Conspiracy! The Show 310: The Deadly Double Debate

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Hey everybody, welcome to

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No Co host, but I do have a
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Case in point, joining us for
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How’s it going?
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There’s an extra person living
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time I talked to you.
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It’s a very small person, you
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Yeah, the I’ve, I’ve heard like
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you’re a father now.
That’s they’re you know what?

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I can confirm that they’re true.
I am a dad.

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I I filed a Freedom of
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FOIA You foiled me.
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I have been watching Reacher and
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I’m going to get I’ve got a
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doing the pod.
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You all know him, you all love
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John Lewis is here.
What up though y’all I’m deep in

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my conspiracy bag this month.
I just finished this book called

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Boxing and a Mob and it was
amazing.

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Oh, yeah.
Oh, is there, is there mafia

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influence in boxing?
Come on.

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Yeah, I got.
I’m working on a video about

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that one.
I always thought boxing was all

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on the up and up.
It’s way, way more mob connected

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than you would ever imagined
though, which is pretty weird

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because yeah.
Like you break because you

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already assume it’s like pretty
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Yeah, yeah.
So this week this is a bonus

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Oh, so that’s why this is
holiday themed.

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Yeah, lucky Bast.
It’s a.

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Christmas conspiracy.
Sorta we are talking about

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something that we’ve sort of
talked about before.

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We did an episode years ago
about the advanced knowledge

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theory, which is the theory that
at least some elements in the

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United States government and or
military, new Pearl Harbor was

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going to happen and wanted it to
happen so we could get into

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World War 2.
And on that episode we talked

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about this dice game called the
Deadly Double, but we just

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really kind of glossed over it.
And I’m right now in the middle

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of a series of episodes about
the Office of Naval

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Intelligence, which is America’s
oldest and 1st intelligence

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agency.
They were founded in, I want to

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say 1868, something like that.
And it was back when we were

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doing all our war shit with
boats.

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So that’s why they were first.
Makes perfect sense.

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But they were also still our
main intelligence agency in the

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build up to World War 2 and
Pearl Harbor.

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Before I go down this rabbit
hole, just in reading the

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article, what’s everyone’s
temperature on the veracity of

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this claim?
Which, just quick the claim is

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that ads in an issue of The New
Yorker magazine for a dice game

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called the Deadly Double were
actually a coded message about

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when Pearl Harbor was going to
happen.

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Well this is the most niche game
to ever fucking exist if it was

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real.
Yeah.

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It’s advertised as a game to
play if you hide it in a bunker,

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you know, from an air raid.
Like what?

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Yeah, well, I mean, the, you
know, parts of Casablanca,

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every, every scene in Casablanca
was filmed indoors because you

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weren’t allowed outside after
dark in California because of

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the fear of bombing raids from
Japan.

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So it was a fear that was on
people’s minds at the time.

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It’s like I there’s think
there’s things about the story

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that are weird, definitely like,
I’ll admit.

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But I don’t, I, no, I don’t buy
it.

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I don’t buy it.
I think the actual explanation

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is weirder than.
There’s holes in it.

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This for sure.
It’s it’s strange why there are

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holes in it.
I mean, there’s a, there’s a

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huge, huge hole in this that we
will talk about in a little bit.

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But the ad, the way it worked in
this issue of The New Yorker,

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there were all of these smaller
ads that featured 2 pair of dice

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underneath the words octum,
warning, alert or alerte, which

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all basically mean the same
thing.

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And then it says, see
advertisement page 86.

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And there’s two pairs of dice.
One has the numbers 1224 and XX,

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you know, as dice in the 1940s
do.

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Maybe they’re Dungeons and
Dragons dice, who knows.

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And then there is a second dice
with the numbers 0, 5:00 and

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7:00 which also very strange as
far as dice go.

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Didn’t it say it had not odd
numbers on it?

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Yeah, it was just odd numbers.
Yeah, on one of them it’s just

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057 and the other one’s 12/24.
Oh, OK, I thought there were.

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Sorry, I thought all sides of
the die had numbers on it.

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Sorry, not important.
And it says Monarch Publishing

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Company at the bottom and then
New York.

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And then the actual ad, for one
thing, the top of the ad,

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there’s an air raid happening.
People are shooting at something

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in the sky.
And then below that is people

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huddled in a bunker.
They look like pretty well off

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people to me.
They’re dressed very well.

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I mean, this is also the 40s
though.

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That’s what people fucking
dressed like when they went to

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the grocery store back then.
In suits all the time all.

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Right, you have to wear that
shit to go watch a baseball

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game.
Man, they’re partying in the

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bomb shelter.
Yeah, they are not concerned

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that’s.
A That’s a fucking bougie air

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raid.
Yeah, and the bomb shelter looks

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rickety as fuck.
No, it does not look good.

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It doesn’t look like one of the
cool ones like from Fallout.

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It just it looks like a mine
shaft.

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It looks like they’re hiding in
a mine shaft.

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It added like a foxhole.
Yeah.

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But also they have like wine and
shit and they’re playing dice

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games.
There’s just a dinner party.

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They, they have a like, they
have a little layup with

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electricity and that’s
optimistic.

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Yeah, so here’s what the text of
this ad says.

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This is all a quote.
We hope you’ll never have to

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spend a long winter’s night in
an air raid shelter.

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But we were just thinking.
It’s only common sense to be

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prepared.
If you’re not too busy between

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now and Christmas, why not sit
down and plan a list of the

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things you’ll want to have on
hand?

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And though it’s no time really
to be thinking of what’s

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fashionable, we bet that most of
your friends will remember to

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include those intriguing dice
and chips.

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Which makes Chicago’s favorite
game the deadly double.

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End Quote.
That part, I mean, I know it was

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on people’s minds, but like, we
weren’t at war yet.

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No, that’s a fucking weird
peregrine.

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It’s like that.
This, this is a this ad was

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written by a madman.
Like this is the most deranged

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ad copy I’ve ever read.
It goes favorite game.

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Also you would just lie and say
America’s favorite game if you

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want to make some shit up.
Yeah.

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Yeah, the guy who made this was
from New York.

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So like, how would he even know
Chicago’s favorite game?

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But just say New York, it seems
like a more prestigious city.

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This whole thing is just so
weird.

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Yeah, it’s a haunting.
It’s a haunting.

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Like even without the Pearl
Harbor context, like it this

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this weirds me out.
Like why would you write this To

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sell a dice cake?
Yeah, yeah, like this would seem

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even weirder if Pearl Harbor
didn’t happen 2 weeks later.

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Oh yeah.
‘Cause at least we can pin this

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to something.
Right, like with the context of

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the conspiracy theory, the ad
actually makes more sense.

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Like you’re like, oh thank God
this is just a secret code for

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Pearl Harbor.
It’s not the ramblings of a

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madman.
I don’t know much about that

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history.
That time were Americans just

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practicing for air raids?
Were they having like air raid

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drills in the 1940s?
Probably I don’t really know it

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this is before look the the duck
and cover atomic air raid tests

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that were that everybody knows
about, but I don’t know really.

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I mean, I’m sure there was some
some tension and some paranoia

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around it because World War 2
started and then it took us a

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little bit to get in.
And in that lag time, that was a

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really big debate in this
country was should we go over

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there and help or should we be
isolationist about it and stay

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out of it?
We declared ourselves neutral at

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first, I do believe.
And then Pearl Harbor happened

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and we were like, all right,
here we.

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Go.
Well, it was because we were

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like, no, we’re neutral.
But they were like, OK, Japan,

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we’re gonna stop selling you oil
’cause you’re, you’re being bad.

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And they’re like, you better
not.

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They’re like, now we’re gonna
stop selling you oil.

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And then there’s Pearl Harbor.
Yeah.

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And then we’re in it.
So yeah, it was, I mean, it was

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definitely a thing that was on
people’s minds.

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And one thing I have found
researching the Office of Naval

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Intelligence is they especially
wanted to get into World War 2

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because their whole thing was
advocating for expansion of the

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Navy and improving our naval
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And what was happening was with
each president that would take

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office, you’d have a pacifist
who was like, Nah, we got to

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fucking mostly dismantle the
Navy.

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And then you’d get like, Grover
Cleveland, who was like, no more

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Navy, please.
And that was the back and forth

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for the Office of Naval
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It was how do we justify our
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That might be the most I’ve ever
learned about Grover Cleveland.

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Yeah, not much to that fella.
So I think what prompted all of

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the renewed interest in this, it
seems like, is there’s a book by

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a guy named Craig Nelson.
Craig T Nelson, coach.

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Unfortunately not, although how
crazy would it be?

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If it was coach just randomly
writing about this weird

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concerns.
I don’t know, only thing I know

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of coaches with some boring
sitcom I used to skip past as a

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kid.
How dare you, that show was

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great.
It probably was.

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It was May like 15 years before
I was born I think.

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I have no idea.
Yeah, it’s old.

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It was in the 80s.
Yeah, it’s oldish.

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I mean it.
Yeah, it was on its way out when

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I was a little kid.
It would be funny if Craig T

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Nelson’s pen name is just.
He drops the T.

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No one’s going to know.
No one will know.

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It’s actually kind of smart,
right?

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‘Cause he’s going to say most
people wouldn’t assume it

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exactly.
So Craig Nelson wrote a book

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that was published in 2016
called Pearl Harbor From Infamy

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to Greatness.
And in that book he has this

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passage about the deadly double
dice game ads.

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Here it goes.
It’s kind of long.

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Sorry.
Here it goes.

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On November 22nd, 1941, a
strange advertisement appeared

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in The New Yorker magazine.
It pictured a group of people

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sheltered from an air raid
playing dice under the headline

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Octum Warning Alert A, the copy
read.

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We just read the copy.
I’ll skip that part.

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Scattered throughout the issue
were six smaller tag ads

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referring back to the main copy
with the dice #12 and seven

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numbers on no known dice.
Later during the war, Navy

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transport pilot Joseph Bell was
flying a South Pacific route

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when one of his passengers, an
intelligence officer, told him

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that many in intelligence
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warning.
He had been assigned to

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investigate the matter, but
every lead had led to a dead

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end.
The ads copy had been presented

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in person at the magazine’s
offices, and the fee paid with

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cash.
End Quote.

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And I think that’s what prompts
Snopes to write their article,

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because the Snopes article was
published also in 2016, just

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like his book.
And I think I’ve talked about

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this Snopes article a lot, but
it is one of the most

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frustrating articles on the
Internet.

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Really.
You don’t think so?

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You read how it ends, right?
I read it really fast so.

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OK, well, let me, I’ll just go
through.

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Sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Sorry.
Issues with it.

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For one thing, they don’t show
the main ad in the article,

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which is.
Yeah, that was weird.

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I think this all is a lot
weirder if you look at both of

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the ads and not just the one
with the dice in it that says

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opportune.
Also, I don’t know how

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advertised work back then, but
six ads for a dice game and one

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magazine?
That seems kind of excessive,

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right?
Oh just wait, just wait that is

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excessive.
I agree.

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Also, I already said this but we
weren’t at war when this ad

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happened so I don’t know what
the inspiration would have been.

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I mean, I get that we were
talking about it, but weird.

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Yeah, it’s a big leap.
Yeah, Also, everything in the

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Snopes article and pretty much
anyone who’s ever looked into

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this frames it as, oh, we think
maybe this was Japan planning

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codes in The New Yorker magazine
to let their agents in the

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United States know this was
going to happen.

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What they’re ignoring is the
other possibility, which is that

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this was U.S. military
intelligence that planted these

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ads.
Oh, and I think why U.S.

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intelligence would do this is a
way easier question to answer

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than why Japan would do it.
Because at this point in

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history, again, country highly
divided over whether America

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should stay out of World War 2
or not.

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Isolationist verse, let’s fight,
especially within the

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government.
That was like the Republican

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versus Democrat debate of the
day.

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And if you don’t believe that,
there is a document out there

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called the McCollum Memo.
It’s from prior to World War 2,

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and it lays out eight steps that
the United States should follow

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if they want Japan to attack
them so we can get into the war.

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This is a this is an actual
government document.

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This has been verified as real.
We’ll link to it in the show

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notes, but this is the opening
paragraph of it.

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It is not believed that in the
present state of political

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opinion the United States
government is capable of

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declaring war against Japan
without more adieu, and it is

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barely possible that vigorous
action on our part might lead

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the Japanese to modify their
attitude.

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Therefore, the following course
of action is suggested, and Tom

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actually already mentioned one
of these.

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But these are the steps he says
we should follow.

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Make an arrangement with Britain
for the use of British bases in

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the Pacific, particularly
Singapore.

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Make an arrangement with Holland
for the use of base facilities

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and acquisition of supplies in
the Dutch E Indies.

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Give all possible aid to the
Chinese government.

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Send a division of long range
heavy cruisers to the Orient,

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Philippines or Singapore.
Send two divisions of submarines

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to the Orient.
Keep the main strength of the US

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fleet now in the Pacific in the
vicinity of the Hawaiian

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Islands.
Insist that the Dutch refused to

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grant Japanese demands for undue
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particularly oil.
Completely embargo all U.S.

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trade with Japan in
collaboration with a similar

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embargo imposed at the British
Empire.

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And then there’s a final
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If by these means Japan could be
led to commit an overt act of

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war, so much the better.
At all events, we must be fully

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prepared to accept the threat of
war.

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The military wanted Japan to
attack us.

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We wanted to get into that war.
That’s the military’s words.

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That’s not a doctored document.
That’s not.

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Russia didn’t fucking plant
that.

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All right, I got to stop you
there, Adam, because one in the

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interwar, that does not sound
like something America would do.

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I don’t know about you.
Yeah, I also I know we would

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never lie to get into a war.
Definitely not.

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Yeah, I still think the Gulf of
Tonkin happened exactly as U.S.

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government said.
I’m sure Iraq had weapons of

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mass destruction, right?
And what’s interesting is FDR

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did every one of those things on
that list, and sure enough,

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Japan attacked.
US.

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I mean, it’s also a checklist of
how to choke Japan out of the

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war.
Yeah, but it also ends with if

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they attack us.
That’s great.

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All the better, yeah.
What that reminds me of is the

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Project for a New American
Century, which was document that

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was written I think in 98 or 99.
And it’s like Dick Cheney,

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Donald Rumsfeld, all of the
fucking Republican war Hawks who

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destroyed the Middle East in the
2000s and they won.

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Lay out all these countries that
we’re going to need to have

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conflicts with if we want to
keep being the best.

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We went to war with damn near
every one of them.

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I think China is the last one
left.

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And also it ends the same way,
except I think they worded it

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like, oh if we had another Pearl
Harbor, this would all be much

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easier to fall off.
And then 9/11 happened.

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Sure.
I guess the big question I’m

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going to keep coming back to is
why bother with the ads?

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They didn’t do that for any of
those other operations.

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Like, why bother with wouldn’t
you just if this was a military

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operation, they have ways of
speaking to everybody they need

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to speak to without having to
put out magazine ads.

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They do, but also I don’t think
this is a thing you would put in

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an official document and just
send it out.

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I mean, they’ve, they sent
official memos about the bomb.

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About.
About the about the, about the

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bomb, about the Manhattan
Project, they just said Trent,

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they just dressed it up in all
sorts of coded language and

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stuff, but.
That was also a thing we knew we

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were going to go public with,
like there was no way to bomb

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and not be public about it.
Right.

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The end goal is yeah.
If there was an official

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document where they were like,
you know what, we’re going to

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let like 2000 people die at
Pearl Harbor so we can get into

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World War 2, the public would
burn the fucking White House

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Down.
I would believe more that those

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official communications existed
but were subsequently destroyed.

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After Pearl Harbor was, if we’re
following this conspiracy theory

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and and that they did all these
things to go Japan into making

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an act of war.
They did not necessarily know it

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was going to be what they did.
And after Pearl Harbor became

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the day that would live in
infamy, I could see them

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destroying all of those
communications.

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It still doesn’t make sense to
me why you do a magazine.

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I mean, I don’t know why you
would do a magazine ad.

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Either so they all have to buy
The New Yorker.

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They all you know.
I mean, they didn’t have to buy

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The New Yorker, they just had to
take out ads.

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They.
Just had to read it right, yeah.

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Yeah, this one is weird to me
because it sounds like something

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the government would do.
But like, my question is like,

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how many really, really
important people died on Pearl

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Harbor?
Because like maybe this was just

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like a thing for specific people
that were trained in cracking

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the code already.
It was more about taking out the

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Pacific Fleet, as I if I
remembering correctly.

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So there wasn’t like any
specific individual targets.

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It was just.
No, I mean like maybe, maybe the

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maybe the code was for certain.
Maybe if America knew it was

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coming, they just wanted certain
people to not be there.

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Yeah.
I mean, that would make the most

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sense that they were tipping.
I mean, if this is related to

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Pearl Harbor, someone’s being
tipped off.

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Yeah, because it’s not like
everybody knows how to crack the

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code in the Navy.
And what’s interesting, Speaking

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of codes, one of the allegations
when it comes to Pearl Harbor is

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that we cracked Japan’s codes
way before Pearl Harbor.

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And if that’s the case, we
probably did know they were

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going to do it.
Yeah, I think there is

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documentation about that, about
how they were aware of something

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but just didn’t follow it or
didn’t take it seriously or

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something like that.
And again, that doesn’t sound

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like the United States at all.
Yeah, I was about to say,

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America’s also super arrogant,
so I could see them knowing

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something and they’re like, man,
nobody, go try us.

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Oh, but I mean, if what you
know, for Adams, the memo that

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Adam has, they might have just
been like, yeah, we know they’re

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going to do and that that’s what
we want.

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Then it opened and it was like,
well, we didn’t know they were

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going to do that.
Yeah, that’s also possible is

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that they thought this was going
to maybe be lesser of an attack

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than it was.
Well, maybe one boat like the

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Spanish American War or what was
that?

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Was that right?
Oh yeah, that was the Spanish

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American War.
That is, one of the things that

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really set the Office of Naval
Intelligence into being an

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actual intelligence agency was
the sinking of the USS Maine.

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That’s yeah, I couldn’t remember
the name of the boat.

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Yeah, that precipitated the
Spanish American War.

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So I feel like if nothing else,
this is important context to

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include when talking about these
ads for this dice game, that

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there is evidence out there that
elements within the US military

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wanted to enter World War 2 and
they thought a way to do it was

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to have Japan attack us if we
didn’t know this was happening.

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The coincidences here are just
immeasurable.

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I say this on damn near every
episode.

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True crime.
One thing you’ll hear all the

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time from the fucking cops on
true crime shows or fans of true

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crime shows.
No such thing as a coincidence

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with conspiracy theories.
Everything’s a coincidence.

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I don’t get that.
They’re both logical fallacies,

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right?
Yeah.

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There’s no such thing as
coincidence.

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It’s like, well, yeah, there is.
Did you explain what the code

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is?
Oh, that.

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Yeah, we did that One Zeiss is
12 and one Zeiss is 7.

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OK, but like, I’m looking at the
ad.

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How would you necessarily know
that 12 seven was the date

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’cause there’s also 12 five?
It could have been.

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One thing people have suggested
is that the five was meant to be

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when it was going to start, but
it actually started at 7:00.

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Almost 8.
I think it’s possible it could

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be a range of dates.
They could be saying 12/5 to

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12/7 is when it’s going to
happen and that’s when you need

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to be ready for it.
But there’s also a lot more to

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that code.
I went down a real goddamn

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rabbit hole today.
Yeah, I read through the notes.

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Yeah, that was some real
conspiracy shit, even by it

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sounded like the Black
Israelites.

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Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, I understand.

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No, it makes sense.
Another thing I take issue with

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in this Snopes article is the
thing about how Craig Nelson

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said the game didn’t exist, but
Snopes is like, yeah, it did.

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Here’s a link to it.
There’s one copy of this game in

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existence.
There was one copy sold on Etsy

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in 2012.
That to me, doesn’t prove that

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this game actually existed.
That could be a fucking

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prototype.
Why aren’t they more out there?

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But then what were they
comparing it to in the one

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source where it said the 12 and
the seven aren’t numbers on any

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known dice?
Dice only have six sides.

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I think they’re just going off
like regular dice only have 6

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numbers.
Right.

439
00:24:14,480 –> 00:24:18,320
And the ad is where the the 12
and the seven are.

440
00:24:18,520 –> 00:24:20,800
So that’s what we’re referencing
when they, well, when they say.

441
00:24:20,800 –> 00:24:22,320
No, I know, I know.
That’s like what?

442
00:24:22,480 –> 00:24:25,360
It’s what making the numbers 12,
seven stand out because they’re

443
00:24:25,360 –> 00:24:28,000
not on the actual dice That
that’s what I’m saying.

444
00:24:28,000 –> 00:24:30,960
It’s like, how are they making
that conclusion then if there

445
00:24:30,960 –> 00:24:33,360
weren’t available copies of the
game for them to look?

446
00:24:33,360 –> 00:24:35,120
At no, they’re saying.
Dice.

447
00:24:35,560 –> 00:24:37,880
Oh, and just in general, yeah.
Oh, OK.

448
00:24:38,120 –> 00:24:40,960
Yeah, it’s like you said,
Dungeons and Dragons wasn’t

449
00:24:41,000 –> 00:24:43,560
invented, so they’re like why
the hell these weird dice have

450
00:24:43,920 –> 00:24:45,960
twelves and sevens instead of
one through 6?

451
00:24:46,320 –> 00:24:49,320
Yeah, it was that weird game.
I mean, like the rules are, I

452
00:24:49,480 –> 00:24:51,680
don’t know, they’re using
special dice for the game.

453
00:24:52,000 –> 00:24:53,760
The rules in this game are nuts,
yeah.

454
00:24:54,520 –> 00:24:57,840
I tried to read this man.
Yeah, I feel like you’d have to

455
00:24:57,840 –> 00:25:00,000
be a World War 2 code breaker to
play this.

456
00:25:00,000 –> 00:25:01,560
Yeah, you.
Got to be a win.

457
00:25:02,680 –> 00:25:05,800
If it’s a 12, yeah, pick it up.
If it’s not, you throw it three

458
00:25:05,800 –> 00:25:06,840
times.
Like what?

459
00:25:06,920 –> 00:25:08,040
That’s.
The.

460
00:25:08,600 –> 00:25:14,400
Most complicated thing, but let
me just shoot some dice, man.

461
00:25:15,120 –> 00:25:17,480
What we?
Doing And I just want to say

462
00:25:18,440 –> 00:25:21,720
sometimes stereotypes are true
because I 100% thought this was

463
00:25:21,720 –> 00:25:24,360
going to be an episode about
some dude shooting dice and it

464
00:25:24,360 –> 00:25:26,280
somehow had to do with Pearl
Harbor.

465
00:25:26,280 –> 00:25:28,360
And I was like, oh, that’s my
speed, let’s go.

466
00:25:28,880 –> 00:25:30,600
Yeah, that’d be great.
Just some St.

467
00:25:30,600 –> 00:25:34,440
Hustler playing craps.
Somehow predicts Pearl Harbor.

468
00:25:34,600 –> 00:25:35,920
That’s the movie I want to
write.

469
00:25:36,160 –> 00:25:38,880
Right, like somebody overslept
and forgot to warm the people

470
00:25:38,880 –> 00:25:40,960
because he got he lost his
fucking shoes.

471
00:25:42,480 –> 00:25:46,320
What I find interesting about
the controversy over whether the

472
00:25:46,320 –> 00:25:51,040
game existed or not is they
point to this one listing that

473
00:25:51,040 –> 00:25:53,920
shows a copy of the game.
The argument is also that the

474
00:25:53,920 –> 00:25:55,640
publishing company never
existed.

475
00:25:55,760 –> 00:25:58,720
And did Snopes look into that at
all?

476
00:25:58,840 –> 00:26:04,760
Because they don’t mention that
part and I can’t find shit about

477
00:26:04,920 –> 00:26:08,200
Monarch publishing from the
1950s.

478
00:26:08,400 –> 00:26:11,200
And before people listening at
home say well you wouldn’t be

479
00:26:11,200 –> 00:26:14,800
able to find information about
any rando publishing company

480
00:26:14,800 –> 00:26:16,760
from the 1950s.
Bullshit.

481
00:26:16,760 –> 00:26:20,760
I found a Wikipedia page for
Monarch Books which was a

482
00:26:20,760 –> 00:26:25,240
publisher in the 50s and 60s.
If this is the same company,

483
00:26:25,360 –> 00:26:28,800
they certainly are not proud of
having made Deadly Double.

484
00:26:28,800 –> 00:26:32,400
Because it’s not listed among
their shit.

485
00:26:32,480 –> 00:26:35,080
They just do like Pulp Fiction
novels.

486
00:26:35,280 –> 00:26:38,080
OK also my ADHD brain just
kicked in.

487
00:26:38,080 –> 00:26:40,320
It probably doesn’t have
anything to do with it but you

488
00:26:40,320 –> 00:26:44,600
know Godzilla the movie has to
do with like it was the original

489
00:26:44,600 –> 00:26:49,040
was like a metaphor for World
War 2 and Monarch is like the

490
00:26:49,040 –> 00:26:51,360
company in Godzilla.
Some shit like that, right?

491
00:26:51,720 –> 00:26:54,160
Oh, is it?
Yeah, I just watched it.

492
00:26:54,160 –> 00:26:56,920
It’s a show called, I think the
show is Monarch.

493
00:26:57,120 –> 00:26:59,120
I don’t know if that’s any
original 1, but yeah, like the

494
00:26:59,120 –> 00:27:03,080
company in the Godzilla universe
that like hunts the monsters and

495
00:27:03,080 –> 00:27:04,840
and covers it all up.
It’s called Monarch.

496
00:27:05,000 –> 00:27:08,720
That sounds like something that
bumbling intelligence agent

497
00:27:08,720 –> 00:27:12,040
would fucking pull when trying
to pull off an operation like

498
00:27:12,040 –> 00:27:13,240
this.
What do we call it?

499
00:27:13,240 –> 00:27:16,920
Monarch like in Godzilla.
And also this board game, I’m

500
00:27:16,920 –> 00:27:19,680
sorry, it shows about people
that like collect all type of

501
00:27:19,680 –> 00:27:22,480
weird stuff like them Garfield
people and board game people.

502
00:27:22,760 –> 00:27:25,120
You said let me none of them
board game people that just have

503
00:27:25,120 –> 00:27:28,160
like boxes full of board games
have this in their collection.

504
00:27:28,320 –> 00:27:31,200
Nobody has to copy this game.
It’s just one in existence.

505
00:27:31,480 –> 00:27:36,080
And the other thing is when this
issue of The New Yorker came out

506
00:27:36,200 –> 00:27:40,000
and then Pearl Harbor happened,
the public absolutely picked up

507
00:27:40,000 –> 00:27:42,200
on this.
The New Yorker was getting

508
00:27:42,280 –> 00:27:44,600
fucking calls and letters from
people.

509
00:27:44,720 –> 00:27:46,960
The FBI allegedly looked into
it.

510
00:27:47,160 –> 00:27:51,840
So would it be outside the realm
of possibility that once that

511
00:27:51,840 –> 00:27:55,680
public furor started, whoever
would be behind this, you could

512
00:27:55,680 –> 00:27:58,360
just produce a copy or two of
the fucking game?

513
00:27:58,480 –> 00:28:01,720
The government would have had
the resources to pull that part

514
00:28:01,840 –> 00:28:06,320
off also.
But there is an article out

515
00:28:06,320 –> 00:28:09,160
there that we’ll link to in the
show notes from someone else who

516
00:28:09,160 –> 00:28:12,400
looked into this way back in the
day, and that guy went to

517
00:28:12,600 –> 00:28:18,160
several stores in the New York
area looking for this game and

518
00:28:18,160 –> 00:28:21,320
could not find it anywhere.
So I don’t know.

519
00:28:21,360 –> 00:28:24,680
I don’t know if I’m sold by the
one copy being out there.

520
00:28:24,720 –> 00:28:27,320
I do think there’d at least be
2-3.

521
00:28:27,320 –> 00:28:29,760
I don’t know.
It’s crazy, but it’s the

522
00:28:29,760 –> 00:28:33,840
publisher part is weirder to me.
Like companies leave at least

523
00:28:33,840 –> 00:28:37,080
some kind of trail.
Also, I don’t know if I’m

524
00:28:37,080 –> 00:28:40,400
jumping ahead the address of the
publishing that’s I forgot what

525
00:28:40,400 –> 00:28:42,280
building, he said.
It’s like rented out of some

526
00:28:42,280 –> 00:28:44,920
expensive building also.
Yeah, I mean, the Japanese

527
00:28:44,920 –> 00:28:47,440
consulate was in that building
at the same time.

528
00:28:47,600 –> 00:28:49,760
Monarch Publishing would have
been there also.

529
00:28:50,080 –> 00:28:52,560
But yeah, we’ll, we’ll get to
that in a second.

530
00:28:52,680 –> 00:28:56,040
But this is where I put my
goddamn conspiracy hat on for

531
00:28:56,040 –> 00:28:58,960
this next part.
There’s a quote from the creator

532
00:28:58,960 –> 00:29:02,240
of this game in this Snopes
article, and they don’t

533
00:29:02,240 –> 00:29:05,760
elaborate on this part, but this
is what he says in other

534
00:29:05,760 –> 00:29:09,600
acrostic arrangements of the
visible numerals, together with

535
00:29:09,640 –> 00:29:13,760
incongruous calculations based
on the number of advertisements

536
00:29:14,120 –> 00:29:16,560
and the page numbers in the
magazine.

537
00:29:16,720 –> 00:29:21,400
An additional code message to
alleged access agents was read

538
00:29:21,400 –> 00:29:24,200
into the copy.
And he’s commenting on how crazy

539
00:29:24,360 –> 00:29:28,400
all this talk is.
I shit you not, before I reread

540
00:29:28,400 –> 00:29:32,960
the Snopes article, I had the
thought that what if the page

541
00:29:32,960 –> 00:29:36,320
numbers all these ads are on add
up to something?

542
00:29:36,440 –> 00:29:40,680
And one of the weird things I
found when I looked up The New

543
00:29:40,680 –> 00:29:44,040
Yorker issue, because The New
Yorker has archives of all their

544
00:29:44,040 –> 00:29:46,240
issues online.
I had to subscribe to The New

545
00:29:46,240 –> 00:29:48,240
Yorker.
Where’s my goddamn metal?

546
00:29:48,360 –> 00:29:51,880
But they have archives of all of
their issues out there.

547
00:29:51,880 –> 00:29:56,640
And this magazine is out there.
Every source you read about this

548
00:29:56,640 –> 00:30:00,920
says there were six, or
sometimes they say half a dozen

549
00:30:01,080 –> 00:30:04,680
tag ads, which are the smaller
ads referencing the bigger ad.

550
00:30:04,840 –> 00:30:09,720
There’s actually 15.
And I don’t know why that part

551
00:30:09,720 –> 00:30:12,560
keeps getting fucked up.
But I will tell you this.

552
00:30:12,720 –> 00:30:16,120
When I was going through
flipping through this New Yorker

553
00:30:16,120 –> 00:30:20,200
magazine and I saw that there
were so many of these ads, more

554
00:30:20,200 –> 00:30:24,280
than any of these sources say
there’s 15 of the smaller ads.

555
00:30:24,480 –> 00:30:27,840
I was like why?
And then I shit you not.

556
00:30:28,000 –> 00:30:31,360
My thought was what if I add up
the page numbers that each of

557
00:30:31,360 –> 00:30:33,800
these are on?
Is it going to add up to

558
00:30:33,800 –> 00:30:35,640
anything?
So these page numbers

559
00:30:35,800 –> 00:30:49,840
323544486264668284868990,
949699100, What the fuck?

560
00:30:49,840 –> 00:30:53,320
Why are there that many ads for
this thing in New Yorker

561
00:30:53,320 –> 00:30:55,000
magazine?
There’s nothing else in the

562
00:30:55,000 –> 00:30:58,000
magazine like this.
There’s nothing else where it’s

563
00:30:58,000 –> 00:31:00,600
like like you’re driving down
the road and you keep seeing

564
00:31:00,600 –> 00:31:02,560
billboards that are like, you’re
not going to believe this

565
00:31:02,560 –> 00:31:05,640
billboard that’s coming up.
Like there’s none of that for

566
00:31:05,640 –> 00:31:08,360
any of these other ads.
If you add those page numbers

567
00:31:08,360 –> 00:31:14,120
together, it adds up to 1171,
which that number means nothing

568
00:31:14,280 –> 00:31:16,760
for Pearl Harbor.
But that first dice where

569
00:31:16,760 –> 00:31:21,000
everything is doubled.
There’s an XX, there’s 12,

570
00:31:21,200 –> 00:31:24,480
there’s 24.
My thought was what if you count

571
00:31:24,760 –> 00:31:28,680
the page that the main ad is on
twice?

572
00:31:28,880 –> 00:31:32,800
If you do that, those page
numbers add up to 1257.

573
00:31:32,920 –> 00:31:34,560
That’s weird.
That’s weird.

574
00:31:34,800 –> 00:31:36,720
Those are the same goddamn
numbers.

575
00:31:36,920 –> 00:31:39,760
Like I know that could.
That could obviously be a

576
00:31:39,760 –> 00:31:42,000
coincidence.
What is 1257?

577
00:31:42,160 –> 00:31:44,080
Those are the numbers on the.
Dice on the dice.

578
00:31:44,080 –> 00:31:45,080
Yeah.
Oh oh.

579
00:31:45,080 –> 00:31:46,000
Yeah, yeah.
The.

580
00:31:46,000 –> 00:31:49,920
Page numbers.
If you take page 86, if you add

581
00:31:50,000 –> 00:31:53,720
86 in twice, if you double it,
you get the same numbers that

582
00:31:53,720 –> 00:31:58,480
are on that dice, which I think
that’s what that guy’s talking

583
00:31:58,480 –> 00:32:01,720
about when he says people,
because again, his quote was

584
00:32:01,760 –> 00:32:05,960
incongruous calculations based
on the number of advertisements

585
00:32:06,040 –> 00:32:08,040
and the page numbers in the
magazine.

586
00:32:08,160 –> 00:32:11,480
So other people have the same
thought that I had, I think.

587
00:32:11,720 –> 00:32:14,240
Either that or they were really
trying to sell this goddamn

588
00:32:14,240 –> 00:32:17,560
weird ass dice game with 15 ads
in The New Yorker.

589
00:32:17,560 –> 00:32:18,960
That couldn’t have been cheap.
Yeah.

590
00:32:19,240 –> 00:32:22,080
What did that cost?
Where did he get the money?

591
00:32:22,280 –> 00:32:25,840
Like $5.
Back in 1941, though, that was

592
00:32:25,840 –> 00:32:29,600
like.
Half 1000 in our money.

593
00:32:31,120 –> 00:32:34,640
I’m sorry that’s that’s just
crazy. 15 ads for this game does

594
00:32:34,640 –> 00:32:37,160
not make sense to me in one
magazine.

595
00:32:37,360 –> 00:32:40,560
Yeah, someone definitely didn’t
want people to miss what was on

596
00:32:40,560 –> 00:32:43,680
page 86.
That is for God damn sure.

597
00:32:43,920 –> 00:32:46,080
So, yeah, I don’t know, maybe
that maybe that’s all a

598
00:32:46,080 –> 00:32:49,160
coincidence that the page
numbers add up to the same

599
00:32:49,160 –> 00:32:50,840
thing.
That’s on the dice.

600
00:32:51,000 –> 00:32:55,240
But the most infuriating thing
about the Snopes article is the

601
00:32:55,240 –> 00:32:58,800
very last sentence.
One final note to prove, if

602
00:32:58,800 –> 00:33:02,800
nothing else, that real life
abhors a tidy ending.

603
00:33:03,000 –> 00:33:06,680
According to his widow, deadly
double inventor Rodger Paul

604
00:33:06,680 –> 00:33:10,640
Craig went on to serve in the
Office of Strategic Services,

605
00:33:11,120 –> 00:33:15,280
the military progenitor of the
CIA during World War 2.

606
00:33:15,440 –> 00:33:19,400
End Quote.
How the fuck do you end the

607
00:33:19,400 –> 00:33:21,560
article with that?
And then you’re just like all

608
00:33:21,560 –> 00:33:23,320
right, bye.
No other questions.

609
00:33:23,360 –> 00:33:25,520
There’s nothing else to see
here.

610
00:33:25,640 –> 00:33:28,720
There should be so many follow
up questions with the main one

611
00:33:28,720 –> 00:33:32,840
being what did he do before he
joined OSS?

612
00:33:33,000 –> 00:33:35,640
Was he in Naval intelligence?
Was he in the military?

613
00:33:35,760 –> 00:33:40,520
What did he do to merit joining
the ranks of OSS?

614
00:33:40,520 –> 00:33:43,760
Was it this?
What was going on in this guy’s

615
00:33:43,760 –> 00:33:47,680
life before that?
And it’s really frustrating that

616
00:33:47,680 –> 00:33:50,800
Snopes doesn’t address that at
all.

617
00:33:50,920 –> 00:33:53,320
None of the other fucking
articles you’ll read about it

618
00:33:53,520 –> 00:33:55,840
address that part in any serious
way.

619
00:33:56,040 –> 00:33:59,400
So since no one wanted to
fucking bother, I did some

620
00:33:59,720 –> 00:34:05,440
investigating into Rodger Paul
Craig, who is the guy who is the

621
00:34:05,440 –> 00:34:07,960
creator of this game.
New York Times interviewed him

622
00:34:08,120 –> 00:34:11,520
at one point.
The first thing I found on a

623
00:34:11,719 –> 00:34:15,159
website called, I think it’s
called Threefold or Fold 3,

624
00:34:15,159 –> 00:34:18,600
something like that, but it’s an
offshoot of ancestry.com.

625
00:34:18,800 –> 00:34:25,800
I found a military registration
card from 1940 for a guy named

626
00:34:25,800 –> 00:34:30,400
Rodger Hall Craig, and one of
the interesting details on it,

627
00:34:30,480 –> 00:34:34,960
his wife is listed as Missus
Vivian Gurren Craig.

628
00:34:35,120 –> 00:34:38,639
If you read the Snopes article,
they talk about his wife.

629
00:34:38,840 –> 00:34:44,400
She’s a big part of this because
in 1967, a military historian

630
00:34:44,520 –> 00:34:49,360
also looked into this and he
wrote this whole article in the

631
00:34:49,360 –> 00:34:52,639
New York Times.
And then the next day, this

632
00:34:52,639 –> 00:34:56,320
woman claiming to be Rodger Paul
Craig’s widow basically

633
00:34:56,320 –> 00:34:59,120
contacted the New York Times and
was like, no, that’s not what

634
00:34:59,280 –> 00:35:04,240
that game was about.
And her name in that article is

635
00:35:04,240 –> 00:35:08,040
E Shaw Cole.
Meanwhile, the wife on his

636
00:35:08,040 –> 00:35:10,560
registration, Vivian Gur and
Craig.

637
00:35:10,720 –> 00:35:15,200
So clearly not the same people.
Except I found a gravestone

638
00:35:15,200 –> 00:35:20,560
listing for a Rodger Paul Craig
on a aptly named website

639
00:35:20,560 –> 00:35:23,880
calledfindagrave.com.
If you look at the family

640
00:35:23,880 –> 00:35:29,480
members section there is one
name listed spouse Vivian Anne

641
00:35:29,600 –> 00:35:32,440
Gerwin Pohl.
So this is the same guy.

642
00:35:32,600 –> 00:35:36,120
On his military registration it
says he was born in 1910.

643
00:35:36,440 –> 00:35:39,000
On this website says he was born
in 1910.

644
00:35:39,160 –> 00:35:43,440
He died during World War 2 which
that is also left out of the

645
00:35:43,440 –> 00:35:46,440
Snopes article.
I found the original article

646
00:35:46,440 –> 00:35:49,240
where they talked to his widow
and she says it.

647
00:35:49,360 –> 00:35:51,400
She says he died during World
War 2.

648
00:35:51,800 –> 00:35:53,440
Snopes doesn’t tell you that
part.

649
00:35:53,560 –> 00:35:55,840
So clearly this is the same
person.

650
00:35:55,960 –> 00:36:00,720
And if that military
registration card is from 1940,

651
00:36:00,840 –> 00:36:02,560
this is the thick of World War
2.

652
00:36:02,640 –> 00:36:06,440
That means he was in the
military when he did this.

653
00:36:06,600 –> 00:36:10,560
So he was what, going back and
forth from serving in the

654
00:36:10,560 –> 00:36:14,800
military and going to his very
prestigious office location that

655
00:36:14,800 –> 00:36:18,280
we’ll talk about in a second,
and working on this game at the

656
00:36:18,280 –> 00:36:21,200
same time.
And during all of that, despite

657
00:36:21,200 –> 00:36:24,240
being so distracted trying to
get this game off the ground, he

658
00:36:24,240 –> 00:36:28,400
excels enough that he gets to
join the OSS when that fucking

659
00:36:28,400 –> 00:36:29,880
launches.
That’s not weird.

660
00:36:30,080 –> 00:36:32,240
It’s not weird that he was in
the military when he did this

661
00:36:32,240 –> 00:36:35,280
and that never comes up.
Yeah, you have to be an employee

662
00:36:35,280 –> 00:36:38,560
of the month to have time to
rank up and make a goddamn weird

663
00:36:38,560 –> 00:36:41,320
ass dice game, all while
enlisted.

664
00:36:41,480 –> 00:36:45,320
And I do think it’s weird that
they don’t mention that part and

665
00:36:45,320 –> 00:36:48,080
that they just leave it at, oh,
yeah, he joined the OSS at one

666
00:36:48,080 –> 00:36:50,320
point.
It’s like, man, what was he

667
00:36:50,320 –> 00:36:53,040
doing before that?
Because he’s clearly in the

668
00:36:53,040 –> 00:36:56,600
military when this happened.
Where I found all this is not

669
00:36:56,760 –> 00:36:59,280
even remotely related to the
conspiracy.

670
00:36:59,280 –> 00:37:01,320
This is just public records
shit.

671
00:37:01,600 –> 00:37:05,800
So this isn’t a believer making
all this shit up like it’s out

672
00:37:05,800 –> 00:37:07,680
there.
This is the same guy that

673
00:37:08,120 –> 00:37:11,680
military registration card
belongs to the person who was

674
00:37:11,680 –> 00:37:16,240
credited with placing these ads
in The New Yorker, who never

675
00:37:16,240 –> 00:37:19,480
mentions he’s in the military
when interviewed about this,

676
00:37:19,760 –> 00:37:22,120
which I don’t know.
I, I think that’s, I think

677
00:37:22,120 –> 00:37:22,920
that’s.
Weird.

678
00:37:23,200 –> 00:37:26,160
Seems weird, yeah.
Like especially if he was in

679
00:37:26,160 –> 00:37:29,680
naval intelligence, because
leading up the World War 2, they

680
00:37:29,680 –> 00:37:32,560
were kind of all we had.
We didn’t have the CIA yet.

681
00:37:32,560 –> 00:37:36,120
We didn’t have OSS yet.
We just had naval intelligence.

682
00:37:36,120 –> 00:37:40,000
They were the ones who were
boots on the ground doing all

683
00:37:40,000 –> 00:37:42,240
the intelligence work for World
War 2.

684
00:37:42,400 –> 00:37:46,040
And like, if this guy was naval
intelligence, these fucking ads

685
00:37:46,040 –> 00:37:49,760
are about Pearl Harbor.
I don’t fucking care what anyone

686
00:37:49,760 –> 00:37:51,880
says.
These ads are goddamn about

687
00:37:51,880 –> 00:37:53,440
Pearl Harbor.
If this guy was naval

688
00:37:53,440 –> 00:37:57,200
intelligence, we know he was the
military, so it’s not that big

689
00:37:57,200 –> 00:37:59,080
of a leap.
And we know he joined an

690
00:37:59,240 –> 00:38:01,640
intelligence outfit at some
point.

691
00:38:01,800 –> 00:38:04,160
Was the intelligence when these
ads got placed?

692
00:38:04,480 –> 00:38:05,600
I don’t know.
I don’t know.

693
00:38:05,720 –> 00:38:10,280
But I do think it’s unfortunate
that Snopes never asked any

694
00:38:10,280 –> 00:38:13,520
follow up questions after.
Oh, oh, he was CIA.

695
00:38:13,600 –> 00:38:14,800
OK.
Well, that’s interesting.

696
00:38:16,840 –> 00:38:19,000
That is a hell of a detail to
just leave at the end.

697
00:38:20,200 –> 00:38:22,920
Yeah, the Snopes people like,
oh, CIA, I ain’t getting my door

698
00:38:22,920 –> 00:38:24,160
kicked in.
I think that’s the end of the

699
00:38:24,160 –> 00:38:27,240
article.
Yeah, probably.

700
00:38:27,600 –> 00:38:31,080
You included his registration
card in here, but I don’t see

701
00:38:31,080 –> 00:38:35,080
the date of the registration.
Oh, you would have to be on the

702
00:38:35,080 –> 00:38:38,800
website.
It has like additional details

703
00:38:38,800 –> 00:38:41,280
and it says date filed.
I believe it was October 1st,

704
00:38:41,280 –> 00:38:43,640
1940.
But I can gotcha.

705
00:38:43,800 –> 00:38:46,400
Like I I’ll put the link in
here, but you have to pay.

706
00:38:46,560 –> 00:38:49,000
I think it’s a free trial.
I’m going to cancel that shit,

707
00:38:49,280 –> 00:38:52,240
but also maybe not, because it
turned out to be pretty goddamn

708
00:38:52,240 –> 00:38:52,960
handy.
Right.

709
00:38:52,960 –> 00:38:58,320
Yeah, how many more CIA
conspiracies will you uncover

710
00:38:58,320 –> 00:39:03,000
with this subscription?
One last really odd detail, John

711
00:39:03,000 –> 00:39:06,880
already touched on this a little
bit, also on that military

712
00:39:07,000 –> 00:39:11,120
registration right at the bottom
place of employment or business,

713
00:39:11,320 –> 00:39:15,040
500 5th Ave.
New York, NY.

714
00:39:15,120 –> 00:39:20,360
If you look at the deadly double
instructions, that’s also the

715
00:39:20,360 –> 00:39:24,320
address on the bottom of the
instructions page.

716
00:39:24,520 –> 00:39:30,480
So at the point this guy is
joining the military, he’s also

717
00:39:30,640 –> 00:39:36,920
got an office at 500 5th Ave.
which is a highly prestigious

718
00:39:36,920 –> 00:39:39,480
building.
It was constructed around the

719
00:39:39,480 –> 00:39:42,240
same time as the Empire State
Building.

720
00:39:42,400 –> 00:39:47,280
To this day it houses all sorts
of huge companies, corporations.

721
00:39:47,560 –> 00:39:52,520
The Japanese consulate was in
that building until 1939 until

722
00:39:52,520 –> 00:39:55,360
right before he joins the
military.

723
00:39:55,480 –> 00:39:57,960
The Austrian consulate was in
that building.

724
00:39:58,120 –> 00:40:02,000
And also this random fuck face
trying to make a board game.

725
00:40:02,320 –> 00:40:05,120
Well, his company, I mean the
company he worked for.

726
00:40:05,240 –> 00:40:07,560
Did he?
Work for the company or was he

727
00:40:07,880 –> 00:40:09,720
publishing?
It’s not.

728
00:40:10,200 –> 00:40:11,920
It’s not clear.
Yeah.

729
00:40:12,360 –> 00:40:15,520
I could see him being in the
military, but like you said,

730
00:40:15,520 –> 00:40:18,560
we’re not at war yet, so I could
see him being in the military

731
00:40:18,560 –> 00:40:23,040
and still doing his day job for
this board game company.

732
00:40:23,200 –> 00:40:26,840
Maybe because would you?
I don’t know because I don’t

733
00:40:26,840 –> 00:40:28,680
know.
He’s got to keep that day job

734
00:40:28,680 –> 00:40:32,560
up, but also excel enough at
military intelligence that he

735
00:40:32,560 –> 00:40:34,960
gets to join OSS when that
launched.

736
00:40:35,160 –> 00:40:38,480
Yeah, the people in the Navy
have time to work whole last day

737
00:40:38,480 –> 00:40:40,440
job.
I don’t know 5th Ave.

738
00:40:40,840 –> 00:40:44,120
No, no, not if not, if he’s like
fully, fully enlisted.

739
00:40:44,320 –> 00:40:47,640
I’m I’m thinking like reserves.
He’s probably just bad with

740
00:40:47,640 –> 00:40:49,240
money.
That’s why he had to start a

741
00:40:49,240 –> 00:40:53,240
fucking company, because he.
That’s why he invented a dice

742
00:40:53,280 –> 00:40:56,120
game.
Of course he’s bad with money.

743
00:40:57,800 –> 00:41:00,760
Yeah.
And yeah, I found, I found that

744
00:41:00,760 –> 00:41:04,920
part weird also, but that like,
I know that’s the right guy now

745
00:41:04,920 –> 00:41:06,440
that.
Yeah, it seems pretty.

746
00:41:06,440 –> 00:41:09,080
It seems pretty conclusive.
Yeah, Like that’s his.

747
00:41:09,080 –> 00:41:13,400
That’s his wife for sure.
Yeah, And I don’t know, the fact

748
00:41:13,400 –> 00:41:18,040
that everyone who debunks this
just completely glosses over his

749
00:41:18,040 –> 00:41:23,240
military history is weird to me
because for one thing, Snopes, I

750
00:41:23,240 –> 00:41:26,120
don’t know that the government
doesn’t sometimes reach out to

751
00:41:26,120 –> 00:41:30,480
Snopes and be like, hey, we need
you to write something that is

752
00:41:30,680 –> 00:41:33,920
the CI as whole fucking jam.
Yeah, that’s what they do.

753
00:41:34,040 –> 00:41:36,600
Yeah, and they still do it to
this day.

754
00:41:36,720 –> 00:41:41,320
Yeah, Yeah, that’s true.
They also have another article

755
00:41:41,320 –> 00:41:43,040
out there that I super duper
hate.

756
00:41:43,040 –> 00:41:49,960
Me and John did an episode about
the time HBO did this mock trial

757
00:41:50,120 –> 00:41:53,200
of James Earl Ray.
I’ve never heard of that.

758
00:41:53,200 –> 00:41:55,120
It’s.
Something super weird.

759
00:41:55,400 –> 00:41:57,320
That sounds like a horrible
idea, yeah.

760
00:41:58,200 –> 00:42:00,000
Oh, it was.
I mean, it’s pretty fucking

761
00:42:00,000 –> 00:42:01,280
compelling.
He was found out.

762
00:42:02,000 –> 00:42:06,960
But what’s interesting about
that is there’s also a Snopes

763
00:42:06,960 –> 00:42:12,240
article about the time MLK’s
family sued the American

764
00:42:12,240 –> 00:42:15,840
government because MLK’s family
absolutely does not think James

765
00:42:15,840 –> 00:42:18,280
Earl Ray killed Martin Luther
King Junior.

766
00:42:18,400 –> 00:42:22,200
They have been adamant about
that for a long time.

767
00:42:22,280 –> 00:42:26,720
Coretta Scott King, I think like
weeks after at best was like,

768
00:42:26,880 –> 00:42:29,360
the FBI killed my husband,
obviously.

769
00:42:29,560 –> 00:42:31,480
I mean, we know they were trying
to.

770
00:42:31,800 –> 00:42:34,920
They sure were.
Didn’t Nixon pitch like covering

771
00:42:34,920 –> 00:42:38,600
his steering wheel with LSD or
was was that him specifically?

772
00:42:38,600 –> 00:42:42,200
Or is that just a general thing
that that Nixon pitched to

773
00:42:42,200 –> 00:42:44,080
people he wanted them to
assassinate?

774
00:42:44,840 –> 00:42:47,360
God, that’s smart.
Yeah, you’ve never read that.

775
00:42:47,400 –> 00:42:48,480
Oh, man.
Yeah, I don’t.

776
00:42:48,760 –> 00:42:50,400
Think so I.
Can’t remember where I read

777
00:42:50,400 –> 00:42:54,080
that, but I read that like that
was like an idea that Nixon kept

778
00:42:54,080 –> 00:42:56,760
pushing on his intelligence
people.

779
00:42:56,880 –> 00:42:59,200
That’s wild.
Someone probably did it to him.

780
00:43:00,320 –> 00:43:01,280
I was great.
Right.

781
00:43:01,280 –> 00:43:03,080
That’s not like a good time,
honestly, Yeah.

782
00:43:03,800 –> 00:43:05,760
Yeah.
A drive home was great.

783
00:43:07,160 –> 00:43:11,040
So this other Snopes article,
it’s about ML KS family.

784
00:43:11,040 –> 00:43:14,320
When they filed this civil
lawsuit against the government,

785
00:43:14,440 –> 00:43:16,840
they won that lawsuit.
Well, shit.

786
00:43:18,320 –> 00:43:22,320
And The thing is, what they
concluded in that lawsuit was

787
00:43:22,320 –> 00:43:27,200
that Lloyd Jowers, which is a
figure in the Martin Luther King

788
00:43:27,200 –> 00:43:31,040
Junior assassination, he was a
he owned a diner nearby, and

789
00:43:31,040 –> 00:43:34,200
he’s been mentioned in
connection to it a bunch.

790
00:43:34,360 –> 00:43:39,040
What this lawsuit concluded was
that Lloyd Jowers, in

791
00:43:39,040 –> 00:43:43,600
conjunction with departments of
the government, conspired to

792
00:43:43,600 –> 00:43:45,520
assassinate Martin Luther King
Junior.

793
00:43:45,800 –> 00:43:47,280
Wow.
And they won.

794
00:43:48,040 –> 00:43:52,840
And they won.
And this Snopes article goes so

795
00:43:52,840 –> 00:43:56,640
hard in the paint trying to
downplay that.

796
00:43:56,800 –> 00:43:59,120
One of the things they point to
is, well, it was a civil trial,

797
00:43:59,120 –> 00:44:01,280
so the government didn’t have to
try that hard.

798
00:44:01,280 –> 00:44:03,760
And it’s like, OK.
Sure, but.

799
00:44:04,240 –> 00:44:06,320
They didn’t like, they didn’t
win like.

800
00:44:06,400 –> 00:44:10,280
It’s it’s weird that they didn’t
try to win because that’s you

801
00:44:10,280 –> 00:44:15,720
don’t want that loss.
Right in what Snopes is

802
00:44:15,720 –> 00:44:18,040
essentially saying is, oh, the
government let them win.

803
00:44:18,120 –> 00:44:19,760
We let you win.
Like that kind?

804
00:44:21,480 –> 00:44:24,360
No idea.
And the other thing Snopes

805
00:44:24,360 –> 00:44:28,680
points to, as if it’s damning in
some way, is that the jury

806
00:44:28,680 –> 00:44:33,600
awarded ML KS family $100.
That’s because that’s what they

807
00:44:33,680 –> 00:44:35,640
requested.
That’s about to say it’s what

808
00:44:35,640 –> 00:44:37,840
they asked for, right?
Yeah, they wanted to make it

809
00:44:37,840 –> 00:44:40,840
clear they weren’t doing it for.
Yeah, it’s the point.

810
00:44:40,840 –> 00:44:42,880
Yeah, it’s, it’s, yeah, I get
it.

811
00:44:42,880 –> 00:44:45,480
Totally get it.
Yeah, and I think they might

812
00:44:45,480 –> 00:44:46,960
have.
That might have been a misstep.

813
00:44:47,200 –> 00:44:48,880
Yeah, they definitely should
have done it for money.

814
00:44:49,440 –> 00:44:51,800
Yeah, sorry.
Which is, I mean, maybe maybe

815
00:44:51,800 –> 00:44:55,040
that’s why the if if the
government didn’t try that hard,

816
00:44:55,040 –> 00:44:56,200
maybe that would be why.
It’s OK.

817
00:44:56,200 –> 00:44:58,960
It’s 100 bucks, but we care.
But again, you don’t want to

818
00:44:58,960 –> 00:45:01,600
lose this case, you know?
Yeah, right.

819
00:45:01,760 –> 00:45:05,760
The govern the US government
famously not petty to take any

820
00:45:05,800 –> 00:45:08,960
lawsuit seriously.
Yeah, man, that’s true.

821
00:45:09,280 –> 00:45:11,640
Yeah.
What am I talking about?

822
00:45:12,440 –> 00:45:15,360
Government would burn my house
down for $100.

823
00:45:15,960 –> 00:45:18,520
We’ll send Charles, intern,
nephew to go be the lawyer.

824
00:45:18,520 –> 00:45:19,880
We don’t care if we lose this
one.

825
00:45:21,080 –> 00:45:24,440
And yeah, this Snopes article
feels the same to me.

826
00:45:24,440 –> 00:45:29,960
It feels like the point is to
super duper downplay all of

827
00:45:29,960 –> 00:45:32,720
this.
But we just, with conspiracy

828
00:45:32,720 –> 00:45:35,840
theories, we’re really critical
of the people who pushed the

829
00:45:35,840 –> 00:45:39,200
theories, but any asshole can
debunk it and we’ll be like,

830
00:45:39,200 –> 00:45:41,960
see, debunked.
That’s what Snopes is doing.

831
00:45:41,960 –> 00:45:46,280
They’re not really debunking
that this was some sort of

832
00:45:46,320 –> 00:45:50,640
intelligence operation.
They’re just taking people’s

833
00:45:50,640 –> 00:45:53,600
word for it.
The guy who made this game is at

834
00:45:53,600 –> 00:45:55,680
no point going to be like, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah.

835
00:45:55,840 –> 00:45:59,280
I fucking, I did it.
I, I knew Pearl Harbor was going

836
00:45:59,280 –> 00:46:00,960
to happen.
I’m not going to get in trouble,

837
00:46:00,960 –> 00:46:02,280
right?
I’ll be fine.

838
00:46:02,440 –> 00:46:04,400
Same with the wife.
She’s not going to be like,

839
00:46:04,520 –> 00:46:07,120
yeah, yeah.
Like I didn’t look into the wife

840
00:46:07,120 –> 00:46:09,080
enough.
I wouldn’t be surprised if she

841
00:46:09,080 –> 00:46:11,600
is military intelligence of some
sort.

842
00:46:11,720 –> 00:46:16,160
Also, never know.
So it’s my responsibility to

843
00:46:16,160 –> 00:46:18,240
make wild accusations.
Yeah.

844
00:46:20,680 –> 00:46:25,080
Yeah, it’s like, I, I, yeah, I
agree that there’s a lot of

845
00:46:25,200 –> 00:46:28,680
things about this that are
really weird and not

846
00:46:28,800 –> 00:46:33,840
satisfactorily explained, but I
still can’t get past the main

847
00:46:34,040 –> 00:46:39,040
hurdle of why the hell would you
make a public message about

848
00:46:39,040 –> 00:46:40,960
this?
Like, cuz, like, look, we’re

849
00:46:40,960 –> 00:46:43,520
still talking about it 80 years
later.

850
00:46:43,520 –> 00:46:46,120
Like, you fucked up.
Yeah, but.

851
00:46:46,520 –> 00:46:49,600
It’s like Adam say all the time
talking about it.

852
00:46:49,600 –> 00:46:51,120
What’s that going to do?
It’s not like it’s going to

853
00:46:51,120 –> 00:46:53,680
change anything.
The government find out they

854
00:46:53,680 –> 00:46:55,880
admit this stuff all the time
and it don’t really.

855
00:46:56,400 –> 00:46:58,520
It’s people just so busy.
They’re like, Oh well.

856
00:46:58,760 –> 00:47:00,120
Then why keep it a secret at
all?

857
00:47:00,120 –> 00:47:03,160
Like I don’t I don’t know why
you would put it in the

858
00:47:03,160 –> 00:47:06,560
newspaper, why you would put it
in an ad and not just be like

859
00:47:06,920 –> 00:47:10,240
show, you know, have like how
they’d normally do spy shit.

860
00:47:10,240 –> 00:47:12,400
Like they’d have people meet you
in person.

861
00:47:12,400 –> 00:47:15,720
They’d give you the information
and then you would destroy it or

862
00:47:15,720 –> 00:47:17,800
you know, or would be coded in
numbers.

863
00:47:17,800 –> 00:47:19,960
You would decode it, read the
message and then destroy it.

864
00:47:20,120 –> 00:47:24,280
I just don’t, I don’t know why
you we wouldn’t use the spy

865
00:47:24,280 –> 00:47:27,920
craft or I guess the the spy
craft that we already had.

866
00:47:27,920 –> 00:47:32,520
It was burgeoning at this point,
but still rather than a a public

867
00:47:32,520 –> 00:47:35,040
message.
How do you know this isn’t part

868
00:47:35,040 –> 00:47:37,840
of the spy craft that we had?
I don’t.

869
00:47:38,280 –> 00:47:40,640
I don’t.
Because here’s the thing you

870
00:47:40,640 –> 00:47:41,840
said.
Well, they fucked up.

871
00:47:42,120 –> 00:47:43,640
It could be that.
Yeah, they.

872
00:47:43,880 –> 00:47:44,560
Fucked.
Up.

873
00:47:45,080 –> 00:47:48,320
Yes, it could be.
A lot of times people working in

874
00:47:48,320 –> 00:47:50,680
positions like this, I think
they’re.

875
00:47:50,840 –> 00:47:53,000
Like really sharp.
You know that they’ll never

876
00:47:53,000 –> 00:47:56,160
figure this one.
Like 2 weeks later people are

877
00:47:56,160 –> 00:47:58,720
writing The New Yorker.
Like what the fuck is this?

878
00:47:58,960 –> 00:48:01,720
Yeah.
And another example of that kind

879
00:48:01,720 –> 00:48:06,080
of on the flip side though, when
I did the ace of base thing when

880
00:48:06,080 –> 00:48:07,880
I was at Cracked.
Yeah, I remember that.

881
00:48:08,080 –> 00:48:13,880
What got me on the trail of that
is I was watching a show about

882
00:48:13,880 –> 00:48:17,880
Nazi mega structures and they
mentioned that this one U boat

883
00:48:17,880 –> 00:48:22,200
base because all of the best
pilots worked out of there was

884
00:48:22,200 –> 00:48:25,200
called the Base of Aces.
And I was like what?

885
00:48:25,320 –> 00:48:28,840
What if Ace of Base’s name is a
Nazi reference because they Ace

886
00:48:28,840 –> 00:48:31,800
of Base very famously not
spelled the way you’d think.

887
00:48:31,840 –> 00:48:37,680
It’s not BASSBASE which why?
And then when I started fucking

888
00:48:37,680 –> 00:48:41,800
looking into it, that guy is an
obvious Nazi and I think he

889
00:48:41,800 –> 00:48:45,600
thought he could slip a Nazi
reference in his band name and

890
00:48:45,600 –> 00:48:49,920
people wouldn’t notice.
And people didn’t notice until

891
00:48:50,160 –> 00:48:53,440
someone noticed.
Yeah, hiding a dog whistle that.

892
00:48:53,440 –> 00:48:55,480
I mean, all those little trolls
love to do that.

893
00:48:55,600 –> 00:48:59,000
That’s a little bit different to
me than putting that we’re

894
00:48:59,000 –> 00:49:03,160
gonna, we’re gonna keep silent
about an attack on America in a

895
00:49:03,160 –> 00:49:06,560
public message.
But I get what you’re saying

896
00:49:06,560 –> 00:49:08,480
about the arrogance of it, for
sure.

897
00:49:08,680 –> 00:49:10,320
I get what you’re saying about
the arrogance of it.

898
00:49:10,480 –> 00:49:13,320
What’s that one you always say?
They only got exposed because

899
00:49:13,320 –> 00:49:15,360
they forgot to shred the box or
something like that.

900
00:49:15,720 –> 00:49:16,640
Oh, MK.
Ultra MK.

901
00:49:16,640 –> 00:49:18,640
Ultra, that’s yeah, MK Ultra,
that’s what it is.

902
00:49:18,640 –> 00:49:21,600
They they had, they had records
of that, but only reason we

903
00:49:21,600 –> 00:49:23,720
found out because somebody
forgot to shred the box.

904
00:49:23,720 –> 00:49:25,440
Yeah, it was like misfiled or
something.

905
00:49:25,440 –> 00:49:27,960
It was just sitting there.
Yeah, it was put in the wrong.

906
00:49:27,960 –> 00:49:30,600
I think it was put in like in
with accounting files or

907
00:49:30,600 –> 00:49:33,160
something.
Yeah, not with the shred.

908
00:49:33,160 –> 00:49:35,320
This, if Watergate ever happens,
files.

909
00:49:35,720 –> 00:49:39,480
Fair enough.
Which interesting thing about

910
00:49:39,480 –> 00:49:41,840
the Office of Naval
Intelligence, They also broke

911
00:49:41,840 –> 00:49:45,960
into someone’s office because
the president thought Democrats

912
00:49:45,960 –> 00:49:48,440
had damaging information on him.
It’s just that they did it in

913
00:49:48,440 –> 00:49:50,920
1930.
This country has been the same

914
00:49:50,920 –> 00:49:54,520
thing forever.
Oh yeah, it’s all the same guys

915
00:49:55,080 –> 00:49:59,240
over and over again.
No, I mean, yeah, you got a

916
00:49:59,240 –> 00:50:01,440
point.
I have to concede that point.

917
00:50:01,440 –> 00:50:04,040
This is weird as shit.
We’re obviously not going to

918
00:50:04,040 –> 00:50:07,320
prove either way.
No, I did.

919
00:50:07,360 –> 00:50:11,680
I did want to say that I did see
other versions of the Deadly

920
00:50:11,680 –> 00:50:14,440
Double Dice game, like in
different boxes like in a rummy

921
00:50:14,440 –> 00:50:18,240
box, but no other ones of that
same version.

922
00:50:18,480 –> 00:50:22,360
I saw that one too, but if you
scroll through the pictures at

923
00:50:22,360 –> 00:50:24,840
the end, there’s the same
display box.

924
00:50:24,840 –> 00:50:25,880
Because I thought the same
thing.

925
00:50:25,880 –> 00:50:27,920
I was like, why?
Why are these two different?

926
00:50:29,160 –> 00:50:31,640
Yeah, the same packaging is
there, just the way they

927
00:50:31,640 –> 00:50:34,480
presented it looks way different
Because the Etsy listing

928
00:50:34,480 –> 00:50:36,680
doesn’t.
I think everything is still in

929
00:50:36,680 –> 00:50:39,560
the box mostly or the box isn’t
open or something.

930
00:50:39,960 –> 00:50:43,840
I found it on this What It’s
Worth website or so anyway.

931
00:50:43,920 –> 00:50:45,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I saw that one.

932
00:50:45,880 –> 00:50:50,000
Also in it, if you click through
the pictures, the packaging is

933
00:50:50,000 –> 00:50:50,400
there.
Gotcha.

934
00:50:51,400 –> 00:50:54,080
We’re thinking of the same one.
But yeah, I think we’re never

935
00:50:54,080 –> 00:50:57,400
going to prove this is true.
Here’s the thing before we

936
00:50:57,400 –> 00:51:03,000
finish, I think the other reason
you put this in a magazine is if

937
00:51:03,000 –> 00:51:06,240
anyone asks any questions, all
the government has to do is say

938
00:51:06,240 –> 00:51:09,120
Nope, it’s a coincidence.
I got one more question though

939
00:51:09,120 –> 00:51:11,920
that’s kind of been bugging me.
Who were they talking to with

940
00:51:11,920 –> 00:51:16,480
this message?
Like who involved would need

941
00:51:16,600 –> 00:51:20,760
such a cryptic message about I
don’t know it just.

942
00:51:20,960 –> 00:51:24,080
And how would they know it’s
Hawaii unless they already knew,

943
00:51:24,440 –> 00:51:26,600
Umm.
I mean, you gotta if the thing

944
00:51:26,600 –> 00:51:29,320
about having cracked Japan’s
codes is true.

945
00:51:29,640 –> 00:51:30,440
Yeah, yeah.
That’s true.

946
00:51:30,440 –> 00:51:31,920
That’s true.
That’s why Hawaii.

947
00:51:32,160 –> 00:51:34,920
Yes, I just don’t know.
Like, I don’t know, it just

948
00:51:35,320 –> 00:51:40,360
it’s, it’s undeniably weird The
yeah, that’s, I don’t know, it’s

949
00:51:40,360 –> 00:51:43,480
just I still can’t like the
conspiracy itself.

950
00:51:43,520 –> 00:51:46,280
I’m buying.
But like the actual thing, like

951
00:51:46,280 –> 00:51:49,040
the ad, it still doesn’t make
sense to me.

952
00:51:49,040 –> 00:51:53,440
It’s like I still can’t quite
get over that hurdle of like,

953
00:51:53,640 –> 00:51:56,640
why would they do it this way?
And who would they be talking to

954
00:51:56,640 –> 00:51:58,640
that they would need to reach in
this manner?

955
00:51:58,920 –> 00:52:04,520
Well, this kind of just occurred
to me, but what if this guy was

956
00:52:04,600 –> 00:52:08,280
actually in some capacity
working for Japan?

957
00:52:08,400 –> 00:52:12,080
Because the argument everyone
makes is that this was meant to

958
00:52:12,080 –> 00:52:14,080
alert Japanese.
Japanese.

959
00:52:14,320 –> 00:52:18,200
In the United States, remember I
I just mentioned this guy’s

960
00:52:18,200 –> 00:52:24,200
office, 500 5th Ave. right up to
the point he leaves to join the

961
00:52:24,200 –> 00:52:27,760
military.
Japanese consulate was in that

962
00:52:27,760 –> 00:52:31,680
same building.
They left in 1939.

963
00:52:31,880 –> 00:52:35,960
So he did list his work address
as the building where the

964
00:52:35,960 –> 00:52:40,680
Japanese consulate was, which
would also be a huge misstep if

965
00:52:40,680 –> 00:52:42,560
you’re trying to be a double
agent, but.

966
00:52:42,920 –> 00:52:45,160
Yeah.
I mean there was no Internet

967
00:52:45,160 –> 00:52:47,960
they could cross reference it
with back then, so who knows.

968
00:52:47,960 –> 00:52:51,760
Yeah, that’s true.
We have a tiny index card with

969
00:52:51,760 –> 00:52:53,800
Just write, not even a
photograph on it with Just

970
00:52:53,800 –> 00:52:58,280
Writing that we had to use to
confirm that this this this dude

971
00:52:58,280 –> 00:53:01,520
was in fact the same dude.
Yeah, so yeah, I don’t know.

972
00:53:01,600 –> 00:53:03,040
This shit’s weird.
It is.

973
00:53:03,080 –> 00:53:06,040
It’s weird, man.
It is I, I cannot deny it’s

974
00:53:06,040 –> 00:53:09,160
weird as hell.
Yeah, and the government pretty

975
00:53:09,160 –> 00:53:12,040
shady, so it’s not far fetched
for me.

976
00:53:12,040 –> 00:53:14,520
They’ve done a lot of crazy
stuff.

977
00:53:14,520 –> 00:53:16,800
They were behind Malcolm X
killing, they said.

978
00:53:16,800 –> 00:53:20,040
I think it’s a lawsuit going on
right now that they were behind

979
00:53:20,040 –> 00:53:22,640
that.
From the family and Malcolm XS

980
00:53:22,640 –> 00:53:26,360
family is asking for money which
fuck yeah I like that.

981
00:53:26,600 –> 00:53:30,000
They basically introduced crack
into America.

982
00:53:30,000 –> 00:53:31,920
So I don’t know.
I mean, I did I.

983
00:53:31,960 –> 00:53:34,960
Definitely did that.
Yeah, and the the government

984
00:53:34,960 –> 00:53:37,640
absolutely killed Malcolm X.
There are so many.

985
00:53:37,640 –> 00:53:40,520
We did 2 episodes about that.
For one thing, two of the people

986
00:53:40,520 –> 00:53:43,640
who were convicted have since
been released.

987
00:53:43,680 –> 00:53:48,400
And the third guy, like he had
the gun when the crowd tackled

988
00:53:48,400 –> 00:53:51,840
him, so we know he did it.
But the FBI themselves have

989
00:53:51,840 –> 00:53:56,240
admitted they had 10 FBI agents
in the room when Malcolm X was

990
00:53:56,240 –> 00:53:58,160
killed.
Damn, seems like a lot.

991
00:53:58,320 –> 00:54:03,320
Yeah, Elijah Muhammad’s right
hand man in the Nation of Islam

992
00:54:03,320 –> 00:54:08,760
was an FBI informant.
And also the building it

993
00:54:08,760 –> 00:54:14,720
happened at regularly hosted
black activist events, so you

994
00:54:14,720 –> 00:54:18,240
won’t be surprised to know it
was fucking filthy with police

995
00:54:18,360 –> 00:54:21,360
all the time.
But on that day, there were only

996
00:54:21,360 –> 00:54:23,880
two police on the roof.
There were no patrols.

997
00:54:23,880 –> 00:54:27,200
There were no cops inside.
There were no cops to stop

998
00:54:27,200 –> 00:54:29,360
anything from happening that one
day.

999
00:54:29,520 –> 00:54:30,920
Very weird.
Yeah, the government.

1000
00:54:30,920 –> 00:54:31,840
Shady.
I wouldn’t.

1001
00:54:31,840 –> 00:54:34,280
Shady.
Yeah, I do think we knew Pearl

1002
00:54:34,280 –> 00:54:37,400
Harbor was happening.
And yeah, do.

1003
00:54:37,640 –> 00:54:40,200
You have any conspiracies?
Any What’s your big conspiracies

1004
00:54:40,200 –> 00:54:43,240
you believe in, Tom?
Man, let me think.

1005
00:54:43,680 –> 00:54:46,960
Man, I used to really, really
buy into aliens.

1006
00:54:46,960 –> 00:54:49,320
I don’t know if I still do.
I haven’t thought about it in a

1007
00:54:49,320 –> 00:54:49,800
while.
What?

1008
00:54:50,520 –> 00:54:53,120
Do you mean I, I do?
You don’t believe that they

1009
00:54:53,120 –> 00:54:54,600
visit the earth you don’t
believe in.

1010
00:54:54,800 –> 00:54:56,640
Like Roswell and stuff like
that.

1011
00:54:56,640 –> 00:55:00,040
Like that specifically like I, I
believe aliens exist.

1012
00:55:00,040 –> 00:55:02,680
It’s like statistically
improbable that they don’t.

1013
00:55:02,920 –> 00:55:06,680
Yeah, but like I used to like re
like The X-Files and like I was

1014
00:55:06,680 –> 00:55:10,880
really in on that kind of stuff.
I’m trying to think I.

1015
00:55:11,920 –> 00:55:13,640
One thing I always tell I don’t.
Really.

1016
00:55:13,640 –> 00:55:15,680
Have any?
When it comes to conspiracy,

1017
00:55:15,680 –> 00:55:17,280
sure, you believe some
conspiracies.

1018
00:55:17,360 –> 00:55:19,720
I do, yeah.
My yeah, I definitely.

1019
00:55:19,880 –> 00:55:23,600
Do do you believe Iraq had
weapons of mass destruction?

1020
00:55:23,880 –> 00:55:25,200
No.
That’s a conspiracy.

1021
00:55:25,280 –> 00:55:27,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It’s that it’s that fucking

1022
00:55:27,120 –> 00:55:28,440
easy.
Like, yeah.

1023
00:55:28,640 –> 00:55:33,520
Saudi Arabia’s involvement in
9/11 I think is a really easy

1024
00:55:33,520 –> 00:55:38,040
one also because for for one
thing, for years and years and

1025
00:55:38,040 –> 00:55:43,080
years after 911, there were 25
or so pages of the report that

1026
00:55:43,080 –> 00:55:46,840
were still classified.
And the rumor like there’s AUSA

1027
00:55:46,840 –> 00:55:50,720
today article old as shit.
That’s like those pages are

1028
00:55:50,720 –> 00:55:53,800
about Saudi Arabia being
involved in 9/11, and they

1029
00:55:53,800 –> 00:55:56,440
finally declassified them.
And guess what?

1030
00:55:56,560 –> 00:56:00,800
They are about a Saudi
intelligence agent moving 9/11

1031
00:56:00,800 –> 00:56:04,880
hijackers into his home when
they moved to California.

1032
00:56:05,240 –> 00:56:07,800
Yeah, so.
Yeah, I guess the the Martin

1033
00:56:07,800 –> 00:56:11,840
Luther King 10, that’s, that’s
one that I definitely believe.

1034
00:56:12,000 –> 00:56:14,680
Yeah, I mean, I believe a lot.
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1035
00:56:14,680 –> 00:56:16,800
I’m just, I was just trying to
think of like one that’s like

1036
00:56:16,880 –> 00:56:18,400
controversial.
I was trying to think of like a

1037
00:56:18,400 –> 00:56:20,400
controversial 1.
Like not all, not everyone

1038
00:56:20,400 –> 00:56:23,080
agrees with.
As a skeptic, I’ll tell you a

1039
00:56:23,080 –> 00:56:27,400
conspiracy you should look into
is the RFK assassination.

1040
00:56:27,560 –> 00:56:31,160
Oh yeah.
There’s one detail to that that

1041
00:56:31,360 –> 00:56:34,720
I think does not get talked
about enough, which is that

1042
00:56:34,880 –> 00:56:39,080
every witness says Sir Han, Sir
Han was in front of Bobby

1043
00:56:39,080 –> 00:56:42,200
Kennedy like 3 or 4 feet firing
those shots.

1044
00:56:42,520 –> 00:56:45,560
The shot that killed Kennedy,
point blank range behind his

1045
00:56:45,560 –> 00:56:47,120
ear.
Who fired that shot?

1046
00:56:47,360 –> 00:56:49,560
That’s weird.
Yeah, it’s super weird.

1047
00:56:50,080 –> 00:56:51,920
That’s the brain worms got dead,
right?

1048
00:56:52,040 –> 00:56:56,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That’s also where you execute

1049
00:56:56,840 –> 00:56:59,560
somebody.
Yeah, and the security guard who

1050
00:56:59,560 –> 00:57:03,600
was walking him through the
kitchen was a hardcore right

1051
00:57:03,600 –> 00:57:07,080
winger.
And LAPD, which the LAPD is

1052
00:57:07,120 –> 00:57:09,920
essentially military.
They’re bad times.

1053
00:57:10,120 –> 00:57:16,240
Anyway, we’re rambling now, so
hey, people at home, decide for

1054
00:57:16,240 –> 00:57:17,840
yourself.
I don’t normally say that with

1055
00:57:17,840 –> 00:57:20,600
conspiracies.
Normally I’m like, listen.

1056
00:57:20,800 –> 00:57:23,360
Yeah, you’re pretty normally
like locked into A to a

1057
00:57:23,640 –> 00:57:26,280
solution.
Yeah, Norm and and I don’t

1058
00:57:26,280 –> 00:57:29,880
believe every conspiracy, but I
normally like to end it with,

1059
00:57:30,040 –> 00:57:34,680
yes, Sandy Hook happened or yes,
COVID is real.

1060
00:57:34,840 –> 00:57:38,320
But in this case, I don’t know,
use use your own judgement.

1061
00:57:38,320 –> 00:57:41,960
I feel like I’ve added some
additional information to this.

1062
00:57:42,200 –> 00:57:44,360
Here’s my big one.
I think Godzilla’s real.

1063
00:57:46,560 –> 00:57:50,800
What?
That would be amazing.

1064
00:57:51,320 –> 00:57:54,440
Damn, wouldn’t it?
Tom just pulls down a fucking

1065
00:57:54,600 –> 00:57:57,160
shade behind him that’s got the
whole conspiracy.

1066
00:57:57,160 –> 00:57:59,160
My whole like, yeah, my lion
ground.

1067
00:58:01,400 –> 00:58:05,360
I’ve got a slideshow prepared.
And it kind of goes with this.

1068
00:58:05,360 –> 00:58:09,600
I’ve just found out some this
that this I can tie in The

1069
00:58:09,600 –> 00:58:12,320
Simpsons to this somehow.
Do you all So when they dropped

1070
00:58:12,320 –> 00:58:15,480
the two atomic bombs in Japan,
do you all know that the know

1071
00:58:15,480 –> 00:58:18,240
the nicknames for those two?
Yeah, fat man and the little

1072
00:58:18,240 –> 00:58:20,160
boy.
Yeah, so I was on Reddit the

1073
00:58:20,160 –> 00:58:21,760
other day.
There was like, it’s read about

1074
00:58:21,760 –> 00:58:24,600
jokes that you missed that went
over your head.

1075
00:58:24,600 –> 00:58:27,040
And someone was talking about
the episode that takes place in

1076
00:58:27,040 –> 00:58:29,040
Japan, and Homer and Bart walk
off.

1077
00:58:29,440 –> 00:58:31,640
They’re like, oh, how much
trouble could a fat man and a

1078
00:58:31,640 –> 00:58:35,720
little boy cost?
Explained it to me because I

1079
00:58:35,720 –> 00:58:37,000
didn’t know it.
I was like, wow.

1080
00:58:37,120 –> 00:58:39,200
Because, you know, The Simpsons
writers are a bunch of nerds,

1081
00:58:39,200 –> 00:58:41,400
but you know, that was a deep
cut.

1082
00:58:42,440 –> 00:58:45,840
So I think that’s our episode.
We did it.

1083
00:58:45,960 –> 00:58:48,640
John, Tom, thank you both for
thank you.

1084
00:58:49,400 –> 00:58:51,400
Absolutely.
We’ve talked about a lot of

1085
00:58:51,400 –> 00:58:54,640
death and destruction today, so
this feels like the perfect time

1086
00:58:54,640 –> 00:58:57,800
to plug some shit.
I would like to mention that if

1087
00:58:57,800 –> 00:59:01,040
you want to keep getting bonus
episodes after the year is over,

1088
00:59:01,160 –> 00:59:06,080
you should head over to
patreon.com slash on Pops or you

1089
00:59:06,080 –> 00:59:10,120
don’t pod.supercast.com or with
Conspiracy Show.

1090
00:59:10,120 –> 00:59:13,680
You can also subscribe right
there on Spotify for bonus

1091
00:59:13,680 –> 00:59:17,680
episodes.
But on Patreon and probably on

1092
00:59:17,680 –> 00:59:20,120
Supercast.
I’m going to do like some some

1093
00:59:20,120 –> 00:59:23,040
holiday specials so it’ll be a
little cheaper.

1094
00:59:23,120 –> 00:59:24,600
I don’t know what those are
going to be yet.

1095
00:59:24,720 –> 00:59:28,920
I haven’t cracked Japan’s code.
They’re deciding for me like

1096
00:59:29,120 –> 00:59:31,720
subscribe to the.
Retire with my Enigma machine

1097
00:59:31,720 –> 00:59:34,720
and I’ll get back to you.
Subscribe to The New Yorker and

1098
00:59:34,720 –> 00:59:37,280
you will find out what those
specials are going to be.

1099
00:59:37,480 –> 00:59:40,600
So yeah, go do that.
Go go get more bonus episodes,

1100
00:59:40,880 –> 00:59:41,760
John.
What do you got to plug?

1101
00:59:42,280 –> 00:59:44,960
My YouTube channel is normal, I
mean as usual.

1102
00:59:44,960 –> 00:59:47,880
And also I have a Patreon.
I’m trying to get to 50,000 Subs

1103
00:59:47,880 –> 00:59:50,480
on YouTube and whatever you can
support on Patreon.

1104
00:59:50,480 –> 00:59:54,000
I just dropped a new video and
in December I’m working on one

1105
00:59:54,000 –> 00:59:57,880
about the most famous picture in
boxing that Sonny Liston versus

1106
00:59:57,880 –> 01:00:01,360
Ali having a way bigger story
than people realize with the

1107
01:00:01,360 –> 01:00:03,160
mafia.
Oh shit, it’s.

1108
01:00:03,400 –> 01:00:06,160
Arresting Tom, what do you got
to plug?

1109
01:00:07,720 –> 01:00:10,720
Gameplay
unemployedpatreon.com/gameplay

1110
01:00:10,720 –> 01:00:12,920
Unemployed.
That’s the podcast and streaming

1111
01:00:12,920 –> 01:00:17,640
network I run with David Bell,
our buddy from Cracked.

1112
01:00:17,640 –> 01:00:21,000
And we got Jeff May over there.
He does shows and stuff.

1113
01:00:21,000 –> 01:00:23,840
We got all sorts of fun stuff.
Movie nights on Fridays.

1114
01:00:23,840 –> 01:00:25,600
You can Commission your own
podcasts.

1115
01:00:25,880 –> 01:00:27,560
Yeah, Jeff, you know Jeff.
Jeff.

1116
01:00:27,760 –> 01:00:31,000
You’ve seen him around.
Doesn’t not ringing a bell.

1117
01:00:31,200 –> 01:00:34,480
So, yeah, check that out.
All right, if you’re a new

1118
01:00:34,480 –> 01:00:37,000
subscriber, we should say this.
If you’re a new subscriber,

1119
01:00:37,000 –> 01:00:40,400
don’t sign up for Patreon
through Apple, the Apple Store,

1120
01:00:40,400 –> 01:00:41,200
they’ve.
Taken a bigger.

1121
01:00:41,480 –> 01:00:44,560
Because they’ll take, they’ll
take a big cut, sign up through

1122
01:00:44,560 –> 01:00:47,040
the website.
If you’re already signed up, you

1123
01:00:47,040 –> 01:00:48,480
can still use the app on your
phone.

1124
01:00:48,480 –> 01:00:50,200
It’s not gonna charge any money.
But if you’re signing up for the

1125
01:00:50,200 –> 01:00:51,280
first time, do it on the
website.

1126
01:00:51,320 –> 01:00:54,720
Okay, that’s it.
Oh yeah, don’t sign up for mine

1127
01:00:54,720 –> 01:00:56,080
through Apple either.
I didn’t even.

1128
01:00:56,080 –> 01:00:57,840
Know you could do it and it
pissed me off because they know

1129
01:00:57,840 –> 01:01:00,000
people.
People want ease and want to do

1130
01:01:00,000 –> 01:01:01,320
it.
Most people to do it through the

1131
01:01:01,320 –> 01:01:02,560
app.
Those bastards.

1132
01:01:02,800 –> 01:01:05,480
Yeah, God damn it, Apple.
There’s a conspiracy theory, I

1133
01:01:05,480 –> 01:01:08,320
believe that’s.
That’s why they.

1134
01:01:08,440 –> 01:01:10,320
Break your fucking phones on
purpose.

1135
01:01:10,720 –> 01:01:13,040
I started telling people the
best option to support me is

1136
01:01:13,040 –> 01:01:16,680
just buy me a coffee if you like
my video because they take they

1137
01:01:16,680 –> 01:01:18,520
take the least amount.
You could do it directly through

1138
01:01:18,520 –> 01:01:20,760
the phone because Patreon is
crazy.

1139
01:01:20,760 –> 01:01:23,600
Super chats on YouTube take out
a yeah.

1140
01:01:23,800 –> 01:01:25,160
I had been thinking about
coffee.

1141
01:01:25,400 –> 01:01:29,960
My iPhone conspiracy is that
when that thing was invented, it

1142
01:01:29,960 –> 01:01:34,960
probably did all the shit they
do now, and Steve Jobs was just

1143
01:01:34,960 –> 01:01:38,040
like, all right, strip a bunch
of that shit away and we’re just

1144
01:01:38,040 –> 01:01:40,360
going to add it gradually over
the years.

1145
01:01:40,360 –> 01:01:43,520
No need to come out of the gates
doing everything.

1146
01:01:44,160 –> 01:01:46,560
We should do a bunch of mini fun
conspiracies that don’t really

1147
01:01:46,560 –> 01:01:49,880
have that much meat to them.
Like my Jay Leno is getting

1148
01:01:49,880 –> 01:01:54,360
fucked up by the mob conspiracy.
I can’t remember when you won’t

1149
01:01:54,360 –> 01:01:56,560
hear what I was talking about
that time or was that before?

1150
01:01:56,560 –> 01:01:57,480
You.
No, no, no, no, no.

1151
01:01:57,480 –> 01:01:59,240
I just love the sound of that.
Did you see?

1152
01:01:59,320 –> 01:02:01,920
Did you see him?
He claimed he fell down a 60

1153
01:02:01,920 –> 01:02:07,000
foot here, only one side of his
face.

1154
01:02:08,440 –> 01:02:09,120
We did come.
Oh.

1155
01:02:09,160 –> 01:02:11,600
Man, did he get Joe Pesci?
Did they put his head in the

1156
01:02:11,600 –> 01:02:14,600
vice jam Shit.
And he what?

1157
01:02:14,600 –> 01:02:16,240
What was?
That cheap ass hotel he.

1158
01:02:16,240 –> 01:02:19,440
Talking about he stayed at a
Comfort Inn or something.

1159
01:02:21,240 –> 01:02:22,640
Yeah, what?
The fuck with?

1160
01:02:22,640 –> 01:02:24,920
Jalen, I’ll be staying at a.
Hampton Inn.

1161
01:02:24,920 –> 01:02:26,880
I don’t know.
Anyway, did he stiff a

1162
01:02:26,880 –> 01:02:28,680
prostitute and get?
Thrown down a hill.

1163
01:02:28,680 –> 01:02:30,600
What are you doing?
Hampton Inn.

1164
01:02:31,480 –> 01:02:34,000
Jesus.
Yeah, we did cover the Stevie

1165
01:02:34,000 –> 01:02:36,280
Wonder Can see conspiracy.
We’ve done some.

1166
01:02:36,320 –> 01:02:38,120
I remember that one.
Yeah.

1167
01:02:38,120 –> 01:02:40,600
That was fun.
Yeah, like a like a goofy low

1168
01:02:40,600 –> 01:02:42,880
stakes one.
Yeah, we’ll figure it out.

1169
01:02:43,760 –> 01:02:45,520
But.
Hey, until then, that’s our

1170
01:02:45,520 –> 01:02:47,600
episode.
John, say goodbye.

1171
01:02:47,760 –> 01:02:49,960
See you all next month.
Wait, goodbye.

1172
01:02:49,960 –> 01:02:51,560
I don’t.
Know I never know what to say,

1173
01:02:52,640 –> 01:02:53,600
Tom.
Say goodbye.

1174
01:02:53,800 –> 01:02:55,480
Goodbye.
Goodbye everybody, we love you.