Conspiracy! The Show 299: The Lebanon Pager Attacks

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I.
Hey everybody, welcome to

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Conspiracy the Show.
I’m your host Adam Todd Brown.

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Joining me is guest Co host this
week at TIFF.

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Myers is here.
Hey, what’s up?

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I I’m used to your other like
intros where you’re like

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favorite Co host and nobody.
Yeah, I enjoy that one a lot.

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So.
I like to pull the rug out from

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underneath people every once in
a while and just go the guest Co

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host route.
And and since I’m here, I think

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your fans know it’s going to be
sad.

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Well, yeah, I mean, just the
fact that this is a conspiracy

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podcast in the year 2024, most
of what we talk about is sad

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over on this side of things.
This is super current.

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This happened right in the span
of time where I hadn’t booked a

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guest and had not figured out a
topic.

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I was going to do all that
yesterday and it just

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unfortunately fell right into my
lap.

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At first we were going to be
talking about the Lebanon pager

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attacks, but it has become so
much more since then.

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The Lebanon pager,
walkie-talkie, fingerprint

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reader, solar panel attacks it
seems.

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This is nuts.
This is fucking crazy.

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It just seems like Israel’s
infiltrated like every aspect of

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electronics in a country, and
it’s figured out how to just

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turn them into bombs.
They weaponize people as

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electronics.
And I think you mentioned this

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when we were texting about this,
but if Israel can do this, the

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United States can do this, and
they can probably make it a

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little more targeted than this
was.

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The reason I say this is because
like Israel and their ID FS been

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like the model for like the NYPD
for like years.

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So it’s like these terrorist
attacks about Israel, both on

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the Palestinians and the
Lebanese, kind of seen in like

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labs or like, you know what I
mean?

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Or just testing grounds for what
the NYPD could probably do.

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I mean, they just killed
somebody this week for hopping

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it like a turnstile, you know
what I mean?

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Like if, if they can pull like a
Rico and be like, let’s just

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give all these drug dealers or
like this crime syndicate

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fucking pagers and then blow
them up.

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Why?
That’s not out of the realm of

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possibility.
Yeah, because this had to, at

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least in some part, be an inside
thing because this required so

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much knowledge on the part of
Israel in terms of what

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Hezbollah’s plans were.
And I don’t know, I feel like

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there has to be someone within
Hezbollah who tipped Israel off.

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For sure.
I mean, it’s the only way they

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could have done this.
They have like a mole and I

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wouldn’t put it past them to
even if they had like just a spy

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on the inside.
Yeah, Yeah, I would assume they

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do.
And so before we talk about the

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actual attacks, I guess we
should do our best to talk about

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why they happened.
Because here’s the thing, Israel

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hasn’t even commented on it.
It’s just everyone knows that

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they did it, but they haven’t
said they did it.

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So we don’t have Israel coming
out officially and being like,

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here’s why.
And I personally think they

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didn’t really have a reason to
do it.

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Now, it’s been suggested that
Hezbollah found out about this

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plot.
And so Israel was like, all

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right, we got to do it right
now, which God, that makes it.

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I don’t know.
I don’t know if you could make

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it worse, but then you’re just
doing it for the fuck of it,

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kind of.
Well, I mean, Israel since like

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the since like October 7th and
it they’ve they’ve been like

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attacking Lebanon like on and
off since I want to say like

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maybe December with like
southern Lebanon with like white

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phosphorus bombs.
So they’ve been committing war

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crimes there already for the
last few months.

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Yeah.
And like, obviously, Lebanon and

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Hezbollah have been like,
retaliating, but they’ve just

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seen like, they’re just getting
like, skirmish, skirmishes like

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on and off for the last few
months.

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Yeah.
And one of the things Israel

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said right before this attack,
and I mean like right before,

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was that they were expanding
their war objectives to include

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returning residents of northern
Israel back to their homes.

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Because that area, that’s where
the border with Lebanon is, it’s

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South Lebanon is where they’re
sending bombs.

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And N Israel obviously is where
Lebanon would retaliate.

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So apparently like 60,000 people
have been displaced from

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northern Israel, and it seems
like Israel’s using that more as

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an excuse.
Yeah.

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As opposed to it being the
actual point.

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But they updated their war
objectives to include returning

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people to northern Israel, and
it seems like that is kind of

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the de facto explanation on
their part.

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But even then, not really.
No, it’s still.

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Pretty shitty.
Oh yeah, it’s shitty.

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I’m just saying I think that’s
the closest we’ve gotten to them

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saying why or providing what
they would deem justification

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for this.
Dude and again, like if any

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other country was like pulling
this shit they’d be condemned

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immediately.
Oh, yeah, If Iran did this, it

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would be on the news in the
United States all the time,

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which this, I mean, the news is
covering this.

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How can you not?
If China did it to like Taiwan,

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yeah, you know what I’m saying?
I mean, if you’re one of those

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Israel has a right to defend
themselves types, Imagine we

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were at war with China and China
did this within the United

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States.
Would you be like, oh man,

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that’s war.
War sucks.

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Like, that’s not war.
That’s beyond what is acceptable

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in war.
That’s war crimes is what that

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is.
And that part is not getting

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mentioned enough in American
media.

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Like your mainstream outlets
aren’t like there’s always going

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to be The Intercept and Newsweek
and shit like that, but like

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your New York Times, Washington
Post, stuff like that.

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No, I think what the New York
Post had like a pun involved.

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Like they had a pun headline of
like ring ring boom or

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something.
Oh, the New York.

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Post yeah.
So it’s like, and also I think

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the Western media is like a they
do a good job, quote UN quote of

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like it’s the labeling everybody
as like that terrorist group.

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So they’re like Israel bombed
3000 Hezbollahs, you know,

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whereas like most of that was
like actual civilians and

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Lebanese people.
Yeah, the people who died in the

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1st wave of attacks, I believe
there were 12 people who died,

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among them two kids and four
healthcare workers, which even

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then I know that.
The next question is though.

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Oh, so the other six were all
Hezbollah leaders, right?

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I don’t know.
Probably not.

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They’re probably.
Just.

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Civilians who weren’t as of note
as healthcare workers.

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Yeah, this was more than just
like physical terror.

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This is psychological terror.
Because one of the articles

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we’ll link to it came out right
after the first attacks.

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And they were like, this is
going to fuck with Hezbollah’s

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head because now they don’t know
if what if our walkie talkies

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are also rigged.
And then the next day the

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fucking walkie talkies start
blowing up.

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So the other war goals they have
elimination of Hamas and its

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military capabilities, return of
all hostages taken on October

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7th and ensuring that the Gaza
Strip no longer quote poses a

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threat to Israel.
All right, so just some really

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quick numbers before we carry
on. 1200 people were killed on

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October 7th.
Around 250 were taken hostages.

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Conservative estimates of the
number of people who died in

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Gaza since then is 41,000 plus.
Yeah, I’ve, I mean, I’ve seen

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like higher numbers obviously
from like independent European,

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like medical firms where they’re
just like, no, this isn’t, this

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isn’t hundreds of thousands
people that have died because

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they’re probably not even
factoring in people that have

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died of like famine, like
malnutrition or just, you know

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what I mean?
Because there’s other factors.

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Because they’ve just fucking
made Gaza completely desolate.

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Yeah, I don’t know how you could
even count.

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Like, if you look at what Gaza
looks like now, how would you

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even find all the dead people?
It gets just rubble.

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And a White House reporter
brought this up.

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I forget what White House
official they were talking to,

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but they were like, so Israel’s
just going to announce like a

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full on war next in that Lebanon
is the frontline, right?

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And the US response was like,
people got to decide what kind

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of lives they want to live and
what kind of future they want to

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have.
And it’s like, that’s as ominous

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as anything else I’ve heard
about this.

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That’s crazy.
That is a crazy response to an

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act of terror, like an act of
terror carried out by our ally.

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I don’t know what we’re getting
from them.

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I don’t know.
I’ve never it seems very one

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way.
Yeah, I think it’s just the

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presence in the Middle East
among like countries that don’t

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like us, but I don’t know.
I don’t, I don’t think they’ve

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done anything to help them like
us, though.

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And it’s like America’s,
America’s allied with like Saudi

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Arabia and like the UAE, which
are like the most powerful

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countries there.
Yeah, we know Saudi Arabia can

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get shit done.
Yeah.

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And like Egypt and like Jordan,
Yeah, it’s just a colonial power

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there, essentially.
Oh yeah, absolutely.

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And yeah, Israel and Hezbollah
have a long history of conflict.

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Obviously there was an actual
war in the mid 2000s.

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This is an actual war, yet it’s
just acts of terror carried out.

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But it’ll probably turn into
that.

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So let’s talk about these
attacks.

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Pagers, the first day, walkie
talkies, solar panels, all kinds

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of shit.
The second day first attack

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happened Tuesday, September 7th.
One of the first things that

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struck me as odd about this is
for the United States and pretty

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much anyone outside of Israel
not knowing that this attack was

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going to happen.
We had a shit ton of information

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about it pretty quick.
Yeah, like I saw people breaking

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down like pager models in like
the first couple hours.

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Yeah.
And it was crazy.

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And we’ll get into it later in a
minute, but it seems like they

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meaning whoever did this Israel
Mossad, I mean that’s one in the

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same, but.
Yeah.

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Whoever’s behind this, it seems
like they built these pagers

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like they made them, yeah.
So I, I don’t, I saw like in is,

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I was trying to find it for a
couple hour, like an hour or two

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yesterday, but saw like an
Israeli news story where they

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essentially like a report where
they broke down how it was made

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and how they’ve like configured
the parts to kind of look like

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pager parts, but they’re
functional.

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But they’re just essential aged
bombs that just react at like

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higher frequencies.
Yeah, I have way too many notes,

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so I had to cut it.
But one of the articles we were

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going to talk about is like a
history of bombs being made this

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way.
And one of the most fascinating

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examples was an explosive device
that was made to look like an

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ink cartridge in a printer.
And one of the things they

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mentioned is that printer ink
and this particular explosive

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have very similar chemical
properties.

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And then they used a circuit
from a Nokia cell phone.

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So when it went through airport
security, it didn’t set off any

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sort of alarms because it just
seemed like regular shit.

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Yeah, this is high tech stuff.
I mean, obviously, but sure.

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And so I think one of the first
questions people probably had,

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like the instinctive question
was who the fuck still using

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pagers?
And for one thing, like medical

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personnel still use a whole lot
first responders and things.

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But Hezbollah was concerned that
Israel was basically listening

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to their communications and
wanted to go with a more secure

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form of communication.
And also like being able to

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track them like it’s easier to
track on a cell phone.

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Yeah, yeah.
That’s one of the things I

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didn’t put in the notes that I
read about this.

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This attack is going to make it
way easier for Israel to kind of

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pinpoint where Hezbollah people
are because now they know where

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the explosions went off.
That’s true because there were

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even some explosions that went
off in like Syria.

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that when they decided to stop
using phones, and for the life

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of me, I don’t know why they did
this, they announced it during a

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live televised statement back in
February.

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Why, why, why would you announce
that live on TV?

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I.
Mean it’s mass communication,

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like it’s the easiest way to
reach him.

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But like, yeah, again, it
allowed Israel to infiltrate

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like their supply chain.
Yeah, so Israel obviously knew

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this was coming, this shift in
technology, and it seems like

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they injected themselves into
the process.

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The device they ended up going
with is the Apollo AR 924 pager,

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which, oh, that feels symbolic
that it’s AR as the first 2

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letters.
That’s sure, good tool to kill

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people in the United States with
also.

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Yeah, I know you were probably
going to get to it, but just

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like the sketchiness of these
pagers and like tracking down

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exactly where they came from.
I think NPR probably has the

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best reporting on that right
now, and we’ll link to their

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article in the show notes, but
we’ll also talk about it in a

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bit.
Yeah, the origin of these pagers

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is nuts, and it feels like
intelligence operation shit.

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Absolutely.
Like every detail of it.

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Well, because like, you can
track 5000 pagers, you can

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easily find out where you’re
going to get that from, you know

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what I mean?
Yeah, that’s such a fucking

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easily unique thing to, like,
try to source and figure out

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who’s going to get that.
So to infiltrate it probably

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pretty fucking easy.
And not just that, but the

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initial company that they
suspected these pagers came

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from, they cornered the market
on pagers because no one uses

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them anymore.
So once Israel heard Hezbollah

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say we’re going to switch our
communications, I’m sure the

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obvious leap in logic there is,
oh, going to go with pagers.

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Who do people get pagers from?
And conveniently, it’s like one

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guy in Taiwan who brought the
pager back.

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So yeah, in that way, this had
to be pretty easy to get that

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part.
It just had to be building the

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devices.
So there was a source that said,

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Speaking of having a lot of
details, that there were 3 grams

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of explosives planted in each
device.

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And it’s like, damn, how do we
know that already?

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Yeah.
Those devices were sent a

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message that appeared to be from
Hezbollah leadership on

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September 17th at 3:30 PM.
And after a couple seconds, that

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message caused the devices to
explode. 12 people killed on the

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first day, thousands more
injured.

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I think it was 2800.
Yeah, 2800, we already mentioned

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9 year old girl, 11 year old boy
and four healthcare workers were

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among the 12 dead.
I think it’s worth noting here

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these attacks happened exactly 1
day after Biden administration

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advisor Amos Hochstein met with
Netanyahu and Israeli Defense

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Minister Yoav Gallant.
But we had no idea this was

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happening.
A TIF.

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I know I didn’t like Yoav for
someone else under defense team

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like tweet something like where
they were just like got him

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essentially and then deleted it.
Oh, I don’t know about that, but

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that wouldn’t surprise me.
But he before this was basically

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like, yeah, we got to get people
back to northern Israel and

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military action’s the only way
we’re going to do it.

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And then this happened, which
this calling this military

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action, That’s a stretch.
This is terrorism.

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Yeah, the second attacks, what
happened the next day?

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Those were walkie talkies.
This was an even deadlier

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attack.
Killed 20 people, wounded more

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than 450.
I’m assuming just because it’s a

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bigger device than a pager, you
could probably get more

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explosives in it and like less
people.

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Would have a walkie-talkie than
a pager, especially obviously

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the medical field.
Yeah, yeah.

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Here’s an important detail.
A Hezbollah security source told

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Reuters that these walkie
talkies were purchased five

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months ago, around the same time
the pagers were purchased.

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But I also read another report
that said they were purchased in

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February.
So sometime between February and

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April is when these were
purchased.

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That’s going to be important
when we get to the conspiracy

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part of this episode.
Well, again, also other things

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like blowing up like solar
panels, fingerprint readers,

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like they infiltrated their
supply chain of tech and I don’t

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know like that happened here.
I would fucking, I would stay

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the fuck away from every tech
that I purchased recently.

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You know what I mean?
Yeah, absolutely.

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Like like these fucking
earphones.

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Thank God I bought them like a
year ago.

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Like, you know, it’s just like
I’m, I’d be so fucking paranoid.

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Yeah, I just bought a pair of
headphones and if this was

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happening here, you’re right.
I’d be like, well, I’m not not

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putting those in my fucking
ears.

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So in terms of the walkie
talkies, it seems like it’s

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going to be hard to track down
where those came from.

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There’s pictures circulating
that show they come from a

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company called Icom, which is
based in Japan.

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The problem is those devices,
the walkie talkies, the company

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phased them out in 2014,
including the batteries needed

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to power them.
So that was probably some black

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market.
So again, I’ve been in the

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security industry for a while.
So like some camera companies,

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right, they will be able to have
their cameras, especially now

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with like the rise of school
shooters, they’ll be able now,

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they are now able to have like
their cameras, like integrate

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with people’s walkie talkies.
Like no matter how long ago you

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bought them based off like R
frequencies to be like there’s

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an emergency.
So even if these fucking walkie

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talkies were like 20 years old,
all you need is obviously they

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infiltrated like they
infiltrated their supply chain,

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but like just RF frequencies
have never fucking gone out of

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style.
There’s not obsolete.

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We still use them daily.
Like it wasn’t like, again, it

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wasn’t complicated.
It wasn’t fucking complicated at

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all.
This reminds me of a thing that

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happened in the United States
where I think it was maybe 2014

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also sometime around then.
But we found out that the FBI

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had teamed up with the Best Buy
Geek Squad, and they were like,

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hey, there’s certain people
where if a computer from them

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comes in, we’re going to want
you to notify us so we can look

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through that computer.
Governments can get to your

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shit.
Yeah, absolutely.

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Like super easy.
And so might be harder to track

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the walkie talkies, but the
pagers we know quite a bit

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about.
And again, I’ll link to an NPR

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article that went deep into
where these came from.

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The pagers in question again, AR
924, in theory they are made by

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a Taiwan based company called
Gold Apollo.

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But the founder of Gold Apollo
guy named SU Ching Quang, we’ll

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just call him SU from now on,
was the.

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Pronunciation.
Yeah, I don’t know.

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I don’t know if I nailed it or
not.

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I you sounded pretty confident.
Yeah, I just delivered it with

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confidence, but inside I’ll.
Take it.

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Quivering.
He was, like I mentioned

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earlier, kind of celebrated in
Taiwan for bringing the pager

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back to life.
And this was, I think maybe 10

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years ago, something like that.
And his whole thing was, well,

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we’ll just sell them to foreign
governments.

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That was the pivot.
And it brought pagers back to

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life and it seems like it was
just this guy that did it.

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Also isn’t like the easiest
thing in the world to do to just

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sell to a foreign government?
Like you have to have previous

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contacts.
Yeah.

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You know what I mean?
Like again, in sales like you

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have to I I just can’t call up
like Andrews Air Force Base and

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it’s like, yo, give me the head
Dr. like in Pyramid, they’ll be

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like, no, there’s steps to
follow.

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So.
Yeah, I don’t know.

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They must have just sold it to 1
and that got the ball rolling.

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I don’t know.
Who knows.

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And so he also at one point
claimed the FBI as a client.

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So that’s interesting.
Go figure.

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According to the NPR Tickle Sue
claims he was approached 3 years

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ago by a Taiwanese woman who he
only knew as Teresa, who said

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she was a local Rep for a
Hungary based company called BAC

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Consulting.
Here’s my thing.

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He talks about how they
negotiated for two months and

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she was flying back and forth to
Europe to talk to her contacts

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there.
But this whole time he never got

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her last name.
I mean.

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They’re usually on business
cards.

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I would think or on the
documents you’re signing or

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something.
Yeah, no.

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And it’s usually something.
Yeah, that part seems weird to

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me.
Along the way, Teresa told him

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the company also had interests
in East Africa, but never

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mentioned Lebanon.
And when I heard that, I was

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like, oh, yeah.
So this is military intelligence

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of some sort.
Yeah, a matter of what country.

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And it’s probably like I
reflexively always go to CIA,

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but that’s just because I live
in the United States.

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It’s probably Mossad but could
be a team up.

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You know, collabo.
If somebody’s bringing back like

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a dead form of technology,
right, that’s harder to track by

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governments, but then he’s kind
of selling it to governments

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Then like some sort of
intelligence agency is going to

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be like, yo, I need to get my
fucking hands in this to know

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what these other governments are
fucking doing or who’s

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communicating with what.
Yeah, I mean, that had to be the

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whole plan was all right.
Well, pagers are back.

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See, I think this, and I don’t
have any proof of this, this is

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just my, my gut, but I think
this plot started with them at

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least finding out that pagers
were a thing again and that they

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were being sold to foreign
governments.

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And by that I mean Israel.
I feel like once you find that

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out, it wouldn’t be impossible
to get someone, if you have

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someone on the inside in
Hezbollah to just kind of over

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the course of time, get them to
start pushing leadership on the

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idea that, hey, we need to, you
know, smartphones, the

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government’s all over
smartphones.

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Israel’s probably spying on our
phones.

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We should probably just switch
to a different communication

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system.
And once they agree, you just

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fucking drop these poison
goddamn pagers into the supply

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chain.
Which I just don’t know why you

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wouldn’t go back to like dumb
phones, right?

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Yeah, yeah.
Like get those old Nokia bricks.

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I wonder if it was an
availability thing because those

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also are going to operate well.
Yeah, I don’t know if those

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would be as easy to track, but
right, yeah, I don’t know.

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I bet it was an availability
thing because I would have been

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like, well, where are we going
to find 5000 pagers?

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And they’re like, oh, there’s a
guy in Taiwan.

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It’s like, oh, OK.
But brick phones, I don’t think

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anyone’s which there is a case
to be made for those huge

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phones.
I used to work at a cell phone

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company and it was early 2000s,
actually eight 90s.

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And it was at a point where we
were already carrying around

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smaller phones that we could fit
in our pocket.

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But we would get people who
would call in all the time and

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would switch their service from
that phone to the gigantic bag

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phone that they also had because
those have bigger antennas and

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get better service in remote
areas.

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So like if people were going
camping, they would switch their

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service to that bag phone
because in those remote areas it

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still worked.
But I’m even talking about like

437
00:24:27,200 –> 00:24:30,640
those phones, like in the early
2000s where they didn’t even

438
00:24:30,640 –> 00:24:33,440
have cameras yet, you know?
Yeah, we could play Snake on it.

439
00:24:33,880 –> 00:24:36,320
Oh yeah.
I, I think smartphones are

440
00:24:36,320 –> 00:24:38,680
easier to track because of the
built in, like Internet

441
00:24:38,680 –> 00:24:40,600
connectivity with the data,
right.

442
00:24:40,600 –> 00:24:42,600
So you’re not even, you’re not
just getting cell phone signals,

443
00:24:42,600 –> 00:24:44,880
you’re getting like Wi-Fi and
shit and GPS.

444
00:24:45,360 –> 00:24:46,880
Yeah.
So where’s those older phones?

445
00:24:46,880 –> 00:24:49,320
You just like got fucking cell
phone signals.

446
00:24:49,520 –> 00:24:52,920
Yeah, that’s probably right.
But pagers fuck.

447
00:24:53,160 –> 00:24:57,640
So back to the supplier of these
pagers.

448
00:24:57,800 –> 00:25:02,760
Sue says that about a year
later, BAC came back and asked

449
00:25:02,760 –> 00:25:06,800
if they could design their own
products under his company’s

450
00:25:06,920 –> 00:25:11,280
trademark, and he agreed.
But, and there’s a very long

451
00:25:11,280 –> 00:25:15,280
section about this where when
they approached him about this,

452
00:25:15,280 –> 00:25:18,960
he was like, these devices
you’re making, they’re ugly and

453
00:25:18,960 –> 00:25:21,840
they’re really bulky.
Why don’t you just use my

454
00:25:21,840 –> 00:25:24,520
devices instead?
It’s going to save you money.

455
00:25:24,640 –> 00:25:26,080
You don’t have to build your own
stuff.

456
00:25:26,080 –> 00:25:29,800
And they were like, no, no, no,
we want these bulkier pagers.

457
00:25:30,200 –> 00:25:33,520
And it’s like, I wonder why you
need them to be bulkier.

458
00:25:33,720 –> 00:25:34,960
What are you trying to fit in
there?

459
00:25:35,200 –> 00:25:36,680
Fucking bombs.
Yeah.

460
00:25:36,760 –> 00:25:42,360
So it seems like these pagers
were designed specifically to be

461
00:25:42,440 –> 00:25:47,800
weapons of terror, kind of.
And so he also noted that the

462
00:25:47,800 –> 00:25:52,960
payment from BAC actually came
because BAC is registered in

463
00:25:52,960 –> 00:25:58,280
Hungary, Budapest, Hungary, but
all of his payments came from a

464
00:25:58,280 –> 00:26:02,360
bank account located in the
Middle East that was blocked at

465
00:26:02,360 –> 00:26:04,720
least once by his bank in
Taiwan.

466
00:26:04,800 –> 00:26:08,200
So then it’s like, was that
Hezbollah or was that Mossad?

467
00:26:08,360 –> 00:26:12,520
Probably Mossad at this point.
Yeah, I would suspect Mossad at

468
00:26:12,520 –> 00:26:15,880
that point also.
There’s even like deeper

469
00:26:15,920 –> 00:26:20,200
conspiratorial links where a lot
of Middle Eastern conspiracy

470
00:26:20,200 –> 00:26:23,560
theorists, I guess, are kind of
under the thought that like,

471
00:26:23,680 –> 00:26:27,000
Israel and Mossad are the ones
that are like fucking creating

472
00:26:27,000 –> 00:26:28,520
all these terror groups to begin
with.

473
00:26:28,920 –> 00:26:31,640
Yeah, that’s a thing that’s been
thrown around about the United

474
00:26:31,640 –> 00:26:37,040
States also, is that, I mean,
especially with ISIS, there

475
00:26:37,040 –> 00:26:38,640
were.
Lots.

476
00:26:39,160 –> 00:26:43,560
Of suggestions that the United
States had a bigger hand in

477
00:26:43,560 –> 00:26:47,600
making ISIS happen beyond just,
oh, well, we reduced those

478
00:26:47,600 –> 00:26:50,400
countries to rubble, and that’s
naturally going to produce

479
00:26:50,400 –> 00:26:53,360
terrorists.
It seems like more than that

480
00:26:53,600 –> 00:26:58,720
because there’s an obvious
benefit to the United States war

481
00:26:58,720 –> 00:27:02,480
machine, having anyone wreaking
havoc in the Middle East,

482
00:27:02,480 –> 00:27:06,080
because then we can be like, we
got to get involved, baby, and

483
00:27:06,120 –> 00:27:08,680
that’s how we make our money.
And I’ve heard that about

484
00:27:08,680 –> 00:27:13,080
Netanyahu also, that with Hamas
and Hezbollah both, he’s not

485
00:27:13,080 –> 00:27:17,560
been completely unresponsible
for them becoming a thing.

486
00:27:17,560 –> 00:27:19,080
Yeah.
Especially like Hamas.

487
00:27:19,600 –> 00:27:21,520
Yeah, because Hamas is super
recent.

488
00:27:21,840 –> 00:27:25,160
Right.
It came into power in 2008.

489
00:27:25,160 –> 00:27:26,840
I believe.
There’s more like a political

490
00:27:26,840 –> 00:27:29,160
party.
And most of the people, they

491
00:27:29,160 –> 00:27:31,640
didn’t even get like the
majority vote, I believe, right.

492
00:27:31,880 –> 00:27:35,680
And the people that did vote for
him, most of them don’t exist

493
00:27:35,680 –> 00:27:40,000
anymore because the Palestinian
like age is like so young just

494
00:27:40,000 –> 00:27:42,680
because they fucking get killed
when they’re older.

495
00:27:42,840 –> 00:27:48,280
Yeah, and I mean you.
It’s not hard to figure out why

496
00:27:48,320 –> 00:27:53,640
a group like Hamas or Hezbollah
would gain more and more members

497
00:27:53,680 –> 00:27:57,520
over the years.
It’s because what countries like

498
00:27:57,520 –> 00:28:00,640
Israel do in the Middle East.
It’s because of what the United

499
00:28:00,640 –> 00:28:03,960
States does in the Middle East.
I have no doubt that most of

500
00:28:03,960 –> 00:28:05,840
these groups started out very
fringe.

501
00:28:05,840 –> 00:28:08,720
But we’ll get to quotes later
where even with this attack,

502
00:28:08,880 –> 00:28:11,760
there’s people in Lebanon who
are like, listen, a lot of

503
00:28:11,760 –> 00:28:16,240
people who didn’t back Hezbollah
before back Hezbollah now.

504
00:28:16,400 –> 00:28:19,600
And like, why wouldn’t you?
Like, why the fuck wouldn’t you?

505
00:28:19,600 –> 00:28:22,600
They’re they’re not the ones
putting bombs in 3000 fucking

506
00:28:22,600 –> 00:28:27,000
pagers and setting them off in
public marketplaces like.

507
00:28:27,160 –> 00:28:30,280
Just.
Out in the world, Nuts.

508
00:28:30,760 –> 00:28:34,960
So there’s one last weird detail
about BAC Consulting.

509
00:28:35,000 –> 00:28:39,400
NPR downloaded annual reports
for the last couple of years for

510
00:28:39,400 –> 00:28:42,080
that company.
They show the firm is registered

511
00:28:42,080 –> 00:28:46,320
to one person, a woman named
Christiana Barsani Arquita Kono,

512
00:28:46,520 –> 00:28:54,760
and their books showed a balance
of $320 as of May of this year.

513
00:28:54,840 –> 00:28:59,280
So that’s not weird at all
because if that’s May and these

514
00:28:59,280 –> 00:29:04,160
pagers were sold in February,
between February and April,

515
00:29:04,200 –> 00:29:06,120
where’s that money?
I mean, I get that she might

516
00:29:06,120 –> 00:29:09,920
have had expenses to as far as
where that money went, but if

517
00:29:09,920 –> 00:29:16,080
nothing else, that $320 thing to
me, if she is just an innocent

518
00:29:16,240 –> 00:29:20,720
middle person in this as opposed
to being like intelligence

519
00:29:21,040 –> 00:29:25,160
herself, that speaks to her
being really susceptible to

520
00:29:25,160 –> 00:29:28,120
someone coming to her and being
like, looks like your company is

521
00:29:28,120 –> 00:29:31,720
about to fucking fail.
But we have a deal we can get

522
00:29:31,720 –> 00:29:33,120
you involved in.
You’re going to have to do it

523
00:29:33,120 –> 00:29:36,160
off the books and you’re going
to have to accept some

524
00:29:36,160 –> 00:29:40,040
concessions on our part, but we
could help you out because that

525
00:29:40,040 –> 00:29:43,160
that’s her job.
Like her BAC consulting, they

526
00:29:43,160 –> 00:29:47,520
list their like about us.
Their mission statement is

527
00:29:47,680 –> 00:29:51,000
bringing technology from Asia
into Hungary.

528
00:29:51,040 –> 00:29:53,720
So that’s what she did.
Someone knew they could contact

529
00:29:53,720 –> 00:29:57,600
her about that.
And if they had $320 on the

530
00:29:57,600 –> 00:30:00,760
books as of May of this year, I
could see someone being like,

531
00:30:00,960 –> 00:30:03,080
that’s like an.
Account, dude, that’s an account

532
00:30:03,080 –> 00:30:05,120
to like keep a business account
open.

533
00:30:05,320 –> 00:30:07,040
And it’s like an amount, you
know, I mean, it’s like the

534
00:30:07,040 –> 00:30:09,480
minimum amount you probably need
to keep a business account open.

535
00:30:09,760 –> 00:30:12,880
Yeah, everything about this
seems like a front.

536
00:30:12,880 –> 00:30:14,920
Have you looked at the business
itself?

537
00:30:15,000 –> 00:30:16,800
Have you seen the pictures?
Dude, I’ve seen the pictures

538
00:30:16,800 –> 00:30:19,280
where it’s like in some fucking
building with just a bunch of

539
00:30:19,320 –> 00:30:22,240
other things there on the front
front placard where it’s like

540
00:30:22,720 –> 00:30:25,480
it’s a physical address but
nobody’s been there apparently.

541
00:30:25,800 –> 00:30:28,360
It’s like a residential
building.

542
00:30:28,440 –> 00:30:31,520
It’s like a two-story house
basically, or a townhouse or

543
00:30:31,520 –> 00:30:33,040
something.
It’s in the middle of a

544
00:30:33,040 –> 00:30:36,840
residential neighborhood and it
just has a paper sign on the

545
00:30:36,840 –> 00:30:40,280
front door that says BAC
consulting.

546
00:30:40,400 –> 00:30:45,280
And it’s like, that’s like when
I see like a wig shop open still

547
00:30:45,280 –> 00:30:48,080
in LA and it’s like, what are
you a front for?

548
00:30:48,120 –> 00:30:52,160
There’s no way you’re moving
that many wigs in a storefront

549
00:30:52,160 –> 00:30:54,560
in LA.
Fucking shoe repairman.

550
00:30:54,840 –> 00:30:57,480
Yeah, exactly.
Like I remember when I when I

551
00:30:57,480 –> 00:31:01,400
lived in Glendale, just on the
main streets where just like old

552
00:31:01,400 –> 00:31:04,520
tiny businesses like shoe
repairman, fucking sewing

553
00:31:04,520 –> 00:31:07,880
machine fixers.
And I’m like, yeah, OK, I’m not

554
00:31:07,880 –> 00:31:09,760
going to go in there.
Yeah, stores that just sell

555
00:31:09,760 –> 00:31:13,120
bathtubs, it’s like, come on,
stop it.

556
00:31:13,480 –> 00:31:16,920
And yeah, that’s what her
business looks like because she,

557
00:31:16,920 –> 00:31:19,720
I don’t think she lived there.
It’s just like because she’s not

558
00:31:19,720 –> 00:31:23,160
from Hungary, she’s I believe
from England, or she was

559
00:31:23,160 –> 00:31:25,600
educated in England.
She might not be there.

560
00:31:25,600 –> 00:31:28,240
But her quote, I don’t make the
pagers.

561
00:31:28,240 –> 00:31:30,960
I’m just the intermediate.
I think you got it wrong.

562
00:31:31,120 –> 00:31:33,000
End Quote.
She sounds like Lee Harvey

563
00:31:33,000 –> 00:31:35,760
Oswald right now.
That was him after JFK.

564
00:31:35,760 –> 00:31:37,600
He was like, I’m just a fucking
Patsy, man.

565
00:31:37,760 –> 00:31:42,760
I didn’t do this and it’s very
possible that she didn’t know

566
00:31:42,760 –> 00:31:44,280
what she was doing.
Sure.

567
00:31:44,440 –> 00:31:47,640
But like, it’s funny because
what you told me about this

568
00:31:47,640 –> 00:31:50,760
episode, I was like, there’s no
way conspiracies for this can be

569
00:31:50,760 –> 00:31:53,480
formed so quick.
And it’s like, I’m wrong.

570
00:31:53,760 –> 00:31:57,680
I am so fucking wrong.
Yeah, this will link to a couple

571
00:31:57,680 –> 00:32:01,400
articles about her.
There’s there’s one from The

572
00:32:01,400 –> 00:32:05,480
Independent, which is a British
publication that’s especially

573
00:32:05,480 –> 00:32:08,200
interesting.
It goes into more details about

574
00:32:08,200 –> 00:32:12,640
her.
She’s highly, highly educated.

575
00:32:12,800 –> 00:32:17,120
And when I say that, I mean she
got a PhD in physics and then

576
00:32:17,120 –> 00:32:22,080
kept going to school after that.
So I also wouldn’t be surprised

577
00:32:22,120 –> 00:32:26,960
if she had at least some insight
into how to build these things

578
00:32:27,360 –> 00:32:30,440
and, you know, make them explode
when you needed them to.

579
00:32:30,560 –> 00:32:33,600
A PhD in physics isn’t nothing.
That’s not.

580
00:32:34,480 –> 00:32:37,880
That’s not a degree you get
because you have a lot of money

581
00:32:37,880 –> 00:32:40,480
from your parents and you just
don’t want to start working.

582
00:32:40,600 –> 00:32:44,040
Like, you got to be fucking
smart to get a PhD in physics.

583
00:32:44,040 –> 00:32:47,560
That’s goddamn Carl Sagan stuff.
Yeah, Jesus.

584
00:32:47,760 –> 00:32:51,480
So I don’t know how much to
trust that woman.

585
00:32:51,560 –> 00:32:56,560
One thing I did find looking
into BAC Consulting is it is an

586
00:32:56,560 –> 00:33:01,000
unfortunately common business
name out there in the world.

587
00:33:01,200 –> 00:33:04,160
Fucking redirect the names,
redirect the letters.

588
00:33:04,160 –> 00:33:07,080
It’s ABC Consulting, you know, I
mean, it’s just a fucking phony

589
00:33:07,080 –> 00:33:10,520
fucking name.
Yeah, and there I found at least

590
00:33:10,520 –> 00:33:14,120
one BAC consulting business that
has a huge banner on their

591
00:33:14,120 –> 00:33:18,040
website that’s like, this is not
the BAC consulting that’s

592
00:33:18,040 –> 00:33:21,640
involved with the pager attacks,
which that’s got to be such a

593
00:33:21,640 –> 00:33:22,920
thing.
I bet people are getting

594
00:33:23,200 –> 00:33:26,800
inundated with calls from
dummies who find the first BAC

595
00:33:27,760 –> 00:33:30,840
consulting they can find on
LinkedIn and are like why did

596
00:33:30,840 –> 00:33:34,160
you bomb Hezbollah like.
Dude imagine imagine working for

597
00:33:34,160 –> 00:33:35,840
that company and this news comes
out.

598
00:33:35,840 –> 00:33:38,160
The BAC Consulting bought it or
was.

599
00:33:38,280 –> 00:33:40,880
It’s like the intermediary and
you’re like, holy fuck, we got

600
00:33:40,880 –> 00:33:43,040
to this is we got to change
fucking everything.

601
00:33:43,680 –> 00:33:47,960
Yeah, it kind of reminds me of
when Season 1 of Archer came

602
00:33:47,960 –> 00:33:50,720
out, and then ISIS came out like
a year later.

603
00:33:50,880 –> 00:33:54,560
And like ISIS, was the name of
the group Archer worked for.

604
00:33:55,000 –> 00:33:56,600
Really.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

605
00:33:56,840 –> 00:34:00,480
I think that’s how it went.
I know ISIS was a group in the

606
00:34:00,480 –> 00:34:02,960
show Archer, and I’m pretty sure
it was the name of the

607
00:34:02,960 –> 00:34:06,720
organization he worked for.
And then actual ISIS happened

608
00:34:06,800 –> 00:34:08,560
about a year later.
Whoops.

609
00:34:08,719 –> 00:34:13,000
So yeah, I feel like we’re not
getting the whole story out of

610
00:34:13,000 –> 00:34:15,120
this woman.
And I mean, that doesn’t

611
00:34:15,120 –> 00:34:17,280
surprise me.
Why would she be like, Oh yeah,

612
00:34:17,280 –> 00:34:19,000
we orchestrated this like, well,
you know what I mean?

613
00:34:19,000 –> 00:34:21,199
There’s no benefit for her to do
that.

614
00:34:21,480 –> 00:34:23,639
She also looks like a spy.
Really.

615
00:34:24,159 –> 00:34:26,560
Oh, did you look at it?
I mean, she looks like a spy the

616
00:34:26,560 –> 00:34:30,159
way Angelina Jolie looks like a
spy in that she kind of looks

617
00:34:30,159 –> 00:34:33,719
like Angelina Jolie.
And, you know, she was in that

618
00:34:33,719 –> 00:34:36,159
Salt movie.
But yeah, she’s got

619
00:34:36,280 –> 00:34:38,440
international intrigue looks.
Yeah.

620
00:34:39,239 –> 00:34:42,480
If she approaches you in a bar
and you work for a government,

621
00:34:42,560 –> 00:34:44,719
don’t go for it.
When she starts hitting on you,

622
00:34:44,920 –> 00:34:47,000
she’s out of your league.
She just wants your secrets.

623
00:34:47,400 –> 00:34:49,800
She does have crazy eyes, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

624
00:34:51,199 –> 00:34:56,480
So one of the things that I’ve
seen talked about in regards to

625
00:34:56,480 –> 00:35:00,920
this, and I mean, I guess why
people are asking, but was this

626
00:35:00,920 –> 00:35:03,400
really a war crime?
And it’s like, well, first of

627
00:35:03,400 –> 00:35:06,560
all, it’s just terrorism.
That’s one thing.

628
00:35:06,600 –> 00:35:10,400
Like, it’s beyond a war crime.
I don’t know which is higher on

629
00:35:10,400 –> 00:35:13,360
the hierarchy of dastardly acts,
but I.

630
00:35:13,360 –> 00:35:15,560
Think they’re I think they’re
like synonymous, right?

631
00:35:15,680 –> 00:35:19,040
Yeah, they got to be pretty much
the same, but we’ll link to a

632
00:35:19,040 –> 00:35:21,640
few different articles about it.
There’s one that was published

633
00:35:21,640 –> 00:35:26,840
on the West Point website that
uses a lot of legal talk to like

634
00:35:26,840 –> 00:35:30,760
kind of tap dance around whether
this was a war crime or not.

635
00:35:30,760 –> 00:35:34,040
And it’s like, of course you’re
not going to come right out and

636
00:35:34,040 –> 00:35:38,880
say it at this point, but but it
seems like most sources and

637
00:35:38,880 –> 00:35:43,320
experts seem to agree that just
the lack of regard for civilian

638
00:35:43,320 –> 00:35:48,360
casualties alone is a war crime
according to several different

639
00:35:48,640 –> 00:35:52,040
statutes.
And also disregarding how much

640
00:35:52,200 –> 00:35:55,440
civilian casualty there would be
because they didn’t have any way

641
00:35:55,440 –> 00:35:57,640
of knowing where these devices
were going to go off.

642
00:35:57,880 –> 00:35:59,720
No.
When the walkie talkies went

643
00:35:59,720 –> 00:36:01,480
off, one of them went off at a
funeral like.

644
00:36:01,800 –> 00:36:05,120
One of them I the clip going
around is a guy who’s like a

645
00:36:05,120 –> 00:36:08,120
grocery store clerk and he’s
fucking by the watermelons and

646
00:36:08,120 –> 00:36:10,320
his shit blows up.
Yeah, there’s a kid right next

647
00:36:10,320 –> 00:36:11,640
to him.
Yeah, and kids looking up like

648
00:36:11,640 –> 00:36:14,560
who the fuck hit this guy?
Yeah, there’s a former State

649
00:36:14,560 –> 00:36:17,960
Department official who was
interviewed by The Intercept,

650
00:36:18,240 –> 00:36:21,760
and he points to something
called the Convention on Certain

651
00:36:21,960 –> 00:36:25,720
Conventional Weapons that
prohibits, quote, the use of

652
00:36:25,720 –> 00:36:29,760
booby traps or other devices in
the form of harmless portable

653
00:36:29,760 –> 00:36:33,680
objects which are specifically
designed and constructed to

654
00:36:33,680 –> 00:36:36,520
contain explosive material.
End Quote.

655
00:36:36,680 –> 00:36:39,680
And so that’s that would also
include like putting a bomb

656
00:36:39,680 –> 00:36:42,920
inside what looks like a
wrapped, Yeah.

657
00:36:43,400 –> 00:36:45,480
Or like a sandwich.
Like a fucking.

658
00:36:45,600 –> 00:36:48,560
They would Bugs Bunny with it.
And just leaving it out for

659
00:36:48,560 –> 00:36:50,640
someone to find, like, you don’t
know who’s going to find that.

660
00:36:50,640 –> 00:36:52,640
Could be a kid that finds it.
You never know.

661
00:36:53,160 –> 00:36:58,720
And it is a thing that Israel,
Lebanon and the United States

662
00:36:58,840 –> 00:37:02,720
all agreed to was that we would
not do this.

663
00:37:02,880 –> 00:37:06,560
And seems like we did it.
I mean, Israel, definitely not

664
00:37:06,960 –> 00:37:08,840
us.
Oh, man.

665
00:37:09,000 –> 00:37:13,640
And here are a couple of quotes.
Also, just to further drive home

666
00:37:13,720 –> 00:37:17,080
the idea that this was a war
crime, this is Jessica Peak,

667
00:37:17,120 –> 00:37:19,720
international law professor at
UCLA School of Law.

668
00:37:19,880 –> 00:37:22,920
I think detonating pagers in
people’s pockets without any

669
00:37:22,920 –> 00:37:26,840
knowledge of where those are in
that moment is a pretty evident

670
00:37:26,920 –> 00:37:30,160
indiscriminate attack.
I think this seems to be quite

671
00:37:30,160 –> 00:37:33,760
blatant, both violations of
proportionality and

672
00:37:33,760 –> 00:37:35,920
indiscriminate attacks.
End Quote.

673
00:37:36,040 –> 00:37:40,200
And then this is Volcker, UN
High Commissioner for Human

674
00:37:40,200 –> 00:37:42,240
Rights.
Simultaneous targeting of

675
00:37:42,240 –> 00:37:45,680
thousands of individuals,
whether civilians or members of

676
00:37:45,680 –> 00:37:49,000
armed groups, without knowledge
as to who was in possession of

677
00:37:49,000 –> 00:37:52,320
the targeted devices, their
location and their surroundings

678
00:37:52,320 –> 00:37:55,320
at the time of the attack
violates international human

679
00:37:55,320 –> 00:37:58,640
rights law and, to the extent
applicable, international

680
00:37:58,640 –> 00:38:01,000
humanitarian law.
End Quote.

681
00:38:01,200 –> 00:38:04,880
Again, Israel has had like a
nearly a year of going hard on

682
00:38:04,880 –> 00:38:09,120
war crimes, so not surprised.
Yeah, there aren’t there

683
00:38:09,120 –> 00:38:12,160
warrants out for yes, Yahoo over
then.

684
00:38:12,160 –> 00:38:13,640
Yahoo and his defense minister,
yeah.

685
00:38:13,840 –> 00:38:19,000
Yeah, for targeting civilians,
using starvation as a weapon.

686
00:38:19,400 –> 00:38:23,120
So I mean, in the big scheme of
things, as crazy as it sounds,

687
00:38:23,120 –> 00:38:27,040
this is kind of minor in terms
of the shit Israel has gotten up

688
00:38:27,040 –> 00:38:29,880
to over the past year or so.
This.

689
00:38:29,880 –> 00:38:33,560
Past year they’ve killed more
kids than like any other

690
00:38:33,560 –> 00:38:36,360
conflict or any other country in
the last century, you know what

691
00:38:36,360 –> 00:38:38,200
I mean?
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s

692
00:38:38,200 –> 00:38:42,000
a 9/11 worth of kids alone.
It’s like over 20,000, like it’s

693
00:38:42,000 –> 00:38:42,680
a lot of fucking.
Kids.

694
00:38:42,720 –> 00:38:44,720
Oh, so that’s like. 69 elevens
at least.

695
00:38:44,880 –> 00:38:48,040
Yeah, 789 elevens.
Yeah, we refuse to use metrics,

696
00:38:48,040 –> 00:38:49,400
so we measure things at 911,
Yeah.

697
00:38:51,560 –> 00:38:55,960
So I guess we have reached the
conspiracy section of this

698
00:38:55,960 –> 00:39:00,040
episode in that we know who did
this, we roughly know why they

699
00:39:00,040 –> 00:39:02,520
did it.
What we don’t know is how

700
00:39:02,520 –> 00:39:05,400
involved the United States was
in all of this.

701
00:39:05,600 –> 00:39:08,120
And here’s the thing.
We know.

702
00:39:08,360 –> 00:39:11,520
Like we know if the United
States knew, like the United

703
00:39:11,520 –> 00:39:14,600
States had to fucking know.
It’s just.

704
00:39:14,600 –> 00:39:16,720
Green light it.
I think at least they green

705
00:39:16,720 –> 00:39:17,640
light it.
Yeah.

706
00:39:17,800 –> 00:39:21,280
And that’s kind of our job when
it comes to Israel is to like,

707
00:39:21,280 –> 00:39:24,600
stand back and be like, whoa, we
told them not to.

708
00:39:24,920 –> 00:39:27,000
Like we said, don’t escalate
things.

709
00:39:27,000 –> 00:39:31,720
No, they did it anyway.
We’re kind of like they’re cool

710
00:39:31,720 –> 00:39:34,040
parents where they’re like, we
want to know the bad stuff, but

711
00:39:34,040 –> 00:39:37,360
we’re not going to judge you.
It’s it’s fucking insane.

712
00:39:37,560 –> 00:39:41,840
It really is.
One of the first really high

713
00:39:41,840 –> 00:39:46,080
profile voices to come out and
question whether the United

714
00:39:46,080 –> 00:39:51,320
States is involved in this is
Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, who

715
00:39:51,560 –> 00:39:55,400
posted on Twitter the following
This is kind of long.

716
00:39:55,600 –> 00:39:58,800
Israel’s pager attack in Lebanon
detonated thousands of handheld

717
00:39:58,800 –> 00:40:02,800
devices across a slew of public
places, seriously injuring and

718
00:40:02,800 –> 00:40:06,040
killing innocent civilians.
This attack clearly and

719
00:40:06,040 –> 00:40:09,280
unequivocally violates
international humanitarian law

720
00:40:09,520 –> 00:40:12,640
and undermines US efforts to
prevent a wider conflict.

721
00:40:12,840 –> 00:40:15,840
Congress needs a full accounting
of the attack, including an

722
00:40:15,840 –> 00:40:19,640
answer from the State Department
as to whether any US assistance

723
00:40:19,640 –> 00:40:23,280
went into the development or
deployment of this technology.

724
00:40:23,360 –> 00:40:26,200
End Quote.
Didn’t she vote to fund Israel

725
00:40:26,280 –> 00:40:27,800
too?
That’s what I’m saying, it seems

726
00:40:27,800 –> 00:40:29,840
super performative.
Yeah, just.

727
00:40:30,000 –> 00:40:33,160
To kind of keep her like
constituents, like, you know.

728
00:40:33,720 –> 00:40:37,440
Yeah, it feels like wrestling
almost.

729
00:40:37,720 –> 00:40:39,760
The American government, I’ve
said that a bunch of times.

730
00:40:39,760 –> 00:40:42,480
The American government in
general, to me feels like

731
00:40:42,600 –> 00:40:47,760
wrestling where everyone’s on
the same track, They know how

732
00:40:47,760 –> 00:40:50,560
things are going to go, It’s
just they have to pretend to

733
00:40:50,560 –> 00:40:52,680
fight sometimes.
Oh yeah.

734
00:40:53,160 –> 00:40:56,520
You got to have different
characters so the entirety of

735
00:40:56,520 –> 00:40:58,960
the audience resonates with
someone.

736
00:40:58,960 –> 00:40:59,880
I.
Remember when I was like in

737
00:40:59,880 –> 00:41:03,560
college, I was doing like like a
lecture, like roadie type work

738
00:41:03,560 –> 00:41:07,240
for like events back in DC.
So I was in Congress a lot and

739
00:41:07,240 –> 00:41:10,440
like you would see like on the
news, these two Congress people

740
00:41:10,440 –> 00:41:13,400
like arguing and shit.
But then like right after the

741
00:41:13,400 –> 00:41:15,840
event they were like shaking
hands and like high 5 it like

742
00:41:15,840 –> 00:41:17,720
you.
I would just see that as like a

743
00:41:17,720 –> 00:41:19,800
fucking Brody.
And I was like, oh, this is all

744
00:41:19,800 –> 00:41:21,320
bullshit.
Look, it’s all bullshit.

745
00:41:21,480 –> 00:41:24,560
Yeah, I say all the time.
When the two sides of our

746
00:41:24,560 –> 00:41:27,280
government agree on something,
we’re fucked.

747
00:41:27,480 –> 00:41:31,280
Like it’s usually something bad.
It’s never going to be something

748
00:41:31,280 –> 00:41:34,240
beneficial.
Immigration is the one I point

749
00:41:34,240 –> 00:41:37,760
to the most.
Democrats talk a good game when

750
00:41:37,760 –> 00:41:41,000
it comes to being more pro
immigration than Republicans.

751
00:41:41,000 –> 00:41:43,520
But Biden deported more people
than Trump.

752
00:41:43,680 –> 00:41:45,800
Obama deported more people than
Trump.

753
00:41:46,120 –> 00:41:50,920
Sure, no matter what they say.
I think the United States is of

754
00:41:50,920 –> 00:41:54,600
one mind when it comes to
immigration as a government in

755
00:41:54,600 –> 00:41:57,760
Israel, too, I think.
And giving money to Israel?

756
00:41:57,760 –> 00:41:59,040
Yeah.
And supporting them no matter

757
00:41:59,040 –> 00:42:00,080
what.
Yeah, yeah.

758
00:42:00,080 –> 00:42:03,920
I think even when people within
the government complain about

759
00:42:04,000 –> 00:42:08,400
funding Israel, even if they
mean it, they know there’s not

760
00:42:08,400 –> 00:42:11,920
really any point in saying.
Look at the polls now where

761
00:42:11,920 –> 00:42:16,080
they’re like 70% more people,
whatever would support Kamala

762
00:42:16,080 –> 00:42:18,760
Harris if she calls for a
ceasefire, right?

763
00:42:19,000 –> 00:42:22,600
And she just still hasn’t.
Yeah, be the layup to make you

764
00:42:22,600 –> 00:42:26,400
win, to give you a surefire win.
And she she’s refuses.

765
00:42:26,600 –> 00:42:29,800
Yeah, yeah.
Which that’s insane to me.

766
00:42:29,920 –> 00:42:33,960
And I don’t know, like, how long
do they think this kind of

767
00:42:33,960 –> 00:42:37,520
situation can hold where you can
constantly be like, hey, we’re

768
00:42:37,520 –> 00:42:40,920
the fucking world police, baby.
We’re out here making sure

769
00:42:40,920 –> 00:42:43,640
everyone’s safe and sound.
And it’s like we’re funding

770
00:42:43,640 –> 00:42:47,600
terrorism.
Dude, that myth of like western

771
00:42:47,600 –> 00:42:50,800
morality of like where the
police is fucking going out the

772
00:42:50,800 –> 00:42:55,520
window like October 8th, like
fucking we’re we’re no fucking

773
00:42:55,520 –> 00:42:57,400
better.
Like, I don’t know, you, you’d

774
00:42:57,400 –> 00:43:01,000
always at least see people like
kind of judge like Middle

775
00:43:01,000 –> 00:43:03,600
Eastern leaders for how they
handle things.

776
00:43:03,600 –> 00:43:06,320
Like they’re like, oh, those
fucking Saudis are terrible for

777
00:43:06,320 –> 00:43:09,720
what they did to a journalist,
but like, we’re funding a

778
00:43:09,720 –> 00:43:11,680
genocide.
Like we can’t really talk shit

779
00:43:11,680 –> 00:43:14,040
anymore.
Yeah, and I think we’ve also

780
00:43:14,040 –> 00:43:16,840
killed some journalists.
Oh, for sure, yeah.

781
00:43:17,040 –> 00:43:18,960
We’re just not.
We just don’t do it on Zoom

782
00:43:18,960 –> 00:43:23,200
calls in the Turkish consulate.
And then where’s clothes?

783
00:43:23,840 –> 00:43:26,880
Yeah, yeah, we’ve, we’ve fake a
car accident.

784
00:43:26,880 –> 00:43:29,480
Like fucking professionals.
We do.

785
00:43:29,760 –> 00:43:36,000
So one of the first conspiracies
that went around about this is

786
00:43:36,080 –> 00:43:40,520
one that claims officials at
American University of Beirut

787
00:43:40,520 –> 00:43:42,920
Medical Center knew this attack
was coming.

788
00:43:42,920 –> 00:43:45,760
And just hearing that name, I’m
like, yeah, they probably knew I

789
00:43:45,760 –> 00:43:47,880
wouldn’t be.
Like someone had to tell them, I

790
00:43:47,880 –> 00:43:49,640
mean.
That’s that’s the biggest

791
00:43:49,640 –> 00:43:52,800
university in like Lebanon and
probably the best university in

792
00:43:52,800 –> 00:43:54,200
the Middle East.
Like when I lived in the Middle

793
00:43:54,200 –> 00:43:57,240
East, that was the target school
for like a lot of my friends,

794
00:43:57,440 –> 00:44:00,440
the AUB.
Yeah, that was like the school

795
00:44:00,640 –> 00:44:05,200
in the Middle East state is AUB.
And the reason people suspect

796
00:44:05,200 –> 00:44:09,680
them of having some advanced
knowledge of this is they, by

797
00:44:09,680 –> 00:44:15,120
sheer coincidence, switched to a
new pager system on August 29th.

798
00:44:15,360 –> 00:44:19,080
And I agree that that is weirdly
coincidental timing.

799
00:44:20,000 –> 00:44:25,840
This story is really indicative
of how we treat conspiracy

800
00:44:25,840 –> 00:44:29,680
theories in this country or just
kind of in the world in general

801
00:44:29,760 –> 00:44:31,800
right now, at least in a
mainstream way.

802
00:44:31,920 –> 00:44:34,840
Someone pointed this out that,
hey, you switched your systems

803
00:44:34,840 –> 00:44:37,520
on the 29th, You’re an American
institution.

804
00:44:37,520 –> 00:44:39,520
Did you maybe know something was
happening?

805
00:44:39,680 –> 00:44:44,720
And they issue a statement on
Instagram and are like, no, we

806
00:44:44,720 –> 00:44:46,560
didn’t know.
We actually started started

807
00:44:46,560 –> 00:44:51,280
planning this switch back in
April and just happened to

808
00:44:51,280 –> 00:44:55,840
implement it on August 29th.
And in the world we’re living

809
00:44:55,840 –> 00:44:58,600
in, to a lot of people, that
counts as this theory being

810
00:44:58,600 –> 00:45:01,000
debunked.
Well, we asked the people in

811
00:45:01,000 –> 00:45:04,000
question and they said no.
What the fuck are they supposed

812
00:45:04,000 –> 00:45:05,840
to say?
You think they’re just going to

813
00:45:05,840 –> 00:45:08,000
put their hands up and be like,
ah, you got us.

814
00:45:08,240 –> 00:45:10,080
We did know.
How’d you figure it out?

815
00:45:10,160 –> 00:45:12,080
Like, of course they’re going to
say no.

816
00:45:12,160 –> 00:45:15,400
And this thing where they say,
oh, we started planning it in

817
00:45:15,400 –> 00:45:19,240
April, that’s more suspicious
because that’s when Hezbollah

818
00:45:19,240 –> 00:45:22,840
bought these fucking pagers.
That’s around the time Israel

819
00:45:22,840 –> 00:45:25,600
would have found out that
Hezbollah was buying these

820
00:45:25,600 –> 00:45:28,320
pagers.
That actually lines up fucking

821
00:45:28,320 –> 00:45:32,400
perfect with them knowing that
this was maybe going to happen.

822
00:45:32,480 –> 00:45:34,680
That doesn’t like, make me less
suspicious at all.

823
00:45:34,680 –> 00:45:37,880
No, that.
Yeah, that it’s like almost too

824
00:45:37,880 –> 00:45:39,680
perfect.
Like, I don’t know, like I feel

825
00:45:39,680 –> 00:45:43,160
like institutions usually make
their decisions when school

826
00:45:43,160 –> 00:45:47,800
ends, So like, maybe like, I’ll
give it like a 10% chance.

827
00:45:47,800 –> 00:45:51,240
It’s pure coincidence.
Yeah, but no, it’s it’s too

828
00:45:51,240 –> 00:45:52,000
perfect.
It’s.

829
00:45:52,480 –> 00:45:57,840
Very good timing, Jesus.
And it would also be such good

830
00:45:57,840 –> 00:46:03,160
cover for Israel because if they
switched, if they had advanced

831
00:46:03,160 –> 00:46:05,480
knowledge of this and they
switched their pager systems,

832
00:46:05,640 –> 00:46:07,800
that would kind of imply that
maybe they were using these

833
00:46:07,800 –> 00:46:11,440
pagers before.
And for Israel, that’s good

834
00:46:11,440 –> 00:46:14,480
cover because they’re like,
fucking people have been using

835
00:46:14,480 –> 00:46:16,440
these pagers forever with no
problems.

836
00:46:16,440 –> 00:46:18,000
Of course we didn’t tamper with
them.

837
00:46:18,080 –> 00:46:21,000
But again, in a medical setting,
like I get it because it’s

838
00:46:21,000 –> 00:46:23,400
stronger frequencies and more
reliable signal why you’d have

839
00:46:23,400 –> 00:46:26,120
pagers.
Like I get that, yeah, but fuck.

840
00:46:26,400 –> 00:46:30,120
But to have the only thing that
like says American in like

841
00:46:30,120 –> 00:46:34,680
Lebanon be the safe one is
fucking not a good look.

842
00:46:34,920 –> 00:46:38,880
Yeah, it’s weird timing if
nothing else.

843
00:46:39,080 –> 00:46:42,720
You brought up something right
before we started recording that

844
00:46:42,840 –> 00:46:45,840
I didn’t have in the notes.
So the UN recently passed a

845
00:46:45,840 –> 00:46:48,640
resolution to like, end
essentially end Israel’s

846
00:46:48,640 –> 00:46:52,680
occupation in Palestine, where
they’ve called for Israeli

847
00:46:52,680 –> 00:46:56,600
settlers to end armies to like,
leave those Palestinian

848
00:46:56,600 –> 00:47:00,280
settlements that give Palestine
like a statehood within like 12

849
00:47:00,280 –> 00:47:02,440
months.
This happened like yesterday

850
00:47:02,760 –> 00:47:06,280
that it was super recent, right?
So it’s like it kind of makes

851
00:47:06,280 –> 00:47:08,000
sense.
Like even pay Palestinians like

852
00:47:08,000 –> 00:47:10,400
reparations and give them back
their land.

853
00:47:10,680 –> 00:47:12,960
Like it’s shit like that.
So it kind of makes sense.

854
00:47:12,960 –> 00:47:16,280
Like did you know Israel
definitely got a heads up this

855
00:47:16,280 –> 00:47:20,520
is coming down to pipeline to
fucking start like a regional

856
00:47:20,520 –> 00:47:23,960
war to be like, how can we give
the Palestinians back their land

857
00:47:23,960 –> 00:47:27,000
within 12 months when we’re at
war with Lebanon now?

858
00:47:27,000 –> 00:47:29,200
Because like, how much longer
can they realistically keep

859
00:47:29,200 –> 00:47:31,960
bombing Gaza?
You know, there’s really nothing

860
00:47:31,960 –> 00:47:35,760
there anymore.
So it just kind of makes sense

861
00:47:36,000 –> 00:47:40,640
to also kind of keep those like
shitty to keep like net, not

862
00:47:40,640 –> 00:47:43,880
Yahoo in power because it can’t
be like, oh, I need to transfer

863
00:47:43,880 –> 00:47:45,800
power.
I can’t do it now that we’re in

864
00:47:45,800 –> 00:47:47,400
a war.
Like, come on, guys.

865
00:47:47,640 –> 00:47:52,400
Like it makes fucking perfect
sense to fucking start this war

866
00:47:52,600 –> 00:47:55,520
with Lebanon.
Just keep everything status quo.

867
00:47:55,800 –> 00:47:59,800
And also if you can win that war
quick enough you can just be

868
00:47:59,800 –> 00:48:03,200
like, give back what land?
We just fucking won this in a or

869
00:48:03,200 –> 00:48:05,760
baby that’s ours now.
You figure out somewhere for

870
00:48:05,760 –> 00:48:08,440
people to go.
Yeah, I I wouldn’t be surprised

871
00:48:08,440 –> 00:48:12,080
if that has a lot to do with
them launching this when they

872
00:48:12,080 –> 00:48:13,400
did.
Let’s say because, right,

873
00:48:13,400 –> 00:48:16,960
because it’s like it makes, it
makes fucking perfect sense to

874
00:48:16,960 –> 00:48:19,760
be like, dude, we’re in a war
now, we can’t give up land.

875
00:48:20,920 –> 00:48:22,680
I don’t know, it just makes
perfect fucking sense.

876
00:48:22,920 –> 00:48:28,040
And in the context of the war,
they’re already fighting the one

877
00:48:28,080 –> 00:48:31,000
in Gaza.
I have an article in here about

878
00:48:31,000 –> 00:48:36,240
the Israeli media response.
And even among that crowd,

879
00:48:36,240 –> 00:48:39,680
that’s like, well, yeah, we got
to defend ourselves, which is

880
00:48:39,680 –> 00:48:42,960
not all of the Israeli media.
Some of Israeli media is like,

881
00:48:42,960 –> 00:48:46,560
what the fuck?
But it seems like the consensus

882
00:48:46,600 –> 00:48:51,040
among both of those groups, even
if you’re like, oh, good job on

883
00:48:51,040 –> 00:48:54,480
taking out a bunch of Hezbollah
fighters, the consensus is, but

884
00:48:54,480 –> 00:48:57,160
what’s the point?
What is this going to fucking

885
00:48:57,160 –> 00:49:00,160
accomplish?
Because their goal, their

886
00:49:00,160 –> 00:49:05,080
argument is, oh, we want to, you
know, get people back to

887
00:49:05,080 –> 00:49:07,720
northern Israel.
And the only way we can do it is

888
00:49:07,880 –> 00:49:11,440
to fight Hezbollah.
And people’s obvious question is

889
00:49:11,680 –> 00:49:15,080
this is just going to escalate
things with Hezbollah.

890
00:49:15,400 –> 00:49:18,280
How is that going to make it
safer to return people to

891
00:49:18,280 –> 00:49:20,520
northern Israel?
And the answer is it’s not.

892
00:49:20,560 –> 00:49:21,480
That’s just.
No.

893
00:49:21,800 –> 00:49:24,320
They’re lying to have an excuse
to do this.

894
00:49:24,320 –> 00:49:27,440
And it’s like another war that
like we’re paying for as

895
00:49:27,440 –> 00:49:28,600
Americans.
Right.

896
00:49:28,760 –> 00:49:33,000
And another concern that
Israelis who are opposed to this

897
00:49:33,000 –> 00:49:37,440
have is, well, you just told us
that the war with Hamas is like,

898
00:49:37,560 –> 00:49:41,080
on the verge of wrapping up,
like total victory over Hamas,

899
00:49:41,080 –> 00:49:44,040
like not wrapping up in the good
way, although there’s no good

900
00:49:44,040 –> 00:49:45,280
way it could wrap up.
No.

901
00:49:46,080 –> 00:49:48,960
But so a lot of people’s
question is, well, you just told

902
00:49:48,960 –> 00:49:52,040
us that’s almost over, and now
you’re launching like a whole

903
00:49:52,040 –> 00:49:54,360
fucking new war with Lebanon,
right?

904
00:49:54,680 –> 00:49:57,640
And it seems like Israel’s just
like, right, Correct.

905
00:49:57,760 –> 00:50:00,080
You are correct.
And again, it’s also like within

906
00:50:00,080 –> 00:50:03,840
these 12 months, like, countries
can’t do business with Israel

907
00:50:03,840 –> 00:50:05,880
anymore.
Country like obviously America

908
00:50:05,880 –> 00:50:08,600
still is because they don’t give
a fuck about the UN, sure, but

909
00:50:08,600 –> 00:50:11,360
like, so they’re gonna be
fighting like a war or a

910
00:50:11,360 –> 00:50:15,920
secondary front funded solely by
America and like, really fucking

911
00:50:16,120 –> 00:50:18,600
continue to tank their economy.
Like their economy’s been

912
00:50:18,600 –> 00:50:22,160
fucking tanking since this Gaza
conflict because countries and

913
00:50:22,160 –> 00:50:24,200
businesses don’t want to do
business in a fucking war zone.

914
00:50:24,400 –> 00:50:26,920
Yeah, of course.
Except America, the military

915
00:50:26,920 –> 00:50:28,840
industrial complex.
And you don’t want to do

916
00:50:28,840 –> 00:50:31,760
business with someone who’s
using starvation as a weapon.

917
00:50:31,880 –> 00:50:33,280
That’s.
No, it’s not a good look.

918
00:50:33,440 –> 00:50:36,960
Such a bad look, But I mean, the
United States doesn’t care about

919
00:50:36,960 –> 00:50:38,720
a bad look.
No, we would.

920
00:50:38,880 –> 00:50:41,000
We would have a Nike ad there
right now if we could.

921
00:50:41,960 –> 00:50:45,080
Yeah, I don’t give a fuck.
Yeah, yeah, I could see us

922
00:50:45,120 –> 00:50:48,680
running a Just Do It campaign
regarding Palestine.

923
00:50:50,040 –> 00:50:52,520
I mean, that’s what’s happening
with fucking right wingers.

924
00:50:52,520 –> 00:50:56,440
Nikki Haley visited Israel not
too long ago and was writing

925
00:50:56,440 –> 00:50:59,080
finished them on their bombs.
Bombs.

926
00:50:59,320 –> 00:51:02,040
Yeah, yeah.
It’s like God damn.

927
00:51:02,240 –> 00:51:04,400
It’s just fucking, it’s fucking
goal.

928
00:51:04,400 –> 00:51:07,800
So we’re in a country run by
fucking goals.

929
00:51:08,040 –> 00:51:11,800
Just care about money like a
crazy man.

930
00:51:11,800 –> 00:51:13,480
I don’t.
Oh, no, man, I don’t get it.

931
00:51:13,680 –> 00:51:16,200
Maybe because I don’t have that
kind of money yet to be like, we

932
00:51:16,200 –> 00:51:18,920
need to fucking do this.
But it’s fucking gross.

933
00:51:19,160 –> 00:51:21,880
Yeah, it.
Yeah, it is.

934
00:51:22,080 –> 00:51:27,000
And so Speaking of that
escalation that people within

935
00:51:27,000 –> 00:51:30,440
Israel are worried about,
obviously people in Lebanon are

936
00:51:30,440 –> 00:51:33,640
worried about it also,
especially government officials.

937
00:51:33,800 –> 00:51:38,400
This is a quote from Lebanon’s
minister of economy, Amin

938
00:51:38,400 –> 00:51:42,280
Salaam, speaking to CNBC.
It’s definitely a very serious

939
00:51:42,280 –> 00:51:44,720
escalation.
I don’t see any active

940
00:51:44,720 –> 00:51:48,160
escalation that will not lead to
provocation and that is what we

941
00:51:48,160 –> 00:51:51,760
fear most because what happened
yesterday will only trigger more

942
00:51:51,760 –> 00:51:55,760
escalation into the conflict.
This will be a very, very

943
00:51:55,760 –> 00:51:59,840
dangerous 48 hours that this
country will witness to see how

944
00:51:59,840 –> 00:52:01,920
the reaction will be.
End Quote.

945
00:52:02,040 –> 00:52:05,760
And it seems like provocation is
at least part of the point here

946
00:52:05,880 –> 00:52:10,280
with Israel.
I think they want to launch this

947
00:52:10,280 –> 00:52:14,240
as an all out war and I’m sure
they’re expecting the response

948
00:52:14,240 –> 00:52:18,280
they get from this is going to
be enough that they can, at

949
00:52:18,280 –> 00:52:22,480
least in their own minds and to
their constituents, justify an

950
00:52:22,480 –> 00:52:25,240
even more intense response.
Which?

951
00:52:26,200 –> 00:52:29,400
Buckle up, Lebanon.
But it’s like Israel’s not even

952
00:52:29,400 –> 00:52:32,720
like that good at war.
Yeah, you know what I’m saying?

953
00:52:32,720 –> 00:52:36,040
Like they’re still, they’re
getting fucked up by like Hamas

954
00:52:36,040 –> 00:52:40,960
soldiers with guerrilla warfare.
They’re like a Star Wars defense

955
00:52:40,960 –> 00:52:42,880
system hasn’t or their Iron
Curtain.

956
00:52:42,880 –> 00:52:45,320
Excuse me?
Iron Dome I think it is right.

957
00:52:45,440 –> 00:52:49,280
Iron Dome has not protected or
stopped anything.

958
00:52:49,520 –> 00:52:52,880
Like they’re not good at this.
Yeah.

959
00:52:53,040 –> 00:52:56,960
I mean, I think the issue is
they just have so much more

960
00:52:56,960 –> 00:52:58,440
money, that’s what.
Sure.

961
00:52:58,840 –> 00:53:02,560
That’s one of the things that
keeps coming up here is like as

962
00:53:02,560 –> 00:53:06,040
I’ve been reading about even
this in particular is even this

963
00:53:06,040 –> 00:53:10,160
pager attack just demonstrates
that they have so many more

964
00:53:10,160 –> 00:53:15,000
resources than the people they
are fighting or terrorizing,

965
00:53:15,120 –> 00:53:16,920
colonizing, whatever you want to
call it.

966
00:53:17,000 –> 00:53:22,040
They just have such an advantage
that I think that’s why they

967
00:53:22,040 –> 00:53:24,920
haven’t just launched a ground
invasion like they keep

968
00:53:24,920 –> 00:53:27,440
threatening to do, because you
got to kill a lot of people

969
00:53:27,440 –> 00:53:30,880
first for that to work.
Otherwise, you’re sure there is

970
00:53:30,880 –> 00:53:34,480
a pretty long history of
countries invading other Middle

971
00:53:34,480 –> 00:53:38,080
Eastern countries and that shit
does not go well?

972
00:53:38,280 –> 00:53:42,680
Ask Russia, ask the United
States, ask any number of

973
00:53:42,680 –> 00:53:45,080
countries.
It’s not nothing pulling off a

974
00:53:45,080 –> 00:53:47,520
ground invasion in the Middle
East and.

975
00:53:47,760 –> 00:53:50,040
It’s not quick either, right?
Like.

976
00:53:50,480 –> 00:53:53,600
It’s not quick.
It’s crazy terrain that you have

977
00:53:53,600 –> 00:53:54,840
to deal with.
You’re not.

978
00:53:54,960 –> 00:53:59,280
I mean, this attack hit people
in fucking markets and things,

979
00:53:59,280 –> 00:54:02,400
but once you launch a real
ground invasion, you’re going to

980
00:54:02,480 –> 00:54:04,720
have to go some places.
And yeah, I wouldn’t be

981
00:54:04,720 –> 00:54:08,400
surprised if stuff like this is
just a means of softening

982
00:54:08,400 –> 00:54:11,000
Lebanon up for that ground
invasion.

983
00:54:11,000 –> 00:54:12,400
I.
Know it’s yeah.

984
00:54:12,720 –> 00:54:14,800
Who knows It’s.
Fucking awful.

985
00:54:14,960 –> 00:54:18,400
It is.
And yeah, here’s one more quote

986
00:54:18,600 –> 00:54:21,640
before we get out of here.
Oh, Ameen Salaam did also

987
00:54:21,640 –> 00:54:24,600
mention that, and I talked about
this earlier.

988
00:54:24,720 –> 00:54:28,360
These attacks have rallied
people behind Hezbollah who were

989
00:54:28,360 –> 00:54:31,800
not Hezbollah supporters before.
And it’s like, yeah, that’s what

990
00:54:31,800 –> 00:54:36,520
war crimes usually do.
That’s usually how that works is

991
00:54:36,640 –> 00:54:40,920
the more aggressive the entity
that the so-called terrorists

992
00:54:40,920 –> 00:54:44,240
are fighting, the more
aggressive that entity gets, the

993
00:54:44,240 –> 00:54:48,400
more people rally around those
quote UN quote terrorists.

994
00:54:48,600 –> 00:54:50,840
And of course it’s fucking
happening here.

995
00:54:50,840 –> 00:54:54,760
Of course this is going to make
people within Lebanon be even

996
00:54:54,760 –> 00:54:58,160
more anti Israel than they might
have been before, but.

997
00:54:58,360 –> 00:55:01,880
It’s also like, which like
Middle Eastern state is going to

998
00:55:01,880 –> 00:55:04,280
help fund Lebanon as well.
You know what I mean?

999
00:55:04,640 –> 00:55:08,600
Like, how much longer can, like,
Israel keep attacking these

1000
00:55:08,600 –> 00:55:12,200
countries without other Middle
Eastern countries mobilizing?

1001
00:55:12,440 –> 00:55:14,520
If Saudi Arabia was like, yeah,
we’ll fucking back you a little

1002
00:55:14,520 –> 00:55:15,600
bit.
Yeah, like.

1003
00:55:15,960 –> 00:55:19,320
Or Iran.
I mean, Iran, the whole reason

1004
00:55:19,320 –> 00:55:22,560
Hezbollah, I mean, not the whole
reason Hezbollah is kind of

1005
00:55:22,760 –> 00:55:26,240
aiding Hamas in this situation.
Because a lot of the attacks

1006
00:55:26,240 –> 00:55:30,480
from Lebanon, in Hezbollah’s own
words, is what we’re trying to

1007
00:55:30,480 –> 00:55:35,840
like draw resources away from
them, turning Gaza into rubble

1008
00:55:35,920 –> 00:55:38,200
and hopefully pulling some of
their forces up here.

1009
00:55:38,360 –> 00:55:41,440
So they can go a little softer
on Gaza.

1010
00:55:41,640 –> 00:55:46,200
And part of the reason they’re
doing that is they are part of

1011
00:55:46,240 –> 00:55:52,480
something called the axis of
resistance, which is a term that

1012
00:55:52,520 –> 00:55:59,520
was brought to life after George
W Bush called Iran, North Korea,

1013
00:55:59,640 –> 00:56:03,320
and was it Afghanistan, the axis
of evil?

1014
00:56:03,480 –> 00:56:09,080
And in response, the Axis of
Resistance was formed, which

1015
00:56:09,240 –> 00:56:16,280
it’s kind of informal coalition
led by Iran that also includes

1016
00:56:16,400 –> 00:56:21,680
Syria, Iraq, Yemen and
Palestinian groups.

1017
00:56:22,520 –> 00:56:27,800
And it seems like they are sort
of the like a sort of NATO type

1018
00:56:27,800 –> 00:56:30,760
of thing for these Middle
Eastern countries where they

1019
00:56:30,760 –> 00:56:34,640
agree that if one of them is
being attacked by the West or by

1020
00:56:34,640 –> 00:56:39,080
Israel, which is the same thing,
then then they will help each

1021
00:56:39,080 –> 00:56:42,840
other in that fight.
And because Lebanon and Gaza are

1022
00:56:42,840 –> 00:56:46,600
so close, it’s stands to reason
that Lebanon would be the first

1023
00:56:46,600 –> 00:56:50,520
one to step in.
So yeah, this has so much

1024
00:56:50,520 –> 00:56:55,960
potential to turn into just full
on, like full, like large scale

1025
00:56:55,960 –> 00:56:59,800
warfare in the Middle East.
And then what fucking side are

1026
00:56:59,800 –> 00:57:01,960
we going to fight on?
Obviously we’re on the.

1027
00:57:02,600 –> 00:57:06,160
Israel side, yeah, we’re.
Like fight fight on the side

1028
00:57:06,160 –> 00:57:09,600
that’s committing the genocide.
Yeah, we’re not the good guys.

1029
00:57:09,640 –> 00:57:16,240
You say, yeah, we are not the
fucking good guys in this.

1030
00:57:16,240 –> 00:57:19,200
No, I mean look at all the
Congress people and politicians

1031
00:57:19,200 –> 00:57:22,320
that like APAC pays.
Yeah like weird.

1032
00:57:22,320 –> 00:57:26,760
Not going against Israel.
No, which is a bummer.

1033
00:57:26,920 –> 00:57:30,200
It’s, it’s for lack of a better
way.

1034
00:57:30,200 –> 00:57:32,440
I mean, there’s a lot of other
ways to put it, but yeah, this

1035
00:57:32,440 –> 00:57:35,280
sucks.
This is, it’s frustrating

1036
00:57:35,440 –> 00:57:40,160
because there are so many people
around the world calling for

1037
00:57:40,240 –> 00:57:43,240
Israel to fucking stop this.
And.

1038
00:57:43,440 –> 00:57:46,520
Fucking the UN is.
Yeah, the International Criminal

1039
00:57:46,520 –> 00:57:51,400
Court, they issued warrants like
in its, it’s going to take

1040
00:57:51,400 –> 00:57:54,880
someone fucking invading Israel,
I think.

1041
00:57:55,040 –> 00:57:55,880
Yeah.
And that’s.

1042
00:57:55,920 –> 00:57:58,000
Yeah, probably.
That’s going to turn into a

1043
00:57:58,000 –> 00:58:02,120
whole God damn thing.
But yeah, yeah, like I said, USA

1044
00:58:02,120 –> 00:58:04,640
baby.
So I think that’s our episode,

1045
00:58:04,640 –> 00:58:07,240
right?
Yeah, I think shit sucks.

1046
00:58:07,400 –> 00:58:08,480
Yeah.
And it’s only going to get

1047
00:58:08,480 –> 00:58:10,680
worse.
Like, yeah, I imagine by the

1048
00:58:10,680 –> 00:58:14,960
time this even goes up, which is
a day from now, it’s probably

1049
00:58:15,120 –> 00:58:18,160
going to be significantly worse
than it is right now.

1050
00:58:18,160 –> 00:58:19,240
I.
Mean I was checking my phone

1051
00:58:19,240 –> 00:58:22,200
during the episode for like to
see if any updates have come in

1052
00:58:22,200 –> 00:58:25,200
terms of retaliation.
Yeah, I know Israel has already

1053
00:58:25,200 –> 00:58:29,800
started attacking other targets
in Lebanon since they did this,

1054
00:58:30,040 –> 00:58:33,280
but there weren’t a ton of
details about it by the time we

1055
00:58:33,280 –> 00:58:35,480
started recording Now, Yeah,
this is bad.

1056
00:58:35,640 –> 00:58:38,640
It’s bad, and it’s going to get
worse and get a lot worse.

1057
00:58:38,920 –> 00:58:42,880
Oh, man.
But hey, thank you for doing the

1058
00:58:42,880 –> 00:58:44,240
episode.
I appreciate it.

1059
00:58:44,400 –> 00:58:45,480
We.
No problem.

1060
00:58:45,560 –> 00:58:48,800
Thank you for doing my comedy
podcast Conspiracy Show.

1061
00:58:49,040 –> 00:58:51,440
And I’m glad to be your Middle
Eastern correspondent on this.

1062
00:58:52,880 –> 00:58:55,640
Yeah.
I mean, I yeah, I appreciate the

1063
00:58:55,800 –> 00:58:57,840
perspective you brought to it
it.

1064
00:58:58,040 –> 00:59:01,840
Dude, no, it’s it’s crazy.
Israel’s been fucking pulling

1065
00:59:01,840 –> 00:59:04,360
this shit for fucking decades.
Decades.

1066
00:59:04,880 –> 00:59:10,400
It’s and like an American medium
doesn’t care or views them as

1067
00:59:10,400 –> 00:59:12,960
like the victim, especially
again when you label everybody

1068
00:59:12,960 –> 00:59:14,960
as like Hezbollah or everybody’s
Hamas.

1069
00:59:15,200 –> 00:59:19,080
And everyone who criticizes
Israel as an anti semite also.

1070
00:59:19,280 –> 00:59:22,320
Yeah, it’s just fucking.
It’s just fucking lazy.

1071
00:59:22,480 –> 00:59:25,400
It’s just fucking lazy and like,
it’s just lazy.

1072
00:59:25,560 –> 00:59:28,800
It’s lazy and immoral.
Yeah, so this seems like a good

1073
00:59:28,800 –> 00:59:31,240
time to plug stuff, right?
I got nothing.

1074
00:59:31,560 –> 00:59:34,160
I have a solo podcast called In
Broad Daylight that people can

1075
00:59:34,160 –> 00:59:37,440
listen to where I also talk
about shit like this, but also

1076
00:59:37,440 –> 00:59:40,720
things happening domestically
like how immigrants are being

1077
00:59:40,720 –> 00:59:42,480
demonized in this country right
now.

1078
00:59:42,840 –> 00:59:46,040
You can get that wherever
podcasts are at, or you can

1079
00:59:46,040 –> 00:59:48,320
watch it on YouTube at Adam
Todd.

1080
00:59:48,320 –> 00:59:50,720
Your sub stack.
Oh yes, and on my sub stack at

1081
00:59:50,720 –> 00:59:53,680
Adam Todd Brown or Adam
toddbrown.substack.com, you

1082
00:59:53,680 –> 00:59:56,280
don’t got nothing to plug.
No, All right.

1083
00:59:56,480 –> 00:59:58,560
Sorry, dude.
No.

1084
00:59:59,560 –> 01:00:02,200
Let’s get the fuck out of here.
A tiff say goodbye.

1085
01:00:02,360 –> 01:00:04,280
Who’s?
Goodbye everybody, we love you.