Adam and Connor discuss the recently released Ronald Reagan biopic and how it completely glosses over that administration’s disgusting reaction to the AIDS epidemic.
Show notes: https://conspirapod.link/ep296
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Welcome to Conspiracy The Show,
the world’s most trusted
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conspiracy theory podcast, with
your hosts Adam Todd Brown and
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Olivia Hydar.
Hey everybody, welcome to
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Conspiracy the Show.
I’m your host Adam Todd Brown
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joining me as Co host this week,
Connor Mcspaddens here.
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How’s it going?
Hello Chums.
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Are you excited to talk about
Ronald Reagan again?
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You know, Adam, when you told me
that we were going to be
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discussing Ronald Reagan in the
AIDS crisis, I thought, who
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better than two straight white
men to get to the bottom of
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this?
Because who better than the
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people that perpetrated it to
get into the minds of the
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villains behind the scandal?
Yeah, we’re covering this in the
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exact same way the Reagan
administration did.
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Only the opinions of straight
white dudes.
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That’s.
And I’m bringing a perspective
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that only the man with the white
devil whispering on his shoulder
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can bring you.
Yeah, that’s no put any of the
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great black capitalists of
history.
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No disrespect to Herman Cain and
the like, but sometimes
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oppression, obfuscation, it’s a
white man’s job.
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Let’s be.
Honest.
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Yeah.
We don’t want to put anyone else
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out.
This is our job.
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No.
Last time Connor was on, I know
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we said we were going to keep
talking about the Iran Contra
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scandal and we’ll probably get
back to that.
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Oh, but the Gipper was just too
busy, wasn’t he?
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Adam Yeah.
I was thinking before we logged
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on, nothing sounds more like
obscure gay slang that I haven’t
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heard of than Gipper or gipping.
If I didn’t know that docking
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was called docking and you told
me it was called gipping, I’d be
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like, yeah, for sure.
I want to talk about Reagan and
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the AIDS crisis because I went
through a personal trauma last
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week in that I had to go see the
Reagan movie opening day for a
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podcast and I ended up watching
it with a crowd full of 80 plus
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year old Republicans who were
hooting and hollering like
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tweens at a Taylor Swift
concert.
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It was fucking gross.
I hated it.
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This sounds like a complete
nightmare.
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The hagiographies of anything.
I’m sure if you watch the
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Hillary Clinton Hulu series
screening at the Pasadena Civic
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Center or whatever the fuck with
a bunch of Democrat the blue
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bloods, it would be absolutely
ghastly as well.
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You need a anchor in your irony
universe.
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I wouldn’t saw the movie No Safe
Spaces, which is made by the
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Titan mind duo of Dennis Prager
and Adam Corolla, which was
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essentially you get off my lawn.
You can’t say nothing, no more
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than motion picture.
And it was a blast because we
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got stoned as fucking.
There was three people there,
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and two of them were me and my
buddy Ramsey.
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Now, without that, it’s just a
reminder of how awful the world
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is, or how you know the limited
people’s perspectives are and
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how alone you are and
everything.
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So yeah, it’s creepy as fuck.
It’s like being in a horror
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movie.
Yeah, it was alarming.
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And it turned into kind of a
shouting match where every once
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in a while they would cheer for
something, and then something
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factually inaccurate would
happen, and I would shout at the
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crowd.
At one point, they were talking
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about Reagan trading hostages
for arms.
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And it said, but he didn’t do
it.
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And I just shouted out, yeah, he
did.
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And there was also a moment
where Reagan and Gorbachev were
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signing the SALT treaty, and
they, like, leaned in to shake
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hands.
And I just went kiss.
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Good, good, good times.
But that movie have you ever
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seen?
I know this is the obvious
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comparison, but I’m going to
make it anyway.
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Have you seen the Tupac movie
All Eyes on Me?
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The obvious comparison to the
new Ronald Reagan movie is, of
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course, the Tupac movie.
No, I haven’t, actually, I’m
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ashamed to say.
It is garbage.
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It is essentially a Wikipedia
page about Tupac because.
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Oh no.
They try to get every fucking
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thing that happened in his life
in this 90 minute span.
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It’s like we got the six white
people who work at this channel
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to tell us everything they know
about Tupac.
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Yeah.
And what ends up happening is
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they just gloss over everything.
Like I would watch a whole movie
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about Tupac getting shot in that
recording studio in New York.
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Oh yeah.
I’ve looked into that one a lot
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and it just seems to be just a
giant awful, awful
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misunderstanding.
Kind of, yeah.
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This Reagan movie is a lot like
that, in that they gloss over
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pretty much everything
Wikipedia.
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Page the movie.
It really is, but it’s more than
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that.
It’s propaganda.
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For one thing, this is just
state propaganda.
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Reagan and Gorbachev totally
kissed.
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Don’t believe the lies.
And I’ve tweeted this, I said it
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on a podcast last week.
The Reagan movie is UN American
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as fuck.
Because running throughout the
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whole movie is these constant
suggestions that protesters are
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part of what’s wrong with this
country.
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Motherfucker, the government is
what’s wrong with this country.
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Protesters protested.
He keeps hitting on protesters.
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And it was one of the things the
crowd cheered the hardest for.
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You know, people have those
shirts.
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That’s like the first Pride was
a riot.
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I’m surprised that the
libertarian annoying T-shirt
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market hasn’t gone with this
country was a protest.
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You know, like Boston Tea Party,
Dodd gifts on the fucking shirt.
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I guess I try to seek out
alternate viewpoints of history
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so much I can sort of forget
that the main version a lot of
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times is the villain is the good
guy.
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Like, yeah.
Oh yeah, I forgot.
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When you tell the story, that’s
the bad guys.
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The dude at Kent State who said
we should all get along.
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My bad.
Yeah, the Reagan movie is
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fucking chock full of that.
I did forget one thing, though,
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that I would be remiss if I did
not mention.
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I’m going to try and get one of
the film makers on the podcast.
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But, And apparently this didn’t
happen everywhere that the
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Reagan movie was shown, but it
did happen at my screening.
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There was a trailer for a
documentary about the theory
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that Abraham Lincoln was gay.
Yo, it’s called Lover of men and
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man.
The Republicans, God hated that
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shit.
They were.
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That fucking rock so hard.
I’m told I was so fucking
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psyched, especially when the
title card popped up and said
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lover of men.
Oh, I belly laughed.
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A roomful of like sitcom
Arrested Development writers
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couldn’t come up with a reveal
that good lover of men.
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The 2006 version of this was
when someone asked George W Bush
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if he saw Brokeback Mountain.
And everyone was like, wow, that
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reporter is punk rock.
You know, he brought up the gay
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thing to the fucking president.
Oh, fuck, I love that.
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I wrote a show called Historical
Roast on Netflix, which is kind
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of good.
And there’s an episode of
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Abraham Lincoln.
We actually had an Abraham
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Lincoln like professor come in
to consult on the show and make
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sure it was accurate.
And he was fucking annoying.
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But he’s had those few
interesting things.
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And we’ve read a lot about, I
think it’s mostly stems around a
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guy named Josh, which Sneed who
he was like business partners
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with, and him saying we shared a
lovely evening together once.
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And it’s like, I don’t know,
maybe me and Adam just wanted a
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trip.
And we played cards and we
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watched Showtime and went to
bed.
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It was a lovely evening.
I mean, there’s nothing gay
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about it seemed a little blown
out of proportion to me.
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But the fact that it bummed out
a bunch of those people in this
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role.
Yeah.
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And I’m interested to see if
that’s all there is to it.
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How they make that into a full
documentary, I guess we’ll find
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out.
Yeah, I mean, it’s entirely
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possible that there’s way more
to it than I realize, but I
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don’t know.
We took the research on that
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show pretty seriously.
We had a lot of people looking
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into it, and believe me, with a
ripple of comedy writers, we
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were begging for him to be gayer
than he was.
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We had a bit where Guy Brandon
came on and played the guy, but
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it was cut from the show.
I think his bit was actually
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kind of bluding to that.
It was like a little underblown
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or whatever, but the one line
was like, well we packed it up
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in the morning hunting, humped
it all the way to Kentucky.
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Nice.
A deleted scene for ATV show you
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haven’t seen.
Yeah, I also really hate that
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this movie co-ops the Genesis
song Land of Confusion.
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You misinterpret movies and
songs from the 80s.
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Adam’s going to find you and
your fucking crimes will be
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addressed.
Well what bothers me here is
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this song was specifically about
Reagan being a fucking problem
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and it’s got a really famous
video where it’s puppets of
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Nancy Reagan and Ronald Reagan.
That’s the whole video.
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It was a super anti Reagan song
and the way it plays in this
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movie makes it seem like it’s a
song about needing someone like
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Ronald Reagan to take over the
country because they play it
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over this montage of his
scandals.
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They cover Reagan scandals in
the span of a Genesis song.
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They’re just like this happened,
this happened, this happened,
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this happened and they.
And they brush over it and make
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the Genesis song into the
justification for, well, he.
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We needed Reagan to take over.
Yeah, when you listen to that
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song in that context, it’s like
flips it on its head and makes
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it seem like that is a song
about needing a strong, powerful
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leader like Ronald Reagan.
That is not what that fucking
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song is about.
And what really bothered me
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about that scene and the reason
we’re doing this episode today
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is they’re doing this montage of
all his scandals.
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The whole energy is, oh, people
were mad at Ronald Reagan.
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Why?
He was getting too much stuff
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done and some pussies got butt
hurt.
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Kinda, yeah.
That was kind of the tone.
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And one of the things that
happens during that montage is
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they put up the statistic about
how many people died of AIDS
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under Ronald Reagan.
And I shit you not, it seems
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like they’re bragging more than
criticizing.
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Oh God, yeah, sure.
I feel like they were saying
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look at the fucking numbers this
guy put up.
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Weren’t those the days when we
could just not care about gay
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people and let them die?
We could let them slowly
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matriculate from society through
disease.
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Yeah, I honestly think that was
the point, because it’s the only
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moment where they call out a
specific negative thing about
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cutting.
More taxes and killed more gays
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than anybody that ever did it.
And I do believe it said
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specifically that this many gay
people died and not everyone who
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had AIDS was gay.
But you got to inflate those
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numbers if you want to get the
conservatives in the crowd
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excited.
If you go up to a bunch of neo
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Nazis and you tell them that you
just killed 2 polacs in a gypsy,
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I’m sure they’ll be happy for
you.
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But it’s it’s, it’s not as good
as three.
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Jews.
Exactly.
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So I want to talk about Reagan
and the AIDS crisis.
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I know I’ve mentioned it before,
but we’ve never done a whole
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episode on it.
There’s a really good short
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documentary out there called
When AIDS Was Funny.
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It’s made by a guy named Scott
Kaloniko, who I know, I’ve
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worked with him before.
He is weirdly the guy who coined
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the phrase Manic Pixie Dream
Girl.
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Wow, that’s that’s a nice
feather in your cap.
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The only phrase we ever coined
was Elvis Truther.
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Yeah, exactly.
And that phrase still applies to
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me.
Oh yeah, Oh yeah, same here.
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But yeah, it’s a good
documentary if you can find it.
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It’s a short documentary, so I
don’t think it’s on the
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streaming services, but I’m sure
it’s on YouTube.
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And it covers at least the first
part of the AIDS scandal, which
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is when AIDS was first becoming
a thing.
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And one reporter in particular
kept asking the White House
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about AIDS.
And they were just like, why are
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you asking?
Are you gay?
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That’s your first response to
like, I don’t know, one of the
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biggest humanitarian crises of
the 20th century, a century not
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devoid of major humanitarian
crises, I would say.
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It’s sad, it’s fucking sad to
watch.
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I’m trying to find the exact
quote it reminds me very much
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of.
Are you familiar with nardwar?
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No.
Well, never mind.
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What is nardwar?
If you like punk rock music or
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hip hop, go watch any Nard War
interview with Snoop Dogg or
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Jelly Offer and enjoy the next
12 hours of YouTube clips
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because it’s going to be the
greatest thing you’ve ever seen
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in your life.
But he’s talking to the Prime
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Minister of Canada and he’s
like, these protesters were
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maced.
They were pepper spray.
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What do you have to say about
this police brutality?
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And the prime minister’s like
me, I like to put pepper on my
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snake.
Next question.
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He literally brushes it off in
the most unburned, evil way
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possible.
This is what people in power do,
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you know, They’re like, well,
you’re fucking gay for even
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caring about that.
Yeah, there’s two exchanges that
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happen during White House press
conferences between White House
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Press Secretary Larry Speaks,
which what a great fucking name
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for a press secretary.
Oh.
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My God.
That is ideal.
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Remember those shoes, Healy’s
that you, they had a little
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wheel in the heel of the shoe
that you could take out so you
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could get a little running start
and you can go for a little
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cruise on your little Healy
wheelies.
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That was invented by a guy named
like Richard Healy.
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That was just his fucking name.
No creativity.
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It’s like a great name.
Like it’s even if you spend
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$2000 paying a bunch of riders
come up with good names for
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shoes with wheels in the heels,
you’d probably come to Healy’s.
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But that just was the fucker’s
name.
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It’s smart and Final.
The store was started by started
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by Mr. Smart and a Mr. Final.
Yeah, I found that out at a
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comedy show not too long ago, I
think it was.
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Andy Peters has a bit about
that.
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I had no fucking idea.
Motherfuckers taking my fun
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facts plagiarism.
So these exchanges between Larry
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Speaks, who is White House press
secretary, and a reporter named
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Lester Consolving.
What’s interesting about Lester
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is he was personally opposed to
homosexuality as a moral thing.
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But I feel like we really were
living in a different time at
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this point where you could be a
person who, on moral grounds as
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opposed to homosexuality, while
at the same time holding the
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belief that it doesn’t mean they
should die.
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They are still people who
deserve to be protected.
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And that was Lester Consolving’s
whole thing.
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He was like, I’m not gay.
I don’t fucking approve of it.
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But you can’t just let people
die the way you’re letting
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people die.
And what’s so alarming about
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these exchanges is they’re
exactly the same.
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Lester consolving, asks a
question and then Larry speaks,
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basically implies that he’s gay,
and everyone starts laughing.
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This happened twice, two years
apart, happened once in 1982,
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and then two full years of the
White House doing nothing about
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AIDS.
And then they have the same
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exchange in 1984, and I’ll play
them right now.
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Here’s the 1982 recording.
Laurie, does the President have
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any reactions to the
announcement, the Center for
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Disease Control, Atlanta, that
AIDS is now an epidemic in 600 /
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600 cases over 1/3?
Of them are done.
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It’s known as gay plague.
No, it is.
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I mean, it’s a pretty serious
thing that one and every three
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people that get this have died.
And I wondered if the president
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is aware of it.
I don’t have it are you do?
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You you don’t have.
It well, I’m relieved to hear
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that.
Do you?
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You didn’t answer my question.
How do you know does the?
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President.
In other words, the White House
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looks on.
This is a great joke.
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No, I don’t know anything about
it, Lester, the president, does.
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Anybody in the White House know
about this epidemic, Larry?
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I don’t think so.
I don’t think it’s been any.
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There’ve been no personal
experience here, Lester.
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Doctor, I checked thoroughly
with Doctor Roogie this morning
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and he’s had no, no patients
suffered from AIDS or whatever
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it is.
No, didn’t say that.
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Didn’t say that.
I thought I heard you on the
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State Department over there when
you stay over there.
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Oh, I see.
Well, I let’s don’t put it in
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those terms, Lester.
I hope so.
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Pretty fucking scandalous.
Here’s the 1984 recording.
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Lester’s beginning to circle
now.
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He’s moving in front.
Go ahead the.
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Center for Disease Control and a
lot of questions an estimated.
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Question.
An estimated 300,000 people have
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been exposed to AIDS, which can
be transmitted through saliva.
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Will the President as commander
in Chief take steps to protect
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armed forces, food and medical
services from AIDS patients or
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those who run the risk of
spreading AIDS and in the same
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amount of it, they forbid
typhoid fever people from being
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involved in the health or food
services?
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Is the president concerned about
this subject, Larry?
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That hasn’t expressed concern
reaction here.
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I, you know, I haven’t.
Is he going to do anything,
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Larry?
Last time I’ve not heard him
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express anything.
I’m sorry.
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No, no, express no opinion about
this epidemic.
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No, but I must confess I haven’t
asked him about it.
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Would you ask him, Larry?
Have you been checked?
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I have one.
Look, Larry speaks.
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That guy is a piece of shit.
You know, on the one hand, this
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is like a pretty cut and dry 2
pieces of evidence of a man
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who’s essentially a mouthpiece
for an evil empire.
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On the other hand is a comedian
who one time at his weekly
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comedy show in the year 2015,
did the exact same crowd work on
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the exact same guy two weeks in
a row.
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I can sympathize with the lack
of creativity that you’re going
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back to an old familiar.
Well, it’s something we all do
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from time to time.
I’m sure Adam can.
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Really.
So Larry speaks.
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I say something.
Chris Rock will tell you.
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Don’t stop writing, OK?
If you want to press the gaze,
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come up with some fresh
material.
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We should all do better.
One thing about Reagan, before
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he became president, there was
an incident when he was governor
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of California where he fired two
staff members, including his
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chief of staff, after they were
outed as gay in an article by an
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investigative journalist.
What a horrible job.
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And this investigative
journalist just going around
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following somebody, He’s having
fun.
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Yeah.
He’s experiencing the pleasure
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of nerve endings in his anus
that you’ll never even know.
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Yeah, this was definitely a
different time in that way.
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You could have a whole job just
catching people being gay.
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I guess.
From the from the sounds of this
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article I could have been Connor
Mcpadden.
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Homo catcher threw some glitter
on the old mug and went down to
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the leather bar and fucking just
outed family men all all fucking
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night long.
It’s crazy.
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Yeah.
And Reagan considered
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homosexuality part of that moral
decline.
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And that carried on into his
first run for president and
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everything he did after that.
It’s a moral.
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Evolution of the human sexual
condition.
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Homosexuality.
It’s it’s very green.
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It doesn’t produce the same
environmental waste that
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heterosexual sex does, which is
babies.
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If everybody turned gay, we’d
probably have plenty of corn.
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Yeah, I got an A in the two
honors Community College
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economics classes I got, So what
do I know?
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But that’s just my theory.
So these exchanges, we already
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talked about, they happen.
The first one happens in 1982.
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And by that point, I think only
like 600 people had died from
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AIDS in the United States.
But those numbers start going
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way, way up.
If you’re that guy’s like
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nephew, do you brag about that?
You’re like, my nephew is
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actually like one of the 1st 600
people to die of AIDS.
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Yeah, I wonder is.
That like my dad saw Hendrix,
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you know, my dad was fucking
lame.
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My dad saw the recording of Kiss
alive. 22 Gross.
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Yeah, I know. 2 So it wasn’t
just that the Reagan
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administration was dismissive of
AIDS.
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Their policies actually went a
long way toward hindering
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efforts of medical professionals
to deal with it.
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Yeah, if you’re like, I want a
research age, they’re like, why?
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Yeah, it was a lot of that.
We played those two exchanges.
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The whole fucking tenor of it is
why would we know about gay
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people?
Who cares that gay people are
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dying?
That was the Reagan
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administration stance on AIDS
pretty much forever.
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Yeah, It seems like the
administration had a playbook of
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this is our talking points for
this issue and this issue and
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this issue, and they’re
constantly evolving based on the
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agenda and the political
topography of the day.
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It seems like the AIDS thing, it
didn’t even seem like it was in
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the book.
They’re like, I don’t know what
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the fuck that gay shit.
There seemed to be no thought
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whatsoever put into it, you
know?
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Yeah, it’s absolutely that I
feel like this is actually the
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biggest scandal of Reagan’s
presidency.
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It’s very not preventable, but
addressable.
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Like, let’s put some money into
stopping this public health
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crisis.
Yeah, and the whole reason none
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of that was done is just
religious bigotry, basically.
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Case in point, in 1983, Reagan
met with members of the LGBTQ
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community to talk about AIDS and
what could be done to prevent
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it.
And he came away from that
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meeting very unhappy.
So he had a second meeting, this
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time with his conservative
advisors.
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Lot of behind closed door
meetings with dudes for a guy
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who hates the gays, right?
Let me just get all me and my
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secret buddies together to
confer about this, my special
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pals in the raised race.
Their plan to fight AIDS was to
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sell homosexuality as a sin and
a moral failing, and they
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thought if they told enough
people that then it would just
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keep killing gay people and
they’d be fine.
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I don’t know.
And you know what?
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Props to them, it worked.
Yeah, exactly.
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You know what, when the deep
state wins, and they often do,
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they really win.
They owned the PR battle on
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gayness.
It wasn’t even slightly cool to
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be the pro your hypothetical gay
friends until like 2003 or
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something.
So when did the Jon Stewart
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Daily Show come out or
something?
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Yeah, it was something like
that.
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And even then, Jon, there’s
videos of Jon Stewart.
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I’m sure he’s apologized for him
being like, there was a bitch
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and there’s a man in a dress.
Stupid shit, you know?
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And even that was pretty woke
for the.
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So after those 1983 meetings,
there were no other meetings
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about AIDS for another two
years.
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Which sidebar By 1984, more than
3500 people had died from AIDS
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in the United States.
By 1985, that number jumped to
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12,529.
Unfortunately, This is why we
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called the decade the 1980s.
So Team Reagan was also very
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hesitant to approve funding for
AIDS research.
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The first time someone managed
to get that passed, it was
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because they buried this funding
for AIDS in a public health
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00:24:24,960 –> 00:24:29,960
emergency trust fund proposal
that was specifically for stuff
439
00:24:29,960 –> 00:24:33,560
like Legionnaires disease and
toxic shock syndrome.
440
00:24:33,840 –> 00:24:37,040
And someone just slid AIDS
research in there and of course
441
00:24:37,040 –> 00:24:41,040
no one read it.
So that’s how AIDS research got
442
00:24:41,040 –> 00:24:45,000
funded.
Initially it was through sneaky
443
00:24:45,200 –> 00:24:47,680
tactics.
They had to fund AIDS research
444
00:24:47,680 –> 00:24:49,560
the same way they passed the
Patriot Act.
445
00:24:49,880 –> 00:24:52,600
Yeah.
Don’t you love this system of
446
00:24:52,600 –> 00:24:55,120
government of ours?
Oh, it’s the best.
447
00:24:55,560 –> 00:24:58,840
Our government is the best.
It’s like if you got this shit
448
00:24:58,840 –> 00:25:01,080
from drinking too much Mountain
Dew they would have called it
449
00:25:01,080 –> 00:25:05,560
the Freedom virus and like
launched in the 1980 version of
450
00:25:05,560 –> 00:25:07,880
Operation Lightspeed to fucking
cure it.
451
00:25:07,960 –> 00:25:12,880
So of course it took a rich
white dude dying from AIDS to
452
00:25:13,240 –> 00:25:16,520
light a fire under the Reagan
administration.
453
00:25:16,960 –> 00:25:22,480
That rich white dude being
legendary actor Rock Hudson, who
454
00:25:22,640 –> 00:25:28,400
I’m old enough to remember and
that happened, and I’m not old
455
00:25:28,400 –> 00:25:30,800
enough to give a shit about Rock
Hudson.
456
00:25:30,960 –> 00:25:34,720
But I knew so many people, like
especially family members who
457
00:25:34,720 –> 00:25:39,240
were just so broken up about
Rock Hudson dying.
458
00:25:39,560 –> 00:25:46,120
So it was a big deal to people.
And he apparently tried really
459
00:25:46,120 –> 00:25:51,920
hard to not let people know he
had AIDS, and meanwhile he was
460
00:25:51,920 –> 00:25:57,040
just disintegrating in public so
people knew something was wrong.
461
00:25:57,280 –> 00:25:58,160
Yeah.
How do you play that?
462
00:25:58,160 –> 00:26:00,160
Do you just like I’m getting
really into heroin?
463
00:26:00,200 –> 00:26:04,440
Yeah, just working out a bunch
in my 90s, You know, in the book
464
00:26:04,440 –> 00:26:07,560
And the Band Played On, which if
people have never seen it,
465
00:26:07,560 –> 00:26:10,320
there’s a movie version of And
the Band Played On.
466
00:26:10,320 –> 00:26:14,080
It was an HBO movie and it’s
really fucking good.
467
00:26:14,320 –> 00:26:19,240
I cannot recommend it enough.
And it’s about how people were
468
00:26:19,240 –> 00:26:22,920
getting AIDS from blood
transfusions.
469
00:26:23,400 –> 00:26:26,520
There was blood that was tainted
with HIV and no one fucking knew
470
00:26:26,520 –> 00:26:28,320
it because they weren’t testing
for it.
471
00:26:28,760 –> 00:26:33,040
So a lot of the people who died
from AIDS were not homosexuals.
472
00:26:33,040 –> 00:26:36,200
They were not drug users.
They were people who went in for
473
00:26:36,200 –> 00:26:39,640
a fucking surgery and got
tainted blood transfusions,
474
00:26:40,040 –> 00:26:42,760
which I don’t know.
It doesn’t make Reagan’s thing
475
00:26:42,760 –> 00:26:45,360
worse.
Reagan not treating gay people
476
00:26:45,360 –> 00:26:48,240
as people.
There’s not a lot that can make
477
00:26:48,240 –> 00:26:53,360
that worse, but it just doubly
sucks that that’s the reason he
478
00:26:53,360 –> 00:26:56,920
ignored it when it wasn’t even a
valid reason.
479
00:26:57,120 –> 00:27:02,480
This was not just a gay disease,
but because it had that
480
00:27:02,640 –> 00:27:05,240
connotation to it.
The Reagan administration just
481
00:27:05,240 –> 00:27:08,080
fucking ignored it, and Reagan’s
in hell now.
482
00:27:08,520 –> 00:27:10,720
They weren’t even being evil
accurately.
483
00:27:11,120 –> 00:27:13,480
Exactly, Yeah.
There was friendly fire.
484
00:27:13,520 –> 00:27:17,760
The book and the band played on.
They point to Rock Hudson dying
485
00:27:17,760 –> 00:27:22,360
as kind of a before and after
moment for AIDS, where people
486
00:27:22,360 –> 00:27:25,120
like Reagan and his squad wanted
to ignore it.
487
00:27:25,160 –> 00:27:29,680
And then Rock Hudson dies and he
was a friend of the Reagan’s,
488
00:27:29,680 –> 00:27:37,360
more a friend of Nancy Reagan
than Ronald Reagan, but they
489
00:27:37,360 –> 00:27:41,760
were friends.
And there’s a really sad story
490
00:27:41,920 –> 00:27:47,720
where Rock Hudson goes to France
to try and get treatment for
491
00:27:47,720 –> 00:27:53,440
AIDS, and the hospital he wants
to go to is a military hospital,
492
00:27:53,440 –> 00:27:57,720
and they won’t take him because
they don’t want to be associated
493
00:27:57,720 –> 00:28:01,520
with the gay disease.
And so Rock Hudson reached out
494
00:28:01,520 –> 00:28:05,320
to Nancy Reagan and was like,
hey, will you help and maybe get
495
00:28:05,320 –> 00:28:09,040
me into this hospital?
And she was like, no, we can’t
496
00:28:09,040 –> 00:28:10,280
do that.
It would look like we’re
497
00:28:10,280 –> 00:28:13,520
favoring our friends.
Meanwhile, there are so many
498
00:28:13,520 –> 00:28:17,120
instances of the Reagans
favoring their friends over.
499
00:28:17,160 –> 00:28:18,960
Yeah, yeah.
Any other kind of shit.
500
00:28:18,960 –> 00:28:25,560
But this Nancy was like Nope,
Nope, you just die gay I guess.
501
00:28:25,840 –> 00:28:28,440
Tells you a lot about how
homophobic the global climate
502
00:28:28,440 –> 00:28:32,800
was when you get turned away for
treatment even in France, the
503
00:28:32,800 –> 00:28:35,920
gayest country of all time by
far.
504
00:28:36,480 –> 00:28:42,320
Yeah, it, it really is crazy
how, and I mean, when it comes
505
00:28:42,320 –> 00:28:46,840
to gay people, that fucking
stance carried on deep.
506
00:28:46,920 –> 00:28:49,760
I mean, I’d say under the 2000s
kind of.
507
00:28:49,800 –> 00:28:51,840
Oh.
Yeah, I mean, I remember going
508
00:28:51,840 –> 00:28:54,920
to high school in like, you
know, from Chino, CA, with the
509
00:28:54,920 –> 00:28:58,960
high school in Ontario, CA kind
of a conservativish area, and
510
00:28:58,960 –> 00:29:01,640
just walking around and seeing
all the fucking, yes, on 8 yard
511
00:29:01,640 –> 00:29:04,320
signs and it being creepy that
every time you saw one of these
512
00:29:04,320 –> 00:29:07,160
yellow signs you’re like that
guy fucking that guy hates my
513
00:29:07,160 –> 00:29:08,200
friends.
Yeah.
514
00:29:08,280 –> 00:29:10,880
And we went around on Halloween
ripping them all up, which was
515
00:29:10,880 –> 00:29:12,840
very fun.
Oh that does sound fun, but.
516
00:29:12,840 –> 00:29:15,200
Yeah, kids at school had this
shit hanging out their backpack.
517
00:29:15,200 –> 00:29:18,720
They were all fucking like macho
and out there and fuck you and
518
00:29:18,720 –> 00:29:20,840
saying all the slurs and shit
like that.
519
00:29:20,840 –> 00:29:23,040
And yeah, it was not.
She was not friendly.
520
00:29:23,080 –> 00:29:24,840
She was not cool.
If you like, you know, I was in
521
00:29:24,840 –> 00:29:27,080
the drama department.
There was fucking tons of my
522
00:29:27,360 –> 00:29:28,760
friends who were gay, but they
couldn’t.
523
00:29:29,040 –> 00:29:32,520
It wasn’t like on their
Facebook, you know, like here I
524
00:29:32,520 –> 00:29:35,160
am at prom with a girl because I
love pussy.
525
00:29:36,800 –> 00:29:42,160
So a few short weeks after Rock
Hudson died, Congress magically
526
00:29:42,160 –> 00:29:46,320
doubled the amount of federal
funding allocated for AIDS
527
00:29:46,680 –> 00:29:49,320
research.
God damn it, there was some kind
528
00:29:49,320 –> 00:29:52,120
of transgender disease.
But then, And then, Hulk Hogan
529
00:29:52,120 –> 00:29:55,520
caught it.
Yeah, that’s kind of what this
530
00:29:55,520 –> 00:29:58,280
was.
And I guarantee there had to be
531
00:29:58,280 –> 00:30:02,080
a point where Reagan was like,
well, how did he catch it?
532
00:30:02,320 –> 00:30:04,920
He’s not gay.
Yeah, he is.
533
00:30:05,320 –> 00:30:07,160
He was super duper gay.
Ronald Reagan.
534
00:30:07,200 –> 00:30:09,440
You just don’t know it.
Oh, he was.
535
00:30:10,200 –> 00:30:11,480
Rock Hudson?
Yeah, he was gay.
536
00:30:11,760 –> 00:30:14,000
He was closeted.
Fiercely closeted.
537
00:30:14,000 –> 00:30:18,800
I wonder why people seemed so
accepting of shit like that in
538
00:30:18,800 –> 00:30:20,840
the 80s.
I don’t know why he felt he had
539
00:30:20,840 –> 00:30:23,080
to hide that.
I was making a fan fiction in my
540
00:30:23,080 –> 00:30:25,840
head when Nancy gave him some
sloppy toppy.
541
00:30:26,880 –> 00:30:29,960
Miraculously she had like a cut
in her gums and became the first
542
00:30:29,960 –> 00:30:33,120
person to ever contract HIV and
orally like that and then gives
543
00:30:33,120 –> 00:30:35,560
it to Reagan like the last time
they ever had.
544
00:30:35,560 –> 00:30:38,360
Ronald Reagan secretly dies of
AIDS, but they pretend it’s
545
00:30:38,360 –> 00:30:41,160
Alzheimer’s anyway.
That’s the Reagan movie I want.
546
00:30:41,400 –> 00:30:44,360
That’s yeah, that’s that’s my
version of Inglourious Basterds.
547
00:30:44,360 –> 00:30:46,400
It’s about the Reagan
administration.
548
00:30:46,640 –> 00:30:50,240
But the alternate ending you see
through happenstance gets AIDS.
549
00:30:50,520 –> 00:30:53,720
Yeah, which that would take so
much longer to kill him than the
550
00:30:53,720 –> 00:30:58,200
dementia did, but that’s fine.
Any whatever Rd. we need to take
551
00:30:58,280 –> 00:31:00,040
to get there.
I’m actually all right with a
552
00:31:00,040 –> 00:31:02,840
slow death to the Gipper.
Yeah, Yeah, That would have been
553
00:31:02,960 –> 00:31:05,080
better.
I mean, I think he died kind of
554
00:31:05,080 –> 00:31:07,240
slow.
I remember, I don’t remember
555
00:31:07,240 –> 00:31:09,440
exact when did Ronald Reagan
die, I think.
556
00:31:09,640 –> 00:31:13,880
He died in like 2005.
No, that’s wrong really.
557
00:31:13,880 –> 00:31:16,720
Like 96.
Oh, you were close.
558
00:31:16,720 –> 00:31:19,480
June 5th, 2004.
Oh, OK.
559
00:31:19,800 –> 00:31:22,160
Yeah, he was killed in the
invasion of Iraq.
560
00:31:22,160 –> 00:31:26,520
Crazy.
Real fucking American hero.
561
00:31:26,520 –> 00:31:30,560
It’s nuts.
Just drilling on a submachine
562
00:31:30,560 –> 00:31:35,240
gun in a helicopter.
So when Rock Hudson died, this
563
00:31:35,240 –> 00:31:38,240
was also the point in history
where Reagan finally started
564
00:31:38,240 –> 00:31:41,720
talking about AIDS with his
AIDS, you know?
565
00:31:43,560 –> 00:31:49,280
You ride dog.
On September 17th, 1985, he
566
00:31:49,280 –> 00:31:55,120
finally, for the first time
acknowledged AIDS as a real
567
00:31:55,120 –> 00:31:58,800
thing when he was asked about it
by a reporter at a White House
568
00:31:58,960 –> 00:32:01,960
press conference.
But even then, all he did was
569
00:32:01,960 –> 00:32:07,160
defend his administration’s
actions when it came to AIDS and
570
00:32:07,280 –> 00:32:11,320
claimed that it was actually the
White House’s top priority.
571
00:32:11,600 –> 00:32:13,760
It’s like get the fuck out of
here, what are you talking
572
00:32:13,760 –> 00:32:17,240
about?
Yeah, maybe fucking avoiding it
573
00:32:17,240 –> 00:32:19,040
because you’re all secretly gay
anyways.
574
00:32:19,440 –> 00:32:24,120
Yeah, he did publicly claim in
1986 that finding a cure for
575
00:32:24,120 –> 00:32:26,640
AIDS was, quote, one of our
highest public health
576
00:32:26,640 –> 00:32:28,240
priorities.
End Quote.
577
00:32:28,400 –> 00:32:31,720
I love this turn of events.
After he made that announcement,
578
00:32:31,920 –> 00:32:35,760
he pulls then Surgeon General C
Everett Koop aside.
579
00:32:36,000 –> 00:32:39,120
Who if you’ve ever seen that
guy, he’s a fucking character.
580
00:32:39,440 –> 00:32:43,440
But what they were leaning on
was the fact that C Everett
581
00:32:43,440 –> 00:32:45,640
Coupe was a conservative
Christian.
582
00:32:45,800 –> 00:32:48,520
So they were like, what’s going
to happen here is he’s going to
583
00:32:48,520 –> 00:32:53,200
write a report about AIDS, and
he’s going to say it’s a moral
584
00:32:53,200 –> 00:32:57,840
failing and it’s a sin, and that
abstinence is the only way to
585
00:32:57,840 –> 00:33:00,200
fix it.
And he did not do that.
586
00:33:00,520 –> 00:33:04,440
Instead, he put out this report
that was like, condoms, dummy.
587
00:33:04,760 –> 00:33:09,440
Just fucking practice safe sex.
And the Reagan administration
588
00:33:09,880 –> 00:33:15,920
was wildly unhappy about that.
This is a quote from Ronald
589
00:33:15,920 –> 00:33:18,640
Reagan about C Everett Coop’s
report.
590
00:33:18,840 –> 00:33:21,960
I would think that sex education
should begin with the moral
591
00:33:21,960 –> 00:33:26,640
ramifications that it is not
just a physical activity that
592
00:33:26,640 –> 00:33:30,160
doesn’t have any more
connotation and quote.
593
00:33:30,320 –> 00:33:36,240
And I feel like this is probably
the point in history where I
594
00:33:36,240 –> 00:33:39,000
don’t know if this is still the
case, but for the longest time
595
00:33:39,240 –> 00:33:44,800
through Bush, the second Obama,
everyone there was this thing
596
00:33:45,040 –> 00:33:52,040
where when we send aid money to
Africa for anything, we had a
597
00:33:52,040 –> 00:33:56,680
stipulation in place whenever a
Republican was in office that if
598
00:33:56,680 –> 00:34:00,040
you do any sex education
teachings, it has to be
599
00:34:00,040 –> 00:34:03,720
abstinence based, no condoms,
none of that, or you don’t get
600
00:34:03,720 –> 00:34:06,160
any aid money from the United
States.
601
00:34:06,360 –> 00:34:09,320
And then when Democrats have
been in office, that stipulation
602
00:34:09,320 –> 00:34:12,760
is not in place.
And I feel like that probably
603
00:34:12,760 –> 00:34:17,199
started here where Republicans
on one side are like, Nope, tell
604
00:34:17,199 –> 00:34:20,840
people gay people are the devil
and that everyone should never
605
00:34:20,840 –> 00:34:24,960
have sex again.
And Democrats were like, people
606
00:34:24,960 –> 00:34:28,080
are going to still have sex.
We should probably tell them how
607
00:34:28,080 –> 00:34:31,880
to do it safely.
And it seems like that is still
608
00:34:32,040 –> 00:34:36,880
a huge dividing point between
Republicans and Democrats, which
609
00:34:36,880 –> 00:34:40,400
is nuts so much.
Shit in people’s brains, in our
610
00:34:40,400 –> 00:34:43,920
world, and in our lives just
boils down to the dumb nonsense
611
00:34:43,920 –> 00:34:47,480
that your parents told you that
their parents told them, and to
612
00:34:47,480 –> 00:34:49,159
whatever degree you questioned
it.
613
00:34:49,560 –> 00:34:52,679
When I was growing up in the
relatively modern time where I
614
00:34:52,679 –> 00:34:55,840
could go watch the Jon Stewart
Daily Show and read Ad Buster’s
615
00:34:55,840 –> 00:34:59,240
magazine and get some kind of a
subversive idea of what actually
616
00:34:59,240 –> 00:35:02,280
maybe was happening in the
world, there is like still my
617
00:35:02,480 –> 00:35:06,760
buddy’s moms were like, well, if
you get colds, then you get a
618
00:35:06,760 –> 00:35:10,920
cold or whatever.
Like whatever stupid fucking
619
00:35:10,920 –> 00:35:15,000
thing somebody tells you when
you’re 8 years old, very sternly
620
00:35:15,000 –> 00:35:17,920
that you’d fucking abstinence is
the only way.
621
00:35:17,920 –> 00:35:20,200
And you kind of think about it
and it makes sense because
622
00:35:20,200 –> 00:35:22,200
you’ve never fucking thought
about anything before because
623
00:35:22,200 –> 00:35:25,040
you’re 8 years, 8, then you just
think that forever and then
624
00:35:25,480 –> 00:35:29,120
impregnate your children with
your diseased ideas.
625
00:35:29,440 –> 00:35:35,000
You try to always into anybody’s
general bigotry that people
626
00:35:35,000 –> 00:35:37,680
perhaps don’t have the same
advantages of having maybe a
627
00:35:37,680 –> 00:35:40,040
diverse group of friends that
you have or whatever the fuck it
628
00:35:40,040 –> 00:35:40,640
is.
Yeah.
629
00:35:41,360 –> 00:35:43,680
But yeah, so many things.
It’s like, then you actually get
630
00:35:43,680 –> 00:35:44,960
a gay friend.
You’re like, oh, it’s right.
631
00:35:44,960 –> 00:35:47,280
This is actually not that
serious, Right.
632
00:35:47,600 –> 00:35:50,920
Like I, I guess I thought from
TV it was going to be a whole
633
00:35:50,920 –> 00:35:54,120
production, but you just like
different Smith’s songs than I
634
00:35:54,120 –> 00:35:55,280
do.
Yeah, yeah.
635
00:35:55,320 –> 00:35:58,720
So C Everett Coupe eventually
wins this battle.
636
00:35:59,000 –> 00:36:02,440
And for the record, Reagan had
no more meetings with C Everett
637
00:36:02,440 –> 00:36:05,400
Coop about AIDS after he put out
that report.
638
00:36:05,440 –> 00:36:09,360
Reagan was just pissed that it
didn’t say abstinence only.
639
00:36:10,680 –> 00:36:16,120
In 1988, Congress mandated that
a pamphlet about preventing AIDS
640
00:36:16,320 –> 00:36:20,520
be written up and sent to every
household in the United States,
641
00:36:20,720 –> 00:36:24,880
and C Everett Coop wrote that
pamphlet and it was all about
642
00:36:24,960 –> 00:36:27,600
safe sex and not about
abstinence.
643
00:36:27,600 –> 00:36:31,160
So at least he won that battle
within the Reagan
644
00:36:31,160 –> 00:36:33,360
administration.
I like that part.
645
00:36:33,640 –> 00:36:36,800
This was apparently the largest
mass mailing in American history
646
00:36:36,800 –> 00:36:38,960
at the time.
I’m saying that is strange that
647
00:36:38,960 –> 00:36:42,760
the president has to talk to you
about something and I’ve written
648
00:36:42,760 –> 00:36:46,800
you a special pamphlet.
I want you to put this piece of
649
00:36:46,800 –> 00:36:49,840
rubber on your penis before you
do naughty things with each
650
00:36:49,840 –> 00:36:52,400
other.
It’s just kind of creepy, like
651
00:36:52,560 –> 00:36:55,840
the government is is in your
mail to talk to you about your
652
00:36:55,840 –> 00:36:59,400
Dick.
I wonder what eventually
653
00:36:59,400 –> 00:37:01,960
surpassed that largest mass
mailing.
654
00:37:01,960 –> 00:37:03,960
I wonder if it was like those
AOL discs.
655
00:37:04,320 –> 00:37:06,840
Those fucking things were
everywhere.
656
00:37:07,640 –> 00:37:11,360
There was more of those around
than there was oxygen in the
657
00:37:11,360 –> 00:37:13,880
atmosphere for a while.
It was really strange.
658
00:37:13,920 –> 00:37:16,480
I was looking at them one time
going like, OK, these are like
659
00:37:16,840 –> 00:37:19,920
they’re all like 95 hours each.
We have 3000 of them.
660
00:37:19,920 –> 00:37:22,480
I could be on the Internet for
the next 1000 years.
661
00:37:22,760 –> 00:37:27,840
Yeah, I did an episode of a
podcast we used to do called The
662
00:37:27,840 –> 00:37:32,840
90s Sucked and the episode was
about those AOL discs.
663
00:37:33,320 –> 00:37:40,400
There was a point, I think it
was like 1997, where all CD
664
00:37:40,400 –> 00:37:45,760
manufacturing globally was just
doing AOLCDS.
665
00:37:45,760 –> 00:37:49,840
All musicians had to delay their
shit because there were not
666
00:37:50,240 –> 00:37:54,680
enough CD plants to make music.
They were just doing AOL discs.
667
00:37:54,880 –> 00:37:57,120
That’s nuts.
And now there’s a huge
668
00:37:57,120 –> 00:38:00,600
collector’s market for them,
which I found that interesting.
669
00:38:00,880 –> 00:38:02,680
It would.
Be kind of boss to have a whole
670
00:38:02,680 –> 00:38:04,800
set.
Like I got every colorway dude.
671
00:38:04,960 –> 00:38:07,120
Even the limited edition
Halloween ones.
672
00:38:07,120 –> 00:38:08,600
Bro I got the whole fucking
shit.
673
00:38:08,760 –> 00:38:14,800
So in mid 1987, Reagan issued an
executive order that created the
674
00:38:15,560 –> 00:38:19,000
buckle up everybody, this is a
long 1 Presidential Commission
675
00:38:19,000 –> 00:38:23,120
on the human immunodeficiency
virus epidemic to investigate
676
00:38:23,120 –> 00:38:25,240
HIV slash AIDS.
All right.
677
00:38:25,240 –> 00:38:29,800
For one thing, HIV and human
immunodeficiency virus are the
678
00:38:29,800 –> 00:38:32,720
same thing.
So you didn’t need to put HIV in
679
00:38:32,720 –> 00:38:36,840
there after writing it out.
But this sounds like it would
680
00:38:36,840 –> 00:38:38,800
have been a step in the right
direction.
681
00:38:39,000 –> 00:38:44,600
But it was the same partisan
bickering about how to approach
682
00:38:44,600 –> 00:38:47,920
it.
And Reagan insisted on having
683
00:38:47,920 –> 00:38:50,760
all these conservative advisors
weigh in on this.
684
00:38:51,040 –> 00:38:56,000
Nancy Reagan wanted a gay person
on the panel because it was
685
00:38:56,080 –> 00:38:59,120
affecting gay people at a much
higher rate than anyone else.
686
00:38:59,640 –> 00:39:02,800
Reagan shot that down.
He did briefly consider having
687
00:39:02,800 –> 00:39:06,160
someone on the panel who was a
reformed gay person.
688
00:39:06,160 –> 00:39:08,200
And it’s like, that’s just a
concern.
689
00:39:08,200 –> 00:39:13,200
Milo, Milo, Milo.
And so among the things his
690
00:39:13,200 –> 00:39:18,520
conservative advisors wanted to
recommend as part of this panel,
691
00:39:19,000 –> 00:39:22,960
rolling quarantines of gay
people, which I don’t think I
692
00:39:22,960 –> 00:39:26,320
even fucking want to know what
that means, because that sounds
693
00:39:26,320 –> 00:39:28,680
a lot.
Incredibly menacing rolling
694
00:39:28,680 –> 00:39:31,560
quarantines, OK.
That sounds a lot like we’re
695
00:39:31,560 –> 00:39:35,520
building camps and the.
Police state has arrived.
696
00:39:35,720 –> 00:39:38,960
Yeah, they also.
From the fucking Jello by Offer
697
00:39:38,960 –> 00:39:40,560
poem.
Sorry I didn’t have to do my
698
00:39:40,560 –> 00:39:43,280
second Jello by Offer reference
in the show, but I usually do at
699
00:39:43,280 –> 00:39:45,160
least one.
Yeah, we try to get one or two
700
00:39:45,160 –> 00:39:48,440
in every episode.
Yeah, on the panel wanted
701
00:39:49,160 –> 00:39:52,640
everyone who is diagnosed with
AIDS to be tattooed.
702
00:39:52,880 –> 00:39:57,440
And if you if you got it from
being a drug user, he they
703
00:39:57,440 –> 00:40:01,960
wanted the tattoo on your arm
and if you got it through sex,
704
00:40:02,200 –> 00:40:04,000
it was going to go on your
buttocks.
705
00:40:04,000 –> 00:40:07,040
Those were the kind of plans the
Reagan administration had to
706
00:40:07,040 –> 00:40:10,280
fight AIDS.
That is wow, that’s that’s my
707
00:40:10,280 –> 00:40:12,240
new.
Cartoonishly evil favorite
708
00:40:12,240 –> 00:40:16,080
Reagan administration fun facts
The the Reagan administration
709
00:40:16,080 –> 00:40:20,840
had a system of tattooing people
that was as or eviler than the
710
00:40:20,880 –> 00:40:22,680
Holocaust.
Like they they even were like
711
00:40:22,680 –> 00:40:24,720
number on the arm.
That’s not let’s get OK, we’re
712
00:40:24,720 –> 00:40:27,080
going to do more of a permanent
pink triangle thing.
713
00:40:27,280 –> 00:40:31,680
Yeah, it is crazy.
How similar to Nazi shit that
714
00:40:31,680 –> 00:40:33,440
is.
They’re just like, all right,
715
00:40:33,440 –> 00:40:35,880
well, first we’re going to put
them all in camps to separate
716
00:40:35,880 –> 00:40:38,080
them from society, and then
we’re going to put identifying
717
00:40:38,080 –> 00:40:40,000
symbols on them.
What could go wrong?
718
00:40:41,200 –> 00:40:43,720
What could go wrong?
Just so we know where they are.
719
00:40:43,720 –> 00:40:45,000
We.
Could keep track of them so
720
00:40:45,040 –> 00:40:47,480
easily.
Yeah, none of that.
721
00:40:47,480 –> 00:40:51,600
Happened though.
Fortunately, the effort did
722
00:40:51,600 –> 00:40:55,640
result in something called the
Watkins Commission report, which
723
00:40:55,640 –> 00:40:59,280
basically said all the things C
Everett Coop said, which is safe
724
00:40:59,280 –> 00:41:02,760
sex, condoms that should go a
long way in helping.
725
00:41:03,000 –> 00:41:09,480
The report made 579 specific
recommendations for fighting the
726
00:41:09,480 –> 00:41:12,840
AIDS epidemic.
And Reagan implemented maybe
727
00:41:12,840 –> 00:41:18,480
like 5-10, something like that.
And so by the end of his
728
00:41:18,480 –> 00:41:26,360
presidency, 89,343 people had
died of AIDS in the United
729
00:41:26,360 –> 00:41:28,360
States.
That blood is on that
730
00:41:28,360 –> 00:41:31,600
motherfucker’s hands.
What’s that number again, Adam?
731
00:41:32,160 –> 00:41:35,880
89,003. 143 OK I need to do a
little.
732
00:41:35,880 –> 00:41:37,520
Bit of quick arithmetic.
Tick.
733
00:41:38,240 –> 00:41:44,080
This will be worth it.
That is 30.019 elevens.
734
00:41:45,920 –> 00:41:49,560
Ronald Reagan did 39 elevens on
gay people.
735
00:41:50,080 –> 00:41:52,600
Pretty mean.
It does suck that there’s.
736
00:41:52,600 –> 00:41:58,520
Not just a like Google currency
converter for that you should be
737
00:41:58,520 –> 00:42:03,360
able 9 elevens, is it?
Yeah, yeah, let’s start a
738
00:42:03,360 –> 00:42:06,840
website
howmany9elevenswasthis.com and
739
00:42:06,840 –> 00:42:09,400
you just typed your number,
pointed it out, but someone was
740
00:42:09,400 –> 00:42:11,160
like.
Only like 1500 people died in
741
00:42:11,160 –> 00:42:13,040
Pearl Harbor.
That’s not even a whole 911.
742
00:42:13,280 –> 00:42:16,200
Yeah, the one that.
I always bring up is the
743
00:42:16,200 –> 00:42:19,440
Hindenburg.
People act like the Hindenburg
744
00:42:19,440 –> 00:42:23,720
was this and it was a massive
tragedy but like 30 people died.
745
00:42:24,280 –> 00:42:29,320
If you watch the video it’s the
balloon that’s on fire but the
746
00:42:29,320 –> 00:42:31,040
people were in the fucking
cabin.
747
00:42:31,200 –> 00:42:35,120
So if you watch video of the
Hindenburg falling to the ground
748
00:42:35,480 –> 00:42:38,840
once it lands people just start
streaming out.
749
00:42:39,200 –> 00:42:43,320
The only people who died were
like the last people to get out
750
00:42:43,560 –> 00:42:47,560
and it was because the balloon
like collapsed around them and
751
00:42:47,680 –> 00:42:50,320
they burned.
But most of the people on the
752
00:42:50,320 –> 00:42:53,760
Hindenburg got out.
So quit fucking whining.
753
00:42:53,960 –> 00:42:56,560
Elvis is alive and the.
Hindenburg wasn’t that bad.
754
00:42:56,680 –> 00:42:58,680
Bad.
It really wasn’t, though.
755
00:42:59,200 –> 00:43:00,680
Facts.
Facts don’t care about.
756
00:43:00,680 –> 00:43:03,320
Your feelings, folks.
So yeah.
757
00:43:03,520 –> 00:43:08,000
Reagan killed, what was it, 39
elevens worth of people through
758
00:43:08,000 –> 00:43:09,760
his energy?
9 elevens, yeah.
759
00:43:10,320 –> 00:43:13,360
And that’s.
Just people who died of AIDS.
760
00:43:13,560 –> 00:43:16,760
We’re not even talking about all
the people who died in Latin
761
00:43:16,760 –> 00:43:21,040
America when he was just giving
the CIA a blank check to do
762
00:43:21,040 –> 00:43:23,760
whatever the fuck they wanted to
do in the name of fighting
763
00:43:23,760 –> 00:43:26,960
communism.
So yeah, Reagan’s a war criminal
764
00:43:26,960 –> 00:43:30,280
and he should have gone to
prison at some point.
765
00:43:30,320 –> 00:43:32,160
I remember one time and I don’t
know what compelled.
766
00:43:32,160 –> 00:43:35,360
Him to say this, my childhood
friend Kellen said that when we
767
00:43:35,360 –> 00:43:38,440
catch Osama bin Laden, we should
sew up his butt cheeks and force
768
00:43:38,440 –> 00:43:41,000
feed him laxatives.
And I think that’s what we
769
00:43:41,560 –> 00:43:45,920
should do to Ronald Reagan as
soon as time machine technology
770
00:43:45,920 –> 00:43:47,960
is invented.
I think your friend Kellen is
771
00:43:47,960 –> 00:43:50,640
ripping.
Off the Wu Tang Clan, that is
772
00:43:50,640 –> 00:43:53,600
from the intro to method.
Man, Yeah, and keep feeding you
773
00:43:53,840 –> 00:43:57,600
and feeding you and feeding you,
which that would be.
774
00:43:57,600 –> 00:43:59,760
Fucked up, apparently.
Puff.
775
00:43:59,760 –> 00:44:02,800
Daddy loved to play torture with
Method Man when they were
776
00:44:02,800 –> 00:44:05,960
recording the song the what, the
only feature on Ready to Die,
777
00:44:05,960 –> 00:44:07,080
Biggie’s first album.
Yeah.
778
00:44:07,160 –> 00:44:09,640
And while they were doing in the
recording session, he kept, he
779
00:44:09,640 –> 00:44:10,960
kept Griffin on this torture
bit.
780
00:44:10,960 –> 00:44:14,920
And one thing he said was I’ll
fucking, I’ll fucking liquefy
781
00:44:15,160 –> 00:44:18,120
assets.
And I always enjoyed that.
782
00:44:19,000 –> 00:44:21,760
That’s a good one.
So that’s our episode.
783
00:44:22,520 –> 00:44:25,120
We did it.
The Reagan movie is in theaters
784
00:44:25,120 –> 00:44:27,320
now.
I would say you should go to it
785
00:44:27,360 –> 00:44:31,640
and stand out front and protest.
And you see, you have a sign
786
00:44:31,640 –> 00:44:34,200
that says.
Reagan killed 39 elevens worth
787
00:44:34,200 –> 00:44:37,680
of gay people with AIDS.
Treat the Reagan movie like.
788
00:44:38,040 –> 00:44:42,040
Republicans treat an abortion
clinic just harass the shit out
789
00:44:42,040 –> 00:44:44,880
of anyone going into the Reagan
movie.
790
00:44:44,880 –> 00:44:46,320
I want like a, you know, a bunch
of.
791
00:44:46,320 –> 00:44:49,880
Crushed punks yelling at an old
man with those like really?
792
00:44:49,880 –> 00:44:52,560
You know an old men have the
impossibly big sunglasses that
793
00:44:52,560 –> 00:44:55,240
stick out like 3 inches from
their nose because they have
794
00:44:55,240 –> 00:44:56,760
like all the different blockers
in it.
795
00:44:57,040 –> 00:45:00,120
I just want a guy wearing those
sunglasses, like cowering in
796
00:45:00,120 –> 00:45:03,560
fear or just a bunch of
screaming gaze.
797
00:45:04,760 –> 00:45:08,480
That would be nice to see.
So Connor, thank you so much for
798
00:45:08,480 –> 00:45:11,680
doing the pod.
I appreciate it as always.
799
00:45:11,880 –> 00:45:12,960
What?
Thanks, Adam.
800
00:45:13,160 –> 00:45:14,600
Do we have to plug?
Before we get out.
801
00:45:14,600 –> 00:45:17,440
Of here, all I got is my solo
podcast in broad daylight.
802
00:45:17,480 –> 00:45:21,240
You can listen to it wherever
podcasts are at or you can watch
803
00:45:21,240 –> 00:45:24,560
it on YouTube at Adam Todd Brown
comedy.
804
00:45:24,560 –> 00:45:28,400
That’s Todd with 1D.
This week’s episode is about the
805
00:45:28,400 –> 00:45:32,280
Chase Free money glitch, which.
What a debacle.
806
00:45:32,400 –> 00:45:33,440
Connor, what do you have to
plug?
807
00:45:33,720 –> 00:45:36,680
Oh goodness me, I have a.
Comedy special on YouTube called
808
00:45:36,680 –> 00:45:40,520
Jokes about Fucking and several
more comedy albums available on
809
00:45:40,520 –> 00:45:43,240
the YouTube channel as well as
long as Spotify, Apple Music,
810
00:45:43,240 –> 00:45:46,560
other streaming services.
In addition, I have a scripted
811
00:45:46,560 –> 00:45:50,000
comedy podcast called Mean Boys
that is unlike anything you’ve
812
00:45:50,000 –> 00:45:52,240
ever heard.
We have a monologue, jokes,
813
00:45:52,280 –> 00:45:57,680
games, sketches, desk pieces.
It’s a combination of late night
814
00:45:57,680 –> 00:46:01,440
talk shows and morning radio
shows and old time of game shows
815
00:46:01,440 –> 00:46:04,360
and all kinds of things.
And Adam’s been on a bunch of
816
00:46:04,360 –> 00:46:06,800
times and we, you know, you
might want to subscribe to the
817
00:46:06,800 –> 00:46:09,840
mean boys feed.
You know, it may be some some
818
00:46:09,840 –> 00:46:12,320
activity happening there soon.
I can’t spoil.
819
00:46:12,960 –> 00:46:16,720
Do it go.
Subscribe and let’s get the fuck
820
00:46:16,720 –> 00:46:18,240
out of here.
Connor, say goodbye.
821
00:46:18,680 –> 00:46:26,280
Goodbye everybody, Goodbye.
Everybody, we love you people of
822
00:46:26,280 –> 00:46:28,960
Earth.
Your planet is has to be
823
00:46:29,200 –> 00:46:29,480
destroyed.