To be clear, coincidences do

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happen like that.
People get sick and die.

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Also CIA.
Very well known for getting

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people sick and dying.
Yeah, exactly.

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I mean, they are on the record
during the Church Committee of

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Being like, hey, we use these
toxins to kill people.

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I mean, they literally show it.
Yeah, if I think the next piece

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of conspiracy, the show merch I
want to produce for no one to

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buy, hey, don’t mind us, we
don’t need to make extra money

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or anything would be a shirt
with the shellfish toxin gun on

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it.
Yeah, that would be.

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That’s going to be a
conversation starter if you wear

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that out in public.
Yeah.

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But people are going to be like
what movies that from and you

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get to say, the Church committee
hearings.

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Go look that up.
That’s from real life, mother

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fuckers.
But so with what Copeland sort

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of started in the 50s, which I
think is pertinent to today

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because it has not changed, is
using musicians and artists

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unwittingly again.
Nobody’s nobody took Louis

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Armstrong or Pollock to Langley
and was like, hey, you’re going

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to work for us now to be a
patriotic American.

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When I was living in Prague,
there’s a huge historical pride

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in the fact that all these black
jazz musicians came to Prague in

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the 1960s and did concerts.
You know, Billie Holiday, Louis

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Armstrong, Miles Davis, all
these huge black artists who in

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their point of view, it was like
this was a place where they

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could come and do their music
without racism, basically.

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Yes, and.
What was what we found out was

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actually happening is people
like Copeland and CIA was shell

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funding them to go there to show
how Great American culture was

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as part of of the Cold War.
And obviously they were going to

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be on Prague, they were going to
Poland, they were going to

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Congo, they were going to, yeah,
they’re going to the Middle

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East, Lebanon, they’re going to
Indonesia.

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And some of it gets really,
really dark beyond low.

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They’re just going there to show
off American culture.

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A lot of it was using, and this
is all documented on the CIA

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website caa.gov This isn’t stuff
that’s on some Reddit thread.

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This is, this is stuff where
it’s like, no, this is what we

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did and we’re proud of it.
And you know, why wouldn’t they

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be?
Because it is technically their

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job.
And that’s why even I know there

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are people being sent out right
now.

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Again, I mentioned that
Department of Defense group.

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They have more undercover
operatives than the CIA, or so

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the CIA would like us to
believe.

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What do you think they’re doing?
You think you’re not showing up

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when something weird’s happening
in the United States that the

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government might want to get a
handle on?

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I’ve said it so many times.
If you’re doing anything counter

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to the government, no matter how
small, be very suspicious when

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new people show up wanting to
help out because that could so

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easily be the government.
Don’t get hung up on this idea

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that I would never have enough
of an ego to think the

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government would want to follow
me.

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Yeah, they would.
Yeah, they would.

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They.
You never know what you might

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fucking blossom into if they
don’t nip that shit in the bud.

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Especially if you have a
following, because even a small

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following can turn into a
movement so easily.

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I mean, just this is a kind of
dumb example, but look at

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somebody like Joe Rogan, who
went from being a comedian, UFC

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fight color commentator to
having the biggest audience in

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the fucking country that you’re
that’s dangerous.

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Whether it doesn’t matter what
side anybody’s on or where it

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falls.
It’s dangerous to the status quo

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because it’s somebody new.
You don’t know what the fuck

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they’re going to say, what
they’re going to do with their

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audience.
Going back to John Lennon, look

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what he did with his audience.
He turned Beatles fans into

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people who were marching in the
streets and 10s of thousands in

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the streets of Manhattan against
the war, you know, so, and I

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don’t care what anybody says,
people like Taylor Swift today,

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she could change an election.
They talk about this in the

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Guardian when all that psyop
shit was going on last year

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where it’s like, no, people are
like, yeah, I will, I would

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March with her and I would vote
differently if she told me to.

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And that sort of got lost in the
US.

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The UK 10 or the Guardian tends
to report stuff like that a

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little bit better because they
are owned by a charitable trust,

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they’re not owned by a
conglomerate corporation, makes

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it a little bit different.
And their trust is only

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journalists instead of people
who are also on the board of

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Raytheon and DuPont and Boeing.
And and so you see a little bit

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better journalism there.
Not that it’s perfect, but

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that’s real.
That is 100% real.

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Taylor Swift had a look at the
Golden Globes and probably put

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Joy Coy’s career back a decade.
That’s power, dude.

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And game recognized game.
And think about what we always

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hear about elections in the
United States.

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Right now it’s we’re all voting.
I mean we’re not all voting, but

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no matter how many of us are
voting coming down to like 1020

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thousand votes in a few
different states.

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So it doesn’t take a huge
following to push that kind of

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needle where maybe you only have
sway over 3 or 4000 people, but

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what if you’re part of a bigger
collective and they’re all

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saying that same thing and they
all have that smaller following

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that’s going to amount to a
bigger following.

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The government has the resources
to send people out to all of

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them, every single one of them.
The government has someone they

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can send your way who will fuck
shit up.

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And we’ve been doing it and it’s
documented very well.

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We’ve been doing it.
I mean Elvis, we had FBI in his

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entourage.
I mean if you look at even the

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hip hop scene, there’s so many
connections to both the CIAFBI,

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various other organizations,
DEA, blah, blah blah.

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In the 80s and 90s through the
crack cocaine epidemic which was

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fairly well documented to be CIA
backed.

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But also through the so-called
secret meetings that people like

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Ice Cube talk about, where CIA
helped direct Hip Hop away from

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public policy and social justice
and change towards doctor, Dre

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says in an MFS.
I’m a rap about big screen TV’s

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and bitches and parties.
Here’s my thing about Ice Cube

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saying that I’ve always had a
pet conspiracy theory that Ice

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Cube is actually the government.
So I’m in from Ice Cube.

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I believe it because I feel like
he’s the one the government went

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to and was like hey, you want to
maybe change rap music for us a

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little bit, We’ll tell you what
to do.

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You think you’re the guy to do
it and like fucking ramification

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free career that anti Semite has
had, That’s.

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What I was going to say it’s
like he’s somebody gets away

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with.
Absolutely.

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The Mel Gibson of rap and you
can talk about love and Ice Cube

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all you want and almost never
will anyone be like, oh so you

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fucking hate Jews right?
But Mel Gibson say you love a

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Mel Gibson movie.
People are going to be like you

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fucking animal, you fucking
monster, right?

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Yeah.
And I think that’s might be part

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of it because he put out that
diss track where he’s very

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anti-Semitic and what was that,
89 or something like that.

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And I bet that was just like,
it’s like a dog whistle for CIA

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where it’s like, oh, we can get
to this guy.

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Oh man, the album that song is
on.

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He kind of predicted that LA
riots.

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There’s a song on there called
Black Korea that, for one thing,

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is just objectively racist.
It is about a minute and a half

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of the most racist shit you will
ever hear.

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He never gets called to task for
it.

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He gets to do fucking kids
movies.

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I’m telling you, I think Ice
Cube is the government.

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Yeah, there’s something there
that gives him a that hall pass

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man and it.
And going back to the early

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years of the CIA and with
musicians, that was the point.

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These people got hall passes
because they were indirectly

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again indirectly working for the
government.

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And you look at somebody like
Louis Armstrong.

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He got to do this shit all
around the world.

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And when I say it gets dark is
when he went to Congo.

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Inadvertently he was responsible
for Lubumba getting assassinated

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and removed A and Mobutu coming
in and completely fucking that

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country over to this day to the
point that we are still running

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operations now using the Rwanda
militias and fucking that

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country over so badly right now
today in 2024, nobody talks

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about it or cares and it’s just
like OK, Louie Armstrong didn’t

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kill Lumumba but he had a hand
in it indirectly.

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Yeah, which is the other thing
it’s important to point out.

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People might not always know
that they’re working with the

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CIA.
I don’t think we’ll talk about

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Jackson Pollock in a minute.
We can move on to it right now

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because modern art, American
modern art.

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Jackson Pollock, Back when
people at Jackson Pollock were

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still painting and not fatally
drunk driving their vehicles,

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the CIA was using their shit as
a promotional tool.

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And if you look at that group of
artists, they’re all people who

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probably would have been more
likely to side with Russia in a

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lot of matters.
But the CIA didn’t care.

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I mean, the CIA cares about
that, but they were like, no,

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this.
We can use this to make the

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United States look good
overseas.

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And part of the policy of the
CIA back then was like, OK, we

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take these struggling artists
who are prone to socialism and

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we make them just fucking rich
and they’ll be Americans because

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then they’ll be rich.
You know?

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And that was stated policy.
That’s again, not conspiracy.

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That’s the stated fucking policy
to say, hey, so they would

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indirectly fund art shows, art
galleries, tours, all these

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stuff for modern artists in the
50s that probably wouldn’t have

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made a mark had they not had
that funding.

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Because let’s face it, you know
this just through your your work

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in entertainment.
If you don’t have the money to

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back this shit up, it’s really
hard to break through.

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Just straight up is.
Sure is, yeah.

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And so if suddenly someone like
Jackson Paula, whose wife was

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already deep in the art scene,
of course.

434
00:23:30,480 –> 00:23:33,400
So it wasn’t like he was never
going to make it, but not that

435
00:23:33,400 –> 00:23:36,160
big to the point now where he’s
considered one of the greatest

436
00:23:36,160 –> 00:23:40,520
of all times while he was alive
that was directly fucking funded

437
00:23:40,520 –> 00:23:42,480
by the CIA.
And there’s receipts to back it

438
00:23:42,480 –> 00:23:44,880
up.
There’s plenty of testimony to

439
00:23:44,880 –> 00:23:46,760
back it up.
It’s not again, it’s a

440
00:23:46,760 –> 00:23:48,760
conspiracy that’s real.
MK Ultra.

441
00:23:48,760 –> 00:23:51,320
It’s a conspiracy that’s real.
And that doesn’t mean that it’s

442
00:23:51,480 –> 00:23:54,720
something that is completely
outside of the realm of reason,

443
00:23:54,720 –> 00:23:57,040
because conspiracies happen all
the fucking time.

444
00:23:57,120 –> 00:23:59,120
We just find out about probably
1% of them.

445
00:23:59,960 –> 00:24:05,640
And we’ll link to an independent
article about the CIA in modern

446
00:24:05,640 –> 00:24:08,480
art.
And one, it mentions that even

447
00:24:08,480 –> 00:24:11,880
back when that scene was active,
they were like, is the CIA doing

448
00:24:11,880 –> 00:24:14,000
this?
Are we getting CIA money?

449
00:24:14,000 –> 00:24:18,200
It was a rumor in that scene
that, guys, I think the CIA

450
00:24:18,200 –> 00:24:22,440
might be backing us.
And what are you going to do in

451
00:24:22,440 –> 00:24:25,200
that situation?
You’re not going to track down

452
00:24:25,200 –> 00:24:27,800
where the money’s coming from
and tell him to stop.

453
00:24:27,880 –> 00:24:31,880
You’re getting to pursue your
passion and So what if the CIA

454
00:24:31,880 –> 00:24:34,880
is taking that shit to Russia
and being like, hey, you know

455
00:24:34,880 –> 00:24:38,640
how here all of your paintings
have to show people working hard

456
00:24:38,760 –> 00:24:41,600
and loving the government.
Look what you get to do in the

457
00:24:41,600 –> 00:24:43,600
United States.
Way better, right?

458
00:24:44,280 –> 00:24:46,000
Don’t you hate communism now
and.

459
00:24:46,200 –> 00:24:49,320
That’s it as well.
I think people get mistaken of

460
00:24:49,320 –> 00:24:52,520
these big huge movements of oh
you need to do a fucking land

461
00:24:52,520 –> 00:24:56,120
invasion and blah blah blah and
all these big events that are

462
00:24:56,120 –> 00:24:59,480
between countries and cultures.
And it’s not that it’s chipping

463
00:24:59,480 –> 00:25:04,160
away a tiny bit at a time and
it’s kept by a million cuts is

464
00:25:04,160 –> 00:25:06,960
what the whole intelligence
community works as.

465
00:25:07,040 –> 00:25:09,560
They don’t work as an O.
We’re going to fucking replay

466
00:25:09,560 –> 00:25:12,080
D-Day and fight the Nazis they
work in.

467
00:25:12,160 –> 00:25:17,160
We’re going to slowly pick apart
every single thread we can until

468
00:25:17,160 –> 00:25:20,320
the sweater falls apart.
And that’s kind of the

469
00:25:20,320 –> 00:25:24,120
dissonance I think people miss
in what the intelligence

470
00:25:24,120 –> 00:25:27,920
operations do.
Yeah, in their essence, it’s

471
00:25:27,920 –> 00:25:29,560
called in.
It’s called espionage and

472
00:25:29,560 –> 00:25:31,720
intelligence.
It’s not called, you know, hot

473
00:25:31,720 –> 00:25:33,320
warfare.
Right.

474
00:25:33,480 –> 00:25:37,760
And this idea that they were
supporting modern art, like you

475
00:25:37,760 –> 00:25:41,080
said, it’s confirmed.
It’s not a rumor, right?

476
00:25:41,800 –> 00:25:46,800
The article will link to talks a
lot about the history of how it

477
00:25:46,800 –> 00:25:49,040
came to be.
It was part of a policy called

478
00:25:49,040 –> 00:25:54,280
long leash, and it’s really read
this article.

479
00:25:54,280 –> 00:25:57,400
If you’re one of those people
that’s skeptical of the idea

480
00:25:57,400 –> 00:26:01,200
that, hey, maybe that Singer is
also in the CIA, it’s possible.

481
00:26:01,240 –> 00:26:03,240
Maybe.
If you’re skeptical of it, read

482
00:26:03,240 –> 00:26:05,840
this article.
Yeah, but also there’s this

483
00:26:05,840 –> 00:26:09,440
thing as well where I think
there are some cases and the

484
00:26:09,440 –> 00:26:12,680
whole Elvis thing with the FBI
kind of plays into this where I

485
00:26:12,680 –> 00:26:16,600
bet there are a lot of artists
where they could full on reach

486
00:26:16,600 –> 00:26:19,400
out, bring them into Langley and
be like, listen, you have some

487
00:26:19,400 –> 00:26:21,320
amazing power.
We believe in you.

488
00:26:21,640 –> 00:26:24,440
How about we help you out?
And I think there are people out

489
00:26:24,440 –> 00:26:27,720
there that would say yes, oh,
apps, you’re going back to kind

490
00:26:27,720 –> 00:26:31,640
of the the inception of the CIA.
They had people in Paramount as

491
00:26:31,640 –> 00:26:33,400
executives.
They had people in Warner

492
00:26:33,400 –> 00:26:37,040
Brothers as executives who would
just sit there and read scripts

493
00:26:37,040 –> 00:26:40,280
and look for the right writers,
the right directors, the right

494
00:26:40,280 –> 00:26:41,920
actors.
And they’d bring them in and be

495
00:26:41,920 –> 00:26:44,400
like, hey, we’re doing this.
Do you want to be patriotic or

496
00:26:44,400 –> 00:26:45,880
not?
Do you want to fight for your

497
00:26:45,880 –> 00:26:49,560
country or not?
And of course, at that time you

498
00:26:49,560 –> 00:26:51,920
have a lot of people coming off
World War 2 where they had

499
00:26:51,920 –> 00:26:55,280
fought over there and they had
seen the horrificness of all

500
00:26:55,280 –> 00:26:57,880
that.
And then CIA comes along, or MI

501
00:26:57,880 –> 00:27:01,160
6 comes along or whatever and
says, hey, let’s avoid that and

502
00:27:01,160 –> 00:27:03,960
let’s fight them instead of in
the streets, let’s fight them in

503
00:27:03,960 –> 00:27:05,800
the art galleries, let’s fight
them on the radio.

504
00:27:06,040 –> 00:27:07,480
Let’s fight them in the movie
theaters.

505
00:27:07,680 –> 00:27:11,160
Yes, that’s tempting, man.
I can see people like Kathryn

506
00:27:11,160 –> 00:27:14,840
Bigelow, who obviously makes a
lot of CIA positive films with

507
00:27:14,960 –> 00:27:19,240
the help of the CIA, being like,
yeah, let’s throw a bone to

508
00:27:19,240 –> 00:27:22,320
patriotism and our soldiers and
and make this movie like Zero

509
00:27:22,320 –> 00:27:27,360
Dark 30 or Fucking Hurt Locker.
Yeah, and one of the other

510
00:27:27,360 –> 00:27:31,040
things that’s brought up in this
article is that this was a thing

511
00:27:31,040 –> 00:27:35,120
the CIA was interested in
immediately upon being founded.

512
00:27:35,280 –> 00:27:38,680
And of course they were.
If 1/3 of the founding members

513
00:27:38,680 –> 00:27:43,840
was also fucking playing sax in
the corner, fucking hitting and

514
00:27:43,920 –> 00:27:47,240
hitting an upright base while
they’re talking about destroying

515
00:27:47,240 –> 00:27:50,160
communism, of course they were
interested in it.

516
00:27:50,160 –> 00:27:54,800
And this article mentions that
the CIA set up a division called

517
00:27:54,800 –> 00:28:00,520
the Propaganda Assets Inventory
Propaganda.

518
00:28:00,680 –> 00:28:04,520
Just want to say that word again
for people who think it doesn’t

519
00:28:04,520 –> 00:28:07,320
apply to this country.
Holy shit, it sure does.

520
00:28:08,040 –> 00:28:12,640
And here is a terrifying passage
from this article, dismayed at

521
00:28:12,640 –> 00:28:15,800
the appeal communism still had
for many intellectuals and

522
00:28:15,800 –> 00:28:18,720
artists in the West.
The new agency set up a

523
00:28:18,720 –> 00:28:23,240
division, the Propaganda Assets
Inventory, which at its peak

524
00:28:23,240 –> 00:28:27,840
could influence more than 800
newspapers, magazine and public

525
00:28:27,840 –> 00:28:31,280
information organizations.
They joked that it was like a

526
00:28:31,280 –> 00:28:35,240
Wurlitzer jukebox.
When the CIA pushed a button, it

527
00:28:35,240 –> 00:28:39,880
could hear whatever tune it
wanted playing across the world.

528
00:28:40,080 –> 00:28:44,800
And that’s in the fucking 40s.
Imagine what they’re up to now

529
00:28:44,800 –> 00:28:49,960
with social media and streaming
and messaging apps.

530
00:28:50,200 –> 00:28:52,320
It’s so much easier now.
So much.

531
00:28:52,320 –> 00:28:55,440
I mean I was this is sort of
tangentially related.

532
00:28:55,440 –> 00:28:58,480
When we grew up, we had 3-4
channels, maybe we had cable,

533
00:28:58,760 –> 00:29:00,280
but they were all American
channels.

534
00:29:00,280 –> 00:29:02,480
Unless you lived on a border
state, right where you would get

535
00:29:02,480 –> 00:29:05,480
telenovelo, you would get a CBC
or something like that.

536
00:29:05,560 –> 00:29:07,680
Then satellite dishes came
around and maybe you got

537
00:29:07,680 –> 00:29:09,720
Deutsche Welle and BBC or
something like that.

538
00:29:09,720 –> 00:29:13,360
But that was super duper, super
rare well into the 90s and

539
00:29:13,360 –> 00:29:16,000
2000s, right?
So our generation grew up with

540
00:29:16,080 –> 00:29:20,200
American media, period.
Today kids are growing up, but

541
00:29:20,200 –> 00:29:22,240
we have everything.
We can watch Indian movies on

542
00:29:22,240 –> 00:29:25,640
Netflix, we can watch Korean TV
shows on Apple TV, We can listen

543
00:29:25,640 –> 00:29:28,040
to every fucking thing from
everywhere on YouTube or

544
00:29:28,040 –> 00:29:30,400
Spotify.
We have access to everything,

545
00:29:30,400 –> 00:29:33,160
which also means everybody else
kind of has access to

546
00:29:33,160 –> 00:29:34,840
everything.
Obviously their internet’s

547
00:29:34,960 –> 00:29:38,680
quality issues around the world
that change, but that means it

548
00:29:38,680 –> 00:29:42,160
has gotten so much easier to
infiltrate all these things and

549
00:29:42,160 –> 00:29:44,680
manipulate them, because
everything’s everywhere now.

550
00:29:44,880 –> 00:29:49,200
You can choose which countries
media you want to be a fan of

551
00:29:49,480 –> 00:29:52,360
and be a fan of that media so
much more easily now than ever

552
00:29:52,360 –> 00:29:55,400
before.
And so for situations like this

553
00:29:55,400 –> 00:29:59,400
is an intelligence where it’s a
propaganda arm and literally

554
00:29:59,520 –> 00:30:02,200
psychological warfare and
propaganda are the number one

555
00:30:02,200 –> 00:30:05,560
and #2 sort of missions of that
service.

556
00:30:05,680 –> 00:30:10,000
It’s so, so, so much more easier
than having to put something on

557
00:30:10,000 –> 00:30:13,720
fucking Voice of America on the
radio that somebody might tune

558
00:30:13,720 –> 00:30:16,560
into if they’re allowed to have
a radio now.

559
00:30:16,560 –> 00:30:19,120
It’s like people are on YouTube
and TikTok and can just scroll

560
00:30:19,120 –> 00:30:20,960
through this shit and see it
instantly.

561
00:30:21,200 –> 00:30:23,720
And you’re telling me they’re
not using this as much as they

562
00:30:23,720 –> 00:30:25,600
possibly can to their highest
benefit?

563
00:30:25,880 –> 00:30:31,520
I also would not be surprised if
it at some point the CIA was

564
00:30:31,520 –> 00:30:35,360
involved in the development of
streaming music.

565
00:30:35,800 –> 00:30:41,280
Because there is a scientific
principle paradox of choice,

566
00:30:41,280 –> 00:30:45,760
which basically once you have
access to too much stuff, it’s

567
00:30:45,760 –> 00:30:48,400
almost as bad as having access
to nothing.

568
00:30:49,000 –> 00:30:52,440
Because there’s so much out
there now that it’s like

569
00:30:52,520 –> 00:30:56,520
everyone has a chance and
everything sort of matters.

570
00:30:56,640 –> 00:30:58,840
And at that point, does anything
matter?

571
00:30:59,400 –> 00:31:03,880
And I feel like music has gotten
cheapened to the point that

572
00:31:03,880 –> 00:31:08,160
we’re never really going to have
to worry about a huge protest

573
00:31:08,160 –> 00:31:12,560
song that’s really pushing the
needle in One Direction or

574
00:31:12,560 –> 00:31:14,720
another.
Unless it comes from someone

575
00:31:14,960 –> 00:31:19,040
like Taylor Swift.
That because there’s no we all

576
00:31:19,040 –> 00:31:22,280
have so many choices.
We might know about that song

577
00:31:22,280 –> 00:31:25,280
for a day and then there’s going
to be 100 Gaks album.

578
00:31:25,480 –> 00:31:28,320
And you’ve touched on this
before very well, in the fact

579
00:31:28,320 –> 00:31:31,040
that there were no Trump protest
songs.

580
00:31:31,200 –> 00:31:31,840
None.
No.

581
00:31:31,920 –> 00:31:34,240
I mean, if there were they there
certainly didn’t breakthrough

582
00:31:34,240 –> 00:31:38,240
the ether.
Eminem on out, I believe, three

583
00:31:38,240 –> 00:31:40,680
days before the election.
It’s like no rush.

584
00:31:40,680 –> 00:31:42,040
Fuck face.
Thanks.

585
00:31:43,200 –> 00:31:45,080
But you know what I mean.
Remember the Bush era?

586
00:31:45,200 –> 00:31:48,840
Everybody fucking had one.
Oh wait, I should point out the

587
00:31:48,840 –> 00:31:54,960
one big Trump protest song Fuck
Donald Trump, featuring YG and a

588
00:31:55,040 –> 00:31:58,960
rapper who was killed in weird
MK Ultra fashion in Los Angeles.

589
00:31:59,360 –> 00:32:01,200
Nipsey hussle hussle.
There you go.

590
00:32:01,320 –> 00:32:03,680
There’s an interview with a
rapper.

591
00:32:03,760 –> 00:32:07,000
I believe it’s Lil Boozy.
I think he calls himself Boozy

592
00:32:07,000 –> 00:32:10,080
Badass now.
And they asked him why he didn’t

593
00:32:10,280 –> 00:32:12,840
make any songs about Trump.
And he was like, because Trump

594
00:32:12,840 –> 00:32:15,760
will have the CIA kill me.
Damn.

595
00:32:15,880 –> 00:32:18,720
And that’s valid.
Bush, Bush.

596
00:32:18,720 –> 00:32:20,360
There were so many.
So many.

597
00:32:20,360 –> 00:32:24,120
Yeah, and even Reagan and like
Clinton all those years through,

598
00:32:24,120 –> 00:32:27,320
I mean even fucking Neil Young
in Ohio, there’s always been

599
00:32:27,320 –> 00:32:30,120
these great protest songs
against the powers that be.

600
00:32:30,120 –> 00:32:32,680
And I think, God, I can’t
remember who did it now.

601
00:32:32,680 –> 00:32:35,720
I’m sorry, but somebody, oh it
was fucking of all people, was

602
00:32:35,720 –> 00:32:40,040
Bill Maher, said This son in one
of his new rules, which I’m not

603
00:32:40,040 –> 00:32:42,000
a Bill Maher fan.
I’m not trying to support him.

604
00:32:42,000 –> 00:32:44,920
But he brought up so much of our
mainstream music is about

605
00:32:44,920 –> 00:32:48,760
fucking Gucci and Louis Vuitton
and having a Tesla and being so

606
00:32:48,760 –> 00:32:52,840
excited to be a ultra capitalist
rich prick and have all this

607
00:32:52,840 –> 00:32:57,520
wealth, all this bullshit
commercialized fucking show off

608
00:32:57,640 –> 00:33:01,040
crap from Lady Gaga to rappers
to fucking Taylor Swift to

609
00:33:01,040 –> 00:33:02,920
everybody.
And he’s like, what the fuck

610
00:33:02,920 –> 00:33:05,200
happened to the protest song?
What the fuck happened to music

611
00:33:05,200 –> 00:33:08,720
being about something
aspirational that wasn’t fucking

612
00:33:08,720 –> 00:33:11,000
capitalism?
It’s like, yeah, a blind pig

613
00:33:11,000 –> 00:33:12,440
finds a truffle every now and
then.

614
00:33:13,280 –> 00:33:17,440
Speaking of that, not to keep
going back to my tangent about

615
00:33:17,440 –> 00:33:21,200
celebrities, who I think might
be government agents, I would

616
00:33:21,280 –> 00:33:25,200
also throw LL Cool J into that
mix.

617
00:33:25,200 –> 00:33:30,240
Because if you look at people,
always focus on, well, gangster

618
00:33:30,240 –> 00:33:32,840
rap came along and killed
conscious rap.

619
00:33:32,840 –> 00:33:37,040
Because if people aren’t
familiar rap, up until gangster

620
00:33:37,040 –> 00:33:41,320
rap happened, it was a movement.
It was a political movement.

621
00:33:41,320 –> 00:33:45,040
You had some rappers.
Even if a rapper’s whole fucking

622
00:33:45,040 –> 00:33:48,680
image was, I’m just the best
rapper in the world, that’s all

623
00:33:48,960 –> 00:33:52,000
I really want to do.
They’d have a song about how the

624
00:33:52,000 –> 00:33:54,520
black community should stop
using drugs.

625
00:33:54,640 –> 00:33:58,880
They would have a conscious song
on that album every fucking

626
00:33:58,880 –> 00:34:02,040
time.
And gangster rap came along and

627
00:34:02,040 –> 00:34:05,600
killed that in one way.
But I would argue the person who

628
00:34:05,600 –> 00:34:12,480
introduced materialism into rap
music is LL Cool J on the 1989

629
00:34:12,480 –> 00:34:17,199
album Walking With A Panther,
which is an album that followed

630
00:34:17,199 –> 00:34:21,760
his huge breakthrough album.
And it just took a suspiciously

631
00:34:21,760 –> 00:34:26,080
long time to come out.
And when it finally came out, at

632
00:34:26,080 –> 00:34:31,000
a point when most rappers were
still doing conscious rap, it

633
00:34:31,000 –> 00:34:35,719
was all about champagne and
expensive clothes and people

634
00:34:35,719 –> 00:34:37,920
were like, what the fuck is this
shit?

635
00:34:37,960 –> 00:34:42,679
And now it’s just what rap is.
And look at the career that

636
00:34:42,679 –> 00:34:46,480
fucking guy has had.
Is he that good of an actor?

637
00:34:46,600 –> 00:34:50,520
Is LL Cool J that good of an
actor that he should have?

638
00:34:50,560 –> 00:34:55,320
That motherfucker’s been on
NCISLA since 1970 or something?

639
00:34:56,040 –> 00:34:58,160
Yeah, yeah.
Who’s watching that shit?

640
00:34:58,280 –> 00:35:00,760
Yeah, it’s bizarre, man.
Because there’s you can’t deny

641
00:35:00,760 –> 00:35:03,000
that shift and that shift
doesn’t come out of nowhere.

642
00:35:03,160 –> 00:35:05,640
And no.
And also the fact that it, with

643
00:35:05,880 –> 00:35:09,600
a few small exceptions,
completely obliterated conscious

644
00:35:09,600 –> 00:35:11,920
rap to the point where, like you
said, Nipsey Hussle.

645
00:35:11,920 –> 00:35:16,240
I mean, even I hate to bring up
Kanye West, but something

646
00:35:16,240 –> 00:35:18,080
happened to that dude, man.
And I’m not.

647
00:35:18,400 –> 00:35:20,680
I don’t believe the whole oh, he
has mental illness.

648
00:35:20,680 –> 00:35:21,480
Let’s get it.
He’s sick.

649
00:35:21,480 –> 00:35:23,560
He needs help.
Maybe he’s just dumb and he was

650
00:35:23,560 –> 00:35:26,480
easily manipulated because some
people are just dumb.

651
00:35:26,560 –> 00:35:28,800
They are.
I mean, maybe he lost his mind

652
00:35:28,800 –> 00:35:30,240
after his mom died, I don’t
know.

653
00:35:30,240 –> 00:35:33,400
But something fucking happened
to that dude where he has gone

654
00:35:33,520 –> 00:35:36,880
so far off the rails that it’s
he went from being like George

655
00:35:36,880 –> 00:35:40,560
Bush hates black people on
September 11th Tele Tele show,

656
00:35:40,560 –> 00:35:43,960
to now thinking that he doesn’t
even want to hire black people

657
00:35:43,960 –> 00:35:46,560
at his fucking private school
because they don’t work hard

658
00:35:46,560 –> 00:35:49,520
enough.
And it’s like, it’s crazy how

659
00:35:49,520 –> 00:35:53,560
that guy turned so hard about
80, to the point where it’s

660
00:35:53,560 –> 00:35:56,240
like, it’s maybe it’s mental
illness.

661
00:35:56,240 –> 00:35:57,840
I’m not saying it’s not or
anything like that.

662
00:35:57,840 –> 00:36:01,280
But mental illness doesn’t
forgive racism like that and

663
00:36:01,280 –> 00:36:04,320
just hideousness that he’s
become sorry.

664
00:36:04,320 –> 00:36:05,720
It doesn’t.
And it’s like, Oh well, Hitler

665
00:36:05,720 –> 00:36:07,280
was just mentally ill Let’s
forgive him too.

666
00:36:07,280 –> 00:36:09,960
It’s like, no, fuck you.
He was a piece of shit and he

667
00:36:09,960 –> 00:36:12,080
was dumb.
Problem was, he was a dumb fuck.

668
00:36:12,120 –> 00:36:15,760
Acted on the things he said a
little more than Kanye West.

669
00:36:15,760 –> 00:36:18,280
Of course, of course, Yeah.
I didn’t mean that as a

670
00:36:18,280 –> 00:36:20,240
comparison.
I said they’re like, some people

671
00:36:20,240 –> 00:36:21,840
do dumb shit and can’t be
manipulated.

672
00:36:21,960 –> 00:36:25,680
And so you going back to the
heart of the show all the When

673
00:36:25,680 –> 00:36:27,800
the whole Taylor Swift thing
came up last year and everyone

674
00:36:27,800 –> 00:36:31,200
was literally laughing off that
there was any involvement with

675
00:36:31,200 –> 00:36:34,680
CIA or intelligence with Taylor
Swift, it was like nobody took

676
00:36:34,680 –> 00:36:37,040
her to Langley and sat her down.
I was like, hey, you’re going to

677
00:36:37,040 –> 00:36:39,880
be a operative now.
But the idea that there isn’t

678
00:36:40,040 –> 00:36:43,320
ACIA operative or an FBI
operative in her entourage, in

679
00:36:43,320 –> 00:36:47,880
her close crew, in her
management, I mean, we know for

680
00:36:47,880 –> 00:36:51,480
a fact there’s CIA in agencies
and management companies in

681
00:36:51,480 –> 00:36:53,520
Hollywood.
We know for a fact they’re all

682
00:36:53,520 –> 00:36:56,920
over the production companies,
whether they be music or film or

683
00:36:56,920 –> 00:36:59,800
TV.
That’s just unknown that the CIA

684
00:37:00,000 –> 00:37:02,080
is proud of it, to the point
where they have a web page that

685
00:37:02,080 –> 00:37:04,520
talks about their involvement in
the entertainment industry.

686
00:37:04,640 –> 00:37:08,280
The idea that there isn’t anyone
there sort of massaging that

687
00:37:08,440 –> 00:37:12,960
powerful person towards certain
things is crazy to think.

688
00:37:13,600 –> 00:37:16,240
Yeah.
And they have the money to

689
00:37:16,240 –> 00:37:17,600
spend.
We know that.

690
00:37:17,800 –> 00:37:23,040
We know they have a Silicon
Valley investment wing called, I

691
00:37:23,040 –> 00:37:27,360
think it’s called Intel Q that
invests in the CIA.

692
00:37:28,040 –> 00:37:30,240
You’re not going to believe
this, America.

693
00:37:30,440 –> 00:37:35,960
The CIA were one of the original
funders of Google Earth.

694
00:37:36,720 –> 00:37:40,280
You know, a project that lets
you look at anything on the

695
00:37:40,280 –> 00:37:43,320
computer by typing in fucking
coordinates.

696
00:37:43,320 –> 00:37:45,480
Oh, the CIA was in on that?
No.

697
00:37:46,080 –> 00:37:48,000
Come on.
And they’re one of the original

698
00:37:48,000 –> 00:37:50,360
funders of Facebook.
I mean, it’s and that’s not a

699
00:37:50,360 –> 00:37:53,000
conspiracy theory.
You can go to CBS News and look

700
00:37:53,000 –> 00:37:56,920
up the articles from 1015 years
ago where it’s laid out clearly

701
00:37:56,920 –> 00:38:00,040
with the shell companies they
use to fund it like that.

702
00:38:00,440 –> 00:38:03,560
And that doesn’t go away.
They don’t just say, oh, cut our

703
00:38:03,560 –> 00:38:05,280
losses, what?
No.

704
00:38:06,000 –> 00:38:09,680
No, no, no.
And yeah, one of the examples we

705
00:38:09,880 –> 00:38:14,520
will also put in the notes is
the song Winds of Change by

706
00:38:14,720 –> 00:38:17,960
Scorpions, Right.
Which there’s a whole podcast

707
00:38:17,960 –> 00:38:23,080
series about how the CIA maybe
probably wrote that song.

708
00:38:23,120 –> 00:38:27,960
Yeah, and the people in that
podcast are way too positive

709
00:38:28,040 –> 00:38:30,440
about what that means.
They’re like, this is so cool.

710
00:38:30,720 –> 00:38:34,760
CIA fucking helped bring down
the wall and they do not

711
00:38:34,760 –> 00:38:37,240
understand they can use that
against you too.

712
00:38:37,480 –> 00:38:45,040
Man, that’s that is a mainstream
media podcast for you to to not

713
00:38:45,040 –> 00:38:47,360
even question the implications
of that.

714
00:38:47,480 –> 00:38:49,400
Oh my, I’m.
I haven’t listened to it, but I

715
00:38:49,400 –> 00:38:51,200
assume they make it sound like
movie shit.

716
00:38:51,560 –> 00:38:55,320
Like it’s.
Argo or something without ever

717
00:38:55,320 –> 00:38:58,880
once being like, oh, So what
about those other rumors about

718
00:38:58,880 –> 00:39:02,400
the CIA and music?
Are those true too?

719
00:39:02,520 –> 00:39:06,320
Bring that up on New Yorker
podcast and they’re going to be

720
00:39:06,320 –> 00:39:10,680
like we don’t engage in
conspiracy theories here.

721
00:39:11,120 –> 00:39:13,080
Yeah.
And the thing I don’t understand

722
00:39:13,080 –> 00:39:15,120
is all this stuff is well
documented.

723
00:39:15,120 –> 00:39:17,120
And I do understand that you
can’t know everything about

724
00:39:17,120 –> 00:39:18,880
everything.
Some of this stuff, just unless

725
00:39:18,880 –> 00:39:22,200
you’re interested in how the
intelligence worlds work, a lot

726
00:39:22,200 –> 00:39:23,840
of this can slip by you.
And that’s fine.

727
00:39:24,040 –> 00:39:26,920
What I don’t understand is the
immediate no, this can’t be

728
00:39:26,920 –> 00:39:28,360
true.
We’re not like that.

729
00:39:28,360 –> 00:39:29,920
We’re better than blah blah
blah.

730
00:39:29,920 –> 00:39:32,920
And they only use this against
the communists or the terrorists

731
00:39:32,920 –> 00:39:36,800
or whoever the fuck is
imagination imaginary villains

732
00:39:36,800 –> 00:39:39,240
in our minds.
And it’s like, but you

733
00:39:39,240 –> 00:39:42,120
understand they use it against
us too, because they need us to

734
00:39:42,120 –> 00:39:45,440
actually fight one day and they
need us to be on the right side,

735
00:39:45,920 –> 00:39:48,600
Their side, quote, UN quote,
which is the sort of thing where

736
00:39:48,600 –> 00:39:51,400
it’s like this is psychological
warfare.

737
00:39:51,440 –> 00:39:53,400
That’s the name of the fucking
department.

738
00:39:53,400 –> 00:39:56,560
I know I’m a broken record
there, but it’s on us too.

739
00:39:56,560 –> 00:40:01,120
We’re part of that.
Yeah, and one of the last things

740
00:40:01,120 –> 00:40:05,000
I want to talk about.
I didn’t put a lot of notes in

741
00:40:05,000 –> 00:40:09,080
the notes about it because my
Internet mysteriously went out

742
00:40:09,080 –> 00:40:12,000
about 10 minutes before we were
due to record this.

743
00:40:12,000 –> 00:40:14,120
It was out for about 40 minutes.
Fine.

744
00:40:14,480 –> 00:40:16,320
Sign.
No, nothing weird about that.

745
00:40:16,320 –> 00:40:17,120
Adam.
Coincidence.

746
00:40:17,120 –> 00:40:18,560
Pure coincidence.
Pure.

747
00:40:18,560 –> 00:40:21,800
Coincidence.
CIA has to own a bunch of record

748
00:40:21,800 –> 00:40:24,720
labels, right?
It wouldn’t do to just own one.

749
00:40:24,720 –> 00:40:28,920
They got to own indie labels.
Hip hop jazz world music.

750
00:40:28,920 –> 00:40:31,560
Yeah, going back to Copeland.
Miles Copeland the 3rd.

751
00:40:31,760 –> 00:40:35,640
That’s what he literally did.
Yeah, founded a record label.

752
00:40:36,320 –> 00:40:40,080
And yeah, we’ll link to a couple
of articles about musicians who

753
00:40:40,080 –> 00:40:44,240
were just also CIA, and
sometimes without even the

754
00:40:44,240 –> 00:40:47,520
knowledge of their bandmates.
Their bandmates didn’t even

755
00:40:47,520 –> 00:40:51,000
know.
And that is a thing that has to

756
00:40:51,000 –> 00:40:53,520
happen so much.
Yes.

757
00:40:53,920 –> 00:40:56,040
And.
I think one of them is a hip hop

758
00:40:56,040 –> 00:40:57,880
group in Cuba.
Modern Dimes.

759
00:40:57,880 –> 00:40:59,920
This isn’t in, you know, the 50s
or 60s.

760
00:41:00,120 –> 00:41:04,040
A rapper in Cuba now basically
was just straight up a CIA.

761
00:41:04,560 –> 00:41:08,200
Operative Yeah, there was a
rapper.

762
00:41:08,240 –> 00:41:10,240
What is his name?
Takashi, 69.

763
00:41:11,120 –> 00:41:16,280
There is a whole lot of
suggestion that that guy is a

764
00:41:16,720 –> 00:41:20,200
CIA plan.
And the reason people think that

765
00:41:20,200 –> 00:41:25,120
is, at first he was just a goofy
looking fella who kept getting

766
00:41:25,120 –> 00:41:29,200
spotted around New York City or
wherever he was from because of

767
00:41:29,280 –> 00:41:32,600
how he looked.
And he blew up on social media

768
00:41:32,760 –> 00:41:36,160
over that.
And then takes this weird months

769
00:41:36,160 –> 00:41:40,000
long trip to Eastern Europe
where he learns to become a

770
00:41:40,000 –> 00:41:45,320
rapper and then comes back and
just blows up in rap, followed

771
00:41:45,320 –> 00:41:49,360
by so many allegations that he’s
also a government informant.

772
00:41:49,360 –> 00:41:52,080
And you know, Eastern Europe,
traditionally the heart of hip

773
00:41:52,080 –> 00:41:54,480
hop.
Now who wants to Eastern Europe

774
00:41:54,480 –> 00:41:56,680
to learn to rap?
What the fuck is that?

775
00:41:58,240 –> 00:42:01,040
Yeah, I went to South Dakota so
I could have learned about black

776
00:42:01,040 –> 00:42:02,920
culture.
Yeah, yeah.

777
00:42:03,000 –> 00:42:07,280
If there is a rap Academy in
Eastern Europe, it’s because the

778
00:42:07,280 –> 00:42:10,240
CIA runs it.
If you put it in Detroit, people

779
00:42:10,240 –> 00:42:12,320
would be like, that’s the CIAI
think.

780
00:42:12,520 –> 00:42:14,800
But Eastern Europe?
No one cares.

781
00:42:15,200 –> 00:42:17,800
Yeah and also there’s the
practicality of this.

782
00:42:17,800 –> 00:42:22,600
We 100% run operations, CIA has
NGOs if you see an anti

783
00:42:22,600 –> 00:42:27,080
corruption NGO anywhere in the
world it’s 99 times out of 100

784
00:42:27,080 –> 00:42:30,440
CIA back.
So and that’s kind of common

785
00:42:30,440 –> 00:42:31,720
knowledge now.
I mean there’s that whole thing

786
00:42:31,720 –> 00:42:35,040
and with the Mexican president
last year calling out the US for

787
00:42:35,120 –> 00:42:39,000
running anti corruption NGOs in
Mexico with CIA money, all this

788
00:42:39,000 –> 00:42:43,000
stuff is very obvious.
And we do shit like that all

789
00:42:43,000 –> 00:42:46,360
over through the USIA, the
United States Information Agency

790
00:42:46,520 –> 00:42:49,640
where we send out music,
literally music.

791
00:42:49,640 –> 00:42:52,960
We send out books, we send out
newspapers, we send out movies

792
00:42:53,480 –> 00:42:58,800
to just kind of brainwash people
in other countries all the time.

793
00:42:58,880 –> 00:43:01,680
The idea that that doesn’t come
back on us, it’s crazy to me.

794
00:43:01,960 –> 00:43:05,080
This is all stuff that happens
and is well documented all the

795
00:43:05,080 –> 00:43:06,120
time.
And like you said, you’ll link

796
00:43:06,120 –> 00:43:10,120
to some of the blatant examples
in I think Uganda and Cuba where

797
00:43:10,320 –> 00:43:14,360
band members in modern times
today, not 50 years ago, we’re

798
00:43:14,360 –> 00:43:17,680
straight up CIA operatives, no
clandestine.

799
00:43:18,040 –> 00:43:21,040
We’re working through this shell
corporation through like with

800
00:43:21,040 –> 00:43:23,600
Jackson Pollock or Louis
Armstrong where they weren’t

801
00:43:23,600 –> 00:43:26,760
like direct operatives, was like
no direct people in the CIA.

802
00:43:26,760 –> 00:43:30,360
And this is where a lot of when
you watch American media about

803
00:43:30,360 –> 00:43:33,400
CIA, whether it be fucking
what’s clear and present Danger

804
00:43:33,400 –> 00:43:38,880
Jack Ryan or Zero Dark 30 or any
of those CIA funded things where

805
00:43:38,880 –> 00:43:41,840
it’s either either you’re Jason
Bourne or you’re a fat dude in a

806
00:43:41,840 –> 00:43:43,880
suit in Langley and there’s no
in between.

807
00:43:43,880 –> 00:43:45,040
It’s like, yeah, there’s in
between.

808
00:43:45,040 –> 00:43:48,080
There are people who look like
everybody you can imagine.

809
00:43:48,080 –> 00:43:50,920
There are people working in the
CIA with fucking face tattoos

810
00:43:51,200 –> 00:43:55,000
and dreads and they are card
carrying members on the payroll,

811
00:43:55,000 –> 00:43:57,680
not fucking clandestine members
through a shell company.

812
00:43:57,760 –> 00:44:02,640
The CIA has everybody, every
look, every sort of culture

813
00:44:02,640 –> 00:44:05,200
represented because how would
they get into them without that?

814
00:44:05,240 –> 00:44:09,680
Yeah, Jesse Ventura, very
famously in an interview, I say

815
00:44:09,680 –> 00:44:12,400
very famously and I doubt
anyone’s heard this interview,

816
00:44:12,400 –> 00:44:13,920
so I don’t know why I’m saying
that.

817
00:44:13,920 –> 00:44:19,040
But he at one point I think it
was on his conspiracy theory

818
00:44:19,040 –> 00:44:22,520
show that was on for a few
seasons, talks about becoming

819
00:44:22,600 –> 00:44:26,280
governor of Minnesota and how
when that happens, when you’re

820
00:44:26,280 –> 00:44:29,400
elected governor of a state, you
have a meeting with the CIA.

821
00:44:30,320 –> 00:44:34,000
And I imagine everyone who
becomes a government official

822
00:44:34,200 –> 00:44:36,800
has a meeting with the CIA
whether they know it or not.

823
00:44:36,840 –> 00:44:40,480
But his whole thing was they
look like your neighbor.

824
00:44:40,560 –> 00:44:43,840
They look like the cashier at
the store, like your picture and

825
00:44:43,840 –> 00:44:47,160
like you said the guy from the
office but with a gun.

826
00:44:47,240 –> 00:44:51,200
And no, it’s the guy from your
office but with a gun.

827
00:44:51,600 –> 00:44:54,920
It’s not Jim from the office.
It’s Tim who sits next to you.

828
00:44:55,640 –> 00:45:00,400
That guy from your office is
actually what the CIA looks like

829
00:45:01,000 –> 00:45:02,560
and.
It’s very true.

830
00:45:02,920 –> 00:45:07,680
Yeah, and I have a whole bit
that I do on stage.

831
00:45:07,800 –> 00:45:10,200
I don’t do the spy part of it as
often.

832
00:45:10,200 –> 00:45:12,240
I have a whole bit about rich
people going on these

833
00:45:12,240 –> 00:45:14,680
misadventures.
Then we have to spend tax money

834
00:45:14,680 –> 00:45:18,520
to bail them out.
But I sometimes when I do the

835
00:45:18,520 –> 00:45:23,400
joke, I bring up the case of
those three American hikers who

836
00:45:23,400 –> 00:45:28,600
were taken into custody in Iran
on suspicion of being spies when

837
00:45:28,600 –> 00:45:32,800
all they were really doing,
Zach, was going on a hiking trip

838
00:45:32,840 –> 00:45:38,720
in Iraq in like 2014.
And it’s like, man, if you were

839
00:45:38,720 –> 00:45:42,600
an American, you had no reason
to be hiking in Iraq at the time

840
00:45:42,760 –> 00:45:44,440
unless you’re trying to spy on
Iran.

841
00:45:44,560 –> 00:45:47,840
Honestly, I think that’s kind of
the only reason to be that close

842
00:45:47,840 –> 00:45:50,680
to that border at that point.
And there was so many.

843
00:45:50,680 –> 00:45:53,880
I remember that vividly because
I don’t travel similar to that.

844
00:45:53,880 –> 00:45:55,800
And there’s so many holes in
their story.

845
00:45:55,840 –> 00:45:58,960
When they came back and I was
like, you guys are talking into

846
00:45:59,080 –> 00:46:02,160
your ass right now, There’s oh,
we just decided to go for.

847
00:46:02,320 –> 00:46:04,200
We had no idea we were crossing
the border in Iran.

848
00:46:04,200 –> 00:46:06,440
I was like, yeah, you did.
You don’t fuck that up.

849
00:46:06,600 –> 00:46:09,720
And I can tell you from travel
in Afghanistan and Badakhshan,

850
00:46:09,840 –> 00:46:12,680
Americans aren’t welcome there.
And they will ask you to leave

851
00:46:12,680 –> 00:46:14,960
vehemently because they don’t
want you there in case something

852
00:46:14,960 –> 00:46:17,280
happens to you.
And then we just fucking flatten

853
00:46:17,280 –> 00:46:18,560
their village, you know?
Right.

854
00:46:18,560 –> 00:46:21,480
Because that’s what we would do
whether, like I’ve always said,

855
00:46:21,480 –> 00:46:24,240
we’re, I don’t think we’re the
good guys you think we are.

856
00:46:24,320 –> 00:46:29,000
And so it’s the sort of thing
where, yeah, like whatever shit

857
00:46:29,000 –> 00:46:30,880
like that pops up.
Or when somebody shows up in

858
00:46:30,880 –> 00:46:33,840
North Korea suddenly in prison,
it was like, what the fuck were

859
00:46:33,840 –> 00:46:36,560
you doing in North Korea?
That they actually arrested you

860
00:46:36,560 –> 00:46:39,720
and put you in prison.
You were doing something that

861
00:46:39,720 –> 00:46:42,520
you should not have been and got
caught and fuck you like.

862
00:46:43,480 –> 00:46:47,640
Yeah, That I think, is kind of
the dividing line.

863
00:46:47,680 –> 00:46:51,720
When you hear a story like that.
North Korea takes people into

864
00:46:51,720 –> 00:46:54,800
custody all the time.
The question is, do we just let

865
00:46:54,800 –> 00:46:57,720
them sit there until they’re
brain dead like Otto Warmbier,

866
00:46:58,160 –> 00:47:01,160
or do we send Bill Clinton over
there to get Lisa Ling’s sister

867
00:47:01,160 –> 00:47:01,880
out?
Right.

868
00:47:01,920 –> 00:47:04,920
What was she doing over there?
Something that merited a lot of

869
00:47:04,920 –> 00:47:06,520
our tax dollars bringing her
home.

870
00:47:06,760 –> 00:47:08,960
Yeah.
Again, those are two great

871
00:47:08,960 –> 00:47:12,640
examples of just regular ass
looking people, nerdy fucking

872
00:47:13,120 –> 00:47:14,960
like what are you doing there in
the 1st place?

873
00:47:14,960 –> 00:47:17,360
Because that’s the sort of
people that are out there too.

874
00:47:17,360 –> 00:47:20,240
Like you said, it’s Tim at your
office who’s probably been

875
00:47:20,240 –> 00:47:22,360
relaying information about you
to somebody else.

876
00:47:22,360 –> 00:47:24,120
And again, it doesn’t have to
be.

877
00:47:24,120 –> 00:47:26,360
You don’t have to be fucking
John Lennon to have somebody

878
00:47:26,360 –> 00:47:28,720
looking after you.
You can just have travel to the

879
00:47:28,720 –> 00:47:31,320
wrong places at the wrong times.
Or you could have just fucking

880
00:47:31,320 –> 00:47:33,400
been listening the wrong podcast
at this point.

881
00:47:33,480 –> 00:47:36,440
Where wrong podcast and their
assumption and they’re just

882
00:47:36,440 –> 00:47:38,360
like, who is this guy?
Why is he listening to all this

883
00:47:38,360 –> 00:47:39,920
shit and what’s he going to do
about it?

884
00:47:39,920 –> 00:47:42,040
And how many guns does he have
and how many cars does he have?

885
00:47:42,040 –> 00:47:45,240
And how much fucking fertilizer
does he have in his work shed?

886
00:47:45,280 –> 00:47:47,800
And it’s like all that shit adds
up and they have access to it

887
00:47:47,800 –> 00:47:49,640
all now because everything is
fucking on your phone and

888
00:47:49,640 –> 00:47:51,960
digitalized.
We all we can that oh, we’re

889
00:47:51,960 –> 00:47:54,520
impervious to this shit, or
we’re so strong, or we have

890
00:47:54,520 –> 00:47:58,600
these ethics and morals that are
concrete and dude, we all have

891
00:47:58,600 –> 00:48:00,640
our soft spots.
I don’t care who you are.

892
00:48:00,760 –> 00:48:05,280
Everyone has something that the
especially the fucking CIA who

893
00:48:05,280 –> 00:48:09,200
has been working tirelessly
since the 1940s to break our

894
00:48:09,200 –> 00:48:12,960
minds, can get to all of us.
And so the sort of the idea is,

895
00:48:12,960 –> 00:48:15,840
oh, Tim will never fucking
squeal on me or oh, my wife will

896
00:48:15,840 –> 00:48:17,160
never squeal on me.
Bullshit.

897
00:48:17,200 –> 00:48:19,960
You put somebody in the right
situation in the right time with

898
00:48:19,960 –> 00:48:22,880
the right pressures and the
right points, everybody breaks,

899
00:48:22,880 –> 00:48:24,880
man.
And this sort of, sort of thing

900
00:48:24,880 –> 00:48:28,680
where again, going back to an
earlier point where I would

901
00:48:28,680 –> 00:48:32,760
wager well over 70% of
Americans, if actually taken to

902
00:48:32,760 –> 00:48:35,960
Langley and said, hey, we need
to your help to do this, that or

903
00:48:35,960 –> 00:48:39,360
the other for patriotism,
they’re going to say yes, no

904
00:48:39,360 –> 00:48:41,640
matter what it is.
And that might be fucking

905
00:48:41,880 –> 00:48:45,440
overthrowing A democratically
elected government in fucking El

906
00:48:45,440 –> 00:48:47,880
Salvador, but I’m doing it for
my country, man.

907
00:48:48,360 –> 00:48:50,960
And so there’s going to be some
people who question that and be

908
00:48:50,960 –> 00:48:53,120
like, fuck you, no, I’m not
fucking doing your dirty work.

909
00:48:53,320 –> 00:48:56,920
And see, then that’s when it
becomes, oh, you won’t.

910
00:48:57,320 –> 00:48:58,800
Well, let’s talk about how you
will.

911
00:48:58,920 –> 00:49:01,560
Well, yeah, exactly.
And that comes to back to the

912
00:49:02,200 –> 00:49:03,720
When you’re talking about
musicians, when you’re talking

913
00:49:03,720 –> 00:49:07,160
about actors, whatever artists,
they don’t need to take them to

914
00:49:07,160 –> 00:49:09,400
Langley and be like, hey, you
need to do this, or else they

915
00:49:09,400 –> 00:49:12,400
can just be like, hey, only
think about this.

916
00:49:12,400 –> 00:49:14,280
Why don’t we think about that?
Why don’t, why don’t you?

917
00:49:14,280 –> 00:49:16,640
Look, what happened with Olivia
Rodrigo recently, where she was

918
00:49:16,640 –> 00:49:19,040
giving out morning after pills
at her concerts and then

919
00:49:19,040 –> 00:49:20,720
suddenly stopped because it got
too crazy.

920
00:49:20,840 –> 00:49:23,760
Wonder what really was behind
her stopping.

921
00:49:23,760 –> 00:49:27,080
That was maybe somebody in her
entourage who was maybe

922
00:49:27,080 –> 00:49:29,880
associated with the government
who was like, hey, we want to

923
00:49:29,880 –> 00:49:32,000
keep you safe.
We don’t want you to get hurt.

924
00:49:32,000 –> 00:49:34,400
We don’t want anybody to get
hurt at your concerts.

925
00:49:34,600 –> 00:49:36,760
Remember what happened to Ariana
Grande in Manchester?

926
00:49:36,760 –> 00:49:40,040
Sure would be shitty if that
happened to you with some crazy

927
00:49:40,040 –> 00:49:44,800
white supremacist in Texas who’s
so anti abortion that they do

928
00:49:44,800 –> 00:49:46,440
something like that.
Maybe we should pull back on

929
00:49:46,440 –> 00:49:49,160
this Olivia and she of course,
would say fucking yes.

930
00:49:49,160 –> 00:49:52,800
Because that’s scary and it has
nothing to do with anybody being

931
00:49:52,800 –> 00:49:55,840
fucking recruited.
It’s just like these people with

932
00:49:55,840 –> 00:49:59,960
this much influence on culture
have clandestine people in their

933
00:49:59,960 –> 00:50:02,600
entourages that they don’t
fucking know about but are in

934
00:50:02,600 –> 00:50:05,160
their ear.
It’s easy to manipulate people

935
00:50:05,160 –> 00:50:07,440
who are so isolated from
reality.

936
00:50:07,800 –> 00:50:10,800
It really is because it’s sort
of like if you’re in the room

937
00:50:10,800 –> 00:50:13,040
with them, you must be special
sort of thing.

938
00:50:13,040 –> 00:50:14,480
Then that’s how they kind of
treat you.

939
00:50:14,680 –> 00:50:17,680
Because if you got in that room,
you got in that room, right?

940
00:50:17,800 –> 00:50:20,960
And so, and think about the
people who can, going back to

941
00:50:20,960 –> 00:50:23,600
our original point, think about
the people who can get into any

942
00:50:23,600 –> 00:50:29,200
room, like the CIA or the FBI or
Mossad or MI 6 or whoever the

943
00:50:29,200 –> 00:50:30,720
fuck, because that’s what
they’re trained to do.

944
00:50:30,960 –> 00:50:32,280
They’re trained to get in those
rooms.

945
00:50:32,400 –> 00:50:36,040
Because again, going back to our
original point, they literally

946
00:50:36,040 –> 00:50:41,760
created the CIA with producers
and writers and artists and

947
00:50:41,760 –> 00:50:45,320
musicians and people who were
already in this world.

948
00:50:45,400 –> 00:50:47,160
They didn’t.
Yes, they recruited people from

949
00:50:47,160 –> 00:50:51,120
that world, but they point was
cultural warfare.

950
00:50:51,320 –> 00:50:54,280
Cultural warfare means you start
from that point.

951
00:50:54,440 –> 00:50:57,120
But of course, Taylor Swift,
she’s too smart to have anybody

952
00:50:57,120 –> 00:50:59,200
like that in her group.
So she’s impervious.

953
00:50:59,440 –> 00:51:02,320
And they’ve gotten good at it.
They’ve been perfecting it.

954
00:51:02,320 –> 00:51:04,320
They’ve been practicing it,
They’ve been working on it.

955
00:51:04,600 –> 00:51:06,640
Like I said, they’ve been
working on psychological warfare

956
00:51:06,640 –> 00:51:08,680
since 1947.
You don’t think they’re good at

957
00:51:08,680 –> 00:51:10,320
it yet?
It’s been almost 100 years.

958
00:51:10,800 –> 00:51:12,040
They figured some shit out by
now.

959
00:51:12,240 –> 00:51:17,960
They successfully got all of us,
with all of our diverse opinions

960
00:51:18,280 –> 00:51:24,800
and beliefs and prejudices.
Someone successfully got us all

961
00:51:24,800 –> 00:51:28,080
to come out from our various
corners of the Internet and

962
00:51:28,080 –> 00:51:31,600
agree that, yes, we all hate
each other, but we should also

963
00:51:31,600 –> 00:51:32,840
all be on Facebook.
That’s.

964
00:51:34,280 –> 00:51:36,560
Crazy.
That’s got to be the government

965
00:51:36,640 –> 00:51:40,320
at work because it was so much
better when I could just go talk

966
00:51:40,320 –> 00:51:44,480
about Oasis with people who like
Oasis and not have to get

967
00:51:44,480 –> 00:51:46,840
comments from white
nationalists.

968
00:51:46,840 –> 00:51:49,280
I guess the governments real
good at what they do.

969
00:51:49,320 –> 00:51:53,040
And here’s the thing.
That’s my government, USA.

970
00:51:53,960 –> 00:51:58,040
I 100% remember the days where
we’d be at a bar having a

971
00:51:58,040 –> 00:52:01,160
conversation about something we
were having a conversation about

972
00:52:01,240 –> 00:52:04,200
and some drunk asshole would
chime in from another table and

973
00:52:04,200 –> 00:52:07,880
it would be like, I get to fight
you now for daring to fucking

974
00:52:08,120 –> 00:52:11,080
put your dumb ass opinion in my
communities.

975
00:52:12,080 –> 00:52:15,240
And it was like, I not that I’m
proud of any bar fights I got in

976
00:52:15,240 –> 00:52:17,280
before, but I used to get in bar
fights because people would be

977
00:52:17,280 –> 00:52:19,280
like oh blah blah blah.
They come in and tell you what

978
00:52:19,280 –> 00:52:21,720
they wanted to goddamn tell you
about what you’re talking about.

979
00:52:21,720 –> 00:52:23,440
Like I don’t know you.
I don’t care.

980
00:52:23,440 –> 00:52:27,440
How dare you come over here
thinking that and then we turn

981
00:52:27,440 –> 00:52:31,920
that into our fucking reality
where everybody gets to comment

982
00:52:31,920 –> 00:52:37,080
on your tables conversation.
I mean this as a joke without

983
00:52:37,080 –> 00:52:39,360
the bar fight aspect where I can
kick your ass to get you away

984
00:52:39,360 –> 00:52:43,080
from me.
Yeah, and we did it willingly.

985
00:52:43,080 –> 00:52:46,640
We didn’t have to be dragged
kicking and screaming to

986
00:52:46,640 –> 00:52:49,680
Facebook.
They made it so only a certain

987
00:52:49,680 –> 00:52:51,880
group of people could have it at
1st.

988
00:52:51,880 –> 00:52:53,600
And who?
The Youngs?

989
00:52:53,680 –> 00:52:56,200
The cool kids.
And then we were just like,

990
00:52:56,280 –> 00:52:59,400
fucking let me add it, let me
add it.

991
00:52:59,440 –> 00:53:01,720
And goodbye democracy.
Hello.

992
00:53:01,760 –> 00:53:05,880
Genocide in Burma and yeah,
China and India.

993
00:53:06,080 –> 00:53:08,920
And not to be And this on.
Too bad of a note.

994
00:53:08,920 –> 00:53:10,520
I don’t know how you get off
this ride, man.

995
00:53:10,800 –> 00:53:12,760
I I really don’t.
I don’t think we do.

996
00:53:12,920 –> 00:53:15,480
Not even looking at this
election or being like about any

997
00:53:15,480 –> 00:53:17,360
of that.
But it’s just like, I don’t see

998
00:53:17,360 –> 00:53:19,920
the solution.
I don’t see a fix that’s going

999
00:53:19,920 –> 00:53:22,600
to come along because there’s
too many people that are too

1000
00:53:23,000 –> 00:53:25,680
their brains are too melted now,
they’re too addicted to the

1001
00:53:25,680 –> 00:53:27,640
dopamine.
It’s gone too far, to the point

1002
00:53:27,640 –> 00:53:31,040
where how do you turn that
around without really hurting a

1003
00:53:31,040 –> 00:53:34,040
lot of people?
And people act like divide and

1004
00:53:34,040 –> 00:53:39,040
conquer isn’t the most famous
strategy of all time.

1005
00:53:39,520 –> 00:53:43,560
And think about how divided we
are now.

1006
00:53:43,640 –> 00:53:48,120
And I say it all the time.
All it’s really done is made it

1007
00:53:48,120 –> 00:53:52,720
so this government can do what
whatever they want, always with

1008
00:53:52,720 –> 00:53:57,800
about 50% support of the public
because it’s one side says it,

1009
00:53:57,880 –> 00:53:59,480
the other side’s going to say
it’s bad.

1010
00:53:59,760 –> 00:54:02,000
Like national Internet I always
bring up.

1011
00:54:02,040 –> 00:54:05,280
We obviously need it, but one
side mentions it and the other

1012
00:54:05,280 –> 00:54:07,120
side will be like, fuck you, you
fascists.

1013
00:54:07,520 –> 00:54:09,040
You’re not building national
Internet.

1014
00:54:09,040 –> 00:54:13,000
We will when we get in office
and then we get in office and

1015
00:54:13,000 –> 00:54:17,080
the right is like you fucking
fascists are not building a

1016
00:54:17,080 –> 00:54:21,240
national Internet, turning our
kids into trans people.

1017
00:54:22,120 –> 00:54:23,840
Just joking.
We wouldn’t call them people.

1018
00:54:24,080 –> 00:54:26,920
Obviously I’ve taken up so much
your time.

1019
00:54:26,920 –> 00:54:28,960
I really appreciate it, but we
should probably wrap up, yeah.

1020
00:54:29,080 –> 00:54:31,280
Yeah, I think that’s our
episode.

1021
00:54:31,280 –> 00:54:33,560
Yeah.
Hey, Zach, thank you so much for

1022
00:54:33,560 –> 00:54:35,200
doing the pod.
I appreciate it.

1023
00:54:35,360 –> 00:54:37,840
What do you have to plug before
we get out of here?

1024
00:54:38,000 –> 00:54:41,760
So I officially had my last day
at Up Rocks last month and I am

1025
00:54:41,760 –> 00:54:44,480
now Chief Brand Officer for
Blackwood Distilling.

1026
00:54:44,880 –> 00:54:47,720
So I’ve got some whiskey and rye
that’s going to be heading your

1027
00:54:47,720 –> 00:54:50,080
way so you can taste it and.
Into it.

1028
00:54:50,440 –> 00:54:52,800
Very into it.
We we are a Kentucky brand now.

1029
00:54:52,800 –> 00:54:56,840
We started in 2020 and I was
brought on to extend the brand

1030
00:54:56,840 –> 00:54:58,560
just nationwide and
internationally.

1031
00:54:58,560 –> 00:55:01,600
So I’m going to be your go to
guy if you need some bourbon or

1032
00:55:01,600 –> 00:55:05,000
rye and look me up at ZTP
whiskey on Instagram, you can

1033
00:55:05,000 –> 00:55:07,640
find me there and you can see
where I’m heading next.

1034
00:55:07,640 –> 00:55:09,640
So you can try it too, if I’m in
your neighborhood.

1035
00:55:10,000 –> 00:55:13,960
Very nice and I think that’s it.
Let’s get the fuck outta here,

1036
00:55:13,960 –> 00:55:15,600
Zach.
Say goodbye.

1037
00:55:15,720 –> 00:55:17,360
Goodbye everybody.
Goodbye everybody.

1038
00:55:17,360 –> 00:55:26,480
We love you, people of Earth.
Your planet has to be destroyed.

1039
00:55:36,440 –> 00:55:38,240
Your planet has to be destroyed.