Conspiracy! The Show 290: The Massacre at El Mozote

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Welcome to Conspiracy The Show,
the world’s most trusted

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conspiracy theory podcast, with
your hosts Adam Todd Brown and

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Olivia Hydar.
Hey, everybody, welcome to

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Conspiracy the Show.
I’m your host, Adam Todd Brown,

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joining me as guests this week,
Plural.

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For starters, John Lewis is
here.

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John, how’s it going?
All right, you don’t even like

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your spirits.
Wait, that’s not the tagline.

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It is because you two are the
only ones whoever volunteered to

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do this show.
Kim Kroll’s here also.

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Hi, we are.
Yeah, people are really

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reluctant to do this show cause
the word conspiracy has so much

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stink on it.
I think people assume I’m coming

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on here and plotting
insurrections and things of the

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like when I.
Mean, that’s why I volunteer,

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’cause I thought that’s what we
were.

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Wait, that’s not what we’re
doing today.

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You should have gotten the
e-mail.

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We planned the insurrection.
We’re just on to other stuff

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now.
Oh.

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Yeah, I need to keep.
The other tag line for the show

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could be stories that minorities
thought everyone believes

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already looks at the show.
Like, yeah, well, I knew.

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I thought everybody believed all
that shit.

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We’ve already knew about this.
Yeah, I was thinking today while

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I was reading about today’s
subject, I was like, do you

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think maybe Adam would do a fun
conspiracy?

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Just one where it’s a bunch of
yucks like the Avril Lavigne one

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just as a palate cleanser.
Yeah, tell me you don’t listen

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to the podcast without telling
me you don’t listen to the

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podcast.
I’ve actually done the Avril

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Lavigne Conspiracy.
I’ve covered a bunch of fun

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stuff.
It’s not.

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I’ve been doing this podcast
since 2017 ish.

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I don’t know what year it is, so
it’s a while.

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Yeah, we’re closing in on 300
episodes.

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It’s not all sad things.
It’s just we’re talking about

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Ronald Reagan this month.
And Ronald Reagan sucks and he

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ruined the world and nothing he
did was happy, except when he

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died, obviously.
But beyond that he didn’t do

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much good.
So I don’t know there, there are

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no fun Reagan conspiracies, you
know.

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No, I’ll listen to the fun ones.
Sorry to tell you that I don’t.

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I haven’t listened to all the
episodes.

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I mean, I was joking.
I assume most people haven’t

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listened to all my podcasts.
It’s fine.

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It’s like Huey Freeman from the
Boondocks, said Ronald Wilson

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Reagan.
He even got 6 letters in each,

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three of his names.
He’s a devil.

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Oh shit, he does.
Oh, so he is in hell right now?

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That’s good.
I like that.

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Hopefully they got a super Max
sale like it’s different tiers

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or something you know?
Yeah.

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I want their.
What did you say that one time?

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It was so funny.
Somebody called in.

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We’re taking calls for, I think
the 5th, 100th episode, 500th

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episode.
That’s how you say it.

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That’s how you say that.
Yeah. 5th 100.

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Mom’s tired.
You somebody said you don’t

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believe in hell or something
like, how can you say that?

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There’s you don’t believe in
hell, but you want Ronald Reagan

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and you without skipping AB, you
just sell.

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I want there to be a hell so
Ronald Reagan can be rotting in

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it.
Yeah.

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And I think about that twice a
week.

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Ronald Reagan was the worst
president we’ve ever had, Trump

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included.
He’s worse than anyone term

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president ’cause he got two
terms and got to do all sorts of

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damage.
I also know it’s weird to say

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it’s Reagan month on Conspiracy
the Show when it’s the middle of

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the month.
So I guess it’s more like Reagan

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the next four weeks on
Conspiracy the Show.

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Hell, maybe six weeks.
There’s a lot.

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And even then, we won’t get
through all of the havoc.

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Ronald Reagan and the CIA
wreaked on the world.

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We’re going to talk about some
of the big scandals like the

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Iran Contra affair, the savings
and loans scandal, which is a

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really underrated one.
But also we’re going to talk

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about some lesser known stuff,
like what we’re talking about

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today, which is the massacre at
El Mazzot.

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A I had it written as the
Mazzottay Massacre, but actually

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the name of the village is El
Mazzottay.

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And if I write the El Mazzottay
massacre, that’s going to look

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insane because that just means
the the Mazzottay.

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This was a thing I had never
heard of.

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And when you sometimes hear
people say the United States

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created MS13, which is the gang
the government is the most

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scared of right now, this is the
kind of shit they’re talking

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about.
This is exactly the kind of

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thing that we did in Latin
America to cause people to flee

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to the United States.
And with MS13, we did shit like

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this.
A bunch of people fled El

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Salvador, ended up in South
Central Los Angeles surrounded

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by St. gangs.
They create a gang of their own

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to protect themselves from these
St. gangs.

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Fast forward to 1992.
Bill Clinton removes protection

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from those people who sought
refuge in the United States,

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deports them back to El
Salvador, They take MS13 with

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them.
And that’s literally how that

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grew and flourished.
Started here because we forced

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people out of El Salvador, and
then once they became a criminal

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outfit of their own, we sent it
back to El Salvador for them to

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deal with it.
That’s the thing that really

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bothers me about immigration and
when people take this hard line

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stance on immigration, I could
maybe buy it if it wasn’t us

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causing all the problems that
make people want to flee to the

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United States.
But it is.

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It’s us, and so we have some
responsibility to fix it in a

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way that doesn’t end in millions
people dying.

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Even though down to the way
America labels it, when it’s

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people fleeing Ukraine, they’re
refugees.

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But when it’s people fleeing
Central America or Haiti or

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something like that, they’re
immigrants.

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They’re all refugees.
They’re not just leaving their

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entire life because, you know,
they want to go take a trip to

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America.
Like, most people would prefer

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to live in their culture, where
they live and stuff.

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Like, you know how bad it got to
be to make a Rast out of like,

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sticks and empty bottles and
stuff.

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And that’s not a joke.
They literally making rafts out

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of anything in some parts of the
world to try and make it here.

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Yeah.
And it’s so crazy.

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Human immigrants, the way they
look at other immigrants, y’all

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know that they flee the same
reason that you flee.

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It’s just crazy that the way
America kind of turns people

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against each other and this
classism and colorism and all

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that stuff, like depending who
gets to be a refugee, who gets

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to be an immigrant and, well,
who did it the right way and who

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got grandfathered in and all
that shit.

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Yeah.
Yeah, it’s terrifying because

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it’s getting to a it feels like
a breaking point where, I mean,

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Trump keeps promising on day one
the largest deportation effort

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in history.
I don’t know if people are not

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paying attention when he says
that, but his administration is

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promising to round up 10 to 13
million people the Jesus.

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Christ.
First day of his administration

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they have used the words send
them to camps which are already

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constructed on the border with
Mexico and then expel them from

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the country from there.
So this, what we’re talking

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about today, is kind of the
genesis of what’s happening

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today.
And this shit happened in 1982.

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It’s older than a lot of people
I know.

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Older than me.
Yeah, that’s it’s as old as I

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am.
Yeah, and on top of being a

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really good example of how
brutal the shit we did in Latin

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America in the 80s under Reagan
was, it’s also a great example

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of how much influence the
government and the military

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exert on the media in this
country.

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Yeah.
We really like to pretend that

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we are just the freest place on
earth and there are no limits on

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our freedom.
We can do whatever we want.

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Oh, they kill journalists in
Russia.

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Yeah, people got mad when Trump
said we do here too.

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But we do here too.
And there’s a reason we’re #55

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on the World Press Freedom
Index, which is a list of the

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freest countries according.
To wild, Yeah.

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I mean, I’m not surprised, but
that’s wild.

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And here’s a interesting thing
to note about that.

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In the past year, we’ve dropped
10 spots.

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So under Biden, in the past
year, we’ve dropped 10 spots on

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the Press Freedom Index.
I mean, yeah, that makes sense

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because, you know, I got a lot
of YouTube friends and just

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between Cop City and trying to
talk about Palestine, what’s

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going on from the actual factual
point, a lot of us, we just

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can’t do it because you, you
will straight up get your video

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flagged even if you’re trying to
just report point.

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I mean, you know, I’m saying
report stuff and it’s so crazy

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that the media can decide what
you’re allowed to talk about,

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you know, from that point.
It’s just so I it makes sense in

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America and Drop isn’t dropping
like that.

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Yeah, and it’s kind of an
illusion how free we are here

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when it comes to the press
because, yeah, you can write

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stuff like you write whatever
you want.

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You can say whatever you want,
but the government will

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retaliate if you say the wrong
shit.

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And this is an example of it,
what we’re going to talk about

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today.
But first, before we get into

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what happened at El Mizzote,
which is in El Salvador, for the

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record, happened in December
1981, we should talk about the

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School of the Americas, which.
Never heard of this.

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This deserves a few episodes
too.

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Maybe we’ll cover this at some
point.

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It’s still in operation for
starters, but now it’s called

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the Western Hemisphere Institute
for Security Cooperation.

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Anytime the government has a
building with that long of a

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name, evil shits happening
inside that building guaranteed

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also.
They went from like 4 syllables

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to 25.
That couldn’t make it more

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sinister.
Sound a building.

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And they still try to acronym it
so it’s WHISK, which that’s

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dumb, that’s stupid.
Just call it School of the

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Americas.
Sounds awesome.

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That’s what it should have been.
Just keep the name if you’re

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going to keep it.
Also sounds super sketchy and

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spy like but at least.
Oh, sure, sure.

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It’s not so long and sketchy,
but School of America’s

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definitely sounds dangerous.
It is literally where the United

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States trains dictators and
rebel groups that we then use to

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impose our will on Latin
American countries.

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And if it seems like I’m
exaggerating, Please note they

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stopped teaching classes in
English in 1956.

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They only teach classes in
Spanish.

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This is a place that is purely
meant to train people to go fuck

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up Latin American countries.
It was located in the Panama

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Canal Zone until the Panama
Canal treaty kicked it out, and

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that’s when it moved to Fort
Benning in, I think 96,

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something like that.
And a lot of what we did in

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Latin America in the 80s under
Reagan’s starts with the School

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of America’s, including the
massacre at El Mazzott A,

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because the US had a big stake
in the Salvadoran civil war

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which lasted from 1979 to 1992.
Brutal civil war lot.

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I mean, as opposed to all those
chill civil wars throughout

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history.
Of course it was brutal.

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This one lasted a long fucking
time.

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And the ruling party were a
right wing military junta that

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was opposed to communism.
And that is all you needed to be

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on our side in the 1980s during
the Cold War was just don’t be

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on the side of Russia.
But they had groups within the

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country that wanted to side with
Russia and wanted to be a more

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communist leaning regime.
And instead of letting them

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fight that out at the ballot
box, we, you know, sent the CIA

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in to fuck things up and
destabilize the country.

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We did a lot of that.
Question you lived through the

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Cold War.
Did America ever explain what

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was supposed to be so bad about
communism?

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Because the more I learned about
them like wait so you mean

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workers having rights and stuff?
Why are we supposed to not like

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this?
I think it’s the workers having

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rights stuff, yeah.
I mean, America is owned by

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corporations.
We are capitalist as United

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States didn’t want to fucking
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So we have to fight communism.
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regime that was in charge.
There’s obviously more to the

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civil war in El Salvador, but
we’re not going to be able to

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get to all that.
So at the School of Americas,

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the United States trained what
would go on to become one of the

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most elite and feared counter
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called the Atlacato Battalion.
We’re going to call them AB from

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now on.
That name is a mouthful and they

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don’t deserve that much respect.
You’ll see they were formed in

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81 as El Salvador’s quote First
rapid response unit dedicated to

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fighting leftist guerrillas.
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According to a 1992 LA Times
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being disbanded and their job in
El Salvador was just a hunt for

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communists.
Find the communist sympathizers.

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Find the guerrillas they were
fighting and take them out.

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And also in the 80s calling
someone a communist or accusing

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someone of a being a communist
anywhere was.

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I mean, these were communists.
It’s just whether they needed to

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be haunted and executed or if
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vote on who they want to run the
country, that’s the question.

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And we usually didn’t let people
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We would just go and install
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And what’s especially tragic
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that the village had a
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In the Salvadoran civil war, it
was Catholics, apparently, who

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were mostly sympathetic to the
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Meanwhile, El Mozote was mostly
evangelical Protestants who it

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seemed like just kind of wanted
to stay out of it and let those

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two sides fight to the point
that the military had come

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through town before.
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But they also knew, as far as
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this was a place you couldn’t
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They weren’t interested in
fighting, but they weren’t gonna

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fight you either.
And the attack, what purpose did

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they serve?
Was it just to send a message or

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what?
Because they didn’t really

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accomplish anything by doing
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That’s the thing, it seems like
just a war crime.

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It seems like they got there
looking for one thing, realized

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it wasn’t there, got mad, and
decided they were going to have

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some fun.
And by that I mean literally

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murder the entire population of
a village and burn it to the

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ground.
One person survived who was

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actually there.
A lot of people fled before it

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happened, but one person who was
there survived, which that’s

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terrifying.
I don’t know how you even live

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out any sort of normal life
after that.

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I don’t know how you even you
don’t.

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You just you’ve never, you’ve
never are.

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OK again, that’s such a small
way to put it.

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That changes your DNA.
American journalist Mark Danner.

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He wrote a book about this
attack based on various witness

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accounts.
It was called The Massacre at El

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Mazzotti.
The timeline of events,

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according to that book, is as
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And I don’t know if warn is the
right word, but I want to warn

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people that while this is going
to be a little graphic, I’m

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skipping over a whole lot.
This was a brutal, brutal attack

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on this village, and the details
of it are the worst.

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It’s the worst.
So December 10th, 1981, units

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from this battalion arrive at El
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gorillas in a nearby village.
This is El Mozote.

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It’s a very small place.
There’s like 20 houses.

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There was a church, there was a
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There’s a schoolhouse.
And it seems like that’s all

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that was there.
And on that first day, soldiers

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order everyone out of their
houses and into the town square,

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where everyone is searched and
asked about insurgents in the

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area.
They’re told there’s no one

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here, which was true.
There apparently were people

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related to this insurgent group
in El Mazote.

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But they fled.
They knew this was happening.

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They knew the military was
coming through.

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So they left, and there’s a
pretty harrowing quote later

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about that, But the military
shows up.

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They take everyone out of the
buildings, line them up, ask

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them all these questions and
then tell them go back inside.

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If you come out, you’re going to
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And that’s the thing.
If you read the account of the

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one survivor, one of the first
things you’ll read is she was

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like, we trusted the military.
We were told as long as we

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stayed inside and didn’t come
out we would be fine and so no

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one saw this coming at all.
So everyone stays inside.

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The next morning, soldiers come
back out, take everyone back

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out, separate the men from the
women and children and

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interrogate, torture and murder
all the men.

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By the end of the morning.
So span of a few hours at noon

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they start rounding up the women
and older girls and I think

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everyone knows.
Yeah, they pillaged.

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It’s another term that goes with
that.

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Yeah, yeah, the is that what?
Pillage means.

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I’ve never looked into that
pillage means.

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Term well they when they say
raping pillage, you know it’s.

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Yeah, Oh.
Yeah, they go hand in hand

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together.
And Jesus.

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And then all the women and older
girls were murdered.

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And then they kill the children
in the most brutal way.

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They slit their throats and hang
them from trees, which at that

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point you’re really not on any
kind of fucking fact finding

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mission.
You’re not looking for

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communist, you just are
bloodthirsty fucking maniacs who

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like killing people.
And get to do it behind the

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guise of a military and the
guise of a.

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Not just behind the guise of a
military, but a military that

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was trained by the most powerful
country on earth.

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We financed and trained the
people that did this.

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They came from the School of the
Americas.

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This is that fucking drug
commercial in the 80s where

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we’re like, where did you learn
this?

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And they’re like from you.
All right?

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We learned it by watching you.
That’s this.

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We trained these motherfuckers.
This Is Us.

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Basically, it’s not American
troops, but they might as well

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be.
They were trained by us and they

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were there fighting on our
behalf.

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But we were saying earlier, it’s
basically what America, what had

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just stopped doing not that long
ago.

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This happened in the 80s, but
pretty much well into the 70s,

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America was doing this shit
like, hey, you all fighting for

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equal rights.
All right, We’ll, we’ll just

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have to teach these uppity
blacks a lesson.

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Just going from town to town,
they would burn it down.

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And, you know, it’s lit.
It’s still people living that

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witnessed lynchings.
And you know, saying some people

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mind lynchings is something that
happened a long time ago, but

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they were still happening or
just the history of America.

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One of the lecture does the 90s.
Some one of the Youtubers I

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follow, she was talking about
just prom culture in America up

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until the late 90s.
There were just there were

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literally segregated Proms.
They wouldn’t allow black and

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white Proms to happen.
So just going town to town, just

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killing people.
It sounds like they didn’t have

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any motive, but if they learned
this from America, this this is

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what America teaches.
You see a group of people

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fighting for equality or
something that you feel like

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they shouldn’t have.
You just go around killing and

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you know that that this stuff
has been happening and then that

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trauma is passed down.
The death toll ended up being

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around 7.
The estimate I think is 794

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people that were killed in this
attack and this is 1 village.

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This is an operation that lasted
from December 8th to the 21st,

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and they went to a bunch of
villages and the results were

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very similar.
It’s just that this one is where

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it was the worst.
And again, we train them that

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blood is on this country’s
hands.

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And so, as you’d expect, the
Reagan administration wasn’t in

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any hurry to let people know
about this.

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So it took a while for people to
find out about this because this

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it’s 1982, there’s no social
media, there’s no smartphones.

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You kind of have to rely on the
media to tell you about stuff

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like this.
And The New York Times had a

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reporter in El Salvador, a guy
named Raymond Bonner.

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And he, on January 27th, 1982,
wrote a story in The New York

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Times about what happened at El
Mazote.

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And we’ll link to what are
basically the only two major

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media outlet articles about what
happened and his report.

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It’s fucking harrowing.
He talks about seeing charred

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skulls, piles of bodies, and he
talked to the lone survivor, a

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woman named Rufina Amaya, who
she managed to escape into the

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jungle when they were separating
the men and women.

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She managed to get to the jungle
and hid in a tree.

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Her husband, who was blind, was
killed and then her kids were

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killed.
One of them was eight months

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old.
So they’re killing babies.

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When?
How?

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Do you kill a baby?
Like, how do you kill anybody?

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One.
But how do you fucking kill a

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baby?
Yeah, I don’t get it.

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Yeah, I don’t know.
I don’t know.

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I guess because the United
States trained you to.

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Who knows?
She said when the soldiers first

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showed up, they asked where the
weapons were.

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And when they were told there
were none, they just became

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irate.
There had been Communist

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sympathizers in the village
before this, but they fled.

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And this is a quote from Carlos
Martinez, who was 46 at the

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time.
He’s one of the people that fled

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before this quote.
We didn’t think they would kill

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children, women and old people.
So they remained.

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End Quote.
And these monsters showed up and

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did exactly that.
They didn’t find who they

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thought they were going to find.
So they were like, we got to

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kill someone, so they killed
everybody else.

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So this was just a straight up
war crime.

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There was no benefit to the
security of the United States.

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This didn’t benefit anyone.
This was just men and women who

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had and children who had nothing
to do with this conflict, just

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murdered by people we trained.
Yeah, just sending a message

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that basically it’s no
neutrality either.

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You against communism, are you
with it?

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Yeah, and if you’re not against
it, you’re with it.

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Yeah, right.
Jesus.

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So this report comes out in The
New York Times.

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And then a few days later, a
Washington Post reporter named

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Alma Guillermo Prieto visited
Elma Zote and published a story

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in that paper.
And we’ll link to both of them.

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You can read the original
articles.

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They are as horrifying as you’d
expect.

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But what’s also horrifying was
the Reagan administration’s

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response to it and also the way
the media immediately fell in

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line with the government’s
response because at this point,

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a lot of what Reagan was doing
in Latin America was covert.

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But it wasn’t a secret.
It was known that we were

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involved in what was happening
down there, so they weren’t in

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any hurry for the story to get
out.

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And when it did get out, the
journalists who talked about it

438
00:25:14,720 –> 00:25:17,280
got ruined.
This is a quote from Raymond

439
00:25:17,280 –> 00:25:20,000
Bonner.
That story was the beginning and

440
00:25:20,040 –> 00:25:23,240
end of my career at The New York
Times.

441
00:25:23,480 –> 00:25:29,600
And the first attack comes from
this conservative media watch

442
00:25:29,600 –> 00:25:32,440
group called Accuracy in Media.
Who?

443
00:25:33,240 –> 00:25:38,480
Clay exactly who claimed.
Just a branch at a government or

444
00:25:38,480 –> 00:25:40,680
CIA offshoot.
Absolutely.

445
00:25:40,880 –> 00:25:44,480
And they claimed that both of
these reporters held their

446
00:25:44,480 –> 00:25:48,720
stories to coincide with a
deadline Ronald Reagan was

447
00:25:48,720 –> 00:25:52,840
facing where he had to prove the
human rights situation in El

448
00:25:52,840 –> 00:25:56,560
Salvador was getting better in
order to keep funding going for

449
00:25:56,560 –> 00:25:58,520
what they were doing in El
Salvador.

450
00:25:59,160 –> 00:26:04,280
And imagine that being your
criticism instead of no, that

451
00:26:04,280 –> 00:26:06,680
didn’t happen.
It’s like, Oh yeah, well, we did

452
00:26:06,680 –> 00:26:09,920
that terrible thing, but you’re
just telling people because you

453
00:26:09,920 –> 00:26:11,920
want them to find out that
Reagan did it.

454
00:26:12,040 –> 00:26:13,720
Yeah, of course that’s.
Why but of?

455
00:26:13,720 –> 00:26:17,520
Course, that’s why anytime
that’s the defense as opposed to

456
00:26:17,520 –> 00:26:20,280
know what you’re saying is
false, you can just assume that

457
00:26:20,280 –> 00:26:24,800
story’s true, I would say.
Imagine learning this is Raymond

458
00:26:24,800 –> 00:26:26,560
Bonner.
You write this article, you

459
00:26:26,560 –> 00:26:29,280
think, oh, I’m a reporter, so
I’m going to report the news.

460
00:26:29,680 –> 00:26:33,520
The world needs to know.
And then you find out, oh, you

461
00:26:33,520 –> 00:26:37,160
don’t get to report the news.
You get to report what you are

462
00:26:37,160 –> 00:26:39,920
told to report or your life is
ruined, right?

463
00:26:40,520 –> 00:26:42,400
That’s.
And I don’t feel like we’re that

464
00:26:42,400 –> 00:26:46,000
much different today, you know,
in terms of media.

465
00:26:46,240 –> 00:26:48,920
Oh no, definitely not.
I mean, there’s obviously things

466
00:26:48,920 –> 00:26:52,120
you can’t report in the media
now.

467
00:26:52,320 –> 00:26:55,560
I feel like you can kind of vet
media outlets that way.

468
00:26:55,680 –> 00:27:01,080
Newsweek is the still only
outlet that reported on the fact

469
00:27:01,080 –> 00:27:05,400
that the Department of Defense
has been building a spy network

470
00:27:05,520 –> 00:27:10,800
in the United States that is now
like 40,000 people who just go

471
00:27:10,800 –> 00:27:13,840
out into communities.
They have fake social media

472
00:27:13,840 –> 00:27:18,560
profiles, fake names, and I
guarantee you they are in LA

473
00:27:18,560 –> 00:27:20,880
comedy.
If you’re a fucking musician,

474
00:27:21,200 –> 00:27:23,800
they’re there.
If your fucking YouTube

475
00:27:23,800 –> 00:27:27,880
personality, you probably know
someone who is one of them.

476
00:27:28,040 –> 00:27:32,840
There are more of them than
there are undercover CIA agents

477
00:27:33,080 –> 00:27:37,520
and they’re operating in the
United States and one media

478
00:27:37,520 –> 00:27:42,320
outlet reported about it.
How is that not the government

479
00:27:42,320 –> 00:27:45,280
influencing our media?
If people are wondering why

480
00:27:45,280 –> 00:27:49,200
we’re 55 on that list, that’s
why.

481
00:27:49,400 –> 00:27:52,560
That’s obviously why.
And it’s because these outlets

482
00:27:52,560 –> 00:27:55,720
like the New York Times,
Washington Post, they lean on

483
00:27:55,720 –> 00:28:00,240
government access to do their
job, which is kind of a

484
00:28:00,240 –> 00:28:02,600
backwards way to do it.
Why would you go to the

485
00:28:02,600 –> 00:28:05,480
government and be like, is this
story people are saying about

486
00:28:05,480 –> 00:28:06,080
you?
True.

487
00:28:06,280 –> 00:28:08,280
And then the government will say
no.

488
00:28:08,280 –> 00:28:10,760
And they’re like, well, we asked
the government and they said no.

489
00:28:10,760 –> 00:28:13,840
And it’s.
Like, yeah, we did do that, of

490
00:28:13,840 –> 00:28:16,280
course.
America had a whole thing called

491
00:28:16,280 –> 00:28:20,400
COINTELPRO and I’m trying to
remember I’m assuming that

492
00:28:20,400 –> 00:28:22,880
wasn’t official when it was
happening and people probably

493
00:28:22,880 –> 00:28:26,200
called you a conspiracy met for
talking about COINTELPRO and

494
00:28:26,200 –> 00:28:29,080
then they came out like no they
literally just saying you know

495
00:28:29,200 –> 00:28:32,440
people out in the black
neighborhoods and just buy nest

496
00:28:32,440 –> 00:28:34,040
a job.
Yeah, yeah.

497
00:28:34,520 –> 00:28:36,760
What is this?
You never heard of Cohen Tail

498
00:28:36,760 –> 00:28:38,400
Pro?
No.

499
00:28:38,400 –> 00:28:40,840
Yeah.
Back when the Black Panthers

500
00:28:40,840 –> 00:28:43,200
were at its height, I think it
was supported pretty much like

501
00:28:43,520 –> 00:28:46,880
50% of them had government ties.
Cohen Tail Pro was

502
00:28:47,160 –> 00:28:51,040
counterintelligence program and
they were doing the civil rights

503
00:28:51,040 –> 00:28:55,840
movements and to the mid 70s, if
it was a group of people like,

504
00:28:55,840 –> 00:28:59,840
hey, we’re organizing to feed
hungry kids before school, the

505
00:28:59,840 –> 00:29:02,200
government would just go send
them out to spy and stuff.

506
00:29:02,200 –> 00:29:05,360
And it was just so well known.
They just basically infiltrated

507
00:29:05,360 –> 00:29:09,680
any leftist movement and, you
know, made sure Fred Hampton got

508
00:29:09,680 –> 00:29:12,400
killed in his bedroom in the
shootout even though he never

509
00:29:12,400 –> 00:29:15,560
fired and stuff like that.
They were spying on Muhammad Ali

510
00:29:15,560 –> 00:29:19,040
and stuff like anybody that was
so quote UN quote, radical.

511
00:29:19,600 –> 00:29:23,720
The Fred Hampton thing, I didn’t
realize, it’s not just that he

512
00:29:23,720 –> 00:29:27,640
didn’t shoot.
An FBI informant drugged him, so

513
00:29:27,640 –> 00:29:31,360
he didn’t even wake up when the
police kicked his door in.

514
00:29:31,360 –> 00:29:34,120
So he obviously didn’t fucking
shoot.

515
00:29:34,320 –> 00:29:38,720
And the only question about
whether the government had Fred

516
00:29:38,720 –> 00:29:42,360
Hampton assassinated is if they
knew the police were going to

517
00:29:42,360 –> 00:29:45,200
shoot him.
Everything else the fucking

518
00:29:45,200 –> 00:29:48,120
United States government signed
off on.

519
00:29:48,520 –> 00:29:51,960
The only thing we don’t know is
if they were like also shoot him

520
00:29:52,080 –> 00:29:54,680
in bed.
But if that that wasn’t the plan

521
00:29:54,680 –> 00:29:56,280
why fucking drug him?
I.

522
00:29:56,400 –> 00:29:59,960
Yeah, and I know some people
have issues with how many with

523
00:29:59,960 –> 00:30:03,360
historical inaccuracies, but the
movie Judas and the Black

524
00:30:03,360 –> 00:30:06,160
Messiah was really good.
If you all never seen that with

525
00:30:06,160 –> 00:30:09,800
a Keith Stanfield and My Man,
get out.

526
00:30:09,920 –> 00:30:11,480
Two of my favorite actors out
too.

527
00:30:11,480 –> 00:30:14,120
It’s a really good movie.
Yeah, that was a really good

528
00:30:14,120 –> 00:30:16,320
movie.
And so let’s get back to the

529
00:30:16,320 –> 00:30:19,800
media and how they handled this
story.

530
00:30:19,920 –> 00:30:24,120
I already mentioned accuracy in
media basically said, well,

531
00:30:24,200 –> 00:30:26,760
yeah, it’s true, but you just
released it to hurt Ronald

532
00:30:26,760 –> 00:30:29,360
Reagan.
It’s like, no, the hurting

533
00:30:29,360 –> 00:30:31,840
Ronald Reagan was just going to
happen no matter what.

534
00:30:32,080 –> 00:30:34,800
I mean, it didn’t do shit to
hurt Ronald Reagan, but you get

535
00:30:34,800 –> 00:30:36,760
it.
People still worship that guy.

536
00:30:37,080 –> 00:30:39,680
And then after that,
representatives from the Reagan

537
00:30:39,680 –> 00:30:43,120
administration started claiming
that either the attack never

538
00:30:43,120 –> 00:30:47,400
happened or that the accounts
were exaggerated, which of

539
00:30:47,400 –> 00:30:51,160
course they did because again,
they did this.

540
00:30:51,400 –> 00:30:54,960
The Reagan administration, the
US government did this.

541
00:30:54,960 –> 00:30:58,720
We trained these people who went
in and did this.

542
00:30:58,720 –> 00:31:02,720
This Is Us.
So I’m not surprised they tried

543
00:31:02,720 –> 00:31:05,120
to cover it up.
They also at various times

544
00:31:05,120 –> 00:31:09,160
claimed that what happened at El
Mazzo was a gunfight between two

545
00:31:09,160 –> 00:31:11,200
opposing groups.
It was not.

546
00:31:11,360 –> 00:31:15,880
And shortly after the stories
ran, Thomas Enders, then

547
00:31:15,880 –> 00:31:19,800
assistant Secretary of State for
Inter American Affairs, said in

548
00:31:19,800 –> 00:31:22,480
front of a congressional
committee that, quote, no

549
00:31:22,480 –> 00:31:25,240
evidence could be found to
confirm that government forces

550
00:31:25,560 –> 00:31:28,400
systematically massacred
civilians.

551
00:31:28,640 –> 00:31:32,480
So they did eventually start
just straight up denying that

552
00:31:32,480 –> 00:31:37,240
this happened, probably because
they knew proving it was going

553
00:31:37,240 –> 00:31:41,760
to be really, really difficult.
Raymond Bonner described what he

554
00:31:41,760 –> 00:31:43,720
went through just to write that
article.

555
00:31:43,880 –> 00:31:48,840
He had to wade through a river
carrying his writing stuff above

556
00:31:48,840 –> 00:31:53,680
his head at one point.
This is a crazy remote village.

557
00:31:53,920 –> 00:31:57,760
It was suggested that at one
point the people the government

558
00:31:57,760 –> 00:32:01,920
sent to confirm if this happened
or not never even made it there.

559
00:32:02,120 –> 00:32:06,120
So they just came back and said
it never happened because they

560
00:32:06,120 –> 00:32:07,800
couldn’t even get to this
village.

561
00:32:08,000 –> 00:32:10,080
What the hell?
They couldn’t completed it did

562
00:32:10,080 –> 00:32:12,280
not finish.
It’s gonna say it didn’t happen.

563
00:32:12,520 –> 00:32:15,880
Yeah, take a fucking helicopter.
You’re the government people.

564
00:32:16,120 –> 00:32:18,600
People that did this massacre
had helicopters.

565
00:32:19,080 –> 00:32:21,160
Yeah, get some Jeeps or some
shit, yeah.

566
00:32:21,360 –> 00:32:23,680
Well, yeah, it’s pretty
convenient, though it’s hard to

567
00:32:23,680 –> 00:32:26,040
get to, so we’ll just say it
didn’t happen like.

568
00:32:26,120 –> 00:32:29,800
Yeah, and also once the guy
whose job title I didn’t even

569
00:32:29,800 –> 00:32:32,840
know existed until 5 minutes ago
was like, yeah, we, it didn’t

570
00:32:32,840 –> 00:32:34,480
have like, what do you even do
at that point?

571
00:32:34,480 –> 00:32:37,400
You know, it’s an actual, that’s
the conspiracy, we would say

572
00:32:37,400 –> 00:32:41,240
conspiracy, that the conspiracy
is not that it this happened,

573
00:32:41,240 –> 00:32:44,120
it’s that people are complicit
in covering it up.

574
00:32:44,400 –> 00:32:47,760
Well, that’s the thing, and
we’ll talk about another example

575
00:32:47,760 –> 00:32:50,920
of this in a minute, but once
the Reagan administration starts

576
00:32:50,920 –> 00:32:54,000
denying this, all these other
media outlets kind of rally

577
00:32:54,000 –> 00:32:58,280
around them and start
questioning these two reporters

578
00:32:58,560 –> 00:33:00,640
credentials.
Basically, the Wall Street

579
00:33:00,640 –> 00:33:05,520
Journal published a piece about
media coverage of El Salvador

580
00:33:05,720 –> 00:33:09,800
and accused Bonner of being,
quote, overly credulous, End

581
00:33:09,800 –> 00:33:12,880
Quote, and accused the
Washington Post of rallying

582
00:33:12,880 –> 00:33:16,840
behind a reporter out on a limb.
Then Time magazine weighed in

583
00:33:16,840 –> 00:33:21,200
shortly thereafter with a
criticism of the reporting that

584
00:33:21,320 –> 00:33:23,440
I’m not even joking.
I’ll read the quote in a second,

585
00:33:23,520 –> 00:33:27,000
but it boils down to, hey, just
cause women and children died,

586
00:33:27,080 –> 00:33:28,840
it doesn’t mean they weren’t
communists too.

587
00:33:29,000 –> 00:33:32,920
This is Time fucking magazine.
This is a quote.

588
00:33:33,040 –> 00:33:37,040
And even more crucial, if common
oversight, is the fact that

589
00:33:37,040 –> 00:33:41,920
women and children, generally
presumed to be civilians, can be

590
00:33:41,920 –> 00:33:44,200
active participants in guerrilla
war.

591
00:33:44,320 –> 00:33:47,960
New York Times correspondent
Raymond Bonner underplayed that

592
00:33:47,960 –> 00:33:52,880
possibility, for example, in a
much protested January 27th

593
00:33:52,880 –> 00:33:57,360
report of a massacre by the army
in and around the village of

594
00:33:57,360 –> 00:33:59,440
Mozote.
End Quote.

595
00:33:59,960 –> 00:34:02,400
Kids got their throats slit.
I don’t care if there.

596
00:34:02,440 –> 00:34:05,040
Were and then they were hung
afterwards.

597
00:34:05,080 –> 00:34:07,400
I don’t care if they were
fighting with gorillas, you just

598
00:34:07,400 –> 00:34:11,120
take those kids back to some
place and fucking deprogram them

599
00:34:11,120 –> 00:34:13,840
if you need to.
You don’t murder them.

600
00:34:13,960 –> 00:34:15,920
What the fuck?
That’s nuts.

601
00:34:16,280 –> 00:34:19,880
I mean, we’re watching this
right now in real time, but we

602
00:34:19,880 –> 00:34:24,120
have social media that shows us
what’s happening in Gaza.

603
00:34:24,120 –> 00:34:27,719
Russia bombed a hospital in
Ukraine a few days ago.

604
00:34:28,199 –> 00:34:30,800
And it’s the same thing.
It’s white people, so it’s

605
00:34:30,800 –> 00:34:33,400
refugees and it’s a tragedy and
it’s so sad.

606
00:34:33,400 –> 00:34:38,600
But then when Israel did the
same in Gaza, it was like the

607
00:34:38,840 –> 00:34:40,760
just very different wording.
There’s no murder.

608
00:34:40,760 –> 00:34:43,280
There’s no it’s.
Yeah, they worried it like it

609
00:34:43,280 –> 00:34:45,280
was just a spontaneous
combustion.

610
00:34:45,280 –> 00:34:47,600
But when it was Russia, there
was like Russia bombs a

611
00:34:47,600 –> 00:34:49,080
hospital.
For the title.

612
00:34:49,239 –> 00:34:53,480
Now, innocent children, yeah.
Yeah, and now there is no longer

613
00:34:53,480 –> 00:34:54,800
communism.
It’s Hamas.

614
00:34:54,800 –> 00:34:57,000
If this happened now, they would
be like, oh, well, you know that

615
00:34:57,000 –> 00:34:59,120
that was a Hamas scam site.
That’s why it happened.

616
00:34:59,360 –> 00:35:01,720
Yeah.
It’s and it and it’s and a lot

617
00:35:01,720 –> 00:35:05,160
of the media is falling in line
because this is a big ally of

618
00:35:05,160 –> 00:35:08,840
ours and Biden and every you
know, it’s just it’s but I just

619
00:35:08,840 –> 00:35:12,160
I can’t imagine.
Sorry back you lost somebody in

620
00:35:12,160 –> 00:35:14,600
that village and you’re
devastated, right?

621
00:35:14,920 –> 00:35:16,920
The guy who was like, we left
because we didn’t think they’d

622
00:35:16,920 –> 00:35:19,880
kill children, women and old
people and we left and he

623
00:35:19,880 –> 00:35:22,600
survives.
And then he has to also deal

624
00:35:22,600 –> 00:35:25,640
with the fact that now we’re
just going to say it never

625
00:35:25,640 –> 00:35:27,960
happened on top of like grief in
the Guild.

626
00:35:27,960 –> 00:35:32,320
And then you have to also defend
it for the rest of your life

627
00:35:32,320 –> 00:35:34,400
that this this actually
happened.

628
00:35:34,600 –> 00:35:40,200
Yeah, what I find interesting
here is we’re talking about how,

629
00:35:40,200 –> 00:35:43,360
oh, well, there was no social
media, so it took a while for

630
00:35:43,360 –> 00:35:45,400
people to find out.
Yeah.

631
00:35:45,400 –> 00:35:47,880
So what if people did find out?
What was that going to do?

632
00:35:47,880 –> 00:35:50,920
Because like you said, we have
social media now.

633
00:35:51,360 –> 00:35:54,760
We see everything happening in
Palestine.

634
00:35:55,080 –> 00:35:57,040
We see all kinds of shit
happening.

635
00:35:57,120 –> 00:35:59,880
What changes?
Remember all that justice reform

636
00:35:59,880 –> 00:36:03,440
that happened under Biden?
Because we saw all those videos?

637
00:36:03,680 –> 00:36:07,920
No, there wasn’t any.
Would having social media back

638
00:36:07,920 –> 00:36:10,240
when this happened, it wouldn’t
have changed shit.

639
00:36:10,960 –> 00:36:14,640
So accuracy in media.
They continued criticizing

640
00:36:14,640 –> 00:36:17,560
Raymond Bonner throughout the
first half of 1982.

641
00:36:17,760 –> 00:36:22,320
In July of that year, they
dedicate an entire report to him

642
00:36:22,520 –> 00:36:27,760
where they basically call him a
communist agent and talk about

643
00:36:27,760 –> 00:36:31,960
how he worked for Ralph Nader
and was at very least a

644
00:36:31,960 –> 00:36:35,760
communist sympathizer, never
mentioning that he was also in

645
00:36:35,760 –> 00:36:38,000
the Marine Corps in the Vietnam
War.

646
00:36:38,400 –> 00:36:41,520
As this criticism keeps
mounting, the New York Times

647
00:36:41,520 –> 00:36:45,440
eventually just recalls Raymond
Bonner from El Salvador and

648
00:36:45,440 –> 00:36:49,040
basically fires him.
I mean, he left the paper and

649
00:36:49,040 –> 00:36:53,960
quit, but it was because they
pulled him off of this El

650
00:36:53,960 –> 00:36:57,720
Salvador job because they were
buckling to right wing pressure.

651
00:36:57,960 –> 00:36:59,880
It’s not because his story was
incorrect.

652
00:37:00,200 –> 00:37:02,880
It was just the right wingers
and the Reagan administration

653
00:37:03,120 –> 00:37:07,400
were mad about it.
So the New York Times fired a

654
00:37:07,400 –> 00:37:11,120
guy over it, which the paper of
record, ladies and gentlemen.

655
00:37:11,360 –> 00:37:15,240
So Jesus, the Times did deny
that they pulled him for that

656
00:37:15,240 –> 00:37:16,640
reason.
But whatever.

657
00:37:16,880 –> 00:37:20,880
The thing is, no matter why they
pulled him, that sent a message

658
00:37:21,000 –> 00:37:24,640
to everyone else.
I’ll link to a Columbia

659
00:37:24,640 –> 00:37:27,720
Journalism Review article.
They interviewed this reporter

660
00:37:27,720 –> 00:37:30,960
who said that the incident,
quote, left us all aware that

661
00:37:30,960 –> 00:37:34,000
the embassy is quite capable of
playing hardball.

662
00:37:34,240 –> 00:37:37,760
People treat it carefully if
they can kick out the Times

663
00:37:37,760 –> 00:37:40,800
correspondent.
You’ve got to be careful, End

664
00:37:40,800 –> 00:37:42,720
Quote.
And that’s how you crack down on

665
00:37:42,720 –> 00:37:45,440
the media.
You don’t kill every journalist

666
00:37:45,440 –> 00:37:48,360
who reports on something.
You fucking get the guy who

667
00:37:48,360 –> 00:37:52,240
reported on it first fired and
now no one else wants to talk

668
00:37:52,240 –> 00:37:53,120
about it.
Yeah.

669
00:37:53,120 –> 00:37:55,200
And it’s not like he was just
some rogue reporter.

670
00:37:55,200 –> 00:37:59,000
I’m assuming the New York Times
has levels that you go through.

671
00:37:59,000 –> 00:38:02,320
You submitted somebody.
I’m sure a few people had to

672
00:38:02,320 –> 00:38:03,840
report it.
And then they got that call,

673
00:38:03,840 –> 00:38:06,040
like, Nope.
And they like, all right, we end

674
00:38:06,040 –> 00:38:08,920
up proving that anymore.
And it might not, it might not

675
00:38:08,920 –> 00:38:11,440
have even been the government.
It could have just been there.

676
00:38:11,440 –> 00:38:14,560
They, the government had their
three biggest advertisers called

677
00:38:14,560 –> 00:38:17,760
like, hey, we’re going to be
pulling our ads If this guy is

678
00:38:17,760 –> 00:38:20,840
still employed, you know, that’s
where the money is in

679
00:38:20,840 –> 00:38:22,880
advertisement.
Like you said, these big

680
00:38:22,880 –> 00:38:26,680
corporations basically control
our government and that’s what

681
00:38:26,680 –> 00:38:29,520
controls media.
If they pull their ads and

682
00:38:29,520 –> 00:38:33,640
that’s it, you basically just a
Zine or some religious magazine

683
00:38:33,640 –> 00:38:36,880
that weirdo gave you.
Yeah, your fucking podcast on

684
00:38:36,880 –> 00:38:39,080
the Internet at that point.
Right.

685
00:38:39,800 –> 00:38:44,920
So the other reporter, Alma
Guillermo Prieto, wasn’t

686
00:38:45,000 –> 00:38:49,280
attacked quite as hard for her
article, but she thinks it’s

687
00:38:49,280 –> 00:38:51,000
just because the Times was
bigger.

688
00:38:51,160 –> 00:38:54,280
So ruining that guy was just
gonna ruin everyone.

689
00:38:54,440 –> 00:38:57,880
That said, the Reagan
administration did send a letter

690
00:38:57,880 –> 00:39:00,760
to her boss claiming she used to
be employed by a Communist

691
00:39:00,760 –> 00:39:03,480
newspaper in Mexico.
So God.

692
00:39:03,760 –> 00:39:06,600
Just trying to fuck with her.
This is a quote from her.

693
00:39:06,800 –> 00:39:09,920
The price I paid and that all
reporters in El Salvador in

694
00:39:09,920 –> 00:39:13,360
those critical and brutal years
of the war paid was a loss of

695
00:39:13,360 –> 00:39:17,160
confidence in themselves and the
besieged feeling of always

696
00:39:17,160 –> 00:39:20,440
having it be our word against
the State Department.

697
00:39:20,680 –> 00:39:24,600
End Quote.
She also pointed out something

698
00:39:24,600 –> 00:39:27,920
that we’ve already kind of
touched on, that the criticism

699
00:39:27,920 –> 00:39:31,840
around what was happening in El
Salvador eventually stopped

700
00:39:31,840 –> 00:39:34,400
being, well, no, there’s no
evidence of what you’re talking

701
00:39:34,400 –> 00:39:36,800
about.
And it just became, oh, you’re a

702
00:39:36,800 –> 00:39:41,280
leftist sympathizer if you say
what we’re doing in El Salvador

703
00:39:41,280 –> 00:39:43,720
is wrong.
And boy, does that sound

704
00:39:43,960 –> 00:39:45,640
familiar.
I was right.

705
00:39:45,920 –> 00:39:49,400
Yeah, exactly.
That’s sounds like a tactic

706
00:39:49,480 –> 00:39:51,800
maybe.
This reminds me a lot of the

707
00:39:51,800 –> 00:39:55,480
Gary Webb story.
Gary Webb is the reporter who

708
00:39:55,680 –> 00:40:00,080
broke the story that the CIA
essentially started the crack

709
00:40:00,120 –> 00:40:02,760
epidemic in the United States.
This.

710
00:40:03,040 –> 00:40:06,320
That we’re talking about today,
El Mazzottay also falls under

711
00:40:06,320 –> 00:40:09,440
the umbrella of the Iran Contra
affair.

712
00:40:09,720 –> 00:40:12,960
So did them selling crack.
That’s where that emanates from.

713
00:40:13,200 –> 00:40:17,800
And what’s really sad about Gary
Webb is when that story came

714
00:40:17,800 –> 00:40:23,160
out, instead of the New York
Times and the LA Times looking

715
00:40:23,160 –> 00:40:28,120
into the facts behind his
claims, they started attacking

716
00:40:28,120 –> 00:40:33,640
him as a reporter and saying
stuff like, well, here he says

717
00:40:33,640 –> 00:40:35,800
they sold a lot of crack and it
wasn’t a lot.

718
00:40:35,920 –> 00:40:41,920
It’s like, OK, so so you think
it wasn’t as the CIA didn’t sell

719
00:40:41,920 –> 00:40:46,000
as much crack as he said.
So now this story is bullshit.

720
00:40:46,160 –> 00:40:48,760
It made no sense the way they
attacked it.

721
00:40:48,960 –> 00:40:53,520
But they attacked him hard
enough that to this day a lot of

722
00:40:53,520 –> 00:40:55,360
people think that story was
debunked.

723
00:40:55,360 –> 00:40:59,000
It wasn’t fucking debunked, they
just attacked him as a writer.

724
00:40:59,280 –> 00:41:03,360
And I mean, The thing is, most
white Americans inherently want

725
00:41:03,360 –> 00:41:07,960
to believe in the United States
as a land of the free and stuff.

726
00:41:07,960 –> 00:41:10,800
So they’re looking for
confirmation bias.

727
00:41:10,800 –> 00:41:12,840
It’s similar to when you talk to
a cult member.

728
00:41:12,840 –> 00:41:16,680
You I tell people all the time,
you can’t reason with somebody

729
00:41:16,680 –> 00:41:19,640
that based their life off of
emotions instead of facts.

730
00:41:19,640 –> 00:41:22,240
So you know, you’re not going to
out fact somebody when they’re

731
00:41:22,520 –> 00:41:24,320
basing their life off of
emotions.

732
00:41:24,320 –> 00:41:26,840
And that’s what happens with a
lot of these stories.

733
00:41:26,840 –> 00:41:28,440
People aren’t really looking for
a proof.

734
00:41:28,440 –> 00:41:31,720
They like, oh, we’ll see.
That company that’s been around

735
00:41:31,720 –> 00:41:34,800
for 100 years said that’s a, you
know, it mustn’t be true what

736
00:41:34,800 –> 00:41:37,560
they said.
Yeah, I think people for the

737
00:41:37,560 –> 00:41:40,880
most part, you know, in their
opinions, they’re like, well, I

738
00:41:40,880 –> 00:41:42,880
believe that.
And sort of the six other people

739
00:41:42,880 –> 00:41:45,560
that believe exactly what I
believe, and I’m not going to

740
00:41:45,560 –> 00:41:48,920
look in any deeper than that, I
got these six people who are

741
00:41:48,920 –> 00:41:51,560
also not very educated.
They agree with me as well.

742
00:41:51,560 –> 00:41:55,120
So this must be fact, but it’s
also like people believing that

743
00:41:55,120 –> 00:41:57,640
America is, you know, the land
of the free.

744
00:41:57,640 –> 00:41:59,760
So great.
A lot of these people that’s

745
00:41:59,760 –> 00:42:02,760
like their identity and being
told something that you believed

746
00:42:02,760 –> 00:42:05,600
your entire life that is like to
the you’re in your blood.

747
00:42:05,920 –> 00:42:08,760
Most people can’t handle that.
They would rather deny, deny,

748
00:42:08,760 –> 00:42:11,600
call you a liar, say this, you
know, make up something to just

749
00:42:11,800 –> 00:42:15,120
turn around and face the fact
that we’re not that free.

750
00:42:15,200 –> 00:42:19,080
Yeah, the mainstream media
outlets leaning on government

751
00:42:19,080 –> 00:42:21,600
access the way they do is bad
for us.

752
00:42:21,760 –> 00:42:26,640
It’s really bad for us, and it
has gone a long way toward

753
00:42:26,640 –> 00:42:31,680
fostering this line of thinking
where, OK, you said the

754
00:42:31,680 –> 00:42:34,040
government did this.
Well, The New York Times asked

755
00:42:34,040 –> 00:42:35,720
the government, and the
government said they didn’t.

756
00:42:35,720 –> 00:42:37,880
So you’re a conspiracy theorist
now.

757
00:42:38,080 –> 00:42:39,680
That is, that’s.
A dumb opinion.

758
00:42:40,160 –> 00:42:44,680
That is one of the most
effective propaganda campaigns

759
00:42:44,720 –> 00:42:49,600
of all time because we really
have hit that point where even

760
00:42:49,600 –> 00:42:53,200
people who, you know, even
during the Trump administration,

761
00:42:53,200 –> 00:42:58,440
people you know, who don’t trust
Donald Trump, just put the word

762
00:42:58,440 –> 00:43:02,000
conspiracy in front of anything
the government did while Trump

763
00:43:02,000 –> 00:43:04,160
was in office.
And those same people will be

764
00:43:04,160 –> 00:43:06,880
like, that’s a conspiracy.
But I don’t deal in

765
00:43:07,200 –> 00:43:09,680
conspiracies.
They usually add the word right

766
00:43:09,680 –> 00:43:11,760
wing in front of it.
No matter what you’re talking

767
00:43:11,760 –> 00:43:14,640
about, every conspiracy is a
right wing conspiracy.

768
00:43:14,840 –> 00:43:17,840
And at some point, we have to
get it through our heads that

769
00:43:17,840 –> 00:43:20,680
government dissent and
questioning the government

770
00:43:20,720 –> 00:43:23,720
doesn’t make you a conspiracy
theorist, makes you a fucking

771
00:43:23,720 –> 00:43:25,960
American.
It’s what you’re supposed to do.

772
00:43:26,880 –> 00:43:29,840
Exactly, That’s like what the
whole civil rights movement was

773
00:43:29,840 –> 00:43:33,760
questioning the government or
you know, saying that y’all say

774
00:43:33,760 –> 00:43:36,640
these things to be true but look
at how y’all moving, you know?

775
00:43:37,160 –> 00:43:41,680
Yeah, and on top of being
disgusting racists and bigots,

776
00:43:41,880 –> 00:43:45,280
one of the biggest
disappointments about these

777
00:43:45,280 –> 00:43:48,920
right wingers that we saw in the
90s who were like, get your

778
00:43:48,920 –> 00:43:51,640
guns, the government is coming.
They were just waiting for the

779
00:43:51,640 –> 00:43:54,760
right fucking government boot to
lick and they found it.

780
00:43:54,880 –> 00:43:58,040
And it’s Trump.
So that was a whole fucking scam

781
00:43:58,040 –> 00:44:00,040
too.
They were never gonna overthrow

782
00:44:00,040 –> 00:44:02,040
the government.
They just want the right

783
00:44:02,040 –> 00:44:04,040
president to fucking worship.
It’s like.

784
00:44:04,360 –> 00:44:07,000
Which is so embarrassing.
I’ve never thought about Trump

785
00:44:07,040 –> 00:44:09,040
ever until he became president.
You know what I mean?

786
00:44:09,040 –> 00:44:11,440
Like you’d see him on TV home
alone.

787
00:44:11,440 –> 00:44:14,440
I never thought any.
But it, it’s just, it’s an it’s,

788
00:44:14,960 –> 00:44:17,320
it’s dangerous and it’s awful,
don’t get me wrong, but it’s

789
00:44:17,320 –> 00:44:20,200
also kind of embarrassing.
But that’s your guy.

790
00:44:20,240 –> 00:44:22,560
That guy.
Yeah, it’s why.

791
00:44:22,560 –> 00:44:24,000
Poopy Don?
What do they call him?

792
00:44:24,000 –> 00:44:25,040
Diaper Don?
That’s.

793
00:44:25,920 –> 00:44:28,720
Putin, Don.
Oh, he poops his pants.

794
00:44:28,720 –> 00:44:30,360
Oh, Putin Don.
Yeah, I guess he poops his

795
00:44:30,360 –> 00:44:31,720
pants.
He always wears a diaper.

796
00:44:32,280 –> 00:44:34,240
Trump was that Donald Trump?
It was some story.

797
00:44:34,240 –> 00:44:37,640
I don’t think it got too big was
that him or wanted somebody else

798
00:44:37,640 –> 00:44:39,920
in his cabinet.
They Oh no, that’s putting Ron

799
00:44:39,920 –> 00:44:44,280
to Sanchez some story about he
couldn’t find some spoon on the

800
00:44:44,280 –> 00:44:46,040
plane.
He just started eating pudding

801
00:44:46,040 –> 00:44:51,280
with his hand like a chair or
something where I heard.

802
00:44:51,880 –> 00:44:54,360
Yeah, you can’t be president if
you’re doing that.

803
00:44:54,800 –> 00:44:56,320
That’s.
Like fucking I.

804
00:44:56,320 –> 00:45:00,800
Think it was putting Ron.
Or also, didn’t he know the

805
00:45:00,800 –> 00:45:02,400
thing that we all learned in
grade school?

806
00:45:02,400 –> 00:45:04,560
You used the lid as your spoon?
Yeah.

807
00:45:04,560 –> 00:45:07,000
Why did Ron not use his lid for
his pudding?

808
00:45:07,000 –> 00:45:09,960
Why did he use his hands?
Probably thought it was gay or

809
00:45:09,960 –> 00:45:12,600
something.
You can’t eat at everybody’s

810
00:45:12,600 –> 00:45:13,600
house.
That’s it.

811
00:45:13,720 –> 00:45:17,960
Don’t you just yuck.
So one of the other things these

812
00:45:17,960 –> 00:45:21,480
journalists had working against
them is the details of this

813
00:45:21,480 –> 00:45:26,080
story sound like movie shit.
It sounds incredible.

814
00:45:26,320 –> 00:45:30,480
And that was the response a lot
of people had was OK, so you

815
00:45:30,480 –> 00:45:34,240
just believed this one witness
who told you this thing happened

816
00:45:34,240 –> 00:45:37,520
and they’re like, you read where
I saw charred skulls and stuff,

817
00:45:37,520 –> 00:45:40,360
right?
But if anyone out there, I don’t

818
00:45:40,360 –> 00:45:43,600
know any right wingers listening
to this are like, I’m still

819
00:45:43,600 –> 00:45:47,640
unconvinced.
In 1992, when the Salvadoran

820
00:45:47,640 –> 00:45:51,120
civil war finally came to an
end, part of the peace treaty

821
00:45:51,120 –> 00:45:57,600
involved sending a team of
anthropologists to Mozote to

822
00:45:57,600 –> 00:46:03,560
exhume bodies and see, was it a
shootout between two groups, or

823
00:46:03,760 –> 00:46:08,200
were these two writers correct?
And of course, there was number

824
00:46:08,200 –> 00:46:10,560
shootout.
Everything they reported

825
00:46:10,840 –> 00:46:13,400
happened.
This amount of people, they said

826
00:46:13,400 –> 00:46:16,640
died, died.
They exhumed the bodies.

827
00:46:16,640 –> 00:46:20,840
They were able to determine how
they died, and it was as brutal

828
00:46:20,840 –> 00:46:24,640
as described.
So all of this shit has been

829
00:46:24,880 –> 00:46:29,040
confirmed.
And of course, the Salvadoran

830
00:46:29,040 –> 00:46:32,280
minister of defense informed a
truth Commission that was

831
00:46:32,280 –> 00:46:35,200
eventually set up to investigate
that, uh oh.

832
00:46:35,200 –> 00:46:38,800
They had no records of what
soldiers from this battalion

833
00:46:38,800 –> 00:46:41,080
were involved.
So because this battalion

834
00:46:41,080 –> 00:46:44,960
carried on until 1992, it was
dissolved when the civil war

835
00:46:45,000 –> 00:46:48,840
ended, and it was one of the
most again, elite and

836
00:46:48,840 –> 00:46:53,160
prestigious units within this
side of the El Salvador

837
00:46:53,320 –> 00:46:56,160
military, which again we trained
him.

838
00:46:56,400 –> 00:47:01,080
In 2016, a judge named Jorge
Guzman reopened a judicial

839
00:47:01,080 –> 00:47:06,640
inquiry into the massacre, which
sounds like progress, but as we

840
00:47:06,640 –> 00:47:13,720
speak, the country is ruled by a
dictator named Naive Bukele.

841
00:47:13,840 –> 00:47:17,640
We actually did an episode of
the Unpopular Opinion podcast

842
00:47:17,880 –> 00:47:20,760
about him because he calls
himself the world’s coolest

843
00:47:20,760 –> 00:47:23,320
dictator.
He really leans into the

844
00:47:23,320 –> 00:47:28,720
dictator shit.
He was very opposed to reopening

845
00:47:29,200 –> 00:47:31,600
this judicial inquiry because
he’s on the side of the

846
00:47:31,600 –> 00:47:34,680
government that did it.
He’s on the side that let’s why

847
00:47:34,680 –> 00:47:38,440
we’re not mad at them because
he’s a dictator that is still

848
00:47:38,440 –> 00:47:42,880
beholden to us.
And so it seemed like this was

849
00:47:42,880 –> 00:47:46,320
going to end in maybe some sort
of justice.

850
00:47:46,520 –> 00:47:49,320
They reopen the inquiry in April
2021.

851
00:47:49,680 –> 00:47:54,080
Someone testifies in front of
that inquiry and breaks the news

852
00:47:54,080 –> 00:47:58,280
that U.S. military advisor Alan
Bruce Hazelwood was most likely

853
00:47:58,280 –> 00:48:00,320
present when the massacre
happened.

854
00:48:00,320 –> 00:48:03,160
So it’s not just that we trained
these motherfuckers.

855
00:48:03,160 –> 00:48:05,680
We were there to watch them do
this.

856
00:48:05,960 –> 00:48:08,160
So they’re making progress,
making progress.

857
00:48:08,360 –> 00:48:14,120
And then that inquiry ended when
Naive Bukele issued a law that

858
00:48:14,120 –> 00:48:17,000
any judge over the age of 60 had
to retire.

859
00:48:17,160 –> 00:48:20,560
And the judge looking into this
was 61.

860
00:48:20,720 –> 00:48:25,440
And they think that’s why he
wrote that law was just to end

861
00:48:25,640 –> 00:48:29,080
this inquiry, and it put
hundreds of people out of work.

862
00:48:29,400 –> 00:48:31,240
There’s sixty day.
I feel like that’s some we can

863
00:48:31,240 –> 00:48:33,600
make work over here, even the
host news for evil.

864
00:48:33,600 –> 00:48:36,720
We should probably incorporate
that in our politics in America.

865
00:48:37,160 –> 00:48:39,960
Yeah, like the reason he did it.
Isn’t people were excited.

866
00:48:40,600 –> 00:48:44,080
Yeah, the reason he did it isn’t
great, but I was like, I mean,

867
00:48:44,200 –> 00:48:47,000
yeah, yes.
You’re a little bit too out of

868
00:48:47,000 –> 00:48:48,880
touch.
Should be affecting people lives

869
00:48:48,920 –> 00:48:51,800
at 60 years old.
Yeah, it’s like when right

870
00:48:51,800 –> 00:48:55,920
wingers are like defund the FBI.
I’m like, yeah, but not for the

871
00:48:55,920 –> 00:48:58,640
reasons you want.
Like you just want to replace

872
00:48:58,640 –> 00:49:00,720
them with a right wing FBI
probably.

873
00:49:01,680 –> 00:49:05,440
So, yeah, I had a bunch of stuff
in the notes here about MS13,

874
00:49:05,440 –> 00:49:10,040
but I talked about that up top.
But again, this is how MS13

875
00:49:10,040 –> 00:49:12,280
started.
This is a big part of how the

876
00:49:12,320 –> 00:49:16,880
immigration crisis in general in
this country started was us

877
00:49:16,880 –> 00:49:20,080
going into Latin American
countries either overthrowing

878
00:49:20,080 –> 00:49:23,240
their governments or putting
down movements that were trying

879
00:49:23,240 –> 00:49:26,600
to overthrow the government and
making it such a dangerous place

880
00:49:26,600 –> 00:49:31,960
to be that people were willing
to now send their kids alone on

881
00:49:31,960 –> 00:49:36,240
foot to try and make it here.
You don’t do that if things are

882
00:49:36,640 –> 00:49:39,440
mostly chill.
It’s not Oakland down there.

883
00:49:39,440 –> 00:49:41,760
It’s not just people are getting
their cars broken into.

884
00:49:42,240 –> 00:49:47,160
Like this is fucking real
goddamn peril that people are

885
00:49:47,160 –> 00:49:51,520
fleeing and we treat them like
they are freeloaders coming to

886
00:49:51,520 –> 00:49:54,840
this country because we’re so
free and rich and meanwhile

887
00:49:54,840 –> 00:50:00,000
we’re all broke and oppressed.
And also we like we somehow

888
00:50:00,040 –> 00:50:04,000
figured out how to make half of
us blame these people that are

889
00:50:04,080 –> 00:50:05,720
trying to come over here for a
better life.

890
00:50:05,720 –> 00:50:08,600
I’m really, a lot of times I’m
very grateful I don’t really

891
00:50:08,600 –> 00:50:11,360
have parents cuz all my friends
are dealing with their parents

892
00:50:11,360 –> 00:50:14,400
who’ve suddenly have just become
very Trumpy liberals their whole

893
00:50:14,400 –> 00:50:15,000
life.
And now.

894
00:50:15,000 –> 00:50:16,720
And I was with my friend’s mom
the other day.

895
00:50:16,720 –> 00:50:18,080
I was helping her with
something.

896
00:50:18,080 –> 00:50:22,440
And I’d met her one other time
before this and we’d spend 1/2

897
00:50:22,440 –> 00:50:26,560
hour together and she mentioned
the illegals four times.

898
00:50:26,840 –> 00:50:30,480
And I was just like, great, so
do you want to finish this thing

899
00:50:30,480 –> 00:50:33,680
I came over to help you with or?
And she was just like, well, I’m

900
00:50:33,680 –> 00:50:35,200
struggling.
And they come over here and

901
00:50:35,200 –> 00:50:37,960
they’re handed everything they
need on a silver platter.

902
00:50:37,960 –> 00:50:41,360
And I was like, I know you
really want to talk about this,

903
00:50:41,800 –> 00:50:44,520
but I wouldn’t be able to get
out of a lineup in two weeks, so

904
00:50:44,520 –> 00:50:46,000
I’m not.
But there’s a machine that has

905
00:50:46,040 –> 00:50:50,240
gotten people to really believe
and vote against this when it’s

906
00:50:50,400 –> 00:50:54,480
simply not true.
That and it’s so many myths

907
00:50:54,480 –> 00:50:57,240
about black people.
A lot of states have before

908
00:50:57,240 –> 00:50:59,120
Trump were voting out
affirmative action.

909
00:50:59,120 –> 00:51:01,920
But like one of the mass
shooters, I can’t keep up with

910
00:51:01,920 –> 00:51:04,000
him.
In his manifesto, he said he was

911
00:51:04,000 –> 00:51:09,560
angry that because he heard that
black people get like $75,000

912
00:51:09,560 –> 00:51:11,000
from the government for
something.

913
00:51:11,000 –> 00:51:14,000
And all of this stuff is like
how they voted.

914
00:51:14,360 –> 00:51:16,800
What state?
I think Harvard has some lawsuit

915
00:51:16,800 –> 00:51:19,600
or something because some kid
didn’t get into college because

916
00:51:19,600 –> 00:51:21,920
he thought it was black people.
And they were like, no, man, you

917
00:51:21,920 –> 00:51:25,720
didn’t get in because all of
these legacies got in above you.

918
00:51:25,720 –> 00:51:28,080
But yeah, it’s been going on
forever.

919
00:51:28,080 –> 00:51:30,320
And now, you know, immigrants
are just a new target.

920
00:51:30,320 –> 00:51:35,400
It’s America has been able to
convince its citizens to blame

921
00:51:35,400 –> 00:51:37,920
each other instead of the
government for not doing its

922
00:51:37,920 –> 00:51:40,560
job.
Oh yeah, that’s some theories on

923
00:51:40,560 –> 00:51:42,680
why Martin Luther King was
assassinated.

924
00:51:42,680 –> 00:51:45,240
He was able to get poor white
people and poor black people to

925
00:51:45,240 –> 00:51:48,920
unite and be like, Oh yeah, the
government’s fucking us.

926
00:51:48,920 –> 00:51:51,800
And there’s theories on that’s
why they took him out is because

927
00:51:51,800 –> 00:51:53,600
he was actually able to unite
people.

928
00:51:53,600 –> 00:51:54,840
I don’t.
Think that’s a theory.

929
00:51:56,360 –> 00:51:58,480
That’s that’s what Cohen tell us
about.

930
00:51:58,600 –> 00:52:02,120
That that’s more also, that’s
more what, why what got Fred

931
00:52:02,120 –> 00:52:04,040
Hampton killed?
He was starting the Rainbow

932
00:52:04,040 –> 00:52:06,600
Coalition.
The reason they killed Martin

933
00:52:06,600 –> 00:52:11,040
Luther King is he was realizing
more that socialism, he was

934
00:52:11,040 –> 00:52:16,320
going more radical left.
One of his last speeches was, I

935
00:52:16,320 –> 00:52:18,480
forget the name of it, but you
can pull it up on YouTube.

936
00:52:18,480 –> 00:52:21,680
He was actually becoming more
socialist and getting close to

937
00:52:21,680 –> 00:52:24,600
the word Malcolm was teaching.
And you know, if you go off of

938
00:52:24,600 –> 00:52:27,680
the what the media says, Malcolm
was just super radical.

939
00:52:27,680 –> 00:52:30,400
But it wasn’t like that.
But yeah, that’s why they killed

940
00:52:30,560 –> 00:52:33,440
Martin Luther King, because he
was, he was getting closer.

941
00:52:33,640 –> 00:52:36,360
He said something like, I’ll
I’ve LED my people into a

942
00:52:36,840 –> 00:52:38,440
burning building or something
like that.

943
00:52:38,440 –> 00:52:40,800
But yeah, man, America is a it’s
a motherfucker.

944
00:52:41,320 –> 00:52:43,240
The way they just manipulate
images.

945
00:52:43,480 –> 00:52:45,560
Yeah.
And how people just believe it

946
00:52:45,960 –> 00:52:49,800
and they’re just, they just.
Yeah, it’s easier.

947
00:52:49,960 –> 00:52:53,520
It’s easier to just believe the
government is good.

948
00:52:54,320 –> 00:52:57,920
The government.
Yeah, but I’d rather be mad all

949
00:52:57,920 –> 00:53:00,080
the time, you know what I mean?
I’m glad that’s.

950
00:53:00,320 –> 00:53:02,480
The road I’ve taken for sure.
Ignorant.

951
00:53:02,840 –> 00:53:04,240
Yeah.
Yeah, so.

952
00:53:04,600 –> 00:53:09,920
That’s the Mozote massacre.
It is a thing that people will

953
00:53:09,920 –> 00:53:14,320
never be taken to task for.
There I don’t think is ever

954
00:53:14,320 –> 00:53:19,000
going to be any sense of justice
when it comes to this,

955
00:53:19,000 –> 00:53:22,800
especially now that that inquiry
that had been going since 2016

956
00:53:23,000 –> 00:53:26,640
is essentially shut down.
And that’s the Reagan

957
00:53:26,640 –> 00:53:29,720
administration.
We’re doing a bonus episode next

958
00:53:29,720 –> 00:53:33,720
week where we’re going to go
through a bunch of other lesser

959
00:53:33,720 –> 00:53:38,440
known Reagan scandals in a
little more rapid fire

960
00:53:38,440 –> 00:53:41,240
succession because we got a lot
to get through the HUD rigging

961
00:53:41,240 –> 00:53:43,520
scandal.
That was an interesting one.

962
00:53:43,680 –> 00:53:46,520
There’s so many, God damn.
My God, I don’t.

963
00:53:46,600 –> 00:53:50,320
Think is that housing right or
is that housing Urban

964
00:53:50,320 –> 00:53:53,000
Development or something like?
That Yep, that was a bribery

965
00:53:53,000 –> 00:53:58,800
scandal where somehow they were
allocating HUD money in a way

966
00:53:58,800 –> 00:54:02,000
that benefited people who were
friendly with the Reagan

967
00:54:02,040 –> 00:54:05,440
campaign, which I’m surprised
anyone got in trouble for that

968
00:54:05,440 –> 00:54:08,760
because that’s the kind of thing
like diverting money from poor

969
00:54:08,760 –> 00:54:11,520
people doesn’t usually get you
sent to jail.

970
00:54:11,680 –> 00:54:14,480
Just ask Brett Favre.
There’s right?

971
00:54:15,360 –> 00:54:17,920
Yeah, like guys.
What’s crazy about that?

972
00:54:18,040 –> 00:54:21,640
I’ll probably bring it up on a
local news roundup episode at

973
00:54:21,640 –> 00:54:26,120
some point in the future, but
someone was finally arrested in

974
00:54:26,320 –> 00:54:31,280
the Mississippi welfare fraud
thing, and it was the reporter

975
00:54:31,320 –> 00:54:36,400
who broke the story because she
refused to name her sources when

976
00:54:36,520 –> 00:54:40,640
the governor ordered her to.
So rest easy, America, there’s

977
00:54:40,640 –> 00:54:43,800
been an arrest in that.
Oh my God.

978
00:54:43,920 –> 00:54:46,880
Yeah, that’s fucking.
The only amendment that we care

979
00:54:46,880 –> 00:54:50,400
about is the second one, cause
like the freedom of the press is

980
00:54:50,400 –> 00:54:53,200
a pretty big one.
And that’s a big thing we’re

981
00:54:53,200 –> 00:54:55,720
taught is that press don’t have,
doesn’t have to give up their

982
00:54:55,720 –> 00:54:58,520
sources to protect sources.
So they’ll report the news.

983
00:54:59,080 –> 00:55:01,280
Unless you’re right wing,
governor wants you to, then

984
00:55:01,600 –> 00:55:02,480
yeah, to.
Yeah.

985
00:55:02,960 –> 00:55:06,480
So that’s our episode.
We’ll have more Reagan

986
00:55:06,480 –> 00:55:10,920
shenanigans to come this month.
Hopefully it’s not all this sad,

987
00:55:10,920 –> 00:55:13,200
but probably.
I don’t feel like there’s gonna

988
00:55:13,200 –> 00:55:16,520
be any good stuff that Reagan.
I don’t remember any.

989
00:55:16,840 –> 00:55:17,760
Yeah.
He would have.

990
00:55:17,760 –> 00:55:19,320
Had he said that was?
Good.

991
00:55:19,320 –> 00:55:21,960
I mean, we could talk about that
creepy Genesis video where he

992
00:55:21,960 –> 00:55:23,880
was a puppet in it.
That was fun.

993
00:55:23,880 –> 00:55:26,120
Land of confusion, no.
I don’t know what that’s about,

994
00:55:26,120 –> 00:55:28,880
but I would like to learn more.
That seems weird.

995
00:55:28,880 –> 00:55:30,520
The Land of Confusion by
Genesis.

996
00:55:30,520 –> 00:55:34,840
It was a creepy ass video.
So hey Kim, John, thank you both

997
00:55:35,120 –> 00:55:36,960
for doing the pod.
Thank you.

998
00:55:37,720 –> 00:55:40,280
What do we have to plug before
we get out of here ’cause this

999
00:55:40,280 –> 00:55:42,440
feels like a great time to plug
stuff.

1000
00:55:42,680 –> 00:55:46,840
Adam toddbrown.substack.com, you
can go read my writings.

1001
00:55:46,840 –> 00:55:50,000
I do a solo podcast called In
Broad Daylight that you can

1002
00:55:50,000 –> 00:55:52,640
listen to there.
That’s also a video podcast.

1003
00:55:52,640 –> 00:55:55,680
So there’s like pictures that
pop up on the screen, things

1004
00:55:55,680 –> 00:55:57,840
that the like, there’s only
three episodes.

1005
00:55:57,840 –> 00:56:00,040
It’s been fun so far.
Go watch it.

1006
00:56:00,040 –> 00:56:01,400
Give me a reason to keep doing
it.

1007
00:56:01,640 –> 00:56:03,800
And that’s it.
Cam, what do you got to plug?

1008
00:56:04,200 –> 00:56:07,360
It always feels so weird to plug
anything after a bummer.

1009
00:56:07,480 –> 00:56:11,120
Oh really?
Well, listen to my podcast.

1010
00:56:12,280 –> 00:56:16,360
But yeah.
Kim Kral KYMKRAL Crawl space.

1011
00:56:16,360 –> 00:56:19,560
Every Wednesday I wrote a book,
Confessions of a recovering

1012
00:56:19,560 –> 00:56:22,440
Party Girl.
I’m putting some of my podcast

1013
00:56:22,440 –> 00:56:25,320
clips on TikTok so follow me
there too if you’d like.

1014
00:56:25,520 –> 00:56:28,840
John, what do you got to put?
Well, as usual, search my name

1015
00:56:28,840 –> 00:56:31,680
on YouTube because it’s only
it’s built that way so that

1016
00:56:31,680 –> 00:56:34,080
people can find me and not the
civil rights activist John

1017
00:56:34,080 –> 00:56:36,760
Lewis.
Because my video essays take so

1018
00:56:36,840 –> 00:56:38,560
long to write, like two to four
weeks.

1019
00:56:38,600 –> 00:56:42,520
I just launched a solo podcast
that I’m putting on my second

1020
00:56:42,520 –> 00:56:45,480
channel, but if you follow my
main when you’ll see it, it’s

1021
00:56:45,480 –> 00:56:48,720
called Retro Rewind.
What I’m doing is going back and

1022
00:56:48,720 –> 00:56:52,360
listening to albums that are
minimum 15 years old with

1023
00:56:52,360 –> 00:56:55,040
hindsight to see how well they
age, and then pulling up

1024
00:56:55,040 –> 00:56:57,280
Pitchfork reviews and reading
those.

1025
00:56:57,280 –> 00:56:59,760
I wanted to do the source
reviews but apparently they

1026
00:56:59,760 –> 00:57:03,320
didn’t archive their reviews.
If anyone knows how to find

1027
00:57:03,320 –> 00:57:05,960
those reviews online let me
know.

1028
00:57:05,960 –> 00:57:08,200
I search.
The Wayback Machine is pretty

1029
00:57:08,200 –> 00:57:10,000
impossible.
Oh, that’s crazy.

1030
00:57:10,320 –> 00:57:13,240
I dropped two episodes.
On my second one, I did Jay-Z,

1031
00:57:13,240 –> 00:57:17,000
The Black Album and then Lupe
Fiasco’s Food and liquor.

1032
00:57:17,360 –> 00:57:19,760
So it’s pretty interesting, you
know, listening to these albums

1033
00:57:19,760 –> 00:57:22,720
just because, especially hip
hop, I say in these 15 years,

1034
00:57:22,720 –> 00:57:26,240
because that’s how long it takes
the sound to really change.

1035
00:57:26,280 –> 00:57:29,200
And you can go back and listen
and see how things sound with

1036
00:57:29,200 –> 00:57:31,640
fresh ears.
And was it just hot then or is

1037
00:57:31,640 –> 00:57:32,520
it still hot?
No.

1038
00:57:32,720 –> 00:57:35,200
Yeah, that sounds interesting.
People should check that out.

1039
00:57:35,640 –> 00:57:38,160
And I think that’s it.
Let’s get the fuck out of here.

1040
00:57:38,160 –> 00:57:40,240
Kim say goodbye.
Goodbye everybody.

1041
00:57:40,480 –> 00:57:43,640
John, say goodbye.
Stay woke y’all, but not the new

1042
00:57:43,640 –> 00:57:46,920
way America bastardized it.
The pre Trump era woke.

1043
00:57:48,160 –> 00:57:57,440
Goodbye everybody, we love you.
People of Earth, your planet has

1044
00:57:57,480 –> 00:58:10,160
to be destroyed.
Your planet has to be destroyed.