Conspiracy! The Show 287: The Death of Elvis Presley Pt. 4: The Incredible Hulk Investigates

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Welcome to Conspiracy The Show,
the world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast, with
your hosts Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia Hydar.
Hey everybody, welcome to

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Conspiracy the show.
I am your host, Adam Todd Brown

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joining me as Co host this week.
Oh, my favorite Co host of all.

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No Co host, but I do have a
couple of guests who are my Co

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hosts on another podcast.
Andy fucking Cell and Travis

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motherfucking Clark are here.
How’s everybody doing?

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It’s great to be here everybody,
lovely to see you all.

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Andy and Travis are my Co hosts
on a podcast called You Don’t

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Even Like This Band where we
talk about music, things of the

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like, as you’d expect.
And they’re joining me this week

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because I’m wrapping up my four
part investigation into the

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strange death of Elvis Presley.
It’s not my investigation.

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People have looked into it.
It’s more my investigation of

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the various investigations and
the books and all the Elvis is

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alive.
Yeah, that’s out there.

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Not all of it.
There’s so much but.

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I think you could dedicate your
entire life to it and not cover

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all of it.
Oh yeah, there’s a lot to the

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Elvis conspiracy, sort of.
It’s not that there’s a lot to

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the theory behind it, it’s just
there’s a lot of, there’s a lot

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of stuff.
Case in point, we’re covering 2

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television specials today.
Two, The Elvis Files 1991 and

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The Elvis Conspiracy 1992, both
improbably hosted by Bill Bixby.

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Half of televisions.
The Incredible Hulk.

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Bill Bixby.
Where do you think Lou Ferrigno

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stands on the Elvis situation?
He said a host of the second

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one.
Yeah, right.

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Or there should have been a
scene where somebody in the

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audience made Bill Bixby super
angry and then he just, he just.

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Do a.
Whole.

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Yeah, do a smoke effect with a
mild pyrotechnic and a trash

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door and then no Ferrigno comes
out.

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Close on his eyes with the green
lenses, rip you know, bend over

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with the pre ripped shirt and
then baboom you know.

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Beauty.
Human.

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Stupid Elvis.
Dead Elvis.

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No Alive.
Hulk.

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No Hulk friend.
Hulk used to do Elvis hair very

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close.
That’s a preview.

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Both of these television
specials come from right before

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that time, before the government
very successfully stigmatized

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the word conspiracy.
Now this TV special would be on

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Fox Nation at best, but
probably, I don’t know, Newsmax

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or something.
It’s also during a time when

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this could have been a a flop
and 20 million people would have

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still watched it.
Yeah, there’s only four

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channels, you know.
And on top of that, there was

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this other really weird period
of time from the late 80s to the

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early 90s where if you were an
older actor who was on a hit TV

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show, you hosted one of these
call in conspiracy shows.

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The guy who played Trapper John
on MASH did a couple about

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aliens.
This is the retirement fund,

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because everybody’s going to pay
$2.00 a minute to tell you their

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opinion of what they’re talking
about.

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Yeah, $2.00 a minute.
What do you mean?

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That’s what the So during the
show, they throw it up a 900

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number, $900, number, $900.
Yeah.

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And you have to call in to be
like, I think Elvis is alive or

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to be like one guy who’s like, I
think Elvis is Howard Stern’s

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penis.
Bubba booey, Bubba booey or

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whatever.
He said he tried to Baba Booey

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Bill Bixby.
Was that wasn’t that Howard

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Stern?
Maybe, I don’t know.

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How do we get that grift going
on this podcast is my question.

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I want people calling in $2.00 a
minute to give me your opinion.

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That sounds way better than just
hit us up in the comments.

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Fuck you.
Give me $2.00 a minute, $2.00 a

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minute.
I have a long standing policy of

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if you want to know how I feel
about a movie, Venmo me $35.

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A minute.
Yeah, that’s actually a very

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good policy.
Anyway, I tried calling that 900

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number and literally the
recording was you’re not allowed

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to call this number from your
phone.

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You’re so big.
Cellular is trying to keep the

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truth.
You have to call from Graceland.

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Yeah, I.
Think so, yeah.

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Or Kalamazoo, MI.
And that said, I don’t

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necessarily think that was a
worse time in American history

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when we were all willing to talk
about stuff like this and do it

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publicly and be like, hey, maybe
I’m wrong, but let’s hear it

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out.
Adam it was a decidedly better

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time because in the second one
of these, the Elvis Conspiracy

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special, they left the
commercials in.

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Oh my God, that was.
The best?

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$0.59 at Burger King so.
Yeah.

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Better time.
Undeniably good time, Yeah.

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I’m glad you bring that up
because I do have a point about

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that later.
Is it going to be about the Taco

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Bell commercial starting?
No, no, it’s going to.

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Be Buddy T.
Graham Brown the.

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Commercials were a fun flashback
to a time I had forgotten.

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Yeah, I remembered all of those
commercials.

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Same.
Before we get into the specials

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themselves, what was everyone’s
thoughts on Elvis possibly

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faking his death before you went
into this?

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Travis, you go first.
So it sounds like that’s going

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to happen.
I think that there are

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compelling arguments pro.
I don’t think a lot of them were

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covered in the special.
I think faking maybe more had to

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disappear more than faked his
death to disappear from the

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limelight or whatever the the
thing was.

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So I I think possible but I I do
feel he passed away in 77.

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Andy, how about you?
The extent of my investment in

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it at all is that I love the
movie Bubba Hotep and.

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That’s.
About it I.

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When it comes to celebrity
deaths and hoax, you know when

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Jim Morrison or Tupac or
whoever, it’s always.

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Kaufman, Yeah.
Yeah, it’s, I’m always, you

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know, if they I don’t care, I’m
gonna go ahead and assume that

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they’re dead.
And if they’re not, good for

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them.
They fooled me.

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Yeah.
And if I understand you

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correctly, you think Elvis faked
his death but became Tupac is

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what you’re saying?
That makes sense, yeah.

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Yes, yes, yeah, Tupac is Elvis
and OK, I can’t.

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I figured it would be a bridge
too far in terms of time

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expenditure, but I’ve done 3
episodes about this.

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The past three episodes they
were all solo episodes.

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And I do think I’ve said
everyone who listens to this

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podcast knows this, but I do
think there are a lot of really

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compelling coincidences that
happen near the end of Elvis’s

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public life that line up with
this FBI investigation that he

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was clearly involved in.
That’s in his FBI files.

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All of that stuff about
Frederick Peter Pro, the guy who

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scammed him out of $400,000 and
an airplane, that’s all in his

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FBI files.
And all the details of that

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investigation line up really,
really well with Elvis’s death

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in August 1977, including the
part where they presented that

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case to the grand jury a day
before Elvis died.

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Yeah, when they get to that
timeline stuff, I’m like, OK,

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yeah, maybe there’s something to
this whole Freddie PP story.

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In this, they even leave, I
think a really important part of

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the timeline out.
There’s a lot of questions

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around Elvis’s medical report,
the medical examiner’s report.

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And one of the weird things they
leave out of that timeline is

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the timing of when that was
released, because they present

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this case to a grand jury.
On or around August 15th, Elvis

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dies August 17th, this medical
examiner takes over his autopsy

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and it’s like, I have
jurisdiction over it.

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I’m doing it.
No one else gets to be involved

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and he sits on it, sits on it,
sits on it, sits on it.

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And then October 19th, 1977, the
first arrests happen in this

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case.
And finally on October 21st,

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they released that medical
examiner’s report.

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And from there the question
becomes not, oh, was Elvis

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involved in this huge FBI
investigation that we just found

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out about?
It becomes did he really die of

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drugs or was it a heart attack
like the medical examiner says?

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I mean, I accept that they it
could all just be coincidences,

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but I say it all the time.
We wouldn’t accept it as a

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coincidence in a true crime
documentary.

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No, we’d be interviewing the
telephone pole that he passed

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by.
You know, they go really deep on

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those things.
There’s the strange thing that

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they talk about Elvis’s health.
Some of these people who claim

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to be close to him were like, he
was so strong, he was going to

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live forever.
And then the people were like,

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he was so frail.
He was falling apart.

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He knew.
Yeah, like.

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What?
What the fuck?

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Well, I think that actually
speaks to there being more to

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this because if Elvis did, I
don’t, I fake his death is the a

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weird way to put it.
If he joined witness protection,

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that’s what it would be.
He joined witness protection.

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He didn’t fake his death, but
the government would have faked

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his death for him.
What you have to take into

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account, if that’s really what
happened, it wouldn’t be a thing

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where no one knows.
They wouldn’t be able to get

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away with that.
Some people around Elvis would

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have to know and they would have
to play along.

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And so if there was this cover
story of, oh, his health was

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declining, he was way into drugs
and it finally did him in,

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there’s going to be people who
are going to keep pushing that

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story because that’s their role
in it.

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We know Elvis made way more
money after death than he did

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when he was alive.
There was plenty of money to pay

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people to just lie, to just be
like, yeah man, Elvis was doing

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all the fucking drugs.
Meanwhile he might not have

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been.
That might have been a cover

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story.
Yeah, by the way, I am available

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for Elvis.
Why?

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Money.
If you want to pay me money to

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lie about Elvis, please.
Yeah.

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Either way too, no I don’t have
a team just.

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Yeah, yeah, I will tell you
Elvis was actually a Yeti that

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telekinetically made you think
he was a human.

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I will 100% back that just, you
know, put put it in the venom.

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Oh, we got it.
If you want to make it more

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elaborate, I’ll say that he was
shaved every day by a team of

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groomers.
It wasn’t telekinesis.

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Oh interesting.
He was just a Yeti that had to

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be shaved every day.
Well, how about this?

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He didn’t die in 1977, but he
did die with the Heaven’s Gate

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colt in 97.
He did, yeah, after he cut off

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his own balls.
Right, right.

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Well, he’s Elvis.
Someone cut them off for him.

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That’s true.
They.

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Shaved them off for him.
When you’re a celebrity in a

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cult.
I need you to take care of my

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fellows down there because I
need to go join the Hail Bopp

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comic.
Oh, what do you think of the

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Gene Smith interview?
He is Elvis’s cousin who talks

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about the casket.
He’s.

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Like a fucking Mr. Show
character, this guy.

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But here’s the thing, you’re
just saying that because he’s

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got a Southern accent.
Well.

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Yeah, it’s the way he talks.
What do you?

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Expect Elvis’s inner circle to
talk like he was from fucking

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Memphis.
You want him to be like, well,

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actually I approached Elvis’s
casket and ahoy Hoy Hoy.

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There were sweat beads on his
fore.

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Into Memphis.
Everybody there talks like the

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Brady Gremlin.
Of course this guy’s going to

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sound like a fucking hillbilly
when he’s talking, because he

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kind of is.
But what about what he’s saying?

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He’s not the only one who’s
like, man, Elvis looked weird in

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that casket.
But everybody looks weird in

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their casket.
Exactly.

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If you ever been to an open
casket funeral, it’s surreal.

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Several fucked up.
They don’t look right.

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That’s not.
Always a weird thing, you go

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through shots.
That is not always the case.

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That is absolutely not always
the case that the person doesn’t

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look like OK, why did he have
sweat beads on his head?

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Because they sprayed it and.
What did they spray?

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Why did they spray?
Why did they spray his head?

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The hair stylist says he had to
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were showing because he has
white hair and they had to dye

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his hair every day.
That’s actually a really

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important detail because Elvis
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the day he died, but he didn’t
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and he didn’t order any costumes
for that tour.

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Why?
It was a throwback tour.

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He already had all the stuff he
already had.

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Anything.
It was a nude tour.

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Yeah, like that time Rob Zombie
was like, I’m just going to wear

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AT shirts and jeans this time.
It’s like, have you not been

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doing that this whole time?
I didn’t know you.

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Mean the whole yeah, yeah.
And Elvis did want to go do a

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couple of Halloween movies,
right?

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He went and directed a few of
those.

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No, he actually was.
They made the Michael Myers mask

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out of a mold of his face.
That’s what, Zombie one.

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It’s a common misconception.
Everybody thinks it’s the same

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William Shatner mold.
It is not.

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It’s Elvis.
Yeah, it’s an Elvis death mask.

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What do we think about his name
being misspelled I.

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Didn’t understand that even a
little bit.

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I just think so much of this
stuff, if there’s a if there is

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an actual conspiracy here, if he
did join witness protection and

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all that, it just feels like
there’s a lot that just fucking

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weirdness to make it confusing.
Yes, I think that is very

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possible that a lot, and I’ve
said that a bunch in these past

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three episodes that I think if
this happened, if Elvis joined

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witness protection, there’s
absolutely an element to it

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where people are just feeding
people fake information so they

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can discredit them once they put
it out.

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There’s a documentary we bring
up all the time on this podcast

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called Mirage Men.
It’s about a guy named Richard

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Doty whose entire job with the
government was that if you were

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out, say near Roswell or
something or Area 51 and you

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took a picture of something that
the government didn’t want you

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to talk about instead of you
can’t murder everyone.

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That’s I mean, they could and I
don’t know why they don’t.

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That would just be easier.
But what what they would do,

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what Richard Doty’s job would be
in that case, is go out to that

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person and be like, hey, you
have no idea how right you are.

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Here’s some additional
information.

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And then that information would
be complete bullshit.

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And it would be very easy to
verify that it was complete

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bullshit.
And they would wait for that

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person to go public with that
and then come out and be like,

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see, this person’s a liar even
though they’ve never discredited

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the first thing.
But now that that person has

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this track record of putting out
false information, you can just

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be like, yeah, you can’t believe
a word they say.

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The Gary Webb CIA selling crack
in the United States story is a

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great example of that.
If you ask history now, most

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people will tell you that story
was discredited.

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It was not discredited.
The LA Times and the New York

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Times went to the fucking mat to
just make it seem like Gary

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Webb’s reporting wasn’t quite
what it could have been.

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They never took on the actual
details of the story or looked

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into any of that.
It was all well, he said.

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They sold a lot of crack in LA,
but it wasn’t a lot.

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OK, so now that equals
discredited.

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No, but because the New York
Times just came out with any

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question at all, now people are
like, yeah, but that story was

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proven false, right?
Sure wasn’t.

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You just got to control the
narrative, right?

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Just to sow enough seeds of
doubt.

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Everybody’s going to go well.
The whole thing’s bullshit.

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Yeah.
And I think that I’ve said

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before, I think that’s kind of
how the government approached

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the Internet, because the
Internet was obviously going to

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be a place where people who had
obtained information about

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government scandals in the past
could go and share that with

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people.
And if you’re the government,

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what do you do?
Do you handle those cases 1 by 1

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because they’re going to get
really big really fast on the

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Internet, or do you just make
this conscious effort to

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stigmatize the word conspiracy?
And now anything that is

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questioning of the government’s
official version of events is a

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conspiracy.
There’s this RFK junior

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interview out there.
I think Andy was on the episode

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where we talked about it where
this podcast host was just

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trying to get RFK Junior to say
some conspiracy shit.

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And in the process of that he’s
like, so are you saying Al Qaeda

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did not do 9/11?
Buddy?

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A lot of people say Al Qaeda
didn’t do 9/11.

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That is not even that much of A
conspiracy anymore.

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Al Qaeda did 9/11 is the
justification we used to invade

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Iraq.
A lot of people question that

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part of the story now, but you
can’t question things like that

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anymore without it being
conspiracy.

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Well, I’m just in general, I’m
more inclined to believe that

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kind of stuff about things like
911 or Pearl Harbor or, you

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know, the CIA flooding the
cities with crack cocaine,

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because those are big wide, you
know, those are institutional

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things.
It’s not about one celebrity and

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their whatever.
OK, but all we’re talking about

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here is someone joining witness
protection I brought up on the

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last episode.
It’s not even a conspiracy,

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really.
They’re not going to tell you.

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But this isn’t a nefarious
government doing If Elvis

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disappeared the way GAIL Brewer,
Giorgio and the people who were

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pushing this theory think, So
what?

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We don’t deserve to know.
That’s my ultimate thing with

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this is just if that’s the case
and you guys are fans of his,

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why are you trying to find him?
He doesn’t want to be found.

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But I’m also just curious if
somebody of Elvis’s stature

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publicly wanted to disappear
like that, is that even

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possible?
One of the things that is

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brought up in a lot of Elvis
biographies, it’s brought up in

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all the books about this, is you
would think, well, Elvis was so

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huge and so recognizable, he
couldn’t even leave the house

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without being mobbed by people,
right?

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Wrong.
Because one, there was a huge

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Elvis impersonator industry way
before he died, and Elvis talked

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himself about how all he had to
do to go out in public was just

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aggressively look like Elvis.
Big glasses, big sideburns, the

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whole bit.
And he could walk up to a fan

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and be like, hey, I’m actually
Elvis.

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And they’d be like, fuck you, I
know Elvis.

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Elvis went out on a casting call
for Elvis impersonators once and

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did not get the job.
That’s amazing he did it as a.

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Joke because he was like they’re
no, no way are they going to

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think actual Elvis showed up and
he was right.

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There was, there’s a story like
that about Dolly Parton where

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she went to a Dolly Parton look
alike contest and came in third.

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Yeah.
And it also comes up a lot with

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a conspiracy like this.
People will be like, well,

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someone would talk, Someone
would say something, and OK,

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would you believe them if they
did?

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Or did you just think they’re
lying?

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Lots of people have come forward
and said, no, I fucking saw

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Elvis.
I took a picture of Elvis, but

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you’re not going to believe
them.

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Elvis could sit next to you on a
plane and be like, listen, time

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to confess.
I fucking faked my death.

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Here’s the proof.
You’re not going to believe him.

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No one’s going to believe anyone
who talks about this.

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And that’s why when we talk
about it being a conspiracy

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versus it being just a witness
protection thing, yeah, the

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witness protection, the death
hoax, whatever, that’s not the

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conspiracy.
The conspiracy is all of this

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other shit that’s possibly there
to misdirect.

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And The thing is, who knows how
much of it is intentional

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conspiracy stuff and how much of
it is just, well, if you throw a

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couple conflicting pieces of
information out there, it’s

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going to stir up some crazies
and that’s going to create all

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the subterfuge you need.
Yeah, I think the same thing

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about all the inconsistencies
about his body and what position

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it was in, what he was wearing,
all the stuff about the medical

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examiner’s report.
I think if this happened, I said

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this on the last episode, I know
I’m repeating a bunch of stuff,

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but I think if this happened, I
think if Elvis joined witness

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protection, all of that is a
part of it.

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All of that is just meant to
say, well, all right, well, how

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come this person says this about
how his body was found, and then

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this person says this and this
person says this, and then these

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medical examiners, he says this
about the autopsy.

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He says this about the autopsy.
I don’t think there was an

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autopsy.
I don’t think there was a body

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found if he joined witness
protection.

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That part is way too elaborate.
The easier thing is just pay

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people to lie, like and just
tell whatever story you want.

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Say you found Elvis standing on
his fucking head.

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We just need there to be enough
confusion that no one knows.

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You don’t even need to include
enough people to risk people

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knowing stuff to leak because
people like Maria Columbus, You

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just give them a little bit of
something to chew on and they

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will do the work for you.
They don’t need to be clued in,

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they’ll just go out there and
create a smokescreen on their

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own.
Yeah, the Maria Columbus thing.

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She was the president of the
longest running Elvis fan club

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and she was in the first The
Elvis Files documentary,

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whatever you want to call it.
And her whole thing was that

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Elvis’s dad called and said
don’t come to the funeral.

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And I think that was just a
grieving father being like,

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please don’t hound me and my
family with you weird shit.

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You’re already someone I don’t
really like.

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OK, wait, but why would he do a
public viewing if that was the

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case?
You’re going to tell the people

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most likely to be respectful of
your wishes not to come, but

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you’re also going to invite the
fucking circus to come.

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That’s a good point, yeah.
But.

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That wasn’t there for the
viewing.

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That was there for the after the
viewing, right When?

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Because when she did get there.
He wanted them to not come to

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the public viewing the same
public viewing that Elvis’s

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cousin says, man, that didn’t
look like his body.

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There’s actually a few different
people who viewed that body up

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close and we’re like, doesn’t
look right.

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And yeah, her thinking was,
well, they didn’t want the

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people who would be most likely
to ask questions to show up.

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And I don’t know how you justify
oh they just wanted privacy and

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a public viewing.
I think it’s more we don’t want

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someone who’s going to be a
disturbance.

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And I think Maria Columbus hurt
her spin on that is, you know,

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we’re going to ask questions.
And I think that it’s a grieving

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father being like, I don’t want
this.

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And I think that’s a reasonable
explanation, even if there is a

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little bit of hypocrisy in it.
She’s a president of a fan club.

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Yeah, I wouldn’t want her there
either.

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Well, Speaking of hypocrisy, if
you dig into Elvis’s dad’s

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personality and even Elvis
personality, they were not the

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types who would want a public
viewing.

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Fans be damned.
If you don’t get to see Elvis

432
00:23:40,760 –> 00:23:42,680
body, you don’t get to see Elvis
fucking body.

433
00:23:43,280 –> 00:23:46,800
The fact that there was a public
viewing at all, 1:00 and that

434
00:23:46,800 –> 00:23:52,800
they arranged it as fast as they
did is strange to me because

435
00:23:52,800 –> 00:23:55,640
they had that public viewing
ready to go by 11:00 AM the next

436
00:23:55,640 –> 00:23:57,560
day.
And what’s the rush?

437
00:23:57,760 –> 00:24:03,240
What is the rush to get Elvis’s
body in front of people but also

438
00:24:03,360 –> 00:24:05,320
tell his biggest fans don’t
come?

439
00:24:05,640 –> 00:24:09,160
Yeah, I don’t know, just stuff
like that never convinces me

440
00:24:09,160 –> 00:24:11,560
’cause it’s just people make
weird choices.

441
00:24:11,800 –> 00:24:14,200
There’s stuff that doesn’t make
sense when things like this

442
00:24:14,200 –> 00:24:16,200
happen.
People aren’t thinking clearly a

443
00:24:16,200 –> 00:24:20,240
lot of the time, you know?
But let’s go back to the name on

444
00:24:20,240 –> 00:24:21,640
the gravestone.
Yes.

445
00:24:21,840 –> 00:24:25,040
OK, so people aren’t thinking
clearly in the moment.

446
00:24:25,200 –> 00:24:27,520
This is a typo.
Why wouldn’t you fix it?

447
00:24:28,080 –> 00:24:30,360
That’s the name.
Yeah, that that feels like an

448
00:24:30,360 –> 00:24:33,600
easy fix.
You got the the new headstone

449
00:24:33,600 –> 00:24:35,360
guy and he’s just like, what’s
the middle name?

450
00:24:35,360 –> 00:24:36,680
Aaron.
I know how to spell Aaron.

451
00:24:36,680 –> 00:24:39,000
You got it.
And then, yeah, puts one too

452
00:24:39,000 –> 00:24:41,440
many A’s in there.
And yeah, you could fix that.

453
00:24:41,440 –> 00:24:42,600
I don’t know why they haven’t.
Fixed it.

454
00:24:42,800 –> 00:24:45,280
The gravestone thing is
confusing for a number of

455
00:24:45,280 –> 00:24:47,320
reasons, because yeah, you could
fix it easy.

456
00:24:47,320 –> 00:24:50,600
But also, if it’s part of a
conspiracy, why still?

457
00:24:50,600 –> 00:24:53,120
Why not fix it?
That’s the stuff that’s

458
00:24:53,120 –> 00:24:55,240
confusing.
I think it’s the numerology

459
00:24:55,240 –> 00:24:58,080
shit.
No, see, I think, I don’t know.

460
00:24:58,080 –> 00:25:01,000
I’ve, I mentioned this before, I
didn’t go into any of the

461
00:25:01,000 –> 00:25:03,760
numerology stuff because I don’t
buy it.

462
00:25:03,800 –> 00:25:08,800
I think Gale Brewer Giorgio was
on the right track in her first

463
00:25:08,800 –> 00:25:13,440
book where she explains that the
reason Elvis would not put his

464
00:25:13,520 –> 00:25:17,960
actual name on a gravestone is
just religious superstition.

465
00:25:18,120 –> 00:25:22,880
His family was super religious,
very superstitious, and the idea

466
00:25:22,880 –> 00:25:27,600
of putting a living son’s name
on a gravestone would just be

467
00:25:27,800 –> 00:25:31,200
tempting fate in a way they
weren’t willing to tempt fate.

468
00:25:31,200 –> 00:25:36,040
There are other plaques at
Graceland that say Elvis Aaron

469
00:25:36,040 –> 00:25:40,600
Presley with 1A.
It’s everywhere else.

470
00:25:40,760 –> 00:25:45,240
His name is spelled with 1A but
one on his gravestone, it’s

471
00:25:45,240 –> 00:25:48,480
spelled incorrectly.
And also his gravestone isn’t

472
00:25:48,520 –> 00:25:51,160
where he said he wanted to be
buried.

473
00:25:51,200 –> 00:25:54,040
He said he wanted to be buried,
read next to his mom, and

474
00:25:54,040 –> 00:25:57,000
instead his gravestone is
between his dad and his

475
00:25:57,000 –> 00:25:59,600
grandmother.
Why would you just ignore

476
00:25:59,840 –> 00:26:05,320
Elvis’s wishes in that moment
and just put him somewhere else?

477
00:26:05,480 –> 00:26:09,920
Is it likely that they would
fuck that up also and never fix

478
00:26:09,920 –> 00:26:12,360
it?
Yeah, I mean, it’s such a big

479
00:26:12,360 –> 00:26:15,880
debacle at some point is it just
it’s more embarrassing to fix it

480
00:26:15,880 –> 00:26:17,640
than to leave it?
How would it be more

481
00:26:17,640 –> 00:26:20,520
embarrassing to fix it?
Well, it’s like when you spill

482
00:26:20,520 –> 00:26:22,080
something because.
You’re admitting you fucked up.

483
00:26:22,360 –> 00:26:25,640
And you try to wash it off with
water and it just makes it look

484
00:26:25,640 –> 00:26:28,800
worse and next thing you know
you have a big stain on your

485
00:26:28,800 –> 00:26:30,960
shirt as opposed to just the
little one that would have been

486
00:26:30,960 –> 00:26:32,720
there.
You think they would have been

487
00:26:32,720 –> 00:26:35,080
embarrassed by fixing the name
on the gravestone?

488
00:26:35,640 –> 00:26:37,280
I don’t know, not really.
I can’t.

489
00:26:37,280 –> 00:26:38,520
I’m just figure out what was
the.

490
00:26:38,600 –> 00:26:40,160
Newest advocate?
Thank you.

491
00:26:40,160 –> 00:26:42,160
For once.
I’m just curious what the

492
00:26:42,160 –> 00:26:45,280
numerology, I didn’t, I didn’t
understand what the numerology

493
00:26:45,280 –> 00:26:48,720
thing even was trying to say,
which he was like, yeah.

494
00:26:49,280 –> 00:26:53,280
GAIL is right.
If Elvis was into numbers the

495
00:26:53,280 –> 00:26:55,920
way people say he was, and it
does seem like he was, numerous

496
00:26:55,920 –> 00:26:58,960
people are into numerology.
Elvis was into all sorts of

497
00:26:58,960 –> 00:27:00,320
weird spirits.
Weird.

498
00:27:00,320 –> 00:27:04,120
Just a mystical shit.
Elvis was paranoid as fuck too

499
00:27:04,160 –> 00:27:05,640
by the end.
I’ll tell you what, my mother my

500
00:27:05,640 –> 00:27:08,160
favorite Tool album is Letter
Alice because I like all the

501
00:27:08,160 –> 00:27:13,680
weird Tom signatures in it.
OK, now how did Elvis say that

502
00:27:13,800 –> 00:27:15,800
if that Tool album wasn’t even
out when he died?

503
00:27:15,800 –> 00:27:21,200
Travis.
He described the Alex Grey

504
00:27:21,200 –> 00:27:25,680
artwork and the packaging of
that album to AT and a little

505
00:27:25,680 –> 00:27:28,960
float out fold out slip case and
you know there’s a little

506
00:27:28,960 –> 00:27:31,640
hologram effect you’re.
Going to get a headache if

507
00:27:31,640 –> 00:27:33,160
you’re staring it for a long
time, but it’s going to be a

508
00:27:33,160 –> 00:27:37,600
headache you like.
What did we think about the

509
00:27:37,600 –> 00:27:41,280
handwriting analysis?
That was fucking weird.

510
00:27:41,760 –> 00:27:44,320
And here’s the thing where I
thought about it.

511
00:27:44,680 –> 00:27:47,400
It seemed very convincing that
the death certificate and the

512
00:27:47,520 –> 00:27:49,920
and Elvis was written in Elvis’s
handwriting.

513
00:27:50,120 –> 00:27:53,040
In which case, how bad of a
cover up were they doing where

514
00:27:53,040 –> 00:27:53,880
it was like, yeah.
Right.

515
00:27:54,560 –> 00:27:56,200
Yeah, hold on, I’ll just write
my own desk.

516
00:27:56,200 –> 00:27:56,680
Give.
Me a second.

517
00:27:56,680 –> 00:27:59,040
Here’s the paper real quick.
So died this way.

518
00:27:59,040 –> 00:28:01,280
Anybody got a pen?
Everybody done?

519
00:28:01,680 –> 00:28:03,560
Hold on.
Let me assign this John Burrow.

520
00:28:03,560 –> 00:28:08,080
Exactly how I normally, yeah,
any any time they do the

521
00:28:08,080 –> 00:28:10,680
handwriting shit, I don’t care.
This doesn’t mean anything.

522
00:28:10,840 –> 00:28:15,000
I get that it’s not conclusive
proof, but it’s strange.

523
00:28:15,000 –> 00:28:17,880
I’m not a handwriting expert,
but I don’t.

524
00:28:18,120 –> 00:28:21,360
And this takes me back to the
question I always have Who would

525
00:28:21,360 –> 00:28:24,000
you believe?
Who would it take to look at

526
00:28:24,000 –> 00:28:26,840
this and be like, yeah, that’s
fucking Elvis’s handwriting?

527
00:28:26,880 –> 00:28:30,240
Well, who would you need to
convince you of that?

528
00:28:30,400 –> 00:28:34,120
Within handwriting analysis
circles, there’s often

529
00:28:34,120 –> 00:28:37,320
disagreement, right?
Authorities will come in and

530
00:28:37,320 –> 00:28:39,600
debunk other authorities in the
area.

531
00:28:39,600 –> 00:28:43,640
And even in this, the first one,
we had that handwriting analysis

532
00:28:43,640 –> 00:28:45,480
that’s like, Oh yeah, it’s the
same guy.

533
00:28:45,680 –> 00:28:49,040
And then in Elvis Conspiracy,
somebody’s like, well, this

534
00:28:49,040 –> 00:28:51,560
matches and this matches, but
this doesn’t match, and that’s

535
00:28:51,560 –> 00:28:53,200
important.
So it’s not the same guy.

536
00:28:53,200 –> 00:28:56,280
Yeah, in the second one, the
lady goes, it’s an 80% match.

537
00:28:56,280 –> 00:28:58,480
You’re like, oh shit, she’s
saying it’s Elvis and she goes

538
00:28:59,040 –> 00:29:02,920
two different people.
It’s an 80% badge, could put in

539
00:29:02,920 –> 00:29:06,440
two different people.
What methodology are you using

540
00:29:06,440 –> 00:29:08,080
here?
There’s anything I learned from

541
00:29:08,080 –> 00:29:11,080
the movie Zodiac.
It’s that handwriting stuff is

542
00:29:11,160 –> 00:29:13,360
is a quagmire.
Yeah.

543
00:29:13,560 –> 00:29:18,240
And they don’t ever, I think,
convincingly prove that it’s his

544
00:29:18,520 –> 00:29:21,440
handwriting.
I find the thing about him

545
00:29:21,440 –> 00:29:24,960
filling out his own medical
report a little far fetched.

546
00:29:25,160 –> 00:29:30,560
I think the part where if he was
involved in an FBI investigation

547
00:29:30,560 –> 00:29:32,760
and joined witness protection, I
don’t find.

548
00:29:32,760 –> 00:29:37,080
The part where he would have
corrected the suspect’s name on

549
00:29:37,080 –> 00:29:39,840
a document in his own
handwriting, I don’t find that.

550
00:29:41,280 –> 00:29:44,800
I have a handler that’s like,
all right, Elvis, I get that you

551
00:29:44,800 –> 00:29:48,000
think you’re an agent.
Pump your brakes, buddy.

552
00:29:48,360 –> 00:29:53,120
Stop writing on shit.
Yeah, somebody would have to go.

553
00:29:53,480 –> 00:29:56,240
You know, this is easily
provable, that this is your

554
00:29:56,240 –> 00:29:58,280
handwriting.
Maybe let me write the death

555
00:29:58,280 –> 00:30:00,680
certificate for you, buddy.
Let me, I’ll fill it out for

556
00:30:00,680 –> 00:30:02,440
you.
Yeah, they don’t get to it in

557
00:30:02,440 –> 00:30:06,040
this documentary, but what is
everyone’s thoughts on Elvis

558
00:30:06,240 –> 00:30:09,960
having ADEA badge?
Well, he had one.

559
00:30:10,600 –> 00:30:13,760
Yeah, that’s the thing.
It’s not a question of whether

560
00:30:13,760 –> 00:30:16,360
he had one, it’s a question of
how serious he was.

561
00:30:16,520 –> 00:30:19,760
I think he’s like Steven Seagal.
I think he really wants to be a

562
00:30:19,760 –> 00:30:22,800
cop, but everybody’s sort of
like, yeah, you’re a cop.

563
00:30:22,800 –> 00:30:25,160
Sure.
I think it’s all honorary.

564
00:30:25,200 –> 00:30:28,880
Where’s the hundreds of pages in
Steven Seagal’s FBI files about

565
00:30:28,880 –> 00:30:33,840
him assisting the DEA and the
FBI in investigations?

566
00:30:34,240 –> 00:30:37,360
Have you not seen Steven Seagal
Lawman, which is an entire

567
00:30:37,560 –> 00:30:40,560
series about him?
You’re basing that on your

568
00:30:40,560 –> 00:30:44,640
feelings about Steven Seagal and
not about what you’ve actually

569
00:30:44,640 –> 00:30:49,760
looked into or read about Elvis.
And I think that is a leap a lot

570
00:30:49,760 –> 00:30:52,960
of people immediately make is,
oh, well, it was just honorary,

571
00:30:53,120 –> 00:30:56,720
OK.
Elvis had, he was also a member

572
00:30:56,720 –> 00:30:59,680
in good standing of the
California Narcotics Officers

573
00:30:59,680 –> 00:31:02,400
Association.
And that was also just honorary.

574
00:31:02,640 –> 00:31:05,800
He went and visited the FBI the
same month he went and visited

575
00:31:05,800 –> 00:31:09,400
the Nixon White House and they
thanked him for his assistance

576
00:31:09,720 –> 00:31:12,880
or his offer of confidential
assistance to the FBI.

577
00:31:13,240 –> 00:31:16,280
You think Elvis was lying about
wanting to be a cop?

578
00:31:16,440 –> 00:31:19,200
No, I don’t think he was lying
about wanting to be a cop.

579
00:31:19,200 –> 00:31:21,480
I think he very earnestly wanted
to be a cop.

580
00:31:21,480 –> 00:31:24,360
And I think that because he was
Elvis, these different

581
00:31:24,360 –> 00:31:29,160
organizations would let him do
ride alongs, essentially, and be

582
00:31:29,160 –> 00:31:31,320
involved in things.
And when it comes to documents,

583
00:31:31,320 –> 00:31:34,720
yeah, the FBI was spying on
fucking everybody.

584
00:31:34,720 –> 00:31:38,080
Of course there’s documents.
But it’s not them spying there,

585
00:31:38,440 –> 00:31:41,960
it’s legal files about a fucking
investigation he was involved

586
00:31:41,960 –> 00:31:42,360
in.
They’re not.

587
00:31:42,360 –> 00:31:44,840
It’s not them spying.
Well, that’s, are you talking

588
00:31:44,840 –> 00:31:47,160
about the Freddie Pee pee stuff?
Yeah, Yeah.

589
00:31:47,440 –> 00:31:49,240
Well, yeah.
That’s because that wasn’t, he

590
00:31:49,240 –> 00:31:52,040
was swindled, he was conned.
So that’s a case that directly

591
00:31:52,040 –> 00:31:53,640
involves him.
So of course, yeah, there’s

592
00:31:53,640 –> 00:31:55,720
documentation of that.
He’s a witness.

593
00:31:55,720 –> 00:31:58,520
He’s a whatever.
I think that I just don’t, I

594
00:31:58,520 –> 00:32:01,480
don’t think that beyond, I think
beyond that it’s all, it’s

595
00:32:01,480 –> 00:32:03,800
honorary.
I don’t think that he, I think

596
00:32:03,800 –> 00:32:07,800
it’s a mix, you know?
Yeah, I’m sure it’s a mix, but a

597
00:32:07,800 –> 00:32:12,080
mix is still a mix.
And if it’s a mix, part of that

598
00:32:12,080 –> 00:32:16,840
mix is Elvis was a cop.
I just, I get really frustrated

599
00:32:16,840 –> 00:32:20,240
when it comes to Occam’s Razor
because people will throw

600
00:32:20,240 –> 00:32:23,400
Occam’s razor in my face
whenever it’s convenient.

601
00:32:23,480 –> 00:32:27,000
But in a moment like this, Elvis
got a DEA badge.

602
00:32:27,160 –> 00:32:29,200
What’s the most likely outcome
of that?

603
00:32:29,480 –> 00:32:31,320
What’s the most likely
explanation?

604
00:32:31,480 –> 00:32:34,360
What’s the explanation that
requires the fewest leaps in

605
00:32:34,360 –> 00:32:36,520
logic?
Said Elvis got a DEA badge

606
00:32:36,520 –> 00:32:39,280
because Elvis was DEA.
Yeah, but he didn’t go through.

607
00:32:40,160 –> 00:32:43,040
He didn’t go.
He didn’t become like that.

608
00:32:43,120 –> 00:32:45,920
He wasn’t being sent out on
operation.

609
00:32:45,920 –> 00:32:51,200
Do you know that he visited the
Nixon White House in December

610
00:32:51,200 –> 00:32:54,080
1970?
Go look at Elvis’s career

611
00:32:54,080 –> 00:32:58,040
timelines.
He does nothing for the next

612
00:32:58,040 –> 00:33:01,680
year and a half and then finally
gets his DEA badge like a year

613
00:33:01,680 –> 00:33:04,840
and a half later.
What was he doing in between

614
00:33:04,960 –> 00:33:09,000
those two things that he finally
got that badge that he asked for

615
00:33:09,200 –> 00:33:10,560
a year and a half earlier?
What?

616
00:33:10,600 –> 00:33:13,120
What was happening?
There’s a point in the Elvis

617
00:33:13,120 –> 00:33:15,720
conspiracy special where they
asked somebody, you know, does

618
00:33:15,720 –> 00:33:20,800
he go visit or did he ever visit
So and so did he take a year off

619
00:33:20,800 –> 00:33:23,160
to do this or that?
And someones like, no, he was

620
00:33:23,160 –> 00:33:25,520
always under the public eye.
He wouldn’t have been able to do

621
00:33:25,520 –> 00:33:27,680
any of this stuff.
And I agree with that.

622
00:33:27,680 –> 00:33:30,880
I don’t I think that him
visiting the Nixon White House

623
00:33:30,880 –> 00:33:34,240
is proof of exactly nothing.
Celebrities visit presidents.

624
00:33:34,240 –> 00:33:37,720
And I don’t dispute the letter
he wrote to Nixon where he

625
00:33:39,000 –> 00:33:42,760
delusionally says that he has an
in with youth culture in the

626
00:33:42,760 –> 00:33:46,160
1970s.
Nobody had less of an in with

627
00:33:46,160 –> 00:33:48,240
youth culture in the 1970s than
Elvis.

628
00:33:48,240 –> 00:33:50,840
Youth in the 1970s, You don’t
fucking know that.

629
00:33:51,000 –> 00:33:53,520
And what?
How would he not have an in?

630
00:33:53,640 –> 00:33:58,880
You Honestly, Okay, you think if
Taylor Swift wrote a fucking

631
00:33:58,880 –> 00:34:02,560
letter to the president was
like, look, I’ll spy on

632
00:34:02,560 –> 00:34:05,080
motherfuckers for you.
I love this country that much.

633
00:34:05,360 –> 00:34:09,639
You think they’d be like, OK,
thank you, Miss Swift for your

634
00:34:09,639 –> 00:34:13,320
offer, but we got this.
Fuck no.

635
00:34:13,480 –> 00:34:16,960
They would absolutely take her
up on that and they would

636
00:34:17,120 –> 00:34:21,199
absolute, especially at the dawn
of the war on drugs.

637
00:34:21,440 –> 00:34:25,639
Nixon announced the war on drugs
and Elvis immediately swings

638
00:34:25,639 –> 00:34:29,280
into action and offers to help.
And you honestly think the

639
00:34:29,280 –> 00:34:30,840
American government would say
no?

640
00:34:30,880 –> 00:34:32,800
Why?
He lists he.

641
00:34:32,880 –> 00:34:35,239
I don’t think the American
government would say no.

642
00:34:35,440 –> 00:34:38,360
I just, I don’t think that he
would be effective in any way.

643
00:34:38,360 –> 00:34:41,520
I don’t think talks about the
SDS and the Black Panthers

644
00:34:41,760 –> 00:34:44,120
trusting him.
And no, they fucking wouldn’t.

645
00:34:44,239 –> 00:34:46,960
Are you kidding me?
OK, he was delusional about

646
00:34:46,960 –> 00:34:49,520
that, but that’s not who he went
after.

647
00:34:49,639 –> 00:34:50,560
Yeah, yeah.
No, he go.

648
00:34:50,560 –> 00:34:55,080
He went after the fraternity,
the comic book organized crime

649
00:34:55,080 –> 00:34:57,280
syndicate.
They exist.

650
00:34:57,280 –> 00:34:59,200
I mean, they’re, they were a
real thing.

651
00:34:59,360 –> 00:35:00,440
I Yeah.
And if they?

652
00:35:00,880 –> 00:35:03,960
I I don’t know why that’s a
comic book detail.

653
00:35:03,960 –> 00:35:08,240
Just the way it’s described as
it’s the 30 or 40 best con men

654
00:35:08,240 –> 00:35:09,920
in the world.
Maybe it?

655
00:35:09,920 –> 00:35:13,240
Is denying they exist.
I’m just saying that I don’t

656
00:35:13,240 –> 00:35:16,640
know if I trust this Luke Dion
guy as some kind of authority.

657
00:35:16,640 –> 00:35:19,840
What they say he’s a Quebec.
I mean politically.

658
00:35:19,920 –> 00:35:22,400
Advisor.
There’s FBI files about that

659
00:35:22,400 –> 00:35:25,320
whole investigation.
Well, clearly you’ve done

660
00:35:25,320 –> 00:35:28,680
research that I haven’t done.
I’m just saying, based on the

661
00:35:28,680 –> 00:35:31,960
the information provided in
these specials, it all just

662
00:35:31,960 –> 00:35:36,720
seems like a lot of
contradictory, confusing stuff,

663
00:35:36,720 –> 00:35:40,360
which is, yeah, I think that’s
it’s subterfuge.

664
00:35:40,520 –> 00:35:43,440
I just think Elvis was a narc.
Sure.

665
00:35:43,640 –> 00:35:46,560
Was he some kind of secret
agent?

666
00:35:46,800 –> 00:35:49,080
No.
I think it’s more likely that he

667
00:35:49,080 –> 00:35:55,120
testified against these guys and
out of fear of reprisals, went

668
00:35:55,120 –> 00:35:57,520
into hiding.
You are saying essentially the

669
00:35:57,520 –> 00:36:00,360
same thing.
Yeah, I just think that when we

670
00:36:00,360 –> 00:36:03,440
start pointing at a bunch of
stuff, people are grabbing shit

671
00:36:03,440 –> 00:36:06,720
and running all the way to the
fucking end zone with it.

672
00:36:06,880 –> 00:36:08,880
I have a question about the
badges though.

673
00:36:09,240 –> 00:36:12,000
And Adam, it seems like you
probably know this or at least

674
00:36:12,000 –> 00:36:15,800
have more research on this.
Was he collecting badges from

675
00:36:15,800 –> 00:36:18,960
different agencies or was he
targeting ones like the DEA one?

676
00:36:19,000 –> 00:36:21,320
Because I think that says a lot
more about his state of mind.

677
00:36:21,320 –> 00:36:23,560
If he just loved law
enforcement, was collecting

678
00:36:23,880 –> 00:36:26,840
badges like check in badges on
Yelp, then he’s just a

679
00:36:26,840 –> 00:36:28,800
collector.
But if he was like I only want

680
00:36:28,800 –> 00:36:32,760
this DEA one and I only want
this California Narcotics 1.

681
00:36:33,000 –> 00:36:36,120
All of his badges were drug
related, every single one.

682
00:36:36,280 –> 00:36:39,960
And when he wrote this letter to
Nixon, one of the things they

683
00:36:39,960 –> 00:36:43,480
mentioned is, or one of the
things he mentioned is that he

684
00:36:43,480 –> 00:36:47,520
had been nominated one of the
outstanding young men for 1971.

685
00:36:47,520 –> 00:36:49,000
And I was like, what the fuck
does that mean?

686
00:36:49,240 –> 00:36:51,800
And I looked into it.
For one, George Bush is the one

687
00:36:51,800 –> 00:36:54,760
who awarded him that
certificate.

688
00:36:54,760 –> 00:36:56,880
So now it’s a conspiracy, George
Bush.

689
00:36:57,080 –> 00:36:59,120
But.
Yeah, you know what?

690
00:36:59,120 –> 00:37:03,440
Say no more.
But he also got that nomination.

691
00:37:03,520 –> 00:37:09,560
He was sponsored for it by the
former sheriff of Memphis for

692
00:37:09,560 –> 00:37:15,480
his work in the field of drugs.
So what was Elvis doing in the

693
00:37:15,480 –> 00:37:19,680
field of drugs that the same
sheriff who nominated him for

694
00:37:19,680 –> 00:37:24,600
this award, who also escorted
him to FBI headquarters to offer

695
00:37:24,600 –> 00:37:28,200
his assistance there?
What did Elvis do in the field

696
00:37:28,200 –> 00:37:32,480
of drugs to get on the sheriff
of Memphis’s good side?

697
00:37:32,680 –> 00:37:36,720
And that’s all right before he
starts going out and requesting

698
00:37:36,800 –> 00:37:39,960
DEA badges.
I feel like he was doing side

699
00:37:39,960 –> 00:37:42,920
hustle cop shit before he even
approached the White House.

700
00:37:42,920 –> 00:37:47,120
That’s interesting because if
he’s just a law enforcement fan

701
00:37:47,120 –> 00:37:51,120
broadly, then it’d be like, oh,
I want an NYPD badge, I want an

702
00:37:51,120 –> 00:37:53,000
LAPD.
Like he wants badges from

703
00:37:53,000 –> 00:37:55,440
different things.
But the fact that he’s targeting

704
00:37:55,440 –> 00:37:58,560
these, these specific agencies
is interesting.

705
00:37:58,560 –> 00:38:01,760
And yeah, I think it says a lot
about at least how he viewed

706
00:38:01,760 –> 00:38:04,560
himself.
He has a focus for sure.

707
00:38:04,560 –> 00:38:08,000
What is exactly?
Again, you’re coming at this

708
00:38:08,000 –> 00:38:11,280
with so much more information
than I am, Adam, I so much of

709
00:38:11,280 –> 00:38:14,400
this was frustrating for me to
watch because it felt like there

710
00:38:14,400 –> 00:38:17,000
wasn’t any clear context to most
of it.

711
00:38:17,240 –> 00:38:20,720
Yes, it was a lot of little bits
of information and a lot of

712
00:38:20,720 –> 00:38:23,640
conjectures and assumptions made
about that information that I

713
00:38:23,640 –> 00:38:25,000
didn’t see any other groundwork
on.

714
00:38:25,000 –> 00:38:27,160
And then occasionally something
would be referenced where I

715
00:38:27,160 –> 00:38:29,520
would be like, OK, but you
didn’t talk about that.

716
00:38:29,520 –> 00:38:31,400
Yeah.
And this person has a different

717
00:38:31,400 –> 00:38:34,240
story than that person.
So it’s, it was frustrating for

718
00:38:34,240 –> 00:38:35,840
me.
But look what I don’t know.

719
00:38:35,840 –> 00:38:38,640
And what I’m curious about then
is what the fuck exactly was

720
00:38:38,640 –> 00:38:44,760
Elvis’s problem with weed?
Why did he want to aid this shit

721
00:38:44,800 –> 00:38:48,560
so much?
I think Elvis, in his mind, was

722
00:38:48,720 –> 00:38:52,320
just a patriot.
I think people underestimate how

723
00:38:52,320 –> 00:38:56,880
much Elvis loved law enforcement
and how much he loved his

724
00:38:56,880 –> 00:38:58,920
country.
And he says it right in that

725
00:38:58,920 –> 00:39:01,040
letter.
These people view you as the

726
00:39:01,040 –> 00:39:04,040
establishment.
But I, I love you as America.

727
00:39:04,120 –> 00:39:08,200
And I think when Nixon made that
announcement about the war on

728
00:39:08,200 –> 00:39:11,800
drugs, I think something went
off in Elvis’s head and he was

729
00:39:11,800 –> 00:39:14,560
like, shit, everyone around me
is doing drugs.

730
00:39:14,640 –> 00:39:16,560
I bet I can fucking help with
that.

731
00:39:16,880 –> 00:39:20,480
And what’s interesting to me is
one, Elvis didn’t do illegal

732
00:39:20,480 –> 00:39:22,560
drugs.
We know he did a ton of drugs,

733
00:39:22,560 –> 00:39:25,160
but do we know he did a ton of
drugs?

734
00:39:25,160 –> 00:39:29,520
Because all the prescription
stuff kind of starts after he

735
00:39:29,720 –> 00:39:32,240
starts reaching out trying to
get DEA badges.

736
00:39:32,440 –> 00:39:37,480
And, and on the second Elvis
episode, I covered this ABC 2020

737
00:39:37,480 –> 00:39:42,360
report from back after he died
1978, I think it came out and

738
00:39:42,760 –> 00:39:45,520
hosted by Geraldo Rivera.
So I don’t trust it a bit.

739
00:39:46,000 –> 00:39:51,600
But one thing that’s interesting
is the whole focus of that

740
00:39:51,680 –> 00:39:55,680
report is how Elvis had all
these doctors around him who

741
00:39:55,680 –> 00:39:58,400
were writing prescriptions
illegally.

742
00:39:58,720 –> 00:40:02,920
Well, that sounds familiar.
What are the chances that that

743
00:40:02,920 –> 00:40:06,680
was one of the things Elvis was
looking into instead of Elvis?

744
00:40:06,760 –> 00:40:09,760
Because I know this part sounds
fucking nuts and I don’t know

745
00:40:09,760 –> 00:40:13,240
how much I trust it, But there
are people in different Elvis

746
00:40:13,240 –> 00:40:17,400
biographies, people in his inner
circle who swear he would

747
00:40:17,560 –> 00:40:22,000
pretend to be high but not
really be high and it was like

748
00:40:22,000 –> 00:40:26,160
he was just spying on the room.
One of his step brothers talks

749
00:40:26,160 –> 00:40:30,480
about how Elvis could be talking
to you and reading someone’s

750
00:40:30,480 –> 00:40:35,200
lips across the room.
He just had this ability to know

751
00:40:35,320 –> 00:40:38,240
everything that was happening in
the room, and I think it’s

752
00:40:38,240 –> 00:40:40,320
because he just got off on cop
shit.

753
00:40:40,800 –> 00:40:42,360
Yeah.
Oh, a cab includes Elvis, don’t

754
00:40:42,360 –> 00:40:44,360
get me wrong.
A cab includes Elvis, yeah.

755
00:40:44,360 –> 00:40:47,200
Absolutely.
But I think you can’t

756
00:40:47,240 –> 00:40:50,360
underestimate that part.
I think Elvis was just

757
00:40:50,480 –> 00:40:54,520
fascinated with law enforcement.
There’s a story out there you

758
00:40:54,520 –> 00:40:57,960
can Google.
Elvis Hamburger James What?

759
00:40:58,320 –> 00:41:01,000
Yeah, like the Comedian
hamburger.

760
00:41:01,120 –> 00:41:02,480
What?
Nevermind, nevermind.

761
00:41:03,120 –> 00:41:04,560
Burger.
Hamburger.

762
00:41:04,560 –> 00:41:07,520
There is a story in a bunch of
Elvis biographies.

763
00:41:07,520 –> 00:41:10,080
I told people on the last
episode to Google it if they

764
00:41:10,080 –> 00:41:14,160
don’t believe me.
Elvis one time stopped a flight

765
00:41:14,200 –> 00:41:17,600
on the tarmac in Las Vegas
because he thought a guy who

766
00:41:17,600 –> 00:41:20,240
stole from him was on that
flight.

767
00:41:20,520 –> 00:41:24,640
And he stopped that flight with
his federal agent badge and the

768
00:41:24,640 –> 00:41:27,160
guy he was chasing his name?
Hamburger James.

769
00:41:27,160 –> 00:41:31,160
It’s a very famous Elvis story.
Elvis does it and it’s a fun

770
00:41:31,160 –> 00:41:33,760
time.
DMX does it and it’s a fucking

771
00:41:33,760 –> 00:41:35,840
negative headline.
It’s.

772
00:41:36,360 –> 00:41:39,800
Did DMX have a badge though?
Oh no, I think he just pretended

773
00:41:39,800 –> 00:41:41,560
he had a badge.
Yeah, that’s.

774
00:41:41,600 –> 00:41:42,600
Big difference.
That’s true.

775
00:41:42,600 –> 00:41:43,200
Fair.
Yeah.

776
00:41:43,200 –> 00:41:44,920
OK, you know what?
Never mind.

777
00:41:45,800 –> 00:41:49,400
Apologies to Elvis.
So, yeah, and you’re absolutely

778
00:41:49,400 –> 00:41:53,320
right that there’s a lot in both
of these documentaries that I

779
00:41:53,320 –> 00:41:56,160
think was meant to muddle the
story.

780
00:41:56,160 –> 00:41:58,400
I don’t believe any of the Elvis
phone calls.

781
00:41:58,600 –> 00:42:03,720
I think that’s fucking nonsense.
There’s one that I can’t find

782
00:42:03,880 –> 00:42:07,320
confirmation of it now, but
under the YouTube video where

783
00:42:07,320 –> 00:42:11,600
that call is posted, someone
says in Elvis in person came out

784
00:42:11,840 –> 00:42:15,360
shortly thereafter, Yeah.
There’s reference in the second

785
00:42:15,640 –> 00:42:19,160
in the conspiracy Elvis
conspiracy that the audio played

786
00:42:19,160 –> 00:42:23,320
in Elvis files was debunked and
they know who did it.

787
00:42:23,360 –> 00:42:25,960
And yes, it was.
You know Elvis impersonator and

788
00:42:25,960 –> 00:42:31,200
they paid him $250 to that’s it.
That’s all they paid him was 250

789
00:42:31,200 –> 00:42:35,480
bucks to do a phone call and
which sounds stupid low but at

790
00:42:35,480 –> 00:42:41,000
this time you could buy 423
cheeseburgers with $250.

791
00:42:41,320 –> 00:42:43,840
Hey, that’s true.
Yeah, Yeah.

792
00:42:44,000 –> 00:42:47,040
Yeah, there’s another one.
I actually have an audio

793
00:42:47,040 –> 00:42:50,360
cassette of it because GAIL
Brewer Giorgio’s first book came

794
00:42:50,360 –> 00:42:55,520
with an audio cassette of this
alleged Elvis recording.

795
00:42:55,720 –> 00:43:00,360
And the thing I read about it,
which is from a book called

796
00:43:00,360 –> 00:43:02,480
Elvis is Alive, but it’s a
different.

797
00:43:02,480 –> 00:43:04,360
It’s very confusing.
There’s a lot of Elvis books

798
00:43:04,360 –> 00:43:06,400
with the same title.
But what the person who wrote

799
00:43:06,400 –> 00:43:11,160
that book claims is that that
Elvis phone call is actually a

800
00:43:11,160 –> 00:43:16,520
mash up of an interview he did
in 1962 and a monologue he did

801
00:43:17,000 –> 00:43:19,320
during a concert.
And they’re spliced together,

802
00:43:19,520 –> 00:43:23,960
and the person names the two
albums where you can find them.

803
00:43:23,960 –> 00:43:27,960
But the problem is those albums
are not on streaming services.

804
00:43:28,640 –> 00:43:31,200
One of them’s on YouTube, but
it’s three hours long, and

805
00:43:31,200 –> 00:43:34,640
there’s no chapters, no
indication of what starts where.

806
00:43:34,720 –> 00:43:40,000
So I’m going to try and find the
sources of that first call and

807
00:43:40,000 –> 00:43:43,360
see, because sometimes the
person debunking stuff is lying

808
00:43:43,360 –> 00:43:45,360
to like that.
Yeah, happens.

809
00:43:45,880 –> 00:43:49,080
So I don’t know, but I
absolutely, if Elvis joined

810
00:43:49,080 –> 00:43:51,680
witness protection, I don’t
think he called GAIL Brewer

811
00:43:51,680 –> 00:43:54,280
Giorgio, I don’t think he went
to fucking Kalamazoo.

812
00:43:54,440 –> 00:43:57,440
If he did go to Kalamazoo, he
wasn’t living under the name.

813
00:43:57,440 –> 00:43:59,520
He signed the fucking Nixon
letter.

814
00:43:59,600 –> 00:44:02,800
That all feels like distractions
and shit.

815
00:44:03,360 –> 00:44:06,640
It also feels like he’s the
worst asset at that point, like

816
00:44:06,640 –> 00:44:08,400
he did.
You don’t really want to be

817
00:44:08,400 –> 00:44:11,240
hidden, you know.
You’re bad at this, Elvis.

818
00:44:11,240 –> 00:44:13,480
Yeah.
Go back to your island and grow

819
00:44:13,480 –> 00:44:15,400
your fucking beard out again
man.

820
00:44:15,760 –> 00:44:17,880
I’m the best cop there’s ever
been and you’ll never find me.

821
00:44:17,880 –> 00:44:20,160
Just all you got to do is look
for my handwriting and any

822
00:44:20,160 –> 00:44:22,960
pseudonym I’ve ever used and.
If you see a guy that looks like

823
00:44:22,960 –> 00:44:25,360
me, it’s me.
Also just look up my Social

824
00:44:25,360 –> 00:44:26,920
Security number, I’m still using
it.

825
00:44:27,440 –> 00:44:31,080
I will be at the building that
is registered in my name anytime

826
00:44:31,080 –> 00:44:35,160
you want to come look for me.
Yeah, that all feels like red

827
00:44:35,160 –> 00:44:37,840
herring stuff.
If Elvis did join witness

828
00:44:37,840 –> 00:44:40,520
protection, there’s no way he
went to fucking Kalamazoo.

829
00:44:41,040 –> 00:44:43,120
No.
But if we’re going to, if we’re

830
00:44:43,120 –> 00:44:48,680
going to go witness protection
true, then these things could

831
00:44:48,680 –> 00:44:53,480
also be true and are intentional
red herrings done by the CIA or

832
00:44:53,480 –> 00:44:55,000
the FBI.
Oh yeah, that’s what I mean.

833
00:44:55,040 –> 00:44:58,080
Because that would be pretty
easy.

834
00:44:58,080 –> 00:45:01,440
Although that would be risky
too, because if he is in witness

835
00:45:01,440 –> 00:45:05,160
protection, you don’t have any
assurance that the people who

836
00:45:05,160 –> 00:45:08,400
want to kill Elvis won’t just go
kill this fucking John Burroughs

837
00:45:08,840 –> 00:45:12,400
guy.
But at the same time, it feels

838
00:45:12,400 –> 00:45:16,120
like a really convenient thing
where you can put this guy out

839
00:45:16,120 –> 00:45:18,880
there who’s pretending to be
Elvis in Kalamazoo.

840
00:45:19,080 –> 00:45:22,800
And then if the heat really gets
to be too much, you just do

841
00:45:22,800 –> 00:45:25,600
whatever you need to do to prove
that that guy’s not Elvis.

842
00:45:25,640 –> 00:45:27,520
And then that’s going to shut
everyone up.

843
00:45:27,520 –> 00:45:28,920
You thought this guy was in
Kalamazoo?

844
00:45:28,920 –> 00:45:30,040
No, he’s not.
Next do.

845
00:45:30,040 –> 00:45:34,200
We know if there was an influx
of Elvis impersonator murders

846
00:45:34,280 –> 00:45:35,760
during this time.
Like where?

847
00:45:35,760 –> 00:45:39,280
Like.
That’s the real conspiracy.

848
00:45:39,280 –> 00:45:43,400
This backfired and the mob just
started offing Elvis

849
00:45:43,400 –> 00:45:46,280
impersonators for years and the
government doesn’t want us to.

850
00:45:46,760 –> 00:45:48,560
Know eventually we’re going to
get one of them.

851
00:45:48,560 –> 00:45:51,120
Eventually it’s going to be the
guy we’re looking for.

852
00:45:53,840 –> 00:45:56,160
Oh man.
I just, yeah, I don’t believe

853
00:45:56,200 –> 00:45:58,600
any of the sighting stuff.
I think if he joined witness

854
00:45:58,600 –> 00:46:01,560
protection he fucked off to
Argentina or some shit, yeah.

855
00:46:01,880 –> 00:46:04,800
That guy that takes a photo at
Graceland.

856
00:46:04,920 –> 00:46:07,880
Jesus, Mike, Joseph, Mark, Joe,
whatever his.

857
00:46:07,880 –> 00:46:10,120
Name Joseph.
He takes that photo at

858
00:46:10,120 –> 00:46:15,400
Graceland, and I’m sorry, no
fucking way is Elvis just going

859
00:46:15,400 –> 00:46:19,160
to sit there with that door wide
open for you to get a photo of

860
00:46:19,160 –> 00:46:20,000
him?
No.

861
00:46:20,200 –> 00:46:24,800
And what’s interesting about
that photo, they interview Mike

862
00:46:24,800 –> 00:46:27,320
Joseph in this, and he’s like,
yeah, I took the picture and

863
00:46:27,320 –> 00:46:28,840
darn toot.
And it looks like Elvis.

864
00:46:29,040 –> 00:46:34,000
Meanwhile, Gale Brewer, Giorgio
goes on Larry King after that at

865
00:46:34,000 –> 00:46:37,760
one point, and she’s talking
about that photo, and she’s

866
00:46:37,760 –> 00:46:40,480
like, yeah, Mike Joseph said he
thinks it’s Elvis.

867
00:46:40,480 –> 00:46:43,560
And Mike Joseph calls in and is
like, I never said that.

868
00:46:43,760 –> 00:46:46,680
Dude, you are on a television
documentary saying that.

869
00:46:47,720 –> 00:46:49,440
What do?
You, you looked Bill Bixby in

870
00:46:49,440 –> 00:46:53,480
his fucking non hulked out eyes
and you said I took a photo of

871
00:46:53,480 –> 00:46:56,360
Elvis.
Through his giant glasses.

872
00:46:56,480 –> 00:46:59,760
By the way, I’m.
My next pair of glasses are

873
00:46:59,760 –> 00:47:02,600
going to be Bixby’s.
I’m going Bixby with my glasses.

874
00:47:02,600 –> 00:47:04,160
Yeah.
I mean you could call those

875
00:47:04,160 –> 00:47:06,720
Bixby’s, but those look like
Dahmer’s to me if you want to

876
00:47:06,720 –> 00:47:09,480
get real.
Yeah, I’m, I mean, who did it

877
00:47:09,480 –> 00:47:11,320
first?
I’m not asking who wore it

878
00:47:11,320 –> 00:47:12,320
better.
I’m asking.

879
00:47:12,440 –> 00:47:15,240
Did it first.
I think Dahmer did it first.

880
00:47:15,360 –> 00:47:16,960
Right.
No, no.

881
00:47:17,040 –> 00:47:22,120
No, no, Bigsby for sure.
Joe Esposito, he comes up in

882
00:47:22,120 –> 00:47:25,440
this and I won.
Don’t trust him a bit, but I

883
00:47:25,440 –> 00:47:30,400
bring him up because Mike Joseph
when he called in to Larry King

884
00:47:30,600 –> 00:47:32,760
to say no, I never said that was
Elvis.

885
00:47:32,920 –> 00:47:36,680
Joe Esposito, who comes up in
the second documentary as this

886
00:47:36,680 –> 00:47:40,080
guy who’s meant to reassure us
that everything people are

887
00:47:40,080 –> 00:47:42,800
saying about Elvis is false.
Meanwhile I don’t trust shit

888
00:47:42,800 –> 00:47:45,440
this guy says.
He’s on Larry King also and says

889
00:47:45,440 –> 00:47:47,960
no, the guy in the window is
this other guy.

890
00:47:48,120 –> 00:47:51,640
And then someone else from
Elvis’s inner circle calls in

891
00:47:51,920 –> 00:47:53,600
and goes no, it’s actually this
guy.

892
00:47:54,000 –> 00:47:57,280
So no one knows who the fuck is
in that picture it seems.

893
00:47:57,880 –> 00:48:01,040
I think it’s just some dude at
Was it Graceland?

894
00:48:01,200 –> 00:48:04,200
Yeah, I don’t think Elvis would
have fucking hung around

895
00:48:04,360 –> 00:48:08,280
Graceland after this.
No, but also two men of a

896
00:48:08,280 –> 00:48:11,440
certain age made Elvis their
whole personality, so it was

897
00:48:11,440 –> 00:48:14,720
very easy to find people who
looked Elvis like, who probably

898
00:48:14,720 –> 00:48:18,680
wanted to go to a place where
Elvis lived at one point, Yeah.

899
00:48:19,480 –> 00:48:22,640
Yeah, I don’t buy anything about
that picture.

900
00:48:22,680 –> 00:48:24,560
I think that picture is
bullshit.

901
00:48:24,840 –> 00:48:28,160
The Elvis recording session
where he talks about Reagan

902
00:48:28,160 –> 00:48:31,160
getting shot?
OK, how convenient is that?

903
00:48:32,200 –> 00:48:34,200
Hold on everybody, I’m just
breaking news right now.

904
00:48:35,520 –> 00:48:37,760
I just heard that.
The Challenger space shuttle

905
00:48:37,760 –> 00:48:39,280
explosion.
What did he get?

906
00:48:39,280 –> 00:48:43,920
A text.
Where’s this breaking news?

907
00:48:43,960 –> 00:48:48,080
Because somebody did APA fly in
with a sheet of paper and tap

908
00:48:48,080 –> 00:48:49,440
him on the fucking shoulder.
I.

909
00:48:49,440 –> 00:48:53,040
Just been handed a note.
While he’s recording an album,

910
00:48:53,040 –> 00:48:55,520
which is a thing you should not
be doing Elvis.

911
00:48:55,640 –> 00:48:57,680
Hold on just a minute.
Just now I’m just I’m being told

912
00:48:57,680 –> 00:48:59,200
the price of Bitcoin is
plummeting.

913
00:48:59,800 –> 00:49:01,400
Everybody just sell your
Bitcoin.

914
00:49:02,520 –> 00:49:05,320
I’m buying stock in GameStop.
Oh no, John Lennon.

915
00:49:08,520 –> 00:49:11,320
Just just Elvis.
Doing we didn’t start the fire.

916
00:49:13,560 –> 00:49:16,080
Oh man, yeah.
Hold on, I’m being told to price

917
00:49:16,080 –> 00:49:18,080
a cheeseburger is no longer
$0.59.

918
00:49:18,080 –> 00:49:21,080
Is that right?
Oh my God, everybody go to

919
00:49:21,080 –> 00:49:23,920
Burger King A.
Lot of the plane has hit the has

920
00:49:23,920 –> 00:49:26,440
hit the World Trade Center.
I got to go in and warn George W

921
00:49:26,440 –> 00:49:28,880
Bush.
Yeah, the commercials in this

922
00:49:28,880 –> 00:49:31,120
are interesting.
They left a lot of the

923
00:49:31,120 –> 00:49:33,960
commercials in these.
Yeah, there’s a lot.

924
00:49:33,960 –> 00:49:36,640
There’s one commercial that
keeps coming up where the

925
00:49:36,640 –> 00:49:38,560
woman’s like, I’ll use my mom
so.

926
00:49:38,560 –> 00:49:43,280
No, no, no, no.
My momma’s tampon.

927
00:49:44,200 –> 00:49:47,000
That I had forgotten about that
commercial.

928
00:49:47,840 –> 00:49:50,680
And that commercial showed up at
least four times during the

929
00:49:50,680 –> 00:49:53,440
commercial breaks.
And I was like, who allowed this

930
00:49:53,440 –> 00:49:56,520
to be a commercial of a lady
talking about sharing her

931
00:49:56,520 –> 00:49:58,520
mother’s tampon?
Who did that?

932
00:49:58,520 –> 00:50:00,720
Yeah.
It it’s the only commercial that

933
00:50:00,720 –> 00:50:03,560
comes up multiple times, I
think, and it’s a lot.

934
00:50:03,560 –> 00:50:07,600
And I’m starting to think that
big tampon, actually big

935
00:50:07,600 –> 00:50:12,480
menstrual products, killed Elvis
and then created an entire

936
00:50:12,480 –> 00:50:16,040
conspiracy industry so they
could sell more tampons.

937
00:50:16,320 –> 00:50:20,680
I wouldn’t doubt that one bit.
What do we think about Kelly

938
00:50:20,680 –> 00:50:22,960
Burgess?
Which one was she?

939
00:50:23,040 –> 00:50:27,440
She’s the one who says she she
met John Burroughs in Kalamazoo,

940
00:50:27,480 –> 00:50:29,600
MI.
By.

941
00:50:29,760 –> 00:50:33,840
Going to an office building that
she said she found out he owned

942
00:50:33,840 –> 00:50:37,800
and then just going into every
room and asking about Elvis.

943
00:50:37,880 –> 00:50:41,120
And asking over and over until
he stopped replying and then she

944
00:50:41,120 –> 00:50:43,200
left right.
Wasn’t that the story was

945
00:50:43,200 –> 00:50:47,320
eventually he was just he kind
of entertained her for a bit and

946
00:50:47,320 –> 00:50:49,360
after a while was just like,
Yep, Yep.

947
00:50:49,360 –> 00:50:50,880
And then she’s like and then
walked away.

948
00:50:51,040 –> 00:50:54,800
Yeah, so much about her story
just does not make sense from a

949
00:50:54,800 –> 00:51:00,000
witness protection standpoint.
And again, this is, I brought

950
00:51:00,000 –> 00:51:03,040
this up on the last episode.
This is what I’m talking about

951
00:51:03,040 –> 00:51:07,240
when I say this is not a
nefarious conspiracy one.

952
00:51:07,240 –> 00:51:11,120
And two, if it’s a conspiracy,
I’m on the conspirators side

953
00:51:11,320 –> 00:51:14,880
here.
I what Kelly Burgess and Gale

954
00:51:14,880 –> 00:51:18,160
Brewer Giorgio are doing in this
moment, if they’re right, would

955
00:51:18,480 –> 00:51:22,360
very easily get Elvis killed
because they’re saying he’s not

956
00:51:22,360 –> 00:51:27,120
only alive, he’s in Kalamazoo,
MI and furthermore, he’s at this

957
00:51:27,120 –> 00:51:29,960
one specific office building
downtown.

958
00:51:30,320 –> 00:51:33,920
Yeah, well.
I’m here in Kalamazoo, MI making

959
00:51:33,920 –> 00:51:36,320
original Gibson guitars where we
were originally made.

960
00:51:36,320 –> 00:51:38,000
Right here.
Now we’re called the Heritage,

961
00:51:38,360 –> 00:51:40,160
but we’re making original Gibson
guitars.

962
00:51:40,160 –> 00:51:43,320
My name’s John Burroughs.
I just.

963
00:51:43,640 –> 00:51:47,760
I don’t think that anything
involved with her is conspiracy.

964
00:51:47,800 –> 00:51:52,000
I think she’s just one of those
busy bodies that a conspiracy

965
00:51:52,000 –> 00:51:54,200
loves because it will create
confusion.

966
00:51:54,280 –> 00:51:58,520
Yeah, she’s got this whole thing
and her son comes in too and

967
00:51:58,520 –> 00:52:01,480
talks about it and they’re, the
idea is, well, we were kicked

968
00:52:01,480 –> 00:52:03,760
out for getting too close to the
truth and no, you were kicked

969
00:52:03,760 –> 00:52:07,800
out for being a fucking place of
business.

970
00:52:08,120 –> 00:52:10,680
Yeah, there’s this second
documentary.

971
00:52:10,680 –> 00:52:12,880
What do you want to call it?
They allowed live call

972
00:52:12,880 –> 00:52:16,960
insurance, right?
And one of the call in questions

973
00:52:16,960 –> 00:52:19,680
was like, why are you trying to
profit off of this or something

974
00:52:19,680 –> 00:52:21,760
like that?
And Bill Bixby says the most

975
00:52:21,760 –> 00:52:25,000
bullshit answer.
He was like, we’re trying to

976
00:52:25,080 –> 00:52:28,440
disprove rumors.
You were putting crazy people on

977
00:52:28,440 –> 00:52:30,880
national television.
That’s what you’re doing.

978
00:52:30,880 –> 00:52:34,520
You’re not doing some
investigatory service to the

979
00:52:34,520 –> 00:52:36,800
world and showing how Elvis
isn’t alive.

980
00:52:37,000 –> 00:52:40,080
You’re letting anybody who took
a photo of a stranger who looks

981
00:52:40,080 –> 00:52:43,280
semi like Elvis have a national
platform for an evening.

982
00:52:43,680 –> 00:52:49,080
And yeah, it’s just weird.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised

983
00:52:49,240 –> 00:52:52,280
if Elvis did join witness
protection.

984
00:52:52,400 –> 00:52:56,440
Let’s say that part’s true and
he moved to Argentina or some

985
00:52:56,440 –> 00:52:58,720
shit.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this

986
00:52:58,720 –> 00:53:04,360
is part of it because Bill Bixby
is his friend and Bill Bixby is

987
00:53:04,360 –> 00:53:07,640
really, over the course of these
two specials, kind of like

988
00:53:07,640 –> 00:53:11,440
Travis said, just really
throwing everything at the wall

989
00:53:11,640 –> 00:53:14,600
to see what sticks.
And that’s not how you should

990
00:53:14,600 –> 00:53:18,720
approach this because it’s going
to just make it more confusing

991
00:53:18,720 –> 00:53:21,280
and convoluted.
He asks a good question.

992
00:53:21,280 –> 00:53:24,360
At one point, they’re talking
about the Elvis recording where

993
00:53:24,360 –> 00:53:26,280
he’s alleged to have said Reagan
got shot.

994
00:53:26,440 –> 00:53:29,400
And they bring on this UCLA
professor who’s like, Nah,

995
00:53:29,560 –> 00:53:33,240
that’s not fucking Elvis.
And Bill Bixby is like, all

996
00:53:33,240 –> 00:53:37,680
right, so that’s not Elvis.
That begs the question, who made

997
00:53:37,680 –> 00:53:40,400
that tape and why?
And then instead of pulling on

998
00:53:40,400 –> 00:53:43,440
that thread a little more, he’s
like, anyway, 59 Cent

999
00:53:43,440 –> 00:53:44,920
cheeseburgers, we’ll be right
back.

1000
00:53:45,320 –> 00:53:49,960
And it’s like, but yeah, why?
Like, why did someone make that

1001
00:53:49,960 –> 00:53:51,360
recording?
To what end?

1002
00:53:51,360 –> 00:53:54,120
Was it just trolling?
And if it was just trolling, was

1003
00:53:54,120 –> 00:53:58,120
it the government trolling to
throw people off the track?

1004
00:53:58,120 –> 00:54:01,360
Why was that video made?
Yeah, there’s so much of this

1005
00:54:01,360 –> 00:54:04,440
that makes no sense because
yeah, if that video is made and

1006
00:54:04,440 –> 00:54:06,840
that’s really him, why are you
obscuring his face?

1007
00:54:06,840 –> 00:54:09,400
You’re already doing the work,
clearly.

1008
00:54:09,600 –> 00:54:11,040
And then all of the.
Yeah, he.

1009
00:54:11,080 –> 00:54:13,840
Bixby.
I think it’s important to bring

1010
00:54:13,840 –> 00:54:18,400
up Bixby using his relationship
with Elvis as a thing because he

1011
00:54:18,400 –> 00:54:21,360
constantly at the end is like,
well, I’m friends with Elvis.

1012
00:54:21,360 –> 00:54:24,240
So you know when he’s walking
around with Larry Geller and

1013
00:54:24,240 –> 00:54:26,600
they start talking about Elvis’s
house and he’s like, oh, yeah,

1014
00:54:26,680 –> 00:54:27,760
yeah, yeah, the house.
I know.

1015
00:54:27,760 –> 00:54:28,920
I’ve been there.
The Big House.

1016
00:54:28,920 –> 00:54:31,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, if you’re friends with

1017
00:54:31,480 –> 00:54:34,080
this guy, why are you trying to
get him fucking killed, bro?

1018
00:54:34,240 –> 00:54:38,480
Yeah, but during the Collins,
that one woman calls in and is

1019
00:54:38,480 –> 00:54:40,800
like, do you think Elvis is
stupid?

1020
00:54:41,000 –> 00:54:45,320
And it’s so clear that she’s
setting up, though, because if

1021
00:54:45,400 –> 00:54:48,160
any of this stuff is true, then,
El, you’re saying Elvis is

1022
00:54:48,160 –> 00:54:51,640
stupid because he would have to
be stupid to do this, this and

1023
00:54:51,640 –> 00:54:53,320
this.
But he doesn’t even let her get

1024
00:54:53,320 –> 00:54:55,240
a word in.
As soon as she says that, he’s

1025
00:54:55,240 –> 00:54:57,440
like, we’re killing this call.
I’m gonna say, well, I don’t

1026
00:54:57,440 –> 00:54:59,800
think he’s stupid because I was
friends with him and I’m not

1027
00:54:59,800 –> 00:55:01,520
friends with stupid people or
whatever the fuck.

1028
00:55:01,520 –> 00:55:05,400
He says bye, bye.
And then, yeah, it’s moving on.

1029
00:55:05,520 –> 00:55:08,560
It’s a lot of moving on.
There’s a thing that has a lot

1030
00:55:08,560 –> 00:55:11,120
of questions attached, and we’re
not gonna ask any of them.

1031
00:55:11,200 –> 00:55:12,560
Yeah, we’re gonna.
Give a microphone?

1032
00:55:13,120 –> 00:55:15,120
No, we’re gonna give a
microphone to the to the audio,

1033
00:55:15,480 –> 00:55:18,160
and here’s a guy who looks like
he’s from King of the Hill

1034
00:55:18,160 –> 00:55:20,360
asking a question with a British
accent.

1035
00:55:21,040 –> 00:55:23,720
Don’t you think it’s going on
because people don’t care enough

1036
00:55:23,720 –> 00:55:26,080
about American people in the
music?

1037
00:55:26,880 –> 00:55:30,200
What?
Boomhauer was actually British.

1038
00:55:30,200 –> 00:55:31,800
That’s a thing people don’t know
about.

1039
00:55:31,840 –> 00:55:36,520
How interesting, yeah.
Yeah, Joe Esposito, I found he’s

1040
00:55:36,520 –> 00:55:40,480
kind of the final boss in these.
He comes up.

1041
00:55:40,480 –> 00:55:42,520
He was part of Elvis’s inner
circle.

1042
00:55:43,280 –> 00:55:45,400
He was there.
Yeah, he’s just like, I would

1043
00:55:45,400 –> 00:55:46,040
know.
Yeah.

1044
00:55:46,040 –> 00:55:49,720
That’s why I don’t trust you.
You would know if Elvis joined

1045
00:55:49,720 –> 00:55:52,320
witness protection and you would
not be honest about it.

1046
00:55:52,320 –> 00:55:57,640
And I don’t blame you.
I understand why you’re sitting

1047
00:55:57,640 –> 00:56:00,440
in front of Bill Bixby being
like, man, fuck you, of course

1048
00:56:00,440 –> 00:56:02,040
this didn’t happen.
Of course you’re going to want

1049
00:56:02,040 –> 00:56:06,640
to protect your friends.
So I find it hard to trust

1050
00:56:06,840 –> 00:56:09,920
people like Joe Esposito in
stuff like this.

1051
00:56:10,120 –> 00:56:14,240
And I did find it interesting
Where in previous interview,

1052
00:56:14,240 –> 00:56:17,240
cause Bill Bixby does call him
on this, he goes, well, what

1053
00:56:17,240 –> 00:56:20,720
about that interview where you
mentioned how Elvis feels about

1054
00:56:20,720 –> 00:56:24,240
the situation and Joe Esposito’s
like, Oh well, I just meant

1055
00:56:24,240 –> 00:56:25,720
cause Elvis is always in my
heart.

1056
00:56:25,880 –> 00:56:29,000
Shut up, shut the fuck up.
No, you, you don’t talk that

1057
00:56:29,000 –> 00:56:31,240
way.
You’re not a guy who says Elvis

1058
00:56:31,240 –> 00:56:33,920
is always in my heart.
You just fucking slipped up,

1059
00:56:33,920 –> 00:56:35,840
dude.
I think I.

1060
00:56:36,840 –> 00:56:38,680
I, I, I was not speaking to him
earlier.

1061
00:56:38,920 –> 00:56:42,440
I just meant yeah, nothing.
Next caller.

1062
00:56:43,200 –> 00:56:47,400
Yeah, that that all that stuff
and ending with him and Larry

1063
00:56:47,400 –> 00:56:50,920
Geller is just.
And also it just seems like a

1064
00:56:50,920 –> 00:56:53,960
way so that Bill Bixby can end
with being like, well, we’ve

1065
00:56:53,960 –> 00:56:55,320
looked at all this and guess
what?

1066
00:56:55,360 –> 00:56:57,440
I think Elvis is dead.
Sorry.

1067
00:56:57,520 –> 00:56:58,800
Yeah.
I don’t know why I wasted my

1068
00:56:58,800 –> 00:57:00,760
time with this.
For two episodes, yeah.

1069
00:57:00,800 –> 00:57:03,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It’s a year apart.

1070
00:57:05,240 –> 00:57:09,320
And even Larry Gellin, he
doesn’t pull on the strings he

1071
00:57:09,320 –> 00:57:12,560
needs to pull on.
He lets Larry talk all about how

1072
00:57:12,560 –> 00:57:15,320
Elvis just had these honorary
badges and there was nothing to

1073
00:57:15,320 –> 00:57:17,120
it.
Am I crazy?

1074
00:57:17,200 –> 00:57:19,040
Does he ever mention the Black
Book?

1075
00:57:19,320 –> 00:57:21,800
I don’t think he does.
No, no.

1076
00:57:22,520 –> 00:57:26,000
What’s the black?
In Larry Gellin’s book that he

1077
00:57:26,000 –> 00:57:31,920
wrote about Elvis, he claims
that at a 1976 concert in

1078
00:57:31,920 –> 00:57:33,600
Cincinnati, they were on the
road.

1079
00:57:33,600 –> 00:57:37,920
He was at a hotel in Cincinnati.
He claims Elvis showed him this

1080
00:57:37,920 –> 00:57:42,280
book.
That was a book that the DEA put

1081
00:57:42,280 –> 00:57:46,200
out that was just a listing of
narcotics agents and that Elvis

1082
00:57:46,200 –> 00:57:49,640
was in that book.
And they don’t mention that

1083
00:57:49,640 –> 00:57:52,480
here, which seems.
Weird no?

1084
00:57:52,480 –> 00:57:57,600
The only black book in this is
he somehow has the reservation

1085
00:57:57,600 –> 00:58:01,920
book from the restaurant with
John Burroughs aid at and he

1086
00:58:01,920 –> 00:58:04,920
holds that up and says look he
made a reservation under this

1087
00:58:04,920 –> 00:58:07,000
name.
Yeah, but it they never

1088
00:58:07,000 –> 00:58:09,680
mentioned that claim in no.
They never mentioned this DEA

1089
00:58:09,680 –> 00:58:12,160
book, no.
That Elvis was listed in a

1090
00:58:12,160 –> 00:58:15,560
listing of DEA agents or federal
narcotics agents.

1091
00:58:15,800 –> 00:58:19,440
That seems like a terrible idea.
It sure does.

1092
00:58:19,960 –> 00:58:23,000
To just have that in print,
Well, well, great, now we know

1093
00:58:23,000 –> 00:58:24,880
who to kill.
Yeah, how’s that going to work?

1094
00:58:24,880 –> 00:58:28,080
You hold up your badge and you
say no, I’m DEA and the other

1095
00:58:28,080 –> 00:58:30,720
DEA agents like, all right, let
me consult the book.

1096
00:58:30,840 –> 00:58:32,520
Fucking.
Turn to page 98.

1097
00:58:32,520 –> 00:58:34,200
Look at lines 7.
That’s me.

1098
00:58:35,720 –> 00:58:37,120
My name’s listeners.
John Burroughs.

1099
00:58:37,120 –> 00:58:40,320
Yeah, that’s what I told Nixon
my name was.

1100
00:58:41,240 –> 00:58:44,160
I do think that Elvis and Larry
Geller had sex.

1101
00:58:44,480 –> 00:58:48,320
I do think that they the Larry
Geller stuff isn’t.

1102
00:58:48,840 –> 00:58:51,400
Odd.
Larry Geller was his hair

1103
00:58:51,400 –> 00:58:54,480
stylist in this astrology
advisor.

1104
00:58:54,560 –> 00:58:55,560
He was talking to me.
He’s like.

1105
00:58:56,120 –> 00:58:59,320
And then Elvis was like, if you
really want to know some stuff,

1106
00:58:59,640 –> 00:59:01,880
I’m going to tell you about this
book, about maybe that’s where

1107
00:59:01,880 –> 00:59:05,000
the numerology stuff came from
because he didn’t get into the

1108
00:59:05,000 –> 00:59:08,360
spiritual spirituality stuff.
But it was like, whose hair

1109
00:59:08,360 –> 00:59:13,800
stylist is also their, you know,
crystal clutching, number waving

1110
00:59:14,320 –> 00:59:15,480
shaman.
Yeah.

1111
00:59:15,960 –> 00:59:18,440
Unless they’re fucking, you know
what I mean?

1112
00:59:18,760 –> 00:59:20,520
Right.
And here’s the thing, even when

1113
00:59:20,520 –> 00:59:23,880
he says, oh, Elvis’s badges were
just honorary, motherfucker,

1114
00:59:23,920 –> 00:59:26,920
Elvis wouldn’t tell you.
In no world is someone who’s

1115
00:59:26,920 –> 00:59:30,600
actually an undercover cop going
to be like, no, for real, I’m an

1116
00:59:30,600 –> 00:59:32,600
undercover cop.
I know you think this is just

1117
00:59:32,600 –> 00:59:35,480
fake, but I’m actually here to
spy on you for doing drugs.

1118
00:59:35,640 –> 00:59:38,880
I think here’s I think Elvis was
a narc at the very least.

1119
00:59:39,000 –> 00:59:40,000
I don’t.
Yeah, I can.

1120
00:59:40,240 –> 00:59:42,640
Yeah, I I don’t think that’s
much of A conspiracy.

1121
00:59:42,640 –> 00:59:46,200
Like full timer as a hobby just
because he liked law enforcement

1122
00:59:46,200 –> 00:59:47,680
so much or do you think it was
like.

1123
00:59:47,680 –> 00:59:50,280
That’s that’s one of the things
about Elvis.

1124
00:59:50,280 –> 00:59:53,880
Did he have hobbies or did he
just have fucking passions?

1125
00:59:54,080 –> 00:59:56,200
Karate.
Oh, that’s a passion.

1126
00:59:56,200 –> 00:59:59,840
That was a passion.
Was not a fucking hobby for him.

1127
00:59:59,840 –> 01:00:03,400
He was like a fifth degree black
belt, whatever the highest

1128
01:00:03,600 –> 01:00:07,000
degree black belt you can be.
And that that I thought was one

1129
01:00:07,000 –> 01:00:09,800
of the interesting questions
about the body in the casket.

1130
01:00:09,800 –> 01:00:14,880
Why were there no calluses or
anything on his hands if he did

1131
01:00:14,880 –> 01:00:16,680
he?
Just took a belt Sander and

1132
01:00:16,960 –> 01:00:19,880
just.
Sure, maybe.

1133
01:00:21,200 –> 01:00:23,480
I don’t know.
Morticians get serious with

1134
01:00:23,480 –> 01:00:25,760
their fixes, you know.
I think that’s where his cousin

1135
01:00:25,760 –> 01:00:29,760
went wrong when he was talking
about Elvis’s body in the

1136
01:00:29,760 –> 01:00:31,440
casket.
Because the first thing he says

1137
01:00:31,440 –> 01:00:34,360
is Elvis will break bricks with
his hands all the time.

1138
01:00:34,480 –> 01:00:36,800
It’s like, all right, well, I’m
not even listening anymore.

1139
01:00:36,800 –> 01:00:38,560
But that was true.
Is the problem.

1140
01:00:38,720 –> 01:00:40,440
Yeah.
I remember that.

1141
01:00:40,440 –> 01:00:43,800
And we were like, wait, what?
Yeah, but it was true.

1142
01:00:44,120 –> 01:00:46,600
I know, but that just seemed it
was like Elvis was strong.

1143
01:00:46,600 –> 01:00:49,080
He would just break bricks with
his hands and you’re like, wait,

1144
01:00:49,080 –> 01:00:50,080
what?
Just.

1145
01:00:50,120 –> 01:00:53,640
Picking him up and smash him.
I, I want to say this as

1146
01:00:53,640 –> 01:00:56,600
somebody who has spent time in
martial arts circles.

1147
01:00:56,720 –> 01:01:00,120
Those guys are all crazy and
they’re all these weird

1148
01:01:00,120 –> 01:01:02,960
delusional nut cases and they
all want to be cops.

1149
01:01:02,960 –> 01:01:06,280
So Elvis as a commodity guy
totally checks out.

1150
01:01:06,440 –> 01:01:10,040
They’re always lying about shit.
They’re always making stories

1151
01:01:10,040 –> 01:01:12,280
up.
They’re all fucking nut cases.

1152
01:01:12,560 –> 01:01:15,120
I hope Elvis was the karate guy
I’ve always encountered who’s

1153
01:01:15,120 –> 01:01:17,160
like, all right, now come at me
real slow.

1154
01:01:17,160 –> 01:01:19,560
I’ll show you what I’d do.
And they’ll make you come like,

1155
01:01:19,560 –> 01:01:21,560
you’re going to punch him in
super slow motion and then

1156
01:01:21,560 –> 01:01:23,680
they’ll throw you on the ground
and you’re like, well, wasn’t

1157
01:01:23,680 –> 01:01:24,960
really trying to punch you,
dude.

1158
01:01:24,960 –> 01:01:26,520
You told me to move at you
slowly.

1159
01:01:26,680 –> 01:01:28,120
Yeah.
I mean, what are you going?

1160
01:01:28,120 –> 01:01:31,120
To be the guy who actually
punches Elvis, No.

1161
01:01:31,360 –> 01:01:34,360
Yeah, if some if a karate guy
asked me that, I would just

1162
01:01:34,360 –> 01:01:39,880
slowly mimic pulling out a gun,
like, all right, what do you?

1163
01:01:40,000 –> 01:01:42,760
With your other hand, pull out a
real gun and shoot him.

1164
01:01:42,920 –> 01:01:45,800
Yeah, that was always what was
the Steven Seagal movie?

1165
01:01:45,800 –> 01:01:48,520
Was it on dangerous ground?
What was that movie called?

1166
01:01:48,520 –> 01:01:50,960
There’s On Deadly Ground with
Michael Caine.

1167
01:01:51,080 –> 01:01:54,200
I don’t remember but there’s a
scene where he pulls out a badge

1168
01:01:54,200 –> 01:01:56,920
in the middle of a bar and is
like if anyone can take this

1169
01:01:56,920 –> 01:02:00,040
from me, $500, someone would
have just shot you from the

1170
01:02:00,040 –> 01:02:02,840
corner of the fucking bar.
Sounds like above the law or

1171
01:02:02,840 –> 01:02:06,320
maybe out for justice.
It sounds like all of his

1172
01:02:06,320 –> 01:02:08,120
movies.
I think he does that in every

1173
01:02:08,120 –> 01:02:10,480
one of them.
I think he even does that in

1174
01:02:10,480 –> 01:02:12,520
life.
I think he puts down a 59 cent

1175
01:02:12,520 –> 01:02:14,680
cheeseburger and he goes.
But anyone can take this from

1176
01:02:14,680 –> 01:02:18,920
me?
And before he’s done talking,

1177
01:02:18,920 –> 01:02:21,000
it’s gone.
Because he ain’t it.

1178
01:02:23,040 –> 01:02:26,760
Someone give me a guitar.
I’ve got to sing some songs from

1179
01:02:26,760 –> 01:02:29,840
the Crystal Cave.
My name is Civil, Nora,

1180
01:02:29,840 –> 01:02:31,400
everybody.
Why would you do that?

1181
01:02:31,400 –> 01:02:33,560
Why?
Why would you just make your

1182
01:02:33,560 –> 01:02:36,680
name your backwards name and
then start doing music?

1183
01:02:36,880 –> 01:02:40,520
Did either of you know this is a
thing I brought up on the first

1184
01:02:40,520 –> 01:02:42,840
episode?
But this is more related to our

1185
01:02:42,840 –> 01:02:47,600
music pod than anything.
Did you know about a year or so

1186
01:02:47,600 –> 01:02:53,240
after Elvis died, Sun Records
released an album by a guy named

1187
01:02:53,280 –> 01:02:59,400
Orion Who looked like Elvis,
sounded like Elvis, and wore a

1188
01:02:59,400 –> 01:03:02,840
mask?
Is that where GBG got the title

1189
01:03:02,840 –> 01:03:08,200
for her first novel?
No, what’s weird is she wrote

1190
01:03:08,200 –> 01:03:12,640
that novel, she started shopping
it around, and one of the

1191
01:03:12,920 –> 01:03:17,160
outlets she ended up shopping it
around to was the William Morris

1192
01:03:17,160 –> 01:03:20,640
Agency, which she later found
out was very closely related to

1193
01:03:20,640 –> 01:03:24,320
Elvis and Colonel Tom Parker.
Someone during those

1194
01:03:24,320 –> 01:03:30,200
negotiations took her book and
spun it into this Orion

1195
01:03:30,200 –> 01:03:32,400
character without her
permission.

1196
01:03:32,880 –> 01:03:37,480
So the prologue from her Orion
book is on the back of that

1197
01:03:37,560 –> 01:03:39,280
Orion album.
That’s.

1198
01:03:39,320 –> 01:03:41,360
Amazing.
She said when she approached Sun

1199
01:03:41,360 –> 01:03:44,160
Records about it, they were
like, sue us, what are you going

1200
01:03:44,160 –> 01:03:45,360
to do?
So that’s.

1201
01:03:45,360 –> 01:03:48,160
Probably why her book was
disappearing from bookstores

1202
01:03:48,160 –> 01:03:51,760
then is because Sun Records and
William Morris Agency were like,

1203
01:03:51,840 –> 01:03:53,800
yeah, get this out of here, we
don’t need any.

1204
01:03:54,000 –> 01:03:55,920
No, they were promoting.
We don’t need them having any

1205
01:03:55,920 –> 01:03:57,280
proof.
No, they would want it there.

1206
01:03:57,280 –> 01:03:59,640
Yeah.
It’s promoting value added.

1207
01:03:59,640 –> 01:04:04,840
Yeah, look, her argument, and I
don’t know, but her whole line

1208
01:04:04,840 –> 01:04:08,480
of thinking originally was that
she wrote this book about a

1209
01:04:08,480 –> 01:04:13,440
musician faking his death and
that the details were so similar

1210
01:04:13,440 –> 01:04:17,040
to Elvis in real life that it
spooked people.

1211
01:04:17,120 –> 01:04:21,080
And she does have letters from
associates of Elvis who are

1212
01:04:21,080 –> 01:04:24,800
like, yeah, you really fucking
nailed Elvis life in this book.

1213
01:04:24,960 –> 01:04:27,760
What the fuck, lady?
And she says she was just

1214
01:04:27,760 –> 01:04:31,440
writing it as a work of fiction.
And yeah, all of that stuff.

1215
01:04:31,440 –> 01:04:32,920
I talked about it on the first
episode.

1216
01:04:32,920 –> 01:04:36,120
It’s all very strange.
Well, I’ll just have to listen

1217
01:04:36,160 –> 01:04:39,600
to that episode.
I think this is all way simpler

1218
01:04:39,680 –> 01:04:43,160
than it’s made out to be.
I think Elvis, if he joined

1219
01:04:43,160 –> 01:04:45,520
witness protection, he just
joined witness protection.

1220
01:04:45,600 –> 01:04:48,240
I don’t think there, I don’t
think there was a body.

1221
01:04:48,240 –> 01:04:49,680
I don’t think there was an
autopsy.

1222
01:04:50,200 –> 01:04:52,600
I mean, you could make a fucking
wax figure and put it in a

1223
01:04:52,600 –> 01:04:54,280
coffin.
That’s not impossible.

1224
01:04:54,400 –> 01:04:57,640
But.
I didn’t put it in the notes for

1225
01:04:57,640 –> 01:05:00,960
this episode, but I mentioned on
the last episode the reason I

1226
01:05:00,960 –> 01:05:04,480
think all of the medical
examiner’s report, all of that

1227
01:05:04,480 –> 01:05:08,120
is just people lying the
exploit, because it raises the

1228
01:05:08,120 –> 01:05:10,520
question, well, then who was in
the autopsy room?

1229
01:05:10,520 –> 01:05:13,120
Who was this autopsy being done
on?

1230
01:05:13,320 –> 01:05:17,560
And one of the popular fan
theories is that a man from

1231
01:05:17,560 –> 01:05:22,600
England who was dying of cancer
approached Elvis and offered to

1232
01:05:22,600 –> 01:05:28,280
help in some way.
In exchange for being the body

1233
01:05:28,680 –> 01:05:32,200
that’s found when Elvis died,
Elvis would financially take

1234
01:05:32,200 –> 01:05:35,680
care of this guy’s family.
One, that either means Elvis and

1235
01:05:35,680 –> 01:05:39,960
his team consensually killed a
guy to make this plot work, or

1236
01:05:39,960 –> 01:05:43,160
two, that guy just died exactly
on the day they needed him to.

1237
01:05:43,480 –> 01:05:47,560
None of that happened, no.
Also implies there is a casting

1238
01:05:47,560 –> 01:05:50,120
call for dead Elvis.
They’re like knew this was going

1239
01:05:50,120 –> 01:05:52,080
to happen.
Like how did this guy hear about

1240
01:05:52,120 –> 01:05:54,120
it?
If it’s if it’s, this news is

1241
01:05:54,120 –> 01:05:56,960
getting across the pond.
Oh my God, I’m not actually, but

1242
01:05:56,960 –> 01:05:59,360
be doing a bit of a fake.
Any old death, I’m dying.

1243
01:05:59,440 –> 01:06:02,600
You could use me.
Oh, it’s just yeah.

1244
01:06:03,680 –> 01:06:07,120
The Biebs said.
And one of the claims you see

1245
01:06:07,120 –> 01:06:12,640
about this theory, which to me
is a little citation needed, is

1246
01:06:12,640 –> 01:06:17,000
that it would take 1000 people
who are all lying to pull this

1247
01:06:17,000 –> 01:06:18,120
off.
What?

1248
01:06:18,240 –> 01:06:20,920
No, it would take 15 or 20.
You wouldn’t need that many

1249
01:06:20,920 –> 01:06:24,320
people to lie.
You would need his closest inner

1250
01:06:24,320 –> 01:06:26,680
circle.
You would need to lie.

1251
01:06:26,880 –> 01:06:28,880
Other than that, people could
just never know.

1252
01:06:29,400 –> 01:06:33,080
Yeah, it gives credence to the
whole didn’t just allow all the

1253
01:06:33,080 –> 01:06:36,640
crazy people to talk because now
you have 1000 misdirections just

1254
01:06:36,640 –> 01:06:38,760
of people doing whatever the
fuck they want to say and just

1255
01:06:38,760 –> 01:06:41,360
got to have the same little.
People there were conspiracies

1256
01:06:41,360 –> 01:06:43,480
about him when he was a fucking,
when he was alive.

1257
01:06:43,600 –> 01:06:47,840
You know, like that, that Johnny
Harris who they bring in who was

1258
01:06:47,840 –> 01:06:50,720
mistaken.
He was front page news in Denver

1259
01:06:50,840 –> 01:06:53,880
when they thought he was
actually Elvis when Elvis was

1260
01:06:53,880 –> 01:06:56,240
still alive.
I think he is actually Elvis.

1261
01:06:56,240 –> 01:06:59,560
I think that was the big plot
twist of the whole the second

1262
01:06:59,560 –> 01:07:02,200
episode is that they bring out
this heavyset guy who looks and

1263
01:07:02,200 –> 01:07:05,560
sounds just like Elvis and isn’t
an Elvis impersonator.

1264
01:07:05,560 –> 01:07:07,920
I’m like, that’s just Bill
Bixby’s buddy right there.

1265
01:07:07,920 –> 01:07:11,200
Just doing him a solid.
Yeah, and, and look, Bill asked

1266
01:07:11,200 –> 01:07:14,640
him a lot of questions, but one
question he never asked was,

1267
01:07:14,640 –> 01:07:16,880
hey, are you really Elvis
Presley?

1268
01:07:17,080 –> 01:07:20,480
Yeah.
So Elvis can say he didn’t lie,

1269
01:07:20,600 –> 01:07:22,880
you know?
I I like that they do a poll at

1270
01:07:22,880 –> 01:07:28,160
the end of this and 70% of
Americans are convinced Elvis is

1271
01:07:28,240 –> 01:07:32,520
still alive.
Well, my big take away from the

1272
01:07:32,560 –> 01:07:36,600
end of that was Larry Geller is
talking and Bill asks him some

1273
01:07:36,680 –> 01:07:40,120
esoteric question about Elvis
living on.

1274
01:07:40,320 –> 01:07:43,880
And Larry goes, Elvis will live
on forever.

1275
01:07:43,880 –> 01:07:48,360
And he’s like, what do you mean?
He goes like me, you, Martin

1276
01:07:48,360 –> 01:07:51,560
Luther King, and he starts
naming random people.

1277
01:07:52,120 –> 01:07:54,840
And it was like, why he goes, we
all live forever.

1278
01:07:55,080 –> 01:07:58,120
He brings up somebody else.
The first name he mentions

1279
01:07:58,120 –> 01:08:00,800
actually is Oh my God, it’s
somebody else.

1280
01:08:00,800 –> 01:08:03,760
It’s another celebrity who died
and I can’t remember.

1281
01:08:04,400 –> 01:08:06,360
It’s not when.
It’s escaping me.

1282
01:08:06,360 –> 01:08:10,280
No, it was somebody else that
had recently died.

1283
01:08:10,520 –> 01:08:14,440
And then he says Martin Luther
King Junior, you John Lennon.

1284
01:08:14,440 –> 01:08:17,720
It’s like, all right, dude.
He does bring up John Lennon but

1285
01:08:17,720 –> 01:08:21,120
the first one he says is such a
weird deep cut one too.

1286
01:08:21,160 –> 01:08:23,399
And I.
And what stood out to me was

1287
01:08:23,399 –> 01:08:27,240
while we’re the The Elvis
Conspiracy Show was filmed in

1288
01:08:27,240 –> 01:08:30,399
1992, by 1993, Bill Bixby had
passed away.

1289
01:08:30,680 –> 01:08:34,200
So it seems like Larry Geller
was threatening Bill Bixby.

1290
01:08:34,399 –> 01:08:36,760
It seems like he was like you’re
going to die soon.

1291
01:08:36,960 –> 01:08:41,640
Bill Bixby died six days or
something after filming an

1292
01:08:41,640 –> 01:08:45,319
episode of Blossom and only a
few days after playing golf with

1293
01:08:45,319 –> 01:08:47,160
James Woods.
So.

1294
01:08:47,439 –> 01:08:51,040
OK, all important info.
I feel like James Woods was

1295
01:08:51,040 –> 01:08:53,720
involved in Bill Bixby’s death
is what I’m trying to say.

1296
01:08:53,800 –> 01:08:56,000
Let me tell you and.
Maybe Mayim Bialik?

1297
01:08:56,200 –> 01:08:59,160
I know public opinion has turned
on him, and for good reason.

1298
01:08:59,279 –> 01:09:03,439
But I walked past James Woods
outside Dantana’s once.

1299
01:09:03,439 –> 01:09:07,240
Yes, you did.
And that man smelled remarkable.

1300
01:09:07,399 –> 01:09:09,760
Oh, he smelled good.
It was nuts.

1301
01:09:10,279 –> 01:09:12,160
And you smelled him on the way
to Steve.

1302
01:09:12,160 –> 01:09:13,800
Earle Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, that’s right.

1303
01:09:13,800 –> 01:09:17,120
That was it was Steve Earle
where I saw Hollywood legend

1304
01:09:17,120 –> 01:09:19,880
James Woods outside.
Downtown James Woods, that was

1305
01:09:19,880 –> 01:09:22,479
just Steve Earle.
He smells like that from six

1306
01:09:22,479 –> 01:09:23,920
block radius.
It was.

1307
01:09:24,160 –> 01:09:26,960
I hadn’t seen Adam in person
because this was during all of

1308
01:09:26,960 –> 01:09:29,040
the COVID shit.
It was the first time we’d meet

1309
01:09:29,040 –> 01:09:31,720
up in a while, and we’re meeting
up in person and the first thing

1310
01:09:31,720 –> 01:09:33,640
he says he was like, I just saw
James Woods.

1311
01:09:35,439 –> 01:09:38,439
Yeah.
Interesting fact that gets

1312
01:09:38,439 –> 01:09:41,520
buried.
This was how Bill Bixby spent

1313
01:09:41,520 –> 01:09:44,560
his birthday in 1991.
That’s right.

1314
01:09:45,240 –> 01:09:47,800
Somebody asked.
Somebody says happy birthday to

1315
01:09:47,800 –> 01:09:49,880
him.
Yeah, they have to do it on his

1316
01:09:49,880 –> 01:09:51,080
birthday.
Come on.

1317
01:09:51,600 –> 01:09:54,960
Hey man, BB is a working man.
He just wanted to, you know, he

1318
01:09:54,960 –> 01:09:57,760
was about to work.
So I think the ultimate question

1319
01:09:57,760 –> 01:10:01,760
here is, was Bill Bixby murdered
for his involvement in these

1320
01:10:01,760 –> 01:10:03,400
documents?
100 for clearly.

1321
01:10:03,400 –> 01:10:05,840
Absolutely.
Yeah, he overturned the wrong

1322
01:10:05,840 –> 01:10:07,240
stone.
He asked asked the wrong

1323
01:10:07,240 –> 01:10:10,080
questions.
He put actual Elvis on

1324
01:10:10,080 –> 01:10:13,360
television because that’s who’s
Johnny Harrow was and and so he

1325
01:10:13,360 –> 01:10:16,240
had to be punished.
Speaking of the wrong questions,

1326
01:10:16,280 –> 01:10:20,240
I’m not going to ask the wrong
question, which is was Lou

1327
01:10:20,240 –> 01:10:22,760
Ferrigno involved?
I’m going to ask the right

1328
01:10:22,760 –> 01:10:26,320
question, which is why was Lou
Ferrigno involved?

1329
01:10:26,920 –> 01:10:30,080
That’s a good question.
The answer is not as simple as

1330
01:10:30,080 –> 01:10:32,200
you think.
We have to go back.

1331
01:10:33,240 –> 01:10:35,640
It gets deeper.
Yeah, I have to go back to the

1332
01:10:35,640 –> 01:10:39,160
very first bodybuilding contest
that Lou Ferrigno was in.

1333
01:10:39,520 –> 01:10:41,280
I’m going to be honest.
Yeah.

1334
01:10:41,760 –> 01:10:45,280
He’s not here to talk about it
anymore, that we know of.

1335
01:10:45,520 –> 01:10:51,440
But Stan Lee of Marvel Comics, I
think he’s the linchpin.

1336
01:10:51,800 –> 01:10:54,800
Well, could be, Could be.
If nothing else, he killed Bill

1337
01:10:54,800 –> 01:10:55,880
Bixby.
Probably.

1338
01:10:56,880 –> 01:11:00,920
If you look at Lou Ferrigno’s
career post Bill Bixby.

1339
01:11:01,520 –> 01:11:04,320
What?
He goes on to be yeah, he goes

1340
01:11:04,320 –> 01:11:06,600
on to be on King of Queens
playing himself.

1341
01:11:06,840 –> 01:11:09,160
He goes on to be on Celebrity
Apprentice.

1342
01:11:09,360 –> 01:11:11,720
He only ever plays himself.
That’s not true.

1343
01:11:11,720 –> 01:11:14,560
OK, he played Hercules.
There’s the movie I Love You,

1344
01:11:14,560 –> 01:11:17,360
Man, where he no, never mind is.
Himself, Yeah.

1345
01:11:19,280 –> 01:11:23,440
I’m just saying I I think Lou
Ferrigno is an asset closely

1346
01:11:23,440 –> 01:11:25,080
tied to the Trump
administration.

1347
01:11:25,440 –> 01:11:28,640
I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised
if Lou Ferrigno is some kind of,

1348
01:11:29,000 –> 01:11:31,560
you know, look at him.
Yeah, you’re going to want to

1349
01:11:31,560 –> 01:11:34,280
use that bod for something.
Why not government shit?

1350
01:11:34,400 –> 01:11:35,960
So I think we’ve reached the
end.

1351
01:11:35,960 –> 01:11:38,360
I think everyone is fully
convinced that.

1352
01:11:38,560 –> 01:11:41,440
Lou Ferrigno is Elvis.
Everything in this documentary

1353
01:11:41,440 –> 01:11:43,040
is correct.
Yeah, I don’t.

1354
01:11:43,040 –> 01:11:47,200
Again, I think a lot of what’s
in this is just smoke and

1355
01:11:47,200 –> 01:11:48,280
mirrors.
Bullshit.

1356
01:11:48,280 –> 01:11:51,440
Yeah, I do think Elvis joined
witness protection, but I don’t

1357
01:11:51,440 –> 01:11:56,120
think it’s as dramatic as people
are making it out to be in this.

1358
01:11:56,120 –> 01:11:58,720
I think if he did, he just
fucking got out of here and went

1359
01:11:58,720 –> 01:12:01,680
and lived somewhere else.
And if he did, he’s for sure not

1360
01:12:01,680 –> 01:12:06,080
alive now.
That’s this is what throws me.

1361
01:12:06,080 –> 01:12:10,080
OK, I do.
It’s not difficult for me to

1362
01:12:10,160 –> 01:12:13,400
stretch my belief to OK witness
protection.

1363
01:12:13,400 –> 01:12:17,120
Sure makes sense.
What it is difficult for me to

1364
01:12:17,200 –> 01:12:21,520
reckon with is that if he,
Elvis, is dead now, we would

1365
01:12:21,520 –> 01:12:23,120
have heard about it somewhere,
right?

1366
01:12:23,120 –> 01:12:24,800
It would have.
I feel like it would have come

1367
01:12:24,800 –> 01:12:28,160
out in some way of, well, he
wasn’t dead then, but now he is

1368
01:12:28,160 –> 01:12:31,000
because he was just too big a
star, you know?

1369
01:12:31,480 –> 01:12:36,080
Yeah, well, here’s the thing.
It comes up, I think, in this

1370
01:12:36,320 –> 01:12:38,920
documentary.
Well, maybe not, but it’s

1371
01:12:39,000 –> 01:12:41,360
brought up a lot.
I’ve brought it up a lot on this

1372
01:12:41,360 –> 01:12:45,040
podcast.
There’s still a few 100 pages of

1373
01:12:45,080 –> 01:12:49,680
Elvis’s FBI files that are
classified on national security

1374
01:12:49,680 –> 01:12:51,040
grounds.
What?

1375
01:12:51,280 –> 01:12:53,640
When is that going to get
Freedom of Information acted?

1376
01:12:53,640 –> 01:12:57,160
See, that’s the thing.
His autopsy I, I brought up on

1377
01:12:57,160 –> 01:13:00,400
one of these episodes.
I think a lot of people have it

1378
01:13:00,400 –> 01:13:04,040
in their mind that they know
exactly how Elvis died, and no,

1379
01:13:04,040 –> 01:13:05,640
you don’t.
No one knows.

1380
01:13:05,640 –> 01:13:09,960
That’s not been settled yet.
His family had his autopsy

1381
01:13:09,960 –> 01:13:14,720
sealed for 50 years.
Oh.

1382
01:13:15,000 –> 01:13:18,520
He was, yeah.
He was killed by a Ghuli while

1383
01:13:18,520 –> 01:13:19,480
on the toilet.
Right?

1384
01:13:19,640 –> 01:13:21,440
That’s what I read.
I think so, yeah.

1385
01:13:21,640 –> 01:13:25,960
And so, yeah, his autopsy will
be out in two years.

1386
01:13:25,960 –> 01:13:30,400
And maybe that is, you know,
maybe we’ll get some answers

1387
01:13:30,400 –> 01:13:33,880
then also, maybe they’ve just
been spending the past 50 years

1388
01:13:33,880 –> 01:13:37,440
concocting the perfect fake
autopsy report knows.

1389
01:13:38,760 –> 01:13:41,720
What if Elvis still living?
Elvis comes out and goes.

1390
01:13:41,960 –> 01:13:46,800
This whole time I was fine.
I’m 9792 years old now, but I’m

1391
01:13:46,800 –> 01:13:48,520
fine.
Everything’s great.

1392
01:13:49,200 –> 01:13:51,600
You know he’s not alive anymore.
Bill Bixby.

1393
01:13:51,800 –> 01:13:57,000
What if the plan was he goes
public once the last of the

1394
01:13:57,000 –> 01:14:00,640
people he set up dies and those
people just never died?

1395
01:14:00,720 –> 01:14:03,600
God damn it, man.
I mean, he’s out there hunting

1396
01:14:03,600 –> 01:14:06,480
down all of the members of the
fraternity.

1397
01:14:06,920 –> 01:14:09,560
Yeah, we’re going to get a
Munich style movie at some

1398
01:14:09,560 –> 01:14:12,400
point.
That’s just Elvis taking out

1399
01:14:12,400 –> 01:14:16,880
fucking wire fraudsters.
If you think about Goodfellas,

1400
01:14:16,920 –> 01:14:19,800
you know Henry Hill.
By the end of Henry Hill’s life,

1401
01:14:19,880 –> 01:14:22,320
he was very public and selling
cookbooks.

1402
01:14:22,480 –> 01:14:24,400
Everybody he tried to put away
had died.

1403
01:14:24,560 –> 01:14:26,960
Yeah, so I feel like.
Movies made about him.

1404
01:14:27,200 –> 01:14:30,760
I feel like we would have gotten
a Henry Hill version of Elvis if

1405
01:14:30,760 –> 01:14:32,760
he were still alive.
He’d have been like, you know,

1406
01:14:32,920 –> 01:14:34,920
here’s my fried banana sandwich
cookbook.

1407
01:14:35,160 –> 01:14:37,080
Here’s how, Here’s how I’m
doing.

1408
01:14:37,520 –> 01:14:42,760
I feel he would have come back.
Maybe, but also I think there’s

1409
01:14:42,760 –> 01:14:46,360
an equally good chance he might
have settled into private life

1410
01:14:46,360 –> 01:14:49,520
for a little bit and been like,
oh wait, I’m still rich, this

1411
01:14:49,520 –> 01:14:51,920
rips.
I can just do whatever the fuck

1412
01:14:51,920 –> 01:14:55,040
I want and nobody knows me.
I’m never coming back.

1413
01:14:55,320 –> 01:14:59,520
It also could be a situation of,
you know, he disappeared

1414
01:14:59,680 –> 01:15:02,120
literally even from the people
who knew where he was.

1415
01:15:02,120 –> 01:15:05,560
He went hiking one day and just
fell off a Cliff or something

1416
01:15:05,560 –> 01:15:07,600
and then, well, fuck, I guess
he’s really gone now.

1417
01:15:07,600 –> 01:15:09,760
I don’t know.
Then it becomes a foster system,

1418
01:15:09,840 –> 01:15:13,360
something where the government
has to be like, we lost Elvis, I

1419
01:15:13,360 –> 01:15:15,200
don’t know.
No idea.

1420
01:15:15,200 –> 01:15:16,960
He’s off the map.
Yeah, we don’t know.

1421
01:15:17,760 –> 01:15:19,400
It’s like a Jason Bourne
situation.

1422
01:15:19,400 –> 01:15:22,040
He just shows back up one day
doing shit and they’re like he’s

1423
01:15:22,040 –> 01:15:24,160
back on the map.
We thought.

1424
01:15:24,280 –> 01:15:27,440
We thought he was done.
Except he’s just singing Viva

1425
01:15:27,440 –> 01:15:29,440
Las Vegas somewhere in
Argentina.

1426
01:15:30,520 –> 01:15:35,240
I fake my death again from you.
And I also think it’s possible

1427
01:15:35,240 –> 01:15:39,240
that if Elvis did join witness
protection, I think it’s

1428
01:15:39,240 –> 01:15:43,040
possible he could have just seen
this as a chapter in his life

1429
01:15:43,040 –> 01:15:45,280
that was done.
He was 42.

1430
01:15:45,360 –> 01:15:48,200
He wasn’t an old man.
No.

1431
01:15:49,280 –> 01:15:52,720
I’m 43 and I’m done.
Yeah, but Elvis could have been

1432
01:15:52,720 –> 01:15:56,440
like, yeah, I mean, they bring
up that he started adding a

1433
01:15:56,440 –> 01:16:01,520
cover of My Way to his concerts
on his final tour, which I know

1434
01:16:01,520 –> 01:16:05,120
seems kind of inconsequential.
But also think about the lyrics

1435
01:16:05,120 –> 01:16:06,920
of that song.
That’s very much someone being

1436
01:16:06,920 –> 01:16:10,400
like, all right, well, I did
that, and that’s fucking done.

1437
01:16:10,640 –> 01:16:13,240
Now I’m going to go do the rest
of my fucking life.

1438
01:16:14,000 –> 01:16:17,280
It’s also weird because Vicious
also faked his death, you know?

1439
01:16:17,520 –> 01:16:20,000
That is, I don’t think he faked
his death, but man, that’s AI

1440
01:16:20,000 –> 01:16:23,280
feel like, I don’t know, I feel
like the cops killed Sid

1441
01:16:23,280 –> 01:16:24,920
Vicious.
Courtney Love killed Sid

1442
01:16:24,920 –> 01:16:26,320
Vicious.
Or do you think it wouldn’t

1443
01:16:26,320 –> 01:16:29,720
surprise?
Elvis killed Sid Vicious because

1444
01:16:29,720 –> 01:16:31,920
he’s like, had a badge.
He’s like, oh.

1445
01:16:32,680 –> 01:16:35,680
What if that’s what Elvis did
the rest of his days?

1446
01:16:35,680 –> 01:16:38,480
He just showed up at Kurt
Cobain’s place and was like,

1447
01:16:38,480 –> 01:16:41,560
look, man, you’re so important.
You get to know that I’m alive.

1448
01:16:44,040 –> 01:16:46,760
Just killing rock stars that had
drug problems let.

1449
01:16:46,920 –> 01:16:48,280
Me tell you what the problem is?
Drugs.

1450
01:16:48,720 –> 01:16:51,400
Hey guy from Sublime, want to do
some cocaine?

1451
01:16:53,000 –> 01:16:53,960
How about?
Counterculture.

1452
01:16:53,960 –> 01:16:56,880
How about counter counter life?
That’s just what’s happening

1453
01:16:56,880 –> 01:16:57,880
right now.
I’m I’m giving you an

1454
01:16:57,880 –> 01:17:02,080
alternative to living Kaboom.
Eric Clapton, you better stop

1455
01:17:02,080 –> 01:17:03,720
doing that cocaine.
I’m going to push a kid on a

1456
01:17:03,720 –> 01:17:06,800
window.
Oh man, what did Eric Clapton’s

1457
01:17:06,800 –> 01:17:08,480
kid do?
He was just a toddler.

1458
01:17:08,600 –> 01:17:10,680
He was a message.
Yeah, yeah.

1459
01:17:12,600 –> 01:17:15,560
I don’t know why you couldn’t
just take Clapton out directly.

1460
01:17:15,560 –> 01:17:18,840
You had to send him a message.
Elvis admired Clapton’s racism.

1461
01:17:19,080 –> 01:17:21,200
He’s just too big.
I can’t take Clapton, but I can

1462
01:17:21,200 –> 01:17:22,560
take his kid.
Not a problem.

1463
01:17:23,160 –> 01:17:24,840
I’m too.
I like the way Clapton steals

1464
01:17:24,840 –> 01:17:26,480
the Blues from black people too
much.

1465
01:17:26,920 –> 01:17:31,960
Maybe that was Elvis’s Bourne,
Jason Bourne moment when he

1466
01:17:31,960 –> 01:17:35,480
pushed Clapton’s kid out the
window and it made him snap and

1467
01:17:35,480 –> 01:17:38,320
he went off.
He just disappeared and all of

1468
01:17:38,320 –> 01:17:39,920
his training dissolved.
He didn’t.

1469
01:17:40,040 –> 01:17:42,640
He had disassociation, didn’t
know who he was anymore more.

1470
01:17:42,760 –> 01:17:44,640
I think that’s oh.
Yeah, amnesia.

1471
01:17:44,800 –> 01:17:46,040
Amnesia.
Yeah.

1472
01:17:46,040 –> 01:17:49,960
And yeah, Bradley Newell from
Sublime triggered him again.

1473
01:17:50,160 –> 01:17:53,200
Imagine being Elvis and having
amnesia.

1474
01:17:53,320 –> 01:17:56,960
You’re just out who am.
I Why are the Why are those

1475
01:17:56,960 –> 01:17:59,080
people talking like me
everywhere?

1476
01:17:59,440 –> 01:18:02,040
Why am I wearing this very
ornate rhinestone suit?

1477
01:18:02,160 –> 01:18:04,920
I don’t understand.
Why do I keep wanting to break?

1478
01:18:04,920 –> 01:18:08,000
Bricks.
I’ll break in five bricks just

1479
01:18:08,000 –> 01:18:09,240
sitting here.
I don’t even know why.

1480
01:18:10,000 –> 01:18:12,360
Nima of Mario from the Super
Mario games.

1481
01:18:12,840 –> 01:18:15,600
So I think that’s our episode.
We did it.

1482
01:18:16,160 –> 01:18:19,920
I would not recommend talk.
About Monty Nicholson at all,

1483
01:18:19,920 –> 01:18:21,680
really.
The fucking.

1484
01:18:22,120 –> 01:18:24,520
I don’t ever want to talk about
cops in this.

1485
01:18:24,520 –> 01:18:27,080
No.
Yeah, Monty Nicholson, he’s a

1486
01:18:27,080 –> 01:18:29,360
piece of shit.
He’s another guy who wrote a

1487
01:18:29,360 –> 01:18:32,800
book.
But yeah, anytime LAPD shows up

1488
01:18:32,800 –> 01:18:35,320
in a conspiracy, it’s like, I
know what side you’re on.

1489
01:18:35,320 –> 01:18:38,000
Let’s fucking move on to the
next step.

1490
01:18:38,320 –> 01:18:42,600
Wasn’t he the LAPD PD guy that
LAPD made fun of because of his?

1491
01:18:43,560 –> 01:18:47,480
Here’s the thing, he’s not LAPD,
he’s LASD, which is even fucking

1492
01:18:47,480 –> 01:18:48,840
worse.
Oh, he’s sheriff.

1493
01:18:49,200 –> 01:18:50,560
Oh, OK.
Yeah, yeah.

1494
01:18:50,760 –> 01:18:52,560
Yeah, that’s not his
jurisdiction.

1495
01:18:52,560 –> 01:18:55,520
I don’t give a fuck what that
guy has to say about Elvis.

1496
01:18:55,720 –> 01:18:57,840
Yeah, there’s a lot in this we
didn’t talk about.

1497
01:18:58,160 –> 01:19:01,600
And that’s the thing.
I don’t really recommend these

1498
01:19:01,800 –> 01:19:05,200
documentaries.
Listen, not to be that guy, but

1499
01:19:05,200 –> 01:19:06,960
I feel like you’ve heard
everything you need to hear

1500
01:19:07,480 –> 01:19:12,440
about the death of Elvis.
Yeah, like the books, all the

1501
01:19:12,440 –> 01:19:16,920
books, everything out there is a
lot like this, where there’s

1502
01:19:16,920 –> 01:19:21,160
some kernels of what seems like
might be the truth reference to

1503
01:19:21,160 –> 01:19:24,720
our corn podcast.
But then there’s also just a lot

1504
01:19:24,720 –> 01:19:29,800
of bullshit that is clearly fake
that is meant to muddy the

1505
01:19:29,800 –> 01:19:33,600
waters a little bit, I think.
Muddy Waters.

1506
01:19:33,640 –> 01:19:37,160
I think the most compelling
thing is the way the Frederick

1507
01:19:37,160 –> 01:19:41,960
Peter pro investigation and
Elvis’s last days as a public

1508
01:19:41,960 –> 01:19:44,400
figure line up.
I think that is the most

1509
01:19:44,400 –> 01:19:47,440
compelling shit.
I think them sending it to a

1510
01:19:47,440 –> 01:19:50,840
grand jury the day before he
disappears I think is highly

1511
01:19:50,840 –> 01:19:53,880
fucking compelling.
The fact that several people

1512
01:19:54,000 –> 01:19:57,520
went to prison over it, some of
them ended up being informants

1513
01:19:57,520 –> 01:20:00,720
themselves, and when all that is
announced, then they put out the

1514
01:20:00,720 –> 01:20:03,640
medical examiners report.
I think it’s just simpler than

1515
01:20:03,640 –> 01:20:07,400
people are making it out to be.
The Operation fountain pen

1516
01:20:07,400 –> 01:20:11,680
stuff, that’s where the meat is
and they spend so little time

1517
01:20:11,680 –> 01:20:12,600
with it.
Yeah.

1518
01:20:13,000 –> 01:20:17,400
And what’s frustrating is GAIL
Brewer, Giorgio, in the last

1519
01:20:17,400 –> 01:20:20,080
Elvis book of hers that I
covered, talks about her

1520
01:20:20,080 –> 01:20:22,360
upcoming Operation Fountain Pen
book.

1521
01:20:22,520 –> 01:20:24,280
And that never happened.
I don’t know.

1522
01:20:24,280 –> 01:20:26,600
No, they got her.
Yeah, I don’t know.

1523
01:20:26,600 –> 01:20:30,520
But I think that is really the
crux here.

1524
01:20:30,520 –> 01:20:32,880
And one important thing about
Operation Fountain Pen, because

1525
01:20:32,880 –> 01:20:35,440
you’re right, they don’t bring
it up enough in this

1526
01:20:35,480 –> 01:20:39,040
documentary, is at one point
during that while they’re

1527
01:20:39,040 –> 01:20:42,400
investigating Frederick Peter
Pro, he tried to have someone

1528
01:20:42,400 –> 01:20:45,440
killed who was going to testify
against him.

1529
01:20:45,880 –> 01:20:49,040
So it’s very possible that this
whole time Elvis was like, oh,

1530
01:20:49,480 –> 01:20:52,840
this is fun side police work.
And then at one point the FBI

1531
01:20:52,840 –> 01:20:56,800
was like, actually, this guy’s
going to fucking murder you if

1532
01:20:56,800 –> 01:21:00,960
this goes awry.
So we might actually need you to

1533
01:21:00,960 –> 01:21:03,440
disappear forever.
It’s all all.

1534
01:21:03,440 –> 01:21:06,360
Because Elvis wanted to sell one
of his planes, Yeah.

1535
01:21:07,360 –> 01:21:10,400
Crazy, crazy man.
But yeah, I don’t know.

1536
01:21:10,400 –> 01:21:12,000
We’re never going to know.
We’re never going to know.

1537
01:21:12,680 –> 01:21:15,360
Until he shows up as a guest on
the podcast.

1538
01:21:15,560 –> 01:21:18,200
That’s when we get 92 year old
Elvis, Yeah.

1539
01:21:18,320 –> 01:21:21,000
That’s a good get fuck you guy
from EVE 6.

1540
01:21:21,000 –> 01:21:23,760
We’ve got Elvis.
Exactly.

1541
01:21:26,000 –> 01:21:29,000
Jesus.
So all right, let’s try this

1542
01:21:29,000 –> 01:21:30,600
again.
I think that’s our episode.

1543
01:21:33,280 –> 01:21:36,760
Andy Travis, thank you so much
for joining me on Conspiracy the

1544
01:21:36,760 –> 01:21:38,520
show.
Everyone who listens to

1545
01:21:38,520 –> 01:21:40,320
Conspiracy the Show should also
check out.

1546
01:21:40,320 –> 01:21:42,840
You don’t even like this band.
I’m going to, I’m going to put

1547
01:21:42,840 –> 01:21:46,200
the whole first Fleetwood Mac
season out publicly soon.

1548
01:21:46,560 –> 01:21:48,400
By the time you hear this, it
should be up.

1549
01:21:48,480 –> 01:21:52,640
And then there’s a whole second
Fleetwood Mac season that is

1550
01:21:52,640 –> 01:21:55,880
currently for subscribers only
that you can subscribe and

1551
01:21:55,880 –> 01:21:57,720
listen to.
And then we’re going to be back

1552
01:21:57,720 –> 01:21:59,960
with another season soon.
I don’t know who we’re going to

1553
01:21:59,960 –> 01:22:02,280
cover, but we’ll figure it out.
Maybe Elvis.

1554
01:22:02,640 –> 01:22:05,200
In the meantime, what do we have
to plug before we get out of

1555
01:22:05,200 –> 01:22:07,720
here?
Adam toddbrown.subsec.com That’s

1556
01:22:07,720 –> 01:22:09,400
all I got.
Andy, what do you got to plug?

1557
01:22:09,720 –> 01:22:15,280
Live from the Imperial Palace
Casino look good for the boys.

1558
01:22:15,280 –> 01:22:19,400
New episodes are up, season
seven is going and that’s it.

1559
01:22:19,440 –> 01:22:22,680
That’s all I got.
I got nothing to plug plug but

1560
01:22:22,680 –> 01:22:25,080
you can follow me on Instagram
at Track Rivals.

1561
01:22:25,480 –> 01:22:28,200
I’m posting all my hiking shit
there and I’m going to be

1562
01:22:28,200 –> 01:22:33,120
attempting Mount Whitney in two
weeks so you can follow along if

1563
01:22:33,120 –> 01:22:36,120
you want to see if I live.
You’re going to live.

1564
01:22:36,280 –> 01:22:39,200
Don’t be that way unless the
fraternity gets you.

1565
01:22:39,440 –> 01:22:42,360
I’m telling you, three people
have died on that mountain this

1566
01:22:42,400 –> 01:22:44,800
in the past month, so it’s a
dangerous spot.

1567
01:22:45,080 –> 01:22:46,600
Yeah, sounds fun.
Sounds fun.

1568
01:22:46,720 –> 01:22:49,880
Well, be safe and let’s get the
fuck out of here.

1569
01:22:49,880 –> 01:22:52,160
Andy, say goodbye.
Please don’t die, Travis.

1570
01:22:52,160 –> 01:22:54,160
Goodbye.
Travis say goodbye, but not

1571
01:22:54,160 –> 01:22:56,440
forever.
Goodbye, but not forever, Mama.

1572
01:22:57,520 –> 01:22:58,880
Goodbye everybody, we love you.