Adam discusses the unfounded conspiracy that claims millions of non-citizens have registered to vote in the 2024 presidential election.
Show notes: https://conspirapod.link/ep298
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as the title.
I’m assuming you’ve already read
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implies I’m talking about.
The.
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Latest and hottest 2024 election
conspiracy the one that claims
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millions and millions of non
citizens are.
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Registering to vote.
We’re still just under two
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months away from Election Day.
But chatter.
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About stolen votes and tales of
crooked election officials have
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been swirling since.
I don’t know the second the 2020
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election ended, I think it’s.
Pretty clear that.
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Trump and his.
Followers are.
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Only going to.
Accept the results.
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Of this election, if he wins in
a landslide, and if he doesn’t,
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it’s pretty.
Clear, at least.
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On the Trump administration side
of things, that the groundwork.
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Is already.
Being laid to contest the
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results of this election, One
way they’re going to do.
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That is by.
Employing one of the key.
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Tactics.
Of the campaign.
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Overall, which is.
Demonizing immigrants, leading
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the charge in that.
Way is our.
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Country’s future minister of
propaganda, Elon Musk.
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He’s been going hard in the
paint pushing a.
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Batshit theory.
That millions upon millions of
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non citizens have been
registered to vote in the 2024
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election.
And I know.
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He’s a silly.
Bitch and no one you know pays
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attention to his.
Bullshit, but the guy.
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Does have 197,000,000 Twitter
followers and it’s a highly
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unfortunate.
Reality that the.
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Demographic his rantings are
most likely to resonate with are
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Silicon Valley.
Techbro types who have.
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Plenty of money to throw behind
whatever initiative their hero.
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Says they should.
Including fighting election
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fraud in big air.
Quotes when you.
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Combine these claims with all
that nonsense about immigrants
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eating pets in Ohio.
Which is.
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The topic of next week’s You
don’t even like this show.
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For the record, what you get is
absolutely perfect.
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Conditions for some.
Actual purge type shit.
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To jump off because Elon Musk’s
claims don’t just resonate with
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tech Bros, in the show notes,
I’ll link to a very long
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Washington Post article that
includes interviews with state
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and local election officials all
around the country and one of
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the things they report.
Is that whenever?
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Elon Musk.
Posts a.
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Crazy election.
Theory, people start.
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Showing up at City Council
meetings and things of the.
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Like to push.
Those same theories like when on
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April. 4th of this year he.
Retweeted a claim.
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That quote.
The number of.
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Voters without a photo ID.
Is skyrocketing in three key
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swing.
States Arizona, Texas.
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And Pennsylvania end.
Quote his retweet.
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Was seen by some 37 million
people, and more than a few of
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them.
Picked up that theory.
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And ran with it, spreading it
far and wide.
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The problem is the claim isn’t
true when someone registers to
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vote without an ID.
They are referred to the Social
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Security.
Administration for verification
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That 2 million figure is the
number of people who.
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Were referred to the social.
Security Administration, It is
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in no.
Way shape.
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Or form an indication that 2
million non citizens.
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Registered to vote.
And just think of how stupid
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that claim is.
Arizona is registering.
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Non citizens to vote Arizona,
the state that passed an anti
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immigration law that was.
So Gestapo esque it was dubbed.
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The show.
Me your papers law that.
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Arizona Ground Zero for 2020
election fraud claims.
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Arizona they’re letting non
they’re letting non citizens
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register to vote in record
numbers.
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Of course not, that’s just one
of the states.
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It’s where people.
Are most.
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Likely to get riled up by.
Bullshit misinformation like
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this.
So you include him in the tweet?
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It’s propaganda And with Trump
talking about giving Elon Musk a
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cabinet position.
If he’s re elected.
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I’m comfortable saying it’s
state propaganda but.
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Because of shit like this.
Musk.
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‘S tweets also.
Tend to.
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Coincide with wild requests to
purge voter rolls.
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A thing that’s already happened
in.
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States like Ohio.
And Georgia and.
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Ah, purge.
There’s that word.
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Again, another piece of
misinformation Musk pushed on
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Twitter centers around a claim
that 47,000 non citizens would
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be.
Registered to vote.
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In Georgia, this claim comes
from a video made by a right
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winger named Anthony Rubin.
Where he goes.
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To a Norcross, GA, apartment
complex and claims he works at a
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company that helps Hispanic
people register.
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To vote?
He asks.
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Everyone in the video if they’re
U.S. citizens and if they’re.
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Registered to vote.
And a few of them seem to
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confirm that they are non
citizens.
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Who are registered to vote?
And oh, scandalous now Ruben
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claimed 14% of the.
People he talked to said.
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They were non citizen registered
voters and then he took that
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percentage and applied.
It to state figures.
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Showing the number of non
citizens in the state.
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And that’s how we arrived at the
notion that 47,000 non citizens.
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Would be registering to vote.
In Georgia, not even a hint of
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science in that methodology.
There’s also lots of problems
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with the video.
For one, the New York Times also
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visited that apartment complex
and talked to the people in that
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video.
And you’re not going to believe
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it.
A lot of them just.
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Told Anthony.
Rubin What they thought he
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wanted to hear in order to make
him.
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Go away, several others said
they.
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Lied about being registered to
vote.
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Because they were worried that
if they.
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Said they weren’t registered,
they’d be compelled.
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To register.
And that would put them on the
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radar of immigration
authorities, as pointed out in a
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Mother Jones.
Article we’ll link to by writer.
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Isabel Diaz non citizen voting
is damn near a non issue.
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Here’s a quote from that
article.
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A study.
By the Brennan Center for.
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Justice found.
That in the 2016 election
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election officials in 40. 2.
Jurisdictions overseeing the
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tabulation of 23.5 million votes
only.
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Referred about 30 cases of.
Suspected non citizen voting for
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investigation or prosecution.
End Quote.
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It’s also mentioned that data
compiled by the Heritage
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Foundation.
The conservative shit.
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Stains behind Project 2025 and
lots.
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Of other awful ideas over the
years, actually.
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Proves that non citizen voting
is a myth.
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An outfit called the American
Immigration Council.
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Analyzed the heritage.
Foundation’s database.
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Of. 15146 instances.
Of voter fraud.
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Dating back to the 1980s and
they found.
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Just 68.
Cases of non citizen voting
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again since the. 80s.
And only 10.
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Of those cases.
Involved undocumented
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immigrants.
So this is just blatant lies.
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Meant to incite hatred and
mistrust toward one.
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Particular group.
Nazi.
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Shit is what we used to call it.
That’s especially scary because.
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This is a claim that has already
made its way into more
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mainstream politics, and I use
that term loosely.
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With.
House Speaker Mike Johnson
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recently introducing the
safeguard American voter.
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Eligibility Act which?
Would make providing proof of
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citizenship a requirement.
To vote?
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Nevermind.
That millions of U.S. citizens
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don’t have a.
Passport or birth?
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Certificate to present when
registering to vote, depending
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on how long it takes.
To track those.
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Documents down an election
could.
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Very easily.
Come and go without that person
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being able to vote, and hey,
that’s fine.
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Voting is only the foundation of
our democracy, and one of the
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most.
Basic rights afforded.
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Us as American citizens, what’s
1 missed election, especially
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this one.
It doesn’t matter that much.
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You’ll get them next time, don’t
worry.
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About it.
Hey, let’s drop some good news
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in the midst of all this.
Chaos.
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In 2020, part of Trump’s scheme
to overturn the election
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involved gathering what have
come to be known as.
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Fake electors.
In seven states, mostly swing
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states, to sign certificates
declaring Trump.
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The Electoral College.
Winner in states where Biden
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actually won.
The good news?
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Is that a lot of those?
Co conspirators will not be
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returning to their election
certification roles in 2024.
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The bad news is that 14 of them
will be Michigan, Nevada, New
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Mexico and Pennsylvania.
Are all.
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Returning at least some of.
The fake electors.
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From 2020.
To their previous.
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Roles Wisconsin hasn’t named
their electors yet, but a legal
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settlement bars the 2020 bunch
from returning.
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Probably the biggest bit of good
news here is that.
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Arizona and Georgia.
Both the two.
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States where the 2020 results
were contested the hardest will
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not be returning any of the pro
Trump electors from 2020.
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I have no confirmation that that
doesn’t mean both states will be
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bringing more pro Trump electors
this time, but still it sounds
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like good news on paper.
Also.
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A lot of things that were
possible in 2020 in terms of
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contesting.
Election results are by law.
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No longer possible in 2024
thanks to.
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The passage of the.
Electoral count reform.
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ACT which plugged a lot of the
holes.
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That were in the certification
process in 2020.
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Still, if Trump loses, don’t
expect those 14 returning pro
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Trumpers to sign off on the
results.
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Quietly what’s?
Interesting about this.
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Part.
The part.
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Where state election officials
might just.
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Refuse to do their job.
If Trump loses.
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Is that it?
Will ultimately take
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responsibility for contesting
the election out of Trump’s
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hands.
He won’t need to fight it if
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election officials in swing
states contest it for him.
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And it seems like that’s the
plan here.
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It’s mentioned in an article.
We’ll link to.
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From the Minnesota reformer that
election, canvassers in
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particular seem to be getting
more and more aggressive on the
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Republican side of things.
Canvassers, if you’re
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unfamiliar.
Are the people who.
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Confirm that the number.
Of votes cast.
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Matches the number of ballots on
hand when voting is over.
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Sometimes the two don’t match
and it usually boils down to
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things like 2 ballots sticking
together when handed out, or
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someone getting a ballot and
then getting.
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Frustrated with?
Long wait times and leaving with
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that ballot in hand, those are
the kind of discrepancies
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they’re supposed to be concerned
with.
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They happen, and they’re almost
always explainable.
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But.
It’s those exact.
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Kind of discrepancies that
fueled the 2020 stolen election
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rumors, especially in Arizona
and now a bunch of
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fundamentalist Trump.
Supporters are.
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Getting on canvassing boards all
over the country and turning the
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certification process into more
of.
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A look for illegals voting.
Kind of process.
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Again, this really makes things
easy on Trump because he doesn’t
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have to be the one to challenge.
The results and.
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Do the normal thing, which is
to.
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Call.
For a recount that happens all
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the time part to the election
process.
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This way, his supporters.
Can just make claims and file.
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Lawsuits.
On his behalf.
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Which is exactly.
What happened in Michigan in
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2020 when a group of magafines.
Sued.
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To have votes in three Michigan
counties excluded from the final
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total, claiming there had been
quote issues and irregularities.
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It didn’t work, obviously, but I
imagine that isn’t going to stop
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any Trump types from trying
something similar this time
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around.
So.
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Given all the chaos surrounding
the 2024 election in their state
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in particular, this makes for a
great time for Arizona to
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introduce A2 page ballot.
Into the process for the.
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First time since 2000.
Six.
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There are a few different.
Reasons for it apparently one of
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them being that lawmakers in
droves sent ballot propositions
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to be voted on by the people
rather than risking having them
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vetoed by governor.
Katie Hobbs.
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This is.
Apparently the biggest.
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Factor in making Arizonae
ballots so much longer this time
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around.
Because with ballot.
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Initiatives you have.
To include a whole write up
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explaining what it’s about.
You aren’t just picking between
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two names, there are also an
unprecedented number.
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Of third party.
Candidates running for.
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Office so that.
Doesn’t help either.
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Longer ballots will mean voters
spending more time in the booth,
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which will lead to longer lines
which someone on some side.
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Is sure to.
Claim is clear and obvious.
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Proof.
That the election.
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Is rigged.
Oh.
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And also two page ballots tend
to jam in tabulation machines
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more often, which is ensure to
inspire.
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A Truth Social post or to just
altogether.
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Outstanding timing, Arizona.
I’m sure there will be no.
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Blowback at all?
From this decision and Speaking
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of blowback.
If Trump loses, obviously we
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should be.
Expecting chaos?
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What if he wins though?
I think we should still be
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expecting chaos.
He recently.
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Posted on Truth.
Social The.
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Following quote when I win
those.
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People that cheated will be
prosecuted to the fullest.
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Extent of the.
Law.
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Which will include long term
prison sentences.
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Please beware that this legal.
Exposure extends to.
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Lawyers.
Political operatives.
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Donors.
Illegal voters.
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And corrupt election officials.
End Quote.
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I know he keeps distancing
himself from it, but does anyone
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actually believe Trump and
Project 2025 have nothing to do
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with each other?
Most of the.
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Authors of it.
Are former Trump administration
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officials.
Who will?
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Probably be back if he manages
to serve a second term like Jean
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Hamilton, a former Department of
Justice official who served
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under Trump.
As covered by another Mother
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Jones writer, Pima Levy.
Hamilton wrote a section of the
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Project 2025 Mandate for
Leadership document that
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suggests sending the Department
of.
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Justice after any.
Local election official.
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Who passes?
A voting law the feds don’t
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like, ironically.
The basis?
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For his argument.
Is the. 1871 Ku Klux Klan.
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Act, a law that was passed to
protect the rights.
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Of former slaves, including the
right to vote, Hamilton points
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to a recent example where his
newfangled local election
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policing version.
Of the DOJ would.
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Swing into action and it’s kind
of horrifying.
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In 2020, Pennsylvania election
head Kathy Bookvar authorized
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counties to give provisional.
Ballots to voters.
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Whose mail in ballots?
Were disqualified for.
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Minor issues we’re talking about
things like having the wrong
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date on them, for example, so.
Kathy.
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Bookvar’s solution.
Was you toss that ballot out.
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And just give that person a
provisional ballot and let them
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vote that way.
Not against the law in the.
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Slightest the.
Decision led to.
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Absolutely 0 people.
Voting who shouldn’t have.
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Not a crime at all.
So right out of the gate.
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They’re making it.
Clear that they.
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Aren’t so much looking for
crimes as much.
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As they are people who strive.
To make elections fair in a way
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that doesn’t benefit King Trump.
And that’s pretty goddamn
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terrifying.
But again, Trump and Project
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2025 have nothing to do.
With each other so.
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It’s fine, right?
It’s fine.
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This is all fine.
OK, one last election related.
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Story and it.
Might be a lucrative one for
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you.
Do you?
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Think you know how this election
is going to end?
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Are you confident enough to put
some money on it?
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If so, great news.
That might be possible soon,
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like in a quasi legal DraftKings
kind of way.
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Even for the longest time,
betting on election outcomes has
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been very much illegal in this
country.
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But a federal.
Judge in Washington.
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Just struck down a.
Decision by the Commodity
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Futures Trading Commission, an
outfit.
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That I.
Absolutely knew existed and am
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highly knowledgeable about.
That.
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Prohibited a company from
offering bets on the outcome of
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congressional elections.
The CFTC initially shot down the
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idea proposed by a New York
based company called Kaushi, on
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the grounds that yes, no bets on
the outcome of congressional
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elections constituted gambling
that was not in the best
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interest.
Of the public.
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Unlike most other forms of
gambling.
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Which are great for the public.
Apparently gambling on
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elections.
Is a widespread.
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Thing in Europe, but no
jurisdiction in the United
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States has.
Ever allowed it?
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And a.
Lot of states straight up outlaw
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it.
Here’s a quote.
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From Kaushi about the decision
the Commission lost fair and
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square on the law.
It should not be allowed to
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snatch a procedural victory from
the.
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Jaws of defeat?
By running out the clock as the
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election nears Kaushi and the
public.
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Deserve access to the.
Contracts that the.
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CFTC has blocked for.
Too long already, End Quote.
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And honestly, I see no.
Way this.
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Could go wrong at all.
Gambling has been great for the
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integrity.
Of.
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Professional and college.
Sports both.
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And I have no doubt.
It will be great.
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For the integrity of our
elections also.
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If you disagree, I got 50 bucks.
It says you’re wrong and hey.
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